From mmpanderson at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 00:37:07 2007 From: mmpanderson at gmail.com (Danny Ross) Date: Mon Oct 1 00:37:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cannon IR7095 Finisher Message-ID: <6f85218f0709302137t4fd6a8bboc7d6be19ddd7af56@mail.gmail.com> We installed this unit 2 months ago and we are having problems with the stacking unit. I was running today and the stack (70 sets of 48 pages) was very uneven and even started to fall before it was finished. The offset is so wide that the stack starts drooping on the sides. The tech said this was normal but I can't believe that this is normal. Has anyone else experienced this? -- Danny Ross Minuteman Press Anderson, SC 864-224-9115 dross@minutemanpress.com From jdaghir at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 09:24:43 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Mon Oct 1 09:26:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Halloween bags In-Reply-To: <31E8C780-722E-4C14-A2F1-FB516C41E5BD@interiorgraphics.com> References: <31E8C780-722E-4C14-A2F1-FB516C41E5BD@interiorgraphics.com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620710010624m4d89b399jc878cb75f4393723@mail.gmail.com> I don't know if they will have pre-printed bags and their prices may be out of the budget for a daycare since they target the trade show and conference market, but we've bought printed bags from BagMakers: www.bagmakersinc.com Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com On 9/28/07, Michelle at Interior Graphics wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > It's just around the corner.... one of my favorite holidays! Does > anyone have a good supplier of pre-printed trick or treat bags? I > have a daycare looking for some. Thanks! > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Michelle Maynor > "Your Personal Printer" > Interior Graphics & Printing > 770 8th Avenue > Fairbanks, AK 99701 > 907.456.4982 phone > 907.452.6992 fax > > "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the > most." - John Ruskin > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- From stalprint at charter.net Mon Oct 1 09:33:06 2007 From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings) Date: Mon Oct 1 09:34:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] tabs In-Reply-To: <022401c80210$e1f56ff0$1401a8c0@JOY2> References: <022401c80210$e1f56ff0$1401a8c0@JOY2> Message-ID: <4700F712.30906@charter.net> http://www.intfiling.com/ Joy Downing wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does anyone on the list do tabs in house? Or do you have a good > vendor? My tab vendor just went up 30% from last year. I have a couple > of clients that do 10,000 at a time. But most are small runs. > Thanks for any help. > Joy Downing > The Liberty Group > Bowling Green, KY > 270-782-7829 > jdowning@libertygrouponline.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 1709 Walt Arney Road Lenoir, NC 28645 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net From jdaghir at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 09:48:55 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Mon Oct 1 09:50:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scratch Off Cards In-Reply-To: <017301c801f5$f8a86560$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <001e01c801ef$19425c10$7400a8c0@Tom> <017301c801f5$f8a86560$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <83d5b9620710010648g1c5baa4al5717c24259b5dacf@mail.gmail.com> Whittier Mailing Products has the scratch-offs: www.traytag.com as does Scratch Off Systems: www.scratchoff.com -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com On 9/28/07, Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Check with companies that sell mailing tabs/seals. They now have self > adhesive scratch off tabs(if you have a tabber, they can be applied with > that). Otherwise, check with companies that do screen printing. If you go > that route, you would need to varnish the cards first(check with the company > that might to the scratch off coating as to what type of varnish to use). From jdaghir at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 09:48:55 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Mon Oct 1 09:51:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scratch Off Cards In-Reply-To: <017301c801f5$f8a86560$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <001e01c801ef$19425c10$7400a8c0@Tom> <017301c801f5$f8a86560$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <83d5b9620710010648g1c5baa4al5717c24259b5dacf@mail.gmail.com> Whittier Mailing Products has the scratch-offs: www.traytag.com as does Scratch Off Systems: www.scratchoff.com -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com On 9/28/07, Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Check with companies that sell mailing tabs/seals. They now have self > adhesive scratch off tabs(if you have a tabber, they can be applied with > that). Otherwise, check with companies that do screen printing. If you go > that route, you would need to varnish the cards first(check with the company > that might to the scratch off coating as to what type of varnish to use). From jdaghir at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 09:54:05 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Mon Oct 1 09:55:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] SUEDETEX BUSINESS CARDS (Touche) suede (very smooth suede feel) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83d5b9620710010654l5bfe9610ge741d20ec38da749@mail.gmail.com> I've never had any experience with it, but you might check with the paper mill. Paper mills usually have a tech support department that can give you recommendations on how to print on their papers. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Michael said: > I have a request to print a 4/1 image (bus card) on white Suedetex or > equivalent stock (I think made by "Touche"??) > I have established that the material is available - albeit at $480 for 200 > sheets (1 carton min) 26 x 40" > > Does anyone OFFSET print on this material (4/1) From prtquick at eos.net Mon Oct 1 10:25:32 2007 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Mon Oct 1 09:59:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] huge color label In-Reply-To: <83d5b9620710010648g1c5baa4al5717c24259b5dacf@mail.gmail.com> References: <001e01c801ef$19425c10$7400a8c0@Tom> <017301c801f5$f8a86560$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <83d5b9620710010648g1c5baa4al5717c24259b5dacf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I have a broker customer looking for a 13" x 31" 4-color (plus varnish) label. Anyone have a source? Thanks! Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit us in our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 10:06:48 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Oct 1 10:08:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] huge color label In-Reply-To: References: <001e01c801ef$19425c10$7400a8c0@Tom> <017301c801f5$f8a86560$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <83d5b9620710010648g1c5baa4al5717c24259b5dacf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0710010706r7061ebfdnafe2d6e42494712d@mail.gmail.com> On 10/1/07, Scott Finke wrote: > > I have a broker customer looking for a 13" x 31" 4-color (plus varnish) > label. Anyone have a source? What's the quantity? If a small quantity, will ink-jetting onto an adhesive substrate with overlamination do the trick? If so, we could do that. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 10:11:46 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Oct 1 10:12:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] tabs In-Reply-To: <022401c80210$e1f56ff0$1401a8c0@JOY2> References: <022401c80210$e1f56ff0$1401a8c0@JOY2> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0710010711m22733b83q90771116364db505@mail.gmail.com> On 9/28/07, Joy Downing wrote: > > Does anyone on the list do tabs in house? Or do you have a good vendor? My > tab vendor just went up 30% from last year. I have a couple of clients that > do 10,000 at a time. But most are small runs. We would print in-house and send them to a converter. There should be a bindery or other tab converter in your area. Rush Tabs in NJ: 800-231-7874 is another possibility (for either the whole job, or just the conversion). -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From sherwood at net-power.net Mon Oct 1 10:17:45 2007 From: sherwood at net-power.net (Bob Sherwood) Date: Mon Oct 1 10:18:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need Stouse phone number Message-ID: <263e01c80435$d68ef510$01fea8c0@cumberla1> Cannot find it on there web -site stouse.com Bob Cumberland Printing P.O. Box 313 Monticello, KY 42633 From jdaghir at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 10:20:14 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Mon Oct 1 10:21:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Emergency DPM Plates Breaking Down In-Reply-To: <016401c801e2$3c8f2570$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <20070928113644.355C7BC8B45@rb.enter.net> <016401c801e2$3c8f2570$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <83d5b9620710010720s6b287784j52ff126dee605cc8@mail.gmail.com> While I agree with Dan and the other responses that I would look at the chemistry first, I'm going to put on my Poindexter hat and nerd glasses and point out that the Activator is actually highly alkaline (pH around 13.5) while the Stabilizer is a mild acid (pH about 5.8). But other than that Dan is right on the money. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com On 9/28/07, Dan Huntingford wrote: > I agree as well, except they mean Activator not Stabilizer. Stabilizer is > just a water rinse with some alkaline content to counter act the acid of the > Activator. Only the Activator is warmed. So it could be the temperature of > the Activator or the strength/acidity. From info at aeroprinting.com Mon Oct 1 10:34:56 2007 From: info at aeroprinting.com (Carl Core) Date: Mon Oct 1 10:35:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need Stouse phone number References: <263e01c80435$d68ef510$01fea8c0@cumberla1> Message-ID: <005901c80438$3d426420$6401a8c0@aero> Bob: 1-913-764-5757 Carl Core, Jr. Aero Printing, Inc. 710 Elida Ave Delphos, OH 45833 Ph. 419-695-2931 Fax 419-695-9930 info@aeroprinting.com www.aeroprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Sherwood" To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:17 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Need Stouse phone number ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Cannot find it on there web -site stouse.com Bob Cumberland Printing P.O. Box 313 Monticello, KY 42633 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jdaghir at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 10:36:50 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Mon Oct 1 10:37:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need Stouse phone number In-Reply-To: <263e01c80435$d68ef510$01fea8c0@cumberla1> References: <263e01c80435$d68ef510$01fea8c0@cumberla1> Message-ID: <83d5b9620710010736l2b821e86wf7f959b13846b38e@mail.gmail.com> Stouse 300 New Century Pkwy New Century, KS 66031 Phone: (913) 764-5757 Fax: (913) 764-0885 -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Bob said: > Cannot find it on there web -site stouse.com From slb at inkspot.net Mon Oct 1 10:37:28 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon Oct 1 10:39:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] huge color label In-Reply-To: References: <83d5b9620710010648g1c5baa4al5717c24259b5dacf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4700CDE8.14007.3EF980@slb.inkspot.net> You might try a sign shop. Many have something that prints 4c images onto adhesive finyl for vehicle graphics that are beyond practicality for cut vinyl. HTH, Steve > > > I have a broker customer looking for a 13" x 31" 4-color (plus varnish) > label. Anyone have a source? > > > Thanks! > > Scott Finke > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Visit us in our new location! > > Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. > 8630 Winton Road > Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Phone: (513) 522.2679 > Fax (513) 522.2692 > Email: info@brentwood-printing.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > www.Brentwood-Printing.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Send us your file at: > http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Quick. Quality. Printing > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2563 (20071001) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From ed at esprinting.com Mon Oct 1 11:02:17 2007 From: ed at esprinting.com (Ed DiFrancesco) Date: Mon Oct 1 11:03:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Emergency DPM Plates Breaking Down References: <0ACC536D-F39E-46D3-AB0F-46E80722E407@MauiPrintWorks.com> Message-ID: <004f01c8043c$150d2130$6701a8c0@OfficeEd> On our DPM the activator is only really good for 2 rolls of plates (400') or 4 to 5 weeks. We can make plates after that but they have a very weak image. If your activator is old and the image you're getting now is on the gold side, compare that to an image you get with new activator, it should be bright silver. If I don't have time to clean I drain a little out and add some new mixed activator. Of course the old stuff kills it in a day or two. The big 5 gal. tanks were ABD's way of selling lots of chemistry and being open it doesn't last very long. I added two 1qt. plastic containers filled with sand to the bottom of my activator and it didn't cause any problems with quality or time to change chem. Stabilizer never seems to causes a problem except the plates don't look as clean. Ed e.s. Printing and Copying ed@esprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Marsh" To: Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 10:36 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Emergency DPM Plates Breaking Down > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are having problems with our plate images from our DPM 2340 breaking > down. The type of plate is an 8 mil Megapro black polyester with silver > image (silvermaster). The silver image seems to scratch off or > deteriorate too easily. The image is so delicate that if you lightly > scratch it with your finger nail it will ruin the plate. This has been > happening more frequently in the last few months. We have adjusted form > roller pressures on our QM 46-2. Any suggestions on how to trouble > shoot this or get a more sturdy image? How could we tell if its a bad > batch of plate material or in the imaging process? This has been > happening on multiple rolls of plates also. > > > Joseph Marsh > Maui Print Works > Phone: 808-242-6634 > Fax: 808-242-8967 > Cell: 808-264-6382 > joseph@mauiprintworks.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From scott at usacolor.com Mon Oct 1 11:11:04 2007 From: scott at usacolor.com (scott) Date: Mon Oct 1 11:12:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] huge color label In-Reply-To: <4700CDE8.14007.3EF980@slb.inkspot.net> References: <83d5b9620710010648g1c5baa4al5717c24259b5dacf@mail.gmail.com> <4700CDE8.14007.3EF980@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <47010E08.6080901@usacolor.com> Anyone with a plotter can do this with lamination over PSV. We would charge $40(our minimium) Scott Balsiger, President USA Color Printing Inc. www.usacolor.com 791 Manhomen Dr. Bemidji, MN 56601 800-759-9126 218-759-9126 218-759-2883(fax) 218-556-5505(cell) Steve Blatman wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >You might try a sign shop. Many have something that prints 4c images >onto adhesive finyl for vehicle graphics that are beyond practicality >for cut vinyl. > >HTH, >Steve > > > > >>I have a broker customer looking for a 13" x 31" 4-color (plus varnish) >> label. Anyone have a source? >> >> >>Thanks! >> >>Scott Finke >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>Visit us in our new location! >> >>Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. >>8630 Winton Road >>Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>Phone: (513) 522.2679 >>Fax (513) 522.2692 >>Email: info@brentwood-printing.com >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>www.Brentwood-Printing.com >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>Send us your file at: >>http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>Quick. Quality. Printing >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >>__________ NOD32 2563 (20071001) Information __________ >> >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> > >Steve Blatman >Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. >14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA >Tel: 610-647-0776 >Fax: 610-647-4560 > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From sos at olympus.net Mon Oct 1 11:27:01 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Oct 1 11:27:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Emergency DPM Plates Breaking Down References: <20070928113644.355C7BC8B45@rb.enter.net><016401c801e2$3c8f2570$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <83d5b9620710010720s6b287784j52ff126dee605cc8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006e01c8043f$83bc8500$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Activator is actually highly alkaline > (pH around 13.5) while the Stabilizer is a mild acid (pH about 5.8). > But other than that Dan is right on the money. ================= I took Biology and Physics. No Chemistry. So I could easily have had that backward. Thanks for the clarification. I know I put Lime on the lawn to try and keep the moss at bay. We have acidic soil thanks to all the fir trees. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From keli at parchmentpress.net Mon Oct 1 11:19:25 2007 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Mon Oct 1 11:48:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rossback Stitcher head Message-ID: <47010FFD.1000406@parchmentpress.net> Hello all I have an old Rossback Stitching Machine with 2 Acme Champion Stitching heads on it. One works ok and the other only 3 out 5 times. Does anyone have a good source for good used Stitcher heads? I need one - then I can send the bad one out for fixing. OR - Does anyone have a good used head that they do not want anymore? please let me know.... thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Parchment Press is a Cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes Communities - To learn more about our community and what we are all about - please feel free to email me off list or visit our website at : http://www.twelvetribes.com From jdowning at libertygrouponline.com Mon Oct 1 14:27:11 2007 From: jdowning at libertygrouponline.com (Joy Downing) Date: Mon Oct 1 13:30:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Large Format Quote Message-ID: <072901c80458$aecb4790$1401a8c0@JOY2> I have a customer that needs 110 total pieces of a document that is 33 x 8.5. It then trifolds down to 8.5x11. There are 7 different versions in the 110 total pieces. They would like it printed on a matte coated 65 or 80 lb. cover. 4/4 If you would like to quote please e-mail me. Joy Downing The Liberty Group Bowling Green, KY jdowning@libertygrouponline.com Oh, yes...it is a rush job. We get file next Monday they need job Thursday. From jdaghir at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 13:42:36 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Mon Oct 1 13:43:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rossback Stitcher head In-Reply-To: <47010FFD.1000406@parchmentpress.net> References: <47010FFD.1000406@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: <83d5b9620710011042o44cc1bbdrd1f7fbf031dd882c@mail.gmail.com> The Bindery Parts store in Ohio offers a stitcher repair service: http://binderyparts.com/special_services.php I've never used them so I can't say anything good or bad about them. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Keli said: > Does anyone have a good source for good used Stitcher heads? > I need one - then I can send the bad one out for fixing. From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Mon Oct 1 14:03:56 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Mon Oct 1 14:00:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Competition from "Free Overnight Shipping!" Message-ID: We received a 4 color oversized postcard mailed using a Presorted First Class Permit #62 from New Albany, Indiana. The mailer appears to be offering printing services with the advantage of free overnight shipping. No charge this, no charge that, free this, free that, no credit check, custom quotes in '3 min. or less' - Wow! I'm worried about FK and now this competitor. Unfortunately there is no company name, no address and no telephone number. There's simply no way to know who sent it! What a fearsome competitor in the Midwest. And I thought our own mailings lacked effectiveness! Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From Minmandon at aol.com Mon Oct 1 14:04:40 2007 From: Minmandon at aol.com (Minmandon@aol.com) Date: Mon Oct 1 14:05:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Competition from "Free Overnight Shipping!" Message-ID: In a message dated 10/1/2007 2:01:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ssheers@sheergraphics.com writes: We received a 4 color oversized postcard mailed using a Presorted First Class Permit #62 from New Albany, Indiana. I got the same postcard. My guess is that it is from Discount Label. A pretty dumb & expensive mistake. Don Carney Minuteman Press Deerfield 954 421-9904 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 14:27:18 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Oct 1 14:28:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Competition from "Free Overnight Shipping!" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0710011127o2750baedkdff79def68f33cbc@mail.gmail.com> On 10/1/07, Simon Sheers wrote: > > The mailer appears to be offering printing services with the advantage > of free overnight shipping. No charge this, no charge that, free this, > free that, no credit check, custom quotes in '3 min. or less' - Wow! I'm willing to meet those prices AND add 1000 FREE! (as long as I'm equally certain not to get the job). -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From kevin at proprinters.ca Mon Oct 1 15:00:32 2007 From: kevin at proprinters.ca (Kevin at PRO Printers) Date: Mon Oct 1 15:01:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rhino-o-Tuff products References: <003501c77c61$9e87a470$0bfea8c0@northwes2uvrwl><006e01c77d31$bac83160$0200a8c0@promerivale1> Message-ID: <009f01c8045d$57f2d1e0$0200a8c0@promerivale1> Does anyone have the APES-14 or APES-14-77 as shown here? http://www.rhin-o-tuff.com/spec.apes14.html How about the PAL-14 viewable farther down on the above link? On the face of it, these would seem to greatly increase punching productivity without the expense of an automated system. Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca From david.doost at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 15:17:16 2007 From: david.doost at gmail.com (David Doost) Date: Mon Oct 1 15:22:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rhino-o-Tuff products In-Reply-To: <009f01c8045d$57f2d1e0$0200a8c0@promerivale1> References: <003501c77c61$9e87a470$0bfea8c0@northwes2uvrwl><006e01c77d31$bac83160$0200a8c0@promerivale1> <009f01c8045d$57f2d1e0$0200a8c0@promerivale1> Message-ID: <470148b1.2486460a.2ab8.2a78@mx.google.com> Kevin, We looked at these too but decided to go with their RAF-11. http://www.rhin-o-tuff.com/raf-11.html We've had it for about a year and have not been disappointed. Basically does the work of one person plus it doesn't whine as much! Now if I can just find an automated typesetting machine! David Doost Printing Impression 1200 Barrett Parkway Suite 4 Kennesaw, GA 30144 770-422-8766 www.printingimpression.net -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kevin at PRO Printers Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 3:01 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Rhino-o-Tuff products ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Does anyone have the APES-14 or APES-14-77 as shown here? http://www.rhin-o-tuff.com/spec.apes14.html How about the PAL-14 viewable farther down on the above link? On the face of it, these would seem to greatly increase punching productivity without the expense of an automated system. Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From pica18 at hotmail.com Mon Oct 1 15:36:36 2007 From: pica18 at hotmail.com (s polk) Date: Mon Oct 1 15:37:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Going Green In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0710011127o2750baedkdff79def68f33cbc@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0710011127o2750baedkdff79def68f33cbc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Has anyone attended the Mac Paper sponsored Green Knowledge seminar? I hope it will be worthwhile to make a two hour drive over to Charlotte tomorrow. Environmental issues are finally getting some notice in our small community and I think we can develop some business opportunities as well as making a meaningful contribution toward the environment. Steve Tryon, NC _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Mon Oct 1 15:41:28 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Mon Oct 1 15:42:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Here's an odd one....IKON 650 or KM 6500 Message-ID: Anyone running a KM 6500 or an Ikon 650 with the standard little output tray? We are doing a demo, and the printing does not stop when the tray is full....it just keeps on throwing them onto the floor. The dealer says Fiery did not program the server to recognize this output device. However, if making color copies, the machine stops when the tray is full. It doesn't go through the fiery for making copies. Only when printing, which is all we want to do, does it keep on printing. Thanks in advance for anyone with the standard output tray who can comment on it, Larry Tucson 520-745-8004 From char at themasterspress.com Mon Oct 1 15:54:03 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Mon Oct 1 15:57:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Here's an odd one....IKON 650 or KM 6500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00db01c80464$db509070$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Larry I know this is also true with the C500. One of the reasons we went ahead and got a finishing unit - even if it is just a stapler. Gives the ability to load up the paper tray and have a receding receiving stacker so you can just let the copier run. We had the same thing with a X2045. I am not sure I understand the logic of not just putting some receding unit on there but because it is so modular I guess they can just add or subtract what someone wants. It will be worth your production time to get a receding tray at least with a stapler even if you never use the stapler. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of larry Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 2:41 PM To: Printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Here's an odd one....IKON 650 or KM 6500 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Anyone running a KM 6500 or an Ikon 650 with the standard little output tray? We are doing a demo, and the printing does not stop when the tray is full....it just keeps on throwing them onto the floor. The dealer says Fiery did not program the server to recognize this output device. However, if making color copies, the machine stops when the tray is full. It doesn't go through the fiery for making copies. Only when printing, which is all we want to do, does it keep on printing. Thanks in advance for anyone with the standard output tray who can comment on it, Larry Tucson 520-745-8004 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From craig at newhavenprint.com Mon Oct 1 16:00:21 2007 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Mon Oct 1 15:59:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] SUEDETEX BUSINESS CARDS (Touche) suede (very smoothsuede feel) In-Reply-To: <83d5b9620710010654l5bfe9610ge741d20ec38da749@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071001195943.66686BDD169@rb.enter.net> We actually ran some invitations on that stuff. Very cool. But, we ran them digitally on the iGen. Where there were large areas of solids on the "suede" side, it was smooth. Where there wasn't toner, it was suede. It ran and fused fine. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Daghir > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:54 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] SUEDETEX BUSINESS CARDS (Touche) > suede (very smoothsuede feel) > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I've never had any experience with it, but you might check > with the paper mill. Paper mills usually have a tech support > department that can give you recommendations on how to print > on their papers. > > -- > Jeff Daghir > MPS Printing, Inc. > "The Ink & Paper People" > Madison, IN > www.mpsprinting.com > jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com > > > Michael said: > > I have a request to print a 4/1 image (bus card) on white > Suedetex or > > equivalent stock (I think made by "Touche"??) > > I have established that the material is available - albeit > at $480 for 200 > > sheets (1 carton min) 26 x 40" > > > > Does anyone OFFSET print on this material (4/1) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From rick at jmjprinting.com Mon Oct 1 16:53:16 2007 From: rick at jmjprinting.com (Rick Foster) Date: Mon Oct 1 16:49:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Competition from "Free Overnight Shipping!" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In reference to the message sent by Simon Sheers, on 10/1/07, at 1:03 PM -0500: >We received a 4 color oversized postcard mailed using a Presorted >First Class Permit #62 from New Albany, Indiana. > >Unfortunately there is no company name, no address and no telephone >number. There's simply no way to know who sent it! I didn't get that postcard, but I have been seeing more and more of this type of advertising. No company name, no phone number or contact info, etc. Primarily done by customers them self on their home computer using very poor layout. But surprisingly becoming more common with some professionally designed crap as well. Sometimes the company name is just part of the logo very small. I figured this is just a new method of advertising? You know, like the TV commercials that show everything except the product and leave you wondering what they were advertising. Or the commercials that only say the name of the product and you haven't a clue what it is or why you should buy it. Maybe we can make something from this. Preprinted postcard mailings! Print up a bunch of different designs for different industries and sell them as generic advertising products ready to mail. Perfect for the new unidentifiable marketing strategy. You could even offer to randomly address them in groups of 1000 and mail for a super low price. -- Rick _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Rick B. Foster JMJ Printing Co. LLC - Snohomish, WA mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com http://www.jmjprinting.com 425.334.9716 Your Full Service Print Shop 425.397.9716 Fax We Appreciate Your Business! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From jgross at techiowa.com Mon Oct 1 17:00:44 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Mon Oct 1 17:02:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Competition from "Free Overnight Shipping!" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001601c8046e$2244d870$1e00000a@tech.local> I save these as examples of bad design. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Rick Foster Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 3:53 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Competition from "Free Overnight Shipping!" ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In reference to the message sent by Simon Sheers, on 10/1/07, at 1:03 PM -0500: >We received a 4 color oversized postcard mailed using a Presorted >First Class Permit #62 from New Albany, Indiana. > >Unfortunately there is no company name, no address and no telephone >number. There's simply no way to know who sent it! I didn't get that postcard, but I have been seeing more and more of this type of advertising. No company name, no phone number or contact info, etc. Primarily done by customers them self on their home computer using very poor layout. But surprisingly becoming more common with some professionally designed crap as well. Sometimes the company name is just part of the logo very small. I figured this is just a new method of advertising? You know, like the TV commercials that show everything except the product and leave you wondering what they were advertising. Or the commercials that only say the name of the product and you haven't a clue what it is or why you should buy it. Maybe we can make something from this. Preprinted postcard mailings! Print up a bunch of different designs for different industries and sell them as generic advertising products ready to mail. Perfect for the new unidentifiable marketing strategy. You could even offer to randomly address them in groups of 1000 and mail for a super low price. -- Rick _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Rick B. Foster JMJ Printing Co. LLC - Snohomish, WA mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com http://www.jmjprinting.com 425.334.9716 Your Full Service Print Shop 425.397.9716 Fax We Appreciate Your Business! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From keli at parchmentpress.net Mon Oct 1 17:08:47 2007 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Mon Oct 1 17:09:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Competition from "Free Overnight Shipping!" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <470161DF.5@parchmentpress.net> YES - It was Discount Label! I called them and spoke to the Marketing dept. They were shocked and said that it was supposed to be in an envelope with other things. Great Marketing concept though as we have just discussed Discount Label amongst us.. thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Parchment Press is a Cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes Communities - To learn more about our community and what we are all about - please feel free to email me off list or visit our website at : http://www.twelvetribes.com Minmandon@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > In a message dated 10/1/2007 2:01:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > ssheers@sheergraphics.com writes: > > We received a 4 color oversized postcard mailed using a Presorted First > Class Permit #62 from New Albany, Indiana. > > > > > I got the same postcard. My guess is that it is from Discount Label. A > pretty dumb & expensive mistake. > > Don Carney > Minuteman Press Deerfield > 954 421-9904 > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From prtquick at eos.net Mon Oct 1 17:41:05 2007 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Mon Oct 1 17:15:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Competition from "Free Overnight Shipping!" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4bcd53a4beacd12f69a025066e3caa47@eos.net> When I worked at HOW magazine, we had an annual self-promotion contest, and always had lots of beautiful, well-designed, clever, expensive submissions that had NO WAY to contact the sender. Needless to say, they never won an award. Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit us in our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing On Oct 1, 2007, at 4:53 PM, Rick Foster wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > In reference to the message sent by Simon Sheers, on 10/1/07, at 1:03 > PM -0500: > >> We received a 4 color oversized postcard mailed using a Presorted >> First Class Permit #62 from New Albany, Indiana. >> >> Unfortunately there is no company name, no address and no telephone >> number. There's simply no way to know who sent it! > > I didn't get that postcard, but I have been seeing more and more of > this type of advertising. No company name, no phone number or contact > info, etc. Primarily done by customers them self on their home > computer using very poor layout. But surprisingly becoming more common > with some professionally designed crap as well. Sometimes the company > name is just part of the logo very small. > > I figured this is just a new method of advertising? You know, like the > TV commercials that show everything except the product and leave you > wondering what they were advertising. Or the commercials that only say > the name of the product and you haven't a clue what it is or why you > should buy it. > > Maybe we can make something from this. Preprinted postcard mailings! > Print up a bunch of different designs for different industries and > sell them as generic advertising products ready to mail. Perfect for > the new unidentifiable marketing strategy. You could even offer to > randomly address them in groups of 1000 and mail for a super low > price. > -- > > Rick > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > Rick B. Foster JMJ Printing Co. LLC - Snohomish, WA > mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com http://www.jmjprinting.com > 425.334.9716 Your Full Service Print Shop > 425.397.9716 Fax We Appreciate Your Business! > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Tue Oct 2 11:02:11 2007 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Tue Oct 2 11:05:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 15% commission Message-ID: We have an opportunity to work with a broker/salesperson. He's a great guy to work with and knows the business. I'd expect jobs to be dropped off with very clear instructions and written POs. Does a straight 15% commission sound right under these circumstances? I'd appreciate any insight. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying From jacemeister at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 11:17:20 2007 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Tue Oct 2 11:18:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 15% commission In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That doesn't sound bad if he's doing his own billing and paying you promptly. It's better than hiring a salesperson and having to pay 7% to 10% on top of a salary, car allowance or company car, and benefits. -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com > We have an opportunity to work with a broker/salesperson. He's a great guy > to work with and knows the business. I'd expect jobs to be dropped off with > very clear instructions and written POs. Does a straight 15% commission > sound right under these circumstances? I'd appreciate any insight. > > Respectfully, > > Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc > 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 From kellycrom at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 11:24:50 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Tue Oct 2 11:25:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 15% commission In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <036201c80508$61178df0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Are you billing his clients, or is he? Typically, with brokers who bill their own customers, we offer the broker a 15% discount, as long as they pay within 10 days. If they go over 10 days, they pay full price. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bernard Bahn > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 10:02 AM > To: multiple recipients of Print Owners > Subject: [PrintOwners] 15% commission > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have an opportunity to work with a broker/salesperson. > He's a great guy > to work with and knows the business. I'd expect jobs to be > dropped off with > very clear instructions and written POs. Does a straight 15% > commission > sound right under these circumstances? I'd appreciate any insight. > > > Respectfully, > > > > Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc > 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 > > Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | > bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com > > http://www.creativeimaginginc.com > Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From robin at protypeonline.com Tue Oct 2 11:28:51 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Tue Oct 2 11:29:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Here's an odd one....IKON 650 or KM 6500 Message-ID: <70FF1ADE-E306-459D-BC33-BE9601CD26E1@protypeonline.com> Larry, Like Charlene, I don't know why you wouldn't want the receding stacker -- are you trying to strip the machine down to the basics to save money? If so, then you aren't getting the large capacity paper drawers? Why get a production machine if you aren't going to use it for production? IF, like I think you want...you ARE going to use this as a digital printer/production machine -- then get the receding stacker and the paper drawers -- then you can output as much as you input or close. we have the stapler gizmo and never staple but sure love the receding stacker. robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From rstor at copycats.com Tue Oct 2 11:26:19 2007 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Tue Oct 2 11:29:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 15% commission In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4702631B.8000609@copycats.com> Bernie, 15% is fair - the guy needs to make a living also. However: 1. Stress your standard turnaround - my experience with brokers is that they always rush you and unless you clarify your rush charges at the outset, they will assume that the price holds regardless of production squeezes 2. Make it clear that ANY intervention on your part (like file fixes) will be charged for. You are cutting your profit drastically and can't afford to throw in pre-press time as you might for a full-paying client. Good Luck, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Bernard Bahn wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have an opportunity to work with a broker/salesperson. He's a great guy > to work with and knows the business. I'd expect jobs to be dropped off with > very clear instructions and written POs. Does a straight 15% commission > sound right under these circumstances? I'd appreciate any insight. > > > Respectfully, > > > > Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc > 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 > > Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | > bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com > > http://www.creativeimaginginc.com > Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From kevin at abfprints.com Tue Oct 2 11:31:55 2007 From: kevin at abfprints.com (Kevin Danko) Date: Tue Oct 2 11:36:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 15% commission In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <028401c80509$5f6ca7a0$1700a8c0@abf.local> Bernie, are you saying you want to mark up his jobs and sell at a 15% profit margin or are you going to bill the customer and pay him 15% commission on the gross sale of the job? I've always felt my services were worth a minimum of 20-25% profit margin to brokers. There are plenty of "cheap" printers out there that don't provide the expertise, professional graphics dept., customer service, and attention to detail that we do. I expect to be paid a "fair" profit for what we offer. My feelings are, let them go somewhere else and get frustrated, they often come back once they've been mistreated elsewhere. I've bought out one broker and had another come to work for me because they understand that you often get what you pay for... Kevin Danko Advantage Business Forms 102 N. Riverside Ave. Rialto, CA 92376 Phone: (909) 875-7163 Fax: (909) 875-7971 www.abfprints.com E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bernard Bahn Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:02 AM To: multiple recipients of Print Owners Subject: [PrintOwners] 15% commission ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have an opportunity to work with a broker/salesperson. He's a great guy to work with and knows the business. I'd expect jobs to be dropped off with very clear instructions and written POs. Does a straight 15% commission sound right under these circumstances? I'd appreciate any insight. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Tue Oct 2 11:48:13 2007 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Tue Oct 2 11:50:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 15% commission In-Reply-To: <028401c80509$5f6ca7a0$1700a8c0@abf.local> Message-ID: I should have been more clear. The broker would do his own billing. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Kevin Danko Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 10:32 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] 15% commission ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Bernie, are you saying you want to mark up his jobs and sell at a 15% profit margin or are you going to bill the customer and pay him 15% commission on the gross sale of the job? I've always felt my services were worth a minimum of 20-25% profit margin to brokers. There are plenty of "cheap" printers out there that don't provide the expertise, professional graphics dept., customer service, and attention to detail that we do. I expect to be paid a "fair" profit for what we offer. My feelings are, let them go somewhere else and get frustrated, they often come back once they've been mistreated elsewhere. I've bought out one broker and had another come to work for me because they understand that you often get what you pay for... Kevin Danko Advantage Business Forms 102 N. Riverside Ave. Rialto, CA 92376 Phone: (909) 875-7163 Fax: (909) 875-7971 www.abfprints.com E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bernard Bahn Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:02 AM To: multiple recipients of Print Owners Subject: [PrintOwners] 15% commission ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have an opportunity to work with a broker/salesperson. He's a great guy to work with and knows the business. I'd expect jobs to be dropped off with very clear instructions and written POs. Does a straight 15% commission sound right under these circumstances? I'd appreciate any insight. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.37/1042 - Release Date: 10/1/2007 6:59 PM From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Tue Oct 2 11:54:29 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Tue Oct 2 11:55:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re worded the question Message-ID: I'm doing a demo on the 6500/650. Does anyone have one with just the 500 sheet catch tray? I prefer the catch tray because I run my business semi-absentee.....and it forces someone to look at the quality coming off the color machines every 500 or so copies. If you have one with a catch tray, does yours stop printing when it is full? All of our other units stop when the output devices are full, whether it's a receding stacker or a catch tray. The KM/IKON units we are testing do not, or at least according to the mfg, EFI possibly did not program the machines to stop. Feel free to email me offline. I would greatly appreciate it. Larry Desert Pacific Tucson eatnsleepgolf@msn.com From mail at myprinter.biz Tue Oct 2 12:00:53 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Tue Oct 2 12:01:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 15% commission In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bernie - I'm not hearing much "downside" on this. What are you risking if you take this broker on as a "trial?" It's certain that he/she won't stay with you if it's not working out for him/her, so... Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Bernard Bahn Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:48 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] 15% commission ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I should have been more clear. The broker would do his own billing. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Kevin Danko Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 10:32 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] 15% commission ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Bernie, are you saying you want to mark up his jobs and sell at a 15% profit margin or are you going to bill the customer and pay him 15% commission on the gross sale of the job? I've always felt my services were worth a minimum of 20-25% profit margin to brokers. There are plenty of "cheap" printers out there that don't provide the expertise, professional graphics dept., customer service, and attention to detail that we do. I expect to be paid a "fair" profit for what we offer. My feelings are, let them go somewhere else and get frustrated, they often come back once they've been mistreated elsewhere. I've bought out one broker and had another come to work for me because they understand that you often get what you pay for... Kevin Danko Advantage Business Forms 102 N. Riverside Ave. Rialto, CA 92376 Phone: (909) 875-7163 Fax: (909) 875-7971 www.abfprints.com E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bernard Bahn Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:02 AM To: multiple recipients of Print Owners Subject: [PrintOwners] 15% commission ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have an opportunity to work with a broker/salesperson. He's a great guy to work with and knows the business. I'd expect jobs to be dropped off with very clear instructions and written POs. Does a straight 15% commission sound right under these circumstances? I'd appreciate any insight. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.37/1042 - Release Date: 10/1/2007 6:59 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Oct 2 11:56:32 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Oct 2 12:01:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 15% commission In-Reply-To: References: <028401c80509$5f6ca7a0$1700a8c0@abf.local> Message-ID: <200710021559.l92Fx2cZ022056@i2bnetworks.com> I think 15% is reasonable if this is your arrangement. S. At 08:48 AM 10/2/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I should have been more clear. The broker would do his own billing. > > Respectfully, > > Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc >1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 > >Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | >bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com > >http://www.creativeimaginginc.com >Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying > > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Kevin Danko >Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 10:32 AM >To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' >Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] 15% commission > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Bernie, are you saying you want to mark up his jobs and sell at a 15% profit >margin or are you going to bill the customer and pay him 15% commission on >the gross sale of the job? > >I've always felt my services were worth a minimum of 20-25% profit margin to >brokers. There are plenty of "cheap" printers out there that don't provide >the expertise, professional graphics dept., customer service, and attention >to detail that we do. I expect to be paid a "fair" profit for what we offer. >My feelings are, let them go somewhere else and get frustrated, they often >come back once they've been mistreated elsewhere. I've bought out one broker >and had another come to work for me because they understand that you often >get what you pay for... > >Kevin Danko > >Advantage Business Forms >102 N. Riverside Ave. >Rialto, CA 92376 >Phone: (909) 875-7163 >Fax: (909) 875-7971 >www.abfprints.com >E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bernard Bahn >Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:02 AM >To: multiple recipients of Print Owners >Subject: [PrintOwners] 15% commission > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We have an opportunity to work with a broker/salesperson. He's a great guy >to work with and knows the business. I'd expect jobs to be dropped off with >very clear instructions and written POs. Does a straight 15% commission >sound right under these circumstances? I'd appreciate any insight. > > >Respectfully, > > > >Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc >1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 > >Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | >bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com > >http://www.creativeimaginginc.com >Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.37/1042 - Release Date: 10/1/2007 >6:59 PM > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2566 (20071002) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From sos at olympus.net Tue Oct 2 12:04:01 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Oct 2 12:04:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Illustrator CS3 References: <4702631B.8000609@copycats.com> Message-ID: <025701c8050d$d93bae60$0300a8c0@DANIEL> I have been trying to define a PMS spot color in an Illustrator file. I can't do it. I can't find a Pantone swatch library anywhere. The help files are no help at all. I've been doing this for years. Where on earth did they hide it in the new version? Anybody know? Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Oct 2 12:05:38 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Oct 2 12:09:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re worded the question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200710021608.l92G88gE023868@i2bnetworks.com> I think you terribly cripple the horsepower and capabilities of the 6500 engine with a wimpy catch tray. The color variability issue that some have mentioned and I have seen occur on the C-500, is non-existent on the 6500. We equipped our 6500 with the large capacity stacker which will stack the full complement of 5000 sheets coming out of both LCT's. Last week we ran a large color manual project that almost filled the large capacity stacker unit when finished. There was zero variability in color from the first set to the last in the stack. I would at the very least equip the 6500 with a receding stacker. S. At 08:54 AM 10/2/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I'm doing a demo on the 6500/650. > >Does anyone have one with just the 500 sheet catch tray? > >I prefer the catch tray because I run my business >semi-absentee.....and it forces someone to look at the quality >coming off the color machines every 500 or so copies. > >If you have one with a catch tray, does yours stop printing when it is full? > >All of our other units stop when the output devices are full, >whether it's a receding stacker or >a catch tray. The KM/IKON units we are testing do not, or at least >according to the mfg, EFI possibly did not program >the machines to stop. > >Feel free to email me offline. I would greatly appreciate it. > >Larry >Desert Pacific >Tucson >eatnsleepgolf@msn.com > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2566 (20071002) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Tue Oct 2 12:13:18 2007 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Tue Oct 2 12:13:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re worded the question In-Reply-To: <200710021608.l92G88gE023868@i2bnetworks.com> References: <200710021608.l92G88gE023868@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: If I'm understanding your question correctly: Window > Swatch Libraries > Color Books > Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com On Oct 2, 2007, at 12:05 PM, Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > I think you terribly cripple the horsepower and capabilities of the > 6500 engine with a wimpy catch tray. > > The color variability issue that some have mentioned and I have > seen occur on the C-500, is non-existent on the 6500. > > We equipped our 6500 with the large capacity stacker which will > stack the full complement of 5000 sheets coming out of both LCT's. > > Last week we ran a large color manual project that almost filled > the large capacity stacker unit when finished. There was zero > variability in color from the first set to the last in the stack. > > I would at the very least equip the 6500 with a receding stacker. > > S. > > > At 08:54 AM 10/2/2007, you wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I'm doing a demo on the 6500/650. >> >> Does anyone have one with just the 500 sheet catch tray? >> >> I prefer the catch tray because I run my business semi- >> absentee.....and it forces someone to look at the quality >> coming off the color machines every 500 or so copies. >> >> If you have one with a catch tray, does yours stop printing when >> it is full? >> >> All of our other units stop when the output devices are full, >> whether it's a receding stacker or >> a catch tray. The KM/IKON units we are testing do not, or at >> least according to the mfg, EFI possibly did not program >> the machines to stop. >> >> Feel free to email me offline. I would greatly appreciate it. >> >> Larry >> Desert Pacific >> Tucson >> eatnsleepgolf@msn.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ NOD32 2566 (20071002) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Oct 2 12:12:42 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Oct 2 12:16:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Illustrator CS3 In-Reply-To: <025701c8050d$d93bae60$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <4702631B.8000609@copycats.com> <025701c8050d$d93bae60$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <200710021615.l92GFB2I025424@i2bnetworks.com> Flyout menu on the swatches pallete / Open Swatch Library / Color Books. S. At 09:04 AM 10/2/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I have been trying to define a PMS spot color in an Illustrator >file. I can't do it. I can't find a Pantone swatch library >anywhere. The help files are no help at all. >I've been doing this for years. >Where on earth did they hide it in the new version? >Anybody know? > >Dan Huntingford >SOS Printing >2319 Washington Street >Port Townsend, WA 98368 >sos@olympus.net >(360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2566 (20071002) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From alewinter at datapalette.com Tue Oct 2 12:34:01 2007 From: alewinter at datapalette.com (Andrew LeWinter) Date: Tue Oct 2 12:30:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 15% commission References: Message-ID: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D501E6F96@mail1.datapalette.local> For a salesman, 15% would be very good. If you can factor that into your price, it could be good for you. If you have a good handle on your cost structure, why not offer him 40% of the profit on a job, with him responsible for all his expenses? Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bernard Bahn Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:02 AM To: multiple recipients of Print Owners Subject: [PrintOwners] 15% commission ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have an opportunity to work with a broker/salesperson. He's a great guy to work with and knows the business. I'd expect jobs to be dropped off with very clear instructions and written POs. Does a straight 15% commission sound right under these circumstances? I'd appreciate any insight. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jdaghir at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 12:25:13 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Tue Oct 2 12:33:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Illustrator CS3 In-Reply-To: <025701c8050d$d93bae60$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <4702631B.8000609@copycats.com> <025701c8050d$d93bae60$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <83d5b9620710020925i5beb4b93l42e2a589a774c21d@mail.gmail.com> Windows | Swatch Libraries | Color Books It took me a while to find it also. We upgraded to CS3 shortly before Graph Expo. Ever since then my CSR has been chuckling because he frequently hears me mutter "now where the f**k* did they move that to". ;) -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com On 10/2/07, Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have been trying to define a PMS spot color in an Illustrator file. I > can't do it. I can't find a Pantone swatch library anywhere. The help files > are no help at all. > I've been doing this for years. > Where on earth did they hide it in the new version? > Anybody know? > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Tue Oct 2 12:43:50 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Tue Oct 2 12:44:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6500 Stacker question again please Message-ID: Does ANY stacker attached to the 6500 stop when full? Thanks, Larry From sos at olympus.net Tue Oct 2 13:20:38 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Oct 2 13:21:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Illustrator CS3 References: <4702631B.8000609@copycats.com><025701c8050d$d93bae60$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <200710021615.l92GFB2I025424@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <027001c80518$8d613090$0300a8c0@DANIEL> > Flyout menu on the swatches pallete / Open Swatch Library / Color Books. ===================== OK found it. Thank you!!! In there amongst the Kids Colors, Earthtones, Food Colors, Vibrant, etc. etc. It's almost like using Microsoft Publisher templates. Sheesh. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Oct 2 13:34:00 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Oct 2 13:37:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6500 Stacker question again please In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200710021736.l92HaUbf041936@i2bnetworks.com> Yes Larry, all of our stackers stop when full. On the C-6500 the Large Capacity stacker (LS-501) and the large saddle stitcher / booklet finisher (SD-501) both stop when they reach the state of fullness. And the stitcher/stacker (FS-115) on the C500 also stops when fullness is attainted Both of our machines stop when full, both are driven by CREO's but I am not sure that makes a difference. Its good to be full. S. At 09:43 AM 10/2/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Does ANY stacker attached to the 6500 stop when full? > >Thanks, Larry >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2566 (20071002) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Tue Oct 2 13:40:36 2007 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Tue Oct 2 13:41:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 15% commission In-Reply-To: <200710021559.l92Fx2cZ022056@i2bnetworks.com> References: <028401c80509$5f6ca7a0$1700a8c0@abf.local> <200710021559.l92Fx2cZ022056@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <10305ED9-2900-4CEA-B209-372B3DEB8F17@inkonpaper.biz> > I think 15% is reasonable if this is your arrangement. Just remember if your making less than 15% bottom line profit - Your paying him to work for you!!! Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz On Oct 2, 2007, at 11:56 AM, Scott Cappel wrote: From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Tue Oct 2 14:23:48 2007 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Tue Oct 2 14:25:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 250,000 12 x 18 sheets perfed Message-ID: I've never been in this situation before. I need about 250,000 12 x 18 sheets perfed for 24 tear-off cards. I'm assuming it would be much cheaper to perf in advance of running through the iGen. Consumption would be about 15,000 per week. Any suggestions? The only vendor I can think of is Blanks USA, and I don't even know if this is a good fit or not for them. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying From rick at jmjprinting.com Tue Oct 2 14:30:52 2007 From: rick at jmjprinting.com (Rick Foster) Date: Tue Oct 2 14:26:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 15% commission In-Reply-To: <4702631B.8000609@copycats.com> References: <4702631B.8000609@copycats.com> Message-ID: In reference to the message sent by Robert Stor, on 10/2/07, at 11:26 AM -0400: >15% is fair - the guy needs to make a living also. The guy needs to make a living, but not at my expense. 15% discount to him is 15% out of my pocket. We can't really answer the question is 15% a fair discount because we don't know your margins. One thing to remember, whatever discount you give comes directly from the profit. Cost to produce is still the same. Look at the extreems, If you have a high profit margin, say 50% or more, 15% might be reasonable, if you have a 15% profit margin you will be doing the work for free. Just for sake of argument, if you have a 30% profit margin and you discount 15% you have just cut your profits in half for that job. Take a look at your margins and decide if you are willing to do the work for that price. -- Rick _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Rick B. Foster JMJ Printing Co. LLC - Snohomish, WA mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com http://www.jmjprinting.com 425.334.9716 Your Full Service Print Shop 425.397.9716 Fax We Appreciate Your Business! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From printer at ptialaska.net Tue Oct 2 14:29:39 2007 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Tue Oct 2 14:30:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 250,000 12 x 18 sheets perfed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Oct 2, 2007, at 10:23 AM, Bernard Bahn wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I've never been in this situation before. I need about 250,000 12 x 18 > sheets perfed for 24 tear-off cards. I'm assuming it would be much > cheaper > to perf in advance of running through the iGen. Consumption would > be about > 15,000 per week. Any suggestions? The only vendor I can think of is > Blanks > USA, and I don't even know if this is a good fit or not for them. REPLY: Instead of perfing them ahead, why not print them and then just cut them, no perf involved. Use a slitter or a cutter. Here is a nice slitter to check out... http://www.thermotype.com/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From John at mpcny.com Tue Oct 2 14:45:09 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Tue Oct 2 14:46:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: 15% commission In-Reply-To: <20071002183048.B1EB7BDFEAE@rb.enter.net> References: <20071002183048.B1EB7BDFEAE@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <014201c80524$5c330c30$14992490$@com> Mmmm some interesting view points. Dave Fellman did a study and the average salesperson "costs" 22% of a sale. This is when you add in his overhead and expenses. I would be concerned at the price he was selling at, not the 15%. I guess anyone unwilling to pay 15% would never hire a salesperson... John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.37/1042 - Release Date: 10/1/2007 6:59 PM From slb at inkspot.net Tue Oct 2 14:48:54 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Oct 2 14:50:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re worded the question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <47025A56.3924.64B84C2@slb.inkspot.net> We have a C500. On the one or two occasions when I neglected to specify the receding stacker, I remember it stopping when the smaller catch-tray was full. Of course, that's a C500, not a 6500 or 650, and a Creo rip, not a Fiery. HTH, Steve > > I'm doing a demo on the 6500/650. > > Does anyone have one with just the 500 sheet catch tray? > > I prefer the catch tray because I run my business semi-absentee.....and it forces someone to look at the quality > coming off the color machines every 500 or so copies. > > If you have one with a catch tray, does yours stop printing when it is full? > > All of our other units stop when the output devices are full, whether it's a receding stacker or > a catch tray. The KM/IKON units we are testing do not, or at least according to the mfg, EFI possibly did not program > the machines to stop. > > Feel free to email me offline. I would greatly appreciate it. > > Larry > Desert Pacific > Tucson > eatnsleepgolf@msn.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2566 (20071002) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 15:07:37 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Oct 2 15:08:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 15% commission In-Reply-To: <10305ED9-2900-4CEA-B209-372B3DEB8F17@inkonpaper.biz> References: <028401c80509$5f6ca7a0$1700a8c0@abf.local> <200710021559.l92Fx2cZ022056@i2bnetworks.com> <10305ED9-2900-4CEA-B209-372B3DEB8F17@inkonpaper.biz> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0710021207k3e198ec4x77af00134aeeea75@mail.gmail.com> On 10/2/07, Loren Maurina wrote: > > Loren Maurina Hey Loren, aren't you supposed to be in some Amazon jungle lodge? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From craig at newhavenprint.com Tue Oct 2 15:10:04 2007 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Tue Oct 2 15:09:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 250,000 12 x 18 sheets perfed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20071002190950.2881BBE00B4@rb.enter.net> > I've never been in this situation before. I need about > 250,000 12 x 18 sheets perfed for 24 tear-off cards. I'm > assuming it would be much cheaper to perf in advance of > running through the iGen. Consumption would be about 15,000 > per week. Any suggestions? The only vendor I can think of is > Blanks USA, and I don't even know if this is a good fit or > not for them. > Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc Hey Bernie, We're running a 120,000 run of 12x18 right now with around 60K of those sheets perforated. We're running blank 12x18 Accent Opaque 60# through our Stahl folder with perf wheels. Then putting that in the iGen. We started running this yesterday afternoon and we've gone about 15,000 sheets without a jam (fingers still crossed). It's working really well. We're just perfing 7 or 8 cartons at a time to stay ahead of the iGen. The folder runs them pretty fast and it's laying flat. I'm sure finding a mill to laser perf the sheets would be a great idea. Unfortunatly, we only have till Monday to finish up these books. 144 pages color with no perf / 152 black and white pages that are perfed and mixed throughout the book, then perfect bound. We're running the books complete other than the covers. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From k_graham at hotmail.com Tue Oct 2 15:48:06 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Tue Oct 2 15:49:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] EFI Fiery Command Work Station -color calibration bug References: Message-ID: One of our Xerox 240's would not do a Color Cal EFI calibration on card setting, though it would on paper- We had already gone through a re-install of software as originally it would not do a calibration period. Fortunately this Xerox phone tech said, Aha - that sounds like the buggy version of Command workstation, that has problems with color - probably from your disk, you need 4.*****.049, We had 4.******.039 Then directed me to support site on Xerox and had me download the update plus a cleanup utility to run after first deleting old version from Add Remove Programs , then reboot and install new version. While I am downloading the 190 meg files - I've been thinking EFI uses command workstation fairly interchangeably between brands of color copier, so heads up. If you have less than 4*****.049 and you can't set to calibrate Heavy 2 card - check with your supplier, or if Xerox get it now. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 Dawson Creek BC Canada V1G 2G5 From bgallagher at nbn.net Tue Oct 2 15:52:32 2007 From: bgallagher at nbn.net (Bob Gallagher) Date: Tue Oct 2 15:53:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 250,000 12 x 18 sheets perfed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10/2/07 2:23 PM, "Bernard Bahn" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I've never been in this situation before. I need about 250,000 12 x 18 > sheets perfed for 24 tear-off cards. I'm assuming it would be much cheaper You might check with Paris Business Forms. They do a lot of laser perfing. Check our new website Bob Gallagher Gallagher Printing, Inc. 601 W. Main Street Palmyra, PA 17078 717-838-1527 1-888-838-1527 Fax 717-838-5715 http://www.gallagherprint.com An Adobe Service Provider A Microsoft Publisher Provider Member, Adobe Solutions Network From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Oct 2 15:52:37 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Oct 2 15:53:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ever heard of this company? Message-ID: Has anyone on this list ever heard of Growll.com which advertises itself as wholesale supplier of printing services? This is for internal research purposes only, but I would appreciate knowing if you have any knowledge or familiarity whatsoever with this company? They are located in Greenville, SC. VP Sales & Marketing Thanks. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From char at themasterspress.com Tue Oct 2 15:53:34 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Tue Oct 2 15:56:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need printer in the UK Message-ID: <00c801c8052d$f2dbfdf0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Sorry for the cross posting here but need to find a printer in the UK to ask a big favor dealing with some paper. Potential good, new customer. Thanks. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Tue Oct 2 15:59:17 2007 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Tue Oct 2 16:01:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: 15% commission In-Reply-To: <014201c80524$5c330c30$14992490$@com> Message-ID: He would sell at OUR sell price, not his. Thanks John for the Dave Fellman study. In my gut, I kinda thought 15% was a bit of a bargain. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of John Henry Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 1:45 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: 15% commission Importance: High ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Mmmm some interesting view points. Dave Fellman did a study and the average salesperson "costs" 22% of a sale. This is when you add in his overhead and expenses. I would be concerned at the price he was selling at, not the 15%. I guess anyone unwilling to pay 15% would never hire a salesperson... John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.37/1042 - Release Date: 10/1/2007 6:59 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.37/1042 - Release Date: 10/1/2007 6:59 PM From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Tue Oct 2 16:23:15 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Tue Oct 2 16:25:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Competition from "Free Overnight Shipping!" Message-ID: Michael, thank you very much for that laugh. Sounds like an old competitor of mine in Whitestone, NY where he would give my customers 50% off of anything I priced and advertised it!. Yes he was out of business in 8 months. But, put a hurt on my bottom line during his stupidity of time. Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Tue Oct 2 16:28:56 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Tue Oct 2 16:30:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rhino-o-Tuff products Message-ID: In a message dated 10/1/2007 3:03:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kevin@proprinters.ca writes: http://www.rhin-o-tuff.com/spec.apes14.html I do have a Rhino-Tuff unit. And it's a work horse. I've also seen that particular unit working at the Expo. Wow, it would make production so much more faster. Still waiting for my brochures on that one. If you ask me......great addition to any bindery department. Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From ron at printingconcepts.com Tue Oct 2 17:06:44 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Tue Oct 2 17:01:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE Message-ID: Just fired a pretty bad news pressman that was here for 2 months. Just googled his name and up came a conviction for fraud, which brings up the question, why didn't we google him BEFORE we hired him? So, that brings up this subject which is, what would be a good checklist for hiring all prospects? 1. Driver's license check 2. Google 3. corroborate employment dates 4. Independent corroboration of skills or "what can we find out about this person beyond what he has told us". Anything else? Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "To each there comes in their lifetime a special moment when they are figuratively tapped on the shoulder and offered the chance to do a very special thing, unique to them and fitted to their talents. What a tragedy if that moment finds them unprepared or unqualified for that which could have been their finest hour." --Winston Churchill "When a nation has allowed itself to fall under a tyrannical regime, it cannot be absolved from the faults due to the guilt of the regime." --Winston Churchill Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From jcguysr at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 17:02:40 2007 From: jcguysr at gmail.com (Jerry Guy) Date: Tue Oct 2 17:03:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ever heard of this company? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3b2d44020710021402m5e79abc6i844a7cd2a084aafd@mail.gmail.com> We have used them several times and been very pleased with quality, price and delivery. They sell only to the trade and have very good CSR's. Jerry Guy, CAS AmeriServ, Inc. Hartsville, SC www.ameriservinc.biz 843-383-5156 jguy@ameriservinc.biz On 10/2/07, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Has anyone on this list ever heard of Growll.com which advertises itself > as > wholesale supplier of printing services? This is for internal research > purposes only, but I would appreciate knowing if you have any knowledge > or > familiarity whatsoever with this company? They are located in Greenville, > SC. > VP Sales & Marketing > > Thanks. > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From chris at illinoisprintingservices.com Tue Oct 2 17:11:07 2007 From: chris at illinoisprintingservices.com (Chris) Date: Tue Oct 2 17:12:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ever heard of this company? References: Message-ID: <010f01c80538$c1050be0$6800a8c0@ipsmachine> I think they are part of a much larger printer. Pricing was just OK. http://americanprinter.com/small-commercial-printers/printing_playing/ I have gotten burned by companies that have a retail divison JMO Chris Eckel Vice President Illinois Printing Services, Inc. P. O. Box 106 Sullivan, Illinois 61951 217.728.2786 FAX 728.2998 Cell 412-5051 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 2:52 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Ever heard of this company? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Has anyone on this list ever heard of Growll.com which advertises itself > as > wholesale supplier of printing services? This is for internal research > purposes only, but I would appreciate knowing if you have any knowledge > or > familiarity whatsoever with this company? They are located in Greenville, > SC. > VP Sales & Marketing > > Thanks. > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 17:18:39 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Oct 2 17:19:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Competition from "Free Overnight Shipping!" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0710021418j375c3c41jcafb1fea35b1cfbd@mail.gmail.com> On 10/2/07, VillagePrinting1@aol.com wrote: > > Sounds like an old competitor > of mine in Whitestone, NY where he would give my customers 50% off of > anything I priced and advertised it!. Yes he was out of business in 8 months. > But, put a hurt on my bottom line during his stupidity of time. Yeah. A friendly competitor and I used to commiserate about the local MinuteMan owner, whose prices were always at least 40% below ours. Not surprisingly, the guy wasn't paying his paper vendors. My competitor called me after losing a quote to this idiot one day and complained: "I've been counting the days til the SOB goes out of business, but I'm up to 600!" -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Tue Oct 2 17:32:28 2007 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Tue Oct 2 17:33:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 15% commission In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0710021207k3e198ec4x77af00134aeeea75@mail.gmail.com> References: <028401c80509$5f6ca7a0$1700a8c0@abf.local> <200710021559.l92Fx2cZ022056@i2bnetworks.com> <10305ED9-2900-4CEA-B209-372B3DEB8F17@inkonpaper.biz> <98f5b19a0710021207k3e198ec4x77af00134aeeea75@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I actually leave Saturday AM Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz On Oct 2, 2007, at 3:07 PM, Michael Vogel wrote: > Hey Loren, aren't you supposed to be in some Amazon jungle lodge? From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Tue Oct 2 18:19:04 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Tue Oct 2 18:21:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have the FSI Corp attorney run a public records check as well as credit check. This is authorized when the application is signed. I don't know what it costs, but it may be worthwhile to see if your local attorney will do this for a nominal fee. Is nominal fee and attorney an oxymoron? Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 4:07 PM To: printowners Cc: MYERS, DAVID Subject: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Just fired a pretty bad news pressman that was here for 2 months. Just googled his name and up came a conviction for fraud, which brings up the question, why didn't we google him BEFORE we hired him? So, that brings up this subject which is, what would be a good checklist for hiring all prospects? 1. Driver's license check 2. Google 3. corroborate employment dates 4. Independent corroboration of skills or "what can we find out about this person beyond what he has told us". Anything else? Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "To each there comes in their lifetime a special moment when they are figuratively tapped on the shoulder and offered the chance to do a very special thing, unique to them and fitted to their talents. What a tragedy if that moment finds them unprepared or unqualified for that which could have been their finest hour." --Winston Churchill "When a nation has allowed itself to fall under a tyrannical regime, it cannot be absolved from the faults due to the guilt of the regime." --Winston Churchill Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Oct 2 18:20:58 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Oct 2 18:24:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200710022223.l92MNSbo099508@i2bnetworks.com> myspace facebook S. At 02:06 PM 10/2/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Just fired a pretty bad news pressman that was here for 2 months. Just >googled his name and up came a conviction for fraud, which brings up the >question, why didn't we google him BEFORE we hired him? So, that brings up >this subject which is, what would be a good checklist for hiring all >prospects? > >1. Driver's license check >2. Google >3. corroborate employment dates >4. Independent corroboration of skills or "what can we find out about this >person beyond what he has told us". > >Anything else? > > > >Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below >should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a >statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general >edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. > >"To each there comes in their lifetime a special moment when they are >figuratively tapped on the shoulder and offered the chance to do a very >special thing, unique to them and fitted to their talents. What a tragedy >if that moment finds them unprepared or unqualified for that which could >have been their finest hour." --Winston Churchill > >"When a nation has allowed itself to fall under a tyrannical regime, it >cannot be absolved from the faults due to the guilt of the >regime." --Winston Churchill > > >Ron Taggart, President >PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. >4246 Hudson Drive >Stow, Ohio 44224 >330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 >www.printingconcepts.com >ron@printingconcepts.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2566 (20071002) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Tue Oct 2 18:35:15 2007 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Tue Oct 2 18:36:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: TG & Associates does a great job of performing these background checks for very nominals fees. They are active members of the association, although I forget the woman's name who owns the company. We've also used a local service from time to time for background checks. I think for somewhere in the range of $50-100, you'll get most everything you need to know. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Ron Taggart Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 4:07 PM To: printowners Cc: MYERS, DAVID Subject: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Just fired a pretty bad news pressman that was here for 2 months. Just googled his name and up came a conviction for fraud, which brings up the question, why didn't we google him BEFORE we hired him? So, that brings up this subject which is, what would be a good checklist for hiring all prospects? 1. Driver's license check 2. Google 3. corroborate employment dates 4. Independent corroboration of skills or "what can we find out about this person beyond what he has told us". Anything else? Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "To each there comes in their lifetime a special moment when they are figuratively tapped on the shoulder and offered the chance to do a very special thing, unique to them and fitted to their talents. What a tragedy if that moment finds them unprepared or unqualified for that which could have been their finest hour." --Winston Churchill "When a nation has allowed itself to fall under a tyrannical regime, it cannot be absolved from the faults due to the guilt of the regime." --Winston Churchill Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.37/1042 - Release Date: 10/1/2007 6:59 PM From printer at ptialaska.net Tue Oct 2 18:39:39 2007 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Tue Oct 2 18:40:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5CD8DB42-800A-406C-84F3-EE7FACC9344B@ptialaska.net> On Oct 2, 2007, at 1:06 PM, Ron Taggart wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Just fired a pretty bad news pressman that was here for 2 months. > Just > googled his name and up came a conviction for fraud, which brings > up the > question, why didn't we google him BEFORE we hired him? So, that > brings up > this subject which is, what would be a good checklist for hiring all > prospects? > > 1. Driver's license check > 2. Google > 3. corroborate employment dates > 4. Independent corroboration of skills or "what can we find out > about this > person beyond what he has told us". > > Anything else? REPLY: YES, search for a myspace page, it can be most revealing... _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 19:00:18 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Oct 2 19:01:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0710021600r6a3fcf7fu35492f0d90355986@mail.gmail.com> On 10/2/07, Bernard Bahn wrote: > > TG & Associates does a great job of performing these background checks for > very nominals fees. They are active members of the association, although I > forget the woman's name who owns the company. That would be Debra Thompson (and husband Bill Greif). -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From scott at usacolor.com Tue Oct 2 19:34:13 2007 From: scott at usacolor.com (scott) Date: Tue Oct 2 19:35:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE In-Reply-To: <5CD8DB42-800A-406C-84F3-EE7FACC9344B@ptialaska.net> References: <5CD8DB42-800A-406C-84F3-EE7FACC9344B@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: <4702D575.3080802@usacolor.com> we use www.publicdata.com along with google. Scott Balsiger, President USA Color Printing Inc. www.usacolor.com 791 Manhomen Dr. Bemidji, MN 56601 800-759-9126 218-759-9126 218-759-2883(fax) 218-556-5505(cell) Charles A. Lincoln wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > On Oct 2, 2007, at 1:06 PM, Ron Taggart wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Just fired a pretty bad news pressman that was here for 2 months. Just >> googled his name and up came a conviction for fraud, which brings up >> the >> question, why didn't we google him BEFORE we hired him? So, that >> brings up >> this subject which is, what would be a good checklist for hiring all >> prospects? >> >> 1. Driver's license check >> 2. Google >> 3. corroborate employment dates >> 4. Independent corroboration of skills or "what can we find out >> about this >> person beyond what he has told us". >> >> Anything else? > > > > > REPLY: > YES, search for a myspace page, it can be most revealing... > > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > Charles Lincoln > ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY > 612 30th Avenue > Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 > (907) 451-1111 > fax (907) 451-4511 > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From bill at werkheiser.com Tue Oct 2 20:18:27 2007 From: bill at werkheiser.com (Bill Werkheiser) Date: Tue Oct 2 20:19:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ever heard of this company? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4702DFD3.7010609@werkheiser.com> QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Has anyone on this list ever heard of Growll.com which advertises itself as > wholesale supplier of printing services? This is for internal research > purposes only, but I would appreciate knowing if you have any knowledge or > familiarity whatsoever with this company? They are located in Greenville, SC. > VP Sales & Marketing > > Thanks. > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2567 (20071002) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > -- Bill Werkheiser SE PrinTech, Inc. Coastal Mailing Services, Inc. http://WeLoveToPrint.com 315 E Banks Street - P O Box 27 Glennville, GA 30427 (912) 654-3610 voice (912) 654-3611 fax From myersandcollins at earthlink.net Wed Oct 3 00:08:38 2007 From: myersandcollins at earthlink.net (myersandcollins@earthlink.net) Date: Wed Oct 3 00:09:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Going Green Message-ID: <22572918.1191384518609.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Sorry for the late entry... At least in our market, Kalifornia, most all quote requests coming our way via Federal, State or County levels define offset, plain or opaque, that must be at least 30% recycled. Might be worth it to pursue the requirements. Sheet-Fed should be easy. I'm finding rolls are not so easy to come by, unless I order 10,000# at a time... HTH Flynn Myers River City Trade Printers, Inc. 2431 Mercantile Drive, #G Rancho Cordova, CA 95742 (916) 638-1400 -----Original Message----- >From: s polk >Sent: Oct 1, 2007 11:36 AM >To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >Subject: [PrintOwners] Going Green > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >Has anyone attended the Mac Paper sponsored Green Knowledge seminar? I hope it will be worthwhile to make a two hour drive over to Charlotte tomorrow. Environmental issues are finally getting some notice in our small community and I think we can develop some business opportunities as well as making a meaningful contribution toward the environment. > >Steve >Tryon, NC >_________________________________________________________________ >News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! >http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From villageprinting1 at aol.com Wed Oct 3 12:07:45 2007 From: villageprinting1 at aol.com (villageprinting1@aol.com) Date: Wed Oct 3 12:09:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ever heard of this company? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C9D3EEAB31118D-9B0-5851@WEBMAIL-DC12.sysops.aol.com> Hey John, I've received many promo's from this company.? Location which I run out of right now, use to be a mailbox & shipping location.? There still send it under that original name.? I've been on their site before, but don't see them as a threat! Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax www.printing-n-graphics.com -----Original Message----- From: QKCONSULT@aol.com To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 3:52 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] Ever heard of this company? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Has anyone on this list ever heard of Growll.com which advertises itself as wholesale supplier of printing services? This is for internal research purposes only, but I would appreciate knowing if you have any knowledge or familiarity whatsoever with this company? They are located in Greenville, SC. VP Sales & Marketing Thanks. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Oct 3 12:12:31 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Oct 3 12:19:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ever heard of this company? Message-ID: In a message dated 10/3/2007 12:10:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, villageprinting1@aol.com writes: I've been on their site before, but don't see them as a threat! My question wasn't addressed to whether they are a threat or not, but rather whether any companies on the list have had any direct dealings with them. Thanks for the response. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From billg at TGAssociates.com Wed Oct 3 12:50:34 2007 From: billg at TGAssociates.com (Bill Greif) Date: Wed Oct 3 12:52:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE In-Reply-To: <4702D575.3080802@usacolor.com> References: <5CD8DB42-800A-406C-84F3-EE7FACC9344B@ptialaska.net> <4702D575.3080802@usacolor.com> Message-ID: <00b101c805dd$84aa1730$6701a8c0@BILL> Ironically, if you use data that you find on MySpace or facelook or any other of these type of sources to not hire a candidate, you could be accused of discrimination. A lot of what people put on these sites is actually information you cannot ask of a candidate under the EEOC or ADA rules. If you are doing serious hiring, we recommend that you NOT research the applicant on these sites. Bill Greif TG & Associates billg@tgassociates.com www.tgassociates.com Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 Toll Free 877-842-7762 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of scott Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 4:34 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** we use www.publicdata.com along with google. Scott Balsiger, President USA Color Printing Inc. www.usacolor.com 791 Manhomen Dr. Bemidji, MN 56601 800-759-9126 218-759-9126 218-759-2883(fax) 218-556-5505(cell) Charles A. Lincoln wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > On Oct 2, 2007, at 1:06 PM, Ron Taggart wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Just fired a pretty bad news pressman that was here for 2 months. Just >> googled his name and up came a conviction for fraud, which brings up >> the >> question, why didn't we google him BEFORE we hired him? So, that >> brings up >> this subject which is, what would be a good checklist for hiring all >> prospects? >> >> 1. Driver's license check >> 2. Google >> 3. corroborate employment dates >> 4. Independent corroboration of skills or "what can we find out >> about this >> person beyond what he has told us". >> >> Anything else? > > > > > REPLY: > YES, search for a myspace page, it can be most revealing... > > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > Charles Lincoln > ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY > 612 30th Avenue > Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 > (907) 451-1111 > fax (907) 451-4511 > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Wed Oct 3 12:55:38 2007 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Wed Oct 3 12:58:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] imposition question Message-ID: We'll soon be involved in a bulk mail project with about 6000 names. Each receives 12 identical sheets, but that are unique to them (variable data). The sheet size is 4 1/4 x 5 1/2, so it's a perfect 4-up imposition on an 8 1/2 x 11. The best way to do this is to impose 4 different names on a sheet, and program the printer to print 12 sheets and then a slipsheet, until the job is complete. We'd like to to do this on the Xerox 6135. It looks as if Quite Imposing can't do this. Am I wrong? Any suggestions? thank you. (The Creo/iGen will do it, but I don't want to run this on the iGen. It's only black ink.) Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 13:15:18 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Oct 3 13:16:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] imposition question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0710031015y50188583q4be63c4279ffe9e7@mail.gmail.com> On 10/3/07, Bernard Bahn wrote: > > It looks as if > Quite Imposing can't do this. Am I wrong? Any suggestions? I'm not sure whether QI can do this or not. But if you have PrintShop Mail, this would be cake. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From printer at ptialaska.net Wed Oct 3 13:16:43 2007 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Wed Oct 3 13:17:35 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE In-Reply-To: <00b101c805dd$84aa1730$6701a8c0@BILL> References: <5CD8DB42-800A-406C-84F3-EE7FACC9344B@ptialaska.net> <4702D575.3080802@usacolor.com> <00b101c805dd$84aa1730$6701a8c0@BILL> Message-ID: <1B35E239-FB1D-4E28-9520-B3628D637524@ptialaska.net> On Oct 3, 2007, at 8:50 AM, Bill Greif wrote: > Ironically, if you use data that you find on MySpace or facelook or > any > other of these type of sources to not hire a candidate, you could > be accused > of discrimination. A lot of what people put on these sites is actually > information you cannot ask of a candidate under the EEOC or ADA > rules. If > you are doing serious hiring, we recommend that you NOT research the REPLY: Really, that is public information that they freely post. You cannot ask the candidate for that info, but they are free to tell you, and, unless their site is set to private it is public information, freely and voluntarily given. There is much on some peoples site that would not go against eeoc or ada rules, just common sense and decorum. When I do not hire someone I do not have to explain why. If I have ten applications and am only hiring one, I will pick the best one and let the others know they were not selected, that is all. Just my opinion... _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From liberty.printing at cox.net Wed Oct 3 13:36:48 2007 From: liberty.printing at cox.net (Tom Hodgkinson) Date: Wed Oct 3 13:37:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Recommendation for postscript printer Message-ID: <001401c805e3$fa1f75e0$6801a8c0@xppro> I was wondering if anyone could recommend a printer. It would need to be postscript level_3 and able to do 11x17. Hopefully in 1000-1400 dollar range, or less would be even better. Thanks Tom Hodgkinson Liberty Printing 401-828-0178 From john at printingplusinc.com Wed Oct 3 15:27:02 2007 From: john at printingplusinc.com (John Steffes) Date: Wed Oct 3 15:28:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] imposition question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20071003192723.A831130C2763@smtp29.dc2.safesecureweb.com> If you have Fusion Pro it can do it. Otherwise Indesign can do it in small batches. At 12:55 PM 10/3/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We'll soon be involved in a bulk mail project with about 6000 names. Each >receives 12 identical sheets, but that are unique to them (variable data). >The sheet size is 4 1/4 x 5 1/2, so it's a perfect 4-up imposition on an 8 >1/2 x 11. The best way to do this is to impose 4 different names on a sheet, >and program the printer to print 12 sheets and then a slipsheet, until the >job is complete. We'd like to to do this on the Xerox 6135. It looks as if >Quite Imposing can't do this. Am I wrong? Any suggestions? thank you. (The >Creo/iGen will do it, but I don't want to run this on the iGen. It's only >black ink.) > >Respectfully, > > >Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc >1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 > >Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | >bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com > >http://www.creativeimaginginc.com >Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners John Steffes Printing Plus Delray Beach, FL 561-272-3013 From John at mpcny.com Wed Oct 3 15:48:47 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Wed Oct 3 15:49:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: BURNT BY EMPLOYEE In-Reply-To: <20071003192851.AA79DBE320B@rb.enter.net> References: <20071003192851.AA79DBE320B@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <00de01c805f6$6a05d540$3e117fc0$@com> " Ironically, if you use data that you find on MySpace or facelook or any other of these type of sources to not hire a candidate, you could be accused of discrimination. A lot of what people put on these sites is actually information you cannot ask of a candidate under the EEOC or ADA rules. If you are doing serious hiring, we recommend that you NOT research the applicant on these sites.- Bill Greif" Note to self, use those sites; just do not in any way let them know you did not hire them based on that information. I also would guess if they are running an internet porn site or webcam that cannot be a reason to hire or not John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.39/1045 - Release Date: 10/2/2007 6:43 PM From robin at protypeonline.com Wed Oct 3 15:53:50 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed Oct 3 15:54:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE Message-ID: Bill, while I understand what you are saying, I believe negative information I found about a prospective employee on one of those sites would most likely prevent me from even interviewing them. And, if the information was found after an interview, I can't be sued because the other candidate was "better" -- better at what? Just all around better in my eyes. ? Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From billg at TGAssociates.com Wed Oct 3 15:57:38 2007 From: billg at TGAssociates.com (Bill Greif) Date: Wed Oct 3 15:58:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE In-Reply-To: <1B35E239-FB1D-4E28-9520-B3628D637524@ptialaska.net> References: <5CD8DB42-800A-406C-84F3-EE7FACC9344B@ptialaska.net><4702D575.3080802@usacolor.com><00b101c805dd$84aa1730$6701a8c0@BILL> <1B35E239-FB1D-4E28-9520-B3628D637524@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: <00e001c805f7$a6b09330$6701a8c0@BILL> I agree that you do not have to explain as long as you pick the best candidate. However, if you use any of the info that you got on MySpace or facelook or whatever as the basis for making your hiring decision, you can be accused of discrimination. Remember that you cannot use race, age, religion, national origin, sexual orientation or a disability as a basis for a hiring decision. Most of that info would be apparent on a MySpace page. To avoid any possible charge of impropriety in your decision, I still would encourage you not to look up your applicants on MySpace or whatever. Bill Greif TG & Associates billg@tgassociates.com www.tgassociates.com Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 Toll Free 877-842-7762 When I do not hire someone I do not have to explain why. If I have ten applications and am only hiring one, I will pick the best one and let the others know they were not selected, that is all. Just my opinion... _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Wed Oct 3 16:11:39 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed Oct 3 16:11:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Package from Des Plaines References: Message-ID: <056801c805f9$9bda7500$0300a8c0@DANIEL> We just got a package from NAQP with two Printing Excellence awards in it. If I'd know that, I might have gone to the conference. Not really, I just couldn't get away this year. But I assumed we hadn't won anything because they had let us know before the conference last time. Anyway, I'm proud. Now to write a news release. So who else won? I suppose that will be published eventually. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From cpurvine1 at cox.net Wed Oct 3 16:18:24 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Wed Oct 3 16:19:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Package from Des Plaines In-Reply-To: <056801c805f9$9bda7500$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <056801c805f9$9bda7500$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <001201c805fa$8d644220$6601a8c0@corapurvine> Congrats Dan!!!! Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:12 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Package from Des Plaines ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We just got a package from NAQP with two Printing Excellence awards in it. If I'd know that, I might have gone to the conference. Not really, I just couldn't get away this year. But I assumed we hadn't won anything because they had let us know before the conference last time. Anyway, I'm proud. Now to write a news release. So who else won? I suppose that will be published eventually. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2570 (20071003) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 16:27:24 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Oct 3 16:28:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Package from Des Plaines In-Reply-To: <056801c805f9$9bda7500$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <056801c805f9$9bda7500$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0710031327y45a512a8h65b167be6ee37444@mail.gmail.com> On 10/3/07, Dan Huntingford wrote: > > We just got a package from NAQP with two Printing Excellence awards in it. Congratulations Dan!!! -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed Oct 3 16:45:13 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed Oct 3 16:48:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Package from Des Plaines In-Reply-To: <056801c805f9$9bda7500$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <056801c805f9$9bda7500$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <200710032047.l93KljIx095866@i2bnetworks.com> I won 4 last year and didn't find out for a month and a half, so don't worry you aren't alone. In all fairness, they do a great job with this, its just a lot for Christina to handle by herself, and do the hundreds of other things she's responsible for. We took a first this year in the digital/toner based category on a "supposedly POS" C500. Well have at it again next year with a 6500 this time..... Congratulations Dan.... run with it. S. At 01:11 PM 10/3/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We just got a package from NAQP with two Printing Excellence awards >in it. If I'd know that, I might have gone to the conference. Not >really, I just couldn't get away this year. But I assumed we hadn't >won anything because they had let us know before the conference last time. >Anyway, I'm proud. >Now to write a news release. > >So who else won? I suppose that will be published eventually. > >Dan Huntingford >SOS Printing >2319 Washington Street >Port Townsend, WA 98368 >sos@olympus.net >(360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2570 (20071003) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From info at ospdirect.com Wed Oct 3 16:48:03 2007 From: info at ospdirect.com (One Source Printing) Date: Wed Oct 3 16:49:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE References: <5CD8DB42-800A-406C-84F3-EE7FACC9344B@ptialaska.net><4702D575.3080802@usacolor.com><00b101c805dd$84aa1730$6701a8c0@BILL><1B35E239-FB1D-4E28-9520-B3628D637524@ptialaska.net> <00e001c805f7$a6b09330$6701a8c0@BILL> Message-ID: <003201c805fe$b1d97630$0f24230a@charles> Bill -- With all due respect, you get what you inspect, not what you expect. When you hire an individual, you are obviously looking for capability to perform the task. I think we would all agree, that all of our employees represent our firms in some capacity. Therefore, information regarding the persons character/reputation becomes an essential hiring criteria. If information regarding an applicant can be had via a public website of the applicants creation, then it should be mine to consider. Closed networks are another matter. If the applicant doesn't want personal information they post to be considered, they perhaps the applicant should not post in a public forum. Charles Corn One Source Printing and Graphics 713-686-9777 . 713-686-8188 Fax 5810 Dierker Drive . Houston, Texas 77041 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Greif" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 2:57 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I agree that you do not have to explain as long as you pick the best > candidate. > > However, if you use any of the info that you got on MySpace or facelook or > whatever as the basis for making your hiring decision, you can be accused > of > discrimination. Remember that you cannot use race, age, religion, national > origin, sexual orientation or a disability as a basis for a hiring > decision. > Most of that info would be apparent on a MySpace page. > > To avoid any possible charge of impropriety in your decision, I still > would > encourage you not to look up your applicants on MySpace or whatever. > > Bill Greif > TG & Associates > billg@tgassociates.com > www.tgassociates.com > Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 > Toll Free 877-842-7762 > > When I do not hire someone I do not have to explain why. If I have ten > applications and am only hiring one, I will pick the best one and let the > others know they were not selected, that is all. > > Just my opinion... > > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > Charles Lincoln > ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY > 612 30th Avenue > Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 > (907) 451-1111 > fax (907) 451-4511 > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From stumarty at wrightprinting.com Wed Oct 3 16:54:17 2007 From: stumarty at wrightprinting.com (Stu) Date: Wed Oct 3 16:54:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE In-Reply-To: <00e001c805f7$a6b09330$6701a8c0@BILL> References: <5CD8DB42-800A-406C -84F3-EE7FACC9344B@ptialaska.net><4702D575.3080802@usacolor.com><00b101c80 5dd$84aa1730$6701a8c0@BILL> <1B35E239-FB1D-4E28-9520-B3628D637524@ptialaska.net> <00e001c805f7$a6b09330$6701a8c0@BILL> Message-ID: On or about 12:57 PM -0700 10/3/07, Bill Greif emailed the following: >Remember that you cannot use race, age, religion, national >origin, sexual orientation or a disability as a basis for a hiring decision. Isn't it odd that all of those have been serious considerations for whether we choose to elect someone for the job of president (USA)? As a matter of fact, two of those may legally disqualify a candidate. I'm not wishing to start any controversy, or political debate, just pointing out the irony. -just old stu- -- =============== SETTING IT WRIGHT: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - David Rice Atchison was the twelfth president of the United States. No, really! He really was...honest! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wright Printing Co. -- Central Illinois' biggest little print shop. 203 North St., Normal, IL 61761 309 452-4409 Fax 452-7422 Personal Mobile Phone: 309 826-1132 (Stu) mailto:stu@wrightprinting.com - http://www.wrightprinting.com From billg at TGAssociates.com Wed Oct 3 16:59:06 2007 From: billg at TGAssociates.com (Bill Greif) Date: Wed Oct 3 16:59:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00e701c80600$3ce66d40$6701a8c0@BILL> Robin, The criteria for making a hiring decision must be what is critical based on the nature of the job. Most of the antidiscrimination guidelines relate to those things which are not considered critical to performing the job and yet are unfortunately often used by some hiring managers to make their choice. "Better" means which of the applicants best measures up against the legitimate criteria for the position. The data that you see on MySpace that you consider "negative" might be considered by others as discrimination. Bill Greif TG & Associates billg@tgassociates.com www.tgassociates.com Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 Toll Free 877-842-7762 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:54 PM To: printowners printowners Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Bill, while I understand what you are saying, I believe negative information I found about a prospective employee on one of those sites would most likely prevent me from even interviewing them. And, if the information was found after an interview, I can't be sued because the other candidate was "better" -- better at what? Just all around better in my eyes. ? Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From char at themasterspress.com Wed Oct 3 17:01:41 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Wed Oct 3 17:05:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Package from Des Plaines In-Reply-To: <200710032047.l93KljIx095866@i2bnetworks.com> References: <056801c805f9$9bda7500$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <200710032047.l93KljIx095866@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <015c01c80600$a1a1c7c0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> There were a lot of great winners with some awesome competition. Had a lot of list members winning, they just haven't said anything. I did get an email the week before telling me I had won third place in the digital-toner based and I also ran it on a C500. It was a nice piece that really turned out fabulous on the Konica. Got my award today also. There was a glitch in the shipping and some of the awards did not get to the conference in time so it threw things into a tailspin which they handled beautifully. No one even knew. I am sure it will be in the newsletters and also the Quick Print Magazine. We have some incredible printers out there and it was impressive to look at the pieces that took away the winnings. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:45 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Package from Des Plaines ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I won 4 last year and didn't find out for a month and a half, so don't worry you aren't alone. In all fairness, they do a great job with this, its just a lot for Christina to handle by herself, and do the hundreds of other things she's responsible for. We took a first this year in the digital/toner based category on a "supposedly POS" C500. Well have at it again next year with a 6500 this time..... Congratulations Dan.... run with it. S. At 01:11 PM 10/3/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We just got a package from NAQP with two Printing Excellence awards >in it. If I'd know that, I might have gone to the conference. Not >really, I just couldn't get away this year. But I assumed we hadn't >won anything because they had let us know before the conference last time. >Anyway, I'm proud. >Now to write a news release. > >So who else won? I suppose that will be published eventually. > >Dan Huntingford >SOS Printing >2319 Washington Street >Port Townsend, WA 98368 >sos@olympus.net >(360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2570 (20071003) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From billg at TGAssociates.com Wed Oct 3 17:18:22 2007 From: billg at TGAssociates.com (Bill Greif) Date: Wed Oct 3 17:19:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE In-Reply-To: <003201c805fe$b1d97630$0f24230a@charles> References: <5CD8DB42-800A-406C-84F3-EE7FACC9344B@ptialaska.net><4702D575.3080802@usacolor.com><00b101c805dd$84aa1730$6701a8c0@BILL><1B35E239-FB1D-4E28-9520-B3628D637524@ptialaska.net><00e001c805f7$a6b09330$6701a8c0@BILL> <003201c805fe$b1d97630$0f24230a@charles> Message-ID: <00e801c80602$edd15780$6701a8c0@BILL> Charles, There are legitimate ways to do background and reference checks to determine the information that you need. We recommend that you do both of those things before you make a final hire. But both of those require that the applicant is aware that you are doing those things and agrees to let you do them. For example, you must have a signed release to do a background check. Of course, if they refuse to sign it then you have a legitimate basis for not hiring. The issue I am trying to address is the use of "public forums" to gather information which can be considered discriminatory in hiring and then using that information to make your decision. As a business owner you have the duty to select employees who can perform the job functions and properly represent your company. My point is that there are legitimate ways to go about making that choice. But you must make those choices while respecting fully the rights of the applicant. The fact that they have a MySpace page where they have placed personal information such as age and race and sexual orientation does not give you the right to use that data to not select them. Bill Greif TG & Associates billg@tgassociates.com www.tgassociates.com Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 Toll Free 877-842-7762 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of One Source Printing Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:48 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Bill -- With all due respect, you get what you inspect, not what you expect. When you hire an individual, you are obviously looking for capability to perform the task. I think we would all agree, that all of our employees represent our firms in some capacity. Therefore, information regarding the persons character/reputation becomes an essential hiring criteria. If information regarding an applicant can be had via a public website of the applicants creation, then it should be mine to consider. Closed networks are another matter. If the applicant doesn't want personal information they post to be considered, they perhaps the applicant should not post in a public forum. Charles Corn One Source Printing and Graphics 713-686-9777 . 713-686-8188 Fax 5810 Dierker Drive . Houston, Texas 77041 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Greif" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 2:57 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I agree that you do not have to explain as long as you pick the best > candidate. > > However, if you use any of the info that you got on MySpace or facelook or > whatever as the basis for making your hiring decision, you can be accused > of > discrimination. Remember that you cannot use race, age, religion, national > origin, sexual orientation or a disability as a basis for a hiring > decision. > Most of that info would be apparent on a MySpace page. > > To avoid any possible charge of impropriety in your decision, I still > would > encourage you not to look up your applicants on MySpace or whatever. > > Bill Greif > TG & Associates > billg@tgassociates.com > www.tgassociates.com > Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 > Toll Free 877-842-7762 > > When I do not hire someone I do not have to explain why. If I have ten > applications and am only hiring one, I will pick the best one and let the > others know they were not selected, that is all. > > Just my opinion... > > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > Charles Lincoln > ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY > 612 30th Avenue > Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 > (907) 451-1111 > fax (907) 451-4511 > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dvmonto at optonline.net Wed Oct 3 17:29:05 2007 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Wed Oct 3 17:30:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE In-Reply-To: <00e001c805f7$a6b09330$6701a8c0@BILL> Message-ID: On 10/3/07 3:57 PM, "Bill Greif" wrote: > To avoid any possible charge of impropriety in your decision, I still would > encourage you not to look up your applicants on MySpace or whatever. And how are they going to find out I looked them up? I will not divulge that information. If I say the position has been filled by someone else, what does it matter why? -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net www.sirspeedy.com/wappingersfalls Debts can be chains, best used when they can haul you to new heights, rather than entangle your legs. It?s the same with possessions. "Man doesn?t possess possessions: they possess us". --Pete Seeger From bnjbriggs at juno.com Wed Oct 3 17:43:43 2007 From: bnjbriggs at juno.com (bnjbriggs@juno.com) Date: Wed Oct 3 17:46:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fw: Ads Placing... Message-ID: <20071003.174343.25699.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Maybe this has been mentioned before, but has anybody else been getting messages like this one? I have gotten a number of them every week. I haven't replied to them for fear of getting into trouble. Bob Briggs, Evangel Printers, Bucksport, Maine ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Hello, My name is Nicholas Andrew , I will Like to post an ads on SALES, ACCOUNTANT REPRESENTATIVE. I want my advert for publication as written below : ============================================================= Simply Sensual Wears Store is looking for part time Work .A account managers and sales representatives, we pays $3200 a month plus.Please contact us for more details. Requirements - 1).A computer Literate: 2).CV: 3).22 Years above. If you are interested and need more information, send e-mail to ( simplyandsensual@excite.com ) ============================================================== I want you to get back to me with the Place Advert for "6weeks". Nicholas Andrew _____________________________________________________________ Click to become a master chef, own a restaurant and make millions. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifUM76ep1mOj1WwaL54r6x7acezA6J1q5q6dq5dm5LAHHpSs/ From info at ospdirect.com Wed Oct 3 17:54:32 2007 From: info at ospdirect.com (One Source Printing) Date: Wed Oct 3 17:55:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE References: <5CD8DB42-800A-406C-84F3-EE7FACC9344B@ptialaska.net><4702D575.3080802@usacolor.com><00b101c805dd$84aa1730$6701a8c0@BILL><1B35E239-FB1D-4E28-9520-B3628D637524@ptialaska.net><00e001c805f7$a6b09330$6701a8c0@BILL><003201c805fe$b1d97630$0f24230a@charles> <00e801c80602$edd15780$6701a8c0@BILL> Message-ID: <002301c80607$fb70cab0$0f24230a@charles> Bill-- Would you agree, if they have placed on their myspace that they are members of NAMBLA or members of the church choir or photos of themselves "enjoying herbal refreshments" you could use that as part of your hiring decision. Certainly, you would agree there is other information there than that could be used in a non discriminatory manner. Wouldn't you want to know before you extend he offer? Why on earth would you not avail yourself of all information available when making a hiring decision. Especially information the applicant freely post about themselves on the world wide web. Isn't hiring a discriminatory process anyway? You just not supposed to use criteria that is prohibited by law. ie. gender, age, race, etc. Honestly, how would they know you looked them up in the first place? Charles Corn One Source Printing and Graphics 713-686-9777 . 713-686-8188 Fax 5810 Dierker Drive . Houston, Texas 77041 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Greif" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 4:18 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Charles, > > There are legitimate ways to do background and reference checks to > determine > the information that you need. We recommend that you do both of those > things > before you make a final hire. But both of those require that the applicant > is aware that you are doing those things and agrees to let you do them. > For > example, you must have a signed release to do a background check. Of > course, > if they refuse to sign it then you have a legitimate basis for not hiring. > > The issue I am trying to address is the use of "public forums" to gather > information which can be considered discriminatory in hiring and then > using > that information to make your decision. > > As a business owner you have the duty to select employees who can perform > the job functions and properly represent your company. My point is that > there are legitimate ways to go about making that choice. But you must > make > those choices while respecting fully the rights of the applicant. The fact > that they have a MySpace page where they have placed personal information > such as age and race and sexual orientation does not give you the right to > use that data to not select them. > > Bill Greif > TG & Associates > billg@tgassociates.com > www.tgassociates.com > Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 > Toll Free 877-842-7762 > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of One Source Printing > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:48 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Bill -- > > With all due respect, you get what you inspect, not what you expect. > > When you hire an individual, you are obviously looking for capability to > perform the task. > I think we would all agree, that all of our employees represent our firms > in > some capacity. Therefore, information regarding the persons > character/reputation becomes an essential hiring criteria. > > If information regarding an applicant can be had via a public website of > the > applicants creation, then it should be mine to consider. Closed networks > are > another matter. > > If the applicant doesn't want personal information they post to be > considered, they perhaps the applicant should not post in a public forum. > > Charles Corn > > One Source Printing and Graphics > 713-686-9777 . 713-686-8188 Fax > 5810 Dierker Drive . Houston, Texas 77041 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Greif" > To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 2:57 PM > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I agree that you do not have to explain as long as you pick the best >> candidate. >> >> However, if you use any of the info that you got on MySpace or facelook >> or >> whatever as the basis for making your hiring decision, you can be accused >> of >> discrimination. Remember that you cannot use race, age, religion, >> national >> origin, sexual orientation or a disability as a basis for a hiring >> decision. >> Most of that info would be apparent on a MySpace page. >> >> To avoid any possible charge of impropriety in your decision, I still >> would >> encourage you not to look up your applicants on MySpace or whatever. >> >> Bill Greif >> TG & Associates >> billg@tgassociates.com >> www.tgassociates.com >> Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 >> Toll Free 877-842-7762 >> >> When I do not hire someone I do not have to explain why. If I have ten >> applications and am only hiring one, I will pick the best one and let the >> others know they were not selected, that is all. >> >> Just my opinion... >> >> >> _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ >> >> Charles Lincoln >> ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY >> 612 30th Avenue >> Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 >> (907) 451-1111 >> fax (907) 451-4511 >> >> _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From billg at TGAssociates.com Wed Oct 3 18:20:30 2007 From: billg at TGAssociates.com (Bill Greif) Date: Wed Oct 3 18:21:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE In-Reply-To: <002301c80607$fb70cab0$0f24230a@charles> References: <5CD8DB42-800A-406C-84F3-EE7FACC9344B@ptialaska.net><4702D575.3080802@usacolor.com><00b101c805dd$84aa1730$6701a8c0@BILL><1B35E239-FB1D-4E28-9520-B3628D637524@ptialaska.net><00e001c805f7$a6b09330$6701a8c0@BILL><003201c805fe$b1d97630$0f24230a@charles><00e801c80602$edd15780$6701a8c0@BILL> <002301c80607$fb70cab0$0f24230a@charles> Message-ID: <010c01c8060b$9bfff930$6701a8c0@BILL> Charles, We can debate this forever. Your example of the church choir is one that is discriminatory because you cannot select on the basis of religion. If you use that knowledge to non select the candidate you have discriminated; if you select that person over another candidate who was not on MySpace in a church choir then you have discriminated. Comparisons of candidates must be an apples to apples comparison against the job critical functions and qualifications. Did you include a requirement to have a MySpace page as part of the position qualifications? If you didn't then it has no bearing on the hiring decision. I will state again that my goal was to keep owners and managers out of trouble. If you disclose by intent or by accident that your hiring decision was impacted by something you should not have asked about, then the lawyers will come see you. Sure, every hiring decision is discriminating because you are looking for the best person to fill your important job function and your team. But that discrimination has to be based on the critical job functions. If you have read any of our books or articles, then you know we encourage a very disciplined process to find out everything you can before you make a hiring decision. However, all of the inquiries and assessments must apply equally to all candidates and they must be directly relatable to the job function. What does being in a choir have to do with being a press operator? I know that we can all make our decisions on these matters and keep our reasons for that decision private. We only have to tell the candidates we found somebody better qualified and thank them for their time. However, I continue to marvel at what hiring managers will tell applicants. I encourage you once again to follow a fair and equitable, disciplined and legal process to find your top performers. Bill Greif TG & Associates billg@tgassociates.com www.tgassociates.com Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 Toll Free 877-842-7762 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of One Source Printing Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 2:55 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Bill-- Would you agree, if they have placed on their myspace that they are members of NAMBLA or members of the church choir or photos of themselves "enjoying herbal refreshments" you could use that as part of your hiring decision. Certainly, you would agree there is other information there than that could be used in a non discriminatory manner. Wouldn't you want to know before you extend he offer? Why on earth would you not avail yourself of all information available when making a hiring decision. Especially information the applicant freely post about themselves on the world wide web. Isn't hiring a discriminatory process anyway? You just not supposed to use criteria that is prohibited by law. ie. gender, age, race, etc. Honestly, how would they know you looked them up in the first place? Charles Corn One Source Printing and Graphics 713-686-9777 . 713-686-8188 Fax 5810 Dierker Drive . Houston, Texas 77041 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Greif" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 4:18 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Charles, > > There are legitimate ways to do background and reference checks to > determine > the information that you need. We recommend that you do both of those > things > before you make a final hire. But both of those require that the applicant > is aware that you are doing those things and agrees to let you do them. > For > example, you must have a signed release to do a background check. Of > course, > if they refuse to sign it then you have a legitimate basis for not hiring. > > The issue I am trying to address is the use of "public forums" to gather > information which can be considered discriminatory in hiring and then > using > that information to make your decision. > > As a business owner you have the duty to select employees who can perform > the job functions and properly represent your company. My point is that > there are legitimate ways to go about making that choice. But you must > make > those choices while respecting fully the rights of the applicant. The fact > that they have a MySpace page where they have placed personal information > such as age and race and sexual orientation does not give you the right to > use that data to not select them. > > Bill Greif > TG & Associates > billg@tgassociates.com > www.tgassociates.com > Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 > Toll Free 877-842-7762 > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of One Source Printing > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:48 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Bill -- > > With all due respect, you get what you inspect, not what you expect. > > When you hire an individual, you are obviously looking for capability to > perform the task. > I think we would all agree, that all of our employees represent our firms > in > some capacity. Therefore, information regarding the persons > character/reputation becomes an essential hiring criteria. > > If information regarding an applicant can be had via a public website of > the > applicants creation, then it should be mine to consider. Closed networks > are > another matter. > > If the applicant doesn't want personal information they post to be > considered, they perhaps the applicant should not post in a public forum. > > Charles Corn > > One Source Printing and Graphics > 713-686-9777 . 713-686-8188 Fax > 5810 Dierker Drive . Houston, Texas 77041 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Greif" > To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 2:57 PM > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I agree that you do not have to explain as long as you pick the best >> candidate. >> >> However, if you use any of the info that you got on MySpace or facelook >> or >> whatever as the basis for making your hiring decision, you can be accused >> of >> discrimination. Remember that you cannot use race, age, religion, >> national >> origin, sexual orientation or a disability as a basis for a hiring >> decision. >> Most of that info would be apparent on a MySpace page. >> >> To avoid any possible charge of impropriety in your decision, I still >> would >> encourage you not to look up your applicants on MySpace or whatever. >> >> Bill Greif >> TG & Associates >> billg@tgassociates.com >> www.tgassociates.com >> Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 >> Toll Free 877-842-7762 >> >> When I do not hire someone I do not have to explain why. If I have ten >> applications and am only hiring one, I will pick the best one and let the >> others know they were not selected, that is all. >> >> Just my opinion... >> >> >> _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ >> >> Charles Lincoln >> ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY >> 612 30th Avenue >> Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 >> (907) 451-1111 >> fax (907) 451-4511 >> >> _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 18:31:00 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Oct 3 18:31:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fw: Ads Placing... In-Reply-To: <20071003.174343.25699.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> References: <20071003.174343.25699.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0710031531s3858303t84e1f0e58f527e2e@mail.gmail.com> On 10/3/07, bnjbriggs@juno.com wrote: > > Maybe this has been mentioned before, but has anybody else been getting messages like this one? I have gotten a number of them every week. I haven't replied to them for fear of getting into trouble. > Bob Briggs, I'm really interested in *how* you would reply -- what is it that you really want to say? -- if you weren't afraid of "getting in trouble." -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From rick at jmjprinting.com Thu Oct 4 04:59:56 2007 From: rick at jmjprinting.com (Rick Foster) Date: Thu Oct 4 04:56:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE In-Reply-To: <010c01c8060b$9bfff930$6701a8c0@BILL> References: <5CD8DB42-800A-406C -84F3-EE7FACC9344B@ptialaska.net><4702D575.3080802@usacolor.com><00b101c80 5dd$84aa1730$6701a8c0@BILL><1B35E239-FB1D-4E28-9520-B3628D637524@ptialaska .net><00e001c805f7$a6b09330$6701a8c0@BILL><003201c805fe$b1d97630$0f24230a@ charles><00e801c80602$edd15780$6701a8c0@BILL> <002301c80607$fb70cab0$0f24230a@charles> <010c01c8060b$9bfff930$6701a8c0@BILL> Message-ID: In reference to the message sent by Bill Greif, on 10/3/07, at 3:20 PM -0700: >What does being in a choir have to do with being a press operator? Silly nit picking example. A press operator should be hired for their knowledge and skill of operating a press. As long as they don't have green hair, spiked metal protruding from their face, take a bath once in a while, wear clothes that doesn't show 6 inched of their boxers, and can speak without cussing every other word. -- Rick _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Rick B. Foster JMJ Printing Co. LLC - Snohomish, WA mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com http://www.jmjprinting.com 425.334.9716 Your Full Service Print Shop 425.397.9716 Fax We Appreciate Your Business! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From k_graham at hotmail.com Thu Oct 4 11:00:23 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Thu Oct 4 11:02:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE References: <5CD8DB42-800A-406C-84F3-EE7FACC9344B@ptialaska.net><4702D575.3080802@usacolor.com><00b101c805dd$84aa1730$6701a8c0@BILL><1B35E239-FB1D-4E28-9520-B3628D637524@ptialaska.net><00e001c805f7$a6b09330$6701a8c0@BILL><003201c805fe$b1d97630$0f24230a@charles><00e801c80602$edd15780$6701a8c0@BILL><002301c80607$fb70cab0$0f24230a@charles><010c01c8060b$9bfff930$6701a8c0@BILL> Message-ID: > > Silly nit picking example. A press operator should be hired for their > knowledge and skill of operating a press. As long as they don't have green > hair, spiked metal protruding from their face,, wear clothes that doesn't > show 6 inched of their boxers, I might allow the above - IF they could read. Talk about a shortage of Qualified workers these days. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 Dawson Creek BC Canada V1G 2G5 From inkyhand at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 11:20:21 2007 From: inkyhand at gmail.com (Ron Livingston) Date: Thu Oct 4 11:21:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Recommendation for postscript printer In-Reply-To: <001401c805e3$fa1f75e0$6801a8c0@xppro> References: <001401c805e3$fa1f75e0$6801a8c0@xppro> Message-ID: <5c2107b30710040820t12eeb6eepceb9c88999177336@mail.gmail.com> We are using a HP5000 printer & have had very good results from it. We use it for proofs & laser plates. It has a 1200 x 1200 dpi with their ProRes technology. I think the newest series in that family is the 5200. The only problem that crops up with it is the postscript is emulated instead of true Adobe. It bites us maybe 2 or 3 times a year. We also have other true Adobe postscript printers that we can use when this happens. hth Ron On 10/3/07, Tom Hodgkinson wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I was wondering if anyone could recommend a printer. It would need to be > postscript level_3 and able to do 11x17. Hopefully in 1000-1400 dollar > range, or less would be even better. > > Thanks > > Tom Hodgkinson > Liberty Printing > 401-828-0178 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Ron Livingston Cornerstone Press 1228 Scyene, Suite 117 Mesquite, TX 75149 (972) 285-4670 From kellycrom at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 12:38:30 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Thu Oct 4 12:46:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printing CD/DVD - what do you charge? Message-ID: <00ef01c806a5$00eb24c0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> We have a couple inkjet printers that can print directly on the face of CD/DVDs. I haven't really offered this to customers (yet), but for those of you who might, what are you charging your customers for printing them(most likely in quantities of 10 or less, but probably no more than 50 at a time). Thanks, Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Thu Oct 4 13:13:56 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Thu Oct 4 13:10:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE In-Reply-To: <20071004160003.E11F9BE5CBF@rb.enter.net> References: <20071004160003.E11F9BE5CBF@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: > We can debate this forever..... However, I continue to marvel at what > hiring managers will tell applicants. And what applicants will tell the hiring manager....I just chat away in a friendly manner with the applicant. Here is one interview conversation. Q: Why did you leave your last job? A: Well, I had to sue him. Q: Oh dear! Why was that? A: Well, I fell off the back dock and injured myself. I'm on Workman's Comp. Q: That's awful. How did that happen? A: My boss told me not to go onto the back dock and I went there anyway...... (I have forgotten the reason given) Q: Well, I'm sure your wife is helping...... A: Oh no, she can't. She's on Workman's Comp too. She had to sue her employer... Q: That's just terrible that you both have suffered so. Now tell me about your skills.... Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com Thu Oct 4 13:30:48 2007 From: kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com (Kirk Squiers) Date: Thu Oct 4 13:31:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Becoming a Union Shop Message-ID: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111D63D@fpserver.FP.local> I am located in city that has an 80% democratic voting population. This is driven by the fact that the UAW has been here for 50+ years providing jobs. Although I disagree philosophically with Unions and what they represent, I have been approached by some candidates and elected officials to look into becoming a UNION shop. There are none within the City Limits and they feel I can make a lot of money doing printing with the Union bug. Does anyone have knowledge on how to begin this process? Any comments on pros and cons? I am a 6 person shop with 2 operators. Is it possible to even get Union status with so few employees? Is there a possibility of hiring Union operators from other companies to come into my shop and print the materials with my equipment? Kirk K. Squiers Central Michigan Graphics 1200 E. Oakland Lansing, Michigan 48906 www.centralmichigangraphics.com 517-230-8600 kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com From russ at mobile-print.com Thu Oct 4 14:33:54 2007 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Thu Oct 4 13:37:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE In-Reply-To: <00e701c80600$3ce66d40$6701a8c0@BILL> References: <00e701c80600$3ce66d40$6701a8c0@BILL> Message-ID: <47053212.40500@mobile-print.com> > The data that you see on MySpace that you consider "negative" might be > considered by others as discrimination. > > And may be considered by others as positive! Many things are very subjective... Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847-398-6155 Fax: 847-398-0788 From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Thu Oct 4 13:49:17 2007 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Thu Oct 4 13:50:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Becoming a Union Shop In-Reply-To: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111D63D@fpserver.FP.local> References: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111D63D@fpserver.FP.local> Message-ID: <4705279D.7050600@satx.rr.com> Just sitting here being thankful I live in aright to work state. I would close the doors before I let a Union in this place. I manged a union shop once for 6 weeks. That's all the union BS I could stomach. If I heard "that's not in the union's job description once more I'd have had to hurt someone. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Kirk Squiers wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am located in city that has an 80% democratic voting population. This > is driven by the fact that the UAW has been here for 50+ years providing > jobs. Although I disagree philosophically with Unions and what they > represent, I have been approached by some candidates and elected > officials to look into becoming a UNION shop. There are none within the > City Limits and they feel I can make a lot of money doing printing with > the Union bug. Does anyone have knowledge on how to begin this process? > Any comments on pros and cons? I am a 6 person shop with 2 operators. Is > it possible to even get Union status with so few employees? Is there a > possibility of hiring Union operators from other companies to come into > my shop and print the materials with my equipment? > > Kirk K. Squiers > From sos at olympus.net Thu Oct 4 13:51:56 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu Oct 4 13:52:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Becoming a Union Shop References: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111D63D@fpserver.FP.local> Message-ID: <008201c806af$414ae550$0300a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Squiers" >I have been approached by some candidates and elected officials to look into becoming a UNION shop. There are none within the City Limits and they feel I can make a lot of money doing printing with the Union bug. Does anyone have knowledge on how to begin this process? Any comments on pros and cons? I am a 6 person shop with 2 operators. Is it possible to even get Union status with so few employees? Is there a possibility of hiring Union operators from other companies to come into my shop and print the materials with my equipment? ======================== I've heard that same song. It's such a scam. You should become Forestry Stewardship Council Certified, then you'd get all this printing. . . You should join the Chamber, then you'd get all this printing. . .You should pay protection to the mafia, than you'd get all this printing. I personally, would not let a union take over my shop on the off chance I'd get to print for politicians. But I really don't know much about it. I do think Unions have their place, I was a Union member at one time in my life. But not in a small 6 person printshop. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From villageprinting1 at aol.com Thu Oct 4 14:24:37 2007 From: villageprinting1 at aol.com (villageprinting1@aol.com) Date: Thu Oct 4 14:25:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Becoming a Union Shop In-Reply-To: <008201c806af$414ae550$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111D63D@fpserver.FP.local> <008201c806af$414ae550$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <8C9D4CAF4AAA893-85C-1DAA@mblk-d10.sysops.aol.com> I have never been in a Union nor do I care to.? But once you become one you are no longer in control of your destiny.? Your employees will become your boss.? I remember when I had my first shop in Whitestone, Queens.? I wont say which Union, but I was approached by a Union of a certain industry that wanted me to do a lot ?of their printing work.? Why you asked.? Cause most Union shops charge so much for their services that they price themselves out of orders.? And this is a fact that you will deal with.? Oh yeah!? I have a bridge for sale! Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax www.printing-n-graphics.com -----Original Message----- From: Dan Huntingford To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 1:51 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Becoming a Union Shop ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Squiers" ? >I have been approached by some candidates and elected? officials to look into becoming a UNION shop. There are none within the? City Limits and they feel I can make a lot of money doing printing with? the Union bug. Does anyone have knowledge on how to begin this process?? Any comments on pros and cons? I am a 6 person shop with 2 operators. Is? it possible to even get Union status with so few employees? Is there a? possibility of hiring Union operators from other companies to come into? my shop and print the materials with my equipment?? ========================? ? I've heard that same song. It's such a scam. You should become Forestry Stewardship Council Certified, then you'd get all this printing. . . You should join the Chamber, then you'd get all this printing. . .You should pay protection to the mafia, than you'd get all this printing.? I personally, would not let a union take over my shop on the off chance I'd get to print for politicians. But I really don't know much about it. I do think Unions have their place, I was a Union member at one time in my life. But not in a small 6 person printshop.? ? Dan Huntingford? SOS Printing? 2319 Washington Street? Port Townsend, WA 98368? sos@olympus.net? (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From mitch at mitchevansconsulting.com Thu Oct 4 14:38:29 2007 From: mitch at mitchevansconsulting.com (Mitch Evans) Date: Thu Oct 4 14:39:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Becoming a Union Shop In-Reply-To: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111D63D@fpserver.FP.local> Message-ID: <006101c806b5$c2a57650$6a01a8c0@Y765TJ> I have a client (and a member of this list) who is a union shop -- he went with them a few years ago and it has worked out well for him and his operation. There are some advantages as an employer. Some jobs (not only political ones) go only to union shops. His shop is about twice your size. Contact me if you want his contact info or speak further. Mitch Mitch Evans Mitch Evans Consulting & The Next Level Group 168 E. Inlet Drive Palm Beach, FL 33480 561-351-6950 phone 561-845-7525 fax www.mitchevansconsulting.com www.the-nextlevelgroup.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kirk Squiers Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:31 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Becoming a Union Shop ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I am located in city that has an 80% democratic voting population. This is driven by the fact that the UAW has been here for 50+ years providing jobs. Although I disagree philosophically with Unions and what they represent, I have been approached by some candidates and elected officials to look into becoming a UNION shop. There are none within the City Limits and they feel I can make a lot of money doing printing with the Union bug. Does anyone have knowledge on how to begin this process? Any comments on pros and cons? I am a 6 person shop with 2 operators. Is it possible to even get Union status with so few employees? Is there a possibility of hiring Union operators from other companies to come into my shop and print the materials with my equipment? Kirk K. Squiers Central Michigan Graphics 1200 E. Oakland Lansing, Michigan 48906 www.centralmichigangraphics.com 517-230-8600 kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mitch at mitchevansconsulting.com Thu Oct 4 14:35:04 2007 From: mitch at mitchevansconsulting.com (Mitch Evans) Date: Thu Oct 4 14:39:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Becoming a Union Shop In-Reply-To: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111D63D@fpserver.FP.local> Message-ID: <006001c806b5$482d6180$6a01a8c0@Y765TJ> I have a client (and a member of this list) who is a union shop -- he went with Mitch Evans Mitch Evans Consulting & The Next Level Group 168 E. Inlet Drive Palm Beach, FL 33480 561-351-6950 phone 561-845-7525 fax www.mitchevansconsulting.com www.the-nextlevelgroup.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kirk Squiers Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:31 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Becoming a Union Shop ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I am located in city that has an 80% democratic voting population. This is driven by the fact that the UAW has been here for 50+ years providing jobs. Although I disagree philosophically with Unions and what they represent, I have been approached by some candidates and elected officials to look into becoming a UNION shop. There are none within the City Limits and they feel I can make a lot of money doing printing with the Union bug. Does anyone have knowledge on how to begin this process? Any comments on pros and cons? I am a 6 person shop with 2 operators. Is it possible to even get Union status with so few employees? Is there a possibility of hiring Union operators from other companies to come into my shop and print the materials with my equipment? Kirk K. Squiers Central Michigan Graphics 1200 E. Oakland Lansing, Michigan 48906 www.centralmichigangraphics.com 517-230-8600 kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From david.galle at prodigy.net Thu Oct 4 14:46:51 2007 From: david.galle at prodigy.net (David Galle) Date: Thu Oct 4 14:48:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quicksilver plate material Message-ID: Presstek is out of Quicksilver 15.9" x 250' plate material and neglected to inform me of the status for a week. We only found out by calling to check on it ourselves. Does anyone know of an alternative source? Thanks in advance, Dave Galle Letter Suite Printing Tempe, AZ 480-947-8390 f 966-0962 From slb at inkspot.net Thu Oct 4 14:49:15 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu Oct 4 14:51:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Becoming a Union Shop In-Reply-To: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111D63D@fpserver.FP.local> Message-ID: <4704FD6B.15443.56C5805@slb.inkspot.net> Before you convert to a union shop so you can get political printing jobs, you might want to check how often the printer gets screwed when a candidate loses. Or, for that matter, when a candidate wins, but runs short of campaign funds. We're small enough that we only print for local and county races--and we've noticed that the Republicans pay their bills, as do some, but not all, of the Democrats. Even though more and more of the Republican campaign printing seems to carry a union bug these days (as does almost all of the Democrat printing), I don't think chasing that business to that extent would be worth our while. But then, I'm not in central Michigan... Steve > > I am located in city that has an 80% democratic voting population. This > is driven by the fact that the UAW has been here for 50+ years providing > jobs. Although I disagree philosophically with Unions and what they > represent, I have been approached by some candidates and elected > officials to look into becoming a UNION shop. There are none within the > City Limits and they feel I can make a lot of money doing printing with > the Union bug. Does anyone have knowledge on how to begin this process? > Any comments on pros and cons? I am a 6 person shop with 2 operators. Is > it possible to even get Union status with so few employees? Is there a > possibility of hiring Union operators from other companies to come into > my shop and print the materials with my equipment? > > Kirk K. Squiers > Central Michigan Graphics > 1200 E. Oakland > Lansing, Michigan 48906 > www.centralmichigangraphics.com > 517-230-8600 > kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2572 (20071004) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From sos at olympus.net Thu Oct 4 14:59:30 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu Oct 4 14:59:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quicksilver plate material References: Message-ID: <00a501c806b8$b1b61b30$0300a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Galle" > Presstek is out of Quicksilver 15.9" x 250' plate material and neglected > to > inform me of the status for a week. We only found out by calling to check > on it ourselves. Does anyone know of an alternative source? ===================== We buy ours from Xpedx. Our ink company also carries it, Great Western Ink. I'm sure there are other sources. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From carisa at holmesprinting.com Thu Oct 4 15:00:08 2007 From: carisa at holmesprinting.com (Carisa Holmes-Peters) Date: Thu Oct 4 15:02:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] checking MySpace for background info In-Reply-To: <20071004160004.2E86CBE5CC3@rb.enter.net> References: <20071004160004.2E86CBE5CC3@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: I just had to share this story with all the recent chat about Myspace. We were hiring for Customer Service recently. I received over 100 emailed resumes. I was so frustrated as to how I could look at all of these individuals when I knew that some would probably not be a good fit. I went through them first and selected candidates by what was on paper, then I was calling them in to fill out a detailed application and have like a mini interview....but I still had about 25 or so to do this with....then I thought...hey I wonder if they have a Myspace page. Well a few did and boy...did I see a whole different side to things people will put out there to share with the world. One individual had pictures of vomiting into a toilet and smoking a joint. Oh yeah...and I guess for wishful thinking she already had me listed as her employer! Yeah, get that one! Well, needless to say I did not bother with her. Granted I did already talk to her on the phone and was not impressed. Would I use it as the only reason not to hire...no...but as a part of the process...you betcha! Carisa Holmes-Peters Administrative Office Manager HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com http://www.holmesprinting.com/ ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! POSTERS, BANNERS, INDOOR/OUTDOOR AND MORE - CALL TODAY! ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** From jgross at techiowa.com Thu Oct 4 15:06:03 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Thu Oct 4 15:07:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Becoming a Union Shop In-Reply-To: <006001c806b5$482d6180$6a01a8c0@Y765TJ> Message-ID: <000c01c806b9$9c5aec60$1e00000a@tech.local> Mitch, relative to getting paid, always get your money up front for all of the work. They are used to that. At times I have gotten a personal guarantee for work for a candidate and it worked as well. You could probably hire a union operator from another shop to come in after hours and do this work and use the bug, but don't try to fake it, ever! John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mitch Evans Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:35 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Becoming a Union Shop ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a client (and a member of this list) who is a union shop -- he went with Mitch Evans Mitch Evans Consulting & The Next Level Group 168 E. Inlet Drive Palm Beach, FL 33480 561-351-6950 phone 561-845-7525 fax www.mitchevansconsulting.com www.the-nextlevelgroup.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kirk Squiers Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:31 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Becoming a Union Shop ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I am located in city that has an 80% democratic voting population. This is driven by the fact that the UAW has been here for 50+ years providing jobs. Although I disagree philosophically with Unions and what they represent, I have been approached by some candidates and elected officials to look into becoming a UNION shop. There are none within the City Limits and they feel I can make a lot of money doing printing with the Union bug. Does anyone have knowledge on how to begin this process? Any comments on pros and cons? I am a 6 person shop with 2 operators. Is it possible to even get Union status with so few employees? Is there a possibility of hiring Union operators from other companies to come into my shop and print the materials with my equipment? Kirk K. Squiers Central Michigan Graphics 1200 E. Oakland Lansing, Michigan 48906 www.centralmichigangraphics.com 517-230-8600 kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From tufelkinder at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 15:12:29 2007 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Thu Oct 4 15:14:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Becoming a Union Shop In-Reply-To: <008201c806af$414ae550$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111D63D@fpserver.FP.local> <008201c806af$414ae550$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <84f70d5e0710041212k236e25c0o62db7784c5e2debe@mail.gmail.com> Unions have a place... on a per company or per location basis. Not with the broad power they have today. Why not let your workers form their own union? :-) Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA 800-955-3902 http://mercersburg.net tufelkinder@gmail.com -~ Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so. -- Bertrand Russell From robin at protypeonline.com Thu Oct 4 15:21:37 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Thu Oct 4 15:22:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Becoming a Union Shop Message-ID: Kirk, Before I would look into the process of becoming a union shop, I would do some checking to see if what you are being told is indeed true. Apparently businesses that want to use only union printing shops are already being serviced by a union shop and this shop is outside of their/your "area" but you being local, will that make them jump ship. And, what type of volume is there? $10,000 gross sales year...additional? I served on the local school board for 10 years and in that time our board negotiated 4 union contracts -- I agree with Dennis ...not enough money in the world to make me convert my staff to union -- even if they, your staff, don't have the thoughts in their heads already, I promise you their union will put them there! The word "will" is going to be replaced by "may" -- your shop "will" not open or close at a certain time -- it "may" if it suits your union employees and you can strongly suggest it should but you cannot insist that it "will" -- unless you negotiate that point. Do you want your employees calling their union rep every time they think they deserve a raise or a bonus and don't get one? Do you want their union rep in their ear, in their mail and email, telling them what they deserve and should fight to get. In short, I find it impossible to believe the potential new business you MAY could outweigh the potential problems. But, without a doubt....do your research. Will your local Chamber of Commerce do a newsletter or email survey for you? Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From cpurvine1 at cox.net Thu Oct 4 15:23:03 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Thu Oct 4 15:23:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Becoming a Union Shop In-Reply-To: <000c01c806b9$9c5aec60$1e00000a@tech.local> References: <006001c806b5$482d6180$6a01a8c0@Y765TJ> <000c01c806b9$9c5aec60$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: <00c601c806bb$fc31eb00$6601a8c0@corapurvine> My old boss used to fake it on all his union jobs. He was a silkscreen company and he would put the bug on there and run something through the emulsion on the screen before it dried so you could just barely make out the bug. He is out of business now, but he never got caught. In Michigan he might though. Pretty strong union up there I'm told. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From jgross at techiowa.com Thu Oct 4 15:27:55 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Thu Oct 4 15:29:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Becoming a Union Shop In-Reply-To: <84f70d5e0710041212k236e25c0o62db7784c5e2debe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000f01c806bc$aa6a2340$1e00000a@tech.local> I went through a union election 20 years ago and lost the election. We negotiated for about a year and they went away. They wanted payroll deduction of the dues and the medical insurance program which was inferior to our current plan. They got neither. The election process requires the owner to be very careful. Have a good labor lawyer, not old Bill who did the incorporation papers and your will. If you lose an election you are required to negotiate but there is no time limit. I'd be happy to share on a phone call. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Walt Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 2:12 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Becoming a Union Shop ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Unions have a place... on a per company or per location basis. Not with the broad power they have today. Why not let your workers form their own union? :-) Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA 800-955-3902 http://mercersburg.net tufelkinder@gmail.com -~ Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so. -- Bertrand Russell _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From swiftyprinting at mac.com Thu Oct 4 15:38:44 2007 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Thu Oct 4 15:40:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Free GEI Super Zoomer Poster Copier In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If anyone has a need for a well used Super Zoomer Poster Copier email me off the list. It works but needs a complete fuser rebuild (rollers, wick, heat lamp). 3 extra color units, extra drum and whatever toner is left. If you have one and need a parts machine...... You must be able to arrange your own pick up. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com From ahavens at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 4 16:00:14 2007 From: ahavens at sbcglobal.net (Havens Printing and Copy Shop) Date: Thu Oct 4 15:59:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Becoming a Union Shop References: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111D63D@fpserver.FP.local> Message-ID: <009701c806c1$333930e0$1a01a8c0@Leah> A friend once said, "Don't raise any more snakes than you can kill." Is your shop operating "adequately" now? Would a little more promotion to other kinds of clients yield business growth? Think on that one for a while. Austin Havens, Owner Havens Printing & Copy Shop 200 N Main McPherson, KS 67460 620-241-5400 ahavens@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Squiers" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 12:30 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Becoming a Union Shop ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I am located in city that has an 80% democratic voting population. This is driven by the fact that the UAW has been here for 50+ years providing jobs. Although I disagree philosophically with Unions and what they represent, I have been approached by some candidates and elected officials to look into becoming a UNION shop. There are none within the City Limits and they feel I can make a lot of money doing printing with the Union bug. Does anyone have knowledge on how to begin this process? Any comments on pros and cons? I am a 6 person shop with 2 operators. Is it possible to even get Union status with so few employees? Is there a possibility of hiring Union operators from other companies to come into my shop and print the materials with my equipment? Kirk K. Squiers Central Michigan Graphics 1200 E. Oakland Lansing, Michigan 48906 www.centralmichigangraphics.com 517-230-8600 kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Thu Oct 4 16:03:27 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Thu Oct 4 15:59:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] checking MySpace for background info In-Reply-To: <20071004192208.977CDBE6A1D@rb.enter.net> References: <20071004192208.977CDBE6A1D@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: We have learnt that broadcasting employment opportunities across the internet only encourages hundreds of automated email responses from highly unsuitable candidates who live a thousand miles away. We now never publish an email address in an internet advertisement. The applicant MUST telephone to be 'pre-qualified' as an interviewee or to email his/her resum?. One can hear and learn an awesome lot in one brief telephone call, especially if you are looking for a CSR. Their statements and voice intonation reveal much more than written hyperbole. A thirty-three second phone call initiated by a sincere applicant is much efficient than scanning the scams, sifting, sorting and phoning THEM! > ....all the recent chat about Myspace. We were hiring for Customer > Service recently. > I received over 100 emailed resumes. > I was so frustrated .... > ....selected candidates by what was on paper, > then I was calling them in to fill out a detailed application and have > like a mini interview....but I still had about 25 or so to do this > with.... Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 16:25:50 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu Oct 4 16:26:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] checking MySpace for background info In-Reply-To: References: <20071004192208.977CDBE6A1D@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0710041325s170de14che31400a08f82cfc5@mail.gmail.com> On 10/4/07, Simon Sheers wrote: > > The > applicant MUST telephone to be 'pre-qualified' as an interviewee or to > email his/her resum?. One can hear and learn an awesome lot in one > brief telephone call, especially if you are looking for a CSR. Their > statements and voice intonation reveal much more than written > hyperbole. Great advice, Simon. I so totally agree with this to the point that I feel handicapped when my first contact with an applicant is anything but said phone call. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From russ at mobile-print.com Thu Oct 4 14:35:05 2007 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Thu Oct 4 16:57:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47053259.4020407@mobile-print.com> >> To avoid any possible charge of impropriety in your decision, I still would >> encourage you not to look up your applicants on MySpace or whatever. >> > > And how are they going to find out I looked them up? > > I will not divulge that information. If I say the position has been filled > by someone else, what does it matter why? > > > It's a matter of ethics. Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847-398-6155 Fax: 847-398-0788 From cpurvine1 at cox.net Thu Oct 4 15:10:21 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Thu Oct 4 17:58:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] checking MySpace for background info In-Reply-To: References: <20071004160004.2E86CBE5CC3@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <00c101c806ba$361049e0$6601a8c0@corapurvine> I fail to see a problem here. If someone puts that stuff on a public forum for everyone to see than it is not privileged info. No, I probably wouldn't tell them I looked at their site, but so what if I did. It is a public site and they want people to know things about them. They put it on there of their own free will expecting everyone to look at it. It is not like looking at someone's private health records or something like that. Geeeez, when do our rights come into play! Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From cpurvine1 at cox.net Thu Oct 4 15:18:54 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Thu Oct 4 17:59:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Becoming a Union Shop In-Reply-To: <8C9D4CAF4AAA893-85C-1DAA@mblk-d10.sysops.aol.com> References: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111D63D@fpserver.FP.local><008201c806af$414ae550$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <8C9D4CAF4AAA893-85C-1DAA@mblk-d10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <00c501c806bb$67f72400$6601a8c0@corapurvine> No union for me. Been there done that at Boeing! Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of villageprinting1@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:25 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Becoming a Union Shop ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have never been in a Union nor do I care to.? But once you become one you are no longer in control of your destiny.? Your employees will become your boss.? I remember when I had my first shop in Whitestone, Queens.? I wont say which Union, but I was approached by a Union of a certain industry that wanted me to do a lot ?of their printing work.? Why you asked.? Cause most Union shops charge so much for their services that they price themselves out of orders.? And this is a fact that you will deal with.? Oh yeah!? I have a bridge for sale! Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax www.printing-n-graphics.com -----Original Message----- From: Dan Huntingford To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 1:51 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Becoming a Union Shop ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Squiers" ? >I have been approached by some candidates and elected? officials to look into becoming a UNION shop. There are none within the? City Limits and they feel I can make a lot of money doing printing with? the Union bug. Does anyone have knowledge on how to begin this process?? Any comments on pros and cons? I am a 6 person shop with 2 operators. Is? it possible to even get Union status with so few employees? Is there a? possibility of hiring Union operators from other companies to come into? my shop and print the materials with my equipment?? ========================? ? I've heard that same song. It's such a scam. You should become Forestry Stewardship Council Certified, then you'd get all this printing. . . You should join the Chamber, then you'd get all this printing. . .You should pay protection to the mafia, than you'd get all this printing.? I personally, would not let a union take over my shop on the off chance I'd get to print for politicians. But I really don't know much about it. I do think Unions have their place, I was a Union member at one time in my life. But not in a small 6 person printshop.? ? Dan Huntingford? SOS Printing? 2319 Washington Street? Port Townsend, WA 98368? sos@olympus.net? (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2572 (20071004) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From char at themasterspress.com Thu Oct 4 18:12:41 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Thu Oct 4 18:16:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Becoming a Union Shop/maybe too real In-Reply-To: <00c501c806bb$67f72400$6601a8c0@corapurvine> References: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111D63D@fpserver.FP.local><008201c806af$414ae550$0300a8c0@DANIEL><8C9D4CAF4AAA893-85C-1DAA@mblk-d10.sysops.aol.com> <00c501c806bb$67f72400$6601a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <011c01c806d3$b36bed40$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Interesting timing. Just got a call from NFIB and they are saying that the Union organizers are making the biggest push they have ever made to go to small businesses and get employees to sign petitions to unionize. Offering them forced health insurance etc etc. Says they have budgeted 53 million dollars to get the bill passed next year called the "Card Check" bill or "Employee Free Check Act". Pretty scary stuff. Naturally they are wanting a donation but I feel like the NFIB has done a lot of things to represent small business that I could not do myself. If anyone wants to know more about this it is on their webpage at NFIB.com Seems like if they get half plus 1 of the employees(in your business) than they can make you unionize. That is pretty scary stuff. I am not intending to get into a political discussion but unions scare me. I do not fear my employees but it can also spread to suppliers and customers that would put us all in a bind. Just interesting timing so thought I would mention it in case anyone wants to look further. NFIB is saying it is no small matter that is happening on a serious note. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com From bill at werkheiser.com Thu Oct 4 18:21:57 2007 From: bill at werkheiser.com (Bill Werkheiser) Date: Thu Oct 4 18:22:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon B/W Copier one and two sided originals In-Reply-To: <4700F712.30906@charter.net> References: <022401c80210$e1f56ff0$1401a8c0@JOY2> <4700F712.30906@charter.net> Message-ID: <47056785.3030309@werkheiser.com> I'm getting very mixed answers to whether this can be done or not. I have a Canon ir8500, 105 and 7105. Can these take hard copy originals that are mixed one and two sided and print without actually "copying" the blank sides of the one sided originals? I normally wouldn't worry about paying clicks but in this case, the customer (another printer) doesn't want to pay for the blank pages because they have a copier that does allow them to do this but can't handle the volume. This is a significant account so I would like to figure this out if possible. Thanks in advance. -- Bill Werkheiser SE PrinTech, Inc. Coastal Mailing Services, Inc. http://WeLoveToPrint.com 315 E Banks Street - P O Box 27 Glennville, GA 30427 (912) 654-3610 voice (912) 654-3611 fax From si at ria.net Thu Oct 4 18:30:05 2007 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Thu Oct 4 18:33:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Tamper proof Rx In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200710042232.l94MWI030958@plus50.host4u.net> At 10:15 AM 9/28/2007, Loren Maurina wrote: >Got call today from the Hospital this AM. >The deadline for tamper proof Rx pads has been moved from Oct 1 to Apr 1 That's correct. HR3668 containing the 6 month extension was signed into law last Saturday. Full bill is here: http://xrl.us/qpa/HR3668.htm Section 5 of the bill specifies the revised date. BTW, proper terminology is tamper RESISTANT, not tamper proof. Doug -- Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Thu Oct 4 18:32:32 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Thu Oct 4 18:34:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] checking MySpace for background info In-Reply-To: <00c101c806ba$361049e0$6601a8c0@corapurvine> References: <20071004160004.2E86CBE5CC3@rb.enter.net> <00c101c806ba$361049e0$6601a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: No one is saying you can't look at those sites, you just can't, legally, use the info on it to make the hiring decision if it is something you can't discriminate against. Just like if they told you during an interview that they were married. You can't, legally, use that to make a hiring decision. Don't know what all the hoopla is about. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cora Purvine Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 2:10 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] checking MySpace for background info ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I fail to see a problem here. If someone puts that stuff on a public forum for everyone to see than it is not privileged info. No, I probably wouldn't tell them I looked at their site, but so what if I did. It is a public site and they want people to know things about them. They put it on there of their own free will expecting everyone to look at it. It is not like looking at someone's private health records or something like that. Geeeez, when do our rights come into play! Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From printer at ptialaska.net Thu Oct 4 18:56:05 2007 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Thu Oct 4 18:57:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] checking MySpace for background info In-Reply-To: References: <20071004160004.2E86CBE5CC3@rb.enter.net> <00c101c806ba$361049e0$6601a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <96E06635-D43F-405F-B323-2621DBDAABB7@ptialaska.net> On Oct 4, 2007, at 2:32 PM, Mark Lake wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > Just like if they told you during an interview that > they were married. You can't, legally, use that to make a hiring > decision. REPLY: That is not true either. Pretty sure if you were applying for the priesthood marriage would be a deal killer... _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From bill at magnoliaprinting.com Thu Oct 4 18:55:12 2007 From: bill at magnoliaprinting.com (Bill Holden) Date: Thu Oct 4 19:03:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon B/W Copier one and two sided originals In-Reply-To: <47056785.3030309@werkheiser.com> References: <022401c80210$e1f56ff0$1401a8c0@JOY2> <4700F712.30906@charter.net> <47056785.3030309@werkheiser.com> Message-ID: <47056F50.1010906@magnoliaprinting.com> Bill It's got to go thru the machine either way. We have a similar job occasionally. Looks to me like the choice is to copy everything separately and then collate -- lots of time. If it's mixed like that, I generally charge for all sides that go thru the machine, and if I feel bad about charging - usually don't - then I just reduce the copy charge a little. It's more of a time thing than the click charges for a blank page. Bill Holden Bill Werkheiser wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I'm getting very mixed answers to whether this can be done or not. > I have a Canon ir8500, 105 and 7105. > Can these take hard copy originals that are mixed one and two sided > and print without actually "copying" the blank sides of the one sided > originals? > I normally wouldn't worry about paying clicks but in this case, the > customer (another printer) doesn't want to pay for the blank pages > because they have a copier that does allow them to do this but can't > handle the volume. This is a significant account so I would like to > figure this out if possible. Thanks in advance. > -- Bill Holden Magnolia Printing 1829 25th Ave Gulfport, MS 39501 228-864-4401 bill@magnoliaprinting.com www.magnoliaprinting.com From rick at jmjprinting.com Thu Oct 4 20:28:49 2007 From: rick at jmjprinting.com (Rick Foster) Date: Thu Oct 4 20:24:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] BURNT BY EMPLOYEE In-Reply-To: <47053259.4020407@mobile-print.com> References: <47053259.4020407@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: In reference to the message sent by Russ Peters, on 10/4/07, at 12:35 PM -0600: >>And how are they going to find out I looked them up? >> >>I will not divulge that information. If I say the position has been filled >>by someone else, what does it matter why? >> >> > >It's a matter of ethics. It is my opinion that it is no more unethical to check out a candidates background as it is to conduct an interview with your eyes open. Since you can't use race, age, sex, marital status, etc. to base a decision of employment, I guess we should all be conducting our interviews with your eyes closed as to not be influenced by what we see. I say go ahead and hire blindly out of fear of discrimination suit, hire that accountant that has been convicted 3 times for embezzlement, then cry in your beer as the police, attorneys, and the 3 other former business owners laugh at you for not checking out more carefully who you hire. -- Rick _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Rick B. Foster JMJ Printing Co. LLC - Snohomish, WA mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com http://www.jmjprinting.com 425.334.9716 Your Full Service Print Shop 425.397.9716 Fax We Appreciate Your Business! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From armand at curryonline.com Thu Oct 4 20:43:04 2007 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Thu Oct 4 20:43:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] checking MySpace for background info In-Reply-To: <00c101c806ba$361049e0$6601a8c0@corapurvine> References: <20071004160004.2E86CBE5CC3@rb.enter.net> <00c101c806ba$361049e0$6601a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <01ba01c806e8$b09f2c20$11dd8460$@com> I thought this article is quite appropriate, given the current discussion. It just arrived in my inbox. http://content.monster.com/articles/3471/19251/1/home.aspx?key=orlc Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cora Purvine Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 3:10 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] checking MySpace for background info ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I fail to see a problem here. If someone puts that stuff on a public forum for everyone to see than it is not privileged info. No, I probably wouldn't tell them I looked at their site, but so what if I did. It is a public site and they want people to know things about them. They put it on there of their own free will expecting everyone to look at it. It is not like looking at someone's private health records or something like that. Geeeez, when do our rights come into play! Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From si at ria.net Thu Oct 4 20:43:19 2007 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Thu Oct 4 20:47:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] checking MySpace for background info Message-ID: <200710050045.l950jWJ20492@plus50.host4u.net> At 06:32 PM 10/4/2007, Mark Lake wrote: > No one is saying you can't look at those sites But Bill Greif of HR specialists TG Associates has strongly suggested that employers NOT use public Internet resources in the hiring process under any circumstance: > To avoid any possible charge of impropriety in your > decision, I still would encourage you not to look up your > applicants on MySpace or whatever. And further, Bill said in the same October 3 message: > ...if you use any of the info that you got on MySpace or > facelook or whatever as the basis for making your hiring > decision, you can be accused of discrimination. From the standpoint of a small business owner who operates as the corporation's de facto human resources department, I find Bill's advice overly conservative. Due diligence in the hiring process mandates that the potential employer (or the company's hired gun such as TG Associates) retrieve all public information on the candidate. Failure to check out social networking sites, Usenet archives, search engines (not just Google) and other publicly accessible resources would be derelict. It's chilling to hear a recommendation that this research is improper. So, where is the risk? Owning a small business is risky. Hiring employees is risky. Can't handle risk? Best to go to work for somebody else. Yes, there is always the chance of being sued for discriminatory hiring practices, but how likely do you think that is in your case? Would the risk of lawsuit be significantly less if you hired a professional to do the preliminary research for you? Consider doing your own PRELIMINARY research on the web without fear. Keep in mind the no-no's (race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, etc.) After that's done, weigh the advantages of hiring professionals like Bill Greif and TG Associates to do the final investigation, testing and analysis on remaining candidate(s). Finally, thanks to Bill Greif for his participation in this valuable thread. I have the greatest respect for the services TG Associates offers the industry and find it helpful to hear the HR professionals speak their minds. Doug -- Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From cpurvine1 at cox.net Thu Oct 4 20:49:17 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Thu Oct 4 20:49:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] checking MySpace for background info In-Reply-To: <01ba01c806e8$b09f2c20$11dd8460$@com> References: <20071004160004.2E86CBE5CC3@rb.enter.net> <00c101c806ba$361049e0$6601a8c0@corapurvine> <01ba01c806e8$b09f2c20$11dd8460$@com> Message-ID: <003001c806e9$8eeb6fc0$6601a8c0@corapurvine> Very informative. Thanks Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Armand Girard Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:43 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] checking MySpace for background info ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I thought this article is quite appropriate, given the current discussion. It just arrived in my inbox. http://content.monster.com/articles/3471/19251/1/home.aspx?key=orlc Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cora Purvine Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 3:10 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] checking MySpace for background info ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I fail to see a problem here. If someone puts that stuff on a public forum for everyone to see than it is not privileged info. No, I probably wouldn't tell them I looked at their site, but so what if I did. It is a public site and they want people to know things about them. They put it on there of their own free will expecting everyone to look at it. It is not like looking at someone's private health records or something like that. Geeeez, when do our rights come into play! Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2572 (20071004) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From sgfinke at fuse.net Thu Oct 4 22:12:16 2007 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Thu Oct 4 22:01:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] checking MySpace for background info In-Reply-To: <200710050045.l950jWJ20492@plus50.host4u.net> References: <200710050045.l950jWJ20492@plus50.host4u.net> Message-ID: The Creationism museum, Answers in Genesis, is not far from here. (No comments on the museum itself, please, I am using it for an example.) The guy they hired to play Adam in a movie about Adam and Even turned out to have made porn movies. The museum had to refilm the movie. I bet they wish they had checked "Adam" out a little more... Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On Oct 4, 2007, at 8:43 PM, Doug Shelton wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > At 06:32 PM 10/4/2007, Mark Lake wrote: > > > No one is saying you can't look at those sites > > But Bill Greif of HR specialists TG Associates has strongly > suggested that employers NOT use public Internet resources > in the hiring process under any circumstance: > > > To avoid any possible charge of impropriety in your > > decision, I still would encourage you not to look up your > > applicants on MySpace or whatever. > > And further, Bill said in the same October 3 message: > > > ...if you use any of the info that you got on MySpace or > > facelook or whatever as the basis for making your hiring > > decision, you can be accused of discrimination. > > From the standpoint of a small business owner who operates as the > corporation's de facto human resources department, I find Bill's > advice overly conservative. Due diligence in the hiring process > mandates that the potential employer (or the company's hired gun > such as TG Associates) retrieve all public information on the > candidate. Failure to check out social networking sites, Usenet > archives, search engines (not just Google) and other publicly > accessible resources would be derelict. It's chilling to hear a > recommendation that this research is improper. > > So, where is the risk? Owning a small business is risky. Hiring > employees is risky. Can't handle risk? Best to go to work for > somebody else. Yes, there is always the chance of being sued for > discriminatory hiring practices, but how likely do you think that > is in your case? Would the risk of lawsuit be significantly less > if you hired a professional to do the preliminary research for > you? > > Consider doing your own PRELIMINARY research on the web without > fear. Keep in mind the no-no's (race, religion, gender, sexual > orientation, etc.) After that's done, weigh the advantages of > hiring professionals like Bill Greif and TG Associates to do the > final investigation, testing and analysis on remaining > candidate(s). > > Finally, thanks to Bill Greif for his participation in this > valuable thread. I have the greatest respect for the services TG > Associates offers the industry and find it helpful to hear the HR > professionals speak their minds. > > Doug > > -- > Doug Shelton > Superior Impressions, Inc. > Toledo, Ohio > mailto:si@ria.net > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From rick at jmjprinting.com Thu Oct 4 22:53:45 2007 From: rick at jmjprinting.com (Rick Foster) Date: Thu Oct 4 22:49:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] checking MySpace for background info In-Reply-To: <200710050045.l950jWJ20492@plus50.host4u.net> References: <200710050045.l950jWJ20492@plus50.host4u.net> Message-ID: In reference to the message sent by Doug Shelton, on 10/4/07, at 8:43 PM -0400: I agree with Doug, it is chilling to hear this type of research is improper. I understand what Bill is trying to warn us about, but I don't think not looking is the right answer. I'm sure Bill and TG Associates are professionals and good at what they do, but I'm not sure I would hire them to find me an employee now knowing they would not check public information on a candidate out of fear of a discrimination law suit. It makes me wonder how in depth they would really check out a candidate. One of my customers got burned on a bookkeeper by not checking deep enough into past history. He was the 3rd to file charges for embezzlement and will probably never recoup a dime. She was taking money from him to pay off the first 2 court ordered settlements. She lied on the application about past convictions and didn't list former employers on her resume, but a quick google search of her name would have uncovered articles from the local paper about her and the first 2 charges. I know of a HR person for a large corporation who told me, I can't tell anybody anything about a former employee when they call for references. I am forced to lie. Even if they showed up drunk, punched the boss in the face, and stole money from the till I can not tell them anything. He said the standard answer is, date hired, date departed (not quit, fired, or laid off), and they were a good employee. You won't be sued by the person asking for the reference by lying to them, but you can be sued by the other person for telling the truth. -- Rick _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Rick B. Foster JMJ Printing Co. LLC - Snohomish, WA mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com http://www.jmjprinting.com 425.334.9716 Your Full Service Print Shop 425.397.9716 Fax We Appreciate Your Business! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From homedespot1 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 4 23:53:59 2007 From: homedespot1 at yahoo.com (J.S.A.) Date: Thu Oct 4 23:55:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] checking MySpace for background info In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <857039.58218.qm@web51311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> When I call and ask for references I ASK for voicemail for the HR person. Then I leave a message: Hi, I'm calling about Mr. Smith who is applying for xxx position with me. If you feel like saying nice things about him please call me back...otherwise have a great day and thanks. The ones that do call back are the ones worth hiring (usually) Jennifer Adelman roller jennifer@rollerprinting.com etc. etc. from my home email don't have all the particulars > I know of a HR person for a large corporation who > told me, I can't > tell anybody anything about a former employee when > they call for > references. I am forced to lie. Even if they showed > up drunk, punched > the boss in the face, and stole money from the till > I can not tell > them anything. He said the standard answer is, date > hired, date > departed (not quit, fired, or laid off), and they > were a good > employee. You won't be sued by the person asking for > the reference by > lying to them, but you can be sued by the other > person for telling > the truth. > -- > > Rick > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > Rick B. Foster JMJ Printing Co. LLC > - Snohomish, WA > mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com > http://www.jmjprinting.com > 425.334.9716 Your Full > Service Print Shop > 425.397.9716 Fax We Appreciate > Your Business! > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Art, like morality, consists of drawing the line somewhere -G.K. Chesterton ____________________________________________________________________________________ Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From k_graham at hotmail.com Fri Oct 5 01:06:43 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Fri Oct 5 01:07:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printing CD/DVD - what do you charge? References: <00ef01c806a5$00eb24c0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: > We have a couple inkjet printers that can print directly on the face of > CD/DVDs. I haven't really offered this to customers (yet), but for those > of > you who might, what are you charging your customers for printing them(most > likely in quantities of 10 or less, but probably no more than 50 at a > time). We have a Primera Bravo CD/DVD burner capable of 25 at a time, burn and print. Pricing is supposed to be Media plus markup Black print 1.00 disk Color print 2.00 disk, originally we were charging 3.00 if more than 50% full color CD burn 1.00 each, DVD burn tentatively 2.00 each maybe more - still waiting for someone to order DVD's Plus Layout Plus Color copying of inserts --, originally we scored and cut them but I now prefer to supply microperfed ones we've only had to copy. There is a market out there for someone to provide multiple up blanks on 11x17 so we reduce the click cost 50%, or 66% on 3 up instead of 2, shoot you can probably patent it to. Just like Ripping a file for copier one really needs to add a charge for reprints even without changes - it's easy if you've left them in the system but still you will have ink clogs on startup, problems when ink runs out, etc. $10.00 minimum - $20.00 would'nt be unreasonable for the hassle. The Primara unit I have has one of those useless 3 color cartridges, plus black - for obvious reasons I would prefer individual ink cartridges We've found most purchasers are small Bands . It's had its good times like a band that buys 200 at a time, no changes. On the down side we've now got 2 that want to change the music or layout and order 10 or less disks at a time. One wants to send the songs individually and have us replace the song. These little things waste a lot of time and up the risk of error still requiring a proof of everything before doing and probably taking 3 tries to get it right. I am from the old printer school where I didn't mind breaking even on layouts if their was a 10,000 run to make some profit on. In this case one really needs to charge the layout and setup expense on the front end because once everything is perfect your client is going to go elsewhere for the 1000 or more job ... and ask you for the artwork that you did not charge enough for. To really annoy you they will probably go Platinum on your $100.00 design :) If you can feel comfortable quoting 100.00 for CD-Front, plus equal for CD-Back Cover, plus equal for Insert - plus charge for 10 CD's perhaps go for it. Otherwise perhaps a contract for a percentage on future CD's using your superb design. If not be prepare to waste a lot of time. Any better ideas please send them my way. It's on my ToDo list to develop a Macro that copies Zipped or RAR images of my nightly backups to the multidisk DVD for an automated weekly backup of the server to rewriteable DVD's . That would give this device double duty. Anyone got any Macro software recommendations? Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 Dawson Creek BC Canada V1G 2G5 From ron at printingconcepts.com Fri Oct 5 09:02:49 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Fri Oct 5 08:57:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: ADAM AND EVE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >The Creationism museum, Answers in Genesis, is not far from here. (No comments on the museum itself, please, I am using it for an example.) The guy they hired to play Adam in a movie about Adam and Even turned out to have made porn movies. The museum had to refilm the movie. I bet they wish they had checked "Adam" out a little more...< Gail: Perhaps the role only attracted porn actors, after all, if they stayed true to the story, Adam would have had to be portrayed naked... Sorry, couldn't refrain from commenting :) :) Ron Taggart -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Scott and Gail Finke Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:12 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] checking MySpace for background info ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** The Creationism museum, Answers in Genesis, is not far from here. (No comments on the museum itself, please, I am using it for an example.) The guy they hired to play Adam in a movie about Adam and Even turned out to have made porn movies. The museum had to refilm the movie. I bet they wish they had checked "Adam" out a little more... Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On Oct 4, 2007, at 8:43 PM, Doug Shelton wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > At 06:32 PM 10/4/2007, Mark Lake wrote: > > > No one is saying you can't look at those sites > > But Bill Greif of HR specialists TG Associates has strongly > suggested that employers NOT use public Internet resources > in the hiring process under any circumstance: > > > To avoid any possible charge of impropriety in your > > decision, I still would encourage you not to look up your > > applicants on MySpace or whatever. > > And further, Bill said in the same October 3 message: > > > ...if you use any of the info that you got on MySpace or > > facelook or whatever as the basis for making your hiring > > decision, you can be accused of discrimination. > > From the standpoint of a small business owner who operates as the > corporation's de facto human resources department, I find Bill's > advice overly conservative. Due diligence in the hiring process > mandates that the potential employer (or the company's hired gun > such as TG Associates) retrieve all public information on the > candidate. Failure to check out social networking sites, Usenet > archives, search engines (not just Google) and other publicly > accessible resources would be derelict. It's chilling to hear a > recommendation that this research is improper. > > So, where is the risk? Owning a small business is risky. Hiring > employees is risky. Can't handle risk? Best to go to work for > somebody else. Yes, there is always the chance of being sued for > discriminatory hiring practices, but how likely do you think that > is in your case? Would the risk of lawsuit be significantly less > if you hired a professional to do the preliminary research for > you? > > Consider doing your own PRELIMINARY research on the web without > fear. Keep in mind the no-no's (race, religion, gender, sexual > orientation, etc.) After that's done, weigh the advantages of > hiring professionals like Bill Greif and TG Associates to do the > final investigation, testing and analysis on remaining > candidate(s). > > Finally, thanks to Bill Greif for his participation in this > valuable thread. I have the greatest respect for the services TG > Associates offers the industry and find it helpful to hear the HR > professionals speak their minds. > > Doug > > -- > Doug Shelton > Superior Impressions, Inc. > Toledo, Ohio > mailto:si@ria.net > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ron at printingconcepts.com Fri Oct 5 09:10:23 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Fri Oct 5 09:05:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Becoming a Union Shop In-Reply-To: <00c501c806bb$67f72400$6601a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: One of the members of our Peer Group has the union in his pressroom--what a nightmare. The payoff in political work would have to be pretty high to sign on for what this guy has gone through. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Cora Purvine Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 3:19 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Becoming a Union Shop ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** No union for me. Been there done that at Boeing! Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of villageprinting1@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:25 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Becoming a Union Shop ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have never been in a Union nor do I care to.? But once you become one you are no longer in control of your destiny.? Your employees will become your boss.? I remember when I had my first shop in Whitestone, Queens.? I wont say which Union, but I was approached by a Union of a certain industry that wanted me to do a lot ?of their printing work.? Why you asked.? Cause most Union shops charge so much for their services that they price themselves out of orders.? And this is a fact that you will deal with.? Oh yeah!? I have a bridge for sale! Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax www.printing-n-graphics.com -----Original Message----- From: Dan Huntingford To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 1:51 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Becoming a Union Shop ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Squiers" ? >I have been approached by some candidates and elected? officials to look into becoming a UNION shop. There are none within the? City Limits and they feel I can make a lot of money doing printing with? the Union bug. Does anyone have knowledge on how to begin this process?? Any comments on pros and cons? I am a 6 person shop with 2 operators. Is? it possible to even get Union status with so few employees? Is there a? possibility of hiring Union operators from other companies to come into? my shop and print the materials with my equipment?? ========================? ? I've heard that same song. It's such a scam. You should become Forestry Stewardship Council Certified, then you'd get all this printing. . . You should join the Chamber, then you'd get all this printing. . .You should pay protection to the mafia, than you'd get all this printing.? I personally, would not let a union take over my shop on the off chance I'd get to print for politicians. But I really don't know much about it. I do think Unions have their place, I was a Union member at one time in my life. But not in a small 6 person printshop.? ? Dan Huntingford? SOS Printing? 2319 Washington Street? Port Townsend, WA 98368? sos@olympus.net? (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2572 (20071004) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ron at printingconcepts.com Fri Oct 5 09:13:41 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Fri Oct 5 09:14:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] LOOKING FOR A PEER GROUP? Message-ID: I have belonged to a Peer Group for the past three years that has turned out to be a nice bunch of guys and I have gained a lot from membership. Size range is $3MM to $12MM. We are looking for one or two additional members. If you are looking for a group and would like to attend a meeting to see if it fits you, let me know off list. We meet three times per year, once is right before the Chicago show. Members must have a minimum of $3MM in sales, and be located east of the Mississippi. The following areas are already covered by existing members: NE Ohio Cincinnati Tupelo, MS Orlando, Fla Little Rock, Arkansas Atlanta Lafayette, IN If you are interested, please contact me off list. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "To each there comes in their lifetime a special moment when they are figuratively tapped on the shoulder and offered the chance to do a very special thing, unique to them and fitted to their talents. What a tragedy if that moment finds them unprepared or unqualified for that which could have been their finest hour." --Winston Churchill "When a nation has allowed itself to fall under a tyrannical regime, it cannot be absolved from the faults due to the guilt of the regime." --Winston Churchill Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From ahavens at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 5 09:23:34 2007 From: ahavens at sbcglobal.net (Havens Printing and Copy Shop) Date: Fri Oct 5 09:22:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] checking MySpace for background info References: <200710050045.l950jWJ20492@plus50.host4u.net> Message-ID: <005c01c80752$ee927ef0$1a01a8c0@Leah> Austin Havens, Owner Havens Printing & Copy Shop 200 N Main McPherson, KS 67460 620-241-5400 ahavens@sbcglobal.net The paragraph below really burns me. I "have to buy a pig in the poke" because I am not allowed to investigate. But the applicant can snow me with all sorts of nonsense and I have to take it or risk getting sued. > I know of a HR person for a large corporation who told me, I can't tell > anybody anything about a former employee when they call for references. I > am forced to lie. Even if they showed up drunk, punched the boss in the > face, and stole money from the till I can not tell them anything. He said > the standard answer is, date hired, date departed (not quit, fired, or > laid off), and they were a good employee. You won't be sued by the person > asking for the reference by lying to them, but you can be sued by the > other person for telling the truth. > -- > > Rick > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > Rick B. Foster JMJ Printing Co. LLC - Snohomish, WA > mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com http://www.jmjprinting.com > 425.334.9716 Your Full Service Print Shop > 425.397.9716 Fax We Appreciate Your Business! > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From cpress at northnet.org Fri Oct 5 10:08:02 2007 From: cpress at northnet.org (Tracy Charleson) Date: Fri Oct 5 10:43:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scott C Message-ID: <49b84093ee4d14dad4b492c5f8bede39@northnet.org> I am so guilty of getting way behind on reading my printowners emails - Thank god we are busy enough to say it is totally because of work. I was very happy to see that Scott C was back. I don't think some of you realize what great teachers and mentors you are to some of us. So much of what you say either confirms that we do have a clue of what we are doing or gives us reason to pause and rethink what we are doing. Well anyway, I for one have missed you Scott and am very glad to see you back. Thanks for making my Friday! Tracy Charleson Commercial Press, Inc. 216 Cowan Road Canton, New York 13617 Phone: (315) 386-3431 Fax: (315) 386-5259 email: cpress@northnet.org http://www.commercialpressink.com From cpurvine1 at cox.net Fri Oct 5 10:58:17 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Fri Oct 5 10:59:35 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scott C In-Reply-To: <49b84093ee4d14dad4b492c5f8bede39@northnet.org> References: <49b84093ee4d14dad4b492c5f8bede39@northnet.org> Message-ID: <002901c80760$2a02a390$6601a8c0@corapurvine> I totally agree Tracy!!! Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Charleson Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 9:08 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Scott C ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I am so guilty of getting way behind on reading my printowners emails - Thank god we are busy enough to say it is totally because of work. I was very happy to see that Scott C was back. I don't think some of you realize what great teachers and mentors you are to some of us. So much of what you say either confirms that we do have a clue of what we are doing or gives us reason to pause and rethink what we are doing. Well anyway, I for one have missed you Scott and am very glad to see you back. Thanks for making my Friday! Tracy Charleson Commercial Press, Inc. 216 Cowan Road Canton, New York 13617 Phone: (315) 386-3431 Fax: (315) 386-5259 email: cpress@northnet.org http://www.commercialpressink.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2574 (20071005) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From villageprinting1 at aol.com Fri Oct 5 11:09:30 2007 From: villageprinting1 at aol.com (villageprinting1@aol.com) Date: Fri Oct 5 11:10:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] checking MySpace for background info In-Reply-To: <01ba01c806e8$b09f2c20$11dd8460$@com> References: <20071004160004.2E86CBE5CC3@rb.enter.net> <00c101c806ba$361049e0$6601a8c0@corapurvine> <01ba01c806e8$b09f2c20$11dd8460$@com> Message-ID: <8C9D578DCDAF088-B08-4F9E@mblk-d26.sysops.aol.com> Hmmm Armand,? makes you wonder if they are reading our recent posts. Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax www.printing-n-graphics.com -----Original Message----- From: Armand Girard To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Sent: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 8:43 pm Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] checking MySpace for background info ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I thought this article is quite appropriate, given the current discussion. It just arrived in my inbox. http://content.monster.com/articles/3471/19251/1/home.aspx?key=orlc Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cora Purvine Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 3:10 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] checking MySpace for background info ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I fail to see a problem here. If someone puts that stuff on a public forum for everyone to see than it is not privileged info. No, I probably wouldn't tell them I looked at their site, but so what if I did. It is a public site and they want people to know things about them. They put it on there of their own free will expecting everyone to look at it. It is not like looking at someone's private health records or something like that. Geeeez, when do our rights come into play! Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From sos at olympus.net Fri Oct 5 11:21:19 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri Oct 5 11:22:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] Armenian genicide References: <00ef01c806a5$00eb24c0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <025a01c80763$61586980$0300a8c0@DANIEL> My 12 year old daughter was telling us about a book she read for her school LA/SS class last night a dinner, that's language arts/social studies. Called "Forgotten Fire" about a boy who survived the Armenian holocaust. She was practically in tears as she talked. "Everybody died," she said. "Everybody. It was so disturbing." My wife said "What?" While I said, "Oh yeah, that's what Hitler used as his model." And little Em threw out some quotes from Hitler from the book. Anyway, thanks to the list, I wasn't totally clueless about it. And some schools are teaching about it. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From ep101 at technaprint.com Fri Oct 5 11:32:53 2007 From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson) Date: Fri Oct 5 11:33:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scott C In-Reply-To: <49b84093ee4d14dad4b492c5f8bede39@northnet.org> Message-ID: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I was very happy to see that Scott C was back. Now don't let all this go to your head, Mr. Cappel. But, I'm glad to see you back too! ;-) 2mm copies on your C500. You've been a very busy boy indeed!! Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com From rstor at copycats.com Fri Oct 5 11:47:58 2007 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Fri Oct 5 11:50:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] Armenian genicide In-Reply-To: <025a01c80763$61586980$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <00ef01c806a5$00eb24c0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <025a01c80763$61586980$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <47065CAE.9000101@copycats.com> Dan, The story is a little more complicated, as are all stories in that part of the world. By no means do I mean to minimize the horrendousness of it, nor do I see it as a justification for the Armenian holocaust, but you should also look at the forced expulsion of Muslims by Russians, with aid from Armenians, in the parts of the Ottoman empire which they conquered. The numbers are well over a million people. This was used as justification by the Young Turks for the expulsion of the Armenians. Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > My 12 year old daughter was telling us about a book she read for her > school LA/SS class last night a dinner, that's language arts/social > studies. Called "Forgotten Fire" about a boy who survived the Armenian > holocaust. She was practically in tears as she talked. "Everybody > died," she said. "Everybody. It was so disturbing." > My wife said "What?" > While I said, "Oh yeah, that's what Hitler used as his model." > And little Em threw out some quotes from Hitler from the book. > > Anyway, thanks to the list, I wasn't totally clueless about it. > And some schools are teaching about it. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From jgross at techiowa.com Fri Oct 5 12:11:06 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Fri Oct 5 12:11:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] Armenian genocide In-Reply-To: <47065CAE.9000101@copycats.com> Message-ID: <000201c8076a$56550780$1e00000a@tech.local> Did the early Europeans Settlers in the United States learn these same methods when they forced Native Americans off their lands? Our hands are not clean. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robert Stor Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 10:48 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] [OFF] Armenian genicide ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Dan, The story is a little more complicated, as are all stories in that part of the world. By no means do I mean to minimize the horrendousness of it, nor do I see it as a justification for the Armenian holocaust, but you should also look at the forced expulsion of Muslims by Russians, with aid from Armenians, in the parts of the Ottoman empire which they conquered. The numbers are well over a million people. This was used as justification by the Young Turks for the expulsion of the Armenians. Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > My 12 year old daughter was telling us about a book she read for her > school LA/SS class last night a dinner, that's language arts/social > studies. Called "Forgotten Fire" about a boy who survived the Armenian > holocaust. She was practically in tears as she talked. "Everybody > died," she said. "Everybody. It was so disturbing." > My wife said "What?" > While I said, "Oh yeah, that's what Hitler used as his model." > And little Em threw out some quotes from Hitler from the book. > > Anyway, thanks to the list, I wasn't totally clueless about it. > And some schools are teaching about it. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bherion at bucksdigital.com Fri Oct 5 12:23:27 2007 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Fri Oct 5 12:24:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Paper Bander? Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071005121924.03318918@bucksdigital.com> Okay, you remember the old hand paper bander. The style that you pushed a handle to squeeze the product, then wrapped your belly band around and taped. Where do I find one these days? Any used around? Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri Oct 5 12:23:49 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri Oct 5 12:27:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scott C In-Reply-To: References: <49b84093ee4d14dad4b492c5f8bede39@northnet.org> Message-ID: <200710051626.l95GQMat054548@i2bnetworks.com> Busy bee. Yup, thats me. Thank you for the kind words. S. At 08:32 AM 10/5/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > I was very happy to see that Scott C was back. > >Now don't let all this go to your head, Mr. Cappel. But, I'm glad to see you >back too! ;-) 2mm copies on your C500. You've been a very busy boy indeed!! > >Eric Pearson >President/C.E.O. > >------------ > >TechnaPrint, Inc. >909 Garfield Street >Eugene, OR 97402-2706 >(541) 344-4062 >(541) 344-1765 Fax > >ep101@technaprint.com >www.technaprint.com > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2574 (20071005) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Fri Oct 5 12:36:58 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Fri Oct 5 12:37:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Paper Bander? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20071005121924.03318918@bucksdigital.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20071005121924.03318918@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0710050936v29cfcb69na4abee89e526fc2@mail.gmail.com> On 10/5/07, Bob Herion wrote: > > Okay, you remember the old hand paper bander. > The style that you pushed a handle to squeeze the product, then > wrapped your belly band around and taped. > Where do I find one these days? http://www.baypressservices.com/acatalog/Banding_Press.html http://www.aheadequipment.com/shop/product673.html are among the 238,000 google hits for paper bander, and most likely the model you're thinking of. But here's one that's more high-tech: http://www.felins.com/_pdfs/jdseries/JD%20Series.pdf -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Fri Oct 5 12:46:25 2007 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Fri Oct 5 12:46:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon B/W Copier one and two sided originals In-Reply-To: <47056785.3030309@werkheiser.com> References: <022401c80210$e1f56ff0$1401a8c0@JOY2> <4700F712.30906@charter.net> <47056785.3030309@werkheiser.com> Message-ID: Bill, This can be done easily on the 105 and the 8500. Simply program the 1/0 pages as inserts. We do this all the time... Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Oct 4, 2007, at 6:21 PM, Bill Werkheiser wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I'm getting very mixed answers to whether this can be done or not. > I have a Canon ir8500, 105 and 7105. > Can these take hard copy originals that are mixed one and two sided > and print without actually "copying" the blank sides of the one > sided originals? > I normally wouldn't worry about paying clicks but in this case, the > customer (another printer) doesn't want to pay for the blank pages > because they have a copier that does allow them to do this but > can't handle the volume. This is a significant account so I would > like to figure this out if possible. Thanks in advance. > > -- > Bill Werkheiser > SE PrinTech, Inc. > Coastal Mailing Services, Inc. > http://WeLoveToPrint.com > 315 E Banks Street - P O Box 27 > Glennville, GA 30427 > (912) 654-3610 voice > (912) 654-3611 fax > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From QKCONSULT at aol.com Fri Oct 5 13:07:28 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Fri Oct 5 13:07:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Paper Bander? Message-ID: In a message dated 10/5/2007 12:25:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bherion@bucksdigital.com writes: Okay, you remember the old hand paper bander. The style that you pushed a handle to squeeze the product, then wrapped your belly band around and taped. Where do I find one these days? Any used around? This is exactly what you are looking for:P _http://www.gaec.biz/banding_press.htm_ (http://www.gaec.biz/banding_press.htm) If you want to buy a used one you can save about $200. The device is made by Anderson & Company out of Chicago. We have one and they work great. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From ep101 at technaprint.com Fri Oct 5 13:19:13 2007 From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson) Date: Fri Oct 5 13:19:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Warning - 11x17 as 2 clicks Message-ID: Fellow PrintOwners, Just a quick heads-up to check your copiers that are supposed to be being billed 1 click for 11x17. And I suppose to check it periodically to make sure that it continues that way.... I was out making some copies on our C500 and thought I heard a click-click-click-click with each 11x17 impression. I took a count and threw some more work at it and discovered that it was counting all of our 11x17 as double clicks. The vendor was able to go in and ascertain that we'd run 155,813 at 11x17 and many others at less than 11x17 (insightful in its own right)...so we've been overcharged on service almost $8,000 over the past year and a half. We're awaiting resolution which we expect to go our way. We'll likely end up with the $8,000 in future service credits which will be fine with us... Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri Oct 5 13:32:23 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri Oct 5 13:36:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Warning - 11x17 as 2 clicks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200710051734.l95HYvrc068608@i2bnetworks.com> To dovetail Eric's experience, we also racked up over 50,000 impressions on the C6500 in the first few weeks before checking (duh...) that they had not set ours to single either. We're getting the credit back on our first meter read next week. Something to check right out of the gate on a new install. S. At 10:19 AM 10/5/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Fellow PrintOwners, > >Just a quick heads-up to check your copiers that are supposed to be being >billed 1 click for 11x17. And I suppose to check it periodically to make >sure that it continues that way.... > >I was out making some copies on our C500 and thought I heard a >click-click-click-click with each 11x17 impression. I took a count and threw >some more work at it and discovered that it was counting all of our 11x17 as >double clicks. The vendor was able to go in and ascertain that we'd run >155,813 at 11x17 and many others at less than 11x17 (insightful in its own >right)...so we've been overcharged on service almost $8,000 over the past >year and a half. We're awaiting resolution which we expect to go our way. >We'll likely end up with the $8,000 in future service credits which will be >fine with us... > >Eric Pearson >President/C.E.O. > >------------ > >TechnaPrint, Inc. >909 Garfield Street >Eugene, OR 97402-2706 >(541) 344-4062 >(541) 344-1765 Fax > >ep101@technaprint.com >www.technaprint.com > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2574 (20071005) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From yaakov at sparkdirectny.com Fri Oct 5 13:43:12 2007 From: yaakov at sparkdirectny.com (Yaakov Reshef) Date: Fri Oct 5 13:43:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Warning - 11x17 as 2 clicks Message-ID: I hope it is not a "pattern" for KMBS when our C-500 was installed, we had to call them to change it to one click,, the did, but it "did not work" so they came again, and this time it worked... Yaakov Reshef SPARK Direct * Kwik Kopy Printing Marketing * Printing * Solutions 7 East 37th Street-NYC-10016 Tel: 212-328-2001 Fax: 212-328-2007(new number) yaakov@Sparkdirectny.com www.sparkdirectny.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 1:32 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Warning - 11x17 as 2 clicks ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** To dovetail Eric's experience, we also racked up over 50,000 impressions on the C6500 in the first few weeks before checking (duh...) that they had not set ours to single either. We're getting the credit back on our first meter read next week. Something to check right out of the gate on a new install. S. From billg at TGAssociates.com Fri Oct 5 13:58:57 2007 From: billg at TGAssociates.com (Bill Greif) Date: Fri Oct 5 13:59:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] checking MySpace for background info (Long) In-Reply-To: References: <200710050045.l950jWJ20492@plus50.host4u.net> Message-ID: <001501c80779$67331f60$6701a8c0@BILL> After yesterday, I thought I had said all I should say, but the inference that our company does not do a good job in evaluating applicants cannot go unanswered. First, the research, as everyone says, is of their own free will. The danger is if you make a hiring decision based on that data. Then you may be in violation of a law. For example the suggestion to do background checking on the internet. It is certainly feasible but it is not legal unless you have written permission form the applicant. A signed release is required by the Fair Credit Reporting Act. Also note that the message that started this thread dealt with googling to find a conviction for fraud. If that were for a bookkeeper or accountant position, it might be fair grounds to not hire the person. However, I question whether under the EEOC rules if it is valid reason not to hire for a press operator. The crime of which the person is convicted must have some relevance to the job. In addition, you might find that someone has been accused but not convicted of a crime. Once again that is not a valid reason to not hire. In the end, of course, you make decisions to hire or not hire on whatever basis you want to use. As someone already said, you don't have to disclose that reason, you just pick the best candidate. But I digress. Rick expressed the view that our company does not do a good job in screening candidates for our clients. That view cannot be further from the truth. If anything, our clients are more upset because we do not let them hire any warm body that shows up on their door step. Our process is extremely disciplined and thorough. But is legal, it is fair and it is equitable since it is applied the same to all candidates. First, we verify that the client has defined the position through a current job description and the right fit in the infrastructure. We also make sure that the required qualifications relate to the position and are EEOC and ADA compliant. Applications to us go through an applicant tracking system that requires the completion of a prescreening questionnaire that asks specifically, among other things, if they have been convicted of a crime and to explain the circumstances. We do a follow on prescreening telephone call and we do online Wonderlic testing and Personality Profiling before we ever present a candidate to a client. We provide structured interview questions including behavioral bases questions to the client to use in their interview. We do reference checking and background checking but we do so with a signed release from the candidate and we use validated sources for the background check. The background check looks at use of SSN, driving record, criminal record and credit history. Reference checks are not made with the HR department but with former supervisors. Some one said that hiring is a risky business. It absolutely is. Owners and Managers must be diligent. But it is a litigious world and you need to make sure that as you do your due diligence you follow the same process with all of your applicants and that is fair and legal and that you do not discriminate in your hiring practices. If you want to know how we really do the hiring and how you should do it, look up our new book, "No More Rotten Eggs - 13 Steps to Hiring Grade AA Talent" before you say we are not doing it right. I think I have taken enough of the PrintOwners' time. If you want to continue the dialogue or take issue with me, send me a message offline. Thanks, Bill Greif TG & Associates billg@tgassociates.com www.tgassociates.com Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 Toll Free 877-842-7762 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Rick Foster Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:54 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] checking MySpace for background info ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In reference to the message sent by Doug Shelton, on 10/4/07, at 8:43 PM -0400: I agree with Doug, it is chilling to hear this type of research is improper. I understand what Bill is trying to warn us about, but I don't think not looking is the right answer. I'm sure Bill and TG Associates are professionals and good at what they do, but I'm not sure I would hire them to find me an employee now knowing they would not check public information on a candidate out of fear of a discrimination law suit. It makes me wonder how in depth they would really check out a candidate. One of my customers got burned on a bookkeeper by not checking deep enough into past history. He was the 3rd to file charges for embezzlement and will probably never recoup a dime. She was taking money from him to pay off the first 2 court ordered settlements. She lied on the application about past convictions and didn't list former employers on her resume, but a quick google search of her name would have uncovered articles from the local paper about her and the first 2 charges. I know of a HR person for a large corporation who told me, I can't tell anybody anything about a former employee when they call for references. I am forced to lie. Even if they showed up drunk, punched the boss in the face, and stole money from the till I can not tell them anything. He said the standard answer is, date hired, date departed (not quit, fired, or laid off), and they were a good employee. You won't be sued by the person asking for the reference by lying to them, but you can be sued by the other person for telling the truth. -- Rick _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Rick B. Foster JMJ Printing Co. LLC - Snohomish, WA mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com http://www.jmjprinting.com 425.334.9716 Your Full Service Print Shop 425.397.9716 Fax We Appreciate Your Business! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From rick at jmjprinting.com Fri Oct 5 14:10:54 2007 From: rick at jmjprinting.com (Rick Foster) Date: Fri Oct 5 14:06:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Warning - 11x17 as 2 clicks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In reference to the message sent by Eric Pearson, on 10/5/07, at 10:19 AM -0700: >so we've been overcharged on service almost $8,000 over the past >year and a half. I hate to say it, but with all the talk on here about double click, service tech's resetting for double click, promises of single click on contract and setting up machine as double click, etc. etc. I am surprised you let a year and a half pass before checking. It should be standard procedure to check every time someone services your machine. -- Rick _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Rick B. Foster JMJ Printing Co. LLC - Snohomish, WA mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com http://www.jmjprinting.com 425.334.9716 Your Full Service Print Shop 425.397.9716 Fax We Appreciate Your Business! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From joe at colorcraftprinting.com Fri Oct 5 14:10:06 2007 From: joe at colorcraftprinting.com (Joe Nutile) Date: Fri Oct 5 14:10:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] checking MySpace for background info In-Reply-To: <005c01c80752$ee927ef0$1a01a8c0@Leah> References: <200710050045.l950jWJ20492@plus50.host4u.net> <005c01c80752$ee927ef0$1a01a8c0@Leah> Message-ID: <53028BA3-32F2-41CD-BF91-B025F50113DB@colorcraftprinting.com> You can also be sued for providing false information if that employee turns out to have a history of violent behavior at your plant and you say they were a good employee. My standard reply to employment references is: verify date hired, date left and if we would re hire. Note the word verify. I don't give out any info, only confirm or deny what they have is correct. That's all I ask for when I call references. If HR wants to tell me more I'll be polite and listen : ) Joe On Oct 5, 2007, at 6:23 AM, Havens Printing and Copy Shop wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Austin Havens, Owner > Havens Printing & Copy Shop > 200 N Main > McPherson, KS 67460 > 620-241-5400 > ahavens@sbcglobal.net > > The paragraph below really burns me. I "have to buy a pig in the > poke" because I am not allowed to investigate. But the applicant > can snow me with all sorts of nonsense and I have to take it or > risk getting sued. > > >> I know of a HR person for a large corporation who told me, I can't >> tell anybody anything about a former employee when they call for >> references. I am forced to lie. Even if they showed up drunk, >> punched the boss in the face, and stole money from the till I can >> not tell them anything. He said the standard answer is, date >> hired, date departed (not quit, fired, or laid off), and they were >> a good employee. You won't be sued by the person asking for the >> reference by lying to them, but you can be sued by the other >> person for telling the truth. >> -- >> >> Rick >> >> _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ >> Rick B. Foster JMJ Printing Co. LLC - Snohomish, WA >> mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com http://www.jmjprinting.com >> 425.334.9716 Your Full Service Print Shop >> 425.397.9716 Fax We Appreciate Your Business! >> _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > Joe Nutile ColorCraft Printing 805-461-3742 http:www.colorcraftprinting.com Commercial and Digital Printing From cpurvine1 at cox.net Fri Oct 5 16:12:50 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Fri Oct 5 16:13:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Warning - 11x17 as 2 clicks In-Reply-To: <200710051734.l95HYvrc068608@i2bnetworks.com> References: <200710051734.l95HYvrc068608@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <003d01c8078c$1acb3500$6601a8c0@corapurvine> I had just the opposite experience. They told me up front it would be two clicks, but for almost a year they only charged for one click. I told them once and they fixed it, but when I turned it off and back on the next morning, it went back to the one click. I just couldn't find it in me to tell them again They finally had to take it in because I started having lots of problems with it and they reset everything and now it is back to two clicks....: ( Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 12:32 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Warning - 11x17 as 2 clicks ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** To dovetail Eric's experience, we also racked up over 50,000 impressions on the C6500 in the first few weeks before checking (duh...) that they had not set ours to single either. We're getting the credit back on our first meter read next week. Something to check right out of the gate on a new install. S. At 10:19 AM 10/5/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Fellow PrintOwners, > >Just a quick heads-up to check your copiers that are supposed to be >being billed 1 click for 11x17. And I suppose to check it periodically >to make sure that it continues that way.... > >I was out making some copies on our C500 and thought I heard a >click-click-click-click with each 11x17 impression. I took a count and >threw some more work at it and discovered that it was counting all of >our 11x17 as double clicks. The vendor was able to go in and ascertain >that we'd run >155,813 at 11x17 and many others at less than 11x17 (insightful in its >own right)...so we've been overcharged on service almost $8,000 over >the past year and a half. We're awaiting resolution which we expect to go our way. >We'll likely end up with the $8,000 in future service credits which >will be fine with us... > >Eric Pearson >President/C.E.O. > >------------ > >TechnaPrint, Inc. >909 Garfield Street >Eugene, OR 97402-2706 >(541) 344-4062 >(541) 344-1765 Fax > >ep101@technaprint.com >www.technaprint.com > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2574 (20071005) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2574 (20071005) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Fri Oct 5 16:46:11 2007 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Fri Oct 5 16:48:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] credit card recommendation Message-ID: We'd only use maybe 2-4x per month and the total charged for the month probably won't exceed $3000. Can anyone recommend a processor? I know we went through this subject about 2 years ago, but things change. Thanks. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Fri Oct 5 16:46:12 2007 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Fri Oct 5 16:53:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Microsoft Publisher Message-ID: We've supported this application for years, but never took the time to put the "Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome" logo on our website/collateral. The Microsoft site is a maze it seems. Can anyone remember how they got the image or if some sort of formal certification was required? Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying From cpurvine1 at cox.net Fri Oct 5 16:55:15 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Fri Oct 5 16:56:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] credit card recommendation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004b01c80792$07ce7650$6601a8c0@corapurvine> Bernie, I ask the same question about a month ago and several recommended 1st National Merchant Services. I signed up with them and it only costs me $7.95 per month and I am very happy with them. They were even able to use my old equipment. They had to reprogram my machine, but didn't even charge me for it. Mark Roberts and Charlene Simms were two that I remember recommending them. Their toll free number is 866-316-3517 Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bernard Bahn Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 3:46 PM To: multiple recipients of Print Owners Subject: [PrintOwners] credit card recommendation ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We'd only use maybe 2-4x per month and the total charged for the month probably won't exceed $3000. Can anyone recommend a processor? I know we went through this subject about 2 years ago, but things change. Thanks. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2574 (20071005) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From lbaribeau at paragon-print.com Fri Oct 5 17:01:29 2007 From: lbaribeau at paragon-print.com (Linda Baribeau) Date: Fri Oct 5 17:04:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Warning - 11x17 as 2 clicks References: Message-ID: <004901c80792$e7f93df0$042967d3@kp4> Also had that problem a while back with Danka on our Canon 105+. My lease states 11 x 17 1 click. The tech noticed that the double click thing was happening. After much negotiating on our part we got almost $2000 in credit. They were tough to deal with. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Pearson" To: "printowners printweb.org" Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 12:19 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Warning - 11x17 as 2 clicks > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Fellow PrintOwners, > > Just a quick heads-up to check your copiers that are supposed to be being > billed 1 click for 11x17. And I suppose to check it periodically to make > sure that it continues that way.... > > I was out making some copies on our C500 and thought I heard a > click-click-click-click with each 11x17 impression. I took a count and threw > some more work at it and discovered that it was counting all of our 11x17 as > double clicks. The vendor was able to go in and ascertain that we'd run > 155,813 at 11x17 and many others at less than 11x17 (insightful in its own > right)...so we've been overcharged on service almost $8,000 over the past > year and a half. We're awaiting resolution which we expect to go our way. > We'll likely end up with the $8,000 in future service credits which will be > fine with us... > > Eric Pearson > President/C.E.O. > > ------------ > > TechnaPrint, Inc. > 909 Garfield Street > Eugene, OR 97402-2706 > (541) 344-4062 > (541) 344-1765 Fax > > ep101@technaprint.com > www.technaprint.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From char at themasterspress.com Fri Oct 5 17:24:53 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Fri Oct 5 17:27:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] credit card recommendation In-Reply-To: <004b01c80792$07ce7650$6601a8c0@corapurvine> References: <004b01c80792$07ce7650$6601a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <012b01c80796$2c8483f0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> You do need to belong to NAQP to get that rate. It is an association discount. Another great benefit of NAQP membership - just in case anyone was wondering what some benefits were. :-) ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cora Purvine Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 3:55 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] credit card recommendation ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Bernie, I ask the same question about a month ago and several recommended 1st National Merchant Services. I signed up with them and it only costs me $7.95 per month and I am very happy with them. They were even able to use my old equipment. They had to reprogram my machine, but didn't even charge me for it. Mark Roberts and Charlene Simms were two that I remember recommending them. Their toll free number is 866-316-3517 Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bernard Bahn Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 3:46 PM To: multiple recipients of Print Owners Subject: [PrintOwners] credit card recommendation ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We'd only use maybe 2-4x per month and the total charged for the month probably won't exceed $3000. Can anyone recommend a processor? I know we went through this subject about 2 years ago, but things change. Thanks. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2574 (20071005) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From stalprint at charter.net Fri Oct 5 17:26:23 2007 From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings) Date: Fri Oct 5 17:28:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] credit card recommendation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4706ABFF.9020603@charter.net> My local bank does mine firstcitizens.com - might check yours Have to call each transaction in to automated teller - no terminal involved I think it is only a 3% charge per transaction - no monthly fee. Bernard Bahn wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We'd only use maybe 2-4x per month and the total charged for the month >probably won't exceed $3000. Can anyone recommend a processor? I know we >went through this subject about 2 years ago, but things change. Thanks. > > >Respectfully, > > > >Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc >1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 > >Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | >bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com > >http://www.creativeimaginginc.com >Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 1709 Walt Arney Road Lenoir, NC 28645 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net From acepm2 at gmail.com Fri Oct 5 17:53:04 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Fri Oct 5 17:53:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] Armenian genocide In-Reply-To: <000201c8076a$56550780$1e00000a@tech.local> References: <47065CAE.9000101@copycats.com> <000201c8076a$56550780$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: .........oh good golly. It figures. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On 10/5/07, John Gross wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Did the early Europeans Settlers in the United States learn these same > methods when they forced Native Americans off their lands? Our hands are > not clean. > > John A. Gross > Technigraphics, Inc. > PO Box 1846 > Iowa City, Iowa 52244 > jgross@techiowa.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robert Stor > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 10:48 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] [OFF] Armenian genicide > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Dan, > > The story is a little more complicated, as are all stories in that part > of the world. > > By no means do I mean to minimize the horrendousness of it, nor do I see > it as a justification for the Armenian holocaust, but you should also > look at the forced expulsion of Muslims by Russians, with aid from > Armenians, in the parts of the Ottoman empire which they conquered. The > numbers are well over a million people. This was used as justification > by the Young Turks for the expulsion of the Armenians. > > Regards, > Bob Stor > Copycats > New York, NY > 212-557-2111 x20 > www.copycats.com > > Dan Huntingford wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > My 12 year old daughter was telling us about a book she read for her > > school LA/SS class last night a dinner, that's language arts/social > > studies. Called "Forgotten Fire" about a boy who survived the Armenian > > holocaust. She was practically in tears as she talked. "Everybody > > died," she said. "Everybody. It was so disturbing." > > My wife said "What?" > > While I said, "Oh yeah, that's what Hitler used as his model." > > And little Em threw out some quotes from Hitler from the book. > > > > Anyway, thanks to the list, I wasn't totally clueless about it. > > And some schools are teaching about it. > > > > Dan Huntingford > > SOS Printing > > 2319 Washington Street > > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > > sos@olympus.net > > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From slb at inkspot.net Fri Oct 5 17:52:41 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Fri Oct 5 17:55:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] Armenian genocide In-Reply-To: <000201c8076a$56550780$1e00000a@tech.local> References: <47065CAE.9000101@copycats.com> Message-ID: <470679E9.19196.B3AA3A1@slb.inkspot.net> Oh, John, stop grinding a political axe when the data diverge from your position. Every time people of more advanced technology have encountered more primitive people, the result has been pretty much the same. The people we call American Indians (which is a term no more or less correct than the current PC favorite you used) displaced those who were here before them, as has happened throughout human history. The American Indians gave as well as got, when they came in contact with Europeans. In fact, they did very well, considering the difference in technology. There is a VAST difference between people dying in combat (and, yes, the American Indians considered European settlers to be combatants, and the settlers reciprocated correspondingly--American Indians did not recognize "civilian noncombatants" as a category) and civilians being herded into gas chambers. There isn't a shred of moral equivalence between the two cases. And don't start about the Mississippian civilization decimated by disease. Germs don't have a conscience, and there is no moral justification to consider the spread of disease as a deliberate act in this case. And don't start on African slavery, either. Every human society throughout history has kept slaves, including the American Indians. The only human society that has ever existed that has done away with slavery (and on moral grounds, to boot) is that of the Judeo-Christian Europeans, and the American extension thereof. Sorry, but I really have difficulty with people who misrepresent the data in the name of multiculturalism. Some cultures ARE superior to others, in their moral standards, the liberty they afford to their individual members, their ability to facilitate the augmentation and spread of human knowledge, and myriad other measures. This is not say that every individual in such a society exhibits exemplary behavior (some exhibit truly reprehensible behavior), nor is it to say that no individuals in other societies behave ethically. It just says that some societies produce a greater good for humankind than others, on average. I can't stand people misrepresenting the data to "show" that more repressive cultures are more admirable than freer cultures. Steve Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts. > > Did the early Europeans Settlers in the United States learn these same > methods when they forced Native Americans off their lands? Our hands are > not clean. > > John A. Gross > Technigraphics, Inc. > PO Box 1846 > Iowa City, Iowa 52244 > jgross@techiowa.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robert Stor > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 10:48 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] [OFF] Armenian genicide > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Dan, > > The story is a little more complicated, as are all stories in that part > of the world. > > By no means do I mean to minimize the horrendousness of it, nor do I see > it as a justification for the Armenian holocaust, but you should also > look at the forced expulsion of Muslims by Russians, with aid from > Armenians, in the parts of the Ottoman empire which they conquered. The > numbers are well over a million people. This was used as justification > by the Young Turks for the expulsion of the Armenians. > > Regards, > Bob Stor > Copycats > New York, NY > 212-557-2111 x20 > www.copycats.com > > Dan Huntingford wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > My 12 year old daughter was telling us about a book she read for her > > school LA/SS class last night a dinner, that's language arts/social > > studies. Called "Forgotten Fire" about a boy who survived the Armenian > > holocaust. She was practically in tears as she talked. "Everybody > > died," she said. "Everybody. It was so disturbing." > > My wife said "What?" > > While I said, "Oh yeah, that's what Hitler used as his model." > > And little Em threw out some quotes from Hitler from the book. > > > > Anyway, thanks to the list, I wasn't totally clueless about it. > > And some schools are teaching about it. > > > > Dan Huntingford > > SOS Printing > > 2319 Washington Street > > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > > sos@olympus.net > > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2574 (20071005) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From bnjbriggs at juno.com Fri Oct 5 18:04:31 2007 From: bnjbriggs at juno.com (bnjbriggs@juno.com) Date: Fri Oct 5 18:06:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] Armenian genocide Message-ID: <20071005.180431.6983.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Please remember that not all the early colonists stole the land from the Native Americans. Some bought the land, such as, William Penn, New Englanders, etc. Bob Briggs, Evangel Printers, Bucksport, ME _____________________________________________________________ Prices, software, charts & analysis. Click here to open your online FX trading account. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifUxWNJ2WSwauHNkIoPxVssucZhYmLQGtWzqsfrJcc1A3W0M/ From rick at jmjprinting.com Fri Oct 5 19:51:10 2007 From: rick at jmjprinting.com (Rick Foster) Date: Fri Oct 5 19:47:35 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] checking MySpace for background info (Long) In-Reply-To: <001501c80779$67331f60$6701a8c0@BILL> References: <200710050045.l950jWJ20492@plus50.host4u.net> <001501c80779$67331f60$6701a8c0@BILL> Message-ID: In reference to the message sent by Bill Greif, on 10/5/07, at 10:58 AM -0700: >I think I have taken enough of the PrintOwners' time. If you want to >continue the dialogue or take issue with me, send me a message offline. Bill, I know you said to reply off line, but I think you deserve a public apology and a thank you. I apologize for stepping on your toes. I didn't mean to imply you do a bad job finding people, just that by what you said about urging us to not look up a candidate on line made me question just how far you would go in researching a candidate for me. I'm sure you do all you can within the law and I appreciate your explanation. Your advice to the rest of us to stay within the law is much appreciated and good solid advice. I wasn't going to say anything more, but I can't resist the following as it is a good example why I question this whole legality of research process. I held something against Bill that I shouldn't have, it is the laws that tie our hands that are the issue. >Also note that the message that started this >thread dealt with googling to find a conviction for fraud. If that were for >a bookkeeper or accountant position, it might be fair grounds to not hire >the person. However, I question whether under the EEOC rules if it is valid >reason not to hire for a press operator. The crime of which the person is >convicted must have some relevance to the job. According to the above statement I can not use the above accounting embezzlement against someone I am hiring as a pressman. However, in my opinion it is relevant if that pressman position in any way includes the possibility that the employee would have any opportunity or access to steal from me. I consider theft from an employer theft from an employer no matter what the theft was. The laws protect that person by putting labels on what they did to itemize specifics so I can not turn them down for a position that doesn't include that specific conviction. Personally I consider embezzlement one of the ultimate crimes against a business and I would never trust that person. I can't see where that would create a good working environment. Until the government appoints who works for me and I no longer have a choice I would find many legal reasons to not hire that person and past convictions would never enter into any conversation, notes, personnel file, etc. -- Rick _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Rick B. Foster JMJ Printing Co. LLC - Snohomish, WA mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com http://www.jmjprinting.com 425.334.9716 Your Full Service Print Shop 425.397.9716 Fax We Appreciate Your Business! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From si at ria.net Fri Oct 5 21:18:13 2007 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Fri Oct 5 21:20:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] checking MySpace for background info (Long) In-Reply-To: <001501c80779$67331f60$6701a8c0@BILL> References: <200710050045.l950jWJ20492@plus50.host4u.net> <001501c80779$67331f60$6701a8c0@BILL> Message-ID: <200710060120.l961KSc06904@plus50.host4u.net> At 01:58 PM 10/5/2007, Bill Greif wrote: > First, the research, as everyone says, is of their own free > will. The danger is if you make a hiring decision based on > that data. Then you may be in violation of a law. For > example the suggestion to do background checking on the > internet. It is certainly feasible but it is not legal > unless you have written permission form [sic] the applicant. > A signed release is required by the Fair Credit Reporting Act. I hope you can elucidate us on the FCRA "signed release" requirement, Bill. This is an extremely important issue, one that I believe many PrintOwners subscribers may not be aware of. Yes, the signed release may be required if the employer intends to access data from one or more of the so-called "consumer reporting agencies" such as Experian, Equifax or TransUnion as part of the hiring process. But where does FCRA prohibit a potential employer from searching public Internet resources for information on applicants without having a signed release in hand? Your specific citation of where this is found in the Fair Credit Reporting Act would be valuable. Thanks for your continued participation in this important discussion, Bill. The Fair Credit Reporting Act can be downloaded from the Federal Trade Commission as an 86 page .pdf document at http://www.ftc.gov/os/statutes/031224fcra.pdf Doug -- Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From oren66 at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 5 22:20:47 2007 From: oren66 at sbcglobal.net (Arie Teomi) Date: Fri Oct 5 22:21:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Right Angle Folder Message-ID: <182265.9511.qm@web83412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I would like to get an entry level right angle folder. Larger size sheet: 12X18. Any suggestions? Thanks Arie Arie Teomi MINUTEMAN PRESS 23500 Mercantile Suite F Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.minutemancleveland.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Sat Oct 6 00:46:36 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Sat Oct 6 00:46:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Genocide in the US Message-ID: 80% of us Americans claim to be Christian, or at least to believe in the Father, Son, Holy Spirit. I don't find any of what has been discussed regarding man's inhumanity to man to be anything out of the ordinary, or shocking. We're human and yes, this is normal behavior. I didn't say uncriminal, just normal and usual. Cops see it every day. Prison guards, soldiers..... Covering up history is not a different way of thinking than what is being covered up. It's all the same behavior. It's not even deviant behavior. Genocide may sound horrendous, but it's only one of our sins, and no sin is greater than the other if you are one of the 80%, right? To expect anything different would be to go against the Christian beliefs we have. I'm not shocked by the morning news to read the pathetic behaviors of mankind. I expect it. It's nothing but history repeating itself over and over again. I already know next weeks news: Some people were murdered in every state. Some politicians did this or that deceptive scheme. A tragedy struck some workers. A celebrity is doing this or that. The Dow either went up or down, and Gold/Silver/Real Estate/Interest Rates went up or down. The Republicans and Democrats are firing shots at each other. The Federal reserve is still confused. The earth is warming, but the debate continues as to if it's a natural cycle or a man made thing. Hey, it's like watching the Bible on TV every day. It began years ago, and it won't stop happening until the end of time. We are all the exactly the same, capable of the same thoughts, deeds, and actions. I don't think it's Christianity that causes the problems. It is frequently religion..... that "man made thing" that fogs the eyes, and hearts and spirts of man. It's other things too of course. Some people will do bad things in the name of their religion, but I've never heard of warlords praising 'Jesus' for teaching them to behave that way. No, He gave us free will to do as we please. I can't imagine giving my heart and soul to a human 'system' such as a form of government, a man made form of Christian religion, a political party, or...... So, that's my 2 cents on the Armenian genocide, the birth of wonderful ideas, and hiring people via the internet. From acepm2 at gmail.com Sat Oct 6 07:45:34 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Sat Oct 6 07:45:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Right Angle Folder In-Reply-To: <182265.9511.qm@web83412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <182265.9511.qm@web83412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MBO. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On 10/5/07, Arie Teomi wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I would like to get an entry level right angle folder. > Larger size sheet: 12X18. > Any suggestions? > > Thanks > Arie > > Arie Teomi > MINUTEMAN PRESS > 23500 Mercantile Suite F > Cleveland, OH 44122 > P:216-464-1960 > F:216-464-1660 > > www.minutemancleveland.com > > Your Full Service > PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From ron at printingconcepts.com Sat Oct 6 09:56:32 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Sat Oct 6 09:50:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Right Angle Folder In-Reply-To: <182265.9511.qm@web83412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If you have the space, I would get a used MBO t-49. "It is better to buy a used Cadillac than a new Yugo", which is what I think you get from a table top. If you don't have the space, there is a Swiss made Faltex folder that has a right angle that are pretty well made. Because they are not too well known, they don't bring a lot on the used market and can be a bargain. We had one but still it doesn't compare to an MBO. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Arie Teomi Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 10:21 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Right Angle Folder ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I would like to get an entry level right angle folder. Larger size sheet: 12X18. Any suggestions? Thanks Arie Arie Teomi MINUTEMAN PRESS 23500 Mercantile Suite F Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.minutemancleveland.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mail at myprinter.biz Sat Oct 6 11:03:14 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Sat Oct 6 11:02:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] Armenian genocide In-Reply-To: <470679E9.19196.B3AA3A1@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: Steve - Except for your comments about John's motivations, your points are very well made, and I view most of them as substantively unarguable. Having said that, your comments about John's motivations consititute an "ad hominem" argument that doesn't address the issues he raised, and, if John's comments can be interpreted as "political axe sharpening," so could yours - and that would be just as useless. He asked the simple question, "Did the early Europeans Settlers in the United States learn these same methods when they forced Native Americans off their lands?" (to which you seem to be answering, quite reasonably, "It's not that simple") and made the simple statement, "Our hands are not clean," which, under that "sins of the fathers" theory, they aren't. That others, including the Indians, have fathers with extremely bloody hands diminishes the blood on our fathers' hands not a whit. Parenthetically, I don't buy into the "sins of the fathers" theory, in part because it could be used to justify reparation requests from descendant of our collective predecessors' former slaves. (A group of black separatists came into our shop to have some printing done several years ago, and I swore to them that I'd been out of town - visiting relatives in Cleveland - during the entire pre-abolition period...I also ask them if I could reduce the amount they thought I owed by giving them a discount.) Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Steve Blatman Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 5:53 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] [OFF] Armenian genocide ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Oh, John, stop grinding a political axe when the data diverge from your position. Every time people of more advanced technology have encountered more primitive people, the result has been pretty much the same. The people we call American Indians (which is a term no more or less correct than the current PC favorite you used) displaced those who were here before them, as has happened throughout human history. The American Indians gave as well as got, when they came in contact with Europeans. In fact, they did very well, considering the difference in technology. There is a VAST difference between people dying in combat (and, yes, the American Indians considered European settlers to be combatants, and the settlers reciprocated correspondingly--American Indians did not recognize "civilian noncombatants" as a category) and civilians being herded into gas chambers. There isn't a shred of moral equivalence between the two cases. And don't start about the Mississippian civilization decimated by disease. Germs don't have a conscience, and there is no moral justification to consider the spread of disease as a deliberate act in this case. And don't start on African slavery, either. Every human society throughout history has kept slaves, including the American Indians. The only human society that has ever existed that has done away with slavery (and on moral grounds, to boot) is that of the Judeo-Christian Europeans, and the American extension thereof. Sorry, but I really have difficulty with people who misrepresent the data in the name of multiculturalism. Some cultures ARE superior to others, in their moral standards, the liberty they afford to their individual members, their ability to facilitate the augmentation and spread of human knowledge, and myriad other measures. This is not say that every individual in such a society exhibits exemplary behavior (some exhibit truly reprehensible behavior), nor is it to say that no individuals in other societies behave ethically. It just says that some societies produce a greater good for humankind than others, on average. I can't stand people misrepresenting the data to "show" that more repressive cultures are more admirable than freer cultures. Steve Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts. > > Did the early Europeans Settlers in the United States learn these same > methods when they forced Native Americans off their lands? Our hands are > not clean. > > John A. Gross > Technigraphics, Inc. > PO Box 1846 > Iowa City, Iowa 52244 > jgross@techiowa.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robert Stor > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 10:48 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] [OFF] Armenian genicide > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Dan, > > The story is a little more complicated, as are all stories in that part > of the world. > > By no means do I mean to minimize the horrendousness of it, nor do I see > it as a justification for the Armenian holocaust, but you should also > look at the forced expulsion of Muslims by Russians, with aid from > Armenians, in the parts of the Ottoman empire which they conquered. The > numbers are well over a million people. This was used as justification > by the Young Turks for the expulsion of the Armenians. > > Regards, > Bob Stor > Copycats > New York, NY > 212-557-2111 x20 > www.copycats.com > > Dan Huntingford wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > My 12 year old daughter was telling us about a book she read for her > > school LA/SS class last night a dinner, that's language arts/social > > studies. Called "Forgotten Fire" about a boy who survived the Armenian > > holocaust. She was practically in tears as she talked. "Everybody > > died," she said. "Everybody. It was so disturbing." > > My wife said "What?" > > While I said, "Oh yeah, that's what Hitler used as his model." > > And little Em threw out some quotes from Hitler from the book. > > > > Anyway, thanks to the list, I wasn't totally clueless about it. > > And some schools are teaching about it. > > > > Dan Huntingford > > SOS Printing > > 2319 Washington Street > > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > > sos@olympus.net > > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2574 (20071005) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bherion at bucksdigital.com Sat Oct 6 12:05:51 2007 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Sat Oct 6 12:06:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Strapping Machine revisited Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071006115747.0339b3d0@bucksdigital.com> Folks, I am indeed impressed by the many private responses I received about the old style bundler. Each one notes that it hasn't been used in years, or was cleaning up, or have it in storage... Incredible that they are still being manufactured new! Anyway, thank you to all that have offered, but its that very offering that makes me wonder what did you replace it with? The strappers I see on the searches are way overkill (and probably would kill) for the basic brochure type bundling I want to accomplish. Your valued input is greatly appreciated. - Bob Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From char at themasterspress.com Sat Oct 6 19:32:04 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Sat Oct 6 19:32:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Googling your name Message-ID: Have you ever googled your name. With all this talk about public names I thought I would do that and see what comes up. It is amazing. I never knew I did so much. I have been mentioned or said something in a number of magazines that I have not even read. :-) Pretty interesting how many times I came up as well as people with my same name. I have done many interesting things and not all good. :-) If you get bored it is a great waster for a few hours. ch Charlene Sims The Master?s Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 Fax 972-404-0317 Char@themasterspress.com From sgfinke at fuse.net Sat Oct 6 20:59:14 2007 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Sat Oct 6 20:47:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OT: computer jam! Message-ID: I am filling in for the person who edits our weekly community enewsletter, and the email address that goes to the newsletter is temporarily set to come to me. I did not set this up, a THIRD person who handles most of our community's websites is in charge of that. Today I have gotten more than 1000 "returned mail" messages, all of them with different "front" parts of the email address, but with the same "@" part of the address "@collegehillohio.org." Needless to say that is the address of the enewsletter. I assume that the server is the problem, but I have nothing to do with that. The web guy says that the server is in Canada, and that this happens from time to time and if I just ignore it, it will "subside." I find that rather difficult to believe. Didn't this list crash once because of all the spam coming from the server? I'm pretty sure I've heard of that elsewhere too. Is there anything else I can or should do? Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com From k_graham at hotmail.com Sat Oct 6 23:36:30 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Sun Oct 7 00:06:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OT: computer jam! References: Message-ID: > Today I have gotten more than 1000 "returned mail" messages, all of > them with different "front" parts of the email address, but with the same > "@" part of the address "@collegehillohio.org." Needless to say that is > the address of the enewsletter. > > I assume that the server is the problem, but I have nothing to do with > that. The web guy says that the server is in Canada, and that this > happens from time to time and if I just ignore it, it will "subside." I > find that rather difficult to believe. It sounds like you have a "Catch All" email address set up on the server. It also sounds like someone is spamming using your address and the bounces are going to you because you have that catch all address. Get rid of it and only keep legitimate addresses and you should resolve the issue. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 Dawson Creek BC Canada V1G 2G5 From wayne at printingonline.com Sun Oct 7 00:48:17 2007 From: wayne at printingonline.com (Wayne Yada) Date: Sun Oct 7 00:48:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Googling your name In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001201c8089d$47788eb0$d669ac10$@com> Try Googling you phone number as well. Wayne Yada wayne@printingonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 4:32 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Googling your name ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Have you ever googled your name. With all this talk about public names I thought I would do that and see what comes up. It is amazing. I never knew I did so much. I have been mentioned or said something in a number of magazines that I have not even read. :-) Pretty interesting how many times I came up as well as people with my same name. I have done many interesting things and not all good. :-) If you get bored it is a great waster for a few hours. ch Charlene Sims The Master?s Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 Fax 972-404-0317 Char@themasterspress.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From acepm2 at gmail.com Sun Oct 7 12:51:09 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Sun Oct 7 12:51:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] For everyone involved in mailing services Message-ID: *USPS Extends Move Update Rules to Standard Mail* The U.S. Postal Service is extending its Move Update addressing quality standards from first class to standard mail. The USPS is also cutting down the time mailers have to make these changes to 95 days before a mailing goes out, down from a from a previous 185 days. The postal service, which first proposed these changes last May, announced them in a Federal Register notice Friday. At present, Move Update rules allow first class mailers that update their addresses through NCOALink and other USPS products to get automation and other postal discounts. This action is part of the USPS's plan to reduce undeliverable as addressed mail, which now runs at 9 billion pieces a year, said Arnie Cohen senior manager, product logistics at Modern Postcard. "The postal service will continue to pressure mailers to reduce undeliverable-as-addressed mail," he said earlier this year (Direct Newsline, May 16). The revised standards will take effect on Nov. 23, 2008, according to the USPS. *********************************************** You think your mailing software is expensive now, wait till this rule hits. If you are not currently offering NCOA services, you will be. If you don't want to get into that part of the mailing business (due to limited mailings, high costs, etc) you can always outsource the service to anyone like myself or others on the web. UAA is a PIA and is extremely expensive for the USPS. It was just a matter of time. You'll see the lists cleaned at 95 days; but rest assured you'll see it at 45 or lower before it is all over. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From jgross at techiowa.com Mon Oct 8 09:39:26 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Mon Oct 8 09:39:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] Armenian genocide In-Reply-To: <20071005.180431.6983.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <004201c809b0$a507e030$1e00000a@tech.local> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Please remember that not all the early colonists stole the land from the Native Americans. Some bought the land, such as, William Penn, New Englanders, etc. Bob Briggs, Evangel Printers, Bucksport, ME _____________________________________________________________ Fortunately, then just as now, there were persons of integrity and moral character. John Gross From jgross at techiowa.com Mon Oct 8 09:45:53 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Mon Oct 8 09:46:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Genocide in the US In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004401c809b1$8bd25d60$1e00000a@tech.local> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** 80% of us Americans claim to be Christian, or at least to believe in the Father, Son, Holy Spirit. I don't find any of what has been discussed regarding man's inhumanity to man to be anything out of the ordinary, or shocking. We're human and yes, this is normal behavior. I didn't say uncriminal, just normal and usual. Cops see it every day. Prison guards, soldiers..... Covering up history is not a different way of thinking than what is being covered up. It's all the same behavior. It's not even deviant behavior. Genocide may sound horrendous, but it's only one of our sins, and no sin is greater than the other if you are one of the 80%, right? To expect anything different would be to go against the Christian beliefs we have. I'm not shocked by the morning news to read the pathetic behaviors of mankind. I expect it. It's nothing but history repeating itself over and over again. Larry, I certainly hope that for you, to expect it is not to accept it. If one accepts this kind of violence, they are a part of it, clearly. John Gross From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Mon Oct 8 09:56:57 2007 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Mon Oct 8 09:55:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Genocide in the US In-Reply-To: <004401c809b1$8bd25d60$1e00000a@tech.local> References: <004401c809b1$8bd25d60$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: > It's not even deviant behavior. Genocide may sound horrendous, but > it's only > one of our sins, > and no sin is greater than the other if you are one of the 80%, right? Do Christians really believe that no sin is greater than the other one? Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com On Oct 8, 2007, at 9:45 AM, John Gross wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > 80% of us Americans claim to be Christian, or at least to believe > in the > Father, Son, > Holy Spirit. > > I don't find any of what has been discussed regarding man's > inhumanity to > man to be anything > out of the ordinary, or shocking. We're human and yes, this is normal > behavior. I didn't say uncriminal, > just normal and usual. Cops see it every day. Prison guards, > soldiers..... > > Covering up history is not a different way of thinking than what is > being > covered up. It's all the same behavior. > > It's not even deviant behavior. Genocide may sound horrendous, but > it's only > one of our sins, > and no sin is greater than the other if you are one of the 80%, right? > > To expect anything different would be to go against the Christian > beliefs we > have. > > I'm not shocked by the morning news to read the pathetic behaviors of > mankind. > I expect it. It's nothing but history repeating itself over and over > again. > > > Larry, I certainly hope that for you, to expect it is not to accept > it. If > one accepts this kind of violence, they are a part of it, clearly. > > John Gross > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From sgfinke at fuse.net Mon Oct 8 10:14:33 2007 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Mon Oct 8 10:03:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Genocide in the US In-Reply-To: References: <004401c809b1$8bd25d60$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: On Oct 8, 2007, at 9:56 AM, Borzou Azabdaftari wrote: > > > Do Christians really believe that no sin is greater than the other > one? > No. Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com From ed at graphicprintersinc.com Mon Oct 8 10:18:23 2007 From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce) Date: Mon Oct 8 10:18:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Genocide in the US In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <009d01c809b6$16555c90$5a01a8c0@fileserver> The short answer is yes, that is exactly what we believe. God does not grade on the curve. This belief of ours is at the heart of the ongoing battle between Evangelical Christians and the Hollywood mentality in America today. My answer is a very simple answer to a very complex issue but it really is the very heart of our differences with the rest of the world and why we are misunderstood and often reviled and made fun of as being simple & stupid. My sin of unjust anger, envy or stealing is no worse in God's eyes than what Hitler did. Sort of blows your mine doesn't it? This is not a topic best done on an email forum, at least that is my opinion, so contact me off list if you want to discuss this further. Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Borzou Azabdaftari Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 8:57 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Genocide in the US ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > It's not even deviant behavior. Genocide may sound horrendous, but > it's only > one of our sins, > and no sin is greater than the other if you are one of the 80%, right? Do Christians really believe that no sin is greater than the other one? Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com On Oct 8, 2007, at 9:45 AM, John Gross wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > 80% of us Americans claim to be Christian, or at least to believe > in the > Father, Son, > Holy Spirit. > > I don't find any of what has been discussed regarding man's > inhumanity to > man to be anything > out of the ordinary, or shocking. We're human and yes, this is normal > behavior. I didn't say uncriminal, > just normal and usual. Cops see it every day. Prison guards, > soldiers..... > > Covering up history is not a different way of thinking than what is > being > covered up. It's all the same behavior. > > It's not even deviant behavior. Genocide may sound horrendous, but > it's only > one of our sins, > and no sin is greater than the other if you are one of the 80%, right? > > To expect anything different would be to go against the Christian > beliefs we > have. > > I'm not shocked by the morning news to read the pathetic behaviors of > mankind. > I expect it. It's nothing but history repeating itself over and over > again. > > > Larry, I certainly hope that for you, to expect it is not to accept > it. If > one accepts this kind of violence, they are a part of it, clearly. > > John Gross > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2577 (20071008) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Mon Oct 8 10:35:35 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Mon Oct 8 10:36:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Googling your name Message-ID: Thanks a lot Charlene. LOL I ended up googling myself. And found I had entered something that I didn't know that it would be placed in it. Of course I'm no where as popular as you!. : ) Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From tufelkinder at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 10:35:47 2007 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Mon Oct 8 10:36:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Genocide in the US In-Reply-To: References: <004401c809b1$8bd25d60$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: <84f70d5e0710080735i2fe0640fpe991268de192394f@mail.gmail.com> On 10/8/07, Borzou Azabdaftari wrote: > > Do Christians really believe that no sin is greater than the other one? Sometimes on paper, but not really in practice. :-) Just kidding. Even the Bible speaks of some sins that God hates more, or are unforgiveable. Most Christians do believe that any sin results in the same basic punishment, however. Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA 800-955-3902 http://mercersburg.net -~ Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so. -- Bertrand Russell From ron at printingconcepts.com Mon Oct 8 10:51:01 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Mon Oct 8 10:44:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC-more things to spend money on Message-ID: A few of our customers are now insisting that we become FSC certified. FSC requires you to look at your vendors and make them get certified: this looks like a chain letter that I have to pay attention to, so they are able to force an ever increasing array of people to pay for their certification. This looks like a battle I can't win. Has anyone on this list done the FSC certification (Forestry Stewardship Council)? Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "To each there comes in their lifetime a special moment when they are figuratively tapped on the shoulder and offered the chance to do a very special thing, unique to them and fitted to their talents. What a tragedy if that moment finds them unprepared or unqualified for that which could have been their finest hour." --Winston Churchill "When a nation has allowed itself to fall under a tyrannical regime, it cannot be absolved from the faults due to the guilt of the regime." --Winston Churchill Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Mon Oct 8 10:52:43 2007 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Mon Oct 8 10:51:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Raised BC source In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <105AB13F-A8AD-4F88-8E53-2525B81BB5C2@falconprintandcopy.com> I know this has come up before, but I need a source for cheap raised business cards. Just black print, very easy. Thanks. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com From mail at myprinter.biz Mon Oct 8 11:09:45 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Mon Oct 8 11:09:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Genocide in the US In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Do Christians really believe that no sin is greater than the other one? Borzou Borzou - While it might be a dissatifying answer, there are multiple different interpretations of the Christian doctrine. If a Christian is to discuss sin, not starting with the 10 commandments would pretty weak, and I not aware that God made it clear to anybody that they were being ranked in importance as they were presented on the stone tablet. I could be wrong about that, but, if I am, forgetting the Sabbath day would be a greater sin than killing...possible, but sort of spooky. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz ------------------------------------- Excellence is the result of caring more than others think is wise, risking more than others think is safe, dreaming more than others think is practical, and expecting more than others think is possible. Mac Anderson -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Borzou Azabdaftari Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 9:57 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Genocide in the US ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > It's not even deviant behavior. Genocide may sound horrendous, but > it's only > one of our sins, > and no sin is greater than the other if you are one of the 80%, right? Do Christians really believe that no sin is greater than the other one? Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com On Oct 8, 2007, at 9:45 AM, John Gross wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > 80% of us Americans claim to be Christian, or at least to believe > in the > Father, Son, > Holy Spirit. > > I don't find any of what has been discussed regarding man's > inhumanity to > man to be anything > out of the ordinary, or shocking. We're human and yes, this is normal > behavior. I didn't say uncriminal, > just normal and usual. Cops see it every day. Prison guards, > soldiers..... > > Covering up history is not a different way of thinking than what is > being > covered up. It's all the same behavior. > > It's not even deviant behavior. Genocide may sound horrendous, but > it's only > one of our sins, > and no sin is greater than the other if you are one of the 80%, right? > > To expect anything different would be to go against the Christian > beliefs we > have. > > I'm not shocked by the morning news to read the pathetic behaviors of > mankind. > I expect it. It's nothing but history repeating itself over and over > again. > > > Larry, I certainly hope that for you, to expect it is not to accept > it. If > one accepts this kind of violence, they are a part of it, clearly. > > John Gross > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Mon Oct 8 11:10:03 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Mon Oct 8 11:13:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC-more things to spend money on In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200710081512.l98FCeqI054994@i2bnetworks.com> Looking at it. I would also like to hear of anyone who has gone through this process. S. At 07:51 AM 10/8/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > A few of our customers are now insisting that we become FSC certified. FSC >requires you to look at your vendors and make them get certified: this >looks like a chain letter that I have to pay attention to, so they are able >to force an ever increasing array of people to pay for their certification. >This looks like a battle I can't win. > >Has anyone on this list done the FSC certification (Forestry Stewardship >Council)? > > > >Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below >should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a >statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general >edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. > >"To each there comes in their lifetime a special moment when they are >figuratively tapped on the shoulder and offered the chance to do a very >special thing, unique to them and fitted to their talents. What a tragedy >if that moment finds them unprepared or unqualified for that which could >have been their finest hour." --Winston Churchill > >"When a nation has allowed itself to fall under a tyrannical regime, it >cannot be absolved from the faults due to the guilt of the >regime." --Winston Churchill > > >Ron Taggart, President >PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. >4246 Hudson Drive >Stow, Ohio 44224 >330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 >www.printingconcepts.com >ron@printingconcepts.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2577 (20071008) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From kellycrom at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 11:38:10 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Mon Oct 8 11:39:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC-more things to spend money on In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <037a01c809c1$3f4bf5e0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> My first impression of becoming FSC certified was that it just seemed to be the latest form of some kind of ISO certification. Since we don't have any international customers(and since those of our customers who are ISO certified don't require us to be) we didn't do the ISO stuff. Now, with FSC, if your customer wants to be FSC certified, then they need to be looking at FSC certified vendors(but there isn't a rule that I know of that states that everything they purchase has to have come from an FSC vendor). If the "few" of your customers that are insisting on you becoming FSC certified are among your top customers, then you probably need to take a more serious look at it. However, if they are not key customers, just look at if it is really worth your time and money to do it. I would think that if a customer really insists that you become certified(just so they can get the FSC "bug" printed on all of their materials-which will have to be printed on FSC certified papers from an FSC certified paper vendor), then they also really should have no problem when you charge them a premium on their orders, since you will be incurring the costs of becoming certified(which, I believe, you will also need to pay an annual fee to stay certified). Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 9:51 AM > To: printowners > Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC-more things to spend money on > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > A few of our customers are now insisting that we become FSC > certified. FSC > requires you to look at your vendors and make them get > certified: this > looks like a chain letter that I have to pay attention to, so > they are able > to force an ever increasing array of people to pay for their > certification. > This looks like a battle I can't win. > > Has anyone on this list done the FSC certification (Forestry > Stewardship > Council)? > > > > Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations > that appear below > should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they > in any manner a > statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant > for the general > edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. > > "To each there comes in their lifetime a special moment when they are > figuratively tapped on the shoulder and offered the chance to > do a very > special thing, unique to them and fitted to their talents. > What a tragedy > if that moment finds them unprepared or unqualified for that > which could > have been their finest hour." --Winston Churchill > > "When a nation has allowed itself to fall under a tyrannical > regime, it > cannot be absolved from the faults due to the guilt of the > regime." --Winston Churchill > > > Ron Taggart, President > PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. > 4246 Hudson Drive > Stow, Ohio 44224 > 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 > www.printingconcepts.com > ron@printingconcepts.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From craig at newhavenprint.com Mon Oct 8 11:52:22 2007 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Mon Oct 8 11:51:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Googling your name In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20071008155126.806C3BF290B@rb.enter.net> > Thanks a lot Charlene. LOL I ended up googling myself. > Of course I'm no where as popular as you!. : ) > Tommy Melendez So did I. Turns out that in addition to the expected boring printing, advertising, and city government stuff, I was nominated for a Prime Time Emmy, witnessed a hole in one, and did the sound for Operation Dumbo Drop and Return of the Living Dead. Funny how you forget things in your life as you get older. But it's on the internet ... it must be true! Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From sos at olympus.net Mon Oct 8 11:52:36 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Oct 8 11:52:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC-more things to spend money on References: Message-ID: <00b101c809c3$3f66bef0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> > A few of our customers are now insisting that we become FSC certified. > FSC > requires you to look at your vendors and make them get certified: this > looks like a chain letter that I have to pay attention to, so they are > able > to force an ever increasing array of people to pay for their > certification. > This looks like a battle I can't win. > > Has anyone on this list done the FSC certification (Forestry Stewardship > Council)? ====================== It seems like a scam to me. But we should have our certification in early September, oh wait, it's already October isn't it? Well anyway, the guy should be here soon to audit us and grant us our certification. That means we can then use the FSC logo to designate the chain of custody is unbroken, the paper came from certified forests, through a certified mill, through a certified wholesaler, to us. Who cares? I'm guessing some people do. Some have asked. But for a cost of approximately $2000. we'll never earn it back. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From craig at newhavenprint.com Mon Oct 8 12:06:22 2007 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Mon Oct 8 12:05:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC-more things to spend money on In-Reply-To: <200710081512.l98FCeqI054994@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20071008160526.AA3FCBF2AE3@rb.enter.net> > Looking at it. > I would also like to hear of anyone who has gone through this process. > S. I'm attending a seminar regarding this on Wednesday and have done some research. Our primary paper supplier is pushing it to the advertising agencies and they're starting to ask about it. RIS paper is FSC certified, so all we'd have to do is fill out a form, do some record keeping, and send them something like $1800.00 to get certified. We'll probably have to do it - just to be able (legally) to print the bug. I will make SURE that all FSC papers are marked up a little additional. In addition to having someone tell me how to handle paper and print, another thing that bothers me is that the FSC commission's founding company is Greenpeace. hmmmmmmmmmmm. Some of the requirements are hilarious - like keeping all the FSC paper separated from the non-FSC paper in your building. Don't you dare let them co-mingle. Sheesh! Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Mon Oct 8 12:06:54 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Mon Oct 8 12:07:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Assistants Please Message-ID: I have just been alerted that I have three months to leave my premises. I've been operating out of here since Nov 02' I went the cheap way when I purchased the existing tenants business. And didn't use my lawyer to re-negotiate the lease. The original lease was set to expire in Nov. 08' I had an issue last year with the managing company of building. One that out of spite I will not take care of. <--(Will send problem direct to whom ever asks.) Anyway, management will not except my rent checks any longer. I have a new location located by an expressway with lots of traffic. It's ? mile away from my present location on the same main avenue. When one door closes another one opens. Best of all it's 3000 sq. ft as oppose to my, & don't laugh like some did at conference you know who you are. : ) 875 sq. ft. What should I expect as far as the immediate loss of revenues. And what are your feelings on renting computer time? As always thanks Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From ep101 at technaprint.com Mon Oct 8 12:28:01 2007 From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson) Date: Mon Oct 8 12:28:35 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC-more things to spend money on In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > A few of our customers are now insisting that we become FSC certified. FSC > requires you to look at your vendors and make them get certified: this > looks like a chain letter that I have to pay attention to, so they are able > to force an ever increasing array of people to pay for their certification. > This looks like a battle I can't win. > > Has anyone on this list done the FSC certification (Forestry Stewardship > Council)? We just lost a bid for 56,000 newsletters to a printer in Corvallis that were done for our local trash hauler Sanipac. They are very much into the eco-conscious thing and the FSC Certification is what made the difference. We're looking into it... Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com From jodib at blackfoot.net Mon Oct 8 12:46:59 2007 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Mon Oct 8 12:47:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Assistants Please References: Message-ID: <008001c809ca$d87ca3f0$0101a8c0@desktoppbl> Tommy: are you expecting a loss because you will have a drop in walk in customers? or because you'll be down for a few days? We try and promote pick up and delivery....although we are close to the post office and grocery shopping center, so some people park and just run all their errands. I would think if you promote a couple of mailings (a potential move coming up) and then another We're In Our New Location most people will make the transition......A personal phone call to all your top 25 (?) or more customers will alert them to the change and if you are up to it, an invitation for a personal tour. Are you a member of the Chamber? Our local one allows a business to host a monthly meeting at their business...... I'd love to do a host for our customers, but my husband (Brad) isn't too keen on it....plus when he repainted the floors in the back press area, he mixed a bunch of colors of paint and came out with a pink floor!!!! (He's shade blind so it doesn't bother him!) I'm not sure what your question is on renting computer time???? Hope this helps. But good luck on your move......New digs gives you a fresh start/perspective on things Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing Missoula, Montana jodib@blackfoot.net 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 10:06 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Assistants Please > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have just been alerted that I have three months to leave my premises. > I've > been operating out of here since Nov 02' I went the cheap way when I > purchased the existing tenants business. And didn't use my lawyer to > re-negotiate > the lease. The original lease was set to expire in Nov. 08' I had an > issue > last year with the managing company of building. One that out of spite I > will > not take care of. <--(Will send problem direct to whom ever asks.) > Anyway, management will not except my rent checks any longer. I have a > new > location located by an expressway with lots of traffic. It's ? mile away > from my > present location on the same main avenue. When one door closes another > one > opens. Best of all it's 3000 sq. ft as oppose to my, & don't laugh like > some > did at conference you know who you are. : ) 875 sq. ft. What should I > expect > as far as the immediate loss of revenues. And what are your feelings on > renting computer time? > > As always thanks > > Tommy Melendez > > > Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. > 3612 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > NAQP Member #1031539 > 718.904.7760 > 718.892.2315 Fax > _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mike at arborprinting.com Mon Oct 8 12:59:16 2007 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Mon Oct 8 13:02:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Assistants Please References: Message-ID: <012b01c809cc$8ff7f6f0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Put signs up in the windows now, with map (Effective Jan 1, 2008.....) Put a notice in every order you ship, pick-up or deliver, with map Make sure you can keep your existing phone numbers Invite all your customers to your open house at your new location Post it all over your website Make sure you mail your customer base at least once a month for 3 months, and then every quarter for a year or more. With your new high traffic location, you may offset much or all of your loss in revenues, if there are any. Your job now is to blitz all of your customers multiple times about your "New, larger location to better serve you" Notify the chamber, put a press release out, be proactive, and your decrease shoud be minimal. Walk in will be affected most. I don't know what you mean by renting computer time. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com mike@arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 11:06 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Assistants Please ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have just been alerted that I have three months to leave my premises. I've been operating out of here since Nov 02' I went the cheap way when I purchased the existing tenants business. And didn't use my lawyer to re-negotiate the lease. The original lease was set to expire in Nov. 08' I had an issue last year with the managing company of building. One that out of spite I will not take care of. <--(Will send problem direct to whom ever asks.) Anyway, management will not except my rent checks any longer. I have a new location located by an expressway with lots of traffic. It's ? mile away from my present location on the same main avenue. When one door closes another one opens. Best of all it's 3000 sq. ft as oppose to my, & don't laugh like some did at conference you know who you are. : ) 875 sq. ft. What should I expect as far as the immediate loss of revenues. And what are your feelings on renting computer time? As always thanks Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Mon Oct 8 13:12:43 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Mon Oct 8 13:13:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Assistants Please Message-ID: Jodi thanks for your response. As far as the computer time. We constantly have customers request access to our computer to retrieve their work to be printed. I wanted to know if anyone else rents computer space for customer's. I already charge them $8 to access our's If so what are you guys charging? Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From billg at TGAssociates.com Mon Oct 8 13:13:03 2007 From: billg at TGAssociates.com (Bill Greif) Date: Mon Oct 8 13:13:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] checking MySpace for background info (Long) In-Reply-To: References: <200710050045.l950jWJ20492@plus50.host4u.net><001501c80779$67331f60$6701a8c0@BILL> Message-ID: <004a01c809ce$7c9ebd30$6701a8c0@BILL> Thanks very much, Rick, The trouble with all of these rules is not what the rule may say but how a court might read the situation in your case. That is always the difficulty if you make what might be questionable hiring or firing decisions. As someone already said in this thread, the best solution for passing on a candidate is to say I found a better candidate and I wish you luck in your job search. On firing, except in the state of Montana, everyone is in an at-will state which means an employment relationship can be ended by either party without any explanation. When you start citing cause in hiring or firing you can get into legal tangles that you don't need. The rules on hiring individuals who have been convicted of a crime is that it is discrimination to not hire the person because of the conviction unless it is directly related to the job requirements or duties. That is why I said a court might find that it was discrimination not to hire someone convicted of fraud if he applied for a press operator position while they probably would support the decision if it was for a bookkeeper or accountant position. Clearly in all of the things we have talked about in this thread, the safe solution is avoid criteria for hiring or firing that could be considered discriminatory. And certainly we don't want to talk about it if we do. Bill Greif TG & Associates billg@tgassociates.com www.tgassociates.com Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 Toll Free 877-842-7762 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Rick Foster Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 4:51 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] checking MySpace for background info (Long) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In reference to the message sent by Bill Greif, on 10/5/07, at 10:58 AM -0700: >I think I have taken enough of the PrintOwners' time. If you want to >continue the dialogue or take issue with me, send me a message offline. Bill, I know you said to reply off line, but I think you deserve a public apology and a thank you. I apologize for stepping on your toes. I didn't mean to imply you do a bad job finding people, just that by what you said about urging us to not look up a candidate on line made me question just how far you would go in researching a candidate for me. I'm sure you do all you can within the law and I appreciate your explanation. Your advice to the rest of us to stay within the law is much appreciated and good solid advice. I wasn't going to say anything more, but I can't resist the following as it is a good example why I question this whole legality of research process. I held something against Bill that I shouldn't have, it is the laws that tie our hands that are the issue. >Also note that the message that started this thread dealt with googling >to find a conviction for fraud. If that were for a bookkeeper or >accountant position, it might be fair grounds to not hire the person. >However, I question whether under the EEOC rules if it is valid reason >not to hire for a press operator. The crime of which the person is >convicted must have some relevance to the job. According to the above statement I can not use the above accounting embezzlement against someone I am hiring as a pressman. However, in my opinion it is relevant if that pressman position in any way includes the possibility that the employee would have any opportunity or access to steal from me. I consider theft from an employer theft from an employer no matter what the theft was. The laws protect that person by putting labels on what they did to itemize specifics so I can not turn them down for a position that doesn't include that specific conviction. Personally I consider embezzlement one of the ultimate crimes against a business and I would never trust that person. I can't see where that would create a good working environment. Until the government appoints who works for me and I no longer have a choice I would find many legal reasons to not hire that person and past convictions would never enter into any conversation, notes, personnel file, etc. -- Rick _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Rick B. Foster JMJ Printing Co. LLC - Snohomish, WA mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com http://www.jmjprinting.com 425.334.9716 Your Full Service Print Shop 425.397.9716 Fax We Appreciate Your Business! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Mon Oct 8 13:23:10 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Mon Oct 8 13:19:08 2007 Subject: OFF [PrintOwners] Genocide in the US OFF In-Reply-To: <20071008155225.4D7A8BF297A@rb.enter.net> References: <20071008155225.4D7A8BF297A@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <30f8c82f4d57b03dd4498d492b06f161@sheergraphics.com> Did I subscribe to the wrong list , or isn't this an OFF subject? > RE: [PrintOwners] Genocide in the US Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Mon Oct 8 13:28:36 2007 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Mon Oct 8 13:27:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Assistants Please In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm intrigued my this computer time situation. I constantly have customer's asking me for things, which for active customer's I do without hesitation. I have clients who are no longer clients though, who routinely need artwork, or their logo, or something. I've gotten to the point where I just say I'll put everything on a CD for them, but that they can't ask again. If they do, another CD is $30. You have a separate workstation set up that's connected to your network? What do customer's do there? Do they have access to all your client's artwork? Regards, Borzou -------------- next part -------------- www.falconprintandcopy.com t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 On Oct 8, 2007, at 1:12 PM, VillagePrinting1@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Jodi thanks for your response. As far as the computer time. We > constantly > have customers request access to our computer to retrieve their > work to be > printed. I wanted to know if anyone else rents computer space for > customer's. > I already charge them $8 to access our's If so what are you guys > charging? > > Tommy Melendez > > > Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. > 3612 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > NAQP Member #1031539 > 718.904.7760 > 718.892.2315 Fax > _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http:// > www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From billg at TGAssociates.com Mon Oct 8 13:29:19 2007 From: billg at TGAssociates.com (Bill Greif) Date: Mon Oct 8 13:30:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] checking MySpace for background info (Still Long) In-Reply-To: <200710060120.l961KSc06904@plus50.host4u.net> References: <200710050045.l950jWJ20492@plus50.host4u.net><001501c80779$67331f60$6701a8c0@BILL> <200710060120.l961KSc06904@plus50.host4u.net> Message-ID: <004e01c809d0$c295bda0$6701a8c0@BILL> In the latest issue of HR Magazine from the Society of Human Resource Management, there was an article on this thread. I have pasted a few bits from the article. Inadvertent violations of the federal Fair Credit Reporting Act (FCRA) and related state consumer protection laws are a hidden risk of online screening, according to Les Rosen, a former California deputy district attorney and a founding member of the National Association of Professional Background Screeners, a Morrisville, N.C.-based trade group representing more than 500 background investigators. The FCRA requires employers to notify job applicants and obtain their consent before conducting a background check. And while the law is geared toward obtaining official reports such as criminal histories and driving records, it's a good idea for employers doing online checks to follow the same notification and consent rules, says Rosen, author of The Safe Hiring Manual (On Demand Press, 2005) and head of a background screening firm. For a company bent on running Google searches on its potential hires, Rosen recommends that such an inquiry be conducted post-offer and only with the applicant's consent. An employer who changes his mind about a worker after finding disparaging information online generally would not be required to provide an explanation, Rosen says. Employers also increase their exposure to discrimination claims when they gather too much information about a candidate. Companies suspected of rejecting a candidate based on race, religion or marital status can find themselves being hit with a claim of hiring based on unlawful factors. And another extract: Using networking sites for hiring purposes may also violate these sites' terms, some lawyers say. Both Facebook and MySpace post rules prohibiting the use of information on their sites for commercial purposes. That arguably includes vetting employment candidates. The sites also ban the collection of e-mail addresses and the dissemination of unsolicited e-mails and solicitations -- common practices for many recruiters. Some lawyers warn that using social networking sites to vet job candidates may hurt employers by turning off good candidates who don't want the company snooping on them without their consent. Another reason for employers to exercise caution: There's always the possibility that the information found online about job candidates simply isn't true. Human resource consultant Becky Strickland of HR Matters in Pueblo, Colo., says she takes any information gleaned from the Internet with a grain of salt. Even an incriminating photo of a job candidate isn't necessarily proof positive that the person has engaged in bad behavior. The photo could have been created by an imposter. "The Internet is not necessarily a reliable source," Strickland says. Hope this helps, Bill Greif TG & Associates billg@tgassociates.com www.tgassociates.com Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 Toll Free 877-842-7762 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Doug Shelton Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 6:18 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] checking MySpace for background info (Long) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** At 01:58 PM 10/5/2007, Bill Greif wrote: > First, the research, as everyone says, is of their own free > will. The danger is if you make a hiring decision based on > that data. Then you may be in violation of a law. For > example the suggestion to do background checking on the > internet. It is certainly feasible but it is not legal > unless you have written permission form [sic] the applicant. > A signed release is required by the Fair Credit Reporting Act. I hope you can elucidate us on the FCRA "signed release" requirement, Bill. This is an extremely important issue, one that I believe many PrintOwners subscribers may not be aware of. Yes, the signed release may be required if the employer intends to access data from one or more of the so-called "consumer reporting agencies" such as Experian, Equifax or TransUnion as part of the hiring process. But where does FCRA prohibit a potential employer from searching public Internet resources for information on applicants without having a signed release in hand? Your specific citation of where this is found in the Fair Credit Reporting Act would be valuable. Thanks for your continued participation in this important discussion, Bill. The Fair Credit Reporting Act can be downloaded from the Federal Trade Commission as an 86 page .pdf document at http://www.ftc.gov/os/statutes/031224fcra.pdf Doug -- Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From slb at inkspot.net Mon Oct 8 13:44:50 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon Oct 8 13:45:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Right Angle Folder In-Reply-To: <182265.9511.qm@web83412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <470A3452.5161.19CA117F@slb.inkspot.net> IMO, the two floor-model folders worth your time and trouble are MBO and Stahl. Both make excellent machines, and both back them up. Look for a used one that isn't beat all to s**t if you can't justify a new one. (There are subtle differences between MBO & Stahl, and less subtle differences between their service organizations. Feel free to call if you want more details.) If you don't have space for a floor folder, there are right-angle tabletops, but the floor models are more adjustable, more versatile, and, probably, longer-lived. Steve > > I would like to get an entry level right angle folder. > Larger size sheet: 12X18. > Any suggestions? > > Thanks > Arie > > Arie Teomi > MINUTEMAN PRESS > 23500 Mercantile Suite F > Cleveland, OH 44122 > P:216-464-1960 > F:216-464-1660 > > www.minutemancleveland.com > > Your Full Service > PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2575 (20071006) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From bherion at bucksdigital.com Mon Oct 8 13:48:12 2007 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Mon Oct 8 13:48:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: FSC (for printers) In-Reply-To: <20071008171334.EE7C7BF2E94@rb.enter.net> References: <20071008171334.EE7C7BF2E94@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071008133046.03310a50@bucksdigital.com> At 01:13 PM 10/8/2007, you wrote: >Some of the >requirements are hilarious - like keeping all the FSC paper separated from >the non-FSC paper in your building. Don't you dare let them co-mingle. Nothing wrong with doing the right thing, but this FSC certification business is, well, a business. The founding company (yes, its roots are in many greenies), only outlines the guidelines. The certs are all done by third parties. Fine and well. Now, I know first hand of dealing with this as a printer. You DO NOT NEED TO BE CERTIFIED in order to print the logo for other certified parties. You do need to sign a form, pledging that you will follow the guidelines of the FSC as it pertains to the job being processed through your shop. Usually what this means is you are pledging to use the stock specified or supplied. That's it. I've signed 2 of them. Now, if you want to be certified yourself, that's another story. Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From mail at myprinter.biz Mon Oct 8 13:51:36 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Mon Oct 8 13:51:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Assistants Please In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Borzou - This is the first email of yours in a while that's come to me solely as text file attachments (i.e., absolutely nothing in the body of the email). Did you revert to something? Tx. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Borzou Azabdaftari Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 1:29 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Assistants Please ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Mon Oct 8 13:55:20 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Mon Oct 8 13:56:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Assistants Please Message-ID: No strictly Internet service. They go to their e-mails to retrieve their info & then get their orders ripped to be printed. No matter who I incorporate the computewr access to the price. Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From mike at arborprinting.com Mon Oct 8 13:53:21 2007 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Mon Oct 8 13:56:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Assistants Please References: Message-ID: <015401c809d4$1e392f40$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> If you mean customers asking for their artwork so they can have the printing done somewhere else, there is a problem. We NEVER let customers access our computers. Once i a great while, if they are here, we let them fix something in their file, but that's it. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com mike@arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Assistants Please > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Jodi thanks for your response. As far as the computer time. We > constantly > have customers request access to our computer to retrieve their work to > be > printed. I wanted to know if anyone else rents computer space for > customer's. > I already charge them $8 to access our's If so what are you guys > charging? > > Tommy Melendez > > > Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. > 3612 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > NAQP Member #1031539 > 718.904.7760 > 718.892.2315 Fax > _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Mon Oct 8 14:01:18 2007 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Mon Oct 8 14:00:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Assistants Please In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99F96067-F555-49A1-A524-1B8786E78365@falconprintandcopy.com> Dan, I did, this signature below is my list signature. No graphic, and consequently it gets interpreted properly by everyone. Anytime you don't see this I forgot to set the correct signature. I don't know if its going to help, but I'm planning on switching to Entourage for my email when the newer version of Office for Windows comes out. We'll see how that goes. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com On Oct 8, 2007, at 1:51 PM, wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Borzou - > > This is the first email of yours in a while that's come to me > solely as text > file attachments (i.e., absolutely nothing in the body of the email). > > Did you revert to something? > > Tx. > > Dan > Sir Speedy Printing Center > 5845 Hollywood Boulevard > Hollywood, FL 33021 > tel. 954.962.1309 > fax 954.962.1366 > dan@myprinter.biz > www.myprinter.biz > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Borzou > Azabdaftari > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 1:29 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Assistants Please > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From ron at printingconcepts.com Mon Oct 8 14:22:40 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Mon Oct 8 14:16:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] CLEAR WAFER SEALS Message-ID: We are having more and more customers become fixated on clear wafer seals. With our Buskro tabber, the transluscent and white run like a bat out of hell, but the clear are always problematic. We have even sent a few jobs out that were done on Kirk Rudy tabbers. The question is, what brand of tabber do you use and how well does it do with clear? Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "To each there comes in their lifetime a special moment when they are figuratively tapped on the shoulder and offered the chance to do a very special thing, unique to them and fitted to their talents. What a tragedy if that moment finds them unprepared or unqualified for that which could have been their finest hour." --Winston Churchill "When a nation has allowed itself to fall under a tyrannical regime, it cannot be absolved from the faults due to the guilt of the regime." --Winston Churchill Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From kathy at mpcny.com Mon Oct 8 14:33:18 2007 From: kathy at mpcny.com (Kathy Henry) Date: Mon Oct 8 14:34:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] CLEAR WAFER SEALS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005401c809d9$b2eda0d0$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> Our tabber is AccuFast and it absolutely refuses to run clear seals. It will run the translucent and white only. When we called the factory, they told us the specs on that machine indicated no clear as the sensor can't sense them. Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing kathy@mpcny.com 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 2:23 PM To: printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] CLEAR WAFER SEALS ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are having more and more customers become fixated on clear wafer seals. With our Buskro tabber, the transluscent and white run like a bat out of hell, but the clear are always problematic. We have even sent a few jobs out that were done on Kirk Rudy tabbers. The question is, what brand of tabber do you use and how well does it do with clear? Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "To each there comes in their lifetime a special moment when they are figuratively tapped on the shoulder and offered the chance to do a very special thing, unique to them and fitted to their talents. What a tragedy if that moment finds them unprepared or unqualified for that which could have been their finest hour." --Winston Churchill "When a nation has allowed itself to fall under a tyrannical regime, it cannot be absolved from the faults due to the guilt of the regime." --Winston Churchill Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.4/1056 - Release Date: 10/7/2007 6:12 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.4/1056 - Release Date: 10/7/2007 6:12 PM From acepm2 at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 14:34:07 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Mon Oct 8 14:35:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] CLEAR WAFER SEALS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I know you don't want to hear this.... but Kirk Rudy hands down. It simply works. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, MD 21811 www.acepm.com On 10/8/07, Ron Taggart wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are having more and more customers become fixated on clear wafer seals. > With our Buskro tabber, the transluscent and white run like a bat out of > hell, but the clear are always problematic. We have even sent a few jobs > out that were done on Kirk Rudy tabbers. > > The question is, what brand of tabber do you use and how well does it do > with clear? > > > > Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear > below > should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner > a > statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the > general > edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. > > "To each there comes in their lifetime a special moment when they are > figuratively tapped on the shoulder and offered the chance to do a very > special thing, unique to them and fitted to their talents. What a tragedy > if that moment finds them unprepared or unqualified for that which could > have been their finest hour." --Winston Churchill > > "When a nation has allowed itself to fall under a tyrannical regime, it > cannot be absolved from the faults due to the guilt of the > regime." --Winston Churchill > > > Ron Taggart, President > PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. > 4246 Hudson Drive > Stow, Ohio 44224 > 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 > www.printingconcepts.com > ron@printingconcepts.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From jdaghir at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 14:57:31 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Mon Oct 8 14:57:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] CLEAR WAFER SEALS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83d5b9620710081157u3f548395k5ffd536bcdeb0b76@mail.gmail.com> We've got an Astro table-top tabber. It runs clear tabs about as well (or about as poorly depending on your point of view) as it does white tabs. You do have to get tabs with black bars on the liner and calibrate the sensors for the clear tabs. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Ron said: > We are having more and more customers become fixated on clear wafer seals. > With our Buskro tabber, the transluscent and white run like a bat out of > hell, but the clear are always problematic. We have even sent a few jobs > out that were done on Kirk Rudy tabbers. > > The question is, what brand of tabber do you use and how well does it do > with clear? From QKCONSULT at aol.com Mon Oct 8 14:45:00 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Mon Oct 8 15:04:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: FSC (for printers) Message-ID: In a message dated 10/8/2007 1:50:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bherion@bucksdigital.com writes: Nothing wrong with doing the right thing, but this FSC certification business is, well, a business. The founding company (yes, its roots are in many greenies), only outlines the guidelines. The certs are all done by third parties. Fine and well. I've spent some time checking this organization out and some of the things I have uncovered bother me a bit. First, you can go to this site to check out their ratings as compared to other non-profits. They only receive one star on a scale of 1-4. _http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm/bay/search.summary/orgid/5961.htm_ (http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm/bay/search.summary/orgid/5961.htm) Second, about half their members are timber companies, wood pulp companies, etc., many of whom are members for self-serving reasons I suspect... you will have to do some heavy research on this group, but I sure would be hesitant to spend the expense and the efforts to get certified. Third, clients asking that you become certified ought to be directed at the following cite for a lengthy article written titled: Trading in Credibility: The Myths and Realities of the Forest Stewardship Council. The link is: _http://www.rainforestfoundationuk.org/files/Trading%20in%20Credibility%20full %20report.pdf_ (http://www.rainforestfoundationuk.org/files/Trading%20in%20Credibility%20full%20report.pdf) By the way, the above article is written by the Rainforest Foundation, which also get a low rating by the non-profit rating service cited above. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From craig at sutterprinting.com Mon Oct 8 15:33:34 2007 From: craig at sutterprinting.com (Craig Baise) Date: Mon Oct 8 15:33:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Contact management software Message-ID: Does anyone have a suggestion for a contact management system that works on mac and pc?? Thanks, craig/sutter printing From zapit at zapcolor.com Mon Oct 8 15:38:18 2007 From: zapit at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez) Date: Mon Oct 8 15:43:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] K2 UV Coater anyone? In-Reply-To: <20071008175630.9F04ABF320F@rb.enter.net> References: <20071008175630.9F04ABF320F@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: We are in the process of possibly acquiring another company and I was wondering if anyone else out there purchased one of the K2 UV coaters? (they have one) I would like to get some ideas about operation, uses, etc. from another user. Thanks > Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com From jodib at blackfoot.net Mon Oct 8 16:00:34 2007 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Mon Oct 8 16:01:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Assistants Please References: Message-ID: <003b01c809e5$e3b99410$0101a8c0@desktoppbl> We incorporate a $10 output to DPM charge (includes one proof copy). We occasionally have someone that wants to do this, usually they are just sending the file to us. Otherwise, we do not allow our customers on our computers. (unless they are one of my top 10 - and they are too busy to be doing their own work anyway.) We were constantly having people make inquiries and tried it a couple of times, and that is all it took to see that it was not going to be an easy thing to manage. They do walk in with a cd or flashdrive and are told about the $10 charge - anything outside of that (typesetting or adding their logo, etc) goes onto the pre-press department schedule. If they can't wait a day or two, we refer them to a competitor (a friendly one who refers to us if they are busy) Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing Missoula, Montana jodib@blackfoot.net 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Assistants Please > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Jodi thanks for your response. As far as the computer time. We > constantly > have customers request access to our computer to retrieve their work to > be > printed. I wanted to know if anyone else rents computer space for > customer's. > I already charge them $8 to access our's If so what are you guys > charging? > > Tommy Melendez > > > Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. > 3612 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > NAQP Member #1031539 > 718.904.7760 > 718.892.2315 Fax > _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From slb at inkspot.net Mon Oct 8 16:11:24 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon Oct 8 16:12:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Contact management software In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <470A56AC.16873.1A504164@slb.inkspot.net> I don't know what works on a mac, but the two biggest names seem to be ACT and Goldmine. I use ACT, which seems to be a good solution for a single salesman/selling owner. I'm told that Goldmine is a much better solution if you have multiple people involved in the sales end of your operation. Incidentally, Printers Plan currently is said to integrate with ACT (but not, I believe, with the latest version), and PrintSmith supposedly is intending to integrate with ACT or Goldmine (still under discussion) at their next major release. Steve > > Does anyone have a suggestion for a contact management system that works on > mac and pc?? Thanks, craig/sutter printing > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2578 (20071008) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Mon Oct 8 16:14:20 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Mon Oct 8 16:15:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Friendly Help Message-ID: We just had a KM salesperson give us a presentation on the KM6500. We have a date for 3 of my employees to go to their facilities to run some of our regular orders. Seeming that most of these units are in pristine operating conditions. We are asking for anyone that is located near us, to just get a see or a feel of how the machine works. If anyone can, please let me know. Thanks Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From slb at inkspot.net Mon Oct 8 16:15:44 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon Oct 8 16:16:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Assistants Please In-Reply-To: <003b01c809e5$e3b99410$0101a8c0@desktoppbl> Message-ID: <470A57B0.27875.1A543731@slb.inkspot.net> We will often look at a customer's file at no charge, but we bury a file-output charge in the job, and almost all of the time the file we're examining is for a job to which they've already committed. We don't have an issue with plugging in their flash drive to get the file--our machines are well defended against malware, and a flash drive is not very different from a cd in this regard. That said, we have always shied away from offering any kind of computer facility for customers. It's too easy for computer-time rental to turn into a support-nightmare-timesink. Steve > > We incorporate a $10 output to DPM charge (includes one proof copy). > We occasionally have someone that wants to do this, usually they are just > sending the file to us. > > Otherwise, we do not allow our customers on our computers. (unless they are > one of my > top 10 - and they are too busy to be doing their own work anyway.) We were > constantly > having people make inquiries and tried it a couple of times, and that is all > it took to > see that it was not going to be an easy thing to manage. They do walk in > with a cd > or flashdrive and are told about the $10 charge - anything outside of that > (typesetting > or adding their logo, etc) goes onto the pre-press department schedule. If > they can't > wait a day or two, we refer them to a competitor (a friendly one who refers > to us if they are busy) > > > > Jodi Bowser > Pyramid Printing > Missoula, Montana > jodib@blackfoot.net > 406-728-1503 > fax 406-728-0505 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 11:12 AM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Assistants Please > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Jodi thanks for your response. As far as the computer time. We > > constantly > > have customers request access to our computer to retrieve their work to > > be > > printed. I wanted to know if anyone else rents computer space for > > customer's. > > I already charge them $8 to access our's If so what are you guys > > charging? > > > > Tommy Melendez > > > > > > Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. > > 3612 E. Tremont Avenue > > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > > NAQP Member #1031539 > > 718.904.7760 > > 718.892.2315 Fax > > _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) > > > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > > http://www.aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2578 (20071008) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From slb at inkspot.net Mon Oct 8 16:20:25 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon Oct 8 16:21:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] CLEAR WAFER SEALS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <470A58C9.15478.1A588390@slb.inkspot.net> We have an Accufast tabber, which, according to its specification, does not work with clear tabs. We also have a Rena tabber (dropped into our laps at an auction) that does fine with clear tabs, and have it on a table that matches its output height to the conveyor for the Accufast, so we can swap as needed. So far, though, white tabs have been fine for our customers... Steve > > We are having more and more customers become fixated on clear wafer seals. > With our Buskro tabber, the transluscent and white run like a bat out of > hell, but the clear are always problematic. We have even sent a few jobs > out that were done on Kirk Rudy tabbers. > > The question is, what brand of tabber do you use and how well does it do > with clear? > > > > Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below > should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a > statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general > edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. > > "To each there comes in their lifetime a special moment when they are > figuratively tapped on the shoulder and offered the chance to do a very > special thing, unique to them and fitted to their talents. What a tragedy > if that moment finds them unprepared or unqualified for that which could > have been their finest hour." --Winston Churchill > > "When a nation has allowed itself to fall under a tyrannical regime, it > cannot be absolved from the faults due to the guilt of the > regime." --Winston Churchill > > > Ron Taggart, President > PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. > 4246 Hudson Drive > Stow, Ohio 44224 > 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 > www.printingconcepts.com > ron@printingconcepts.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2578 (20071008) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Mon Oct 8 16:28:49 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Mon Oct 8 16:25:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Contact management software In-Reply-To: <20071008194341.A340EBF3847@rb.enter.net> References: <20071008194341.A340EBF3847@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Also, a calendar is built into PrintPoint print management software. P.S. Your signature was missing! > Does anyone have a suggestion for a contact management system that > works on > mac and pc?? Thanks, craig/sutter printing Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From craig at sutterprinting.com Mon Oct 8 16:26:51 2007 From: craig at sutterprinting.com (Craig Baise) Date: Mon Oct 8 16:27:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Contact management software In-Reply-To: <470A56AC.16873.1A504164@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: Thanks, Steve On 10/8/07 1:11 PM, "Steve Blatman" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I don't know what works on a mac, but the two biggest names seem to > be ACT and Goldmine. I use ACT, which seems to be a good solution for > a single salesman/selling owner. I'm told that Goldmine is a much > better solution if you have multiple people involved in the sales end > of your operation. > > Incidentally, Printers Plan currently is said to integrate with ACT > (but not, I believe, with the latest version), and PrintSmith > supposedly is intending to integrate with ACT or Goldmine (still > under discussion) at their next major release. > > Steve > >> >> Does anyone have a suggestion for a contact management system that works on >> mac and pc?? Thanks, craig/sutter printing >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> __________ NOD32 2578 (20071008) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From brian at mousegraphics.com Mon Oct 8 16:51:53 2007 From: brian at mousegraphics.com (Brian Perkinson) Date: Mon Oct 8 16:52:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] K2 UV Coater anyone? In-Reply-To: References: <20071008175630.9F04ABF320F@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <470A9869.9090301@mousegraphics.com> Eugene Montanez wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are in the process of possibly acquiring another company and I was > wondering if anyone else out there purchased one of the K2 UV coaters? > (they have one) > > I would like to get some ideas about operation, uses, etc. from another > user. I don't have one, but K2 had financial problems and I think they went bankrupt. They might still be around, but you're probably on your own if you run into problems. Brian -- Brian Perkinson Mousegraphics 1414 W 14th St Tempe, AZ 85281 480-894-1992 1-888-88 MOUSE brian@mousegraphics.com www.mousegraphics.com From kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com Mon Oct 8 17:03:15 2007 From: kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com (Kirk Squiers) Date: Mon Oct 8 17:03:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Friendly Help Message-ID: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111D682@fpserver.FP.local> Best piece of equipment I ever invested in!! Kirk K. Squiers Central Michigan Graphics 1200 E. Oakland Lansing, Michigan 48906 www.centralmichigangraphics.com 517-230-8600 kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of VillagePrinting1@aol.com Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 4:14 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Friendly Help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We just had a KM salesperson give us a presentation on the KM6500. We have a date for 3 of my employees to go to their facilities to run some of our regular orders. Seeming that most of these units are in pristine operating conditions. We are asking for anyone that is located near us, to just get a see or a feel of how the machine works. If anyone can, please let me know. Thanks Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ron at printingconcepts.com Mon Oct 8 17:13:34 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Mon Oct 8 17:07:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: FSC (for printers) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for some good information John. When I first heard about and smelled the FSC concept I said "clever chain letter". Get wide-eyed young buyers, brainwashed since birth by the environmentalists, and have them require an ever widening net of people to get this certification. The CATO newsletter has a great analysis of how environmentalism has become an ideology first, and second a coherent effort to conserve the planet. I am wondering if any industry trade groups have considered the idea of exposing this for what it is: tapping the resources of others while providing no real service with the money you extort. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 2:45 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re: FSC (for printers) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 10/8/2007 1:50:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bherion@bucksdigital.com writes: Nothing wrong with doing the right thing, but this FSC certification business is, well, a business. The founding company (yes, its roots are in many greenies), only outlines the guidelines. The certs are all done by third parties. Fine and well. I've spent some time checking this organization out and some of the things I have uncovered bother me a bit. First, you can go to this site to check out their ratings as compared to other non-profits. They only receive one star on a scale of 1-4. _http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm/bay/search.summary/orgid/5961.htm _ (http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm/bay/search.summary/orgid/5961.htm ) Second, about half their members are timber companies, wood pulp companies, etc., many of whom are members for self-serving reasons I suspect... you will have to do some heavy research on this group, but I sure would be hesitant to spend the expense and the efforts to get certified. Third, clients asking that you become certified ought to be directed at the following cite for a lengthy article written titled: Trading in Credibility: The Myths and Realities of the Forest Stewardship Council. The link is: _http://www.rainforestfoundationuk.org/files/Trading%20in%20Credibility%20fu ll %20report.pdf_ (http://www.rainforestfoundationuk.org/files/Trading%20in%20Credibility%20fu ll%20report.pdf) By the way, the above article is written by the Rainforest Foundation, which also get a low rating by the non-profit rating service cited above. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From zapit at zapcolor.com Mon Oct 8 17:14:47 2007 From: zapit at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez) Date: Mon Oct 8 17:20:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] K2 UV Coater anyone? In-Reply-To: <20071008210337.DA3D3BF3D4E@rb.enter.net> References: <20071008210337.DA3D3BF3D4E@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: I know they are gone, but the concept they used was used by others, AB Dick press applying the UV coating, then going thru the UV lamps. The system they have runs fine, but they are not using it for spot or other creative uses, something I would like to try, but get input from any other users. On Oct 8, 2007, at 2:03 PM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > > I don't have one, but K2 had financial problems and I think they went > bankrupt. They might still be around, but you're probably on your > own if > you run into problems. > > Brian > > > -- > > Brian Perkinson > Mousegraphics > 1414 W 14th St Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Mon Oct 8 17:37:49 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Mon Oct 8 17:33:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Contact management software In-Reply-To: <20071008210337.BB803BF3D4B@rb.enter.net> References: <20071008210337.BB803BF3D4B@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <789e2377e7ceb3834b6f7e5715cb39a6@sheergraphics.com> In my haste, I wrote that PrintPoint has a calendar - I neglected to say that the 'Calendar' has a contact managing feature, with a diary for production or sales or administration events and telephone calls. This can link to a job ticket to record events specific to that job. > > > Also, a calendar is built into PrintPoint print management software. > Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From bherion at bucksdigital.com Mon Oct 8 17:38:13 2007 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Mon Oct 8 17:39:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: K2 UV Coater In-Reply-To: <20071008194341.C1813BF384A@rb.enter.net> References: <20071008194341.C1813BF384A@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071008173120.03311f40@bucksdigital.com> At 03:43 PM 10/8/2007, you wrote: >We are in the process of possibly acquiring another company and I was >wondering if anyone else out there purchased one of the K2 UV >coaters? (they have one) > >I would like to get some ideas about operation, uses, etc. from >another user. > >Thanks Gene, Had one. It was built on an ABDick 380. If I can't answer your questions, I have phone number of the ONLY guy who can help (he was their engineer / designer). Heck, I'll give that number to you, anyway. FYI to everyone...K2 is no longer. The owner (Tim Baechle) is believed to have skipped the country to allegedly avoid prosecution. I am only one of a few who ever really received a machine. Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From smc at sorrentomesa.com Mon Oct 8 17:46:50 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Mon Oct 8 17:49:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Friendly Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200710082149.l98LnSqF033064@i2bnetworks.com> Hmmm, you know you could fly out here.... Another nice day http://tinyurl.com/2wjtvn and a you will never get a more in-depth, to the point demonstration of the capabilities of the 6500/CREO, then from me. But you'll have to wear shorts......and there's this great taco stand down by Torrey Pines beach.... Some on this list have even been there.... S. At 01:14 PM 10/8/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We just had a KM salesperson give us a presentation on the KM6500. We have >a date for 3 of my employees to go to their facilities to run some of our >regular orders. Seeming that most of these units are in pristine operating >conditions. We are asking for anyone that is located near us, to >just get a see >or a feel of how the machine works. If anyone can, please let me know. > >Thanks > >Tommy Melendez > > >Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. >3612 E. Tremont Avenue >Bronx, N.Y. 10465 >NAQP Member #1031539 >718.904.7760 >718.892.2315 Fax >_www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) > > > > >************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2578 (20071008) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From printer at ptialaska.net Mon Oct 8 18:18:33 2007 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Mon Oct 8 18:18:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Friendly Help In-Reply-To: <200710082149.l98LnSqF033064@i2bnetworks.com> References: <200710082149.l98LnSqF033064@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <5D21EFD1-FB40-4777-807C-21F65E0FB875@ptialaska.net> On Oct 8, 2007, at 1:46 PM, Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > Hmmm, you know you could fly out here.... > Another nice day http://tinyurl.com/2wjtvn and a you will never > get a more in-depth, to the point demonstration of the capabilities > of the 6500/CREO, then from me. > But you'll have to wear shorts......and there's this great taco > stand down by Torrey Pines beach.... REPLY: Scott, don't you ever get tired of the weather there, no challenges whatsoever. It is snowing here today, folks are excited to get their snowmachines (snowmobile) going. Now my wife would like to live in warmer climes but I am not sure if I could handle the predictability of it all. We do have excellent Mexican food here as well, several authentic restaurants have opened, this really is the LAST FRONTIER! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From nt at andrewsblueprint.com Mon Oct 8 20:17:55 2007 From: nt at andrewsblueprint.com (Nancy Thomsen) Date: Mon Oct 8 20:19:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Friendly Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20071008171543.02b9e648@mail.andrewsblueprint.com> We checked out the c6500 at the KM office. Even though their machine was configured a bit differently form the one we purchased, we didn't notice any significant differences. YMMV. Nancy At 01:14 PM 10/8/2007, VillagePrinting1@aol.com wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We just had a KM salesperson give us a presentation on the KM6500. We have >a date for 3 of my employees to go to their facilities to run some of our >regular orders. Seeming that most of these units are in pristine operating >conditions. We are asking for anyone that is located near us, to >just get a see >or a feel of how the machine works. If anyone can, please let me know. > >Thanks > >Tommy Melendez Nancy Thomsen Andrews Blueprint, Inc. 269 Griffin St. Salinas, CA 93901 831-424-0331 Fax 831-424-7485 Fax www.andrewsblueprint.com From rick at jmjprinting.com Mon Oct 8 23:32:15 2007 From: rick at jmjprinting.com (Rick Foster) Date: Mon Oct 8 23:27:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC-more things to spend money on In-Reply-To: <00b101c809c3$3f66bef0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <00b101c809c3$3f66bef0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: In reference to the message sent by Dan Huntingford, on 10/8/07, at 8:52 AM -0700: >But for a cost of approximately $2000. we'll never earn it back. At a cost of $2000? You've got to be kidding. I'll just start my own earth friendly club and certify myself. -- Rick _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Rick B. Foster JMJ Printing Co. LLC - Snohomish, WA mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com http://www.jmjprinting.com 425.334.9716 Your Full Service Print Shop 425.397.9716 Fax We Appreciate Your Business! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From bcreighton at danielsprinting.us Tue Oct 9 00:03:35 2007 From: bcreighton at danielsprinting.us (Bill Creighton) Date: Tue Oct 9 00:04:51 2007 Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [PrintOwners] FSC-more things to spend money on In-Reply-To: References: <00b101c809c3$3f66bef0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <470AFD97.9070505@danielsprinting.us> What a great idea. Let's form a PO Earth Friendly Certification Program amongst us. Cost effective and inexpensive as we would do our own advertising. Bill Rick Foster wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > In reference to the message sent by Dan Huntingford, on 10/8/07, at > 8:52 AM -0700: > >> But for a cost of approximately $2000. we'll never earn it back. > > At a cost of $2000? You've got to be kidding. > I'll just start my own earth friendly club and certify myself. -- Bill Creighton Daniels Printing 2141 Priest Bridge Drive #5 Crofton, MD 21114 301.261.3426 bcreighton@danielsprinting.us From ron at printingconcepts.com Tue Oct 9 08:56:21 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Tue Oct 9 08:50:13 2007 Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [PrintOwners] FSC-more things to spend money on In-Reply-To: <470AFD97.9070505@danielsprinting.us> Message-ID: >What a great idea. Let's form a PO Earth Friendly Certification Program amongst us. Cost effective and inexpensive as we would do our own advertising.< Bill: Would the "PO" stand for "Printowners" or "P***ED OFF"? Ron Taggart -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Bill Creighton Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:04 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: [PrintOwners] FSC-more things to spend money on ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** What a great idea. Let's form a PO Earth Friendly Certification Program amongst us. Cost effective and inexpensive as we would do our own advertising. Bill Rick Foster wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > In reference to the message sent by Dan Huntingford, on 10/8/07, at > 8:52 AM -0700: > >> But for a cost of approximately $2000. we'll never earn it back. > > At a cost of $2000? You've got to be kidding. > I'll just start my own earth friendly club and certify myself. -- Bill Creighton Daniels Printing 2141 Priest Bridge Drive #5 Crofton, MD 21114 301.261.3426 bcreighton@danielsprinting.us _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jdaghir at gmail.com Tue Oct 9 08:50:41 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Tue Oct 9 08:51:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Assistants Please In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83d5b9620710090550he2d2ea7yb72909d149ad34c0@mail.gmail.com> We actually gained business when we moved about 10 years ago, but we moved from a downtown tourist area to an uptown retail business district. I suspect that unless a significant portion of your business is walk-up you shouldn't lose much with the move as long as you make your customers aware of the move ahead of time. As far as computer time is concerned customers are not allowed to use our computers. We will copy files from a USB thumb drive and for our better customers or a larger order we will retrieve files from a website on occasion. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com On 10/8/07, VillagePrinting1@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have just been alerted that I have three months to leave my premises. I've > been operating out of here since Nov 02' I went the cheap way when I > purchased the existing tenants business. And didn't use my lawyer to re-negotiate > the lease. The original lease was set to expire in Nov. 08' I had an issue > last year with the managing company of building. One that out of spite I will > not take care of. <--(Will send problem direct to whom ever asks.) > Anyway, management will not except my rent checks any longer. I have a new > location located by an expressway with lots of traffic. It's ? mile away from my > present location on the same main avenue. When one door closes another one > opens. Best of all it's 3000 sq. ft as oppose to my, & don't laugh like some > did at conference you know who you are. : ) 875 sq. ft. What should I expect > as far as the immediate loss of revenues. And what are your feelings on > renting computer time? From cpurvine1 at cox.net Tue Oct 9 10:30:53 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Tue Oct 9 10:31:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Test Message-ID: <004a01c80a80$ff981df0$6601a8c0@corapurvine> Hello????........... Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Tue Oct 9 10:35:19 2007 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Tue Oct 9 10:34:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Test In-Reply-To: <004a01c80a80$ff981df0$6601a8c0@corapurvine> References: <004a01c80a80$ff981df0$6601a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: Hi. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com On Oct 9, 2007, at 10:30 AM, Cora Purvine wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello????........... > > Class Act Printing and Foil > Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners > 5801 W. Juno Ave. > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 > cpurvine1@cox.net > www.ClassActPrinting.biz > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From ahavens at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 9 11:13:06 2007 From: ahavens at sbcglobal.net (Havens Printing and Copy Shop) Date: Tue Oct 9 11:10:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Test References: <004a01c80a80$ff981df0$6601a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <003b01c80a86$e54d1a30$1a01a8c0@Leah> "Hollo 's dat you?" Austin Havens, Owner Havens Printing & Copy Shop 200 N Main McPherson, KS 67460 620-241-5400 ahavens@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cora Purvine" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 9:30 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Test > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello????........... > > Class Act Printing and Foil > Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners > 5801 W. Juno Ave. > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 > cpurvine1@cox.net > www.ClassActPrinting.biz > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From eking at whidbeyprinters.com Tue Oct 9 12:12:27 2007 From: eking at whidbeyprinters.com (Eric at Whidbey Printers) Date: Tue Oct 9 12:12:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Test In-Reply-To: <004a01c80a80$ff981df0$6601a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: Is this the party with whom I am connected? On 10/9/07 7:30 AM, "Cora Purvine" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello????........... > > Class Act Printing and Foil > Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners > 5801 W. Juno Ave. > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 > cpurvine1@cox.net > www.ClassActPrinting.biz > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > -- 2003 & 2002 Quality Award - Oak Harbor Chamber of Commerce 2001 Business of the Year - Oak Harbor Chamber of Commerce Eric King Whidbey Printers 1330 SW Barlow St #1 Oak Harbor, WA 98277 360-675-8837 Fax 360-679-4120 eking@whidbeyprinters.com From ron at printingconcepts.com Tue Oct 9 13:41:59 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Tue Oct 9 13:42:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] FSC: COUNTERING THE THREAT Message-ID: I have written here before that I resent the Forest Stewardship Council (FSC) scamming my vendors into pressuring me to spend money on a meaningless and expensive process of certification. Unfortunately, with more and more young people becoming print buyers this is one stupid initiative I don't think can be ignored. We will be drafting a letter to our customers who have inquired whether we are certified citing some of the concerns we have discovered about FSC. I would urge you to pass on the following website as a preemptive measure so that your customers know ahead of time what a scam this is. http://www.fsc-watch.org/ Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "To each there comes in their lifetime a special moment when they are figuratively tapped on the shoulder and offered the chance to do a very special thing, unique to them and fitted to their talents. What a tragedy if that moment finds them unprepared or unqualified for that which could have been their finest hour." --Winston Churchill "When a nation has allowed itself to fall under a tyrannical regime, it cannot be absolved from the faults due to the guilt of the regime." --Winston Churchill Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Wed Oct 10 11:14:29 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Wed Oct 10 11:10:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pitstop, RGB to black Message-ID: We received a pretty, gaily multi-colored PDF file in RGB for offset printing of a black and PMS business form. (Don't you love these amateurs?) A Harlequin RIP takes care of the imagesetter. In Pitstop, the 'Global Change' is confusing the pre-press operator. Does anybody have precise, step-by-step instructions of how to convert this artistic mess into a 2 color business form? Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Wed Oct 10 11:51:13 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Wed Oct 10 11:51:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: HELP! Message-ID: We are being force out of our location. And I have just found out that it is going to be a problem keeping the same phone line. I don't use Verizon anymore. We use a third party phone line service. Once again, going cheap is biting me in the butt. Since I have to move & the original company name was Village Duplicating & Graphics is not mine. That corp. has been dissolved. We've been operating as a dba since April 07'. My corp. name is MJM Group Inc. This is where I need help. My personal name was never under the original Village corp papers. I was more of a silent partner. I did sign for all the equipment on the premises. Would it be in poor taste or unethical to have one or more of these machines picked up. In other words, I don't want to keep the 13? a copy Lanier 5813 $489.00 a month, which we run mostly 12 x 18's & they print about 4 copies a min at that size. Village name has two years to go on lease. Tech can't & I mean CAN'T get it to print properly anymore. He changed the drum the other day & gave it a long PM & still have streaks. I just can't see paying them another dollar for a machine that is not printing as it used to. We also have a Canon 7095 which I even had to service myself before I left to Chicago. I called for service that morning before my flight, that the machine was not making copies. I got the machine to work before tech arrived. Tech worked on the unit and the machine went down again, claiming it needed a part. Well I couldn't take that for an answer & worked on the machine again and got it running, & since then we've made over 60,000 without going down NO PART NEEDED!. Canon called to work on the machine & my employees were told in no circumstance are they allowed to touch the machine without my permission. This is how bad the tech's are by me. We just recently had a presentation done by a rep from Konica Minolta. Of course during our presentation from KM the salesperson looked at print from 5813 & ask me if I was ok with the streaks. My response was that fortunately, this particular client loved the piece, so there are some clients that don't realized that prints are not up to par. Myself & my employees are hungry for better copies and service. I have a great gang here that do appreciate what we do for others. Hence, why I closed the doors for an hour & included them on the presentation. This way they can have the answers to all their questions. I feel like I'm intitled to get rid of these machines that are NON productive & hinders our way of quality & providing the service are customer's deserve! I'm a good natured guy & don't like to screw anyone. But I feel that if I'm changing my name & location and now my phone line. That we should start with a clean slate & work with equipment that will provide us with more capabilities & production time. NEED HELP!!!!!!!!!!!! on this! Thanks Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From sos at olympus.net Wed Oct 10 12:29:46 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed Oct 10 12:29:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: HELP! References: Message-ID: <01fb01c80b5a$c5693df0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> >NEED HELP!!!!!!!!!!!! on this! ================ Off hand I'd say you need a lawyer about the leases. When I took over this company we had Lanier copiers, which were not great, service was also not very good, especially after our main tech had health problems and quit. The Lanier company had never asked me to assume the leases, they were in the former owners names. They were very unresponsive to my concerns and so when I moved to a new location, I just left the old copiers and told them if they wanted them to pick them up. Which they did. I started out fresh with all Xerox copiers. Ten years later I still feel kind of bad about that. I have never reneged on a deal or missed a payment in my life, ever. If they had shown the tiniest bit of interest in keeping us as a customer I wouldn't have been, what I felt was forced, to disassociate from them. Anyway, good luck. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From kellycrom at gmail.com Wed Oct 10 13:00:14 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Wed Oct 10 13:01:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: HELP! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006201c80b5f$081a0220$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Tommy, I would find it hard to believe(except if your new location is under a different area code) that you can't keep the same phone number(I think the phone companies refer to it as Local Number Portability). I would really go after your phone service provider and have them look into it deeper. When we moved, we switched area codes, so we couldn't keep the same phone numbers as our physical lines. But, through our "3rd party" phone provider, we are able to retain "ownership" of our old number and have calls to it forwarded to our new main numbers. Here they call it a Market Expansion Line. It costs us about $10.00/month to have the expansion line service, and we can drop it at any time. Our phone company even gives us a monthly report that shows how many calls are still dialing the old number, and also their telephone numbers, so we can give friendly reminders to those people who we want to update their information with our new numbers. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We?ve Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of > VillagePrinting1@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 10:51 AM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: HELP! > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are being force out of our location. And I have just > found out that it > is going to be a problem keeping the same phone line. I > don't use Verizon > anymore. We use a third party phone line service. Once > again, going cheap is > biting me in the butt. > > Since I have to move & the original company name was Village > Duplicating & > Graphics is not mine. That corp. has been dissolved. We've > been operating as > a dba since April 07'. My corp. name is MJM Group Inc. > This is where I > need help. My personal name was never under the original > Village corp papers. I > was more of a silent partner. I did sign for all the > equipment on the > premises. Would it be in poor taste or unethical to have one > or more of these > machines picked up. In other words, I don't want to keep > the 13? a copy > Lanier 5813 $489.00 a month, which we run mostly 12 x 18's & > they print about 4 > copies a min at that size. Village name has two years to go > on lease. Tech > can't & I mean CAN'T get it to print properly anymore. He > changed the drum the > other day & gave it a long PM & still have streaks. I just > can't see paying > them another dollar for a machine that is not printing as it > used to. We > also have a Canon 7095 which I even had to service myself > before I left to > Chicago. I called for service that morning before my flight, > that the machine > was not making copies. I got the machine to work before tech > arrived. Tech > worked on the unit and the machine went down again, claiming > it needed a part. > Well I couldn't take that for an answer & worked on the > machine again and > got it running, & since then we've made over 60,000 without > going down NO PART > NEEDED!. Canon called to work on the machine & my employees > were told in > no circumstance are they allowed to touch the machine without > my permission. > This is how bad the tech's are by me. We just recently had > a presentation > done by a rep from Konica Minolta. Of course during our > presentation from KM > the salesperson looked at print from 5813 & ask me if I was > ok with the > streaks. My response was that fortunately, this particular > client loved the piece, > so there are some clients that don't realized that prints > are not up to par. > Myself & my employees are hungry for better copies and > service. I have a > great gang here that do appreciate what we do for others. > Hence, why I closed > the doors for an hour & included them on the presentation. > This way they > can have the answers to all their questions. I feel like I'm > intitled to get > rid of these machines that are NON productive & hinders our > way of quality & > providing the service are customer's deserve! > > I'm a good natured guy & don't like to screw anyone. But I > feel that if I'm > changing my name & location and now my phone line. That we > should start > with a clean slate & work with equipment that will provide us > with more > capabilities & production time. > > NEED HELP!!!!!!!!!!!! on this! > > Thanks > > Tommy Melendez > > > Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. > 3612 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > NAQP Member #1031539 > 718.904.7760 > 718.892.2315 Fax > _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) > > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Wed Oct 10 13:22:57 2007 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Wed Oct 10 13:21:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Text Box Properties In-Reply-To: <006201c80b5f$081a0220$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <006201c80b5f$081a0220$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <64D9D8F9-17BE-4CA3-83DC-013E4073DEBE@falconprintandcopy.com> I'm quite confident this is something I should already know, but I'm looking for some advice for both InDesign and Quark for this. The actual issue is having text hyphenated at the end of a line in a text box. Regardless of justification, everything I have hyphenates at the end of a line if the spacing requires it. In case this is necessary (from an article about the Redskins in case the content seems weird), this is what I have: Gibbs and Williams, however, were confident an overhaul was not nece- ssary, believing improvement could occur defensively by ma- king a few good personnel moves and minor chang- es in their scheme. And this is what I want: Gibbs and Williams, however, were confident an overhaul was not necessary, believing improvement could occur defensively by making a few good personnel moves and minor changes in their scheme. Currently I move through all the text and enter manual returns, and I know there must be a better way. Again, if I could get it in InDesign and Quark that would be great. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Wed Oct 10 13:34:04 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Wed Oct 10 13:34:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Text Box Properties Message-ID: I hate when that happens. SO I want to know how to fix this without the manual adjustments also. Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From bherion at bucksdigital.com Wed Oct 10 13:44:41 2007 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Wed Oct 10 13:45:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: FSC: COUNTERING THE THREAT In-Reply-To: <20071010160003.49B88BF9698@rb.enter.net> References: <20071010160003.49B88BF9698@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071010133613.03371e90@bucksdigital.com> At 12:00 PM 10/10/2007, you wrote: >Unfortunately, with more and more >young people becoming print buyers ... > >http://www.fsc-watch.org/ >Ron Taggart, President I remember seeing a printbuyers list somewhere. If anyone has that, maybe they would repost this there... Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From swiftyprinting at mac.com Wed Oct 10 13:48:21 2007 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Wed Oct 10 13:49:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Text Box Properties In-Reply-To: <64D9D8F9-17BE-4CA3-83DC-013E4073DEBE@falconprintandcopy.com> References: <006201c80b5f$081a0220$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <64D9D8F9-17BE-4CA3-83DC-013E4073DEBE@falconprintandcopy.com> Message-ID: <2A15AEAD-8FA9-4AF0-AD2F-2161FCB140E3@mac.com> On Oct 10, 2007, at 1:22 PM, Borzou Azabdaftari wrote: > I'm quite confident this is something I should already know, but > I'm looking for some advice for both InDesign and Quark for this. > The actual issue is having text hyphenated at the end of a line in > a text box. Regardless of justification, everything I have > hyphenates at the end of a line if the spacing requires it. InDesign Window-Type-Paragraph Bottom left corner of of the paragraph window is a check box for hyphen-ation. Highlight the paragraph and either check or uncheck it. This is a on off switch. With both Quark and InDesign you can set rules for when, how, many characters, etc. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com From alewinter at datapalette.com Wed Oct 10 13:55:30 2007 From: alewinter at datapalette.com (Andrew LeWinter) Date: Wed Oct 10 13:53:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pitstop, RGB to black References: Message-ID: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D501E7159@mail1.datapalette.local> We had a similar problem a few months ago. Unfortunately, I don't remember the nuts and bolts answer. But I can tell you that we called Enfocus in CA and spoke to Lance at ext. 42. He was extremely helpful and gave us a step-by-step tutorial on the phone. Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Simon Sheers Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 11:14 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Pitstop, RGB to black ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We received a pretty, gaily multi-colored PDF file in RGB for offset printing of a black and PMS business form. (Don't you love these amateurs?) A Harlequin RIP takes care of the imagesetter. In Pitstop, the 'Global Change' is confusing the pre-press operator. Does anybody have precise, step-by-step instructions of how to convert this artistic mess into a 2 color business form? Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From championprinting at yahoo.com Wed Oct 10 13:56:27 2007 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Wed Oct 10 13:57:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: HELP! Message-ID: <833665.12731.qm@web38906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> One of our customers moved from MD to PA and kept the MD phone #. They are using Vonage. They say you need a reliable HS internet connection to do this. Talking with them on the phone is no different than any other land line. I suspect there are other companies that have a similar service. http://vonage.com/index.php?ic=1 http://www.vonage.com/services_premium_sb.php?lid=nav_services&refer_id=WEBSB070501001W1 Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:00:14 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] RE: HELP! ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Tommy, I would find it hard to believe(except if your new location is under a different area code) that you can't keep the same phone number(I think the phone companies refer to it as Local Number Portability). I would really go after your phone service provider and have them look into it deeper. When we moved, we switched area codes, so we couldn't keep the same phone numbers as our physical lines. But, through our "3rd party" phone provider, we are able to retain "ownership" of our old number and have calls to it forwarded to our new main numbers. Here they call it a Market Expansion Line. It costs us about $10.00/month to have the expansion line service, and we can drop it at any time. Our phone company even gives us a monthly report that shows how many calls are still dialing the old number, and also their telephone numbers, so we can give friendly reminders to those people who we want to update their information with our new numbers. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We?ve Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of > VillagePrinting1@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 10:51 AM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: HELP! > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are being force out of our location. And I have just > found out that it > is going to be a problem keeping the same phone line. I > don't use Verizon > anymore. We use a third party phone line service. Once > again, going cheap is > biting me in the butt. > > Since I have to move & the original company name was Village > Duplicating & > Graphics is not mine. That corp. has been dissolved. We've > been operating as > a dba since April 07'. My corp. name is MJM Group Inc. > This is where I > need help. My personal name was never under the original > Village corp papers. I > was more of a silent partner. I did sign for all the > equipment on the > premises. Would it be in poor taste or unethical to have one > or more of these > machines picked up. In other words, I don't want to keep > the 13? a copy > Lanier 5813 $489.00 a month, which we run mostly 12 x 18's & > they print about 4 > copies a min at that size. Village name has two years to go > on lease. Tech > can't & I mean CAN'T get it to print properly anymore. He > changed the drum the > other day & gave it a long PM & still have streaks. I just > can't see paying > them another dollar for a machine that is not printing as it > used to. We > also have a Canon 7095 which I even had to service myself > before I left to > Chicago. I called for service that morning before my flight, > that the machine > was not making copies. I got the machine to work before tech > arrived. Tech > worked on the unit and the machine went down again, claiming > it needed a part. > Well I couldn't take that for an answer & worked on the > machine again and > got it running, & since then we've made over 60,000 without > going down NO PART > NEEDED!. Canon called to work on the machine & my employees > were told in > no circumstance are they allowed to touch the machine without > my permission. > This is how bad the tech's are by me. We just recently had > a presentation > done by a rep from Konica Minolta. Of course during our > presentation from KM > the salesperson looked at print from 5813 & ask me if I was > ok with the > streaks. My response was that fortunately, this particular > client loved the piece, > so there are some clients that don't realized that prints > are not up to par. > Myself & my employees are hungry for better copies and > service. I have a > great gang here that do appreciate what we do for others. > Hence, why I closed > the doors for an hour & included them on the presentation. > This way they > can have the answers to all their questions. I feel like I'm > intitled to get > rid of these machines that are NON productive & hinders our > way of quality & > providing the service are customer's deserve! > > I'm a good natured guy & don't like to screw anyone. But I > feel that if I'm > changing my name & location and now my phone line. That we > should start > with a clean slate & work with equipment that will provide us > with more > capabilities & production time. > > NEED HELP!!!!!!!!!!!! on this! > > Thanks > > Tommy Melendez > > > Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. > 3612 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > NAQP Member #1031539 > 718.904.7760 > 718.892.2315 Fax > _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) From bherion at bucksdigital.com Wed Oct 10 13:53:15 2007 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Wed Oct 10 14:00:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 26, Issue 36 In-Reply-To: <20071010160003.49B88BF9698@rb.enter.net> References: <20071010160003.49B88BF9698@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071010135104.0336fab8@bucksdigital.com> Are you asking permission to skip town? I feel your pain, but your answers should really come from your lawyers and your conscience. At 12:00 PM 10/10/2007, you wrote: >I'm a good natured guy & don't like to screw anyone. But I feel that if I'm >changing my name & location and now my phone line. That we should start >with a clean slate & work with equipment that will provide us with more >capabilities & production time. > >NEED HELP!!!!!!!!!!!! on this! > >Thanks > >Tommy Melendez > > >Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. >3612 E. Tremont Avenue >Bronx, N.Y. 10465 >NAQP Member #1031539 >718.904.7760 >718.892.2315 Fax Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From swiftyprinting at mac.com Wed Oct 10 14:20:53 2007 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Wed Oct 10 14:22:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pitstop, RGB to black In-Reply-To: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D501E7159@mail1.datapalette.local> References: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D501E7159@mail1.datapalette.local> Message-ID: > In Pitstop, the 'Global Change' is confusing the pre-press operator. > > Does anybody have precise, step-by-step instructions of how to convert > this artistic mess into a 2 color business form? Most likely it will be a multi step process. Images need to go to grayscale first. This can be done through "Action List" (WIndow-Action List) Here you can select the one which works for you - RGB to grayscale or to a specific color. Global change can take care of taking one specific color and then choose the color you want and apply to either selection, page or whole document. This is Windows-Global Change - color. Unfortunately exact instructions can be long since there are so many ways of doing it. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com If you are stuck you can send the PDF to me at jobs@arlingtonswifty.com From sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com Wed Oct 10 15:01:44 2007 From: sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com (Travis) Date: Wed Oct 10 15:04:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: HELP! In-Reply-To: <833665.12731.qm@web38906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <833665.12731.qm@web38906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001f01c80b70$01800930$04801b90$@com> Vonage, and other VOIP software would be ideal if it worked in your area. Sadly we are still waiting here in Alaska. Travis Lewis Date-Line Digital Printing Fairbanks, Alaska -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ted Gelletly Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:56 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: HELP! ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** One of our customers moved from MD to PA and kept the MD phone #. They are using Vonage. They say you need a reliable HS internet connection to do this. Talking with them on the phone is no different than any other land line. I suspect there are other companies that have a similar service. http://vonage.com/index.php?ic=1 http://www.vonage.com/services_premium_sb.php?lid=nav_services&refer_id=WEBS B070501001W1 Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:00:14 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] RE: HELP! ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Tommy, I would find it hard to believe(except if your new location is under a different area code) that you can't keep the same phone number(I think the phone companies refer to it as Local Number Portability). I would really go after your phone service provider and have them look into it deeper. When we moved, we switched area codes, so we couldn't keep the same phone numbers as our physical lines. But, through our "3rd party" phone provider, we are able to retain "ownership" of our old number and have calls to it forwarded to our new main numbers. Here they call it a Market Expansion Line. It costs us about $10.00/month to have the expansion line service, and we can drop it at any time. Our phone company even gives us a monthly report that shows how many calls are still dialing the old number, and also their telephone numbers, so we can give friendly reminders to those people who we want to update their information with our new numbers. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We?ve Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of > VillagePrinting1@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 10:51 AM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: HELP! > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are being force out of our location. And I have just > found out that it > is going to be a problem keeping the same phone line. I > don't use Verizon > anymore. We use a third party phone line service. Once > again, going cheap is > biting me in the butt. > > Since I have to move & the original company name was Village > Duplicating & > Graphics is not mine. That corp. has been dissolved. We've > been operating as > a dba since April 07'. My corp. name is MJM Group Inc. > This is where I > need help. My personal name was never under the original > Village corp papers. I > was more of a silent partner. I did sign for all the > equipment on the > premises. Would it be in poor taste or unethical to have one > or more of these > machines picked up. In other words, I don't want to keep > the 13? a copy > Lanier 5813 $489.00 a month, which we run mostly 12 x 18's & > they print about 4 > copies a min at that size. Village name has two years to go > on lease. Tech > can't & I mean CAN'T get it to print properly anymore. He > changed the drum the > other day & gave it a long PM & still have streaks. I just > can't see paying > them another dollar for a machine that is not printing as it > used to. We > also have a Canon 7095 which I even had to service myself > before I left to > Chicago. I called for service that morning before my flight, > that the machine > was not making copies. I got the machine to work before tech > arrived. Tech > worked on the unit and the machine went down again, claiming > it needed a part. > Well I couldn't take that for an answer & worked on the > machine again and > got it running, & since then we've made over 60,000 without > going down NO PART > NEEDED!. Canon called to work on the machine & my employees > were told in > no circumstance are they allowed to touch the machine without > my permission. > This is how bad the tech's are by me. We just recently had > a presentation > done by a rep from Konica Minolta. Of course during our > presentation from KM > the salesperson looked at print from 5813 & ask me if I was > ok with the > streaks. My response was that fortunately, this particular > client loved the piece, > so there are some clients that don't realized that prints > are not up to par. > Myself & my employees are hungry for better copies and > service. I have a > great gang here that do appreciate what we do for others. > Hence, why I closed > the doors for an hour & included them on the presentation. > This way they > can have the answers to all their questions. I feel like I'm > intitled to get > rid of these machines that are NON productive & hinders our > way of quality & > providing the service are customer's deserve! > > I'm a good natured guy & don't like to screw anyone. But I > feel that if I'm > changing my name & location and now my phone line. That we > should start > with a clean slate & work with equipment that will provide us > with more > capabilities & production time. > > NEED HELP!!!!!!!!!!!! on this! > > Thanks > > Tommy Melendez > > > Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. > 3612 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > NAQP Member #1031539 > 718.904.7760 > 718.892.2315 Fax > _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From list at interiorgraphics.com Wed Oct 10 15:09:56 2007 From: list at interiorgraphics.com (Michelle at Interior Graphics) Date: Wed Oct 10 15:11:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Text Box Properties In-Reply-To: <64D9D8F9-17BE-4CA3-83DC-013E4073DEBE@falconprintandcopy.com> References: <006201c80b5f$081a0220$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <64D9D8F9-17BE-4CA3-83DC-013E4073DEBE@falconprintandcopy.com> Message-ID: <7C9798F4-A60B-43EA-AB43-2199FD1F062A@interiorgraphics.com> I'm not sure about Quark, because I don't use that program, but in InDesign, it's really easy. On the paragraph window (windows, types & tables, paragraph), if you click on the paragraph tab, you can click the hyphenate button down in the lower left corner, and it will either turn it on or off. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michelle Maynor "Your Personal Printer" Interior Graphics & Printing 770 8th Avenue Fairbanks, AK 99701 907.456.4982 phone 907.452.6992 fax "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the most." - John Ruskin On Oct 10, 2007, at 9:22 AM, Borzou Azabdaftari wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I'm quite confident this is something I should already know, but > I'm looking for some advice for both InDesign and Quark for this. > The actual issue is having text hyphenated at the end of a line in > a text box. Regardless of justification, everything I have > hyphenates at the end of a line if the spacing requires it. > > In case this is necessary (from an article about the Redskins in > case the content seems weird), this is what I have: > > Gibbs and Williams, however, were confident an overhaul was not nece- > ssary, believing improvement could occur defensively by ma- > king a few good personnel moves and minor chang- > es in their scheme. > > > And this is what I want: > > Gibbs and Williams, however, were confident an overhaul was not > necessary, believing improvement could occur defensively by > making a few good personnel moves and minor changes in their scheme. > > Currently I move through all the text and enter manual returns, and > I know there must be a better way. Again, if I could get it in > InDesign and Quark that would be great. > > > > Borzou Azabdaftari > Falcon Print and Copy > 1921 Gallows Road > Suite 150 > Vienna, VA 22182 > t.703.442.0124 > f.703.442.0134 > borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From si at ria.net Wed Oct 10 15:21:25 2007 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Wed Oct 10 15:24:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Text Box Properties In-Reply-To: <64D9D8F9-17BE-4CA3-83DC-013E4073DEBE@falconprintandcopy.co m> References: <006201c80b5f$081a0220$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <64D9D8F9-17BE-4CA3-83DC-013E4073DEBE@falconprintandcopy.com> Message-ID: <200710101923.l9AJNkE22642@plus50.host4u.net> At 01:22 PM 10/10/2007, Borzou wrote: >I'm quite confident this is something I should already know, but I'm >looking for some advice for both InDesign and Quark for this. The >actual issue is having text hyphenated at the end of a line in a text >box. Regardless of justification, everything I have hyphenates at >the end of a line if the spacing requires it. In Quark XPress... Edit ----> H&Js ----> Uncheck Auto Hyphenation Doug -- Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Wed Oct 10 15:57:03 2007 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Wed Oct 10 15:57:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF?: FICO Scores In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6CC808AE-3922-40CF-9A57-0FCE43D4DB7D@bellsouth.net> Anyone using a particular service to get their FICO scores from all 3 major credit bureaus? Went online to figure out which services were best. However, trying to compare various vendor's offers was a little time consuming. Free reports weren't really free. Sign up for a service, etc.... Don't mind paying, but want to make sure I get what I pay for. Does anyone have any recommendations? Thanks, Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 From david.doost at gmail.com Wed Oct 10 16:01:02 2007 From: david.doost at gmail.com (David Doost) Date: Wed Oct 10 16:06:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF?: FICO Scores In-Reply-To: <6CC808AE-3922-40CF-9A57-0FCE43D4DB7D@bellsouth.net> References: <6CC808AE-3922-40CF-9A57-0FCE43D4DB7D@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <470d30aa.1386460a.1b9f.fffff6af@mx.google.com> I've had good luck with Transunion's service: http://www.truecredit.com/entry/trueCreditEntry.jsp Unlimited access to ALL THREE of your credit reports and credit scores. $14.95 per month David Doost Printing Impression 1200 Barrett Parkway Suite 4 Kennesaw, GA 30144 770-422-8766 www.printingimpression.net -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ben Travis Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 3:57 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF?: FICO Scores ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Anyone using a particular service to get their FICO scores from all 3 major credit bureaus? Went online to figure out which services were best. However, trying to compare various vendor's offers was a little time consuming. Free reports weren't really free. Sign up for a service, etc.... Don't mind paying, but want to make sure I get what I pay for. Does anyone have any recommendations? Thanks, Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpc at clearnet.net Wed Oct 10 16:25:54 2007 From: cpc at clearnet.net (Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc.) Date: Wed Oct 10 16:26:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Outsourcing Process Color Press Work Message-ID: <470D3552.4020808@clearnet.net> Is there anyone on this list that offers process color (press) work for the trade? Prior to installing a KM C6500 in July we did not offer process color printing. The few jobs we did accept we sent up to Chuck Pappas at Arlington Swifty Printing to run on his IGen. (Chuck always does a great job for us by the way) Since the installation some of our existing short run digital color customers are asking about projects that are not good fits for digital. These are mostly longer runs that would be better suited for a press, but some are jobs that we don't have the finishing capabilities to do in house. Since these are existing customers with whom we have good relationships, I don't like to turn away the work. But because of the problems I feel are inherent in trying to outsource color, I have hesitated to look for a vendor. If there are any PrintOwners interested, you can contact me off list at the email address below. If anyone has a good source they are using now, please share. TIA Randy Hurley Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 17 South Third Street P.O. Box 23 Clearfield, PA 16830 814-765-4731 Fax: 814-765-1380 cpc@clearnet.net From armand at curryonline.com Wed Oct 10 16:30:27 2007 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Wed Oct 10 16:31:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF?: FICO Scores In-Reply-To: <6CC808AE-3922-40CF-9A57-0FCE43D4DB7D@bellsouth.net> References: <6CC808AE-3922-40CF-9A57-0FCE43D4DB7D@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <01b301c80b7c$652b5cd0$2f821670$@com> You are entitled by law to receive 1 report annually from each of the three credit reporting agencies. The only place to get your credit report for free (without trying to sell you subscriptions, etc.) is at http://annualcreditreport.com. However, the reports do not include your credit score. You can purchase your credit score. The best place to purchase the credit scores is direct from the source that created the FICO scores, Fair Isaac, at http://www.myfico.com/. What I do is set up my calendar to pull a report every 4 months, one from each credit reporting agency. That way I get to see updated info 3 times a year.. You can also get one free credit score from http://www.eloan.com/myeloan/viewscore. They are going to try to sell you a credit monitoring service but you do not have to purchase the service to get your one free score. If you want your credit score every month without paying for it, Washington Mutual has a credit card that reports your credit score on your monthly statement. Every month when you get your credit card statement, your FICO score will be on the statement. Hope this helps. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ben Travis Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 3:57 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF?: FICO Scores ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Anyone using a particular service to get their FICO scores from all 3 major credit bureaus? Went online to figure out which services were best. However, trying to compare various vendor's offers was a little time consuming. Free reports weren't really free. Sign up for a service, etc.... Don't mind paying, but want to make sure I get what I pay for. Does anyone have any recommendations? Thanks, Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Wed Oct 10 17:09:53 2007 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Wed Oct 10 17:10:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF?: FICO Scores In-Reply-To: <470d30aa.1386460a.1b9f.fffff6af@mx.google.com> References: <6CC808AE-3922-40CF-9A57-0FCE43D4DB7D@bellsouth.net> <470d30aa.1386460a.1b9f.fffff6af@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <94C3FA47-2E07-447B-912D-31D6A95D7702@bellsouth.net> Thanks! I'll check it out. Are you free to cancel anytime, or are you locked into a certain minimum number of months? Thanks again, Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Oct 10, 2007, at 4:01 PM, David Doost wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I've had good luck with Transunion's service: > > http://www.truecredit.com/entry/trueCreditEntry.jsp > > > Unlimited access to ALL THREE of your credit reports and credit > scores. > $14.95 per month > > David Doost > Printing Impression > 1200 Barrett Parkway Suite 4 > Kennesaw, GA 30144 > 770-422-8766 > www.printingimpression.net > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ben Travis > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 3:57 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF?: FICO Scores > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Anyone using a particular service to get their FICO scores from all 3 > major credit bureaus? > > Went online to figure out which services were best. However, trying > to compare various vendor's offers was a little time consuming. Free > reports weren't really free. Sign up for a service, etc.... > > Don't mind paying, but want to make sure I get what I pay for. > > Does anyone have any recommendations? > > Thanks, > Ben Travis > > Copy Express > 4004-A South Blvd. > Charlotte, NC 20209 > cpyxpres@bellsouth.net > 704-527-1750 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From jodib at blackfoot.net Wed Oct 10 17:15:24 2007 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Wed Oct 10 17:16:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Outsourcing Process Color Press Work References: <470D3552.4020808@clearnet.net> Message-ID: <007601c80b82$ac793de0$0101a8c0@desktoppbl> Randy: we have been working with 4 Over (4over.com) for approx. 2 years and have been VERY happy. The quality is great......they offer 3 diff. pricing structures - next y - 2 - 4 days and 5 - 7 days (brilliant concept in my opinion....eliminates the Rush Charge thing) and you can then choose your shipping options. We have picked up quite a bit of 4 color work and my pricing is very competitive with the 2 other printers in Missoula who offer in house 4 color work. 4 Over had a booth at graph expo, and in my opinion, they had tons of promotional advertising all through the convention center. They will opening a plant in Ohio (I think) and you could contact them to obtain print samples, a price book and a paper sample packet 1-877-782-2737 Feel free to call me if you have additional questions. Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing Missoula, Montana jodib@blackfoot.net 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc." To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:25 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Outsourcing Process Color Press Work > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Is there anyone on this list that offers process color (press) work for > the trade? Prior to installing a KM C6500 in July we did not offer process > color printing. The few jobs we did accept we sent up to Chuck Pappas at > Arlington Swifty Printing to run on his IGen. (Chuck always does a great > job for us by the way) Since the installation some of our existing short > run digital color customers are asking about projects that are not good > fits for digital. These are mostly longer runs that would be better suited > for a press, but some are jobs that we don't have the finishing > capabilities to do in house. Since these are existing customers with whom > we have good relationships, I don't like to turn away the work. But > because of the problems I feel are inherent in trying to outsource color, > I have hesitated to look for a vendor. > > If there are any PrintOwners interested, you can contact me off list at > the email address below. If anyone has a good source they are using now, > please share. > > TIA > > Randy Hurley > Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. > 17 South Third Street > P.O. Box 23 > Clearfield, PA 16830 > 814-765-4731 > Fax: 814-765-1380 > cpc@clearnet.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From villageprinting1 at aol.com Wed Oct 10 17:51:47 2007 From: villageprinting1 at aol.com (villageprinting1@aol.com) Date: Wed Oct 10 17:52:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 26, Issue 36 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20071010135104.0336fab8@bucksdigital.com> References: <20071010160003.49B88BF9698@rb.enter.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20071010135104.0336fab8@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <8C9D99EE3B4AF1B-530-AD@webmail-dd13.sysops.aol.com> LOL Bob.? Lawyer did give me the thumbs up already.? Stating that responsibility falls towards the original corp. & since I wasn't an officer Village & I didn't sign a personally guarantee that they should of had the corporation president sign those contracts.? He also said that these types of companies send out salespeople to get contracts without researching their potential candidates.? And it's their responsibilities to get the porper signatures. But your right Bob, I would feel better knowing that others would agree. Thanks Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax www.printing-n-graphics.com -----Original Message----- From: Bob Herion To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 1:53 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 26, Issue 36 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? Are you asking permission to skip town?? I feel your pain, but your answers should really come from your lawyers and your conscience.? ? At 12:00 PM 10/10/2007, you wrote:? >I'm a good natured guy & don't like to screw anyone. But I feel that if I'm? >changing my name & location and now my phone line. That we should start? >with a clean slate & work with equipment that will provide us with more? >capabilities & production time.? >? >NEED HELP!!!!!!!!!!!! on this!? >? >Thanks? >? >Tommy Melendez? >? >? >Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.? >3612 E. Tremont Avenue? >Bronx, N.Y. 10465? >NAQP Member #1031539? >718.904.7760? >718.892.2315 Fax? ? Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's? Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510? 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940? www.bucksdigital.com? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed Oct 10 18:03:34 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed Oct 10 18:06:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF?: FICO Scores In-Reply-To: <6CC808AE-3922-40CF-9A57-0FCE43D4DB7D@bellsouth.net> References: <6CC808AE-3922-40CF-9A57-0FCE43D4DB7D@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <200710102206.l9AM6EHP046806@i2bnetworks.com> www.myfico.com I pay $47.85 every 9-12 months to check all the reports. I could save 5$ if I subscribed every year and they auto debit my card... but I choose not to. I'm not into auto-debit anything. Then I file them away and move on to the next thing on my list. You've probably already spent $45 in time trying to figure all this out. One of my life rules: if its free, its probably worth what I paid for it. S. At 12:57 PM 10/10/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Anyone using a particular service to get their FICO scores from all 3 >major credit bureaus? > >Went online to figure out which services were best. However, trying >to compare various vendor's offers was a little time consuming. Free >reports weren't really free. Sign up for a service, etc.... > >Don't mind paying, but want to make sure I get what I pay for. > >Does anyone have any recommendations? > >Thanks, >Ben Travis > >Copy Express >4004-A South Blvd. >Charlotte, NC 20209 >cpyxpres@bellsouth.net >704-527-1750 > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2585 (20071010) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From joseph at mauiprintworks.com Wed Oct 10 18:49:35 2007 From: joseph at mauiprintworks.com (Joseph Marsh) Date: Wed Oct 10 18:50:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Contact management software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ACADB03-4B95-49B4-8B0D-E6286C75A31F@mauiprintworks.com> I use Daylite for the Mac, but I don't know if it will work on a PC. Joseph Marsh Maui Print Works Phone: 808-242-6634 Fax: 808-242-8967 Cell: 808-264-6382 joseph@mauiprintworks.com On Oct 8, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Craig Baise wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does anyone have a suggestion for a contact management system that > works on > mac and pc?? Thanks, craig/sutter printing > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From craig at sutterprinting.com Wed Oct 10 19:11:27 2007 From: craig at sutterprinting.com (Craig Baise) Date: Wed Oct 10 19:11:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Contact management software In-Reply-To: <4ACADB03-4B95-49B4-8B0D-E6286C75A31F@mauiprintworks.com> Message-ID: Thanks, joe. I will look into it craig On 10/10/07 3:49 PM, "Joseph Marsh" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I use Daylite for the Mac, but I don't know if it will work on a PC. > > Joseph Marsh > Maui Print Works > Phone: 808-242-6634 > Fax: 808-242-8967 > Cell: 808-264-6382 > joseph@mauiprintworks.com > > On Oct 8, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Craig Baise wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Does anyone have a suggestion for a contact management system that >> works on >> mac and pc?? Thanks, craig/sutter printing >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed Oct 10 19:43:29 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed Oct 10 19:46:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Contact management software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200710102346.l9ANk94C064548@i2bnetworks.com> I can't think of enough superlatives to describe how important GoldMine has become to the way I run my business. I would rank it as important to our operations as Printer's Plan and that is no joke. Goldmine keeps my day on time and organized and has allowed me personally to sell over a million dollars in printing so far this year...and run my company. That being said, it is a Windows program, but will run under Parallels on an Intel Mac. I don't use it on a Mac, but it will work if you're Mac-Centric. It can be used on a standalone workstation/laptop, or can run as a client/server app on your network (my configuration). In a client/server configuration, everybody is on the same page, everybody knows what I'm up to and others can schedule appointments for me as the calls come in. Power beyond belief.....GoldMine. S. At 12:36 PM 10/8/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Does anyone have a suggestion for a contact management system that works on >mac and pc?? Thanks, craig/sutter printing > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2578 (20071008) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From david.doost at gmail.com Wed Oct 10 20:22:05 2007 From: david.doost at gmail.com (David Doost) Date: Wed Oct 10 20:22:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF?: FICO Scores In-Reply-To: <94C3FA47-2E07-447B-912D-31D6A95D7702@bellsouth.net> References: <6CC808AE-3922-40CF-9A57-0FCE43D4DB7D@bellsouth.net> <470d30aa.1386460a.1b9f.fffff6af@mx.google.com> <94C3FA47-2E07-447B-912D-31D6A95D7702@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <470d6c9d.0f0c360a.72bf.ffffe1ae@mx.google.com> I think it is month to month. David Doost -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ben Travis Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 5:10 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] OFF?: FICO Scores ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Thanks! I'll check it out. Are you free to cancel anytime, or are you locked into a certain minimum number of months? Thanks again, Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Oct 10, 2007, at 4:01 PM, David Doost wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I've had good luck with Transunion's service: > > http://www.truecredit.com/entry/trueCreditEntry.jsp > > > Unlimited access to ALL THREE of your credit reports and credit > scores. > $14.95 per month > > David Doost > Printing Impression > 1200 Barrett Parkway Suite 4 > Kennesaw, GA 30144 > 770-422-8766 > www.printingimpression.net > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ben Travis > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 3:57 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF?: FICO Scores > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Anyone using a particular service to get their FICO scores from all 3 > major credit bureaus? > > Went online to figure out which services were best. However, trying > to compare various vendor's offers was a little time consuming. Free > reports weren't really free. Sign up for a service, etc.... > > Don't mind paying, but want to make sure I get what I pay for. > > Does anyone have any recommendations? > > Thanks, > Ben Travis > > Copy Express > 4004-A South Blvd. > Charlotte, NC 20209 > cpyxpres@bellsouth.net > 704-527-1750 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dave at mobile-print.com Thu Oct 11 12:19:10 2007 From: dave at mobile-print.com (Dave Peters) Date: Thu Oct 11 11:14:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bourg BST10 advice Message-ID: <470E4CFE.9030506@mobile-print.com> Is anyone familiar with the Bourg BST10 collating systems? We have an opportunity to buy one thats 6 or 7 years old with the stitch, fold, face trim, crusher and 2 stackers (low and high pile) for $10,000 which sounds like a really good price to me. I'm not too familiar with this model so I'm looking for some feedback about reliability, ease of use, make readies, versatility etc... I'm also curious to find out if you can manually feed precollated books from the copier into the finishing section. Thanks in advance! Dave Peters Mobile Print Mt. Prospect, IL From mitch at mitchevansconsulting.com Thu Oct 11 09:00:40 2007 From: mitch at mitchevansconsulting.com (Mitch Evans) Date: Thu Oct 11 11:16:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Contact management software In-Reply-To: <200710102346.l9ANk94C064548@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <000001c80c06$b9fbc080$6a01a8c0@Y765TJ> I use Goldmine and it is very powerful -- keeps your email stored more efficiently than Outlook. Lookup features are great and it does blast emails very efficiently. Goldmine is also better than ACT although I have never used the multi-user version of Goldmine. Mitch Mitch Evans Mitch Evans Consulting & The Next Level Group 168 E. Inlet Drive Palm Beach, FL 33480 561-351-6950 phone 561-845-7525 fax www.mitchevansconsulting.com www.the-nextlevelgroup.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 7:43 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Contact management software ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I can't think of enough superlatives to describe how important GoldMine has become to the way I run my business. I would rank it as important to our operations as Printer's Plan and that is no joke. Goldmine keeps my day on time and organized and has allowed me personally to sell over a million dollars in printing so far this year...and run my company. That being said, it is a Windows program, but will run under Parallels on an Intel Mac. I don't use it on a Mac, but it will work if you're Mac-Centric. It can be used on a standalone workstation/laptop, or can run as a client/server app on your network (my configuration). In a client/server configuration, everybody is on the same page, everybody knows what I'm up to and others can schedule appointments for me as the calls come in. Power beyond belief.....GoldMine. S. At 12:36 PM 10/8/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Does anyone have a suggestion for a contact management system that works on >mac and pc?? Thanks, craig/sutter printing > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2578 (20071008) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From printer at ptialaska.net Thu Oct 11 11:31:25 2007 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Thu Oct 11 11:31:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need Polymer Platemaker (rubber stamp machine) Message-ID: Hi, does anyone have one of the old polymer platemakers (rubber stamp machines) they want to get rid of? I have a friend who does pottery who uses the polymer plates to customize logos. Thanks, _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From acepm2 at gmail.com Thu Oct 11 11:33:53 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Thu Oct 11 11:34:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Contact management software In-Reply-To: <000001c80c06$b9fbc080$6a01a8c0@Y765TJ> References: <200710102346.l9ANk94C064548@i2bnetworks.com> <000001c80c06$b9fbc080$6a01a8c0@Y765TJ> Message-ID: I thought that GoldMine stopped selling their individual program and only offered the more expensive network or group software? Is that still the case? Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On 10/11/07, Mitch Evans wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I use Goldmine and it is very powerful -- keeps your email stored more > efficiently than Outlook. Lookup features are great and it does blast > emails very efficiently. Goldmine is also better than ACT although I have > never used the multi-user version of Goldmine. > > Mitch > > Mitch Evans > Mitch Evans Consulting & The Next Level Group > 168 E. Inlet Drive > Palm Beach, FL 33480 > 561-351-6950 phone > 561-845-7525 fax > www.mitchevansconsulting.com > www.the-nextlevelgroup.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 7:43 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Contact management software > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > I can't think of enough superlatives to describe how important > GoldMine has become to the way I run my business. > > I would rank it as important to our operations as Printer's Plan and > that is no joke. > > Goldmine keeps my day on time and organized and has allowed me > personally to sell over a million dollars in printing so far this > year...and run my company. > > That being said, it is a Windows program, but will run under > Parallels on an Intel Mac. I don't use it on a Mac, but it will work > if you're Mac-Centric. > > It can be used on a standalone workstation/laptop, or can run as a > client/server app on your network (my configuration). > > In a client/server configuration, everybody is on the same page, > everybody knows what I'm up to and others can schedule appointments > for me as the calls come in. > > Power beyond belief.....GoldMine. > > S. > > > > > > At 12:36 PM 10/8/2007, you wrote: > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >Does anyone have a suggestion for a contact management system that works > on > >mac and pc?? Thanks, craig/sutter printing > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > >__________ NOD32 2578 (20071008) Information __________ > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >http://www.eset.com > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Thu Oct 11 11:40:34 2007 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Thu Oct 11 11:42:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bourg BST10 advice In-Reply-To: <470E4CFE.9030506@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: Dave; We have a Bourg that's pretty close to what you're describing. If you need first-hand info, call Bruce Houghton at x109 at 636 717 0690. I know we've had pretty good luck with ours and use it a lot. Paid $16,000 for reconditioned about 3 years ago. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Dave Peters Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:19 AM To: PrintOwners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Bourg BST10 advice ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Is anyone familiar with the Bourg BST10 collating systems? We have an opportunity to buy one thats 6 or 7 years old with the stitch, fold, face trim, crusher and 2 stackers (low and high pile) for $10,000 which sounds like a really good price to me. I'm not too familiar with this model so I'm looking for some feedback about reliability, ease of use, make readies, versatility etc... I'm also curious to find out if you can manually feed precollated books from the copier into the finishing section. Thanks in advance! Dave Peters Mobile Print Mt. Prospect, IL _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.7/1062 - Release Date: 10/10/2007 5:11 PM From david.doost at gmail.com Thu Oct 11 11:42:28 2007 From: david.doost at gmail.com (David Doost) Date: Thu Oct 11 11:46:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Contact management software In-Reply-To: References: <200710102346.l9ANk94C064548@i2bnetworks.com> <000001c80c06$b9fbc080$6a01a8c0@Y765TJ> Message-ID: <470e4559.4a01360a.40b6.18cf@mx.google.com> Hey Thom, Looks like your friends at Office Depot still sell it! GoldMineR Standard Edition 6.7 http://www.officedepot.com/textSearch.do?uniqueSearchFlag=true&Ntt=GOLDMINE& x=24&y=12 David Doost Printing Impression Kennesaw, GA 30144 770-422-8766 www.printingimpression.net -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Thom Gulyas Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:34 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Contact management software ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I thought that GoldMine stopped selling their individual program and only offered the more expensive network or group software? Is that still the case? Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On 10/11/07, Mitch Evans wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I use Goldmine and it is very powerful -- keeps your email stored more > efficiently than Outlook. Lookup features are great and it does blast > emails very efficiently. Goldmine is also better than ACT although I have > never used the multi-user version of Goldmine. > > Mitch > > Mitch Evans > Mitch Evans Consulting & The Next Level Group > 168 E. Inlet Drive > Palm Beach, FL 33480 > 561-351-6950 phone > 561-845-7525 fax > www.mitchevansconsulting.com > www.the-nextlevelgroup.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 7:43 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Contact management software > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > I can't think of enough superlatives to describe how important > GoldMine has become to the way I run my business. > > I would rank it as important to our operations as Printer's Plan and > that is no joke. > > Goldmine keeps my day on time and organized and has allowed me > personally to sell over a million dollars in printing so far this > year...and run my company. > > That being said, it is a Windows program, but will run under > Parallels on an Intel Mac. I don't use it on a Mac, but it will work > if you're Mac-Centric. > > It can be used on a standalone workstation/laptop, or can run as a > client/server app on your network (my configuration). > > In a client/server configuration, everybody is on the same page, > everybody knows what I'm up to and others can schedule appointments > for me as the calls come in. > > Power beyond belief.....GoldMine. > > S. > > > > > > At 12:36 PM 10/8/2007, you wrote: > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >Does anyone have a suggestion for a contact management system that works > on > >mac and pc?? Thanks, craig/sutter printing > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > >__________ NOD32 2578 (20071008) Information __________ > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >http://www.eset.com > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From david.doost at gmail.com Thu Oct 11 11:45:40 2007 From: david.doost at gmail.com (David Doost) Date: Thu Oct 11 11:50:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Contact management software In-Reply-To: References: <200710102346.l9ANk94C064548@i2bnetworks.com> <000001c80c06$b9fbc080$6a01a8c0@Y765TJ> Message-ID: <470e461a.0b0c360a.2c22.144e@mx.google.com> Forgot to mention...there are also some listed on eBay, new but older versions. Here is one: http://tinyurl.com/26nytk David Doost Printing Impression Kennesaw, GA 30144 770-422-8766 www.printingimpression.net -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Thom Gulyas Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:34 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Contact management software ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I thought that GoldMine stopped selling their individual program and only offered the more expensive network or group software? Is that still the case? Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On 10/11/07, Mitch Evans wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I use Goldmine and it is very powerful -- keeps your email stored more > efficiently than Outlook. Lookup features are great and it does blast > emails very efficiently. Goldmine is also better than ACT although I have > never used the multi-user version of Goldmine. > > Mitch > > Mitch Evans > Mitch Evans Consulting & The Next Level Group > 168 E. Inlet Drive > Palm Beach, FL 33480 > 561-351-6950 phone > 561-845-7525 fax > www.mitchevansconsulting.com > www.the-nextlevelgroup.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 7:43 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Contact management software > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > I can't think of enough superlatives to describe how important > GoldMine has become to the way I run my business. > > I would rank it as important to our operations as Printer's Plan and > that is no joke. > > Goldmine keeps my day on time and organized and has allowed me > personally to sell over a million dollars in printing so far this > year...and run my company. > > That being said, it is a Windows program, but will run under > Parallels on an Intel Mac. I don't use it on a Mac, but it will work > if you're Mac-Centric. > > It can be used on a standalone workstation/laptop, or can run as a > client/server app on your network (my configuration). > > In a client/server configuration, everybody is on the same page, > everybody knows what I'm up to and others can schedule appointments > for me as the calls come in. > > Power beyond belief.....GoldMine. > > S. > > > > > > At 12:36 PM 10/8/2007, you wrote: > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >Does anyone have a suggestion for a contact management system that works > on > >mac and pc?? Thanks, craig/sutter printing > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > >__________ NOD32 2578 (20071008) Information __________ > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >http://www.eset.com > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Thu Oct 11 09:52:21 2007 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Thu Oct 11 11:52:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF?: FICO Scores In-Reply-To: <200710102206.l9AM6EHP046806@i2bnetworks.com> References: <6CC808AE-3922-40CF-9A57-0FCE43D4DB7D@bellsouth.net> <200710102206.l9AM6EHP046806@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <9E466AA1-CF29-4F84-9430-2CA8882E2E9A@bellsouth.net> S., Thanks! Actually that was the site I had gone to yesterday. I was going to buy it as you did. However, as I went into the ordering process, I noticed that what I was buying was my "credit reports" and my "credit scores". I was concerned as it did not say "Fico Score", and wanted to be sure that is what I received. The thought crossed my mind that the credit score could be something else (who knows what!) and after purchasing those would then be offered the chance to then buy my actual "Fico score". If it had simply said "Fico Score" during the ordering process, I would have completed the transaction and moved on.... So now I'll go ahead and do it.... I don't do auto-debit either! Thanks, Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Oct 10, 2007, at 6:03 PM, Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > www.myfico.com > > I pay $47.85 every 9-12 months to check all the reports. I could > save 5$ if I subscribed every year and they auto debit my card... > but I choose not to. > > I'm not into auto-debit anything. > > Then I file them away and move on to the next thing on my list. > > You've probably already spent $45 in time trying to figure all this > out. > > One of my life rules: if its free, its probably worth what I paid > for it. > > S. > > > > At 12:57 PM 10/10/2007, you wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Anyone using a particular service to get their FICO scores from all 3 >> major credit bureaus? >> >> Went online to figure out which services were best. However, trying >> to compare various vendor's offers was a little time consuming. Free >> reports weren't really free. Sign up for a service, etc.... >> >> Don't mind paying, but want to make sure I get what I pay for. >> >> Does anyone have any recommendations? >> >> Thanks, >> Ben Travis >> >> Copy Express >> 4004-A South Blvd. >> Charlotte, NC 20209 >> cpyxpres@bellsouth.net >> 704-527-1750 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ NOD32 2585 (20071010) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From mark at newprinting.com Thu Oct 11 12:35:29 2007 From: mark at newprinting.com (Mark Weinfurter) Date: Thu Oct 11 12:36:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Bourg BST10 advice In-Reply-To: <20071011153421.DB0FABFCB22@rb.enter.net> References: <20071011153421.DB0FABFCB22@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Dave, We've had ours for about 7 years and had excellent luck. Ours feeds just about anything we throw at it. $10m is a pretty darn good price. We just priced out an add'l tower at a cost of about $20M I've been trying to find used ones, but they are asking at leasts $10m for the tower alone. I have heard that the Standard Horizon (Speed Vac ) is as good if not better than our Bourg. I'd rather take the Bourg based on my experience. There are a ton of Horizons out there. There aren't a lot of these Bourgs out there. Heidelberg tried OEM'ing these with a very bad outcome. They quit selling these after about 2 years, I think. Our Heidelberg sales person recommended in this order: Standard Horizon Duplo Bourg Thanks, Mark Weinfurter N. E. W. Printing 1718 E. Wisconsin Ave. Appleton, WI 54911 1-888-563-0400 Fax 920-735-9945 www.newprinting.com mark@newprinting.com 'A very cool web site...www.newprinting.com' > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:19:10 -0700 > From: Dave Peters > Subject: [PrintOwners] Bourg BST10 advice > To: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Message-ID: <470E4CFE.9030506@mobile-print.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Is anyone familiar with the Bourg BST10 collating systems? We have an > opportunity to buy one thats 6 or 7 years old with the stitch, fold, > face trim, crusher and 2 stackers (low and high pile) for $10,000 which > sounds like a really good price to me. I'm not too familiar with this > model so I'm looking for some feedback about reliability, ease of use, > make readies, versatility etc... I'm also curious to find out if you > can > manually feed precollated books from the copier into the finishing > section. > > Thanks in advance! > > Dave Peters > > Mobile Print > Mt. Prospect, IL > > > ------------------------------ From alewinter at datapalette.com Thu Oct 11 12:50:03 2007 From: alewinter at datapalette.com (Andrew LeWinter) Date: Thu Oct 11 12:45:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bourg BST10 advice References: <470E4CFE.9030506@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D501E71BA@mail1.datapalette.local> We have had a BST30 for 10 years and are extremely happy with it. Reliability, ease of use, makereadies, etc. have been above average. The price sounds excellent. We have never fed precollated books into the finishing section. Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dave Peters Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 12:19 PM To: PrintOwners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Bourg BST10 advice ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Is anyone familiar with the Bourg BST10 collating systems? We have an opportunity to buy one thats 6 or 7 years old with the stitch, fold, face trim, crusher and 2 stackers (low and high pile) for $10,000 which sounds like a really good price to me. I'm not too familiar with this model so I'm looking for some feedback about reliability, ease of use, make readies, versatility etc... I'm also curious to find out if you can manually feed precollated books from the copier into the finishing section. Thanks in advance! Dave Peters Mobile Print Mt. Prospect, IL _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From owner at latsons.com Thu Oct 11 12:46:20 2007 From: owner at latsons.com (Dick Latson) Date: Thu Oct 11 12:47:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Outsourcing Process Color Press Work In-Reply-To: <470D3552.4020808@clearnet.net> References: <470D3552.4020808@clearnet.net> Message-ID: <200710111646.l9BGkqBw041376@pro35.abac.com> Randy, I also have used 4/4 with good results. May I inquire how long you have been in the Office Supply business, and how that part of your business is doing? -Dick At 03:25 PM 10/10/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Is there anyone on this list that offers process color (press) work >for the trade? Prior to installing a KM C6500 in July we did not >offer process color >Randy Hurley >Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: owner@latsons.com www.latsons.com From John at mpcny.com Thu Oct 11 12:55:12 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Thu Oct 11 12:55:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Contact management software In-Reply-To: <20071011153421.DB0FABFCB22@rb.enter.net> References: <20071011153421.DB0FABFCB22@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <008901c80c27$7da76780$78f63680$@com> Just a note: Last I checked both ACT and Goldmine were not 100% compatible with Vista or Office 2007. In fact both were recommending you not even try to use them at this time. We still use Act 6 and like it, but the newer versions were so slow and took up so many resources, we stuck with 6. We will move to Goldmine when soon. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1060 - Release Date: 10/9/2007 4:43 PM From carisa at holmesprinting.com Thu Oct 11 13:23:44 2007 From: carisa at holmesprinting.com (Carisa Holmes-Peters) Date: Thu Oct 11 13:25:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 90 Day Review checklist In-Reply-To: <20071011160003.1D191BFCE07@rb.enter.net> References: <20071011160003.1D191BFCE07@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <138E51F3-A00A-469A-8F1D-AA9F380876B0@holmesprinting.com> Does anyone have a 90 day review or a checklist in general for performance reviews they could share? Thanks! Carisa Carisa Holmes-Peters Administrative Office Manager HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com http://www.holmesprinting.com/ ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! POSTERS, BANNERS, INDOOR/OUTDOOR AND MORE - CALL TODAY! ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** From cpc at clearnet.net Thu Oct 11 13:39:07 2007 From: cpc at clearnet.net (Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc.) Date: Thu Oct 11 13:39:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Outsourcing Process Color Press Work In-Reply-To: <200710111646.l9BGkqBw041376@pro35.abac.com> References: <470D3552.4020808@clearnet.net> <200710111646.l9BGkqBw041376@pro35.abac.com> Message-ID: <470E5FBB.4040903@clearnet.net> Hey Dick, This is embarrassing but I'm really not sure how long we have been in the OS biz, Hmm, forever, too long. This business was started in 1912 by my wife's grandfather. I've only been involved in it since 1992. I just asked her and she didn't know either. It had to be sometime in the 1950's. To answer the rest of your question the supply sales are flat. Hasn't been much growth in a few years. Still profitable but sometimes I wonder if it is worth the effort. The closest big box store is about 30 minutes from us so that helps. Randy Hurley Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 17 South Third Street P.O. Box 23 Clearfield, PA 16830 814-765-4731 Fax: 814-765-1380 cpc@clearnet.net Dick Latson wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Randy, > I also have used 4/4 with good results. > May I inquire how long you have been in the Office Supply business, > and how that part of your business is doing? > -Dick From bradw at auburnprint.com Thu Oct 11 14:15:01 2007 From: bradw at auburnprint.com (Brad Weston) Date: Thu Oct 11 14:15:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Marketing Campaign Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20071010143951.050f9db8@192.168.1.1> Need some advice on a direct mail campaign we are doing for our printing company. Over the last year we have gotten into the mailing fulfillment side of the business and we are ready to do a major campaign. Our strategy is to do a 7 part campaign over the next 10 weeks it includes 2 postcards, 2 letter sets and 3 phone calls to potential customers. We are strictly business to business, we do no retail or consumer printing. Since we are a little slow in getting the campaign it kicked off ( should have been ready to roll in early August), should we start it now or wait till after the first of the year? Your thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks Brad Weston Auburn Printers 13020 Earhart Ave Auburn CA 95602 "Endurance Capitol of the World" 530-885-9674 Phone 530-885-6517 Fax <http://www.auburnprint.com/> From slb at inkspot.net Thu Oct 11 14:18:40 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu Oct 11 14:19:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Contact management software In-Reply-To: <008901c80c27$7da76780$78f63680$@com> References: <20071011153421.DB0FABFCB22@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <470E30C0.12176.449D067@slb.inkspot.net> I, too, continue to use ACT 6. Besides having heard lots of complaints about how clunky and slow the newer versions are, they stopped making the Palm version after 6. Also, for you Printer's Plan users, PP integrates with 6, but (as of last summer) not with the newer versions. I've suggested to Ron Teller that, if PrintSmith decides to integrate with ACT, accommodating the older versions would be a very good idea. Steve > > Just a note: Last I checked both ACT and Goldmine were not 100% compatible > with Vista or Office 2007. In fact both were recommending you not even try > to use them at this time. > > We still use Act 6 and like it, but the newer versions were so slow and took > up so many resources, we stuck with 6. We will move to Goldmine when soon. > > John M. Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company > 125-129 East First Street > Oswego, New York 13126 > (315) 343-3531 > (315) 343-3577 Fax > www.mpcny.com > John@mpcny.com > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1060 - Release Date: 10/9/2007 > 4:43 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2586 (20071011) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From jgross at techiowa.com Thu Oct 11 14:19:34 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Thu Oct 11 14:20:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Marketing Campaign In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20071010143951.050f9db8@192.168.1.1> Message-ID: <00a801c80c33$468732b0$1e00000a@tech.local> When do you want more sales, now or in January? John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Brad Weston Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 1:15 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Marketing Campaign ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Need some advice on a direct mail campaign we are doing for our printing company. Over the last year we have gotten into the mailing fulfillment side of the business and we are ready to do a major campaign. Our strategy is to do a 7 part campaign over the next 10 weeks it includes 2 postcards, 2 letter sets and 3 phone calls to potential customers. We are strictly business to business, we do no retail or consumer printing. Since we are a little slow in getting the campaign it kicked off ( should have been ready to roll in early August), should we start it now or wait till after the first of the year? Your thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks Brad Weston Auburn Printers 13020 Earhart Ave Auburn CA 95602 "Endurance Capitol of the World" 530-885-9674 Phone 530-885-6517 Fax <http://www.auburnprint.com/> _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mail at myprinter.biz Thu Oct 11 14:33:12 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Thu Oct 11 14:33:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Marketing Campaign In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20071010143951.050f9db8@192.168.1.1> Message-ID: Brad - What are the advantages and disadvantages in waiting until January? When you're in a position to provide me with that answer, you'll have a far better chance of answering your own question than anybody else could ever be. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz ------------------------------------- Excellence is the result of caring more than others think is wise, risking more than others think is safe, dreaming more than others think is practical, and expecting more than others think is possible. Mac Anderson -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Brad Weston Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 2:15 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Marketing Campaign ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Need some advice on a direct mail campaign we are doing for our printing company. Over the last year we have gotten into the mailing fulfillment side of the business and we are ready to do a major campaign. Our strategy is to do a 7 part campaign over the next 10 weeks it includes 2 postcards, 2 letter sets and 3 phone calls to potential customers. We are strictly business to business, we do no retail or consumer printing. Since we are a little slow in getting the campaign it kicked off ( should have been ready to roll in early August), should we start it now or wait till after the first of the year? Your thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks Brad Weston Auburn Printers 13020 Earhart Ave Auburn CA 95602 "Endurance Capitol of the World" 530-885-9674 Phone 530-885-6517 Fax <http://www.auburnprint.com/> _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bob at rjmprinting.com Thu Oct 11 14:44:16 2007 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Thu Oct 11 14:45:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Marketing Campaign In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20071010143951.050f9db8@192.168.1.1> Message-ID: I would start now. You may run into people being out during the holiday season but when they get back to work the information is on their desk waiting for them. Do you have someone dedicated to this program? I would be interested in knowing more about your campaign, do you have scripts for the follow-up calls, is the letter personalized or general etc. Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Brad Weston Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 1:15 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Marketing Campaign ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Need some advice on a direct mail campaign we are doing for our printing company. Over the last year we have gotten into the mailing fulfillment side of the business and we are ready to do a major campaign. Our strategy is to do a 7 part campaign over the next 10 weeks it includes 2 postcards, 2 letter sets and 3 phone calls to potential customers. We are strictly business to business, we do no retail or consumer printing. Since we are a little slow in getting the campaign it kicked off ( should have been ready to roll in early August), should we start it now or wait till after the first of the year? Your thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks Brad Weston Auburn Printers 13020 Earhart Ave Auburn CA 95602 "Endurance Capitol of the World" 530-885-9674 Phone 530-885-6517 Fax <http://www.auburnprint.com/> _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Thu Oct 11 15:04:18 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Thu Oct 11 15:00:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Bourg BST10 advice In-Reply-To: <20071011182021.6E96ABFD5C0@rb.enter.net> References: <20071011182021.6E96ABFD5C0@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <5b1f27109c91175e945b4cdc3ec5f196@sheergraphics.com> We just purchased a new BST10-d+ (the computerized one) collator only. We looked at both Standard Horizon and Duplo. According to Don Schroeder, National Sales Manager, Bourg supplies the guts for several manufacturers' finishing systems, including Xerox iGen. > Heidelberg tried OEM'ing these with a very bad outcome. They quit > selling these after about 2 years, I think. Our Heidelberg sales > person recommended in this order: > Standard Horizon > Duplo > Bourg Heidelberg also briefly sold a re-labelled envelope feeder from Suspension Feeder , Heidelberg must have thought it was the best machine, but the arrangement ended when Heidelberg's markup made the selling price uncompetitive. Perhaps that's why the Heidelberg salesman had a different recommendation - there wasn't enough margin for Heidelberg to resell Bourg at Heidelberg's desired profit. We are happy with our Bourg BST10-d+. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From owner at latsons.com Thu Oct 11 15:07:46 2007 From: owner at latsons.com (Dick Latson) Date: Thu Oct 11 15:09:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:Was Process Color Press Work now office supplies In-Reply-To: <470E5FBB.4040903@clearnet.net> References: <470D3552.4020808@clearnet.net> <200710111646.l9BGkqBw041376@pro35.abac.com> <470E5FBB.4040903@clearnet.net> Message-ID: <200710111908.l9BJ8IOV032855@pro35.abac.com> Thanks Randy, Lordy, 1912. Now that that is an established business. Congrats on your longevity. The O.S. side of our business has had more growth than the printing side the last few years. Definitely has been worth the trouble. -Dick At 12:39 PM 10/11/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Hey Dick, > >This is embarrassing but I'm really not sure how long we have been >in the OS biz, Hmm, forever, too long. This business was started in >1912 by my wife's grandfather. I've only been involved in it since >1992. I just asked her and she didn't know either. It had to be >sometime in the 1950's. To answer the rest of your question the >supply sales are flat. Hasn't been much growth in a few years. Still >profitable but sometimes I wonder if it is worth the effort. The >closest big box store is about 30 minutes from us so that helps. > >Randy Hurley >Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. >17 South Third Street >P.O. Box 23 >Clearfield, PA 16830 >814-765-4731 >Fax: 814-765-1380 >cpc@clearnet.net > > >Dick Latson wrote: > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>Randy, >> I also have used 4/4 with good results. >>May I inquire how long you have been in the Office Supply business, >>and how that part of your business is doing? >>-Dick > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: owner@latsons.com www.latsons.com From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Thu Oct 11 16:04:12 2007 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Thu Oct 11 16:04:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Help on Price of Perfect Bound Book In-Reply-To: <200710111908.l9BJ8IOV032855@pro35.abac.com> Message-ID: <000201c80c41$e4427fb0$8700a8c0@GORD> Before I put my neck in a noose could someone help me? I?m quoting on a number of perfect bound books of which the following is representative. 400 books 8? x 11 Cover 10 pt 4/0 Laminated Text 40 lb 448 pgs I come up with a price of $ 15 a book. Am I in the game? Thanks in advance. Gordon Watt Xoxo Toronto From scott at usacolor.com Thu Oct 11 16:12:28 2007 From: scott at usacolor.com (scott) Date: Thu Oct 11 16:12:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Help on Price of Perfect Bound Book In-Reply-To: <000201c80c41$e4427fb0$8700a8c0@GORD> References: <000201c80c41$e4427fb0$8700a8c0@GORD> Message-ID: <470E83AC.9070003@usacolor.com> We would be very close to that price Scott Balsiger, President USA Color Printing Inc. www.usacolor.com 791 Manhomen Dr. Bemidji, MN 56601 800-759-9126 218-759-9126 218-759-2883(fax) 218-556-5505(cell) Gordon Watt wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >Before I put my neck in a noose could someone help me? I?m quoting on a >number of perfect bound books of which the following is representative. > >400 books 8? x 11 >Cover 10 pt 4/0 Laminated >Text 40 lb >448 pgs > >I come up with a price of $ 15 a book. > >Am I in the game? > >Thanks in advance. > >Gordon Watt >Xoxo >Toronto > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From prtquick at eos.net Thu Oct 11 16:59:44 2007 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Thu Oct 11 16:32:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] opening Paint Shop "Pro" file In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20071010143951.050f9db8@192.168.1.1> References: <6.0.0.22.2.20071010143951.050f9db8@192.168.1.1> Message-ID: <6322452c912f4878b753847d9a8914dc@eos.net> We are working on a program book - nice job, here's the quandry: we have the front cover artwork provided in 'paint shop pro' can we open this up with any other program? My customer can save to jpeg for me, but it is very low-res (a 3" 300 ppi image - it does not enlarge to 8" very well!) Anything my pre-press staff can use to open this bad boy? We have the usual Adobe, Quark, Publisher stuff. Has anyone fought this fight before? Thanks! Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit us in our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing From cpurvine1 at cox.net Thu Oct 11 16:38:02 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Thu Oct 11 16:38:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Help on Price of Perfect Bound Book In-Reply-To: <470E83AC.9070003@usacolor.com> References: <000201c80c41$e4427fb0$8700a8c0@GORD> <470E83AC.9070003@usacolor.com> Message-ID: <00da01c80c46$9eb31680$6601a8c0@corapurvine> That is about what I would charge. I just bid on a similar job myself only it is for 900 book of 500-600 pages. There for a minute I thought you were bidding on my job Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of scott Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 3:12 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Help on Price of Perfect Bound Book ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We would be very close to that price Scott Balsiger, President USA Color Printing Inc. www.usacolor.com 791 Manhomen Dr. Bemidji, MN 56601 800-759-9126 218-759-9126 218-759-2883(fax) 218-556-5505(cell) Gordon Watt wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >Before I put my neck in a noose could someone help me? I?m quoting on a >number of perfect bound books of which the following is representative. > >400 books 8? x 11 >Cover 10 pt 4/0 Laminated >Text 40 lb >448 pgs > >I come up with a price of $ 15 a book. > >Am I in the game? > >Thanks in advance. > >Gordon Watt >Xoxo >Toronto > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2586 (20071011) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From bradw at auburnprint.com Thu Oct 11 16:43:07 2007 From: bradw at auburnprint.com (Brad Weston) Date: Thu Oct 11 16:42:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Marketing Campaign In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.0.22.2.20071010143951.050f9db8@192.168.1.1> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20071011132555.0505f5b8@192.168.1.1> In response to Dan comments about advantages and disadvantage. Advantages (Start Now) 1. Getting sales sooner than later. 2. We are ready to go now. 3. As the economy slows, strong companies plan advertising. Disadvantages (Start January 08) 1. We are dealing mostly with "advertising agencies", marketing professional & graphic designers as first contact customers. I've spoke to a few of them and marketing projects & planning do slow during the holiday season. 2. Our budget is around $15000 for the campaign, I wouldn't want it to start over if we don't get the return. 3. This campaign is going directly to the "decision maker" and will they be taking time off during the holidays. We traditionally have very good sales numbers for November, December and January. but there is clearly less quoting and vitality. Let me then ask; is there less quoting and vitality in your markets during the holidays? Brad At 11:33 AM 10/11/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Brad - > >What are the advantages and disadvantages in waiting until January? > >When you're in a position to provide me with that answer, you'll have a far >better chance of answering your own question than anybody else could ever >be. > >Dan >Sir Speedy Printing Center >5845 Hollywood Boulevard >Hollywood, FL 33021 >tel. 954.962.1309 >fax 954.962.1366 >dan@myprinter.biz >www.myprinter.biz > > ------------------------------------- > >Excellence is the result of caring more than others think is wise, >risking more than others think is safe, >dreaming more than others think is practical, >and expecting more than others think is possible. > >Mac Anderson > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Brad Weston >Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 2:15 PM >To: printowners@printweb.org >Subject: [PrintOwners] Marketing Campaign > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Need some advice on a direct mail campaign we are doing for our >printing company. Over the last year we have gotten into the mailing >fulfillment side of the business and we are ready to do a major >campaign. Our strategy is to do a 7 part campaign over the next 10 >weeks it includes 2 postcards, 2 letter sets and 3 phone calls to >potential customers. We are strictly business to business, we do no >retail or consumer printing. Since we are a little slow in getting the >campaign it >kicked off ( should have been ready to roll in early August), should >we start it now or wait till after the first of the year? >Your thoughts would be appreciated. > > >Thanks >Brad Weston >Auburn Printers >13020 Earhart Ave >Auburn CA 95602 >"Endurance Capitol of the World" > >530-885-9674 Phone >530-885-6517 Fax ><http://www.auburnprint.com/> >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dvmonto at optonline.net Thu Oct 11 17:02:06 2007 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Thu Oct 11 17:02:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] opening Paint Shop "Pro" file In-Reply-To: <6322452c912f4878b753847d9a8914dc@eos.net> Message-ID: Go here: http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite/us/en/Product/1185293041793 Download a 30 day free trial of Paint Shop Pro. -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with anybody that stands right, stand with him while he is right, and part with him when he goes wrong. - -- Abraham Lincoln On 10/11/07 4:59 PM, "Scott Finke" wrote: > We are working on a program book - nice job, here's the quandry: we > have the front cover artwork provided in 'paint shop pro' > can we open this up with any other program? > > My customer can save to jpeg for me, but it is very low-res (a 3" 300 > ppi image - it does not enlarge to 8" very well!) > > Anything my pre-press staff can use to open this bad boy? We have the > usual Adobe, Quark, Publisher stuff. Has anyone fought this fight > before? From info at towinglogs.com Thu Oct 11 17:13:51 2007 From: info at towinglogs.com (Paul DiModica) Date: Thu Oct 11 17:14:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Help with a Standard Horizon QCP-10. 10-Bin Collator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <470E920F.9050305@towinglogs.com> Hello Group We have a Standard Horizon QCP-10. 10-Bin Collator and the Pile High sensor has stopped working. It actually stopped a few years back and a tech person with Standard told me how to bypass the eye. Well we have decided to replace the small eye from the rear case, and need help putting it back together. We are not sure how to put it back on and am asking if you have one to open the back cover and look at the eye and tell us does the eye go in front of the bracket or behind the bracket. Also it had a white space and we need to know which screw it goes on etc. Or did it have two white spacers? Any help would be appreciated .... a photo if possible would be nice. I have my book that came with the machine, but it does not give any technical specs. Thanks Paul DiModica Mayflower Publishing 25 Starline Way - Unit 13 Cranston, RI 02921 401-275-0254 fax 401-275-0247 info@towinglogs.com From bherion at bucksdigital.com Thu Oct 11 17:25:46 2007 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Thu Oct 11 17:26:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Help on Price of Perfect Bound Book In-Reply-To: <20071011203823.8AF2CBFDCB0@rb.enter.net> References: <20071011203823.8AF2CBFDCB0@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071011172438.033493c0@bucksdigital.com> Give or take...yes. At 04:38 PM 10/11/2007, you wrote: >Before I put my neck in a noose could someone help me? I?m quoting on a >number of perfect bound books of which the following is representative. > >400 books 8? x 11 >Cover 10 pt 4/0 Laminated >Text 40 lb >448 pgs > >I come up with a price of $ 15 a book. > >Am I in the game? > >Thanks in advance. > >Gordon Watt >Xoxo >Toronto Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Thu Oct 11 18:27:36 2007 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Thu Oct 11 18:27:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Help on Price of Perfect Bound Book In-Reply-To: <00da01c80c46$9eb31680$6601a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <000f01c80c55$ecd6c230$8700a8c0@GORD> Glad to help Cora. Just give me their name, address phone number, etc. Gordon Xoxo Toronto -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cora Purvine Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 4:38 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Help on Price of Perfect Bound Book ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** That is about what I would charge. I just bid on a similar job myself only it is for 900 book of 500-600 pages. There for a minute I thought you were bidding on my job Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of scott Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 3:12 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Help on Price of Perfect Bound Book ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We would be very close to that price Scott Balsiger, President USA Color Printing Inc. www.usacolor.com 791 Manhomen Dr. Bemidji, MN 56601 800-759-9126 218-759-9126 218-759-2883(fax) 218-556-5505(cell) Gordon Watt wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >Before I put my neck in a noose could someone help me? I?m quoting on a >number of perfect bound books of which the following is representative. > >400 books 8? x 11 >Cover 10 pt 4/0 Laminated >Text 40 lb >448 pgs > >I come up with a price of $ 15 a book. > >Am I in the game? > >Thanks in advance. > >Gordon Watt >Xoxo >Toronto > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2586 (20071011) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Thu Oct 11 18:28:18 2007 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Thu Oct 11 18:28:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Help on Price of Perfect Bound Book In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20071011172438.033493c0@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <001001c80c56$06117fb0$8700a8c0@GORD> Thanks folks. Appreciated. Gordon Xoxo Toronto -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bob Herion Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 5:26 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Help on Price of Perfect Bound Book ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Give or take...yes. At 04:38 PM 10/11/2007, you wrote: >Before I put my neck in a noose could someone help me? I?m quoting on a >number of perfect bound books of which the following is representative. > >400 books 8? x 11 >Cover 10 pt 4/0 Laminated >Text 40 lb >448 pgs > >I come up with a price of $ 15 a book. > >Am I in the game? > >Thanks in advance. > >Gordon Watt >Xoxo >Toronto Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpurvine1 at cox.net Thu Oct 11 18:47:40 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Thu Oct 11 18:47:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Help on Price of Perfect Bound Book In-Reply-To: <000f01c80c55$ecd6c230$8700a8c0@GORD> References: <00da01c80c46$9eb31680$6601a8c0@corapurvine> <000f01c80c55$ecd6c230$8700a8c0@GORD> Message-ID: <010201c80c58$ba998de0$6601a8c0@corapurvine> Ha, Ha!!! Thanks anyway!!! Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Gordon Watt Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 5:28 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Help on Price of Perfect Bound Book ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Glad to help Cora. Just give me their name, address phone number, etc. Gordon Xoxo Toronto -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cora Purvine Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 4:38 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Help on Price of Perfect Bound Book ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** That is about what I would charge. I just bid on a similar job myself only it is for 900 book of 500-600 pages. There for a minute I thought you were bidding on my job Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of scott Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 3:12 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Help on Price of Perfect Bound Book ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We would be very close to that price Scott Balsiger, President USA Color Printing Inc. www.usacolor.com 791 Manhomen Dr. Bemidji, MN 56601 800-759-9126 218-759-9126 218-759-2883(fax) 218-556-5505(cell) Gordon Watt wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >Before I put my neck in a noose could someone help me? I?m quoting on a >number of perfect bound books of which the following is representative. > >400 books 8? x 11 >Cover 10 pt 4/0 Laminated >Text 40 lb >448 pgs > >I come up with a price of $ 15 a book. > >Am I in the game? > >Thanks in advance. > >Gordon Watt >Xoxo >Toronto > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2586 (20071011) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2587 (20071011) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From bill at werkheiser.com Thu Oct 11 19:45:52 2007 From: bill at werkheiser.com (Bill Werkheiser) Date: Thu Oct 11 19:46:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] opening Paint Shop "Pro" file In-Reply-To: <6322452c912f4878b753847d9a8914dc@eos.net> References: <6.0.0.22.2.20071010143951.050f9db8@192.168.1.1> <6322452c912f4878b753847d9a8914dc@eos.net> Message-ID: <470EB5B0.3000505@werkheiser.com> Scott, finally a question I can answer. We had this issue last week and I googled this solution. It worked great. It's a shareware plugin for Photoshop. Here is the link: http://www.telegraphics.com.au/sw/ or better yet, here http://www.telegraphics.com.au/sw/dl.php3?file=PSPFormat-1.2f2-win.zip We started to try what someone else suggested and that was to download the trial. But even on DSL, it is a huge file. Plus, we wanted it in Photoshop anyway. Scott Finke wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are working on a program book - nice job, here's the quandry: we > have the front cover artwork provided in 'paint shop pro' > can we open this up with any other program? > > My customer can save to jpeg for me, but it is very low-res (a 3" 300 > ppi image - it does not enlarge to 8" very well!) > > Anything my pre-press staff can use to open this bad boy? We have the > usual Adobe, Quark, Publisher stuff. Has anyone fought this fight before? > > > Thanks! > > Scott Finke > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Visit us in our new location! > > Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. > 8630 Winton Road > Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Phone: (513) 522.2679 > Fax (513) 522.2692 > Email: info@brentwood-printing.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > www.Brentwood-Printing.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Send us your file at: > http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Quick. Quality. Printing > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2587 (20071011) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > -- Bill Werkheiser SE PrinTech, Inc. Coastal Mailing Services, Inc. http://WeLoveToPrint.com 315 E Banks Street - P O Box 27 Glennville, GA 30427 (912) 654-3610 voice (912) 654-3611 fax From goodway at goodwayprintcopy.com Thu Oct 11 21:32:29 2007 From: goodway at goodwayprintcopy.com (Goodway Print and Copy) Date: Thu Oct 11 21:32:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] POLYESTER LABELS? Message-ID: <010401c80c6f$c1310ea0$660000c8@LeslieXP> I have a customer who will provide either 5 mil or 3 mil sheets of polyester cut from a roll- they need 4/4 500 of each of three sizes 4" x 36", 4x 30 and 4 x36. Their label printer told them to go to a sheet fed printer. Does anyone have a source- Leslie McDonald GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC. 15121 Ventura Blvd. Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Phone:(818) 783-5172 Fax:(818)783-8649 goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com www.goodwayprintcopy.com From k_graham at hotmail.com Thu Oct 11 23:48:44 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Thu Oct 11 23:49:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: FSC (for printers) References: <20071008171334.EE7C7BF2E94@rb.enter.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20071008133046.03310a50@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: Any chance you could either provide a link to the form you refer to for future reference. Thanks, Ken Graham ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Herion" To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 10:48 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: FSC (for printers) > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > At 01:13 PM 10/8/2007, you wrote: >>Some of the >>requirements are hilarious - like keeping all the FSC paper separated from >>the non-FSC paper in your building. Don't you dare let them co-mingle. > > Nothing wrong with doing the right thing, but this FSC certification > business is, well, a business. > The founding company (yes, its roots are in many greenies), only outlines > the guidelines. The certs are all done by third parties. > Fine and well. > >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mail at myprinter.biz Fri Oct 12 09:12:39 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Fri Oct 12 09:12:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Marketing Campaign In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20071011132555.0505f5b8@192.168.1.1> Message-ID: Brad - For the purposes of making this decision, it truly doesn't matter whether there's "less quoting and vitality" in my market, or anybody else's, during the holiday season. Yours is the ONLY market that counts. Okay, so here's what I want you to do: Pretend that I'd just presented this same scenario to you and ask you which alternative I should take. What would you tell me, and why would you tell me that? My advice to you is to do what you'd tell me to do if our roles were reversed. (P.S. I know what I'd do, but I'm not going to tell you - at least until you've decided for yourself - because it doesn't matter.) Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz ------------------------------------- Excellence is the result of caring more than others think is wise, risking more than others think is safe, dreaming more than others think is practical, and expecting more than others think is possible. Mac Anderson -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Brad Weston Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 4:43 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Marketing Campaign ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In response to Dan comments about advantages and disadvantage. Advantages (Start Now) 1. Getting sales sooner than later. 2. We are ready to go now. 3. As the economy slows, strong companies plan advertising. Disadvantages (Start January 08) 1. We are dealing mostly with "advertising agencies", marketing professional & graphic designers as first contact customers. I've spoke to a few of them and marketing projects & planning do slow during the holiday season. 2. Our budget is around $15000 for the campaign, I wouldn't want it to start over if we don't get the return. 3. This campaign is going directly to the "decision maker" and will they be taking time off during the holidays. We traditionally have very good sales numbers for November, December and January. but there is clearly less quoting and vitality. Let me then ask; is there less quoting and vitality in your markets during the holidays? Brad At 11:33 AM 10/11/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Brad - > >What are the advantages and disadvantages in waiting until January? > >When you're in a position to provide me with that answer, you'll have a far >better chance of answering your own question than anybody else could ever >be. > >Dan >Sir Speedy Printing Center >5845 Hollywood Boulevard >Hollywood, FL 33021 >tel. 954.962.1309 >fax 954.962.1366 >dan@myprinter.biz >www.myprinter.biz > > ------------------------------------- > >Excellence is the result of caring more than others think is wise, >risking more than others think is safe, >dreaming more than others think is practical, >and expecting more than others think is possible. > >Mac Anderson > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Brad Weston >Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 2:15 PM >To: printowners@printweb.org >Subject: [PrintOwners] Marketing Campaign > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Need some advice on a direct mail campaign we are doing for our >printing company. Over the last year we have gotten into the mailing >fulfillment side of the business and we are ready to do a major >campaign. Our strategy is to do a 7 part campaign over the next 10 >weeks it includes 2 postcards, 2 letter sets and 3 phone calls to >potential customers. We are strictly business to business, we do no >retail or consumer printing. Since we are a little slow in getting the >campaign it >kicked off ( should have been ready to roll in early August), should >we start it now or wait till after the first of the year? >Your thoughts would be appreciated. > > >Thanks >Brad Weston >Auburn Printers >13020 Earhart Ave >Auburn CA 95602 >"Endurance Capitol of the World" > >530-885-9674 Phone >530-885-6517 Fax ><http://www.auburnprint.com/> >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mfoster at chilitech.net Fri Oct 12 10:04:28 2007 From: mfoster at chilitech.net (Michael Foster) Date: Fri Oct 12 10:06:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Any printers near the Phil. Convention center? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20071011172438.033493c0@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: I have a customer that needs a emergency print job.... Please contact me. -- Michael Foster The Print Shoppe 421 Washington Blvd. Williamsport, PA 17701 570-327-9005 Fax 570-327-9149 www.theprintshoppe.com mfoster@chilitech.net From jgross at techiowa.com Fri Oct 12 10:13:28 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Fri Oct 12 10:14:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] POLYESTER LABELS? In-Reply-To: <010401c80c6f$c1310ea0$660000c8@LeslieXP> Message-ID: <003901c80cda$11e763c0$1e00000a@tech.local> Looks like an ink jet project to me. Call your nearest Reprographics house (aka blueprinter). Contact me offline if you need a recommendation. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Goodway Print and Copy Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 8:32 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] POLYESTER LABELS? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a customer who will provide either 5 mil or 3 mil sheets of polyester cut from a roll- they need 4/4 500 of each of three sizes 4" x 36", 4x 30 and 4 x36. Their label printer told them to go to a sheet fed printer. Does anyone have a source- Leslie McDonald GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC. 15121 Ventura Blvd. Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Phone:(818) 783-5172 Fax:(818)783-8649 goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com www.goodwayprintcopy.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Fri Oct 12 10:25:23 2007 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Fri Oct 12 10:24:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Receipt Printing In-Reply-To: <003901c80cda$11e763c0$1e00000a@tech.local> References: <003901c80cda$11e763c0$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: Does anyone know where I can get receipts printed receipt rolls? I'm talking about the kind the ones that go in your credit card processing machines. Most retail stores have the backs printed with their own info, and I have a client who wants it done. Thanks. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com From mail at myprinter.biz Fri Oct 12 10:43:04 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Fri Oct 12 10:42:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Receipt Printing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Borzou - Try "googling" the phrase "custom printed credit card receipt paper" and see how many hits you get. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Borzou Azabdaftari Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 10:25 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Receipt Printing ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Does anyone know where I can get receipts printed receipt rolls? I'm talking about the kind the ones that go in your credit card processing machines. Most retail stores have the backs printed with their own info, and I have a client who wants it done. Thanks. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Fri Oct 12 13:15:11 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri Oct 12 13:14:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF printing References: <6CC808AE-3922-40CF-9A57-0FCE43D4DB7D@bellsouth.net> <200710102206.l9AM6EHP046806@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <01c801c80cf3$72e92f50$0300a8c0@DANIEL> A couple times recently, I've gotten PDF files to print that contain transparency areas which print bright red instead of green or light blue or whatever the file should look like. Flatener is set to High Resolution. I've tried many different setting and it always prints bright red. This is to our Xerox 250/Creo. Adobe CS3, Windows XP Pro. The little proxie image looks fine. The output preview looks fine, separation preview looks fine, preflight said there were no problems. Still prints red. But if I place the PDF in InDesign and print, it prints fine. If I send As Image, it will print OK, but the gradients, transparencies look different than the InDesign version and the on screen image. Any idea what's going on? Why would it print just fine from InDesign but not from Acrobat. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Fri Oct 12 13:17:54 2007 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Fri Oct 12 13:16:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Receipt Printing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C02FD46-0EB9-4567-BE64-6CE5D35447BB@falconprintandcopy.com> Thanks Dan. I guess this confirms my fear that no one else is doing this though.... Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com On Oct 12, 2007, at 10:43 AM, wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Borzou - > > Try "googling" the phrase "custom printed credit card receipt > paper" and see > how many hits you get. > > Dan > Sir Speedy Printing Center > 5845 Hollywood Boulevard > Hollywood, FL 33021 > tel. 954.962.1309 > fax 954.962.1366 > dan@myprinter.biz > www.myprinter.biz > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Borzou > Azabdaftari > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 10:25 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] Receipt Printing > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does anyone know where I can get receipts printed receipt rolls? I'm > talking about the kind the ones that go in your credit card > processing machines. Most retail stores have the backs printed with > their own info, and I have a client who wants it done. Thanks. > > > Borzou Azabdaftari > Falcon Print and Copy > 1921 Gallows Road > Suite 150 > Vienna, VA 22182 > t.703.442.0124 > f.703.442.0134 > borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Fri Oct 12 13:20:27 2007 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Fri Oct 12 13:19:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF printing In-Reply-To: <01c801c80cf3$72e92f50$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <6CC808AE-3922-40CF-9A57-0FCE43D4DB7D@bellsouth.net> <200710102206.l9AM6EHP046806@i2bnetworks.com> <01c801c80cf3$72e92f50$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <7640F5C0-6D96-4992-91F7-81F04D450E0E@falconprintandcopy.com> I don't really know what's going on, but I can hazard a guess. InDesign in all likelihood is converting the colors to CMYK before it sends them. Your Creo is probably able to interpret that color much better than what Acrobat is sending it (likely RGB). Is this just one file, or a constant problem? I'd drag that sucker into Illustrator and see what those colors are made of. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com On Oct 12, 2007, at 1:15 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > A couple times recently, I've gotten PDF files to print that > contain transparency areas which print bright red instead of green > or light blue or whatever the file should look like. > Flatener is set to High Resolution. I've tried many different > setting and it always prints bright red. This is to our Xerox 250/ > Creo. Adobe CS3, Windows XP Pro. > The little proxie image looks fine. The output preview looks fine, > separation preview looks fine, preflight said there were no > problems. Still prints red. > > But if I place the PDF in InDesign and print, it prints fine. > > If I send As Image, it will print OK, but the gradients, > transparencies look different than the InDesign version and the on > screen image. > > Any idea what's going on? Why would it print just fine from > InDesign but not from Acrobat. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri Oct 12 14:15:43 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri Oct 12 14:18:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF printing In-Reply-To: <01c801c80cf3$72e92f50$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <6CC808AE-3922-40CF-9A57-0FCE43D4DB7D@bellsouth.net> <200710102206.l9AM6EHP046806@i2bnetworks.com> <01c801c80cf3$72e92f50$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <200710121818.l9CIIPH3016373@i2bnetworks.com> I've seen it here numerous times. My instinct was that it was a bug with printing from Acrobat to the CREO RIP, that you also have a CREO confirms my suspicions (so thank you for that). Our workaround is to drop the PDF into ID and print from ID, fixes it every time. This is not a WAG, this is what I think is really going on. S. At 10:15 AM 10/12/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >A couple times recently, I've gotten PDF files to print that contain >transparency areas which print bright red instead of green or light >blue or whatever the file should look like. >Flatener is set to High Resolution. I've tried many different >setting and it always prints bright red. This is to our Xerox >250/Creo. Adobe CS3, Windows XP Pro. >The little proxie image looks fine. The output preview looks fine, >separation preview looks fine, preflight said there were no >problems. Still prints red. > >But if I place the PDF in InDesign and print, it prints fine. > >If I send As Image, it will print OK, but the gradients, >transparencies look different than the InDesign version and the on >screen image. > >Any idea what's going on? Why would it print just fine from >InDesign but not from Acrobat. > >Dan Huntingford >SOS Printing >2319 Washington Street >Port Townsend, WA 98368 >sos@olympus.net >(360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2589 (20071012) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From bill at mauiprintworks.com Fri Oct 12 15:17:10 2007 From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works) Date: Fri Oct 12 15:17:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] POLYESTER LABELS? In-Reply-To: <010401c80c6f$c1310ea0$660000c8@LeslieXP> References: <010401c80c6f$c1310ea0$660000c8@LeslieXP> Message-ID: A Sign Shop with the right equipment could do it. They'd probably want to use their own material and usually print one side 4/0 not 4/4. Printing 2 sides off a roll wouldn't be easy. Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku, HI 96793 (808)242-6634 Fax (808)242-8967 bill@mauiprintworks.com www. mauiprintworks.com > I have a customer who will provide either 5 mil or 3 mil sheets of > polyester > cut from a roll- they need 4/4 500 of each of three sizes 4" x 36", > 4x 30 > and 4 x36. Their label printer told them to go to a sheet fed printer. > Does > anyone have a source- > > > Leslie McDonald > GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC. > 15121 Ventura Blvd. > Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 > Phone:(818) 783-5172 > Fax:(818)783-8649 > goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com From jgross at techiowa.com Fri Oct 12 15:31:19 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Fri Oct 12 15:31:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] POLYESTER LABELS? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001b01c80d06$7745b100$1e00000a@tech.local> If registration isn't too tight, a good reprographic house could print two 4/0 sheets and laminate them together. Cutting might be a manual, expensive process though. A flatbed printer might be able to hole the 4/2 though. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Maui Print Works Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 2:17 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] POLYESTER LABELS? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** A Sign Shop with the right equipment could do it. They'd probably want to use their own material and usually print one side 4/0 not 4/4. Printing 2 sides off a roll wouldn't be easy. Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku, HI 96793 (808)242-6634 Fax (808)242-8967 bill@mauiprintworks.com www. mauiprintworks.com > I have a customer who will provide either 5 mil or 3 mil sheets of > polyester > cut from a roll- they need 4/4 500 of each of three sizes 4" x 36", > 4x 30 > and 4 x36. Their label printer told them to go to a sheet fed printer. > Does > anyone have a source- > > > Leslie McDonald > GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC. > 15121 Ventura Blvd. > Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 > Phone:(818) 783-5172 > Fax:(818)783-8649 > goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kellycrom at gmail.com Fri Oct 12 15:46:59 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Fri Oct 12 15:47:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] POLYESTER LABELS? In-Reply-To: <010401c80c6f$c1310ea0$660000c8@LeslieXP> References: <010401c80c6f$c1310ea0$660000c8@LeslieXP> Message-ID: <011901c80d08$a8858040$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Look for someone with a 40" press that specializes in plastic printing. Tell your customer they can't supply 4" wide sheets. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of > Goodway Print and Copy > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 8:32 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: [PrintOwners] POLYESTER LABELS? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a customer who will provide either 5 mil or 3 mil > sheets of polyester > cut from a roll- they need 4/4 500 of each of three sizes 4" > x 36", 4x 30 > and 4 x36. Their label printer told them to go to a sheet fed > printer. Does > anyone have a source- > > > Leslie McDonald > GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC. > 15121 Ventura Blvd. > Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 > Phone:(818) 783-5172 > Fax:(818)783-8649 > goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com > www.goodwayprintcopy.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From k_graham at hotmail.com Fri Oct 12 16:36:40 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Fri Oct 12 16:37:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] POLYESTER LABELS? References: <010401c80c6f$c1310ea0$660000c8@LeslieXP> Message-ID: > >> I have a customer who will provide either 5 mil or 3 mil sheets of >> polyester >> cut from a roll- they need 4/4 500 of each of three sizes 4" x 36", 4x >> 30 >> and 4 x36. Their label printer told them to go to a sheet fed printer. >> Does >> anyone have a source- >> Xante used to advertise their laser could print up to about 3 feet long. If you can get the stock about 12" wide perhaps this would be a way to do it. I think polyester is what is used for Xerox never tear paper so the material probably can be color copied. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 Dawson Creek BC Canada V1G 2G5 250-782-7108 From jgross at techiowa.com Fri Oct 12 17:18:51 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Fri Oct 12 17:19:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] POLYESTER LABELS? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000901c80d15$7d14d250$1e00000a@tech.local> Polyester is drafting film, 3 mil, and 5 mil are common. Simple enough for an Ink jet. I assume the reverse is the same image. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of k_graham@hotmail.com Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 3:37 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] POLYESTER LABELS? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> I have a customer who will provide either 5 mil or 3 mil sheets of >> polyester >> cut from a roll- they need 4/4 500 of each of three sizes 4" x 36", 4x >> 30 >> and 4 x36. Their label printer told them to go to a sheet fed printer. >> Does >> anyone have a source- >> Xante used to advertise their laser could print up to about 3 feet long. If you can get the stock about 12" wide perhaps this would be a way to do it. I think polyester is what is used for Xerox never tear paper so the material probably can be color copied. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 Dawson Creek BC Canada V1G 2G5 250-782-7108 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpurvine1 at cox.net Sun Oct 14 15:57:17 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Sun Oct 14 15:57:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] POLYESTER LABELS? In-Reply-To: <001b01c80d06$7745b100$1e00000a@tech.local> References: <001b01c80d06$7745b100$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: <009c01c80e9c$6cdbf2a0$6601a8c0@corapurvine> What about silkscreening it? Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Gross Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 2:31 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] POLYESTER LABELS? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** If registration isn't too tight, a good reprographic house could print two 4/0 sheets and laminate them together. Cutting might be a manual, expensive process though. A flatbed printer might be able to hole the 4/2 though. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Maui Print Works Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 2:17 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] POLYESTER LABELS? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** A Sign Shop with the right equipment could do it. They'd probably want to use their own material and usually print one side 4/0 not 4/4. Printing 2 sides off a roll wouldn't be easy. Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku, HI 96793 (808)242-6634 Fax (808)242-8967 bill@mauiprintworks.com www. mauiprintworks.com > I have a customer who will provide either 5 mil or 3 mil sheets of > polyester cut from a roll- they need 4/4 500 of each of three sizes > 4" x 36", 4x 30 and 4 x36. Their label printer told them to go to a > sheet fed printer. > Does > anyone have a source- > > > Leslie McDonald > GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC. > 15121 Ventura Blvd. > Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 > Phone:(818) 783-5172 > Fax:(818)783-8649 > goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2590 (20071012) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From pica18 at hotmail.com Sun Oct 14 23:10:01 2007 From: pica18 at hotmail.com (s polk) Date: Sun Oct 14 23:10:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need help with error code In-Reply-To: <470EB5B0.3000505@werkheiser.com> References: <6.0.0.22.2.20071010143951.050f9db8@192.168.1.1> <6322452c912f4878b753847d9a8914dc@eos.net> <470EB5B0.3000505@werkheiser.com> Message-ID: Can I get some help with an electrical error code E-1 on our ABD 3995/3302 before we have to call the $ervice Guy$ from the nearest big city to travel over? What kind of malfunction does it indicate, how can we clear it to get the job done on deadline? Steve McKinsey Printing Tryon, NC _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf?. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline From jdaghir at gmail.com Mon Oct 15 08:42:36 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Mon Oct 15 08:42:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF printing In-Reply-To: <01c801c80cf3$72e92f50$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <6CC808AE-3922-40CF-9A57-0FCE43D4DB7D@bellsouth.net> <200710102206.l9AM6EHP046806@i2bnetworks.com> <01c801c80cf3$72e92f50$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <83d5b9620710150542i223c8c67m430a19ad35bc9801@mail.gmail.com> You might try toggling the Overprint Preview function in Acrobat on/off. If the red area becomes visible in Acrobat then you may have some sort of overprint bug. The Creo might not be honoring an overprint setting when it should be or possibly it's overprinting something that it shouldn't. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Dan said: > A couple times recently, I've gotten PDF files to print that contain > transparency areas which print bright red instead of green or light blue or > whatever the file should look like. > Flatener is set to High Resolution. I've tried many different setting and > it always prints bright red. This is to our Xerox 250/Creo. Adobe CS3, > Windows XP Pro. > The little proxie image looks fine. The output preview looks fine, > separation preview looks fine, preflight said there were no problems. Still > prints red. > From kathy at mpcny.com Mon Oct 15 10:36:09 2007 From: kathy at mpcny.com (Kathy Henry) Date: Mon Oct 15 10:36:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] DHL In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.0.22.2.20071010143951.050f9db8@192.168.1.1> Message-ID: <01b101c80f38$baa06c40$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> Interesting problem with DHL this week we may all take note of. Last month we opened a DHL account for shipping. We have never used this account. Last week, I received a bill from DHL for $74.39 for shipping from a company called The Pickford Group in Edmonton AB, Canada, to Process Resources, Sugarland, Texas. I called DHL, told them we are not The Pickford Group, we are not Process Resources, and we never shipped nor authorized use of our account number. They assured me they would remove the charges. This took approximately 25 minutes of my time. Today, I received a letter threatening collection from DHL, telling me they cannot remove the charges as they cannot find anyone at The Pickford Group to take responsibility for the charge, nor Process Resources, thus it must be my fault. Called the complaint number again, taking over 45 minutes of my time. They refuse to remove the charges, and I now must call the police and file a fraud report, fax the fraud report into DHL, and a fraud complaint number will be issued. The police are on their way now. Will this resolve the matter? Probably not. Unless they can pin this on either the shipper or receiver, I will ultimately be responsible for the $74 bill. I have spent well over $74 worth of my time handling this issue, and there is no assurance that I will ever get this taken care of. The reason I opened the account in the first place was to stick it to FedEx and UPS who are in the printing business, but I have never had this problem with either of these companies. Use caution. Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing kathy@mpcny.com 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.9 - Release Date: 10/12/2007 12:00 AM From k_graham at hotmail.com Mon Oct 15 10:56:11 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Mon Oct 15 10:56:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] DHL References: <6.0.0.22.2.20071010143951.050f9db8@192.168.1.1> <01b101c80f38$baa06c40$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> Message-ID: Get them to show you a signature showing you are responsible or authorized it. I can't say as we've had that problem with a shipper. We have had a shipper bill air shipping for ground, but they said oops our error when confronted. I also disliked on the old Loomis shipping slips they had a box that said something akin to, "If this box is NOT checked you will be charged $5.00 for $50.00 shipping insurance" DHL took over Loomis, I am not sure if the shipping insurance box is still there. I always figured they made an extra $5.00 on a lot of people. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 Dawson Creek BC Canada V1G 2G5 250-782-7108 From jgross at techiowa.com Mon Oct 15 10:58:30 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Mon Oct 15 10:58:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] DHL In-Reply-To: <01b101c80f38$baa06c40$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> Message-ID: <00bc01c80f3b$d9f07240$1e00000a@tech.local> You might Invoice DHL for your time, including the time for the Invoice preparation. They don't have a "slot" for this kind of matter and will have to deal with you. Or not. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Henry Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 9:36 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] DHL ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Interesting problem with DHL this week we may all take note of. Last month we opened a DHL account for shipping. We have never used this account. Last week, I received a bill from DHL for $74.39 for shipping from a company called The Pickford Group in Edmonton AB, Canada, to Process Resources, Sugarland, Texas. I called DHL, told them we are not The Pickford Group, we are not Process Resources, and we never shipped nor authorized use of our account number. They assured me they would remove the charges. This took approximately 25 minutes of my time. Today, I received a letter threatening collection from DHL, telling me they cannot remove the charges as they cannot find anyone at The Pickford Group to take responsibility for the charge, nor Process Resources, thus it must be my fault. Called the complaint number again, taking over 45 minutes of my time. They refuse to remove the charges, and I now must call the police and file a fraud report, fax the fraud report into DHL, and a fraud complaint number will be issued. The police are on their way now. Will this resolve the matter? Probably not. Unless they can pin this on either the shipper or receiver, I will ultimately be responsible for the $74 bill. I have spent well over $74 worth of my time handling this issue, and there is no assurance that I will ever get this taken care of. The reason I opened the account in the first place was to stick it to FedEx and UPS who are in the printing business, but I have never had this problem with either of these companies. Use caution. Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing kathy@mpcny.com 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.9 - Release Date: 10/12/2007 12:00 AM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From slb at inkspot.net Mon Oct 15 11:14:47 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon Oct 15 11:15:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Weight of HP 45 ink cartridges? In-Reply-To: <00bc01c80f3b$d9f07240$1e00000a@tech.local> References: <01b101c80f38$baa06c40$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> Message-ID: <47134BA7.13812.108DD9@slb.inkspot.net> Surely someone has already done this... We use our Accufast printer intermittently, and we store the ink cartridges in a Tupperware container between uses. This (mostly) keeps them usable, I think, until they're empty (but I'm really not sure...). A new HP 45 black-ink cartridge weighs about 4-1/16 oz. I'm not sure what an empty one weighs, but I have a suspect at about 3-1/16 oz. Before I make a mess drilling a hole in it, has anyone else already collected some data that they're willing to share? (BTW, these are real, branded HP45 cartridges, HP# 51645A. I have a local supplier that I think is cheap enough that the compatibles don't seem to be worth the trouble.) TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Mon Oct 15 12:22:27 2007 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Mon Oct 15 12:24:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Interlake Stitch n' Fold - tabletop for sale Message-ID: We bought this around 98. It'll make booklets from flat sheets, but no face trim. Will make up to a 68 page self cover booklet with 24/60 paper. Before I put on eBay, I thought maybe someone in the group could use it. It worked pretty well before we retired it about?3 years ago. We?bought it around 98 as I recall.?Would be willing to let go for a very reasonable price. If anyone is interested, contact me off-line at the email address below. Thanks. ? Bernie Bahn? |?President?| Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200? | St. Louis MO 63026 Office?636-717-0690 ext102?|?Fax?636-717-0695?|?bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com From alewinter at datapalette.com Mon Oct 15 12:36:12 2007 From: alewinter at datapalette.com (Andrew LeWinter) Date: Mon Oct 15 12:31:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] DHL References: <6.0.0.22.2.20071010143951.050f9db8@192.168.1.1> <01b101c80f38$baa06c40$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> Message-ID: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D501E725C@mail1.datapalette.local> Kathy, I know that anything you do will involve time, but I wouldn't waste time on the phone. I would write a letter stating your position, and leave it at that. After that, if they make any attempt to damage your credit, I would sue in Small Claims for the statutory max of $5000. Your response letter should indicate that the obligation is on THEM to show who authorized the shipment from YOUR office, not who at Pickford Group authorized the shipment. The obligation is on them to show a relationship exists between you and either the shipper or the receiver, which they obviously cannot do. Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Henry Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:36 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] DHL ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Interesting problem with DHL this week we may all take note of. Last month we opened a DHL account for shipping. We have never used this account. Last week, I received a bill from DHL for $74.39 for shipping from a company called The Pickford Group in Edmonton AB, Canada, to Process Resources, Sugarland, Texas. I called DHL, told them we are not The Pickford Group, we are not Process Resources, and we never shipped nor authorized use of our account number. They assured me they would remove the charges. This took approximately 25 minutes of my time. Today, I received a letter threatening collection from DHL, telling me they cannot remove the charges as they cannot find anyone at The Pickford Group to take responsibility for the charge, nor Process Resources, thus it must be my fault. Called the complaint number again, taking over 45 minutes of my time. They refuse to remove the charges, and I now must call the police and file a fraud report, fax the fraud report into DHL, and a fraud complaint number will be issued. The police are on their way now. Will this resolve the matter? Probably not. Unless they can pin this on either the shipper or receiver, I will ultimately be responsible for the $74 bill. I have spent well over $74 worth of my time handling this issue, and there is no assurance that I will ever get this taken care of. The reason I opened the account in the first place was to stick it to FedEx and UPS who are in the printing business, but I have never had this problem with either of these companies. Use caution. Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing kathy@mpcny.com 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.9 - Release Date: 10/12/2007 12:00 AM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Oct 15 12:53:46 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Oct 15 12:54:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Weight of HP 45 ink cartridges? In-Reply-To: <47134BA7.13812.108DD9@slb.inkspot.net> References: <01b101c80f38$baa06c40$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> <00bc01c80f3b$d9f07240$1e00000a@tech.local> <47134BA7.13812.108DD9@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0710150953j5b8c19bex1b35a78c582b27e7@mail.gmail.com> On 10/15/07, Steve Blatman wrote: > > We use our Accufast printer intermittently, and we store the ink > cartridges in a Tupperware container between uses. This (mostly) > keeps them usable, I think, until they're empty (but I'm really not > sure...). I don't know the weight of an empty; nor do I understand why you might be drilling a hole in a suspect. But, given the same intermittent use as you, two other things we do to lengthen the cartridges' hoped-for lifespan is (1) to place a rubber band around them, wide enough to cover the operative part of the inkhead, and (2) to keep a moist paper towel in the sealed container wih them. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Oct 15 13:27:40 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Oct 15 13:28:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] DHL In-Reply-To: <01b101c80f38$baa06c40$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> References: <6.0.0.22.2.20071010143951.050f9db8@192.168.1.1> <01b101c80f38$baa06c40$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0710151027v298accacrc05d2993f1307100@mail.gmail.com> On 10/15/07, Kathy Henry wrote: > > The reason I opened the account in the first place was to stick it to FedEx > and UPS who are in the printing business, but I have never had this problem > with either of these companies. I left FedEx years ago over a very similar incident. Similar, too, in that they were an immovable object when it came to trying the reason with them. They refused to care; I refused to pay (the amount was over $300). For years, they have refused tp pick up here, even when we are using a customer's account number. I've always gotten satisfaction out of the amount of business their attitude has cost them over the years. We've never had an issue of any kind with UPS. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From owner at latsons.com Mon Oct 15 13:41:10 2007 From: owner at latsons.com (Dick Latson) Date: Mon Oct 15 13:42:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Weight of HP 45 ink cartridges? In-Reply-To: <47134BA7.13812.108DD9@slb.inkspot.net> References: <01b101c80f38$baa06c40$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> <47134BA7.13812.108DD9@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <200710151741.l9FHfk0k087930@pro35.abac.com> Steve, 1.42 fluid ounces or 42 ml. This information is on the packaging. One word of caution we have people in regularly that have created messes from trying to refill these cartridges. We sell these as loss leaders at 26.99 ea. I doubt that you could find them much cheaper. -Dick At 10:14 AM 10/15/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Surely someone has already done this... > >We use our Accufast printer intermittently, and we store the ink >cartridges in a Tupperware container between uses. This (mostly) >keeps them usable, I think, until they're empty (but I'm really not >sure...). > >A new HP 45 black-ink cartridge weighs about 4-1/16 oz. I'm not sure >what an empty one weighs, but I have a suspect at about 3-1/16 oz. >Before I make a mess drilling a hole in it, has anyone else already >collected some data that they're willing to share? > >(BTW, these are real, branded HP45 cartridges, HP# 51645A. I have a >local supplier that I think is cheap enough that the compatibles >don't seem to be worth the trouble.) > >TIA, >Steve Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: owner@latsons.com www.latsons.com From char at themasterspress.com Mon Oct 15 13:43:56 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Mon Oct 15 13:44:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] DHL In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0710151027v298accacrc05d2993f1307100@mail.gmail.com> References: <6.0.0.22.2.20071010143951.050f9db8@192.168.1.1><01b101c80f38$baa06c40$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> <98f5b19a0710151027v298accacrc05d2993f1307100@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00f201c80f52$ffe10110$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Kathy did you sign up through NAQP. Wondering if there is a rep there that you could go thru. I have been using DHL for a number of years and there are only 1 or 2 times I have had a billing issue and they have taken care of it right away. Seems like they could provide you a name with who signed for it and then go backwards from that and find out who sent it. Wrong billing is never profitable for anyone with the time it takes but it would certainly seem to their benefit to help you out here. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com From villageprinting1 at aol.com Mon Oct 15 13:45:46 2007 From: villageprinting1 at aol.com (villageprinting1@aol.com) Date: Mon Oct 15 13:46:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] DHL In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.0.22.2.20071010143951.050f9db8@192.168.1.1> <01b101c80f38$baa06c40$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> Message-ID: <8C9DD6A59A10AF2-780-6227@webmail-md17.sysops.aol.com> We have stopped using UPS in our store way back in Nov. 06'.? I received numerous bills since claiming I'm shipping to same location 5 times.? They tell me that our accounts been terminated & they can't seem to find the individual that is doing this. Yet I'm getting these bills & I'm not paying no matter what.? It seems this happens to a lot of us. Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax www.printing-n-graphics.com -----Original Message----- From: k_graham@hotmail.com To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:56 am Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] DHL ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? Get them to show you a signature showing you are responsible or authorized it.? ? I can't say as we've had that problem with a shipper. We have had a shipper bill air shipping for ground, but they said oops our error when confronted.? ? I also disliked on the old Loomis shipping slips they had a box that said something akin to,? ? "If this box is NOT checked you will be charged $5.00 for $50.00 shipping insurance"? ? DHL took over Loomis, I am not sure if the shipping insurance box is still there.? ? I always figured they made an extra $5.00 on a lot of people.? ? Ken Graham? CommunityPrinters.com? 250-782-7108? Dawson Creek BC Canada? V1G 2G5? ? 250-782-7108? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From slb at inkspot.net Mon Oct 15 14:34:32 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon Oct 15 14:35:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Weight of HP 45 ink cartridges? In-Reply-To: <200710151741.l9FHfk0k087930@pro35.abac.com> References: <47134BA7.13812.108DD9@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <47137A78.7586.C76FF4@slb.inkspot.net> Dick & Michael, Thanks for the information. We put the partials in Tupperware with a moist paper towel or piece of a rag. I hadn't thought of covering the business end of the cartridge with a rubber band, but I think we'll start doing that. The reason I wanted to know the weight of an empty cartridge (either by knowing the amount of liquid inside, drilling and emptying, or whatever) was so I'd know whether a cartridge was clogged or empty when it wasn't printing well. So, if a full cartridge weighs 4.06 oz., and it contains 42 ml of a liquid with about the same density as water, an empty cartridge should weigh about 42 grams less than a full one, or about 2.58 oz. Thanks, Steve > > Steve, > 1.42 fluid ounces or 42 ml. This information is on the packaging. > One word of caution we have people in regularly that have created > messes from trying to refill these cartridges. We sell these as loss > leaders at 26.99 ea. > I doubt that you could find them much cheaper. > -Dick > > > At 10:14 AM 10/15/2007, you wrote: > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >Surely someone has already done this... > > > >We use our Accufast printer intermittently, and we store the ink > >cartridges in a Tupperware container between uses. This (mostly) > >keeps them usable, I think, until they're empty (but I'm really not > >sure...). > > > >A new HP 45 black-ink cartridge weighs about 4-1/16 oz. I'm not sure > >what an empty one weighs, but I have a suspect at about 3-1/16 oz. > >Before I make a mess drilling a hole in it, has anyone else already > >collected some data that they're willing to share? > > > >(BTW, these are real, branded HP45 cartridges, HP# 51645A. I have a > >local supplier that I think is cheap enough that the compatibles > >don't seem to be worth the trouble.) > > > >TIA, > >Steve > > Dick Latson > Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. > 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 > Commerce, Texas 75428 > (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 > email: owner@latsons.com > www.latsons.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2591 (20071014) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com Mon Oct 15 14:51:00 2007 From: sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com (Travis) Date: Mon Oct 15 14:53:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Weight of HP 45 ink cartridges? In-Reply-To: <47137A78.7586.C76FF4@slb.inkspot.net> References: <47134BA7.13812.108DD9@slb.inkspot.net> <47137A78.7586.C76FF4@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <000601c80f5c$55f38650$01da92f0$@com> I have found that neoprene against the working end works better than just a rubber band. just my 2 cents... Travis Lewis Date-Line Digital Printing -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:35 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Weight of HP 45 ink cartridges? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Dick & Michael, Thanks for the information. We put the partials in Tupperware with a moist paper towel or piece of a rag. I hadn't thought of covering the business end of the cartridge with a rubber band, but I think we'll start doing that. The reason I wanted to know the weight of an empty cartridge (either by knowing the amount of liquid inside, drilling and emptying, or whatever) was so I'd know whether a cartridge was clogged or empty when it wasn't printing well. So, if a full cartridge weighs 4.06 oz., and it contains 42 ml of a liquid with about the same density as water, an empty cartridge should weigh about 42 grams less than a full one, or about 2.58 oz. Thanks, Steve > > Steve, > 1.42 fluid ounces or 42 ml. This information is on the packaging. > One word of caution we have people in regularly that have created > messes from trying to refill these cartridges. We sell these as loss > leaders at 26.99 ea. > I doubt that you could find them much cheaper. > -Dick > > > At 10:14 AM 10/15/2007, you wrote: > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >Surely someone has already done this... > > > >We use our Accufast printer intermittently, and we store the ink > >cartridges in a Tupperware container between uses. This (mostly) > >keeps them usable, I think, until they're empty (but I'm really not > >sure...). > > > >A new HP 45 black-ink cartridge weighs about 4-1/16 oz. I'm not sure > >what an empty one weighs, but I have a suspect at about 3-1/16 oz. > >Before I make a mess drilling a hole in it, has anyone else already > >collected some data that they're willing to share? > > > >(BTW, these are real, branded HP45 cartridges, HP# 51645A. I have a > >local supplier that I think is cheap enough that the compatibles > >don't seem to be worth the trouble.) > > > >TIA, > >Steve > > Dick Latson > Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. > 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 > Commerce, Texas 75428 > (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 > email: owner@latsons.com > www.latsons.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2591 (20071014) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bill at mauiprintworks.com Mon Oct 15 15:11:37 2007 From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works) Date: Mon Oct 15 15:12:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] DHL In-Reply-To: <01b101c80f38$baa06c40$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> References: <6.0.0.22.2.20071010143951.050f9db8@192.168.1.1> <01b101c80f38$baa06c40$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> Message-ID: <7180352e9c2445b8f7c90f9ec0677039@mauiprintworks.com> On the DHL Airbills 1) It would have your preprinted account #, if not it's DHL's responsibility to use caution to assure the validity of the shipment 2) There is a place on the DHL Airbill for the senders signature, and the DHL pickup drivers signature. So that was the initial DHL transaction, They're responsible. 3) The person receiving the shipment signs that electronic pad in the presence of the driver. DHL's responsibility. This was a transaction between the Shipper, the Receiver and DHL. Not you. I would tell DHL to prove it, DHL get the fraud report, Credit my account or pay for court costs. Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku, HI 96793 (808)242-6634 Fax (808)242-8967 bill@mauiprintworks.com www. mauiprintworks.com > Interesting problem with DHL this week we may all take note of. > > Last month we opened a DHL account for shipping. We have never used > this > account. Last week, I received a bill from DHL for $74.39 for shipping > from > a company called The Pickford Group in Edmonton AB, Canada, to Process > Resources, Sugarland, Texas. > > I called DHL, told them we are not The Pickford Group, we are not > Process > Resources, and we never shipped nor authorized use of our account > number. > They assured me they would remove the charges. This took approximately > 25 > minutes of my time. > > Today, I received a letter threatening collection from DHL, telling me > they > cannot remove the charges as they cannot find anyone at The Pickford > Group > to take responsibility for the charge, nor Process Resources, thus it > must > be my fault. > > Called the complaint number again, taking over 45 minutes of my time. > They > refuse to remove the charges, and I now must call the police and file a > fraud report, fax the fraud report into DHL, and a fraud complaint > number > will be issued. The police are on their way now. Will this resolve the > matter? Probably not. Unless they can pin this on either the shipper or > receiver, I will ultimately be responsible for the $74 bill. > > I have spent well over $74 worth of my time handling this issue, and > there > is no assurance that I will ever get this taken care of. > > The reason I opened the account in the first place was to stick it to > FedEx > and UPS who are in the printing business, but I have never had this > problem > with either of these companies. > > Use caution. > > Kathleen Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing > kathy@mpcny.com > > 125 East First Street > PO Box 815 > Oswego, NY 13126 From kathy at mpcny.com Mon Oct 15 15:28:08 2007 From: kathy at mpcny.com (Kathy Henry) Date: Mon Oct 15 15:28:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] DHL In-Reply-To: <7180352e9c2445b8f7c90f9ec0677039@mauiprintworks.com> References: <6.0.0.22.2.20071010143951.050f9db8@192.168.1.1><01b101c80f38$baa06c40$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> <7180352e9c2445b8f7c90f9ec0677039@mauiprintworks.com> Message-ID: <01ed01c80f61$8453ade0$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> Beginning of a resolution. Called my DHL sales rep through NAQP, no response, voice mail. The Police came and said they cannot file a fraud report as the fraud occurred in Canada at the inception of the shipment, not here. The person who shipped from there used our account number, they were the ones who were guilty of fraud, and I would have to file a intercontinental complaint. However, the police officer very kindly offered to call DHL, which he did. He told them he was a police officer here in Oswego, NY and there would be no fraud report filed by him, the only fraud he could see being perpetrated was on me by DHL. The DHL supervisor assured him that she would send a letter out today absolving the bill. Ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous. Any one of us could have called that number and pretended to be a police officer and got that resolution. We shall see if it happens. The first call I made to DHL I asked them to cancel my shipping account, which they did and gave me a confirmation number. When I had to call today, I asked again if any account in my name was opened, and lo and behold, there was another "complimentary" account open in my name, which I also cancelled with a confirmation number. DHL has no system in place to prevent others from using someone else's shipping number, and it is up to the person with that account number to prove they did not ship or authorize. This is eerily reminiscent of my problems with AmEx. Why am I always the one who has to prove, while others get the benefit? Why are we in business? I am going to Walmart to stock cans. Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing kathy@mpcny.com 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Maui Print Works Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:12 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] DHL ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On the DHL Airbills 1) It would have your preprinted account #, if not it's DHL's responsibility to use caution to assure the validity of the shipment 2) There is a place on the DHL Airbill for the senders signature, and the DHL pickup drivers signature. So that was the initial DHL transaction, They're responsible. 3) The person receiving the shipment signs that electronic pad in the presence of the driver. DHL's responsibility. This was a transaction between the Shipper, the Receiver and DHL. Not you. I would tell DHL to prove it, DHL get the fraud report, Credit my account or pay for court costs. Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku, HI 96793 (808)242-6634 Fax (808)242-8967 bill@mauiprintworks.com www. mauiprintworks.com > Interesting problem with DHL this week we may all take note of. > > Last month we opened a DHL account for shipping. We have never used > this > account. Last week, I received a bill from DHL for $74.39 for shipping > from > a company called The Pickford Group in Edmonton AB, Canada, to Process > Resources, Sugarland, Texas. > > I called DHL, told them we are not The Pickford Group, we are not > Process > Resources, and we never shipped nor authorized use of our account > number. > They assured me they would remove the charges. This took approximately > 25 > minutes of my time. > > Today, I received a letter threatening collection from DHL, telling me > they > cannot remove the charges as they cannot find anyone at The Pickford > Group > to take responsibility for the charge, nor Process Resources, thus it > must > be my fault. > > Called the complaint number again, taking over 45 minutes of my time. > They > refuse to remove the charges, and I now must call the police and file a > fraud report, fax the fraud report into DHL, and a fraud complaint > number > will be issued. The police are on their way now. Will this resolve the > matter? Probably not. Unless they can pin this on either the shipper or > receiver, I will ultimately be responsible for the $74 bill. > > I have spent well over $74 worth of my time handling this issue, and > there > is no assurance that I will ever get this taken care of. > > The reason I opened the account in the first place was to stick it to > FedEx > and UPS who are in the printing business, but I have never had this > problem > with either of these companies. > > Use caution. > > Kathleen Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing > kathy@mpcny.com > > 125 East First Street > PO Box 815 > Oswego, NY 13126 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.9 - Release Date: 10/12/2007 12:00 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.9 - Release Date: 10/12/2007 12:00 AM From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Mon Oct 15 15:42:28 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Mon Oct 15 15:38:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] DHL In-Reply-To: <20071015183520.BD8BBC0A989@rb.enter.net> References: <20071015183520.BD8BBC0A989@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <6742af8d5a94cda84d1a7151d3e6740a@sheergraphics.com> We've had the same story with FedEx and a successor lender. They don't listen, refuse to read and just don't care. Oh for 'loser pays', or the English Rule, in our courts of law whereby the losing side in a civil action, be they FedEx or DHL, would pay your lawyer and the court for your successful complaint. Document, document - send certified mail letters with a receipt to their legal department. Keep it brief and to the point - no waffle, don't wander off subject or digress into unneccessary detail. Facts, just the documented, provable facts. No opinions, no gratuitous comments. Bullet point each statement of fact with day, date, time and to whom you spoke or wrote. Then if not satisfied, launch a civil action in small claims court. FK's or DuH lawyers won't want to waste time on such a small suit they likely will lose when the court reviews your WRITTEN and DOCUMENTED evidence. As plaintiffs and defendants who document everything, we've not lost a case - just a lot (two words, not 'alot'!) of time. Your remedy takes some effort on your part. >> The reason I opened the account in the first place was to stick it to >> FedEx >> and UPS who are in the printing business, but I have never had this >> problem >> with either of these companies. > I left FedEx years ago over a very similar incident. Similar, too, in > that they > were an immovable object when it came to trying the reason with them. > They > refused to care; I refused to pay (the amount was over $300). For > years, they > have refused tp pick up here, even when we are using a customer's > account > number. .... > ..... Wrong billing is never profitable for anyone with the time it > takes but it would certainly > seem to their benefit to help you out here. > We have stopped using UPS in our store way back.... they can't seem to > find .... Yet I'm getting these bills & I'm not paying no matter what? > It seems this happens to a lot of us. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From jgross at techiowa.com Mon Oct 15 15:39:32 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Mon Oct 15 15:40:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] DHL In-Reply-To: <01ed01c80f61$8453ade0$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> Message-ID: <012e01c80f63$1c371510$1e00000a@tech.local> This looks like a limited case of identity theft. Be watchful for other charges and maybe monitor your credit reports and credit cards. This could just be the tip of it, I hope not. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Henry Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:28 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] DHL ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Beginning of a resolution. Called my DHL sales rep through NAQP, no response, voice mail. The Police came and said they cannot file a fraud report as the fraud occurred in Canada at the inception of the shipment, not here. The person who shipped from there used our account number, they were the ones who were guilty of fraud, and I would have to file a intercontinental complaint. However, the police officer very kindly offered to call DHL, which he did. He told them he was a police officer here in Oswego, NY and there would be no fraud report filed by him, the only fraud he could see being perpetrated was on me by DHL. The DHL supervisor assured him that she would send a letter out today absolving the bill. Ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous. Any one of us could have called that number and pretended to be a police officer and got that resolution. We shall see if it happens. The first call I made to DHL I asked them to cancel my shipping account, which they did and gave me a confirmation number. When I had to call today, I asked again if any account in my name was opened, and lo and behold, there was another "complimentary" account open in my name, which I also cancelled with a confirmation number. DHL has no system in place to prevent others from using someone else's shipping number, and it is up to the person with that account number to prove they did not ship or authorize. This is eerily reminiscent of my problems with AmEx. Why am I always the one who has to prove, while others get the benefit? Why are we in business? I am going to Walmart to stock cans. Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing kathy@mpcny.com 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Maui Print Works Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:12 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] DHL ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On the DHL Airbills 1) It would have your preprinted account #, if not it's DHL's responsibility to use caution to assure the validity of the shipment 2) There is a place on the DHL Airbill for the senders signature, and the DHL pickup drivers signature. So that was the initial DHL transaction, They're responsible. 3) The person receiving the shipment signs that electronic pad in the presence of the driver. DHL's responsibility. This was a transaction between the Shipper, the Receiver and DHL. Not you. I would tell DHL to prove it, DHL get the fraud report, Credit my account or pay for court costs. Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku, HI 96793 (808)242-6634 Fax (808)242-8967 bill@mauiprintworks.com www. mauiprintworks.com > Interesting problem with DHL this week we may all take note of. > > Last month we opened a DHL account for shipping. We have never used > this > account. Last week, I received a bill from DHL for $74.39 for shipping > from > a company called The Pickford Group in Edmonton AB, Canada, to Process > Resources, Sugarland, Texas. > > I called DHL, told them we are not The Pickford Group, we are not > Process > Resources, and we never shipped nor authorized use of our account > number. > They assured me they would remove the charges. This took approximately > 25 > minutes of my time. > > Today, I received a letter threatening collection from DHL, telling me > they > cannot remove the charges as they cannot find anyone at The Pickford > Group > to take responsibility for the charge, nor Process Resources, thus it > must > be my fault. > > Called the complaint number again, taking over 45 minutes of my time. > They > refuse to remove the charges, and I now must call the police and file a > fraud report, fax the fraud report into DHL, and a fraud complaint > number > will be issued. The police are on their way now. Will this resolve the > matter? Probably not. Unless they can pin this on either the shipper or > receiver, I will ultimately be responsible for the $74 bill. > > I have spent well over $74 worth of my time handling this issue, and > there > is no assurance that I will ever get this taken care of. > > The reason I opened the account in the first place was to stick it to > FedEx > and UPS who are in the printing business, but I have never had this > problem > with either of these companies. > > Use caution. > > Kathleen Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing > kathy@mpcny.com > > 125 East First Street > PO Box 815 > Oswego, NY 13126 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.9 - Release Date: 10/12/2007 12:00 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.9 - Release Date: 10/12/2007 12:00 AM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Mon Oct 15 15:51:54 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Mon Oct 15 15:47:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Weight of HP 45 ink cartridges? In-Reply-To: <20071015183520.BD8BBC0A989@rb.enter.net> References: <20071015183520.BD8BBC0A989@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Who cares how much it weighs? We pay $1 or $2 more for genuine HP cartridges and the extra is well spent. The Collins Ink cartridges previously used 2 or 3 years ago were always clogging up or drying out and were thrown away when still weighing umpteen grams . All that phutzing around, spending many precious minutes trying unsuccessfully to revive a non-HP cartridge - wow! Time costs more than the 'savings'. Don't buy using price of product as the criterium, buy with the cost of ownership in mind. Total cost, not purchase price! >> We use our Accufast printer intermittently, and we store the ink >> cartridges in a Tupperware container between uses. This (mostly) >> keeps them usable, I think, until they're empty (but I'm really not >> sure...). > I don't know the weight of an empty; nor do I understand why you > might be drilling a hole in a suspect. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From slb at inkspot.net Mon Oct 15 15:59:12 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon Oct 15 15:59:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Weight of HP 45 ink cartridges? In-Reply-To: References: <20071015183520.BD8BBC0A989@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <47138E50.31704.114F250@slb.inkspot.net> As I've already said, my sole reason for asking was to have a way to differentiate between an empty cartridge and a clogged one, or, similarly, to help decide whether a cartridge was worth any time to get it to print better. We use HP cartridges because the guy around the corner from us sells them for about the same as we can buy the off-brands. And, the tips on storing partially used cartridges have certainly been worth learning. Anybody know where I can get those little caps that fit 45A cartridges? Steve > > Who cares how much it weighs? We pay $1 or $2 more for genuine HP > cartridges and the extra is well spent. The Collins Ink cartridges > previously used 2 or 3 years ago were always clogging up or drying out > and were thrown away when still weighing umpteen grams . All that > phutzing around, spending many precious minutes trying unsuccessfully > to revive a non-HP cartridge - wow! Time costs more than the 'savings'. > > Don't buy using price of product as the criterium, buy with the cost of > ownership in mind. > > Total cost, not purchase price! > > > >> We use our Accufast printer intermittently, and we store the ink > >> cartridges in a Tupperware container between uses. This (mostly) > >> keeps them usable, I think, until they're empty (but I'm really not > >> sure...). > > > I don't know the weight of an empty; nor do I understand why you > > might be drilling a hole in a suspect. > > Please reply to Simon Sheers at: > > > Sheer Graphics Inc. > 47 Chestnut Avenue, > Westmont, IL 60559-1127 > Tel: (630) 654-4422 > > Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2591 (20071014) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From dennis.trump at gmail.com Mon Oct 15 17:26:24 2007 From: dennis.trump at gmail.com (Dennis Trump) Date: Mon Oct 15 17:26:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Weight of HP 45 ink cartridges? In-Reply-To: <47134BA7.13812.108DD9@slb.inkspot.net> References: <01b101c80f38$baa06c40$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> <00bc01c80f3b$d9f07240$1e00000a@tech.local> <47134BA7.13812.108DD9@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <41aa6a080710151426j4fb311c9s1c152653ee87c557@mail.gmail.com> > > A new HP 45 black-ink cartridge weighs about 4-1/16 oz. I'm not sure > what an empty one weighs, but I have a suspect at about 3-1/16 oz. > Before I make a mess drilling a hole in it, has anyone else already > collected some data that they're willing to share? Steve, A full cartridge of HP Versatile Black weighs in at 4.08 oz or 115.8Grams. The empty cartridges weigh in the neighborhood of 2.79 oz or 79.2 Grams. -- Dennis Trump Trump Direct a print and direct mail communications company Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 From brian at mousegraphics.com Mon Oct 15 19:21:09 2007 From: brian at mousegraphics.com (Brian Perkinson) Date: Mon Oct 15 19:21:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] DHL In-Reply-To: <012e01c80f63$1c371510$1e00000a@tech.local> References: <012e01c80f63$1c371510$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: <4713F5E5.40606@mousegraphics.com> John Gross wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > This looks like a limited case of identity theft. Be watchful for other > charges and maybe monitor your credit reports and credit cards. This could > just be the tip of it, I hope not. > Could it be a simple mistake, or a transposed account number? Maybe DHL would look up the numbers for sender and/or receiver and see if it was a typo. Brian -- Brian Perkinson Mousegraphics 1414 W 14th St Tempe, AZ 85281 480-894-1992 1-888-88 MOUSE brian@mousegraphics.com www.mousegraphics.com From slb at inkspot.net Mon Oct 15 19:24:08 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon Oct 15 19:24:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] URGENT HELP NEEDED WITH ACCUZIP In-Reply-To: <47138E50.31704.114F250@slb.inkspot.net> References: Message-ID: <4713BE58.24526.1D09190@slb.inkspot.net> I'm trying to get Accuzip to export for an Accufast printer, and I can't figure out how to get the export format to include enough lines. Please call, if you can--610-842-2021. Thanks very much in advance, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Tue Oct 16 02:36:50 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Tue Oct 16 02:37:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Addressing on UV Message-ID: We are UV coating some of our smaller postcard mailings offline. Since we can't spot UV the "address block" offline, we are using the video jet. It is working OK, but.............I'd like to know if anyone is addressing directly onto UV using another method. Video is a bit dated looking. Is there a more aggressive drying ink that you are using to print after UV coating??? Thanks in advance...... Larry larry@DesertPacificPrinting.com Tucson From slb at inkspot.net Tue Oct 16 11:47:21 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Oct 16 11:48:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Weight of HP 45 ink cartridges? In-Reply-To: <41aa6a080710151426j4fb311c9s1c152653ee87c557@mail.gmail.com> References: <47134BA7.13812.108DD9@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <4714A4C9.15398.554BBF0@slb.inkspot.net> Thanks, Dennis. It's nice to know I was fighting a losing battle with the cartridges I replaced yesterday--they were close enough to empty to toss. I'll keep those figures handy for future diagnoses... Steve > > > > > A new HP 45 black-ink cartridge weighs about 4-1/16 oz. I'm not sure > > what an empty one weighs, but I have a suspect at about 3-1/16 oz. > > Before I make a mess drilling a hole in it, has anyone else already > > collected some data that they're willing to share? > > > Steve, A full cartridge of HP Versatile Black weighs in at 4.08 oz or > 115.8Grams. The empty cartridges weigh in the neighborhood of > 2.79 oz or 79.2 Grams. > > -- > Dennis Trump > Trump Direct > a print and direct mail communications company > Decatur IL > www.trumpdirect.com > trump@trumpdirect.com > 217.429.9001 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2592 (20071015) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From stalprint at charter.net Tue Oct 16 12:19:27 2007 From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings) Date: Tue Oct 16 12:19:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Kan't Kopy 2 part - NO watermark Message-ID: <4714E48F.4020304@charter.net> FYI If you are selling this product and promoting a watermark as a security feature, that is incorrect. Blanks USA notes on their web site and on the package label there is a watermark on the back of the sheet in the two part Kan't Kopy carbonless sets. Just got some in and there is no watermark. Called customer service and after a few minutes of research, they said there is no watermark on the two part. Renee at extension 6905 said they would delete the watermark notation on the webs site & packaging material. -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 1709 Walt Arney Road Lenoir, NC 28645 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net From bradw at auburnprint.com Tue Oct 16 12:29:24 2007 From: bradw at auburnprint.com (Brad Weston) Date: Tue Oct 16 12:29:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Addressing on UV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20071016092314.04b1e700@192.168.1.1> I spoke to two ink manufacturers a Graph Expo last month about this very subject. The only way to get the ink to dry is with a minimum 8000 watt dryer on the end of the inkjet. For my "jet 1" it would be about $7500. The best I have found is the HP "Picasso" ink. We use a 4000 watt dryer and have to run it very very very slow, and let is sit for a couple of hours before we put it in trays. Thanks Brad Weston Auburn Printers 13020 Earhart Ave Auburn CA 95602 "Endurance Capitol of the World" 530-885-9674 Phone 530-885-6517 Fax <http://www.auburnprint.com/> At 11:36 PM 10/15/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We are UV coating some of our smaller postcard mailings offline. > >Since we can't spot UV the "address block" offline, we are using the video >jet. > >It is working OK, but.............I'd like to know if anyone is addressing >directly onto UV using another method. > >Video is a bit dated looking. > >Is there a more aggressive drying ink that you are using to print after UV >coating??? > >Thanks in advance...... > >Larry >larry@DesertPacificPrinting.com >Tucson >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jeff at hprinting.biz Tue Oct 16 12:38:07 2007 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Tue Oct 16 12:38:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Addressing on UV In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20071016092314.04b1e700@192.168.1.1> References: <6.0.0.22.2.20071016092314.04b1e700@192.168.1.1> Message-ID: <20071016163800.7049.2941@hm-pop1.solinus.com> At 12:29 PM 10/16/2007, you wrote: >I spoke to two ink manufacturers a Graph Expo >last month about this very subject. The only way >to get the ink to dry is with a minimum 8000 >watt dryer on the end of the inkjet. For my "jet >1" it would be about $7500. The best I have >found is the HP "Picasso" ink. We use a 4000 >watt dryer and have to run it very very very >slow, and let is sit for a couple of hours before we put it in trays. We have a 9,000 watt dryer and it doesn't dry well with UV. We told people we won't address UV stuff. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From kellycrom at gmail.com Tue Oct 16 14:24:01 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Tue Oct 16 14:24:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] FedEx Kinko's full page ad - 49 cent color copies - til March 2008! Message-ID: <02dd01c81021$bab35820$6d01a8c0@KELLY> I just read a full page ad in our paper for FEK color copies. Below is the exact copy from the bottom of the page: "Sale-price-per-page color copy is available at all FedEx Kinko's U.S. locations, including FedEx Kinko's Print Online orders processed at U.S. locations, for one-sided 8-1/2" x 11" and one-sided 8-1/2" x 14" laser paper until March 31, 2008 as follows: 49c for orders of 1-2,499 pages; 39c for orders of 2,500-9,999 pages; 29c for orders of 10,000 or more pages. This offer cannot be used in combination with other coupons, special offers of discounts. Customer pays all sales tax. Products, services and hours vary by location..." Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Tue Oct 16 14:25:55 2007 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Tue Oct 16 14:24:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Genesis DPX Message-ID: Is anyone here using a Genesis/Mitsubishi polyester plate system? We run through a variety of issues ranging from tonight, whether or not to use etch, chemical mixes, etc., that I can't get consistent answers to. Our sales person sales one thing, Mitsubishi says another and our press service person has a third opinion on everything. They are all wrong. If anyone is having good, consistent results with this machine please let me know so I can have my pressman either talk to you or your operator. I'm pretty strong every aspect of the shop, except the press. If I ever was in a position where there were I couldn't find a good pressman I'd have to go digital. I try to support him as much as I can with access to the aforementioned "authorities" on presswork, but we're not getting anywhere. Anyway, if anyone considers themselves very knowledgeable on the subject please let me know. I already got a lot out of the previous discussion on stabilizer contaminating activator, and am looking for more advice in that direction. Thanks. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com From mfoster at chilitech.net Tue Oct 16 14:49:27 2007 From: mfoster at chilitech.net (Michael Foster) Date: Tue Oct 16 14:51:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] FedEx Kinko's full page ad - 49 cent color copies - til March 2008! In-Reply-To: <02dd01c81021$bab35820$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: Our UPS store is advertising 35? color copies, and the Staples is at 29?....some restrictions apply.... -- Michael Foster The Print Shoppe 421 Washington Blvd. Williamsport, PA 17701 570-327-9005 Fax 570-327-9149 www.theprintshoppe.com mfoster@chilitech.net > From: Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:24:01 -0500 > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Subject: [PrintOwners] FedEx Kinko's full page ad - 49 cent color copies - til > March 2008! > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I just read a full page ad in our paper for FEK color copies. Below is the > exact copy from the bottom of the page: > > "Sale-price-per-page color copy is available at all FedEx Kinko's U.S. > locations, including FedEx Kinko's Print Online orders processed at U.S. > locations, for one-sided 8-1/2" x 11" and one-sided 8-1/2" x 14" laser paper > until March 31, 2008 as follows: 49c for orders of 1-2,499 pages; 39c for > orders of 2,500-9,999 pages; 29c for orders of 10,000 or more pages. This > offer cannot be used in combination with other coupons, special offers of > discounts. Customer pays all sales tax. Products, services and hours vary by > location..." > > Kelly Crom > Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. > > We've Moved!!! > 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 > Plymouth, MN 55441 > New Phone: (763)231-6970 > kellycrom@gmail.com > www.applied-graphics.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Oct 16 14:54:54 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Oct 16 14:55:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] FedEx Kinko's full page ad - 49 cent color copies - til March 2008! In-Reply-To: <02dd01c81021$bab35820$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <02dd01c81021$bab35820$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0710161154w33d55717g1076cd29711bdb8c@mail.gmail.com> On 10/16/07, Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics wrote: > > "Sale-price-per-page color copy is available at all FedEx Kinko's U.S. > locations, including FedEx Kinko's Print Online orders processed at U.S. > locations, for one-sided 8-1/2" x 11" and one-sided 8-1/2" x 14" laser paper > until March 31, 2008 as follows: 49c for orders of 1-2,499 pages; 39c for > orders of 2,500-9,999 pages; 29c for orders of 10,000 or more pages. Nice and simple. I like that. 10,000 4/0 on 60# for $2900 has about a 12-1/2% cost of goods. I think I might promote that (at a competitive $2899, of course) as our specialty! -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From rstor at copycats.com Tue Oct 16 15:03:08 2007 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Tue Oct 16 15:05:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] FedEx Kinko's full page ad - 49 cent color copies - til March 2008! In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0710161154w33d55717g1076cd29711bdb8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <02dd01c81021$bab35820$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <98f5b19a0710161154w33d55717g1076cd29711bdb8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47150AEC.9040501@copycats.com> How about 1 of 10,000? Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Michael Vogel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On 10/16/07, Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics wrote: > >> "Sale-price-per-page color copy is available at all FedEx Kinko's U.S. >> locations, including FedEx Kinko's Print Online orders processed at U.S. >> locations, for one-sided 8-1/2" x 11" and one-sided 8-1/2" x 14" laser paper >> until March 31, 2008 as follows: 49c for orders of 1-2,499 pages; 39c for >> orders of 2,500-9,999 pages; 29c for orders of 10,000 or more pages. >> > > > Nice and simple. I like that. > 10,000 4/0 on 60# for $2900 has about a 12-1/2% cost of goods. > I think I might promote that (at a competitive $2899, of course) as > our specialty! > > > From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Oct 16 15:11:04 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Oct 16 15:12:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Advice on HTML emails & advertisements Message-ID: I need advice from the list as to your attitudes towards HTML emails that, when allowed, open up into a full graphic of sorts. The reason I ask is that I have an email list of about 2,500 previous survey participants and others who have received surveys, etc. I would like to do some test marketing with this list and promote the book that Larry and I wrote. However, my concern is how these are received both physically and psychologically, if at all, by most recipients on this list. Does your email client automatically block these types of emails, or are they perceived as spam by your current email program and put into a spam folder? Or, are you given a option or choice as to whether you open them or not based upon whether you know the sender? My second choice is designing a much simpler "flyer" in Word using basically a rich text format and using different type sizes and color, etc. and then including a very simple order form. Far less elegant, but I assume these would be opened almost automatically, once again assuming you knew who it was from per the "subject" line... i.e. "A special offer from Larry Hunt and John Stewart." As a simple example, I just highlighted the last line in red and made it both bold and italic. Did this come through as intended? Any help or advice would be appreciated. Thank you. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From bherion at bucksdigital.com Tue Oct 16 15:18:17 2007 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Tue Oct 16 15:19:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 26, Issue 52 In-Reply-To: <20071016190517.4C126C0DC67@rb.enter.net> References: <20071016190517.4C126C0DC67@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071016151543.03323ce8@bucksdigital.com> At 03:05 PM 10/16/2007, you wrote: >"Sale-price-per-page color copy is available at all FedEx Kinko's U.S. >locations... Good for them! Great news! WE SHOULD ALL RAISE OUR PRICES TO MEET THEM. I am now beholden to both Adobe and Fedex for doing the right thing. Honestly, I am tickled pink. This is only good, good, good for everyone. Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Tue Oct 16 15:19:02 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Tue Oct 16 15:19:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:FedEx Kinko's full page ad - 49 cent color copies - til Mar... Message-ID: Guess they are just trying to take customers away from us. And if they get that right amount of volume. It could be profitable for them. As long as they do around 5000+ prints a day. They will take a big portion of our share. And they just might continue that campaign & in the long run will hurt lots of us. I am in process of attaining a Xerox 242 or KM 6500. At those numbers they are charging I will not be able to play in their league. Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Oct 16 15:21:44 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Oct 16 15:25:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Advice on HTML emails & advertisements In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200710161924.l9GJOUgD036511@i2bnetworks.com> In my world, HTML email is DOA by design because its usually junk...and because I got no time to get my Penis enlarged or get Hoodiaated. So its all Junk to me, and gets treated appropriately If I were in your situation, I would send a plain text email with a link that people could click to get your file that would be sitting on your website. Like this: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/Adobe_Docs/InDesign_CS3_Rev_Guide_SMP.pdf (WARNING 6.5 Mb download so only click if you want the document). or a direct link to the page on your website that you would want them to see. That way, not only will your email not get flagged as SPAM, but then you can count the hits on that page and determine interest from your web logs. S. At 12:11 PM 10/16/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I need advice from the list as to your attitudes towards HTML emails that, >when allowed, open up into a full graphic of sorts. > >The reason I ask is that I have an email list of about 2,500 previous survey >participants and others who have received surveys, etc. I would like to do >some test marketing with this list and promote the book that Larry >and I wrote. > >However, my concern is how these are received both physically and >psychologically, if at all, by most recipients on this list. > >Does your email client automatically block these types of emails, or are >they perceived as spam by your current email program and put into a >spam folder? >Or, are you given a option or choice as to whether you open them or not based > upon whether you know the sender? > >My second choice is designing a much simpler "flyer" in Word using basically >a rich text format and using different type sizes and color, etc. and then >including a very simple order form. Far less elegant, but I >assume these would >be opened almost automatically, once again assuming you knew who it was from >per the "subject" line... i.e. "A special offer from Larry Hunt and John >Stewart." As a simple example, I just highlighted the last line in >red and made >it both bold and italic. Did this come through as intended? > >Any help or advice would be appreciated. Thank you. > >John Stewart >Q. P. Consulting, Inc. >Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > >by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > >2110 S. Dairy Road >West Melbourne, FL 32904 >321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 >Cell: 321-794-6259 >_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) >"Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > >************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2595 (20071016) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Oct 16 15:30:14 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Oct 16 15:31:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:FedEx Kinko's full page ad - 49 cent color copies - til ... Message-ID: In a message dated 10/16/2007 3:22:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, VillagePrinting1@aol.com writes: Guess they are just trying to take customers away from us. And if they get that right amount of volume. It could be profitable for them. As long as they do around 5000+ prints a day. They will take a big portion of our share. And they just might continue that campaign & in the long run will hurt lots of us. I am in process of attaining a Xerox 242 or KM 6500. At those numbers they are charging I will not be able to play in their league. Tom, I am not sure if you are being sarcastic or not, but it doesn't take a significant monthly volume to easily justify selling copies all day long in the 30-40 cent range! This assumes you are not talking about one's and two's off the glass, but rather serious 4/4 and 4/0 on various stocks in quantities ranging from 50 to 2,000. Like Bob Stor said earlier, we all ought to be very pleased with this announcement by Kinkos. The prices they are quoting are quite rational and certainly easier to promote and market than in the past. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Tue Oct 16 15:30:41 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Tue Oct 16 15:31:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] FedEx Kinko's full page ad - 49 cent color copies - til Mar... Message-ID: Your absolutely right Michael. LOL We charge $1225 4/4 #80 coated. That certainly wouldn't hurt our print department. Actually, any one doing that type of number would most likely be intelligent enough to get printed. Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Oct 16 15:33:17 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Oct 16 15:34:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Advice on HTML emails & advertisements Message-ID: In a message dated 10/16/2007 3:26:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, smc@sorrentomesa.com writes: If I were in your situation, I would send a plain text email with a link that people could click to get your file that would be sitting on your website. Scott, that is a great suggestion and I have indeed considered that. The only drawback (and I know it isn't much) is that they then have to take a second step. But on the other hand, it is a very easy step for me to take. Thanks. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From dcramer at printkinginc.com Tue Oct 16 15:49:24 2007 From: dcramer at printkinginc.com (Dennis Cramer) Date: Tue Oct 16 15:50:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailbag machine Message-ID: <000801c8102d$a7e93370$4c00a8c0@print7f2498382> All, I have a Plastic-set Mailbag machine and am looking for a source to buy the pollyethylene rolls from. Does anyone have a Midwest source? Dennis Cramer print king, inc. 7818 south cicero avenue burbank, il 60459 tel: 708.499.3777 fax: 708.499.3799 dcramer@printkinginc.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Oct 16 16:13:37 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Oct 16 16:14:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] FedEx Kinko's full page ad - 49 cent color copies - til March 2008! In-Reply-To: <47150AEC.9040501@copycats.com> References: <02dd01c81021$bab35820$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <98f5b19a0710161154w33d55717g1076cd29711bdb8c@mail.gmail.com> <47150AEC.9040501@copycats.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0710161313g3e6ab5e0v42fec4beebc7831a@mail.gmail.com> On 10/16/07, Robert Stor wrote: > > How about 1 of 10,000? Same cost of goods. I might charge a little more for the 10,000-page RIP. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com Tue Oct 16 16:17:40 2007 From: sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com (Travis) Date: Tue Oct 16 16:20:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] FedEx Kinko's full page ad - 49 cent color copies - til March 2008! In-Reply-To: <02dd01c81021$bab35820$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <02dd01c81021$bab35820$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <001401c81031$9c0f27e0$d42d77a0$@com> I wonder what their turnaround time would be... Here in Fairbanks, Kinko's doesn't have the equipment to run that type of volume, and the closest Kinko's that would is about 400 miles away, Anchorage, or possibly Seattle if the order is big enough. Even if they submit the job electronically you are still looking at 1-3 days shipping after the job is done. I love living in a remote area... Travis Lewis Date-Line Digital Printing Fairbanks, Alaska -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:24 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] FedEx Kinko's full page ad - 49 cent color copies - til March 2008! ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I just read a full page ad in our paper for FEK color copies. Below is the exact copy from the bottom of the page: "Sale-price-per-page color copy is available at all FedEx Kinko's U.S. locations, including FedEx Kinko's Print Online orders processed at U.S. locations, for one-sided 8-1/2" x 11" and one-sided 8-1/2" x 14" laser paper until March 31, 2008 as follows: 49c for orders of 1-2,499 pages; 39c for orders of 2,500-9,999 pages; 29c for orders of 10,000 or more pages. This offer cannot be used in combination with other coupons, special offers of discounts. Customer pays all sales tax. Products, services and hours vary by location..." Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jgross at techiowa.com Tue Oct 16 16:23:11 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Tue Oct 16 16:23:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:FedEx Kinko's full page ad - 49 cent colorcopies - til ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001501c81032$5fc93450$1e00000a@tech.local> John Stewart, in looking at the 6500, have you considered throughput speeds for cover and coated cover? I was really surprised to find that my Cannon 3200 slowed waaay down when it ran these stocks. Does the 6500 also drop speed for these stocks? John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 2:30 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re:FedEx Kinko's full page ad - 49 cent colorcopies - til ... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 10/16/2007 3:22:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, VillagePrinting1@aol.com writes: Guess they are just trying to take customers away from us. And if they get that right amount of volume. It could be profitable for them. As long as they do around 5000+ prints a day. They will take a big portion of our share. And they just might continue that campaign & in the long run will hurt lots of us. I am in process of attaining a Xerox 242 or KM 6500. At those numbers they are charging I will not be able to play in their league. Tom, I am not sure if you are being sarcastic or not, but it doesn't take a significant monthly volume to easily justify selling copies all day long in the 30-40 cent range! This assumes you are not talking about one's and two's off the glass, but rather serious 4/4 and 4/0 on various stocks in quantities ranging from 50 to 2,000. Like Bob Stor said earlier, we all ought to be very pleased with this announcement by Kinkos. The prices they are quoting are quite rational and certainly easier to promote and market than in the past. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bherion at bucksdigital.com Tue Oct 16 16:31:15 2007 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Tue Oct 16 16:31:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Credit Card Transactions Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071016161831.03314ed0@bucksdigital.com> We use PrintSmith. We were integrated with PRI for processing. One day, we had troubles - couldn't process through their software. That was two months ago and they STILL have not had anyone from their tech support call us back (they promised the call back 'in just a few minutes' many times). Enough of that garbage. Let me keep this very simple. My problems were solved professionally AND I saved money. If you want to do the same - not just through PrintSmith - Give a call to Steve Schoneberger at (301 )916-3949. The company is TermNet and the backbone is SkipJack. Steve was able to resolve those problems and save us money, which is icing on the cake. All we ever really wanted is to process without problems. Heck, we were willing to pay more! So, if you are having problems with your current provider and / or you want to save $ on your transaction fees, do not hesitate with these folks - a real class act. I do NOT get paid for this endorsement. Its just been that good for me. Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From bherion at bucksdigital.com Tue Oct 16 16:38:41 2007 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Tue Oct 16 16:39:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Advice on HTML emails & advertisements In-Reply-To: <20071016201457.97A92C0E13C@rb.enter.net> References: <20071016201457.97A92C0E13C@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071016163451.03335430@bucksdigital.com> At 04:14 PM 10/16/2007, you wrote: >I need advice from the list as to your attitudes towards HTML emails that, >when allowed, open up into a full graphic of sorts. John, I have configured my client so as to NOT display any HTML nor any other file. I can read text and that is all I want to do. I prefer short messages that get to the point. If I am interested further, I will copy / paste or type in a url - I have no problem with that. Hope that helps. Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Oct 16 16:49:34 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Oct 16 16:49:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] FedEx Kinko's full page ad - 49 cent color copies - til Mar... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0710161349t6cb8d530h6e3eb9cfc509ccfd@mail.gmail.com> On 10/16/07, VillagePrinting1@aol.com wrote: > > any one doing [fill in the blank] would most likely be intelligent enough to ... We must be living in different cultures from one another. You throw the word "intelligent" around as if it's a common trait. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From mitch.eaton at printingstation.com Tue Oct 16 16:52:42 2007 From: mitch.eaton at printingstation.com (Mitch Eaton) Date: Tue Oct 16 16:56:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Credit Card Transactions and Backups In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20071016161831.03314ed0@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <00f401c81036$7f33aab0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Bob, We're in the process of getting set up with them right now . . . Long story short . . . we just lost the computer that hosts Printsmith. Thank God we back up daily. It was a simple matter of re-installing Printsmith on another computer, copying the Printsmith folder over to the new master, and updating the workstations. Had it all back up and going in 15 minutes start to finish (except for the credit card processing which we are going to change over to Termnet). Make sure you do daily backups and also make sure the backups can be restored! Mitch Eaton The Printing Station 1420 Locust Street Des Moines, IA 50309 515-243-8144 866-866-7414 Fax 515-243-6540 mitch.eaton@printingstation.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bob Herion Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 3:31 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Credit Card Transactions ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We use PrintSmith. We were integrated with PRI for processing. One day, we had troubles - couldn't process through their software. That was two months ago and they STILL have not had anyone from their tech support call us back (they promised the call back 'in just a few minutes' many times). Enough of that garbage. Let me keep this very simple. My problems were solved professionally AND I saved money. If you want to do the same - not just through PrintSmith - Give a call to Steve Schoneberger at (301 )916-3949. The company is TermNet and the backbone is SkipJack. Steve was able to resolve those problems and save us money, which is icing on the cake. All we ever really wanted is to process without problems. Heck, we were willing to pay more! So, if you are having problems with your current provider and / or you want to save $ on your transaction fees, do not hesitate with these folks - a real class act. I do NOT get paid for this endorsement. Its just been that good for me. Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From armand at curryonline.com Tue Oct 16 17:15:36 2007 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Tue Oct 16 17:16:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Advice on HTML emails & advertisements In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <093b01c81039$b242c640$16c852c0$@com> John, I accept both plain text and html emails but the observation I have made is that most html emails are junk mail and I fear that others may see your html formatted email in the same way. Also, some mail clients can be set up to either reject html formatted emails or simply not show the embedded graphics. In that case, the email looks like very strange and I would think most people would simple simply delete it. One thought would be to send a plain text email with a link to a web site but also attach a PDF with an order form. That way, if someone can't connect to your site for some reason, they would still be able to print the PDF. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 3:11 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Advice on HTML emails & advertisements ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I need advice from the list as to your attitudes towards HTML emails that, when allowed, open up into a full graphic of sorts. The reason I ask is that I have an email list of about 2,500 previous survey participants and others who have received surveys, etc. I would like to do some test marketing with this list and promote the book that Larry and I wrote. However, my concern is how these are received both physically and psychologically, if at all, by most recipients on this list. Does your email client automatically block these types of emails, or are they perceived as spam by your current email program and put into a spam folder? Or, are you given a option or choice as to whether you open them or not based upon whether you know the sender? My second choice is designing a much simpler "flyer" in Word using basically a rich text format and using different type sizes and color, etc. and then including a very simple order form. Far less elegant, but I assume these would be opened almost automatically, once again assuming you knew who it was from per the "subject" line... i.e. "A special offer from Larry Hunt and John Stewart." As a simple example, I just highlighted the last line in red and made it both bold and italic. Did this come through as intended? Any help or advice would be appreciated. Thank you. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Oct 16 17:46:25 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Oct 16 17:47:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:FedEx Kinko's full page ad - 49 cent colorcopies - til ... Message-ID: In a message dated 10/16/2007 4:25:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jgross@techiowa.com writes: John Stewart, in looking at the 6500, have you considered throughput speeds for cover and coated cover? I was really surprised to find that my Cannon 3200 slowed waaay down when it ran these stocks. Does the 6500 also drop speed for these stocks? John, I am not the expert in this area... since my wife's shop has a 3220 and a KM500... there is of course a drop off in speed but I'm not prepared to say what it is. I suspect, if the pricing is right, we will soon be getting a KM6500 soon and then use the KM500 for backup. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt & John Stewart _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Tue Oct 16 18:18:37 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Tue Oct 16 18:14:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Advice on HTML emails & advertisements In-Reply-To: <20071016201457.7ABCDC0E139@rb.enter.net> References: <20071016201457.7ABCDC0E139@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Dear John, > I need advice from the list as to your attitudes towards HTML emails > that, > when allowed, open up into a full graphic of sorts..... > Does your email client automatically block these types of emails, No, blocked or bounced at the server level. > or are they perceived as spam by your current email program and put > into a spam folder? No, possible but not necessary (see below). > Or, are you given a option or choice as to whether you open them or > not based > upon whether you know the sender? No, possible but not necessary (see below). All of the above are not necessary in our company because we control the email server's filters. The last junk email I received (out of up to 100 per day and only 4 complaints from genuine senders since 2003 which are quickly and permanently resolved) was October 4, 2007. However, any picturesque email containing fancy graphics is not encouraged (except Morningstar!) > My second choice ..... How about just a link, in a plain text email from your well-known self, to the survey on your site? Then the truly interested will respond. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Tue Oct 16 18:27:58 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Tue Oct 16 18:24:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Advice on HTML emails & advertisements In-Reply-To: <20071016211632.9DA4EC0E4E0@rb.enter.net> References: <20071016211632.9DA4EC0E4E0@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: > per the "subject" line... i.e. "A special offer from Larry Hunt and > John > Stewart." As a simple example, I just highlighted the last line in > red and > made it both bold and italic. > ..... Did this come through as intended? No, that's probably because of this list's rules. P.S. and not about the same subject of John's proposed email survey form. I find it irritating when I'm prompted to download some attached files, one of which turns out to be just the fancy, 'artistic' signature line. This creates another unneccessary task of moving it to the trash. KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) wins. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From slb at inkspot.net Tue Oct 16 20:59:30 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Oct 16 20:59:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Advice on HTML emails & advertisements In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <47152632.27139.74E3D25@slb.inkspot.net> John, I have all the email clients here set to "plain text" mode. I'll look at an html attachment from a known source, but others get deleted. I find tagged text in the body of an email very annoying, but I'll read the text if I have a good reason to do so. For me, your best bet for a non-text email would be as some kind of file attachment. Again, I'll generally look if I know the source, but often not otherwise. Then again, I'm probably a lot more anal about security (from malware) than most (probably because I'm the one that has to spend the time to fix any IT problems...). YMMV, Steve > > I need advice from the list as to your attitudes towards HTML emails that, > when allowed, open up into a full graphic of sorts. > > The reason I ask is that I have an email list of about 2,500 previous survey > participants and others who have received surveys, etc. I would like to do > some test marketing with this list and promote the book that Larry and I wrote. > > However, my concern is how these are received both physically and > psychologically, if at all, by most recipients on this list. > > Does your email client automatically block these types of emails, or are > they perceived as spam by your current email program and put into a spam folder? > Or, are you given a option or choice as to whether you open them or not based > upon whether you know the sender? > > My second choice is designing a much simpler "flyer" in Word using basically > a rich text format and using different type sizes and color, etc. and then > including a very simple order form. Far less elegant, but I assume these would > be opened almost automatically, once again assuming you knew who it was from > per the "subject" line... i.e. "A special offer from Larry Hunt and John > Stewart." As a simple example, I just highlighted the last line in red and made > it both bold and italic. Did this come through as intended? > > Any help or advice would be appreciated. Thank you. > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2595 (20071016) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From ahavens at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 17 09:26:18 2007 From: ahavens at sbcglobal.net (Havens Printing and Copy Shop) Date: Wed Oct 17 09:24:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:FedEx -Changed to Throughput Speeds References: Message-ID: <000d01c810c1$4dbaf610$1a01a8c0@Leah> We have a Canon 3200 and a Xerox Work Center 75. When running cover stock the Canon slows down to about 16-20 pieces/minute to allow better fusing - the Xerox waits after you push start to allow the fuser to heat up to higher temp to allow better fusing at the same speed. Does that help answer the question(s)? Austin Havens, Owner Havens Printing & Copy Shop 200 N Main McPherson, KS 67460 620-241-5400 ahavens@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re:FedEx Kinko's full page ad - 49 cent colorcopies- til ... > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > In a message dated 10/16/2007 4:25:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > jgross@techiowa.com writes: > > John Stewart, in looking at the 6500, have you considered throughput > speeds > for cover and coated cover? > > I was really surprised to find that my Cannon 3200 slowed waaay down when > it > ran these stocks. Does the 6500 also drop speed for these stocks? > > > > John, > > I am not the expert in this area... since my wife's shop has a 3220 and a > KM500... there is of course a drop off in speed but I'm not prepared to > say what > it is. I suspect, if the pricing is right, we will soon be getting a > KM6500 > soon and then use the KM500 for backup. > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt > & > John Stewart > _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 > FAX 321-727-2166 > CELL: 321-794-6259 > > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From jgross at techiowa.com Wed Oct 17 09:38:31 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Wed Oct 17 09:39:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:FedEx -Changed to Throughput Speeds In-Reply-To: <000d01c810c1$4dbaf610$1a01a8c0@Leah> Message-ID: <004201c810c3$024395f0$1e00000a@tech.local> Thanks Austin. I have the rated speeds for my 3220. Does the 6500 have reduced output for heavier or glossy stock? John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Havens Printing and Copy Shop Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:26 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re:FedEx -Changed to Throughput Speeds ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have a Canon 3200 and a Xerox Work Center 75. When running cover stock the Canon slows down to about 16-20 pieces/minute to allow better fusing - the Xerox waits after you push start to allow the fuser to heat up to higher temp to allow better fusing at the same speed. Does that help answer the question(s)? Austin Havens, Owner Havens Printing & Copy Shop 200 N Main McPherson, KS 67460 620-241-5400 ahavens@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re:FedEx Kinko's full page ad - 49 cent colorcopies- til ... > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > In a message dated 10/16/2007 4:25:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > jgross@techiowa.com writes: > > John Stewart, in looking at the 6500, have you considered throughput > speeds > for cover and coated cover? > > I was really surprised to find that my Cannon 3200 slowed waaay down when > it > ran these stocks. Does the 6500 also drop speed for these stocks? > > > > John, > > I am not the expert in this area... since my wife's shop has a 3220 and a > KM500... there is of course a drop off in speed but I'm not prepared to > say what > it is. I suspect, if the pricing is right, we will soon be getting a > KM6500 > soon and then use the KM500 for backup. > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt > & > John Stewart > _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 > FAX 321-727-2166 > CELL: 321-794-6259 > > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed Oct 17 09:42:18 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed Oct 17 09:45:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:FedEx Kinko's full page ad - 49 cent colorcopies - til ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200710171345.l9HDj5nT079873@i2bnetworks.com> You will find this to be an excellent combination. This time, get the CREO. S. > I suspect, if the pricing is right, we will soon be getting a KM6500 >soon and then use the KM500 for backup. > >John Stewart _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From jdowning at libertygrouponline.com Wed Oct 17 14:21:14 2007 From: jdowning at libertygrouponline.com (Joy Downing) Date: Wed Oct 17 13:28:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] large banners Message-ID: <03f501c810ea$811492e0$1401a8c0@JOY2> I have a client that is needing 8 ft x 12 ft full color banners. They can be sewn together due to the large size. They are 2 sided. They also need to be "weighted" across the bottom. This is for an auditorium, so they do not want them to be affected by the air flow. They will also need some type of hanging device. Please contact me off line and I will have you deal directly with my client. Thank You. Joy Downing The Liberty Group Bowling Green. KY 42101 270-782-7829 jdowning@libertygrouponline.com From tim at schreurprinting.com Wed Oct 17 15:42:56 2007 From: tim at schreurprinting.com (Tim Schreur) Date: Wed Oct 17 15:43:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need help - Bright Silver card In-Reply-To: <20071017160004.5A479C10729@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Hello - I have a client looking for business cards printed on a bright silver card stock. This is not currency cover. It is a very shiny silver surface. Please advise. Thank you, ----------- Tim Schreur President Schreur Printing - Since 1946 "Our tradition is excellence, our technology is state of art" P 616-392-4405 F 616-392-4296 w www.schreurprinting.com From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Wed Oct 17 17:16:52 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Wed Oct 17 17:17:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] re: Pricing Plan Message-ID: I've been provided a pricing plan from Xerox on a 242 w/CREO just wanted to know if this pricing is in the general ballpark out there. If anyone can check this please let me know. 36 month lease $1500. Base Maintenance included # of copies/prints included Color Charge $0.059 B/W Charge $0.0129 Supplies included Thank you in advance. Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From greg at ajprinting.com Wed Oct 17 17:25:39 2007 From: greg at ajprinting.com (Greg Johnston) Date: Wed Oct 17 17:26:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] re: Pricing Plan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071017142505.03568928@ajprinting.com> Subscribe to Larry Hunt's newsletter . That's the ticket when it comes to copiers At 02:16 PM 10/17/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I've been provided a pricing plan from Xerox on a 242 w/CREO just wanted to >know if this pricing is in the general ballpark out there. If anyone can >check this please let me know. > > >36 month lease $1500. >Base Maintenance included ># of copies/prints included >Color Charge $0.059 >B/W Charge $0.0129 >Supplies included > > >Thank you in advance. > >Tommy Melendez > >Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. >3612 E. Tremont Avenue >Bronx, N.Y. 10465 >NAQP Member #1031539 >718.904.7760 >718.892.2315 Fax >_www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) > > > > >************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners Greg Johnston AJ Printing & Graphics 1350 Central Ave #1 Santa Rosa CA 95401 707.525.8600 Fax 707.525.8923 www.ajprinting.com e-mail: greg@ajprinting.com Ask me about how I can help you build your business with our direct mailing services for your marketing needs Authorized Adobe Service Provider Quark Authorized Output Provider From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Oct 17 17:20:34 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Oct 17 17:27:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] re: Pricing Plan Message-ID: In a message dated 10/17/2007 5:18:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, VillagePrinting1@aol.com writes: I've been provided a pricing plan from Xerox on a 242 w/CREO just wanted to know if this pricing is in the general ballpark out there. If anyone can check this please let me know. 36 month lease $1500. Base Maintenance included # of copies/prints included Color Charge $0.059 B/W Charge $0.0129 Supplies included I would want to know outright purchase price as well as the type of lease it is... capital lease with $1 buyout or operating lease with fair market value at end and what that would be? John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt & John Stewart _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From char at themasterspress.com Wed Oct 17 17:26:12 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Wed Oct 17 17:29:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] re: Pricing Plan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <010201c81104$5d416f90$0b01a8c0@CharXP> What do you mean #of copies/prints included. Is that an unlimited amount for $1500. :-) ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of VillagePrinting1@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:17 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] re: Pricing Plan ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I've been provided a pricing plan from Xerox on a 242 w/CREO just wanted to know if this pricing is in the general ballpark out there. If anyone can check this please let me know. 36 month lease $1500. Base Maintenance included # of copies/prints included Color Charge $0.059 B/W Charge $0.0129 Supplies included Thank you in advance. Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From craig at sutterprinting.com Wed Oct 17 17:30:53 2007 From: craig at sutterprinting.com (Craig Baise) Date: Wed Oct 17 17:32:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] re: Pricing Plan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: How many color copies included with the base maintenance or do you pay for every click? It has been my experience with Xerox that if you cannot find the trick in the proposal it is simply because you do not understand it. It is always something other than they tell you or than it appears - be careful. On 10/17/07 2:16 PM, "VillagePrinting1@aol.com" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I've been provided a pricing plan from Xerox on a 242 w/CREO just wanted to > know if this pricing is in the general ballpark out there. If anyone can > check this please let me know. > > > 36 month lease $1500. > Base Maintenance included > # of copies/prints included > Color Charge $0.059 > B/W Charge $0.0129 > Supplies included > > > Thank you in advance. > > Tommy Melendez > > Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. > 3612 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > NAQP Member #1031539 > 718.904.7760 > 718.892.2315 Fax > _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Craig C. Baise Sutter Printing 916.446.0167 office www.sutterprinting.com From rsmith at smithprintinginc.com Wed Oct 17 17:39:54 2007 From: rsmith at smithprintinginc.com (Randy Smith) Date: Wed Oct 17 17:32:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Four Color Process Post It Notes Message-ID: <005701c81106$41a5a5b0$418c10ac@SMITHPRINT.local> Any one have a vendor that you'd recommend to print a 4" x 6" Post It Notes in 4/0 process color. The quantity is 500 pads of 50 per pad. Thanks, Randy Smith Smith Printing, Inc Leeds, AL 35094 Office: 205.699.2284 Fax: 205.699.8660 From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Wed Oct 17 17:44:02 2007 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Wed Oct 17 17:42:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] re: Pricing Plan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48E3143D-F5D7-4046-AB77-814243C81C8D@falconprintandcopy.com> There's a lot of gray area here for trade-in, lease terms, and add- ons. But, I'm looking at a 242 with the built in fiery rip, professional finisher, and booklet maker, just for back-up, but I was quoted $604 for the machine, and $169 for the RIP, on a 60 mo, FMV lease. I'm also trading in my Imagerunner 550. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com On Oct 17, 2007, at 5:16 PM, VillagePrinting1@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I've been provided a pricing plan from Xerox on a 242 w/CREO just > wanted to > know if this pricing is in the general ballpark out there. If > anyone can > check this please let me know. > > > 36 month lease $1500. > Base Maintenance included > # of copies/prints included > Color Charge $0.059 > B/W Charge $0.0129 > Supplies included > > > Thank you in advance. > > Tommy Melendez > > Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. > 3612 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > NAQP Member #1031539 > 718.904.7760 > 718.892.2315 Fax > _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http:// > www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Oct 17 17:55:38 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Oct 17 17:56:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] re: Pricing Plan In-Reply-To: <48E3143D-F5D7-4046-AB77-814243C81C8D@falconprintandcopy.com> References: <48E3143D-F5D7-4046-AB77-814243C81C8D@falconprintandcopy.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0710171455u67ca9b36v1874afe8bd46005d@mail.gmail.com> On 10/17/07, Borzou Azabdaftari wrote: > > I'm looking at a 242 with the built in fiery rip, > professional finisher, and booklet maker, just for back-up, but I was > quoted $604 for the machine, and $169 for the RIP, on a 60 mo, FMV > lease. Just a thought, but 60 months, to me, is a scary length of time to over which to amortize the cost of almost any piece of digital equipment, most notably a color box. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Wed Oct 17 18:09:39 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Wed Oct 17 18:11:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] re: Pricing Plan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is that with a trade or without? To make a good comparison, find out the price of the machine rather than the lease payment. How are 11x17 clicks counted? Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of VillagePrinting1@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:17 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] re: Pricing Plan ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I've been provided a pricing plan from Xerox on a 242 w/CREO just wanted to know if this pricing is in the general ballpark out there. If anyone can check this please let me know. 36 month lease $1500. Base Maintenance included # of copies/prints included Color Charge $0.059 B/W Charge $0.0129 Supplies included Thank you in advance. Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From char at themasterspress.com Wed Oct 17 18:36:16 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Wed Oct 17 18:38:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] re: Pricing Plan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <012d01c8110e$215f57d0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> John that would normally be the first question I would ask also but Xerox has us by the neck. If we don't lease from them, they go up on the click charges. They want that money they get from leasing. You usually end up paying more also for cash. But my experience in the past, they have always had very good lease rates and better or as good as I could get anywhere else. I hate leasing. But..... if I got a Xerox I would probably be leasing from them. Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:21 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] re: Pricing Plan ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 10/17/2007 5:18:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, VillagePrinting1@aol.com writes: I've been provided a pricing plan from Xerox on a 242 w/CREO just wanted to know if this pricing is in the general ballpark out there. If anyone can check this please let me know. 36 month lease $1500. Base Maintenance included # of copies/prints included Color Charge $0.059 B/W Charge $0.0129 Supplies included I would want to know outright purchase price as well as the type of lease it is... capital lease with $1 buyout or operating lease with fair market value at end and what that would be? John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt & John Stewart _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dvmonto at optonline.net Wed Oct 17 18:39:47 2007 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Wed Oct 17 18:40:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] re: Pricing Plan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What is included with the machine as far as finishing? Stating $1500 with creo is not very helpful. Is there any high capacity feeders? Finishing? Just the DocuColor 242 printer - $683.57/month for 36 month. Does not include any add-ons. What is included with the CREO? $532.83/month for 36 month. FTA-Control Station? $141.44/month for 36 FTB-Creo Professional? $300.55/month for 36. .059 is good for the color but b&w should be around .0084/copy. I agree with others. Fax proposal to Larry Hunt. -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with anybody that stands right, stand with him while he is right, and part with him when he goes wrong. - -- Abraham Lincoln On 10/17/07 5:16 PM, "VillagePrinting1@aol.com" wrote: > I've been provided a pricing plan from Xerox on a 242 w/CREO just wanted to > know if this pricing is in the general ballpark out there. If anyone can > check this please let me know. > > > 36 month lease $1500. > Base Maintenance included > # of copies/prints included > Color Charge $0.059 > B/W Charge $0.0129 > Supplies included > > From kevin at abfprints.com Wed Oct 17 18:46:53 2007 From: kevin at abfprints.com (Kevin Danko) Date: Wed Oct 17 18:50:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Four Color Process Post It Notes In-Reply-To: <005701c81106$41a5a5b0$418c10ac@SMITHPRINT.local> References: <005701c81106$41a5a5b0$418c10ac@SMITHPRINT.local> Message-ID: <013001c8110f$9d2999b0$1700a8c0@abf.local> Try Ennis Kevin Danko Advantage Business Forms 102 N. Riverside Ave. Rialto, CA 92376 Phone: (909) 875-7163 Fax: (909) 875-7971 www.abfprints.com E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Randy Smith Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 2:40 PM To: 'PrintOwners' Subject: [PrintOwners] Four Color Process Post It Notes ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Any one have a vendor that you'd recommend to print a 4" x 6" Post It Notes in 4/0 process color. The quantity is 500 pads of 50 per pad. Thanks, Randy Smith Smith Printing, Inc Leeds, AL 35094 Office: 205.699.2284 Fax: 205.699.8660 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From info at desktopsxm.com Wed Oct 17 18:56:42 2007 From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint) Date: Wed Oct 17 18:56:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Four Color Process Post It Notes In-Reply-To: <005701c81106$41a5a5b0$418c10ac@SMITHPRINT.local> References: <005701c81106$41a5a5b0$418c10ac@SMITHPRINT.local> Message-ID: <3D410D3D-004E-4CEE-8D4B-3327FB57D42C@desktopsxm.com> go to www.3mpromote.com and you can become a dealer yourself and sell direct to the enduser Joel Brint Desktop Imaging St. Maarten Tel 542-4044 fax 543-1100 "The Printshop with a Difference" On Oct 17, 2007, at 5:39 PM, Randy Smith wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Any one have a vendor that you'd recommend to print a 4" x 6" Post > It Notes > in 4/0 process color. The quantity is 500 pads of 50 per pad. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Randy Smith > > Smith Printing, Inc > > Leeds, AL 35094 > > Office: 205.699.2284 > > Fax: 205.699.8660 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From mike at arborprinting.com Wed Oct 17 19:01:49 2007 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Wed Oct 17 19:04:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Four Color Process Post It Notes References: <005701c81106$41a5a5b0$418c10ac@SMITHPRINT.local> <013001c8110f$9d2999b0$1700a8c0@abf.local> Message-ID: <01d101c81111$b361dab0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Bic Graphics (The Bic pen people) They usually have specials going on for 4cp post-its. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com mike@arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Danko" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 5:46 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Four Color Process Post It Notes > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Try Ennis > > Kevin Danko > Advantage Business Forms > 102 N. Riverside Ave. > Rialto, CA 92376 > Phone: (909) 875-7163 > Fax: (909) 875-7971 > www.abfprints.com > E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Randy Smith > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 2:40 PM > To: 'PrintOwners' > Subject: [PrintOwners] Four Color Process Post It Notes > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Any one have a vendor that you'd recommend to print a 4" x 6" Post It > Notes > in 4/0 process color. The quantity is 500 pads of 50 per pad. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Randy Smith > > Smith Printing, Inc > > Leeds, AL 35094 > > Office: 205.699.2284 > > Fax: 205.699.8660 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From zapit at zapcolor.com Wed Oct 17 19:20:50 2007 From: zapit at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez) Date: Wed Oct 17 19:26:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 260 lease pricing In-Reply-To: <20071017214300.5FDD6C115B9@rb.enter.net> References: <20071017214300.5FDD6C115B9@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: I'll preface this by saying yes we subscribe to Larry's newsletters. We have a group of 4 shops in SoCal looking at pricing for the 260 with Fiery's. If you have a current, 5 year pricing from Xerox, if you could please share, I would appreciate it. Also if you have the 5 year fixed copy price (seems like .0649 here) as well. Thanks PS If anyone else would like to join us, let me know as well. > Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Oct 17 19:26:23 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Oct 17 19:26:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] re: Pricing Plan Message-ID: In a message dated 10/17/2007 6:39:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, char@themasterspress.com writes: John that would normally be the first question I would ask also but Xerox has us by the neck. If we don't lease from them, they go up on the click charges. They want that money they get from leasing. You usually end up paying more also for cash. In order to properly calculate a lease rate, you still need to know the purchase price, number of payments made in advance, number of months/years it is financed, and an estimate of the FMV at the end of the lease. It may very well be true that their purchase price is higher and also their per copy click charge but if that is the case then thank God these days we have alternatives. No company dominates the market anymore, and I suspect (the next 4C survey which is in the mail today) the next survey will show a substantial increase in market share by KM. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt & John Stewart _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From sgfinke at fuse.net Wed Oct 17 19:39:06 2007 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Wed Oct 17 19:27:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] re: Pricing Plan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3345C69A-3448-4867-941F-DA16956BEC71@fuse.net> Definitely find the price of the machine. One copier salesman we spoke to gave us a very good purchase price, and we scared him by considering it. He didn't expect anyone to BUY one (he was used to corporate clients) and I think he just pulled the price out of the air. The payments over the life of a short loan would have been much less than the lease payments (BTW: they often are). We decided not to go with them because we didn't think the maintenance would be good, but if we had bought we would have held them to that price, and it would have been a great deal. Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On Oct 17, 2007, at 6:09 PM, Mark Lake wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Is that with a trade or without? To make a good comparison, find > out the > price of the machine rather than the lease payment. How are 11x17 > clicks > counted? > > > Mark Lake > PIP Printing > 368 Jefferson Street > Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 > 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax > www.pipsturgeonbay.com > Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com > > To send a file to us, please use the link below > http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of > VillagePrinting1@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:17 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] re: Pricing Plan > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I've been provided a pricing plan from Xerox on a 242 w/CREO just > wanted to > know if this pricing is in the general ballpark out there. If > anyone can > check this please let me know. > > > 36 month lease $1500. > Base Maintenance included > # of copies/prints included > Color Charge $0.059 > B/W Charge $0.0129 > Supplies included > > > Thank you in advance. > > Tommy Melendez > > Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. > 3612 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > NAQP Member #1031539 > 718.904.7760 > 718.892.2315 Fax > _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http:// > www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From bherion at bucksdigital.com Thu Oct 18 09:07:16 2007 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Thu Oct 18 09:20:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Job Descriptions Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071018090650.0332fbf8@bucksdigital.com> If anyone would be kind enough to send me their job descriptions for: Pre-Press Manager and Pre-Press Technician, I would be very grateful. Thanks in advance, Bob Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From jgross at techiowa.com Thu Oct 18 09:48:41 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Thu Oct 18 09:49:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] re: Pricing Plan In-Reply-To: <012d01c8110e$215f57d0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <003601c8118d$98332a10$1e00000a@tech.local> Charlene, I have found over the years that Xerox has about 7 different prices and I could always get down to level 5 or 6 without too much difficulty. Level 7 was the district sales managers authorization. It's your money so, with the options you have you should have them by the neck. Who is the Boss Charlene - you are. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 5:36 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] re: Pricing Plan ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** John that would normally be the first question I would ask also but Xerox has us by the neck. If we don't lease from them, they go up on the click charges. They want that money they get from leasing. You usually end up paying more also for cash. But my experience in the past, they have always had very good lease rates and better or as good as I could get anywhere else. I hate leasing. But..... if I got a Xerox I would probably be leasing from them. Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:21 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] re: Pricing Plan ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 10/17/2007 5:18:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, VillagePrinting1@aol.com writes: I've been provided a pricing plan from Xerox on a 242 w/CREO just wanted to know if this pricing is in the general ballpark out there. If anyone can check this please let me know. 36 month lease $1500. Base Maintenance included # of copies/prints included Color Charge $0.059 B/W Charge $0.0129 Supplies included I would want to know outright purchase price as well as the type of lease it is... capital lease with $1 buyout or operating lease with fair market value at end and what that would be? John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt & John Stewart _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From rstor at copycats.com Thu Oct 18 10:08:17 2007 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Thu Oct 18 10:10:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 20# bond prices Message-ID: <471768D1.9020802@copycats.com> I am trying to get a feel for the current cost of 20# white We purchase about 12-15 skids of 20# white at a time from Xerox. They store the paper and send it to us one skid at a time, as we need it. The price I am being quoted is $1,025 per skid, and I am not sure how that compares to what is going on out there. Any input appreciated. Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com From dominick at fmtc.com Thu Oct 18 10:23:02 2007 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Thu Oct 18 10:23:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 20# bond prices In-Reply-To: <471768D1.9020802@copycats.com> References: <471768D1.9020802@copycats.com> Message-ID: <47176C46.5010606@fmtc.com> So that's $2.56 a ream. Might want to switch brands. I just bought 10 cases of Boise bond for $2.39 ream., and have 50 more cases on back order. However, I was quoted 2.75 for US Office brand, in 400 ream lots only. Just like fuel, paper prices are all over the place. Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! Robert Stor wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am trying to get a feel for the current cost of 20# white > > We purchase about 12-15 skids of 20# white at a time from Xerox. They > store the paper and send it to us one skid at a time, as we need it. > > The price I am being quoted is $1,025 per skid, and I am not sure how > that compares to what is going on out there. > > Any input appreciated. > > Regards, > Bob Stor > Copycats > New York, NY > 212-557-2111 x20 > www.copycats.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Thu Oct 18 10:47:41 2007 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Thu Oct 18 10:46:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 20# bond prices In-Reply-To: <47176C46.5010606@fmtc.com> References: <471768D1.9020802@copycats.com> <47176C46.5010606@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <1A95AB54-8DDB-482F-AC97-B83D26AC13D2@falconprintandcopy.com> I have a shady guy who sells me paper, but I pay $2.00 a ream for 30% Recycled Navigator. I don't know how long its going to last, but its been working well for over a year. Average around here is $2.30- $2.50 a ream, if you're buying a case at a time. I'd expect to see $2.10-$2.20 if I were buys a skid at a time. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com On Oct 18, 2007, at 10:23 AM, Dominick's Printing wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > So that's $2.56 a ream. Might want to switch brands. I just bought > 10 cases of Boise bond for $2.39 ream., and have 50 more cases on > back order. > > However, I was quoted 2.75 for US Office brand, in 400 ream lots only. > > Just like fuel, paper prices are all over the place. > > Joe Dominick > > Dominick's Quality Printing > 542 W. Idaho Avenue > Ontario Oregon 97914 > 541.881.1121 > Fax 541.881.1599 > > www.dominicksprinting.com > dominick@fmtc.com > > Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider > Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! > > Robert Stor wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I am trying to get a feel for the current cost of 20# white >> >> We purchase about 12-15 skids of 20# white at a time from Xerox. >> They store the paper and send it to us one skid at a time, as we >> need it. >> >> The price I am being quoted is $1,025 per skid, and I am not sure >> how that compares to what is going on out there. >> >> Any input appreciated. >> >> Regards, >> Bob Stor >> Copycats >> New York, NY >> 212-557-2111 x20 >> www.copycats.com >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From k_graham at hotmail.com Thu Oct 18 10:53:32 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Thu Oct 18 10:54:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need help - Bright Silver card References: Message-ID: I've have some Chrome Polyester Mactac or adhesive back product with no back slits on the shelf. It might be mistaken as a business card, or you could advise of its dual use. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 Dawson Creek BC Canada V1G 2G5 250-782-7108 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Schreur" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:42 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Need help - Bright Silver card > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello - > I have a client looking for business cards printed > on a bright silver card stock. This is not currency cover. > It is a very shiny silver surface. Please advise. > > Thank you, > ----------- > Tim Schreur > President > Schreur Printing - Since 1946 > "Our tradition is excellence, our technology is state of art" > P 616-392-4405 > F 616-392-4296 > w www.schreurprinting.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From margaret at designotype.com Thu Oct 18 09:27:43 2007 From: margaret at designotype.com (margaret@designotype.com) Date: Thu Oct 18 11:02:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] graduation announcements Message-ID: <53033.192.168.1.71.1192714063.webmail@192.168.1.71> does anyone print grad announcements or have a GREAT vendor? (we have used carlson craft for the last 5 years and they have turned that portion over to someone else). our typical order is a custom silver and blue foil with custom school logo, qty. 4000-5000. plus all the accessories. discount order date is already gone by (with no notice to us) for new vendor and their policies are very rigid. margaret Designotype Printers, Inc. 906-482-2424 906-482-2266 fax We are the only printer in the 4 county area that provides a written Per4mance Pledge ensuring that you are completely satisfied with projects printed at Designotype Printers, Inc. From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Thu Oct 18 11:16:48 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Thu Oct 18 11:13:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pricing Plan In-Reply-To: <20071018145423.A32BAC13951@rb.enter.net> References: <20071018145423.A32BAC13951@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: > They want that money they get from leasing. You usually end up > paying more also for cash. That's not our experience from KM. It was cheaper for us to pay cash and borrow the money rather than lease the machine. We also retain ownership of the machine with the advantage of us, not the lessor, controlling the disposition at the end of the loan or even selling it beforehand. Acquisition costs are independent from 'click' charges. > ..... The payments over the life of a short loan would have been much > less than the lease payments (BTW: they often are). Our bank is also more friendly than any leasing company we've read about. We just made sure that the economic, not mechanical, life of the machine was longer than the loan period. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From kellycrom at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 11:12:43 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Thu Oct 18 11:13:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need help - Bright Silver card In-Reply-To: References: <20071017160004.5A479C10729@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <016801c81199$563c73d0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> It is probably something like silver Cadillac Cover by Decorated Papers. It is a pyroxylin(sp?) coated stock that needs to be printed with TuffTex type inks. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tim Schreur > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 2:43 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Need help - Bright Silver card > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello - > I have a client looking for business cards printed > on a bright silver card stock. This is not currency cover. > It is a very shiny silver surface. Please advise. > > Thank you, > ----------- > Tim Schreur > President > Schreur Printing - Since 1946 > "Our tradition is excellence, our technology is state of art" > P 616-392-4405 > F 616-392-4296 > w www.schreurprinting.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From k_graham at hotmail.com Thu Oct 18 11:17:25 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Thu Oct 18 11:18:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ikon cpp500 - Konica Minolta 500 - fuser problems - re lawsuit References: <003601c8118d$98332a10$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: My small claims court case for above unit Ikon CPP500 is due for end of month. While primary complaint was color issues due to lack of patch provided, required for unit to work with glossy toner, I note many have complained of fuser issues here. We also had a fuser replacement required within the first 50,000 copies so I am considering using that issue as well. As well I will be presenting the case they had left a previous machine up to 390% past due on maintenance and therefore can not be trusted to a maintenance contract, in my opinion. I know some or someone here even had a spare fuser provided. I would prefer this information be provided on a public forum http://groups.google.com/group/ColorCopier?hl=en where I have requested dialogue. However if you are willing to provide email which I could use in court but you don't want on the above site please email me directly. I've been told if you phrase your comments with "in my opinion" it should not be construed as defamation as it is your opinion - others are allowed to differ. Also people with wonderful success with 500 are welcome to post - I feel this shows those with good service techs may not have a problem or at least their machines were fixed in a timely matter. Thanks, Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 Dawson Creek BC Canada V1G 2G5 From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu Oct 18 11:36:54 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu Oct 18 11:37:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ikon cpp500 - Konica Minolta 500 - fuser problems - re laws... Message-ID: In a message dated 10/18/2007 11:19:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, k_graham@hotmail.com writes: I know some or someone here even had a spare fuser provided. I would prefer this information be provided on a public forum We have been provided a spare fuser unit and instructed on changing it out. The primary purpose is to avoid the grooves that work into the fuser rollers when running significant amounts of 11" wide stock, and then having to switch over to 12" stock. The grooving or marking of the fuser roller is a known defect and at present switching out the fuser units is probably the best choice available. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt & John Stewart _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From slb at inkspot.net Thu Oct 18 11:46:53 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu Oct 18 11:47:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pricing Plan In-Reply-To: References: <20071018145423.A32BAC13951@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <471747AD.7772.FA107AC@slb.inkspot.net> Yes, KM was just as happy to sell us the machine as to lease it. Xerox, however, quoted lower click charges for a leased machine than for a purchased machine. Larry Hunt's reports seem to indicate that this is standard practice. Steve > > > They want that money they get from leasing. You usually end up > > paying more also for cash. > That's not our experience from KM. It was cheaper for us to pay cash > and borrow the money rather than lease the machine. We also retain > ownership of the machine with the advantage of us, not the lessor, > controlling the disposition at the end of the loan or even selling it > beforehand. Acquisition costs are independent from 'click' charges. > > > ..... The payments over the life of a short loan would have been much > > less than the lease payments (BTW: they often are). > Our bank is also more friendly than any leasing company we've read > about. We just made sure that the economic, not mechanical, life of the > machine was longer than the loan period. > > > Please reply to Simon Sheers at: > > > Sheer Graphics Inc. > 47 Chestnut Avenue, > Westmont, IL 60559-1127 > Tel: (630) 654-4422 > > Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2599 (20071017) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From char at themasterspress.com Thu Oct 18 11:54:32 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Thu Oct 18 11:57:35 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ikon cpp500 - Konica Minolta 500 - fuser problems -re laws... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01f001c8119f$3156bf20$0b01a8c0@CharXP> I have been provided the same fuser unit to change out from 11 x 17 to 12 x 18 and instructed how to change it out so we don't have to have a service man do it. It saves them fuser units and saves me incredible time. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 10:37 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Ikon cpp500 - Konica Minolta 500 - fuser problems -re laws... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 10/18/2007 11:19:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, k_graham@hotmail.com writes: I know some or someone here even had a spare fuser provided. I would prefer this information be provided on a public forum We have been provided a spare fuser unit and instructed on changing it out. The primary purpose is to avoid the grooves that work into the fuser rollers when running significant amounts of 11" wide stock, and then having to switch over to 12" stock. The grooving or marking of the fuser roller is a known defect and at present switching out the fuser units is probably the best choice available. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt & John Stewart _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Thu Oct 18 12:05:01 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Thu Oct 18 12:08:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ikon cpp500 - Konica Minolta 500 - fuser problems - re lawsuit In-Reply-To: References: <003601c8118d$98332a10$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: <200710181608.l9IG86t1011415@i2bnetworks.com> Andy, For the Record: I have both a C500/CREO that has been in operation for approximately 16 months and has over 2,000,000 clicks on it. and, a C6500/CREO which has been in operation for approximately 5 weeks and has over 200,000 clicks on it. Over 80% of these clicks are color. They have both been maintained in excellent shape by Konica Minolta Corporate in San Diego and have been extremely productive and profitable to operate. We have experienced none of the problems that you have mentioned and have been extremely pleased with the technology which has added tremendous benefit to my clients, and therefore tremendous value to my business. I understand this technology reasonably well, and it is my opinion that the key to the successful deployment of this technology lies in the capability and training of the service staff. Without competent service personnel, this equipment will not function properly and therefore will cause harm to the potential profitability of you business. It is also my opinion that if it can work for me, it should work for you since the technology that you and I both own comes from the same source manufacturer. I wish you luck in your court case. I hope it does not redirect to much of your energy that would be better spent on growing and improving the profitability of your business. S. At 08:17 AM 10/18/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >My small claims court case for above unit Ikon CPP500 is due for end of month. > >While primary complaint was color issues due to lack of patch >provided, required for unit to work with glossy toner, I note many >have complained of fuser issues here. > >We also had a fuser replacement required within the first 50,000 >copies so I am considering using that issue as well. > >As well I will be presenting the case they had left a previous >machine up to 390% past due on maintenance and therefore can not be >trusted to a maintenance contract, in my opinion. > >I know some or someone here even had a spare fuser provided. I >would prefer this information be provided on a public forum > >http://groups.google.com/group/ColorCopier?hl=en where I have >requested dialogue. > >However if you are willing to provide email which I could use in >court but you don't want on the above site please email me directly. >I've been told if you phrase your comments with "in my opinion" it >should not be construed as defamation as it is your opinion - others >are allowed to differ. > >Also people with wonderful success with 500 are welcome to post - I >feel this shows those with good service techs may not have a problem >or at least their machines were fixed in a timely matter. > >Thanks, > >Ken Graham >CommunityPrinters.com >250-782-7108 >Dawson Creek BC Canada >V1G 2G5 > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2601 (20071018) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Thu Oct 18 12:38:27 2007 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Thu Oct 18 12:39:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need help - Bright Silver card In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <755231E8-BADF-4BD8-96B3-5AC9EC3FED2F@bellsouth.net> Tim, I happen to have 100 sheets of 13pt. Kromkote Silver Foil stock, size 40" x 26". Back side is uncoated white. There is no brighter silver than this... looks like a mirror... This is here due to an accidental duplicate order.... Let me know if you are interested in it... Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Oct 18, 2007, at 10:53 AM, wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I've have some Chrome Polyester Mactac or adhesive back product > with no back slits on the shelf. > > It might be mistaken as a business card, or you could advise of its > dual use. > > Ken Graham > CommunityPrinters.com > 250-782-7108 > Dawson Creek BC Canada > V1G 2G5 > > 250-782-7108 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Schreur" > > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:42 PM > Subject: [PrintOwners] Need help - Bright Silver card > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Hello - >> I have a client looking for business cards printed >> on a bright silver card stock. This is not currency cover. >> It is a very shiny silver surface. Please advise. >> >> Thank you, >> ----------- >> Tim Schreur >> President >> Schreur Printing - Since 1946 >> "Our tradition is excellence, our technology is state of art" >> P 616-392-4405 >> F 616-392-4296 >> w www.schreurprinting.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From zapit at zapcolor.com Thu Oct 18 12:34:34 2007 From: zapit at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez) Date: Thu Oct 18 12:40:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] off: Corona on TV tonight - West Coast Customs In-Reply-To: <20071018160003.88193C13D94@rb.enter.net> References: <20071018160003.88193C13D94@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: I have not had time to post the new photos of our "Flamed out" Prius delivery vehicle, but West Coast Customs, formerly of Pimp My Ride fame has the 2nd episode of their new show, Street Customs on tonight, TLC at 9;00 or 10:00 pm , depending on your area. There are only 6 episodes so far, and suppossedly I'm in the next week's one, but most likely on the cutting room floor, but Corona is shown as they do some local shots. > Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com From greg at ajprinting.com Thu Oct 18 12:41:11 2007 From: greg at ajprinting.com (Greg Johnston) Date: Thu Oct 18 12:41:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 20# bond prices In-Reply-To: <471768D1.9020802@copycats.com> References: <471768D1.9020802@copycats.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071018094010.03506280@ajprinting.com> That's $25.63 a case and I can buy it all day out here for $25 a case. I'd renegotiate if your buying that much. At 07:08 AM 10/18/2007, Robert Stor wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I am trying to get a feel for the current cost of 20# white > >We purchase about 12-15 skids of 20# white at a time from Xerox. >They store the paper and send it to us one skid at a time, as we need it. > >The price I am being quoted is $1,025 per skid, and I am not sure >how that compares to what is going on out there. > >Any input appreciated. > >Regards, >Bob Stor >Copycats >New York, NY >212-557-2111 x20 >www.copycats.com >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners Greg Johnston AJ Printing & Graphics 1350 Central Ave #1 Santa Rosa CA 95401 707.525.8600 Fax 707.525.8923 www.ajprinting.com e-mail: greg@ajprinting.com Ask me about how I can help you build your business with our direct mailing services for your marketing needs Authorized Adobe Service Provider Quark Authorized Output Provider From villageprinting1 at aol.com Thu Oct 18 13:02:05 2007 From: villageprinting1 at aol.com (villageprinting1@aol.com) Date: Thu Oct 18 13:03:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 20# bond prices In-Reply-To: <471768D1.9020802@copycats.com> References: <471768D1.9020802@copycats.com> Message-ID: <8C9DFBFBEDF546F-49C-97AC@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com> I can only purchase 10 cartons at a time due to lack of space here.? We get Multi-Copy 101 Brightness for $31.00 per carton (5000).? I feel buy using better quality paper, jams are almost non existent.? But if your pre-purchasing that much paper you should be getting a better rate.? Unless they are incorporating storgae fee's into their price. Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax www.printing-n-graphics.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stor To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:08 am Subject: [PrintOwners] 20# bond prices ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? I am trying to get a feel for the current cost of 20# white? ? We purchase about 12-15 skids of 20# white at a time from Xerox. They store the paper and send it to us one skid at a time, as we need it.? ? The price I am being quoted is $1,025 per skid, and I am not sure how that compares to what is going on out there.? ? Any input appreciated.? ? Regards,? Bob Stor? Copycats? New York, NY? 212-557-2111 x20? www.copycats.com? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From rstor at copycats.com Thu Oct 18 13:11:23 2007 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Thu Oct 18 13:13:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 20# bond prices In-Reply-To: <8C9DFBFBEDF546F-49C-97AC@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com> References: <471768D1.9020802@copycats.com> <8C9DFBFBEDF546F-49C-97AC@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <471793BB.9040601@copycats.com> Tommy, The price includes storage and delivery on as-needed basis. I just spoke to my main merchant who quoted me $27/skid and told me to grab the offer from Xerox. It looks like cost is dependent on the geography. In NYC we seem to be paying more than elsewhere Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com villageprinting1@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I can only purchase 10 cartons at a time due to lack of space here.? We get Multi-Copy 101 Brightness for $31.00 per carton (5000).? I feel buy using better quality paper, jams are almost non existent.? But if your pre-purchasing that much paper you should be getting a better rate.? Unless they are incorporating storgae fee's into their price. > > Tommy Melendez > > > Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. > 3612 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > NAQP Member #1031539 > 718.904.7760 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.printing-n-graphics.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Stor > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Sent: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:08 am > Subject: [PrintOwners] 20# bond prices > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? > ? > I am trying to get a feel for the current cost of 20# white? > ? > We purchase about 12-15 skids of 20# white at a time from Xerox. They store the paper and send it to us one skid at a time, as we need it.? > ? > The price I am being quoted is $1,025 per skid, and I am not sure how that compares to what is going on out there.? > ? > Any input appreciated.? > ? > Regards,? > Bob Stor? > Copycats? > New York, NY? > 212-557-2111 x20? > www.copycats.com? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? > ? > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From championprinting at yahoo.com Thu Oct 18 13:32:38 2007 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Thu Oct 18 13:33:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 20# bond prices Message-ID: <154625.7889.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> We've had good luck with Report (made in Brazil). It's very white, dust free has a smooth cut. Our price was just increased to $31.50 per case. I've not seen any other 20# quite as good but if any of you have used it and switched, I'd like to know to what & why. Or are any of you using Report and paying significantly less? FYI, we usually buy only 1 to 4 cases at a time. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Robert Stor To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 10:08:17 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] 20# bond prices ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I am trying to get a feel for the current cost of 20# white We purchase about 12-15 skids of 20# white at a time from Xerox. They store the paper and send it to us one skid at a time, as we need it. The price I am being quoted is $1,025 per skid, and I am not sure how that compares to what is going on out there. Any input appreciated. Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com From swiftyprinting at mac.com Thu Oct 18 13:33:48 2007 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Thu Oct 18 13:34:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 20# bond prices In-Reply-To: <471793BB.9040601@copycats.com> References: <471768D1.9020802@copycats.com> <8C9DFBFBEDF546F-49C-97AC@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com> <471793BB.9040601@copycats.com> Message-ID: >> ? >> I am trying to get a feel for the current cost of 20# white? We currently pay $26.49 per case if we pick up (it is no problem since it is less than a 5 mile drive). If we want it delivered there is a $30 minimum to a $50 maximum delivery charg. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com From villageprinting1 at aol.com Thu Oct 18 13:42:33 2007 From: villageprinting1 at aol.com (villageprinting1@aol.com) Date: Thu Oct 18 13:43:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 20# bond prices In-Reply-To: <471793BB.9040601@copycats.com> References: <471768D1.9020802@copycats.com> <8C9DFBFBEDF546F-49C-97AC@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com> <471793BB.9040601@copycats.com> Message-ID: <8C9DFC5661E9C29-49C-9A78@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com> Alright, so storage is incorporated into the price.? I guess that is not too bad considering someone like myself can't store to much myself.? Tommy -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stor To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 1:11 pm Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] 20# bond prices ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? Tommy,? ? The price includes storage and delivery on as-needed basis. I just spoke to my main merchant who quoted me $27/skid and told me to grab the offer from Xerox.? ? It looks like cost is dependent on the geography. In NYC we seem to be paying more than elsewhere? ? Bob Stor? Copycats? New York, NY? 212-557-2111 x20? www.copycats.com? ? villageprinting1@aol.com wrote:? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? > I can only purchase 10 cartons at a time due to lack of space here.? We get Multi-Copy 101 Brightness for $31.00 per carton (5000).? I feel buy using better quality paper, jams are almost non existent.? But if your pre-purchasing that much paper you should be getting a better rate.? Unless they are incorporating storgae fee's into their price.? >? > Tommy Melendez? >? >? > Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.? > 3612 E. Tremont Avenue? > Bronx, N.Y. 10465? > NAQP Member #1031539? > 718.904.7760? > 718.892.2315 Fax? > www.printing-n-graphics.com? >? > -----Original Message-----? > From: Robert Stor ? > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only ? > Sent: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:08 am? > Subject: [PrintOwners] 20# bond prices? >? >? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****?? > ?? > I am trying to get a feel for the current cost of 20# white?? > ?? > We purchase about 12-15 skids of 20# white at a time from Xerox. They store the paper and send it to us one skid at a time, as we need it.?? > ?? > The price I am being quoted is $1,025 per skid, and I am not sure how that compares to what is going on out there.?? > ?? > Any input appreciated.?? > ?? > Regards,?? > Bob Stor?? > Copycats?? > New York, NY?? > 212-557-2111 x20?? > www.copycats.com?? > _______________________________________________?? > PrintOwners Discussion List?? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org?? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners?? > ?? >? >? > ________________________________________________________________________? > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? >? > _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Thu Oct 18 14:02:45 2007 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Thu Oct 18 14:01:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 20# bond prices In-Reply-To: <8C9DFC5661E9C29-49C-9A78@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com> References: <471768D1.9020802@copycats.com> <8C9DFBFBEDF546F-49C-97AC@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com> <471793BB.9040601@copycats.com> <8C9DFC5661E9C29-49C-9A78@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <184F61BA-9D0D-40A1-A6ED-9903CFE29499@falconprintandcopy.com> I go to New York fairly frequently. EVERYTHING is more expensive in NY. We should have factored that in. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com On Oct 18, 2007, at 1:42 PM, villageprinting1@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Alright, so storage is incorporated into the price.? I guess that > is not too bad considering someone like myself can't store to much > myself.? > > > > Tommy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Stor > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Sent: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 1:11 pm > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] 20# bond prices > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? > ? > Tommy,? > ? > The price includes storage and delivery on as-needed basis. I just > spoke to my main merchant who quoted me $27/skid and told me to > grab the offer from Xerox.? > ? > It looks like cost is dependent on the geography. In NYC we seem to > be paying more than elsewhere? > ? > Bob Stor? > Copycats? > New York, NY? > 212-557-2111 x20? > www.copycats.com? > ? > villageprinting1@aol.com wrote:? >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >> ? >> I can only purchase 10 cartons at a time due to lack of space >> here.? We get Multi-Copy 101 Brightness for $31.00 per carton >> (5000).? I feel buy using better quality paper, jams are almost >> non existent.? But if your pre-purchasing that much paper you >> should be getting a better rate.? Unless they are incorporating >> storgae fee's into their price.? >> ? >> Tommy Melendez? >> ? >> ? >> Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc.? >> 3612 E. Tremont Avenue? >> Bronx, N.Y. 10465? >> NAQP Member #1031539? >> 718.904.7760? >> 718.892.2315 Fax? >> www.printing-n-graphics.com? >> ? >> -----Original Message-----? >> From: Robert Stor ? >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> ? >> Sent: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:08 am? >> Subject: [PrintOwners] 20# bond prices? >> ? >> ? >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****?? >> ?? >> I am trying to get a feel for the current cost of 20# white?? >> ?? >> We purchase about 12-15 skids of 20# white at a time from Xerox. >> They store the paper and send it to us one skid at a time, as we >> need it.?? >> ?? >> The price I am being quoted is $1,025 per skid, and I am not sure >> how that compares to what is going on out there.?? >> ?? >> Any input appreciated.?? >> ?? >> Regards,?? >> Bob Stor?? >> Copycats?? >> New York, NY?? >> 212-557-2111 x20?? >> www.copycats.com?? >> _______________________________________________?? >> PrintOwners Discussion List?? >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org?? >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners?? >> ?? >> ? >> ? >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> ___? >> Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL >> Mail! - http://mail.aol.com? >> _______________________________________________? >> PrintOwners Discussion List? >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >> ? >> ? >> ? >> _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? > ? > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL > Mail! - http://mail.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From nt at andrewsblueprint.com Thu Oct 18 14:05:07 2007 From: nt at andrewsblueprint.com (Nancy Thomsen) Date: Thu Oct 18 14:05:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] re: Pricing Plan In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0710171455u67ca9b36v1874afe8bd46005d@mail.gmail.co m> References: <48E3143D-F5D7-4046-AB77-814243C81C8D@falconprintandcopy.com> <98f5b19a0710171455u67ca9b36v1874afe8bd46005d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20071018105908.02be3ae0@mail.andrewsblueprint.com> Five years ago I signed my first lease. It was for a 16/minute color printer/copier. I wanted a 36 month lease. I trusted the salesman. I signed a 60 month lease. I was shocked when 3 years came around, the printer was outdated and I still had 2 more years! That is over and I purchased the KM C6500. I also purchased the KIP 8000 (large format printer) when it came off lease and I'm going to purchase the KIP 7200 (large format with color/mono scanner) in 5 months and then... no more leases. Nancy At 02:55 PM 10/17/2007, Michael Vogel wrote: >Just a thought, but 60 months, to me, is a scary length of time to >over which to amortize the cost of almost any piece of digital >equipment, most notably a color box. > > >-- >Michael Vogel >On 10/17/07, Borzou Azabdaftari wrote: > > > > I'm looking at a 242 with the built in fiery rip, > > professional finisher, and booklet maker, just for back-up, but I was > > quoted $604 for the machine, and $169 for the RIP, on a 60 mo, FMV > > lease. Nancy Thomsen Andrews Blueprint, Inc. 269 Griffin St. Salinas, CA 93901 831-424-0331 Fax 831-424-7485 Fax www.andrewsblueprint.com From jodib at blackfoot.net Thu Oct 18 14:13:41 2007 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Thu Oct 18 14:14:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] graduation announcements References: <53033.192.168.1.71.1192714063.webmail@192.168.1.71> Message-ID: <00bb01c811b2$9d5d08b0$0101a8c0@desktoppbl> Margaret: We do announcements for the three highschools. I preprint an announcement with all the generic information (using an ink that is one of the school colors and the paper the other color....in this instance gold cardstock - for all three schools paper and then red, blue and purple ink), with the school mascot and the school motto. Envelopes are blank. They then can choose 50 or 100 name cards in coordinating color. Sometimes its a hit and miss on the # to preprint, but I'm pretty close. (p.s. - the name cards we run on the color copier) This year we are also offering/suggesting a card (5 x 7) to include a four color picture of their graduate with a vellum envelope. They of course can also order out of the catalog, but most are looking for a more inexpensive option than $100+ which is what Josten's has available for 25 announcements. Hope this helps. Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing Missoula, Montana jodib@blackfoot.net 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 7:27 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] graduation announcements > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > does anyone print grad announcements or have a GREAT vendor? (we have used > carlson craft for the last 5 years and they have turned that portion over > to someone else). our typical order is a custom silver and blue foil with > custom school logo, qty. 4000-5000. plus all the accessories. discount > order date is already gone by (with no notice to us) for new vendor and > their policies are very rigid. > > margaret > > Designotype Printers, Inc. > 906-482-2424 > 906-482-2266 fax > We are the only printer in the 4 county area that provides a written > Per4mance Pledge ensuring that you are completely satisfied with projects > printed at Designotype Printers, Inc. > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From jgross at techiowa.com Thu Oct 18 14:27:11 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Thu Oct 18 14:28:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] re: Pricing Plan In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20071018105908.02be3ae0@mail.andrewsblueprint.com> Message-ID: <007301c811b4$7feb4650$1e00000a@tech.local> Nancy, are you servicing your KIP 8000? John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Nancy Thomsen Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:05 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] re: Pricing Plan ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Five years ago I signed my first lease. It was for a 16/minute color printer/copier. I wanted a 36 month lease. I trusted the salesman. I signed a 60 month lease. I was shocked when 3 years came around, the printer was outdated and I still had 2 more years! That is over and I purchased the KM C6500. I also purchased the KIP 8000 (large format printer) when it came off lease and I'm going to purchase the KIP 7200 (large format with color/mono scanner) in 5 months and then... no more leases. Nancy At 02:55 PM 10/17/2007, Michael Vogel wrote: >Just a thought, but 60 months, to me, is a scary length of time to >over which to amortize the cost of almost any piece of digital >equipment, most notably a color box. > > >-- >Michael Vogel >On 10/17/07, Borzou Azabdaftari wrote: > > > > I'm looking at a 242 with the built in fiery rip, > > professional finisher, and booklet maker, just for back-up, but I was > > quoted $604 for the machine, and $169 for the RIP, on a 60 mo, FMV > > lease. Nancy Thomsen Andrews Blueprint, Inc. 269 Griffin St. Salinas, CA 93901 831-424-0331 Fax 831-424-7485 Fax www.andrewsblueprint.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From yaakov at sparkdirectny.com Thu Oct 18 14:38:05 2007 From: yaakov at sparkdirectny.com (Yaakov Reshef) Date: Thu Oct 18 14:39:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 20# bond prices Message-ID: Bob, You are right about that... We do pay more. Yaakov Reshef SPARK Direct * Kwik Kopy Printing Marketing * Printing * Solutions 7 East 37th Street-NYC-10016 Tel: 212-328-2001 Fax: 212-328-2007(new number) yaakov@Sparkdirectny.com www.sparkdirectny.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robert Stor Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:11 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] 20# bond prices ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Tommy, The price includes storage and delivery on as-needed basis. I just spoke to my main merchant who quoted me $27/skid and told me to grab the offer from Xerox. It looks like cost is dependent on the geography. In NYC we seem to be paying more than elsewhere Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com villageprinting1@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I can only purchase 10 cartons at a time due to lack of space here.? We get Multi-Copy 101 Brightness for $31.00 per carton (5000).? I feel buy using better quality paper, jams are almost non existent.? But if your pre-purchasing that much paper you should be getting a better rate.? Unless they are incorporating storgae fee's into their price. > > Tommy Melendez > > > Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. > 3612 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > NAQP Member #1031539 > 718.904.7760 > 718.892.2315 Fax > www.printing-n-graphics.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Stor > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Sent: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:08 am > Subject: [PrintOwners] 20# bond prices > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? > ? > I am trying to get a feel for the current cost of 20# white? > ? > We purchase about 12-15 skids of 20# white at a time from Xerox. They store the paper and send it to us one skid at a time, as we need it.? > ? > The price I am being quoted is $1,025 per skid, and I am not sure how that compares to what is going on out there.? > ? > Any input appreciated.? > ? > Regards,? > Bob Stor? > Copycats? > New York, NY? > 212-557-2111 x20? > www.copycats.com? > _______________________________________________? > PrintOwners Discussion List? > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? > ? > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kevin at proprinters.ca Thu Oct 18 14:47:12 2007 From: kevin at proprinters.ca (Kevin at PRO Printers) Date: Thu Oct 18 14:48:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 20# bond prices References: Message-ID: <016b01c811b7$4bd5f6a0$0200a8c0@promerivale1> So you think you pay more because of geography? Could be! We pay $6.75 per M from our regular supplier and we buy a skid at a time. We can actually buy it cheaper from Staples or Costco even a carton at a time but there is no delivery so that is not practical. We were paying around $5.25 at the beginning of the year. Similarly high prices in regards to equipment too. Try making money paying Canadian prices. Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yaakov Reshef" > > Bob, > You are right about that... > We do pay more. > > Yaakov Reshef > SPARK Direct * Kwik Kopy Printing > Marketing * Printing * Solutions > > 7 East 37th Street-NYC-10016 >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] 20# bond prices > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Tommy, > > The price includes storage and delivery on as-needed basis. I just spoke > > to my main merchant who quoted me $27/skid and told me to grab the offer > > from Xerox. > > It looks like cost is dependent on the geography. In NYC we seem to be > paying more than elsewhere > > Bob Stor > Copycats > New York, NY > 212-557-2111 x20 > From jim at visaliaidea.com Thu Oct 18 15:04:35 2007 From: jim at visaliaidea.com (James Laber) Date: Thu Oct 18 15:05:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Job Descriptions In-Reply-To: <20071018145423.D06E5C13954@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <003501c811b9$b95de6e0$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local> Try Deb Thompson TG & Associates. They have a very good selection and are a great HR resource. Jim Laber Idea! Printing & Graphics Inc 1921 E Main St Visalia CA 93292 559-733-4149 X118 Fax: 559-636-3690 jim@visaliaidea.com http://www.visaliaidea.com/ From nt at andrewsblueprint.com Thu Oct 18 15:28:49 2007 From: nt at andrewsblueprint.com (Nancy Thomsen) Date: Thu Oct 18 15:29:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pricing Plan In-Reply-To: <007301c811b4$7feb4650$1e00000a@tech.local> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20071018105908.02be3ae0@mail.andrewsblueprint.com> <007301c811b4$7feb4650$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20071018122532.02c35900@mail.andrewsblueprint.com> No, I pay for service when I need it. Nancy At 11:27 AM 10/18/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Nancy, are you servicing your KIP 8000? > >John A. Gross >Technigraphics, Inc. >PO Box 1846 >Iowa City, Iowa 52244 >jgross@techiowa.com > >-----Original Message----- >On Behalf Of Nancy Thomsen > >Five years ago I signed my first lease. It was for a 16/minute color >printer/copier. I wanted a 36 month lease. I trusted the >salesman. I signed a 60 month lease. I was shocked when 3 years >came around, the printer was outdated and I still had 2 more >years! That is over and I purchased the KM C6500. I also purchased >the KIP 8000 (large format printer) when it came off lease and I'm >going to purchase the KIP 7200 (large format with color/mono scanner) >in 5 months and then... no more leases. > >Nancy Nancy Thomsen Andrews Blueprint, Inc. 269 Griffin St. Salinas, CA 93901 831-424-0331 Fax 831-424-7485 Fax www.andrewsblueprint.com From greg at ajprinting.com Thu Oct 18 15:56:16 2007 From: greg at ajprinting.com (Greg Johnston) Date: Thu Oct 18 15:56:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] film scanning Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071018125448.035402c8@ajprinting.com> I posted this to PONG this morning and haven't seen the message yet so that's why I'm posting it here now. Sorry for the cross post if the PONG post comes up at the same time. Basically, we have film for a print job, and we've gone CTP, and this job is not available digitally, so we want the film scanned at high resolution. We think. Haven't done it before, so we're just searching for a solution. Is a Copy Dot Scanner (I know old school) a good option here?? If so does anyone have a one or a suggestion of who could do it (preferably on the West Coast)??? Thanks Greg Johnston AJ Printing & Graphics 1350 Central Ave #1 Santa Rosa CA 95401 707.525.8600 Fax 707.525.8923 www.ajprinting.com e-mail: greg@ajprinting.com Ask me about how I can help you build your business with our direct mailing services for your marketing needs Authorized Adobe Service Provider Quark Authorized Output Provider From rstor at copycats.com Thu Oct 18 16:12:20 2007 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Thu Oct 18 16:14:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] IGen near NYC Message-ID: <4717BE24.8050509@copycats.com> We have a small job that needs an Igen. It will happen several times a year. If anyone is within 1 day UPS ground of NYC and is interested in trade work, please contact off list. TIA Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com From braddpotter at juno.com Thu Oct 18 16:20:00 2007 From: braddpotter at juno.com (Brad Potter) Date: Thu Oct 18 16:22:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] laptop busted (buying vista) and migrating email Message-ID: <20071018.132000.28156.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> my laptop busted, but I WAS able to back up everything to an old desktop machine, but it is also time for a new laptop (general surfing and email, NOT graphics...) So I am looking at a vista home or basic or the next step up. for my needs does it matter? Oh, I do want to log on to my vpn at work to work on printers plan. i have been using Juno for YEARS and I can not find their proprietary software anymore, Juno 5.0. It does NOT back up to anything except to itself, so I am wondering if the smart move is to just start using my bradwhataguy@yahoo.com address, and start using the online email filing?? I guess maybe I need to understand how Thunderbird or Outlook Express handle emails. I mean I have folders and folders of them, and I file things to come back to later. I will over the next month forward emails from my old software to my new address if I can figger out how to capture them. (in the new filing system) I can easily say goodbye to my juno address. and this is personal stuff only, the business email is handled by my peeps. They see my bp@myprintsource.net email before I do... Can anyone give a 30 second description of the pros and cons of Thunderbird versus the online unlimited yahoo product?? thanx brad printing services port orchard, wa 98366 Brad Potter Your Printing Super Hero 3480 SE Bethel, Suite A Port Orchard, WA 98366 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Thu Oct 18 16:53:20 2007 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Thu Oct 18 16:52:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Job Descriptions In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20071018090650.0332fbf8@bucksdigital.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20071018090650.0332fbf8@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <975764D3-43CB-4B52-9BE4-E1438D634A09@falconprintandcopy.com> Two options: A. Does anyone do your payroll? ADP provides us with non-compete contracts, job descriptions, employee manuals, etc. B. Just go to monster.com and start putting an ad, once you get to the job description, they'll ask you to use their default one. When I was looking for a press operator they're default press operator description (yes they had one) was great. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com On Oct 18, 2007, at 9:07 AM, Bob Herion wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > If anyone would be kind enough to send me their job descriptions for: > Pre-Press Manager and Pre-Press Technician, > I would be very grateful. > Thanks in advance, > Bob > > Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's > Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 > 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 > www.bucksdigital.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Thu Oct 18 17:28:18 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Thu Oct 18 17:29:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 20# bond prices In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20071018094010.03506280@ajprinting.com> References: <471768D1.9020802@copycats.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20071018094010.03506280@ajprinting.com> Message-ID: Just today got an email from my paper sales rep and our cost of $27.50/case is now going to $29.75. Case of 11x17 going to $31.75. We used to get it by the skid but a couple years ago he made the price the same but we could by any quantity we wanted, as long as it is full cartons, and he pays shipping as long as we use their truck which delivers Wed & Fri. They are about 90 miles away. The other vendor, who is 45 miles away has an extra per invoice charge plus shipping, and they charge the same price. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 At 07:08 AM 10/18/2007, Robert Stor wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I am trying to get a feel for the current cost of 20# white From ahavens at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 18 17:57:32 2007 From: ahavens at sbcglobal.net (Havens Printing and Copy Shop) Date: Thu Oct 18 17:54:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 20# bond prices References: <471768D1.9020802@copycats.com><7.0.1.0.2.20071018094010.03506280@ajprinting.com> Message-ID: <010901c811d1$e2d36140$1a01a8c0@Leah> Our price is $5.88/M. Case lots delivered once a week. Good firm sheet - 96 Brightness. Austin Havens, Owner Havens Printing & Copy Shop 200 N Main McPherson, KS 67460 620-241-5400 ahavens@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Lake" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:28 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] 20# bond prices > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Just today got an email from my paper sales rep and our cost of > $27.50/case > is now going to $29.75. Case of 11x17 going to $31.75. We used to get it > by > the skid but a couple years ago he made the price the same but we could by > any quantity we wanted, as long as it is full cartons, and he pays > shipping > as long as we use their truck which delivers Wed & Fri. They are about 90 > miles away. The other vendor, who is 45 miles away has an extra per > invoice > charge plus shipping, and they charge the same price. > > > Mark Lake > PIP Printing > 368 Jefferson Street > Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 > 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax > www.pipsturgeonbay.com > Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com > > To send a file to us, please use the link below > http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 > > At 07:08 AM 10/18/2007, Robert Stor wrote: >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>I am trying to get a feel for the current cost of 20# white > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From dominick at fmtc.com Thu Oct 18 18:04:59 2007 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Thu Oct 18 18:05:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] film scanning In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20071018125448.035402c8@ajprinting.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20071018125448.035402c8@ajprinting.com> Message-ID: <4717D88B.1090806@fmtc.com> Greg, Contact Brian at "The Prep Department" in Boise Idaho.208-336-7776. He has the most up to date equipment that I know of. Drum scanner of 10 x 14 up to 2400 dpi. And a boat load of other equipment. A phone call can't hurt... Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! Greg Johnston wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > I posted this to PONG this morning and haven't seen the message yet so > that's why I'm posting it here now. Sorry for the cross post if the > PONG post comes up at the same time. > > Basically, we have film for a print job, and we've gone CTP, and this > job is not available digitally, so we want the film scanned at high > resolution. We think. Haven't done it before, so we're just > searching for a solution. > > Is a Copy Dot Scanner (I know old school) a good option here?? If so > does anyone have a one or a suggestion of who could do it (preferably > on the West Coast)??? > > Thanks > > Greg Johnston > > AJ Printing & Graphics > 1350 Central Ave #1 > Santa Rosa CA 95401 > 707.525.8600 Fax 707.525.8923 > www.ajprinting.com e-mail: greg@ajprinting.com > > Ask me about how I can help you build your business > with our direct mailing services for your marketing needs > > > Authorized Adobe Service Provider > > Quark Authorized Output Provider > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From bill at mauiprintworks.com Thu Oct 18 19:51:11 2007 From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works) Date: Thu Oct 18 19:51:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 20# bond prices In-Reply-To: <471768D1.9020802@copycats.com> References: <471768D1.9020802@copycats.com> Message-ID: We pay $6.37/M = $31.85 /case From xpedx 10 case at a time they deliver. ( how many cases on a skid? ) Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku, Maui, Hawaii 96793 (808)242-6634 Fax (808)242-8967 bill@mauiprintworks.com www. mauiprintworks.com > I am trying to get a feel for the current cost of 20# white > We purchase about 12-15 skids of 20# white at a time from Xerox. They > store the paper and send it to us one skid at a time, as we need it. > The price I am being quoted is $1,025 per skid, and I am not sure how > that compares to what is going on out there. > > Bob Stor > Copycats > New York, NY > 212-557-2111 x20 > www.copycats.com From si at ria.net Thu Oct 18 20:12:29 2007 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Thu Oct 18 20:15:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 20# bond prices In-Reply-To: <471768D1.9020802@copycats.com> References: <471768D1.9020802@copycats.com> Message-ID: <200710190015.l9J0F2v09526@plus50.host4u.net> At 10:08 AM 10/18/2007, Bob Stor wrote: >I am trying to get a feel for the current cost of 20# white > >We purchase about 12-15 skids of 20# white at a time from Xerox. >They store the paper and send it to us one skid at a time, as we need it. > >The price I am being quoted is $1,025 per skid, and I am not sure >how that compares to what is going on out there. For most of us, price per thousand is the number we deal with. Looks like Bob is paying $5.13/M at $1025 per skid (40 cartons). Not too bad, especially considering storage is included and the high expense of Manhattan deliveries. The Xerox 20# sheet we've seen here seems decent quality. We went from $5.95 to $6.05 per thousand on 20# Spectrum MP (Georgia Pacific) last month. This is delivered price for any quantity. Price would be lower if we committed to multiple skid purchases like Bob. Xpedx/Paper 'n' Graphics Oct-Dec 2007 price book for Michigan and northern Ohio shows 5 carton pricing as follows: Vector Bond -- $6.12/M Hammermill Tidal MP Bond -- $6.26/M Hammermill Fore MP Bond -- $6.39/M Doug -- Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From bill at mauiprintworks.com Thu Oct 18 20:31:53 2007 From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works) Date: Thu Oct 18 20:32:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Blanket Packing for Press QM-46 Resource? Message-ID: I need to get 10 mil packing for the blanket on our QM-46. (we're using 8 mil polyester plates) Heidelberg only has that thickness in multi packs of variable thickness. Presstech has 10 mil but smaller than the size we need. The size we're using is 13-3/8 x 19-15/16. Larger is ok we can cut to size. Anyone have a resource where I can get some? Thanks Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku, HI 96793 (808)242-6634 Fax (808)242-8967 bill@mauiprintworks.com www. mauiprintworks.com From slb at inkspot.net Thu Oct 18 21:30:10 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu Oct 18 21:30:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Blanket Packing for Press QM-46 Resource? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4717D062.23949.11B70A5D@slb.inkspot.net> We buy Riegel Press-Pak sheets for our Heidelberg. We use them for blanket, plate, and cylinder-jacket packings. They're available in various thicknesses, in some odd size of parent-sheet that I never remember, and never cuts efficiently to what you need, but, there you are... We buy the stuff (rarely) from our paper distributor. HTH, Steve > > I need to get 10 mil packing for the blanket on our QM-46. (we're > using 8 mil polyester plates) > Heidelberg only has that thickness in multi packs of variable thickness. > Presstech has 10 mil but smaller than the size we need. > The size we're using is 13-3/8 x 19-15/16. Larger is ok we can cut to > size. > > Anyone have a resource where I can get some? > > Thanks > Bill Marsh > Maui Print Works > 70 Central Ave., Wailuku, HI 96793 > (808)242-6634 Fax (808)242-8967 > bill@mauiprintworks.com www. mauiprintworks.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2602 (20071018) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From bherion at bucksdigital.com Fri Oct 19 07:01:05 2007 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Fri Oct 19 07:01:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Job Descriptions In-Reply-To: <20071018220541.317D0C1502C@rb.enter.net> References: <20071018220541.317D0C1502C@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071019065819.033099a0@bucksdigital.com> At 06:05 PM 10/18/2007, Borzou Azabdaftari wrote: >A. Does anyone do your payroll? ADP provides us with non-compete >contracts, job descriptions, employee manuals, etc. > >B. Just go to monster.com and start putting an ad, once you get to >the job description, they'll ask you to use their default one. When >I was looking for a press operator they're default press operator >description (yes they had one) was great. I'm actually about to Monster for a plant manager, so I'll try that out. Thank you for your response! Bob Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From rstor at copycats.com Fri Oct 19 09:16:44 2007 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Fri Oct 19 09:19:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 20# bond prices In-Reply-To: <200710190015.l9J0F2v09526@plus50.host4u.net> References: <471768D1.9020802@copycats.com> <200710190015.l9J0F2v09526@plus50.host4u.net> Message-ID: <4718AE3C.7050304@copycats.com> Thank you all for the info. It seems like prices for this are all over the board, and Xerox is a bit lower than median. Given that the use of their stock prevents the tech excuse of "it's the paper", I'll stick with this vendor. Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Doug Shelton wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > At 10:08 AM 10/18/2007, Bob Stor wrote: > >> I am trying to get a feel for the current cost of 20# white >> >> We purchase about 12-15 skids of 20# white at a time from Xerox. They >> store the paper and send it to us one skid at a time, as we need it. >> >> The price I am being quoted is $1,025 per skid, and I am not sure how >> that compares to what is going on out there. > > For most of us, price per thousand is the number we deal with. > > Looks like Bob is paying $5.13/M at $1025 per skid (40 cartons). > > Not too bad, especially considering storage is included and > the high expense of Manhattan deliveries. The Xerox 20# sheet > we've seen here seems decent quality. > > We went from $5.95 to $6.05 per thousand on 20# Spectrum MP > (Georgia Pacific) last month. This is delivered price for any > quantity. Price would be lower if we committed to multiple skid > purchases like Bob. > > Xpedx/Paper 'n' Graphics Oct-Dec 2007 price book for Michigan > and northern Ohio shows 5 carton pricing as follows: > > Vector Bond -- $6.12/M > Hammermill Tidal MP Bond -- $6.26/M > Hammermill Fore MP Bond -- $6.39/M > > Doug > > -- > Doug Shelton > Superior Impressions, Inc. > Toledo, Ohio > mailto:si@ria.net > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From ahavens at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 19 09:41:03 2007 From: ahavens at sbcglobal.net (Havens Printing and Copy Shop) Date: Fri Oct 19 09:38:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 20# bond prices References: <471768D1.9020802@copycats.com><200710190015.l9J0F2v09526@plus50.host4u.net> <4718AE3C.7050304@copycats.com> Message-ID: <002401c81255$b1d0a420$1a01a8c0@Leah> The following - "tech excuse of "it's the paper"," needs to be killed immediately and consistently. While there may be the odd paper stock that will give trouble in a copier, the copiers that can't handle 'run of the mill' everyday well known brands that we all are asked to use, need FIXIN'. So - "techie, just do it." We pay through the nose as it is for the machine, it needs to be capable of standing up in the work place. Several years ago, I had a serviceman show me his perfectly reproduced test sheet and explain that the Japanese who developed the machine see yellow differently than we do, there's not much we can do about it. My response was, "I have two problems with that answer. 1. I do not sell test sheets. 2. In my community, I do not have the requisite ethnic customer base. I need a machine that can SEE color and can reproduce it, period." Austin Havens, Owner Havens Printing & Copy Shop 200 N Main McPherson, KS 67460 620-241-5400 ahavens@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Stor" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] 20# bond prices > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Thank you all for the info. > > It seems like prices for this are all over the board, and Xerox is a bit > lower than median. Given that the use of their stock prevents the tech > excuse of "it's the paper", I'll stick with this vendor. > > Regards, > Bob Stor > Copycats > New York, NY > 212-557-2111 x20 > www.copycats.com > > Doug Shelton wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> At 10:08 AM 10/18/2007, Bob Stor wrote: >> >>> I am trying to get a feel for the current cost of 20# white >>> >>> We purchase about 12-15 skids of 20# white at a time from Xerox. They >>> store the paper and send it to us one skid at a time, as we need it. >>> >>> The price I am being quoted is $1,025 per skid, and I am not sure how >>> that compares to what is going on out there. >> >> For most of us, price per thousand is the number we deal with. >> >> Looks like Bob is paying $5.13/M at $1025 per skid (40 cartons). >> >> Not too bad, especially considering storage is included and >> the high expense of Manhattan deliveries. The Xerox 20# sheet >> we've seen here seems decent quality. >> >> We went from $5.95 to $6.05 per thousand on 20# Spectrum MP >> (Georgia Pacific) last month. This is delivered price for any >> quantity. Price would be lower if we committed to multiple skid >> purchases like Bob. >> >> Xpedx/Paper 'n' Graphics Oct-Dec 2007 price book for Michigan >> and northern Ohio shows 5 carton pricing as follows: >> >> Vector Bond -- $6.12/M >> Hammermill Tidal MP Bond -- $6.26/M >> Hammermill Fore MP Bond -- $6.39/M >> >> Doug >> >> -- >> Doug Shelton >> Superior Impressions, Inc. >> Toledo, Ohio >> mailto:si@ria.net >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From craig at sutterprinting.com Fri Oct 19 09:53:25 2007 From: craig at sutterprinting.com (Craig Baise) Date: Fri Oct 19 09:53:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pricing Plan In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20071018122532.02c35900@mail.andrewsblueprint.com> Message-ID: Don't we all?! On 10/18/07 12:28 PM, "Nancy Thomsen" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > No, I pay for service when I need it. > > Nancy > > > > At 11:27 AM 10/18/2007, you wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Nancy, are you servicing your KIP 8000? >> >> John A. Gross >> Technigraphics, Inc. >> PO Box 1846 >> Iowa City, Iowa 52244 >> jgross@techiowa.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> On Behalf Of Nancy Thomsen >> >> Five years ago I signed my first lease. It was for a 16/minute color >> printer/copier. I wanted a 36 month lease. I trusted the >> salesman. I signed a 60 month lease. I was shocked when 3 years >> came around, the printer was outdated and I still had 2 more >> years! That is over and I purchased the KM C6500. I also purchased >> the KIP 8000 (large format printer) when it came off lease and I'm >> going to purchase the KIP 7200 (large format with color/mono scanner) >> in 5 months and then... no more leases. >> >> Nancy > > > > > > Nancy Thomsen > Andrews Blueprint, Inc. > 269 Griffin St. > Salinas, CA 93901 > 831-424-0331 > Fax 831-424-7485 Fax > www.andrewsblueprint.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Craig C. Baise Sutter Printing 916.446.0167 office www.sutterprinting.com From gamble at choiceonemail.com Fri Oct 19 12:21:32 2007 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Fri Oct 19 12:22:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Weight of HP 45 ink cartridges? In-Reply-To: <4714A4C9.15398.554BBF0@slb.inkspot.net> References: <47134BA7.13812.108DD9@slb.inkspot.net> <4714A4C9.15398.554BBF0@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <026901c8126c$1d35c450$0301a8c0@RICK> Thanks Dennis, Leave it to the self proclaimed "Mailing God" to have the info. I use bladders and refilled cartridges the refills are 23.00 using the HP45 multi purpose ink. I buy 3 at a time but if I bought a volume I am sure he'd give me better pricing. Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:47 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Weight of HP 45 ink cartridges? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Thanks, Dennis. It's nice to know I was fighting a losing battle with the cartridges I replaced yesterday--they were close enough to empty to toss. I'll keep those figures handy for future diagnoses... Steve > > > > > A new HP 45 black-ink cartridge weighs about 4-1/16 oz. I'm not sure > > what an empty one weighs, but I have a suspect at about 3-1/16 oz. > > Before I make a mess drilling a hole in it, has anyone else already > > collected some data that they're willing to share? > > > Steve, A full cartridge of HP Versatile Black weighs in at 4.08 oz or > 115.8Grams. The empty cartridges weigh in the neighborhood of > 2.79 oz or 79.2 Grams. > > -- > Dennis Trump > Trump Direct > a print and direct mail communications company > Decatur IL > www.trumpdirect.com > trump@trumpdirect.com > 217.429.9001 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2592 (20071015) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kathy at mpcny.com Fri Oct 19 12:38:56 2007 From: kathy at mpcny.com (Kathy Henry) Date: Fri Oct 19 12:39:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Weight of HP 45 ink cartridges? In-Reply-To: <026901c8126c$1d35c450$0301a8c0@RICK> References: <47134BA7.13812.108DD9@slb.inkspot.net><4714A4C9.15398.554BBF0@slb.inkspot.net> <026901c8126c$1d35c450$0301a8c0@RICK> Message-ID: <001301c8126e$8b0e93b0$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> Wait a minute, Dennis isn't the "Self-Proclaimed Mailing God", that person would be Thom. Dennis is "Humble Mailing God". Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing kathy@mpcny.com 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Rick Bird Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:22 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Weight of HP 45 ink cartridges? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Thanks Dennis, Leave it to the self proclaimed "Mailing God" to have the info. I use bladders and refilled cartridges the refills are 23.00 using the HP45 multi purpose ink. I buy 3 at a time but if I bought a volume I am sure he'd give me better pricing. Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:47 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Weight of HP 45 ink cartridges? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Thanks, Dennis. It's nice to know I was fighting a losing battle with the cartridges I replaced yesterday--they were close enough to empty to toss. I'll keep those figures handy for future diagnoses... Steve > > > > > A new HP 45 black-ink cartridge weighs about 4-1/16 oz. I'm not sure > > what an empty one weighs, but I have a suspect at about 3-1/16 oz. > > Before I make a mess drilling a hole in it, has anyone else already > > collected some data that they're willing to share? > > > Steve, A full cartridge of HP Versatile Black weighs in at 4.08 oz or > 115.8Grams. The empty cartridges weigh in the neighborhood of > 2.79 oz or 79.2 Grams. > > -- > Dennis Trump > Trump Direct > a print and direct mail communications company > Decatur IL > www.trumpdirect.com > trump@trumpdirect.com > 217.429.9001 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2592 (20071015) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.1/1079 - Release Date: 10/19/2007 5:10 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.1/1079 - Release Date: 10/19/2007 5:10 AM From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Fri Oct 19 12:44:33 2007 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Fri Oct 19 12:43:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 20# bond prices In-Reply-To: <002401c81255$b1d0a420$1a01a8c0@Leah> References: <471768D1.9020802@copycats.com><200710190015.l9J0F2v09526@plus50.host4u.net> <4718AE3C.7050304@copycats.com> <002401c81255$b1d0a420$1a01a8c0@Leah> Message-ID: <2F83349E-A8AA-4BE9-9FB4-AFCCF90C9CD5@falconprintandcopy.com> "the Japanese who developed the machine see yellow differently than we do" This made my day Austin. I thought I got the worst BS answers. Regards, Borzou -------------- next part -------------- www.falconprintandcopy.com t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 On Oct 19, 2007, at 9:41 AM, Havens Printing and Copy Shop wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > The following - "tech excuse of "it's the paper"," needs to be > killed immediately and consistently. While there may be the odd > paper stock that will give trouble in a copier, the copiers that > can't handle 'run of the mill' everyday well known brands that we > all are asked to use, need FIXIN'. So - "techie, just do it." We > pay through the nose as it is for the machine, it needs to be > capable of standing up in the work place. > > Several years ago, I had a serviceman show me his perfectly > reproduced test sheet and explain that the Japanese who developed > the machine see yellow differently than we do, there's not much we > can do about it. > My response was, "I have two problems with that answer. 1. I do not > sell test sheets. 2. In my community, I do not have the requisite > ethnic customer base. I need a machine that can SEE color and can > reproduce it, period." > > Austin Havens, Owner > Havens Printing & Copy Shop > 200 N Main > McPherson, KS 67460 > 620-241-5400 > ahavens@sbcglobal.net > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Stor" > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 8:16 AM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] 20# bond prices > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Thank you all for the info. >> >> It seems like prices for this are all over the board, and Xerox is >> a bit lower than median. Given that the use of their stock >> prevents the tech excuse of "it's the paper", I'll stick with this >> vendor. >> >> Regards, >> Bob Stor >> Copycats >> New York, NY >> 212-557-2111 x20 >> www.copycats.com >> >> Doug Shelton wrote: >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> At 10:08 AM 10/18/2007, Bob Stor wrote: >>> >>>> I am trying to get a feel for the current cost of 20# white >>>> >>>> We purchase about 12-15 skids of 20# white at a time from Xerox. >>>> They store the paper and send it to us one skid at a time, as we >>>> need it. >>>> >>>> The price I am being quoted is $1,025 per skid, and I am not >>>> sure how that compares to what is going on out there. >>> >>> For most of us, price per thousand is the number we deal with. >>> >>> Looks like Bob is paying $5.13/M at $1025 per skid (40 cartons). >>> >>> Not too bad, especially considering storage is included and >>> the high expense of Manhattan deliveries. The Xerox 20# sheet >>> we've seen here seems decent quality. >>> >>> We went from $5.95 to $6.05 per thousand on 20# Spectrum MP >>> (Georgia Pacific) last month. This is delivered price for any >>> quantity. Price would be lower if we committed to multiple skid >>> purchases like Bob. >>> >>> Xpedx/Paper 'n' Graphics Oct-Dec 2007 price book for Michigan >>> and northern Ohio shows 5 carton pricing as follows: >>> >>> Vector Bond -- $6.12/M >>> Hammermill Tidal MP Bond -- $6.26/M >>> Hammermill Fore MP Bond -- $6.39/M >>> >>> Doug >>> >>> -- >>> Doug Shelton >>> Superior Impressions, Inc. >>> Toledo, Ohio >>> mailto:si@ria.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From gamble at choiceonemail.com Fri Oct 19 12:44:48 2007 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Fri Oct 19 12:45:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Weight of HP 45 ink cartridges? In-Reply-To: <001301c8126e$8b0e93b0$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> References: <47134BA7.13812.108DD9@slb.inkspot.net><4714A4C9.15398.554BBF0@slb.inkspot.net><026901c8126c$1d35c450$0301a8c0@RICK> <001301c8126e$8b0e93b0$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> Message-ID: <027001c8126f$5cd80570$0301a8c0@RICK> I stand corrected...it is Friday after all Rick -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Henry Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:39 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Weight of HP 45 ink cartridges? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Wait a minute, Dennis isn't the "Self-Proclaimed Mailing God", that person would be Thom. Dennis is "Humble Mailing God". Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing kathy@mpcny.com 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Rick Bird Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:22 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Weight of HP 45 ink cartridges? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Thanks Dennis, Leave it to the self proclaimed "Mailing God" to have the info. I use bladders and refilled cartridges the refills are 23.00 using the HP45 multi purpose ink. I buy 3 at a time but if I bought a volume I am sure he'd give me better pricing. Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:47 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Weight of HP 45 ink cartridges? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Thanks, Dennis. It's nice to know I was fighting a losing battle with the cartridges I replaced yesterday--they were close enough to empty to toss. I'll keep those figures handy for future diagnoses... Steve > > > > > A new HP 45 black-ink cartridge weighs about 4-1/16 oz. I'm not sure > > what an empty one weighs, but I have a suspect at about 3-1/16 oz. > > Before I make a mess drilling a hole in it, has anyone else already > > collected some data that they're willing to share? > > > Steve, A full cartridge of HP Versatile Black weighs in at 4.08 oz or > 115.8Grams. The empty cartridges weigh in the neighborhood of > 2.79 oz or 79.2 Grams. > > -- > Dennis Trump > Trump Direct > a print and direct mail communications company > Decatur IL > www.trumpdirect.com > trump@trumpdirect.com > 217.429.9001 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2592 (20071015) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.1/1079 - Release Date: 10/19/2007 5:10 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.1/1079 - Release Date: 10/19/2007 5:10 AM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From printian at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 13:44:10 2007 From: printian at gmail.com (Ian Franks) Date: Fri Oct 19 13:45:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Discounts for network members Message-ID: Hi I have joined a network My Genius and have done a free calendar for the network to raise my profile. I have now been asked if the network members get special prices from me. I am trying to get my head around why I should give a discount to group members. My initial thought was give them a 10% discount on all sales except outwork sales. Here we can only get between a 50 - 70% markup on outwork. How do you guys handle this? The other is to say less 10% if paid on delivery no credit cards. We have to pay a 5% commission on credit cards. -- Regards Ian Franks Print Image 3 Corlett Drive, Illovo, JHB Ph 011 447 3133 Fax 011 447 0642 sales@printimage.co.za www.printimage.co.za PS They say they want to go international and are looking for members in USA Australia New Zealand etc. Let me know if you want an invite. From printian at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 15:30:26 2007 From: printian at gmail.com (Ian Franks) Date: Fri Oct 19 15:30:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Discounts for network members Message-ID: David I have sent an invite. There is nothing to pay unless you want to be a Genius. I am not one. South Africa will be ready for the world cup. I can't afford the tickets and don't even want to go unless the vuvuzela is banned. Who are you supporting in the Rugby world cup final? -- Regards Ian Franks Print Image 3 Corlett Drive, Illovo, JHB Ph 011 447 3133 Fax 011 447 0642 sales@printimage.co.za www.printimage.co.za From info at desktopsxm.com Fri Oct 19 16:19:23 2007 From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint) Date: Fri Oct 19 16:19:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Discounts for network members In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: what world cup are you talking about? cricket, soccer, rugby Joel Brint Desktop Imaging St. Maarten Tel 542-4044 fax 543-1100 "The Printshop with a Difference" On Oct 19, 2007, at 3:30 PM, Ian Franks wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > David > I have sent an invite. There is nothing to pay unless you want to be a > Genius. I am not one. > South Africa will be ready for the world cup. I can't afford the > tickets and > don't even want to go unless the vuvuzela is banned. > Who are you supporting in the Rugby world cup final? > > -- > Regards > Ian Franks > Print Image > 3 Corlett Drive, Illovo, JHB > Ph 011 447 3133 > Fax 011 447 0642 > sales@printimage.co.za > www.printimage.co.za > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From char at themasterspress.com Fri Oct 19 16:50:13 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Fri Oct 19 16:55:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Vista OS Message-ID: <01b401c81291$b4513d40$0b01a8c0@CharXP> What is the word with you computer guru's on Vista these days. A guy at Dell told me last week that XP Pro would only be available for maybe 6 more months. I am panicking. I don't want to use Vista but if I get any new computers am I going to have to do that. Is Vista ready for "me" yet. :-) ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com From printian at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 16:57:04 2007 From: printian at gmail.com (Ian Franks) Date: Fri Oct 19 16:57:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Discounts for network members In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joel Sorry very confusing. First it is 2010 in SA for soccer. Then we must all support the Bokke in rugby world cup final tomorrow SA v Poms. The soccer world cup is massive for SA We are getting our first Underground train system in Johannesburg for this. I am between 2 stations so there is massive construction going on and they are laying cables everywhere so things are happening. Any way Argentina just beat France good on them. On 19/10/2007, Joel Brint wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > what world cup are you talking about? > cricket, soccer, rugby > > > -- Regards Ian Franks Print Image 3 Corlett Drive, Illovo, JHB Ph 011 447 3133 Fax 011 447 0642 sales@printimage.co.za www.printimage.co.za From jeff at hprinting.biz Fri Oct 19 17:18:30 2007 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Fri Oct 19 17:19:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Vista OS In-Reply-To: <01b401c81291$b4513d40$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <01b401c81291$b4513d40$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <20071019211830.27833.11151@hm-pop1.solinus.com> At 04:50 PM 10/19/2007, you wrote: >What is the word with you computer guru's on Vista these days. A guy at >Dell told me last week that XP Pro would only be available for maybe 6 more >months. I am panicking. I don't want to use Vista but if I get any new >computers am I going to have to do that. Is Vista ready for "me" yet. I just got a new RIP computer yesterday with XP Pro. Rip It said they haven't certified Vista yet. I'm not sure I'm ready for Vista yet at work because of the problem with finding drivers. I would be surprised that they would quit selling it. What's the purpose. If someone buys it, like I did, they'll eventually make more money as I'll probably upgrade to it before the computer is obsolete. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri Oct 19 17:34:00 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri Oct 19 17:37:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Vista OS In-Reply-To: <01b401c81291$b4513d40$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <01b401c81291$b4513d40$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <200710192136.l9JLanlD083062@i2bnetworks.com> Wait the 6 months, then longer if possible. While your waiting, go have a beer. S. At 01:50 PM 10/19/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >What is the word with you computer guru's on Vista these days. A guy at >Dell told me last week that XP Pro would only be available for maybe 6 more >months. I am panicking. I don't want to use Vista but if I get any new >computers am I going to have to do that. Is Vista ready for "me" yet. :-) >ch > >Charlene Sims > >The Master's Press, Inc >14550 Midway Road >Dallas, Tx 75244 >972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 >char@themasterspress.com >www.themasterspress.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2604 (20071019) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From sos at olympus.net Fri Oct 19 17:43:17 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri Oct 19 17:43:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Vista OS References: <01b401c81291$b4513d40$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <029c01c81299$0f4a6850$0300a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlene Sims" > What is the word with you computer guru's on Vista these days. A guy at > Dell told me last week that XP Pro would only be available for maybe 6 > more > months. I am panicking. I don't want to use Vista but if I get any new > computers am I going to have to do that. Is Vista ready for "me" yet. :-) ==================== XP was due to be discontinued soon, but Microsoft just recently announced that they will continue to sell new versions of XP for at least another 6 months due to customer demand. Vista is due to get its first Service Pack soon. Or was that last week? I don't know, I don't have Vista on any computer yet. XP works great. The new version of OSX is due soon as well, with over 300 new features, Leopard, Panther, Pussey cat, I don't know what it's called, but do we care about that either? Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Fri Oct 19 17:45:38 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Fri Oct 19 17:47:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Vista OS In-Reply-To: <01b401c81291$b4513d40$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <01b401c81291$b4513d40$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: Got a memo this week from our franchisor (FSI) and they said XP only available until the end of this year and then ALL computers would be available only with Vista. BTW, no guru here, just passing along info Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 3:50 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] Vista OS ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** What is the word with you computer guru's on Vista these days. From kellycrom at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 17:59:34 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Fri Oct 19 18:00:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Vista OS In-Reply-To: <029c01c81299$0f4a6850$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <01b401c81291$b4513d40$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <029c01c81299$0f4a6850$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <010b01c8129b$573e9850$6d01a8c0@KELLY> I also just read that Microsoft is releasing XP Service Pack 3 soon. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 4:43 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Vista OS > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charlene Sims" > > > What is the word with you computer guru's on Vista these > days. A guy at > > Dell told me last week that XP Pro would only be available > for maybe 6 > > more > > months. I am panicking. I don't want to use Vista but if > I get any new > > computers am I going to have to do that. Is Vista ready > for "me" yet. :-) > ==================== > > XP was due to be discontinued soon, but Microsoft just > recently announced > that they will continue to sell new versions of XP for at > least another 6 > months due to customer demand. > Vista is due to get its first Service Pack soon. Or was that > last week? I > don't know, I don't have Vista on any computer yet. > XP works great. > > The new version of OSX is due soon as well, with over 300 new > features, > Leopard, Panther, Pussey cat, I don't know what it's called, > but do we care > about that either? > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From char at themasterspress.com Fri Oct 19 18:04:19 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Fri Oct 19 18:07:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Vista OS In-Reply-To: <010b01c8129b$573e9850$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <01b401c81291$b4513d40$0b01a8c0@CharXP><029c01c81299$0f4a6850$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <010b01c8129b$573e9850$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <01ea01c8129b$ffc87fe0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Does that mean that XP Service Pack 3 will replace the Pro version instead of Vista. Or does it include Vista. I just have not seen anything about Vista being suited for business. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 5:00 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Vista OS ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I also just read that Microsoft is releasing XP Service Pack 3 soon. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 4:43 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Vista OS > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charlene Sims" > > > What is the word with you computer guru's on Vista these > days. A guy at > > Dell told me last week that XP Pro would only be available > for maybe 6 > > more > > months. I am panicking. I don't want to use Vista but if > I get any new > > computers am I going to have to do that. Is Vista ready > for "me" yet. :-) > ==================== > > XP was due to be discontinued soon, but Microsoft just > recently announced > that they will continue to sell new versions of XP for at > least another 6 > months due to customer demand. > Vista is due to get its first Service Pack soon. Or was that > last week? I > don't know, I don't have Vista on any computer yet. > XP works great. > > The new version of OSX is due soon as well, with over 300 new > features, > Leopard, Panther, Pussey cat, I don't know what it's called, > but do we care > about that either? > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From CurryDonald at stanleygroup.com Fri Oct 19 18:20:05 2007 From: CurryDonald at stanleygroup.com (Curry, Donald) Date: Fri Oct 19 18:20:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Post card rates Message-ID: <547C63C66C7D504F9828D81B43E5DDEE20EBBE@mus-ms3.stanleygroup.com> Looking for a clear answer on postcard rates .The chart that I have says 4 -1/4 max to 3-1/2 on height to 5" min to 6" max on length. We call the local post office they said that they would have to be one of them two sizes only not in between to get the 26 cent rate. Any one on the list know for sure. Don Curry Sycamore Printing 216 Sycamore Street, Suite Muscatine, Iowa 52761-3838 info@sycamoreink.com www.sycamoreink.com email; currydonaldcurry@stanleygroup.com From si at ria.net Fri Oct 19 18:44:28 2007 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Fri Oct 19 18:47:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Post card rates In-Reply-To: <547C63C66C7D504F9828D81B43E5DDEE20EBBE@mus-ms3.stanleygrou p.com> References: <547C63C66C7D504F9828D81B43E5DDEE20EBBE@mus-ms3.stanleygroup.com> Message-ID: <200710192247.l9JMl3o04967@plus50.host4u.net> At 06:20 PM 10/19/2007, Don Curry wrote: > Looking for a clear answer on postcard rates .The chart that > I have says 4 -1/4 max to 3-1/2 on height to 5" min to 6" > max on length. We call the local post office they said that > they would have to be one of them two sizes only not in > between to get the 26 cent rate. Any one on the list know > for sure. To qualify for the current 26c postcard rate: -- Minimum size 5 x 3.5 inches -- Maximum size 6 x 4.25 inches -- Any size in between is OK as long as the length divided by height aspect ratio falls between 1.3 and 2.5. The so-called quarter sheet postcard (5.5 x 4.25), with an aspect ratio of 1.294 does not qualify for the 26c rate, for example. -- Postcard thickness must be at least .007 inch, and not exceed 1/4 inch. Doug -- Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 18:46:19 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Fri Oct 19 18:53:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Post card rates In-Reply-To: <547C63C66C7D504F9828D81B43E5DDEE20EBBE@mus-ms3.stanleygroup.com> References: <547C63C66C7D504F9828D81B43E5DDEE20EBBE@mus-ms3.stanleygroup.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0710191546u746942f7jf15aee3a75191b0d@mail.gmail.com> On 10/19/07, Curry, Donald wrote: > > Looking for a clear answer on postcard rates .The chart that I have says > 4 -1/4 max to 3-1/2 on height to 5" min to 6" max on length. We call the > local post office they said that they would have to be one of them two > sizes only not in between to get the 26 cent rate. Any one on the list > know for sure. Ask the post office for a"Letter-size Mail Dimnsional Standards Template." In the lower left corner is a 3.5 x 5" white box -- the minimum size that can be mailed. In the upper right corner begins an irregularly shaped color area. When the lower left corner of your mailpiece is aligned with the lower left corner of the template, the upper right corner of the mailpiece must fall within the color area in order to mail at first class rates without a surcharge. That said, if it falls within this area and is sized anywhere between 3.5x5" and 4.25x6", it is mailable at the 26-cent postcard rate. (I think). If the duds in your particular post office think otherwise, then "otherwise" might be the operative word in your locality. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From gamble at choiceonemail.com Fri Oct 19 19:06:06 2007 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Fri Oct 19 19:06:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Post card rates In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0710191546u746942f7jf15aee3a75191b0d@mail.gmail.com> References: <547C63C66C7D504F9828D81B43E5DDEE20EBBE@mus-ms3.stanleygroup.com> <98f5b19a0710191546u746942f7jf15aee3a75191b0d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <030801c812a4$a125e190$0301a8c0@RICK> Donald, 4.25 x 6 is maximum for postcard and aspect ratio is only other aspect it must be rectangle not square (ie. 4 x 4 is not acceptable) also for postcard as a word of caution be sure to use at least .008 thickness stock and if you have the choice go to .010 that way your safe. Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. Buffalo, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 6:46 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Post card rates ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On 10/19/07, Curry, Donald wrote: > > Looking for a clear answer on postcard rates .The chart that I have says > 4 -1/4 max to 3-1/2 on height to 5" min to 6" max on length. We call the > local post office they said that they would have to be one of them two > sizes only not in between to get the 26 cent rate. Any one on the list > know for sure. Ask the post office for a"Letter-size Mail Dimnsional Standards Template." In the lower left corner is a 3.5 x 5" white box -- the minimum size that can be mailed. In the upper right corner begins an irregularly shaped color area. When the lower left corner of your mailpiece is aligned with the lower left corner of the template, the upper right corner of the mailpiece must fall within the color area in order to mail at first class rates without a surcharge. That said, if it falls within this area and is sized anywhere between 3.5x5" and 4.25x6", it is mailable at the 26-cent postcard rate. (I think). If the duds in your particular post office think otherwise, then "otherwise" might be the operative word in your locality. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From si at ria.net Fri Oct 19 19:12:34 2007 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Fri Oct 19 19:15:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Post card rates CORRECTION In-Reply-To: <200710192247.l9JMl3o04967@plus50.host4u.net> References: <547C63C66C7D504F9828D81B43E5DDEE20EBBE@mus-ms3.stanleygroup.com> <200710192247.l9JMl3o04967@plus50.host4u.net> Message-ID: <200710192315.l9JNF8d07984@plus50.host4u.net> Maximum postcard thickness is .016 inches. The quarter inch maximum applies to letter mail. My bad. Doug At 06:44 PM 10/19/2007, I wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >At 06:20 PM 10/19/2007, Don Curry wrote: > > > Looking for a clear answer on postcard rates .The chart that > > I have says 4 -1/4 max to 3-1/2 on height to 5" min to 6" > > max on length. We call the local post office they said that > > they would have to be one of them two sizes only not in > > between to get the 26 cent rate. Any one on the list know > > for sure. > >To qualify for the current 26c postcard rate: > >-- Minimum size 5 x 3.5 inches > >-- Maximum size 6 x 4.25 inches > >-- Any size in between is OK as long as the length divided by > height aspect ratio falls between 1.3 and 2.5. The so-called > quarter sheet postcard (5.5 x 4.25), with an aspect ratio of > 1.294 does not qualify for the 26c rate, for example. > >-- Postcard thickness must be at least .007 inch, and not > exceed 1/4 inch. -- Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From si at ria.net Fri Oct 19 19:38:58 2007 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Fri Oct 19 19:41:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] USPS Templates [WAS Post card rates] In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0710191546u746942f7jf15aee3a75191b0d@mail.gmail.co m> References: <547C63C66C7D504F9828D81B43E5DDEE20EBBE@mus-ms3.stanleygroup.com> <98f5b19a0710191546u746942f7jf15aee3a75191b0d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200710192341.l9JNfWh02029@plus50.host4u.net> At 06:46 PM 10/19/2007, Michael Vogel suggested: > Ask the post office for a "Letter-size Mail Dimensional > Standards Template." That's a good addition to any printer's toolbox. There are a couple of others, as well. PSIN NOT 3-A (the one Michael mentioned) Letter-Size Mail Dimensional Standards Template Stock Number 7610-03-000-9053 PSIN NOT 67 Automation Template Stock Number 7610-02-000-9906 PSIN NOT 124 Automation Flats Template Stock Number 7610-07-000-0165 Notice 67 Automation Template is especially useful when verifying proper position of FIM bars and PostNet bar codes. Doug -- Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From zapit at zapcolor.com Fri Oct 19 20:07:35 2007 From: zapit at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez) Date: Fri Oct 19 20:13:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New ZAP Delivery flamed vehicle - from West Coast Customs In-Reply-To: <20071019220021.D8177C1860E@rb.enter.net> References: <20071019220021.D8177C1860E@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Our new Prius "Green" vehicle painted by West Coast Customs along with the Astro Van from a couple of months ago. Don't forget to see their new show on TLC, Thurs nights, not a kid friendly show http://zapprinting.com/zap_delivery/Photos.html http://tinyurl.com/2wlwwq > Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri Oct 19 20:10:13 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri Oct 19 20:13:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Vista OS In-Reply-To: <01ea01c8129b$ffc87fe0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <01b401c81291$b4513d40$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <029c01c81299$0f4a6850$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <010b01c8129b$573e9850$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <01ea01c8129b$ffc87fe0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <200710200013.l9K0D32b010519@i2bnetworks.com> Char, service packs are major patches to fix a host of problems with an OS. XP is currently running Service Pack 2 (SP2) and XP SP3 when it is released will just fix a bunch of problems that current users have experienced, and maybe give it a little more enhanced functionality etc. Vista is a new OS and still has a lot of issues. If you have time to mess around with it, go ahead. I always wait until at least a service pack or two before upgrading an OS. Vista hasn't even had one yet so that gives you a little perspective. If you're a hobbiest or a computer nerd with no life than have at it. If you need to get things down and go from A to B as fast as possible many times a day (everyone on this list) then you wait until most of the hassles have past. Usually by Service Pack 2 the water's fine and you can jump on in. Computers are supposed to make us more efficient and profitable, not get in our way and give us grief. Here's an idea: You can buy XP licenses in advance (to put on any new hardware that you buy in the future) and keep them on the shelf until you need them. There is no reason anyone HAS to be forced into using Vista. Then, when you buy future workstations specify no OS to be installed and you can have someone install one of your extra XP licenses that you bought in advance and have sitting on the shelf. Too many people in the technology business force you to think you HAVE to do things a certain way, but the truth is you don't. S. At 03:04 PM 10/19/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Does that mean that XP Service Pack 3 will replace the Pro version instead >of Vista. Or does it include Vista. I just have not seen anything about >Vista being suited for business. >ch > >Charlene Sims > >The Master's Press, Inc >14550 Midway Road >Dallas, Tx 75244 >972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 >char@themasterspress.com >www.themasterspress.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Crom at Applied >Graphics >Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 5:00 PM >To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' >Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Vista OS > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I also just read that Microsoft is releasing XP Service Pack 3 soon. > >Kelly Crom >Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. > >We've Moved!!! >2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 >Plymouth, MN 55441 >New Phone: (763)231-6970 >kellycrom@gmail.com >www.applied-graphics.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford > > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 4:43 PM > > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Vista OS > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Charlene Sims" > > > > > What is the word with you computer guru's on Vista these > > days. A guy at > > > Dell told me last week that XP Pro would only be available > > for maybe 6 > > > more > > > months. I am panicking. I don't want to use Vista but if > > I get any new > > > computers am I going to have to do that. Is Vista ready > > for "me" yet. :-) > > ==================== > > > > XP was due to be discontinued soon, but Microsoft just > > recently announced > > that they will continue to sell new versions of XP for at > > least another 6 > > months due to customer demand. > > Vista is due to get its first Service Pack soon. Or was that > > last week? I > > don't know, I don't have Vista on any computer yet. > > XP works great. > > > > The new version of OSX is due soon as well, with over 300 new > > features, > > Leopard, Panther, Pussey cat, I don't know what it's called, > > but do we care > > about that either? > > > > Dan Huntingford > > SOS Printing > > 2319 Washington Street > > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > > sos@olympus.net > > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2604 (20071019) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From armand at curryonline.com Fri Oct 19 22:53:42 2007 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Fri Oct 19 22:53:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Vista OS In-Reply-To: <200710200013.l9K0D32b010519@i2bnetworks.com> References: <01b401c81291$b4513d40$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <029c01c81299$0f4a6850$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <010b01c8129b$573e9850$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <01ea01c8129b$ffc87fe0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <200710200013.l9K0D32b010519@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <14c301c812c4$6c9b34a0$45d19de0$@com> One problem you can encounter with buying XP licenses and installing them on future computers is that you may not be able to get drivers for embedded devices on the motherboard like video, audio and Ethernet. Intel is coming up with new devices soon that they do not plan on writing XP drivers for since XP will no longer be available. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 8:10 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Vista OS ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Char, service packs are major patches to fix a host of problems with an OS. XP is currently running Service Pack 2 (SP2) and XP SP3 when it is released will just fix a bunch of problems that current users have experienced, and maybe give it a little more enhanced functionality etc. Vista is a new OS and still has a lot of issues. If you have time to mess around with it, go ahead. I always wait until at least a service pack or two before upgrading an OS. Vista hasn't even had one yet so that gives you a little perspective. If you're a hobbiest or a computer nerd with no life than have at it. If you need to get things down and go from A to B as fast as possible many times a day (everyone on this list) then you wait until most of the hassles have past. Usually by Service Pack 2 the water's fine and you can jump on in. Computers are supposed to make us more efficient and profitable, not get in our way and give us grief. Here's an idea: You can buy XP licenses in advance (to put on any new hardware that you buy in the future) and keep them on the shelf until you need them. There is no reason anyone HAS to be forced into using Vista. Then, when you buy future workstations specify no OS to be installed and you can have someone install one of your extra XP licenses that you bought in advance and have sitting on the shelf. Too many people in the technology business force you to think you HAVE to do things a certain way, but the truth is you don't. S. At 03:04 PM 10/19/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Does that mean that XP Service Pack 3 will replace the Pro version instead >of Vista. Or does it include Vista. I just have not seen anything about >Vista being suited for business. >ch > >Charlene Sims > >The Master's Press, Inc >14550 Midway Road >Dallas, Tx 75244 >972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 >char@themasterspress.com >www.themasterspress.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Crom at Applied >Graphics >Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 5:00 PM >To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' >Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Vista OS > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I also just read that Microsoft is releasing XP Service Pack 3 soon. > >Kelly Crom >Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. > >We've Moved!!! >2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 >Plymouth, MN 55441 >New Phone: (763)231-6970 >kellycrom@gmail.com >www.applied-graphics.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford > > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 4:43 PM > > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Vista OS > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Charlene Sims" > > > > > What is the word with you computer guru's on Vista these > > days. A guy at > > > Dell told me last week that XP Pro would only be available > > for maybe 6 > > > more > > > months. I am panicking. I don't want to use Vista but if > > I get any new > > > computers am I going to have to do that. Is Vista ready > > for "me" yet. :-) > > ==================== > > > > XP was due to be discontinued soon, but Microsoft just > > recently announced > > that they will continue to sell new versions of XP for at > > least another 6 > > months due to customer demand. > > Vista is due to get its first Service Pack soon. Or was that > > last week? I > > don't know, I don't have Vista on any computer yet. > > XP works great. > > > > The new version of OSX is due soon as well, with over 300 new > > features, > > Leopard, Panther, Pussey cat, I don't know what it's called, > > but do we care > > about that either? > > > > Dan Huntingford > > SOS Printing > > 2319 Washington Street > > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > > sos@olympus.net > > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2604 (20071019) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mail at myprinter.biz Sat Oct 20 08:03:00 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Sat Oct 20 08:03:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Vista OS In-Reply-To: <200710200013.l9K0D32b010519@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: You can buy XP licenses in advance (to put on any new hardware that you buy in the future) and keep them on the shelf until you need them. There is no reason anyone HAS to be forced into using Vista. Then, when you buy future workstations specify no OS to be installed and you can have someone install one of your extra XP licenses that you bought in advance and have sitting on the shelf. Too many people in the technology business force you to think you HAVE to do things a certain way, but the truth is you don't. S. Scott - That's terrific advice and insightful commentary. I've heard stories about prepress being a hole into which profits vanish, but ALL software, with its substantial direct and indirect costs, is right up there in the running, because, not counting the first dollars out, there are costly learning curves and bugs for and in every new or upgraded OS and application program. Here's an example (proving, again, that I'm an idiot): My graphic folks talked me into snapping up and installing CS3 the second it was available, and during the intervening period, we've not had a single file written in 3 submitted, haven't created a single piece of art that couldn't have been created 99% as easily in CS2, and are having to down-save our files to CS1 for our two major spot-color business card vendors (one of the BCT)...but boy do we feel "cool" because we've got the latest "stuff." (P.S. Okay, now your reputation's REALLY sullied...and the beer's on me.) Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 8:10 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Vista OS ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Char, service packs are major patches to fix a host of problems with an OS. XP is currently running Service Pack 2 (SP2) and XP SP3 when it is released will just fix a bunch of problems that current users have experienced, and maybe give it a little more enhanced functionality etc. Vista is a new OS and still has a lot of issues. If you have time to mess around with it, go ahead. I always wait until at least a service pack or two before upgrading an OS. Vista hasn't even had one yet so that gives you a little perspective. If you're a hobbiest or a computer nerd with no life than have at it. If you need to get things down and go from A to B as fast as possible many times a day (everyone on this list) then you wait until most of the hassles have past. Usually by Service Pack 2 the water's fine and you can jump on in. Computers are supposed to make us more efficient and profitable, not get in our way and give us grief. Here's an idea: You can buy XP licenses in advance (to put on any new hardware that you buy in the future) and keep them on the shelf until you need them. There is no reason anyone HAS to be forced into using Vista. Then, when you buy future workstations specify no OS to be installed and you can have someone install one of your extra XP licenses that you bought in advance and have sitting on the shelf. Too many people in the technology business force you to think you HAVE to do things a certain way, but the truth is you don't. S. At 03:04 PM 10/19/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Does that mean that XP Service Pack 3 will replace the Pro version instead >of Vista. Or does it include Vista. I just have not seen anything about >Vista being suited for business. >ch > >Charlene Sims > >The Master's Press, Inc >14550 Midway Road >Dallas, Tx 75244 >972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 >char@themasterspress.com >www.themasterspress.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Crom at Applied >Graphics >Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 5:00 PM >To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' >Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Vista OS > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I also just read that Microsoft is releasing XP Service Pack 3 soon. > >Kelly Crom >Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. > >We've Moved!!! >2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 >Plymouth, MN 55441 >New Phone: (763)231-6970 >kellycrom@gmail.com >www.applied-graphics.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford > > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 4:43 PM > > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Vista OS > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Charlene Sims" > > > > > What is the word with you computer guru's on Vista these > > days. A guy at > > > Dell told me last week that XP Pro would only be available > > for maybe 6 > > > more > > > months. I am panicking. I don't want to use Vista but if > > I get any new > > > computers am I going to have to do that. Is Vista ready > > for "me" yet. :-) > > ==================== > > > > XP was due to be discontinued soon, but Microsoft just > > recently announced > > that they will continue to sell new versions of XP for at > > least another 6 > > months due to customer demand. > > Vista is due to get its first Service Pack soon. Or was that > > last week? I > > don't know, I don't have Vista on any computer yet. > > XP works great. > > > > The new version of OSX is due soon as well, with over 300 new > > features, > > Leopard, Panther, Pussey cat, I don't know what it's called, > > but do we care > > about that either? > > > > Dan Huntingford > > SOS Printing > > 2319 Washington Street > > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > > sos@olympus.net > > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2604 (20071019) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Sat Oct 20 10:53:11 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Sat Oct 20 10:53:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Vista OS Message-ID: Hi Charlene. WE are already getting files from customer's with vista. For now we are having them save their work as a wrod file or pdf. The madness gas started. Thank you Bill Gates. NOT!! Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Sat Oct 20 11:10:37 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Sat Oct 20 11:10:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: ? Message-ID: Here is a quote from the KM sales rep. Just want to know if he is correct or not. I've never heard of this in our forum. I send me guys with some of our orders to process on the 6500 with all the stocks that we use. IMPRESSIV with 600 dpi. We look forward to see what the Xerox 242 2400 dpi prints with same jobs & papers. By eliminating the staple finisher, you lose an extremely important benefit of the machine. By only configuring it with an output tray (which is not an offset tray), the relay unit can not be configured. The relay unit is installed between the main body and the output finishers. This unit has 5 fans in it, and performs the function of blowing cool air as your output is dispersed. Two things happen as a result; 1 - Your thicker paper is de-curled, and 2- the image is dry and stabilized. These are both critical functions if you're expecting to run thick coated stocks/ Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From cpurvine1 at cox.net Sat Oct 20 12:34:13 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Sat Oct 20 15:10:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Post card rates In-Reply-To: <030801c812a4$a125e190$0301a8c0@RICK> References: <547C63C66C7D504F9828D81B43E5DDEE20EBBE@mus-ms3.stanleygroup.com><98f5b19a0710191546u746942f7jf15aee3a75191b0d@mail.gmail.com> <030801c812a4$a125e190$0301a8c0@RICK> Message-ID: <004d01c81337$0ca88980$6601a8c0@corapurvine> We just had to redo a small order (thank goodness) or postcards that we did on 65# card stock because it didn't measure .009 for a 4x6" post card. We should have done it on 80#. We can do the 4.25x5.5" on 65# though. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Sat Oct 20 12:25:50 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Sat Oct 20 15:14:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] I can't make this stuff up Message-ID: This is what I've learned about the finisher/catch tray: If you buy the 6500 with the Fiery, the catch tray will not stop when full. It was never programmed by Fiery to do so. Not sure about the Creo rip. BUT, your sales rep is not giving you accurate information...... This machine does have a fan blowing down onto the stock in the catch tray....... However, the fan is to keep the stock laying down so the next sheet does not hit it, not to dry the copies or decurl them (he-he, that was a good one from your rep!) Also, we print 14 point 13x19 all week long, and believe me, the heavy stock does not need to be de-curled or held in place by the output fan. Service in our town is very spotty (crappy) to say the least, we have had two machines for 2 months, neither company can fix certain problems on their respective brands. Just as unfortunate are the sales reps. They do not know what the features and benefits of the machines are in my town. I would like to purchase 1 or both of these, but we are waiting for either company to decide if they want to step up to the plate and learn how to service their equipment professionally. Good thing we have two test units. Our only agreement is that we will buy one if they can keep it running for a 2 week period and know how to fix any problem that comes up. They have not been able to do that since August 1st. 2 1/2 months! They even sent a specialist from Fiery over a month ago......who installed the latest software downloads.....only to have the service tech from the company notice a week later that the software was not the latest version, so he downloaded and installed newer software.....(I can't make this stuff up!) Here's the latest from 4 days ago: One of the LCT drawers stopped feeding. Tech couldn't fix it. He R/R the other LCT drawer's feed unit and swapped them with each other. Oddly the one that didn't work is working in the other LCT. But, the tech still has no idea how to repair it. It's just a temp fix. I find this whole issue to be pretty funny in a sad way, if only because we have not paid a cent for service or equipment on these machines for over 2 months.....although I'd like to stop the nonsense and put it behind us. No tech support is not good. We may honestly purchase 3 from the one company who has had more LUCK with their equipment, just to have 1 or 2 running at all times. They are cheap enough and small enough. They do a good job when running....which is most of the time, just not two weeks straight Larry (having fun in the print industry) Taylor DPP Tucson Here is a quote from the KM sales rep. Just want to know if he is correct or not. I've never heard of this in our forum. >>>.> I send me guys with some of our orders to process on the 6500 with all the stocks that we use. IMPRESSIV with 600 dpi. We look forward to see what the Xerox 242 2400 dpi prints with same jobs & papers.<<<<< Someone has funny way to write I thin By eliminating the staple finisher, you lose an extremely important benefit of the machine. By only configuring it with an output tray (which is not an offset tray), the relay unit can not be configured. The relay unit is installed between the main body and the output finishers. This unit has 5 fans in it, and performs the function of blowing cool air as your output is dispersed. Two things happen as a result; 1 - Your thicker paper is de-curled, and 2- the image is dry and stabilized. These are both critical functions if you're expecting to run thick coated stocks/ Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 From ron at printingconcepts.com Sat Oct 20 13:42:36 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Sat Oct 20 15:22:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Jet Envelope Press Message-ID: We are considering buying a used or rebuilt Halm Jet Press for envelopes, or might consider other brand (Whitacre or Diamond?). Does anyone on this list have any experience with operating/buying one of these presses? Specifically: 1. Years/Models to stay away from 2. Experience with dealers/rebuilders 3. Can a very good press operator pick these up pretty easily? 4. Do they require a lot of upkeep and maintenance? Thanks Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "To each there comes in their lifetime a special moment when they are figuratively tapped on the shoulder and offered the chance to do a very special thing, unique to them and fitted to their talents. What a tragedy if that moment finds them unprepared or unqualified for that which could have been their finest hour." --Winston Churchill "When a nation has allowed itself to fall under a tyrannical regime, it cannot be absolved from the faults due to the guilt of the regime." --Winston Churchill Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Sat Oct 20 16:11:19 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Sat Oct 20 16:11:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] I can't make this stuff up Message-ID: Hey thanks Larry for putting a smile on my face. It just boogles my mind how that just place units & hope that no one will notice. : ) I'm still in the bargaining stage with KM & Xerox. Support for both will be good consdeirng they are both located with in 3 miles from me. Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From kellycrom at gmail.com Sat Oct 20 17:20:14 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Sat Oct 20 17:20:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Vista OS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000d01c8135f$02684d70$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Tommy Vista is the OS not the software you receive the files from. You probably mean that the files are created in Office 2007. If you have Office 2003, you can download a free add-on(from Microsoft) that will allow you to open Office 2007 files(Word, Excel, Publisher, etc) in 2003 versions. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of > VillagePrinting1@aol.com > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 9:53 AM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Vista OS > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hi Charlene. WE are already getting files from customer's > with vista. For > now we are having them save their work as a wrod file or > pdf. The madness > gas started. Thank you Bill Gates. NOT!! > > Tommy Melendez > > Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. > 3612 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > NAQP Member #1031539 > 718.904.7760 > 718.892.2315 Fax > _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From k_graham at hotmail.com Sat Oct 20 18:09:02 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Sat Oct 20 18:09:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] I can't make this stuff up References: Message-ID: I> > Hey thanks Larry for putting a smile on my face. It just boogles my mind > how that just place units & hope that no one will notice. : ) I'm > still in > the bargaining stage with KM & Xerox. Support for both will be good > consdeirng they are both located with in 3 miles from me. > > I'm a believer in having 2 demo units as the ultimate bargaining weapon. Way to go Larry. How come you haven't a 262 there as the 3rd option? Be careful about software upgrades, often the computer software also has a driver (ppd) upgrade and technician may not bother. I figure this may be where Ikon went wrong when patching mine for the CPP500 glossy toner. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com. From k_graham at hotmail.com Sat Oct 20 18:18:34 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Sat Oct 20 18:18:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Vista OS References: Message-ID: > > You can buy XP licenses in advance (to put on any new hardware that > you buy in the future) and keep them on the shelf until you need > them. There is no reason anyone HAS to be forced into using Vista. > Then, when you buy future workstations specify no OS to be installed > and you can have someone install one of your extra XP licenses that > you bought in advance and have sitting on the shelf. > > Too many people in the technology business force you to think you > HAVE to do things a certain way, but the truth is you don't. > Been there by buying 3 of Windows 2000 Professional when XP was out - intially it doesn't matter but eventually one finds the later system has improved features & Microsoft gets their act together and releases a service pack or 2 that fixes it. It should be cheaper to buy a bundled operating system "Vista" . And install XP if needed for now as a 2nd, eventually it should not be necessary. Too bad microsoft doesn't provide a 2 operating system option for a 10% software surcharge. Also seems hard to buy Professional, that also seems to be necessary vs a consumer system. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 Dawson Creek BC Canada V1G 2G5 250-782-7108 From championprinting at yahoo.com Sat Oct 20 20:24:23 2007 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Sat Oct 20 20:24:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Post card rates Message-ID: <544003.22297.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You are implying that the redo was because the post card fell short of the thickness requirement. The thickness requirement for a post card is .007 (last I checked), not .009. Get yourself a copy of the USPS Quick Service Guide (free at any post office) so no one can BS you on these matters. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Cora Purvine To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 12:34:13 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Post card rates ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We just had to redo a small order (thank goodness) or postcards that we did on 65# card stock because it didn't measure .009 for a 4x6" post card. We should have done it on 80#. We can do the 4.25x5.5" on 65# though. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Sun Oct 21 00:49:57 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Sun Oct 21 00:50:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] No sense of urgency Message-ID: Hey thanks Larry for putting a smile on my face. It just boogles my mind > how that just place units & hope that no one will notice. : ) I'm > still in > the bargaining stage with KM & Xerox. Support for both will be good > consdeirng they are both located with in 3 miles from me. > > I'm a believer in having 2 demo units as the ultimate bargaining weapon. How come you haven't a 262 there as the 3rd option? Be careful about software upgrades, often the computer software also has a driver (ppd) upgrade and technician may not bother. I figure this may be where Ikon went wrong when patching mine for the CPP500 glossy toner. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com. Hey Tommy.......in Tucson, if either KM or IKON were right next door to our print shop, they still couldn't fix the problems, because they don't know how. As for the 262....X told me it was a faster version of the prior model, and that wasn't what we were looking for. As for Fiery: I would think if they fly a guy out from LA to our shop, he would know about his software and how it relates to Windows. Not so. I'm never surprised anymore when a bonehead procedure takes place with service techs and copier/printers. I've had as many as 5 Xerox managers in my office trying to intimidate me and tell me that a machine we owned would do something that they could not make it do only 5 minutes earlier. Huh?... do they think if enough people tell me enough times that I'm wrong, that I will suddenly believe them? In the mean time, I have issued a P.O., signed an equipment order, and nothing gets paid until they feel like learning how to fix their equipment. I email that update to the sales manager each week, and I guess they just want to give me the machine or something. c. Larry Desert Pacific Tucson From k_graham at hotmail.com Sun Oct 21 01:29:50 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Sun Oct 21 01:30:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] No sense of urgency References: Message-ID: >As for the 262....X told me it was a faster version of the prior model, and >that wasn't what we were >looking for. Doesn't mean you have to take it, only that your giving it a free trial, then you can tell them its not what you were looking for. Truth be told the Xerox 240, 250 we have does Coated 2 sides 80# fine through Duplexer, better than the sorry serviced Ikon C500 we had. I don't know if the faster 260 would do the coated duplexed through duplexer as well as the 240 or be worse due to the possibly excessive speed. As a comparison to the Doc 12, during 4 months use with CPP500 we did 50% of copies on the Doc 12 and that was trying to do as many on the cheaper costing CPP500. During first 4 months with Xerox 250 we did over 90% with the 250. The Doc 12 gets used for T-shirt transfers, some super glossy cards that only Fuser oil can provide, and off the glass copies while the 240 is running. My only possible regret would be not getting a good comparison demo of Creo vs Fiery. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 Dawson Creek BC Canada V1G 2G5 From cpurvine1 at cox.net Sun Oct 21 15:29:40 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Sun Oct 21 15:29:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Post card rates In-Reply-To: <544003.22297.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <544003.22297.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003401c81418$ba0ddb20$6601a8c0@corapurvine> Ted, I put the size in my last post wrong. it was 5.5x8.5" sorry. That has to be .009. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ted Gelletly Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 7:24 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Post card rates ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** You are implying that the redo was because the post card fell short of the thickness requirement. The thickness requirement for a post card is .007 (last I checked), not .009. Get yourself a copy of the USPS Quick Service Guide (free at any post office) so no one can BS you on these matters. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Cora Purvine To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 12:34:13 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Post card rates ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We just had to redo a small order (thank goodness) or postcards that we did on 65# card stock because it didn't measure .009 for a 4x6" post card. We should have done it on 80#. We can do the 4.25x5.5" on 65# though. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2604 (20071019) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From cpurvine1 at cox.net Sun Oct 21 15:44:39 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Sun Oct 21 15:44:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Thermography on your copier with fuser oil In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003a01c8141a$d192e770$6601a8c0@corapurvine> Ken, have you tried running any copies from your Doc 12 through a thermography unit? On our CLC 1000, we did VERY acceptable thermography. Something about the fuser oil, I think and the heat made the print raise. We still have the thermography machine, but now we don't have a copier that has the fuser oil, so....: ( Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From bgallagher at nbn.net Sun Oct 21 18:59:43 2007 From: bgallagher at nbn.net (Bob Gallagher) Date: Sun Oct 21 18:59:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10/20/07 11:10 AM, "VillagePrinting1@aol.com" wrote: The relay unit is > installed between the main body and the output finishers. This unit has 5 fans > in it, > and performs the function of blowing cool air as your output is dispersed. > Two things happen as a result; 1 - Your thicker paper is de-curled, and 2- > the > image is dry and stabilized. These are both critical functions if you're > expecting to run thick coated stocks/ > This is true. This unit substantially cools the thicker stocks down and keeps them from curling. You want the large capacity air fed drawers, #4 and 5 on the feed end and the relay unit which does the decurling on the output end. You also want the external RIP, either Fiery or Creo. Check our new website Bob Gallagher Gallagher Printing, Inc. 601 W. Main Street Palmyra, PA 17078 717-838-1527 1-888-838-1527 Fax 717-838-5715 http://www.gallagherprint.com An Adobe Service Provider A Microsoft Publisher Provider Member, Adobe Solutions Network From k_graham at hotmail.com Sun Oct 21 19:31:48 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Sun Oct 21 19:32:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Thermography on your copier with fuser oil References: <003a01c8141a$d192e770$6601a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: > > Ken, have you tried running any copies from your Doc 12 through a > thermography unit? On our CLC 1000, we did VERY acceptable thermography. > Something about the fuser oil, I think and the heat made the print raise. > We > still have the thermography machine, but now we don't have a copier that > has > the fuser oil, so....: ( > No, if I could find an inexpensive unit it would be nice to try. First I have to get my last acquisition running before my wife will be convinced of yet another machine, I picked up a Foilmax on Ebay but with no manual. This is supposed to have foil stick to toner, but my intitial attempt at foiling a sheet of cards has the toner lifting off the sheet not the foil lifting off the roll. Anyone with recommended temperature, speed settings or a manual? Also will it work with toner from a color copier or only Black only copiers? Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 Dawson Creek BC Canada V1G 2G5 From wayne at printingonline.com Mon Oct 22 02:16:22 2007 From: wayne at printingonline.com (Wayne Yada) Date: Mon Oct 22 02:16:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Post card rates In-Reply-To: <544003.22297.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <544003.22297.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001101c81473$17e00110$47a00330$@com> A Southern California PIA newsletter recently reported on a printer who had printed some 80,000 jumbo postcards, which DO require .009 thickness for standard rates. The printer DID know this, but selected a 110# index for the job. They didn't bother to verify the thickness as the manufacturer listed it at/above .009. Anyway, they printed these 80,000 postcard, with plans to drop them in 5,000 increments for their customer. The first two orders sailed right through, but the third one was red-flagged at the post office because it's thickness was only .0089+, and none of their samples made the .009 minimum. Bottom line was that they refused to process the order at standard automated rates. The printer had to "eat" the job. Wayne Yada wayne@printingonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ted Gelletly Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 5:24 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Post card rates ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** You are implying that the redo was because the post card fell short of the thickness requirement. The thickness requirement for a post card is .007 (last I checked), not .009. Get yourself a copy of the USPS Quick Service Guide (free at any post office) so no one can BS you on these matters. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Cora Purvine To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 12:34:13 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Post card rates ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We just had to redo a small order (thank goodness) or postcards that we did on 65# card stock because it didn't measure .009 for a 4x6" post card. We should have done it on 80#. We can do the 4.25x5.5" on 65# though. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From acepm2 at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 06:10:16 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Mon Oct 22 06:10:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New ZAP Delivery flamed vehicle - from West Coast Customs In-Reply-To: References: <20071019220021.D8177C1860E@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Eugene, Honestly I believe that you win the "delivery of the year" award for the best looking delivery vehicles!!! They are too cool!! I'm EXTREMELY impressed. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On 10/19/07, Eugene Montanez wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Our new Prius "Green" vehicle painted by West Coast Customs along > with the Astro Van from a couple of months ago. > > Don't forget to see their new show on TLC, Thurs nights, not a kid > friendly show > > http://zapprinting.com/zap_delivery/Photos.html > > > http://tinyurl.com/2wlwwq > > > > > Eugene Montanez > ZAP Printing & Graphics > 127 Radio Rd > Corona, CA 92879 > 951-734-8181 > > Zapit@zapcolor.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From acepm2 at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 06:12:10 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Mon Oct 22 06:12:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Weight of HP 45 ink cartridges? In-Reply-To: <001301c8126e$8b0e93b0$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> References: <47134BA7.13812.108DD9@slb.inkspot.net> <4714A4C9.15398.554BBF0@slb.inkspot.net> <026901c8126c$1d35c450$0301a8c0@RICK> <001301c8126e$8b0e93b0$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> Message-ID: Thank you Kathleen!! :) :) Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On 10/19/07, Kathy Henry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Wait a minute, Dennis isn't the "Self-Proclaimed Mailing God", that person > would be Thom. Dennis is "Humble Mailing God". > > Kathleen Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing > kathy@mpcny.com > > 125 East First Street > PO Box 815 > Oswego, NY 13126 > (315) 343-3531 > (315) 343-3577 (fax) > (315) 532-0943 (cell) > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Rick Bird > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:22 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Weight of HP 45 ink cartridges? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Thanks Dennis, > > Leave it to the self proclaimed "Mailing God" to have the info. I > use bladders and refilled cartridges the refills are 23.00 using the HP45 > multi purpose ink. I buy 3 at a time but if I bought a volume I am sure he'd > give me better pricing. > > Rick Bird > Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. > 3649 California Road > Orchard Park, NY 14127 > (716) 662-1515 > (716) 662-5917 - fax > gamble@choiceonemail.com - email > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:47 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Weight of HP 45 ink cartridges? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Thanks, Dennis. It's nice to know I was fighting a losing battle with > the cartridges I replaced yesterday--they were close enough to empty > to toss. I'll keep those figures handy for future diagnoses... > > Steve > > > > > > > > > A new HP 45 black-ink cartridge weighs about 4-1/16 oz. I'm not sure > > > what an empty one weighs, but I have a suspect at about 3-1/16 oz. > > > Before I make a mess drilling a hole in it, has anyone else already > > > collected some data that they're willing to share? > > > > > > Steve, A full cartridge of HP Versatile Black weighs in at 4.08 oz or > > 115.8Grams. The empty cartridges weigh in the neighborhood of > > 2.79 oz or 79.2 Grams. > > > > -- > > Dennis Trump > > Trump Direct > > a print and direct mail communications company > > Decatur IL > > www.trumpdirect.com > > trump@trumpdirect.com > > 217.429.9001 > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > __________ NOD32 2592 (20071015) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.1/1079 - Release Date: 10/19/2007 > 5:10 AM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.1/1079 - Release Date: 10/19/2007 > 5:10 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Mon Oct 22 09:06:14 2007 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Mon Oct 22 09:06:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for a new host provider Message-ID: <471CA046.4090302@sugarloafprint.com> What a nightmare I had with iPower.com. Now that everything is resolved (I think anyway), I plan on changing host providers. It seems that there is no "perfect" provider, but after googleing around and reading reviews I found these three that "seem" promising www.ixwebhosting.com www.lunarpages.com www.bluehost.com Good, Bad or Ugly, would anybody like to share their experience with these three or anyone else they are using? Your input would be appreciated. Thanks! -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From championprinting at yahoo.com Mon Oct 22 09:17:03 2007 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Mon Oct 22 09:17:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Post card rates Message-ID: <576679.92697.qm@web38910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mills identify some items as USPS .009 compliant (such as Astrobright Terra Green & Solar Yellow 65# cover and NO others). We are pretty cautious about any questionable stock and will ask for the mill to certify the thickness. If they won't, we select a stock that the mill will stand behind. No need to go it alone like the printer in Wayne's example. We try not to throw the "post card" name around when the USPS calls a 5.5 x 8.5 piece a letter. We call them "jumbo cards", but never post cards. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Wayne Yada To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 2:16:22 AM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Post card rates ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** A Southern California PIA newsletter recently reported on a printer who had printed some 80,000 jumbo postcards, which DO require .009 thickness for standard rates. The printer DID know this, but selected a 110# index for the job. They didn't bother to verify the thickness as the manufacturer listed it at/above .009. Anyway, they printed these 80,000 postcard, with plans to drop them in 5,000 increments for their customer. The first two orders sailed right through, but the third one was red-flagged at the post office because it's thickness was only .0089+, and none of their samples made the .009 minimum. Bottom line was that they refused to process the order at standard automated rates. The printer had to "eat" the job. Wayne Yada wayne@printingonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ted Gelletly Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 5:24 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Post card rates ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** You are implying that the redo was because the post card fell short of the thickness requirement. The thickness requirement for a post card is .007 (last I checked), not .009. Get yourself a copy of the USPS Quick Service Guide (free at any post office) so no one can BS you on these matters. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Cora Purvine To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 12:34:13 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Post card rates ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We just had to redo a small order (thank goodness) or postcards that we did on 65# card stock because it didn't measure .009 for a 4x6" post card. We should have done it on 80#. We can do the 4.25x5.5" on 65# though. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From steve at toledoprinter.com Mon Oct 22 09:39:26 2007 From: steve at toledoprinter.com (West Printing) Date: Mon Oct 22 09:40:35 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for a new host provider In-Reply-To: <471CA046.4090302@sugarloafprint.com> Message-ID: <000c01c814b0$f75e9670$1901a8c0@SuperiorImpressions.local> I have used Aplus.net for over 6 years without a problem. They have proved to be of great help and quite reliable. I can talk with someone who speaks quality English 24 hrs. a day. They are constantly upgrading the features of their control panel. More stuff than I'll ever use. Pricing is very competitive. Steve Robison West Printing Co. 327 12th Street, Toledo, OH 43604 Ph. 419.246.0857, steve@toledoprinter.com **************************************** Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Sardo Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 9:06 AM To: Print Owners Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for a new host provider ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** What a nightmare I had with iPower.com. Now that everything is resolved (I think anyway), I plan on changing host providers. It seems that there is no "perfect" provider, but after googleing around and reading reviews I found these three that "seem" promising www.ixwebhosting.com www.lunarpages.com www.bluehost.com Good, Bad or Ugly, would anybody like to share their experience with these three or anyone else they are using? Your input would be appreciated. Thanks! -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 . Fax: 570-788-6077 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From info at towinglogs.com Mon Oct 22 09:47:08 2007 From: info at towinglogs.com (Paul DiModica) Date: Mon Oct 22 09:46:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for a new host provider In-Reply-To: <000c01c814b0$f75e9670$1901a8c0@SuperiorImpressions.local> References: <000c01c814b0$f75e9670$1901a8c0@SuperiorImpressions.local> Message-ID: <471CA9DC.10204@towinglogs.com> We use Hostgator.com to host our website. The good thing about these guys is that you can have sub-domains and all can work one your one hosting account. I have 4 websites and host them all through one payment plan. Paul DiModica Mayflower Publishing Cranston, RI From cpurvine1 at cox.net Mon Oct 22 10:21:58 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Mon Oct 22 10:22:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Thermography on your copier with fuser oil In-Reply-To: References: <003a01c8141a$d192e770$6601a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <00b701c814b6$e8145870$6601a8c0@corapurvine> Ken, we have one of the original machine than was made out of metal. I understand that now they are made out of plastic so I am hoping mine will last forever You have to buy a special kind of foil that will stick to the toner. I get mine from Crown Roll Leaf 1-800-631-3831 and buy the long rolls. They will cut it to any size you want, but we bought the foil cutter also and save a lot on foil by cutting it the size we need here. I have also altered my machine so that the 1" cores will fit on it. If you order the 1/2" cores to fit the spindle that comes with the machine, the foil costs a lot more. I have had the best luck using HP machines to run the toner. If there is any oil in the toner it will not work. Also the paper has to be really smooth. I use the cardstock setting. I still haven't found a black card stock that I am happy with for running the foil. I have been looking for over 5 years....: ( I have made a lot of money with my machine. Basil, from Australia that used to be on this list, only does foil and does it with this kind of machine. Let me know if you have any other questions. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz No, if I could find an inexpensive unit it would be nice to try. First I have to get my last acquisition running before my wife will be convinced of yet another machine, I picked up a Foilmax on Ebay but with no manual. This is supposed to have foil stick to toner, but my intitial attempt at foiling a sheet of cards has the toner lifting off the sheet not the foil lifting off the roll. Anyone with recommended temperature, speed settings or a manual? Also will it work with toner from a color copier or only Black only copiers? Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 Dawson Creek BC Canada V1G 2G5 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2607 (20071022) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From char at themasterspress.com Mon Oct 22 10:50:20 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Mon Oct 22 10:54:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Post card rates In-Reply-To: <200710192247.l9JMl3o04967@plus50.host4u.net> References: <547C63C66C7D504F9828D81B43E5DDEE20EBBE@mus-ms3.stanleygroup.com> <200710192247.l9JMl3o04967@plus50.host4u.net> Message-ID: <02b601c814ba$e9536b50$0b01a8c0@CharXP> It is very interesting how many answers to the thickness of a postcard. .007, .008, .009, .014 maybe more. If we printers don't even have the correct info how are our customers suppose to. The last info I remember from the post office is the .009 like Wayne said with the rejected cards. I am just amazed at the confusion and different answers. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com From russ at mobile-print.com Mon Oct 22 12:18:18 2007 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Mon Oct 22 11:20:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Post card rates In-Reply-To: <02b601c814ba$e9536b50$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <547C63C66C7D504F9828D81B43E5DDEE20EBBE@mus-ms3.stanleygroup.com> <200710192247.l9JMl3o04967@plus50.host4u.net> <02b601c814ba$e9536b50$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <471CCD4A.5060604@mobile-print.com> From the DMM (Domestic Mail Manual): 6.3.2 Postcard Dimensions Each card (each stamped card or postcard or each half of a double stamped card or postcard) claimed at a card rate must be: a. Rectangular. b. Not less than 3-1/2 inches high, 5 inches long, and 0.007 inch thick. c. Not more than 4-1/4 inches high, or more than 6 inches long, or greater than 0.016 inch thick. Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847-398-6155 Fax: 847-398-0788 Charlene Sims wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > It is very interesting how many answers to the thickness of a postcard. > .007, .008, .009, .014 maybe more. If we printers don't even have the > correct info how are our customers suppose to. The last info I remember > from the post office is the .009 like Wayne said with the rejected cards. > I am just amazed at the confusion and different answers. > ch > > Charlene Sims > > The Master's Press, Inc > 14550 Midway Road > Dallas, Tx 75244 > 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 > char@themasterspress.com > www.themasterspress.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From markath1 at verizon.net Mon Oct 22 11:15:28 2007 From: markath1 at verizon.net (Rick Martin) Date: Mon Oct 22 11:21:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Post card rates In-Reply-To: <02b601c814ba$e9536b50$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <002b01c814be$64d595c0$650a0a0a@advanced8l9v8x> .007 is acceptable as long as the cards are 4 x 6 - over 4 x 6, the requirement is for .009 Rick Martin Advanced Print & Copy 229 Memorial Avenue W Springfield, MA 01089 413-736-9808 markath1@verizon.net www.advancedprintandcopy.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 10:50 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Post card rates ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** It is very interesting how many answers to the thickness of a postcard. .007, .008, .009, .014 maybe more. If we printers don't even have the correct info how are our customers suppose to. The last info I remember from the post office is the .009 like Wayne said with the rejected cards. I am just amazed at the confusion and different answers. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From char at themasterspress.com Mon Oct 22 11:39:50 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Mon Oct 22 11:42:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02d201c814c1$c84e2fb0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Tommy I don't know about the drying part - that sounds weird. It cools it off which helps the paper not so much curl but on the C500 it can be wavy because of the heat. But there is nothing wet to dry. On the delivery tray, that is what I was trying to explain to you on the phone. The single output tray does not move. It just catches and only a very small amount. You have to have either the stapler or the booklet maker in order to have the receding tray that moves down with your stock. The stapler unit is much less than the booklet maker system. That is why I was advising that unit. But you must have one of them to recede for any kind of production. I have heard the de-curling statement from a number of people. I don't understand it but the paper is different and not as wavy coming out of the 6500 as it is the C500. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of VillagePrinting1@aol.com Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 10:11 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: ? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Here is a quote from the KM sales rep. Just want to know if he is correct or not. I've never heard of this in our forum. I send me guys with some of our orders to process on the 6500 with all the stocks that we use. IMPRESSIV with 600 dpi. We look forward to see what the Xerox 242 2400 dpi prints with same jobs & papers. By eliminating the staple finisher, you lose an extremely important benefit of the machine. By only configuring it with an output tray (which is not an offset tray), the relay unit can not be configured. The relay unit is installed between the main body and the output finishers. This unit has 5 fans in it, and performs the function of blowing cool air as your output is dispersed. Two things happen as a result; 1 - Your thicker paper is de-curled, and 2- the image is dry and stabilized. These are both critical functions if you're expecting to run thick coated stocks/ Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From k_graham at hotmail.com Mon Oct 22 11:57:10 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (Ken Graham) Date: Mon Oct 22 11:58:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Thermography on your copier with fuser oil In-Reply-To: <00b701c814b6$e8145870$6601a8c0@corapurvine> References: <003a01c8141a$d192e770$6601a8c0@corapurvine> <00b701c814b6$e8145870$6601a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: > rolls. They will cut it to any size you want, but we bought the foil cutter> also and save a lot on foil by cutting it the size we need here. I have also> altered my machine so that the 1" cores will fit on it. If you order the> 1/2" cores to fit the spindle that comes with the machine, the foil costs a> lot more. Any suggestions on doing this modification?> > I have had the best luck using HP machines to run the toner. If there is any> oil in the toner it will not work. Also the paper has to be really smooth. I> use the cardstock setting. I still haven't found a black card stock that I> am happy with for running the foil. I have been looking for over 5> years....: ( I guess the Docucolor is out then, we have a DC250 but its a high heat toner with no fuser oil. Also we have a HP5000 so we should be okay with that. Do you have temperature or speed recommendations? Should the material be inserted with no space between them, it seems to me if the foil back touches the bottom roller it may transfer glue, or is the glue really just the toner so it doesn't matter? This may be the older machine as it seems to be all metal - but doesn't look to have been used much. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com Dawson Creek BC Canada _________________________________________________________________ Are you ready for Windows Live Messenger Beta 8.5 ? Get the latest for free today! http://entertainment.sympatico.msn.ca/WindowsLiveMessenger From cpurvine1 at cox.net Mon Oct 22 12:33:01 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Mon Oct 22 12:33:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Thermography on your copier with fuser oil In-Reply-To: References: <003a01c8141a$d192e770$6601a8c0@corapurvine> <00b701c814b6$e8145870$6601a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <00ea01c814c9$36691ee0$6601a8c0@corapurvine> Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz I went to a machine shop and had two parts (one for each end of the roll) made that will fit on the 1/2" rod that the foil fits on. The first diameter is 1/2" to fit the rod with a groove made in the part to go over the little metal hump in the middle of the rod on the machine. Then the part is stepped up to 1" to fit the new rolls with about 1/2" on the outside for the rolls to fit against. I had them put set screws on each piece to secure the parts to the rod. Hope this is making sense I will send pictures as soon as we get the battery charged in our camera. I will have to send it off list because of no attachments on this list or send it to you on PONG. I don't know anything about the Docucolor, but I also have the HP5000. I had recycled toner in it and that is a no-no. I bought a new HP toner cartridge and it is working great. I am also probably the only company in town that can run 11x17" foil with no die My machine is at least 10 years old and I started out at 180 degrees, but am now running at 275 degrees for cardstock. I run at a medium speed as long as the cardstock is real smooth, but I have run some cardstock with a little roughness to it and used the slower setting and got a pretty good result. I just run it through and haven't had a problem. If any residue gets on the bottom roller (ours is metal) I just use a little steel wool to clean it off. I sometimes have trouble with water coming out the back of the paper and getting on the next sheet so I watch my humidity and try to keep it around 50%. I have found that the foil seems to run better in the morning than latter in the day and am not sure why??? Yes, it must be. If you don't like it, let me know I would be interested in buying a spare!! It is a lot of work sometimes as I start and stop it on some jobs to save foil. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com Dawson Creek BC Canada _________________________________________________________________ Are you ready for Windows Live Messenger Beta 8.5 ? Get the latest for free today! http://entertainment.sympatico.msn.ca/WindowsLiveMessenger__________________ _____________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2607 (20071022) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From zapit at zapcolor.com Mon Oct 22 13:01:23 2007 From: zapit at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez) Date: Mon Oct 22 13:07:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Looking for a new host provider In-Reply-To: <20071022145423.EE98AC20FBD@rb.enter.net> References: <20071022145423.EE98AC20FBD@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: We have a bunch of domain names, so I found GeekHosting.com They allow a bunch of domains and space for little money. I have not had to talk to a person often, but they do email pretty quick. Depends on the service you may need. > Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com From cpc at clearnet.net Mon Oct 22 13:18:29 2007 From: cpc at clearnet.net (Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc.) Date: Mon Oct 22 13:33:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <471CDB65.7030709@clearnet.net> Tommy, There are two booklet finishers you can get for the C6500. The larger one requires the relay and the smaller one does not. We have the smaller one (Model FS607). It has three output trays. The top (stationary) tray is for single output. The second tray is a receding tray and the tray on the bottom is used to catch the folded sheets. We do not have a relay and haven't experienced any problems with curled output. One thing I have noticed is that when we run full coverage and heavy solids on 11x17 or larger gloss text or cover we have to lift the sheets in 40 to 50 sheet lifts. If we let them stack up in the receding tray they will stick together. I talked to our tech about the situation and I ask if the relay had a cooling feature. He explained the function of the relay pretty much the way your sales dude did, but was not sure if it would set the toner on heavy cover enough to prevent the sheets from sticking. Randy Hurley Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 17 South Third Street P.O. Box 23 Clearfield, PA 16830 814-765-4731 Fax: 814-765-1380 cpc@clearnet.net VillagePrinting1@aol.com wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Here is a quote from the KM sales rep. Just want to know if he is correct >or not. I've never heard of this in our forum. > > I send me guys with some of our orders to process on the 6500 with all the >stocks that we use. IMPRESSIV with 600 dpi. We look forward to see what the >Xerox 242 2400 dpi prints with same jobs & papers. > > >By eliminating the staple finisher, you lose an extremely important benefit >of the machine. By only configuring it with an output tray (which is not an >offset tray), the relay unit can not be configured. The relay unit is >installed between the main body and the output finishers. This unit has 5 fans in it, >and performs the function of blowing cool air as your output is dispersed. >Two things happen as a result; 1 - Your thicker paper is de-curled, and 2- the >image is dry and stabilized. These are both critical functions if you're >expecting to run thick coated stocks/ > > > >Tommy Melendez > >Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. >3612 E. Tremont Avenue >Bronx, N.Y. 10465 >NAQP Member #1031539 >718.904.7760 >718.892.2315 Fax >_www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) > > From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Mon Oct 22 13:34:27 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Mon Oct 22 13:35:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mail thickness---K/M equipment effect on thickness Message-ID: Me too. To be safe, we mic. the 9 pt. before and after printing if we have to use 9 pt. Also, the stock's thickness will vary throughhout the paper making process at the mill before you even print it. Don't take my word for it, mic some yourself. Not to mention the size of the ream wrapped sheets. Q.C. is sporadic and has been for decades. I'm not surprised to hear about the printer who had to eat some portion of a job which was .089. Sad. Lesson to be learned by all. Finally, with the two (2) K/M manufactured units I'm demoing, certain high-bulk brands of 12 or 14 pt. stock lose almost a point or so after printing....depending on what thickness setting you use. Paper can also 'shrink' in length by 1/16"....on ONE brand of stock we have tried. Started out as 19", and ended up a full 1/16" shorter. Learning day by day. We will experiment with at least 30 different stocks, textures, thicknesses over the next 6 weeks to find the sweet spot in our operating environment.......which means that what works for us may not work for you.... This is so much fun (no, I really mean that) that I'm going in to the shop today....but I'm taking my 'sticks' along just in case. Regards, Larry Desert Pacific _________________________________________________________________________________________ It is very interesting how many answers to the thickness of a postcard. 007, .008, .009, .014 maybe more. If we printers don't even have the correct info how are our customers suppose to. The last info I remember from the post office is the .009 like Wayne said with the rejected cards. I am just amazed at the confusion and different answers. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 From smc at sorrentomesa.com Mon Oct 22 15:27:31 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Mon Oct 22 15:31:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Comments about the 6500 Bizhub PRO (was RE:?) In-Reply-To: <471CDB65.7030709@clearnet.net> References: <471CDB65.7030709@clearnet.net> Message-ID: <200710221930.l9MJUOpc009176@i2bnetworks.com> We have the smaller booklet maker (FS607) on the 500, we have the large big daddy booklet maker on the 6500. NO comparison. In addition to making great booklets up to about 200 numbered pages (50 sheets) it does a beautiful face trim, feeds coated book and cover with no difficulty, exits them out of the unit on a nice conveyor belt, and, will half and trifold up to 5 sheets NESTED together and spit them out on a nice conveyor as well. I've not seen a machine that will do that anywhere else. We have done tons and tons of beautiful color booklets in the short period of time since we've had this machine in place. We just offload them from the conveyor and pack them up in cartons. We've set this 6500 Pro with the big bookletmaker (SD-501) and the large capacity stacker (LS-501). The relay unit as well. If you have the right kinds of accounts, this machine can have produce extensive volumes that can help build capacity on the way to an IGEN or NexPress. But you need to get some sort of finishing unit or its true capacity will not be achieved I just finished a run of over 2000 4/4 12x18 full coverage datasheets on 80# gloss cover (had no time to get them on press because of a ridiculous deadline) they ran all night and were waiting for trimming in the morning. The whole stack wheeled out of the stacker and over to the cutter, not a single sheet had any issues of sticking or blocking and that was one heavy stack of paper. FWIW S. At 10:18 AM 10/22/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Tommy, > >There are two booklet finishers you can get for the C6500. The >larger one requires the relay and the smaller one does not. We have >the smaller one (Model FS607). It has three output trays. The top >(stationary) tray is for single output. The second tray is a >receding tray and the tray on the bottom is used to catch the folded >sheets. We do not have a relay and haven't experienced any problems >with curled output. One thing I have noticed is that when we run >full coverage and heavy solids on 11x17 or larger gloss text or >cover we have to lift the sheets in 40 to 50 sheet lifts. If we let >them stack up in the receding tray they will stick together. I >talked to our tech about the situation and I ask if the relay had a >cooling feature. He explained the function of the relay pretty much >the way your sales dude did, but was not sure if it would set the >toner on heavy cover enough to prevent the sheets from sticking. > >Randy Hurley >Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. >17 South Third Street >P.O. Box 23 >Clearfield, PA 16830 >814-765-4731 >Fax: 814-765-1380 >cpc@clearnet.net > > >VillagePrinting1@aol.com wrote: > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>Here is a quote from the KM sales rep. Just want to know if he is >>correct or not. I've never heard of this in our forum. >>I send me guys with some of our orders to process on the 6500 >>with all the stocks that we use. IMPRESSIV with 600 dpi. We >>look forward to see what the Xerox 242 2400 dpi prints with same >>jobs & papers. >> >>By eliminating the staple finisher, you lose an extremely >>important benefit of the machine. By only configuring it with an >>output tray (which is not an offset tray), the relay unit can not >>be configured. The relay unit is >>installed between the main body and the output finishers. This unit >>has 5 fans in it, and performs the function of blowing cool air as >>your output is dispersed. Two things happen as a result; 1 - Your >>thicker paper is de-curled, and 2- the image is dry and >>stabilized. These are both critical functions if you're expecting >>to run thick coated stocks/ >> >> >>Tommy Melendez >>Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. >>3612 E. Tremont Avenue >>Bronx, N.Y. 10465 >>NAQP Member #1031539 >>718.904.7760 >>718.892.2315 Fax >>_www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2607 (20071022) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From char at themasterspress.com Mon Oct 22 16:01:23 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Mon Oct 22 16:04:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Release of Adobe 8.1.1 Message-ID: <034201c814e6$583a52b0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> We have just been notified by Adobe that the latest version 8.1.1 of Adobe Acrobat and Reader is now available for manual download on their website. The Acrobat 8.1.1 can be downloaded at http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html. As promised, the "Send to FedEx/Kinko's" button has been removed from the latest versions. In a private meeting with Adobe executives on Thursday of last week we were told that: - the download and install of the 8.1.1 should take less than one minute. - in early November, this update will be made available through Adobe's automatic update manager for users of Adobe Acrobat. - information and details on other enhancements made to the software during this upgrade are available on the Adobe website. We appreciate that Adobe did recognize the mistake of their initial release that included the link to FedEx/Kinko's and their professional and timely response to our demands to remedy the situation. We will continue to monitor the status of the automatic update available to current users and let you know when that is available. We also want to thank each of you who, both directly to Adobe and via the association, shared your concerns and offered to work with Adobe to resolve the issue. Respectfully, Steve Johnson NAQP, a member of the NAPL Network President & CEO 2250 East Devon Avenue, Suite 245 Des Plaines, IL 60018 Toll Free: 800.234.0040 Fax: 847.298.8705 Email: sjohnson@printimage.org From sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com Mon Oct 22 16:04:53 2007 From: sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com (Travis) Date: Mon Oct 22 16:07:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Vista OS In-Reply-To: <01b401c81291$b4513d40$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <01b401c81291$b4513d40$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <000601c814e6$d1113aa0$7333afe0$@com> Been using Vista & Office 2007 for a while now, and have only had a few headaches. Yes you will bang your head against something for the first little while, but once you get used to it, it will be ok. I am by no means a "guru" but if you have any questions feel free to ask, and I will do my best to answer if I can. Good luck. Travis Lewis Date-Line Digital Printing Fairbanks, Alaska -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:50 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] Vista OS ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** What is the word with you computer guru's on Vista these days. A guy at Dell told me last week that XP Pro would only be available for maybe 6 more months. I am panicking. I don't want to use Vista but if I get any new computers am I going to have to do that. Is Vista ready for "me" yet. :-) ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Mon Oct 22 16:11:08 2007 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Mon Oct 22 16:11:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Web Hosting In-Reply-To: <017301c814e0$5b1a76f0$6401a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> References: <017301c814e0$5b1a76f0$6401a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <471D03DC.1070805@sugarloafprint.com> It seemed that all commercial hosting review sites get a kickback. I believe these reviews are more than a bit slanted. From what I gathered, the #1 host provider got that way because they also provides the biggest commission. I guess I should have figured as much. I found a couple of interesting sites today, one of which is a forum about webhosting http://www.webhostingtalk.com/ This forum is for people who do hosting on a professional level or at least are resellers. After searching through a few threads I learned that most of the popular providers over sell their services which leads to poor service and poor uptime. On this forum I found this site http://whreviews.com/ From what I can tell they are not in any partner program and do not get any kickback for their reviews. More later... -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 . Fax: 570-788-6077 From joseph at mauiprintworks.com Mon Oct 22 17:49:31 2007 From: joseph at mauiprintworks.com (Joseph Marsh) Date: Mon Oct 22 17:49:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Trapping in Indesign Message-ID: <1A9ADF66-FCBF-4985-8C59-15B04A818A35@mauiprintworks.com> A graphic designer has sent us a file that is 2 spot colors. They did not build in trapping. How can we get this job to trap? We are looking in InDesign under window - output - trap presets. We just can't figure it out. Joseph Marsh Maui Print Works Phone: 808-242-6634 Fax: 808-242-8967 Cell: 808-264-6382 joseph@mauiprintworks.com From doug at vipprinting.com Mon Oct 22 17:55:06 2007 From: doug at vipprinting.com (Douglas W. Rinnert) Date: Mon Oct 22 17:57:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Post card rates In-Reply-To: <002b01c814be$64d595c0$650a0a0a@advanced8l9v8x> References: <002b01c814be$64d595c0$650a0a0a@advanced8l9v8x> Message-ID: Ric, 10,000 4.25 x 5.5 Post Cards four Color One Side & Black on One Side on 80# White Cover is $1,346.40. 15,000 4.25 x 5.5 Post Cards four Color One Side & Black on One Side on 80# White Cover is $1,617.05. 20,000 4.25 x 5.5 Post Cards four Color One Side & Black on One Side on 80# White Cover is $1,869.45. I believe the file you sent for this card was a Word file and that will not work for four color process. It would need to be in a format like InDesign, Pagemaker or Illustrator. Thanks, Doug -- Doug Rinnert V.I.P. Printing & Design 9862 Crescent Park Drive West Chester, Ohio 45069 513.777.7468 office 513.777.7459 fax 513.623.6907 cell From mike at arborprinting.com Mon Oct 22 19:18:27 2007 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Mon Oct 22 19:19:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] MAC Quark help please References: Message-ID: <000a01c81501$dac6ee80$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> We are encountering a very unusual problem that started suddenly. We had a power surge and this began right afterwards. While in Quark 6.5 I have always been able to double click on a folder and have it open in the window. Now suddenly all it will do is turn down the little arrow. No matter how many times I click on the folder I can not get it to open in the window. I have also suddenly experienced a phantom folder. The path it tells me it is at is: New Jobs (folder) Share (folder) our server Volumes (folder) G4 my HD) Arbor (I think the name of the entire network) Inside this New Jobs folder is 1 QXD file and a job folder. I have deleted both off of the server AND THEY STILL COME UP EVERYTIME I DO AN OPEN, GET TEXT, OR GET PICTURE in Quark! The folder also has the date of the power surge on it. These files do not show up when I do a find, The folder VOLUMES does not show up either so I can't get to them to delete them. I have deleted and reinstalled Quark twice. I have restarted without my extensions. It is obviously some kind of loop that I'm stuck in but I have no other ideas on what to do. Anybody????????????????? Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com mike@arborprinting.com From smc at sorrentomesa.com Mon Oct 22 20:39:32 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Mon Oct 22 20:42:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] MAC Quark help please In-Reply-To: <000a01c81501$dac6ee80$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> References: <000a01c81501$dac6ee80$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: <200710230042.l9N0gQsW049253@i2bnetworks.com> Make a new user, log in then try to launch Quark. If it works you need to trash the prefs in your original user's library folder. S. At 04:18 PM 10/22/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We are encountering a very unusual problem that started suddenly. We >had a power surge and this began right afterwards. > >While in Quark 6.5 I have always been able to double click on a >folder and have it open in the window. Now suddenly all it will do >is turn down the little arrow. No matter how many times I click on >the folder I can not get it to open in the window. I have also >suddenly experienced a phantom folder. The path it tells me it is at is: >New Jobs (folder) >Share (folder) our server >Volumes (folder) >G4 my HD) >Arbor (I think the name of the entire network) > >Inside this New Jobs folder is 1 QXD file and a job folder. I have >deleted both off of the server AND THEY STILL COME UP EVERYTIME I DO >AN OPEN, GET TEXT, OR GET PICTURE in Quark! The folder also has the >date of the power surge on it. > >These files do not show up when I do a find, The folder VOLUMES does >not show up either so I can't get to them to delete them. > >I have deleted and reinstalled Quark twice. I have restarted without >my extensions. It is obviously some kind of loop that I'm stuck in >but I have no other ideas on what to do. > >Anybody????????????????? > >Thanks, > > >Michael Shuta >Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc >630-969-2277 >www.arborprinting.com >mike@arborprinting.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2607 (20071022) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From kathy at mpcny.com Mon Oct 22 20:52:42 2007 From: kathy at mpcny.com (Kathy Henry) Date: Mon Oct 22 20:53:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] WAS - MAC Quark help please- NOW GET OUT In-Reply-To: <200710230042.l9N0gQsW049253@i2bnetworks.com> References: <000a01c81501$dac6ee80$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> <200710230042.l9N0gQsW049253@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <01e101c8150f$04d7bf80$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> What are you still doing there? Your area is burning you know! Get out of there! See, the snow up here isn't so bad after all! Take care, we are thinking of you and hoping for the best! Keep us advised! Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing kathy@mpcny.com 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 8:40 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] MAC Quark help please ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Make a new user, log in then try to launch Quark. If it works you need to trash the prefs in your original user's library folder. S. At 04:18 PM 10/22/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We are encountering a very unusual problem that started suddenly. We >had a power surge and this began right afterwards. > >While in Quark 6.5 I have always been able to double click on a >folder and have it open in the window. Now suddenly all it will do >is turn down the little arrow. No matter how many times I click on >the folder I can not get it to open in the window. I have also >suddenly experienced a phantom folder. The path it tells me it is at is: >New Jobs (folder) >Share (folder) our server >Volumes (folder) >G4 my HD) >Arbor (I think the name of the entire network) > >Inside this New Jobs folder is 1 QXD file and a job folder. I have >deleted both off of the server AND THEY STILL COME UP EVERYTIME I DO >AN OPEN, GET TEXT, OR GET PICTURE in Quark! The folder also has the >date of the power surge on it. > >These files do not show up when I do a find, The folder VOLUMES does >not show up either so I can't get to them to delete them. > >I have deleted and reinstalled Quark twice. I have restarted without >my extensions. It is obviously some kind of loop that I'm stuck in >but I have no other ideas on what to do. > >Anybody????????????????? > >Thanks, > > >Michael Shuta >Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc >630-969-2277 >www.arborprinting.com >mike@arborprinting.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2607 (20071022) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. 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Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.5/1084 - Release Date: 10/21/2007 3:09 PM From bill at werkheiser.com Mon Oct 22 21:48:20 2007 From: bill at werkheiser.com (Bill Werkheiser) Date: Mon Oct 22 21:48:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for a new host provider In-Reply-To: <471CA046.4090302@sugarloafprint.com> References: <471CA046.4090302@sugarloafprint.com> Message-ID: <471D52E4.6030606@werkheiser.com> There is no better than http://www.fatcow.com Ron Sardo wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > What a nightmare I had with iPower.com. > Now that everything is resolved (I think anyway), I plan on changing > host providers. > > It seems that there is no "perfect" provider, but after googleing > around and reading reviews I found these three that "seem" promising > > www.ixwebhosting.com > www.lunarpages.com > www.bluehost.com > > Good, Bad or Ugly, would anybody like to share their experience with > these three or anyone else they are using? > > Your input would be appreciated. Thanks! > -- Bill Werkheiser SE PrinTech, Inc. Coastal Mailing Services, Inc. http://WeLoveToPrint.com 315 E Banks Street - P O Box 27 Glennville, GA 30427 (912) 654-3610 voice (912) 654-3611 fax From craig at newhavenprint.com Tue Oct 23 09:04:23 2007 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Tue Oct 23 09:03:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Tissue Paper In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20071023130310.80EF4C242A5@rb.enter.net> I have a printer friend (that's not on the lists) looking for someone to print on tissue paper. It would be like the packing in gift boxes but they want their logos on it. Any suggestions on suppliers? Thanks, Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From mail at myprinter.biz Tue Oct 23 09:06:12 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Tue Oct 23 09:06:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Comments about the 6500 Bizhub PRO (was RE:?) In-Reply-To: <200710221930.l9MJUOpc009176@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: Scott - We're right on the verge of replacing our Canon 3220 with something that actually belongs in a print-for-pay environment as a production unit and are considering both Xerox and KM. I respect your opinion on things like this (which is the kiss of death) and have this question for you: Did you look at Xerox before you went with KM and, if yes, why did you choose KM over Xerox? I'd also appreciate similar comments from others that made the Xerox or KM decision. Thanks. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz ------------------------------------- Excellence is the result of caring more than others think is wise, risking more than others think is safe, dreaming more than others think is practical, and expecting more than others think is possible. Mac Anderson -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 3:28 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Comments about the 6500 Bizhub PRO (was RE:?) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have the smaller booklet maker (FS607) on the 500, we have the large big daddy booklet maker on the 6500. NO comparison. In addition to making great booklets up to about 200 numbered pages (50 sheets) it does a beautiful face trim, feeds coated book and cover with no difficulty, exits them out of the unit on a nice conveyor belt, and, will half and trifold up to 5 sheets NESTED together and spit them out on a nice conveyor as well. I've not seen a machine that will do that anywhere else. We have done tons and tons of beautiful color booklets in the short period of time since we've had this machine in place. We just offload them from the conveyor and pack them up in cartons. We've set this 6500 Pro with the big bookletmaker (SD-501) and the large capacity stacker (LS-501). The relay unit as well. If you have the right kinds of accounts, this machine can have produce extensive volumes that can help build capacity on the way to an IGEN or NexPress. But you need to get some sort of finishing unit or its true capacity will not be achieved I just finished a run of over 2000 4/4 12x18 full coverage datasheets on 80# gloss cover (had no time to get them on press because of a ridiculous deadline) they ran all night and were waiting for trimming in the morning. The whole stack wheeled out of the stacker and over to the cutter, not a single sheet had any issues of sticking or blocking and that was one heavy stack of paper. FWIW S. At 10:18 AM 10/22/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Tommy, > >There are two booklet finishers you can get for the C6500. The >larger one requires the relay and the smaller one does not. We have >the smaller one (Model FS607). It has three output trays. The top >(stationary) tray is for single output. The second tray is a >receding tray and the tray on the bottom is used to catch the folded >sheets. We do not have a relay and haven't experienced any problems >with curled output. One thing I have noticed is that when we run >full coverage and heavy solids on 11x17 or larger gloss text or >cover we have to lift the sheets in 40 to 50 sheet lifts. If we let >them stack up in the receding tray they will stick together. I >talked to our tech about the situation and I ask if the relay had a >cooling feature. He explained the function of the relay pretty much >the way your sales dude did, but was not sure if it would set the >toner on heavy cover enough to prevent the sheets from sticking. > >Randy Hurley >Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. >17 South Third Street >P.O. Box 23 >Clearfield, PA 16830 >814-765-4731 >Fax: 814-765-1380 >cpc@clearnet.net > > >VillagePrinting1@aol.com wrote: > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>Here is a quote from the KM sales rep. Just want to know if he is >>correct or not. I've never heard of this in our forum. >>I send me guys with some of our orders to process on the 6500 >>with all the stocks that we use. IMPRESSIV with 600 dpi. We >>look forward to see what the Xerox 242 2400 dpi prints with same >>jobs & papers. >> >>By eliminating the staple finisher, you lose an extremely >>important benefit of the machine. By only configuring it with an >>output tray (which is not an offset tray), the relay unit can not >>be configured. The relay unit is >>installed between the main body and the output finishers. This unit >>has 5 fans in it, and performs the function of blowing cool air as >>your output is dispersed. Two things happen as a result; 1 - Your >>thicker paper is de-curled, and 2- the image is dry and >>stabilized. These are both critical functions if you're expecting >>to run thick coated stocks/ >> >> >>Tommy Melendez >>Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. >>3612 E. Tremont Avenue >>Bronx, N.Y. 10465 >>NAQP Member #1031539 >>718.904.7760 >>718.892.2315 Fax >>_www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2607 (20071022) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jdaghir at gmail.com Tue Oct 23 09:31:29 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Tue Oct 23 09:32:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Vista OS In-Reply-To: <200710200013.l9K0D32b010519@i2bnetworks.com> References: <01b401c81291$b4513d40$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <029c01c81299$0f4a6850$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <010b01c8129b$573e9850$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <01ea01c8129b$ffc87fe0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <200710200013.l9K0D32b010519@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620710230631n34485922g95c47538a72a6bf6@mail.gmail.com> Scott said: > If you're a hobbiest or a computer nerd with no life than have at it. Hey, I resemble that remark! (;-) Actually I agree with Scott. I just installed the 64 bit version of Vista on one of my computers at home so I could start becoming familiar with it. Other than some initial problems due to the fact I purchased an download version rather than a physical boxed version with disks the install went better than I expected. Everything pretty much set itself up and worked without much effort on my part. But this was on a new machine with current software on it. I suspect that you would have a lot more problems with older hardware and software. My recommendation with older hardware and software with Vista is don't bother - you'll be better off time and dollar-wise to ditch the old stuff and purchase new. Most of the functionality that is in XP is still in Vista, it's just been polished up and rearranged into what is supposed to be a more logical and consistent manner. Imagine someone coming into house and repainting all the walls and rearranging the furniture - it's still all the same stuff but it looks different and it's in different places. There are some major enhancements to stability and security, but I suspect most shops already have a pretty good handle on XP stability and security so that probably won't be a compelling reason to upgrade for most of us here. The 64 bit version of Vista can address a lot more memory than the 4 GB that XP is limited to and that might be a benefit if you routinely work with large Photoshop files. But beyond that there's no reason to rush into it. Wait for Service Pack 1 to be released and then wait an additional 3-6 months after that and then Vista will probably be ready for prime time. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com From eric at prioritypress.com Tue Oct 23 09:58:00 2007 From: eric at prioritypress.com (Eric Mance) Date: Tue Oct 23 09:59:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Baum 714 XLT??? / MBM StitchFold Message-ID: HI, Does anyone have the new Baum table top folder with the combo rollers? How is it? Also, how about the MBM StichFold offline booklet maker? Any comments? Thanks, Eric Mance Priority Press 132 Shaker Rd East Longmeadow, MA 01028 413-525-6111 413-525-2681 fax www.prioritypress.com From bgallagher at nbn.net Tue Oct 23 10:37:48 2007 From: bgallagher at nbn.net (Bob Gallagher) Date: Tue Oct 23 10:38:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] MAC Quark help please In-Reply-To: <200710230042.l9N0gQsW049253@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: On 10/22/07 8:39 PM, "Scott Cappel" wrote: Scott. How are you doing with the wild fires? Home and business okay? Check our new website Bob Gallagher Gallagher Printing, Inc. 601 W. Main Street Palmyra, PA 17078 717-838-1527 1-888-838-1527 Fax 717-838-5715 http://www.gallagherprint.com An Adobe Service Provider A Microsoft Publisher Provider Member, Adobe Solutions Network From tim at schreurprinting.com Tue Oct 23 10:41:36 2007 From: tim at schreurprinting.com (Tim Schreur) Date: Tue Oct 23 10:44:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Employee question - looking for advise In-Reply-To: <20071023133232.DA3BEC244FF@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: I have a bindery employee who has undergone ACL surgery. We have followed the doctor prescribed work restrictions and made every effort to accommodate the work environment. His recovery has gone well up until about a week ago. Apparently he helped my production mgr. move something that irritated his knee and then something else, away from work, caused him additional irritation. Today, he came to me with a doctor note stating he "should be off for 30 days". He tells me that this is unacceptable and he wants to work. I am not sure if I should let him work or lay him off or not. It makes me nervous that I could be liable should something happen while working under this restriction. Looking for advise. ----------- Tim Schreur President Schreur Printing - Since 1946 "Our tradition is excellence, our technology is state of art" P 616-392-4405 F 616-392-4296 w www.schreurprinting.com From davek at epgvl.com Tue Oct 23 10:52:50 2007 From: davek at epgvl.com (Dave Knapp) Date: Tue Oct 23 10:52:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Employee question - looking for advise In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004001c81584$63387590$64fea8c0@DAVE> Contact your lawyer. Dave Knapp Express Press of Greenville 555A South Pleasantburg Drive Greenville, SC 29607 864/235-6950 864/242-3354 fax DaveK@epgvl.com www.epgvl.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tim Schreur Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 10:42 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Employee question - looking for advise ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a bindery employee who has undergone ACL surgery. We have followed the doctor prescribed work restrictions and made every effort to accommodate the work environment. His recovery has gone well up until about a week ago. Apparently he helped my production mgr. move something that irritated his knee and then something else, away from work, caused him additional irritation. Today, he came to me with a doctor note stating he "should be off for 30 days". He tells me that this is unacceptable and he wants to work. I am not sure if I should let him work or lay him off or not. It makes me nervous that I could be liable should something happen while working under this restriction. Looking for advise. ----------- Tim Schreur President Schreur Printing - Since 1946 "Our tradition is excellence, our technology is state of art" P 616-392-4405 F 616-392-4296 w www.schreurprinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jdowning at libertygrouponline.com Tue Oct 23 11:55:17 2007 From: jdowning at libertygrouponline.com (Joy Downing) Date: Tue Oct 23 10:59:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] door hangers Message-ID: <04f101c8158d$1bf14d70$1401a8c0@JOY2> Does anyone have the ability to run door hangers through their color digital machine? I have a customer that needs a pretty small run, 500 2 sided. Please contact me off line if you are interested. Joy Downing The Liberty Group 3021 Nashville Road Bowling Green, KY 42101 jdownin@libertygrouponline.com 270-782-7829 From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Tue Oct 23 11:03:28 2007 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Tue Oct 23 11:03:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Employee question - looking for advise In-Reply-To: <004001c81584$63387590$64fea8c0@DAVE> References: <004001c81584$63387590$64fea8c0@DAVE> Message-ID: <272013F0-9638-4DA6-8F40-F7DF6E8B966A@falconprintandcopy.com> Agreed, you need to make sure you're covered here. The damage may already be done. Also reprimand your Production Manager for putting your shop in jeopardy. Laying him off, letting him work, even making him a receptionist until he's better, could all be bad for you. Get legal coverage immediately. The lay off sounds like a really bad idea though. Regards, Borzou -------------- next part -------------- www.falconprintandcopy.com t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 On Oct 23, 2007, at 10:52 AM, Dave Knapp wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Contact your lawyer. > > Dave Knapp > Express Press of Greenville > 555A South Pleasantburg Drive > Greenville, SC 29607 > 864/235-6950 > 864/242-3354 fax > DaveK@epgvl.com > www.epgvl.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tim Schreur > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 10:42 AM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Employee question - looking for advise > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a bindery employee who has undergone ACL surgery. We have > followed the doctor prescribed work restrictions and made > every effort to accommodate the work environment. His recovery > has gone well up until about a week ago. Apparently he helped my > production mgr. move something that irritated his knee and then > something > else, away from work, caused him additional irritation. > > Today, he came to me with a doctor note stating he "should be off for > 30 days". He tells me that this is unacceptable and he wants to work. > > I am not sure if I should let him work or lay him off or not. > It makes me nervous that I could be liable should something happen > while > working under this restriction. > > Looking for advise. > > ----------- > Tim Schreur > President > Schreur Printing - Since 1946 > "Our tradition is excellence, our technology is state of art" > P 616-392-4405 > F 616-392-4296 > w www.schreurprinting.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From Bobscopyshop1 at aol.com Tue Oct 23 11:21:39 2007 From: Bobscopyshop1 at aol.com (Bobscopyshop1@aol.com) Date: Tue Oct 23 11:22:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wide format training- help Message-ID: Is there anyone out there in the Midwest willing to train my partner or me on the wide format business. Right now we are using the HP 5500 60"and do mounting and laminating, banners etc. We are constantly getting requests for stuff we can't do in house and are looking to take it to the next level. If he could spend a day in someone's shop who is doing a large volume, and you are willing to share info, email me privately, or give me a call. Thanks, Roger Hlavacka Bob's Copy Shop LLC _bobscopyshop1@aol.com_ (mailto:bobscopyshop1@aol.com) 616 University Avenue Madison, WI 53715 ph 608.257.4536 fax 608.257.6555 _www.bobscopyshop1.com_ (http://www.bobscopyshop1.com/) _www.bobsbizsupplies.com_ (http://www.bobsbizsupplies.com/) _www.capitolpromo.net_ (http://www.capitolpromo.net/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From kellycrom at gmail.com Tue Oct 23 11:14:55 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Tue Oct 23 11:23:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] door hangers In-Reply-To: <04f101c8158d$1bf14d70$1401a8c0@JOY2> References: <04f101c8158d$1bf14d70$1401a8c0@JOY2> Message-ID: <01be01c81587$7ea91e80$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Have you tried the "Digital Blanks" from BlanksUSA (www.blanksusa.com)? On those, they have left in and perfed the "holes". Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Joy Downing > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 10:55 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] door hangers > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does anyone have the ability to run door hangers through > their color digital > machine? I have a customer that needs a pretty small run, 500 > 2 sided. > Please contact me off line if you are interested. > Joy Downing > The Liberty Group > 3021 Nashville Road > Bowling Green, KY 42101 > jdownin@libertygrouponline.com > 270-782-7829 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Oct 23 11:36:18 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Oct 23 11:40:29 2007 Subject: Fires (was Re: [PrintOwners] MAC Quark help please) In-Reply-To: References: <200710230042.l9N0gQsW049253@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <200710231539.l9NFdCuJ050088@i2bnetworks.com> I'm logged in at work from my couch, so we're still here. But its been a tough 24 hours. business is fine, we're under advisory evacuation here at home but they're going to have to call a mandatory evacuation here before I leave. It blows my mind that the fires got this far to the coast, usually the coast is a safe place but we have 300,000 people under mandatory evacuation and many of them live on the coastal zone just north of our house. Our coastal zone is OK so far but that could change. Neighbors next door and across the street bailed last night. I gotta see flames before I go. We think over 1000 homes have been destroyed and more to come. Many big power lines are down so we're under limited power warnings today so most businesses are closed and everybody is staying home. Yesterday the air outside was your worst nightmare need a mask to breath. Today it just smells like a campfire. Some people have to deal with tornadoes and hurricanes, we have fires and earthquakes. Makes you want to move to an island. I think were good (for now) thanks for your thoughts. S. At 07:37 AM 10/23/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >On 10/22/07 8:39 PM, "Scott Cappel" wrote: > >Scott. How are you doing with the wild fires? Home and business okay? > >Check our new website > >Bob Gallagher >Gallagher Printing, Inc. >601 W. Main Street >Palmyra, PA 17078 >717-838-1527 >1-888-838-1527 >Fax 717-838-5715 > >http://www.gallagherprint.com > >An Adobe Service Provider >A Microsoft Publisher Provider >Member, Adobe Solutions Network > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2609 (20071023) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From jdaghir at gmail.com Tue Oct 23 11:57:10 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Tue Oct 23 11:58:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Tissue Paper In-Reply-To: <20071023130310.80EF4C242A5@rb.enter.net> References: <20071023130310.80EF4C242A5@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <83d5b9620710230857u39c8ac33kda1a28450086e83f@mail.gmail.com> We once did a short run using light Gilbert Gilclear but it was a lot more expensive than real tissue paper. You can get actual printed tissue paper from Guardian Packaging in Wilder, KY (www.gpackaging.com 800-733-0229). I think they have a minimum order of about 5000 sheets of 20x30 and a 4-5 week lead time. Other packaging and box printers could probably do it also. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Craig said: > I have a printer friend (that's not on the lists) looking for someone to > print on tissue paper. It would be like the packing in gift boxes but they > want their logos on it. Any suggestions on suppliers? From cpress at northnet.org Tue Oct 23 12:23:15 2007 From: cpress at northnet.org (Tracy Charleson) Date: Tue Oct 23 12:17:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scott & Dan Message-ID: <6b76cac55cfe6fd7c1ccb024ca1bddbf@northnet.org> I respect your opinion on things like this (which is the kiss of death) Sounds more like - Kiss and Make up - Which makes me as your very humble scholar very happy since you both offer so much to this group Tracy Charleson Commercial Press, Inc. 216 Cowan Road Canton, New York 13617 Phone: (315) 386-3431 Fax: (315) 386-5259 email: cpress@northnet.org http://www.commercialpressink.com From vern at fosterpress.com Tue Oct 23 12:25:39 2007 From: vern at fosterpress.com (Vern Foster) Date: Tue Oct 23 12:27:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] door hangers In-Reply-To: <04f101c8158d$1bf14d70$1401a8c0@JOY2> References: <04f101c8158d$1bf14d70$1401a8c0@JOY2> Message-ID: <008c01c81591$59d176c0$0100a8c0@foster501df6fb> We run them on our KM 8050 and get them from Blanks USA (good selection) or West Coast Paper (not much variety). ======================================== Vern Foster ~ Foster Press ~ Lake Stevens, WA vern@fosterpress.com ~ 425-334-9317 ======================================== -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Joy Downing Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 8:55 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] door hangers ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Does anyone have the ability to run door hangers through their color digital machine? I have a customer that needs a pretty small run, 500 2 sided. Please contact me off line if you are interested. Joy Downing The Liberty Group 3021 Nashville Road Bowling Green, KY 42101 jdownin@libertygrouponline.com 270-782-7829 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From tim at schreurprinting.com Tue Oct 23 12:29:58 2007 From: tim at schreurprinting.com (Tim Schreur) Date: Tue Oct 23 12:33:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Desk Calendar - padded In-Reply-To: <20071023154030.7EC20C24C1F@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Can anyone recommend a source for desk calendars? 17"x22" with corner pads. Thanks! ----------- Tim Schreur President Schreur Printing - Since 1946 "Our tradition is excellence, our technology is state of art" P 616-392-4405 F 616-392-4296 w www.schreurprinting.com From printer at ptialaska.net Tue Oct 23 12:43:18 2007 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Tue Oct 23 12:43:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Vista OS In-Reply-To: <83d5b9620710230631n34485922g95c47538a72a6bf6@mail.gmail.com> References: <01b401c81291$b4513d40$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <029c01c81299$0f4a6850$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <010b01c8129b$573e9850$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <01ea01c8129b$ffc87fe0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <200710200013.l9K0D32b010519@i2bnetworks.com> <83d5b9620710230631n34485922g95c47538a72a6bf6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Here is our experience with VISTA. It takes over the network. It takes over other computers. We have 1 vista computer and we must shut it down at night otherwise when we come in it has seized the network and no one else can connect to the internet. Even after turning off updates it runs them during the night and that appears to take over every other network function. On my mac, I normally print to an hp printer and that is the default I have set. It takes that over and whatever printer the vista machine last ran now is my default. Our IT guy wants to upgrade to XP but I recommend we stick it out and master it. Any thoughts on why it is taking over everything? Thanks, _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From craig at newhavenprint.com Tue Oct 23 12:48:59 2007 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Tue Oct 23 12:48:18 2007 Subject: Fires (was Re: [PrintOwners] MAC Quark help please) In-Reply-To: <200710231539.l9NFdCuJ050088@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20071023164816.7333EC25008@rb.enter.net> > Some people have to deal with tornadoes and hurricanes, we > have fires and earthquakes. > Makes you want to move to an island. > I think were good (for now) thanks for your thoughts. > S. Glad to hear you're hanging in there Scott. The footage on the national news looks terrible. I wish we could send you some of our (and New Orlean's) rain. I'd rethink that island idea though. Ever hear of volcanos? Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From rapidprinting at ameritech.net Tue Oct 23 13:01:11 2007 From: rapidprinting at ameritech.net (Dave VanderPloeg) Date: Tue Oct 23 13:01:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Formula for PMS 7405 Message-ID: <471E28D7.4090805@ameritech.net> Can anyone give me the formula for PMS 7405? Thanks for your help. Dave Vander Ploeg Rapid Printing Service South Holland, IL 60473 708-331-7700 rapidprinting@ameritech.net From bherion at bucksdigital.com Tue Oct 23 12:43:14 2007 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Tue Oct 23 13:04:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Employee question - looking for advise In-Reply-To: <20071023154031.31243C24C23@rb.enter.net> References: <20071023154031.31243C24C23@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071023122308.03358a00@bucksdigital.com> At 11:40 AM 10/23/2007, you wrote: >I am not sure if I should let him work or lay him off or not. >It makes me nervous that I could be liable should something happen while >working under this restriction. Its not necessarily a lawyer you need advice from, but your insurance company. In all my years, I have never accepted an employee back to work without the doctor giving a 100% blessing - except once. Because of a back problem, I had a person on light duty. They sat in a chair and sealed envelopes. That person fell off the chair. I was later sued because I should have had a support bar installed so he could help himself up out of the chair. That person is on permanent disability. Your situation may be different, but if a doctor says no, I would agree with him. Bob Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From rsmith at smithprintinginc.com Tue Oct 23 13:10:24 2007 From: rsmith at smithprintinginc.com (Randy Smith) Date: Tue Oct 23 13:04:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How did you get started in acquiring 4 color equipment Message-ID: <002201c81597$99ecff30$418c10ac@SMITHPRINT.local> I need your advice, we have been holding back on purchasing 4 color equipment. We are brokering our jobs to local printers, whom we thought would work with us on pricing. The truth is they charge us the same price as their own customers. Some have even contacted our customers and told them their doing our 4 color work. Not Good! So where did you start? Do you go from duplicators to a used true 2 color press or go right into a 4 color press? Are did you go from duplicators to a digital press? At what point do you start looking to buy or lease equipment that will handle your 4 color work? It seems to us that you go from a duplicator price of $50K to used 4 color equipment starting at $150K, then the additional cost of a plate setter at $50K. Thanks for your feed back, Randy Smith Smith Printing Co. Leeds, AL 35094 Office: 205.699.2284 Fax: 205.699.8660 From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Tue Oct 23 13:03:19 2007 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Tue Oct 23 13:04:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Vista OS In-Reply-To: References: <01b401c81291$b4513d40$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <029c01c81299$0f4a6850$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <010b01c8129b$573e9850$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <01ea01c8129b$ffc87fe0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <200710200013.l9K0D32b010519@i2bnetworks.com> <83d5b9620710230631n34485922g95c47538a72a6bf6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <471E2957.5080808@sugarloafprint.com> Charles A. Lincoln wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Here is our experience with VISTA. It takes over the network. It takes > over other computers. Snip > Any thoughts on why it is taking over everything? > Did you ever read the book about the computer called "Ozymandias"? If not, I'm sure you heard of the Heuristically programmed Algorithmic computer which everyone called "Hal" ** -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From kevin at proprinters.ca Tue Oct 23 13:15:13 2007 From: kevin at proprinters.ca (Kevin at PRO Printers) Date: Tue Oct 23 13:16:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Formula for PMS 7405 References: <471E28D7.4090805@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <003501c81598$46274490$6600a8c0@promerivale1> 16 pts P. Yellow, 1/4 pt Warm Red, 1/8 pt P. Black or 97.7, 1.5 and .8% respectively. Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave VanderPloeg" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 1:01 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Formula for PMS 7405 > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Can anyone give me the formula for PMS 7405? > > Thanks for your help. > > Dave Vander Ploeg > Rapid Printing Service > South Holland, IL 60473 > 708-331-7700 > rapidprinting@ameritech.net > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From jacemeister at gmail.com Tue Oct 23 13:29:04 2007 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Tue Oct 23 13:29:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Desk Calendar - padded In-Reply-To: References: <20071023154030.7EC20C24C1F@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: > Can anyone recommend a source for desk calendars? > 17"x22" with corner pads. > ----------- > Tim Schreur http://www.norwood.com/ Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com From rapidprinting at ameritech.net Tue Oct 23 13:55:45 2007 From: rapidprinting at ameritech.net (Dave VanderPloeg) Date: Tue Oct 23 13:55:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Formula for PMS 7405 In-Reply-To: <003501c81598$46274490$6600a8c0@promerivale1> References: <471E28D7.4090805@ameritech.net> <003501c81598$46274490$6600a8c0@promerivale1> Message-ID: <471E35A1.8040400@ameritech.net> Thanks for your help, Kevin. Dave Vander Ploeg Rapid Printing Service South Holland, IL 60473 708-331-7700 rapidprinting@ameritech.net Kevin at PRO Printers wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > 16 pts P. Yellow, 1/4 pt Warm Red, 1/8 pt P. Black > or 97.7, 1.5 and .8% respectively. > > Kevin Kerr > Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. > 1900 Merivale Rd. > Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 > Tel 613-727-9444 > Fax 613-727-1945 > kevin@proprinters.ca > www.proprinters.ca > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave VanderPloeg" > > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 1:01 PM > Subject: [PrintOwners] Formula for PMS 7405 > > From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Tue Oct 23 13:57:12 2007 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Tue Oct 23 13:58:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How did you get started in acquiring 4 color equipment In-Reply-To: <002201c81597$99ecff30$418c10ac@SMITHPRINT.local> References: <002201c81597$99ecff30$418c10ac@SMITHPRINT.local> Message-ID: Randy, Forget the used 2 color route. Especially as you will be learning as you go. We printed a few jobs that way. Results were acceptable, but found we could make more money jobbing it out. Your problem is your choice of vendors. Find a good Wholeseller you can trust. We use Apex, but there are others. We looked briefly at doing in house 4 color presswork, but passed. The easiest way to get into 4 color is with a Color Copier. We use a CPP500, same as the Konica C500. There are even better machines available now. What kind of jobs are you sending out? Call me if you want and I'll give you details about what we can do here and what we send out... Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Oct 23, 2007, at 1:10 PM, Randy Smith wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I need your advice, we have been holding back on purchasing 4 color > equipment. We are brokering our jobs to local printers, whom we > thought > would work with us on pricing. The truth is they charge us the > same price > as their own customers. Some have even contacted our customers and > told > them their doing our 4 color work. Not Good! > > > > So where did you start? Do you go from duplicators to a used true > 2 color > press or go right into a 4 color press? Are did you go from > duplicators to > a digital press? At what point do you start looking to buy or lease > equipment that will handle your 4 color work? > > > > It seems to us that you go from a duplicator price of $50K to used > 4 color > equipment starting at $150K, then the additional cost of a plate > setter at > $50K. > > > > Thanks for your feed back, > > Randy Smith > > Smith Printing Co. > > Leeds, AL 35094 > > Office: 205.699.2284 > > Fax: 205.699.8660 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Tue Oct 23 13:59:13 2007 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Wendt) Date: Tue Oct 23 14:00:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Employee question - looking for advise In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20071023122308.03358a00@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: On 10/23/07 11:43 AM, "Bob Herion" wrote: > Its not necessarily a lawyer you need advice from, but your insurance company. > In all my years, I have never accepted an employee back to work > without the doctor giving a 100% blessing - except once. > > Because of a back problem, I had a person on light duty. They sat in > a chair and sealed envelopes. > That person fell off the chair. I was later sued because I should > have had a support bar installed so he could help himself up out of the chair. > That person is on permanent disability. I agree - I had an employee trying to work with a broken leg even tho the doctor said he should be off his feet. My insurance company said I should not let him work until he was released by the doctor, so I had him stay home until I got the note. Nothing bad happened, but his leg was not healing so opted for the safest solution. Cyndy -- Cyndy Wendt President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Oct 23 14:08:45 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Oct 23 14:10:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Receive Free Study on 4C Pricing Message-ID: One week ago NAQP mailed out approximately 7,200 surveys for its upcoming 4C Practices and Pricing Study. About 95% of those surveys have been received according to our tracking software. If you did receive a survey, I urge you to complete it quickly and return it to the address indicated. This will be the best-ever survey on 4C Pricing, and will include pricing practices and data for both digital copiers as well as offset presses. Remember, all participants receive a free hard copy of the final Study. If you have not received the survey, but would still like to participate, you can do so by visiting _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com) and following the link to the 4C Survey. Please read the instructions carefully as to downloading and printing the 5-page PDF. It is critical to us that the survey form not be reduced or enlarged and we provide instructions as to how this should be done. This notice is being cross-posted to the other list with apologies. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From kevin at abfprints.com Tue Oct 23 14:23:08 2007 From: kevin at abfprints.com (Kevin Danko) Date: Tue Oct 23 14:27:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How did you get started in acquiring 4 color equipment In-Reply-To: <002201c81597$99ecff30$418c10ac@SMITHPRINT.local> References: <002201c81597$99ecff30$418c10ac@SMITHPRINT.local> Message-ID: <00af01c815a1$c32774c0$1700a8c0@abf.local> Randy, a lot of factors come into play. How much money are you spending jobbing out work? How much room do you have on your floor? You will not only need room for the new press but also room for the extra paper moving thru your shop. Do you have a graphics department that can handle the work, ie... Rip? CTP? Plate processor? And most importantly a skilled qualified pressman that can run a 4 color press. When we made the transition we were spending $8-10,000 per month on outside vendors and we supplied the paper and took care of the bindery. We bought a used 5 color 26" Komori and it took us to the next level. We have since installed another 29" Shinohara and are about ready to add a second shift. We also had to upgrade from our ProCut 32" cutter to our Saber 37" cutter. If you're not ready to do it the right way I would advise against it until you can afford to update the graphics dept. and have a pressman that "KNOWS" what he's doing. If these two areas aren't in place it will cost you a lot of money and heartache. On the other hand, if you are ready it can catapult your sales once your customers find out you have increased capacity to handle jobs they are sending to other vendors. Risk vs Reward... Kevin Danko Advantage Business Forms 102 N. Riverside Ave. Rialto, CA 92376 Phone: (909) 875-7163 Fax: (909) 875-7971 www.abfprints.com E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Randy Smith Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 10:10 AM To: 'PrintOwners' Subject: [PrintOwners] How did you get started in acquiring 4 color equipment ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I need your advice, we have been holding back on purchasing 4 color equipment. We are brokering our jobs to local printers, whom we thought would work with us on pricing. The truth is they charge us the same price as their own customers. Some have even contacted our customers and told them their doing our 4 color work. Not Good! So where did you start? Do you go from duplicators to a used true 2 color press or go right into a 4 color press? Are did you go from duplicators to a digital press? At what point do you start looking to buy or lease equipment that will handle your 4 color work? It seems to us that you go from a duplicator price of $50K to used 4 color equipment starting at $150K, then the additional cost of a plate setter at $50K. Thanks for your feed back, Randy Smith Smith Printing Co. Leeds, AL 35094 Office: 205.699.2284 Fax: 205.699.8660 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From brianoday at eprint.us Tue Oct 23 14:27:09 2007 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Tue Oct 23 14:28:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How did you get started in acquiring 4 color equipment In-Reply-To: <002201c81597$99ecff30$418c10ac@SMITHPRINT.local> References: <002201c81597$99ecff30$418c10ac@SMITHPRINT.local> Message-ID: <006801c815a2$530daeb0$800101df@eprint.local> We went the route of 2 color ABDICK to 2 Color GTO TO a 5 Color GTO. It is a hard route to go and takes a whole new outlook on printing. The easier way is to buy a DI. They can do most of what a traditional 4 color offset press can do (some would say they can do more) and for $200,000 you can get a good used unit. That's my 2 cents Brian O'Day ePrint 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Randy Smith Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 10:10 AM To: 'PrintOwners' Subject: [PrintOwners] How did you get started in acquiring 4 color equipment ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I need your advice, we have been holding back on purchasing 4 color equipment. We are brokering our jobs to local printers, whom we thought would work with us on pricing. The truth is they charge us the same price as their own customers. Some have even contacted our customers and told them their doing our 4 color work. Not Good! So where did you start? Do you go from duplicators to a used true 2 color press or go right into a 4 color press? Are did you go from duplicators to a digital press? At what point do you start looking to buy or lease equipment that will handle your 4 color work? It seems to us that you go from a duplicator price of $50K to used 4 color equipment starting at $150K, then the additional cost of a plate setter at $50K. Thanks for your feed back, Randy Smith Smith Printing Co. Leeds, AL 35094 Office: 205.699.2284 Fax: 205.699.8660 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Tue Oct 23 14:56:50 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Oct 23 14:57:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How did you get started in acquiring 4 colorequipment References: <002201c81597$99ecff30$418c10ac@SMITHPRINT.local> <006801c815a2$530daeb0$800101df@eprint.local> Message-ID: <027801c815a6$783a24d0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> We were going to replace our old ABDick DPM 2000 with a new platesetter anyway, so we just went with a DPX and then added a 4 color GTO. We had been doing some full color on our Quickmaster 46-2 and jobbing some out. We already had a 30 inch cutter and floor model folder that could handle the work. Our Doc12 was pretty maxed out. It is working out OK. But. . . only because I've learned to run the press myself, do all pre-press myself and make sure it's right. I've been through three pressman in two years, four counting myself. We only run the 4 color press a day or two a week. In retrospect I'd have been better off just getting a bigger color copier. Also, I'm in a very small market. If we had a more customer rich environment I'm sure we'd be able to get more business. We're doing good work, we've won awards even. We've gotten some work from other towns, 50 to 100 miles away or so. But not enough. Good luck. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From bgallagher at nbn.net Tue Oct 23 15:14:25 2007 From: bgallagher at nbn.net (Bob Gallagher) Date: Tue Oct 23 15:15:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Vista OS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10/23/07 12:43 PM, "Charles A. Lincoln" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Here is our experience with VISTA. It takes over the network. It > takes over other computers. We have 1 vista computer and we must shut > it down at night otherwise when we come in it has seized the network > and no one else can connect to the internet. Even after turning off > updates it runs them during the night and that appears to take over > every other network function. Sounds like you need an Exorcist, not an IT guy! Check our new website Bob Gallagher Gallagher Printing, Inc. 601 W. Main Street Palmyra, PA 17078 717-838-1527 1-888-838-1527 Fax 717-838-5715 http://www.gallagherprint.com An Adobe Service Provider A Microsoft Publisher Provider Member, Adobe Solutions Network From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Tue Oct 23 15:35:49 2007 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Tue Oct 23 15:36:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: HELP! In-Reply-To: <006201c80b5f$081a0220$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <006201c80b5f$081a0220$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <5D921234-FFA3-4C9F-8D4A-6358B2FDA260@inkonpaper.biz> You should be able to keep the phone number using remote call forwarding to your new numbers Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz On Oct 10, 2007, at 1:00 PM, Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Tommy, > > I would find it hard to believe(except if your new location is under a > different area code) that you can't keep the same phone number(I > think the > phone companies refer to it as Local Number Portability). I would > really go > after your phone service provider and have them look into it > deeper. When we > moved, we switched area codes, so we couldn't keep the same phone > numbers as > our physical lines. But, through our "3rd party" phone provider, we > are able > to retain "ownership" of our old number and have calls to it > forwarded to > our new main numbers. Here they call it a Market Expansion Line. It > costs us > about $10.00/month to have the expansion line service, and we can > drop it at > any time. Our phone company even gives us a monthly report that > shows how > many calls are still dialing the old number, and also their telephone > numbers, so we can give friendly reminders to those people who we > want to > update their information with our new numbers. > > Kelly Crom > Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. > > We?ve Moved!!! > 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 > Plymouth, MN 55441 > New Phone: (763)231-6970 > kellycrom@gmail.com > www.applied-graphics.com > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of >> VillagePrinting1@aol.com >> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 10:51 AM >> To: printowners@printweb.org >> Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: HELP! >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> We are being force out of our location. And I have just >> found out that it >> is going to be a problem keeping the same phone line. I >> don't use Verizon >> anymore. We use a third party phone line service. Once >> again, going cheap is >> biting me in the butt. >> >> Since I have to move & the original company name was Village >> Duplicating & >> Graphics is not mine. That corp. has been dissolved. We've >> been operating as >> a dba since April 07'. My corp. name is MJM Group Inc. >> This is where I >> need help. My personal name was never under the original >> Village corp papers. I >> was more of a silent partner. I did sign for all the >> equipment on the >> premises. Would it be in poor taste or unethical to have one >> or more of these >> machines picked up. In other words, I don't want to keep >> the 13? a copy >> Lanier 5813 $489.00 a month, which we run mostly 12 x 18's & >> they print about 4 >> copies a min at that size. Village name has two years to go >> on lease. Tech >> can't & I mean CAN'T get it to print properly anymore. He >> changed the drum the >> other day & gave it a long PM & still have streaks. I just >> can't see paying >> them another dollar for a machine that is not printing as it >> used to. We >> also have a Canon 7095 which I even had to service myself >> before I left to >> Chicago. I called for service that morning before my flight, >> that the machine >> was not making copies. I got the machine to work before tech >> arrived. Tech >> worked on the unit and the machine went down again, claiming >> it needed a part. >> Well I couldn't take that for an answer & worked on the >> machine again and >> got it running, & since then we've made over 60,000 without >> going down NO PART >> NEEDED!. Canon called to work on the machine & my employees >> were told in >> no circumstance are they allowed to touch the machine without >> my permission. >> This is how bad the tech's are by me. We just recently had >> a presentation >> done by a rep from Konica Minolta. Of course during our >> presentation from KM >> the salesperson looked at print from 5813 & ask me if I was >> ok with the >> streaks. My response was that fortunately, this particular >> client loved the piece, >> so there are some clients that don't realized that prints >> are not up to par. >> Myself & my employees are hungry for better copies and >> service. I have a >> great gang here that do appreciate what we do for others. >> Hence, why I closed >> the doors for an hour & included them on the presentation. >> This way they >> can have the answers to all their questions. I feel like I'm >> intitled to get >> rid of these machines that are NON productive & hinders our >> way of quality & >> providing the service are customer's deserve! >> >> I'm a good natured guy & don't like to screw anyone. But I >> feel that if I'm >> changing my name & location and now my phone line. That we >> should start >> with a clean slate & work with equipment that will provide us >> with more >> capabilities & production time. >> >> NEED HELP!!!!!!!!!!!! on this! >> >> Thanks >> >> Tommy Melendez >> >> >> Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. >> 3612 E. Tremont Avenue >> Bronx, N.Y. 10465 >> NAQP Member #1031539 >> 718.904.7760 >> 718.892.2315 Fax >> _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's new at >> http://www.aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mark at newprinting.com Tue Oct 23 16:01:21 2007 From: mark at newprinting.com (Mark Weinfurter) Date: Tue Oct 23 16:03:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Employee question - looking for advise In-Reply-To: <20071023170413.091F8C251A8@rb.enter.net> References: <20071023170413.091F8C251A8@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <55097941a6115c5efd2bd0e0fee4f1f9@newprinting.com> >> I am not sure if I should let him work or lay him off or not. >> It makes me nervous that I could be liable should something happen >> while >> working under this restriction. I don't let anyone back without permission from the doctor. The permission slip could say can work with some restrictions. I usually accommodate. On another note, a previous insurance carrier did say that some companies would send chronic workers comp employees to Goodwill Industries to work (the employee would still be under my payroll - which is a donation) until they could perform their normal duties. He said it's amazing how fast they get better and how much less they claim workers comp. Hmmmm... Thanks, Mark Weinfurter N. E. W. Printing 1718 E. Wisconsin Ave. Appleton, WI 54911 1-888-563-0400 Fax 920-735-9945 www.newprinting.com mark@newprinting.com 'A very cool web site...www.newprinting.com From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Oct 23 16:19:18 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Oct 23 16:23:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fire Update In-Reply-To: <5D921234-FFA3-4C9F-8D4A-6358B2FDA260@inkonpaper.biz> References: <006201c80b5f$081a0220$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <5D921234-FFA3-4C9F-8D4A-6358B2FDA260@inkonpaper.biz> Message-ID: <200710232022.l9NKMCBk095254@i2bnetworks.com> Well, we may have turned the corner but its still like Armegeddon out there. Thank you for all the emails and phone calls and offers of help. At this time we have over 500,000 people under mandatory evac but the winds are turning and we're starting to see hopefully the beginning of the onshore ocean winds to break down the effect of the Santa Ana offshore winds. here's a current map of what's up if you want to see: http://tinyurl.com/35vwcu Our house is in the top left corner of grid 1208 just below highway 56. The way the winds are starting to shift I think they're not going to make us leave but we're pretty close to the edge. The office is at the bottom of 1208 and probably far enough away if we have to go but I think that we're going to be OK. I think we'll stay closed for the rest of the week. Doing business under these conditions is pretty much a non starter. I'm thinking about all of the people at the shelters and those who have lost they're homes. Its very sad. The amazing thing is that everyone has been so civil. No panic, no looting, they have more food and volunteers than they can use. So many people willing to help, and the city/state/feds have been so organized like a well oiled machine. I think there were a lot of lessons learned from Katrina, many of them I see in action today. This is a great city, with great people. Thank you for all of your thoughts. Scott _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From joseph at mauiprintworks.com Tue Oct 23 17:41:27 2007 From: joseph at mauiprintworks.com (Joseph Marsh) Date: Tue Oct 23 17:42:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Vista OS In-Reply-To: References: <01b401c81291$b4513d40$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <029c01c81299$0f4a6850$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <010b01c8129b$573e9850$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <01ea01c8129b$ffc87fe0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <200710200013.l9K0D32b010519@i2bnetworks.com> <83d5b9620710230631n34485922g95c47538a72a6bf6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <748CFE98-F41E-479C-8CED-E43E94D1CCB3@mauiprintworks.com> Charles- Did you buy HAL from the Space Odyssey? :) On Oct 23, 2007, at 6:43 AM, Charles A. Lincoln wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Here is our experience with VISTA. It takes over the network. It > takes over other computers. We have 1 vista computer and we must > shut it down at night otherwise when we come in it has seized the > network and no one else can connect to the internet. Even after > turning off updates it runs them during the night and that appears > to take over every other network function. On my mac, I normally > print to an hp printer and that is the default I have set. It takes > that over and whatever printer the vista machine last ran now is my > default. Our IT guy wants to upgrade to XP but I recommend we stick > it out and master it. Any thoughts on why it is taking over > everything? > > Thanks, > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > Charles Lincoln > ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY > 612 30th Avenue > Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 > (907) 451-1111 > fax (907) 451-4511 > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > Joseph Marsh Maui Print Works Phone: 808-242-6634 Fax: 808-242-8967 Cell: 808-264-6382 joseph@mauiprintworks.com From ahavens at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 23 17:57:28 2007 From: ahavens at sbcglobal.net (Havens Printing and Copy Shop) Date: Tue Oct 23 17:55:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How did you get started in acquiring 4 color equipment References: <002201c81597$99ecff30$418c10ac@SMITHPRINT.local> Message-ID: <004701c815bf$b491f3e0$1a01a8c0@Leah> I would look very hard at 4 color trade printers. > Expense of equipment to start up > How big will your learning curve be? > Are you busy now with the work you are comfortable with? > 4c can be an add-on revenue source without all the front end expense Just some ideas to throw in the mix. Austin Havens, Owner Havens Printing & Copy Shop 200 N Main McPherson, KS 67460 620-241-5400 ahavens@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Smith" To: "'PrintOwners'" Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 12:10 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] How did you get started in acquiring 4 color equipment > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I need your advice, we have been holding back on purchasing 4 color > equipment. We are brokering our jobs to local printers, whom we thought > would work with us on pricing. The truth is they charge us the same price > as their own customers. Some have even contacted our customers and told > them their doing our 4 color work. Not Good! > > > > So where did you start? Do you go from duplicators to a used true 2 color > press or go right into a 4 color press? Are did you go from duplicators > to > a digital press? At what point do you start looking to buy or lease > equipment that will handle your 4 color work? > > > > It seems to us that you go from a duplicator price of $50K to used 4 color > equipment starting at $150K, then the additional cost of a plate setter at > $50K. > > > > Thanks for your feed back, > > Randy Smith > > Smith Printing Co. > > Leeds, AL 35094 > > Office: 205.699.2284 > > Fax: 205.699.8660 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From ernlang at planttel.net Tue Oct 23 18:05:13 2007 From: ernlang at planttel.net (ernlang@planttel.net) Date: Tue Oct 23 17:58:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fire Update In-Reply-To: <200710232022.l9NKMCBk095254@i2bnetworks.com> References: <006201c80b5f$081a0220$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <5D921234-FFA3-4C9F-8D4A-6358B2FDA260@inkonpaper.biz> <200710232022.l9NKMCBk095254@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <49186.216.105.178.84.1193177113.squirrel@webmail.planttel.net> > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > Well, we may have turned the corner but its still like Armegeddon out > there. Thank you for all the emails and phone calls and offers of help. > here's a current map of what's up if you want to see: > ht