From craig at portageprinting.com Thu Nov 1 05:56:42 2007 From: craig at portageprinting.com (Craig Vestal) Date: Thu Nov 1 05:56:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Remittance envelopes References: <20071031204917.B14C5C3D624@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <006a01c81c75$e3548e60$0400000a@CraigNotebook> John, We struggled with this problem until we got an appliance from Printer's Shopper. It looks like 10 venetian blinds welded to an L-shaped steel plate. Each of the 10 sections holds about 50 remit envelopes, and once you get the hang of it, it works pretty well. We have not touched it since the day we put in an envelope feeder, so contact me off list if you would like it. Craig Vestal President Portage Printing 1116 W Centre, Portage, MI 49024 269.323.9333 PortagePrinting.com From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Thu Nov 1 09:03:02 2007 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Thu Nov 1 09:03:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printing over U.V. Coating In-Reply-To: <4728B222.2000802@mousegraphics.com> References: <4728B222.2000802@mousegraphics.com> Message-ID: Several years ago we had 50m 4/4 Brochure Shells printed on card stock and U.V. Coated, except for two places where we customized for locations with black ink. No problems... Now our customer wants to cover us some info that has a U.V. coating on it. We are going to give it a try... using Tuff Tex Black ink. Anyone have any advice on how to best do this? We will overprint a black square (will be ugly, but customer not concerned about that). Thanks, Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 From mike at arborprinting.com Thu Nov 1 10:33:18 2007 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Thu Nov 1 10:33:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Numbering softwre References: <1A9ADF66-FCBF-4985-8C59-15B04A818A35@mauiprintworks.com> <471F747B.9070407@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: <010401c81c9c$87a4a790$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> I know I've seen this befor, but we are looking for software that numbers when sending to a copier or printer, multi up, like for tickets etc. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com mike@arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Peters" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Trapping in Indesign > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >> >> >> A graphic designer has sent us a file that is 2 spot colors. They did >> not build in trapping. How can we get this job to trap? We are looking in >> InDesign under window - output - trap presets. We just can't figure it >> out. >> >> > > InDesign won't trap placed images. You have to do the trapping either in > the image file or in RIP. > > Russ Peters > MOBILE PRINT, INC. > 201 W. Central Road > Mount Prospect, IL 60056 > Phone: 847-398-6155 > Fax: 847-398-0788 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From swiftyprinting at mac.com Thu Nov 1 10:39:15 2007 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Thu Nov 1 10:43:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Numbering softwre In-Reply-To: <010401c81c9c$87a4a790$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> References: <1A9ADF66-FCBF-4985-8C59-15B04A818A35@mauiprintworks.com> <471F747B.9070407@mobile-print.com> <010401c81c9c$87a4a790$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: <4028FA0D-B2FE-42A3-BBBF-E80338872D36@mac.com> On Nov 1, 2007, at 11:33 AM, Mike@arborprinting.com wrote: > > I know I've seen this befor, but we are looking for software that > numbers when sending to a copier or printer, multi up, like for > tickets etc. > Thanks, The Auto-Number Software from Quality Press Software works great. www.qualitypresssoftware.com 508-234-4129 Simple and versitile. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Thu Nov 1 10:42:37 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Thu Nov 1 10:44:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Numbering softwre In-Reply-To: <010401c81c9c$87a4a790$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> References: <1A9ADF66-FCBF-4985-8C59-15B04A818A35@mauiprintworks.com><471F747B.9070407@mobile-print.com> <010401c81c9c$87a4a790$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: Indesign, along with Excel, does this very well. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mike@arborprinting.com Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 10:33 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Numbering softwre ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I know I've seen this befor, but we are looking for software that numbers when sending to a copier or printer, multi up, like for tickets etc. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com mike@arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Peters" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Trapping in Indesign > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >> >> >> A graphic designer has sent us a file that is 2 spot colors. They did >> not build in trapping. How can we get this job to trap? We are looking in >> InDesign under window - output - trap presets. We just can't figure it >> out. >> >> > > InDesign won't trap placed images. You have to do the trapping either in > the image file or in RIP. > > Russ Peters > MOBILE PRINT, INC. > 201 W. Central Road > Mount Prospect, IL 60056 > Phone: 847-398-6155 > Fax: 847-398-0788 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bherion at bucksdigital.com Thu Nov 1 10:39:28 2007 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Thu Nov 1 10:46:35 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Wide Format In-Reply-To: <20071101140336.84317C4A26E@rb.enter.net> References: <20071101140336.84317C4A26E@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071101113654.0334db10@bucksdigital.com> Tommy, Not sure if this has been mentioned... I use Fellers for my hemming. Good price and quick (most is same day service and never more than overnight) They have a location about 30 minutes from you. http://www.fellers.com/ Hope that helps. Bob At 10:03 AM 11/1/2007, you wrote: >but clients are used to the >hemming. > >Thanks > > >Tommy Melendez > > >Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. >3612 E. Tremont Avenue >Bronx, N.Y. 10465 >NAQP Member #1031539 >718.904.7760 >718.892.2315 Fax Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From yaakov at sparkdirectny.com Thu Nov 1 10:50:55 2007 From: yaakov at sparkdirectny.com (Yaakov Reshef) Date: Thu Nov 1 10:51:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Numbering softwre Message-ID: Rimon, Look at this- I have a job for bat sheva that we need to put numbers on- this might cover the cost. Yaakov Reshef SPARK Direct * Kwik Kopy Printing Marketing * Printing * Solutions 7 East 37th Street-NYC-10016 Tel: 212-328-2001 Fax: 212-328-2007(new number) yaakov@Sparkdirectny.com www.sparkdirectny.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 11:39 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Numbering softwre ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Nov 1, 2007, at 11:33 AM, Mike@arborprinting.com wrote: > > I know I've seen this befor, but we are looking for software that > numbers when sending to a copier or printer, multi up, like for > tickets etc. > Thanks, The Auto-Number Software from Quality Press Software works great. www.qualitypresssoftware.com 508-234-4129 Simple and versitile. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bherion at bucksdigital.com Thu Nov 1 11:09:13 2007 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Thu Nov 1 11:09:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Printing over U.V. Coating In-Reply-To: <20071101140336.84317C4A26E@rb.enter.net> References: <20071101140336.84317C4A26E@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071101114128.0335dba8@bucksdigital.com> Never seen it successfully done, Ben, but then I've been in digital so long that there may be an ink solution. If not, I can tell you that I had complete success with stamping over it. Very opaque, clean, professional looking. Good luck. Bob At 10:03 AM 11/1/2007, you wrote: >Now our customer wants to cover us some info that has a U.V. coating >on it. We are going to give it a try... using Tuff Tex Black ink. > >Anyone have any advice on how to best do this? We will overprint a >black square (will be ugly, but customer not concerned about that). >Thanks, > >Ben Travis > >Copy Express >4004-A South Blvd. >Charlotte, NC 20209 >cpyxpres@bellsouth.net >704-527-1750 Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From printer at ptialaska.net Thu Nov 1 11:14:15 2007 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Thu Nov 1 11:14:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Printing over U.V. Coating In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20071101114128.0335dba8@bucksdigital.com> References: <20071101140336.84317C4A26E@rb.enter.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20071101114128.0335dba8@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <4C29566E-0717-4877-83CA-F6BEA0D451E1@ptialaska.net> On Nov 1, 2007, at 8:09 AM, Bob Herion wrote: > At 10:03 AM 11/1/2007, you wrote: >> Now our customer wants to cover us some info that has a U.V. coating >> on it. We are going to give it a try... using Tuff Tex Black ink. REPLY: Foil Stamping or Thermography will work... _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Thu Nov 1 11:14:31 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Thu Nov 1 11:15:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Regency Thermographers - wholesaler or competition? In-Reply-To: <20071101140336.4FBD4C4A26B@rb.enter.net> References: <20071101140336.4FBD4C4A26B@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <91d87a20cf3254e33ead70bb9e862e14@sheergraphics.com> A neighbor of ours wants us to print 4,000 letterheads for her father's roofing business. Our retail price is significantly higher than her previous end-user invoice from 'wholesaler' Regency Thermographers in Pennsylvania. On Regency's website I copied: "About Regency For over 50 years Regency has been the #1 trade source ... As a wholesaler ... Regency does not sell direct..." Does anybody trust Regency Thermographers NOT to sell retail? Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From yaakov at sparkdirectny.com Thu Nov 1 11:48:39 2007 From: yaakov at sparkdirectny.com (Yaakov Reshef) Date: Thu Nov 1 11:48:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mac Guru Needed(from Brian O'Day) Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Brian O'Day [mailto:brianoday@eprintservices.com] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 12:18 PM To: Yaakov Reshef Subject: FW: Mac Guru Needed Would you please post this to the printowners list for me. For some reason I can not post! Brian O'Day ePrint 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: Brian O'Day Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:59 PM To: 'printowners-owner@printweb.org' Subject: Mac Guru Needed Last weekend we attempted to change from our snap server to a new windows small business server. Everything went well except now we can't see the full file names from the Macs what we see is a shortened name that has a max of 8 characters followed by a three letter extension. They are fine when viewed on a PC. Has anyone seen a similar problem and any suggestions for a fix? Brian O'Day ePrint 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 From richard at weprintcary.com Thu Nov 1 11:51:23 2007 From: richard at weprintcary.com (Richard Cobb) Date: Thu Nov 1 11:52:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Printing over U.V. Coating In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20071101114128.0335dba8@bucksdigital.com> References: <20071101140336.84317C4A26E@rb.enter.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20071101114128.0335dba8@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <472A040B.2060202@weprintcary.com> Several years ago, did it very successfully with my Doc12. Richard Cobb Allegra Print & Imaging 1155 Kildaire Farm Road Cary, NC 27511 919-468-3334 fax 919-468-3880 The Future of Printing is Here Helping Businesses Find Ways to Enhance the VALUE of Their Print Communications! Bob Herion wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Never seen it successfully done, Ben, but then I've been in digital so > long that there may be an ink solution. > If not, I can tell you that I had complete success with stamping over > it. Very opaque, clean, professional looking. > Good luck. > Bob > > > At 10:03 AM 11/1/2007, you wrote: >> Now our customer wants to cover us some info that has a U.V. coating >> on it. We are going to give it a try... using Tuff Tex Black ink. >> >> Anyone have any advice on how to best do this? We will overprint a >> black square (will be ugly, but customer not concerned about that). >> Thanks, >> >> Ben Travis >> >> Copy Express >> 4004-A South Blvd. >> Charlotte, NC 20209 >> cpyxpres@bellsouth.net >> 704-527-1750 > > Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's > Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 > 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 > www.bucksdigital.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From bob at bergey.net Thu Nov 1 11:59:06 2007 From: bob at bergey.net (Bob Bergey) Date: Thu Nov 1 11:59:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mac Guru Needed(from Brian O'Day) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 12:48 PM -0400 on 11/1/07, Yaakov Reshef wrote: > From: Brian O'Day [mailto:brianoday@eprintservices.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 12:18 PM > To: Yaakov Reshef > Subject: FW: Mac Guru Needed > > Would you please post this to the printowners list for me. For some > reason I can not post! You sent it to me instead of to the list. Bob -- ====================================================================== Bob Bergey -- 215-527-1048 -- Perkasie, PA Internet Services for the Printing Industry Web Hosting & E-Mail Services: BERGEY.NET ====================================================================== From mark at newprinting.com Thu Nov 1 12:36:24 2007 From: mark at newprinting.com (Mark Weinfurter) Date: Thu Nov 1 12:37:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Printing over U.V. Coating (Richard Cobb) In-Reply-To: <20071101170002.E3D41C4ACF7@rb.enter.net> References: <20071101170002.E3D41C4ACF7@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7c919d291d5377d5f708b9a95c80e320@newprinting.com> Mailing equipment that uses solvent based ink work very well. This type of equipment can inkjet on plastic, glass, etc. Usually larger mail houses have this equipment. Others that can print on uv: a printing company that has UV capabilities. Or a screen printer, if the qty is small enough. Thanks, Mark Weinfurter N. E. W. Printing 1718 E. Wisconsin Ave. Appleton, WI 54911 1-888-563-0400 Fax 920-735-9945 www.newprinting.com mark@newprinting.com 'A very cool web site...www.newprinting.com' On Nov 1, 2007, at 12:00 PM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > Send PrintOwners mailing list submissions to > printowners@printweb.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > printowners-request@printweb.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > printowners-owner@printweb.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of PrintOwners digest..." > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Digest ***** > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Re: Printing over U.V. Coating (Richard Cobb) > 2. Re: Mac Guru Needed(from Brian O'Day) (Bob Bergey) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 11:51:23 -0500 > From: Richard Cobb > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re: Printing over U.V. Coating > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Message-ID: <472A040B.2060202@weprintcary.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Several years ago, did it very successfully with my Doc12. > > Richard Cobb > Allegra Print & Imaging > 1155 Kildaire Farm Road > Cary, NC 27511 > 919-468-3334 > fax 919-468-3880 > > The Future of Printing is Here > > Helping Businesses Find Ways to Enhance the VALUE of Their > Print Communications! > > Bob Herion wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Never seen it successfully done, Ben, but then I've been in digital so >> long that there may be an ink solution. >> If not, I can tell you that I had complete success with stamping over >> it. Very opaque, clean, professional looking. >> Good luck. >> Bob >> >> >> At 10:03 AM 11/1/2007, you wrote: >>> Now our customer wants to cover us some info that has a U.V. coating >>> on it. We are going to give it a try... using Tuff Tex Black ink. >>> >>> Anyone have any advice on how to best do this? We will overprint a >>> black square (will be ugly, but customer not concerned about that). >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Ben Travis >>> >>> Copy Express >>> 4004-A South Blvd. >>> Charlotte, NC 20209 >>> cpyxpres@bellsouth.net >>> 704-527-1750 From printer at ptialaska.net Thu Nov 1 12:42:30 2007 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Thu Nov 1 12:42:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintSmith Switch In-Reply-To: <308CCB72-E46A-4458-BEFE-5CB3B3E893CD@ccwest.com> References: <003d01c81b27$a88bae20$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <308CCB72-E46A-4458-BEFE-5CB3B3E893CD@ccwest.com> Message-ID: <7C67A5DB-86F6-4E25-9BAD-5F4D7CFCC23E@ptialaska.net> > On Oct 30, 2007, at 2:03 PM, Charlene Sims wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> I myself use PrintSmith but will be changing >> in the next 6 months to Printers Plan because of some of the >> capabilities >> that I see as being very powerful and useful. REPLY: I personally think you better have a really, really, really compelling reason to switch when you already have a program that is working. It is not like switching from Quark to InDesign (at least with them you can use both). To me it seems that switching your business management program could really be disruptive and there are so many unknowns. If Printsmith is installed and working as it should, why would you switch? Now if it is not working then that is a different story. Remember, the grass is always greener (we purchased a C500 from people on the list that were thrilled and it has not been all that great for us), yes the grass is always greener (on the other side of the fence)... _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From slb at inkspot.net Thu Nov 1 13:44:46 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu Nov 1 12:45:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Remittance envelopes In-Reply-To: <006a01c81c75$e3548e60$0400000a@CraigNotebook> Message-ID: <4729D84E.8125.1CE5D83F@slb.inkspot.net> That sounds like the device I was trying to describe, and the catalog in which I saw it....let me know if it works... Steve > > John, > > We struggled with this problem until we got an appliance from Printer's > Shopper. It looks like 10 venetian blinds welded to an L-shaped steel plate. > Each of the 10 sections holds about 50 remit envelopes, and once you get the > hang of it, it works pretty well. > > We have not touched it since the day we put in an envelope feeder, so > contact me off list if you would like it. > > Craig Vestal > President > Portage Printing > 1116 W Centre, Portage, MI 49024 > 269.323.9333 > PortagePrinting.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2632 (20071101) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From dennisdater at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 1 12:40:29 2007 From: dennisdater at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Dater) Date: Thu Nov 1 12:46:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Regency Thermographers - wholesaler or competition? In-Reply-To: <91d87a20cf3254e33ead70bb9e862e14@sheergraphics.com> Message-ID: <20071101174639.0E6FEC4AFA1@rb.enter.net> Simon, I have been using them for 10 years for one customer who needed embossing (blind) plus raised ink that was not heat sensitive. They have never been contacted by Regency (or I believe their new name is Celebration West). Dennis Dater Allegra Print & Imaging 8037 Vickers Street San Diego, CA 92111 858-576-0100 or 619-696-6290 www.allegrasandiego.com dennisdater@sbcglobal.net -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Simon Sheers Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 9:15 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Regency Thermographers - wholesaler or competition? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** A neighbor of ours wants us to print 4,000 letterheads for her father's roofing business. Our retail price is significantly higher than her previous end-user invoice from 'wholesaler' Regency Thermographers in Pennsylvania. On Regency's website I copied: "About Regency For over 50 years Regency has been the #1 trade source ... As a wholesaler ... Regency does not sell direct..." Does anybody trust Regency Thermographers NOT to sell retail? Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.17/1103 - Release Date: 11/1/2007 6:01 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.17/1103 - Release Date: 11/1/2007 6:01 AM From slb at inkspot.net Thu Nov 1 13:43:15 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu Nov 1 12:49:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Regency Thermographers - wholesaler or competition? In-Reply-To: <91d87a20cf3254e33ead70bb9e862e14@sheergraphics.com> References: <20071101140336.4FBD4C4A26B@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <4729D7F3.12091.1CE477BF@slb.inkspot.net> I know we can only get to the "dealer's" section of their web site with our customer number and password. I believe (but I have not checked) that the pricing for non-dealers on their web site (wedding invitations, for example) is higher than that charged to "dealers." I have no idea how selective they are in allowing businesses to sign up as dealers--obviously, the wedding shops and paper-and-party-goods shops are able to do so, as are print brokers. Designers may even qualify. If you give me the job specifications, I'll call Regency for a quote, and you can see whether her "end user" invoice is more likely wholesale or "retail," whatever that means. HTH, Steve > > A neighbor of ours wants us to print 4,000 letterheads for her father's > roofing business. Our retail price is significantly higher than her > previous end-user invoice from 'wholesaler' Regency Thermographers in > Pennsylvania. > > On Regency's website I copied: > "About Regency > For over 50 years Regency has been the #1 trade source ... > As a wholesaler ... > Regency does not sell direct..." > > Does anybody trust Regency Thermographers NOT to sell retail? > > Please reply to Simon Sheers at: > > > Sheer Graphics Inc. > 47 Chestnut Avenue, > Westmont, IL 60559-1127 > Tel: (630) 654-4422 > > Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2632 (20071101) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Thu Nov 1 13:09:05 2007 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Thu Nov 1 13:08:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintSmith Users in the $500-750, 000 range In-Reply-To: <308CCB72-E46A-4458-BEFE-5CB3B3E893CD@ccwest.com> References: <003d01c81b27$a88bae20$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <308CCB72-E46A-4458-BEFE-5CB3B3E893CD@ccwest.com> Message-ID: We've been doing our estimating by hand for almost 20 years (4 for me), so I'm new to the market, and have done fairly unbiased research. We're a much smaller shop (2 macs 2 pcs), but for me Printers Plan was so much easier to use, and fit my needs so much better, its worth buying windows for the Macs to have it. Granted you'll need intel-based macs, so that upgrade may have to happen first, but then you can run windows and mac osx on the same screen, and bounce back and forth seamlessly. Obviously you don't want to upgrade your computers just for this, but until then you're stuck with PrintSmith. I do think its bush league that Printer's Plan doesn't offer a Mac version anymore though. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com On Oct 30, 2007, at 3:36 PM, James Diorio wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > The last I checked Printers Plan has only support for the PC > platform. We have 12 computers here running Printsmith on Mac > preventing us from making a change. If anyone knows differently I > would love to hear about it! > > James > > > On Oct 30, 2007, at 2:03 PM, Charlene Sims wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Craig I will say what John can't as a consultant and remain >> unbiased. This >> discussion about estimating software has been one of the hottest >> things on >> an ongoing basis and that might be why people have been a little >> quiet. I >> would feel safe to say that the #1 recommended software that a lot >> of people >> on this list would recommend would be Printers Plan. They have an >> excellent >> program with superb support. I myself use PrintSmith but will be >> changing >> in the next 6 months to Printers Plan because of some of the >> capabilities >> that I see as being very powerful and useful. >> ch >> >> Charlene Sims >> >> The Master's Press, Inc >> 14550 Midway Road >> Dallas, Tx 75244 >> 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 >> char@themasterspress.com >> www.themasterspress.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of >> QKCONSULT@aol.com >> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 1:48 PM >> To: printowners@printweb.org >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintSmith Users in the $500-750, >> 000 range >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> >> In a message dated 10/30/2007 10:41:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> craig@sutterprinting.com writes: >> >> what is your >> favorite? Maybe we should upgrade thanks >> >> >> >> Craig, I initially avoided your question because I really don't >> think it is >> >> my place to recommend a specific program. After all is said and done, >> virtually all of the computerized estimating programs out there >> today are >> incredibly >> powerful programs and all can do the job they were intended for >> if set up >> properly. It would be a very unusual set of circumstances to >> find myself >> recommending that someone actually switch or change from one >> estimating >> program to >> the next. I think it would be a rare situation where the software >> itself is >> >> the primary source of fundamental problems being encountered >> within a shop. >> >> >> >> >> >> John Stewart >> Q. P. Consulting, Inc. >> Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http:// >> www.printshopsforsale.net/) >> >> by Larry Hunt & John Stewart >> >> 2110 S. Dairy Road >> West Melbourne, FL 32904 >> 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 >> Cell: 321-794-6259 >> _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) >> "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's new at http:// >> www.aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > > > Click "HERE" for our wide Format Gallery!! > --------------------------------------------- > James Diorio > 512-804-2299 > www.ccwest.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Thu Nov 1 13:25:22 2007 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Thu Nov 1 13:25:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Regency Thermographers - Competition In-Reply-To: <91d87a20cf3254e33ead70bb9e862e14@sheergraphics.com> References: <20071101140336.4FBD4C4A26B@rb.enter.net> <91d87a20cf3254e33ead70bb9e862e14@sheergraphics.com> Message-ID: <472A1A12.7000101@sugarloafprint.com> Regency once had a plant in Hazleton. Anybody who knew someone who worked there could get the dealer's discount. Heck, even if you repaired their AC, heating system or collected their garbage you could get the same discount. Simon Sheers wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > A neighbor of ours wants us to print 4,000 letterheads for her > father's roofing business. Our retail price is significantly higher > than her previous end-user invoice from 'wholesaler' Regency > Thermographers in Pennsylvania. > > On Regency's website I copied: > "About Regency > For over 50 years Regency has been the #1 trade source ... > As a wholesaler ... > Regency does not sell direct..." > > Does anybody trust Regency Thermographers NOT to sell retail? > > Please reply to Simon Sheers at: > > > Sheer Graphics Inc. > 47 Chestnut Avenue, > Westmont, IL 60559-1127 > Tel: (630) 654-4422 > > Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From cpurvine1 at cox.net Thu Nov 1 13:30:17 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Thu Nov 1 13:30:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintSmith Switch In-Reply-To: <7C67A5DB-86F6-4E25-9BAD-5F4D7CFCC23E@ptialaska.net> References: <003d01c81b27$a88bae20$0b01a8c0@CharXP><308CCB72-E46A-4458-BEFE-5CB3B3E893CD@ccwest.com> <7C67A5DB-86F6-4E25-9BAD-5F4D7CFCC23E@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: <029501c81cb5$40ab3700$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Charles, I am surprised at you. When you were having such a fit about PrintSmith and the dongle, Tulin jumped in and offered to help any way that she could. Printer's Plan has always been to most responsive to our needs and they are always trying to improve on an already great program. I don't see where PrintSmith cares about any of their customers. I had PrintSmith and never could figure the darn thing out. I am VERY happy with Printer's Plan and use it daily. If anyone wants to try Printer's Plan, they give you a whole year to decide if you like it or not. What other program will do that? Just my thoughts. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Thu Nov 1 13:29:32 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Thu Nov 1 13:30:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintSmith Users in the $500-750, 000 range In-Reply-To: <20071101180809.6E870C4B12E@rb.enter.net> References: <20071101180809.6E870C4B12E@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: > The last I checked Printers Plan has only support for the PC platform. > We have 12 computers here running Printsmith on Mac preventing us > from making a change. If anyone knows differently I would love to > hear about it! PrintPoint can run both Mac and PCs concurrently, on the same network, on the same Intel iMac if desired! From their website : "Using state-of-the-art Client/Server network technology, you can run PrintPoint on 2 to 100 workstations so users on a network can perform their duties throughout the day. Available as either all Macintosh or Windows network as well as cross-platform for both operating systems. PrintPoint's multi-user version requires a dedicated server running Mac OS X, Mac OS 9.2.2 or Windows 2000 and XP. Cross Platform allows you to use Mac and Windows computers on the same network." Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Thu Nov 1 13:39:05 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Thu Nov 1 13:39:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Regency Thermographers - wholesaler or competition? In-Reply-To: <20071101180809.6E870C4B12E@rb.enter.net> References: <20071101180809.6E870C4B12E@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <9ca15e352e352018b8028064941481a0@sheergraphics.com> Thanks for the responses, but I just wondered why any vendor, who advertises as 'wholesale' or 'trade source' or 'does not sell direct', would sell, ship to and invoice an end-user whose printed stationery is obviously not for resale. > A neighbor of ours wants us to print 4,000 letterheads for her father's > roofing business. Our retail price is significantly higher than her > previous > end-user invoice from 'wholesaler' Regency Thermographers in > Pennsylvania. > > On Regency's website I copied: > "About Regency > For over 50 years Regency has been the #1 trade source ... > As a wholesaler ... > Regency does not sell direct..." > > Does anybody trust Regency Thermographers NOT to sell retail? Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From mail at myprinter.biz Thu Nov 1 14:04:20 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Thu Nov 1 14:05:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Your apparent retail operations - while you're masquerading as strictly a wholesaler Message-ID: TWIMC: A fellow printshop owner member in one of the internet discussion groups in which we participate has brought to our attention that you adveritse yourselves as a trade printer that doesn't sell direct to the public ("For over 50 years Regency has been the #1 trade source ...As a wholesaler ... Regency does not sell direct..."), but that you do exactly that. As a franchisee of the Sir Speedy and PIP networks, I think my fellow Sir Speedy and PIP owners, none of whom are inclined to support their competition, would be interested in getting that information - which I'll gladly supply them - along with your response. Do you have one? Dan Lipford Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz From printer at ptialaska.net Thu Nov 1 14:19:05 2007 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Thu Nov 1 14:19:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintSmith Switch In-Reply-To: <029501c81cb5$40ab3700$6401a8c0@corapurvine> References: <003d01c81b27$a88bae20$0b01a8c0@CharXP><308CCB72-E46A-4458-BEFE-5CB3B3E893CD@ccwest.com> <7C67A5DB-86F6-4E25-9BAD-5F4D7CFCC23E@ptialaska.net> <029501c81cb5$40ab3700$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: On Nov 1, 2007, at 10:30 AM, Cora Purvine wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > Charles, I am surprised at you. When you were having such a fit about > PrintSmith and the dongle, Tulin jumped in and offered to help any > way that > she could. Printer's Plan has always been to most responsive to our > needs > and they are always trying to improve on an already great program. > I don't > see where PrintSmith cares about any of their customers. > > I had PrintSmith and never could figure the darn thing out. I am > VERY happy > with Printer's Plan and use it daily. If anyone wants to try > Printer's Plan, > they give you a whole year to decide if you like it or not. What other > program will do that? REPLY: The dongle issue was resolved to my satisfaction, wasn't that Printsmith being responsive? Did you forget that they did change their policy, what more could they have done? Next time when you mention the dongle also remind everyone that PrintSmith did change the policy because of everyone on this list protesting, that is the power of this list. That is a good thing. I never said Printers Plan was not good, what I said was IF YOUR PROGRAM (whatever program you use) WORKS, WHY SWITCH? In your case it was a good move because you never had Printsmith up and running to your satisfaction (it is a booger to set up, but after that it works great). My point is that if you have a program that works to your satisfaction, WHY SWITCH? I dont care what program it is, there will still be a learning curve and much time involved, and I have no spare time to install and learn a whole new system. Switching is not to be taken lightly as it is a huge commitment if you have years (decades) of records and history and experience using the program. As John Stewart stated, the programs all work as advertised, just pick one and use it. Now if you are just implementing the software that is a different story (though I personally would still recommend Printsmith as it has served us well, in spite of its warts). _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From slb at inkspot.net Thu Nov 1 15:33:39 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu Nov 1 14:34:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Regency Thermographers - wholesaler or competition? In-Reply-To: <9ca15e352e352018b8028064941481a0@sheergraphics.com> References: <20071101180809.6E870C4B12E@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <4729F1D3.9769.1D4989DE@slb.inkspot.net> If you, as a printing shop who is alos a Regency dealer, ordered stationery for your business from them, should they, or should they not print it? Just playing "devil's advocate".... Steve > > Thanks for the responses, but I just wondered why any vendor, who > advertises as 'wholesale' or 'trade source' or 'does not sell direct', > would sell, ship to and invoice an end-user whose printed stationery is > obviously not for resale. > > > A neighbor of ours wants us to print 4,000 letterheads for her father's > > roofing business. Our retail price is significantly higher than her > > previous > > end-user invoice from 'wholesaler' Regency Thermographers in > > Pennsylvania. > > > > On Regency's website I copied: > > "About Regency > > For over 50 years Regency has been the #1 trade source ... > > As a wholesaler ... > > Regency does not sell direct..." > > > > Does anybody trust Regency Thermographers NOT to sell retail? > > Please reply to Simon Sheers at: > > > Sheer Graphics Inc. > 47 Chestnut Avenue, > Westmont, IL 60559-1127 > Tel: (630) 654-4422 > > Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2632 (20071101) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From char at themasterspress.com Thu Nov 1 14:45:12 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Thu Nov 1 14:47:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] test Message-ID: <028c01c81cbf$b7b62d00$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Just got informed by a bounce back I am not authorized user. Just checking. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com From cpurvine1 at cox.net Thu Nov 1 15:03:00 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Thu Nov 1 15:03:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintSmith Switch In-Reply-To: References: <003d01c81b27$a88bae20$0b01a8c0@CharXP><308CCB72-E46A-4458-BEFE-5CB3B3E893CD@ccwest.com><7C67A5DB-86F6-4E25-9BAD-5F4D7CFCC23E@ptialaska.net><029501c81cb5$40ab3700$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <02c001c81cc2$347e8880$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Charles, I agree with most of what you say, but the point I was trying to make is that Printer's Plan doesn't need the power of a group putting pressure on them to make a change. All we have to do is ask for it, and if enough of us want it, it is in the next upgradeMaybe it is because they are a smaller company and can be more responsive to what we need. I agree that any program is better than none and maybe if I had had more time to spend getting PrintSmith set up, I might have liked it just as well, but since I am happy, guess I'll just stay where I am Good luck!!! Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From bob at rjmprinting.com Thu Nov 1 15:17:52 2007 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Thu Nov 1 15:18:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintSmith Switch In-Reply-To: <02c001c81cc2$347e8880$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: Cora, I'm just curious did you actually purchase both Printsmith and Printers Plan? Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cora Purvine Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 3:03 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintSmith Switch ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Charles, I agree with most of what you say, but the point I was trying to make is that Printer's Plan doesn't need the power of a group putting pressure on them to make a change. All we have to do is ask for it, and if enough of us want it, it is in the next upgradeMaybe it is because they are a smaller company and can be more responsive to what we need. I agree that any program is better than none and maybe if I had had more time to spend getting PrintSmith set up, I might have liked it just as well, but since I am happy, guess I'll just stay where I am Good luck!!! Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From clc at crownmax.com Thu Nov 1 15:29:02 2007 From: clc at crownmax.com (Charlie Counts) Date: Thu Nov 1 15:29:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Envelopes & Peer Group In-Reply-To: <02c001c81cc2$347e8880$6401a8c0@corapurvine> References: <003d01c81b27$a88bae20$0b01a8c0@CharXP><308CCB72-E46A-4458-BEFE-5CB3B3E893CD@ccwest.com><7C67A5DB-86F6-4E25-9BAD-5F4D7CFCC23E@ptialaska.net><029501c81cb5$40ab3700$6401a8c0@corapurvine> <02c001c81cc2$347e8880$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <001b01c81cc5$d789b380$7201a8c0@Crown.local> We are attempting to run #10 regular envelopes through our Konica-Minolta C500. We can get them to work other than wrinkling the envelope. Has anyone tried this and if so did yours have this issue. Any one have any thoughts on a fix? Other than Don't Do. Also, I am in a Peer Group that is highly organized and disciplined in having meetings and creating real value for the members with strong advice and with the requirement of accurate and timely financial statements. If you are located in the Midwest, can handle constructive criticism, have revenue between $600/k & $1.5/mil and have an interest please contact me OFF LIST. We are only looking for one member. Thank you. Charlie Counts CROWNMAX, Inc. 2301 Roxalana Road P. O. Box 234 Dunbar, WV 25064 1-800-252-4011 Fax 304-744-8652 www.crownmax.com From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Thu Nov 1 15:30:47 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Thu Nov 1 15:32:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintSmith Switch In-Reply-To: <029501c81cb5$40ab3700$6401a8c0@corapurvine> References: <003d01c81b27$a88bae20$0b01a8c0@CharXP><308CCB72-E46A-4458-BEFE-5CB3B3E893CD@ccwest.com><7C67A5DB-86F6-4E25-9BAD-5F4D7CFCC23E@ptialaska.net> <029501c81cb5$40ab3700$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: I have always gotten satisfaction from PS with my concerns. I don't think that was a fair comment. I also agree with Charles. I don't know how you can justify several thousand dollars expense (as much as $8,000 depending on your PS configuration) by purchasing a different software program if the one you have is working. Obviously this is my opinion and not all will agree with me Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cora Purvine Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:30 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintSmith Switch ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I don't see where PrintSmith cares about any of their customers. From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Thu Nov 1 15:33:36 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Thu Nov 1 15:35:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintSmith Switch In-Reply-To: <02c001c81cc2$347e8880$6401a8c0@corapurvine> References: <003d01c81b27$a88bae20$0b01a8c0@CharXP><308CCB72-E46A-4458-BEFE-5CB3B3E893CD@ccwest.com><7C67A5DB-86F6-4E25-9BAD-5F4D7CFCC23E@ptialaska.net><029501c81cb5$40ab3700$6401a8c0@corapurvine> <02c001c81cc2$347e8880$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: Cora, look at what you just said. "All we have to do is ask for it, and if enough of us want it, it is in the next upgrade". That is exactly what Charles pointed out. The dongle issue was stupid, enough PS users wanted it changed, and they changed it. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu Nov 1 15:40:52 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 1 15:41:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need Insurance input from Florida (Southeastern Printers) Message-ID: Well, it looks like Hartford Insurance Company, the one that saw us through Hurricane Jeanne has pulled out of Florida and we are having a hell of a time finding a company that is willing and able to provide insurance on our building and contents.... As opposed to the Hartford Policy which cost us about $4,000 in the two years following our claim (up from $3,500 or so) to cover about (ballpark) $375,000 contents and similar for building, we are now looking at $12,000 and that still excludes any "errors and omissions." For those printers in the Southeast who are susceptible to hurricanes, etc. can you tell me who you are using? Thanks for any input. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From cpurvine1 at cox.net Thu Nov 1 15:42:53 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Thu Nov 1 15:43:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintSmith Switch In-Reply-To: References: <02c001c81cc2$347e8880$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <02cb01c81cc7$c6c94d10$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Yes Bob. I purchased the lite version of PrintSmith to start with because I am mostly a copy shop and didn't think it was doing what I wanted so I purchased the full version thinking that I would like that better. I am a really small shop. Only my husband, myself, a part-timer and a part time bookkeeper. I never did get it set up and got tired of fighting it and found out that I had had it too long and couldn't sell it and got so mad that I threw it in the trash and bought Printer's Plan. I still have some more tweaking to do in Printer's Plan, but it was sooooo much easier for me to use that I am glad I purchased it. Also at that time everyone was really having a problem with the dongle and Printer's Plan doesn't have one. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bob Molacek Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 3:18 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintSmith Switch ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Cora, I'm just curious did you actually purchase both Printsmith and Printers Plan? Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cora Purvine Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 3:03 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintSmith Switch ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Charles, I agree with most of what you say, but the point I was trying to make is that Printer's Plan doesn't need the power of a group putting pressure on them to make a change. All we have to do is ask for it, and if enough of us want it, it is in the next upgradeMaybe it is because they are a smaller company and can be more responsive to what we need. I agree that any program is better than none and maybe if I had had more time to spend getting PrintSmith set up, I might have liked it just as well, but since I am happy, guess I'll just stay where I am Good luck!!! Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2632 (20071101) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From cpurvine1 at cox.net Thu Nov 1 15:47:37 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Thu Nov 1 15:48:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintSmith Switch In-Reply-To: References: <003d01c81b27$a88bae20$0b01a8c0@CharXP><308CCB72-E46A-4458-BEFE-5CB3B3E893CD@ccwest.com><7C67A5DB-86F6-4E25-9BAD-5F4D7CFCC23E@ptialaska.net><029501c81cb5$40ab3700$6401a8c0@corapurvine><02c001c81cc2$347e8880$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <02cc01c81cc8$6ff3ba60$6401a8c0@corapurvine> True Mark, but if I remember right, the PrintSmith group had to threaten and all we have to do is ask Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From sos at olympus.net Thu Nov 1 15:50:13 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu Nov 1 15:51:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Regency Thermographers - wholesaler or competition? References: <20071101180809.6E870C4B12E@rb.enter.net> <4729F1D3.9769.1D4989DE@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <059f01c81cc8$cd1a7800$0300a8c0@DANIEL> > If you, as a printing shop who is alos a Regency dealer, ordered > stationery for your business from them, should they, or should they > not print it? > > Just playing "devil's advocate".... =================== Yes, they should print it for a printing company that is set up as a dealer. That's one of the advantages of owning a printshop, you can "print" your own stuff. But a building contractor should not be able to become a dealer. Not that they can't fib and get an account, I'll bet. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Thu Nov 1 15:50:42 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Thu Nov 1 15:52:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need Insurance input from Florida (SoutheasternPrinters) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hurricane coverage is really cheap in Wisconsin Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 From davek at epgvl.com Thu Nov 1 15:57:42 2007 From: davek at epgvl.com (Dave Knapp) Date: Thu Nov 1 15:56:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need Insurance input from Florida (SoutheasternPrinters) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00fd01c81cc9$d94bd910$64fea8c0@DAVE> John, Believe it or not, my policy is with Auto-Owners. Purchased through a local agent, but the company is headquartered in Michigan. Also have my workman's comp with them. Dave Knapp Express Press of Greenville 555A South Pleasantburg Drive Greenville, SC 29607 864/235-6950 864/242-3354 fax DaveK@epgvl.com www.epgvl.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 3:41 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Need Insurance input from Florida (SoutheasternPrinters) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Well, it looks like Hartford Insurance Company, the one that saw us through Hurricane Jeanne has pulled out of Florida and we are having a hell of a time finding a company that is willing and able to provide insurance on our building and contents.... As opposed to the Hartford Policy which cost us about $4,000 in the two years following our claim (up from $3,500 or so) to cover about (ballpark) $375,000 contents and similar for building, we are now looking at $12,000 and that still excludes any "errors and omissions." For those printers in the Southeast who are susceptible to hurricanes, etc. can you tell me who you are using? Thanks for any input. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From Minmandon at aol.com Thu Nov 1 16:01:41 2007 From: Minmandon at aol.com (Minmandon@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 1 16:02:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need Insurance input from Florida (Southeastern Printers) Message-ID: John, Do you know that Hartford is pulling out of Florida completely? I've had them for about 15 years with one small claim after Wilma went through. I'm located about 5 miles west of the ocean. Don Carney Minuteman Press Deerfield 954 421-9904 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Thu Nov 1 16:13:48 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Thu Nov 1 16:14:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need Insurance input from Florida (SoutheasternPrinters) In-Reply-To: <20071101205229.C2BCAC4BC9B@rb.enter.net> References: <20071101205229.C2BCAC4BC9B@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: > Hurricane coverage is really cheap in Wisconsin Not if Florida Governor Crist has his wish! Cheeseheads would have to pay for Floridians' risky choices. We'd ALL pay for the risk incurred by those that build in flood-prone, below sea-level or hurricane areas. "The idea behind the proposed national fund for natural disasters is that policyholders all over the nation would share the risk should a major disaster occur anywhere part of the country: a major earthquake in California, a hurricane smashing into Texas, a twister in Kansas or flooding along the Mississippi River." Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From char at themasterspress.com Thu Nov 1 16:21:32 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Thu Nov 1 16:24:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Konica Message-ID: <02c601c81ccd$2cf66dc0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Here is some information you might be interested in if you are not on the NAQP member list. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com Dear Members of NAQP As most of you know, the association does have a significant discount program with Konica Minolta on the 6500 and many other pieces of equipment, most recently adding some Epson and KIP wide format printers and accessories. In addition, the NAQP/NAPL pricing contract established an aggressive click charge (11x17), locked in for 5 years from install date. Back in April we were informed of a change from the original click charge rate to $0.059 for any new orders of the 6500. Through persistence on both the association's part and that of Konica Minolta's team, we are proud to announce that the click charge rate is being lowered to $0.049 with no minimum commitment. (Additional savings could be on the horizon for those willing to set click commitments.) This reduction will be applied automatically to anyone paying more than $.049 and purchased their equipment through the NAQP/NAPL contract (also any new proposals or installs). Again, these click charges are locked in for 5 years from installation. These changes were presented during a meeting between NAQP and Konica Minolta on Tuesday, October 30 and go into effect today, November 1. Christina M. Ciurej Vice President NAQP, a member of the NAPL Network 2250 E. Devon Avenue Suite 245 Des Plaines, IL 60018 P: 800.234.0040 F: 847.298.8705 cciurej@printimage.org From george at dahlquistprinting.com Thu Nov 1 17:54:35 2007 From: george at dahlquistprinting.com (George Dahlquist) Date: Thu Nov 1 16:54:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need Insurance input from Florida (SoutheasternPrinters) References: Message-ID: <005401c81cda$2d741650$0a01a8c0@george> We had a similar situation earlier in the year when our building policy with Hartford came up for renewal. They notified us then that they were not going the write the coverage any longer. I called our local (independent) agent and since we also have the Hartford "business package" he got them to agree to bundle the building with it. You may want to try that avenue...and then again, I may also be in for a little surprise come renewal time. The fact that you had a substantial claim may have something to do with it too. Plus, we are not on the coast as you are. It's getting harder and harder for a small business to survive in the sunshine state. George Dahlquist Dahlquist Printing & Graphics Orlando, FL Subject: [PrintOwners] Need Insurance input from Florida (SoutheasternPrinters) > Well, it looks like Hartford Insurance Company, the one that saw us > through > Hurricane Jeanne has pulled out of Florida and we are having a hell of a > time > finding a company that is willing and able to provide insurance on our > building and contents.... As opposed to the Hartford Policy which cost us > about > $4,000 in the two years following our claim (up from $3,500 or so) to > cover > about (ballpark) $375,000 contents and similar for building, we are now > looking > at $12,000 and that still excludes any "errors and omissions." > > For those printers in the Southeast who are susceptible to hurricanes, > etc. > can you tell me who you are using? Thanks for any input. > > > John Stewart From info at desktopsxm.com Thu Nov 1 18:06:50 2007 From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint) Date: Thu Nov 1 18:06:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintSmith Switch In-Reply-To: References: <003d01c81b27$a88bae20$0b01a8c0@CharXP><308CCB72-E46A-4458-BEFE-5CB3B3E893CD@ccwest.com><7C67A5DB-86F6-4E25-9BAD-5F4D7CFCC23E@ptialaska.net> <029501c81cb5$40ab3700$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: This subject is really boring. I have never had a problem when I have requested assistance from Printsmith support. Yes, sometimes you do have to wait for the callback but then the same thing happens when you call companies in the US and you speak to a robot and then get nowhere. I even sent them an email not so long ago when I was off-island telling them my staff was having a problem with Printsmith and could they please call my office and help them. They DID call my office and DID help them. My theory has always been that if it works for you. keep it. I am also not prepared to spend thousands by changing computers and then spend another few thousand on a new program. Joel Brint Desktop Imaging St. Maarten Tel 542-4044 fax 543-1100 "The Printshop with a Difference" On Nov 1, 2007, at 4:30 PM, Mark Lake wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have always gotten satisfaction from PS with my concerns. I don't > think > that was a fair comment. I also agree with Charles. I don't know > how you can > justify several thousand dollars expense (as much as $8,000 > depending on > your PS configuration) by purchasing a different software program > if the one > you have is working. Obviously this is my opinion and not all will > agree > with me > > Mark Lake > PIP Printing > 368 Jefferson Street > Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 > 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax > www.pipsturgeonbay.com > Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com > > To send a file to us, please use the link below > http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cora Purvine > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:30 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintSmith Switch > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I don't see where PrintSmith cares about any of their customers. > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu Nov 1 18:39:20 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 1 18:39:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need Insurance input from Florida (Southeastern Printers) Message-ID: In a message dated 11/1/2007 5:03:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Minmandon@aol.com writes: John, Do you know that Hartford is pulling out of Florida completely? Yes, that is what we have been told by a Hartford agent. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt & John Stewart _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From awbunny at earthlink.net Thu Nov 1 19:52:16 2007 From: awbunny at earthlink.net (Amy E Watson) Date: Thu Nov 1 19:52:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Horizon MC-80 or Duplo DC10000 collator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02CF23EE-6A8B-4739-9A56-E8FD0B715B7C@earthlink.net> Does anybody have experience with either one of these. Most seem to prefer Horizon but not a bad word on Duplo. We were told to stay away from a Bourg. It's replacing a Bourg AE-22 collator and a 9 pocket Omnibinder. Mostly curious about the Duplo, they seem 'underpriced' in our market. We're looking for a 2 tower with hand marry and offset stacker. Most of our work is books and half size magazines, runs from 100 to 3000. Thanks! Amy Watson 1984 PRINTING 674 B 23rd Street Oakland, CA 94612 510.435.8338 amy@1984printing.com www.1984printing.com From slb at inkspot.net Thu Nov 1 22:38:03 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu Nov 1 21:38:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need Insurance input from Florida (Southeastern Printers) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <472A554B.29328.1ECE17BC@slb.inkspot.net> John, I'm not sure who covers your area, but my experience has been that insurance companies who don't understand the printing business, don't know how to price their property and casualty coverage for a printing business. The only insurers I've found to be worth considering have been Hartford, Harford, and Sentry. If there are others, I'd like to know, but, so far, only those three have been interested in offering coverage comparable to what we want, at prices comparable to what we've been paying. HTH, Steve > > Well, it looks like Hartford Insurance Company, the one that saw us through > Hurricane Jeanne has pulled out of Florida and we are having a hell of a time > finding a company that is willing and able to provide insurance on our > building and contents.... As opposed to the Hartford Policy which cost us about > $4,000 in the two years following our claim (up from $3,500 or so) to cover > about (ballpark) $375,000 contents and similar for building, we are now looking > at $12,000 and that still excludes any "errors and omissions." > > For those printers in the Southeast who are susceptible to hurricanes, etc. > can you tell me who you are using? Thanks for any input. > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2632 (20071101) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From slb at inkspot.net Thu Nov 1 22:43:59 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu Nov 1 21:44:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Horizon MC-80 or Duplo DC10000 collator In-Reply-To: <02CF23EE-6A8B-4739-9A56-E8FD0B715B7C@earthlink.net> References: Message-ID: <472A56AF.7561.1ED382C4@slb.inkspot.net> Andy, We have a single-tower version of the Duplo model that replaced the 10000 series. I've heard good things about both Duplo and Standard- Horizon, and can tell you what I know about the differences between the 10000 series Duplo and the current model. It's not quite what you asked, but feel free to call if you're interested. Steve > Does anybody have experience with either one of these. Most seem to > prefer Horizon but not a bad word on Duplo. We were told to stay away > from a Bourg. It's replacing a Bourg AE-22 collator and a 9 pocket > Omnibinder. Mostly curious about the Duplo, they seem 'underpriced' > in our market. We're looking for a 2 tower with hand marry and offset > stacker. Most of our work is books and half size magazines, runs from > 100 to 3000. Thanks! > > Amy Watson > 1984 PRINTING > 674 B 23rd Street > Oakland, CA 94612 > 510.435.8338 > amy@1984printing.com > www.1984printing.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2632 (20071101) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From slb at inkspot.net Thu Nov 1 22:44:51 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu Nov 1 21:45:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Horizon MC-80 or Duplo DC10000 collator In-Reply-To: <02CF23EE-6A8B-4739-9A56-E8FD0B715B7C@earthlink.net> References: Message-ID: <472A56E3.31376.1ED450EC@slb.inkspot.net> OOPS! That should have been Amy, not Andy. I need to read more carefully before I type... Steve > Does anybody have experience with either one of these. Most seem to > prefer Horizon but not a bad word on Duplo. We were told to stay away > from a Bourg. It's replacing a Bourg AE-22 collator and a 9 pocket > Omnibinder. Mostly curious about the Duplo, they seem 'underpriced' > in our market. We're looking for a 2 tower with hand marry and offset > stacker. Most of our work is books and half size magazines, runs from > 100 to 3000. Thanks! > > Amy Watson > 1984 PRINTING > 674 B 23rd Street > Oakland, CA 94612 > 510.435.8338 > amy@1984printing.com > www.1984printing.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2632 (20071101) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From DanF at MMSNY.com Thu Nov 1 22:55:04 2007 From: DanF at MMSNY.com (Dan Flatt) Date: Thu Nov 1 22:51:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Horizon MC-80 or Duplo DC10000 collator Message-ID: Amy, We have both a MC-80 (16 bins total)and the newer speedvac 10 bin towers (40 total) both with stitcher, folder, punch and trimmer. The MC-80 is not a flexible in stocks and sizes as the speedvac but the sucker feet work pretty well. We did have a learning curve on these and looked at the Duplo 10,000. It was a tough call but we were able to negotiate a price on the Standard close to the Duplo wich was cheaper. I would work both parties hard and choose the one with the best service. (All the technology in these causes as many problems as they solve so in that respect the MC-80 might be better. The duplo has control for air at each bin where Horizon has one big pump for the whole tower. This is a plus for the Duplo as it is often hard to control the air in each tower (especially with different weights of stock in different bins. Feel free to call me if you want more info...sorry about the ramble. Dan Flatt Multi media Services www.mmsny.com 607-331-7217 (cell) -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org on behalf of Amy E Watson Sent: Thu 11/1/2007 8:52 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Cc: Subject: [PrintOwners] Horizon MC-80 or Duplo DC10000 collator ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Does anybody have experience with either one of these. Most seem to prefer Horizon but not a bad word on Duplo. We were told to stay away from a Bourg. It's replacing a Bourg AE-22 collator and a 9 pocket Omnibinder. Mostly curious about the Duplo, they seem 'underpriced' in our market. We're looking for a 2 tower with hand marry and offset stacker. Most of our work is books and half size magazines, runs from 100 to 3000. Thanks! Amy Watson 1984 PRINTING 674 B 23rd Street Oakland, CA 94612 510.435.8338 amy@1984printing.com www.1984printing.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From acepm2 at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 05:14:28 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Fri Nov 2 05:14:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintSmith Switch In-Reply-To: References: <003d01c81b27$a88bae20$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <308CCB72-E46A-4458-BEFE-5CB3B3E893CD@ccwest.com> <7C67A5DB-86F6-4E25-9BAD-5F4D7CFCC23E@ptialaska.net> <029501c81cb5$40ab3700$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: Interesting discussion of the PS vs PP software. I was one of several who have used PS for several years only to switch over to PP. What a relief that was. I'm not looking to sit here and bash PS. They can do that all by themselves. What I am going to say is that I did have the program running flawlessly. I knew the ins and outs (with the exception of Report Writer) with no problems. What I did not like is the limits placed on the program by PS. There were many, many features that PP offered that PS did not have. Perhaps Charlene is willing to make that change. What did I loose in data? Nothing. After a year or two you never need to look back anyway. At that time of my switch, PP did not offer a "data import" of PS info. Thanks to my helping, they do now! :) Anyway, the positives far outweigh the negatives for the PS2PP switch. Not difficult at all and we were up and running over the weekend. Good luck in whatever you choose to do. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com From mail at myprinter.biz Fri Nov 2 06:10:34 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Fri Nov 2 06:10:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need Insurance input from Florida (SoutheasternPrinters) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: John - Did you get the message I left on your cell phone voicemail? If not, gimme a call: I think I can help you. Dan Lipford Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 7:39 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Need Insurance input from Florida (SoutheasternPrinters) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 11/1/2007 5:03:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Minmandon@aol.com writes: John, Do you know that Hartford is pulling out of Florida completely? Yes, that is what we have been told by a Hartford agent. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt & John Stewart _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From DanF at MMSNY.com Fri Nov 2 07:42:20 2007 From: DanF at MMSNY.com (Dan Flatt) Date: Fri Nov 2 07:38:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintSmith Switch Message-ID: Thom, What are the things that you can do with PP that are useful for the business that PS can't do? We use PS but we changed to PS when we purchased a local competitor who had run it for years and was happy with it. Previous to that we used Avanti. Avanti was so much overkill and we didn't use 1/4 of the program. It would be a good program for a 5M+ shop that had a dedicated IT person to run it and utilize all of the info. I was new to the game and saw all of the possibilities but underestimated the annual cost of operation ($25,000 to buy and $5,000/yr support plus a staff member to fully utilize it.) This rates as my worst purchasing decision. So too much information is not necessarily a good thing either. Dan Flatt vp/ owner Multi Media Services 11136-40 River Road Corning, NY 14830 main 607-936-3186 CELL 607-331-7217 PLEASE CALL MY CELL FIRST! Fax 877-684-3043 www.mmsny.com Isn't it time that you had a business printer printing for your business? Other contacts: Rick Bartholomew owner 607-769-8111 Luanne Wheeler AR/AP Dick Shelford Sunset Operations 607-331-5775 Patty Carlson Strategic accounts 607-331-5314 Suzie Bartholomew Strategic accounts 607-331-5314 Dave Satterly IR operations 570-882-0485 Ralph Begeal CSR 607-331-5572 Steve Mullen CSR 607-936-3186 Margaret Puffer CSR / mailing 607-936-3186 Rose Flatt Design 607-331-1555 Emily Colletta Design 607-331-7068 Judy Pruyne Design 607-331-5963 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Thom Gulyas Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 6:14 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintSmith Switch ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Interesting discussion of the PS vs PP software. I was one of several who have used PS for several years only to switch over to PP. What a relief that was. I'm not looking to sit here and bash PS. They can do that all by themselves. What I am going to say is that I did have the program running flawlessly. I knew the ins and outs (with the exception of Report Writer) with no problems. What I did not like is the limits placed on the program by PS. There were many, many features that PP offered that PS did not have. Perhaps Charlene is willing to make that change. What did I loose in data? Nothing. After a year or two you never need to look back anyway. At that time of my switch, PP did not offer a "data import" of PS info. Thanks to my helping, they do now! :) Anyway, the positives far outweigh the negatives for the PS2PP switch. Not difficult at all and we were up and running over the weekend. Good luck in whatever you choose to do. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ed at graphicprintersinc.com Fri Nov 2 08:15:14 2007 From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce) Date: Fri Nov 2 08:15:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintSmith Switch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004701c81d52$6b9611e0$5a01a8c0@fileserver> I agree with Joel and would further add if you are making money, employees are trained and everything is working smoothly why would you even want to change? Is there always a better way sure but that doesn't mean it is always advisable or even needed. I just bought a 2005 Ford F150 pickup and I sold my 1995 Chevy 1500 that had 168,000 miles to a guy that is tickled to death to have it. Both of us are happy although I really didn't need to buy another vehicle I just wanted to drive something different after 12 years. But changing from software that I am making a lot of money using to one that may be easier to use but I doubt would make me anymore money is not something I am willing to do. There would have to be some very valid reasons to change and I just haven't had the bad experiences that others apparently have had. PS support has always been there for me or the PS message board came through for me. Trouble with PS has just been a non issue for me. Also in regard to service charges, I pay PS $650 per year for software that runs my entire shop and I pay $895 per year for Accuzip6 software that I only can do mailings with. Both are a great deal and I am a happy customer of both. Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Joel Brint Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 6:07 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintSmith Switch ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** This subject is really boring. I have never had a problem when I have requested assistance from Printsmith support. Yes, sometimes you do have to wait for the callback but then the same thing happens when you call companies in the US and you speak to a robot and then get nowhere. I even sent them an email not so long ago when I was off-island telling them my staff was having a problem with Printsmith and could they please call my office and help them. They DID call my office and DID help them. My theory has always been that if it works for you. keep it. I am also not prepared to spend thousands by changing computers and then spend another few thousand on a new program. Joel Brint Desktop Imaging St. Maarten Tel 542-4044 fax 543-1100 "The Printshop with a Difference" On Nov 1, 2007, at 4:30 PM, Mark Lake wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have always gotten satisfaction from PS with my concerns. I don't > think > that was a fair comment. I also agree with Charles. I don't know > how you can > justify several thousand dollars expense (as much as $8,000 > depending on > your PS configuration) by purchasing a different software program > if the one > you have is working. Obviously this is my opinion and not all will > agree > with me > > Mark Lake > PIP Printing > 368 Jefferson Street > Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 > 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax > www.pipsturgeonbay.com > Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com > > To send a file to us, please use the link below > http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cora Purvine > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:30 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintSmith Switch > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I don't see where PrintSmith cares about any of their customers. > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2633 (20071102) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From John at mpcny.com Fri Nov 2 09:27:11 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Fri Nov 2 08:27:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Costs Re: PrintSmith Switch In-Reply-To: <20071102123828.8D8CAC4DEC5@rb.enter.net> References: <20071102123828.8D8CAC4DEC5@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <005501c81d5c$752e8980$5f8b9c80$@com> Most of you know my EFI disdain. www.mpcny.com/printblogger Here is something to add in. I let my service drop last year out of my protest of EFI. I now find I may need to upgrade to version 8 and get more seats (3-4 more). If I do that I will have to pay 2 years service (last year and this year) to get back on service. + $995 for 3 extra seats (Total of 7), I may need 4 so it could be higher. So right now I would pay $2500, to get what I need from EFI. Now compare this for a PP Printer's Plan licensed up to 5 users is $2,500 (PrintSmith users switch special). Each additional user is $200. If I purchase 2 additional users ($400), or if I buy 4, I even get a 5th user at no extra charge. In other words, Printer's Plan will only cost me extra $400 to switch now. If I get more seats they are less than PS wants per seat so it is the same cost or less. In fact if I wait a few months it will be the same or less than PS for me. Then add in EVERYTHING I will ever need to add or pay in service is far less with PP. Now I do have issue with Macs I would have 4 that I would to run that way. Problem solved as I would just run Parallels on the Macs and I can use PP. I am will to go out on a limb as the Oracle again and predict that EFI will drop Mac support in the future. The next time they do a major rewrite (vs. 9). By that I mean is EFI will not support older Mac systems and just run under Parallels at some point (2-3 years). If you look at history they have to. Thanks to the EFI update police state and mandatory costs they impose for providing NOTHING. EFI makes it FREE to move to PP if you drop service for a short time. Doing a 5 year ROI even for a current user, PP is the more profitable choice anyway you look at it. Now you may how do I get by without service? As a long time user, I need service less than 2 times a year and less than 1/2 time can they give me a solution or call me back before I fix it myself. If I need it I get the answer from the PS user group on Google or pay a per call fee to EFI. (Never paid) If you watch the list version 8 of PS has made great strides but is still bug ridden even after 5 updates, a EFI pattern... Will I switch? It depends on how I feel when I must decide. At this time PS 7 meets my needs and I am not leaning towards paying EFI ever again. If my needs require that I need PS for some unknown reason, I will bite bullet and do it. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.18/1104 - Release Date: 11/1/2007 6:47 PM From george at dahlquistprinting.com Fri Nov 2 09:39:21 2007 From: george at dahlquistprinting.com (George Dahlquist) Date: Fri Nov 2 08:39:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need Insurance input from Florida(SoutheasternPrinters) References: Message-ID: <001e01c81d5e$2802c2a0$0a01a8c0@george> Care to share it with the rest us Dan? Some others of us in the SE might have some interest / need of what you have to say also. George Dahlquist Dahlquist Printing & Graphics Orlando, FL ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 6:10 AM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Need Insurance input from Florida(SoutheasternPrinters) > John - > > Did you get the message I left on your cell phone voicemail? > > If not, gimme a call: I think I can help you. > > Dan Lipford > Sir Speedy Printing Center > 5845 Hollywood Boulevard > Hollywood, FL 33021 > tel. 954.962.1309 > fax 954.962.1366 > dan@myprinter.biz > www.myprinter.biz From k_graham at hotmail.com Fri Nov 2 10:04:32 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Fri Nov 2 10:05:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Interesting XP Problem - keep 2 (3) admiistrator users. References: <001e01c81d5e$2802c2a0$0a01a8c0@george> Message-ID: I'm using a computer from our 2nd store that had lockups, I swapped out & recently re-installed the software which again acted up. This time I did find a piece of lint had caught in the fan on the graphics card. Anyway whether because of the above problem or some other reason the software started acting up. No viruses detected with either of 2 virus detection packages. At command prompt running sfc /scannow did not resolve the problem I had been custom applying the microsoft security patches manually because my old Dbase Franklin Estimator software appears to be incompatible with security update (KB926436) (and why update whats working eh eh:) Word wouldn't open , re-install , still wouldn't open. I also lost the ability to restore the computer to an earlier installation date after custom selecting and applying several security patches. However I noticed that simply opening as a different user was fine. Fortunately I had 2 users set as administrator capable. I thus made a 3rd administrator capable user and then deleted the 1st administrator user which must have had something corrupt in a registry. Case seems to be solved though I am going to start looking for another computer. Anyway my suggestion to all the above is to set up at least 2 administrator users, keeping one as a relatively clean backup as a possible way to clear up problems and provide a back door to your system restore settings. Ken Graham From printmail at goinsty.com Fri Nov 2 10:32:36 2007 From: printmail at goinsty.com (Rob Meier) Date: Fri Nov 2 10:33:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printing that touches food In-Reply-To: <005501c81d5c$752e8980$5f8b9c80$@com> References: <20071102123828.8D8CAC4DEC5@rb.enter.net> <005501c81d5c$752e8980$5f8b9c80$@com> Message-ID: <472B4314.2090300@goinsty.com> Client asked about printing sheets that go into frozen pizza and then shrink wrapped. The paper is easy, the ink is extremely expensive. Does anyone do this sort of thing where you use conventional inks but FDA approved varnish as a barrier? Can you still get a letter that will appease the FDA inspectors? Any comment would be appreciated. Thanks, Rob Meier -- _____________________________ Insty-Prints 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-1959 phone (800) 258-8122 toll free (715) 835-7078 fax goinsty@goinsty.com _____________________________ Star Marking - Rubber Stamps 2425 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-4001 phone (800) 634-4002 toll free (715) 835-7078 fax stamps@starmarking.com From eking at whidbeyprinters.com Fri Nov 2 10:33:37 2007 From: eking at whidbeyprinters.com (Eric at Whidbey Printers) Date: Fri Nov 2 10:33:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Interesting XP Problem - keep 2 (3) admiistrator users. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Great suggestion. This is also recommended for Macs running any version of OSX. On 11/2/07 8:04 AM, "k_graham@hotmail.com" wrote: > Anyway my suggestion to all the above is to set up at least 2 administrator > users, keeping one as a relatively clean backup as a possible way to clear > up problems and provide a back door to your system restore settings. -- 2003 & 2002 Quality Award - Oak Harbor Chamber of Commerce 2001 Business of the Year - Oak Harbor Chamber of Commerce Eric King Whidbey Printers 1330 SW Barlow St #1 Oak Harbor, WA 98277 360-675-8837 Fax 360-679-4120 eking@whidbeyprinters.com From char at themasterspress.com Fri Nov 2 10:42:04 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Fri Nov 2 10:45:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Costs Re: PrintSmith Switch In-Reply-To: <005501c81d5c$752e8980$5f8b9c80$@com> References: <20071102123828.8D8CAC4DEC5@rb.enter.net> <005501c81d5c$752e8980$5f8b9c80$@com> Message-ID: <005801c81d66$ed969e80$0b01a8c0@CharXP> John JUST DO IT. Switch now and be done with it. I am going to switch in the next few months. Go buy some cheap PC's and just run your PP on them. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 9:27 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Costs Re: PrintSmith Switch Importance: High ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Most of you know my EFI disdain. www.mpcny.com/printblogger Here is something to add in. I let my service drop last year out of my protest of EFI. I now find I may need to upgrade to version 8 and get more seats (3-4 more). If I do that I will have to pay 2 years service (last year and this year) to get back on service. + $995 for 3 extra seats (Total of 7), I may need 4 so it could be higher. So right now I would pay $2500, to get what I need from EFI. Now compare this for a PP Printer's Plan licensed up to 5 users is $2,500 (PrintSmith users switch special). Each additional user is $200. If I purchase 2 additional users ($400), or if I buy 4, I even get a 5th user at no extra charge. In other words, Printer's Plan will only cost me extra $400 to switch now. If I get more seats they are less than PS wants per seat so it is the same cost or less. In fact if I wait a few months it will be the same or less than PS for me. Then add in EVERYTHING I will ever need to add or pay in service is far less with PP. Now I do have issue with Macs I would have 4 that I would to run that way. Problem solved as I would just run Parallels on the Macs and I can use PP. I am will to go out on a limb as the Oracle again and predict that EFI will drop Mac support in the future. The next time they do a major rewrite (vs. 9). By that I mean is EFI will not support older Mac systems and just run under Parallels at some point (2-3 years). If you look at history they have to. Thanks to the EFI update police state and mandatory costs they impose for providing NOTHING. EFI makes it FREE to move to PP if you drop service for a short time. Doing a 5 year ROI even for a current user, PP is the more profitable choice anyway you look at it. Now you may how do I get by without service? As a long time user, I need service less than 2 times a year and less than 1/2 time can they give me a solution or call me back before I fix it myself. If I need it I get the answer from the PS user group on Google or pay a per call fee to EFI. (Never paid) If you watch the list version 8 of PS has made great strides but is still bug ridden even after 5 updates, a EFI pattern... Will I switch? It depends on how I feel when I must decide. At this time PS 7 meets my needs and I am not leaning towards paying EFI ever again. If my needs require that I need PS for some unknown reason, I will bite bullet and do it. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.18/1104 - Release Date: 11/1/2007 6:47 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ed at graphicprintersinc.com Fri Nov 2 10:50:30 2007 From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce) Date: Fri Nov 2 10:50:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Costs Re: PrintSmith Switch In-Reply-To: <005801c81d66$ed969e80$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <011f01c81d68$18eba5c0$5a01a8c0@fileserver> John I agree with Charlene. Just do it! Life is too short to be that frustrated. Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 10:42 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Costs Re: PrintSmith Switch ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** John JUST DO IT. Switch now and be done with it. I am going to switch in the next few months. Go buy some cheap PC's and just run your PP on them. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 9:27 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Costs Re: PrintSmith Switch Importance: High ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Most of you know my EFI disdain. www.mpcny.com/printblogger Here is something to add in. I let my service drop last year out of my protest of EFI. I now find I may need to upgrade to version 8 and get more seats (3-4 more). If I do that I will have to pay 2 years service (last year and this year) to get back on service. + $995 for 3 extra seats (Total of 7), I may need 4 so it could be higher. So right now I would pay $2500, to get what I need from EFI. Now compare this for a PP Printer's Plan licensed up to 5 users is $2,500 (PrintSmith users switch special). Each additional user is $200. If I purchase 2 additional users ($400), or if I buy 4, I even get a 5th user at no extra charge. In other words, Printer's Plan will only cost me extra $400 to switch now. If I get more seats they are less than PS wants per seat so it is the same cost or less. In fact if I wait a few months it will be the same or less than PS for me. Then add in EVERYTHING I will ever need to add or pay in service is far less with PP. Now I do have issue with Macs I would have 4 that I would to run that way. Problem solved as I would just run Parallels on the Macs and I can use PP. I am will to go out on a limb as the Oracle again and predict that EFI will drop Mac support in the future. The next time they do a major rewrite (vs. 9). By that I mean is EFI will not support older Mac systems and just run under Parallels at some point (2-3 years). If you look at history they have to. Thanks to the EFI update police state and mandatory costs they impose for providing NOTHING. EFI makes it FREE to move to PP if you drop service for a short time. Doing a 5 year ROI even for a current user, PP is the more profitable choice anyway you look at it. Now you may how do I get by without service? As a long time user, I need service less than 2 times a year and less than 1/2 time can they give me a solution or call me back before I fix it myself. If I need it I get the answer from the PS user group on Google or pay a per call fee to EFI. (Never paid) If you watch the list version 8 of PS has made great strides but is still bug ridden even after 5 updates, a EFI pattern... Will I switch? It depends on how I feel when I must decide. At this time PS 7 meets my needs and I am not leaning towards paying EFI ever again. If my needs require that I need PS for some unknown reason, I will bite bullet and do it. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.18/1104 - Release Date: 11/1/2007 6:47 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2634 (20071102) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com Fri Nov 2 10:48:36 2007 From: s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com (Sonya Hughes) Date: Fri Nov 2 10:53:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel Glitch Help, Please In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am getting pretty desperate about finding and fixing a problem in my PC. I have Microsoft Excel on it which I do daily entering, and the same computer has Filemaker and Quicken 2006 on it. All of which are used daily. About 3/4 months ago I noticed simple commands in Excel would take a long time to complete (copy and paste, etc.). We downloaded everything available for Microsoft. We added memory, and finally - bought a new version of Excel. Still, tasks like copy and paste take a very long time ... seemingly getting slower. Sometimes the program stops responding. We are operating on the same version/no updates on the filemaker program. But Quicken may have been updated automatically. As this PC is connected to the net. Does anyone have any suggestions on what we might try? If you do, please contact me offline at 800-794-1695, or via email. Any suggestions would be appreciation. I'm going a little nuts! Thank you, Sonya Hughes Legends Printing Dodge City, KS From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Fri Nov 2 11:05:25 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Fri Nov 2 11:06:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Horizon MC-80 or Duplo DC10000 collator In-Reply-To: <20071102123828.4BE45C4DEC1@rb.enter.net> References: <20071102123828.4BE45C4DEC1@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <96e9a15f7df300b9653b51ccdb037a6d@sheergraphics.com> "Most seem to prefer Horizon but not a bad word on Duplo. We were told to stay away from a Bourg." We have a new Bourg BST10d+. We're happy. > The MC-80 is not a flexible in stocks and sizes as the speedvac but > the sucker feet work pretty well. Sucker feet? The Bourg has belts with suction holes, so that the printed stock never slides against any wheels or unperforated belts. The stock is lifted and carried by the belts, not pushed or pulled, which eliminates scuffing of images on printed paper. > ... to negotiate a price on the Standard close to the Duplo wich was > cheaper. Price is one thing, overall cost of ownership should be the criteria. > ... The duplo has control for air at each bin where Horizon has one > big pump for the whole tower. This is a plus for the Duplo.... The Bourg has one turbine, not a Roots blower, to provide air for all bins. Another pump provides suction which amount is easily and independently adjusted for each bin. > as it is often hard to control the air in each tower (especially with > different weights of stock in different bins ... We easily feed 11" x 17" 22pt chipboard (grain long) out of one bin and 20lb bond out of the others. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Fri Nov 2 11:15:23 2007 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Fri Nov 2 11:14:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel Glitch Help, Please In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <472B4D1B.1000309@satx.rr.com> Have you run any spyware scans? Sounds very much like a spyware infestation to me. You will amazed at how much spyware will slow down a system. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Sonya Hughes wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am getting pretty desperate about finding and fixing a problem in my > PC. > > I have Microsoft Excel on it which I do daily entering, and the same > computer has Filemaker and Quicken 2006 on it. All of which are used > daily. > About 3/4 months ago I noticed simple commands in Excel would take a > long time to complete (copy and paste, etc.). > > We downloaded everything available for Microsoft. We added memory, and > finally - bought a new version of Excel. > > Still, tasks like copy and paste take a very long time ... seemingly > getting slower. Sometimes the program stops responding. > > We are operating on the same version/no updates on the filemaker > program. But Quicken may have been updated automatically. As this PC > is connected to the net. > > Does anyone have any suggestions on what we might try? > > If you do, please contact me offline at 800-794-1695, or via email. > > Any suggestions would be appreciation. I'm going a little nuts! > > Thank you, > Sonya Hughes > Legends Printing > Dodge City, KS > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From jdaghir at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 12:04:19 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Fri Nov 2 12:04:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printing over U.V. Coating In-Reply-To: References: <4728B222.2000802@mousegraphics.com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620711021004v33c921bal6d8d81ba84853765@mail.gmail.com> Good luck. We tried printing over U.V coating with tough tex several years ago but didn't have much success. Ended up running them through the copier which kinda worked. You might try calling SpeedyDry. They make a pretty effective ink dyring accelerator. They were at Graph Expo a few years ago and had plastic business cards that they claimed were printed with ordinary ink and their drying additive. www.speedydry.com -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Ben said: > Now our customer wants to cover us some info that has a U.V. coating > on it. We are going to give it a try... using Tuff Tex Black ink. From dennisdater at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 2 12:41:13 2007 From: dennisdater at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Dater) Date: Fri Nov 2 12:41:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Regency Thermographers - Changing Name In-Reply-To: <059f01c81cc8$cd1a7800$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <20071102174135.D7C24C4EEB8@rb.enter.net> Just received an email that as of the first of the year, Regency, Carlson Craft Business Solutions and Label Works will be joining forces (what ever that means) and will be known by the new name of Navitor. Dennis Dater Allegra Print & Imaging 8037 Vickers Street San Diego, CA 92111 858-576-0100 or 619-696-6290 www.allegrasandiego.com dennisdater@sbcglobal.net No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.19/1105 - Release Date: 11/2/2007 11:04 AM From richard at weprintcary.com Fri Nov 2 12:55:55 2007 From: richard at weprintcary.com (Richard Cobb) Date: Fri Nov 2 12:56:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Regency Thermographers - Changing Name In-Reply-To: <20071102174135.D7C24C4EEB8@rb.enter.net> References: <20071102174135.D7C24C4EEB8@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <472B64AB.7070402@weprintcary.com> It probably means they have a huge database of prospects/customers to start calling. Richard Cobb Allegra Print & Imaging 1155 Kildaire Farm Road Cary, NC 27511 919-468-3334 fax 919-468-3880 The Future of Printing is Here Helping Businesses Find Ways to Enhance the VALUE of Their Print Communications! Dennis Dater wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Just received an email that as of the first of the year, Regency, Carlson > Craft Business Solutions and Label Works will be joining forces (what ever > that means) and will be known by the new name of Navitor. > > > Dennis Dater > Allegra Print & Imaging > 8037 Vickers Street > San Diego, CA 92111 > 858-576-0100 or 619-696-6290 > www.allegrasandiego.com > dennisdater@sbcglobal.net > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.19/1105 - Release Date: 11/2/2007 > 11:04 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri Nov 2 13:13:20 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri Nov 2 13:17:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Interesting XP Problem - keep 2 (3) admiistrator users. In-Reply-To: References: <001e01c81d5e$2802c2a0$0a01a8c0@george> Message-ID: <200711021816.lA2IGRuW089473@i2bnetworks.com> This is a very good practice Ken, profiles can go bad in Windows, and they can in OSX as well. A great troubleshooting technique for both platforms when things start getting squirrlly, log in as a different user (w or w/o Admin rights, usually doesn't matter) and see if the squirrllyness persists. If it goes away, you've got a problem with that user's profile, and that usually means a bad preference file for the software affected which can be usually be fixed by deleting the preference and restarting the program. If it doesn't go away, you have a bigger problem with the application or even the OS itself. i.e. I bought two seats of Fusion Pro on Monday to get started with the VDP thing. Put them on two identical Windows workstations (mine and the main Graphics Windows workstation) set up with virtually identical program sets. Everytime I used a feature in Acrobat on my box Acrobat crashed, but not on the graphics workstation. Very frustrating to have to hunt down what the cause is. Took two hours but after some testing turns out the Acrobat 8.11 on my box needed to be uninstalled and then reinstalled and all of the plugins added back in one by one. Finally worked. Why did it go bad...who knows. But the profile test was the first test I tried and when that gave the same crash result, it ruled out a whole bunch of possibilities that pointed to a problem with the program itself. I can't stand when things go wrong because of the time it takes away form your productivity, but troubleshooting is part science and part art and if you follow certain methods you can get things fixed quicker and get back in the game. FWIW. S. At 08:04 AM 11/2/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I'm using a computer from our 2nd store that had lockups, I swapped >out & recently re-installed the software which again acted up. > >This time I did find a piece of lint had caught in the fan on the >graphics card. > >Anyway whether because of the above problem or some other reason the >software started acting up. > >No viruses detected with either of 2 virus detection packages. > >At command prompt running sfc /scannow did not resolve the problem > >I had been custom applying the microsoft security patches manually >because my old Dbase Franklin Estimator software appears to be >incompatible with security update (KB926436) (and why update whats >working eh eh:) > >Word wouldn't open , re-install , still wouldn't open. I also lost >the ability to restore the computer to an earlier installation date >after custom selecting and applying several security patches. > >However I noticed that simply opening as a different user was fine. >Fortunately I had 2 users set as administrator capable. >I thus made a 3rd administrator capable user and then deleted the >1st administrator user which must have had something corrupt in a >registry. Case seems to be solved though I am going to start looking >for another computer. > >Anyway my suggestion to all the above is to set up at least 2 >administrator users, keeping one as a relatively clean backup as a >possible way to clear up problems and provide a back door to your >system restore settings. > >Ken Graham > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2634 (20071102) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Fri Nov 2 13:56:23 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Fri Nov 2 13:56:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel Glitch Help, Please Message-ID: As this PC is connected to the net , you might want to check to see if you have any spyware on your system, you can use AVG Free Spyware remover and , also remove any temporary Internet files from your Internet browser, from the tools's menu> Internet options Tab, Hope this helps Spyware interrupts all system processes on a PC. That may be why all your applications are affected... ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From rick at jmjprinting.com Fri Nov 2 14:14:50 2007 From: rick at jmjprinting.com (Rick Foster) Date: Fri Nov 2 14:08:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Costs Re: PrintSmith Switch In-Reply-To: <005501c81d5c$752e8980$5f8b9c80$@com> References: <20071102123828.8D8CAC4DEC5@rb.enter.net> <005501c81d5c$752e8980$5f8b9c80$@com> Message-ID: In reference to the message sent by John Henry, on 11/2/07, at 9:27 AM -0500: >Here is something to add in. I let my service drop last year out of my >protest of EFI. I now find I may need to upgrade to version 8 and get more >seats (3-4 more). If I do that I will have to pay 2 years service (last year >and this year) to get back on service. + $995 for 3 extra seats (Total of >7), I may need 4 so it could be higher. So right now I would pay $2500, to >get what I need from EFI. Same boat here John, I plan to switch the same way. When the cost to continue PS is higher than starting new with PP it will be bye bye EFI. I stopped paying for service when the annual price jumped triple in one year. For some of you paying out $600-1000 a year for maintenance is no big deal, but to me paying out an annual "insurance" policy I never use to get a free upgrade every other year or so wasn't worth it. I have called PS 2 times for service in 10 years. Last time being 6 years ago. I quit upgrading because of bugs, versions being released before they were ready, and the problems it caused others working around known problems. If I need service now it will be cheaper to switch than to call PS. PS is a good program and does everything we need it to do, but the cost of doing business with them is in my opinion way over the top. If they had continued the lower support level (email only) or even offered a upgrade only and pay per call for support program I would continue. But I feel my hands are tied when the only option is pay for full service I never use to get the latest buggy version. The other thing I find ironic is I could wait another year and buy a new full version of PS out of the box and be up to date with the current version for less money than upgrading what I have now by paying for support I didn't use the last several years. Run it for 4-5 years and buy another new out of the box version and save money. -- Rick _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Rick B. Foster JMJ Printing Co. LLC - Snohomish, WA mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com http://www.jmjprinting.com 425.334.9716 Your Full Service Print Shop 425.397.9716 Fax We Appreciate Your Business! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From k_graham at hotmail.com Fri Nov 2 14:46:21 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Fri Nov 2 14:46:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Interesting XP Problem - keep 2 (3)admiistrator users. References: <001e01c81d5e$2802c2a0$0a01a8c0@george> <200711021816.lA2IGRuW089473@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: > > This is a very good practice Ken, profiles can go bad in Windows, and they > can in OSX as well. > > A great troubleshooting technique for both platforms when things start > getting squirrlly, log in as a different user (w or w/o Admin rights, > usually doesn't matter) and see if the squirrllyness persists. > Now I know, Scott. Your right of course about Admin or non Admin rights but one does need 2 with administrator rights so if the link is lost for restoring to a previous time there is a way to accomplish it. It appears to have saved me yet another complete restore of a computer. Now I just have to make sure I have an Admin-bak user on each workstation for future. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 From k_graham at hotmail.com Fri Nov 2 15:12:46 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Fri Nov 2 15:13:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel Glitch Help, Please References: Message-ID: After the Adware check Sonja Try the log in as different user tactic I mentioned at bottom of this email. If it works consider deleting the problem user If you have administrator rights you can make a new user via the control panel. Also http://personal.inet.fi/business/toniarts/ecleane.htm can be a useful clean up tool. Pagedfrg is a great free defragmenter for your paging file for XP which doesn't get defragmented using the regular windows defragmenter www.sysinternals.com do leave a few seconds delay so you can bypass it if necessary - I do recall it wanting to loop when caught up against the hibernation mode of Windows. Hard disk that are almost full and network cards failing can also create slow conditions. Even a non functioning printer set as default can create real issues as programs check for it. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 > Anyway whether because of the above problem or some other reason the > software started acting up. > > No viruses detected with either of 2 virus detection packages. > > At command prompt running sfc /scannow did not resolve the problem > > I had been custom applying the microsoft security patches manually because > my old Dbase Franklin Estimator software appears to be incompatible with > security update (KB926436) (and why update whats working eh eh:) > > Word wouldn't open , re-install , still wouldn't open. I also lost the > ability to restore the computer to an earlier installation date after > custom selecting and applying several security patches. > > However I noticed that simply opening as a different user was fine. > Fortunately I had 2 users set as administrator capable. > I thus made a 3rd administrator capable user and then deleted the 1st > administrator user which must have had something corrupt in a registry. > Case seems to be solved though I am going to start looking for another > computer. > > Anyway my suggestion to all the above is to set up at least 2 > administrator users, keeping one as a relatively clean backup as a > possible way to clear up problems and provide a back door to your system > restore settings. > > I am getting pretty desperate about finding and fixing a problem in my > PC. > > I have Microsoft Excel on it which I do daily entering, and the same > computer has Filemaker and Quicken 2006 on it. All of which are used > daily. > About 3/4 months ago I noticed simple commands in Excel would take a long > time to complete (copy and paste, etc.). > > We downloaded everything available for Microsoft. We added memory, and > finally - bought a new version of Excel. > > Still, tasks like copy and paste take a very long time ... seemingly > getting slower. Sometimes the program stops responding. > > We are operating on the same version/no updates on the filemaker program. > But Quicken may have been updated automatically. As this PC is connected > to the net. > > Does anyone have any suggestions on what we might try? > > If you do, please contact me offline at 800-794-1695, or via email. > > Any suggestions would be appreciation. I'm going a little nuts! > > Thank you, > Sonya Hughes > Legends Printing > Dodge City, KS > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From acepm2 at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 16:31:53 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Fri Nov 2 16:32:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintSmith Switch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dan, Just look at the post from John Henry. Excellent EFI post as usual. Look, I don't want to get into the "mud slinging" of PS vs PP but I will tell you that the information that is more readily available from PP MORE than paid for itself within the first 6 months. I have access to my data. We all can't be as talented as Ron Woodruff (Ron is a friend and I'm envious of his PS abilities!) nor do I have the time to learn how to program report writer. I'm running three companies now. There really is no "free time!" I'm able to see actual costs more easily at a touch of a few buttons. I'm able to see what is making me money vs. what is not. When I needed to be more competitive, I didn't have to just "force" numbers like I did in PS. I'm aware of the fact that some of these problems have been fixed... however, it took Mr. Teller much too long to get to those problems. Few people on this list will admit that they made a mistake in purchasing PS and about the money they lost. That's ego blocking them. I don't have a problem saying I made a huge financial mistake in investing in PS thinking they would be a partner in my business. They had no such plans. The abilities of the PP platform far exceeded my expectations and far exceeded the abilities of PS. I don't need lots of fluff from a program; I need something that is going to protect my investment and my family. Printer's Plan was the best choice for that software. Thank you, Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On 11/2/07, Dan Flatt wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Thom, > What are the things that you can do with PP that are useful for the > business that PS can't do? We use PS but we changed to PS when we > purchased a local competitor who had run it for years and was happy with > it. Previous to that we used Avanti. Avanti was so much overkill and we > didn't use 1/4 of the program. It would be a good program for a 5M+ shop > that had a dedicated IT person to run it and utilize all of the info. I > was new to the game and saw all of the possibilities but underestimated > the annual cost of operation ($25,000 to buy and $5,000/yr support plus > a staff member to fully utilize it.) This rates as my worst purchasing > decision. > > So too much information is not necessarily a good thing either. > > Dan Flatt > vp/ owner > Multi Media Services > 11136-40 River Road > Corning, NY 14830 > main 607-936-3186 > CELL 607-331-7217 PLEASE CALL MY CELL FIRST! > Fax 877-684-3043 > www.mmsny.com > > Isn't it time that you had a business printer printing for your > business? > > Other contacts: > Rick Bartholomew owner 607-769-8111 > Luanne Wheeler AR/AP > Dick Shelford Sunset Operations 607-331-5775 > Patty Carlson Strategic accounts 607-331-5314 > Suzie Bartholomew Strategic accounts 607-331-5314 > Dave Satterly IR operations 570-882-0485 > Ralph Begeal CSR 607-331-5572 > Steve Mullen CSR 607-936-3186 > Margaret Puffer CSR / mailing 607-936-3186 > Rose Flatt Design 607-331-1555 > Emily Colletta Design 607-331-7068 > Judy Pruyne Design 607-331-5963 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Thom Gulyas > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 6:14 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintSmith Switch > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Interesting discussion of the PS vs PP software. I was one of several > who have used PS for several years only to switch over to PP. What a > relief that was. > > I'm not looking to sit here and bash PS. They can do that all by > themselves. > > What I am going to say is that I did have the program running > flawlessly. I knew the ins and outs (with the exception of Report > Writer) with no problems. What I did not like is the limits placed on > the program by PS. There were many, many features that PP offered that > PS did not have. > > Perhaps Charlene is willing to make that change. What did I loose in > data? Nothing. After a year or two you never need to look back anyway. > At that time of my switch, PP did not offer a "data import" of PS info. > Thanks to my helping, they do now! :) > > Anyway, the positives far outweigh the negatives for the PS2PP switch. > Not difficult at all and we were up and running over the weekend. > > Good luck in whatever you choose to do. > > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > www.acepm.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From ncgill at gillprintandgraphics.com Fri Nov 2 16:47:50 2007 From: ncgill at gillprintandgraphics.com (ncgill@gillprintandgraphics.com) Date: Fri Nov 2 16:42:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] new rollers for 3302HA Message-ID: <000801c81d9a$049a2880$6309a8c0@MINIME> We've run our 3302HA for 19 months now. We're ready to replace the fountain rollers, but Presstek is quoting $1800. Anyone have a better solution? We haven't talked to the local Ryobi Distributor yet. Any info will be greatly appreciated. This group has been a great help to me in the past and I am really looking for help here. We have never regained all the $ of the Katrina mess and don't want to spend anymore than we need. Nancy Gill GillPrint and Graphics 2310 Park Place Drive Gretna, Louisiana 70056 (504) 392-9600 From ncgill at gillprintandgraphics.com Fri Nov 2 16:52:52 2007 From: ncgill at gillprintandgraphics.com (ncgill@gillprintandgraphics.com) Date: Fri Nov 2 16:48:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] fountain rollers for 3302HA Message-ID: <222e01c81d9a$b87f51e0$6309a8c0@MINIME> We've run our 3302HA for 19 months now. We're ready to replace the fountain rollers, but Presstek is quoting $1800. Anyone have a better solution? We haven't talked to the local Ryobi Distributor yet. Any info will be greatly appreciated. This group has been a great help to me in the past and I am really looking for help here. We have never regained all the $ of the Katrina mess and don't want to spend anymore than we need. Nancy Gill GillPrint and Graphics 2310 Park Place Drive Gretna, Louisiana 70056 (504) 392-9600 From kk1127 at mindspring.com Fri Nov 2 16:50:16 2007 From: kk1127 at mindspring.com (John Hughes) Date: Fri Nov 2 16:50:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Remote Computing References: <001e01c81d5e$2802c2a0$0a01a8c0@george> <200711021816.lA2IGRuW089473@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <039301c81d9a$5ab1ccf0$0b01a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Need some advice on remote computing. My graphics person will be in and out for the next 2 weeks. (Wife is having back surgery.) We have an imac G5 at the office and he has a Macbook. We have done a little remote but mainly it has been through copying files between the systems. 1. Is there some way he could log on to the imac at the office (similar to Go To My PC)? 2. If not, what's the best way to try to keep the files synced between to the 2 systems? TIA. John Hughes Kwik Kopy Printing kk1127@mindspring.com From erv.bergen at zip-print.com Fri Nov 2 17:48:58 2007 From: erv.bergen at zip-print.com (Erv Bergen) Date: Fri Nov 2 16:55:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Costs Re: PrintSmith Switch (Charlene Sims) In-Reply-To: <20071102154504.019D8C4E781@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: We run a five color Roland, a four color Ryobi, two 2 color Ryobies, a couple of AB Dicks, assorted cutters, folders, collators, bindery equipments & computer-to-plate technology in prepress...And PrintersPlan. We highly recomend it. But, before you spring for the scheduling module, check out PSched, www.in-scope-solutions.com The two work together seamlessly and it's amazing what together they do! Erv Bergen President Zip Print Amarillo, TX 79101 (806) 374 8270 From char at themasterspress.com Fri Nov 2 17:03:02 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Fri Nov 2 17:05:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Costs Re: PrintSmith Switch (Charlene Sims) In-Reply-To: References: <20071102154504.019D8C4E781@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <010701c81d9c$284a49c0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Thanks Erv. We will check that out. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Erv Bergen Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 5:49 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Costs Re: PrintSmith Switch (Charlene Sims) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We run a five color Roland, a four color Ryobi, two 2 color Ryobies, a couple of AB Dicks, assorted cutters, folders, collators, bindery equipments & computer-to-plate technology in prepress...And PrintersPlan. We highly recomend it. But, before you spring for the scheduling module, check out PSched, www.in-scope-solutions.com The two work together seamlessly and it's amazing what together they do! Erv Bergen President Zip Print Amarillo, TX 79101 (806) 374 8270 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jodib at blackfoot.net Fri Nov 2 17:24:05 2007 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Fri Nov 2 17:24:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Remote Computing References: <001e01c81d5e$2802c2a0$0a01a8c0@george><200711021816.lA2IGRuW089473@i2bnetworks.com> <039301c81d9a$5ab1ccf0$0b01a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <015701c81d9f$148d4fb0$0101a8c0@desktoppbl> John, You should be able to set up the idisk to sync between both computers. (I actually just had my IT guru come set it all up. We put a folder on my desk top and labeled it STICK STUFF HERE and while I was on my trip I could work on files. Make sure the files aren't too big, or clear it out regularly so the memory doesn't fill up. It has really been a great tool for us. Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing Missoula, Montana jodib@blackfoot.net 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hughes" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:50 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Remote Computing > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Need some advice on remote computing. > > My graphics person will be in and out for the next 2 weeks. > (Wife is having back surgery.) > > We have an imac G5 at the office and he has a Macbook. > > We have done a little remote but mainly it has been through copying files > between the systems. > > 1. Is there some way he could log on to the imac at the office (similar to > Go To My PC)? > > 2. If not, what's the best way to try to keep the files synced between to > the 2 systems? > > TIA. > > John Hughes > Kwik Kopy Printing > kk1127@mindspring.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From printer at ptialaska.net Fri Nov 2 17:56:11 2007 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Fri Nov 2 17:56:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Used RIP Message-ID: <57187849-A395-4555-9495-E5D3746B311A@ptialaska.net> Does anyone know where to get a used CREO RIP for the C500? Thanks _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From stumarty at wrightprinting.com Fri Nov 2 18:10:27 2007 From: stumarty at wrightprinting.com (Stu) Date: Fri Nov 2 18:10:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Used RIP In-Reply-To: <57187849-A395-4555-9495-E5D3746B311A@ptialaska.net> References: <57187849-A395-4555-9495-E5D3746B311A@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: On or about 2:56 PM -0800 11/2/07, Charles A. Lincoln emailed the following: >Does anyone know where to get a used CREO RIP for the C500? Charles, Try Viprofix: Viprofix Systems For Publishing Phone: 773-545-7700 http://viprofix.com/ I have bought equipment from them, as well as hired them for service on equipment purchased from others. Reputable firm, been around since the 1980's, and they had a nice booth at Graph Expo. I recently had a flyer from them that had a used Creo in this upper $3,000 range. -just old stu- -- =============== SETTING IT WRIGHT: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - David Rice Atchison was the twelfth president of the United States. No, really! He really was...honest! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wright Printing Co. -- Central Illinois' biggest little print shop. 203 North St., Normal, IL 61761 309 452-4409 Fax 452-7422 Personal Mobile Phone: 309 826-1132 (Stu) mailto:stu@wrightprinting.com - http://www.wrightprinting.com From dvmonto at optonline.net Fri Nov 2 21:13:27 2007 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Fri Nov 2 21:14:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Costs Re: PrintSmith Switch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11/2/07 3:14 PM, "Rick Foster" wrote: > The other thing I find ironic is I could wait another year and buy a > new full version of PS out of the box and be up to date with the > current version for less money than upgrading what I have now by > paying for support I didn't use the last several years. Run it for > 4-5 years and buy another new out of the box version and save money. You would end up with quite a collection of dongles! -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net www.sirspeedy.com/wappingersfalls Debts can be chains, best used when they can haul you to new heights, rather than entangle your legs. It?s the same with possessions. "Man doesn?t possess possessions: they possess us". --Pete Seeger From DanF at MMSNY.com Fri Nov 2 21:40:38 2007 From: DanF at MMSNY.com (Dan Flatt) Date: Fri Nov 2 21:36:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Horizon MC-80 or Duplo DC10000 collator Message-ID: We also have aBorg BST ( 2 towers) but they have older finishing pieces. We did have problems feeding some stocks but a retrofit was put in and it has been fine. The newer Horizon feeds and saddle-stitched a6 booklets and the Bourg would not. the Duplo would but our Horizon vendor sold us our DI press, perfectbinder and folder so it made sense for us to buy from them I have no experience with the Duplo. Dan Flatt Multi Media Services mmsny.com Corning, NY -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org on behalf of Simon Sheers Sent: Fri 11/2/2007 12:05 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Cc: Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Horizon MC-80 or Duplo DC10000 collator ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** "Most seem to prefer Horizon but not a bad word on Duplo. We were told to stay away from a Bourg." We have a new Bourg BST10d+. We're happy. > The MC-80 is not a flexible in stocks and sizes as the speedvac but > the sucker feet work pretty well. Sucker feet? The Bourg has belts with suction holes, so that the printed stock never slides against any wheels or unperforated belts. The stock is lifted and carried by the belts, not pushed or pulled, which eliminates scuffing of images on printed paper. > ... to negotiate a price on the Standard close to the Duplo wich was > cheaper. Price is one thing, overall cost of ownership should be the criteria. > ... The duplo has control for air at each bin where Horizon has one > big pump for the whole tower. This is a plus for the Duplo.... The Bourg has one turbine, not a Roots blower, to provide air for all bins. Another pump provides suction which amount is easily and independently adjusted for each bin. > as it is often hard to control the air in each tower (especially with > different weights of stock in different bins ... We easily feed 11" x 17" 22pt chipboard (grain long) out of one bin and 20lb bond out of the others. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From DanF at MMSNY.com Fri Nov 2 21:47:41 2007 From: DanF at MMSNY.com (Dan Flatt) Date: Fri Nov 2 21:43:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintSmith Switch Message-ID: Thom, Thanks. And thanks for all of the feedback from all. Dan Flatt -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org on behalf of Thom Gulyas Sent: Fri 11/2/2007 5:31 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Cc: Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintSmith Switch ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Dan, Just look at the post from John Henry. Excellent EFI post as usual. Look, I don't want to get into the "mud slinging" of PS vs PP but I will tell you that the information that is more readily available from PP MORE than paid for itself within the first 6 months. I have access to my data. We all can't be as talented as Ron Woodruff (Ron is a friend and I'm envious of his PS abilities!) nor do I have the time to learn how to program report writer. I'm running three companies now. There really is no "free time!" I'm able to see actual costs more easily at a touch of a few buttons. I'm able to see what is making me money vs. what is not. When I needed to be more competitive, I didn't have to just "force" numbers like I did in PS. I'm aware of the fact that some of these problems have been fixed... however, it took Mr. Teller much too long to get to those problems. Few people on this list will admit that they made a mistake in purchasing PS and about the money they lost. That's ego blocking them. I don't have a problem saying I made a huge financial mistake in investing in PS thinking they would be a partner in my business. They had no such plans. The abilities of the PP platform far exceeded my expectations and far exceeded the abilities of PS. I don't need lots of fluff from a program; I need something that is going to protect my investment and my family. Printer's Plan was the best choice for that software. Thank you, Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On 11/2/07, Dan Flatt wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Thom, > What are the things that you can do with PP that are useful for the > business that PS can't do? We use PS but we changed to PS when we > purchased a local competitor who had run it for years and was happy with > it. Previous to that we used Avanti. Avanti was so much overkill and we > didn't use 1/4 of the program. It would be a good program for a 5M+ shop > that had a dedicated IT person to run it and utilize all of the info. I > was new to the game and saw all of the possibilities but underestimated > the annual cost of operation ($25,000 to buy and $5,000/yr support plus > a staff member to fully utilize it.) This rates as my worst purchasing > decision. > > So too much information is not necessarily a good thing either. > > Dan Flatt > vp/ owner > Multi Media Services > 11136-40 River Road > Corning, NY 14830 > main 607-936-3186 > CELL 607-331-7217 PLEASE CALL MY CELL FIRST! > Fax 877-684-3043 > www.mmsny.com > > Isn't it time that you had a business printer printing for your > business? > > Other contacts: > Rick Bartholomew owner 607-769-8111 > Luanne Wheeler AR/AP > Dick Shelford Sunset Operations 607-331-5775 > Patty Carlson Strategic accounts 607-331-5314 > Suzie Bartholomew Strategic accounts 607-331-5314 > Dave Satterly IR operations 570-882-0485 > Ralph Begeal CSR 607-331-5572 > Steve Mullen CSR 607-936-3186 > Margaret Puffer CSR / mailing 607-936-3186 > Rose Flatt Design 607-331-1555 > Emily Colletta Design 607-331-7068 > Judy Pruyne Design 607-331-5963 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Thom Gulyas > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 6:14 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintSmith Switch > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Interesting discussion of the PS vs PP software. I was one of several > who have used PS for several years only to switch over to PP. What a > relief that was. > > I'm not looking to sit here and bash PS. They can do that all by > themselves. > > What I am going to say is that I did have the program running > flawlessly. I knew the ins and outs (with the exception of Report > Writer) with no problems. What I did not like is the limits placed on > the program by PS. There were many, many features that PP offered that > PS did not have. > > Perhaps Charlene is willing to make that change. What did I loose in > data? Nothing. After a year or two you never need to look back anyway. > At that time of my switch, PP did not offer a "data import" of PS info. > Thanks to my helping, they do now! :) > > Anyway, the positives far outweigh the negatives for the PS2PP switch. > Not difficult at all and we were up and running over the weekend. > > Good luck in whatever you choose to do. > > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > www.acepm.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bill at mauiprintworks.com Fri Nov 2 22:24:54 2007 From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works) Date: Fri Nov 2 22:25:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Weird estimate order request Message-ID: I had the weirdest estimate request call today. It was all done thru an operator who was dictating what the other party was typing as if he was deaf and dumb. Then he wanted to email me the specs (which is attached) When I got suspicious and asked his location he disconnected. His email follows (what do you make of it) Hello? ???? My name is Reverend Chris Harrison,I am sending this email in regards of am Urgently Order of Brochures.I will like you to get me the White and Black 8 and half by 11 and the paper used be 100 ponds glossy.(I will like you to Print CARE FOR ONE ANOTHER ON BOTHE SIDES FOR ME)I will like you to send me an email with the total pick up price of 90,500 pieces of that and also Advice on the form of payment that u accept.I will like you to email me with the total pick up price plus Tax only becouse i will be Recomending you to Shipping Company that will coming in to your Location to make the pick up.I will be looking forward to have an email from you.Please dont forget to advice on the form of payment and you phone number when sending me a reply back. ? Thank You ? Best Regards Reverend Chris Harrison Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku, HI 96793 (808)242-6634 Fax (808)242-8967 bill@mauiprintworks.com www. mauiprintworks.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 22:55:45 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Fri Nov 2 22:55:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Weird estimate order request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0711022055y178491abqd877c09ec4555af2@mail.gmail.com> Aren't you on the "other" list as well? If so, search for the October 29th "Am I being scammed" thread. Same thing. Deaf preacher. He apparently needed even more earlier in the week. If you're not on that other list, long story short: fugeddaboutit. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From mkahny at gmail.com Sat Nov 3 08:26:03 2007 From: mkahny at gmail.com (Michael Kahny) Date: Sat Nov 3 08:26:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Remote Computing In-Reply-To: <015701c81d9f$148d4fb0$0101a8c0@desktoppbl> References: <001e01c81d5e$2802c2a0$0a01a8c0@george> <200711021816.lA2IGRuW089473@i2bnetworks.com> <039301c81d9a$5ab1ccf0$0b01a8c0@NOTEBOOK> <015701c81d9f$148d4fb0$0101a8c0@desktoppbl> Message-ID: <7bb924c10711030626j7b8f18a5u3293695f23ba579a@mail.gmail.com> We use a program called Timbuktu, it allows me to work from home and control the computer at work just as if I was there. There is a slight performance loss so if I am going to do anything that will require more than a few minutes on any one file I will use Timbuktu to copy the files to the remote Mac at home, work on them there and then copy them back to the office Mac. Has been working well for almost 3 years for me. I live 150 miles from work and only go into the office for a couple days every other week or so. - Mike Michael T. Kahny Kahny Printing, Inc. ? 4766 River Road ? Cincinnati, OH 45233 (513) 251-2911 ? Fax: (513) 251-7004 * Email: mike@kahny.com On 11/2/07, Jodi Bowser wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > John, > > You should be able to set up the idisk to sync between both computers. (I > actually just had > my IT guru come set it all up. We put a folder on my desk top and labeled > it STICK STUFF HERE > and while I was on my trip I could work on files. Make sure the files > aren't too big, or clear it out regularly > so the memory doesn't fill up. > > It has really been a great tool for us. > > Jodi Bowser > Pyramid Printing > Missoula, Montana > jodib@blackfoot.net > 406-728-1503 > fax 406-728-0505 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hughes" > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:50 PM > Subject: [PrintOwners] Remote Computing > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Need some advice on remote computing. > > > > My graphics person will be in and out for the next 2 weeks. > > (Wife is having back surgery.) > > > > We have an imac G5 at the office and he has a Macbook. > > > > We have done a little remote but mainly it has been through copying > files > > between the systems. > > > > 1. Is there some way he could log on to the imac at the office (similar > to > > Go To My PC)? > > > > 2. If not, what's the best way to try to keep the files synced between > to > > the 2 systems? > > > > TIA. > > > > John Hughes > > Kwik Kopy Printing > > kk1127@mindspring.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From John at mpcny.com Sat Nov 3 09:33:53 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Sat Nov 3 08:34:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: new rollers for 3302HA In-Reply-To: <20071103035601.11CB2C50942@rb.enter.net> References: <20071103035601.11CB2C50942@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <002b01c81e26$8ef04280$acd0c780$@com> Rotadyne 877-570-0000 http://www.rotadyne.com/ About $100 for the water meter roller. The water forms I get from syntec. Total cost less than $800 for all of them. You only need the water meter and forms the top in roller will last for a decade. Get new bearings also, they are less than $10 each. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.19/1106 - Release Date: 11/2/2007 9:46 PM From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Sat Nov 3 09:14:21 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Sat Nov 3 09:14:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintSmith Switch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For the record, and I'm not saying you were pointing fingers at me Thom, but I have no problems admitting making mistakes. What I have said is that I have been on PS since 1992 and while I agree PP has some things that are better and have done some things better in the past, I just can't see the return on investment-for me-to go out and purchase any other program when PS is doing what I need it to do, even though there are some rough edges. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Thom Gulyas Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:32 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintSmith Switch ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Few people on this list will admit that they made a mistake in purchasing PS and about the money they lost. That's ego blocking them. From sgfinke at fuse.net Sat Nov 3 10:16:46 2007 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Sat Nov 3 10:05:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Weird estimate order request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61FDEF8A-23F3-45AB-AFAF-C1BD97532B4E@fuse.net> Recently discussed at great length on PONG and the Printsmith User's list. This is a scam. The credit card will be a stolen one and you will be asked to pay the shipping, so you will be out the job and the shipping. It's a popular way to scam people in Africa -- the assisted line is free to use, the assistants are not allowed to say anything about the call but what the caller types, and international scams are not investigated until they are over a certain number. So these scammers make small orders all day long and reap big bucks. Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On Nov 2, 2007, at 11:24 PM, Maui Print Works wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I had the weirdest estimate request call today. > It was all done thru an operator who was dictating what the other > party was typing as if he was deaf and dumb. Then he wanted to > email me the specs (which is attached) When I got suspicious and > asked his location he disconnected. > His email follows (what do you make of it) > Hello > My name is Reverend Chris Harrison,I am sending this email in > regards of am Urgently Order of Brochures.I will like you to get me > the White and Black 8 and half by 11 and the paper used be 100 > ponds glossy.(I will like you to Print CARE FOR ONE ANOTHER ON > BOTHE SIDES FOR ME)I will like you to send me an email with the > total pick up price of 90,500 pieces of that and also Advice on the > form of payment that u accept.I will like you to email me with the > total pick up price plus Tax only becouse i will be Recomending you > to Shipping Company that will coming in to your Location to make > the pick up.I will be looking forward to have an email from > you.Please dont forget to advice on the form of payment and you > phone number when sending me a reply back. > Thank You > Best Regards > Reverend Chris Harrison > > > Bill Marsh > Maui Print Works > 70 Central Ave., Wailuku, HI 96793 > (808)242-6634 Fax (808)242-8967 > bill@mauiprintworks.com www. > mauiprintworks.com_______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From dominick at fmtc.com Sat Nov 3 10:12:55 2007 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Sat Nov 3 10:13:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Weird estimate order request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <472C8FF7.5020901@fmtc.com> Bill, We have been getting about 2 of these a week. Next thing they will do is e-mail you. Credit cards are stolen locally, that is how they have a local address. If you have time and want to "play" set a price for American cash only. Last one I got was for 60m flyers, and I told them 20m cash only. That makes them go away. Waste of our time... Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! Maui Print Works wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I had the weirdest estimate request call today. > It was all done thru an operator who was dictating what the other > party was typing as if he was deaf and dumb. Then he wanted to email > me the specs (which is attached) When I got suspicious and asked his > location he disconnected. > His email follows (what do you make of it) > Hello > My name is Reverend Chris Harrison,I am sending this email in > regards of am Urgently Order of Brochures.I will like you to get me > the White and Black 8 and half by 11 and the paper used be 100 ponds > glossy.(I will like you to Print CARE FOR ONE ANOTHER ON BOTHE SIDES > FOR ME)I will like you to send me an email with the total pick up > price of 90,500 pieces of that and also Advice on the form of payment > that u accept.I will like you to email me with the total pick up price > plus Tax only becouse i will be Recomending you to Shipping Company > that will coming in to your Location to make the pick up.I will be > looking forward to have an email from you.Please dont forget to advice > on the form of payment and you phone number when sending me a reply back. > Thank You > Best Regards > Reverend Chris Harrison > > > Bill Marsh > Maui Print Works > 70 Central Ave., Wailuku, HI 96793 > (808)242-6634 Fax (808)242-8967 > bill@mauiprintworks.com www. > mauiprintworks.com_______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From QKCONSULT at aol.com Sat Nov 3 10:18:42 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Sat Nov 3 10:19:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Very Discouraged with 4C Survey Responses Message-ID: Dear Fellow Printers, I have never written anything like this or made such a candid admission, but I am very discouraged and disappointed with the low rate of responses so far to the latest NAQP 4C Practices and Pricing Survey. The survey was designed and updated based upon input from printers just like yourself, including many on this list and the PONG list. We listened to your suggestions and ended up asking many of the questions you said you would like to have asked. I am convinced that if I could sit across a desk from each one of you I could convince almost 95% of you about the practical value that these types of studies offer. Unfortunately, I can't do that, nor can I call you individually. Nonetheless, there is no doubt in my mind that by using the information in this study (as well as other studies published by NAQP) it can help to boost your firm's bottom line profitability by thousands and thousands of dollars, and yet for a variety of excuses and reasons very few of you seem to take advantage of these studies. Granted, not everyone received one in the mail, but everyone has an opportunity to download a free copy from my web site (_http://www.quickconsultant.com/printimagesurveyinstructions.htm_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/printimagesurveyinstructions.htm) ). What do these studies cost? The completed studies, which often range from 60-80 pages or more, are absolutely FREE to every single participant. All you have to do is set aside 1-2 hours of your time or that of a well trained CSR or general manager and it can be in the mail in the next couple of days, and that's what I am asking you to do this coming week. If the survey is still sitting on your desk complete it. If it isn't, follow the link above, carefully read the instructions, and download the survey. If you complete the survey I guarantee you that you will receive a top-notch survey on 4C Pricing when it is published and released in late January 2008. By the way, just to clear the air and eliminate any misunderstandings, I produce these studies on set fee basis and do not benefit in any way whatsoever in the subsequent sale of these studies. In fact, every survey received means one less sale for NAQP. Nonetheless, from my perspective, every survey I receive increases the accuracy and reliability of the overall data and that is why I am pleading with you to participate in this survey. Please make the time, find the time to complete this survey and return it by the deadline. The deadline for returning this survey is Nov. 27, 2007 so there is still plenty of time to participate. I don't want you to buy this study, I want you to get it for free and that means I need your participation. Every single shop that provides or offers 4C copying or printing services in-house can benefit from this study, but once again I need a greater level of participation than I have received so far to make this study successful. Thanks for listening, and I hope that I have convinced many of you to reconsider and complete this survey in the next few days. Sincerely, John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From smc at sorrentomesa.com Sat Nov 3 11:59:00 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Sat Nov 3 12:02:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Remote Computing In-Reply-To: <039301c81d9a$5ab1ccf0$0b01a8c0@NOTEBOOK> References: <001e01c81d5e$2802c2a0$0a01a8c0@george> <200711021816.lA2IGRuW089473@i2bnetworks.com> <039301c81d9a$5ab1ccf0$0b01a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <200711031702.lA3H27uP046067@i2bnetworks.com> Your best choice is to set up a point to point VPN between your employee's house and the office. That way everything will be encrypted in transmission and you could use a simple remote client like: http://www.apple.com/remotedesktop/ which cost some $, or something like Chicken of the VNC: http://sourceforge.net/projects/cotvnc/ which is free but not as fast. S. At 02:50 PM 11/2/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Need some advice on remote computing. > >My graphics person will be in and out for the next 2 weeks. >(Wife is having back surgery.) > >We have an imac G5 at the office and he has a Macbook. > >We have done a little remote but mainly it has been through copying >files between the systems. > >1. Is there some way he could log on to the imac at the office >(similar to Go To My PC)? > >2. If not, what's the best way to try to keep the files synced >between to the 2 systems? > >TIA. > >John Hughes >Kwik Kopy Printing >kk1127@mindspring.com > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2635 (20071102) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From acepm2 at gmail.com Sat Nov 3 13:50:27 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Sat Nov 3 13:50:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintSmith Switch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mark, Honestly, if it works, keep on going! :) But to help clear the record.... I was talking about my friend John Henry! :) :) :) :) Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On 11/3/07, Mark Lake wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > For the record, and I'm not saying you were pointing fingers at me Thom, > but > I have no problems admitting making mistakes. What I have said is that I > have been on PS since 1992 and while I agree PP has some things that are > better and have done some things better in the past, I just can't see the > return on investment-for me-to go out and purchase any other program when > PS > is doing what I need it to do, even though there are some rough edges. > > > Mark Lake > PIP Printing > 368 Jefferson Street > Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 > 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax > www.pipsturgeonbay.com > Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com > > To send a file to us, please use the link below > http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Thom Gulyas > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:32 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintSmith Switch > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Few people on this list will admit that they made a mistake in purchasing > PS > and about the money they lost. That's ego blocking them. > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From sos at olympus.net Sat Nov 3 13:59:13 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Sat Nov 3 13:59:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Very Discouraged with 4C Survey Responses References: Message-ID: <08c201c81e4b$9fea6be0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> > The deadline for returning this survey is Nov. 27, 2007 so there is still > plenty of time to participate. I don't want you to buy this study, I want > you > to get it for free and that means I need your participation. Every single > shop > that provides or offers 4C copying or printing services in-house can > benefit > from this study, but once again I need a greater level of participation > than > I have received so far to make this study successful. > > Thanks for listening, and I hope that I have convinced many of you to > reconsider and complete this survey in the next few days. ==================== I have the study about three quarters completed and will finish it soon and mail it off. Not only are the studies John and NAQP do vital to my business, but the very act of filling one out is a valuable exercise in and of itself. I don't think any segment of the printing business is in such a state of flux as the short run full color printing segment is. I am really looking forward to the resulting study. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From k_graham at hotmail.com Sat Nov 3 16:02:49 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Sat Nov 3 16:03:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] CPP500 -small claims lawsuit - delayed -long References: <08c201c81e4b$9fea6be0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: After 2 years I was expecting my 2 days in small claims court but we got bumped by a criminal court. Bothersome for me as I had to balance store help with 2 commutes of 150 kilometers plus my witness technician time who fortunately used it to also work on some customer copiers. On Ikons side they flew a lawyer in from Vancouver, Also 2 Ikon staff came from Edmonton, 1 from Grande Prairie and 1 from Fort St. John. I expect other than the lawyer they also used the time to check on clients but what a waste. I did suggest to Ikon while there it would be wise for both of us if they would sell the unit so as to limit both our losses and hold the money to disburse as per court judgement but as usual they want nothing to do with the 500. Of interest - regards the IR5000 court documents Ikon claims to only have to do repairs - not preventative maintenance. I wonder if I could sell that quote to Xerox :) I do have a document Ikon had me sign and fax to them years ago which was for the copy amount and it does state they would do Preventative Maintenance and any drums in return for their click charge. I did speak to their lawyer and Ikons case is that we were obligated due to signing and that they have 4 technicians that say the machine is fine. Their expert statement is that the fuser rollers were likely damaged due to operator running copies through at higher than card speed so that toner flaked onto the fuser rollers then pulled the rubber apart. Their expert also states copier is good but needed a user calibration to remove the yellow hue. The day they were in by court order to inspect the machine the expert could not or would not tell me of anything to make the copier work decent no doubt as by doing so they would be adimitting there is a problem. We have a independent Konica Minolta Technician trained on the previous 450 and he says it is not a operator fixable condition based on his color experience. At minimum he figured the 100,000 copy service was required. He also indicates this fuser roller problems and machine going out of calibration were common complaints and indicates updated parts became available but as a Konica Minolta dealer has his hands tied in regards to providing documentation. Our employee present when the unit was installed says Ikon could not at that time find the On/Off switch. Also we have Gradation & Fiery Calibrations with toner spots or missing spots like the Coronas might be arcing. Also apparent on the black printouts of the Ikon expert. Also some poor printouts on CPP500 which look fine printed off our Doc 12 and 250. In general though the copy off the glass did work, it was the copies via computer that varied constantly. We have the emails from EFI indicating the unit required the 1-GLDN patch for Glossy toner and indications are that when they did finally install the several patches including 1-IK80R they neglected to install the new PC and Mac PPD's (printer driver) on the workstation. We were left with no written documentation to do this update but I've figured these out from the Patch disk that they did leave and from Konica Minolta that this might be part of the problem. List help requested Our CPP500 decal was affixed at time of installation but I did find C500 stamped on back of copier - I was wondering if unit had been field upgraded from 8050 to CPP500 and was why the missing computer software. If anyone has a 8050 I would appreciate if you could check the back panel to see if it states 8050 or C500? A Konica Minolta rep says on their Print driver if you go into the Expert area somewhere on the right side the user profiles should have a version 2 tacked on? We could not find any mention of a version 2. I am guessing they are going to tell me it was our responsibility to remove and upgrade the print driver - would have been nice had we knowm to. Could any Ikon CPP500 owner tell me if your printer driver mentions a version2 in expert settings area. I am guessing this is the color management area and the color profiles? I would appreciate a PC or Mac screen dump sent to me showing the profiles have a version 2 if that was indeed possible on the Ikon. End result - we think the local tech had no training, the one 100 miles away had training during the problems we experienced , even the ones in Edmonton presented as experts never knew to check for missing patches, requiring me to relay my discussion and email from EFI. I am going to include documentation showing that at least 2 people were provided 2nd fuser units if thats okay Charlene? & John? anyone else that had this fix? I know that some here have had good success with the 500 but even some of those people have had periods of instability. I would like to know of any instances because we seem to have had all our problems to begin with. I wonder if I should have or still could include EFI in the small claims lawsuit or Konica Minolta, however Konica Minolta Canada claims to have had no part in the machines which they say were factory purchased in Japan Thanks for any documentation you might provide. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com Dawson Creek BC 250-782-7108 From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Sat Nov 3 16:33:10 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Sat Nov 3 16:33:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction Message-ID: You may want to ask your CPA about this new deduction. 2006 was the first year it was available. 2007 is coming to a close, and I thought I'd pass it along in case you missed it last year. It pertains to domestic mfg. It's a deduction of wages paid for things mfg in the US.....such as printing. Sort of..... The IRS doesn't explain it very well, but...in their own strange way...... they are promoting it heavily. Which is why you may not have heard of it. Larry DPP Tucson From smc at sorrentomesa.com Sun Nov 4 09:08:37 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Sun Nov 4 09:12:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200711041411.lA4EBjtD073892@i2bnetworks.com> Outstanding Larry! Your post just saved us all a lot of dough. Had no idea.... Here's the English version so we can all understand a little better. http://tinyurl.com/2mvy89 Thanks buddy. S. At 01:33 PM 11/3/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >You may want to ask your CPA about this new deduction. 2006 was the >first year it was available. 2007 is coming to a close, and I >thought I'd pass it along in case you missed it last year. It >pertains to domestic mfg. > >It's a deduction of wages paid for things mfg in the US.....such as >printing. Sort of..... > >The IRS doesn't explain it very well, but...in their own strange >way...... they are promoting it heavily. Which is why you may not >have heard of it. > > > >Larry >DPP >Tucson >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2636 (20071103) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From championprinting at yahoo.com Sun Nov 4 11:01:23 2007 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Sun Nov 4 11:01:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction Message-ID: <904819.13705.qm@web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'll say. I just forwarded the link to the JOA article to my accountant for his take. Thanks guys. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Scott Cappel To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2007 9:08:37 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Outstanding Larry! Your post just saved us all a lot of dough. Had no idea.... Here's the English version so we can all understand a little better. http://tinyurl.com/2mvy89 Thanks buddy. S. At 01:33 PM 11/3/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >You may want to ask your CPA about this new deduction. 2006 was the >first year it was available. 2007 is coming to a close, and I >thought I'd pass it along in case you missed it last year. It >pertains to domestic mfg. > >It's a deduction of wages paid for things mfg in the US.....such as >printing. Sort of..... > >The IRS doesn't explain it very well, but...in their own strange >way...... they are promoting it heavily. Which is why you may not >have heard of it. > > > >Larry >DPP >Tucson >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2636 (20071103) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com From keli at parchmentpress.net Sun Nov 4 12:46:55 2007 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Sun Nov 4 12:47:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Help to find Company Message-ID: <472E058F.3060906@parchmentpress.net> Hello, We just got a new laminator off of ebay.. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230183354821 MEGA Lam/Master 25" wide hot laminator Our old one died... Does anyone know of any info about the company that made it? Are they still around? thanks, Keli Parchment Press Coxsackie, NY From dennis.trump at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 13:12:39 2007 From: dennis.trump at gmail.com (Dennis Trump) Date: Sun Nov 4 13:13:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction In-Reply-To: <904819.13705.qm@web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <904819.13705.qm@web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41aa6a080711041012x19f80b3bm416c58b1eb9958b7@mail.gmail.com> > I'll say. I just forwarded the link to the JOA article to my accountant for his take. Thanks guys. > Ditto....I sent the article on to mine right after Scott posted the link. Thanks guys! -- Dennis Trump Trump Direct a print and direct mail communications company Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Sun Nov 4 15:32:25 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Sun Nov 4 15:32:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Remote Computing In-Reply-To: <20071103170002.E9733C52A8C@rb.enter.net> References: <20071103170002.E9733C52A8C@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <669138e12c0d36900f689bd15a742f9f@sheergraphics.com> This program Timbuktu works on PC and Macs, albeit with different software versions or the 'multi-platform' version. One can control a PC running Windoze from a remote iMac laptop. With my elderly PowerBook I choose to have the remote screen's window displaying in shades of gray. This needs less bandwidth, isn't hampered by the lower processor speed, and makes it easier to distinguish which computer one is controlling. I'm quickly confused about which computer the laptop is driving! The software came free with each successive Netopia modem, we had also previously purchased the multi-platform edition. Each machine requires a different software 'key'. Now if I was not writing this from 4-1/4" miles away, I might begin work on the 4 color survey. A VPN (virtual private network) might help, but it's the weekend and nothing beats being in the office to look up the data. > We use a program called Timbuktu, it allows me to work from home and > control > the computer at work just as if I was there. There is a slight > performance > loss so if I am going to do anything that will require more than a few > minutes on any one file I will use Timbuktu to copy the files to the > remote > Mac at home, work on them there and then copy them back to the office > Mac. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From smc at sorrentomesa.com Sun Nov 4 16:13:33 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Sun Nov 4 16:16:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Remote Computing In-Reply-To: <669138e12c0d36900f689bd15a742f9f@sheergraphics.com> References: <20071103170002.E9733C52A8C@rb.enter.net> <669138e12c0d36900f689bd15a742f9f@sheergraphics.com> Message-ID: <200711042116.lA4LGgTq021802@i2bnetworks.com> Just another thought here. You don't need to buy any software to run a Windows box remotely from a Mac. I run my Windows XP workstation at work (I am right now actually as I'm writing this) through my VPN from my MacBook Pro using Windows Remote Desktop for Mac: http://tinyurl.com/pshn I'm not using the new beta for Intel Macs, just the original one and it works just great. It is easy to control an XP workstation remotely from either another XP box or a Mac, free and fast. You can also pay money for a Citrix based service without the need for a VPN with something like Go To MY PC, or a free service like LogMeIn.com The more challenging task is to control a Mac remotely and there are fewer options like the ones I mentioned in my previous post..but you need a VPN to make those work. I'm not aware of any web based services that can remote into a Mac...sure would be nice to have one. S. At 12:32 PM 11/4/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >This program Timbuktu works on PC and Macs, albeit with different >software versions or the 'multi-platform' version. > > >One can control a PC running Windoze from a remote iMac laptop. With >my elderly PowerBook I choose to have the remote screen's window >displaying in shades of gray. This needs less bandwidth, isn't >hampered by the lower processor speed, and makes it easier to >distinguish which computer one is controlling. I'm quickly confused >about which computer the laptop is driving! > >The software came free with each successive Netopia modem, we had >also previously purchased the multi-platform edition. Each machine >requires a different software 'key'. > >Now if I was not writing this from 4-1/4" miles away, I might begin >work on the 4 color survey. A VPN (virtual private network) might >help, but it's the weekend and nothing beats being in the office to >look up the data. > >>We use a program called Timbuktu, it allows me to work from home and control >>the computer at work just as if I was there. There is a slight performance >>loss so if I am going to do anything that will require more than a few >>minutes on any one file I will use Timbuktu to copy the files to the remote >>Mac at home, work on them there and then copy them back to the office Mac. > >Please reply to Simon Sheers at: > > >Sheer Graphics Inc. >47 Chestnut Avenue, >Westmont, IL 60559-1127 >Tel: (630) 654-4422 > >Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2636 (20071103) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Sun Nov 4 16:19:55 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Sun Nov 4 16:20:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Remote Computing In-Reply-To: <20071104160203.34B3AC55EEC@rb.enter.net> References: <20071104160203.34B3AC55EEC@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <4aa5bba8b5c463f47f4c071e11cb093c@sheergraphics.com> Point to point VPN capability was also included in the price of the 4686XL Netopia router. List price was $368.00, but we paid $249.00 because we owned another Netopia router and thus were given a $119.00 discount. If you're not savvy enough, Netopia would set up VPN for a flat $99.00. Then download the PDF 4686 datasheet at right hand side of webpage. The illustration is way out-of-date, our box is smaller and much more sleek looking. > Your best choice is to set up a point to point VPN between your > employee's house and the office. > > That way everything will be encrypted in transmission and you could > use a simple remote client like: > > http://www.apple.com/remotedesktop/ > > which cost some $, or something like Chicken of the VNC: > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/cotvnc/ > > which is free but not as fast. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From char at themasterspress.com Sun Nov 4 17:51:44 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Sun Nov 4 17:52:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] CPP500 -small claims lawsuit - delayed -long In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ken you can use the email I sent about our second fuser roller. I don't know if I have any other info to help you out. My understanding of the Ikon unit is that they purchase it from Japan like you said. KM will not touch an Ikon unit. Say the software and info is different. So I doubt you will get much help from that end. Most of the problems I had experienced seemed to be taken care of when I got a new rip that KM put in. good luck on this. No court dealings are fun. Charlene On 11/3/07 4:02 PM, "k_graham@hotmail.com" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > After 2 years I was expecting my 2 days in small claims court but we got > bumped by a criminal court. > > Bothersome for me as I had to balance store help with 2 commutes of 150 > kilometers plus my witness technician time who fortunately used it to also > work on some customer copiers. > > On Ikons side they flew a lawyer in from Vancouver, Also 2 Ikon staff came > from Edmonton, 1 from Grande Prairie and 1 from Fort St. John. I expect > other than the lawyer they also used the time to check on clients but what a > waste. > > I did suggest to Ikon while there it would be wise for both of us if they > would sell the unit so as to limit both our losses and hold the money to > disburse as per court judgement but as usual they want nothing to do with > the 500. > > Of interest - regards the IR5000 court documents Ikon claims to only have to > do repairs - not preventative maintenance. I wonder if I could sell that > quote to Xerox :) I do have a document Ikon had me sign and fax to them > years ago which was for the copy amount and it does state they would do > Preventative Maintenance and any drums in return for their click charge. > > I did speak to their lawyer and Ikons case is that we were obligated due to > signing and that they have 4 technicians that say the machine is fine. > > Their expert statement is that the fuser rollers were likely damaged due to > operator running copies through at higher than card speed so that toner > flaked onto the fuser rollers then pulled the rubber apart. Their expert > also states copier is good but needed a user calibration to remove the > yellow hue. The day they were in by court order to inspect the machine the > expert could not or would not tell me of anything to make the copier work > decent no doubt as by doing so they would be adimitting there is a problem. > > We have a independent Konica Minolta Technician trained on the previous 450 > and he says it is not a operator fixable condition based on his color > experience. At minimum he figured the 100,000 copy service was required. He > also indicates this fuser roller problems and machine going out of > calibration were common complaints and indicates updated parts became > available but as a Konica Minolta dealer has his hands tied in regards to > providing documentation. > > Our employee present when the unit was installed says Ikon could not at that > time find the On/Off switch. > Also we have Gradation & Fiery Calibrations with toner spots or missing > spots like the Coronas might be arcing. Also apparent on the black printouts > of the Ikon expert. Also some poor printouts on CPP500 which look fine > printed off our Doc 12 and 250. In general though the copy off the glass did > work, it was the copies via computer that varied constantly. > > We have the emails from EFI indicating the unit required the 1-GLDN patch > for Glossy toner and indications are that when they did finally install the > several patches including 1-IK80R they neglected to install the new PC and > Mac PPD's (printer driver) on the workstation. We were left with no written > documentation to do this update but I've figured these out from the Patch > disk that they did leave and from Konica Minolta that this might be part of > the problem. > > List help requested > > Our CPP500 decal was affixed at time of installation but I did find C500 > stamped on back of copier - I was wondering if unit had been field upgraded > from 8050 to CPP500 and was why the missing computer software. If anyone has > a 8050 I would appreciate if you could check the back panel to see if it > states 8050 or C500? > > A Konica Minolta rep says on their Print driver if you go into the Expert > area somewhere on the right side the user profiles should have a version 2 > tacked on? We could not find any mention of a version 2. I am guessing they > are going to tell me it was our responsibility to remove and upgrade the > print driver - would have been nice had we knowm to. Could any Ikon CPP500 > owner tell me if your printer driver mentions a version2 in expert settings > area. I am guessing this is the color management area and the color > profiles? > > I would appreciate a PC or Mac screen dump sent to me showing the profiles > have a version 2 if that was indeed possible on the Ikon. > > End result - we think the local tech had no training, the one 100 miles away > had training during the problems we experienced , even the ones in Edmonton > presented as experts never knew to check for missing patches, requiring me > to relay my discussion and email from EFI. > > I am going to include documentation showing that at least 2 people were > provided 2nd fuser units if thats okay Charlene? > & John? > anyone else that had this fix? > > I know that some here have had good success with the 500 but even some of > those people have had periods of instability. I would like to know of any > instances because we seem to have had all our problems to begin with. > > I wonder if I should have or still could include EFI in the small claims > lawsuit or Konica Minolta, however Konica Minolta Canada claims to have had > no part in the machines which they say were factory purchased in Japan > > Thanks for any documentation you might provide. > > Ken Graham > CommunityPrinters.com > Dawson Creek BC > 250-782-7108 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Charlene Sims The Master?s Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 Fax 972-404-0317 Char@themasterspress.com From k_graham at hotmail.com Sun Nov 4 20:19:55 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Sun Nov 4 20:20:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] CPP500 -small claims lawsuit - delayed -long References: Message-ID: Ken you can use the email I sent about our second fuser roller. I don't know if I have any other info to help you out. My understanding of the Ikon unit is that they purchase it from Japan like you said. KM will not touch an Ikon unit. Say the software and info is different. So I doubt you will get much help from that end. Most of the problems I had experienced seemed to be taken care of when I got a new rip that KM put in. good luck on this. No court dealings are fun. Charlene Charlene; Can you go into detail on the problems you experienced that required a replacement RIP. Did the technicians agree you needed a new RIP or did you have to fight for it? Was it a internal Fiery RIP? >patches including 1-IK80R they neglected to install the new PC and > Mac PPD's (printer driver) on the workstation Through my Konica/Minolta & Canon technician I had talked to a K/M rep last year and he mentioned about a patch (probably the above patch) that required installing a new printer driver on the workstations- apparently this driver on Konica Minolta adds a ver 2. designator, I think in the Colorwise - Custom setting if you check the profiles they are supposed to have a 2 after them. I could be wrong but do need to know where this version 2 comes in. Dare I ask if yours is showing this update and where is the version 2 designator. As best I can tell ours doesn't, It would be nice to speak to a happy Ikon CPP500 owner (if one exists) to find out how their workstations are set up. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com From k_graham at hotmail.com Mon Nov 5 08:40:29 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Mon Nov 5 08:41:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] CPP500 -small claims lawsuit - delayed -long References: Message-ID: Thanks Charlene; Can you go into detail on the problems you experienced that required a replacement RIP. Did the technicians agree you needed a new RIP or did you have to fight for it? Was it a internal Fiery RIP? Through my Konica/Minolta & Canon technician I had talked to a K/M rep last year and he mentioned about a patch (probably the 1-IK80R patch) that required installing a new printer driver on the workstations- apparently this driver on Konica Minolta adds a ver 2. designator, I think in the Colorwise - Custom setting if you check the profiles they are supposed to have a 2 after them. I could be wrong but do need to know where this version 2 comes in. Dare I ask if yours is showing this update and where is the version 2 designator. As best I can tell ours doesn't, It would be nice to speak to a happy Ikon CPP500 owner (if one exists) to find out how their workstations are set up. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com Dawson Creek BC Canada Tel 250-782-7108 From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Mon Nov 5 10:11:35 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Mon Nov 5 10:12:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Remote Computing In-Reply-To: <20071105012042.7A9CCC57580@rb.enter.net> References: <20071105012042.7A9CCC57580@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <35cd3d652fc1e96716903a5acdebaab6@sheergraphics.com> Timbuktu is the program I use to control the iMac on my desk at the office from my Mac PowerBook at home - without a VPN. The only challenge is setting Timbuktu up, but Netopia, at least prior to Motorola's ownership, was very helpful. With a VPN I could use my laptop as a remote workstation of our central server. Again, Netopia would or did help set these features up. > The more challenging task is to control a Mac remotely and there are > fewer options like the ones I mentioned in my previous post..but you > need a VPN to make those work. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From bill at rapidpressct.com Mon Nov 5 10:54:02 2007 From: bill at rapidpressct.com (Bill Fishman) Date: Mon Nov 5 10:55:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Shrinkwrap Systems In-Reply-To: <200711031702.lA3H27uP046067@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <369050.97108.qm@web701.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am looking to replace our 25 year old Bessler shrinkwrap system (L-seal with tunnel), 12x18 minimum size, any suggestions? Bill Fishman Rapid Press 555 Summer Street Stamford CT 06901 tel 203-348-8884 fax 203-348-3363 From bob.weatherallprinting at gmail.com Mon Nov 5 11:24:47 2007 From: bob.weatherallprinting at gmail.com (Bob Lehman) Date: Mon Nov 5 11:27:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Shrinkwrap Systems References: <369050.97108.qm@web701.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00cd01c81fc8$62bccdc0$0b00000a@wp.com> We recently replaced a Bessler, similar to what you described, with an Eastey that we purchased through Unisource. The Eastey was a trade in that Unisource had on hand but we have been very happy with it. It has an automated take-away or delivery to the tunnel after the shrink-wrap material is sealed around the package. Bob Lehman Weatherall Printing Co., Inc. P.O. Box 677 Tupelo, MS 38802 Ph 662-842-5284 Fax 662-844-4533 bob@weatherallprinting.com www.weatherallprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Fishman" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:54 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Shrinkwrap Systems > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > I am looking to replace our 25 year old Bessler shrinkwrap system (L-seal > with tunnel), 12x18 minimum size, any suggestions? > > > Bill Fishman > Rapid Press > 555 Summer Street > Stamford CT 06901 > tel 203-348-8884 > fax 203-348-3363 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Nov 5 12:00:25 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Nov 5 12:02:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Shrinkwrap Systems In-Reply-To: <369050.97108.qm@web701.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200711031702.lA3H27uP046067@i2bnetworks.com> <369050.97108.qm@web701.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0711050900h46aaee1cp2ae7615a1721267d@mail.gmail.com> On Nov 5, 2007 10:54 AM, Bill Fishman wrote: > > I am looking to replace our 25 year old Bessler shrinkwrap system (L-seal with tunnel), 12x18 minimum size, any suggestions? We've been very happy with our DibiPack from ProPack in Englewood, NJ. It's well worth looking at. But they sell other types as well (http://shrinkfilm.com/machinery/index.htm). Excellent service. 201-871-8787 (ask for Peter). -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From nt at andrewsblueprint.com Mon Nov 5 12:04:15 2007 From: nt at andrewsblueprint.com (Nancy Thomsen) Date: Mon Nov 5 12:04:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Very Discouraged with 4C Survey Responses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20071105170451.A72D8C595CA@rb.enter.net> I am also about 3/4 through the survey. The process has forced me to do some real work on my pricing. After completing the business cards section, I finally set up a menu for business cards. I have talked about it for almost a year. That will save me hours of time. I also put together the business card design price list. That will save time and make more on design. My designer put together all the pages and put them in the counter book. Now I have to deal with color copy pricing. It would be so much easier if I just made a matrix. I have one in Printers Plan, but it's not correct. It would be so much easier to just check price table and give the price. So, I will get through the survey and send it back. This is a great exercise. Nancy Nancy Thomsen Andrews Blueprint, Inc 269 Griffin St. Salinas, CA 93901 Phone: (831) 424-0331 www.andrewsblueprint.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Mon Nov 5 12:27:58 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Mon Nov 5 12:29:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Very Discouraged with 4C Survey Responses Message-ID: In a message dated 11/5/2007 12:06:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, nt@andrewsblueprint.com writes: Now I have to deal with color copy pricing. It would be so much easier if I just made a matrix. I have one in Printers Plan, but it's not correct. It would be so much easier to just check price table and give the price. Our intention is produce/create one or more color copying matrices based on 3-4 different stocks, sizes and possibly even machine speeds. Thanks so much for completing the survey form. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Mon Nov 5 12:37:41 2007 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Mon Nov 5 12:38:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Printing over U.V. Coating In-Reply-To: <472A040B.2060202@weprintcary.com> References: <20071101140336.84317C4A26E@rb.enter.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20071101114128.0335dba8@bucksdigital.com> <472A040B.2060202@weprintcary.com> Message-ID: <58672F87-67D9-44F8-91A3-A982071420EE@bellsouth.net> The suggestions of thermography, black foil stamping, using a mailing company that has inks made for this would have all worked I am sure. However, Richard's suggestion below worked great. We tried some on our CPP500 and the results couldn't have been better. I doubt I would have ever thought to try this... Thanks for all of the ideas! Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Nov 1, 2007, at 12:51 PM, Richard Cobb wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Several years ago, did it very successfully with my Doc12. > > Richard Cobb > Allegra Print & Imaging > 1155 Kildaire Farm Road > Cary, NC 27511 > 919-468-3334 > fax 919-468-3880 > > The Future of Printing is Here > > Helping Businesses Find Ways to Enhance the VALUE of Their > Print Communications! > > Bob Herion wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> Never seen it successfully done, Ben, but then I've been in >> digital so long that there may be an ink solution. >> If not, I can tell you that I had complete success with stamping >> over it. Very opaque, clean, professional looking. >> Good luck. >> Bob >> At 10:03 AM 11/1/2007, you wrote: >>> Now our customer wants to cover us some info that has a U.V. coating >>> on it. We are going to give it a try... using Tuff Tex Black ink. >>> >>> Anyone have any advice on how to best do this? We will overprint a >>> black square (will be ugly, but customer not concerned about that). >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Ben Travis >>> >>> Copy Express >>> 4004-A South Blvd. >>> Charlotte, NC 20209 >>> cpyxpres@bellsouth.net >>> 704-527-1750 >> Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's >> Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 >> 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 >> www.bucksdigital.com >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From char at themasterspress.com Mon Nov 5 12:38:57 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Mon Nov 5 12:40:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Shrinkwrap Systems In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0711050900h46aaee1cp2ae7615a1721267d@mail.gmail.com> References: <200711031702.lA3H27uP046067@i2bnetworks.com><369050.97108.qm@web701.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <98f5b19a0711050900h46aaee1cp2ae7615a1721267d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <009901c81fd2$c7d753b0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> I love our DibiPack also. Have had mine for 5 years. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 11:00 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Shrinkwrap Systems ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Nov 5, 2007 10:54 AM, Bill Fishman wrote: > > I am looking to replace our 25 year old Bessler shrinkwrap system (L-seal with tunnel), 12x18 minimum size, any suggestions? We've been very happy with our DibiPack from ProPack in Englewood, NJ. It's well worth looking at. But they sell other types as well (http://shrinkfilm.com/machinery/index.htm). Excellent service. 201-871-8787 (ask for Peter). -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kk1127 at mindspring.com Mon Nov 5 13:22:37 2007 From: kk1127 at mindspring.com (John Hughes) Date: Mon Nov 5 13:23:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Remote Computing References: <20071105012042.7A9CCC57580@rb.enter.net> <35cd3d652fc1e96716903a5acdebaab6@sheergraphics.com> Message-ID: <04eb01c81fd8$d830e860$0b01a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Thanks for all the responses. Great list! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Sheers" To: Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Remote Computing > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Timbuktu is the program I use to control the iMac on my desk at the > office from my Mac PowerBook at home - without a VPN. The only > challenge is setting Timbuktu up, but Netopia, at least prior to > Motorola's ownership, was very helpful. > > With a VPN I could use my laptop as a remote workstation of our central > server. Again, Netopia would or did help set these features up. > >> The more challenging task is to control a Mac remotely and there are >> fewer options like the ones I mentioned in my previous post..but you >> need a VPN to make those work. > > Please reply to Simon Sheers at: > > > Sheer Graphics Inc. > 47 Chestnut Avenue, > Westmont, IL 60559-1127 > Tel: (630) 654-4422 > > Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mail at myprinter.biz Mon Nov 5 14:20:54 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Mon Nov 5 14:21:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Beware of the Trade Exchange of American (aka Trade.com) In-Reply-To: <9d27302d1ee870d605d55c29fc0df226@eos.net> Message-ID: If you're ever approached by the Trade Exchange of America - they run a "barter" system - I'd strongly recommend that you tell them to leave immediately and to never darken your door again, before they waste lots of your time and go after you, completely unjustifiably, for money. Of course, they'll never get any money from me, and neither will the "collection agency" to which they gave the "debt," but I figure that I owe it to rip-off artists to make them famous, especially to the other members of this list, who I'm hoping will reciprocate when they run across "to be avoided" entities. Dan Lipford Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz From jgross at techiowa.com Mon Nov 5 14:33:20 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Mon Nov 5 14:34:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Beware of the Trade Exchange of American (akaTrade.com) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00e201c81fe2$b94f96d0$1e00000a@tech.local> Thanks for the heads up Dan. Except for a couple of personally managed one time deals, bartering is an accounting nightmare at least, and those needing to barter rarely have anything I need. Never found a paper or ink supplier on their list. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com .com) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** If you're ever approached by the Trade Exchange of America - they run a "barter" system - I'd strongly recommend that you tell them to leave immediately and to never darken your door again, before they waste lots of your time and go after you, completely unjustifiably, for money. Of course, they'll never get any money from me, and neither will the "collection agency" to which they gave the "debt," but I figure that I owe it to rip-off artists to make them famous, especially to the other members of this list, who I'm hoping will reciprocate when they run across "to be avoided" entities. Dan Lipford Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From craig at portageprinting.com Mon Nov 5 14:51:23 2007 From: craig at portageprinting.com (Craig Vestal) Date: Mon Nov 5 14:52:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:4c Survey Response References: <20071103170003.4860DC52A90@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <001b01c81fe5$3eaee400$0400000a@CraigNotebook> John, We have yet to receive ours, and have just downloaded the Acrobat file, "just in case". I have never missed filling out one of your surveys over the past two decades or so. These are the best freebies we ever get. Ever. Craig Vestal President Portage Printing 1116 W Centre, Portage, MI 49024 269.323.9333 PortagePrinting.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Mon Nov 5 15:05:14 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Mon Nov 5 15:06:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:4c Survey Response Message-ID: Thanks Craig for participating. If you did not receive a copy in the mail it most likely will never get there since 98% have been. I will be the first to admit that it is very hard maintaining and keeping lists up to date, but also statistically fair and balanced (damn, sounds like a commercial for FOX).... we no longer add people to the list... the only way names are added or deleted is by a random selection of the draw, plus NCOA updates, etc. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Mon Nov 5 15:08:57 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Mon Nov 5 15:09:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Beware of the Trade Exchange of American (akaTrade.com) Message-ID: In a message dated 11/5/2007 2:35:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jgross@techiowa.com writes: Thanks for the heads up Dan. Except for a couple of personally managed one time deals, bartering is an accounting nightmare at least, and those needing to barter rarely have anything I need. Never found a paper or ink supplier on their list. Someone once said, "Never, never barter for something that you wouldn't otherwise be more than willing to pay hard cold cash for." As a general rule, I think bartering is a mistake and most companies that I encounter that do any significant amount of bartering are often the same ones that have other serious problems as well. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From steveh at metrowestprinting.com Mon Nov 5 16:20:00 2007 From: steveh at metrowestprinting.com (Steve Hitner) Date: Mon Nov 5 15:21:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 20 lb Paper on KM 6500 Message-ID: <041b01c81ff1$9fad1900$17fea8c0@Steveh> We have a client who needs all their manuals printed on 20# paper. The problem is that our KM 6500 does not like it very much and we experience a lot of jams. We are using Hammermil DP. Can anyone recommend a better running sheet for this machine? Best Regards, Steve Hitner 160 Main Street Marlborough, MA 01752 508-481-6699 steveh@metrowestprinting.com From gamble at choiceonemail.com Mon Nov 5 15:34:11 2007 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Mon Nov 5 15:34:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 20 lb Paper on KM 6500 In-Reply-To: <041b01c81ff1$9fad1900$17fea8c0@Steveh> References: <041b01c81ff1$9fad1900$17fea8c0@Steveh> Message-ID: <0cde01c81feb$3953d4b0$0301a8c0@RICK> Steve, How does #60 run through your machine and why not just make that your house sheet on that machine. I have a Xerox Workcentre Pro 90 which all but hates #20 paper including "x's" so I run nothing but #60 on machine as my lightest. Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. Buffalo, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email P.S. any of you Northeast folks going to the print show in Canada? -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Hitner Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 4:20 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] 20 lb Paper on KM 6500 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have a client who needs all their manuals printed on 20# paper. The problem is that our KM 6500 does not like it very much and we experience a lot of jams. We are using Hammermil DP. Can anyone recommend a better running sheet for this machine? Best Regards, Steve Hitner 160 Main Street Marlborough, MA 01752 508-481-6699 steveh@metrowestprinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From k_graham at hotmail.com Mon Nov 5 15:46:34 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Mon Nov 5 15:47:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 20 lb Paper on KM 6500 References: <041b01c81ff1$9fad1900$17fea8c0@Steveh> Message-ID: >We have a client who needs all their manuals printed on 20# paper. The >problem is that our KM 6500 does not like it very much >and we experience a >lot of jams. We are using Hammermil DP. Can anyone recommend a better >running sheet for this machine? Silly question - are you running from a tray underneath and if so are you putting it in the tray upside down as you are supposed to. On our 240 it does make a difference during duplexing operations, we can get jambs if the package is not flipped upside down. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 Dawson Creek BC Canada V1G 2G5 From pica18 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 5 16:46:33 2007 From: pica18 at hotmail.com (s polk) Date: Mon Nov 5 16:46:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Engraving Message-ID: Hi, I need a new source for custom engraved stationery and note cards. We don't have much call for it these days, but do want to accommodate the handfull of folks who appreciate fine printing. We had bought from W.A. Buening through the years, but they are not as easy to communicate with since being bought by Arzberger. It may be because I'm not willing to pay $500 for their sample book. I am familiar of course with Carlson Craft, but we are looking for more flexible order options than they can offer. I would appreciate any recommendations. Steve McKinsey Printing Western Carolina _________________________________________________________________ Boo!?Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailnews From bryan at printpartnersinc.com Mon Nov 5 17:10:46 2007 From: bryan at printpartnersinc.com (Bryan Hannon) Date: Mon Nov 5 17:05:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Engraving In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <015501c81ff8$b7a08540$fb01a8c0@pp.lan> If you are looking for a custom engraver Not sure where you are? If in North Carolina A good local source is southern engraving co 336-656-0084 ask for Carole BRYAN P HANNON PRINTING PARTNERS INC. 610 INDENEER DRIVE KERNERSVILLE, NC 27284 336-996-2268 FAX 336-992-2258 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of s polk Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 4:47 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Engraving ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hi, I need a new source for custom engraved stationery and note cards. We don't have much call for it these days, but do want to accommodate the handfull of folks who appreciate fine printing. We had bought from W.A. Buening through the years, but they are not as easy to communicate with since being bought by Arzberger. It may be because I'm not willing to pay $500 for their sample book. I am familiar of course with Carlson Craft, but we are looking for more flexible order options than they can offer. I would appreciate any recommendations. Steve McKinsey Printing Western Carolina _________________________________________________________________ Boo!?Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailn ews_______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From si at ria.net Mon Nov 5 17:22:04 2007 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Mon Nov 5 17:25:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Shrinkwrap Systems In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0711050900h46aaee1cp2ae7615a1721267d@mail.gmail.co m> References: <200711031702.lA3H27uP046067@i2bnetworks.com> <369050.97108.qm@web701.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <98f5b19a0711050900h46aaee1cp2ae7615a1721267d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200711052225.lA5MP1121233@plus50.host4u.net> We run a couple of DibiPak 4255 LC machines. Bought the first one at GraphExpo back in October 2000. They've been relatively trouble free, so I would consider DibiPak worthy of consideration for a small shop. However, these are NOT production machines. If you need to process a large number of packages per shift, you should avoid the clamshell devices and go with a more productive tunnel style machine. Doug -- Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From kevin at proprinters.ca Mon Nov 5 17:47:44 2007 From: kevin at proprinters.ca (Kevin at PRO Printers) Date: Mon Nov 5 17:47:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pdf from PowerPoint Message-ID: <022001c81ffd$e19bf320$6600a8c0@promerivale1> We do not print oversize posters inhouse but send them to an outside supplier. Most of our clients prepare their poster layouts in Powerpoint. Sizes are typically 36 X 56 or thereabouts. We would love to prepare a pdf as both a proof for our clients and a production file for our supplier, but we never seem to be able to do this. I can get the page size to be correct but about half of the horizontal area of the pdf is blank with what appears to be some or all of the text in that blank area to be compressed along the vertical centre line of the pdf. Converting to pdf would allow us to analyze and do some minor changes using Pitstop. And why do pics of seemingly terrible resolution (below 72 dpi) print just fine when printing to an oversize device? TIA Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca From dominick at fmtc.com Mon Nov 5 18:02:46 2007 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Mon Nov 5 18:03:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scanners Message-ID: <472FA116.4090303@fmtc.com> Since we were not able to purchase the Canon C1, or the KM6500, or the Canon 5185, due to various failures and 2 clicks for 11 x 17, we find ourselves in need of a high quality scanner. At least 11 x 17 bed, maybe even 13 x 19 if made, but have no idea where to look or start. We have always done scanning from the copier (CLC 1120) and has been great, but that is old technology, and beginning to slow us down. I appreciate any suggestions of brands, or quality to look at. Hope there is some good ones to compare to, as I have only owned "microtek" scanners. Thanks in advance. Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! From dominick at fmtc.com Mon Nov 5 18:05:08 2007 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Mon Nov 5 18:05:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OCE color copier Message-ID: <472FA1A4.3080703@fmtc.com> Anyone running the OCE brand of color copiers? Would like to hear from you, since we have a dealer 300 miles away that is interested in talking to us. Getting sick and tired of "we have to have 2 clicks for 11 x 17 to make any money" from the copier companies. If this was true, they would have cancelled my existing contracts years ago.... Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! From tim at schreurprinting.com Mon Nov 5 21:06:56 2007 From: tim at schreurprinting.com (Tim Schreur) Date: Mon Nov 5 21:05:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Engraving In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Steve, Rose Engraving in Grand Rapids Michigan. Great people. I've worked with them off and on for years. Ask for Mike or Frank. 1-616-243-3108 ----------- Tim Schreur President Schreur Printing - Since 1946 "Our tradition is excellence, our technology is state of art" P 616-392-4405 F 616-392-4296 w www.schreurprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: s polk [mailto:pica18@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 4:47 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Engraving Hi, I need a new source for custom engraved stationery and note cards. We don't have much call for it these days, but do want to accommodate the handfull of folks who appreciate fine printing. We had bought from W.A. Buening through the years, but they are not as easy to communicate with since being bought by Arzberger. It may be because I'm not willing to pay $500 for their sample book. I am familiar of course with Carlson Craft, but we are looking for more flexible order options than they can offer. I would appreciate any recommendations. Steve McKinsey Printing Western Carolina _________________________________________________________________ Boo!?Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailn ews From k_graham at hotmail.com Mon Nov 5 22:29:38 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Mon Nov 5 22:34:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording References: <041b01c81ff1$9fad1900$17fea8c0@Steveh> Message-ID: Needed ideas for proof stamp that will make a client think. Gee if I sign this I actually have to pay even if the typesetter made a mistake. ie. Graphics & Typests make errors, if you don't catch them you pay for print job with errors & redo if desired Approved as is____________________________ Bad week, 2 signed print jobs 1) the customer came back after picking up forms, says he wanted another Tax Line, says he thought he was signing for us to make changes. 2) artist types 2 email addresses on Business Card and got 1 wrong, secretary of customer can't understand how artist can screw up 1 of 2 lines, admits she screwed up checking those 2 lines and approved and signed but feels they should not have to pay even a portion. The 2nd job would not likely have got past our inhouse proofing but staff shortages and job rush meant artist had to print without a additional inhouse proof. I need a better Proof Aproved stamp. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 From armand at curryonline.com Mon Nov 5 22:56:40 2007 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Mon Nov 5 22:58:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording In-Reply-To: References: <041b01c81ff1$9fad1900$17fea8c0@Steveh> Message-ID: <05e401c82029$09bf2950$1d3d7bf0$@com> Why should your customer pay for a mistake your graphics person/typesetter made? If your customer gave you the information correct and your staff typed it wrong, the problem is yours, not your customer's. You should reprint it at no cost to the customer. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of k_graham@hotmail.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 10:30 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Needed ideas for proof stamp that will make a client think. Gee if I sign this I actually have to pay even if the typesetter made a mistake. ie. Graphics & Typests make errors, if you don't catch them you pay for print job with errors & redo if desired Approved as is____________________________ Bad week, 2 signed print jobs 1) the customer came back after picking up forms, says he wanted another Tax Line, says he thought he was signing for us to make changes. 2) artist types 2 email addresses on Business Card and got 1 wrong, secretary of customer can't understand how artist can screw up 1 of 2 lines, admits she screwed up checking those 2 lines and approved and signed but feels they should not have to pay even a portion. The 2nd job would not likely have got past our inhouse proofing but staff shortages and job rush meant artist had to print without a additional inhouse proof. I need a better Proof Aproved stamp. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Nov 5 23:05:00 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Nov 5 23:05:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording In-Reply-To: References: <041b01c81ff1$9fad1900$17fea8c0@Steveh> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0711052005s79792bd6q4dfe325ce8f81a33@mail.gmail.com> On 11/5/07, k_graham@hotmail.com wrote: > > Needed ideas for proof stamp that will make a client think. Gee if I sign > this I actually have to pay even if the typesetter made a mistake. > > Graphics & Typests make errors, if you don't catch them > you pay for print job with errors & redo if desired Proofreading is not a word game on a diner placemat. I would be very put-off if handed that wording and asked to sign my approval. You're saying " it's quite likely that my employees have screwed this up, but it's up to you to find their errors." More common proof wording conveys the same meaning in a less antagonistic in-your-face way. > 2) artist types 2 email addresses on Business Card and got 1 wrong, > secretary of customer can't understand how artist can screw up 1 of 2 lines, > admits she screwed up checking those 2 lines and approved and signed but > feels they should not have to pay even a portion. > > The 2nd job would not likely have got past our inhouse proofing but staff > shortages and job rush meant artist had to print without a additional > inhouse proof. It's hard to imagine that I would not reprint, at my expense, in the above case. There's so little text to proofread on a business card; an error like this is hard to justify, even harder to justify penalizing the customer for. A simple procedural adjustment might be all you need. When handing the proof form and proof to the customer, verbalize what you expect them to do, what they need to check, and that their signature is their approval to print as is. This should be all it takes to end the problem of the cursory once-over look, and "yeah, that looks great" approval that inexperienced print-buyers commonly proffer. We actually ask them to read the proof form before proofreading, so they are informed of what is expected of them. Two truths: (1) This works. (2) There will be exceptions. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From craig at portageprinting.com Mon Nov 5 21:33:00 2007 From: craig at portageprinting.com (Craig Vestal) Date: Tue Nov 6 08:52:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:Beware Trade Exchange of America References: <20071105193410.C5E73C59DC8@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <000001c8207c$3cced2c0$0400000a@CraigNotebook> I can't vouch for this particular trade exchange, but we have had pretty good luck with our barter locally. All of our employees have 100 per cent paid dental because of barter. We do tons of advertising -print, radio and billboards, and have had our parking lot repaved, roofing, hardwood flooring in the lobby, and a ten thousand dollar antique neon sign refurbished and installed outside the shop. We get boxes of gourmet brownies from a bakery every month to send to our best accounts. Some of our "barter" print projects have won NAQP PrintExcellence Awards, including one that we designed that resulted in me getting to hang out all night drinking beer with author Dave Barry. The slot machine, juke box and video games that we have out front to amuse the clients were gotten on trade. Our radio jingle (original tune, orchestra, vocal group, production) was all done through the local trade exchange. I think that my favorite barter story is from a huge snowstorm that hit us 5 years back. There was such a load on the flat roof that it was in danger of collapse. A crew worked over the weekend up there with a bobcat and a few guys with shovels to get it all off the roof onto the ground. Then they put it in a dumptruck with a front end loader. Cost over four grand, all billed through the trade exchange. I turned the invoice over to my insurance company, and they reimbursed me in cash. Your actual mileage may vary. Craig Vestal President Portage Printing 1116 W Centre, Portage, MI 49024 269.323.9333 PortagePrinting.com From rshutson at yahoo.com Tue Nov 6 09:36:10 2007 From: rshutson at yahoo.com (Roger Hutson) Date: Tue Nov 6 09:37:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Presstek In-Reply-To: <20071105224832.3ABBCC5A790@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <457724.37694.qm@web53706.mail.re2.yahoo.com> We are getting rid of our 4 color Solna and our 2 color Hamada and possibly getting a Presstek 34DI, I wondered if anyone has any comments, preferably from an owner or operator, good or bad. Roger in NC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Tue Nov 6 10:00:07 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Tue Nov 6 10:02:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0711052005s79792bd6q4dfe325ce8f81a33@mail.gmail.com> References: <041b01c81ff1$9fad1900$17fea8c0@Steveh> <98f5b19a0711052005s79792bd6q4dfe325ce8f81a33@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: When I hand a proof to a customer, and they say it looks Ok and hand it back right away, I ask them if they checked all the numbers and spelling. Then they go back and reread everything. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Nov 6 10:00:34 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Nov 6 10:05:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording In-Reply-To: References: <041b01c81ff1$9fad1900$17fea8c0@Steveh> Message-ID: <200711061503.lA6F3o04038102@i2bnetworks.com> Ken, get real man. This is a fast track to destroying trust, and thus toasting a relationship. You're employee screws up, you fix it....and, if happens enough, whether you fix for free or not, eventually you're client will leave S. At 07:29 PM 11/5/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Needed ideas for proof stamp that will make a client think. Gee if I >sign this I actually have to pay even if the typesetter made a mistake. > >ie. > >Graphics & Typests make errors, if you don't catch them >you pay for print job with errors & redo if desired > >Approved as is____________________________ > > > > >Bad week, 2 signed print jobs > >1) the customer came back after picking up forms, says he wanted >another Tax Line, says he thought he was signing for us to make changes. > >2) artist types 2 email addresses on Business Card and got 1 wrong, >secretary of customer can't understand how artist can screw up 1 of >2 lines, admits she screwed up checking those 2 lines and approved >and signed but feels they should not have to pay even a portion. > > >The 2nd job would not likely have got past our inhouse proofing but >staff shortages and job rush meant artist had to print without a >additional inhouse proof. > >I need a better Proof Aproved stamp. > >Ken Graham >CommunityPrinters.com >Dawson Creek BC >V1G 2G5 > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2640 (20071106) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From mail at myprinter.biz Tue Nov 6 10:53:00 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Tue Nov 6 10:53:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ken - This has been discussed previously, and there were differing opinions. The same is true now. Others think that if a client gives you to text correctly and you make an error in setting it, it's your fault. I disagree: I believe that the concept of "a proof" is meaningful and that conveying the responsibility to the person proofing is very helpful in controlling losses due to inevitable errors. I have the same attitude that my vendors have with me: When the forms houses we use sets a form for one of our customers, they provide us with a proof, and if we okay that proof with their typos, they expect us to pay for the completed job, as I believe that they should. Exactly the same thing's true on large 4-color jobs that we send out. Please understand that we're not (usually) stupid enough to make our good clients "eat" that type of error - or even those they make without our participation - but it is where I want us to start, because if we convince our clients that they don't have to proof at all - because we'll reprint for free if they don't - I'm certain they'll be less attentive (wouldn't you be?), there'll be more "oops, I didn't catch that until it was too late," and the losses due to re-dos will mount. There is no stamp - or anything else - that will make your clients (or ours) think, but I can virtually guarantee that they'll stop - and stop proofing carefully - if you convince them that they don't have to. Our stamp reads (with the alternatives stacked): [ ] 100% okay as is [ ] Okay with minor changes [ ] Not okay. Correct & resubmit. ...and has a sign-off/date line below the stack. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of k_graham@hotmail.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 10:30 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Needed ideas for proof stamp that will make a client think. Gee if I sign this I actually have to pay even if the typesetter made a mistake. ie. Graphics & Typests make errors, if you don't catch them you pay for print job with errors & redo if desired Approved as is____________________________ Bad week, 2 signed print jobs 1) the customer came back after picking up forms, says he wanted another Tax Line, says he thought he was signing for us to make changes. 2) artist types 2 email addresses on Business Card and got 1 wrong, secretary of customer can't understand how artist can screw up 1 of 2 lines, admits she screwed up checking those 2 lines and approved and signed but feels they should not have to pay even a portion. The 2nd job would not likely have got past our inhouse proofing but staff shortages and job rush meant artist had to print without a additional inhouse proof. I need a better Proof Aproved stamp. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jodib at blackfoot.net Tue Nov 6 11:33:13 2007 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Tue Nov 6 11:34:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording References: <041b01c81ff1$9fad1900$17fea8c0@Steveh> Message-ID: <001101c82092$b9f47960$0101a8c0@desktoppbl> We have a stamp for customers who stop in to see their proofs...... (red ink!) Customer Assumes responsibility for errors after this point. OK TO PRINT (there is a check box before the OK TO PRINT) X (signed) date Est. due date of _____________________ is based on your return of approved proof. A delay in the proof approval may result in a rescheduled due date. I'll also fax you our Fax Approval Sheet. Kinda lengthy, but our customers have gotten use to it. hope this helps Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing Missoula, Montana jodib@blackfoot.net 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:29 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Needed ideas for proof stamp that will make a client think. Gee if I sign > this I actually have to pay even if the typesetter made a mistake. > > ie. > > Graphics & Typests make errors, if you don't catch them > you pay for print job with errors & redo if desired > > Approved as is____________________________ > > > > > Bad week, 2 signed print jobs > > 1) the customer came back after picking up forms, says he wanted another > Tax Line, says he thought he was signing for us to make changes. > > 2) artist types 2 email addresses on Business Card and got 1 wrong, > secretary of customer can't understand how artist can screw up 1 of 2 > lines, admits she screwed up checking those 2 lines and approved and > signed but feels they should not have to pay even a portion. > > > The 2nd job would not likely have got past our inhouse proofing but staff > shortages and job rush meant artist had to print without a additional > inhouse proof. > > I need a better Proof Aproved stamp. > > Ken Graham > CommunityPrinters.com > Dawson Creek BC > V1G 2G5 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From jodib at blackfoot.net Tue Nov 6 11:39:23 2007 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Tue Nov 6 11:40:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording References: <041b01c81ff1$9fad1900$17fea8c0@Steveh> Message-ID: <001401c82093$9695f330$0101a8c0@desktoppbl> P.S. We also have a policy that can be discussed immediately with the customer when they pick up order and go OOppss! We offer to redo the job, when it is clearly customer error at 50% off.... most of my customers readily admit it was partially their error, but now my staff is better prepared to immediately deal with it. I then can make a decision if we want to just cover minimal costs for the job..... of course, if they are a BIG customer, we just redo it. PS...send me your fax and I'll send that proof cover sheet along Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing Missoula, Montana jodib@blackfoot.net 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:29 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Needed ideas for proof stamp that will make a client think. Gee if I sign > this I actually have to pay even if the typesetter made a mistake. > > ie. > > Graphics & Typests make errors, if you don't catch them > you pay for print job with errors & redo if desired > > Approved as is____________________________ > > > > > Bad week, 2 signed print jobs > > 1) the customer came back after picking up forms, says he wanted another > Tax Line, says he thought he was signing for us to make changes. > > 2) artist types 2 email addresses on Business Card and got 1 wrong, > secretary of customer can't understand how artist can screw up 1 of 2 > lines, admits she screwed up checking those 2 lines and approved and > signed but feels they should not have to pay even a portion. > > > The 2nd job would not likely have got past our inhouse proofing but staff > shortages and job rush meant artist had to print without a additional > inhouse proof. > > I need a better Proof Aproved stamp. > > Ken Graham > CommunityPrinters.com > Dawson Creek BC > V1G 2G5 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From priorityprinting at comcast.net Tue Nov 6 11:51:14 2007 From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net) Date: Tue Nov 6 11:52:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Table Tent/Table Topper Message-ID: <110620071651.23671.47309B8200040EB000005C7722070209530902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> I am looking for a table topper that is four sided. Everything I have found is either two or three sided. I have a restaurant that needs a small quantity printed. They are looking for something unique. A food themed die cut could also be used. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 810 487-1700 From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 12:12:03 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Nov 6 12:12:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Table Tent/Table Topper In-Reply-To: <110620071651.23671.47309B8200040EB000005C7722070209530902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> References: <110620071651.23671.47309B8200040EB000005C7722070209530902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0711060912x21f3d7d0uf9aea3b59eda65e0@mail.gmail.com> On Nov 6, 2007 11:51 AM, wrote: > > I am looking for a table topper that is four sided. > Any suggestions would be appreciated. A sheet of light card stock scored in three places, then shaped into a four-sided column. Make one end panel about an inch longer to secure with double-sided tape -- we use transfer tape, or Kleen-stik (an 8.5 x 15" sheet, for example, scored/folded across the short dimension, would yield a 3.5x8.5" four-sided column + a 1-inch tab). Easily embellished, too, with die-cutting one edge into a shape. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From DanF at MMSNY.com Tue Nov 6 12:41:38 2007 From: DanF at MMSNY.com (Dan Flatt) Date: Tue Nov 6 12:37:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Presstek Message-ID: Roger, We have a 3404E DI with the PDS-E feedback loop scanner and we love it. We made a special room for it with insulated walls and ceiling and put in a dedicated air conditioner with humidity control (runs heat and air at same time if needed) and a mister to add moisture. All of this added around $30,000 to the price but it runs like a top. If you can afford it and you have the business, I would get the version with 4 lasers as it images and cleans in 12 minutes. Ours takes 19 minutes. The PDS-E is around $35k if I remember right but it is worth every penny as we use color management and run to densities that give our 300lpi a mush better appearance than SWOP. Feel free to call me if you want to discuss further. Dan Flatt vp/ owner Multi Media Services 11136-40 River Road Corning, NY 14830 main 607-936-3186 CELL 607-331-7217 PLEASE CALL MY CELL FIRST! Fax 877-684-3043 www.mmsny.com Isn't it time that you had a business printer printing for your business? Other contacts: Rick Bartholomew owner 607-769-8111 Luanne Wheeler AR/AP Dick Shelford Sunset Operations 607-331-5775 Patty Carlson Strategic accounts 607-331-5314 Suzie Bartholomew Strategic accounts 607-331-5314 Dave Satterly IR operations 570-882-0485 Ralph Begeal CSR 607-331-5572 Steve Mullen CSR 607-936-3186 Margaret Puffer CSR / mailing 607-936-3186 Rose Flatt Design 607-331-1555 Emily Colletta Design 607-331-7068 Judy Pruyne Design 607-331-5963 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Roger Hutson Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:36 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Presstek ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are getting rid of our 4 color Solna and our 2 color Hamada and possibly getting a Presstek 34DI, I wondered if anyone has any comments, preferably from an owner or operator, good or bad. Roger in NC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From Minmandon at aol.com Tue Nov 6 13:13:49 2007 From: Minmandon at aol.com (Minmandon@aol.com) Date: Tue Nov 6 13:14:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording Message-ID: In a message dated 11/5/2007 10:59:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, armand@curryonline.com writes: Why should your customer pay for a mistake your graphics person/typesetter made? If your customer gave you the information correct and your staff typed it wrong, the problem is yours, not your customer's. You should reprint it at no cost to the customer. Armand, Is it safe to assume that you do not bother providing proofs to customers? Don Carney Minuteman Press Deerfield 954 421-9904 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From ray at capitol-copy.com Tue Nov 6 13:14:40 2007 From: ray at capitol-copy.com (Ray Sziber) Date: Tue Nov 6 13:15:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Xerox Seminars In-Reply-To: <20071031204917.B14C5C3D624@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <000901c820a0$e66e3ea0$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> Has anyone attended one the Xerox-sponsored seminars on digital print? If so, was it worthwhile? Thanks in advance for any comments. Here are the speakers for the 11-28-07 program in NYC. Gavin Jordan-Smith Vice President, Commercial Print and Pre-Press Segments Worldwide Graphic Communications Industry Business Xerox Corporation Peter Muir President Bizucate Inc Larry Zusman Manager, Worldwide Marketing XMPie Business Unit Xerox Corporation Purpose of the seminar: . Markets of Opportunity In Digital Printing . Effective Sales Planning in 2008 . Implementing Digital Print Selling Strategies and Tactics . Building a Profitable Future With Variable Data and Cross Media Solutions Ray Sziber Capitol Copy Service 116 West State Street Trenton NJ 08608 Ph 609-989-8776 Fx609-989-9570 www.Capitol-Copy.com Now Offering Large Format Printing! verkin tala From mark at newprinting.com Tue Nov 6 13:31:06 2007 From: mark at newprinting.com (Mark Weinfurter) Date: Tue Nov 6 13:31:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Wanted - short proof stamp wording In-Reply-To: <20071106170003.4F13DC5D5DF@rb.enter.net> References: <20071106170003.4F13DC5D5DF@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <9db98bd95c38455e50bc70d1a07f3592@newprinting.com> I actually have a proof stamp that the customer needs to sign that they are giving me a verbal ok. I would use this for only the most difficult customers. Thanks, Mark Weinfurter N. E. W. Printing 1718 E. Wisconsin Ave. Appleton, WI 54911 1-888-563-0400 Fax 920-735-9945 www.newprinting.com mark@newprinting.com 'A very cool web site...www.newprinting.com' From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 13:43:28 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Nov 6 13:44:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0711061043t4f7d1c20ubc3c0a4843bf1c32@mail.gmail.com> > Armand, > Is it safe to assume that you do not bother providing proofs to customers? > Don Carney I'm going to take a stab at that, though I'm sure Armand will speak for himself. I'll bet that, yes, Armand provides proofs to his customers. I'll bet Armand knows how to think, and uses this ability. I'll bet Armand realizes that customers can walk if not treated well and fairly. I'll bet Armand is empathetic and can put himself in his customers' shoes. I'll bet Armand understands the subjectivity of this issue, and how easy it is to win a batlle and lose the war. I'll bet Arnold recognizes the ramifications of trying to make his customers pay for Armand's (employees') mistakes and how he would feel and react if the tables were turned. This is not a subject requiring endless discussion. You have something in writing. You make sure customers understand it. You don't expect customers to catch your employees' careless errors. You take responsibility for your staff's professionalism. You have a customer-friendly policy that gives the customer the benefit of the doubt. You protect yourself by understanding the need for proactive communication. You win most; you lose a few, but rarely in the lonf run. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From sos at olympus.net Tue Nov 6 13:51:34 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Nov 6 13:52:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording References: <98f5b19a0711061043t4f7d1c20ubc3c0a4843bf1c32@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00c101c820a6$0e2317e0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> I just reprinted a set of business cards yesterday. We had done them almost a year ago. Yes they were proof read and oked. But finally this gal, a teller at a bank, noticed her phone extention was wrong. Were we given it wrong, did we type it wrong, who knows, it's just quicker and easier to fix it, present it as a gift (they are a pretty good customer) and get on with it. But it is amazing how many people will sign off on a proof they have never really read. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From prtquick at eos.net Tue Nov 6 14:19:23 2007 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Tue Nov 6 14:20:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording In-Reply-To: <00c101c820a6$0e2317e0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <98f5b19a0711061043t4f7d1c20ubc3c0a4843bf1c32@mail.gmail.com> <00c101c820a6$0e2317e0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <3e4384e8fe167a8e21fb2b2d87d735e9@eos.net> Ours just says: This is your proof. Please inspect it carefully. - Approved - Please submit second proof w/ changes We cannot proceed with your project until we receive your approval. No threats or boiler plate. Sometimes we eat re-dos, sometimes the customer does. Always depends on the situation. Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit us in our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing On Nov 6, 2007, at 1:51 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I just reprinted a set of business cards yesterday. We had done them > almost a year ago. Yes they were proof read and oked. But finally > this gal, a teller at a bank, noticed her phone extention was wrong. > > Were we given it wrong, did we type it wrong, who knows, it's just > quicker and easier to fix it, present it as a gift (they are a pretty > good customer) and get on with it. > > But it is amazing how many people will sign off on a proof they have > never really read. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Tue Nov 6 14:44:53 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Tue Nov 6 14:45:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording Message-ID: We've had a sign off on one particular order for 5000 4/4 #80 coated menus. On our stamp it says check for company name address tele #'s typo's & prices etc.... Customer had three proofs & three sign off's. Of course once order was delivered there was a mistake with the telephone number. Since he was a popular deli we offered to re-print it at my cost. Bad news travels like a plague! Unfortunately, our relationship with their employees was very strong, strong enough that even after we reprinted, they though it was funny to make fun of us in front of their customer's. We no longer do work for them. Just out of "GP"! What I'm saying is that no matter what happens & you had the correct info before printing order, you should still be responsible & re-print it. Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From nt at andrewsblueprint.com Tue Nov 6 14:50:57 2007 From: nt at andrewsblueprint.com (Nancy Thomsen) Date: Tue Nov 6 14:51:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 20 lb Paper on KM 6500 In-Reply-To: <041b01c81ff1$9fad1900$17fea8c0@Steveh> References: <041b01c81ff1$9fad1900$17fea8c0@Steveh> Message-ID: <20071106195124.164F3C5DF25@rb.enter.net> We run tons of 20# through our KM C6500. It doesn't jam. I suggest you call for service. We couldn't use drawer 3 for awhile because it always jammed. The tech. replaced some parts and now... no jams. Nancy Nancy Thomsen Andrews Blueprint, Inc 269 Griffin St. Salinas, CA 93901 Phone: (831) 424-0331 www.andrewsblueprint.com At 01:20 PM 11/5/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We have a client who needs all their manuals printed on 20# >paper. The problem is that our KM 6500 does not like it very much >and we experience a lot of jams. We are using Hammermil DP. Can >anyone recommend a better running sheet for this machine? > > >Best Regards, > >Steve Hitner From mail at myprinter.biz Tue Nov 6 15:23:29 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Tue Nov 6 15:24:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0711061043t4f7d1c20ubc3c0a4843bf1c32@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You don't expect customers to catch your employees' careless errors. You take responsibility for your staff's professionalism. You have a customer-friendly policy that gives the customer the benefit of the doubt. You protect yourself by understanding the need for proactive communication. You win most; you lose a few, but rarely in the lonf run. Michael Vogel Michael - While we agree about most things (god help you), it's more than a little draconian (not to mention contra-productive and dead wrong) to assume that all employees' errors are careless ones. If I held myself to that same standard, I'd have become so depressed by my ineptitude that I'd have committed suicide long ago (okay, stop applauding: you know who you are). The only way one can expect employees (or yourself) to be error-free is via 100% inactivity, the likelihood of human error is a multiplicative function of the level of human activity, and I want my humans to be very busy. Mistakes happen, and employees that cower in fear aren't the most productive. The question of who's responsible for final content isn't one of either professionalism or being customer-friendly. If the former were rue, you'd have to consider every one of my buyout vendors (many of which have been pleasing customers like me for far longer than either of us have been in business) as unprofessional - and I'm guessing that's true for most, if not all, of your buyout vendors, too. And if the latter were true, I'd be considering every one of my buyout vendors to be other than customer-friendly, which I certainly don't, and my customers would have been leaving me in droves, which is diametrically opposed to reality: We're thriving and growing with no sales effort because customer service is our business - it just happens to be taking place in the printing industry. Neither you nor I are either unprofessional or other than customer-friendly, and neither you nor I are dumb enough to make a valuable client eat an error, whether our respective employees contributed to that error or not. The question here is to what entity each of us believes primary responsibility for okaying final copy to be produced belongs, not whether we're going to be inflexible. Reasonable people can differ on this matter, and the question of why one would bother to offer a proof if it wasn't the recipient's job to "proof" the "proof" seems valid to me. Appropriately, we just received a proof approval form from a large forms house for a job we recently submitted. The bottom of it reads, in part, "YOUR SIGNATURE MAKES YOU [underlined] LIABLE FOR ANY REPRINT COSTS IF AN ERROR IS FOUND AFTER PRODUCTION" - which is followed by a spot for a signature and date, along with boxes to check in front of "PROOF OK AS IS," "PROOF OK WITH CHANGES," and "NOTE CHANGES ADDITIONAL PROOF REQUIRED." This vendor is both entirely professional and extremely customer-friendly. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 1:43 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > Armand, > Is it safe to assume that you do not bother providing proofs to customers? > Don Carney I'm going to take a stab at that, though I'm sure Armand will speak for himself. I'll bet that, yes, Armand provides proofs to his customers. I'll bet Armand knows how to think, and uses this ability. I'll bet Armand realizes that customers can walk if not treated well and fairly. I'll bet Armand is empathetic and can put himself in his customers' shoes. I'll bet Armand understands the subjectivity of this issue, and how easy it is to win a batlle and lose the war. I'll bet Arnold recognizes the ramifications of trying to make his customers pay for Armand's (employees') mistakes and how he would feel and react if the tables were turned. This is not a subject requiring endless discussion. You have something in writing. You make sure customers understand it. You don't expect customers to catch your employees' careless errors. You take responsibility for your staff's professionalism. You have a customer-friendly policy that gives the customer the benefit of the doubt. You protect yourself by understanding the need for proactive communication. You win most; you lose a few, but rarely in the lonf run. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From armand at curryonline.com Tue Nov 6 15:44:31 2007 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Tue Nov 6 15:44:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0711061043t4f7d1c20ubc3c0a4843bf1c32@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0711061043t4f7d1c20ubc3c0a4843bf1c32@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <02da01c820b5$d550f080$7ff2d180$@com> Michael knows me well :) Yes, I do provide proofs and we are extremely grateful when a client catches a mistake we make. But if they don't catch it, and the error is ours, we reprint at no charge to the client. Very simple concept. We screw up, we pay. What amazes me is how so few business owners (not just printing companies but all businesses in general) do not understand the concept of Lifetime Value of a Customer. You get a customer angry over some little piddly silly ass policy and they walk. You will no longer get any of their business. But, if you treat your customers well, they will continue to bring you business. Even if you have to eat a $500 job, how much is that customer worth over the next 5, 10, 20 years? I live only 20 miles from LL Bean (one of the few good things about living in Maine). I watch how well they treat their customers. There have been a couple of time I was not happy with the products I purchased at the store. I returned them with no questions asked, even after having owned them for almost year. I've spent a lot more money there than the money they lost on the couple of items I returned. No wonder they are so profitable. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 1:43 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > Armand, > Is it safe to assume that you do not bother providing proofs to customers? > Don Carney I'm going to take a stab at that, though I'm sure Armand will speak for himself. I'll bet that, yes, Armand provides proofs to his customers. I'll bet Armand knows how to think, and uses this ability. I'll bet Armand realizes that customers can walk if not treated well and fairly. I'll bet Armand is empathetic and can put himself in his customers' shoes. I'll bet Armand understands the subjectivity of this issue, and how easy it is to win a batlle and lose the war. I'll bet Arnold recognizes the ramifications of trying to make his customers pay for Armand's (employees') mistakes and how he would feel and react if the tables were turned. This is not a subject requiring endless discussion. You have something in writing. You make sure customers understand it. You don't expect customers to catch your employees' careless errors. You take responsibility for your staff's professionalism. You have a customer-friendly policy that gives the customer the benefit of the doubt. You protect yourself by understanding the need for proactive communication. You win most; you lose a few, but rarely in the lonf run. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From pica18 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 6 15:51:46 2007 From: pica18 at hotmail.com (s polk) Date: Tue Nov 6 15:52:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Engraving In-Reply-To: <015501c81ff8$b7a08540$fb01a8c0@pp.lan> References: <015501c81ff8$b7a08540$fb01a8c0@pp.lan> Message-ID: Thanks for all the leads for the engravers. We are in good shape I think. Steve McKinsey Printing Tryon, NC _________________________________________________________________ Boo!?Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailnews From slb at inkspot.net Tue Nov 6 15:58:49 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Nov 6 15:59:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording In-Reply-To: <200711061503.lA6F3o04038102@i2bnetworks.com> References: Message-ID: <47308F39.25568.659954A@slb.inkspot.net> I heard it here on this list, and it so effectively captures the way we do business that it's part of our employee training: Our customers are not the quality control for our typesetting department. If we create an error, we are responsible. If we faithfully reproduce exactly what our customer ordered, and it contains an error, they are responsible. (This almost invariably is only applied when the error is something we can't check--a new phone number, a name, etc. We spell-check, and we check against other information we have for the customer routinely.) That said, this only works because we proofread EVERYTHING very carefully internally, before the customer ever sees the proof. JMO, Steve > > > Ken, get real man. > > This is a fast track to destroying trust, and thus toasting a relationship. > > You're employee screws up, you fix it....and, if happens enough, > whether you fix for free or not, eventually you're client will leave > > S. > > > > > > At 07:29 PM 11/5/2007, you wrote: > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >Needed ideas for proof stamp that will make a client think. Gee if I > >sign this I actually have to pay even if the typesetter made a mistake. > > > >ie. > > > >Graphics & Typests make errors, if you don't catch them > >you pay for print job with errors & redo if desired > > > >Approved as is____________________________ > > > > > > > > > >Bad week, 2 signed print jobs > > > >1) the customer came back after picking up forms, says he wanted > >another Tax Line, says he thought he was signing for us to make changes. > > > >2) artist types 2 email addresses on Business Card and got 1 wrong, > >secretary of customer can't understand how artist can screw up 1 of > >2 lines, admits she screwed up checking those 2 lines and approved > >and signed but feels they should not have to pay even a portion. > > > > > >The 2nd job would not likely have got past our inhouse proofing but > >staff shortages and job rush meant artist had to print without a > >additional inhouse proof. > > > >I need a better Proof Aproved stamp. > > > >Ken Graham > >CommunityPrinters.com > >Dawson Creek BC > >V1G 2G5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > >__________ NOD32 2640 (20071106) Information __________ > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >http://www.eset.com > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2641 (20071106) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Tue Nov 6 16:07:46 2007 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Wendt) Date: Tue Nov 6 16:08:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Calendar Hanger Message-ID: I am hoping those of you who do large format can help me out here. I have a customer who is going to make a 24" x 30" calendar and is looking for the narrow metal strips that can be attached (clamped?) to the top (with a hanging loop) and bottom. I think I know what he is talking about and I have searched my sign and banner making catalogs without success. Any thoughts on a vendor for such an item? Thanks in advance. Cyndy -- Cyndy Wendt President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 From keli at parchmentpress.net Tue Nov 6 16:17:04 2007 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Tue Nov 6 16:17:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 2008 Calendar Promo file wanted Message-ID: <4730D9D0.40804@parchmentpress.net> Greetings, Just wondering .. Does anyone have a pdf file or indesign layout for 2008 Calendar for promos? Like Rackcards size.. or postcard size? If so could someone send to me please.... thanks, Keli Parchment Press Coxsackie, NY 12051 From mail at myprinter.biz Tue Nov 6 16:19:41 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Tue Nov 6 16:19:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording In-Reply-To: <02da01c820b5$d550f080$7ff2d180$@com> Message-ID: What amazes me is how so few business owners (not just printing companies but all businesses in general) do not understand the concept of Lifetime Value of a Customer. You get a customer angry over some little piddly silly ass policy and they walk. You will no longer get any of their business. But, if you treat your customers well, they will continue to bring you business. Even if you have to eat a $500 job, how much is that customer worth over the next 5, 10, 20 years? Armand Armand - You're continuing to make this an either-or situation and assuming that those that differ with you - which includes this firm and every single buyout vendor we use - don't understand the value of customer retention and are perfectly willing to lose customers over little or nothing...and you're simply incorrect in that regard. We "eat" customer's errors, including those to which we contributed nothing, when we think it's in our long-term interests to do so, and we still present proofs to clients and tell them that they're primarily responsible for "proofing" the "proof." Parenthetically, what you're referring to as "some little piddly silly ass policy" - the one that makes the customer responsible for proofing - is one that's been adopted by every single buyout vendor we use, which doesn't make them "right" and you "wrong"...or vice versa. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Armand Girard Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:45 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Michael knows me well :) Yes, I do provide proofs and we are extremely grateful when a client catches a mistake we make. But if they don't catch it, and the error is ours, we reprint at no charge to the client. Very simple concept. We screw up, we pay. What amazes me is how so few business owners (not just printing companies but all businesses in general) do not understand the concept of Lifetime Value of a Customer. You get a customer angry over some little piddly silly ass policy and they walk. You will no longer get any of their business. But, if you treat your customers well, they will continue to bring you business. Even if you have to eat a $500 job, how much is that customer worth over the next 5, 10, 20 years? I live only 20 miles from LL Bean (one of the few good things about living in Maine). I watch how well they treat their customers. There have been a couple of time I was not happy with the products I purchased at the store. I returned them with no questions asked, even after having owned them for almost year. I've spent a lot more money there than the money they lost on the couple of items I returned. No wonder they are so profitable. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 1:43 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > Armand, > Is it safe to assume that you do not bother providing proofs to customers? > Don Carney I'm going to take a stab at that, though I'm sure Armand will speak for himself. I'll bet that, yes, Armand provides proofs to his customers. I'll bet Armand knows how to think, and uses this ability. I'll bet Armand realizes that customers can walk if not treated well and fairly. I'll bet Armand is empathetic and can put himself in his customers' shoes. I'll bet Armand understands the subjectivity of this issue, and how easy it is to win a batlle and lose the war. I'll bet Arnold recognizes the ramifications of trying to make his customers pay for Armand's (employees') mistakes and how he would feel and react if the tables were turned. This is not a subject requiring endless discussion. You have something in writing. You make sure customers understand it. You don't expect customers to catch your employees' careless errors. You take responsibility for your staff's professionalism. You have a customer-friendly policy that gives the customer the benefit of the doubt. You protect yourself by understanding the need for proactive communication. You win most; you lose a few, but rarely in the lonf run. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From zapit at zapcolor.com Tue Nov 6 16:17:28 2007 From: zapit at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez) Date: Tue Nov 6 16:22:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon scan to pdf In-Reply-To: <20071106192026.751DFC5DD9C@rb.enter.net> References: <20071106192026.751DFC5DD9C@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <8B5D8B54-E479-4D06-9733-BC6F304FDD6B@zapcolor.com> We have a 105 and 550 and need to scan back to a pdf. I'm pretty sure it only works on the pc side, but the software I have is pretty old. Is the 105 compatible with what scan software and which version of Acrobat? Thanks > Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com From sos at olympus.net Tue Nov 6 16:23:07 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Nov 6 16:24:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Calendar Hanger References: Message-ID: <010f01c820bb$3a066550$0300a8c0@DANIEL> > Any thoughts on a vendor for such an item? ================= That's called calendar tinning and there should be a trade bindery somewhere near by that does this. We did a run of 1,000 last year and it was about $900 for the tinning. Surprised me it was that much. If you're talking about a one off thing, good luck. I'd think someone who does large format display work would have a way of hanging things. That help? Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From armand at curryonline.com Tue Nov 6 16:43:31 2007 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Tue Nov 6 16:43:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording In-Reply-To: References: <02da01c820b5$d550f080$7ff2d180$@com> Message-ID: <031701c820be$136b18c0$3a414a40$@com> Dan, Note what I said: "What amazes me is how so few business owners" Notice I said so FEW business owners. There are some that understand the concept of Lifetime Value but so many more don't. As for the "every single buyout vendor we use" having a proof policy that makes you responsible for reprinting an error you didn't catch doesn't make them right. The simple fact of the matter is if you screw up, you should eat it. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 4:20 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** What amazes me is how so few business owners (not just printing companies but all businesses in general) do not understand the concept of Lifetime Value of a Customer. You get a customer angry over some little piddly silly ass policy and they walk. You will no longer get any of their business. But, if you treat your customers well, they will continue to bring you business. Even if you have to eat a $500 job, how much is that customer worth over the next 5, 10, 20 years? Armand Armand - You're continuing to make this an either-or situation and assuming that those that differ with you - which includes this firm and every single buyout vendor we use - don't understand the value of customer retention and are perfectly willing to lose customers over little or nothing...and you're simply incorrect in that regard. We "eat" customer's errors, including those to which we contributed nothing, when we think it's in our long-term interests to do so, and we still present proofs to clients and tell them that they're primarily responsible for "proofing" the "proof." Parenthetically, what you're referring to as "some little piddly silly ass policy" - the one that makes the customer responsible for proofing - is one that's been adopted by every single buyout vendor we use, which doesn't make them "right" and you "wrong"...or vice versa. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Armand Girard Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:45 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Michael knows me well :) Yes, I do provide proofs and we are extremely grateful when a client catches a mistake we make. But if they don't catch it, and the error is ours, we reprint at no charge to the client. Very simple concept. We screw up, we pay. What amazes me is how so few business owners (not just printing companies but all businesses in general) do not understand the concept of Lifetime Value of a Customer. You get a customer angry over some little piddly silly ass policy and they walk. You will no longer get any of their business. But, if you treat your customers well, they will continue to bring you business. Even if you have to eat a $500 job, how much is that customer worth over the next 5, 10, 20 years? I live only 20 miles from LL Bean (one of the few good things about living in Maine). I watch how well they treat their customers. There have been a couple of time I was not happy with the products I purchased at the store. I returned them with no questions asked, even after having owned them for almost year. I've spent a lot more money there than the money they lost on the couple of items I returned. No wonder they are so profitable. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 1:43 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > Armand, > Is it safe to assume that you do not bother providing proofs to customers? > Don Carney I'm going to take a stab at that, though I'm sure Armand will speak for himself. I'll bet that, yes, Armand provides proofs to his customers. I'll bet Armand knows how to think, and uses this ability. I'll bet Armand realizes that customers can walk if not treated well and fairly. I'll bet Armand is empathetic and can put himself in his customers' shoes. I'll bet Armand understands the subjectivity of this issue, and how easy it is to win a batlle and lose the war. I'll bet Arnold recognizes the ramifications of trying to make his customers pay for Armand's (employees') mistakes and how he would feel and react if the tables were turned. This is not a subject requiring endless discussion. You have something in writing. You make sure customers understand it. You don't expect customers to catch your employees' careless errors. You take responsibility for your staff's professionalism. You have a customer-friendly policy that gives the customer the benefit of the doubt. You protect yourself by understanding the need for proactive communication. You win most; you lose a few, but rarely in the lonf run. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From tstrickland at studiodesignsprinting.com Tue Nov 6 16:56:12 2007 From: tstrickland at studiodesignsprinting.com (tstrickland@studiodesignsprinting.com) Date: Tue Nov 6 16:56:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction References: <904819.13705.qm@web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00ce01c820bf$d949e480$0200a8c0@TravisComp> I have sent this information to my accountant. Has anyone actually been through this process and received these deductions? Travis Strickland Studio Designs Printing Milledgeville, GA 31061 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Gelletly To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I'll say. I just forwarded the link to the JOA article to my accountant for his take. Thanks guys. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Scott Cappel To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2007 9:08:37 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Outstanding Larry! Your post just saved us all a lot of dough. Had no idea.... Here's the English version so we can all understand a little better. http://tinyurl.com/2mvy89 Thanks buddy. S. At 01:33 PM 11/3/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >You may want to ask your CPA about this new deduction. 2006 was the >first year it was available. 2007 is coming to a close, and I >thought I'd pass it along in case you missed it last year. It >pertains to domestic mfg. > >It's a deduction of wages paid for things mfg in the US.....such as >printing. Sort of..... > >The IRS doesn't explain it very well, but...in their own strange >way...... they are promoting it heavily. Which is why you may not >have heard of it. > > > >Larry >DPP >Tucson >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2636 (20071103) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From tufelkinder at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 17:09:47 2007 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Tue Nov 6 17:10:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction In-Reply-To: <00ce01c820bf$d949e480$0200a8c0@TravisComp> References: <904819.13705.qm@web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00ce01c820bf$d949e480$0200a8c0@TravisComp> Message-ID: <84f70d5e0711061409h4da6315dmf2e5867360355810@mail.gmail.com> Apparently we did last year. It's a progressive thing during implementation until 2010? Not sure of the specifics, but something like that. Email me off-list for more information. Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA http://mercersburg.net 800-955-3902 tufelkinder@gmail.com -~ Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so. -- Bertrand Russell From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 17:43:20 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Nov 6 17:43:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon scan to pdf In-Reply-To: <8B5D8B54-E479-4D06-9733-BC6F304FDD6B@zapcolor.com> References: <20071106192026.751DFC5DD9C@rb.enter.net> <8B5D8B54-E479-4D06-9733-BC6F304FDD6B@zapcolor.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0711061443y4fc9631fod14cd7c3b7a5a6e9@mail.gmail.com> On Nov 6, 2007 4:17 PM, Eugene Montanez wrote: > > We have a 105 and 550 and need to scan back to a pdf. > I'm pretty sure it only works on the pc side, but the software I have > is pretty old. > Is the 105 compatible with what scan software and which version of > Acrobat? Canon's Netgear scanning utility will do what you want. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From dvmonto at optonline.net Tue Nov 6 17:45:20 2007 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Tue Nov 6 17:45:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Armand wrote: > Even if you have to eat a $500 job, how much is that customer worth over the > next 5, 10, 20 years? > > Armand > And if it is a $10,000 order? -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net www.sirspeedy.com/wappingersfalls "Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals and dying of nothing." ?Redd Foxx From andy at CedarBusinessCenter.com Tue Nov 6 17:51:49 2007 From: andy at CedarBusinessCenter.com (Andy Flamm) Date: Tue Nov 6 17:58:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction In-Reply-To: <84f70d5e0711061409h4da6315dmf2e5867360355810@mail.gmail.com> References: <904819.13705.qm@web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00ce01c820bf$d949e480$0200a8c0@TravisComp> <84f70d5e0711061409h4da6315dmf2e5867360355810@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I had a CPA friend look over my tax return before filing for '06 and he suggested this, saving me many times his fee (and convincing me not to just rely on Turbo Tax). However, I believe the deduction became available for '05; as I recall, I filed an amended return and got back a good chunk from that year, too. I believe you can file an amended return up to 3 years after filing, and it would be well worth it if you haven't taken this deduction for the past 2 years. (The form was not difficult; I did it myself.) Andy Flamm On 11/6/07, Walt wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Apparently we did last year. It's a progressive thing > during implementation until 2010? Not sure of the > specifics, but something like that. Email me off-list > for more information. > > > Walt > > Mercersburg Printing > Mercersburg, PA > http://mercersburg.net > 800-955-3902 > tufelkinder@gmail.com > > -~ > > Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so. > -- Bertrand Russell > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Cedar Business Center--Printing, Mailing & More Since 1983 345 Cedar Street, Suite 256 Saint Paul, Minnesota 55101 651-293-3904 voice 651-293-3905 fax andy@CedarBusinessCenter.com www.CedarBusinessCenter.com From slb at inkspot.net Tue Nov 6 18:08:20 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Nov 6 18:08:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording In-Reply-To: <031701c820be$136b18c0$3a414a40$@com> References: Message-ID: <4730AD94.5990.6D026A9@slb.inkspot.net> Actually, every buy-out vendor who's ever made a mistake on an order from us, has reprinted the job at no charge. Most of them have also been willing to "work with us" (share the pain) when it's been partially or entirely our fault. None of it has happened often, because: 1. we are truly anal about proofreading both the job and the order information 2. we write "special instructions" for every order that cover any question the vendor is likely to have (could be very simple, could be much less so, depending on the job) 3. we end the "special instructions" on EVERY ORDER with the phrase "please call with any questions" 4. we pay our bills promptly. In other words, we try to be the best customers we can be, while doing everything we can think of (short of travelling with the job) to be sure that they have every opportunity to produce exactly what we need. We occasionally have to eat a small l business card order or two when training a new employee, but we've never had to eat anything larger, and I hope we never do. YMMV, Steve > > Dan, > > Note what I said: > > "What amazes me is how so few business owners" Notice I said so FEW business > owners. There are some that understand the concept of Lifetime Value but so > many more don't. > > As for the "every single buyout vendor we use" having a proof policy that > makes you responsible for reprinting an error you didn't catch doesn't make > them right. The simple fact of the matter is if you screw up, you should eat > it. > > > > Armand Girard > Curry Printing & Mailing > 31 Mill St > Auburn, ME 04210 > > email: armand@curryonline.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 4:20 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > What amazes me is how so few business owners (not just printing companies > but all businesses in general) do not understand the concept of Lifetime > Value of a Customer. You get a customer angry over some little piddly silly > ass policy and they walk. You will no longer get any of their business. But, > if you treat your customers well, they will continue to bring you business. > Even if you have to eat a $500 job, how much is that customer worth over the > next 5, 10, 20 years? > > Armand > > > Armand - > > You're continuing to make this an either-or situation and assuming that > those that differ with you - which includes this firm and every single > buyout vendor we use - don't understand the value of customer retention and > are perfectly willing to lose customers over little or nothing...and you're > simply incorrect in that regard. > > We "eat" customer's errors, including those to which we contributed nothing, > when we think it's in our long-term interests to do so, and we still present > proofs to clients and tell them that they're primarily responsible for > "proofing" the "proof." > > Parenthetically, what you're referring to as "some little piddly silly ass > policy" - the one that makes the customer responsible for proofing - is one > that's been adopted by every single buyout vendor we use, which doesn't make > them "right" and you "wrong"...or vice versa. > > Dan > Sir Speedy Printing Center > 5845 Hollywood Boulevard > Hollywood, FL 33021 > tel. 954.962.1309 > fax 954.962.1366 > dan@myprinter.biz > www.myprinter.biz > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Armand Girard > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:45 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Michael knows me well :) > > Yes, I do provide proofs and we are extremely grateful when a client catches > a mistake we make. But if they don't catch it, and the error is ours, we > reprint at no charge to the client. Very simple concept. We screw up, we > pay. > > What amazes me is how so few business owners (not just printing companies > but all businesses in general) do not understand the concept of Lifetime > Value of a Customer. You get a customer angry over some little piddly silly > ass policy and they walk. You will no longer get any of their business. But, > if you treat your customers well, they will continue to bring you business. > Even if you have to eat a $500 job, how much is that customer worth over the > next 5, 10, 20 years? > > I live only 20 miles from LL Bean (one of the few good things about living > in Maine). I watch how well they treat their customers. There have been a > couple of time I was not happy with the products I purchased at the store. I > returned them with no questions asked, even after having owned them for > almost year. I've spent a lot more money there than the money they lost on > the couple of items I returned. No wonder they are so profitable. > > Armand Girard > Curry Printing & Mailing > 31 Mill St > Auburn, ME 04210 > > email: armand@curryonline.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 1:43 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Armand, > > Is it safe to assume that you do not bother providing proofs to > customers? > > Don Carney > > > I'm going to take a stab at that, though I'm sure Armand will speak for > himself. > > I'll bet that, yes, Armand provides proofs to his customers. I'll bet > Armand knows how to think, and uses this ability. I'll bet Armand > realizes that customers can walk if not treated well and fairly. I'll > bet Armand is empathetic and can put himself in his customers' shoes. > I'll bet Armand understands the subjectivity of this issue, and how > easy it is to win a batlle and lose the war. I'll bet Arnold > recognizes the ramifications of trying to make his customers pay for > Armand's (employees') mistakes and how he would feel and react if the > tables were turned. > > This is not a subject requiring endless discussion. You have something > in writing. You make sure customers understand it. You don't expect > customers to catch your employees' careless errors. You take > responsibility for your staff's professionalism. You have a > customer-friendly policy that gives the customer the benefit of the > doubt. You protect yourself by understanding the need for proactive > communication. You win most; you lose a few, but rarely in the lonf > run. > > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~ Lord Bacon > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2642 (20071106) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Tue Nov 6 18:15:41 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Tue Nov 6 18:17:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording In-Reply-To: References: <98f5b19a0711061043t4f7d1c20ubc3c0a4843bf1c32@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: OK, what do you do in this case? Customer brings in info to be typeset and graphics puts down an incorrect telephone number. Customer doesn't catch it. Who reprints? The printer (graphics mistake) or customer who didn't catch it? Are you saying the customer's mistake is more serious than your employee's so they have to pay to reprint? I'm with Armand, Scott and Michael. Reprint it if you want to keep the customer. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 From k_graham at hotmail.com Tue Nov 6 19:06:54 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (Ken Graham) Date: Tue Nov 6 19:07:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording In-Reply-To: <8BDBC692-6498-4414-AD1A-737736D2F83E@bfm.org> References: <041b01c81ff1$9fad1900$17fea8c0@Steveh> <98f5b19a0711052005s79792bd6q4dfe325ce8f81a33@mail.gmail.com> <8BDBC692-6498-4414-AD1A-737736D2F83E@bfm.org> Message-ID: Thanks all; I most closely agree with Greg Weinfurter's position. In past we have not had the problem because "The Graphic Artist is not allowed to final proof his own work, but copiers and fewer employees in our 2nd store , plus "I want it now" is making this more difficult. In the interim I am requiring employees to get a Fax Artwork approval form signed - yes I also have used the is the phone number right to have customers recheck their work but I am not dealing with every customer. I need something quantifiable when something goes wrong - not the graphic artist verbal that he explained to the customer. The signed Fax Artwork approval has indicated they have checked the document and addresses, phone , Fax, email & web site addresses. When one of these has still slipped through we've quite often agreed to a reprint at 50% additional cost where we keep the defective goods. I prefer to start off with the question "Given the proof was signed, what do you think is fair in hopes the customer is reasonable?" In this case the customer thought $20.00 was fair on a $111.00 order and I agreed, less than 50% but more than 0 so they will also watch carefully and at a minimum will have signed a complete form and the proof in future. This will give them a better idea of proofing. Ken Grahamken@communityprinters.com , Dawson Creek BC Canada V1G 2G5250.782.7108 > CC: k_graham@hotmail.com> From: pressexpress@bfm.org> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:36:46 -0600> To: printowners@printweb.org> > I don't understand how you can take ALL responsibility for ALL > typo's. I have had people not know their own phone numbers much less > than to spell their own last name. Though we proof in house, it is > ultimately the customers responsibility to double check his/her > changes before we release it to press.> > In our early days, before computers, there were composition houses. > When they handed me a five dollar invoice for three lines of text, I > would put that on a 20,000 envelope order, and low and behold! > TYPO! The zip is wrong, or whatever. Do you think I could go back to > the composition house and ask them to pick up $300 in envelopes for > their 5 minute, five dollar typesetting charge? No way. That was > not their terms. We learned from this. We have always considered > typesetting a different department. In order for a job to be > released into press, the customer MUST sign off. Most everyone does > NOT have a problem with this and it gets the client to actually look > a bit closer at their piece. It has saved many unknown typo's > adopting this policy.> > Though, if a typo happens, we usually work with the client, it is > goodwill, that is a judgement call on a job by job , customer by > customer basis, but bottom line is it get the customer to take a > closer look at their piece, saving us from unnecessary reruns.> > Greg> > > On Nov 5, 2007, at 10:05 PM, Michael Vogel wrote:> > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****> >> > On 11/5/07, k_graham@hotmail.com wrote:> >>> >> Needed ideas for proof stamp that will make a client think. Gee if > >> I sign> >> this I actually have to pay even if the typesetter made a mistake.> >>> >> Graphics & Typests make errors, if you don't catch them> >> you pay for print job with errors & redo if desired> >> > Proofreading is not a word game on a diner placemat. I would be very> > put-off if handed that wording and asked to sign my approval. You're> > saying " it's quite likely that my employees have screwed this up, but> > it's up to you to find their errors." More common proof wording> > conveys the same meaning in a less antagonistic in-your-face way.> >> >> >> 2) artist types 2 email addresses on Business Card and got 1 wrong,> >> secretary of customer can't understand how artist can screw up 1 > >> of 2 lines,> >> admits she screwed up checking those 2 lines and approved and > >> signed but> >> feels they should not have to pay even a portion.> >>> >> The 2nd job would not likely have got past our inhouse proofing > >> but staff> >> shortages and job rush meant artist had to print without a additional> >> inhouse proof.> >> > It's hard to imagine that I would not reprint, at my expense, in the> > above case. There's so little text to proofread on a business card; an> > error like this is hard to justify, even harder to justify penalizing> > the customer for.> >> > A simple procedural adjustment might be all you need. When handing the> > proof form and proof to the customer, verbalize what you expect them> > to do, what they need to check, and that their signature is their> > approval to print as is. This should be all it takes to end the> > problem of the cursory once-over look, and "yeah, that looks great"> > approval that inexperienced print-buyers commonly proffer. We actually> > ask them to read the proof form before proofreading, so they are> > informed of what is expected of them. Two truths: (1) This works. (2)> > There will be exceptions.> >> >> > -- > > Michael Vogel> > Sir Speedy Printing> > 9 Research Drive> > Milford, CT 06460> > tel 203-877-1231> > fax 203-878-2679> > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com> > www.eSirSpeedy.com> >> > ====================================> > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to> > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider.> > ~ Lord Bacon> > _______________________________________________> > PrintOwners Discussion List> > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org> > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners> > Greg Weinfurter> Press Express> 1869 N. Stevens St.> Rhinelander, WI 54501> Phone 715-362-2828> Fax 715-369-2828> info@pressexpress.org> > > > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with free Messenger emoticons. Get them today! http://www.freemessengeremoticons.ca/?icid=EMENCA122 From cpurvine1 at cox.net Tue Nov 6 20:57:04 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Tue Nov 6 20:57:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:Beware Trade Exchange of America In-Reply-To: <000001c8207c$3cced2c0$0400000a@CraigNotebook> References: <20071105193410.C5E73C59DC8@rb.enter.net> <000001c8207c$3cced2c0$0400000a@CraigNotebook> Message-ID: <011a01c820e1$7f069f50$6401a8c0@corapurvine> We also got our lawn sprinkler system and a well installed on trade. This works if you use it wisely and treat it like money. My bookkeeper doesn't have any problems with it either. We pay taxes on what we sell, etc. It works for us. We never pay cash for food anymore except for the 18% tip. I have noticed that some of the businesses that get into barter seem to be on the brink of going out of business. Some it helps and some it doesn't. I was worried about being swamped with trade orders, but there are several printers in our group and the businesses seem to just pass it around to us so none of us are overwhelmed. We belong to IMS now. They just recently took over the trade group that we have been in for the last several years. We don't know that much about this new group, but things seem to be going about the same as they were except now we have more options. We also belong to TradeBank. I have someone right now that is wanting to buy my old roll laminator that I don't use any more so as soon as I decide what I want for it, I will get back with them. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From beckywh1 at aol.com Tue Nov 6 21:25:08 2007 From: beckywh1 at aol.com (beckywh1@aol.com) Date: Tue Nov 6 21:25:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How did you get started in acquiring 4 color equipment In-Reply-To: <002201c81597$99ecff30$418c10ac@SMITHPRINT.local> References: <002201c81597$99ecff30$418c10ac@SMITHPRINT.local> Message-ID: <8C9EEFC8CDE74DE-17E8-46CC@mblk-d51.sysops.aol.com> Randy Four years ago we purchased a used, very good condition Ryobi 3302 to make the "jump" into 4 color. At the time, we were printing 2C on AB Dick 9910 (still have) and 9870 w/ T-head (gone). We knew we couldn't compete on everything -- we still used TRUE trade printers to do the majority of our work. But we did lots of custom invitations, oversized postcards and other projects for customers that were odd size, odd quantities, etc. And we produced our own 4C newsletter on it each month in order to get better and to market our capabilities. We do "pleasing" color and I am quite proud of our results. We don't do press proofs, we rarely work with designers, and our flesh tones are usually pretty darn good. We produced 4.27% of the 4C sales in house and brokered out 8.95% -- I track this separately in PrintSmith so that we can see how we compare. Adding the KM 6500 helped us to be competitive on short runs that used to go to a trade printer (4Over) and we are happy to be able to produce the work quickly and in house. Our customers love it, too. My goal is to have true 4C press by 2009. Four color is FUN! : ) Becky Whatley Quality Printing Riverside, CA -----Original Message----- From: Randy Smith To: 'PrintOwners' Sent: Tue, Oct 23 1:07 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] How did you get started in acquiring 4 color equipment ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I need your advice, we have been holding back on purchasing 4 color equipment. We are brokering our jobs to local printers, whom we thought would work with us on pricing. The truth is they charge us the same price as their own customers. Some have even contacted our customers and told them their doing our 4 color work. Not Good! So where did you start? Do you go from duplicators to a used true 2 color press or go right into a 4 color press? Are did you go from duplicators to a digital press? At what point do you start looking to buy or lease equipment that will handle your 4 color work? It seems to us that you go from a duplicator price of $50K to used 4 color equipment starting at $150K, then the additional cost of a plate setter at $50K. Thanks for your feed back, Randy Smith Smith Printing Co. Leeds, AL 35094 Office: 205.699.2284 Fax: 205.699.8660 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From braddpotter at juno.com Wed Nov 7 02:02:39 2007 From: braddpotter at juno.com (Brad Potter) Date: Wed Nov 7 02:04:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Catching customers errors. (proofing) Message-ID: <20071106.230239.19934.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> All this talk about errors and who is at fault reminds me of one of our best saves. The local school district had a meeting, and wanted to change their Mission Statement. For Business cards, letterheads and such. "Nurturing students, inspiring achievement blah blah blather blather on. It went thru MANY proof stages and was ready to print. This was THEIR art, a school district remember. We were having file and font conversion issues, not proofing issues. When WE noticed that they were really NEUTERING students. When we called them, we could see the blood drain from their collective faces even over the phone. We offered to destroy everything proof wise. Like signed proofs. Really wish we had kept a copy. brad Printing Services somewhere in Washington State. From priorityprinting at comcast.net Wed Nov 7 09:21:43 2007 From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net) Date: Wed Nov 7 09:22:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Calendar Hanger Message-ID: <110720071421.14485.4731C9F7000EBB1D0000389522134843730902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Cyndi: I believe Testrite sells this item. 888 873-2735 Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 810 487-1700 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Cyndy Wendt > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am hoping those of you who do large format can help me out here. > > I have a customer who is going to make a 24" x 30" calendar and is looking > for the narrow metal strips that can be attached (clamped?) to the top (with > a hanging loop) and bottom. I think I know what he is talking about and I > have searched my sign and banner making catalogs without success. > > Any thoughts on a vendor for such an item? > > Thanks in advance. > > Cyndy > -- > Cyndy Wendt > President > Pioneer Printing, Inc. > 3133 S. 7th., Suite D > Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 > cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com > > 402.483.7575 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From prtquick at eos.net Wed Nov 7 09:30:54 2007 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Wed Nov 7 09:31:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:Beware Trade Exchange of America In-Reply-To: <011a01c820e1$7f069f50$6401a8c0@corapurvine> References: <20071105193410.C5E73C59DC8@rb.enter.net> <000001c8207c$3cced2c0$0400000a@CraigNotebook> <011a01c820e1$7f069f50$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <9612bbbf6c6a5c9edca5a35a926a9a0c@eos.net> I trade for meat. (Butcher across the street). I have a credit card set up in Printsmith called "Meat". Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "Will Print for Meat" Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing On Nov 6, 2007, at 8:57 PM, Cora Purvine wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We also got our lawn sprinkler system and a well installed on trade. > > This works if you use it wisely and treat it like money. My bookkeeper > doesn't have any problems with it either. We pay taxes on what we > sell, etc. > It works for us. > > We never pay cash for food anymore except for the 18% tip. I have > noticed > that some of the businesses that get into barter seem to be on the > brink of > going out of business. Some it helps and some it doesn't. I was worried > about being swamped with trade orders, but there are several printers > in our > group and the businesses seem to just pass it around to us so none of > us are > overwhelmed. > > We belong to IMS now. They just recently took over the trade group > that we > have been in for the last several years. We don't know that much about > this > new group, but things seem to be going about the same as they were > except > now we have more options. We also belong to TradeBank. > > I have someone right now that is wanting to buy my old roll laminator > that I > don't use any more so as soon as I decide what I want for it, I will > get > back with them. > > Class Act Printing and Foil > Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners > 5801 W. Juno Ave. > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 > cpurvine1@cox.net > www.ClassActPrinting.biz > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From russ at mobile-print.com Wed Nov 7 11:19:55 2007 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Wed Nov 7 10:22:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4731E5AB.6000207@mobile-print.com> > which is followed by a spot for a > signature and date, along with boxes to check in front of "PROOF OK AS IS," > "PROOF OK WITH CHANGES," and "NOTE CHANGES ADDITIONAL PROOF REQUIRED." > We recently changed our proof sheet by deleting the "Proof OK with changes" box. We now re-proof until everything is ok'd in writing. Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847-398-6155 Fax: 847-398-0788 From jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com Wed Nov 7 10:33:01 2007 From: jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com (Jim Quinn) Date: Wed Nov 7 10:26:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction In-Reply-To: <00ce01c820bf$d949e480$0200a8c0@TravisComp> Message-ID: I took the deduction last year. I hope the IRS agrees that printing/copying is indeed a manufacturing activity. Jim Quinn Sir Speedy 4043 15323 Midway Road Addison, TX 75001 Phone 972-788-4266 Fax 972-788-2367 jquinn@sirspeedy4043.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of tstrickland@studiodesignsprinting.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:56 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have sent this information to my accountant. Has anyone actually been through this process and received these deductions? Travis Strickland Studio Designs Printing Milledgeville, GA 31061 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Gelletly To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I'll say. I just forwarded the link to the JOA article to my accountant for his take. Thanks guys. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Scott Cappel To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2007 9:08:37 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Outstanding Larry! Your post just saved us all a lot of dough. Had no idea.... Here's the English version so we can all understand a little better. http://tinyurl.com/2mvy89 Thanks buddy. S. At 01:33 PM 11/3/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >You may want to ask your CPA about this new deduction. 2006 was the >first year it was available. 2007 is coming to a close, and I >thought I'd pass it along in case you missed it last year. It >pertains to domestic mfg. > >It's a deduction of wages paid for things mfg in the US.....such as >printing. Sort of..... > >The IRS doesn't explain it very well, but...in their own strange >way...... they are promoting it heavily. Which is why you may not >have heard of it. > > > >Larry >DPP >Tucson >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2636 (20071103) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ed at graphicprintersinc.com Wed Nov 7 10:38:44 2007 From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce) Date: Wed Nov 7 10:39:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007001c82154$48613a00$5a01a8c0@fileserver> That is my CPA's question also and I don't want to have to pay money back after the fact. I belong to both PII & PIA so I am going to see if either of those organizations has any definitive word on this as far as the printing industry goes. Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jim Quinn Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:33 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I took the deduction last year. I hope the IRS agrees that printing/copying is indeed a manufacturing activity. Jim Quinn Sir Speedy 4043 15323 Midway Road Addison, TX 75001 Phone 972-788-4266 Fax 972-788-2367 jquinn@sirspeedy4043.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of tstrickland@studiodesignsprinting.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:56 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have sent this information to my accountant. Has anyone actually been through this process and received these deductions? Travis Strickland Studio Designs Printing Milledgeville, GA 31061 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Gelletly To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I'll say. I just forwarded the link to the JOA article to my accountant for his take. Thanks guys. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Scott Cappel To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2007 9:08:37 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Outstanding Larry! Your post just saved us all a lot of dough. Had no idea.... Here's the English version so we can all understand a little better. http://tinyurl.com/2mvy89 Thanks buddy. S. At 01:33 PM 11/3/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >You may want to ask your CPA about this new deduction. 2006 was the >first year it was available. 2007 is coming to a close, and I >thought I'd pass it along in case you missed it last year. It >pertains to domestic mfg. > >It's a deduction of wages paid for things mfg in the US.....such as >printing. Sort of..... > >The IRS doesn't explain it very well, but...in their own strange >way...... they are promoting it heavily. Which is why you may not >have heard of it. > > > >Larry >DPP >Tucson >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2636 (20071103) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2642 (20071106) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From dvmonto at optonline.net Wed Nov 7 11:03:14 2007 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Wed Nov 7 11:04:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:Beware Trade Exchange of America In-Reply-To: <9612bbbf6c6a5c9edca5a35a926a9a0c@eos.net> Message-ID: On 11/7/07 9:30 AM, "Scott Finke" wrote: > I trade for meat. (Butcher across the street). I have a credit card set > up in Printsmith called "Meat". I trade for beer. Beer store set me up with a $500 credit. I set him up with a $500 printing credit. I cannot drink beer that fast. Too bad it was not wine. -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 __/7__/7__/7__ \:::::::::::::::::::::::/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man who is not a liberal in his twenties has no heart, and a man who is not a conservative in his forties has no brain" - Churchill From bherion at bucksdigital.com Wed Nov 7 11:03:55 2007 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Wed Nov 7 11:04:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Catching customers errors. (proofing) In-Reply-To: <20071107152630.142CCC61219@rb.enter.net> References: <20071107152630.142CCC61219@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071107105051.03339118@bucksdigital.com> At 10:26 AM 11/7/2007, you wrote: >All this talk about errors and who is at fault reminds me of one of >our best saves. And that reminded me. I once lost a major catalog bid to another printer. I received a call from my customer who was very frantic. Seems the logo was left off of the front and back cover. The book was perfect bound and delivered....and this was AT&T. What to do? I suggested the printer make good. No time and the printer held up a signed blueline (more like threw it in my customer's face). Fortunately, the cover was all reversed out of a single PMS. Long story short, we stamped a white logo with Kluges. Job was saved over a 4 day Thanksgiving weekend. (There is another great story in that, but left for another time). Now, the other printer with a little thought could have accomplished the same feat. It cost me five grand and I sold it for fifteen. Bottom line...customer problems resolved. Other printer fired. My relationship was golden from that day forward. It just makes better business sense to help customers, doesn't it? Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From mail at myprinter.biz Wed Nov 7 11:11:40 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Wed Nov 7 11:12:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording In-Reply-To: <4730AD94.5990.6D026A9@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: Steve (and others) - Just like our vendors that value our business, we reprint for free EVERY TIME we think it's in our best interests to do that, and it doesn't matter whether the error was the customers in what they gave us or ours in executing it... ...and, just like our vendors that value our business, we STILL tell the client that it's TOTALLY THEIR RESPONSIBILITY to proof for errors, because if we didn't do that, they'd be far less careful and would catch far fewer of their own errors, and far fewer of our thankfully rare ones. Establishing with the customer that it's their responsibility to proof for errors serves a legitimate business purpose that doesn't require us to be idiots about enforcing it. This is such a "duh!" no-brainer that I'm surprised it generates the level of apparent (but not real) disagreement that it does. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Steve Blatman Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 6:08 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Actually, every buy-out vendor who's ever made a mistake on an order from us, has reprinted the job at no charge. Most of them have also been willing to "work with us" (share the pain) when it's been partially or entirely our fault. None of it has happened often, because: 1. we are truly anal about proofreading both the job and the order information 2. we write "special instructions" for every order that cover any question the vendor is likely to have (could be very simple, could be much less so, depending on the job) 3. we end the "special instructions" on EVERY ORDER with the phrase "please call with any questions" 4. we pay our bills promptly. In other words, we try to be the best customers we can be, while doing everything we can think of (short of travelling with the job) to be sure that they have every opportunity to produce exactly what we need. We occasionally have to eat a small l business card order or two when training a new employee, but we've never had to eat anything larger, and I hope we never do. YMMV, Steve > > Dan, > > Note what I said: > > "What amazes me is how so few business owners" Notice I said so FEW business > owners. There are some that understand the concept of Lifetime Value but so > many more don't. > > As for the "every single buyout vendor we use" having a proof policy that > makes you responsible for reprinting an error you didn't catch doesn't make > them right. The simple fact of the matter is if you screw up, you should eat > it. > > > > Armand Girard > Curry Printing & Mailing > 31 Mill St > Auburn, ME 04210 > > email: armand@curryonline.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 4:20 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > What amazes me is how so few business owners (not just printing companies > but all businesses in general) do not understand the concept of Lifetime > Value of a Customer. You get a customer angry over some little piddly silly > ass policy and they walk. You will no longer get any of their business. But, > if you treat your customers well, they will continue to bring you business. > Even if you have to eat a $500 job, how much is that customer worth over the > next 5, 10, 20 years? > > Armand > > > Armand - > > You're continuing to make this an either-or situation and assuming that > those that differ with you - which includes this firm and every single > buyout vendor we use - don't understand the value of customer retention and > are perfectly willing to lose customers over little or nothing...and you're > simply incorrect in that regard. > > We "eat" customer's errors, including those to which we contributed nothing, > when we think it's in our long-term interests to do so, and we still present > proofs to clients and tell them that they're primarily responsible for > "proofing" the "proof." > > Parenthetically, what you're referring to as "some little piddly silly ass > policy" - the one that makes the customer responsible for proofing - is one > that's been adopted by every single buyout vendor we use, which doesn't make > them "right" and you "wrong"...or vice versa. > > Dan > Sir Speedy Printing Center > 5845 Hollywood Boulevard > Hollywood, FL 33021 > tel. 954.962.1309 > fax 954.962.1366 > dan@myprinter.biz > www.myprinter.biz > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Armand Girard > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:45 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Michael knows me well :) > > Yes, I do provide proofs and we are extremely grateful when a client catches > a mistake we make. But if they don't catch it, and the error is ours, we > reprint at no charge to the client. Very simple concept. We screw up, we > pay. > > What amazes me is how so few business owners (not just printing companies > but all businesses in general) do not understand the concept of Lifetime > Value of a Customer. You get a customer angry over some little piddly silly > ass policy and they walk. You will no longer get any of their business. But, > if you treat your customers well, they will continue to bring you business. > Even if you have to eat a $500 job, how much is that customer worth over the > next 5, 10, 20 years? > > I live only 20 miles from LL Bean (one of the few good things about living > in Maine). I watch how well they treat their customers. There have been a > couple of time I was not happy with the products I purchased at the store. I > returned them with no questions asked, even after having owned them for > almost year. I've spent a lot more money there than the money they lost on > the couple of items I returned. No wonder they are so profitable. > > Armand Girard > Curry Printing & Mailing > 31 Mill St > Auburn, ME 04210 > > email: armand@curryonline.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 1:43 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Wanted - short proof stamp wording > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Armand, > > Is it safe to assume that you do not bother providing proofs to > customers? > > Don Carney > > > I'm going to take a stab at that, though I'm sure Armand will speak for > himself. > > I'll bet that, yes, Armand provides proofs to his customers. I'll bet > Armand knows how to think, and uses this ability. I'll bet Armand > realizes that customers can walk if not treated well and fairly. I'll > bet Armand is empathetic and can put himself in his customers' shoes. > I'll bet Armand understands the subjectivity of this issue, and how > easy it is to win a batlle and lose the war. I'll bet Arnold > recognizes the ramifications of trying to make his customers pay for > Armand's (employees') mistakes and how he would feel and react if the > tables were turned. > > This is not a subject requiring endless discussion. You have something > in writing. You make sure customers understand it. You don't expect > customers to catch your employees' careless errors. You take > responsibility for your staff's professionalism. You have a > customer-friendly policy that gives the customer the benefit of the > doubt. You protect yourself by understanding the need for proactive > communication. You win most; you lose a few, but rarely in the lonf > run. > > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~ Lord Bacon > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2642 (20071106) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mail at myprinter.biz Wed Nov 7 11:14:15 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Wed Nov 7 11:14:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jim - Printing's SIC code is subsumed in (is part of) the manufacturing code. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Jim Quinn Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:33 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I took the deduction last year. I hope the IRS agrees that printing/copying is indeed a manufacturing activity. Jim Quinn Sir Speedy 4043 15323 Midway Road Addison, TX 75001 Phone 972-788-4266 Fax 972-788-2367 jquinn@sirspeedy4043.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of tstrickland@studiodesignsprinting.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:56 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have sent this information to my accountant. Has anyone actually been through this process and received these deductions? Travis Strickland Studio Designs Printing Milledgeville, GA 31061 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Gelletly To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I'll say. I just forwarded the link to the JOA article to my accountant for his take. Thanks guys. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Scott Cappel To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2007 9:08:37 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Outstanding Larry! Your post just saved us all a lot of dough. Had no idea.... Here's the English version so we can all understand a little better. http://tinyurl.com/2mvy89 Thanks buddy. S. At 01:33 PM 11/3/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >You may want to ask your CPA about this new deduction. 2006 was the >first year it was available. 2007 is coming to a close, and I >thought I'd pass it along in case you missed it last year. It >pertains to domestic mfg. > >It's a deduction of wages paid for things mfg in the US.....such as >printing. Sort of..... > >The IRS doesn't explain it very well, but...in their own strange >way...... they are promoting it heavily. Which is why you may not >have heard of it. > > > >Larry >DPP >Tucson >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2636 (20071103) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jgross at techiowa.com Wed Nov 7 11:25:04 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Wed Nov 7 11:26:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:Beware Trade Exchange of America In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000c01c8215a$c13f6630$1e00000a@tech.local> Was there a line on your W2 for the beer? Sshhhhh! John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of David Monto Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:03 AM To: Printowners Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re:Beware Trade Exchange of America ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On 11/7/07 9:30 AM, "Scott Finke" wrote: > I trade for meat. (Butcher across the street). I have a credit card set > up in Printsmith called "Meat". I trade for beer. Beer store set me up with a $500 credit. I set him up with a $500 printing credit. I cannot drink beer that fast. Too bad it was not wine. -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 __/7__/7__/7__ \:::::::::::::::::::::::/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man who is not a liberal in his twenties has no heart, and a man who is not a conservative in his forties has no brain" - Churchill _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cahill at bizprint.com Wed Nov 7 10:37:50 2007 From: cahill at bizprint.com (Cahill@bizprint.com) Date: Wed Nov 7 11:39:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction In-Reply-To: <007001c82154$48613a00$5a01a8c0@fileserver> Message-ID: My CPA reviewed my return and thought the deduction would be about as much as his cost to fill out the form. So we did not take it. We do $1.500.000 in sales. -- Cahill Jones BizPrint Boise, Idaho > From: Ed Pierce > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:38:44 -0600 > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > That is my CPA's question also and I don't want to have to pay money back > after the fact. > > I belong to both PII & PIA so I am going to see if either of those > organizations has any definitive word on this as far as the printing > industry goes. > > Ed Pierce > Graphic Print & Communication > Meridian MS > 601-485-7088 > ed@graphicprintersinc.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jim Quinn > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:33 AM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I took the deduction last year. I hope the IRS agrees that printing/copying > is indeed a manufacturing activity. > > Jim Quinn > Sir Speedy 4043 > 15323 Midway Road > Addison, TX 75001 > Phone 972-788-4266 > Fax 972-788-2367 > jquinn@sirspeedy4043.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of > tstrickland@studiodesignsprinting.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:56 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have sent this information to my accountant. Has anyone actually been > through this process and received these deductions? > > Travis Strickland > Studio Designs Printing > Milledgeville, GA 31061 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ted Gelletly > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 11:01 AM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I'll say. I just forwarded the link to the JOA article to my accountant > for his take. Thanks guys. > > Ted Gelletly > Champion Printing > 5401 New Expansion Drive > Eldersburg MD 21784 > 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 > ted@championprintingonline.com > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Scott Cappel > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2007 9:08:37 AM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Outstanding Larry! > > Your post just saved us all a lot of dough. Had no idea.... > > Here's the English version so we can all understand a little better. > > http://tinyurl.com/2mvy89 > > Thanks buddy. > > > S. > > > > > > > At 01:33 PM 11/3/2007, you wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> You may want to ask your CPA about this new deduction. 2006 was the >> first year it was available. 2007 is coming to a close, and I >> thought I'd pass it along in case you missed it last year. It >> pertains to domestic mfg. >> >> It's a deduction of wages paid for things mfg in the US.....such as >> printing. Sort of..... >> >> The IRS doesn't explain it very well, but...in their own strange >> way...... they are promoting it heavily. Which is why you may not >> have heard of it. >> >> >> >> Larry >> DPP >> Tucson >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ NOD32 2636 (20071103) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2642 (20071106) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From ed at graphicprintersinc.com Wed Nov 7 11:46:37 2007 From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce) Date: Wed Nov 7 11:47:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <009601c8215d$c41ae070$5a01a8c0@fileserver> Did your CPA find any where that the IRS would allow printers to take the deduction or do we just take the credit and hope the IRS approves of us? Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cahill@bizprint.com Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:38 AM To: PrintOwners Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** My CPA reviewed my return and thought the deduction would be about as much as his cost to fill out the form. So we did not take it. We do $1.500.000 in sales. -- Cahill Jones BizPrint Boise, Idaho > From: Ed Pierce > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:38:44 -0600 > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > That is my CPA's question also and I don't want to have to pay money back > after the fact. > > I belong to both PII & PIA so I am going to see if either of those > organizations has any definitive word on this as far as the printing > industry goes. > > Ed Pierce > Graphic Print & Communication > Meridian MS > 601-485-7088 > ed@graphicprintersinc.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jim Quinn > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:33 AM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I took the deduction last year. I hope the IRS agrees that printing/copying > is indeed a manufacturing activity. > > Jim Quinn > Sir Speedy 4043 > 15323 Midway Road > Addison, TX 75001 > Phone 972-788-4266 > Fax 972-788-2367 > jquinn@sirspeedy4043.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of > tstrickland@studiodesignsprinting.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:56 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have sent this information to my accountant. Has anyone actually been > through this process and received these deductions? > > Travis Strickland > Studio Designs Printing > Milledgeville, GA 31061 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ted Gelletly > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 11:01 AM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I'll say. I just forwarded the link to the JOA article to my accountant > for his take. Thanks guys. > > Ted Gelletly > Champion Printing > 5401 New Expansion Drive > Eldersburg MD 21784 > 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 > ted@championprintingonline.com > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Scott Cappel > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2007 9:08:37 AM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Outstanding Larry! > > Your post just saved us all a lot of dough. Had no idea.... > > Here's the English version so we can all understand a little better. > > http://tinyurl.com/2mvy89 > > Thanks buddy. > > > S. > > > > > > > At 01:33 PM 11/3/2007, you wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> You may want to ask your CPA about this new deduction. 2006 was the >> first year it was available. 2007 is coming to a close, and I >> thought I'd pass it along in case you missed it last year. It >> pertains to domestic mfg. >> >> It's a deduction of wages paid for things mfg in the US.....such as >> printing. Sort of..... >> >> The IRS doesn't explain it very well, but...in their own strange >> way...... they are promoting it heavily. Which is why you may not >> have heard of it. >> >> >> >> Larry >> DPP >> Tucson >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ NOD32 2636 (20071103) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2642 (20071106) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2642 (20071106) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From printer at ptialaska.net Wed Nov 7 12:07:49 2007 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Wed Nov 7 12:08:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Catching customers errors. (proofing) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20071107105051.03339118@bucksdigital.com> References: <20071107152630.142CCC61219@rb.enter.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20071107105051.03339118@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <782A821E-07A7-4751-A1B1-0451E4117312@ptialaska.net> On Nov 7, 2007, at 7:03 AM, Bob Herion wrote: > Now, the other printer with a little thought could have > accomplished the same feat. It cost me five grand and I sold it for > fifteen. > Bottom line...customer problems resolved. Other printer fired. My > relationship was golden from that day forward. REPLY: Good story, but here is what I know about being golden. You are only as good as your last job (meaning that you could have 10 golden jobs, then 1 bad one, they will remember the bad one), It is about consistency... _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From dvmonto at optonline.net Wed Nov 7 12:26:39 2007 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Wed Nov 7 12:27:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:Beware Trade Exchange of America In-Reply-To: <000c01c8215a$c13f6630$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: On 11/7/07 11:25 AM, "John Gross" wrote: > Was there a line on your W2 for the beer? Sshhhhh! http://www.shop.halftimebeverage.com/main.sc Dave From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Wed Nov 7 12:55:00 2007 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Wed Nov 7 12:54:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7905842C-87DD-49B6-9C01-7394E0D5B8B0@falconprintandcopy.com> We do about $500K, I don't have to pay extra to my CPA to take deductions, and it saved me a significant amount. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com On Nov 7, 2007, at 10:37 AM, Cahill@bizprint.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > My CPA reviewed my return and thought the deduction would be about > as much > as his cost to fill out the form. So we did not take it. We do > $1.500.000 > in sales. > -- > Cahill Jones > BizPrint > Boise, Idaho > > > >> From: Ed Pierce >> Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> >> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:38:44 -0600 >> To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' >> >> Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> That is my CPA's question also and I don't want to have to pay >> money back >> after the fact. >> >> I belong to both PII & PIA so I am going to see if either of those >> organizations has any definitive word on this as far as the printing >> industry goes. >> >> Ed Pierce >> Graphic Print & Communication >> Meridian MS >> 601-485-7088 >> ed@graphicprintersinc.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jim Quinn >> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:33 AM >> To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' >> Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I took the deduction last year. I hope the IRS agrees that >> printing/copying >> is indeed a manufacturing activity. >> >> Jim Quinn >> Sir Speedy 4043 >> 15323 Midway Road >> Addison, TX 75001 >> Phone 972-788-4266 >> Fax 972-788-2367 >> jquinn@sirspeedy4043.com >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of >> tstrickland@studiodesignsprinting.com >> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:56 PM >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I have sent this information to my accountant. Has anyone actually >> been >> through this process and received these deductions? >> >> Travis Strickland >> Studio Designs Printing >> Milledgeville, GA 31061 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ted Gelletly >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 11:01 AM >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction >> >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I'll say. I just forwarded the link to the JOA article to my >> accountant >> for his take. Thanks guys. >> >> Ted Gelletly >> Champion Printing >> 5401 New Expansion Drive >> Eldersburg MD 21784 >> 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 >> ted@championprintingonline.com >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Scott Cappel >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> >> Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2007 9:08:37 AM >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> Outstanding Larry! >> >> Your post just saved us all a lot of dough. Had no idea.... >> >> Here's the English version so we can all understand a little >> better. >> >> http://tinyurl.com/2mvy89 >> >> Thanks buddy. >> >> >> S. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> At 01:33 PM 11/3/2007, you wrote: >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> You may want to ask your CPA about this new deduction. 2006 was the >>> first year it was available. 2007 is coming to a close, and I >>> thought I'd pass it along in case you missed it last year. It >>> pertains to domestic mfg. >>> >>> It's a deduction of wages paid for things mfg in the US.....such as >>> printing. Sort of..... >>> >>> The IRS doesn't explain it very well, but...in their own strange >>> way...... they are promoting it heavily. Which is why you may not >>> have heard of it. >>> >>> >>> >>> Larry >>> DPP >>> Tucson >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> __________ NOD32 2636 (20071103) Information __________ >>> >>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>> http://www.eset.com >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Scott Cappel >> >> Sorrento Mesa Printing >> 7398 Trade Street >> San Diego, CA 92121-2422 >> 858-527-0800 >> 858-527-1740 FAX >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ NOD32 2642 (20071106) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From jgross at techiowa.com Wed Nov 7 13:26:31 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Wed Nov 7 13:27:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:Beware Trade Exchange of America In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000f01c8216b$b827ea20$1e00000a@tech.local> Of course, customer holiday gifts. How dumb of me, but we always have some quality control on the products, a good business practice. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of David Monto Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:27 AM To: Printowners Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re:Beware Trade Exchange of America ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On 11/7/07 11:25 AM, "John Gross" wrote: > Was there a line on your W2 for the beer? Sshhhhh! http://www.shop.halftimebeverage.com/main.sc Dave _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Nov 7 13:46:35 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Nov 7 13:47:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Approach to Surveys - Your input requested Message-ID: The following has been cross-posted to both lists with apologies to the list owners. It is a very important issue for which we need immediate feedback from as many as possible to determine future studies conducted on behalf of the industry: NAQP is considering two actions early next year that will dramatically affect one or more of its popular surveys. More specifically, the first study impacted will be the 2008-09 Operating Ratio Study. Change #1 will involve receipt of an email with a special direct link to an electronic survey form that will be completed on line. No printed surveys will be distributed. The electronic survey can be completed, stopped, restarted numerous times prior to formally submitting it. Since the survey will be distributed via email and we have potential sources for 10-15,000 verified email addresses, we expect that overall participation will increase. As a result of cost savings from Change #1, we will be able to incorporate Change #2 which will allow us to provide customized breakouts for each individual participant. I.E. - Every participant will receive a final printed study (or possibly a PDF) that will incorporate specific financial data related to his/her firm. Every report that we will distribute to participants will be customized to include that specific company's overall performance ratios and profitability, against selected comparisons. Thus if you are a $1.2 million firm, your results will not only be compared to ALL, but also to Profit Leaders but also to firms within your sales range such as $1-2 million. Other comparisons may also be offered. At this point, I am interested in your overall reaction, comments and feedback to these proposed or possible changes. Are you more or less likely to participate in such surveys if they feature the above? Thanks. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From jeff at hprinting.biz Wed Nov 7 13:51:53 2007 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Wed Nov 7 13:52:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Approach to Surveys - Your input requested In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20071107185158.21674.639@hm-pop1.solinus.com> At 01:46 PM 11/7/2007, you wrote: >At this point, I am interested in your overall reaction, comments and >feedback to these proposed or possible changes. >Are you more or less likely to >participate in such surveys if they feature the above? Thanks. I would like it. Could be more likely to participate since I already participate in all your surveys. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From jgross at techiowa.com Wed Nov 7 13:56:16 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Wed Nov 7 13:56:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Approach to Surveys - Your input requested In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c8216f$e02dbf00$1e00000a@tech.local> Do it. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 12:47 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] New Approach to Surveys - Your input requested ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** The following has been cross-posted to both lists with apologies to the list owners. It is a very important issue for which we need immediate feedback from as many as possible to determine future studies conducted on behalf of the industry: NAQP is considering two actions early next year that will dramatically affect one or more of its popular surveys. More specifically, the first study impacted will be the 2008-09 Operating Ratio Study. Change #1 will involve receipt of an email with a special direct link to an electronic survey form that will be completed on line. No printed surveys will be distributed. The electronic survey can be completed, stopped, restarted numerous times prior to formally submitting it. Since the survey will be distributed via email and we have potential sources for 10-15,000 verified email addresses, we expect that overall participation will increase. As a result of cost savings from Change #1, we will be able to incorporate Change #2 which will allow us to provide customized breakouts for each individual participant. I.E. - Every participant will receive a final printed study (or possibly a PDF) that will incorporate specific financial data related to his/her firm. Every report that we will distribute to participants will be customized to include that specific company's overall performance ratios and profitability, against selected comparisons. Thus if you are a $1.2 million firm, your results will not only be compared to ALL, but also to Profit Leaders but also to firms within your sales range such as $1-2 million. Other comparisons may also be offered. At this point, I am interested in your overall reaction, comments and feedback to these proposed or possible changes. Are you more or less likely to participate in such surveys if they feature the above? Thanks. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From printer at ptialaska.net Wed Nov 7 14:02:43 2007 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Wed Nov 7 14:03:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Approach to Surveys - Your input requested In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D2C6936-3ED6-4559-AA22-C8D6B0361EC9@ptialaska.net> I like the idea of online filing, as long as the survey will allow you to save as you go so that it does not have to be completed in 1 sitting (things come up where I may get called away and need to complete on another day). This is how the FAFSA forms work, it will save your spot so when you log in again you can pick right up where you left off. I wish there was a way to link to Printsmith info (PP or whatever) so that it would just use those numbers. _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed Nov 7 14:01:32 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed Nov 7 14:05:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Approach to Surveys - Your input requested In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200711071904.lA7J4iMA090606@i2bnetworks.com> Yes, three thumbs up (if I had an extra) S. At 10:46 AM 11/7/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >The following has been cross-posted to both lists with apologies to the list >owners. It is a very important issue for which we need immediate feedback >from as many as possible to determine future studies conducted on >behalf of the >industry: > >NAQP is considering two actions early next year that will dramatically >affect one or more of its popular surveys. More specifically, the >first study >impacted will be the 2008-09 Operating Ratio Study. > >Change #1 will involve receipt of an email with a special direct link to an >electronic survey form that will be completed on line. No printed surveys >will be distributed. The electronic survey can be completed, >stopped, restarted >numerous times prior to formally submitting it. Since the survey will be >distributed via email and we have potential sources for 10-15,000 >verified email >addresses, we expect that overall participation will increase. > >As a result of cost savings from Change #1, we will be able to incorporate >Change #2 which will allow us to provide customized breakouts for each >individual participant. I.E. - Every participant will receive a >final printed study >(or possibly a PDF) that will incorporate specific financial data related to >his/her firm. > >Every report that we will distribute to participants will be customized to >include that specific company's overall performance ratios and >profitability, >against selected comparisons. Thus if you are a $1.2 million firm, your >results will not only be compared to ALL, but also to Profit >Leaders but also to >firms within your sales range such as $1-2 million. Other >comparisons may also >be offered. > >At this point, I am interested in your overall reaction, comments and >feedback to these proposed or possible changes. Are you more or less >likely to >participate in such surveys if they feature the above? Thanks. > > >John Stewart >Q. P. Consulting, Inc. >Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > >by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > >2110 S. Dairy Road >West Melbourne, FL 32904 >321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 >Cell: 321-794-6259 >_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) >"Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > >************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2643 (20071107) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From printer at ptialaska.net Wed Nov 7 14:32:37 2007 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Wed Nov 7 14:32:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing Printer Message-ID: We need a faster printer for our mailing department (30k or faster). What would you recommend? Where is the best source? Thanks, _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From jacemeister at gmail.com Wed Nov 7 14:36:50 2007 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Wed Nov 7 14:37:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Approach to Surveys - Your input requested In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That would be a great add-on to what is already an excellent product! At first glance I thought it would be too cumbersome to switch screens back and forth between the survey and Printers Plan. A very simple solution would be to print the survey, fill it out on paper then transfer the answers to the electronic file. I appreciate the thought and effort that goes into these surveys and consider the surveys to be among the best benefits of belonging to NAQP. -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com On Nov 7, 2007 12:46 PM, wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > The following has been cross-posted to both lists with apologies to the list > owners. It is a very important issue for which we need immediate feedback > from as many as possible to determine future studies conducted on behalf of the > industry: > > NAQP is considering two actions early next year that will dramatically > affect one or more of its popular surveys. More specifically, the first study > impacted will be the 2008-09 Operating Ratio Study. > > Change #1 will involve receipt of an email with a special direct link to an > electronic survey form that will be completed on line. No printed surveys > will be distributed. The electronic survey can be completed, stopped, restarted > numerous times prior to formally submitting it. Since the survey will be > distributed via email and we have potential sources for 10-15,000 verified email > addresses, we expect that overall participation will increase. > > As a result of cost savings from Change #1, we will be able to incorporate > Change #2 which will allow us to provide customized breakouts for each > individual participant. I.E. - Every participant will receive a final printed study > (or possibly a PDF) that will incorporate specific financial data related to > his/her firm. > > Every report that we will distribute to participants will be customized to > include that specific company's overall performance ratios and profitability, > against selected comparisons. Thus if you are a $1.2 million firm, your > results will not only be compared to ALL, but also to Profit Leaders but also to > firms within your sales range such as $1-2 million. Other comparisons may also > be offered. > > At this point, I am interested in your overall reaction, comments and > feedback to these proposed or possible changes. Are you more or less likely to > participate in such surveys if they feature the above? Thanks. > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > From dvmonto at optonline.net Wed Nov 7 14:37:01 2007 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Wed Nov 7 14:37:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Approach to Surveys - Your input requested In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11/7/07 1:46 PM, "QKCONSULT@aol.com" wrote: > At this point, I am interested in your overall reaction, comments and > feedback to these proposed or possible changes. Are you more or less likely to > participate in such surveys if they feature the above? Thanks. Sounds like a good idea to me. What does your wife have to say about the loss of the presswork? :-) -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with anybody that stands right, stand with him while he is right, and part with him when he goes wrong. - -- Abraham Lincoln From si at ria.net Wed Nov 7 14:56:14 2007 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Wed Nov 7 14:59:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Approach to Surveys - Your input requested In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200711071959.lA7JxDY10248@plus50.host4u.net> At 02:36 PM 11/7/2007, Jace Prejean wrote: >That would be a great add-on to what is already an excellent product! >At first glance I thought it would be too cumbersome to switch screens >back and forth between the survey and Printers Plan. A very simple >solution would be to print the survey, fill it out on paper then >transfer the answers to the electronic file. What about taking advantage of Acrobat's form capability? Participants download the .pdf document, fill in the blanks at their leisure, and then email or upload the completed .pdf to John Stewart or his designee. Should be relatively easy to develop the means to extract the raw data from the completed .pdf submissions if the Acrobat form was properly structured. Doug -- Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From john at foxprinting.biz Wed Nov 7 15:00:38 2007 From: john at foxprinting.biz (John Schroeder) Date: Wed Nov 7 15:05:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Approach to Surveys - Your input requested In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2A971C07-2F93-4148-AA25-617AD6E18086@foxprinting.biz> That sounds great! John Schroeder Fox Printing 802-658-9196 john@foxprinting.biz On Nov 7, 2007, at 1:46 PM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** The following has been cross-posted to both lists with apologies to the list owners. It is a very important issue for which we need immediate feedback from as many as possible to determine future studies conducted on behalf of the industry: 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http:// www.aol.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From tufelkinder at gmail.com Wed Nov 7 15:07:50 2007 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Wed Nov 7 15:08:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Approach to Surveys - Your input requested In-Reply-To: <200711071959.lA7JxDY10248@plus50.host4u.net> References: <200711071959.lA7JxDY10248@plus50.host4u.net> Message-ID: <84f70d5e0711071207k68ec7cbk1a4b281202646c05@mail.gmail.com> Actually, the PDF forms can have a web Submit feature... But honestly, the plain old web form sounds quite the improvement, if you ask me. Every time in the past that I've handed the survey to our estimator, he just groans and never gets around to it. John, don't you discard something like the top 20% and the bottom 20% of responses anyway...? Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA http://mercersburg.net 800-955-3902 tufelkinder@gmail.com -~ Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so. -- Bertrand Russell From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Nov 7 15:32:21 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Nov 7 15:33:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Approach to Surveys - Your input requested Message-ID: In a message dated 11/7/2007 3:13:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tufelkinder@gmail.com writes: John, don't you discard something like the top 20% and the bottom 20% of responses anyway...? No Walt, we don't generally have the luxury. All we discard are shops with sales less than $150,000 or so as well as those where we know there are major errors or omissions. We use about 95% and then report the results out to at least two standard deviations which means including 96% of all responses. One standard deviation is 34% on either side of the average, then the next standard deviation includes another 14% on either side of the average. Everything else is considered an outlier.... Sometimes, we have a very narrow distribution curve to begin with which is quite good. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Wed Nov 7 15:39:19 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Wed Nov 7 15:39:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Tax savings for mfg Message-ID: On Nov 7, 2007, at 10:37 AM, Cahill@bizprint.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > My CPA reviewed my return and thought the deduction would be about > as much > as his cost to fill out the form. So we did not take it. We do > $1.500.000 > in sales. > We expect $500/mo. in tax savings (after the deduction) for 2007 at the print shop, unless we 179 a bunch of stuff. We are a teensy-weensy print shop.....but the deduction is based on a percent of net, not gross. You may want to ask your cpa if they have a clue what they are talking about. This year the deduction doubled, now's the time for tax planning, you may want to inquire if it makes more sense this year. Our CPA is also a tax attorney, he says my print shop qualifies. I have other businesses which don't get a dime of this deduction. Just manufacturing. This is not to be construed as advice, just my experience. Best, Larry DPP Tucson From bherion at bucksdigital.com Wed Nov 7 15:55:11 2007 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Wed Nov 7 16:11:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: New Approach to Surveys - Your input requested In-Reply-To: <20071107185713.2F5B4C62081@rb.enter.net> References: <20071107185713.2F5B4C62081@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071107155401.033b6d88@bucksdigital.com> At 01:57 PM 11/7/2007, you wrote: >At this point, I am interested in your overall reaction, comments and >feedback to these proposed or possible changes. Are you more or less likely >to >participate in such surveys if they feature the above? Thanks. I am much more inclined to participate online, than any other method. Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Wed Nov 7 16:32:16 2007 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Wed Nov 7 16:34:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Approach to Surveys - Your input requested In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It's a better way to go. Another print application going to the desktop printer. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 12:47 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] New Approach to Surveys - Your input requested ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** The following has been cross-posted to both lists with apologies to the list owners. It is a very important issue for which we need immediate feedback from as many as possible to determine future studies conducted on behalf of the industry: NAQP is considering two actions early next year that will dramatically affect one or more of its popular surveys. More specifically, the first study impacted will be the 2008-09 Operating Ratio Study. Change #1 will involve receipt of an email with a special direct link to an electronic survey form that will be completed on line. No printed surveys will be distributed. The electronic survey can be completed, stopped, restarted numerous times prior to formally submitting it. Since the survey will be distributed via email and we have potential sources for 10-15,000 verified email addresses, we expect that overall participation will increase. As a result of cost savings from Change #1, we will be able to incorporate Change #2 which will allow us to provide customized breakouts for each individual participant. I.E. - Every participant will receive a final printed study (or possibly a PDF) that will incorporate specific financial data related to his/her firm. Every report that we will distribute to participants will be customized to include that specific company's overall performance ratios and profitability, against selected comparisons. Thus if you are a $1.2 million firm, your results will not only be compared to ALL, but also to Profit Leaders but also to firms within your sales range such as $1-2 million. Other comparisons may also be offered. At this point, I am interested in your overall reaction, comments and feedback to these proposed or possible changes. Are you more or less likely to participate in such surveys if they feature the above? Thanks. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.23/1114 - Release Date: 11/6/2007 8:05 PM From dcarlile at printfresno.com Wed Nov 7 17:00:18 2007 From: dcarlile at printfresno.com (Doug Carlile) Date: Wed Nov 7 17:01:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Approach to Surveys - Your input requested In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20071107220157.37B11C62B3C@rb.enter.net> John, Sounds like a good deal to me. One problem I face in comparing our numbers to survey data is the effect on our numbers due to the number of products we produce and their impact on our operations. For example we have this product mix: 2007 YTD 2006 Offset Printing 57% 58% (includes related prepress and bindery) Digital Printing 16% 12% (includes related prepress and bindery) Mailing Sales 20% 21% (includes list rental, data processing and mailroom) Brokered Sales 8% 9% (Rounding makes 2007 total 101%) If possible it would be nice if other firms with this diversification could be called out for comparison. I realize that the present paper survey makes it difficult, but with an internet based survey perhaps you could ask for some information like the above. It should be defined so that people report similar combinations of revenues. As you know we use PrintLeader and its flexibility allows us to capture a lot of information, perhaps more than we should, but we find it helpful. By the way, I mailed my 4C survey yesterday. Regards, Doug Carlile Professional Print & Mail Fresno, CA From gerrye at porathprintsource.com Wed Nov 7 17:43:07 2007 From: gerrye at porathprintsource.com (Gerry Engelhart) Date: Wed Nov 7 17:44:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:survey's References: <20071107200842.19E6DC62503@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <006601c8218f$91224000$7000000a@Engelhart> I like the idea of being able to print, then enter elecronically gerry Engelhart Porath Printsource Cleveland oh From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Nov 7 18:43:21 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Nov 7 18:43:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Approach to Surveys - Your input requested Message-ID: In a message dated 11/7/2007 5:02:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dcarlile@printfresno.com writes: Offset Printing 57% 58% (includes related prepress and bindery) Digital Printing 16% 12% (includes related prepress and bindery) Mailing Sales 20% 21% (includes list rental, data processing and mailroom) Brokered Sales 8% 9% Doug, We are already breaking all of those categories plus a couple additional. We do ask participants (even if only a best guess estimate) to break out DTP/Graphics and Bindery Sales in addition to your categories listed above. We also breakout Digital Printing into BW digital and Color Digital. The only difference in the latter is that we refer to it as Copying and probably should change our terminology to Digital BW Copying and Digital Color Copying, although I would agree that Copying is probably an outdated term but it also clarifies a bit as well what we are talking about. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt & John Stewart _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From braddpotter at juno.com Wed Nov 7 23:05:48 2007 From: braddpotter at juno.com (Brad Potter) Date: Wed Nov 7 23:08:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Form 8903 Message-ID: <20071107.200548.10379.1@webmail20.vgs.untd.com> So Cayhil, what you are saying is that if your cpa re files your return, it will cost 10 dollars and save you 10 dollars (in other words, cost is the same) So one way, you are supporting your LOCAL economy, giving your cpa some beer money, or money for his kids school, or whatever. OR you are letting the IRS keep the money, because it is not worth it? . What to do... What to do... (I know what I would do....) > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > My CPA reviewed my return and thought the deduction would be about > as much > as his cost to fill out the form. So we did not take it. We do > $1.500.000 > in sales. > -- > Cahill Jones > BizPrint > Boise, Idaho > Brad Potter Your Printing Super Hero 3480 SE Bethel, Suite A Port Orchard, WA 98366 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax From acepm2 at gmail.com Thu Nov 8 05:43:37 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Thu Nov 8 05:44:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing Printer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles, Thats easy. www.KirkRudy.com. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On 11/7/07, Charles A. Lincoln wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We need a faster printer for our mailing department (30k or faster). > What would you recommend? Where is the best source? > > Thanks, > > > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > Charles Lincoln > ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY > 612 30th Avenue > Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 > (907) 451-1111 > fax (907) 451-4511 > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From oren66 at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 8 08:11:33 2007 From: oren66 at sbcglobal.net (Arie Teomi) Date: Thu Nov 8 08:12:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing Printer Message-ID: <205816.5086.qm@web83404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I agree with Thom. In fact I listened to Thom and Got my Netjet Kirk-Rudy. This machine changed our Mailing Department and the way we provide Mailing Services to our clients. We can now do things that we could not do in the past. Make sure you get a powerful dryer - we have 6000 Watt and we run aqeuous coated stock with no problem. Arie Teomi LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.LastingImpressionDirect.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner ----- Original Message ---- From: Thom Gulyas To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 5:43:37 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Mailing Printer ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Charles, Thats easy. www.KirkRudy.com. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On 11/7/07, Charles A. Lincoln wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We need a faster printer for our mailing department (30k or faster). > What would you recommend? Where is the best source? > > Thanks, > > > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > Charles Lincoln > ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY > 612 30th Avenue > Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 > (907) 451-1111 > fax (907) 451-4511 > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From gamble at choiceonemail.com Thu Nov 8 09:15:08 2007 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Thu Nov 8 09:16:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing Printer In-Reply-To: <205816.5086.qm@web83404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <205816.5086.qm@web83404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02cc01c82211$c4c9b140$0301a8c0@RICK> I also run a kirk rudy and was running a video jet system. The Kirk is so user friendly and easy to get rolling not to mention it has improved my mailing operation a lot. Rick Bird Gamble Printing * Mailing Inc Buffalo NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917- fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Arie Teomi Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:12 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Mailing Printer ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I agree with Thom. In fact I listened to Thom and Got my Netjet Kirk-Rudy. This machine changed our Mailing Department and the way we provide Mailing Services to our clients. We can now do things that we could not do in the past. Make sure you get a powerful dryer - we have 6000 Watt and we run aqeuous coated stock with no problem. Arie Teomi LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.LastingImpressionDirect.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner ----- Original Message ---- From: Thom Gulyas To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 5:43:37 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Mailing Printer ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Charles, Thats easy. www.KirkRudy.com. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On 11/7/07, Charles A. Lincoln wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We need a faster printer for our mailing department (30k or faster). > What would you recommend? Where is the best source? > > Thanks, > > > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > Charles Lincoln > ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY > 612 30th Avenue > Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 > (907) 451-1111 > fax (907) 451-4511 > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cahill at bizprint.com Thu Nov 8 09:06:43 2007 From: cahill at bizprint.com (Cahill@bizprint.com) Date: Thu Nov 8 10:07:33 2007 Subject: Spam:*******, RE: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction In-Reply-To: <009601c8215d$c41ae070$5a01a8c0@fileserver> Message-ID: He felt only part of what we do would be deductible. -- Cahill Jones BizPrint Boise, Idaho > From: Ed Pierce > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:46:37 -0600 > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Subject: Spam:*******, RE: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Did your CPA find any where that the IRS would allow printers to take the > deduction or do we just take the credit and hope the IRS approves of us? > > Ed Pierce > Graphic Print & Communication > Meridian MS > 601-485-7088 > ed@graphicprintersinc.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cahill@bizprint.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:38 AM > To: PrintOwners > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > My CPA reviewed my return and thought the deduction would be about as much > as his cost to fill out the form. So we did not take it. We do $1.500.000 > in sales. > -- > Cahill Jones > BizPrint > Boise, Idaho > > > >> From: Ed Pierce >> Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> >> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:38:44 -0600 >> To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' >> >> Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> That is my CPA's question also and I don't want to have to pay money back >> after the fact. >> >> I belong to both PII & PIA so I am going to see if either of those >> organizations has any definitive word on this as far as the printing >> industry goes. >> >> Ed Pierce >> Graphic Print & Communication >> Meridian MS >> 601-485-7088 >> ed@graphicprintersinc.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jim Quinn >> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:33 AM >> To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' >> Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I took the deduction last year. I hope the IRS agrees that > printing/copying >> is indeed a manufacturing activity. >> >> Jim Quinn >> Sir Speedy 4043 >> 15323 Midway Road >> Addison, TX 75001 >> Phone 972-788-4266 >> Fax 972-788-2367 >> jquinn@sirspeedy4043.com >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of >> tstrickland@studiodesignsprinting.com >> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:56 PM >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I have sent this information to my accountant. Has anyone actually been >> through this process and received these deductions? >> >> Travis Strickland >> Studio Designs Printing >> Milledgeville, GA 31061 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ted Gelletly >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 11:01 AM >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction >> >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I'll say. I just forwarded the link to the JOA article to my accountant >> for his take. Thanks guys. >> >> Ted Gelletly >> Champion Printing >> 5401 New Expansion Drive >> Eldersburg MD 21784 >> 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 >> ted@championprintingonline.com >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Scott Cappel >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> >> Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2007 9:08:37 AM >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> Outstanding Larry! >> >> Your post just saved us all a lot of dough. Had no idea.... >> >> Here's the English version so we can all understand a little better. >> >> http://tinyurl.com/2mvy89 >> >> Thanks buddy. >> >> >> S. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> At 01:33 PM 11/3/2007, you wrote: >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> You may want to ask your CPA about this new deduction. 2006 was the >>> first year it was available. 2007 is coming to a close, and I >>> thought I'd pass it along in case you missed it last year. It >>> pertains to domestic mfg. >>> >>> It's a deduction of wages paid for things mfg in the US.....such as >>> printing. Sort of..... >>> >>> The IRS doesn't explain it very well, but...in their own strange >>> way...... they are promoting it heavily. Which is why you may not >>> have heard of it. >>> >>> >>> >>> Larry >>> DPP >>> Tucson >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> __________ NOD32 2636 (20071103) Information __________ >>> >>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>> http://www.eset.com >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Scott Cappel >> >> Sorrento Mesa Printing >> 7398 Trade Street >> San Diego, CA 92121-2422 >> 858-527-0800 >> 858-527-1740 FAX >> http://www.sorrentomesa.com >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ NOD32 2642 (20071106) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2642 (20071106) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From cahill at bizprint.com Thu Nov 8 09:15:14 2007 From: cahill at bizprint.com (Cahill@bizprint.com) Date: Thu Nov 8 10:15:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Approach to Surveys - Your input requested In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Wow! That would be GREAT! -- Cahill Jones BizPrint Boise, Idaho > From: "qkconsult@aol.com" > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:46:35 EST > To: > Subject: [PrintOwners] New Approach to Surveys - Your input requested > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > The following has been cross-posted to both lists with apologies to the list > owners. It is a very important issue for which we need immediate feedback > from as many as possible to determine future studies conducted on behalf of > the > industry: > > NAQP is considering two actions early next year that will dramatically > affect one or more of its popular surveys. More specifically, the first study > impacted will be the 2008-09 Operating Ratio Study. > > Change #1 will involve receipt of an email with a special direct link to an > electronic survey form that will be completed on line. No printed surveys > will be distributed. The electronic survey can be completed, stopped, > restarted > numerous times prior to formally submitting it. Since the survey will be > distributed via email and we have potential sources for 10-15,000 verified > email > addresses, we expect that overall participation will increase. > > As a result of cost savings from Change #1, we will be able to incorporate > Change #2 which will allow us to provide customized breakouts for each > individual participant. I.E. - Every participant will receive a final printed > study > (or possibly a PDF) that will incorporate specific financial data related to > his/her firm. > > Every report that we will distribute to participants will be customized to > include that specific company's overall performance ratios and profitability, > against selected comparisons. Thus if you are a $1.2 million firm, your > results will not only be compared to ALL, but also to Profit Leaders but also > to > firms within your sales range such as $1-2 million. Other comparisons may > also > be offered. > > At this point, I am interested in your overall reaction, comments and > feedback to these proposed or possible changes. Are you more or less likely to > participate in such surveys if they feature the above? Thanks. > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From kellycrom at gmail.com Thu Nov 8 10:46:38 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Thu Nov 8 10:48:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing software-I think I gotta switch Message-ID: <01d001c8221e$8dca7c80$6d01a8c0@KELLY> With the new rules on NCOA for ALL mailings(first class presort and standard) coming up, I think I need to look at switching my mailing software to something other than Mailers+4. I am looking at AccuZIP, BCC(Mail Manager 2010), or Satori Bulk Mailer 5. AccuZip's web price for 3.5 years including unlimited NCOAlink access looks extremely good, but I would like to hear from any of you using AccuZIP(or have used but decided to switch to something else). Thanks, Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kelly@applied-graphics.com www.applied-graphics.com From mitch.eaton at printingstation.com Thu Nov 8 10:48:54 2007 From: mitch.eaton at printingstation.com (Mitch Eaton) Date: Thu Nov 8 10:51:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Approach to Surveys - Your input requested In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005f01c8221e$ddd42410$f901a8c0@MitchDell> John, Online would be great. I would concur with another that suggested a printout of the survey so you could collect the required information prior to starting the online survey. That would make it easier to fill out the online survey and maybe keep you from starting and stopping so often. Mitch Eaton The Printing Station 1420 Locust Street Des Moines, IA 50309 515-243-8144 866-866-7414 Fax 515-243-6540 mitch.eaton@printingstation.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 12:47 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] New Approach to Surveys - Your input requested ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** The following has been cross-posted to both lists with apologies to the list owners. It is a very important issue for which we need immediate feedback from as many as possible to determine future studies conducted on behalf of the industry: NAQP is considering two actions early next year that will dramatically affect one or more of its popular surveys. More specifically, the first study impacted will be the 2008-09 Operating Ratio Study. Change #1 will involve receipt of an email with a special direct link to an electronic survey form that will be completed on line. No printed surveys will be distributed. The electronic survey can be completed, stopped, restarted numerous times prior to formally submitting it. Since the survey will be distributed via email and we have potential sources for 10-15,000 verified email addresses, we expect that overall participation will increase. As a result of cost savings from Change #1, we will be able to incorporate Change #2 which will allow us to provide customized breakouts for each individual participant. I.E. - Every participant will receive a final printed study (or possibly a PDF) that will incorporate specific financial data related to his/her firm. Every report that we will distribute to participants will be customized to include that specific company's overall performance ratios and profitability, against selected comparisons. Thus if you are a $1.2 million firm, your results will not only be compared to ALL, but also to Profit Leaders but also to firms within your sales range such as $1-2 million. Other comparisons may also be offered. At this point, I am interested in your overall reaction, comments and feedback to these proposed or possible changes. Are you more or less likely to participate in such surveys if they feature the above? Thanks. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kevin at abfprints.com Thu Nov 8 11:05:47 2007 From: kevin at abfprints.com (Kevin Danko) Date: Thu Nov 8 11:10:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing software-I think I gotta switch In-Reply-To: <01d001c8221e$8dca7c80$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <01d001c8221e$8dca7c80$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <009501c82221$3a091cc0$1700a8c0@abf.local> Kelly, we are just purchasing mailing software for the first time. After reviewing all the software you listed below as well as Melissa Data we decided on ACCUZIP. We felt it was the best value for the money and loved their support staff. Kevin Danko Advantage Business Forms 102 N. Riverside Ave. Rialto, CA 92376 Phone: (909) 875-7163 Fax: (909) 875-7971 www.abfprints.com E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 7:47 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing software-I think I gotta switch ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** With the new rules on NCOA for ALL mailings(first class presort and standard) coming up, I think I need to look at switching my mailing software to something other than Mailers+4. I am looking at AccuZIP, BCC(Mail Manager 2010), or Satori Bulk Mailer 5. AccuZip's web price for 3.5 years including unlimited NCOAlink access looks extremely good, but I would like to hear from any of you using AccuZIP(or have used but decided to switch to something else). Thanks, Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kelly@applied-graphics.com www.applied-graphics.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From oren66 at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 8 11:24:27 2007 From: oren66 at sbcglobal.net (Arie Teomi) Date: Thu Nov 8 11:25:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] InfoUSA Message-ID: <608619.88004.qm@web83405.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> It seems like infoUSA is trying to compete with the Printing and Mailing service providers some of which are their own customers. www.zipmailusa.com IMPRESSION DIRECT 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.LastingImpressionDirect.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner From armand at curryonline.com Thu Nov 8 11:57:11 2007 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Thu Nov 8 11:58:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing software-I think I gotta switch In-Reply-To: <01d001c8221e$8dca7c80$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <01d001c8221e$8dca7c80$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <02a601c82228$680678f0$38136ad0$@com> Can't speak for the other packages, but we have been using AccuZip for over 10 years and absolutely have no regrets doing so! Their pricing is very reasonable, the software is good but the best thing about the company is their tech support. Just absolutely phenomenal. I have called them a couple of times and I've never waited more than a couple of minutes before speaking to someone. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 10:47 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing software-I think I gotta switch ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** With the new rules on NCOA for ALL mailings(first class presort and standard) coming up, I think I need to look at switching my mailing software to something other than Mailers+4. I am looking at AccuZIP, BCC(Mail Manager 2010), or Satori Bulk Mailer 5. AccuZip's web price for 3.5 years including unlimited NCOAlink access looks extremely good, but I would like to hear from any of you using AccuZIP(or have used but decided to switch to something else). Thanks, Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kelly@applied-graphics.com www.applied-graphics.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From John at mpcny.com Thu Nov 8 12:13:55 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Thu Nov 8 12:14:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing software-I think I gotta switch In-Reply-To: <20071108155147.11CBCC6586F@rb.enter.net> References: <20071108155147.11CBCC6586F@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <00a501c8222a$be9d9bb0$3bd8d310$@com> Kelly you have heard me for years go on about EFI Printsmith. Well I am Accuzip user and what have you heard me complain about with them? NOTHING! Accuzip is what I model a customer serviced based company on. Steve is the owner can be surely but he and I get a long great. Call and tell him I sad to get a live demo. If you need more features the beta is out and pretty live. You do now pallets and bound matter. The bottom line anything I have ever needed to do I can do fast and simple. If not Accuzip will fix it right then, via phone, live chat or even remote in and show you on your desktop all part of basic fees. The only other program I would ever look at is BCC. They cost a lot more but do a few things that Accuzip does not. (The new version I believe matches all of them now) John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.25/1118 - Release Date: 11/8/2007 9:29 AM From jacemeister at gmail.com Thu Nov 8 12:16:10 2007 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Thu Nov 8 12:17:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing software-I think I gotta switch In-Reply-To: <01d001c8221e$8dca7c80$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <01d001c8221e$8dca7c80$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: > With the new rules on NCOA for ALL mailings(first class presort and > standard) coming up, I think I need to look at switching my mailing software > to something other than Mailers+4. I am looking at AccuZIP, BCC(Mail Manager > 2010), or Satori Bulk Mailer 5. AccuZip's web price for 3.5 years including > unlimited NCOAlink access looks extremely good, but I would like to hear > from any of you using AccuZIP(or have used but decided to switch to > something else). > > Kelly Crom To echo what others have said, AccuZIP6 is easy to learn and use. The biggest issue for me was and is the outstanding support. I've had problems that had nothing to do with their software and they still bent over backwards to help me. That being said, it's been so long I don't remember the differences between AccuZIP6 and other softwares. Thom Guylas of this list can elaborate. He's used several and I think he still subscribes to two of them. -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Thu Nov 8 12:15:52 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Thu Nov 8 12:17:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing software-I think I gotta switch In-Reply-To: <20071108155146.E80FBC6586C@rb.enter.net> References: <20071108155146.E80FBC6586C@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <61db608fb95f189ee659888337a4fdfd@sheergraphics.com> We started some years ago with AccuZip, purchased BCC Mail Manager one year ago, but are returning to AccuZip. Both are less than fully intuitive (Oh! If only software writers would actually see their customers struggle with the poor wording, hidden commands or menus, illogical order of required mouse movements or keystrokes, redundant intermediate windows, and the general lack of meticulous attention to detail that confuses intelligent users.) Smoothness of use is not their fort?, but both have good telephone help. AccuZip's method of laying out the addressing area is akin to InDesign or Quark's. We find that much easier. There are other factors observed months ago, and now forgotten, that prompt us to return to AccuZip. > With the new rules on NCOA for ALL mailings(first class presort and > standard) coming up, I think I need to look at switching my mailing > software > to something other than Mailers+4. I am looking at AccuZIP, BCC(Mail > Manager > 2010), or Satori Bulk Mailer 5. AccuZip's web price for 3.5 years > including > unlimited NCOAlink access looks extremely good, but I would like to > hear > from any of you using AccuZIP(or have used but decided to switch to > something else). Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From zapit at zapcolor.com Thu Nov 8 12:37:01 2007 From: zapit at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez) Date: Thu Nov 8 12:42:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need NCOA on our list In-Reply-To: <20071108170003.D5E0BC65D5A@rb.enter.net> References: <20071108170003.D5E0BC65D5A@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <36ADE81D-4F75-4DDD-B286-8859E3458928@zapcolor.com> I bought a list that I can tell is not perfect for our own mailings, we use Accuzip but don't have the NCOA. Does anyone have that capability and run a list for me, less than 5000 names, and what the price would be? You can email me offline. Thanks > Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Thu Nov 8 12:50:55 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Thu Nov 8 12:53:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing software-I think I gotta switch In-Reply-To: <02a601c82228$680678f0$38136ad0$@com> References: <01d001c8221e$8dca7c80$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <02a601c82228$680678f0$38136ad0$@com> Message-ID: I'm using AccuZip also and love it and the support. The only thing I have had in the past (with First Logic) is will change addresses to match USPS database and AccuZip doesn't. Example: we get a lot of State Road, State Hwy, County Trunk, etc. AccuZip will leave those to be fixed manually and First Logic would change them, automatically, to State Highway or County Road. That is the only thing I miss. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Armand Girard Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 10:57 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Mailing software-I think I gotta switch ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Can't speak for the other packages, but we have been using AccuZip for over 10 years and absolutely have no regrets doing so! Their pricing is very reasonable, the software is good but the best thing about the company is their tech support. Just absolutely phenomenal. I have called them a couple of times and I've never waited more than a couple of minutes before speaking to someone. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 10:47 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing software-I think I gotta switch ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** With the new rules on NCOA for ALL mailings(first class presort and standard) coming up, I think I need to look at switching my mailing software to something other than Mailers+4. I am looking at AccuZIP, BCC(Mail Manager 2010), or Satori Bulk Mailer 5. AccuZip's web price for 3.5 years including unlimited NCOAlink access looks extremely good, but I would like to hear from any of you using AccuZIP(or have used but decided to switch to something else). Thanks, Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kelly@applied-graphics.com www.applied-graphics.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From slb at inkspot.net Thu Nov 8 13:34:54 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu Nov 8 13:35:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] was: InfoUSA, now: mailing list sources In-Reply-To: <608619.88004.qm@web83405.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4733107E.9631.5D63971@slb.inkspot.net> I remember a thread about good sources for mailing lists. Who do you recommend (for lists for customers' mailings)? TIA, Steve > > It seems like infoUSA is trying to compete with the Printing and > Mailing service providers some of which are their own customers. > > www.zipmailusa.com > > > IMPRESSION DIRECT > 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F > Cleveland, OH 44122 > P:216-464-1960 > F:216-464-1660 > > www.LastingImpressionDirect.com > > Your Full Service > PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2646 (20071108) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From smc at sorrentomesa.com Thu Nov 8 13:48:15 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Thu Nov 8 13:52:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] was: InfoUSA, now: mailing list sources In-Reply-To: <4733107E.9631.5D63971@slb.inkspot.net> References: <608619.88004.qm@web83405.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4733107E.9631.5D63971@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <200711081851.lA8IpSk3009213@i2bnetworks.com> I'm a newbie with all this, but these guys made an impressive presentation at Variables. http://www.usadata.com/ No direct experience yet though..... Others will probably know better. S. At 10:34 AM 11/8/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I remember a thread about good sources for mailing lists. Who do you >recommend (for lists for customers' mailings)? > >TIA, >Steve > > > > > > It seems like infoUSA is trying to compete with the Printing and > > Mailing service providers some of which are their own customers. > > > > www.zipmailusa.com > > > > > > IMPRESSION DIRECT > > 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F > > Cleveland, OH 44122 > > P:216-464-1960 > > F:216-464-1660 > > > > www.LastingImpressionDirect.com > > > > Your Full Service > > PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 2646 (20071108) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > >Steve Blatman >Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. >14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA >Tel: 610-647-0776 >Fax: 610-647-4560 > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2646 (20071108) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From segass at heritageprinting.com Thu Nov 8 14:08:47 2007 From: segass at heritageprinting.com (Steve Gass) Date: Thu Nov 8 14:09:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quite Imposing In-Reply-To: <200711081851.lA8IpSk3009213@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <002701c8223a$caf0b7c0$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> Quite Imposing Is it best to run PC or Mac? Or is there no difference? Thanks, Steve Gass Heritage Printing & Mailing 301-475-1700 ext. 205 240-298-0102 From brian at designotype.com Thu Nov 8 15:11:35 2007 From: brian at designotype.com (Brian Helminen) Date: Thu Nov 8 14:11:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Approach to Surveys - Your input requested References: Message-ID: <003701c82243$9030f560$0200a8c0@Brian> We would likely participate as we have in the past. Any survey that I feel we can contribute to and benefit from the information, we will participate. Brian Helminen ----- Original Message ----- > feedback to these proposed or possible changes. Are you more or less > likely to > participate in such surveys if they feature the above? Thanks. > > > From info at aeroprinting.com Thu Nov 8 14:21:20 2007 From: info at aeroprinting.com (Carl Core) Date: Thu Nov 8 14:22:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quite Imposing References: <002701c8223a$caf0b7c0$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> Message-ID: <00f501c8223c$8c9ada80$6501a8c0@aero> Steve: Been using it on the PC for about 5 years with no problems. Don't know about the Mac. Carl Core, Jr. Aero Printing, Inc. 710 Elida Ave Delphos, OH 45833 Ph. 419-695-2931 Fax 419-695-9930 info@aeroprinting.com www.aeroprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gass" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 2:08 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Quite Imposing > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Quite Imposing > > > > Is it best to run PC or Mac? > > > > Or is there no difference? > > > > Thanks, > > Steve Gass > > > > Heritage Printing & Mailing > > 301-475-1700 ext. 205 > > 240-298-0102 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From john at printingplusinc.com Thu Nov 8 14:43:40 2007 From: john at printingplusinc.com (John Steffes) Date: Thu Nov 8 14:44:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing software-I think I gotta switch In-Reply-To: References: <01d001c8221e$8dca7c80$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <02a601c82228$680678f0$38136ad0$@com> Message-ID: <20071108194400.8B229E7B706@smtp35.dc2.safesecureweb.com> It seems to me with the addition of DPV Accuzip now makes those changes. At 12:50 PM 11/8/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I'm using AccuZip also and love it and the support. The only thing I have >had in the past (with First Logic) is will change addresses to match USPS >database and AccuZip doesn't. Example: we get a lot of State Road, State >Hwy, County Trunk, etc. AccuZip will leave those to be fixed manually and >First Logic would change them, automatically, to State Highway or County >Road. That is the only thing I miss. > >Mark Lake >PIP Printing >368 Jefferson Street >Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 >920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax >www.pipsturgeonbay.com >Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com > >To send a file to us, please use the link below >http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Armand Girard >Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 10:57 AM >To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' >Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Mailing software-I think I gotta switch > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Can't speak for the other packages, but we have been using AccuZip for over >10 years and absolutely have no regrets doing so! Their pricing is very >reasonable, the software is good but the best thing about the company is >their tech support. Just absolutely phenomenal. I have called them a couple >of times and I've never waited more than a couple of minutes before speaking >to someone. > > > >Armand Girard >Curry Printing & Mailing >31 Mill St >Auburn, ME 04210 > >email: armand@curryonline.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Crom at Applied >Graphics >Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 10:47 AM >To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' >Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing software-I think I gotta switch > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >With the new rules on NCOA for ALL mailings(first class presort and >standard) coming up, I think I need to look at switching my mailing software >to something other than Mailers+4. I am looking at AccuZIP, BCC(Mail Manager >2010), or Satori Bulk Mailer 5. AccuZip's web price for 3.5 years including >unlimited NCOAlink access looks extremely good, but I would like to hear >from any of you using AccuZIP(or have used but decided to switch to >something else). > >Thanks, > > >Kelly Crom >Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. > >We've Moved!!! >2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 >Plymouth, MN 55441 >New Phone: (763)231-6970 >kelly@applied-graphics.com >www.applied-graphics.com > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners John Steffes Printing Plus Delray Beach, FL 561-272-3013 From dvmonto at optonline.net Thu Nov 8 14:52:04 2007 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Thu Nov 8 14:52:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quite Imposing In-Reply-To: <002701c8223a$caf0b7c0$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> Message-ID: On 11/8/07 2:08 PM, "Steve Gass" wrote: > Is it best to run PC or Mac? > > > > Or is there no difference? I see no noticeable difference. I believe when you purchase Quite Imposing Plus you get both platform version. -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net www.sirspeedy.com/wappingersfalls Debts can be chains, best used when they can haul you to new heights, rather than entangle your legs. It?s the same with possessions. "Man doesn?t possess possessions: they possess us". --Pete Seeger From tim at schreurprinting.com Thu Nov 8 14:58:20 2007 From: tim at schreurprinting.com (Tim Schreur) Date: Thu Nov 8 14:56:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing software-I think I gotta switch In-Reply-To: <009501c82221$3a091cc0$1700a8c0@abf.local> Message-ID: Hello List - I am going to offer mailing as an additional offering from my company. I have just started discussing options with Pitney Bowes for there software and hardware. What are my other options? Who else can I turn to that can help put the necessary pieces together. They seem to have what I need to get going. How have others researched the possibilities? any thoughts would be appreciated. ----------- Tim Schreur President Schreur Printing - Since 1946 "Our tradition is excellence, our technology is state of art" P 616-392-4405 F 616-392-4296 w www.schreurprinting.com From sos at olympus.net Thu Nov 8 15:33:07 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu Nov 8 15:33:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing software-I think I gotta switch References: Message-ID: <040101c82246$9275d4f0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> > I am going to offer mailing as an additional > offering from my company. ===================== Are you sure you want to do that? I've heard others say that mailing is the most profitable part of their business. But I sure can't see how that could be based on my few months offering mailing services. I just spent days doing a mailing, 684 pieces, that with printing the letter, folding, stuffing three pieces, printing the mailing indicia, sorting the data base, printing the addresses, sealing the flaps and hauling to the post office, will bill out at about $275. Meanwhile a $6,000 press job just sits waiting. When I can make $400 to $500 per hour running the press, how can anyone possible justify making $13 per hour on mailings? I'm losing my ass here. If we get many more mailing jobs in, I'll be out of business. Well, I'm off to the post office, (an hour drive there and back) at a $10 charge. Anxious to hear your comments. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Thu Nov 8 15:40:39 2007 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Thu Nov 8 15:40:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing software-I think I gotta switch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47337447.6060406@satx.rr.com> First run as fast and as far as you can get from Pitney Bowes. Then Google Accu-zip and start there for software. Then you can look at Buskro, Kirk-Rudy or Video-Jet and probably a few others for equipment. If you want to get messed over deal with PB. Otherwise get real software and equipment that you can make money with. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Tim Schreur wrote: > Hello List - > I am going to offer mailing as an additional > offering from my company. > I have just started discussing > options with Pitney Bowes for there software and hardware. > What are my other options? > Who else can I turn to that can help put the > necessary pieces together. They seem to have what I need to get going. > > How have others researched the possibilities? > > > > any thoughts would be appreciated. > > ----------- > Tim Schreur > President > > From kellycrom at gmail.com Thu Nov 8 16:22:19 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Thu Nov 8 16:23:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing software-I think I gotta switch In-Reply-To: <040101c82246$9275d4f0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <040101c82246$9275d4f0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <024c01c8224d$725ef0f0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Dan, Maybe you aren't charging enough? I am actually rethinking our mail prep pricing. Our Rena printer was down for 2 weeks waiting on a part, and we had to outsource the mailing to a local mailhouse. Our mistake, we didn't think to get quotes before sending the work out. Our bills from them were higher than we charge our customers for mailing. For one thing, they have a $200 minimum charge on all mail processing(includes list prep/cass/presort and addressing). I think our minimum processing charge comes to about $100(that's on a repeat list) or about $150 for a new list. $10 to deliver to the post office?? We charge a minimum charge of $40(the mailhouse we used was $45) for anything less than a pallet of mail, and $75 minimum for dock truck service(pallets). If you say your customer(s) would balk at a $40 PO delivery, don't tell them, just include it in the "mail processing" fee. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 2:33 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Mailing software-I think I gotta switch > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > I am going to offer mailing as an additional > > offering from my company. > ===================== > > Are you sure you want to do that? > > I've heard others say that mailing is the most profitable > part of their > business. But I sure can't see how that could be based on my > few months > offering mailing services. > I just spent days doing a mailing, 684 pieces, that with printing the > letter, folding, stuffing three pieces, printing the mailing indicia, > sorting the data base, printing the addresses, sealing the > flaps and hauling > to the post office, will bill out at about $275. > Meanwhile a $6,000 press job just sits waiting. > When I can make $400 to $500 per hour running the press, how > can anyone > possible justify making $13 per hour on mailings? > I'm losing my ass here. If we get many more mailing jobs in, > I'll be out of > business. > > Well, I'm off to the post office, (an hour drive there and > back) at a $10 > charge. Anxious to hear your comments. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From John at mpcny.com Thu Nov 8 16:29:48 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Thu Nov 8 16:30:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] S. is wacked on InfoUSA Message-ID: <009301c8224e$7d73be70$785b3b50$@com> Before anyone uses InfoUSA or any of it names (sales genie, www.zipmailusa.com and others) You should read this and think hard about who you are supporting. Mark Roberts once described to some of us how Vin was of the sleaziest operators he ever met. They live near each other... http://www.nriinternet.com/NRIentrepreneurs/USA/A_Z/G/Vin_Gupta/1_Lawsuit_Ag ainst_Gupta.htm I love it when I can show S. he is wrong John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for First, Second and Standard Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.25/1118 - Release Date: 11/8/2007 9:29 AM From ahavens at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 8 16:42:36 2007 From: ahavens at sbcglobal.net (Havens Printing and Copy Shop) Date: Thu Nov 8 16:39:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] was: InfoUSA, now: mailing list sources References: <4733107E.9631.5D63971@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <007401c82250$47bd8570$1a01a8c0@Leah> We have used Best Mailing Lists, Inc. We just buy the multiple usage permit, list the SIC's and have them email the list to us. Their info: 800-692-2378 www.bestmailing.com Austin Havens, Owner Havens Printing & Copy Shop 200 N Main McPherson, KS 67460 620-241-5400 ahavens@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Blatman" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 12:34 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] was: InfoUSA, now: mailing list sources > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I remember a thread about good sources for mailing lists. Who do you > recommend (for lists for customers' mailings)? > > TIA, > Steve > > >> >> It seems like infoUSA is trying to compete with the Printing and >> Mailing service providers some of which are their own customers. >> >> www.zipmailusa.com >> >> >> IMPRESSION DIRECT >> 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F >> Cleveland, OH 44122 >> P:216-464-1960 >> F:216-464-1660 >> >> www.LastingImpressionDirect.com >> >> Your Full Service >> PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> __________ NOD32 2646 (20071108) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From bradw at auburnprint.com Thu Nov 8 16:46:30 2007 From: bradw at auburnprint.com (Brad Weston) Date: Thu Nov 8 16:46:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing software-I think I gotta switch In-Reply-To: <01d001c8221e$8dca7c80$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <01d001c8221e$8dca7c80$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20071108134344.02f62408@192.168.1.1> We use Satori Bulk Mailer 5, they will give you a pretty good competitive discount if you have the licence number of another mailing software. Brad Weston Auburn Printers 13020 Earhart Ave Auburn CA 95602 "Endurance Capitol of the World" 530-885-9674 Phone 530-885-6517 Fax <http://www.auburnprint.com/> >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >With the new rules on NCOA for ALL mailings(first class presort and >standard) coming up, I think I need to look at switching my mailing software >to something other than Mailers+4. I am looking at AccuZIP, BCC(Mail Manager >2010), or Satori Bulk Mailer 5. AccuZip's web price for 3.5 years including >unlimited NCOAlink access looks extremely good, but I would like to hear >from any of you using AccuZIP(or have used but decided to switch to >something else). > >Thanks, > > >Kelly Crom >Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. > >We've Moved!!! >2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 >Plymouth, MN 55441 >New Phone: (763)231-6970 >kelly@applied-graphics.com >www.applied-graphics.com > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners Thanks Brad Weston Auburn Printers 13020 Earhart Ave Auburn CA 95602 "Endurance Capitol of the World" 530-885-9674 Phone 530-885-6517 Fax <http://www.auburnprint.com/> From bradw at auburnprint.com Thu Nov 8 16:50:20 2007 From: bradw at auburnprint.com (Brad Weston) Date: Thu Nov 8 16:50:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] was: InfoUSA, now: mailing list sources In-Reply-To: <200711081851.lA8IpSk3009213@i2bnetworks.com> References: <608619.88004.qm@web83405.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4733107E.9631.5D63971@slb.inkspot.net> <200711081851.lA8IpSk3009213@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20071108134905.050bab00@192.168.1.1> USADATA, I have 6 words "hold on tight to your wallet" Brad Weston Auburn Printers At 10:48 AM 11/8/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >I'm a newbie with all this, but these guys made an impressive presentation >at Variables. > >http://www.usadata.com/ > >No direct experience yet though..... > >Others will probably know better. > >S. > > > >At 10:34 AM 11/8/2007, you wrote: >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>I remember a thread about good sources for mailing lists. Who do you >>recommend (for lists for customers' mailings)? >> >>TIA, >>Steve >> >> >> > >> > It seems like infoUSA is trying to compete with the Printing and >> > Mailing service providers some of which are their own customers. >> > >> > www.zipmailusa.com >> > >> > >> > IMPRESSION DIRECT >> > 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F >> > Cleveland, OH 44122 >> > P:216-464-1960 >> > F:216-464-1660 >> > >> > www.LastingImpressionDirect.com >> > >> > Your Full Service >> > PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner >> > _______________________________________________ >> > PrintOwners Discussion List >> > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > >> > >> > >> > __________ NOD32 2646 (20071108) Information __________ >> > >> > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> > http://www.eset.com >> > >> > >> >>Steve Blatman >>Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. >>14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA >>Tel: 610-647-0776 >>Fax: 610-647-4560 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >>__________ NOD32 2646 (20071108) Information __________ >> >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>http://www.eset.com > >_____________________________________________ > >Scott Cappel > >Sorrento Mesa Printing >7398 Trade Street >San Diego, CA 92121-2422 >858-527-0800 >858-527-1740 FAX >http://www.sorrentomesa.com > >Direct Links for Learning: >http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html >http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html >http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > >Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider >Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider >Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level >Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > >Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mkb1 at good-impressions.com Thu Nov 8 16:51:27 2007 From: mkb1 at good-impressions.com (Marian Bredin) Date: Thu Nov 8 16:52:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing software-I think I gotta switch In-Reply-To: <040101c82246$9275d4f0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <20071108215230.6B1D1C66EBD@rb.enter.net> >> When I can make $400 to $500 per hour running the press, how can anyone possible justify making $13 per hour on mailings? I'm losing my ass here. If we get many more mailing jobs in, I'll be out of business. Well, I'm off to the post office, (an hour drive there and back) at a $10 charge. Anxious to hear your comments. << Well, for starters, we can get to the post office in 3-5 minutes with a minimum charge of $25. Our total charge to import, validate, presort the list, address, package and deliver to post office would be $93.02. We could probably do all that in 30-45 minutes. Folding and printing are done at your regular price. If hand inserting is involved we usually send it out to a handicapped workshop. For a job that small, we would probably keep it in. We would charge $62. Marian Marian Bredin Good Impressions Inc 325 W Washington Ave. Washington, NJ 07882 908-689-3071 Fax: 908-689-7369 http://www.good-impressions.com From thom at acepm.com Thu Nov 8 17:05:34 2007 From: thom at acepm.com (thom@acepm.com) Date: Thu Nov 8 17:06:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing software-I think I gotta switch Message-ID: <36945.192.168.1.71.1194559534.webmail@192.168.1.71> Dan, Are you SURE you want to hear our comments? PS... we would all be nice, but I don't think you really do want to hear them.... Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing [http://www.acepm.com] www.acepm.com -----Original Message----- From: Dan Huntingford Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 3:33pm To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Mailing software-I think I gotta switch ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > I am going to offer mailing as an additional > offering from my company. ===================== Are you sure you want to do that? I've heard others say that mailing is the most profitable part of their business. But I sure can't see how that could be based on my few months offering mailing services. I just spent days doing a mailing, 684 pieces, that with printing the letter, folding, stuffing three pieces, printing the mailing indicia, sorting the data base, printing the addresses, sealing the flaps and hauling to the post office, will bill out at about $275. Meanwhile a $6,000 press job just sits waiting. When I can make $400 to $500 per hour running the press, how can anyone possible justify making $13 per hour on mailings? I'm losing my ass here. If we get many more mailing jobs in, I'll be out of business. Well, I'm off to the post office, (an hour drive there and back) at a $10 charge. Anxious to hear your comments. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From brianoday at eprint.us Thu Nov 8 17:57:11 2007 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Thu Nov 8 17:58:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] InfoUSA In-Reply-To: <608619.88004.qm@web83405.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <608619.88004.qm@web83405.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <017d01c8225a$b2887ef0$800101df@eprint.local> Yes they are they purchased a local online printing co that prints for real estate agents, Amway and a few other niche markets. They had 4 indigo presses, laminators and cutters. I was in the shop once and they had a neat operation. By the way I like your new name Brian O'Day ePrint 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Arie Teomi Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:24 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] InfoUSA ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** It seems like infoUSA is trying to compete with the Printing and Mailing service providers some of which are their own customers. www.zipmailusa.com IMPRESSION DIRECT 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.LastingImpressionDirect.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Thu Nov 8 18:08:53 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu Nov 8 18:09:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing software-I think I gotta switch References: <36945.192.168.1.71.1194559534.webmail@192.168.1.71> Message-ID: <046501c8225c$55178700$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Are you SURE you want to hear our comments? PS... we would all be nice, but I don't think you really do want to hear them.... Thom Gulyas ====================== Like I haven't been ripped up one side and down the other on this list. But hey, it's the price you pay to learn. But remember I'm not trying to be a full blown mailing house like you Thom. Just a small printshop trying to extend it's service. But truly, I can't see how you could possibly make a profit, hand inserting, hand sealing envelopes, charging a nickel to address. Especially when customers expect to SAVE money by letting you send it out at standard rates. I picked up a list of charges from Nancy Deidimar, the mailing goddess so I think I'm in the ballpark on most. Most of our mailings will be 201 to maybe 2000 pieces. And to make matters even worse, I bought out an existing one man mail shop, and am now the proud owner of Pitney Bowes Smart Mailer software and a DA400 addresser. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Thu Nov 8 18:29:01 2007 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Thu Nov 8 18:29:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing software-I think I gotta switch In-Reply-To: <046501c8225c$55178700$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <36945.192.168.1.71.1194559534.webmail@192.168.1.71> <046501c8225c$55178700$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <47339BBD.8020906@satx.rr.com> Let's see. 25/M to address. 25.00 basic file handling fee 5.00 to Run CASS and NCOA 20/M for the first insert into the envelope and 2.50/M for each additional (Hoping they don't have more than the 6 we have stations for) the inserter seals them. and the whole job takes no more than 2 hours in the plant. That's how you make money. We do have a 125.00 minimum. Hand inserting is done as a hourly thing at 15.00 per hour for as long as it takes. Some announcements are not machine insertable. The machine needs 1/4 inch clearance and a lot of announcements come in with just enough to get it in the envelope. Those take time and I expect the client to pay for it. I'm way too cheap to spend a day doing hand work for little reward. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Dan Huntingford wrote: > > > Are you SURE you want to hear our comments? > PS... we would all be nice, but I don't think you really do want to > hear them.... > Thom Gulyas > > ====================== > > Like I haven't been ripped up one side and down the other on this > list. But hey, it's the price you pay to learn. > But remember I'm not trying to be a full blown mailing house like you > Thom. Just a small printshop trying to extend it's service. > But truly, I can't see how you could possibly make a profit, hand > inserting, hand sealing envelopes, charging a nickel to address. > Especially when customers expect to SAVE money by letting you send it > out at standard rates. I picked up a list of charges from Nancy > Deidimar, the mailing goddess so I think I'm in the ballpark on most. > > Most of our mailings will be 201 to maybe 2000 pieces. > And to make matters even worse, I bought out an existing one man mail > shop, and am now the proud owner of Pitney Bowes Smart Mailer software > and a DA400 addresser. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Thu Nov 8 18:54:10 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 8 18:54:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] S. is wacked on InfoUSA Message-ID: Hey John. Are you saying that there is something wrong with this company? Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From acepm2 at gmail.com Thu Nov 8 21:24:09 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Thu Nov 8 21:24:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing Printer In-Reply-To: <205816.5086.qm@web83404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <205816.5086.qm@web83404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Arie, Ok pal... you owe me $10 and I owe Trump $5. :) Years ago I purchased Dennis' old unit and it was one of the best moves I ever made. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On 11/8/07, Arie Teomi wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I agree with Thom. In fact I listened to Thom and Got my Netjet Kirk-Rudy. This machine changed our Mailing Department and the way we provide Mailing Services to our clients. We can now do things that we could not do in the past. Make sure you get a powerful dryer - we have 6000 Watt and we run aqeuous coated stock with no problem. > > Arie Teomi > LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT > 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F > Cleveland, OH 44122 > P:216-464-1960 > F:216-464-1660 > > www.LastingImpressionDirect.com > > Your Full Service > PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Thom Gulyas > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 5:43:37 AM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Mailing Printer > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Charles, > > Thats easy. www.KirkRudy.com. > > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > www.acepm.com > > > > > On 11/7/07, Charles A. Lincoln wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > We need a faster printer for our mailing department (30k or faster). > > What would you recommend? Where is the best source? > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > > > Charles Lincoln > > ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY > > 612 30th Avenue > > Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 > > (907) 451-1111 > > fax (907) 451-4511 > > > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > -- > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > Berlin, Maryland 21811 > www.acepm.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From oren66 at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 8 21:44:26 2007 From: oren66 at sbcglobal.net (Arie Teomi) Date: Thu Nov 8 21:44:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing Printer Message-ID: <613534.19506.qm@web83412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thom, I will gladly pay you the $10.00 and I will even refund the $5.00 that you owe Dennis. Arie Teomi LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.LastingImpressionDirect.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner ----- Original Message ---- From: Thom Gulyas To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 9:24:09 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Mailing Printer ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Arie, Ok pal... you owe me $10 and I owe Trump $5. :) Years ago I purchased Dennis' old unit and it was one of the best moves I ever made. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On 11/8/07, Arie Teomi wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I agree with Thom. In fact I listened to Thom and Got my Netjet Kirk-Rudy. This machine changed our Mailing Department and the way we provide Mailing Services to our clients. We can now do things that we could not do in the past. Make sure you get a powerful dryer - we have 6000 Watt and we run aqeuous coated stock with no problem. > > Arie Teomi > LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT > 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F > Cleveland, OH 44122 > P:216-464-1960 > F:216-464-1660 > > www.LastingImpressionDirect.com > > Your Full Service > PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Thom Gulyas > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 5:43:37 AM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Mailing Printer > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Charles, > > Thats easy. www.KirkRudy.com. > > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > www.acepm.com > > > > > On 11/7/07, Charles A. Lincoln wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > We need a faster printer for our mailing department (30k or faster). > > What would you recommend? Where is the best source? > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > > > Charles Lincoln > > ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY > > 612 30th Avenue > > Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 > > (907) 451-1111 > > fax (907) 451-4511 > > > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > -- > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > Berlin, Maryland 21811 > www.acepm.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kellycrom at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 00:23:12 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Fri Nov 9 00:42:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing software-I think I gotta switch In-Reply-To: <046501c8225c$55178700$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <36945.192.168.1.71.1194559534.webmail@192.168.1.71> <046501c8225c$55178700$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <029601c82290$a06815b0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Dan, On the small mailings, your selling convenience, not postage savings. Sell your customers on "what is it worth?" to not have to stuff, seal, address, and mail themselves. If they don't have somebody in their office who can spare the time to do all that, then price is no longer the issue, and you can charge more than you are now. Also, sell the mailing as a single job. You shouldn't be selling the printing and then also giving the price for stuffing, sealing, mailing. Give the customer one price that includes everything. If they ask for separate pricing for printing and mailing, then give it to them, but not before they ask(our customers usually never do). Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 5:09 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Mailing software-I think I gotta switch > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Are you SURE you want to hear our comments? > PS... we would all be nice, but I don't think you really do > want to hear > them.... > Thom Gulyas > > ====================== > > Like I haven't been ripped up one side and down the other on > this list. But > hey, it's the price you pay to learn. > But remember I'm not trying to be a full blown mailing house > like you Thom. > Just a small printshop trying to extend it's service. > But truly, I can't see how you could possibly make a profit, > hand inserting, > hand sealing envelopes, charging a nickel to address. > Especially when > customers expect to SAVE money by letting you send it out at > standard rates. > I picked up a list of charges from Nancy Deidimar, the > mailing goddess so I > think I'm in the ballpark on most. > > Most of our mailings will be 201 to maybe 2000 pieces. > And to make matters even worse, I bought out an existing one > man mail shop, > and am now the proud owner of Pitney Bowes Smart Mailer > software and a DA400 > addresser. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From acepm2 at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 07:08:45 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Fri Nov 9 07:09:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing software-I think I gotta switch In-Reply-To: References: <01d001c8221e$8dca7c80$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: Thank you my "Ragin' Cajun Friend!" Kelly, there are a few schools of thought on the mailing software issues. As Jace pointed out, yes, I do own TWO different mailing software packages currently: BCC & AccuZip. Why? Currently AccuZip offers unlimited NCOA which is a $$$$ saver. We live in a resort area and consequently NCOA plays a large part in my mailing business. The businesses that we mail for give us lists that have been compiled over the past few years which are, basically, a mess! The very first thing that happens with any list that we are given is a cleaning through NCOA (unless specifically requested NOT to do so; for instance with a Bank or Medical office.) I will say that perhaps for the most common user, AccuZip would be a fine selection of software. It will do "exactly" what you need to have done; process mailings. That being said, I have been processing mailings for 22 years. There are others here on the list that have been doing it as long, if not longer (Dennis Trump for instance). I've used only three software packages in this time. AccuZip has let me down however on large mailings. There were times that we processed mailings of substantial quantities (over 50K records), processed the output file to the inkjet only to find that the file did not come out in the requested presort order. This did NOT happen just once nor was I able to have AccuZip give me solid response for a fix for this. I finally got to the point that I just could not trust the ability to presort. I had problems, albeit in the past, that the 3602's were not being calculated correctly. As have others reading this post who also use Accuzip. If you have ever tried to do a mail merge using AccuZip, it can be a daunting task. Can you setup the file to use a label template inside of AccuZip to print to? Yes you can. But you would be better suited to try and find a needle in a haystack. To say it is difficult to set this up is being nice. Imagine having 50,000 letters to mail merge. You want to mail merge this project two up on a digital device. You also want it to print sheet one as 1 & 25,000, sheet two as 2 & 25,001, etc. Good luck. It takes too long to do this using AccuZip. The label and tag layout features are too cumbersome to change quickly. Add to the fact that if you are using VISTA, trying to find the files "to" change will leave you scratching your head. But that is another story. Wiith BCC you have a WYSIWYG screen for layouts. We have one job that we do for a congressman that has several offices in our district. Depending upon where you live in proximity to what office determines which lettter you get during the mail merge. I'm not using another package to output these files to, I'm using everything inside BCC. As I print the thousands of letters I need, BCC checks the "OFFICE" field and grabs the correct master to presort and print. This is an imperative ability to have to help your clients save money. Otherwise you could end up with multiple small mailings thereby wasting any ability to save postage; does not make sense at all! BCC offers the software and support that you need if you want to become serious about mailing. (That statement is sure to get me flamed, but whatever.) The versatility in BCC far outshines any other package on the market hands down. The staff is EXTREMELY responsive to customers as is AccuZip. Cost? You bet BCC is expensive. We spend about $4,000.00 a year with modules. So what? It is a cost of doing business. I don't have time to "Mickey Mouse" the jobs that come in. I need them to be cleaned and processed. One nice feature of BCC is a little add on called TaskMaster. It allows you to run a job automatically from file import to completion with the use of hot folders. Kelly, I guess it is all where you want to position yourself in the market place. I have to say that there are many folks who use both packages as I do; I did not invent that idea. It is done merely to help costs. But you have to do what is good for your business. Can you print 4C with an old Multi? Yes you can. Would you want to? Probably not. Same with mailing software. Get what works well for you and go for it. Dennis Trump? any additional info. you want to put in here? Good luck in whatever you choose to do and let us know if you need any further help. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On 11/8/07, Jace Prejean wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > With the new rules on NCOA for ALL mailings(first class presort and > > standard) coming up, I think I need to look at switching my mailing software > > to something other than Mailers+4. I am looking at AccuZIP, BCC(Mail Manager > > 2010), or Satori Bulk Mailer 5. AccuZip's web price for 3.5 years including > > unlimited NCOAlink access looks extremely good, but I would like to hear > > from any of you using AccuZIP(or have used but decided to switch to > > something else). > > > > Kelly Crom > > > > To echo what others have said, AccuZIP6 is easy to learn and use. The > biggest issue for me was and is the outstanding support. I've had > problems that had nothing to do with their software and they still > bent over backwards to help me. > > That being said, it's been so long I don't remember the differences > between AccuZIP6 and other softwares. Thom Guylas of this list can > elaborate. He's used several and I think he still subscribes to two of > them. > -- > Jace Prejean > Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc > 922 Sunset Ave > Houma, LA 70360 > Phone 985-868-8273 > > www.BayouPrinting.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Fri Nov 9 09:03:14 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Fri Nov 9 09:04:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing software-I think I gotta switch In-Reply-To: <20071108194400.8B229E7B706@smtp35.dc2.safesecureweb.com> References: <01d001c8221e$8dca7c80$6d01a8c0@KELLY><02a601c82228$680678f0$38136ad0$@com> <20071108194400.8B229E7B706@smtp35.dc2.safesecureweb.com> Message-ID: No it doesn't. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Steffes Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 1:44 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Mailing software-I think I gotta switch ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** It seems to me with the addition of DPV Accuzip now makes those changes. From ron at printingconcepts.com Fri Nov 9 09:08:53 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Fri Nov 9 09:09:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Business Card Slitters Message-ID: I seem to recall a business card slitter that was offered that did both bleed and non-bleeding cards. It had a slitting shaft that popped in and out with the different configurations back and forth. Anybody have one of these and like to share your experience? Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From segass at heritageprinting.com Fri Nov 9 11:52:26 2007 From: segass at heritageprinting.com (Steve Gass) Date: Fri Nov 9 11:53:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Comparing samples from Xerox iGen and KM6500 In-Reply-To: <002701c8223a$caf0b7c0$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> Message-ID: <00d301c822f0$e8cca400$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> I need to see the quality difference between the iGen (or equi) and the KM6500. I would like to email a PDF file of a cover and have somebody calibration their machine and print on 12x18 #80 Gloss cover. If you would be willing to help me out with this please call or e-mail me Thanks, Steve Gass Heritage Printing & Mailing Leonardtown, Maryland Cell: 240-298-0102 1-888-777-9776 prepress@heritageprinting.com From segass at heritageprinting.com Fri Nov 9 12:10:36 2007 From: segass at heritageprinting.com (Steve Gass) Date: Fri Nov 9 12:11:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Comparing samples from Xerox iGen and KM6500 In-Reply-To: <00d301c822f0$e8cca400$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> Message-ID: <00dc01c822f3$7241c790$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> One last thing, I have a KM6500 for the past 6 months having samples of comparable units (iGen) would help my sales team. Thanks again, Steve Gass Heritage Printing & Mailing Leonardtown, Maryland Cell: 240-298-0102 1-888-777-9776 prepress@heritageprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Gass Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 11:52 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: SPAM-LOW: [PrintOwners] Comparing samples from Xerox iGen and KM6500 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I need to see the quality difference between the iGen (or equi) and the KM6500. I would like to email a PDF file of a cover and have somebody calibration their machine and print on 12x18 #80 Gloss cover. If you would be willing to help me out with this please call or e-mail me Thanks, Steve Gass Heritage Printing & Mailing Leonardtown, Maryland Cell: 240-298-0102 1-888-777-9776 prepress@heritageprinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri Nov 9 12:11:42 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri Nov 9 12:15:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Comparing samples from Xerox iGen and KM6500 In-Reply-To: <00d301c822f0$e8cca400$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> References: <002701c8223a$caf0b7c0$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> <00d301c822f0$e8cca400$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> Message-ID: <200711091714.lA9HEu6n004306@i2bnetworks.com> I'm curious too. Send me IGen samples and I'll send you back 6500/CREO samples. S. At 08:52 AM 11/9/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >I need to see the quality difference between the iGen (or equi) and the >KM6500. > >I would like to email a PDF file of a cover and have somebody calibration >their machine and print on 12x18 #80 Gloss cover. > >If you would be willing to help me out with this please call or e-mail me > >Thanks, >Steve Gass > >Heritage Printing & Mailing >Leonardtown, Maryland >Cell: 240-298-0102 >1-888-777-9776 >prepress@heritageprinting.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2650 (20071109) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Fri Nov 9 12:38:04 2007 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Fri Nov 9 12:38:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Challenge Titan 265 & Titan 200 Cutters In-Reply-To: <00d301c822f0$e8cca400$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> References: <00d301c822f0$e8cca400$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> Message-ID: <2AAF73EF-119C-4A79-B92E-359633F0FAD2@bellsouth.net> It is time to replace our old cutter, about a 30 year old Challenge 19" hydraulic cutter. I know the popular choice is Polar, but we do not use it enough to justify it. In addition I have no need to cut bigger sheets than what the 26.5" Titan 265 will handle. This size would be an upgrade compared to the 19". I have a quote on the Titan 265 of $18995 and a price for the Titan 200 of $13795. I have seen a demo on Youtube, looked at specs, etc and it seems this will more than suit our needs and be a significant upgrade. Does anyone have either of these machines? If so, what do you see as the pros & cons. I have been told the Titan 200 has all of the features of the Titan 265 with the only difference being the maximum paper size. I would probably spend the extra $5200 for the bigger width, but I can be talked out of it! Any input is greatly appreciated.... Thanks, Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 From david.doost at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 12:56:40 2007 From: david.doost at gmail.com (David Doost) Date: Fri Nov 9 12:57:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Challenge Titan 265 & Titan 200 Cutters In-Reply-To: <2AAF73EF-119C-4A79-B92E-359633F0FAD2@bellsouth.net> References: <00d301c822f0$e8cca400$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> <2AAF73EF-119C-4A79-B92E-359633F0FAD2@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <47349f64.4301360a.35cc.3f92@mx.google.com> Ben, We have the 265 - it is now going to be our back-up cutter. We bought ours about 3 years ago for about $1k less than your quote. I would rate it as average to slightly above average. >From what you are describing I think it would be adequate for your needs. I would also look into the Polar 66 -it is the equivalent but much better machine than the Challenge. Not sure what it costs new but I have seen one before on the used market for less than $15K. http://tinyurl.com/3xfzyk David Doost Printing Impression 1200 Barrett Parkway Suite 4 Kennesaw, GA 30144 770-422-8766 www.printingimpression.net -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ben Travis Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:38 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Challenge Titan 265 & Titan 200 Cutters ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** It is time to replace our old cutter, about a 30 year old Challenge 19" hydraulic cutter. I know the popular choice is Polar, but we do not use it enough to justify it. In addition I have no need to cut bigger sheets than what the 26.5" Titan 265 will handle. This size would be an upgrade compared to the 19". I have a quote on the Titan 265 of $18995 and a price for the Titan 200 of $13795. I have seen a demo on Youtube, looked at specs, etc and it seems this will more than suit our needs and be a significant upgrade. Does anyone have either of these machines? If so, what do you see as the pros & cons. I have been told the Titan 200 has all of the features of the Titan 265 with the only difference being the maximum paper size. I would probably spend the extra $5200 for the bigger width, but I can be talked out of it! Any input is greatly appreciated.... Thanks, Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri Nov 9 12:53:29 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri Nov 9 12:58:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Challenge Titan 265 & Titan 200 Cutters In-Reply-To: <2AAF73EF-119C-4A79-B92E-359633F0FAD2@bellsouth.net> References: <00d301c822f0$e8cca400$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> <2AAF73EF-119C-4A79-B92E-359633F0FAD2@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <200711091757.lA9HvvFp013004@i2bnetworks.com> FYI, you probably already know this but Titan's have hydraulic cutting and clamping, just like a Challenge. So you're not fundamentally improving on your equipment. If you can get past the idea of a new machine, your price range puts you in the zone of a nice used Polar 30" and it will be the last cutter you'll ever have to buy. And no hydraulics to blow up on you, just a nice big flywheel to keep things humming. The Titan looks like a toy http://tinyurl.com/yvsv6o compared to a good used Polar. Just my opinion here, so no darts OK? Just trying to help a friend make a good decision. S. At 09:38 AM 11/9/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >It is time to replace our old cutter, about a 30 year old Challenge >19" hydraulic cutter. > >I know the popular choice is Polar, but we do not use it enough to >justify it. In addition I have no need to cut bigger sheets than what >the 26.5" Titan 265 will handle. This size would be an upgrade >compared to the 19". > >I have a quote on the Titan 265 of $18995 and a price for the Titan >200 of $13795. I have seen a demo on Youtube, looked at specs, etc >and it seems this will more than suit our needs and be a significant >upgrade. > >Does anyone have either of these machines? If so, what do you see as >the pros & cons. > >I have been told the Titan 200 has all of the features of the Titan >265 with the only difference being the maximum paper size. I would >probably spend the extra $5200 for the bigger width, but I can be >talked out of it! > >Any input is greatly appreciated.... > >Thanks, >Ben Travis > >Copy Express >4004-A South Blvd. >Charlotte, NC 20209 >cpyxpres@bellsouth.net >704-527-1750 > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2650 (20071109) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From kevin at proprinters.ca Fri Nov 9 12:58:04 2007 From: kevin at proprinters.ca (Kevin at PRO Printers) Date: Fri Nov 9 12:59:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Challenge Titan 265 & Titan 200 Cutters References: <00d301c822f0$e8cca400$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> <2AAF73EF-119C-4A79-B92E-359633F0FAD2@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <00cf01c822fa$13848740$6600a8c0@promerivale1> We have had our Titan 265 for nearly a year and are extremely happy with it. It has only needed one small adjustment since being setup. Very easy to use and very productive. We were encouraged to buy a Polar, but, like you, just couldn't justify the extra expense. We also upgraded from a 19". I don't think we have ever had the need to cut something larger than the Titan can handle. Having the 26.5" width can really speed things up as you willl not have to rely on your paper merchant for cutting to press size. As an aside, our second shop purchased a used Polar 66 in the summer. An excellent machine too, less noisy than the Titan, but no more productive. If you're not a 3 shift operation, I would give the nod to the Titan. Perhaps the Polar will outlast the Titan, but I plan to retire before that happens anyways. Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Travis" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:38 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Challenge Titan 265 & Titan 200 Cutters > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > It is time to replace our old cutter, about a 30 year old Challenge 19" > hydraulic cutter. > > I know the popular choice is Polar, but we do not use it enough to > justify it. In addition I have no need to cut bigger sheets than what the > 26.5" Titan 265 will handle. This size would be an upgrade compared to > the 19". > > I have a quote on the Titan 265 of $18995 and a price for the Titan 200 > of $13795. I have seen a demo on Youtube, looked at specs, etc and it > seems this will more than suit our needs and be a significant upgrade. > > Does anyone have either of these machines? If so, what do you see as the > pros & cons. > > I have been told the Titan 200 has all of the features of the Titan 265 > with the only difference being the maximum paper size. I would probably > spend the extra $5200 for the bigger width, but I can be talked out of > it! > > Any input is greatly appreciated.... > > Thanks, > Ben Travis > > Copy Express > 4004-A South Blvd. > Charlotte, NC 20209 > cpyxpres@bellsouth.net > 704-527-1750 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From bob at rjmprinting.com Fri Nov 9 13:07:13 2007 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Fri Nov 9 13:08:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Challenge Titan 265 & Titan 200 Cutters In-Reply-To: <200711091757.lA9HvvFp013004@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: Having had a couple of Challenge cutters and now a Polar I would definitely agree with Scott. The other factor you may want to consider is that Polar's tend to hold their value, which, if you do ever need to go bigger is a nice plus. Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 11:53 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Challenge Titan 265 & Titan 200 Cutters ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** FYI, you probably already know this but Titan's have hydraulic cutting and clamping, just like a Challenge. So you're not fundamentally improving on your equipment. If you can get past the idea of a new machine, your price range puts you in the zone of a nice used Polar 30" and it will be the last cutter you'll ever have to buy. And no hydraulics to blow up on you, just a nice big flywheel to keep things humming. The Titan looks like a toy http://tinyurl.com/yvsv6o compared to a good used Polar. Just my opinion here, so no darts OK? Just trying to help a friend make a good decision. S. At 09:38 AM 11/9/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >It is time to replace our old cutter, about a 30 year old Challenge >19" hydraulic cutter. > >I know the popular choice is Polar, but we do not use it enough to >justify it. In addition I have no need to cut bigger sheets than what >the 26.5" Titan 265 will handle. This size would be an upgrade >compared to the 19". > >I have a quote on the Titan 265 of $18995 and a price for the Titan >200 of $13795. I have seen a demo on Youtube, looked at specs, etc >and it seems this will more than suit our needs and be a significant >upgrade. > >Does anyone have either of these machines? If so, what do you see as >the pros & cons. > >I have been told the Titan 200 has all of the features of the Titan >265 with the only difference being the maximum paper size. I would >probably spend the extra $5200 for the bigger width, but I can be >talked out of it! > >Any input is greatly appreciated.... > >Thanks, >Ben Travis > >Copy Express >4004-A South Blvd. >Charlotte, NC 20209 >cpyxpres@bellsouth.net >704-527-1750 > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2650 (20071109) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jeff at hprinting.biz Fri Nov 9 13:11:50 2007 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Fri Nov 9 13:12:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Challenge Titan 265 & Titan 200 Cutters In-Reply-To: <00cf01c822fa$13848740$6600a8c0@promerivale1> References: <00d301c822f0$e8cca400$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> <2AAF73EF-119C-4A79-B92E-359633F0FAD2@bellsouth.net> <00cf01c822fa$13848740$6600a8c0@promerivale1> Message-ID: <20071109181153.14993.32432@hm-pop1.solinus.com> At 12:58 PM 11/9/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We have had our Titan 265 for nearly a year and >are extremely happy with it. It has only needed >one small adjustment since being setup. Very >easy to use and very productive. We were >encouraged to buy a Polar, but, like you, just >couldn't justify the extra expense. We also >upgraded from a 19". I don't think we have ever >had the need to cut something larger than the >Titan can handle. Having the 26.5" width can >really speed things up as you willl not have to >rely on your paper merchant for cutting to press size. > >As an aside, our second shop purchased a used >Polar 66 in the summer. An excellent machine >too, less noisy than the Titan, but no more >productive. If you're not a 3 shift operation, I >would give the nod to the Titan. Perhaps the >Polar will outlast the Titan, but I plan to retire before that happens anyways. We have an Titan 265 and it has been a good cutter. We had 1 major repair in 6 years. We had bought it used. Last Dec. we bought a Polar 92E. No comparison. The Polar is much faster. It probably weighs 3-4 times as much (it also cuts larger sheets). We went with the size is the 36" ones are built better than the 30". Many jobs we can reduce our cut time by 40% or more. Programming is much better to. It makes an excellent show piece when giving tours. We show how we cut postcards down and with it in automatic mode it is impressive. We bought it used for $30,000. Should have done it years ago. The reason we didn't is our Titan 265 was a big improvement over our previous 26" Challenge and we didn't know how good cutting could be. As another printer says "it is better to buy a used Cadillac than a new Yugo". Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From slb at inkspot.net Fri Nov 9 13:34:22 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Fri Nov 9 13:34:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Challenge Titan 265 & Titan 200 Cutters In-Reply-To: <20071109181153.14993.32432@hm-pop1.solinus.com> References: <00cf01c822fa$13848740$6600a8c0@promerivale1> Message-ID: <473461DE.24435.AFC1908@slb.inkspot.net> As > another printer says "it is better to buy a used Cadillac than a new Yugo". > Of course, you could also buy a used Chevy, and it might still be a signifiicant improvement over what you have. We used to have a 30" Challenge (green, from the 60s), with power backguage and hydraulic clamp & cut. We upgraded to a newer, but still used, 30" programmable Challenge. A used Polar would have been great, but the Challenge was only $3000 (from a local shop going out of business), and having any kind of programmable cutter is so big an improvement over a nonprogrammable that we haven't noticed the nuances... Someday, we'll probably buy a used Polar, but right now we have a couple of other needs for the money (like an inserter...). YMMV, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From info at aeroprinting.com Fri Nov 9 13:42:54 2007 From: info at aeroprinting.com (Carl Core) Date: Fri Nov 9 13:43:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Challenge Titan 265 & Titan 200 Cutters References: <00d301c822f0$e8cca400$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> <2AAF73EF-119C-4A79-B92E-359633F0FAD2@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <018b01c82300$57509490$6501a8c0@aero> Does your facility have 3 phase electrical service? If I'm not mistaken, all the Polars require it. If you don't, you'll have to add the cost of a phase converter (and the noise of another motor running) to the Polar's price.The utility companies generally won"t rewire you for just one piece of equipment, at least not for free. :( Carl Core, Jr. Aero Printing, Inc. 710 Elida Ave Delphos, OH 45833 Ph. 419-695-2931 Fax 419-695-9930 info@aeroprinting.com www.aeroprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Travis" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:38 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Challenge Titan 265 & Titan 200 Cutters > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > It is time to replace our old cutter, about a 30 year old Challenge 19" > hydraulic cutter. > > I know the popular choice is Polar, but we do not use it enough to > justify it. In addition I have no need to cut bigger sheets than what the > 26.5" Titan 265 will handle. This size would be an upgrade compared to > the 19". > > I have a quote on the Titan 265 of $18995 and a price for the Titan 200 > of $13795. I have seen a demo on Youtube, looked at specs, etc and it > seems this will more than suit our needs and be a significant upgrade. > > Does anyone have either of these machines? If so, what do you see as the > pros & cons. > > I have been told the Titan 200 has all of the features of the Titan 265 > with the only difference being the maximum paper size. I would probably > spend the extra $5200 for the bigger width, but I can be talked out of > it! > > Any input is greatly appreciated.... > > Thanks, > Ben Travis > > Copy Express > 4004-A South Blvd. > Charlotte, NC 20209 > cpyxpres@bellsouth.net > 704-527-1750 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From brianoday at eprint.us Fri Nov 9 13:58:50 2007 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Fri Nov 9 14:00:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Challenge Titan 265 & Titan 200 Cutters In-Reply-To: <018b01c82300$57509490$6501a8c0@aero> References: <00d301c822f0$e8cca400$6a1da8c0@BIGdell><2AAF73EF-119C-4A79-B92E-359633F0FAD2@bellsouth.net> <018b01c82300$57509490$6501a8c0@aero> Message-ID: <01b401c82302$90d6eb90$800101df@eprint.local> For what it is worth in 2000 my 8 year old challenge cutter died! I splurged and bought a new polar and a new stall folder. Now 7 years later both machines look and act like new, no maintenance problems, highly productive and I see no reason to upgrade for the next 5 years. :) They are paid for and look just like the current model. Looking back I feel my equipment cost is far cheaper than if I had purchased cheaper equipment. We love the polar! Brian O'Day ePrint 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Carl Core Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:43 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Challenge Titan 265 & Titan 200 Cutters ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Does your facility have 3 phase electrical service? If I'm not mistaken, all the Polars require it. If you don't, you'll have to add the cost of a phase converter (and the noise of another motor running) to the Polar's price.The utility companies generally won"t rewire you for just one piece of equipment, at least not for free. :( Carl Core, Jr. Aero Printing, Inc. 710 Elida Ave Delphos, OH 45833 Ph. 419-695-2931 Fax 419-695-9930 info@aeroprinting.com www.aeroprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Travis" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:38 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Challenge Titan 265 & Titan 200 Cutters > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > It is time to replace our old cutter, about a 30 year old Challenge 19" > hydraulic cutter. > > I know the popular choice is Polar, but we do not use it enough to > justify it. In addition I have no need to cut bigger sheets than what the > 26.5" Titan 265 will handle. This size would be an upgrade compared to > the 19". > > I have a quote on the Titan 265 of $18995 and a price for the Titan 200 > of $13795. I have seen a demo on Youtube, looked at specs, etc and it > seems this will more than suit our needs and be a significant upgrade. > > Does anyone have either of these machines? If so, what do you see as the > pros & cons. > > I have been told the Titan 200 has all of the features of the Titan 265 > with the only difference being the maximum paper size. I would probably > spend the extra $5200 for the bigger width, but I can be talked out of > it! > > Any input is greatly appreciated.... > > Thanks, > Ben Travis > > Copy Express > 4004-A South Blvd. > Charlotte, NC 20209 > cpyxpres@bellsouth.net > 704-527-1750 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ron at printingconcepts.com Fri Nov 9 16:38:41 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Fri Nov 9 16:31:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Challenge Titan 265 & Titan 200 Cutters In-Reply-To: <20071109181153.14993.32432@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Message-ID: As another printer says "it is better to buy a used Cadillac than a new Yugo". And that would be me Jeff, if you want to give attribution :). I wouldn't put the Titan in the same class as a Yugo, which was pretty bad. Nonetheless, when you are doing an ROI on a piece of equipment, part of your calculations should include residual value. These aren't real numbers, but to illustrate Polar New $50,000 end value $30,000 difference $20,000 Brand X New $40,000 end value $10,000 diff $30,000 So with Brand X, you actually are, spending more in the end than with Polar. Of course the number of years you hang onto it must be factored in, which, with a cutter, can be considerable. Nonetheless, there is something to be said that your cost of ownership might be lower with the Polar. I have seen ridiculously high prices at auctions for used Polars. I am not a H-berg groupie, we have plenty of off-brand equipment, just in this area Polar's values are so high that to ignore residual value ignores a significant part of the equation. Equipment value also can be critical if you need to collaterlize a loan for something else. I've been happy when the appraiser came and looked at my Polars and was glad an off-brand wasn't in their place. We just bought a new 45" and have a 6 year old one. I was surprised when the operators told me that the new one is much more productive than even the six year old one, they look identical but the software is greatly improved. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Jeff Haines Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 1:12 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Challenge Titan 265 & Titan 200 Cutters ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** At 12:58 PM 11/9/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We have had our Titan 265 for nearly a year and >are extremely happy with it. It has only needed >one small adjustment since being setup. Very >easy to use and very productive. We were >encouraged to buy a Polar, but, like you, just >couldn't justify the extra expense. We also >upgraded from a 19". I don't think we have ever >had the need to cut something larger than the >Titan can handle. Having the 26.5" width can >really speed things up as you willl not have to >rely on your paper merchant for cutting to press size. > >As an aside, our second shop purchased a used >Polar 66 in the summer. An excellent machine >too, less noisy than the Titan, but no more >productive. If you're not a 3 shift operation, I >would give the nod to the Titan. Perhaps the >Polar will outlast the Titan, but I plan to retire before that happens anyways. We have an Titan 265 and it has been a good cutter. We had 1 major repair in 6 years. We had bought it used. Last Dec. we bought a Polar 92E. No comparison. The Polar is much faster. It probably weighs 3-4 times as much (it also cuts larger sheets). We went with the size is the 36" ones are built better than the 30". Many jobs we can reduce our cut time by 40% or more. Programming is much better to. It makes an excellent show piece when giving tours. We show how we cut postcards down and with it in automatic mode it is impressive. We bought it used for $30,000. Should have done it years ago. The reason we didn't is our Titan 265 was a big improvement over our previous 26" Challenge and we didn't know how good cutting could be. As another printer says "it is better to buy a used Cadillac than a new Yugo". Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jeff at hprinting.biz Fri Nov 9 16:41:09 2007 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Fri Nov 9 16:41:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Challenge Titan 265 & Titan 200 Cutters In-Reply-To: References: <20071109181153.14993.32432@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Message-ID: <20071109214111.23347.11587@hm-pop1.solinus.com> At 04:38 PM 11/9/2007, you wrote: >As another printer says "it is better to buy a used Cadillac than a new >Yugo". > >And that would be me Jeff, if you want to give attribution :). Ron, I knew it was you and figured it would get your attention. I've learned to listen when Ron talks though he has jump ship on presses and bookletmaker after I followed his advice. But I was in the market for used and there weren't any used of what he purchased available. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From tim at schreurprinting.com Fri Nov 9 19:42:33 2007 From: tim at schreurprinting.com (Tim Schreur) Date: Fri Nov 9 19:40:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] getting into mailing In-Reply-To: <47337447.6060406@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: Dennis - Thanks for the candid response. What is your experience with PB that you would offer such advice? Would you recommend a dealer for the equipment or contact the manufacture. At this stage in my research I am not sure if my need calls for table top type or a higher production equipment. I can see that adding mailing strengthens my position in my market. Any advise would be appreciated. ----------- Tim Schreur President Schreur Printing - Since 1946 "Our tradition is excellence, our technology is state of art" P 616-392-4405 F 616-392-4296 w www.schreurprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Ewing [mailto:dennisewing@satx.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:41 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Mailing software-I think I gotta switch First run as fast and as far as you can get from Pitney Bowes. Then Google Accu-zip and start there for software. Then you can look at Buskro, Kirk-Rudy or Video-Jet and probably a few others for equipment. If you want to get messed over deal with PB. Otherwise get real software and equipment that you can make money with. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Tim Schreur wrote: > Hello List - > I am going to offer mailing as an additional > offering from my company. > I have just started discussing > options with Pitney Bowes for there software and hardware. > What are my other options? > Who else can I turn to that can help put the > necessary pieces together. They seem to have what I need to get going. > > How have others researched the possibilities? > > > > any thoughts would be appreciated. > > ----------- > Tim Schreur > President > > From craig at newhavenprint.com Sat Nov 10 10:10:10 2007 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Sat Nov 10 10:08:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printer's Plan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20071110150816.7021EC6EC41@rb.enter.net> OK, PP gurus, we're decided to switch partly since PP is giving a nice PrintSmith user discount. What I'd like to know is how many of you are using the Scheduler and Time Tracker. I would like to use the bar coding capabilities, but I have some questions. Do you have a terminal/license at each workstation? Do you use the bar code reader only to move jobs, or do you have to also input keystrokes? Are you using QuickSale instead of a cash register? Shipping labels? JobTracker? Inquiring minds need to know. ;-) TIA, Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.49 P.S. I asked about this on the other list since I knew of several users on that list that I thought would be using bar coding, but no responses. Do most people just get the basic package and not use the scheduling or job tracking capabilities of Printer's Plan? Just curious. From jeff at hprinting.biz Sat Nov 10 10:18:10 2007 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Sat Nov 10 10:18:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printer's Plan In-Reply-To: <20071110150816.7021EC6EC41@rb.enter.net> References: <20071110150816.7021EC6EC41@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <20071110151812.15194.19762@hm-pop1.solinus.com> At 10:10 AM 11/10/2007, you wrote: >OK, PP gurus, we're decided to switch partly since PP is giving a nice >PrintSmith user discount. What I'd like to know is how many of you are using >the Scheduler and Time Tracker. I would like to use the bar coding >capabilities, but I have some questions. Do you have a terminal/license at >each workstation? Do you use the bar code reader only to move jobs, or do >you have to also input keystrokes? Are you using QuickSale instead of a cash >register? Shipping labels? JobTracker? Inquiring minds need to know. Congratulations on the change. We aren't as large of a shop so we don't have need of as many extras. Generally I schedule everything and keep it in my mind. When I'm not here I give direction to our other CSR to keep everything running smoothly. I will on occasion when we start to get really backed up use the Schedule/Update tool for press work only to keep in mind what all is schedule for each press. But I haven't purchased the Scheduler and Time Tracker as I feel it would take more time for us to use that it would save. We don't do a lot of walk in sales. We issue a little receipt to the customer and put the cash in the drawer. Now shipping labels is something we use and really like. We feel it is nice for the customer to quickly be able to see what is in the box, how many they are, when they ordered it, their PO # and to know to call us for a reorder. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From craig at newhavenprint.com Sat Nov 10 10:28:09 2007 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Sat Nov 10 10:26:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printer's Plan In-Reply-To: <20071110151812.15194.19762@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Message-ID: <20071110152612.7A0D6C6ED60@rb.enter.net> > Congratulations on the change. We aren't as large of a shop > so we don't have need of as many extras. Generally I schedule > everything and keep it in my mind. When I'm not here I give > direction to our other CSR to keep everything running > smoothly. I will on occasion when we start to get really > backed up use the Schedule/Update tool for press work only to > keep in mind what all is schedule for each press. But I > haven't purchased the Scheduler and Time Tracker as I feel it > would take more time for us to use that it would save. Thanks for the response Jeff. You've been to our shop (although I don't think you've been here since the expansion, iGen and mailing department). Do you think the scheduler and bar coding would fit us or is it just busywork that can be handled better by manual scheduling. Thanks, Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From jeff at hprinting.biz Sat Nov 10 10:57:54 2007 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Sat Nov 10 10:58:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printer's Plan In-Reply-To: <20071110152612.7A0D6C6ED60@rb.enter.net> References: <20071110151812.15194.19762@hm-pop1.solinus.com> <20071110152612.7A0D6C6ED60@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <20071110155756.19436.24963@hm-pop1.solinus.com> At 10:28 AM 11/10/2007, you wrote: >Thanks for the response Jeff. You've been to our shop (although I don't >think you've been here since the expansion, iGen and mailing department). Do >you think the scheduler and bar coding would fit us or is it just busywork >that can be handled better by manual scheduling. I've never really looked in it the scheduling. I don't know how you do it now. There are only 7 of us here so it easy to do manually. By doing it manually I can easily rearrange the schedule to accommodate customers demands. We don't hold production meetings. About 1/2 the time the pressman comes and ask what to run next and the other 1/2 I take him plates and a work order so he knows what to do next. I may tell the one guy in the morning who does mostly bindery work what I see as some of the priority jobs to do for the day. Otherwise he may look around the bindery to see what is there waiting to do. I suppose when you get bigger you have to have the manager in each department who are responsible to see that jobs move through their department in a timely manner so it can ship on time. From the little I know about scheduler I think it looks like an electronic version of what some might do manually on a board. Sometimes it seems easier to make changes to a manual board, but I would think that if there are computers in each department and the department manager kept in their info up to date that the electronic one would be nicer. If a customer calls and asks when they can expect their job the CSR could check the computer while talking to them and see where it is and give them a better idea. But that might be based on the way I work and if they say they really want it tomorrow I say that will work and go push the job through. The department mangers probably don't want the CSR coming and saying I move the schedule up on this, now meet the schedule. When I've printed a work schedule on occasion I've given it to an employee and listed the items to do in order and tell them to mark it off when done. If we were larger I think we would do this more often and then update the information towards the end of the day so we can make a new schedule in the morning to pass out for each employee. If you had did barcoding readers then I think it would be better as you would always have current up to date info instead of only at the end of the dya. To try and schedule each employee's time based on the jobs seems to require very accurate production times. The employee might see that is ahead of the schedule and goof off since he is only trying to get the days work done or might complain that because of problems it is impossible to keep up to the schedule. If he falls behind it will mess up the timing of jobs behind what he is doing and cause problems. I think you might be able to do a 30 or 60 day trial to see if you find it worthwhile. So in short I think I could see some real benefits for a larger shop if you can force everyone to use it all the time and keep the information current. I think I would seriously look at it if I had more employees and department mangers who were responsible for the work moving through there departments. I would also have to force myself not to override the department manager to move work through though I think that is an advantage we have compared to our larger competition. We try to be very responsive and accommodating to our customer needs. It's one of our strong selling points. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From QKCONSULT at aol.com Sat Nov 10 15:27:23 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Sat Nov 10 15:27:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printer's Plan Message-ID: In a message dated 11/10/2007 10:27:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, craig@newhavenprint.com writes: Thanks for the response Jeff. You've been to our shop (although I don't think you've been here since the expansion, iGen and mailing department). Do you think the scheduler and bar coding would fit us or is it just busywork that can be handled better by manual scheduling. I'm not sure about the job-tracking in PP, but one of the overlooked advantages of job scheduling, especially one involving bar-codes and wanding into and out of a department, is the ability to do job-costing. When I say job-costing I don't necessarily mean for that job, but for future jobs and basic production data back into an estimating system. Many of the systems I have seen in use out there allow not only for logging a job into a department but also tracking exactly how long a job actually takes once the operator scans the job and begins to work on it... he can start the job, suspend the job and then finally wand it again when it is finished. This is especially useful in tracking bindery jobs and all sorts of other labor intensive services.... i.e. wire-o 400 books, including punching and binding. Track a few of these types of jobs (as well as folding, drilling, etc.) and you get a very accurate feel for revising time estimates for these types of operations.... sometimes you will find your estimating system is estimating too fast and at other times too slow. John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt and myself. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From brian at designotype.com Sat Nov 10 19:12:58 2007 From: brian at designotype.com (Brian Helminen) Date: Sat Nov 10 18:12:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printer's Plan References: <20071110150816.7021EC6EC41@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <00e801c823f7$9d55a870$0200a8c0@Brian> Craig: We use the shipping labels option that includes re-order forms. We do not use scheduling or job tracker because we are too small for that. Our csr pretty much knows at all times where each job is and can put her hands on it right away if needed. We have a 5 user license, but I think the basic version allows 5, but I'm not sure. We use it on only 3 computers in the shop and I sometimes log in remotely. Right now we are trying out Key Customers... a $1500 add on to allow your best customers limited access to their history, invoices, jobs in progress and they can enter new orders. WE like the program, have had it for perhaps 10 years. It's capable of lots more than we use. Brian Helminen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Dellinger" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:10 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Printer's Plan > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > OK, PP gurus, we're decided to switch partly since PP is giving a nice > PrintSmith user discount. What I'd like to know is how many of you are > using > the Scheduler and Time Tracker. I would like to use the bar coding > capabilities, but I have some questions. Do you have a terminal/license at > each workstation? Do you use the bar code reader only to move jobs, or do > you have to also input keystrokes? Are you using QuickSale instead of a > cash > register? Shipping labels? JobTracker? Inquiring minds need to know. > ;-) > From cpurvine1 at cox.net Sat Nov 10 20:11:41 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Sat Nov 10 20:16:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Calendar hangers Message-ID: <007601c823ff$d172bf50$6401a8c0@corapurvine> www.spiralbinding.com Has the calendar hangers that someone was looking for. Sorry to cross post, but don't remember who was looking for them. Here is what they say about their hangers: ____________________________________________________________ Millions of calendars of every shape and size are Wire-OR bound and most incorporate the convenient calendar hanger in the thumbcut. Hangers are used to support calendars and wallcharts. They are offered in several sizes and are available loose or on reels _____________________________________________________ Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From brian at designotype.com Mon Nov 12 08:03:52 2007 From: brian at designotype.com (Brian Helminen) Date: Mon Nov 12 08:04:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printer's Plan References: <20071110150816.7021EC6EC41@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <042101c8252c$79cdd360$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Craig: Just to be sure you're aware, there is a weekly schedule that you can print out with the basic version. We print it every morning first thing. It shows all of the un-scheduled jobs on the top of the list...i.e. ones that have not had a due date assigned. Below that it lists the late jobs, if any, next jobs due today etc... It's all we and most smaller shops need, you may need to see blocks of time needed for each job which I think the full blown scheduler would do. Brian Helminen Designotype Printers, Inc. 22950 Airpark Blvd. Calumet, MI 49913 906-482-2424 Fax 906-482-2266 www.designotype.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Dellinger" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 10:10 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Printer's Plan > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > OK, PP gurus, we're decided to switch partly since PP is giving a nice > PrintSmith user discount. What I'd like to know is how many of you are > using > the Scheduler and Time Tracker. I would like to use the bar coding > capabilities, but I have some questions. Do you have a terminal/license at > each workstation? Do you use the bar code reader only to move jobs, or do > you have to also input keystrokes? Are you using QuickSale instead of a > cash > register? Shipping labels? JobTracker? Inquiring minds need to know. > ;-) > From tammie at macombprinter.com Mon Nov 12 08:01:30 2007 From: tammie at macombprinter.com (Tammie at Quickprinters) Date: Mon Nov 12 09:06:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Security Paper In-Reply-To: <007601c823ff$d172bf50$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: I'm looking for a security paper that has the following traits: Security Paper for Local Registrars and County Clerks for the Electronic Death Registration System? It has 7 security features. 1) 24#OCR bond paper 2) Three family chemical sensitivity 3) Invisible fluorescent security fibers 4) Toner retention 5) Warning band on face 6) VOID pantograph 7) Micro Printed line on face and back This is for a county health department for their death certificates. Can anyone supply these printed maybe? The paper is 8.5 x 11, and the printing bleeds off all four sides with a "Goes" type border. Thanks, Tammie Tammie Speer, owner **************** Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ______________________________ QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com/ A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ Or call for a FREE CD full of information. ______________________________ From david.galle at prodigy.net Mon Nov 12 12:24:41 2007 From: david.galle at prodigy.net (David Galle) Date: Mon Nov 12 12:26:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Imagesetter for CTP? Message-ID: After studying CTP devices for the small shop I have narrowed my search to two choices. The first is the Mitsubishi SDP Eco 1630 III for around $32,000+ and the other is a refurbished Agfa Advantra 25 imagesetter converted to poly plate with an on line processor. The refurbished Advantra with new Harlequin rip is available from Genesis-Equipment Co, Phoenix, and would be half the price of the Eco 1630. Is anyone using an Avantra for this purpose and do you have any advice or pros/cons on another brand/model imagesetter? We will be using plates for a Ryobi 3302 and landscape Hamada, which needs a 15" wide plate. Thank you, Dave Galle Letter Suite Printing 625 S Smith Rd. Tempe, AZ 85281 480-947-8390 From TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com Mon Nov 12 12:34:14 2007 From: TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com (Tom King) Date: Mon Nov 12 12:35:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source for Coupon Books Message-ID: <000001c82552$3e4cb6a0$bae623e0$@com> 2.5 x 7.5 or similar. Coupons are perforated to tear out. Coupons black ink one side. 140 coupons. 1,000 quantity. We would normally do a job like this in-house with a single stitch on the left, but for this job each book will have 140 coupons - two thick for us to staple. Can anyone suggest a good source. Or do you want to quote on it? Thanks! Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com From printer at ptialaska.net Mon Nov 12 12:37:51 2007 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Mon Nov 12 12:38:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Imagesetter for CTP? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 12, 2007, at 8:24 AM, David Galle wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > After studying CTP devices for the small shop I have narrowed my > search to > two choices. The first is the Mitsubishi SDP Eco 1630 III for around > $32,000+ and the other is a refurbished Agfa Advantra 25 imagesetter REPLY: We love the ECO. Reliable, great plates, small footprint and low chemical useage (hence ECO). We have had it for about 18 months and make plates for a QM-46. I would steer away from a converted imagesetter... _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From john at printingplusinc.com Mon Nov 12 13:06:22 2007 From: john at printingplusinc.com (John Steffes) Date: Mon Nov 12 13:07:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Imagesetter for CTP? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20071112180646.C361ADD5512@smtp45.dc2.safesecureweb.com> Seems like a lot of money. I got mine 5 years ago for $9,000.00. There is no "conversion" involved. Just put the proper chemicals in the processor, load the plate material & go. Our processor has 3.5 gallon tanks therefore it uses lots of chemistry. Also, 3-4 ft of plate material is wasted with each roll change. Service very expensive. We are a low volume user and it has worked out for us. Just be aware of the above. At 12:24 PM 11/12/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >After studying CTP devices for the small shop I have narrowed my search to >two choices. The first is the Mitsubishi SDP Eco 1630 III for around >$32,000+ and the other is a refurbished Agfa Advantra 25 imagesetter >converted to poly plate with an on line processor. The refurbished Advantra >with new Harlequin rip is available from Genesis-Equipment Co, Phoenix, and >would be half the price of the Eco 1630. Is anyone using an Avantra for >this purpose and do you have any advice or pros/cons on another brand/model >imagesetter? > >We will be using plates for a Ryobi 3302 and landscape Hamada, which needs a >15" wide plate. > >Thank you, > >Dave Galle >Letter Suite Printing >625 S Smith Rd. >Tempe, AZ 85281 >480-947-8390 >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners John Steffes Printing Plus Delray Beach, FL 561-272-3013 From sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com Mon Nov 12 13:12:54 2007 From: sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com (Travis) Date: Mon Nov 12 13:16:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Challenge Titan 265 & Titan 200 Cutters In-Reply-To: <2AAF73EF-119C-4A79-B92E-359633F0FAD2@bellsouth.net> References: <00d301c822f0$e8cca400$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> <2AAF73EF-119C-4A79-B92E-359633F0FAD2@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <000f01c82557$a6cc79e0$f4656da0$@com> This summer we purchased a Titan 265, and we are extremely happy with it. It is an upgrade from our OLD electric Triumph stack cutter. Things I like Onboard computer / programming Air table Large cutting surface Fast, Reliable, and accurate (compared to what we had) Things I don't like How easily the electric safety eye is tripped (clothing, small gut, a women's chest - not trying to be crude, but these can all trip the sensor really easily) The electric eye safety feature takes some getting used to, but once you know how you are blocking it, it's easy to check yourself and move. Hope this answers your question. Travis Lewis Date-Line Digital Printing Fairbanks, Alaska -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ben Travis Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 8:38 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Challenge Titan 265 & Titan 200 Cutters ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** It is time to replace our old cutter, about a 30 year old Challenge 19" hydraulic cutter. I know the popular choice is Polar, but we do not use it enough to justify it. In addition I have no need to cut bigger sheets than what the 26.5" Titan 265 will handle. This size would be an upgrade compared to the 19". I have a quote on the Titan 265 of $18995 and a price for the Titan 200 of $13795. I have seen a demo on Youtube, looked at specs, etc and it seems this will more than suit our needs and be a significant upgrade. Does anyone have either of these machines? If so, what do you see as the pros & cons. I have been told the Titan 200 has all of the features of the Titan 265 with the only difference being the maximum paper size. I would probably spend the extra $5200 for the bigger width, but I can be talked out of it! Any input is greatly appreciated.... Thanks, Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From acepm2 at gmail.com Mon Nov 12 14:06:30 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Mon Nov 12 14:07:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source for Coupon Books In-Reply-To: <000001c82552$3e4cb6a0$bae623e0$@com> References: <000001c82552$3e4cb6a0$bae623e0$@com> Message-ID: I cannot get in touch with my client at the moment, however, she prints about 10,000 family coupon books from a place in Chicago. Same basic setup as you have. I'll try to get up with her this week. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Nov 12, 2007 12:34 PM, Tom King wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > 2.5 x 7.5 or similar. Coupons are perforated to tear out. Coupons black > ink > one side. 140 coupons. 1,000 quantity. > > > > We would normally do a job like this in-house with a single stitch on the > left, but for this job each book will have 140 coupons - two thick for us > to > staple. > > > > Can anyone suggest a good source. Or do you want to quote on it? > > > > Thanks! > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From acepm2 at gmail.com Mon Nov 12 14:06:30 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Mon Nov 12 14:18:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source for Coupon Books In-Reply-To: <000001c82552$3e4cb6a0$bae623e0$@com> References: <000001c82552$3e4cb6a0$bae623e0$@com> Message-ID: I cannot get in touch with my client at the moment, however, she prints about 10,000 family coupon books from a place in Chicago. Same basic setup as you have. I'll try to get up with her this week. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Nov 12, 2007 12:34 PM, Tom King wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > 2.5 x 7.5 or similar. Coupons are perforated to tear out. Coupons black > ink > one side. 140 coupons. 1,000 quantity. > > > > We would normally do a job like this in-house with a single stitch on the > left, but for this job each book will have 140 coupons - two thick for us > to > staple. > > > > Can anyone suggest a good source. Or do you want to quote on it? > > > > Thanks! > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From owner at latsons.com Mon Nov 12 14:40:33 2007 From: owner at latsons.com (Dick Latson) Date: Mon Nov 12 14:39:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials Message-ID: <200711121938.lACJcY7c022611@pro35.abac.com> I am wondering how those of you that saw this reacted to it. I am very disturbed by it. It describes one of our graphic artist perfectly . In fact I had made up my mind to fire the kid first thing Monday. After I saw this Sunday night it has forced me to re-think. Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: owner@latsons.com www.latsons.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Nov 12 14:52:52 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Nov 12 14:53:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials In-Reply-To: <200711121938.lACJcY7c022611@pro35.abac.com> References: <200711121938.lACJcY7c022611@pro35.abac.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0711121152v723b1476g34510d713b105a6e@mail.gmail.com> On Nov 12, 2007 2:40 PM, Dick Latson wrote: > > I am wondering how those of you that saw this reacted to it. I am > very disturbed by it. It makes one want to hurry up and retire, rather than have to accept this as a fact of life. I don't yet accept this as being so; I cannot imagine that I would tolerate it. And the ridiculousness of the company whose employees are portrayed romping around in costume did little to convince me that this is the new norm. Yes, it was mightily disturbing. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Mon Nov 12 14:55:42 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Mon Nov 12 14:57:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials Message-ID: What is this all about? Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From owner at latsons.com Mon Nov 12 15:12:24 2007 From: owner at latsons.com (Dick Latson) Date: Mon Nov 12 15:11:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200711122010.lACKAPp1079612@pro35.abac.com> http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3486473n At 01:55 PM 11/12/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >What is this all about? > > > >Tommy Melendez > > >Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. >3612 E. Tremont Avenue >Bronx, N.Y. 10465 >NAQP Member #1031539 >718.904.7760 >718.892.2315 Fax >_www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) > > > > > > >************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: owner@latsons.com www.latsons.com From bob at rjmprinting.com Mon Nov 12 15:10:23 2007 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Mon Nov 12 15:11:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials In-Reply-To: <200711121938.lACJcY7c022611@pro35.abac.com> Message-ID: It also fits one of my graphic artists. My CSR, in her 40's, just complained that he was surfing the net at work and said "we don't have time for that". But what she doesn't understand is that he may be surfing the net to solve an issue we are having. Of course he also could be just surfing.... Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dick Latson Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 1:41 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I am wondering how those of you that saw this reacted to it. I am very disturbed by it. It describes one of our graphic artist perfectly . In fact I had made up my mind to fire the kid first thing Monday. After I saw this Sunday night it has forced me to re-think. Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: owner@latsons.com www.latsons.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Mon Nov 12 15:15:26 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Mon Nov 12 15:19:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials In-Reply-To: <200711121938.lACJcY7c022611@pro35.abac.com> References: <200711121938.lACJcY7c022611@pro35.abac.com> Message-ID: <200711122018.lACKIgmZ055244@i2bnetworks.com> I have a millennial for one of my CSR's. I hired her because she was smart, had a lot of bandwidth, and all of her references (she was from Washington State) wish she'd come back. I thought that 60 minutes segment was very biased toward large companies/corporate culture and not to small businesses that make up the bulk of the jobs in this country. More liberal / New York centric "reporting" showing the extreme side of the "millenial culture". I think there's nothing wrong with coaching your staff, but if you need coddling or if Mummy's not happy with your raise, go work for someone else. If you're having a respect problem, or an employee who is not following your wishes...millenial or not...they're fired. S. At 11:40 AM 11/12/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I am wondering how those of you that saw this reacted to it. I am >very disturbed by it. It describes one of our graphic >artist perfectly . In fact I had made up my mind to fire the kid >first thing Monday. After I saw this Sunday night it has forced me >to re-think. > >Dick Latson >Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. >1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 >Commerce, Texas 75428 >(903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 >email: owner@latsons.com >www.latsons.com >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2653 (20071112) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Mon Nov 12 15:30:56 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Mon Nov 12 15:32:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials Message-ID: I've had problems in the past with employees using their cell phones to talk & text. They know if they use them that they are to be used strictly for emergency use ONLY! That they are to placed them on vibrate or silent. I do not want to hear them go off, especially when they are taking care of clients. I am in process of firing one of these individuals just cause I keep finding her checking her cell from time to time. There is always something to do than to check who is calling. If this is wrong by me, than I say &**) that. I pay well so they should provide me the courtesy of respecting my authority. Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From acepm2 at gmail.com Mon Nov 12 15:16:52 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Mon Nov 12 15:45:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here you go Tommy! http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/08/60minutes/main3475200.shtml Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Nov 12, 2007 2:55 PM, wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > What is this all about? > > > > Tommy Melendez > > > Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. > 3612 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > NAQP Member #1031539 > 718.904.7760 > 718.892.2315 Fax > _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From list at interiorgraphics.com Mon Nov 12 15:53:34 2007 From: list at interiorgraphics.com (Michelle at Interior Graphics) Date: Mon Nov 12 15:54:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0D4CC79F-5529-48B5-BB6C-B92D582C7ED7@interiorgraphics.com> I found this segment really interesting. The problem for me is that there are only four of us in the shop, and if one can't pull the weight, I just don't have time for it. I give them a little bit, and try to "coach" them into the way work should be, but if they aren't cutting it, they have to go. And, I tell them in the interview that if they aren't making it they are going to go. But, I'm not big corporate either. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michelle Maynor "Your Personal Printer" Interior Graphics & Printing 770 8th Avenue Fairbanks, AK 99701 907.456.4982 phone 907.452.6992 fax "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the most." - John Ruskin From ed at graphicprintersinc.com Mon Nov 12 16:14:41 2007 From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce) Date: Mon Nov 12 16:15:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials In-Reply-To: <0D4CC79F-5529-48B5-BB6C-B92D582C7ED7@interiorgraphics.com> Message-ID: <01e201c82571$0bb2f9b0$5a01a8c0@fileserver> I think it is really going to be an eye opener for those kids when they reach management level and are held accountable for profits and productivity. How did we become a nation of child worshippers that raised kids that can do no wrong? And who gives out trophies just for showing up? Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michelle at Interior Graphics Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:54 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I found this segment really interesting. The problem for me is that there are only four of us in the shop, and if one can't pull the weight, I just don't have time for it. I give them a little bit, and try to "coach" them into the way work should be, but if they aren't cutting it, they have to go. And, I tell them in the interview that if they aren't making it they are going to go. But, I'm not big corporate either. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michelle Maynor "Your Personal Printer" Interior Graphics & Printing 770 8th Avenue Fairbanks, AK 99701 907.456.4982 phone 907.452.6992 fax "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the most." - John Ruskin _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2653 (20071112) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From acepm2 at gmail.com Mon Nov 12 14:06:30 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Mon Nov 12 16:18:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source for Coupon Books In-Reply-To: <000001c82552$3e4cb6a0$bae623e0$@com> References: <000001c82552$3e4cb6a0$bae623e0$@com> Message-ID: I cannot get in touch with my client at the moment, however, she prints about 10,000 family coupon books from a place in Chicago. Same basic setup as you have. I'll try to get up with her this week. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Nov 12, 2007 12:34 PM, Tom King wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > 2.5 x 7.5 or similar. Coupons are perforated to tear out. Coupons black > ink > one side. 140 coupons. 1,000 quantity. > > > > We would normally do a job like this in-house with a single stitch on the > left, but for this job each book will have 140 coupons - two thick for us > to > staple. > > > > Can anyone suggest a good source. Or do you want to quote on it? > > > > Thanks! > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From armand at curryonline.com Mon Nov 12 16:18:39 2007 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Mon Nov 12 16:20:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials In-Reply-To: <0D4CC79F-5529-48B5-BB6C-B92D582C7ED7@interiorgraphics.com> References: <0D4CC79F-5529-48B5-BB6C-B92D582C7ED7@interiorgraphics.com> Message-ID: <028a01c82571$981c68f0$c8553ad0$@com> My manager struggles with this constantly. She's almost 50 and we have a couple of "millenials" on staff that fit the CBS story to a tee. I tell my manager that she has only one question to answer to determine whether she keeps them or replaces them: "Would the company be better off with them or without them?". While this sounds like a very simple question, it isn't. It's a loaded question that requires much thought. So far we've kept them. That could change eventually, though. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michelle at Interior Graphics Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 3:54 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I found this segment really interesting. The problem for me is that there are only four of us in the shop, and if one can't pull the weight, I just don't have time for it. I give them a little bit, and try to "coach" them into the way work should be, but if they aren't cutting it, they have to go. And, I tell them in the interview that if they aren't making it they are going to go. But, I'm not big corporate either. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michelle Maynor "Your Personal Printer" Interior Graphics & Printing 770 8th Avenue Fairbanks, AK 99701 907.456.4982 phone 907.452.6992 fax "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the most." - John Ruskin _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dave at goldentriangleprinting.com Mon Nov 12 16:22:58 2007 From: dave at goldentriangleprinting.com (Dave) Date: Mon Nov 12 16:24:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials References: <01e201c82571$0bb2f9b0$5a01a8c0@fileserver> Message-ID: <001001c82572$32923040$0201a8c0@GTP01> We are in a high tech area and I see things that I would not put up with. They also start them off at high wages which only compounds the situation. Alot of the original employees of Research In Motion are now millionairs. They have unrealistic expectations Dave Golden Triangle Printing 80 Baffin Pl Unit 1 Waterloo, Ontario N2V 1Z7 Ph. 519-725-1414 Fax. 519-725-2051 sales@goldentriangleprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Pierce" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:14 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I think it is really going to be an eye opener for those kids when they > reach management level and are held accountable for profits and > productivity. > > How did we become a nation of child worshippers that raised kids that can > do > no wrong? And who gives out trophies just for showing up? > > > Ed Pierce > Graphic Print & Communication > Meridian MS > 601-485-7088 > ed@graphicprintersinc.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michelle at > Interior > Graphics > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:54 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I found this segment really interesting. The problem for me is that > there are only four of us in the shop, and if one can't pull the > weight, I just don't have time for it. I give them a little bit, and > try to "coach" them into the way work should be, but if they aren't > cutting it, they have to go. And, I tell them in the interview that > if they aren't making it they are going to go. But, I'm not big > corporate either. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Michelle Maynor > "Your Personal Printer" > Interior Graphics & Printing > 770 8th Avenue > Fairbanks, AK 99701 > 907.456.4982 phone > 907.452.6992 fax > > "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the > most." - John Ruskin > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2653 (20071112) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Mon Nov 12 16:25:40 2007 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Mon Nov 12 16:26:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials In-Reply-To: <01e201c82571$0bb2f9b0$5a01a8c0@fileserver> References: <01e201c82571$0bb2f9b0$5a01a8c0@fileserver> Message-ID: <4738C4D4.3090607@sugarloafprint.com> Didn't we say the same thing back in the 60s? Geesh! When are these kids going to come up with something new! -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From championprinting at yahoo.com Mon Nov 12 16:31:36 2007 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Mon Nov 12 16:32:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials Message-ID: <880085.89805.qm@web38914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm with you Michael. If that becomes the norm, we're done. I've sent 2 of them (in graphics/prepress) packing because: 1. wasted time 2. no desire to learn 3. could not come to work on time 4. no interest in our business I cannot imagine being so desperate for employees that I will ever tolerate this lackadaisical behavior. Both appeared to have the educational qualifications to do the job and seemed anxious to get the job, which was about the extent of their effort. Both made the other employees angry because of all the reasons stated above. However, I'm not sure I woud blame Fred Rogers for this. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Michael Vogel To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:52:52 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Nov 12, 2007 2:40 PM, Dick Latson wrote: > > I am wondering how those of you that saw this reacted to it. I am > very disturbed by it. It makes one want to hurry up and retire, rather than have to accept this as a fact of life. I don't yet accept this as being so; I cannot imagine that I would tolerate it. And the ridiculousness of the company whose employees are portrayed romping around in costume did little to convince me that this is the new norm. Yes, it was mightily disturbing. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com From sos at olympus.net Mon Nov 12 16:41:57 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Nov 12 16:42:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials References: Message-ID: <079b01c82574$d96973e0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> I keep > finding her checking her cell from time to time. There is always > something to do > than to check who is calling. If this is wrong by me, than I say &**) > that. > I pay well so they should provide me the courtesy of respecting my > authority. ====================== Some people use their cell phones as a pocket watch. Pull it out, flip it open, check the time, put it back. Neither of my kids have any interest in wearing a wrist watch, like many young people they have a clock in their cell. Just a minor point. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com Mon Nov 12 16:56:14 2007 From: kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com (Kirk Squiers) Date: Mon Nov 12 16:56:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] PrintSmith Users in the $500-750,000 range Message-ID: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111D937@fpserver.FP.local> John, As you know, I am in Lansing, He could drive up for a day and sit in with my staff if he would like. Kirk K. Squiers Central Michigan Graphics 1200 E. Oakland Lansing, Michigan 48906 www.centralmichigangraphics.com 517-230-8600 kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:12 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] PrintSmith Users in the $500-750,000 range ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Dear Folks, I just received the following from a former client of mine who finds himself once again very, very frustrated. After trimming payroll costs dramatically, he has taken over much of the estimating. Below is what he wrote me: "Now that I have gone back to estimating and order entry I've found that it takes anywhere from 20 minutes to 45 minutes to enter a simple identical repeat order. A new order may take from one hour to 3 hours depending on it's complexity. I could reduce payroll if I could find out a way to lessen the time it takes to estimate and enter an order. " I have written him back with a number of comments, but first and foremost I told him that while PrintSmith wasn't my favorite estimating program, it is more than capable, if used properly, of processing repeat orders and new orders 60-75% faster than he seems to be quoting to me. There is something inherently wrong. He suggested that maybe he ought to spend a day with one or two printers, and I agreed, and further suggested we need to find one or two owners that are well versed in the use of PrintSmith and who can point out what he is doing wrong.... Please tell me the times he is quoting are way off? He is very, very frustrated and I want to help him. I told him he needs to be willing to pay one or two owners for at least some of their time and to watch how they run their operations, specifically the estimating and quoting portion. He is located in lower, western Michigan and I would love to put him in touch with one or two owners who might be able and willing to help him. Thanks. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt & John Stewart _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Nov 12 17:04:02 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Nov 12 17:04:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials In-Reply-To: <880085.89805.qm@web38914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <880085.89805.qm@web38914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0711121404h29a5c7f8p292b968c57d37fd8@mail.gmail.com> On Nov 12, 2007 4:31 PM, Ted Gelletly wrote: > > I've sent 2 of them (in graphics/prepress) packing because: > 1. wasted time > 2. no desire to learn > 3. could not come to work on time > 4. no interest in our business Call me naive, but I have trouble believing that employee pre-testing suddenly does not work (or does not work with millenials), and that we can no longer determine the predictability of desirable character traits (Bill Greif: if you're reading this, I hope you'll comment). That desirable people are hard to find is nothing new, particular traits of the millenial generation notwithstanding. Personality profiling coupled with a (right) set of company values and expectations of conformity to them should be able to create a strong company culture (and buy-in to it) that precludes being handicapped by the immature likes of 60 Minutes' chosen young spokespeople. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Mon Nov 12 17:14:35 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Mon Nov 12 17:16:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials Message-ID: Well Dan, : ) that might be true in some other shops,but we have a large clock in the front area, which is used mainly to determine turn around on small orders & also a clock in the work area. A Rule is a Rule. I'm not here to provide a place to hang out...either work or go home period! I never had it this easy when I started working for others. I'll be dammed if they come here looking for a simpler life. I have great employees here & don't want to see them fall into that type of behavior. But on the other hand, I check my phone to for the time. LOLOLOL Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Mon Nov 12 17:43:46 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Mon Nov 12 17:45:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Hand gather job Message-ID: I have a relatively new, growing customer that wants us to collate pages for 800 binders, put the sets into the binders and insert a front & back cover and spine into the plastic sleeves on the outside of the binders. I have a 16 bin collator and have that pretty much taken care of. How much time do those of you that have done this work figure to insert 77 sheets (combination of brochures, tabbed dividers & copied sheets) into a binder and put the 3 sheets into the plastic sleeves on the outside? I was figuring 3 per minute but don't want to be too far off just because of the number of binders involved. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 From clc at crownmax.com Mon Nov 12 17:49:10 2007 From: clc at crownmax.com (Charlie Counts) Date: Mon Nov 12 17:49:35 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0711121404h29a5c7f8p292b968c57d37fd8@mail.gmail.com> References: <880085.89805.qm@web38914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <98f5b19a0711121404h29a5c7f8p292b968c57d37fd8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000601c8257e$3d8284d0$7201a8c0@Crown.local> The employment applications can give you a clue as to what is out there. Many of these kids have NEVER had any type of job. I personally believe that a lot of the work ethic is formed early in life like 14 to 18 and if they don't even know what work is where do you start with them. I am starting to rethink the area I am in because we are a very poor state we compete with Ed for poorest ranking and there are kids who Do Know what work is because the parents are both working to get by and aren't giving little Johnny every wish he has. Very interesting! Charlie Counts CROWNMAX, Inc. 2301 Roxalana Road P. O. Box 234 Dunbar, WV 25064 1-800-252-4011 Fax 304-744-8652 www.crownmax.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:04 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Nov 12, 2007 4:31 PM, Ted Gelletly wrote: > > I've sent 2 of them (in graphics/prepress) packing because: > 1. wasted time > 2. no desire to learn > 3. could not come to work on time > 4. no interest in our business Call me naive, but I have trouble believing that employee pre-testing suddenly does not work (or does not work with millenials), and that we can no longer determine the predictability of desirable character traits (Bill Greif: if you're reading this, I hope you'll comment). That desirable people are hard to find is nothing new, particular traits of the millenial generation notwithstanding. Personality profiling coupled with a (right) set of company values and expectations of conformity to them should be able to create a strong company culture (and buy-in to it) that precludes being handicapped by the immature likes of 60 Minutes' chosen young spokespeople. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpurvine1 at cox.net Mon Nov 12 18:05:38 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Mon Nov 12 18:05:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00b801c82580$8a83e380$6401a8c0@corapurvine> I just got rid of one for the same reason. She was VERY good at everything she did, but started making mistakes because she was so busy text messaging. I told her emergencies only, but she thought everything was an emergency, so....better off without her Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of VillagePrinting1@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:31 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I've had problems in the past with employees using their cell phones to talk & text. They know if they use them that they are to be used strictly for emergency use ONLY! That they are to placed them on vibrate or silent. I do not want to hear them go off, especially when they are taking care of clients. I am in process of firing one of these individuals just cause I keep finding her checking her cell from time to time. There is always something to do than to check who is calling. If this is wrong by me, than I say &**) that. I pay well so they should provide me the courtesy of respecting my authority. Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2653 (20071112) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From acepm2 at gmail.com Mon Nov 12 15:16:52 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Mon Nov 12 18:14:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here you go Tommy! http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/08/60minutes/main3475200.shtml Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Nov 12, 2007 2:55 PM, wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > What is this all about? > > > > Tommy Melendez > > > Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. > 3612 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > NAQP Member #1031539 > 718.904.7760 > 718.892.2315 Fax > _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Mon Nov 12 18:19:40 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Mon Nov 12 18:21:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Hand gather job Message-ID: In a message dated 11/12/2007 5:46:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mark@pipsturgeonbay.com writes: insert 77 sheets (combination of brochures, tabbed dividers & copied sheets) into a binder and put the 3 sheets into the plastic sleeves on the outside? I was figuring 3 per minute but don't want to be too far off just because of the number of binders involved. I would base my estimate on the number of pickups, not necessarily sheets. Assuming the sheets are collated into individual sets, and then the rest of the pickups are misc. I would do a simple time study and without rushing, go through all the manipulations of picking up, jogging, opening the binder, inserting, then closing and then opening up again to insert the front, back and spine. I would time this very carefully and then have a bindery person do the same thing, stressing accuracy over speed. I would probably try doing this 2-3 different ways.... i.e. collating all contents and then having someone else inserting the mess into the books, as opposed to inserting items as you go into each 3-ring binder. Once I had that time down pretty good, I would probably add 30-50% of that estimated time, then figure out total hours and minutes, still allowing for even more wasted time... then use an hourly rate for handwork of absolutely nothing less than $50-60 per hour. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt & John Stewart _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Mon Nov 12 18:23:52 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Mon Nov 12 18:24:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials Message-ID: In a message dated 11/12/2007 5:07:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sos@olympus.net writes: Neither of my kids have any interest in wearing a wrist watch, like many young people they have a clock in their cell. Just a minor point. Well one of the reason they are using their phone is that some of these damn kids can't tell time by looking at a wristwatch... hard to believe but true. These are the same kids who haven't the faintest idea how to count back change to a customer and haven't the faintest idea of what 6 x 7 or 9 x 7 equals without using a calculator. Tell them you need 20 posters that are 28" wide and ask them about how many feet of large format material you will need and they haven't the faintest idea.... can't even come close! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt & John Stewart _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Mon Nov 12 18:33:29 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Mon Nov 12 18:41:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials Message-ID: Ditto! John. I love the way some of these individuals come in for a job. It's almost like they are stopping by just before going to a party. No professionalism at all! I hold back what I really want to say to them, but politely tell them the is no work right now. No Pampering Here! Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Mon Nov 12 19:04:27 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Mon Nov 12 19:05:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Hand gather job In-Reply-To: <20071112232423.27FF2C77EE8@rb.enter.net> References: <20071112232423.27FF2C77EE8@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <035a04825c985edcf76f2ff8c1c59e2a@sheergraphics.com> What I have done in the past is to treat the whole project as a batch production series. Batch production 1) collate the pages with tab sets Batch production 2) insert front, back and spine into binder Batch production 3) insert assembled part 1 into assembled part 2 As for estimating time, I have, just for myself, arranged the workplace with components in their most convenient positions. Then SLOWLY, I have gone through a few minutes of SLOW motion assembling ten or so of each batch production. I measured the time on a clock with a second hand. Then assuming 80% productivity, and knowing your hourly rate (at least $60 per hour, just as my landscaping company charges that for unskilled labor), it is easy to calculate the selling price. Just remember, WORK SLOWLY, for you are not on 'piece work', your employees are likely paid by the hour. In a competitive situation we have used this method and our price was remarkably similar to the losing printer. (Our price was higher!) > I have a relatively new, growing customer that wants us to collate > pages > for 800 binders, put the sets into the binders and insert a front & > back > cover and spine into the plastic sleeves on the outside of the > binders. I > have a 16 bin collator and have that pretty much taken care of. How > much > time do those of you that have done this work figure to insert 77 > sheets > (combination of brochures, tabbed dividers & copied sheets) into a > binder > and put the 3 sheets into the plastic sleeves on the outside? I was > figuring > 3 per minute but don't want to be too far off just because of the > number of > binders involved. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From rick at jmjprinting.com Mon Nov 12 19:12:11 2007 From: rick at jmjprinting.com (Rick Foster) Date: Mon Nov 12 19:05:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In reference to the message sent by QKCONSULT@aol.com, on 11/12/07, at 6:23 PM -0500: >Well one of the reason they are using their phone is that some of these damn >kids can't tell time by looking at a wristwatch... hard to believe but true. >These are the same kids who haven't the faintest idea how to count back >change to a customer and haven't the faintest idea of what 6 x 7 or >9 x 7 equals without using a calculator. You have hit on three things that have changed society. The digital watch, people can no longer tell time on a round time piece. Want to see them cringe ask anybody under 20 what time it is in military time. They will quickly try to change the setting on their watch/phone. The calculator, most can no longer do simple math in their head or on paper. I admit my math skills are not like they were years ago and find myself pulling out a calculator. The cash register/computer of today. Not only does it tell you how much change to give back, it also tells you how many nickels, dimes, quarters, etc. Give me a break, if you are old enough to work in a retail place, you should be old enough to know which coins make up the right change. Giving change is a pet peeve with me. When it comes to change I am still old fashion. You count back the change as you lay it on the counter or in the hand. Coins first (counting up to the next dollar), then the bills, and all the bills face the same way! Now days they hand you a wad of crumpled bills facing every which way with the coins piled on top as they recite the amount the register says you should be getting back. $10.66, you look at the pile and see 2 5's, 6 dimes and 6 pennies. I realized just this week the practice of proper bill handling has finally degraded into the banks when I cashed a check and was handed a wad of crumpled bills facing every different direction and the coins were dropped on top. I was given an evil look as the coins spilled onto the counter and stood at the teller window turning all the bills the same direction before placing them into my wallet. I do occasionally look at my phone for the time. The clock on the outside display of my phone is bigger than my watch and easier to read. I don't have to open the phone to see it, in fact the numbers are so small on the inside display opening it doesn't do me any good. I can also tell if I missed a call, text message, or picture message without opening the phone. :) -- Rick _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Rick B. Foster JMJ Printing Co. LLC - Snohomish, WA mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com http://www.jmjprinting.com 425.334.9716 Your Full Service Print Shop 425.397.9716 Fax We Appreciate Your Business! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From billg at TGAssociates.com Mon Nov 12 19:19:48 2007 From: billg at TGAssociates.com (Bill Greif) Date: Mon Nov 12 19:20:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0711121404h29a5c7f8p292b968c57d37fd8@mail.gmail.com> References: <880085.89805.qm@web38914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <98f5b19a0711121404h29a5c7f8p292b968c57d37fd8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005a01c8258a$ea712fa0$6701a8c0@BILL> Hello Michael, I have been following this thread and I even took the time to view Morley Safer's segment of 60 minutes. It was interesting because it was a topic that Debra Thompson wrote about in the NAQP newsletter in June. Deb's article highlighted the same issues but it offered some suggestions for owners and managers to deal with the new generation. Deb wrote in the article: "When you hire people from this generation, you and your business will need to make some changes: 1. Increase basic skills training. Reading and writing may be a challenge. They have relied on the internet and many don't know about books. They also believe the internet is infallible and everything they see there is the accurate truth. 2. Explain the reasons behind processes. They will want to know why they are doing things. You will need to give them the rationale behind your instructions. 3. Provide more frequent job performance appraisals and feedback. They are used to instant feedback and they know from video games in a heartbeat whether they are doing it right. They need the same response at work. 4. Focus on outcomes. They know how to do their job and have conversations and IM going and surf the web all at the same time. Don't fuss over that if they are getting the job done fast and right. Just give them more work to do. 5. Keep them engaged. Help them develop their skills and they will stay with you. Be involved in career planning with them and offer job rotation assignments. 6. Expand work/life balance programs. The most important thing for this generation is free time and flexibility. They will want their time off." Clearly many PrintOwners will not be comfortable with these guidelines. And of course not all the young people fall into these general characterizations, but a lot do. There is a lot of information in publications today about the Millennials and their "helicopter" parents. Many companies are now reporting how parents accompany their kids on interviews and challenge hiring managers when they don't hire them. The parents also challenge the professors about grades and excessive homework. But Michael is asking about the use of profiling in sorting out the proper fit. Both the personality profile and the Wonderlic test still work, even for the Millennials. What we are seeing in the Wonderlic though is more candidates not achieving the minimum recommended scores for the various positions. It points out the importance of using these prehire assessments. The profile is still valuable in determining the employee behaviors. Using the profile, we can develop guidelines for managing employees, even the Millennials. Bu there is no getting around the fact that change in management style may be necessary to do it. Bill Greif TG & Associates billg@tgassociates.com www.tgassociates.com Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 Toll Free 877-842-7762 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 3:04 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Nov 12, 2007 4:31 PM, Ted Gelletly wrote: > > I've sent 2 of them (in graphics/prepress) packing because: > 1. wasted time > 2. no desire to learn > 3. could not come to work on time > 4. no interest in our business Call me naive, but I have trouble believing that employee pre-testing suddenly does not work (or does not work with millenials), and that we can no longer determine the predictability of desirable character traits (Bill Greif: if you're reading this, I hope you'll comment). That desirable people are hard to find is nothing new, particular traits of the millenial generation notwithstanding. Personality profiling coupled with a (right) set of company values and expectations of conformity to them should be able to create a strong company culture (and buy-in to it) that precludes being handicapped by the immature likes of 60 Minutes' chosen young spokespeople. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From printer at ptialaska.net Mon Nov 12 21:27:26 2007 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Mon Nov 12 21:27:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] DSL Speeds Message-ID: We have been paying for 1mb/1mb dsl for several years and always felt it was slow. I called today to see if we could upgrade and he had me do a speed test. We are at 1mb / 300k. He then checked our line and said they never changed it to 1 meg on their end. AAARGGHH! Now that means we have been only getting 30% of what we pay for. What are you feelings about what I should ask for to compensate? I am calling tomorrow to talk to them about just that, I am not a happy camper on this one. I recommend everyone doing a speed test to see if they are getting what they pay for. Do a google for internet speed test and you will find one in your area or your provider may have one on their website. Here is the one in Anchorage: http:// speedtest.nwc.acsalaska.net/dslreports/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From acepm2 at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 05:51:03 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Tue Nov 13 06:21:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials In-Reply-To: <028a01c82571$981c68f0$c8553ad0$@com> References: <0D4CC79F-5529-48B5-BB6C-B92D582C7ED7@interiorgraphics.com> <028a01c82571$981c68f0$c8553ad0$@com> Message-ID: "Would the company be better off with them or without them?". Armand, Excellent point. I could NOT have put this any better. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On 11/12/07, Armand Girard wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > My manager struggles with this constantly. She's almost 50 and we have a > couple of "millenials" on staff that fit the CBS story to a tee. I tell my > manager that she has only one question to answer to determine whether she > keeps them or replaces them: > > "Would the company be better off with them or without them?". While this > sounds like a very simple question, it isn't. It's a loaded question that > requires much thought. So far we've kept them. That could change eventually, > though. > > > Armand Girard > Curry Printing & Mailing > 31 Mill St > Auburn, ME 04210 > > email: armand@curryonline.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michelle at Interior > Graphics > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 3:54 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I found this segment really interesting. The problem for me is that > there are only four of us in the shop, and if one can't pull the > weight, I just don't have time for it. I give them a little bit, and > try to "coach" them into the way work should be, but if they aren't > cutting it, they have to go. And, I tell them in the interview that > if they aren't making it they are going to go. But, I'm not big > corporate either. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Michelle Maynor > "Your Personal Printer" > Interior Graphics & Printing > 770 8th Avenue > Fairbanks, AK 99701 > 907.456.4982 phone > 907.452.6992 fax > > "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the > most." - John Ruskin > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From acepm2 at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 05:51:03 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Tue Nov 13 06:52:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials In-Reply-To: <028a01c82571$981c68f0$c8553ad0$@com> References: <0D4CC79F-5529-48B5-BB6C-B92D582C7ED7@interiorgraphics.com> <028a01c82571$981c68f0$c8553ad0$@com> Message-ID: "Would the company be better off with them or without them?". Armand, Excellent point. I could NOT have put this any better. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On 11/12/07, Armand Girard wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > My manager struggles with this constantly. She's almost 50 and we have a > couple of "millenials" on staff that fit the CBS story to a tee. I tell my > manager that she has only one question to answer to determine whether she > keeps them or replaces them: > > "Would the company be better off with them or without them?". While this > sounds like a very simple question, it isn't. It's a loaded question that > requires much thought. So far we've kept them. That could change eventually, > though. > > > Armand Girard > Curry Printing & Mailing > 31 Mill St > Auburn, ME 04210 > > email: armand@curryonline.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michelle at Interior > Graphics > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 3:54 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I found this segment really interesting. The problem for me is that > there are only four of us in the shop, and if one can't pull the > weight, I just don't have time for it. I give them a little bit, and > try to "coach" them into the way work should be, but if they aren't > cutting it, they have to go. And, I tell them in the interview that > if they aren't making it they are going to go. But, I'm not big > corporate either. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Michelle Maynor > "Your Personal Printer" > Interior Graphics & Printing > 770 8th Avenue > Fairbanks, AK 99701 > 907.456.4982 phone > 907.452.6992 fax > > "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the > most." - John Ruskin > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From stalprint at charter.net Tue Nov 13 08:26:57 2007 From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings) Date: Tue Nov 13 08:27:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need source: Thermographed full color Bus Cards Message-ID: <4739A621.5080004@charter.net> Any suggestions? Thanks -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 1709 Walt Arney Road Lenoir, NC 28645 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net From jdaghir at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 08:36:04 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Tue Nov 13 08:37:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need source: Thermographed full color Bus Cards In-Reply-To: <4739A621.5080004@charter.net> References: <4739A621.5080004@charter.net> Message-ID: <83d5b9620711130536x560f3602i65667155bfcf1690@mail.gmail.com> BCT in Indianapolis can do them but you can probably find some one a little closer to you that could do them also. www.bctindy.com -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com From ron at printingconcepts.com Tue Nov 13 08:58:00 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Tue Nov 13 08:51:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I saw this coming fifteen to twenty years ago when I dated a number of single mothers with children. I was astounded when I saw what these mothers did for their kids: some wouldn't even miss attending a soccer PRACTICE let alone one of their kid's games, lest he be crushed by the fact his mommy wasn't watching him perform. Walked into an elementary class and a mirror was on the wall that said: "You are looking at the most important person in the world." I thought, kids don't need that idea reinforced, they are already born with it. I live about three blocks from an elementary school and you wouldn't believe the number of kids who are driven to and from school. Conservative psychologist John Rosemond talks a lot about this phenomena in his synidicated newspaper column and his books. He says the self-esteem that comes from accomplishment and struggle is true self-esteem, the "self-esteem" that comes from one being told you are great is fragile (witness the highest levels of "self-esteem" are measured in inner-city incarcerated males). It has been said that cats are difficult to train because they don't care about pleasing their owners, while dogs are the opposite. What I saw on the 60 minutes program are prospective employees incapable of seeing that the employee/employer relationship is a two way street. They have never had to struggle for anything, why should they start now? Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Rick Foster Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:12 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In reference to the message sent by QKCONSULT@aol.com, on 11/12/07, at 6:23 PM -0500: >Well one of the reason they are using their phone is that some of these damn >kids can't tell time by looking at a wristwatch... hard to believe but true. >These are the same kids who haven't the faintest idea how to count back >change to a customer and haven't the faintest idea of what 6 x 7 or >9 x 7 equals without using a calculator. You have hit on three things that have changed society. The digital watch, people can no longer tell time on a round time piece. Want to see them cringe ask anybody under 20 what time it is in military time. They will quickly try to change the setting on their watch/phone. The calculator, most can no longer do simple math in their head or on paper. I admit my math skills are not like they were years ago and find myself pulling out a calculator. The cash register/computer of today. Not only does it tell you how much change to give back, it also tells you how many nickels, dimes, quarters, etc. Give me a break, if you are old enough to work in a retail place, you should be old enough to know which coins make up the right change. Giving change is a pet peeve with me. When it comes to change I am still old fashion. You count back the change as you lay it on the counter or in the hand. Coins first (counting up to the next dollar), then the bills, and all the bills face the same way! Now days they hand you a wad of crumpled bills facing every which way with the coins piled on top as they recite the amount the register says you should be getting back. $10.66, you look at the pile and see 2 5's, 6 dimes and 6 pennies. I realized just this week the practice of proper bill handling has finally degraded into the banks when I cashed a check and was handed a wad of crumpled bills facing every different direction and the coins were dropped on top. I was given an evil look as the coins spilled onto the counter and stood at the teller window turning all the bills the same direction before placing them into my wallet. I do occasionally look at my phone for the time. The clock on the outside display of my phone is bigger than my watch and easier to read. I don't have to open the phone to see it, in fact the numbers are so small on the inside display opening it doesn't do me any good. I can also tell if I missed a call, text message, or picture message without opening the phone. :) -- Rick _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Rick B. Foster JMJ Printing Co. LLC - Snohomish, WA mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com http://www.jmjprinting.com 425.334.9716 Your Full Service Print Shop 425.397.9716 Fax We Appreciate Your Business! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From armand at curryonline.com Tue Nov 13 09:28:16 2007 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Tue Nov 13 09:29:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] DSL Speeds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <136501c82601$6e2f1020$4a8d3060$@com> Charles, Since you were paying for 1 MB/1 MB, then that's what you should get. The company that supplies you with DSL should compensate you for whatever difference they would normally charge for 1 MB/300k. However, you haven't been getting 30% of what you were paying for. The first number is your download speed and it seems that you were getting the speed you were paying for. The second number is the upload speed and, unless you upload a lot of data, you would hardly notice any difference between 1 MB and 300k. I had our upload speed bumped up a few years ago in anticipation of doing off site backups. Our download speed was already at 5 MB but our upload speed was only 384k. I didn't notice any difference in our surfing experience but our off site backups were substantially faster. Best place I've found (there may be better) is www.speedtest.net. Be careful in how you interpret the results. All speed tests are at the mercy of how much bandwidth is available at the site you test (along with many other factors) and can change hourly. The only speed test that is most accurate is at your provider's head end. Testing at that location eliminates most hops and other factors that can affect the accuracy of the test. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charles A. Lincoln Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:27 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] DSL Speeds ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have been paying for 1mb/1mb dsl for several years and always felt it was slow. I called today to see if we could upgrade and he had me do a speed test. We are at 1mb / 300k. He then checked our line and said they never changed it to 1 meg on their end. AAARGGHH! Now that means we have been only getting 30% of what we pay for. What are you feelings about what I should ask for to compensate? I am calling tomorrow to talk to them about just that, I am not a happy camper on this one. I recommend everyone doing a speed test to see if they are getting what they pay for. Do a google for internet speed test and you will find one in your area or your provider may have one on their website. Here is the one in Anchorage: http:// speedtest.nwc.acsalaska.net/dslreports/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From armand at curryonline.com Tue Nov 13 09:38:24 2007 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Tue Nov 13 09:39:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <136f01c82602$d8aebee0$8a0c3ca0$@com> John, Your point reminds me of a news story I saw on TV last week. Remember that Daylight Saving Time ended one week later this year. It seems that some people had not updated their computers to reflect this change. One person interviewed on the news said that he was late all day for his appointments because "the computer reminded him an hour later than it should have". He went on to explain that his life is run by his computer and he does what it tells him to do. Yep, I guess he couldn't tell time either. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 6:24 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 11/12/2007 5:07:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sos@olympus.net writes: Neither of my kids have any interest in wearing a wrist watch, like many young people they have a clock in their cell. Just a minor point. Well one of the reason they are using their phone is that some of these damn kids can't tell time by looking at a wristwatch... hard to believe but true. These are the same kids who haven't the faintest idea how to count back change to a customer and haven't the faintest idea of what 6 x 7 or 9 x 7 equals without using a calculator. Tell them you need 20 posters that are 28" wide and ask them about how many feet of large format material you will need and they haven't the faintest idea.... can't even come close! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt & John Stewart _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bernies at printnetusa.com Tue Nov 13 09:43:01 2007 From: bernies at printnetusa.com (Bernie Schreiber) Date: Tue Nov 13 09:43:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe CEO Bruce Chizen steps down Message-ID: <20071113144357.9AEF7C7A2CE@rb.enter.net> Adobe announced yesterday that their CEO Bruce Chizen would be stepping down Bernie Schreiber bernies@printnetusa.com PrintNet USA, Inc. 7005 Westbelt Drive Nashville, TN 37209 615.385.9100 615.406.9994 - cell 615.298-4234 - fax From richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com Tue Nov 13 09:57:51 2007 From: richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com (Richard Moffat) Date: Tue Nov 13 09:58:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need source: Thermographed full color Bus Cards In-Reply-To: <4739A621.5080004@charter.net> Message-ID: Mark, Carlson Craft had a program for doing 4 color business cards in Thermography and if I can remember right upto 7 spot colors. I think their program was called Creative Colors if I can remember right. Carlson Craft's Commercial Products Division 1-800-628-9809 Richard Moffat Sir Speedy 244 S.W. 6th Street Miami, Florida 33130 (305) 285-1401 Tel (305) 285-1402 Fax richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com www.sirspeedy-brickell.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Mark Stallings Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:27 AM To: PrintOwners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Need source: Thermographed full color Bus Cards ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Any suggestions? Thanks -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 1709 Walt Arney Road Lenoir, NC 28645 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From John at mpcny.com Tue Nov 13 10:04:42 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Tue Nov 13 10:05:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: 60 minute segment / Millennials In-Reply-To: <20071113145832.AF111C7A3E8@rb.enter.net> References: <20071113145832.AF111C7A3E8@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <002801c82606$85a43690$90eca3b0$@com> I think it would be good training for your Millennials to be sat down and watch this as part of their orientation. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.30/1127 - Release Date: 11/12/2007 9:19 PM From mail at myprinter.biz Tue Nov 13 10:25:56 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Tue Nov 13 10:29:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ron - Virtually every "generation" (an entirely arbitrary parsing of a continuum) has always believed that the one that immediately followed it - or the one after that - was comprised largely of useless turds (frequently - but not always - those the weren't their own progeny) and was certain to lead civilization as we know it to utter ruin. While it's probable that one of them will be correct, eventually, a pure odds player would have to bet that "the Millennials" will feel the same way about their successors, and that they, too, will be wrong. For the rest of you, do you realize that lots of your criticisms are of behaviors that mirror - and are the inevitable end products of - the capitalist system (i.e., profit-driven, with "decisions" made via open markets)? No, I don't want to trade the capitalist system for something else: I'm just saying that not all of the results are going to be exactly as we might wish and that wonderful examples of that abound. One of them is cigarette manufacturers lying to and poisoning us with the certain knowledge that they were doing both. Another is what's been occurring with Chinese imports of whatever they could make for us more cheaply than anybody else, with safety being a secondary concern. It's tough for me to be critical of employees that act in what they believe to be their best interests - especially when that's the example we set for them. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Ron Taggart Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:58 AM To: printowners Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I saw this coming fifteen to twenty years ago when I dated a number of single mothers with children. I was astounded when I saw what these mothers did for their kids: some wouldn't even miss attending a soccer PRACTICE let alone one of their kid's games, lest he be crushed by the fact his mommy wasn't watching him perform. Walked into an elementary class and a mirror was on the wall that said: "You are looking at the most important person in the world." I thought, kids don't need that idea reinforced, they are already born with it. I live about three blocks from an elementary school and you wouldn't believe the number of kids who are driven to and from school. Conservative psychologist John Rosemond talks a lot about this phenomena in his synidicated newspaper column and his books. He says the self-esteem that comes from accomplishment and struggle is true self-esteem, the "self-esteem" that comes from one being told you are great is fragile (witness the highest levels of "self-esteem" are measured in inner-city incarcerated males). It has been said that cats are difficult to train because they don't care about pleasing their owners, while dogs are the opposite. What I saw on the 60 minutes program are prospective employees incapable of seeing that the employee/employer relationship is a two way street. They have never had to struggle for anything, why should they start now? Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Rick Foster Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:12 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In reference to the message sent by QKCONSULT@aol.com, on 11/12/07, at 6:23 PM -0500: >Well one of the reason they are using their phone is that some of these damn >kids can't tell time by looking at a wristwatch... hard to believe but true. >These are the same kids who haven't the faintest idea how to count back >change to a customer and haven't the faintest idea of what 6 x 7 or >9 x 7 equals without using a calculator. You have hit on three things that have changed society. The digital watch, people can no longer tell time on a round time piece. Want to see them cringe ask anybody under 20 what time it is in military time. They will quickly try to change the setting on their watch/phone. The calculator, most can no longer do simple math in their head or on paper. I admit my math skills are not like they were years ago and find myself pulling out a calculator. The cash register/computer of today. Not only does it tell you how much change to give back, it also tells you how many nickels, dimes, quarters, etc. Give me a break, if you are old enough to work in a retail place, you should be old enough to know which coins make up the right change. Giving change is a pet peeve with me. When it comes to change I am still old fashion. You count back the change as you lay it on the counter or in the hand. Coins first (counting up to the next dollar), then the bills, and all the bills face the same way! Now days they hand you a wad of crumpled bills facing every which way with the coins piled on top as they recite the amount the register says you should be getting back. $10.66, you look at the pile and see 2 5's, 6 dimes and 6 pennies. I realized just this week the practice of proper bill handling has finally degraded into the banks when I cashed a check and was handed a wad of crumpled bills facing every different direction and the coins were dropped on top. I was given an evil look as the coins spilled onto the counter and stood at the teller window turning all the bills the same direction before placing them into my wallet. I do occasionally look at my phone for the time. The clock on the outside display of my phone is bigger than my watch and easier to read. I don't have to open the phone to see it, in fact the numbers are so small on the inside display opening it doesn't do me any good. I can also tell if I missed a call, text message, or picture message without opening the phone. :) -- Rick _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Rick B. Foster JMJ Printing Co. LLC - Snohomish, WA mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com http://www.jmjprinting.com 425.334.9716 Your Full Service Print Shop 425.397.9716 Fax We Appreciate Your Business! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mail at myprinter.biz Tue Nov 13 10:34:33 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Tue Nov 13 10:37:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need source: Thermographed full color Bus Cards In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Richard - I remember Carlson's Creative Colors program as offering a very wide palate of spot colors thermographed, but not CMYK. We used to have somebody's "stuff" on full color thermo business cards, but never sold any of them (I thought they looked sort of "cheesy"), and I can't find the info. I'm checking with John McNew at corporate to see if he knows anybody that knows anybody... Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Richard Moffat Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:58 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Need source: Thermographed full color Bus Cards ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Mark, Carlson Craft had a program for doing 4 color business cards in Thermography and if I can remember right upto 7 spot colors. I think their program was called Creative Colors if I can remember right. Carlson Craft's Commercial Products Division 1-800-628-9809 Richard Moffat Sir Speedy 244 S.W. 6th Street Miami, Florida 33130 (305) 285-1401 Tel (305) 285-1402 Fax richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com www.sirspeedy-brickell.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Mark Stallings Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:27 AM To: PrintOwners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Need source: Thermographed full color Bus Cards ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Any suggestions? Thanks -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 1709 Walt Arney Road Lenoir, NC 28645 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From huntleyw at bellsouth.net Tue Nov 13 10:39:49 2007 From: huntleyw at bellsouth.net (Bill Huntley) Date: Tue Nov 13 10:40:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials References: Message-ID: <002501c8260b$6e8bca90$ede70641@bills4drj3ddzy> Virtually every "generation" (an entirely arbitrary parsing of a continuum) has always believed that the one that immediately followed it - or the one after that - was comprised largely of useless turds (frequently - but not always - those the weren't their own progeny) and was certain to lead civilization as we know it to utter ruin. It is my belief that when a man turns 60 years old, He will most likely feel that the world is going to hell in a handbasket, this time for sure. Bill Huntley Universal Copies Columbia, SC From jdowning at libertygrouponline.com Tue Nov 13 10:46:30 2007 From: jdowning at libertygrouponline.com (Joy Downing) Date: Tue Nov 13 10:50:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] booklet quote Message-ID: <056001c8260c$5c12ad10$1401a8c0@JOY2> I have a small booklet (folds in 1/2 to 3 x 5.5) that I need a quote on. If you would like quote please e-mail me off list. Thanks in advance. Joy Downing The Liberty Group 270-782-7829 jdowning@libertygrouponline.com From ron at printingconcepts.com Tue Nov 13 11:08:57 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Tue Nov 13 11:03:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dan: Good points, although I lean heavily to a humanistic capitalism, one that treats the employees well, that doesn't treat its vendors and customers as adversaries to be cheated at every opportunity (a la behavior of many Chinese mfgr's). With this in mind, one then expects the employees to understand that we are on a two way street, I help you provide for your family and you help in a serious way with the mission of the company. I have no illusions that if my ship were going down, that employees would be jumping pretty rapidly to save their own skins. We don't have many problems with employees, except we have given up completely on high school boys to take out the trash, etc. And we used to pay them much better than any other job they could get around here. That said, there is a proverb: "When thou saist the former days are better than these, thou has not spoken wisely." Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:26 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Ron - Virtually every "generation" (an entirely arbitrary parsing of a continuum) has always believed that the one that immediately followed it - or the one after that - was comprised largely of useless turds (frequently - but not always - those the weren't their own progeny) and was certain to lead civilization as we know it to utter ruin. While it's probable that one of them will be correct, eventually, a pure odds player would have to bet that "the Millennials" will feel the same way about their successors, and that they, too, will be wrong. For the rest of you, do you realize that lots of your criticisms are of behaviors that mirror - and are the inevitable end products of - the capitalist system (i.e., profit-driven, with "decisions" made via open markets)? No, I don't want to trade the capitalist system for something else: I'm just saying that not all of the results are going to be exactly as we might wish and that wonderful examples of that abound. One of them is cigarette manufacturers lying to and poisoning us with the certain knowledge that they were doing both. Another is what's been occurring with Chinese imports of whatever they could make for us more cheaply than anybody else, with safety being a secondary concern. It's tough for me to be critical of employees that act in what they believe to be their best interests - especially when that's the example we set for them. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Ron Taggart Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:58 AM To: printowners Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I saw this coming fifteen to twenty years ago when I dated a number of single mothers with children. I was astounded when I saw what these mothers did for their kids: some wouldn't even miss attending a soccer PRACTICE let alone one of their kid's games, lest he be crushed by the fact his mommy wasn't watching him perform. Walked into an elementary class and a mirror was on the wall that said: "You are looking at the most important person in the world." I thought, kids don't need that idea reinforced, they are already born with it. I live about three blocks from an elementary school and you wouldn't believe the number of kids who are driven to and from school. Conservative psychologist John Rosemond talks a lot about this phenomena in his synidicated newspaper column and his books. He says the self-esteem that comes from accomplishment and struggle is true self-esteem, the "self-esteem" that comes from one being told you are great is fragile (witness the highest levels of "self-esteem" are measured in inner-city incarcerated males). It has been said that cats are difficult to train because they don't care about pleasing their owners, while dogs are the opposite. What I saw on the 60 minutes program are prospective employees incapable of seeing that the employee/employer relationship is a two way street. They have never had to struggle for anything, why should they start now? Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Rick Foster Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:12 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In reference to the message sent by QKCONSULT@aol.com, on 11/12/07, at 6:23 PM -0500: >Well one of the reason they are using their phone is that some of these damn >kids can't tell time by looking at a wristwatch... hard to believe but true. >These are the same kids who haven't the faintest idea how to count back >change to a customer and haven't the faintest idea of what 6 x 7 or >9 x 7 equals without using a calculator. You have hit on three things that have changed society. The digital watch, people can no longer tell time on a round time piece. Want to see them cringe ask anybody under 20 what time it is in military time. They will quickly try to change the setting on their watch/phone. The calculator, most can no longer do simple math in their head or on paper. I admit my math skills are not like they were years ago and find myself pulling out a calculator. The cash register/computer of today. Not only does it tell you how much change to give back, it also tells you how many nickels, dimes, quarters, etc. Give me a break, if you are old enough to work in a retail place, you should be old enough to know which coins make up the right change. Giving change is a pet peeve with me. When it comes to change I am still old fashion. You count back the change as you lay it on the counter or in the hand. Coins first (counting up to the next dollar), then the bills, and all the bills face the same way! Now days they hand you a wad of crumpled bills facing every which way with the coins piled on top as they recite the amount the register says you should be getting back. $10.66, you look at the pile and see 2 5's, 6 dimes and 6 pennies. I realized just this week the practice of proper bill handling has finally degraded into the banks when I cashed a check and was handed a wad of crumpled bills facing every different direction and the coins were dropped on top. I was given an evil look as the coins spilled onto the counter and stood at the teller window turning all the bills the same direction before placing them into my wallet. I do occasionally look at my phone for the time. The clock on the outside display of my phone is bigger than my watch and easier to read. I don't have to open the phone to see it, in fact the numbers are so small on the inside display opening it doesn't do me any good. I can also tell if I missed a call, text message, or picture message without opening the phone. :) -- Rick _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Rick B. Foster JMJ Printing Co. LLC - Snohomish, WA mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com http://www.jmjprinting.com 425.334.9716 Your Full Service Print Shop 425.397.9716 Fax We Appreciate Your Business! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mail at myprinter.biz Tue Nov 13 11:38:45 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Tue Nov 13 11:41:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials In-Reply-To: <002501c8260b$6e8bca90$ede70641@bills4drj3ddzy> Message-ID: Bill - Having "turned 60" (makes me feel like I've spun 180 degrees so my rotted side is facing the ground - I often tell people that I'm approaching 50 from the other direction), I can tell you, unequivocally, that you're right...and wrong. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Bill Huntley Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:40 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Virtually every "generation" (an entirely arbitrary parsing of a continuum) has always believed that the one that immediately followed it - or the one after that - was comprised largely of useless turds (frequently - but not always - those the weren't their own progeny) and was certain to lead civilization as we know it to utter ruin. It is my belief that when a man turns 60 years old, He will most likely feel that the world is going to hell in a handbasket, this time for sure. Bill Huntley Universal Copies Columbia, SC _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Tue Nov 13 11:40:58 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Tue Nov 13 11:42:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Rip Charges Message-ID: We have charges for just about everything. I recently charged a client for ripping $9.00 on his engineering copies. He told me he has never been charged before at Staples. I do know that Staples around me sells 24" x 36" for $2.25 ea. Anyone else charge for ripping these copies? Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From mail at myprinter.biz Tue Nov 13 11:49:32 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Tue Nov 13 11:51:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Good points, although I lean heavily to a humanistic capitalism... Ron Ron - A purist would argue that "humanistic capitalism" is an oxymoron and that you can't have it both ways - that capitalism is laisse-fare, profit and market driven, or it's not capitalism. (It's a little like "compassionate conservatism" - with its 1000 points of neglect and no child's education left properly funded: Okay, I've ducked already, so those so inclined - God, it's fun to make fun of them - can fire away.) ...but I'm not particularly pure. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Ron Taggart Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:09 AM To: printowners Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Dan: Good points, although I lean heavily to a humanistic capitalism, one that treats the employees well, that doesn't treat its vendors and customers as adversaries to be cheated at every opportunity (a la behavior of many Chinese mfgr's). With this in mind, one then expects the employees to understand that we are on a two way street, I help you provide for your family and you help in a serious way with the mission of the company. I have no illusions that if my ship were going down, that employees would be jumping pretty rapidly to save their own skins. We don't have many problems with employees, except we have given up completely on high school boys to take out the trash, etc. And we used to pay them much better than any other job they could get around here. That said, there is a proverb: "When thou saist the former days are better than these, thou has not spoken wisely." Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:26 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Ron - Virtually every "generation" (an entirely arbitrary parsing of a continuum) has always believed that the one that immediately followed it - or the one after that - was comprised largely of useless turds (frequently - but not always - those the weren't their own progeny) and was certain to lead civilization as we know it to utter ruin. While it's probable that one of them will be correct, eventually, a pure odds player would have to bet that "the Millennials" will feel the same way about their successors, and that they, too, will be wrong. For the rest of you, do you realize that lots of your criticisms are of behaviors that mirror - and are the inevitable end products of - the capitalist system (i.e., profit-driven, with "decisions" made via open markets)? No, I don't want to trade the capitalist system for something else: I'm just saying that not all of the results are going to be exactly as we might wish and that wonderful examples of that abound. One of them is cigarette manufacturers lying to and poisoning us with the certain knowledge that they were doing both. Another is what's been occurring with Chinese imports of whatever they could make for us more cheaply than anybody else, with safety being a secondary concern. It's tough for me to be critical of employees that act in what they believe to be their best interests - especially when that's the example we set for them. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Ron Taggart Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:58 AM To: printowners Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I saw this coming fifteen to twenty years ago when I dated a number of single mothers with children. I was astounded when I saw what these mothers did for their kids: some wouldn't even miss attending a soccer PRACTICE let alone one of their kid's games, lest he be crushed by the fact his mommy wasn't watching him perform. Walked into an elementary class and a mirror was on the wall that said: "You are looking at the most important person in the world." I thought, kids don't need that idea reinforced, they are already born with it. I live about three blocks from an elementary school and you wouldn't believe the number of kids who are driven to and from school. Conservative psychologist John Rosemond talks a lot about this phenomena in his synidicated newspaper column and his books. He says the self-esteem that comes from accomplishment and struggle is true self-esteem, the "self-esteem" that comes from one being told you are great is fragile (witness the highest levels of "self-esteem" are measured in inner-city incarcerated males). It has been said that cats are difficult to train because they don't care about pleasing their owners, while dogs are the opposite. What I saw on the 60 minutes program are prospective employees incapable of seeing that the employee/employer relationship is a two way street. They have never had to struggle for anything, why should they start now? Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Rick Foster Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:12 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In reference to the message sent by QKCONSULT@aol.com, on 11/12/07, at 6:23 PM -0500: >Well one of the reason they are using their phone is that some of these damn >kids can't tell time by looking at a wristwatch... hard to believe but true. >These are the same kids who haven't the faintest idea how to count back >change to a customer and haven't the faintest idea of what 6 x 7 or >9 x 7 equals without using a calculator. You have hit on three things that have changed society. The digital watch, people can no longer tell time on a round time piece. Want to see them cringe ask anybody under 20 what time it is in military time. They will quickly try to change the setting on their watch/phone. The calculator, most can no longer do simple math in their head or on paper. I admit my math skills are not like they were years ago and find myself pulling out a calculator. The cash register/computer of today. Not only does it tell you how much change to give back, it also tells you how many nickels, dimes, quarters, etc. Give me a break, if you are old enough to work in a retail place, you should be old enough to know which coins make up the right change. Giving change is a pet peeve with me. When it comes to change I am still old fashion. You count back the change as you lay it on the counter or in the hand. Coins first (counting up to the next dollar), then the bills, and all the bills face the same way! Now days they hand you a wad of crumpled bills facing every which way with the coins piled on top as they recite the amount the register says you should be getting back. $10.66, you look at the pile and see 2 5's, 6 dimes and 6 pennies. I realized just this week the practice of proper bill handling has finally degraded into the banks when I cashed a check and was handed a wad of crumpled bills facing every different direction and the coins were dropped on top. I was given an evil look as the coins spilled onto the counter and stood at the teller window turning all the bills the same direction before placing them into my wallet. I do occasionally look at my phone for the time. The clock on the outside display of my phone is bigger than my watch and easier to read. I don't have to open the phone to see it, in fact the numbers are so small on the inside display opening it doesn't do me any good. I can also tell if I missed a call, text message, or picture message without opening the phone. :) -- Rick _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Rick B. Foster JMJ Printing Co. LLC - Snohomish, WA mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com http://www.jmjprinting.com 425.334.9716 Your Full Service Print Shop 425.397.9716 Fax We Appreciate Your Business! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jgross at techiowa.com Tue Nov 13 12:09:58 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Tue Nov 13 12:10:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Rip Charges In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004501c82618$05359f50$1e00000a@tech.local> We don't unless their files are screwed up, then we charge for "operator time" John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of VillagePrinting1@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:41 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Rip Charges ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have charges for just about everything. I recently charged a client for ripping $9.00 on his engineering copies. He told me he has never been charged before at Staples. I do know that Staples around me sells 24" x 36" for $2.25 ea. Anyone else charge for ripping these copies? Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kevin at proprinters.ca Tue Nov 13 12:22:46 2007 From: kevin at proprinters.ca (Kevin at PRO Printers) Date: Tue Nov 13 12:22:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Rip Charges References: Message-ID: <00aa01c82619$cf0aab80$6600a8c0@promerivale1> We charge $2 flat charge for engineering files if they are pdf or tif files regardless of quantity. $5.00 for a black and white file to our regular copier/printer and $8.00 for a file to our colour copier/printers. Discounts for multiple files on the last two prices. We don't try to match any of the big box stores' pricing for very small orders, but we are lower than them on more substantial jobs. Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:40 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Rip Charges > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have charges for just about everything. I recently charged a client > for > ripping $9.00 on his engineering copies. He told me he has never been > charged before at Staples. I do know that Staples around me sells 24" x > 36" for > $2.25 ea. Anyone else charge for ripping these copies? > > Tommy Melendez > > Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. > 3612 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > NAQP Member #1031539 > 718.904.7760 > 718.892.2315 Fax > _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com) > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 12:23:09 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Nov 13 12:23:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need source: Thermographed full color Bus Cards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0711130923r4b32ae52g9593ff84d46bc41b@mail.gmail.com> I've been reluctant to respond because the vendor name I'm going to supply (only because there havbe been no others) is one I don't like very much because their customer attitude leaves something to be desired. That said, they are the only vendor I use for thermography; they do do process-color thermo; and they do an acceptable job: Northeast Thermography Wallingford CT 800-827-1168 www.nethermography.com -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Tue Nov 13 12:31:21 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Tue Nov 13 12:32:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe CEO Bruce Chizen steps down Message-ID: Wonder why? Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 12:47:11 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Nov 13 12:47:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe CEO Bruce Chizen steps down In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0711130947s75549634w36d834c167e4b262@mail.gmail.com> On Nov 13, 2007 12:31 PM, wrote: > > Wonder why? "I'm not leaving under any cloud," said Chizen here: http://tinyurl.com/ywq7tq -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From acepm2 at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 12:19:41 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Tue Nov 13 12:47:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] DSL Speeds In-Reply-To: <136501c82601$6e2f1020$4a8d3060$@com> References: <136501c82601$6e2f1020$4a8d3060$@com> Message-ID: I'm at 7.5 Down and 2.5 Up.... not bad..... Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Nov 13, 2007 9:28 AM, Armand Girard wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Charles, > > Since you were paying for 1 MB/1 MB, then that's what you should get. The > company that supplies you with DSL should compensate you for whatever > difference they would normally charge for 1 MB/300k. However, you haven't > been getting 30% of what you were paying for. > > The first number is your download speed and it seems that you were getting > the speed you were paying for. The second number is the upload speed and, > unless you upload a lot of data, you would hardly notice any difference > between 1 MB and 300k. > > I had our upload speed bumped up a few years ago in anticipation of doing > off site backups. Our download speed was already at 5 MB but our upload > speed was only 384k. I didn't notice any difference in our surfing > experience but our off site backups were substantially faster. > > Best place I've found (there may be better) is www.speedtest.net. Be > careful > in how you interpret the results. All speed tests are at the mercy of how > much bandwidth is available at the site you test (along with many other > factors) and can change hourly. The only speed test that is most accurate > is > at your provider's head end. Testing at that location eliminates most hops > and other factors that can affect the accuracy of the test. > > > Armand Girard > Curry Printing & Mailing > 31 Mill St > Auburn, ME 04210 > > email: armand@curryonline.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charles A. Lincoln > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:27 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] DSL Speeds > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have been paying for 1mb/1mb dsl for several years and always felt > it was slow. I called today to see if we could upgrade and he had me > do a speed test. We are at 1mb / 300k. He then checked our line and > said they never changed it to 1 meg on their end. AAARGGHH! Now that > means we have been only getting 30% of what we pay for. What are you > feelings about what I should ask for to compensate? I am calling > tomorrow to talk to them about just that, I am not a happy camper on > this one. I recommend everyone doing a speed test to see if they are > getting what they pay for. Do a google for internet speed test and > you will find one in your area or your provider may have one on their > website. Here is the one in Anchorage: http:// > speedtest.nwc.acsalaska.net/dslreports/ > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > Charles Lincoln > ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY > 612 30th Avenue > Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 > (907) 451-1111 > fax (907) 451-4511 > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From bob at rjmprinting.com Tue Nov 13 12:55:32 2007 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Tue Nov 13 12:55:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe CEO Bruce Chizen steps down In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0711130947s75549634w36d834c167e4b262@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: He is leaving to go to FedEx Kinkos. That would make a good story if it were true! Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:47 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Adobe CEO Bruce Chizen steps down ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Nov 13, 2007 12:31 PM, wrote: > > Wonder why? "I'm not leaving under any cloud," said Chizen here: http://tinyurl.com/ywq7tq -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Tue Nov 13 13:00:58 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Tue Nov 13 13:01:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe CEO Bruce Chizen steps down Message-ID: EXTRA EXTRA Read all about it! Yes that would be a headline. Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From huntleyw at bellsouth.net Tue Nov 13 13:21:57 2007 From: huntleyw at bellsouth.net (Bill Huntley) Date: Tue Nov 13 13:22:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials References: Message-ID: <001701c82622$14960a20$05e40641@bills4drj3ddzy> My wife likes to say that 60 is the new 10. Bill Huntley Universal Copies Columbia, SC ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:38 AM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Bill - > > Having "turned 60" (makes me feel like I've spun 180 degrees so my rotted > side is facing the ground - I often tell people that I'm approaching 50 from > the other direction), I can tell you, unequivocally, that you're right...and > wrong. > > Dan > Sir Speedy Printing Center > 5845 Hollywood Boulevard > Hollywood, FL 33021 > tel. 954.962.1309 > fax 954.962.1366 > dan@myprinter.biz > www.myprinter.biz > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Bill Huntley > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:40 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] 60 minute segment / Millennials > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Virtually every "generation" (an entirely arbitrary parsing of a continuum) > has always believed that the one that immediately followed it - or the one > after that - was comprised largely of useless turds (frequently - but not > always - those the weren't their own progeny) and was certain to lead > civilization as we know it to utter ruin. > > It is my belief that when a man turns 60 years old, He will most likely feel > that the world is going to hell in a handbasket, this time for sure. > > Bill Huntley > Universal Copies > Columbia, SC > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From sos at olympus.net Tue Nov 13 13:22:34 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Nov 13 13:22:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Rip Charges References: Message-ID: <08b101c82622$29890bd0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> > We have charges for just about everything. I recently charged a client > for > ripping $9.00 on his engineering copies. He told me he has never been > charged before at Staples. I do know that Staples around me sells 24" x > 36" for > $2.25 ea. Anyone else charge for ripping these copies? ====================== We charge a $5.00 minimum ($60 per hour) rip fee for all files, including Engineering copies. We charge $0.30 per square foot i.e. $1.80 for 2x3 and down to as low as $0.12 sq ft for larger amounts. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From mail at myprinter.biz Tue Nov 13 13:30:14 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Tue Nov 13 13:32:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need source: Thermographed full color Bus Cards In-Reply-To: <4739A621.5080004@charter.net> Message-ID: Mark - I just found our "stuff" on full color thermo business cards, and the samples don't look as bad as I remembered them looking. The source is (was?) www.awtarizona.com. Have no idea if they're still producing them. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Mark Stallings Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:27 AM To: PrintOwners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Need source: Thermographed full color Bus Cards ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Any suggestions? Thanks -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 1709 Walt Arney Road Lenoir, NC 28645 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mail at myprinter.biz Tue Nov 13 13:35:35 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Tue Nov 13 13:37:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Discount Labels and FSI In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0711130947s75549634w36d834c167e4b262@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: To All Sir Speedy and PIP franchisees on these lists: If you're not already aware of it, while Discount Labels is hot-linked to FSI websites and one of FSI's "favored vendors," FSI members get no discount from DL, while DL gives a 10% discount to NAQP members. Don't know about the rest of you, but that sort of pisses me off. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:47 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Adobe CEO Bruce Chizen steps down ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Nov 13, 2007 12:31 PM, wrote: > > Wonder why? "I'm not leaving under any cloud," said Chizen here: http://tinyurl.com/ywq7tq -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dvmonto at optonline.net Tue Nov 13 13:54:51 2007 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Tue Nov 13 13:55:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe CEO Bruce Chizen steps down In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0711130947s75549634w36d834c167e4b262@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Chizen, 52, who has served as Adobe's CEO for seven years as the company > collected record profits, said in a phone interview he was stepping down "to > take a break." > "This will be the first time in my life I've had a chance to take a step back > and figure out what I want to do for the rest of my life," Chizen said. "As > much as I love Adobe products and employees, I didn't want to find myself at > 55 saying, 'Gee, I wish I had done something else besides Adobe.' The role of > CEO is all-consuming." He is worried that 3 years from now he will still be at Adobe? Try working somewhere for 25 years!!!!!! -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net www.sirspeedy.com/wappingersfalls Debts can be chains, best used when they can haul you to new heights, rather than entangle your legs. It?s the same with possessions. "Man doesn?t possess possessions: they possess us". --Pete Seeger From sos at olympus.net Tue Nov 13 14:21:16 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Nov 13 14:21:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe CEO Bruce Chizen steps down References: Message-ID: <090601c8262a$5ca97330$0300a8c0@DANIEL> >He is worried that 3 years from now he will still be at Adobe? Try working somewhere for 25 years!!!!!! ================ He sounds like one of those Millennials doesn't he. I'm sure he can afford to do anything he wants. I wonder how all the crap Adobe took about the FedEx Kinko's link affected his thinking. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com Tue Nov 13 14:45:44 2007 From: jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com (Jim Quinn) Date: Tue Nov 13 14:38:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe CEO Bruce Chizen steps down In-Reply-To: <090601c8262a$5ca97330$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: We charge $10 for each file except for PDF's Jim Quinn Sir Speedy 4043 15323 Midway Road Addison, TX 75001 Phone 972-788-4266 Fax 972-788-2367 jquinn@sirspeedy4043.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:21 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Adobe CEO Bruce Chizen steps down ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >He is worried that 3 years from now he will still be at Adobe? Try working somewhere for 25 years!!!!!! ================ He sounds like one of those Millennials doesn't he. I'm sure he can afford to do anything he wants. I wonder how all the crap Adobe took about the FedEx Kinko's link affected his thinking. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From prtquick at eos.net Tue Nov 13 15:02:18 2007 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Tue Nov 13 15:02:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe CEO Bruce Chizen steps down In-Reply-To: <090601c8262a$5ca97330$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <090601c8262a$5ca97330$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <63309435694d9284dd7661a67e6b2f01@eos.net> If I just got his bonus, I would take a break too. Time to cash out! I maintain he was destroyed by John Henry's Print blog. Watch out, EFI!!! Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit us in our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing On Nov 13, 2007, at 2:21 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> He is worried that 3 years from now he will still be at Adobe? > > Try working somewhere for 25 years!!!!!! > ================ > > He sounds like one of those Millennials doesn't he. I'm sure he can > afford to do anything he wants. > I wonder how all the crap Adobe took about the FedEx Kinko's link > affected his thinking. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From brianoday at eprint.us Tue Nov 13 15:07:44 2007 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Tue Nov 13 15:08:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Discount Labels and FSI In-Reply-To: References: <98f5b19a0711130947s75549634w36d834c167e4b262@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c82630$daa03fc0$800101df@eprint.local> I would bet that that 10% goes to franchise services! When I was an ICED franchisee we got 10%. Brian O'Day ePrint 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:36 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only; PrintOwnersNG@googlegroups.com Subject: [PrintOwners] Discount Labels and FSI ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** To All Sir Speedy and PIP franchisees on these lists: If you're not already aware of it, while Discount Labels is hot-linked to FSI websites and one of FSI's "favored vendors," FSI members get no discount from DL, while DL gives a 10% discount to NAQP members. Don't know about the rest of you, but that sort of pisses me off. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:47 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Adobe CEO Bruce Chizen steps down ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Nov 13, 2007 12:31 PM, wrote: > > Wonder why? "I'm not leaving under any cloud," said Chizen here: http://tinyurl.com/ywq7tq -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From tim at schreurprinting.com Tue Nov 13 15:18:11 2007 From: tim at schreurprinting.com (Tim Schreur) Date: Tue Nov 13 15:16:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Security watermark for checks In-Reply-To: <20071113180203.185C7C7B19F@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: I have a client whose check has a watermark feature that is a kind of cross hatch pattern or lattices fenced pattern. Does anyone know who would sell checks with this feature? We have already spoken with DFS's custom division and they do not. any help would be appreciated. Thanks! ----------- Tim Schreur President Schreur Printing - Since 1946 "Our tradition is excellence, our technology is state of art" P 616-392-4405 F 616-392-4296 w www.schreurprinting.com From John at mpcny.com Tue Nov 13 15:21:41 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Tue Nov 13 15:21:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Adobe CEO Bruce Chizen steps down Message-ID: <004701c82632$cdd2be60$69783b20$@com> I maintain he was destroyed by John Henry's Print blog. Watch out, EFI!!!- Scott Finke Thanks Scott! Can I quote you in my next blog about this? John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.30/1127 - Release Date: 11/12/2007 9:19 PM From joseph at mauiprintworks.com Tue Nov 13 15:27:03 2007 From: joseph at mauiprintworks.com (Joseph Marsh) Date: Tue Nov 13 15:29:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Payroll % Message-ID: <7CB388C9-E6EF-4CB5-8AAD-36149BD1BD1E@mauiprintworks.com> What is the average % of your payroll to Gross Revenues? What would you include in your payroll %? Do you include the benefits like medical or the taxes and workman's comp? I have looked in the archives and in 2000 it seemed like 20-25% is average but no one says what that % includes. We are at about 27% in just payroll not including taxes or benefits. Thanks. Joseph Marsh Maui Print Works Phone: 808-242-6634 Fax: 808-242-8967 Cell: 808-264-6382 joseph@mauiprintworks.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 15:46:08 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Nov 13 15:46:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Payroll % In-Reply-To: <7CB388C9-E6EF-4CB5-8AAD-36149BD1BD1E@mauiprintworks.com> References: <7CB388C9-E6EF-4CB5-8AAD-36149BD1BD1E@mauiprintworks.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0711131246n38c81f00l6a1c0d45fdd81601@mail.gmail.com> On Nov 13, 2007 3:27 PM, Joseph Marsh wrote: > > What is the average % of your payroll to Gross Revenues? What would > you include in your payroll %? Do you include the benefits like > medical or the taxes and workman's comp? > > I have looked in the archives and in 2000 it seemed like 20-25% is > average but no one says what that % includes. We are at about 27% in > just payroll not including taxes or benefits. I'll leave this for John S to answer completely, but think in terms of all variable expenses related to each incremental employee. Yes, payroll taxes (employer's share of FICA as well as unemployment taxes ) and employee benefits and workers' comp -- these are all variable expenses that, like wages, are determined by your employee census, and are, therefore, factored in. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From nt at andrewsblueprint.com Tue Nov 13 16:18:32 2007 From: nt at andrewsblueprint.com (Nancy Thomsen) Date: Tue Nov 13 16:18:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Payroll % In-Reply-To: <7CB388C9-E6EF-4CB5-8AAD-36149BD1BD1E@mauiprintworks.com> References: <7CB388C9-E6EF-4CB5-8AAD-36149BD1BD1E@mauiprintworks.com> Message-ID: <20071113211839.9C5C4C7BF12@rb.enter.net> I include wages, employee benefits and employee payroll taxes. I have my wages and benefits as separate accounts, but have to estimate my payroll taxes. Nancy Nancy Thomsen Andrews Blueprint, Inc 269 Griffin St. Salinas, CA 93901 Phone: (831) 424-0331 www.andrewsblueprint.com At 12:27 PM 11/13/2007, Joseph Marsh wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >What is the average % of your payroll to Gross Revenues? What would >you include in your payroll %? Do you include the benefits like >medical or the taxes and workman's comp? > >I have looked in the archives and in 2000 it seemed like 20-25% is >average but no one says what that % includes. We are at about 27% in >just payroll not including taxes or benefits. > >Thanks. > >Joseph Marsh >Maui Print Works >Phone: 808-242-6634 >Fax: 808-242-8967 >Cell: 808-264-6382 >joseph@mauiprintworks.com From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Tue Nov 13 15:38:54 2007 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Wendt) Date: Tue Nov 13 16:19:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Payroll % In-Reply-To: <7CB388C9-E6EF-4CB5-8AAD-36149BD1BD1E@mauiprintworks.com> Message-ID: On 11/13/07 2:27 PM, "Joseph Marsh" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > What is the average % of your payroll to Gross Revenues? What would > you include in your payroll %? Do you include the benefits like > medical or the taxes and workman's comp? > > I have looked in the archives and in 2000 it seemed like 20-25% is > average but no one says what that % includes. We are at about 27% in > just payroll not including taxes or benefits. We include all employee expenses - taxes, group insurance, etc. We are at 22.3% after I take out my compensation. I think a total number in the low 20's would be considered very good. But John Stewart can really answer that question better than I can. Cyndy -- Cyndy Wendt President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Nov 13 16:23:01 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Nov 13 16:24:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Payroll % Message-ID: In a message dated 11/13/2007 4:10:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, joseph@mauiprintworks.com writes: What is the average % of your payroll to Gross Revenues? What would you include in your payroll %? Do you include the benefits like medical or the taxes and workman's comp? Payroll expenses, excluding all pay and benefits paid to a single owner, should include all payroll related costs such as FICA, health insurance, payroll taxes, worker's comp, unemployment, etc. In many cases and for some unknown reason, many accountant types end up putting what is clearly a payroll related expense down under general overhead, when it should be under its own category called payroll. Having said that, payroll expenses among profit leaders runs in the 25-28% range while among profit laggards it runs in the 33-36% range and even higher. P.S. Payroll expenses are the single largest expense in the printing industry and nothing else comes close. You can bargain on paper costs and pay low rents, but if your payroll costs are too high you are destined for mediocrity at best. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Tue Nov 13 16:35:52 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Tue Nov 13 16:37:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Discount Labels and FSI In-Reply-To: <000001c82630$daa03fc0$800101df@eprint.local> References: <98f5b19a0711130947s75549634w36d834c167e4b262@mail.gmail.com> <000001c82630$daa03fc0$800101df@eprint.local> Message-ID: We have always gotten 10% on labels. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:36 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only; PrintOwnersNG@googlegroups.com Subject: [PrintOwners] Discount Labels and FSI ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** To All Sir Speedy and PIP franchisees on these lists: If you're not already aware of it, while Discount Labels is hot-linked to FSI websites and one of FSI's "favored vendors," FSI members get no discount from DL, while DL gives a 10% discount to NAQP members. Don't know about the rest of you, but that sort of pisses me off. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz From kevin at abfprints.com Tue Nov 13 17:36:06 2007 From: kevin at abfprints.com (Kevin Danko) Date: Tue Nov 13 17:40:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Payroll % In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <016201c82645$94e8e8f0$1700a8c0@abf.local> Since we are incorporated my (President) salary is now included as employee wages. Should my salary come out or is it also included when figuring your percentages? Kevin Danko Advantage Business Forms 102 N. Riverside Ave. Rialto, CA 92376 Phone: (909) 875-7163 Fax: (909) 875-7971 www.abfprints.com E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:23 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Payroll % ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 11/13/2007 4:10:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, joseph@mauiprintworks.com writes: What is the average % of your payroll to Gross Revenues? What would you include in your payroll %? Do you include the benefits like medical or the taxes and workman's comp? Payroll expenses, excluding all pay and benefits paid to a single owner, should include all payroll related costs such as FICA, health insurance, payroll taxes, worker's comp, unemployment, etc. In many cases and for some unknown reason, many accountant types end up putting what is clearly a payroll related expense down under general overhead, when it should be under its own category called payroll. Having said that, payroll expenses among profit leaders runs in the 25-28% range while among profit laggards it runs in the 33-36% range and even higher. P.S. Payroll expenses are the single largest expense in the printing industry and nothing else comes close. You can bargain on paper costs and pay low rents, but if your payroll costs are too high you are destined for mediocrity at best. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Tue Nov 13 17:43:59 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (Larry Taylor) Date: Tue Nov 13 17:44:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Millenium generation??? In-Reply-To: <20071113200246.7DCEBC7B9EE@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Millenium generation?? I see a lack of leadership turning out these kids. Parental, Political; Educational. Isn't leadership 'leaders teaching others to be leaders'. And, isn't leadership an ongoing process, which requires accountability by the leader and leadee? As far as personality and Wonderlick testing is concerned (attn: Bill Grief) ) I can assure you that a good leader can take a bunch of 'misfits' and make good employees and even leaders out of them. Over and over again. No testing required. There are way too many lost people in need of good leaders. It would be like playing football with no goal posts, or golf without a hole....people just wandering around in circles. Teach your 'lazy' employees to become leaders. Teach them to become owners of your business. Make it a goal for employees to actually look forward to coming to work on Mondays!! It's exciting. It's worth the effort. Best, Larry DPP/Tucson Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing.com Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 From ahavens at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 13 18:03:12 2007 From: ahavens at sbcglobal.net (Austin Havens) Date: Tue Nov 13 17:58:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Payroll % References: <016201c82645$94e8e8f0$1700a8c0@abf.local> Message-ID: <002d01c82649$5e4509b0$0201a8c0@austin> If you are a working officer, your compensation package should be counted in payroll expenses. You may split out administrative payroll from production payroll, but your salary should count toward the payroll expense. If you were not working, you would be paying someone else to work in your place (management or production) and would have a payroll expense for that person. Austin Havens Havens Printing & Copy Shop 200 N Main McPherson, KS 67460 620-241-5400 ahavens@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Danko" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 4:36 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Payroll % > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Since we are incorporated my (President) salary is now included as employee > wages. Should my salary come out or is it also included when figuring your > percentages? > > Kevin Danko > Advantage Business Forms > 102 N. Riverside Ave. > Rialto, CA 92376 > Phone: (909) 875-7163 > Fax: (909) 875-7971 > www.abfprints.com > E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:23 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Payroll % > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > In a message dated 11/13/2007 4:10:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > joseph@mauiprintworks.com writes: > > What is the average % of your payroll to Gross Revenues? What would > you include in your payroll %? Do you include the benefits like > medical or the taxes and workman's comp? > > > > Payroll expenses, excluding all pay and benefits paid to a single owner, > should include all payroll related costs such as FICA, health insurance, > payroll > taxes, worker's comp, unemployment, etc. In many cases and for some unknown > > reason, many accountant types end up putting what is clearly a payroll > related expense down under general overhead, when it should be under its > own > category called payroll. > > Having said that, payroll expenses among profit leaders runs in the 25-28% > range while among profit laggards it runs in the 33-36% range and even > higher. > P.S. Payroll expenses are the single largest expense in the printing > industry > and nothing else comes close. You can bargain on paper costs and pay low > rents, but if your payroll costs are too high you are destined for > mediocrity at > best. > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 18:01:04 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Nov 13 18:01:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Millenium generation??? In-Reply-To: References: <20071113200246.7DCEBC7B9EE@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0711131501m404231b4j760a317d3cb94d18@mail.gmail.com> On Nov 13, 2007 5:43 PM, Larry Taylor wrote: > > As far as personality and Wonderlick testing is > concerned (attn: Bill Grief) ) I can assure you that a good leader > can take a bunch of 'misfits' and make good employees and even leaders out > of them. > > Over and over again. No testing required. I'd swear you once told us about your exceptionally high IQ staff, Larry. Or wasn't that you? While I agree with your comments about leadership, and I feel a strong company culture counts for a lot, I disagree that you can turn just any personality into a good employee, much less into a leader. Modify some behaviors, yes; change personalities -- not likely. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Nov 13 18:25:52 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Nov 13 18:26:21 2007 Subject: Leadership & Misfits? Re: [PrintOwners] Millenium generation??? Message-ID: In a message dated 11/13/2007 5:46:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, eatnsleepgolf@msn.com writes: As far as personality and Wonderlick testing is concerned (attn: Bill Grief) ) I can assure you that a good leader can take a bunch of 'misfits' and make good employees and even leaders out of them. Well Larry, the only place where I know that the above probably works (and I think Bill who was a Major or Lt. Col in the Army would agree) is in the military but then again the fear of death or being blown up and losing a limb is a great motivator.... now, if we could apply the same type of motivation in our own businesses I would agree with the premise. "Cathy (the new typesetter) just want to let you know that the new Mac we have is automatically designed to blow up in your face with a small charge of C4 and could seriously injure you or even kill you if you do not automatically allow for proper gripper room or miss a spell-check. It was an option we paid extra for, although I will admit we've had to replace that machine twice with the last two DTP employees." John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt & John Stewart _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Nov 13 18:30:16 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Nov 13 18:31:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Payroll % Message-ID: In a message dated 11/13/2007 6:00:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ahavens@sbcglobal.net writes: If you are a working officer, your compensation package should be counted in payroll expenses. You may split out administrative payroll from production payroll, but your salary should count toward the payroll expense. Austin, When "payroll" is used as a ratio in our industry it absolutely excludes that paid to the working officer. That's been an industry standard for 30+ years. Officer's salary and benefits is added to pre-tax profits to arrive at "owner's compensation." This allows for a much more accurate method of comparing apples to apples. Officer's salary varies greatly and is often adjusted up or down by the owner for a variety of reasons. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt & John Stewart _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Nov 13 18:32:09 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Nov 13 18:32:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Payroll % Message-ID: In a message dated 11/13/2007 5:41:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kevin@abfprints.com writes: Should my salary come out or is it also included when figuring your percentages? If you want to avail yourself of comparative ratios in the industry, it should be excluded or stated separately from all other wages, benefits and taxes. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt & John Stewart _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From billg at TGAssociates.com Tue Nov 13 18:44:01 2007 From: billg at TGAssociates.com (Bill Greif) Date: Tue Nov 13 18:43:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Millenium generation??? In-Reply-To: References: <20071113200246.7DCEBC7B9EE@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <007701c8264f$11854e40$6701a8c0@BILL> Hi Larry, If you have the choice of finding a smart applicant with a good personality, why would you expend tons of energy on a hopeful attempt to turn a misfit into a leader? As I listen to the owners and managers in this industry, it is obvious they don't have time to waste. They need employees who fit their team culture and who are smart enough to learn all of the new technology. But back to the Millennials. What I saw in the discussion was the same thing a lot of business owners in other industries are saying, "We just won't hire them." The problem is that unemployment continues at record lows. In some parts of the country it is at 2% or less. While we may decry the attitudes of the Millennials, it is important to realize that there are fewer in that generation than in the boomers. So the shortage of candidates will get worse. You will be able to avoid hiring them for just so long and then they will be all that there is to hire. So if you are going to grow, you need to know how to deal with them. Bill Greif TG & Associates billg@tgassociates.com www.tgassociates.com Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 Toll Free 877-842-7762 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Larry Taylor Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 3:44 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Millenium generation??? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Millenium generation?? I see a lack of leadership turning out these kids. Parental, Political; Educational. Isn't leadership 'leaders teaching others to be leaders'. And, isn't leadership an ongoing process, which requires accountability by the leader and leadee? As far as personality and Wonderlick testing is concerned (attn: Bill Grief) ) I can assure you that a good leader can take a bunch of 'misfits' and make good employees and even leaders out of them. Over and over again. No testing required. There are way too many lost people in need of good leaders. It would be like playing football with no goal posts, or golf without a hole....people just wandering around in circles. Teach your 'lazy' employees to become leaders. Teach them to become owners of your business. Make it a goal for employees to actually look forward to coming to work on Mondays!! It's exciting. It's worth the effort. Best, Larry DPP/Tucson Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing.com Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Nov 13 19:07:58 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Nov 13 19:11:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] (kinda OFF) If you have 5 minutes... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200711140011.lAE0BHw5013549@i2bnetworks.com> My sister, who lives in Orange County (you know, the OC) about 75 miles north of here sent me this link about a week ago. I hadn't had the time to look at it until this afternoon. It was so well done, and put such a human element on what many people here experienced a few weeks ago, I thought I'd share. This is narrated by the actual photographers who work for the Orange County Register (big newspaper) who captured these images. If you have time...... http://tinyurl.com/2l3djv S. _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From sgfinke at fuse.net Tue Nov 13 20:00:32 2007 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Tue Nov 13 20:02:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] (kinda OFF) If you have 5 minutes... In-Reply-To: <200711140011.lAE0BHw5013549@i2bnetworks.com> References: <200711140011.lAE0BHw5013549@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: Thanks for that link, Scott. That was amazing and moving. Are all the fires out, now? They vanished from the news, but then, so did the Hurricane Katrina damage... and that's still very much present. Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On Nov 13, 2007, at 7:07 PM, Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > My sister, who lives in Orange County (you know, the OC) about 75 > miles north of here sent me this link about a week ago. I hadn't > had the time to look at it until this afternoon. > > It was so well done, and put such a human element on what many > people here experienced a few weeks ago, I thought I'd share. > > This is narrated by the actual photographers who work for the > Orange County Register (big newspaper) who captured these images. > > If you have time...... > > http://tinyurl.com/2l3djv > > S. > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Wed Nov 14 03:40:46 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Wed Nov 14 03:41:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Good Geif References: <20071113234359.B92B3C7C906@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: I suppose I will have to learn the secret handshake, because no one seems to understand these allegedly 'new' people....so it's got to be a secret handshake. I haven't dealt with a 'new' person in so long, I think it was in grade school. We had secret handshakes. Hi Larry, If you have the choice of finding a smart applicant with a good personality, why would you expend tons of energy on a hopeful attempt to turn a misfit into a leader? >>>I wouldn't, I'd take person #1 and inspire them to understand why they need to teach what they can to others. As I listen to the owners and managers in this industry, it is obvious they don't have time to waste. >>>>>Me either. Do these millennia folks have identifying markings, such as a wing or a sail growing somewhere on their body? I think that would be an added benefit......ummmm but I don't have time to waste, either. They need employees who fit their team culture and who are smart enough to learn all of the new technology. >>>>Same here. Maybe if they all had the same kind of wing or sail, they would feel more comfortable learning the technology? But back to the Millennials. What I saw in the discussion was the same thing a lot of business owners in other industries are saying, "We just won't hire them." >>>>Cuz a lot of business owners don't know a potato from an orange. They have to be grown differently, and it's just not difficult. These millennials must have a lot of passion and spirit to be on this mission. That's good. You will be able to avoid hiring them for just so long and then they will be all that there is to hire. So if you are going to grow, you need to know how to deal with them. >>>>>Secret handshake, and I'm going to patent it. Thanks for the insight........we should eat lunch some day, if you really live in Tucson! Larry Taylor Bill Greif TG & Associates From mail at myprinter.biz Wed Nov 14 06:37:06 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Wed Nov 14 06:39:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Discount Labels and FSI In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "We have always gotten 10% on labels. " Mark Mark - Perfect! This moves the travesty from the arena of complete incompetence into the realm of discriminatory largesse. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Mark Lake Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 4:36 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Discount Labels and FSI ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have always gotten 10% on labels. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:36 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only; PrintOwnersNG@googlegroups.com Subject: [PrintOwners] Discount Labels and FSI ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** To All Sir Speedy and PIP franchisees on these lists: If you're not already aware of it, while Discount Labels is hot-linked to FSI websites and one of FSI's "favored vendors," FSI members get no discount from DL, while DL gives a 10% discount to NAQP members. Don't know about the rest of you, but that sort of pisses me off. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From carisa at holmesprinting.com Wed Nov 14 08:33:31 2007 From: carisa at holmesprinting.com (Carisa Holmes-Peters) Date: Wed Nov 14 08:34:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Payroll % (QKCONSULT@aol.com) In-Reply-To: <20071113234359.B92B3C7C906@rb.enter.net> References: <20071113234359.B92B3C7C906@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: John...my apologies...I know I have asked this question before. We now have three equal working owners, how would we look at this so as to be able to compare ourselves to others in the industry when looking at payroll percentages? Thank you! Carisa Carisa Holmes-Peters HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street ? Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 ? Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com ? http://www.holmesprinting.com/ On Nov 13, 2007, at 6:43 PM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > Austin, > > When "payroll" is used as a ratio in our industry it absolutely > excludes > that paid to the working officer. That's been an industry standard > for 30+ > years. Officer's salary and benefits is added to pre-tax profits to > arrive at > "owner's compensation." This allows for a much more accurate method > of comparing > apples to apples. Officer's salary varies greatly and is often > adjusted up or > down by the owner for a variety of reasons. > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By > Larry Hunt & > John Stewart > _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 > FAX 321-727-2166 > CELL: 321-794-6259 From ahavens at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 14 09:11:47 2007 From: ahavens at sbcglobal.net (Havens Printing and Copy Shop) Date: Wed Nov 14 09:08:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Security watermark for checks References: Message-ID: <002501c826c8$4bdfc510$1a01a8c0@Leah> We used to buy check paper from our paper supplier with a pattern like that. It was called "basket weave". Would a Google for "check paper basketweave" be a possibility? I haven't seen the pattern recently. Austin Havens, Owner Havens Printing & Copy Shop 200 N Main McPherson, KS 67460 620-241-5400 ahavens@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Schreur" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 2:18 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Security watermark for checks > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a client whose check has a watermark feature that is > a kind of cross hatch pattern or lattices fenced pattern. > > Does anyone know who would sell checks with this feature? > > We have already spoken with DFS's custom division and they do not. > > any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks! > ----------- > Tim Schreur > President > Schreur Printing - Since 1946 > "Our tradition is excellence, our technology is state of art" > P 616-392-4405 > F 616-392-4296 > w www.schreurprinting.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com Wed Nov 14 11:19:21 2007 From: richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com (Richard Moffat) Date: Wed Nov 14 11:19:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Discount Labels and FSI In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark, I have and inside contact at DL and they are seeing about our discount for Sir Speedy's and PIP's. She did tell me that the reason you are getting your discount is because you are listed as a NAQP member, not because you are a PIP. I did mention to her that there is a big uproar about this and they do not want to antagonize us and they are going to see about the discount for us. Richard Moffat Sir Speedy 244 S.W. 6th Street Miami, Florida 33130 (305) 285-1401 Tel (305) 285-1402 Fax richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com www.sirspeedy-brickell.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Mark Lake Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 4:36 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Discount Labels and FSI ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have always gotten 10% on labels. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:36 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only; PrintOwnersNG@googlegroups.com Subject: [PrintOwners] Discount Labels and FSI ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** To All Sir Speedy and PIP franchisees on these lists: If you're not already aware of it, while Discount Labels is hot-linked to FSI websites and one of FSI's "favored vendors," FSI members get no discount from DL, while DL gives a 10% discount to NAQP members. Don't know about the rest of you, but that sort of pisses me off. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bgallagher at nbn.net Wed Nov 14 11:26:57 2007 From: bgallagher at nbn.net (Bob Gallagher) Date: Wed Nov 14 11:27:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Security watermark for checks In-Reply-To: <002501c826c8$4bdfc510$1a01a8c0@Leah> Message-ID: On 11/14/07 9:11 AM, "Havens Printing and Copy Shop" wrote: Simpson Security Papers makes several sheets with a basket weave. They are in Burlington, Iowa. Www.simpsonsecuritypapers.com Lindenmeyer Munroe handles the line on the East Coast. Bob Gallagher Assigner Chesapeake Basin Collegiate Umpires Association 521 N. Houcks Road Harrisburg, PA 17109 717-269-4891 Fax 717-838-5715 From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Nov 14 11:30:37 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Nov 14 11:31:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Payroll % (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Message-ID: In a message dated 11/14/2007 8:35:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, carisa@holmesprinting.com writes: John...my apologies...I know I have asked this question before. We now have three equal working owners, how would we look at this so as to be able to compare ourselves to others in the industry when looking at payroll percentages? Carisa, You need to first total up the payroll and benefit costs paid to you and on your behalf by the company. For simplicity sake, let's say you are each taking out $60,000 in initial owner's compensation. Now, you have to look at two of the positions and determine what the real costs would be if you had to replace those two individuals on the open market. Let's just assume one does CSR and design work and while very good, could be replaced by someone for $40,000. Let's say the other person does production management, scheduling, etc. and you could probably find someone for $45,000 to perform those functions. The net difference between what two of them are being paid ($120,000) and what it would cost to replace them ($85,000) would be considered excess payroll and would transfer to the remaining $60,000 salary of the third partner. In this case that would be ($35,000 + $60,000) or $95,000. That $95,000 added to any corporate net profits left in the business would constitute your true "owner's comp" and that is the number you could use when comparing owner's comp in apples to apples scenarios. Hope that makes sense. Hope John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From jeff at hprinting.biz Wed Nov 14 11:40:08 2007 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Wed Nov 14 11:40:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Postal Barcode Reader Message-ID: <20071114164008.5862.18415@hm-pop1.solinus.com> We have a scanner to read UPC symbols and I recently saw one advertised that reads the Postal Barcode. It would seem having a way to read the postal barcode could catch potential Merlin problems with the barcode quality. The problem is I paid about $200 for the reader that reads UPC and other barcodes. I saw one advertised that reads postal barcodes recently and they want $1,300. Seems pretty high, but they had a nice ad on the front of a magazine and have to pay for it and me being tight don't want to. So my question is do others have a reader to verify postal barcode quality and if so how much do you use it? Where did you buy it? How much? Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Wed Nov 14 11:44:36 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Wed Nov 14 11:46:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Discount Labels and FSI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm wondering when they stopped the discount for PIP. I have always had that discount (as long as I can remember anyway) and I've only been a PII/NAQP member for about 4 years. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Richard Moffat Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 10:19 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Discount Labels and FSI ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Mark, I have and inside contact at DL and they are seeing about our discount for Sir Speedy's and PIP's. She did tell me that the reason you are getting your discount is because you are listed as a NAQP member, not because you are a PIP. I did mention to her that there is a big uproar about this and they do not want to antagonize us and they are going to see about the discount for us. Richard Moffat Sir Speedy 244 S.W. 6th Street Miami, Florida 33130 (305) 285-1401 Tel (305) 285-1402 Fax richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com www.sirspeedy-brickell.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Mark Lake Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 4:36 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Discount Labels and FSI ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have always gotten 10% on labels. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:36 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only; PrintOwnersNG@googlegroups.com Subject: [PrintOwners] Discount Labels and FSI ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** To All Sir Speedy and PIP franchisees on these lists: If you're not already aware of it, while Discount Labels is hot-linked to FSI websites and one of FSI's "favored vendors," FSI members get no discount from DL, while DL gives a 10% discount to NAQP members. Don't know about the rest of you, but that sort of pisses me off. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From billg at TGAssociates.com Wed Nov 14 11:55:10 2007 From: billg at TGAssociates.com (Bill Greif) Date: Wed Nov 14 11:55:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Good Geif (Is this supposed to be Greif?) In-Reply-To: References: <20071113234359.B92B3C7C906@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <003a01c826df$1e4a56d0$6701a8c0@BILL> No Larry, they do not have any distinguishing physical features that will identify them. Of course their mothers might come along for the interview and grill you on what you are going to do to promote Jack and Jill. Because they don't have physical markings is the reason you do all of the checks we recommend before you hire. Much time on the PrintOwners is spent discussing which equipment or software to buy and trying to gain advantage by having the best. Remember, your competitors are buying the same equipment and software so what is going to distinguish your from your competitors? It is the people who create the designs that meet your client's expectations, who prepare the files that flow to the presses and printers and who operate that equipment so it produces the quality it is touted to have. And it is your people who interface with those customers and are able to properly represent your culture, pursue your vision and comply with your mission statement and values. Peter Drucker once said, "One third of all hirings are dismal failures and in no other part of the business would we allow such poor performance." Debra Thompson and I wrote No More Rotten Eggs - 13 Steps to Hiring Grade AA Talent to help owners and managers institute a disciplined hiring process to find the characteristics that do distinguish people. It is not just Personality profiles and Wonderlic, it is reference and background checking, prescreening and interviewing, on equipment testing and in today's world, it is drug testing as well. Because your competitor can match you in facilities and equipment, the only way you can gain a competitive advantage is through a competent, stable, well-led staff. Debra has devoted her energies to improving the human side of business because she is interested in creating successful businesses and firmly believes that is only done through the people. If a business owner is interested in success and growth, he or she needs to give the people the same level of attention as the equipment because that is where the payoff will come. John Stewart said yesterday that Payroll costs are the biggest expense and they have been increasing each year that he has studied them. However, I believe he will also point out that the profit leaders keep their payroll costs lower not be paying lower wages but by improving the quality of the people they have so that there is greater efficiency and productivity. Their sales per employee are higher than the laggards. They invest in their people and it pays off. One other thing to consider about wages is that "average wages are for average employees." And yes Larry, we are in Tucson. Our offices are right across Grant Road from the "Dinosaur" McDonald's. Bill Greif TG & Associates billg@tgassociates.com www.tgassociates.com Telephone 520-751-8922; Fax 520-751-7515 Toll Free 877-842-7762 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of larry Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 1:41 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Good Geif ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I suppose I will have to learn the secret handshake, because no one seems to understand these allegedly 'new' people....so it's got to be a secret handshake. I haven't dealt with a 'new' person in so long, I think it was in grade school. We had secret handshakes. >>>>>Me either. Do these millennia folks have identifying markings, such as a wing or a sail growing somewhere on their body? I think that would be an added benefit......ummmm but I don't have time to waste, either. Thanks for the insight........we should eat lunch some day, if you really live in Tucson! Larry Taylor Bill Greif TG & Associates _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From digitalgraphics at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 14 13:16:55 2007 From: digitalgraphics at sbcglobal.net (Chris Barton) Date: Wed Nov 14 13:17:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scented inks? In-Reply-To: <20071114170004.400F7C7F3ED@rb.enter.net> References: <20071114170004.400F7C7F3ED@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <005101c826ea$8a38f350$6401a8c0@Chris> I have a customer asking about scented inks....specifically....chocolate.....is this something I can do on my offset press? Digital Color Graphics, Inc. 3209 W. Warner Avenue Santa Ana, CA 92704 (714) 241-8443 www.digitalcolorgraphics.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.31/1130 - Release Date: 11/14/2007 9:27 AM From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Nov 14 13:39:31 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Nov 14 13:40:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scented inks? Message-ID: In a message dated 11/14/2007 1:19:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, digitalgraphics@sbcglobal.net writes: I have a customer asking about scented inks....specifically....chocolate.....is this something I can do on my offset press? Sure, it is easy.... just remember that your whole shop will carry that smell for days and days! I don't know about "chocolate" but mint and evergreen, peppermint, etc. I know are available. You just run them as regular inks. Nothing to it. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From char at themasterspress.com Wed Nov 14 16:23:23 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Wed Nov 14 16:24:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scented inks? In-Reply-To: <005101c826ea$8a38f350$6401a8c0@Chris> References: <20071114170004.400F7C7F3ED@rb.enter.net> <005101c826ea$8a38f350$6401a8c0@Chris> Message-ID: <009201c82704$9dbfbc00$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Chris we just got some coffee scent from Scentisphere. It is rub n smell instead of scratch n smell. We have just done a test run to try it out and it works nice. But it does work better it seems on coated paper than uncoated. To mail the scent has to be on the inside, and not the outside for the post office sake. It runs just like a varnish. The larger the area the better. BUT it is expensive stuff. The minimum was two pounds at $350 a pound. We are hoping to sell more to customers with our promotion. Or if there is anyone who wants to buy a can of coffee smell I will give you a good deal for 1 pound. It goes a long way. www.scentisphere.com 914-686-2400 x10 Mariela Diaz Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Chris Barton Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 12:17 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Scented inks? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a customer asking about scented inks....specifically....chocolate.....is this something I can do on my offset press? Digital Color Graphics, Inc. 3209 W. Warner Avenue Santa Ana, CA 92704 (714) 241-8443 www.digitalcolorgraphics.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.31/1130 - Release Date: 11/14/2007 9:27 AM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From stumarty at wrightprinting.com Wed Nov 14 16:31:14 2007 From: stumarty at wrightprinting.com (Stu) Date: Wed Nov 14 16:31:35 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scented inks? In-Reply-To: <005101c826ea$8a38f350$6401a8c0@Chris> References: <20071114170004.400F7C7F3ED@rb.enter.net> <005101c826ea$8a38f350$6401a8c0@Chris> Message-ID: On or about 10:16 AM -0800 11/14/07, Chris Barton emailed the following: >I have a customer asking about scented >inks....specifically....chocolate.....is this something I can do on my >offset press? We have used standard oil-base ink, and mixed in a little scent (also oil based) bought at a local craft store (used for scenting candles). It worked great. And the first time we did it, it WAS a chocolate scent we used. They come in small bottles. It takes very little to add a noticeable scent, because it is so dispersed when printed. -just old stu- -- =============== SETTING IT WRIGHT: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - David Rice Atchison was the twelfth president of the United States. No, really! He really was...honest! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wright Printing Co. -- Central Illinois' biggest little print shop. 203 North St., Normal, IL 61761 309 452-4409 Fax 452-7422 Personal Mobile Phone: 309 826-1132 (Stu) mailto:stu@wrightprinting.com - http://www.wrightprinting.com From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Wed Nov 14 16:39:05 2007 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Wed Nov 14 16:39:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scented inks? In-Reply-To: References: <20071114170004.400F7C7F3ED@rb.enter.net> <005101c826ea$8a38f350$6401a8c0@Chris> Message-ID: <473B6AF9.7070806@sugarloafprint.com> Stu wrote: > We have used standard oil-base ink, and mixed in a little scent (also > oil based) bought at a local craft store (used for scenting candles). > It worked great. And the first time we did it, it WAS a chocolate > scent we used. They come in small bottles. It takes very little to add > a noticeable scent, because it is so dispersed when printed. That will work fine. There is no magic in ink formulas. -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From char at themasterspress.com Wed Nov 14 16:57:20 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Wed Nov 14 16:57:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scented inks? In-Reply-To: References: <20071114170004.400F7C7F3ED@rb.enter.net><005101c826ea$8a38f350$6401a8c0@Chris> Message-ID: <009801c82709$54ab23b0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Stu I wished you were reading this in Oct when I was asking about it. I would have brought you lots of drinks to save $700 on this ink. :-) OH well. Good idea. I would test it first though. I know the post office told us very specifically that if the scent was on the outside, it would not mail. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Stu Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 3:31 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Scented inks? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On or about 10:16 AM -0800 11/14/07, Chris Barton emailed the following: >I have a customer asking about scented >inks....specifically....chocolate.....is this something I can do on my >offset press? We have used standard oil-base ink, and mixed in a little scent (also oil based) bought at a local craft store (used for scenting candles). It worked great. And the first time we did it, it WAS a chocolate scent we used. They come in small bottles. It takes very little to add a noticeable scent, because it is so dispersed when printed. -just old stu- -- =============== SETTING IT WRIGHT: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - David Rice Atchison was the twelfth president of the United States. No, really! He really was...honest! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wright Printing Co. -- Central Illinois' biggest little print shop. 203 North St., Normal, IL 61761 309 452-4409 Fax 452-7422 Personal Mobile Phone: 309 826-1132 (Stu) mailto:stu@wrightprinting.com - http://www.wrightprinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From stumarty at wrightprinting.com Wed Nov 14 17:13:16 2007 From: stumarty at wrightprinting.com (Stu) Date: Wed Nov 14 17:13:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scented inks? In-Reply-To: <009801c82709$54ab23b0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <20071114170004.400F7C7F3ED@rb.enter.net><005101c826ea$8a38f350$6401a8c0@C hris> <009801c82709$54ab23b0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: On or about 3:57 PM -0600 11/14/07, Charlene Sims emailed the following: > Good idea. I would test it first though. I know the post office told >us very specifically that if the scent was on the outside, it would not Char, The piece I mentioned (chocolate) was on a Christmas card, and it went in an envelope. Also, it was several years ago (pre-9/11, and pre-wafer), so I imagine the PO was more lenient. The other piece we did (citrus) went on a sticker (not mailed). However, just between you and me and the rest of the list, I bet the postal workers might appreciate a little chocolate aroma, after dealing with all those horrid perfume smells that percolate out of women's magazines. I HATE those -- especially mixed all together! -just old stu- -- =============== SETTING IT WRIGHT: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - David Rice Atchison was the twelfth president of the United States. No, really! He really was...honest! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wright Printing Co. -- Central Illinois' biggest little print shop. 203 North St., Normal, IL 61761 309 452-4409 Fax 452-7422 Personal Mobile Phone: 309 826-1132 (Stu) mailto:stu@wrightprinting.com - http://www.wrightprinting.com From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Wed Nov 14 17:29:49 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Wed Nov 14 17:30:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Plastic Cards Message-ID: I'm looking for 4/1 plastic cards. Black back with section for signature. Anyone do these now or have info for best source? As always thanks Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From stalprint at charter.net Wed Nov 14 17:39:58 2007 From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings) Date: Wed Nov 14 17:40:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Plastic Cards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <473B793E.5060606@charter.net> www.arthurblank.com or Random Speccialities 952-944-7600 Random Speccialities 952-944-7600 Random Speccialities 952-944-7600 Random Speccialities 952-944-7600 VillagePrinting1@aol.com wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I'm looking for 4/1 plastic cards. Black back with section for signature. >Anyone do these now or have info for best source? As always thanks > > > >Tommy Melendez > > >Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. >3612 E. Tremont Avenue >Bronx, N.Y. 10465 >NAQP Member #1031539 >718.904.7760 >718.892.2315 Fax >_www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) > > > > > > >************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 1709 Walt Arney Road Lenoir, NC 28645 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net From acepm2 at gmail.com Thu Nov 15 05:31:02 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Thu Nov 15 05:31:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: Headlines for the year 2029 Message-ID: Something to lighten the day a bit. - Thom HEADLINES FOR YEAR: 2029 Ozone created by electric cars now killing millions in the seventh largest country in the world, Mexifornia, formerly known as California. White minorities still trying to have English recognized as Mexifornia's third language. Spotted Owl plague threatens northwestern United States crops and livestock. Baby conceived naturally. Scientists stumped. Couple petitions court to reinstate heterosexual marriage. Last remaining Fundamentalist Muslim dies in the American Territory of the Middle East (formerly known as Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Lebanon). Iran still closed off; physicists estimate it will take at least 10 more years before radioactivity decreases to safe levels. France pleads for global help after being taken over by Jamaica. Castro finally dies at age 112; Cuban cigars can now be imported legally, but President Chelsea Clinton has banned all smoking. George Z. Bush says he will run for President in 2036. Postal Service raises price of first class stamp to $17.89 and reduces mail delivery to Wednesdays only. 85-year $75.8 billion study: Diet and Exercise is the key to weight loss. Average weight of Americans drops to 250 lbs. Japanese scientists have created a camera with such a fast shutter speed, they now can photograph a woman with her mouth shut. Massachusetts executes last remaining conservative. Supreme Court rules punishment of criminals, violates their civil rights. Average height of NBA players is now nine feet, seven inches. New federal law requires that all nail clippers, screwdrivers, fly swatters and rolled-up newspapers must be registered by January 2036. Congress authorizes direct deposit of formerly illegal political contributions to campaign accounts. IRS sets lowest tax rate at 75 percent. Florida voters still having trouble with voting machines. -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From jdowning at libertygrouponline.com Thu Nov 15 08:02:47 2007 From: jdowning at libertygrouponline.com (Joy Downing) Date: Thu Nov 15 08:06:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Plastic Cards References: Message-ID: <05e701c82787$d2640e60$1401a8c0@JOY2> I use Stouse. 1-877-764-5757 Joy Downing The Liberty Group Bowling Green, KY 42101 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 4:29 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Plastic Cards > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I'm looking for 4/1 plastic cards. Black back with section for > signature. > Anyone do these now or have info for best source? As always thanks > > > > Tommy Melendez > > > Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. > 3612 E. Tremont Avenue > Bronx, N.Y. 10465 > NAQP Member #1031539 > 718.904.7760 > 718.892.2315 Fax > _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com Thu Nov 15 08:35:22 2007 From: kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com (Kirk Squiers) Date: Thu Nov 15 08:35:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: Headlines for the year 2029 Message-ID: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111D9AC@fpserver.FP.local> I really like the one about the camera shutter speed:) Kirk K. Squiers Central Michigan Graphics 1200 E. Oakland Lansing, Michigan 48906 www.centralmichigangraphics.com 517-230-8600 kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Thom Gulyas Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:31 AM To: PrintOwnersNG@googlegroups.com; Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: Headlines for the year 2029 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Something to lighten the day a bit. - Thom HEADLINES FOR YEAR: 2029 Ozone created by electric cars now killing millions in the seventh largest country in the world, Mexifornia, formerly known as California. White minorities still trying to have English recognized as Mexifornia's third language. Spotted Owl plague threatens northwestern United States crops and livestock. Baby conceived naturally. Scientists stumped. Couple petitions court to reinstate heterosexual marriage. Last remaining Fundamentalist Muslim dies in the American Territory of the Middle East (formerly known as Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Lebanon). Iran still closed off; physicists estimate it will take at least 10 more years before radioactivity decreases to safe levels. France pleads for global help after being taken over by Jamaica. Castro finally dies at age 112; Cuban cigars can now be imported legally, but President Chelsea Clinton has banned all smoking. George Z. Bush says he will run for President in 2036. Postal Service raises price of first class stamp to $17.89 and reduces mail delivery to Wednesdays only. 85-year $75.8 billion study: Diet and Exercise is the key to weight loss. Average weight of Americans drops to 250 lbs. Japanese scientists have created a camera with such a fast shutter speed, they now can photograph a woman with her mouth shut. Massachusetts executes last remaining conservative. Supreme Court rules punishment of criminals, violates their civil rights. Average height of NBA players is now nine feet, seven inches. New federal law requires that all nail clippers, screwdrivers, fly swatters and rolled-up newspapers must be registered by January 2036. Congress authorizes direct deposit of formerly illegal political contributions to campaign accounts. IRS sets lowest tax rate at 75 percent. Florida voters still having trouble with voting machines. -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kathy at mpcny.com Thu Nov 15 08:45:39 2007 From: kathy at mpcny.com (Kathy Henry) Date: Thu Nov 15 08:46:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: Headlines for the year 2029 In-Reply-To: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111D9AC@fpserver.FP.local> References: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111D9AC@fpserver.FP.local> Message-ID: <006301c8278d$cfaa0fc0$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> I was laughing until the camera shutter speed :( Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing kathy@mpcny.com 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kirk Squiers Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 8:35 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] OFF: Headlines for the year 2029 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I really like the one about the camera shutter speed:) Kirk K. Squiers Central Michigan Graphics 1200 E. Oakland Lansing, Michigan 48906 www.centralmichigangraphics.com 517-230-8600 kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Thom Gulyas Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:31 AM To: PrintOwnersNG@googlegroups.com; Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: Headlines for the year 2029 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Something to lighten the day a bit. - Thom HEADLINES FOR YEAR: 2029 Ozone created by electric cars now killing millions in the seventh largest country in the world, Mexifornia, formerly known as California. White minorities still trying to have English recognized as Mexifornia's third language. Spotted Owl plague threatens northwestern United States crops and livestock. Baby conceived naturally. Scientists stumped. Couple petitions court to reinstate heterosexual marriage. Last remaining Fundamentalist Muslim dies in the American Territory of the Middle East (formerly known as Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Lebanon). Iran still closed off; physicists estimate it will take at least 10 more years before radioactivity decreases to safe levels. France pleads for global help after being taken over by Jamaica. Castro finally dies at age 112; Cuban cigars can now be imported legally, but President Chelsea Clinton has banned all smoking. George Z. Bush says he will run for President in 2036. Postal Service raises price of first class stamp to $17.89 and reduces mail delivery to Wednesdays only. 85-year $75.8 billion study: Diet and Exercise is the key to weight loss. Average weight of Americans drops to 250 lbs. Japanese scientists have created a camera with such a fast shutter speed, they now can photograph a woman with her mouth shut. Massachusetts executes last remaining conservative. Supreme Court rules punishment of criminals, violates their civil rights. Average height of NBA players is now nine feet, seven inches. New federal law requires that all nail clippers, screwdrivers, fly swatters and rolled-up newspapers must be registered by January 2036. Congress authorizes direct deposit of formerly illegal political contributions to campaign accounts. IRS sets lowest tax rate at 75 percent. Florida voters still having trouble with voting machines. -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.32/1131 - Release Date: 11/14/2007 4:54 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.32/1131 - Release Date: 11/14/2007 4:54 PM From oren66 at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 15 09:31:53 2007 From: oren66 at sbcglobal.net (Arie Teomi) Date: Thu Nov 15 09:32:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cards with Magnet - Source needed Message-ID: <838462.95667.qm@web83402.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I have a customet that wants a postcard that has a magnet card built into it. Any idea who makes these? Thanks Arie Arie Teomi LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 From richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com Thu Nov 15 10:12:19 2007 From: richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com (Richard Moffat) Date: Thu Nov 15 10:12:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cards with Magnet - Source needed In-Reply-To: <838462.95667.qm@web83402.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Tradenet 1-800-884-7301 www.tradenetpublishing.com Richard Moffat Sir Speedy 244 S.W. 6th Street Miami, Florida 33130 (305) 285-1401 Tel (305) 285-1402 Fax richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com www.sirspeedy-brickell.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Arie Teomi Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 9:32 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Cards with Magnet - Source needed ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a customet that wants a postcard that has a magnet card built into it. Any idea who makes these? Thanks Arie Arie Teomi LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Thu Nov 15 11:09:26 2007 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Thu Nov 15 11:11:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] calendar size and bind advice Message-ID: We'll be sending out personalized calendars for the first time promoting our company. Obviously, we want our customers to keep them and use them for their appointment books (for those still married to paper). I'm thinking a booklet format is the best type of bind since it lays flat and is easy to carry, and that a sheet size of 8 1/2 x 11 would be best. Is there anyone out there with more experience that could advise? Thanks so much. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying From prtquick at eos.net Thu Nov 15 12:20:25 2007 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Thu Nov 15 12:20:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: Headlines for the year 2029 In-Reply-To: <006301c8278d$cfaa0fc0$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> References: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111D9AC@fpserver.FP.local> <006301c8278d$cfaa0fc0$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> Message-ID: <7c04bf67aef3ee5a0926e47b8c9ec2ff@eos.net> I need one to get a good shot of my 13 year old daughter. Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit us in our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - On Nov 15, 2007, at 8:45 AM, Kathy Henry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I was laughing until the camera shutter speed :( > > Kathleen Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing > kathy@mpcny.com > > 125 East First Street > PO Box 815 > Oswego, NY 13126 > (315) 343-3531 > (315) 343-3577 (fax) > (315) 532-0943 (cell) > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kirk Squiers > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 8:35 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] OFF: Headlines for the year 2029 > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I really like the one about the camera shutter speed:) > > Kirk K. Squiers > Central Michigan Graphics > 1200 E. Oakland > Lansing, Michigan 48906 > www.centralmichigangraphics.com > 517-230-8600 > kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Thom Gulyas > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:31 AM > To: PrintOwnersNG@googlegroups.com; Discussion List for Printing > Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: Headlines for the year 2029 > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Something to lighten the day a bit. - Thom > > > > HEADLINES FOR YEAR: 2029 > > Ozone created by electric cars now killing millions in the seventh > largest country in the world, Mexifornia, formerly known as > California. White minorities still trying to have English recognized > as Mexifornia's third language. > > Spotted Owl plague threatens northwestern United States crops and > livestock. > > Baby conceived naturally. Scientists stumped. > > Couple petitions court to reinstate heterosexual marriage. > > Last remaining Fundamentalist Muslim dies in the American Territory of > the Middle East (formerly known as Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and > Lebanon). > > Iran still closed off; physicists estimate it will take at least 10 > more years before radioactivity decreases to safe levels. > > France pleads for global help after being taken over by Jamaica. > > Castro finally dies at age 112; Cuban cigars can now be imported > legally, but > > President Chelsea Clinton has banned all smoking. > > George Z. Bush says he will run for President in 2036. > > Postal Service raises price of first class stamp to $17.89 and reduces > mail delivery to Wednesdays only. > > 85-year $75.8 billion study: Diet and Exercise is the key to weight > loss. > > Average weight of Americans drops to 250 lbs. > > Japanese scientists have created a camera with such a fast shutter > speed, they now can photograph a woman with her mouth shut. > > Massachusetts executes last remaining conservative. > > Supreme Court rules punishment of criminals, violates their civil > rights. > > Average height of NBA players is now nine feet, seven inches. > > New federal law requires that all nail clippers, screwdrivers, fly > swatters and rolled-up newspapers must be registered by January 2036. > > Congress authorizes direct deposit of formerly illegal political > contributions to campaign accounts. > > IRS sets lowest tax rate at 75 percent. > > Florida voters still having trouble with voting machines. > > -- > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > Berlin, Maryland 21811 > www.acepm.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.32/1131 - Release Date: > 11/14/2007 > 4:54 PM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.32/1131 - Release Date: > 11/14/2007 > 4:54 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From kk1127 at mindspring.com Thu Nov 15 13:21:58 2007 From: kk1127 at mindspring.com (John Hughes) Date: Thu Nov 15 13:22:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Emailing from MAC. References: Message-ID: <001b01c827b4$692e07c0$0b01a8c0@NOTEBOOK> We do a lot of emailing of PDF proofs. We have a continuing problem with PDF attachments from our MAC when sent to AOL or Yahoo addresses. The recipeint says there is no attachment. The problem is not file size. (Some as small as 15KB don't go through.) If we email the attachment to a PC, we can forward and it will go through OK. Apple has been no help. Any ideas? TIA John Hughes Kwik Kopy Printing kk1127@mindspring.com From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Thu Nov 15 13:52:40 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Thu Nov 15 13:54:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mammoth Mailing Message-ID: We have printed over 100,000 letterheads, window envelopes and inserts. Customer will imprint letterhead with statement information and have a mailing-house fold, insert into the window envelopes, seal, presort and mail. The imprinted statements are returned in Zip code order, BUT in one huge pile and without a Postnet code! Some statements have two sheets, some statements will have three sheets. Last year the 'mailing-house' messed up. The work was done manually and the sealed envelopes were sent out to a 'presort' house where, I believe, a meter stamped the envelope. 1: How to presort an already addressed mailing piece? 2: Are there any 'Presort' companies that OCR read and sort the addressed pieces? 3: In these circumstances, what are the pros & cons of a postage meter versus a permit indicia? P.S. Don't ask why the customer chooses this method! Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From swiftyprinting at mac.com Thu Nov 15 13:55:53 2007 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Thu Nov 15 13:56:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Emailing from MAC. In-Reply-To: <001b01c827b4$692e07c0$0b01a8c0@NOTEBOOK> References: <001b01c827b4$692e07c0$0b01a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <23A106F6-972B-49BC-8EBF-A20CC6687C77@mac.com> On Nov 15, 2007, at 1:21 PM, John Hughes wrote: > We have a continuing problem with PDF attachments from our MAC when > sent to AOL or Yahoo addresses. > The recipeint says there is no attachment. > > The problem is not file size. (Some as small as 15KB don't go > through.) > > If we email the attachment to a PC, we can forward and it will go > through OK. If you are using Apple Mail, always click on "send window friendly attachments" and be sure the pdf contains.pdf at the end of the name. Use the "attach" file as opposed to just drag and drop and have the pdf displayed in the email. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Thu Nov 15 13:59:49 2007 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Thu Nov 15 14:00:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Emailing from MAC. In-Reply-To: <001b01c827b4$692e07c0$0b01a8c0@NOTEBOOK> References: <001b01c827b4$692e07c0$0b01a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <72C7F6FA-9E3F-4164-87DF-E904E3C25402@inkonpaper.biz> Are you checking the "Send Windows Friendly Attachments" button? Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz On Nov 15, 2007, at 1:21 PM, John Hughes wrote: > We have a continuing problem with PDF attachments from our MAC when > sent to AOL or Yahoo addresses. > The recipeint says there is no attachment. From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Thu Nov 15 14:06:49 2007 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Thu Nov 15 14:05:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Emailing from MAC. In-Reply-To: <001b01c827b4$692e07c0$0b01a8c0@NOTEBOOK> References: <001b01c827b4$692e07c0$0b01a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <197ADF2F-02A2-4EAE-A15E-9BA46A0891AF@falconprintandcopy.com> John I get this all the time. I have found no solution when printing from MAC mail. If you can access your email through your web browser, send it from there, or use a personal email. Its not the Mac itself thats causing the problem, its mac mail. Otherwise I either upload the proof and send a link, or use my personal email. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com On Nov 15, 2007, at 1:21 PM, John Hughes wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We do a lot of emailing of PDF proofs. > > We have a continuing problem with PDF attachments from our MAC when > sent to AOL or Yahoo addresses. > The recipeint says there is no attachment. > > The problem is not file size. (Some as small as 15KB don't go > through.) > > If we email the attachment to a PC, we can forward and it will go > through OK. > > Apple has been no help. > > Any ideas? > > TIA > > John Hughes > Kwik Kopy Printing > kk1127@mindspring.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Thu Nov 15 14:13:58 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 15 14:14:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Deletions Message-ID: I have a Canon 7095 and recently have been getting deletions on the trail edge of paper, especially on the yellow of 3 part forms. Image looks like when you have a low spot on a blanket from press. I ruled out carbonless film, we've been getting this on regular paper. Changed reams thinking it was humidity, even just purchased new paper different brand & same problem. All wires have been replaced & still low spots. Anyone have this problem..please tell. Thanks Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From jodib at blackfoot.net Thu Nov 15 14:15:28 2007 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Thu Nov 15 14:16:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] calendar size and bind advice References: Message-ID: <004d01c827bb$e25ca870$0101a8c0@desktoppbl> Bernard: we do calendars and pad them on the 11" edge with a color front cover, chipboard back. I copy the months on a 32# brt white off our black and white copier. The Calendar idea is a great giveaway....not many businesses give calendars away anymore..... Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing Missoula, Montana jodib@blackfoot.net 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernard Bahn" To: "multiple recipients of Print Owners" Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 9:09 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] calendar size and bind advice > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We'll be sending out personalized calendars for the first time promoting > our > company. Obviously, we want our customers to keep them and use them for > their appointment books (for those still married to paper). I'm thinking a > booklet format is the best type of bind since it lays flat and is easy to > carry, and that a sheet size of 8 1/2 x 11 would be best. > > Is there anyone out there with more experience that could advise? Thanks > so > much. > > > Respectfully, > > > Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc > 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 > > Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | > bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com > > http://www.creativeimaginginc.com > Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From brianoday at eprint.us Thu Nov 15 14:20:11 2007 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Thu Nov 15 14:21:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mammoth Mailing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007901c827bc$8abf8000$800101df@eprint.local> Yes there are presort houses. In Portland there is a co called Metropolitan presort. They get mailings from all of the large co's presort them all together and present them to the post office getting a presort rate passing some of the savings along to the customer. It seems this would be a good solution for your customer and I am sure there is a co that provides these services in a large city near you. Brian O'Day ePrint 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Simon Sheers Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 10:53 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Mammoth Mailing ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have printed over 100,000 letterheads, window envelopes and inserts. Customer will imprint letterhead with statement information and have a mailing-house fold, insert into the window envelopes, seal, presort and mail. The imprinted statements are returned in Zip code order, BUT in one huge pile and without a Postnet code! Some statements have two sheets, some statements will have three sheets. Last year the 'mailing-house' messed up. The work was done manually and the sealed envelopes were sent out to a 'presort' house where, I believe, a meter stamped the envelope. 1: How to presort an already addressed mailing piece? 2: Are there any 'Presort' companies that OCR read and sort the addressed pieces? 3: In these circumstances, what are the pros & cons of a postage meter versus a permit indicia? P.S. Don't ask why the customer chooses this method! Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mitch.eaton at printingstation.com Thu Nov 15 14:36:42 2007 From: mitch.eaton at printingstation.com (Mitch Eaton) Date: Thu Nov 15 14:38:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mammoth Mailing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c827be$d957f970$f901a8c0@MitchDell> I believe that process is called Co-Mingle pre-sorting. I'm not sure how much the client saves using that process. We have someone in Des Moines that provides that service for larger corporate clients. They pick up all their first-class mail, co-mingle, pre-sort, and send it on it's way. I thought the overall savings was around a penny or two, although I'm not sure of the actual number. Mitch Eaton The Printing Station 1420 Locust Street Des Moines, IA 50309 515-243-8144 866-866-7414 Fax 515-243-6540 mitch.eaton@printingstation.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Simon Sheers Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 12:53 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Mammoth Mailing ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have printed over 100,000 letterheads, window envelopes and inserts. Customer will imprint letterhead with statement information and have a mailing-house fold, insert into the window envelopes, seal, presort and mail. The imprinted statements are returned in Zip code order, BUT in one huge pile and without a Postnet code! Some statements have two sheets, some statements will have three sheets. Last year the 'mailing-house' messed up. The work was done manually and the sealed envelopes were sent out to a 'presort' house where, I believe, a meter stamped the envelope. 1: How to presort an already addressed mailing piece? 2: Are there any 'Presort' companies that OCR read and sort the addressed pieces? 3: In these circumstances, what are the pros & cons of a postage meter versus a permit indicia? P.S. Don't ask why the customer chooses this method! Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From acepm2 at gmail.com Thu Nov 15 14:52:32 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Thu Nov 15 14:52:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: One for Kathy Henry and the Womeen on PONG/PO Message-ID: Since my dear sweet friend (with the sexy heels!) Kathy Henry stopped laughing when she got to the camera shutter speed of the last joke, perhaps she'll like this one. (BTW Kathy... we could use that camera with your daughter!) Thom ********************************************* THE GOOD HUSBAND Adam wakes up with a huge hangover after attending the Staff Christmas Party. Adam is not normally a drinker, but the drinks didn't taste like alcohol at all. He didn't even remember how he got home from the party. As bad as he was feeling, he wondered if he did something wrong. Adam had to force himself to open his eyes, and the first thing he sees Is a couple of aspirins next to a glass of water on the side table. And, next to them, a single red rose! Adam sits up and sees his clothing In front of him, all clean and pressed. He looks around the room and sees that it is in perfect order, spotlessly clean. So is the rest of the house. He takes the aspirins, cringes when he sees a huge black eye staring back at him in the bathroom mirror. Then he notices a note hanging on the corner of the mirror written in red with little hearts on it and a kiss mark from his wife in lipstick: "Honey, Breakfast is on the stove, I left early to get groceries to make you your favorite dinner tonight. I love you, darling! Love, Vicki" He stumbles to the kitchen and sure enough, there is hot breakfast, Steaming hot coffee and the morning newspaper. His son is also at the table, eating. Adam asks, "Son, what happened last night?" Well, you came home after 3 A.M., drunk and out of your mind. You fell over the coffee table and broke it, and then you puked in the hallway, and got that black eye when you ran into the door. Confused, he asked his son, "So, why is everything in such perfect order and so clean? I have a rose, and breakfast is on the table waiting for me?" His son replies, "Oh THAT! Mom dragged you to the bedroom, and when she tried to take your pants off, you screamed, *Leave me alone, I'm Married!"* Broken Coffee Table $239.99. Hot Breakfast $4.20. Two Aspirins $.38. Saying the right thing, at the right time, *PRICELESS!!!!* -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From tim at schreurprinting.com Thu Nov 15 14:17:49 2007 From: tim at schreurprinting.com (Tim Schreur) Date: Thu Nov 15 15:18:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mail Equipment Dealer In-Reply-To: <20071115170003.3CA71C82E33@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Looking for used mailing equipment to get started assisting my print clients in there mailings. Any suggestions for a reputable mailing equipment dealer? The way I see what I need is a tabletop type equipment. If anyone would like to enlighten me on how to best get into mailing please contact me directly. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you. ----------- Tim Schreur President Schreur Printing - Since 1946 "Our tradition is excellence, our technology is state of art" P 616-392-4405 F 616-392-4296 w www.schreurprinting.com From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Thu Nov 15 15:37:53 2007 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Thu Nov 15 15:36:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Price Check Message-ID: <06AE7AA0-FFFD-4C5E-BA2A-6CD523CE157C@falconprintandcopy.com> GBC Talon 44" Mounting/Lam Unit, less than 1 year old, for $5,000. I'm about to purchase. What are anyone's thoughts? Good price? Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com From bill at werkheiser.com Thu Nov 15 16:27:42 2007 From: bill at werkheiser.com (Bill Werkheiser) Date: Thu Nov 15 16:27:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mammoth Mailing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <473CB9CE.8060308@werkheiser.com> Simon, we own an OCR machine and would love to do a job like this so I'm sure whoever is in your area would come pick them up and do the work. If it were me, I would even pay a penny or two to be able to get the volume and at the same time lower the customer's postage as a bonus. Here is the organization to which almost all belong. I'm sure they will give you a lead or two. The great thing about this is that they do not have to be kept in order, all go out the same day, etc. as it is handled on the same machine as the Post Office. You did not mention if it was First Class or Standard. Some presort houses do not have a contract with the PO to handle Standard. Call me if this becomes a road block or if you need further explanation. -- Bill Werkheiser SE PrinTech, Inc. Coastal Mailing Services, Inc. http://WeLoveToPrint.com 315 E Banks Street - P O Box 27 Glennville, GA 30427 (912) 654-3610 voice (912) 654-3611 fax http://www.napmweb.org/ Simon Sheers wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have printed over 100,000 letterheads, window envelopes and inserts. > > Customer will imprint letterhead with statement information and have a > mailing-house fold, insert into the window envelopes, seal, presort > and mail. > > The imprinted statements are returned in Zip code order, BUT in one > huge pile and without a Postnet code! Some statements have two sheets, > some statements will have three sheets. Last year the 'mailing-house' > messed up. The work was done manually and the sealed envelopes were > sent out to a 'presort' house where, I believe, a meter stamped the > envelope. > > 1: How to presort an already addressed mailing piece? > 2: Are there any 'Presort' companies that OCR read and sort the > addressed pieces? > 3: In these circumstances, what are the pros & cons of a postage meter > versus a permit indicia? > > P.S. Don't ask why the customer chooses this method! > > Please reply to Simon Sheers at: > > > Sheer Graphics Inc. > 47 Chestnut Avenue, > Westmont, IL 60559-1127 > Tel: (630) 654-4422 > > Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2661 (20071115) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > From bill at werkheiser.com Thu Nov 15 16:56:33 2007 From: bill at werkheiser.com (Bill Werkheiser) Date: Thu Nov 15 16:56:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mammoth Mailing In-Reply-To: <473CB9CE.8060308@werkheiser.com> References: <473CB9CE.8060308@werkheiser.com> Message-ID: <473CC091.6020403@werkheiser.com> Ooops, here is the link I meant to include: http://www.napmweb.org/ Bill Werkheiser wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Simon, we own an OCR machine and would love to do a job like this so > I'm sure whoever is in your area would come pick them up and do the > work. If it were me, I would even pay a penny or two to be able to > get the volume and at the same time lower the customer's postage as a > bonus. Here is the organization to which almost all belong. I'm sure > they will give you a lead or two. The great thing about this is that > they do not have to be kept in order, all go out the same day, etc. as > it is handled on the same machine as the Post Office. You did not > mention if it was First Class or Standard. Some presort houses do not > have a contract with the PO to handle Standard. Call me if this > becomes a road block or if you need further explanation. > -- Bill Werkheiser SE PrinTech, Inc. Coastal Mailing Services, Inc. http://WeLoveToPrint.com 315 E Banks Street - P O Box 27 Glennville, GA 30427 (912) 654-3610 voice (912) 654-3611 fax From ron at printingconcepts.com Thu Nov 15 17:13:04 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Thu Nov 15 17:06:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] SLITTERS-SUN & alternatives Message-ID: We have a little Sun business card slitter and it has worked fine for us. We would like to get something that will take us all the way from a 9x12 w/gutters to business card size. Sun sells one of these but I was wondering if there is anything else out there on the market. Sun doesn't answer either of their phone numbers. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From ron at printingconcepts.com Thu Nov 15 17:13:04 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Thu Nov 15 17:06:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] IGEN & NEXT PRESS FINISHING Message-ID: I am curious regarding the finishing capabilities of these two machines. Does either have a booklet maker, folder, stapler, etc in-line? Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From bherion at bucksdigital.com Thu Nov 15 17:27:57 2007 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Thu Nov 15 17:28:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Time Clock Software Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071115172043.033a0fa8@bucksdigital.com> If anyone is looking for a nice time clock solution, this one is mighty fine. http://redcort.com/ We've been using it for almost three years and it is everything they say. Their support is first rate. We bought the server and one workstation software. You don't need more, unless you want to have a client at everyone's workstation. We don't, its just a time clock. I don't earn anything saying this, just received an improved update and thought I'd mention them here. Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From brianoday at eprint.us Thu Nov 15 18:11:56 2007 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Thu Nov 15 18:13:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Price Check In-Reply-To: <06AE7AA0-FFFD-4C5E-BA2A-6CD523CE157C@falconprintandcopy.com> References: <06AE7AA0-FFFD-4C5E-BA2A-6CD523CE157C@falconprintandcopy.com> Message-ID: <00e901c827dc$eb3f6d30$800101df@eprint.local> I was looking at their current model at Graph and was quoted a price new of over $10,000 and am thinking of purchasing one in the near future. I think this is a terrible rip off what is their phone # Brian O'Day ePrint 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Borzou Azabdaftari Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 12:38 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Price Check ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** GBC Talon 44" Mounting/Lam Unit, less than 1 year old, for $5,000. I'm about to purchase. What are anyone's thoughts? Good price? Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kevin at abfprints.com Thu Nov 15 18:33:31 2007 From: kevin at abfprints.com (Kevin Danko) Date: Thu Nov 15 18:37:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mail Equipment Dealer In-Reply-To: References: <20071115170003.3CA71C82E33@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <019201c827df$ef3c35f0$1700a8c0@abf.local> Thom, we just bought a Kirk Rudy 215 Inkjet Addressing System along with a Kirk Rudy 527 Inline Tabber from: Peak Business Equipment 12882 Pennridge Dr. Bridgeton, MO 63044 314 209-7272 Ask for Greg Polk Kevin Danko Advantage Business Forms 102 N. Riverside Ave. Rialto, CA 92376 Phone: (909) 875-7163 Fax: (909) 875-7971 www.abfprints.com E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tim Schreur Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:18 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Mail Equipment Dealer ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Looking for used mailing equipment to get started assisting my print clients in there mailings. Any suggestions for a reputable mailing equipment dealer? The way I see what I need is a tabletop type equipment. If anyone would like to enlighten me on how to best get into mailing please contact me directly. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you. ----------- Tim Schreur President Schreur Printing - Since 1946 "Our tradition is excellence, our technology is state of art" P 616-392-4405 F 616-392-4296 w www.schreurprinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From braddpotter at juno.com Fri Nov 16 02:29:06 2007 From: braddpotter at juno.com (Brad Potter) Date: Fri Nov 16 02:30:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Off Friday My graphics guy is in the top 3 for the Good Morning Americ a Dream Vacation Message-ID: <20071115.232906.21861.13@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> OK, he actually quit a few months back. But we still claim him as ours. He does frellance work for us now. It is Jeff that put my face on the superman body, and made me into a Hunkamaniac for my birthday celebration. It is really a moving story, but if you click on the link, then vote too. (for Acoba) Jeff Acoba has been a friend of our son from grade school. He had Hodgkins disease as a child, and had other issues in his family that did not even come up in the video application. It would be great if they won... http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3866699&page=1 Brad Potter Your Printing Super Hero 3480 SE Bethel, Suite A Port Orchard, WA 98366 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax From carisa at holmesprinting.com Fri Nov 16 09:36:46 2007 From: carisa at holmesprinting.com (Carisa Holmes-Peters) Date: Fri Nov 16 09:37:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] For those offering promotional products..... In-Reply-To: <20071115215652.B486FC83CF4@rb.enter.net> References: <20071115215652.B486FC83CF4@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <0531BC43-8FF1-4452-8D72-DD97BB506025@holmesprinting.com> We are considering the addition of promotional products to our product lineup. For those of you that offer this already, how did you start this up and who did you partner with? Thanks so much! Carisa Carisa Holmes-Peters HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street ? Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 ? Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com ? http://www.holmesprinting.com/ From tammie at macombprinter.com Fri Nov 16 11:53:39 2007 From: tammie at macombprinter.com (Tammie at Quickprinters) Date: Fri Nov 16 11:58:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Chicago Printer Paper Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I understand that Chicago has already been requiring this type of paper for Death Certificates for awhile, so hopefully someone there will know something about it, or already is offering the printing of these certificates. I would like to find someone to print them. I've Googled everything I could think of. Someone has to be printing these. This will be a new IL law on Jan. 1. (this is copied from the notice) Security Paper for Local Registrars and County Clerks for the Electronic Death Registration System? It has 7 security features. 1) 24#OCR bond paper 2) Three family chemical sensitivity 3) Invisible fluorescent security fibers 4) Toner retention 5) Warning band on face 6) VOID pantograph 7) Micro Printed line on face and back This is for a county health department for their death certificates. Can anyone supply these printed maybe? The paper is 8.5 x 11, and the printing bleeds off all four sides with a "Goes" type border. Thanks, Tammie Tammie Speer, owner **************** Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ______________________________ QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com/ A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ Or call for a FREE CD full of information. ______________________________ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From craig at portageprinting.com Fri Nov 16 12:56:01 2007 From: craig at portageprinting.com (Craig Vestal) Date: Fri Nov 16 12:56:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Coolest thing I have seen lately References: <20071116170003.C5C22C86BB3@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <007801c82879$f6111e50$0400000a@CraigNotebook> Last summer I was surfing for some art to steal and I came across an intersting website: http://www.painting-studio.com They specialize in oil paintings made to order, and charge by the size and complexity. Turn around is two weeks, they ship the finished work on canvas unstretched and rolled up in a tube. I had one done as an experiment - a 2 x 3 foot painting of our 1949 Crosley delivery truck . Cost me 30 bucks, looks better than the truck itself and is almost as large. The high quality of the finished work is astonishing! I have ordered several more in the meantime with excellent results. If you have a project that requires that type of illustration and you have the two weeks, you just email them your jpeg and wait by the door. I had part of a client's print job painted, stretched and framed as a thank you for under a hundred bucks (I did the stretching and framing myself). That was a knock out gift. I will post the Crosley picture on my website, so you can see how cool this is. Craig Vestal President Portage Printing 1116 W Centre, Portage, MI 49024 269.323.9333 PortagePrinting.com From bherion at bucksdigital.com Fri Nov 16 13:09:30 2007 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Fri Nov 16 13:09:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: IGEN & NEXT PRESS FINISHING In-Reply-To: <20071116170003.C5C22C86BB3@rb.enter.net> References: <20071116170003.C5C22C86BB3@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071116130311.033d3c20@bucksdigital.com> Can't speak for NextPress, Ron, but iGen's I know a bit about. Bourg makes a bookletmaker. Also, a perfect binding unit. You can get a UV coater. Don't know about a generic folder or stapler, but my guess is yes. There are a ton of third parties who just love to make add-on modules. My 2 cents....unless you have a job or niche that utilizes one of these finishing modules for the majority of the work, pass on it. I have always looked at these machines as presses, which leaves them to print and we take printing into the bindery for finishing. Remember, if your bindery folder goes down, your press still prints..... At 12:00 PM 11/16/2007, you wrote: >I am curious regarding the finishing capabilities of these two machines. >Does either have a booklet maker, folder, stapler, etc in-line? Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From sgfinke at fuse.net Fri Nov 16 19:39:17 2007 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Fri Nov 16 19:41:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Coolest thing I have seen lately In-Reply-To: <007801c82879$f6111e50$0400000a@CraigNotebook> References: <20071116170003.C5C22C86BB3@rb.enter.net> <007801c82879$f6111e50$0400000a@CraigNotebook> Message-ID: Okay Craig, I am intrigued! But when I look at the site there is nothing about custom paintings, just standard paintings they have that you can order. And no prices, either. Did you email the contact guy, or is there something on the website that I missed? And how did you pay -- the payment part looks a little fishy. Although not for only $30 or so. You really just email them a jpeg? That would be fun! Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On Nov 16, 2007, at 12:56 PM, Craig Vestal wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Last summer I was surfing for some art to steal and I came across > an intersting website: http://www.painting-studio.com > > They specialize in oil paintings made to order, and charge by the > size and complexity. Turn around is two weeks, they ship the > finished work on canvas unstretched and rolled up in a tube. > > I had one done as an experiment - a 2 x 3 foot painting of our 1949 > Crosley delivery truck . Cost me 30 bucks, looks better than the > truck itself and is almost as large. > > The high quality of the finished work is astonishing! I have > ordered several more in the meantime with excellent results. If you > have a project that requires that type of illustration and you have > the two weeks, you just email them your jpeg and wait by the door. > I had part of a client's print job painted, stretched and framed as > a thank you for under a hundred bucks (I did the stretching and > framing myself). > That was a knock out gift. > > I will post the Crosley picture on my website, so you can see how > cool this is. > > Craig Vestal > President > Portage Printing > 1116 W Centre, Portage, MI 49024 > 269.323.9333 > PortagePrinting.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From bob at gallagherprint.com Fri Nov 16 21:13:25 2007 From: bob at gallagherprint.com (Bob Gallagher) Date: Fri Nov 16 21:13:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: [Print Owners] Coolest thing I have seen lately In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11/16/07 7:39 PM, "Scott and Gail Finke" wrote: I sent an email asking about custom work and he requested a copy of the jpeg file so he could do a quote. I'm thinking about having them do a painting of my four grandkids. They replied within a half hour, and now I'm waiting for the quote. Thanks Bob Gallagher Gallagher Printing, Inc. 601 W. Main Street Palmyra, PA 17078 717-838-1527 1-888-838-1527 Fax 717-838-5715 http://www.gallagherprint.com An Adobe Service Provider A Microsoft Publisher Provider Member, Adobe Solutions Network From info at ultraprinting.com.au Fri Nov 16 21:18:05 2007 From: info at ultraprinting.com.au (Bob Fawcett) Date: Fri Nov 16 21:19:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Offering promotional products - Carisa - long In-Reply-To: <0531BC43-8FF1-4452-8D72-DD97BB506025@holmesprinting.com> References: <20071115215652.B486FC83CF4@rb.enter.net> <0531BC43-8FF1-4452-8D72-DD97BB506025@holmesprinting.com> Message-ID: <28E8FAFB-CA8E-48E1-B37C-08794272339E@ultraprinting.com.au> Hello Carisa I've just formalised taking my business to the next level with the registration of a new business name, developing a new logo concept & website that goes live Monday to handle promotional products Ultra Printing now becomes Ultra Printing & Promotional Products It has taken nearly eight months to structure with considerable time being spent sourcing suppliers Being on the other side of Australia was a problem as most major suppliers are located on the East coast I researched & found the appropriate trade association - The Australasian Promotional Product Association - http://www.appa.com.au & became a member From there I attended their trade show in Melbourne to meet suppliers & walk the floor, pump the flesh & came home with two suitcases full of samples & catalogues I then set out vetting suppliers, arranging for screen printers, embroiders, engravers etc etc Last week had my first big sale & made good $s with none of the hassle of putting ink on paper With nearly 30 years of printing experience & client base plus huge potential of new clients from my involvement with the local business association I'm looking forward to a big 2008 After upteen years as Executive Officer of the Wannerroo Business Associations (part time - read more like full time) I resigned last night at the Gala Business Awards Presentation Dinner to concentrate on my business Naturally everybody wanted to know what I was going to do so out with the new business card - up to ten prospective clients with some real major accounts involved My best advise to you is research your suppliers, line them up & then either commit fully or not at all to handling promotional products I'm not going top supply catalogues - everything is website driven with major suppliers offering generic websites Apple Mac laptop & roaming broadband connection - initial product presentation shown from my new website with links to various categories - catalogues & samples are heavy & cumbersome to take to clients Could be a nice money spinner if you plan right & have the resources to handle the work load Printing & promotional products compliment each other Putting an image onto something - be it a product or paper - same principles apply Hope this helps Kind regards Bob Fawcett Ultra Printing, Marketing & Publishing Services Ultra Promotional Products Ultra Promotions Telephone: 61 8 9302 6311 Facsimile: 61 8 9302 6300 Mobile: 0417 930 905 Email: info@ultraprinting.com.au www.ultraprinting.com.au Perth Western Australia Australia On 16/11/2007, at 11:36 PM, Carisa Holmes-Peters wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are considering the addition of promotional products to our > product lineup. For those of you that offer this already, how did > you start this up and who did you partner with? > > Thanks so much! > Carisa > > > Carisa Holmes-Peters > HOLMES Printing > 401 E. Columbia Street ? Springfield, OH 45503 > Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 ? Fax (937) 322-1601 > carisa@holmesprinting.com ? http://www.holmesprinting.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From oren66 at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 17 11:07:09 2007 From: oren66 at sbcglobal.net (Arie Teomi) Date: Sat Nov 17 11:07:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] For those offering promotional products..... Message-ID: <619278.36561.qm@web83412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Carisa, I am surprised that you did not get any response from the list except from Bob in Australia. I also would like to get some information on the subject. I know there was a discussion in the past. The last thing I can remember is that Robin asked for a replacement to ASI that has no or minimal fee. I hope we will have some answers. Arie Arie Teomi LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.LastingImpressionDirect.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner ----- Original Message ---- From: Carisa Holmes-Peters To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:36:46 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] For those offering promotional products..... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are considering the addition of promotional products to our product lineup. For those of you that offer this already, how did you start this up and who did you partner with? Thanks so much! Carisa Carisa Holmes-Peters HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street ? Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 ? Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com ? http://www.holmesprinting.com/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpurvine1 at cox.net Sat Nov 17 11:17:28 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Sat Nov 17 11:17:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] For those offering promotional products..... In-Reply-To: <619278.36561.qm@web83412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <619278.36561.qm@web83412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003f01c82935$59673280$6401a8c0@corapurvine> I signed up for Distributor Central, per the last discussion on the list, but have not been able to sell anything as my customers seem to think the prices are too high, but....I haven't really had the time to put into it either so others responses might vary. Amy at Distributor Central did set me up with a website, etc. and she was very nice to work with. I haven't given up on it yet....I just need some spare time. This is their info: DistributorCentral, LLC PO Box 489 Gardner, KS 66030 888-516-7401 info@distributorcentral.com Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From oren66 at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 17 12:19:33 2007 From: oren66 at sbcglobal.net (Arie Teomi) Date: Sat Nov 17 12:20:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing Printer Message-ID: <233007.1914.qm@web83415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Jeff, You did not mention it, but I understand that your question is directed to me. I went to see Bob Walker and his equipment. It looks OK to me but he could not point at anyone that bought from him so I can have a reference. Also, I did not feel comfortable dealing with a one man (may be he has more people now) operation. He seems to be a nice person with industry experience but I could not see a track record of his product. I agreed with Ron Taggart that OAM sales dept. is slow in responding. I went to see Ron and his Buskro which looks good and reliable. The Dealer is in Cincy and one of the reasons I stopped looking at Buskro is that the Dealer said he is charging travel time from Cincy to Cleveland. Also his offering was not attractive to me. I also looked at MCS which looks very good too. They claim that they sell Direct but referred me to a dealer in Rochester NY which offered different section of the machine from different manufacturers. OAM, after finally respoding to me and with some good references from the list members Thom Gulyas, Dennis Trump and others on the Kirk Rudy Machine, I decided to go with it and we upgraded the dryer to 6000 Watt. It was a very good decision. We did not need any physical service call but had lots of questions which were always answered on time and to the point. Dave is very good and helpful and if something is wrong we know it is us and not the machine. The only thing is that Dave always says that he does not think we need to use the friction feeder that we bought with the machine (I think he is not familiar with it and can't train us how to use it)sometimes, I feel that we do want and need to use it but in the meantime this $5,000 piece of equipment sits idle. Overall, we are happy with the machine and its performance and as I said before,it is one of my best business decisions and it changed the way we provide Mailing services to our clients. Arie Teomi LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.LastingImpressionDirect.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner ----- Original Message ---- From: Jeff Haines To: oren66@sbcglobal.net Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 10:13:15 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Mailing Printer At 08:11 AM 11/8/2007, you wrote: I agree with Thom. In fact I listened to Thom and Got my Netjet Kirk-Rudy. This machine changed our Mailing Department and the way we provide Mailing Services to our clients. We can now do things that we could not do in the past. Make sure you get a powerful dryer - we have 6000 Watt and we run aqeuous coated stock with no problem. I saw that you went with the Kirk-Rudy system. I was curious what advantages you saw compared to Bob Walker setup at Walco Systems? Or maybe you didn't look at his to much after all. Would you mind sharing what you purchased and the price? Or would you be willing to email or fax me a copy of the invoice. I think we are going to look at moving up from our desktop system. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From dominick at fmtc.com Sat Nov 17 14:15:11 2007 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Sat Nov 17 14:15:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wide Format Color Message-ID: <473F3DBF.9040904@fmtc.com> Fellow Printers, I have not posted in a while, being Mayor takes waaayyyy too much time. Business suffering, as I clean up our city, and make it more growth friendly. Recent resignations by our City manager and Public works director have made things much better! We have used an HP 2500cp color 36" printer for over 4 years now (thanks Robin) and it has recently died. Yes, even a hammer will not make it wake up. So it is ready for the dumpster. (main board has fried lots of smoke 3 days ago). About $3000 in repairs needed. I would like to know what wide format color, printers on the list are using. We do lots of text posters, some photo enlargements, and some PDF floor plans. I know I need true PS, no brainer there, but what is a good machine? I have read about Epson, Canon, HP, but have Zero experience as this "little" HP has been perfect! Have been very lucky as Ebay has had all the ink I can use, and our local "refiller" has been able to get the right ink, and have kept cost per poster very very low. Our retail price per sq ft is $6, so need to stay close to that. Any suggestions, or recommendations are appreciated. Will have parts and ink available later, just send me an - e- and I will let you know. Football today, Local kids VS across the state. Go! Ontario!, and also GO BADGERS! he he he Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! From robin at protypeonline.com Sat Nov 17 16:12:55 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Sat Nov 17 16:11:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Tabber Advice Needed Message-ID: I need to purchase a tabber in 2007. Tabletop is preferred. We do a minimum of 5000 pieces/month without even marketing, so I will plan for growth with this purchase. Pinfeed or non? I do want to be able to use clear, perfed, round tabs. One or two tabs applied at a time? And, is there a tabber out there that comes with a feeder built into it? Easy to setup, easy to adjust and easy to "unjam". Mostly tabbing newsletters, multi-page, that get folded down from 8.5 x 11 to 8.5 x 5.5....but like I said, I want to purchase with some growth in mind. I'm 100 miles south of Chicago so if you can also recommend a vendor that would be wonderful. I prefer to purchase new but would consider a used unit .....from a reputable source. Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From david.doost at gmail.com Sat Nov 17 16:31:12 2007 From: david.doost at gmail.com (David Doost) Date: Sat Nov 17 16:31:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wide Format Color In-Reply-To: <473F3DBF.9040904@fmtc.com> References: <473F3DBF.9040904@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <473f5d9f.0a86460a.6c85.55a7@mx.google.com> Joe, We have had great luck with the HP 5500. Have had two of them in the past 4 years with no problems. Workhorses. Easy to operate & maintain. Just upgraded to the new HPz6100. You may be able to find used HP 5500 on eBay for attractive prices. We sold ours about a month ago when we upgraded (sold for about $4K). They were selling on eBay at that time between $2 to $5K. David Doost Printing Impression 1200 Barrett Parkway Suite 4 Kennesaw, GA 30144 770-422-8766 www.printingimpression.net -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dominick's Printing Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 2:15 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Wide Format Color ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Fellow Printers, I have not posted in a while, being Mayor takes waaayyyy too much time. Business suffering, as I clean up our city, and make it more growth friendly. Recent resignations by our City manager and Public works director have made things much better! We have used an HP 2500cp color 36" printer for over 4 years now (thanks Robin) and it has recently died. Yes, even a hammer will not make it wake up. So it is ready for the dumpster. (main board has fried lots of smoke 3 days ago). About $3000 in repairs needed. I would like to know what wide format color, printers on the list are using. We do lots of text posters, some photo enlargements, and some PDF floor plans. I know I need true PS, no brainer there, but what is a good machine? I have read about Epson, Canon, HP, but have Zero experience as this "little" HP has been perfect! Have been very lucky as Ebay has had all the ink I can use, and our local "refiller" has been able to get the right ink, and have kept cost per poster very very low. Our retail price per sq ft is $6, so need to stay close to that. Any suggestions, or recommendations are appreciated. Will have parts and ink available later, just send me an - e- and I will let you know. Football today, Local kids VS across the state. Go! Ontario!, and also GO BADGERS! he he he Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From gamble at choiceonemail.com Sat Nov 17 19:11:48 2007 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Sat Nov 17 19:12:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Tabber Advice Needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <030401c82977$9c80c170$0301a8c0@RICK> Robin, Datatech 1020 is what we started with in the small tabbing market and pressure sensitive label jobs we used to get. This machine was easy to set up, great feeder and so easy to clear jams out of. I have not one bad word about the machine and if you get really good you can do live stamping off it too just re-roll the roll the other direction. We went to a kirk rudy and I will never look back it was one of the best decisions I made for my business but it is a floor model with no feeder, thought I am told you can buy one. Depending on your budget and the direction to want to go in there are many options to service the need. If I can answer any questions please feel free to call me I am more than willing to discuss these machines and the ones I have had and would avoid. HTH Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:13 PM To: printowners printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Tabber Advice Needed ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I need to purchase a tabber in 2007. Tabletop is preferred. We do a minimum of 5000 pieces/month without even marketing, so I will plan for growth with this purchase. Pinfeed or non? I do want to be able to use clear, perfed, round tabs. One or two tabs applied at a time? And, is there a tabber out there that comes with a feeder built into it? Easy to setup, easy to adjust and easy to "unjam". Mostly tabbing newsletters, multi-page, that get folded down from 8.5 x 11 to 8.5 x 5.5....but like I said, I want to purchase with some growth in mind. I'm 100 miles south of Chicago so if you can also recommend a vendor that would be wonderful. I prefer to purchase new but would consider a used unit .....from a reputable source. Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From xeroid at kos.net Sat Nov 17 21:31:19 2007 From: xeroid at kos.net (xeroid) Date: Sat Nov 17 21:31:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? References: <030401c82977$9c80c170$0301a8c0@RICK> Message-ID: <001601c8298b$1a471c40$6500a8c0@BEDROOM> A newer customer. Has been in the store a couple times for small stuff. He wants 2 menus with update pricing for his restaruant and brings me a CD from the last designer. I go through the files and they are a mess. I can't seem to edit the pricing or text and can only grab the clip arts used. I call him to let him know the price will be 2-3 hours to re-do the menu and we agree on $800 as the total to do the design and printing work. I tell him the redesign will not be exact, but very close. He agrees with the price and verbally gives me the go ahead over the phone. The next day I drop off the proof of the two new menus. I don't hear back from him, so I call to see whats up and he explains that he has been to busy to look at the proofs but may get back to me the next day. A couple of days pass and I send in my sales rep to go over the proofs with him. He tells my sales rep he had a friend update the files, and that a redesing of 2 - 3 hours was not necessary. He also mentions the proofs are not exactly as the original menus and says sorry if I waisted your time. He has no intention of paying anything for the work done. In the mean time, after getting the go ahead from him, I had to also order in special stock for the menus. How should I handle this ..... I think he feels like I was trying to take him by the fact I needed to re-design the menu. Wayne Wayne Stevenhaagen & Associates Kingston, Ontario, Canada From rick at jmjprinting.com Sat Nov 17 22:33:28 2007 From: rick at jmjprinting.com (Rick Foster) Date: Sat Nov 17 22:35:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? In-Reply-To: <001601c8298b$1a471c40$6500a8c0@BEDROOM> References: <030401c82977$9c80c170$0301a8c0@RICK> <001601c8298b$1a471c40$6500a8c0@BEDROOM> Message-ID: In reference to the message sent by xeroid, on 11/17/07, at 9:31 PM -0500: >How should I handle this ..... I think he feels like I was trying to >take him by the fact I needed to re-design the menu. Keep the 50% deposit. -- Rick _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Rick B. Foster JMJ Printing Co. LLC - Snohomish, WA mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com http://www.jmjprinting.com 425.334.9716 Your Full Service Print Shop 425.397.9716 Fax We Appreciate Your Business! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Sun Nov 18 01:36:51 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Sun Nov 18 01:37:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? In-Reply-To: References: <030401c82977$9c80c170$0301a8c0@RICK> <001601c8298b$1a471c40$6500a8c0@BEDROOM> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0711172236t4aa13d9g19fa04fcd1e1651b@mail.gmail.com> On 11/17/07, Rick Foster wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > In reference to the message sent by xeroid, on 11/17/07, at 9:31 PM -0500: > > >How should I handle this ..... I think he feels like I was trying to > >take him by the fact I needed to re-design the menu. > > Keep the 50% deposit. That says it all! The pages of discussion that are likely to ensue have little chance of adding anything to the truth and wisdom of Rick's elegant response. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Sun Nov 18 02:01:12 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Sun Nov 18 02:01:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] xeroid Message-ID: Hey.....don't be a girly man. I took some flack from a list member (he called me a theif!) for doing what I'm about to tell you, but pay no attention like me. Listen up Wayne: go to the perp's office, with a van or a truck. Demand payment. If they laugh at you or otherwise show no intention of paying, look around for some thing you can drag out the door and into the van. (Assuming you are on the ground floor). I picked up a nice desk, dragged it out the front door while at least 15 office workers stared at me.....loaded it into my trunk, and that was that. I still have the desk. That's what I did for a $35 job I got shafted on. Now, for $800, I don't know. I'm seeing red as I think of it. I'm not interested in the 'passive-aggressive' man of today, such as your customer. If they can't own up to their obligations, I feel honor bound to meet them on their grounds. It's good to vent anger appropriately, and to know up front any laws you may be breaking to determine what action to take. Best regards......... Larry DPP Tucson Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 21:31:19 -0500 From: "xeroid" > Subject: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > Message-ID: <001601c8298b$1a471c40$6500a8c0@BEDROOM> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original A newer customer. Has been in the store a couple times for small stuff. He wants 2 menus with update pricing for his restaruant and brings me a CD from the last designer. I go through the files and they are a mess. I can't seem to edit the pricing or text and can only grab the clip arts used. I call him to let him know the price will be 2-3 hours to re-do the menu and we agree on $800 as the total to do the design and printing work. I tell him the redesign will not be exact, but very close. He agrees with the price and verbally gives me the go ahead over the phone. The next day I drop off the proof of the two new menus. I don't hear back from him, so I call to see whats up and he explains that he has been to busy to look at the proofs but may get back to me the next day. A couple of days pass and I send in my sales rep to go over the proofs with him. He tells my sales rep he had a friend update the files, and that a redesing of 2 - 3 hours was not necessary. He also mentions the proofs are not exactly as the original menus and says sorry if I waisted your time. He has no intention of paying anything for the work done. In the mean time, after getting the go ahead from him, I had to also order in special stock for the menus. How should I handle this ..... I think he feels like I was trying to take him by the fact I needed to re-design the menu. Wayne Wayne Stevenhaagen & Associates Kingston, Ontario, Canada From bnjbriggs at juno.com Sun Nov 18 07:45:16 2007 From: bnjbriggs at juno.com (bnjbriggs@juno.com) Date: Sun Nov 18 07:46:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? Message-ID: <20071118.074516.5084.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> I thought you had been removed from this list? Besides that, most customers only believe they only have to pay for the finished product, not design and prep work. Send him a bill, and see what happens. Bob Briggs, Evangel Printers, Bucksport, ME _____________________________________________________________ Looking for insurance? Click to compare and save big. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifSf1hbprVrVE10u6GutcBVNzOgKK9sinTJ1n3jwAVAUcDtS/ From championprinting at yahoo.com Sun Nov 18 10:29:16 2007 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Sun Nov 18 10:29:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? Message-ID: <263611.59415.qm@web38906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "Keep the 50% deposit. " And learn something from this experience (or not ). It's rare that happens to an established business like yours but it's always possible when you become anxious for new business and accept a job from someone you don't know (no prior business relationship) without a prepayment. Send a bill for services, forward it to a collection agency if he doesn't pay and move on. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Rick Foster To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 10:33:28 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In reference to the message sent by xeroid, on 11/17/07, at 9:31 PM -0500: >How should I handle this ..... I think he feels like I was trying to >take him by the fact I needed to re-design the menu. Keep the 50% deposit. -- Rick From mail at myprinter.biz Mon Nov 19 08:42:42 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Mon Nov 19 08:43:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? In-Reply-To: <001601c8298b$1a471c40$6500a8c0@BEDROOM> Message-ID: How topical! I've just instituted a rule that allows any employee to accept and start work without a deposit, as long as they're willing to pay full retail in case we get shafted. It doesn't happen often, but doesn't have to in order to be a profit-killing bummer . We also just had a good, long-time customer - the kind from which you'd never think about requesting a deposit - start us on a project, then cancel it after we'd invested 45 minutes of prepress/design time in it. Could I collect if I pressed the issue? Yes, probably, but there's a chance that we'd lose in the long run. I'm currently in the "concept" stage of a "prepress work authorization" form to have clients sign prior to initiating jobs requiring prepress work. Its thrust will be that the client has authorized us to do prepress work and agrees to pay us for that work in the event they cancel the project. Do any of the rest of you have something similar they'd be willing to share? Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of xeroid Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 9:31 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** A newer customer. Has been in the store a couple times for small stuff. He wants 2 menus with update pricing for his restaruant and brings me a CD from the last designer. I go through the files and they are a mess. I can't seem to edit the pricing or text and can only grab the clip arts used. I call him to let him know the price will be 2-3 hours to re-do the menu and we agree on $800 as the total to do the design and printing work. I tell him the redesign will not be exact, but very close. He agrees with the price and verbally gives me the go ahead over the phone. The next day I drop off the proof of the two new menus. I don't hear back from him, so I call to see whats up and he explains that he has been to busy to look at the proofs but may get back to me the next day. A couple of days pass and I send in my sales rep to go over the proofs with him. He tells my sales rep he had a friend update the files, and that a redesing of 2 - 3 hours was not necessary. He also mentions the proofs are not exactly as the original menus and says sorry if I waisted your time. He has no intention of paying anything for the work done. In the mean time, after getting the go ahead from him, I had to also order in special stock for the menus. How should I handle this ..... I think he feels like I was trying to take him by the fact I needed to re-design the menu. Wayne Wayne Stevenhaagen & Associates Kingston, Ontario, Canada _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From armand at curryonline.com Mon Nov 19 10:31:21 2007 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Mon Nov 19 10:31:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? In-Reply-To: References: <001601c8298b$1a471c40$6500a8c0@BEDROOM> Message-ID: <0e0d01c82ac1$3d955270$b8bff750$@com> Good luck trying to collect "full retail" from your employee. That's illegal in most states. A simple solution to this problem is that have a credit card authorization form that the customer signs that authorizes you to charge their card in the event they don't pay you by check. Make sure the working on the form is strong enough to survive any chargeback situations. We've used this a few times and it works. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:43 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** How topical! I've just instituted a rule that allows any employee to accept and start work without a deposit, as long as they're willing to pay full retail in case we get shafted. It doesn't happen often, but doesn't have to in order to be a profit-killing bummer . We also just had a good, long-time customer - the kind from which you'd never think about requesting a deposit - start us on a project, then cancel it after we'd invested 45 minutes of prepress/design time in it. Could I collect if I pressed the issue? Yes, probably, but there's a chance that we'd lose in the long run. I'm currently in the "concept" stage of a "prepress work authorization" form to have clients sign prior to initiating jobs requiring prepress work. Its thrust will be that the client has authorized us to do prepress work and agrees to pay us for that work in the event they cancel the project. Do any of the rest of you have something similar they'd be willing to share? Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of xeroid Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 9:31 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** A newer customer. Has been in the store a couple times for small stuff. He wants 2 menus with update pricing for his restaruant and brings me a CD from the last designer. I go through the files and they are a mess. I can't seem to edit the pricing or text and can only grab the clip arts used. I call him to let him know the price will be 2-3 hours to re-do the menu and we agree on $800 as the total to do the design and printing work. I tell him the redesign will not be exact, but very close. He agrees with the price and verbally gives me the go ahead over the phone. The next day I drop off the proof of the two new menus. I don't hear back from him, so I call to see whats up and he explains that he has been to busy to look at the proofs but may get back to me the next day. A couple of days pass and I send in my sales rep to go over the proofs with him. He tells my sales rep he had a friend update the files, and that a redesing of 2 - 3 hours was not necessary. He also mentions the proofs are not exactly as the original menus and says sorry if I waisted your time. He has no intention of paying anything for the work done. In the mean time, after getting the go ahead from him, I had to also order in special stock for the menus. How should I handle this ..... I think he feels like I was trying to take him by the fact I needed to re-design the menu. Wayne Wayne Stevenhaagen & Associates Kingston, Ontario, Canada _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com Mon Nov 19 11:08:55 2007 From: TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com (Tom King) Date: Mon Nov 19 11:09:35 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? In-Reply-To: References: <001601c8298b$1a471c40$6500a8c0@BEDROOM> Message-ID: <002c01c82ac6$7bfdc920$73f95b60$@com> >>>>>I've just instituted a rule that allows any employee to accept and start work without a deposit, as long as they're willing to pay full retail in case we get shafted. ---------------- As was mentioned, I highly doubt that's legal. In addition, if I were an employee, I would be highly offended if my boss instituted a policy like that. You're a business owner - in exchange for getting the profits, you also must assume the risks. Just my opinion... Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com From mail at myprinter.biz Mon Nov 19 11:12:12 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Mon Nov 19 11:12:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? In-Reply-To: <0e0d01c82ac1$3d955270$b8bff750$@com> Message-ID: Armand - Your credit card charge authorization form suggestion is a good one (can/would you email me a copy of what you're using?), with the proviso that even when we "win" on chargebacks, it costs us $25.00. As to your comments about collecting from my employees, another list member emailed me privately about this, and here's how I responded: "The purpose of the rule isn't to make the CRS pay for the job. It's to make them get deposits, or, failing that, to give them as much "fear and trembling" as I feel myself when I'm about to do work for a stranger (or a very small customer) with no guarantee that I'll ever see them again. Experience convinces me that I can fail either way - I'd just like to fail a different way for a while." Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Armand Girard Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:31 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Good luck trying to collect "full retail" from your employee. That's illegal in most states. A simple solution to this problem is that have a credit card authorization form that the customer signs that authorizes you to charge their card in the event they don't pay you by check. Make sure the working on the form is strong enough to survive any chargeback situations. We've used this a few times and it works. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:43 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** How topical! I've just instituted a rule that allows any employee to accept and start work without a deposit, as long as they're willing to pay full retail in case we get shafted. It doesn't happen often, but doesn't have to in order to be a profit-killing bummer . We also just had a good, long-time customer - the kind from which you'd never think about requesting a deposit - start us on a project, then cancel it after we'd invested 45 minutes of prepress/design time in it. Could I collect if I pressed the issue? Yes, probably, but there's a chance that we'd lose in the long run. I'm currently in the "concept" stage of a "prepress work authorization" form to have clients sign prior to initiating jobs requiring prepress work. Its thrust will be that the client has authorized us to do prepress work and agrees to pay us for that work in the event they cancel the project. Do any of the rest of you have something similar they'd be willing to share? Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of xeroid Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 9:31 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** A newer customer. Has been in the store a couple times for small stuff. He wants 2 menus with update pricing for his restaruant and brings me a CD from the last designer. I go through the files and they are a mess. I can't seem to edit the pricing or text and can only grab the clip arts used. I call him to let him know the price will be 2-3 hours to re-do the menu and we agree on $800 as the total to do the design and printing work. I tell him the redesign will not be exact, but very close. He agrees with the price and verbally gives me the go ahead over the phone. The next day I drop off the proof of the two new menus. I don't hear back from him, so I call to see whats up and he explains that he has been to busy to look at the proofs but may get back to me the next day. A couple of days pass and I send in my sales rep to go over the proofs with him. He tells my sales rep he had a friend update the files, and that a redesing of 2 - 3 hours was not necessary. He also mentions the proofs are not exactly as the original menus and says sorry if I waisted your time. He has no intention of paying anything for the work done. In the mean time, after getting the go ahead from him, I had to also order in special stock for the menus. How should I handle this ..... I think he feels like I was trying to take him by the fact I needed to re-design the menu. Wayne Wayne Stevenhaagen & Associates Kingston, Ontario, Canada _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Mon Nov 19 11:19:14 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Mon Nov 19 11:20:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] For those offering promotional products..... Message-ID: PPAI charges a yearly fee for promotional products. But I believe you have to do around $2500 a year in product sales. Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Mon Nov 19 11:27:03 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Mon Nov 19 11:27:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] For those offering promotional products..... Message-ID: I'm a ASI Member & still have issues with customers that find the same product online for same price or less. This is discouraging when you consider the monthly cost to be an ASI member. We had a street fair in July in our area & the president of our board which I'm also a member, ask me to get him 1000 t-shirts printed front & back & some other products. He handed me some prices that he googled & ask me if I can at the very least match the prices. Three out of the four I couldn't even get close. So don't worry about becoming a member when these issues arise. I've made money being a member, but I not to sure it's worth the cost. Average sales are around $400-$600. But I lose more than I get to online orders. Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Mon Nov 19 11:34:19 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Mon Nov 19 11:34:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wide Format Color Message-ID: Mamaki or Mutoh are very tough units that can print on just about anything. You can purchase their 54" units for just around $14,000. As far as your pricing. We do trade prints & charge $5-6 per sq ft. You should reconfigure your pricing for the public around $8. Your pricing shouldn't be based on your customer's liking. Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Mon Nov 19 11:47:53 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Mon Nov 19 11:49:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? Message-ID: Not to much you can do. In our place, no matter how much an order is & customer is new. We require 50% down before proofs are even started. Been in this industry too long to provide unwanted free services. I've had plenty of people walk out cause they feel they shouldn't have to give a deposit to start an order. Let them go to my competitor's which don't have in-house graphics. Now on the other hand, the other option I'm thinking about might land you in jail! Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Nov 19 11:52:40 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Nov 19 11:52:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? In-Reply-To: <0e0d01c82ac1$3d955270$b8bff750$@com> References: <001601c8298b$1a471c40$6500a8c0@BEDROOM> <0e0d01c82ac1$3d955270$b8bff750$@com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0711190852n794a8c5t4026988cd4d213e9@mail.gmail.com> On Nov 19, 2007 10:31 AM, Armand Girard wrote: > > Good luck trying to collect "full retail" from your employee. That's illegal > in most states. And non-compete agreements are often (usually?) hard to enforce. But they serve their purpose as a deterrent. And of driving a point home. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From printmail at goinsty.com Mon Nov 19 11:56:32 2007 From: printmail at goinsty.com (Rob Meier) Date: Mon Nov 19 11:57:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] SLITTERS-SUN & alternatives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4741C040.1020602@goinsty.com> Ron, I am happy with the machines I've purchased from Thermo-Type over the years. They do answer their phones. I've had my floor model slitter that we bought used since 1993 and it still works great for most of the work we do. Very fast and dependable. http://www.thermotype.com/ Good luck, Rob Meier Ron Taggart wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have a little Sun business card slitter and it has worked fine for us. > > We would like to get something that will take us all the way from a 9x12 > w/gutters to business card size. Sun sells one of these but I was wondering > if there is anything else out there on the market. > > Sun doesn't answer either of their phone numbers. > > > > Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below > should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a > statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general > edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. > > If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you > really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis > > People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham > > The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego > ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the > pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell > > > > > Ron Taggart, President > PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. > 4246 Hudson Drive > Stow, Ohio 44224 > 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 > www.printingconcepts.com > ron@printingconcepts.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > -- _____________________________ Insty-Prints 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-1959 phone (800) 258-8122 toll free (715) 835-7078 fax goinsty@goinsty.com _____________________________ Star Marking - Rubber Stamps 2425 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-4001 phone (800) 634-4002 toll free (715) 835-7078 fax stamps@starmarking.com From armand at curryonline.com Mon Nov 19 12:03:50 2007 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Mon Nov 19 12:03:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0711190852n794a8c5t4026988cd4d213e9@mail.gmail.com> References: <001601c8298b$1a471c40$6500a8c0@BEDROOM> <0e0d01c82ac1$3d955270$b8bff750$@com> <98f5b19a0711190852n794a8c5t4026988cd4d213e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0ee501c82ace$281f7940$785e6bc0$@com> Michael, The difference between threatening an employee with paying full retail for a job they didn't collect a deposit and a non-compete not being enforced is that the employee has the Department of Labor on their side and can institute action with just a phone call. The non-compete is a civil matter and requires much more effort to enforce. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:53 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Nov 19, 2007 10:31 AM, Armand Girard wrote: > > Good luck trying to collect "full retail" from your employee. That's illegal > in most states. And non-compete agreements are often (usually?) hard to enforce. But they serve their purpose as a deterrent. And of driving a point home. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mail at myprinter.biz Mon Nov 19 12:38:24 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Mon Nov 19 12:38:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? In-Reply-To: <002c01c82ac6$7bfdc920$73f95b60$@com> Message-ID: ...if I were an employee, I would be highly offended if my boss instituted a policy like that. You're a business owner - in exchange for getting the profits, you also must assume the risks. Tom Tom - The VERY LAST thing I'd want to do is to offend an employee that ignored my specific instructions to get a deposit before submitting a job to be worked on. Heaven forbid! What was I thinking? After all, if they're going to ignore my specific instructions, God knows what they might do if I offend them by making them suffer the same consequences I do when that rule's violated. To the degree that I've got to assume risks in exchange for getting profits, I've also got to institute reasonable rules to protect those profits. Making people suffer "natural" consequences when they're erred can be awful...and is also known, in another context, as good parenting. ...which doesn't mean that I'm right and you're wrong (or vice versa). Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Tom King Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:09 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>>>>I've just instituted a rule that allows any employee to accept and start work without a deposit, as long as they're willing to pay full retail in case we get shafted. ---------------- As was mentioned, I highly doubt that's legal. In addition, if I were an employee, I would be highly offended if my boss instituted a policy like that. You're a business owner - in exchange for getting the profits, you also must assume the risks. Just my opinion... Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From rstor at copycats.com Mon Nov 19 12:48:46 2007 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Mon Nov 19 12:50:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4741CC7E.6090104@copycats.com> Dan: 1. I believe that taking the cost for the mistake out of their paycheck is illegal. 2. I would rather eat the occasional $800 mistake than train my employees to be risk-averse and to not put themselves on the line. 3. If the "pay the cost" of the mistake is a formal, enforced policy (assuming that it is not illegal) you will quickly drive away anyone that ends up paying $800 out of their own pocket. It's easier on everyone's morale to just fire them. Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com mail@myprinter.biz wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > ...if I were an employee, I would be highly offended if my boss instituted a > policy like that. You're a business owner - in exchange for getting the > profits, you > also must assume the risks. > > Tom > > Tom - > > The VERY LAST thing I'd want to do is to offend an employee that ignored my > specific instructions to get a deposit before submitting a job to be worked > on. > > Heaven forbid! > > What was I thinking? After all, if they're going to ignore my specific > instructions, God knows what they might do if I offend them by making them > suffer the same consequences I do when that rule's violated. > > To the degree that I've got to assume risks in exchange for getting profits, > I've also got to institute reasonable rules to protect those profits. > > Making people suffer "natural" consequences when they're erred can be > awful...and is also known, in another context, as good parenting. > > ...which doesn't mean that I'm right and you're wrong (or vice versa). > > Dan > Sir Speedy Printing Center > 5845 Hollywood Boulevard > Hollywood, FL 33021 > tel. 954.962.1309 > fax 954.962.1366 > dan@myprinter.biz > www.myprinter.biz > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Tom King > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:09 AM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >>>>>> I've just instituted a rule that allows any employee to accept and >>>>>> > start > work without a deposit, as long as they're willing to pay full retail in > case we get shafted. > ---------------- > As was mentioned, I highly doubt that's legal. In addition, if I were an > employee, I would be highly offended if my boss instituted a policy like > that. You're a business owner - in exchange for getting the profits, you > also must assume the risks. > > Just my opinion... > > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From robin at protypeonline.com Mon Nov 19 12:53:21 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Mon Nov 19 12:52:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Tabber Advice Needed Message-ID: <011DCFAB-F773-4D1C-83C5-F6A012650DC0@protypeonline.com> Thanks Rick -- exactly what I was looking for but couldn't locate myself....I googled like crazy but only came up with bigger type units even the tabletop units needed a separate feeder. Thank you and have a great Thanksgiving! Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From jgross at techiowa.com Mon Nov 19 12:56:56 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Mon Nov 19 12:57:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? In-Reply-To: <4741CC7E.6090104@copycats.com> Message-ID: <00eb01c82ad5$931ed090$1e00000a@tech.local> We require the operator to complete a quick report on errors that list at over $50. We shoe the cost of the error ay 50% of the list price and require an explanation of the goof. We also ask if there is a need for a change in policy or procedure or additional training. This is signed by the department head and principals as well. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robert Stor Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:49 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Dan: 1. I believe that taking the cost for the mistake out of their paycheck is illegal. 2. I would rather eat the occasional $800 mistake than train my employees to be risk-averse and to not put themselves on the line. 3. If the "pay the cost" of the mistake is a formal, enforced policy (assuming that it is not illegal) you will quickly drive away anyone that ends up paying $800 out of their own pocket. It's easier on everyone's morale to just fire them. Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com mail@myprinter.biz wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > ...if I were an employee, I would be highly offended if my boss instituted a > policy like that. You're a business owner - in exchange for getting the > profits, you > also must assume the risks. > > Tom > > Tom - > > The VERY LAST thing I'd want to do is to offend an employee that ignored my > specific instructions to get a deposit before submitting a job to be worked > on. > > Heaven forbid! > > What was I thinking? After all, if they're going to ignore my specific > instructions, God knows what they might do if I offend them by making them > suffer the same consequences I do when that rule's violated. > > To the degree that I've got to assume risks in exchange for getting profits, > I've also got to institute reasonable rules to protect those profits. > > Making people suffer "natural" consequences when they're erred can be > awful...and is also known, in another context, as good parenting. > > ...which doesn't mean that I'm right and you're wrong (or vice versa). > > Dan > Sir Speedy Printing Center > 5845 Hollywood Boulevard > Hollywood, FL 33021 > tel. 954.962.1309 > fax 954.962.1366 > dan@myprinter.biz > www.myprinter.biz > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Tom King > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:09 AM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >>>>>> I've just instituted a rule that allows any employee to accept and >>>>>> > start > work without a deposit, as long as they're willing to pay full retail in > case we get shafted. > ---------------- > As was mentioned, I highly doubt that's legal. In addition, if I were an > employee, I would be highly offended if my boss instituted a policy like > that. You're a business owner - in exchange for getting the profits, you > also must assume the risks. > > Just my opinion... > > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mail at myprinter.biz Mon Nov 19 13:18:06 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Mon Nov 19 13:18:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? In-Reply-To: <4741CC7E.6090104@copycats.com> Message-ID: "I would rather eat the occasional $800 mistake than train my employees to be risk-averse and to not put themselves on the line." Bob Bob - In the current context - ignoring the "get a deposit" rule - the employees aren't being trained "to be risk averse and to not put themselves on the line." They're being trained to risk whatever they wish to, as long as they've willing to suffer the consequences, and to not put ME on the line by ignoring my specific instructions. Further, you want me to fire them, and Tom suggests that I not offend them: Would you help me with an inoffensive way to fire them for having violated specific instructions (especially since, if it got to that point, I'd want to shoot them)? ...and both of you are missing the point, which is to give the my CRSs the same motivation I've got for getting deposits, with the hope that I never have to enforce the consequences, because none of them will break the rule. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Robert Stor Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:49 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Dan: 1. I believe that taking the cost for the mistake out of their paycheck is illegal. 2. I would rather eat the occasional $800 mistake than train my employees to be risk-averse and to not put themselves on the line. 3. If the "pay the cost" of the mistake is a formal, enforced policy (assuming that it is not illegal) you will quickly drive away anyone that ends up paying $800 out of their own pocket. It's easier on everyone's morale to just fire them. Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com mail@myprinter.biz wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > ...if I were an employee, I would be highly offended if my boss instituted a > policy like that. You're a business owner - in exchange for getting the > profits, you > also must assume the risks. > > Tom > > Tom - > > The VERY LAST thing I'd want to do is to offend an employee that ignored my > specific instructions to get a deposit before submitting a job to be worked > on. > > Heaven forbid! > > What was I thinking? After all, if they're going to ignore my specific > instructions, God knows what they might do if I offend them by making them > suffer the same consequences I do when that rule's violated. > > To the degree that I've got to assume risks in exchange for getting profits, > I've also got to institute reasonable rules to protect those profits. > > Making people suffer "natural" consequences when they're erred can be > awful...and is also known, in another context, as good parenting. > > ...which doesn't mean that I'm right and you're wrong (or vice versa). > > Dan > Sir Speedy Printing Center > 5845 Hollywood Boulevard > Hollywood, FL 33021 > tel. 954.962.1309 > fax 954.962.1366 > dan@myprinter.biz > www.myprinter.biz > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Tom King > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:09 AM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >>>>>> I've just instituted a rule that allows any employee to accept and >>>>>> > start > work without a deposit, as long as they're willing to pay full retail in > case we get shafted. > ---------------- > As was mentioned, I highly doubt that's legal. In addition, if I were an > employee, I would be highly offended if my boss instituted a policy like > that. You're a business owner - in exchange for getting the profits, you > also must assume the risks. > > Just my opinion... > > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From villageprinting1 at aol.com Mon Nov 19 13:44:00 2007 From: villageprinting1 at aol.com (villageprinting1@aol.com) Date: Mon Nov 19 13:44:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8C9F8F3488FC230-9A8-3632@WEBMAIL-DC13.sysops.aol.com> I have to agree that you have to apply some sort of consequences to CSR that blantanly?disregard standards you place in order to protect their jobs & the future of the company.? I wouldn't go to your extremes but I feel your pain.? I've resolved this problem by having an employee?meeting where I stipulated that bonus's will be determined based on them understanding, implementing & maintaining correct order taking.? First & foremost is getting deposits on all orders.? Jobs that are $60 or less must be paid for up front.? If that can't do this then they would have to leave! Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax www.printing-n-graphics.com -----Original Message----- From: mail@myprinter.biz To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 1:18 pm Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** "I would rather eat the occasional $800 mistake than train my employees to be risk-averse and to not put themselves on the line." Bob Bob - In the current context - ignoring the "get a deposit" rule - the employees aren't being trained "to be risk averse and to not put themselves on the line." They're being trained to risk whatever they wish to, as long as they've willing to suffer the consequences, and to not put ME on the line by ignoring my specific instructions. Further, you want me to fire them, and Tom suggests that I not offend them: Would you help me with an inoffensive way to fire them for having violated specific instructions (especially since, if it got to that point, I'd want to shoot them)? ...and both of you are missing the point, which is to give the my CRSs the same motivation I've got for getting deposits, with the hope that I never have to enforce the consequences, because none of them will break the rule. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Robert Stor Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:49 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Dan: 1. I believe that taking the cost for the mistake out of their paycheck is illegal. 2. I would rather eat the occasional $800 mistake than train my employees to be risk-averse and to not put themselves on the line. 3. If the "pay the cost" of the mistake is a formal, enforced policy (assuming that it is not illegal) you will quickly drive away anyone that ends up paying $800 out of their own pocket. It's easier on everyone's morale to just fire them. Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com mail@myprinter.biz wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > ...if I were an employee, I would be highly offended if my boss instituted a > policy like that. You're a business owner - in exchange for getting the > profits, you > also must assume the risks. > > Tom > > Tom - > > The VERY LAST thing I'd want to do is to offend an employee that ignored my > specific instructions to get a deposit before submitting a job to be worked > on. > > Heaven forbid! > > What was I thinking? After all, if they're going to ignore my specific > instructions, God knows what they might do if I offend them by making them > suffer the same consequences I do when that rule's violated. > > To the degree that I've got to assume risks in exchange for getting profits, > I've also got to institute reasonable rules to protect those profits. > > Making people suffer "natural" consequences when they're erred can be > awful...and is also known, in another context, as good parenting. > > ...which doesn't mean that I'm right and you're wrong (or vice versa). > > Dan > Sir Speedy Printing Center > 5845 Hollywood Boulevard > Hollywood, FL 33021 > tel. 954.962.1309 > fax 954.962.1366 > dan@myprinter.biz > www.myprinter.biz > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Tom King > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:09 AM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >>>>>> I've just instituted a rule that allows any employee to accept and >>>>>> > start > work without a deposit, as long as they're willing to pay full retail in > case we get shafted. > ---------------- > As was mentioned, I highly doubt that's legal. In addition, if I were an > employee, I would be highly offended if my boss instituted a policy like > that. You're a business owner - in exchange for getting the profits, you > also must assume the risks. > > Just my opinion... > > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From bjohnson at nemont.net Mon Nov 19 13:51:09 2007 From: bjohnson at nemont.net (bob johnson) Date: Mon Nov 19 13:51:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Picture Box Message-ID: I have A MAC with QuarkXpress 7.3. I am doing some Christmas letters that require some photos to be put in a Christmas tree, Bulb, and decoration picture box. Does anyone know a source for this type of picture boxes? Thank You Bob Johnson From segass at heritageprinting.com Mon Nov 19 13:51:59 2007 From: segass at heritageprinting.com (Steve Gass) Date: Mon Nov 19 13:52:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What I did this weekend with my KM6500 In-Reply-To: <263611.59415.qm@web38906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <033d01c82add$449f78e0$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> Hello, I like hearing what others are doing with their equipment, so here is what I am doing with my KM6500 digital press. We took a job last Thursday, November 15. It was approved to print after one copy on Friday at close of business. This is the biggest copy job we have taken. Qty: 217 copies Pages: 240 - 8.5x11 with bleed on 4 side(with text coming 1/8"from edge on both sides) Software: InDesign CS3 PC Text Paper: 70# Gloss Text (run 2up 12x18, cut from 19x25) Cover Paper 80# Gloss Cover (run 1up 12x18, cut from 20x26) Due Date: Wednesday at noon (50 miles away) Total 11x17 clicks: 26,514 I finished the copying part on Sunday night. I put in 15 hours (not continuous) on this job but left with the machine run many times. The machine only stopped for toner, more paper or the output tray was full or heavy. Today (Monday) the job is in perfect binding and three knife trimming. It will be ready by 4:00 today. Background: We have had the KM6500 since May 2007. The first month, we did 15,000 clicks. Then over the next 5 months we averaged 24,000 copies per month with 40% being B&W. Service and support on the KM is REAL good from Capital Office Solutions. Before the KM we had a CLC1150 (with IKON Service, average service/support) and averaged 6,000 copies per month with 25% being B&W. We did mostly proofs on the CLC. The last 5 years we have been doing short-run perfect bind full color books in the pressroom. (Quantities from 250 to 5,000 with page counts of 100 to 500.) Most of the clicks on the KM have been taking jobs off the Ryobi 3302 small press (1 and 2 color flyers, brochures, bc, letterhead, NCR, Post cards, etc.) and short-run color from the 4 color 28" press (Agfa Acento DTP system) We are seeing how far you can push the KM in quality, quantity and pricing. Thanks, Steve Gass Heritage Printing & Mailing Leonardtown, Maryland 240-298-0102 P.S.: We are billed 11x17 at .045 for color and .01 for B&W. When I talk clicks, it is 11x17. From jgross at techiowa.com Mon Nov 19 14:33:02 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Mon Nov 19 14:33:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: KM Pricing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <010001c82ae3$00754f90$1e00000a@tech.local> Has anyone been successful in getting KM pricing down to their distributers? I prefer to do business with the folks who have been faithfully maintaining my current equipment and giving them the sale. I get tired of manufacturers sc****** their dealers by going direct. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com From acepm2 at gmail.com Mon Nov 19 14:43:02 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Mon Nov 19 14:43:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What I did this weekend with my KM6500 In-Reply-To: <033d01c82add$449f78e0$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> References: <263611.59415.qm@web38906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <033d01c82add$449f78e0$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> Message-ID: Steve, Excellent post results!! Keep us updated as to the quantities and how quick you can run them. Also, don't forget to put yourself in for a bit of O/T for the 15 hours this weekend!!! :) Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.ACEPM.com On Nov 19, 2007 1:51 PM, Steve Gass wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello, > > > > I like hearing what others are doing with their equipment, so here is what > I > am doing with my KM6500 digital press. > > > > We took a job last Thursday, November 15. It was approved to print after > one copy on Friday at close of business. This is the biggest copy job we > have taken. > > > > Qty: 217 copies > > Pages: 240 - 8.5x11 with bleed on 4 side(with text coming 1/8"from edge > on > both sides) > > Software: InDesign CS3 PC > > Text Paper: 70# Gloss Text (run 2up 12x18, cut from 19x25) > > Cover Paper 80# Gloss Cover (run 1up 12x18, cut from 20x26) > > Due Date: Wednesday at noon (50 miles away) > > > > Total 11x17 clicks: 26,514 > > > > I finished the copying part on Sunday night. I put in 15 hours (not > continuous) on this job but left with the machine run many times. The > machine only stopped for toner, more paper or the output tray was full or > heavy. Today (Monday) the job is in perfect binding and three knife > trimming. It will be ready by 4:00 today. > > > > > > Background: > > We have had the KM6500 since May 2007. The first month, we did 15,000 > clicks. Then over the next 5 months we averaged 24,000 copies per month > with 40% being B&W. Service and support on the KM is REAL good from > Capital > Office Solutions. Before the KM we had a CLC1150 (with IKON Service, > average service/support) and averaged 6,000 copies per month with 25% > being > B&W. We did mostly proofs on the CLC. > > > > The last 5 years we have been doing short-run perfect bind full color > books > in the pressroom. (Quantities from 250 to 5,000 with page counts of 100 to > 500.) Most of the clicks on the KM have been taking jobs off the Ryobi > 3302 > small press (1 and 2 color flyers, brochures, bc, letterhead, NCR, Post > cards, etc.) and short-run color from the 4 color 28" press (Agfa Acento > DTP > system) > > > > We are seeing how far you can push the KM in quality, quantity and > pricing. > > > > Thanks, > > Steve Gass > > > > Heritage Printing & Mailing > > Leonardtown, Maryland > > 240-298-0102 > > > > P.S.: We are billed 11x17 at .045 for color and .01 for B&W. When I talk > clicks, it is 11x17. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From slb at inkspot.net Mon Nov 19 15:14:11 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon Nov 19 15:14:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Tabber Advice Needed In-Reply-To: <011DCFAB-F773-4D1C-83C5-F6A012650DC0@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <4741A843.29155.3ED713FC@slb.inkspot.net> Robin, I don't understand why a separate feeder is a problem. In the Accufast line, for example, the FX feeder will feed an inkjet addresser or a tabber with equal facility. If you are starting small, why would you want to pay for a feeder with both the tabber and printer? Of course, if you're looking for a tabber that incorporates a feeder, the Rena tabletops work well, but, unless you find them on the secondary market, they seem to be priced at a premium relative to the Accufast line, and, in my limited experience, perform about the same. JMO, Steve > > > Thanks Rick -- exactly what I was looking for but couldn't locate > myself....I googled like crazy but only came up with bigger type > units even the tabletop units needed a separate feeder. > Thank you and have a great Thanksgiving! > Robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2669 (20071119) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From oren66 at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 19 15:35:56 2007 From: oren66 at sbcglobal.net (Arie Teomi) Date: Mon Nov 19 15:36:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: KM Pricing Message-ID: <727179.77349.qm@web83405.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> John, If you don't like manufacturer that are selling direct you should avoid KM alltogether. On the other hand, the manufacturer can deal with issues that the dealer can't and he/she may need to refer to the manufacturer. I had situations that the dealer did not want to take responsibility and I had to either accept his solution or get to the manufacturer myself. I always prefer to by from the main source as much as possible. Arie Teomi LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.LastingImpressionDirect.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner ----- Original Message ---- From: John Gross To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:33:02 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: KM Pricing ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Has anyone been successful in getting KM pricing down to their distributers? I prefer to do business with the folks who have been faithfully maintaining my current equipment and giving them the sale. I get tired of manufacturers sc****** their dealers by going direct. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dvmonto at optonline.net Mon Nov 19 16:43:18 2007 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Mon Nov 19 16:43:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How to handle this situation? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11/19/07 1:18 PM, "mail@myprinter.biz" wrote: > ...and both of you are missing the point, which is to give the my CRSs the > same motivation I've got for getting deposits, with the hope that I never > have to enforce the consequences, because none of them will break the rule. How about if you make it a positive reinforcement? Set up a bonus system where the price of the job is deducted from the bonus total. So if the bonus is $250 per quarter and they take a $50 job without a deposit, it is deducted from the bonus total. That way they are paying for the lack of getting a deposit and you do not run into any labor laws....... You could take this further and include the costs of any redos. -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net www.sirspeedy.com/wappingersfalls Debts can be chains, best used when they can haul you to new heights, rather than entangle your legs. It?s the same with possessions. "Man doesn?t possess possessions: they possess us". --Pete Seeger From jgross at techiowa.com Mon Nov 19 17:23:36 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Mon Nov 19 17:23:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Coolest thing I have seen lately In-Reply-To: <007801c82879$f6111e50$0400000a@CraigNotebook> Message-ID: <012101c82afa$d454b190$1e00000a@tech.local> Craig, are you sure that this is an oil painting and not an inkjet on a canvas with simulated brushstrokes right in the canvas. The Chinese work cheap and good, but $30??? Look at it under a loupe while I photoshop a photo of my granddaughter to get it ready. Thanks John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Craig Vestal Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 11:56 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Coolest thing I have seen lately ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Last summer I was surfing for some art to steal and I came across an intersting website: http://www.painting-studio.com They specialize in oil paintings made to order, and charge by the size and complexity. Turn around is two weeks, they ship the finished work on canvas unstretched and rolled up in a tube. I had one done as an experiment - a 2 x 3 foot painting of our 1949 Crosley delivery truck . Cost me 30 bucks, looks better than the truck itself and is almost as large. The high quality of the finished work is astonishing! I have ordered several more in the meantime with excellent results. If you have a project that requires that type of illustration and you have the two weeks, you just email them your jpeg and wait by the door. I had part of a client's print job painted, stretched and framed as a thank you for under a hundred bucks (I did the stretching and framing myself). That was a knock out gift. I will post the Crosley picture on my website, so you can see how cool this is. Craig Vestal President Portage Printing 1116 W Centre, Portage, MI 49024 269.323.9333 PortagePrinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From xeroid at kos.net Mon Nov 19 17:41:57 2007 From: xeroid at kos.net (xeroid) Date: Mon Nov 19 17:42:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] UPDATE: How to handle this situation? Message-ID: <004701c82afd$66ab3d50$6500a8c0@BEDROOM> I finally got a hold of this customer on the phone late today. His argument was this: After he recieved the proofs from me, (the menus I had to re-do because I couldn't edit the prices) he decided to see if someone else could edit just the prices. He says he gave it to a friend and he was successful in editing just the prices. He now blames me for not being honest? He also mentioned that the menus where not exactly the same as the original files which I explained this was just the first proof and that he could change it as much as he wished until he was happy without charge as we had agreed and set the price. FYI: I tried to edit the text/prices in the files he supplied me which was done in photoshop. The text acted like a picture file placed into the document. It was easier and faster for me to re-do a properly done file. I explained to him that every shop uses their own systems of software and hardware and that I was unable to just change his pricing and that he had agreed to a total price and had given me the go ahead over the phone. I told him he would have to pay for the actual hours of work completed thus far. He flatly said he would not pay which I then told him it was our company proceedure to send it to collections. He then said he would lie and deny he ever gave the go ahead ! So off to the collection agency in the morning. I wonder if they will have any success? Wayne Stevenhaagen & Associates Kingston, ON, ----- Original Message ----- >A newer customer. Has been in the store a couple times for small stuff. >He wants 2 menus with update pricing for his restaruant and brings me a CD >from the last designer. I go through the files and they are a mess. I >can't seem to edit the pricing or text and can only grab the clip arts >used. I call him to let him know the price will be 2-3 hours to re-do the >menu and we agree on $800 as the total to do the design and printing work. >I tell him the redesign will not be exact, but very close. He agrees with >the price and verbally gives me the go ahead over the phone. > > The next day I drop off the proof of the two new menus. I don't hear back > from him, so I call to see whats up and he explains that he has been to > busy to look at the proofs but may get back to me the next day. A couple > of days pass and I send in my sales rep to go over the proofs with him. > He tells my sales rep he had a friend update the files, and that a > redesing of 2 - 3 hours was not necessary. He also mentions the proofs > are not exactly as the original menus and says sorry if I waisted your > time. He has no intention of paying anything for the work done. > > In the mean time, after getting the go ahead from him, I had to also order > in special stock for the menus. > > How should I handle this ..... I think he feels like I was trying to take > him by the fact I needed to re-design the menu. > > Wayne > Wayne Stevenhaagen & Associates > Kingston, Ontario, Canada > > > From zapit at zapcolor.com Tue Nov 20 00:59:29 2007 From: zapit at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez) Date: Tue Nov 20 01:05:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox Issues BEWARE.... In-Reply-To: <20071119203620.21D9CC91AFF@rb.enter.net> References: <20071119203620.21D9CC91AFF@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: As many of you know, I am a bit busy these days, dealing with a city of 150,000 people and a shop of 11(which of course is sometimes more trying). Anyway, last year we had a Konica C500 on a 3 month, 5 day trial, let's just say it didn't perform. The 6500 wasn't really rolled out yet so we negotiated with Xerox to put in a Docucolor 5252 (baby 6060) or so I thought. It has a pretty high end Fiery rip and does print out color REAL Fast, when it works. Well it seems there is an internal Xerox memo that says the 5252 is NOT designed to be a production machine, which is pretty amazing if you visit their website. Well after a few months and LOTS of service calls, they replaced the machine with another 5252. Now over the last few months the second machine was WORSE than the first to the point of complete comedy, except they kept cashing our checks, and living at the shop. Over the last couple of months I have tried to get them to replace with a used 6060 or used 5000 or anything they could guarantee would run. Finally after weeks of negotiating, they agreed to match another PrintOwner's quote on a 5000, but that is still $600+ a month more than we are paying now, so we passed, then MAGICALLY they found a rebuilt 6060 for the same we are now paying, amazing! So we say OK last week. Then it was we'll have paperwork Mon-Tue (this week) and guess what, EVERYONE at Xerox took the week off. Now we are waiting until next week and we leave for a long waited vacation the next few days, so now we have to reply on them getting it done and a machine installed while we are 1/2 world away, trying to RELAX! Pretty sad way to run a company isn't it. Although I had my doubts Konica could service our market, they were always polite and responded. So if you want to buy from Xerox, BEWARE! None of this even addresses the service credits we are due for being down all that time, plus we are having to run work on the Doc12, since they can't get color to match on that real big box. Get an "out clause" with Xerox in writing, or run the other way, you are free to share this email with any copier co. Xerox or Konica. > Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com From mail at myprinter.biz Tue Nov 20 07:09:49 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Tue Nov 20 07:09:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox Issues BEWARE.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Eugene - Thanks for the post. Since I'm currently considering a Xerox 2?2 or a KM 6500 as a replacement to our current color copier, this type of info is particularly important to me. We can (and do) talk a lot about the horrors that befall us when local service on a copier is bad, but how the manufacturer responds when one of their machines is bad speaks volumes about the true downside for us. I'm convinced that if manufacturers (except for the complete idiots) knew about these postings they'd be extremely reluctant to treat any of us in anything other than an exemplary manner. What can I do to help pressure Xerox for you? Dan Lipford Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Eugene Montanez Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:59 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Cc: Donn Goldstick; Steve Johnson Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox Issues BEWARE.... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** As many of you know, I am a bit busy these days, dealing with a city of 150,000 people and a shop of 11(which of course is sometimes more trying). Anyway, last year we had a Konica C500 on a 3 month, 5 day trial, let's just say it didn't perform. The 6500 wasn't really rolled out yet so we negotiated with Xerox to put in a Docucolor 5252 (baby 6060) or so I thought. It has a pretty high end Fiery rip and does print out color REAL Fast, when it works. Well it seems there is an internal Xerox memo that says the 5252 is NOT designed to be a production machine, which is pretty amazing if you visit their website. Well after a few months and LOTS of service calls, they replaced the machine with another 5252. Now over the last few months the second machine was WORSE than the first to the point of complete comedy, except they kept cashing our checks, and living at the shop. Over the last couple of months I have tried to get them to replace with a used 6060 or used 5000 or anything they could guarantee would run. Finally after weeks of negotiating, they agreed to match another PrintOwner's quote on a 5000, but that is still $600+ a month more than we are paying now, so we passed, then MAGICALLY they found a rebuilt 6060 for the same we are now paying, amazing! So we say OK last week. Then it was we'll have paperwork Mon-Tue (this week) and guess what, EVERYONE at Xerox took the week off. Now we are waiting until next week and we leave for a long waited vacation the next few days, so now we have to reply on them getting it done and a machine installed while we are 1/2 world away, trying to RELAX! Pretty sad way to run a company isn't it. Although I had my doubts Konica could service our market, they were always polite and responded. So if you want to buy from Xerox, BEWARE! None of this even addresses the service credits we are due for being down all that time, plus we are having to run work on the Doc12, since they can't get color to match on that real big box. Get an "out clause" with Xerox in writing, or run the other way, you are free to share this email with any copier co. Xerox or Konica. > Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From joe at calagaz.com Tue Nov 20 08:35:14 2007 From: joe at calagaz.com (Joe Calagaz) Date: Tue Nov 20 08:35:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox Issues BEWARE.... Message-ID: Also thanks for the post..... I have an old 6060 (that might be on the market soon) that is having trouble keeping up with my volume and are considering the new 8000 or the Canon 7000. Any suggestions or experience would be appreciated. I would say that the reason that Xerox can not keep the machine running is not a machine problem, but a personnel and leadership problem in my local area...... Joe Calagaz Calagaz Digital Printing joe@calagaz.com www.calagazprinting.com 251-478-0487 ________________________________ From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org on behalf of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Tue 11/20/2007 6:09 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Xerox Issues BEWARE.... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Eugene - Thanks for the post. Since I'm currently considering a Xerox 2?2 or a KM 6500 as a replacement to our current color copier, this type of info is particularly important to me. We can (and do) talk a lot about the horrors that befall us when local service on a copier is bad, but how the manufacturer responds when one of their machines is bad speaks volumes about the true downside for us. I'm convinced that if manufacturers (except for the complete idiots) knew about these postings they'd be extremely reluctant to treat any of us in anything other than an exemplary manner. What can I do to help pressure Xerox for you? Dan Lipford Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Eugene Montanez Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:59 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Cc: Donn Goldstick; Steve Johnson Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox Issues BEWARE.... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** As many of you know, I am a bit busy these days, dealing with a city of 150,000 people and a shop of 11(which of course is sometimes more trying). Anyway, last year we had a Konica C500 on a 3 month, 5 day trial, let's just say it didn't perform. The 6500 wasn't really rolled out yet so we negotiated with Xerox to put in a Docucolor 5252 (baby 6060) or so I thought. It has a pretty high end Fiery rip and does print out color REAL Fast, when it works. Well it seems there is an internal Xerox memo that says the 5252 is NOT designed to be a production machine, which is pretty amazing if you visit their website. Well after a few months and LOTS of service calls, they replaced the machine with another 5252. Now over the last few months the second machine was WORSE than the first to the point of complete comedy, except they kept cashing our checks, and living at the shop. Over the last couple of months I have tried to get them to replace with a used 6060 or used 5000 or anything they could guarantee would run. Finally after weeks of negotiating, they agreed to match another PrintOwner's quote on a 5000, but that is still $600+ a month more than we are paying now, so we passed, then MAGICALLY they found a rebuilt 6060 for the same we are now paying, amazing! So we say OK last week. Then it was we'll have paperwork Mon-Tue (this week) and guess what, EVERYONE at Xerox took the week off. Now we are waiting until next week and we leave for a long waited vacation the next few days, so now we have to reply on them getting it done and a machine installed while we are 1/2 world away, trying to RELAX! Pretty sad way to run a company isn't it. Although I had my doubts Konica could service our market, they were always polite and responded. So if you want to buy from Xerox, BEWARE! None of this even addresses the service credits we are due for being down all that time, plus we are having to run work on the Doc12, since they can't get color to match on that real big box. Get an "out clause" with Xerox in writing, or run the other way, you are free to share this email with any copier co. Xerox or Konica. > Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dvmonto at optonline.net Tue Nov 20 08:49:32 2007 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Tue Nov 20 08:49:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox Issues BEWARE.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11/20/07 12:59 AM, "Eugene Montanez" wrote: > Now we are > waiting until next week and we leave for a long waited vacation the > next few days, so now we have to reply on them getting it done and a > machine installed while we are 1/2 world away, trying to RELAX! Maybe you will find your name on the board for a Painkiller! Sounds like you need it. Enjoy your vacation and tell Mic I said hi and I will see him in March. -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with anybody that stands right, stand with him while he is right, and part with him when he goes wrong. - -- Abraham Lincoln From craig at portageprinting.com Tue Nov 20 09:18:36 2007 From: craig at portageprinting.com (Craig Vestal) Date: Tue Nov 20 09:19:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Coolest thing References: <20071120133542.22D6DC93F55@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <002101c82b80$3dd7f2f0$0400000a@CraigNotebook> John, I had your exact doubts about this. I will tell you just how cool and real this is: My first order was for two of my trucks. The big box van has a lot of lettering on the side (main reason we bought it) and here & there the Chinese artist misspelled some words! The lettering is all quite obviously hand-done. The two trucks are both wonderful, and quite different - they were obviously painted in different styles by different artists. I would not pay anyone for an ink-jet fake. I could make those myself, if I wanted one. I have since had a couple more done, most recently a portrait of my four beautiful children. They are almost hyperrealistic (think Chuck Close). You can smell the paint and see every blinkin brushstroke. The portrait was more expensive, but it was much more complicated - I can detect the different styles of at least 5 painters. I asked the company to paint their portraits "like Gainsborough" (meaning texture, color, brushwork etc.). What that I got was my oldest son is wearing a blue satin waistcoat and a white silk cravat. HA! Craig Vestal President Portage Printing 1116 W Centre, Portage, MI 49024 269.323.9333 PortagePrinting.com From ray at capitol-copy.com Tue Nov 20 09:30:05 2007 From: ray at capitol-copy.com (Ray Sziber) Date: Tue Nov 20 09:30:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox Issues BEWARE.... In-Reply-To: <20071120133542.22D6DC93F55@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <000301c82b81$d89a5e30$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> >>Since I'm currently considering a Xerox 2?2 or a KM 6500 as a replacement to our current color copier, this type of info is particularly important to me.<<< We are in similar situation. First, earlier this year, Xerox put us in an "allocation" category for ordering Doc12 toner and supplies, meaning we could not order more than 2 bottles of toner in the same week. (not a credit issue). Then, they increased the click rate to encourage us to trade up to new machine. But the negotiation for a new machine has turned out to be laughable. The cash price for a 242 or 260 is now in line with Larry Hunt's recommendation, BUT Xerox will not lock in a click rate, permitting them to make up lost profit through rate increases. If we choose to lease, then they raise the monthly maintenance base by 68%, and thus, as the sales rep states: "we make up for our low click rate and discounted machine price by a larger lease payment." I guess I'm in business to make sure that Xerox makes enough profit??? The KM6500 has much more appealing and favorable pricing. I have already wasted 3 months with Xerox and their used car sales tactics. Maybe they will offer me floor mats to sweeten the deal. Ray Sziber Capitol Copy Service 116 West State Street Trenton NJ 08608 Ph 609-989-8776 Fx609-989-9570 www.Capitol-Copy.com Now Offering Large Format Printing! verkin tala From John at mpcny.com Tue Nov 20 09:35:50 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Tue Nov 20 09:35:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon 7000/Kodak NEXPRESS M700 In-Reply-To: <20071120133542.22D6DC93F55@rb.enter.net> References: <20071120133542.22D6DC93F55@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <001001c82b82$a5e94450$f1bbccf0$@com> I just got back from a vip demo from Kodak at their main demo center. The new cannon box is very impressive and the quality is outstanding. One major drawback is as of today no booklet maker is online. It will be out in the next few months. (after 1st of the year) Interesting to note; that the fuser may also score if you run lots of 11 inch then go oversize. They do give you a extra fuser at install so you can just swap them. They tell me it much less likely than a Konica as the fuser's are much more robust. Rip is the Nexpress ws. Interesting that the box comes with EFI's old rip not the newest Adobe PDF release. This is a major issue for a box of this pricing and with transparency issues as time goes on. Kodak did not say it, but it is my impression EFI is not keeping up, again. I do not have pricing yet, but was impressed with the whole box. Still not sure if I would not be better off with 2, 6500's with creo rips for about the same cost. You can even get a rebuilt Nexpress classic for not much more and that offers a 5th color option. I can say this is a well built box that is not a "copier" but more a digital press. The 7000/M700 does not slow down on cover stock and looks press like. Kodak does not use a true click model but combinations of you pay for toner, user replaceable parts and maintenance contract. You do get a guaranteed cap per copy cost. Any here with a Nexpress want to comment on cpc costs they are running? Was very impressed with the direction Kodak is headed with Jeff Hayzlett, Jeff is now the number 3 person in all of Kodak. Jeff's new office is right under the K on the corporate building in Rochester. Not bad for a quick printer from the Midwest. John Henry No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.1/1140 - Release Date: 11/19/2007 7:05 PM From joe at calagaz.com Tue Nov 20 09:47:00 2007 From: joe at calagaz.com (Joe Calagaz) Date: Tue Nov 20 09:49:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon 7000/Kodak NEXPRESS M700 Message-ID: How does this compare to the Xerox 8000? I have just gotten a proposal from Danka on the Canon version with a small booklet maker on it....It looks good, but I am always worried when a salesman tells me it is "press quality" I am not sure they (a copier salesman) can always be a good judge of that..... Joe Calagaz Calagaz Digital Printing joe@calagaz.com www.calagazprinting.com 251-478-0487 ________________________________ From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org on behalf of John Henry Sent: Tue 11/20/2007 8:35 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon 7000/Kodak NEXPRESS M700 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I just got back from a vip demo from Kodak at their main demo center. The new cannon box is very impressive and the quality is outstanding. One major drawback is as of today no booklet maker is online. It will be out in the next few months. (after 1st of the year) Interesting to note; that the fuser may also score if you run lots of 11 inch then go oversize. They do give you a extra fuser at install so you can just swap them. They tell me it much less likely than a Konica as the fuser's are much more robust. Rip is the Nexpress ws. Interesting that the box comes with EFI's old rip not the newest Adobe PDF release. This is a major issue for a box of this pricing and with transparency issues as time goes on. Kodak did not say it, but it is my impression EFI is not keeping up, again. I do not have pricing yet, but was impressed with the whole box. Still not sure if I would not be better off with 2, 6500's with creo rips for about the same cost. You can even get a rebuilt Nexpress classic for not much more and that offers a 5th color option. I can say this is a well built box that is not a "copier" but more a digital press. The 7000/M700 does not slow down on cover stock and looks press like. Kodak does not use a true click model but combinations of you pay for toner, user replaceable parts and maintenance contract. You do get a guaranteed cap per copy cost. Any here with a Nexpress want to comment on cpc costs they are running? Was very impressed with the direction Kodak is headed with Jeff Hayzlett, Jeff is now the number 3 person in all of Kodak. Jeff's new office is right under the K on the corporate building in Rochester. Not bad for a quick printer from the Midwest. John Henry No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.1/1140 - Release Date: 11/19/2007 7:05 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From k_graham at hotmail.com Tue Nov 20 09:53:06 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Tue Nov 20 09:53:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox Issues BEWARE.... References: <000301c82b81$d89a5e30$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> Message-ID: Then, they increased the click rate to encourage us to trade up to > new machine. But the negotiation for a new machine has turned out to be > laughable. > The cash price for a 242 or 260 is now in line with Larry Hunt's > recommendation, BUT Xerox will not lock in a click rate, permitting them > to > make up lost profit through rate increases. If we choose to lease, then > they > raise the monthly maintenance base by 68%, and thus, as the sales rep > states: "we make up for our low click rate and discounted machine price by > a > larger lease payment." > > I guess I'm in business to make sure that Xerox makes enough profit??? The > KM6500 has much more appealing and favorable pricing. I have already > wasted > 3 months with Xerox and their used car sales tactics. Maybe they will > offer > me floor mats to sweeten the deal. > > Ray Sziber This is the kind of reason I recommend putting in a machine from each supplier at the same time. Then assuming one works good let the competition assume the other is also working good so they have reason to be competitive. Our 240 & 250 has not been without problems. On the 250 a software switch was set wrong so it was stopping after about 16 pages of 11x17 color sheets in the document feeder - probably they had if configured for less memory than it actually has. Also they've been upgrading firmware for centering image for 13x19 and other sizes on the sheet of paper. We also have had one RIP loosing its calibration of card capability - they think the hard drive may be faulty and are replacing it. We also had what appeared to be a very faint almost invisible yellow line on copy - after replacing yellow developer housing, Transfer belt and some rollers they discovered it was something to do with the black unit affecting the yellow. The difference is Xerox is fixing it - Ikon always gave me the its in your mind - these things do that - its your software - its not our problem .... That said when having troubles with Xerox send an phone or send an official letter to the president requesting they honor their commitment to replace with a suitable unit. Just as when a disgruntled customer contacts you the boss it has an amazing effect though I've never actually got through to the president. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 From yaakov at sparkdirectny.com Tue Nov 20 10:04:40 2007 From: yaakov at sparkdirectny.com (Yaakov Reshef) Date: Tue Nov 20 10:04:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox Issues BEWARE.... Message-ID: Dan,you can do what I just did: send it to your Xerox rep, and ask him to tell you , in writing , how his office will deal with a similar case... He will not write to you, but the pressure will be there... Yaakov Reshef SPARK Direct * Kwik Kopy Printing Marketing * Printing * Solutions 7 East 37th Street-NYC-10016 Tel: 212-328-2001 Fax: 212-328-2007(new number) yaakov@Sparkdirectny.com www.sparkdirectny.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 7:10 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Xerox Issues BEWARE.... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Eugene - Thanks for the post. Since I'm currently considering a Xerox 2?2 or a KM 6500 as a replacement to our current color copier, this type of info is particularly important to me. We can (and do) talk a lot about the horrors that befall us when local service on a copier is bad, but how the manufacturer responds when one of their machines is bad speaks volumes about the true downside for us. I'm convinced that if manufacturers (except for the complete idiots) knew about these postings they'd be extremely reluctant to treat any of us in anything other than an exemplary manner. What can I do to help pressure Xerox for you? Dan Lipford Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Eugene Montanez Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:59 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Cc: Donn Goldstick; Steve Johnson Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox Issues BEWARE.... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** As many of you know, I am a bit busy these days, dealing with a city of 150,000 people and a shop of 11(which of course is sometimes more trying). Anyway, last year we had a Konica C500 on a 3 month, 5 day trial, let's just say it didn't perform. The 6500 wasn't really rolled out yet so we negotiated with Xerox to put in a Docucolor 5252 (baby 6060) or so I thought. It has a pretty high end Fiery rip and does print out color REAL Fast, when it works. Well it seems there is an internal Xerox memo that says the 5252 is NOT designed to be a production machine, which is pretty amazing if you visit their website. Well after a few months and LOTS of service calls, they replaced the machine with another 5252. Now over the last few months the second machine was WORSE than the first to the point of complete comedy, except they kept cashing our checks, and living at the shop. Over the last couple of months I have tried to get them to replace with a used 6060 or used 5000 or anything they could guarantee would run. Finally after weeks of negotiating, they agreed to match another PrintOwner's quote on a 5000, but that is still $600+ a month more than we are paying now, so we passed, then MAGICALLY they found a rebuilt 6060 for the same we are now paying, amazing! So we say OK last week. Then it was we'll have paperwork Mon-Tue (this week) and guess what, EVERYONE at Xerox took the week off. Now we are waiting until next week and we leave for a long waited vacation the next few days, so now we have to reply on them getting it done and a machine installed while we are 1/2 world away, trying to RELAX! Pretty sad way to run a company isn't it. Although I had my doubts Konica could service our market, they were always polite and responded. So if you want to buy from Xerox, BEWARE! None of this even addresses the service credits we are due for being down all that time, plus we are having to run work on the Doc12, since they can't get color to match on that real big box. Get an "out clause" with Xerox in writing, or run the other way, you are free to share this email with any copier co. Xerox or Konica. > Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jeff at hprinting.biz Tue Nov 20 10:12:57 2007 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Tue Nov 20 10:13:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 4 Color Survey Message-ID: <20071120151249.29779.22724@hm-pop1.solinus.com> I just completed my survey and will be mailing it today. If you haven't completed yours, remember it must be postmarked by next Tuesday. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From mail at myprinter.biz Tue Nov 20 10:16:48 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Tue Nov 20 10:17:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon 7000/Kodak NEXPRESS M700 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Joe - This and your previous message came through just like you see below: BLANK, but with two text attachments, one of them useless, and I had to either guess correctly or open both of them to read what you had to say. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Joe Calagaz Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:47 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Canon 7000/Kodak NEXPRESS M700 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Tue Nov 20 10:47:52 2007 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Tue Nov 20 10:48:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 4 Color Survey In-Reply-To: <20071120151249.29779.22724@hm-pop1.solinus.com> References: <20071120151249.29779.22724@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Message-ID: <8416C026-AD8A-4022-8F27-A51CAF87AC2A@bellsouth.net> Mailed mine yesterday.... I am looking forward to the results! Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Nov 20, 2007, at 10:12 AM, Jeff Haines wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I just completed my survey and will be mailing it today. If you > haven't completed yours, remember it must be postmarked by next > Tuesday. > > > Jeff > > Haines Printing Co. > 10575 W. Main Rd. > North East, PA 16428 > (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 > email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From jdaghir at gmail.com Tue Nov 20 13:17:07 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Tue Nov 20 13:17:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Tabber Advice Needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83d5b9620711201017v19f73ccfsc96eaa1e2f2da2c2@mail.gmail.com> Astro makes a table-top tabber that can do most of what you want. It'll do clear and white tabs without pinfeed. Built-in feeder but 1 tab per pass. We've got a older model. A little touchy to setup sometimes but works reasonably well after that. It's built pretty sturdy for a table-top unit. It can also apply fan-fold continuous labels in addition to tabs. http://www.astromachine.com/products/9600-tabber/ -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Robin said: > I need to purchase a tabber in 2007. From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Tue Nov 20 13:41:38 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Tue Nov 20 13:42:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox Issues BEWARE.... Message-ID: We have been approved for the Xerox 242. Thanks for the info. I definitely will get in written some sort of "out clause" on our contract. Thanks Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From tammie at macombprinter.com Tue Nov 20 14:15:20 2007 From: tammie at macombprinter.com (Tammie at Quickprinters) Date: Tue Nov 20 14:20:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Embossing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Does anyone on this list do embossing? Thanks, Tammie Tammie Speer ---------------------------------- Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS __________________________________ 1120 East Jackson Street Macomb, IL 61455 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From zapit at zapcolor.com Tue Nov 20 14:59:24 2007 From: zapit at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez) Date: Tue Nov 20 15:05:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox help from PrintOwners In-Reply-To: <20071120170003.4AA15C94A8C@rb.enter.net> References: <20071120170003.4AA15C94A8C@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: After a couple of the replies today, the biggest help we can offer eachother is to share my email, and any others that have been approved to share with EVERY Xerox or Konica salesperson coming into your shop, they will use it against eachother too. > Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com From jdowning at libertygrouponline.com Tue Nov 20 15:32:07 2007 From: jdowning at libertygrouponline.com (Joy Downing) Date: Tue Nov 20 15:35:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] PrinterSite Fulfillment Message-ID: <044801c82bb4$6b6be580$1401a8c0@JOY2> Good Afternoon, Does anyone currently have PrinterSite Fulfillment from efi? If you do, I would apprecaite any feedback you may offer. We are considering this as an option to update our website. Thank you for your time. Hope everyone has a great holiday. Joy Downing The Liberty Group Bowling Green, KY 270-782-7829 From bob at gallagherprint.com Tue Nov 20 15:47:43 2007 From: bob at gallagherprint.com (Bob Gallagher) Date: Tue Nov 20 15:48:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon 7000/Kodak NEXPRESS M700 In-Reply-To: <001001c82b82$a5e94450$f1bbccf0$@com> Message-ID: On 11/20/07 9:35 AM, "John Henry" wrote: They tell me it much less likely than a Konica as the > fuser's are much more robust. > Before we purchased our KM 6500 we took a look at the NEXPRESS among others. Heck of a machine and great quality. Trying to get pricing out of them was next to impossible. You buy the unit, consumables and spare parts and treat the pricing as you would a press rather than based on click charges. We'd love to have one their machines, but as John pointed out, we can buy a couple of 6500's and still be ahead of them on price. One thing that stood out was their constant bashing of the KM 6500. Wasn't just one of their representatives, there were several. I hate negative selling and they probably convinced us to get the 6500. The more they complained about it, the closer we looked and became sold on it. Eight months later we are still sold on it. We switch back and forth between 11X17 and 12X18 all the time and never have issues. Thanks Bob Gallagher Gallagher Printing, Inc. 601 W. Main Street Palmyra, PA 17078 717-838-1527 1-888-838-1527 Fax 717-838-5715 http://www.gallagherprint.com An Adobe Service Provider A Microsoft Publisher Provider Member, Adobe Solutions Network From championprinting at yahoo.com Tue Nov 20 15:54:20 2007 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Tue Nov 20 15:57:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Tabber Advice Needed Message-ID: <160068.43192.qm@web38913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> We own this model. Do not recommend clear tabs (plastic) but translucent tabs (made from paper) work OK, but not as well as white. The performance level is determined by the QC of the tab manufacturer. We have run clear tabs (about 1/2 speed of white) but adhesive built up rather quickly. The translucents normally run smoothly and are preferred when graphics or text is in the way. We've had two or three instances where the inconsistency of the manufacturing process caused major problems with the translucent tabs. Very difficult to detect visually and normally occurred near the last 10% of the roll. Jeff - Do you have a brand of clear tabs that you recommend? BTW, if you decide on the Astro, insist on the white abraded feed wheels. The cog style wheels are positively inferior, especially when running coated stock. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Jeff Daghir To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 1:17:07 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Tabber Advice Needed ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Astro makes a table-top tabber that can do most of what you want. It'll do clear and white tabs without pinfeed. Built-in feeder but 1 tab per pass. We've got a older model. A little touchy to setup sometimes but works reasonably well after that. It's built pretty sturdy for a table-top unit. It can also apply fan-fold continuous labels in addition to tabs. http://www.astromachine.com/products/9600-tabber/ -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com From championprinting at yahoo.com Tue Nov 20 16:04:00 2007 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Tue Nov 20 16:04:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon 7000/Kodak NEXPRESS M700/KM 6500 Message-ID: <840960.99724.qm@web38903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Went to KM's open house last week. Demo'ed a 6500. Son of a gun if if didn't leave marks similar to the C500 fuser unit (when switching to wider paper), but not quite as noticeable. The somewhat embarrassed host took the blame for showing a machine in need of a major PM. Other than the edge streaks, looked good. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Bob Gallagher To: "printowners@printweb.org" Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:47:43 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Canon 7000/Kodak NEXPRESS M700 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On 11/20/07 9:35 AM, "John Henry" wrote: They tell me it much less likely than a Konica as the > fuser's are much more robust. > Before we purchased our KM 6500 we took a look at the NEXPRESS among others. Heck of a machine and great quality. Trying to get pricing out of them was next to impossible. You buy the unit, consumables and spare parts and treat the pricing as you would a press rather than based on click charges. We'd love to have one their machines, but as John pointed out, we can buy a couple of 6500's and still be ahead of them on price. One thing that stood out was their constant bashing of the KM 6500. Wasn't just one of their representatives, there were several. I hate negative selling and they probably convinced us to get the 6500. The more they complained about it, the closer we looked and became sold on it. Eight months later we are still sold on it. We switch back and forth between 11X17 and 12X18 all the time and never have issues. Thanks Bob Gallagher Gallagher Printing, Inc. 601 W. Main Street Palmyra, PA 17078 717-838-1527 1-888-838-1527 Fax 717-838-5715 http://www.gallagherprint.com From bradw at auburnprint.com Tue Nov 20 16:11:39 2007 From: bradw at auburnprint.com (Brad Weston) Date: Tue Nov 20 16:12:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Embossing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20071120131113.02693aa8@192.168.1.1> Yes. Thanks Brad Weston Auburn Printers 13020 Earhart Ave Auburn CA 95602 "Endurance Capitol of the World" 530-885-9674 Phone 530-885-6517 Fax <http://www.auburnprint.com/> At 11:15 AM 11/20/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Does anyone on this list do embossing? > > >Thanks, >Tammie > > >Tammie Speer >---------------------------------- >Tammie@MacombPrinter.com > >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS >__________________________________ >1120 East Jackson Street >Macomb, IL 61455 >309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 >http://www.macombprinter.com >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Tue Nov 20 16:54:03 2007 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Tue Nov 20 16:54:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Embossing In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20071120131113.02693aa8@192.168.1.1> References: <6.0.0.22.2.20071120131113.02693aa8@192.168.1.1> Message-ID: Tammie, We purchase dies from a local die manufacture and send it along with the job to a local bindery company. Are there any bindery companies in your area? If you need the name of a company that can create the die and ship it to you, let me know... Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Nov 20, 2007, at 4:11 PM, Brad Weston wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Yes. > > > Thanks > Brad Weston > Auburn Printers > 13020 Earhart Ave > Auburn CA 95602 > "Endurance Capitol of the World" > > 530-885-9674 Phone > 530-885-6517 Fax > <http://www.auburnprint.com/> > > > At 11:15 AM 11/20/2007, you wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Does anyone on this list do embossing? >> >> >> Thanks, >> Tammie >> >> >> Tammie Speer >> ---------------------------------- >> Tammie@MacombPrinter.com >> >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS >> __________________________________ >> 1120 East Jackson Street >> Macomb, IL 61455 >> 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 >> http://www.macombprinter.com >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From amanatranslation at yahoo.com Tue Nov 20 19:24:09 2007 From: amanatranslation at yahoo.com (nasr hussain) Date: Tue Nov 20 19:24:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Welcome Back Xeroid In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <623929.19623.qm@web31402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Welcome back Xeroid... I was wondering how were you doing a few months ago when I was reading John's Stewart article in quick printing magazine & guss what. "he picked the cheapest printer to print his postcards for his study." Can you update us on your situation. Thanks Nasr Hussain Amana Graphics Hamtramck, MI ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From xeroid at kos.net Tue Nov 20 20:47:40 2007 From: xeroid at kos.net (xeroid) Date: Tue Nov 20 20:47:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Welcome Back Xeroid References: <623929.19623.qm@web31402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000b01c82be0$86d9d2b0$6500a8c0@BEDROOM> Where do I begin ? :-) > Welcome back Xeroid... > > I was wondering how were you doing a few months ago > when I was reading John's Stewart article in quick > printing magazine & guss what. > > "he picked the cheapest printer to print his postcards > for his study." > > Can you update us on your situation. > > Thanks > Nasr Hussain > Amana Graphics > Hamtramck, MI > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From dvmonto at optonline.net Tue Nov 20 21:06:11 2007 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Tue Nov 20 21:06:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon 7000/Kodak NEXPRESS M700 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11/20/07 3:47 PM, "Bob Gallagher" wrote: > One thing that stood out was their constant bashing of the KM 6500. Wasn't > just one of their representatives, there were several. I hate negative > selling and they probably convinced us to get the 6500. The more they > complained about it, the closer we looked and became sold on it. Eight > months later we are still sold on it. I had IKON in at the beginning of the month trying to sell me their version of the K/M6500, the C650. They were constantly telling me how K/M cannot service the machines, they are not competent in the print for pay and that they even took over service on some K/M machines. But.....they would not tell me who it was. They even started bad mouthing Danka service (my current provider). When I mentioned that IKON's lousy service 4 years ago was the reason I switched to Danka, they started to stammer a bit then started to tout how they have changed and fixed all the problems. Konica/monolta never bad mouthed anyone. Just discussed the advantages of their machine and what it could do for my business. In the end I kicked IKON out again. Their attitude towards competitors and the fact that their proposal would have cost me over $15,000 more over the life of the contract compared to the K/M6500 sealed the deal. I would have stuck with Danka if they had a comparable product to the Konica/minolta box. Mine gets delivered next week. -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net www.sirspeedy.com/wappingersfalls "Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals and dying of nothing." ?Redd Foxx From bnjbriggs at juno.com Wed Nov 21 06:43:21 2007 From: bnjbriggs at juno.com (bnjbriggs@juno.com) Date: Wed Nov 21 06:45:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Welcome Back Xeroid Message-ID: <20071121.064321.22840.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Like I said earlier, I thought that you were remove3d from this list. Bob Briggs _____________________________________________________________ Being denied on your credit card? Click here to receive counseling services to improve your credit. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iieh7OyuTclYdGVMjkLalJoKgS6oKPw9MRydsKbkNLN9sPhXm/ From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Wed Nov 21 09:02:29 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Wed Nov 21 09:04:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon 7000/Kodak NEXPRESS M700 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Almost without exception, I will not do business with a company that bad mouths their competition. I always have that in mind when I talk with a customer and have an opportunity to do the same to my competition. I will take the high line and let others wrestle in the mud. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of David Monto Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:06 PM To: Printowners Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Canon 7000/Kodak NEXPRESS M700 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On 11/20/07 3:47 PM, "Bob Gallagher" wrote: > One thing that stood out was their constant bashing of the KM 6500. > Wasn't just one of their representatives, there were several. I hate > negative selling and they probably convinced us to get the 6500. The > more they complained about it, the closer we looked and became sold on > it. Eight months later we are still sold on it. I had IKON in at the beginning of the month trying to sell me their version of the K/M6500, the C650. They were constantly telling me how K/M cannot service the machines, they are not competent in the print for pay and that they even took over service on some K/M machines. But.....they would not tell me who it was. They even started bad mouthing Danka service (my current provider). When I mentioned that IKON's lousy service 4 years ago was the reason I switched to Danka, they started to stammer a bit then started to tout how they have changed and fixed all the problems. Konica/monolta never bad mouthed anyone. Just discussed the advantages of their machine and what it could do for my business. In the end I kicked IKON out again. Their attitude towards competitors and the fact that their proposal would have cost me over $15,000 more over the life of the contract compared to the K/M6500 sealed the deal. I would have stuck with Danka if they had a comparable product to the Konica/minolta box. Mine gets delivered next week. -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net www.sirspeedy.com/wappingersfalls "Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals and dying of nothing." References: Message-ID: <47444A14.70007@mobile-print.com> We do blind embossing on our Windmill and on the C&P handfeeds. Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com Tammie at Quickprinters wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does anyone on this list do embossing? > > > Thanks, > Tammie > > > Tammie Speer > ---------------------------------- > Tammie@MacombPrinter.com > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS > __________________________________ > 1120 East Jackson Street > Macomb, IL 61455 > 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 > http://www.macombprinter.com > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From xeroid at kos.net Wed Nov 21 10:48:25 2007 From: xeroid at kos.net (Wayne) Date: Wed Nov 21 10:51:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Welcome Back Xeroid References: <20071121.064321.22840.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <001801c82c56$4d527bc0$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> I have been on the list for a long time ..... I just tend to keep quiet. Is there a problem me being here? Wayne Stevenhaagen & Associates Kingston Ontario ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 6:43 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Welcome Back Xeroid ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Like I said earlier, I thought that you were remove3d from this list. Bob Briggs _____________________________________________________________ Being denied on your credit card? Click here to receive counseling services to improve your credit. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iieh7OyuTclYdGVMjkLalJoKgS6oKPw9MRydsKbkNLN9sPhXm/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.1/1141 - Release Date: 20/11/2007 11:34 AM From amanatranslation at yahoo.com Wed Nov 21 10:57:45 2007 From: amanatranslation at yahoo.com (nasr hussain) Date: Wed Nov 21 10:58:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Welcome Back Xeroid In-Reply-To: <20071121.064321.22840.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <666815.92808.qm@web31405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Chill out bob; It's been already a few years. & as time goes by we realize that Xeroid's opinions that were "inconvenient" to "some" listmembers are still valid today as they were ago. We have missed a lot of insight be not having him participate in this list for such a long time. & I hope most listmembers agree with me. Nasr Hussain Amana Graphics Hamtramck, MI --- "bnjbriggs@juno.com" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Like I said earlier, I thought that you were > remove3d from this list. > Bob Briggs > > _____________________________________________________________ > Being denied on your credit card? Click here to > receive counseling services to improve your credit. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iieh7OyuTclYdGVMjkLalJoKgS6oKPw9MRydsKbkNLN9sPhXm/ > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From sos at olympus.net Wed Nov 21 11:08:44 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed Nov 21 11:09:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Welcome Back Xeroid References: <20071121.064321.22840.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> <001801c82c56$4d527bc0$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> Message-ID: <09f101c82c58$ca661110$0300a8c0@DANIEL> > I have been on the list for a long time ..... I just tend to keep quiet. > Is > there a problem me being here? ============== No, absolutely not. I always enjoyed your questions. As a relative newcomer to the industry, they seemed like good questions to me. And often lead to very interesting discussions. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Wed Nov 21 11:35:16 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Wed Nov 21 11:36:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Hammer the copy mfgs? Message-ID: If you come down too hard on copier companies, they may not want your business. I have sued K/M in the past. They decided to close up shop here in Tucson shortly thereafter, not sure why. They are baack. They came into our shop all haughty and arrogant. Just like cheap used car salesmen. Wearing stinky perfume, too. I told them we sued them last time we did business with them. Remember the website I put up with the lemon picture on the machine? I haven't seen them since. I doubt they want to do business with me, even tho I told them I was in the market to buy NOW.... More bad mouthing by sales reps: Xerox came in and told me that K/M equipment was panned by Alphagraphics and Sir Speedy nationwide after extensive testing. Said too much color drifting during long runs...... More goofiness: Ikon recently changed their 'software' and is totally out of control on their invoicing. I would love to pay my bills, but they keep messing them up, adding sales tax and other strange things too much to talk about. Danka.....hah...they are not even in the game. They may be the smartest of the bunch steering clear if they can't service the equipment. We have Xerox and Ikon at the moment. unfortunately, most of the service people from both companies bad mouth their own employers. And, the Ikon sales dept. has NO product knowledge, thankfully this list does! They considered our CP650 to be a 'major installation'. Yikes! I would like to move up the ladder to an iGen or Nextpress 7000, but Tucson is not a small version of Phoenix, we are more like a large version of Yuma. I have to drive 2 hours to Phx. to get a demo on any production equipment. There are no iGens in Tucson....that I know of. I'm really glad there are smart, knowledgeable folks on this list who I can trust to demo equipment and give their honest opinion. Rant for the day. Happy TD, and .......................GO COWBOYS!! LT From jdaghir at gmail.com Wed Nov 21 11:48:28 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Wed Nov 21 11:48:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Tabber Advice Needed In-Reply-To: <160068.43192.qm@web38913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <160068.43192.qm@web38913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620711210848h5c270103o110e18c02b7fb4db@mail.gmail.com> Yes, we have had problems with adhesive build-up from the clear tabs on some occasions. It does seem to be a QC problem with the manufactures because we'll go a while without any problems and then we'll come across some rolls where we'll have to stop and clean the sensor every few thousand labels. I agree - white tabs are easier to run than clear with this machine. We were buying labels from Adco Industries in Texas but I got the feeling that mailing tabs was either not their main focus or that they were a reseller and somebody else actually manufactured them. And we occasionally had problems with their labels. I came across Whittier Mailing products at Graph Expo last fall and they had a nice selection of tabs and seemed to know their stuff so I've ordered our tabs from them the last few times. So far we haven't had any problems that I know of but we've probably only gone through a couple of rolls of their clear tabs. Whittier Mailing Products: http://www.traytag.com/ White abraided feed wheels? I didn't know they existed. Ours is an older model and it has gray rubber cogged wheels. It is a pain in the ass to get it to feed coated self-mailers. It tends to want to eat them rather than feed and tab them. I'll have to see if the white abraieded ones will fit our model and try them out. Thanks! -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Ted said: > Jeff - Do you have a brand of clear tabs that you recommend? > > BTW, if you decide on the Astro, insist on the white abraded feed wheels. The cog style wheels are positively inferior, especially when running coated stock. From John at mpcny.com Wed Nov 21 12:04:10 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Wed Nov 21 12:04:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Welcome Back Xeroid In-Reply-To: <20071121155810.85BC6C97DB6@rb.enter.net> References: <20071121155810.85BC6C97DB6@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <004301c82c60$891fbbe0$9b5f33a0$@com> "& as time goes by we realize that Xeroid's opinions that were "inconvenient" to "some" listmembers are still valid today as they were ago. We have missed a lot of insight be not having him participate in this list for such a long time. & I hope most list members agree with me."Nasr Hussain It was never his insight it was that he complained about his situation then would not try what others offered. Wayne welcome back, I hope you tell us how well you have done the past few years. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.2/1142 - Release Date: 11/20/2007 5:44 PM From mail at myprinter.biz Wed Nov 21 12:05:40 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Wed Nov 21 12:06:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Hammer the copy mfgs? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Xerox came in and told me that K/M equipment was panned by Alphagraphics and Sir Speedy nationwide after extensive testing. Said too much color drifting during long runs...... Larry Larry - Franchise Services (Sir Speedy and PIP) didn't "pan" KMs equipment at all: It was rather impressed with the KM C6500. Having said that, the person there I communicate with most on copier issues leans (but doesn't "list heavily") toward the Xerox boxes, due to "Consistency and cleaner connection between the rip and the box, and less service issues nationally" Parenthetically, I encourage sales reps to tell me the worst things they can about their competitors' equipment and service: The horror stories tell me what my true downside might be. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of larry Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:35 AM To: Printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Hammer the copy mfgs? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** If you come down too hard on copier companies, they may not want your business. I have sued K/M in the past. They decided to close up shop here in Tucson shortly thereafter, not sure why. They are baack. They came into our shop all haughty and arrogant. Just like cheap used car salesmen. Wearing stinky perfume, too. I told them we sued them last time we did business with them. Remember the website I put up with the lemon picture on the machine? I haven't seen them since. I doubt they want to do business with me, even tho I told them I was in the market to buy NOW.... More bad mouthing by sales reps: Xerox came in and told me that K/M equipment was panned by Alphagraphics and Sir Speedy nationwide after extensive testing. Said too much color drifting during long runs...... More goofiness: Ikon recently changed their 'software' and is totally out of control on their invoicing. I would love to pay my bills, but they keep messing them up, adding sales tax and other strange things too much to talk about. Danka.....hah...they are not even in the game. They may be the smartest of the bunch steering clear if they can't service the equipment. We have Xerox and Ikon at the moment. unfortunately, most of the service people from both companies bad mouth their own employers. And, the Ikon sales dept. has NO product knowledge, thankfully this list does! They considered our CP650 to be a 'major installation'. Yikes! I would like to move up the ladder to an iGen or Nextpress 7000, but Tucson is not a small version of Phoenix, we are more like a large version of Yuma. I have to drive 2 hours to Phx. to get a demo on any production equipment. There are no iGens in Tucson....that I know of. I'm really glad there are smart, knowledgeable folks on this list who I can trust to demo equipment and give their honest opinion. Rant for the day. Happy TD, and .......................GO COWBOYS!! LT _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed Nov 21 12:12:33 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed Nov 21 12:16:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon 7000/Kodak NEXPRESS M700 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200711211716.lALHFx5J055266@i2bnetworks.com> Everything that I have experienced with KM makes Ikon's statements completely false. I believe you made a very good decision. S. At 06:06 PM 11/20/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >On 11/20/07 3:47 PM, "Bob Gallagher" wrote: > > > One thing that stood out was their constant bashing of the KM 6500. Wasn't > > just one of their representatives, there were several. I hate negative > > selling and they probably convinced us to get the 6500. The more they > > complained about it, the closer we looked and became sold on it. Eight > > months later we are still sold on it. > > >I had IKON in at the beginning of the month trying to sell me their version >of the K/M6500, the C650. They were constantly telling me how K/M cannot >service the machines, they are not competent in the print for pay and that >they even took over service on some K/M machines. But.....they would not >tell me who it was. They even started bad mouthing Danka service (my current >provider). When I mentioned that IKON's lousy service 4 years ago was the >reason I switched to Danka, they started to stammer a bit then started to >tout how they have changed and fixed all the problems. > >Konica/monolta never bad mouthed anyone. Just discussed the advantages of >their machine and what it could do for my business. > >In the end I kicked IKON out again. Their attitude towards competitors and >the fact that their proposal would have cost me over $15,000 more over the >life of the contract compared to the K/M6500 sealed the deal. I would have >stuck with Danka if they had a comparable product to the Konica/minolta box. > >Mine gets delivered next week. > > >-- >David V. Monto > >Sir Speedy Printing >1837 South Road >Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 > >Phone:845-298-8898 >Fax: 845-298-8537 >email: dvmonto@optonline.net > >www.sirspeedy.com/wappingersfalls > >"Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals and dying >of nothing." > >?Redd Foxx > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2674 (20071121) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From digitalgraphics at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 21 12:17:13 2007 From: digitalgraphics at sbcglobal.net (Chris Barton) Date: Wed Nov 21 12:17:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Konica Minolta C6500 Update In-Reply-To: <20071121170004.0777AC981AF@rb.enter.net> References: <20071121170004.0777AC981AF@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <003201c82c62$5bf35530$6401a8c0@Chris> Just an update now that we have had our KM placed for a couple of months.......we have the basic model with the embedded rip and have been very happy with it....the service is great and other than a few problems initially....it's been very good to us the last 3 months.....average color clicks per month is about 50,000. So far so good. Chris Barton Digital Color Graphics, Inc. 3209 W. Warner Avenue Santa Ana, CA 92704 (714) 241-8443 www.digitalcolorgraphics.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.1/1141 - Release Date: 11/20/2007 11:34 AM From digitalgraphics at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 21 12:24:41 2007 From: digitalgraphics at sbcglobal.net (Chris Barton) Date: Wed Nov 21 12:24:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Variable Data on KM C6500 In-Reply-To: <20071121170004.0777AC981AF@rb.enter.net> References: <20071121170004.0777AC981AF@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <003301c82c63$67529930$6401a8c0@Chris> So now that we are starting to feel a little more comfortable on this machine....can anyone recommend software (hopefully inexpensive) that we can use to allow us to take a database and run variable data? This is something that one of our larger customers have expressed interest in and we really have no idea where to start.....ANY info, tips or tricks for doing this on copiers would be greatly appreciated! Chris Barton Digital Color Graphics, Inc. 3209 W. Warner Avenue Santa Ana, CA 92704 (714) 241-8443 www.digitalcolorgraphics.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.2/1143 - Release Date: 11/21/2007 10:01 AM From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed Nov 21 12:22:59 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed Nov 21 12:26:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Welcome Back Xeroid In-Reply-To: <001801c82c56$4d527bc0$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> References: <20071121.064321.22840.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> <001801c82c56$4d527bc0$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> Message-ID: <200711211726.lALHQPSr057607@i2bnetworks.com> What do you think dude? As I recall you were quite a disruptive force last time you showed up Mr. Stevenhaagen. Many here on this list today were not subscribed last time you dropped in to stir the pot. Hopefully history will not repeat itself. S. At 07:48 AM 11/21/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I have been on the list for a long time ..... I just tend to keep >quiet. Is there a problem me being here? > >Wayne Stevenhaagen & Associates >Kingston Ontario >----- Original Message ----- From: >To: >Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 6:43 AM >Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Welcome Back Xeroid \ _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Wed Nov 21 13:17:34 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Wed Nov 21 13:19:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Variable Data on KM C6500 In-Reply-To: <003301c82c63$67529930$6401a8c0@Chris> References: <20071121170004.0777AC981AF@rb.enter.net> <003301c82c63$67529930$6401a8c0@Chris> Message-ID: Depending on the complexity, you can do quite nicely with Indesign. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Chris Barton Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:25 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Variable Data on KM C6500 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** So now that we are starting to feel a little more comfortable on this machine....can anyone recommend software (hopefully inexpensive) that we can use to allow us to take a database and run variable data? This is something that one of our larger customers have expressed interest in and we really have no idea where to start.....ANY info, tips or tricks for doing this on copiers would be greatly appreciated! Chris Barton Digital Color Graphics, Inc. 3209 W. Warner Avenue Santa Ana, CA 92704 (714) 241-8443 www.digitalcolorgraphics.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.2/1143 - Release Date: 11/21/2007 10:01 AM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From tammie at macombprinter.com Wed Nov 21 13:15:52 2007 From: tammie at macombprinter.com (Tammie at Quickprinters) Date: Wed Nov 21 13:21:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Variable Data on KM C6500 In-Reply-To: <003301c82c63$67529930$6401a8c0@Chris> Message-ID: Good program to start with: Fusion Pro http://www.printable.com/vdp/desktop.htm $599 I don't see it, but we were able to download a trial version for 30 days. Any file that you can open in Acrobat will work. The manual is very not that great, but once you start using it, it is very user friendly. Call if you have any questions. Tammie Tammie Speer ---------------------------------- Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS __________________________________ 1120 East Jackson Street Macomb, IL 61455 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > So now that we are starting to feel a little more comfortable on this > machine....can anyone recommend software (hopefully inexpensive) that we can > use to allow us to take a database and run variable data? This is something > that one of our larger customers have expressed interest in and we really > have no idea where to start.....ANY info, tips or tricks for doing this on > copiers would be greatly appreciated! > > Chris Barton > > > > Digital Color Graphics, Inc. > 3209 W. Warner Avenue > Santa Ana, CA 92704 > > (714) 241-8443 > > www.digitalcolorgraphics.com From slb at inkspot.net Wed Nov 21 15:03:09 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Nov 21 15:04:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Variable Data on KM C6500 In-Reply-To: <003301c82c63$67529930$6401a8c0@Chris> References: <20071121170004.0777AC981AF@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <474448AD.374.4919B48E@slb.inkspot.net> We use Fusion Pro with our C500/Creo setup. It used to sell for a lot more than its current $400 or so, and it's got a lot more capability than we've used so far. The downside seems to be that the more expensive software composes on the fly, while Fusion Pro must compose the document before sending to the rip (although it's capable of making a VPS file, so the fixed data is in a separate file and is sent only once). Feel free to call if you want details. Steve > > > So now that we are starting to feel a little more comfortable on this > machine....can anyone recommend software (hopefully inexpensive) that we can > use to allow us to take a database and run variable data? This is something > that one of our larger customers have expressed interest in and we really > have no idea where to start.....ANY info, tips or tricks for doing this on > copiers would be greatly appreciated! > > Chris Barton > > > > Digital Color Graphics, Inc. > 3209 W. Warner Avenue > Santa Ana, CA 92704 > > (714) 241-8443 > > www.digitalcolorgraphics.com > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.2/1143 - Release Date: 11/21/2007 > 10:01 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2676 (20071121) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From npiprinting at verizon.net Wed Nov 21 16:41:30 2007 From: npiprinting at verizon.net (Steve Fairchild) Date: Wed Nov 21 16:41:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Chemical Disposal with DTP system Message-ID: <4744A60A.2000506@verizon.net> We have been using Safety Kleen to dispose of our chemistry changes for several years now. Is there a cheaper alternative to remain green with this type of system. It costs $350. per 55 gal. drum including shipping, fuel surcharge etc. -- Thanks, Charles S. Fairchild, President Nicholas Printing, Inc. 1109 Broad Street Summersville, WV 26651 1-304-872-5906 - Phone 1-304-872-5923 - Fax npiprinting@verizon.net www.nicholasprinting.com From bob at bergey.net Wed Nov 21 17:30:06 2007 From: bob at bergey.net (Bob Bergey) Date: Wed Nov 21 17:30:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Welcome Back Xeroid In-Reply-To: <200711211726.lALHQPSr057607@i2bnetworks.com> References: <20071121.064321.22840.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> <001801c82c56$4d527bc0$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> <200711211726.lALHQPSr057607@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: Wayne has been back on the list for a long time already (I don't have the dates handy at the moment, but it's been years, not days or months); he agreed to abide by the list rules, and he has so far, so I'd like to see an end to this thread. There is no problem as far as I'm concerned. Bob -- ====================================================================== Bob Bergey -- 215-527-1048 -- Perkasie, PA Internet Services for the Printing Industry Web Hosting & E-Mail Services: BERGEY.NET ====================================================================== From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed Nov 21 19:52:54 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed Nov 21 19:56:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Variable Data on KM C6500 In-Reply-To: <003301c82c63$67529930$6401a8c0@Chris> References: <20071121170004.0777AC981AF@rb.enter.net> <003301c82c63$67529930$6401a8c0@Chris> Message-ID: <200711220056.lAM0uLg7045477@i2bnetworks.com> What I have learned so far is that VDP can be simple, or it can get blue ocean deep...depending on what you want to do. I looked at Darwin, XMPie, Pageflex, and Fusion Pro. InDesign is not enough if you want to get serious. The first three were very expensive and were not as flexible with PDF as was Fusion Pro, which was also about 80% less/seat. I bought two seats of Fusion Pro and am about halfway thorough the first manual (there are three). The price is right $599/seat and it seems to be everything we will need for the near future. Version 5.x of Fusion Pro is worth the upgrade from 4.x. We plan on starting to do VDP projects by first quarter 2008 (test projects at first) before we head into the marketplace with serious offerings. Read everything you can about VDP to get your head around it. I would say I'm more cautious then most because of the potential damage one could do to a good relationship if a VDP project is mishandled. Measure thrice, cut once with VDP If you have the CREO IC-304, I believe you will have little to no bottlenecks in your VDP workflow. Happy Thanksgiving. S. At 09:24 AM 11/21/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >So now that we are starting to feel a little more comfortable on this >machine....can anyone recommend software (hopefully inexpensive) that we can >use to allow us to take a database and run variable data? This is something >that one of our larger customers have expressed interest in and we really >have no idea where to start.....ANY info, tips or tricks for doing this on >copiers would be greatly appreciated! > >Chris Barton > > > >Digital Color Graphics, Inc. >3209 W. Warner Avenue >Santa Ana, CA 92704 > >(714) 241-8443 > >www.digitalcolorgraphics.com > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.2/1143 - Release Date: 11/21/2007 >10:01 AM > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2675 (20071121) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From kevin at abfprints.com Wed Nov 21 20:20:42 2007 From: kevin at abfprints.com (Kevin Danko) Date: Wed Nov 21 20:31:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Variable Data on KM C6500 In-Reply-To: <200711220056.lAM0uLg7045477@i2bnetworks.com> References: <20071121170004.0777AC981AF@rb.enter.net><003301c82c63$67529930$6401a8c0@Chris> <200711220056.lAM0uLg7045477@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <000b01c82ca5$e889f380$1700a8c0@abf.local> Thanks for the info Scott. I always appreciate the wisdom that comes from this list. We will have our KM 6500 and KM 1050 next week. Our Kirk-Rudy should be here in two weeks and our Norpack inserter arrived this Monday. We purchased Accuzip last week and will be purchasing Fusion Pro next week. We are very excited to bring a complete mail-shop in-house. We should be completely operational by mid to late December. Kevin Danko Advantage Business Forms 102 N. Riverside Ave. Rialto, CA 92376 Phone: (909) 875-7163 Fax: (909) 875-7971 www.abfprints.com E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 4:53 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Variable Data on KM C6500 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** What I have learned so far is that VDP can be simple, or it can get blue ocean deep...depending on what you want to do. I looked at Darwin, XMPie, Pageflex, and Fusion Pro. InDesign is not enough if you want to get serious. The first three were very expensive and were not as flexible with PDF as was Fusion Pro, which was also about 80% less/seat. I bought two seats of Fusion Pro and am about halfway thorough the first manual (there are three). The price is right $599/seat and it seems to be everything we will need for the near future. Version 5.x of Fusion Pro is worth the upgrade from 4.x. We plan on starting to do VDP projects by first quarter 2008 (test projects at first) before we head into the marketplace with serious offerings. Read everything you can about VDP to get your head around it. I would say I'm more cautious then most because of the potential damage one could do to a good relationship if a VDP project is mishandled. Measure thrice, cut once with VDP If you have the CREO IC-304, I believe you will have little to no bottlenecks in your VDP workflow. Happy Thanksgiving. S. At 09:24 AM 11/21/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >So now that we are starting to feel a little more comfortable on this >machine....can anyone recommend software (hopefully inexpensive) that we can >use to allow us to take a database and run variable data? This is something >that one of our larger customers have expressed interest in and we really >have no idea where to start.....ANY info, tips or tricks for doing this on >copiers would be greatly appreciated! > >Chris Barton > > > >Digital Color Graphics, Inc. >3209 W. Warner Avenue >Santa Ana, CA 92704 > >(714) 241-8443 > >www.digitalcolorgraphics.com > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.2/1143 - Release Date: 11/21/2007 >10:01 AM > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2675 (20071121) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From das at superiorimpressions.com Thu Nov 22 20:54:55 2007 From: das at superiorimpressions.com (Doug Shelton) Date: Thu Nov 22 20:55:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] PrintOwners 10th Anniversary Today Message-ID: <20071122175450.466DEF67@dm07.mta.everyone.net> Thanks, Bob, for your continued hosting of this invaluable forum. The original message that got PrintOwners off the ground ten years ago follows... Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio ---------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 21:38:15 -0500 From: Bob Bergey To: Multiple recipients of printshare Subject: New Mailings Lists For Printers We are pleased to announce the opening today of two new mailing lists for printers: the PrintOwners mailing list, and a new PrintShare mailing list. P r i n t O w n e r s . . . The PrintOwners mailing list is targeted specifically for owners of printing businesses, to discuss issues of particular interest to owners. It is an unmoderated list, however subscribers will be expected to introduce themselves and their businesses to the list within a week of joining. P r i n t S h a r e . . . Many thanks to George Croft for his foresight in founding the original mailing list for printers known as PrintShare. George will continue to be an active participant in the new PrintShare mailing list. PrintShare's goals are broad: to provide an unmoderated forum in which anyone in the printing industry may discuss any issue related to the printing industry. B o t h L i s t s . . . Both PrintOwners and PrintShare mailing lists will be unmoderated and unsponsored, and it's our hope and intention to keep them that way. All of us involved in getting these lists underway recognize the value in sharing among our peers via free mailing lists, and we want to do our part to ensure that continues. Both lists also share significant software and hardware advances; that benefits subscribers in that messages will arrive in a timely fashion, and will be easily identified as to author and list. H o w t o S u b s c r i b e . . . PRINTOWNERS -- Subscribing is easy; precisely follow these instructions to subscribe to the PrintOwners mailing list: 1) Address an e-mail message to: subscription@rb.enter.net 2) In the BODY of the message, type: subscribe printowners Firstname Lastname Of course, substitute your real name for Firstname Lastname. You may leave the subject/topic field blank. PRINTSHARE -- To subscribe to the new PrintShare mailing list: 1) Address an e-mail message to: subscription@rb.enter.net 2) In the BODY of the message, type: subscribe printshare Firstname Lastname Again, substitute your real name for Firstname Lastname. You may leave the subject/topic field blank. When you have successfully subscribed, within a short time you will receive a welcome message with instructions on posting messages, along with the list address. Only subscribers may post to the lists. **IMPORTANT**: IF YOU ARE CURRENTLY A SUBSCRIBER to the original PrintShare mailing list, you are already subscribed to the new PrintShare mailing list. If you wish to unsubscribe, send a message "unsubscribe printowners" (without the quotes) to subscription@rb.enter.net. If you need help, e-mail rb@dprint.com. These instructions are also available via an e-mail auto-responder message; send any message (even a blank one) to printlists@rb.enter.net and you'll receive instructions in a very short time. If you have any problems subscribing, e-mail the list manager, Bob Bergey, at rb@dprint.com. Signed, Bob Bergey George Croft Doug Shelton Larry Nebel Hal Wendt Shirley Hattayer -------- You received this message because you are subscribed to the PrintShare list. To unsubscribe, send a message "unsubscribe printshare" (without the quotes) to subscription@rb.enter.net. For other help, e-mail rb@dprint.com. From cpc at clearnet.net Fri Nov 23 11:59:07 2007 From: cpc at clearnet.net (Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc.) Date: Fri Nov 23 11:59:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] PrintOwners 10th Anniversary Today In-Reply-To: <20071122175450.466DEF67@dm07.mta.everyone.net> References: <20071122175450.466DEF67@dm07.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <474706DB.7080509@clearnet.net> Happy Birthday PrintOwners! It is hard to believe that it has been 10 years since the birth of PrintOwners and PrintShare. I oringinally read this message around six o'clock this moring but it has stuck in my head all day. I have been trying to remember all the host of characters that have participated over the years. Then I started thinking about where our business was in 1997 and how much this list has helped us survive and get stonger over the years. Thank you to all that have participated and shared your wisdom and advice these last ten years. And a special thanks to Bob, George, Doug, Larry, Hal and Shirley for having the foresight to create the lists. Hope to see ya all still here in 2017! Randy Hurley Commercial Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 17 South Third Street P.O. Box 23 Clearfield, PA 16830 814-765-4731 Fax: 814-765-1380 cpc@clearnet.net Doug Shelton wrote: > Thanks, Bob, for your continued hosting of this invaluable > forum. The original message that got PrintOwners off the > ground ten years ago follows... > > Doug Shelton > Superior Impressions, Inc. > Toledo, Ohio > > ---------------------------------------- > > Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 21:38:15 -0500 > From: Bob Bergey > To: Multiple recipients of printshare > Subject: New Mailings Lists For Printers > > > We are pleased to announce the opening today of two new mailing lists for > printers: the PrintOwners mailing list, and a new PrintShare mailing list. > Signed, > > Bob Bergey > George Croft > Doug Shelton > Larry Nebel > Hal Wendt > Shirley Hattayer From rsmith at smithprintinginc.com Mon Nov 26 12:47:39 2007 From: rsmith at smithprintinginc.com (Randy Smith) Date: Mon Nov 26 12:39:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Keeping up with time spent on graphic artwork Message-ID: <001801c83054$721e65c0$468c10ac@SMITHPRINT.local> What systems or tools do you use that help your graphic art department keep up with their time spent on jobs? Randy Smith Smith Printing, Inc 8274 Farley Ave, Leeds, AL 35094 Office: 205.699.2285 Fax: 205.699.8660 From peter at keystonepress.com Mon Nov 26 12:52:39 2007 From: peter at keystonepress.com (Peter Church) Date: Mon Nov 26 12:54:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Keeping up with time spent on graphic artwork In-Reply-To: <001801c83054$721e65c0$468c10ac@SMITHPRINT.local> Message-ID: <009201c83055$240cc830$7d01a8c0@key.local> I just installed Tracker, a part of Printsmith, and I am doing a phased installation starting in prepress, since they are the most computer literate. All three prepress people have Printsmith installed on their mac's so they can easily keep track of when they start and stop the prepress portions of each job. Is anyone else using tracker for this? I would like some input on how well it is going. Thanks, Peter Church Keystone Press, LLC 9 Old Falls Road Manchester, NH 03103 phone: 603-622-5222 fax: 603-622-9432 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Randy Smith Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 12:48 PM To: 'PrintOwners' Subject: [PrintOwners] Keeping up with time spent on graphic artwork ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** What systems or tools do you use that help your graphic art department keep up with their time spent on jobs? Randy Smith Smith Printing, Inc 8274 Farley Ave, Leeds, AL 35094 Office: 205.699.2285 Fax: 205.699.8660 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From char at themasterspress.com Mon Nov 26 13:11:28 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Mon Nov 26 13:12:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need Rush job for large press Message-ID: <00d701c83057$d7a79030$0b01a8c0@CharXP> I have a customer that is at a conference in Orange County and needing a 28 page 4/4 book done for ultimately 30M. They need some, for the conference they are at this week with another event being on Saturday the 1st. This is something you would do directly for them - without me involved. Please contact me offline so as not to tie up lists. Thank you ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com From andy at CedarBusinessCenter.com Mon Nov 26 16:13:38 2007 From: andy at CedarBusinessCenter.com (Andy Flamm) Date: Mon Nov 26 16:13:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Variable Data on KM C6500 In-Reply-To: <003301c82c63$67529930$6401a8c0@Chris> References: <20071121170004.0777AC981AF@rb.enter.net> <003301c82c63$67529930$6401a8c0@Chris> Message-ID: We actually use Publisher quite often for simple VDP jobs. It's easy to use and you probably already have it. We should probably try using InDesign for this, but haven't bothered. We usually save the static design using Fiery FreeForm so only the variable data needs to be sent for each print. Andy Flamm On Nov 21, 2007 11:24 AM, Chris Barton wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > So now that we are starting to feel a little more comfortable on this > machine....can anyone recommend software (hopefully inexpensive) that we > can > use to allow us to take a database and run variable data? This is > something > that one of our larger customers have expressed interest in and we really > have no idea where to start.....ANY info, tips or tricks for doing this on > copiers would be greatly appreciated! > > Chris Barton > > > > Digital Color Graphics, Inc. > 3209 W. Warner Avenue > Santa Ana, CA 92704 > > (714) 241-8443 > > www.digitalcolorgraphics.com > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.2/1143 - Release Date: > 11/21/2007 > 10:01 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Cedar Business Center--Printing, Mailing & More Since 1983 345 Cedar Street, Suite 256 Saint Paul, Minnesota 55101 651-293-3904 voice 651-293-3905 fax andy@CedarBusinessCenter.com www.CedarBusinessCenter.com From jgross at techiowa.com Mon Nov 26 17:44:36 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Mon Nov 26 17:44:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Konica Minolta C6500 Update In-Reply-To: <003201c82c62$5bf35530$6401a8c0@Chris> Message-ID: <000701c8307d$ec0142d0$1e00000a@tech.local> For those with KM 6500, what throughput rate do you get when running cover or oversize stock? I would assume a net on offset would be about 600/minute but does it slow down for cover? Thanks John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Chris Barton Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:17 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Konica Minolta C6500 Update ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Just an update now that we have had our KM placed for a couple of months.......we have the basic model with the embedded rip and have been very happy with it....the service is great and other than a few problems initially....it's been very good to us the last 3 months.....average color clicks per month is about 50,000. So far so good. Chris Barton Digital Color Graphics, Inc. 3209 W. Warner Avenue Santa Ana, CA 92704 (714) 241-8443 www.digitalcolorgraphics.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.1/1141 - Release Date: 11/20/2007 11:34 AM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jdowning at libertygrouponline.com Tue Nov 27 11:04:20 2007 From: jdowning at libertygrouponline.com (Joy Downing) Date: Tue Nov 27 11:08:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] website Message-ID: <0ad101c8310f$2c045110$1401a8c0@JOY2> I am updating our website and was wondering if anyone has any recommendations. We are looking for a website that is "user friendly", but also allows customers to place orders and view their files. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Thank you very much. Joy Downing The Liberty Group jdowning@libertygrouponline.com From jgross at techiowa.com Tue Nov 27 11:17:13 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Tue Nov 27 11:17:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] website In-Reply-To: <0ad101c8310f$2c045110$1401a8c0@JOY2> Message-ID: <000201c83110$f8d14080$1e00000a@tech.local> Printers Presence is an option that we use and like. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Joy Downing Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:04 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] website ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I am updating our website and was wondering if anyone has any recommendations. We are looking for a website that is "user friendly", but also allows customers to place orders and view their files. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Thank you very much. Joy Downing The Liberty Group jdowning@libertygrouponline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bob at gallagherprint.com Tue Nov 27 11:18:00 2007 From: bob at gallagherprint.com (Bob Gallagher) Date: Tue Nov 27 11:19:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] website In-Reply-To: <0ad101c8310f$2c045110$1401a8c0@JOY2> Message-ID: On 11/27/07 11:04 AM, "Joy Downing" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am updating our website and was wondering if anyone has any > recommendations. We are looking for a website that is "user friendly", but > also allows customers to place orders and view their files. We use websites for printers and love it. Bob Gallagher Gallagher Printing, Inc. 601 W. Main Street Palmyra, PA 17078 717-838-1527 1-888-838-1527 Fax 717-838-5715 http://www.gallagherprint.com An Adobe Service Provider A Microsoft Publisher Provider Member, Adobe Solutions Network From oren66 at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 27 12:06:50 2007 From: oren66 at sbcglobal.net (Arie Teomi) Date: Tue Nov 27 12:07:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Advertising specialty Discount Codes Message-ID: <832708.85220.qm@web83412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> What are the different discount codes G, R etc. for advertising specialty products? Thanks Arie Arie Teomi LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.LastingImpressionDirect.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner From printer at ptialaska.net Tue Nov 27 12:21:57 2007 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Tue Nov 27 12:22:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 2 things Message-ID: <834247FD-9C09-4424-ABF3-636DA68F216E@ptialaska.net> 1. Does anyone use the perf / score attachment on a QM-46? If so how do you like it? 2. Does anyone still use POWERTONE for making duotones? Thanks, _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From printer at ptialaska.net Tue Nov 27 12:27:10 2007 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Tue Nov 27 12:27:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Special Paper Message-ID: <37DF93F2-92EB-417C-8C1F-3219B5079FA9@ptialaska.net> Where would I find 8 1/2 x 11 inch cardstock that has a glued end for creating a mailer that they seal to mail back? _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From tufelkinder at gmail.com Tue Nov 27 12:28:31 2007 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Tue Nov 27 12:29:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 2 things In-Reply-To: <834247FD-9C09-4424-ABF3-636DA68F216E@ptialaska.net> References: <834247FD-9C09-4424-ABF3-636DA68F216E@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: <84f70d5e0711270928q6452a314m653baf97fa15ac73@mail.gmail.com> Charles, We still have Powertone but haven't used it in ages. I personally kind of ended up using the Channel Mixer to get a duotone mix that I wanted... More customizable and easier to fine-tune your results. Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA 800-955-3902 http://mercersburg.net tufelkinder@gmail.com -~ Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so. -- Bertrand Russell From melissa at kwiksolutions.com Tue Nov 27 12:29:53 2007 From: melissa at kwiksolutions.com (Melissa Uber) Date: Tue Nov 27 12:31:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Advertising specialty Discount Codes In-Reply-To: <832708.85220.qm@web83412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004601c8311b$1f5b1500$3e00000a@Melissa> A or P = 50% B or Q = 45% C or R = 40% D or S = 35% E or T = 30% F or U = 25% G or V = 20% H or W = 15% Melissa Uber Kwik Solutions 20 West Third St Jamestown, NY 14701 716-483-3227 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Arie Teomi Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 12:07 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Advertising specialty Discount Codes ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** What are the different discount codes G, R etc. for advertising specialty products? Thanks Arie Arie Teomi LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.LastingImpressionDirect.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jeff at hprinting.biz Tue Nov 27 12:31:08 2007 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Tue Nov 27 12:31:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 2 things In-Reply-To: <834247FD-9C09-4424-ABF3-636DA68F216E@ptialaska.net> References: <834247FD-9C09-4424-ABF3-636DA68F216E@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: <20071127173057.29147.20433@hm-pop1.solinus.com> At 12:21 PM 11/27/2007, you wrote: >2. Does anyone still use POWERTONE for making duotones? We still use it for a couple of quarterly newsletters. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From jdaghir at gmail.com Tue Nov 27 12:34:52 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Tue Nov 27 12:35:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Advertising specialty Discount Codes In-Reply-To: <832708.85220.qm@web83412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <832708.85220.qm@web83412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620711270934q3acb99f7q9bcfa3782ac9d1c4@mail.gmail.com> P or A = 50% discount off of catalog price Q or B = 45% R or C = 40% S = 35% T = 30% U = 25% V = 20% W = 15% X = 10% Y = 5% Z = 0% Example: Catalog Price of $100 on an R (40%) $100 x (1-.4) = $60 wholesale cost -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com On 11/27/07, Arie Teomi wrote: > What are the different discount codes G, R etc. for advertising specialty products? From richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com Tue Nov 27 12:40:03 2007 From: richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com (Richard Moffat) Date: Tue Nov 27 12:40:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Advertising specialty Discount Codes In-Reply-To: <832708.85220.qm@web83412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <832708.85220.qm@web83412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: A-P = 50% E-T = 30% B-Q = 45% F-U = 25% C-R = 40% G-V = 20% D-S = 35% H-W = 15% Richard Moffat Sir Speedy 244 S.W. 6th Street Miami, Florida 33130 (305) 285-1401 Tel (305) 285-1402 Fax richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com www.sirspeedy-brickell.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Arie Teomi Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 12:07 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Advertising specialty Discount Codes ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** What are the different discount codes G, R etc. for advertising specialty products? Thanks Arie Arie Teomi LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.LastingImpressionDirect.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From eric at prioritypress.com Tue Nov 27 12:53:00 2007 From: eric at prioritypress.com (Eric Mance) Date: Tue Nov 27 12:54:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for source Message-ID: <6fb24a5f.1c8311e.61f7a0c.1ccf@prioritypress.com> Hi, Does anyone have a source for oil delivery service envelopes? Thanks, Eric Mance Priority Press 132 Shaker Rd East Longmeadow, MA 01028 413-525-6111 413-525-2681 fax www.prioritypress.com From robin at protypeonline.com Tue Nov 27 13:04:00 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Tue Nov 27 13:02:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Viewing online Videos Message-ID: <9F5111A2-584D-4F48-A432-DABCFD0A6EF9@protypeonline.com> Is there a way that I can view Windows Media videos on my mac? Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From swiftyprinting at mac.com Tue Nov 27 13:05:34 2007 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Tue Nov 27 13:06:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Viewing online Videos In-Reply-To: <9F5111A2-584D-4F48-A432-DABCFD0A6EF9@protypeonline.com> References: <9F5111A2-584D-4F48-A432-DABCFD0A6EF9@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: On Nov 27, 2007, at 1:04 PM, Robin Niewold wrote: > Is there a way that I can view Windows Media videos on my mac? The best solution is Flip4Mac. It is free. it works as a plugin on your browser. There is nothing you need to do but watch. http://www.flip4mac.com/ Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Tue Nov 27 13:04:01 2007 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Tue Nov 27 13:07:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Special Paper In-Reply-To: <37DF93F2-92EB-417C-8C1F-3219B5079FA9@ptialaska.net> References: <37DF93F2-92EB-417C-8C1F-3219B5079FA9@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: <474C5C11.3070709@satx.rr.com> Send it to a bindery and have remoist adhesive applied after printing. The bindery across the alley from me does it for reasonable fees. I'm sure you can find someone close to you that does it. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Charles A. Lincoln wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Where would I find 8 1/2 x 11 inch cardstock that has a glued end for > creating a mailer that they seal to mail back? > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > Charles Lincoln > ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY > 612 30th Avenue > Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 > (907) 451-1111 > fax (907) 451-4511 > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From printian at gmail.com Tue Nov 27 13:50:22 2007 From: printian at gmail.com (Ian Franks) Date: Tue Nov 27 13:50:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 2 things In-Reply-To: <834247FD-9C09-4424-ABF3-636DA68F216E@ptialaska.net> References: <834247FD-9C09-4424-ABF3-636DA68F216E@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: Charles We use the numbering and perfing on our QM 46. It is great we have a standing order for 60 quad books eper month and this has cut production time from 8 working days to 4 working days. The collating still takes 1 day. On 27/11/2007, Charles A. Lincoln wrote: > > 1. Does anyone use the perf / score attachment on a QM-46? If so how > do you like it? > > -- Regards Ian Franks Print Image 3 Corlett Drive, Illovo, JHB Ph 011 447 3133 Fax 011 447 0642 sales@printimage.co.za www.printimage.co.za From sos at olympus.net Tue Nov 27 14:05:45 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Nov 27 14:06:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 2 things References: <834247FD-9C09-4424-ABF3-636DA68F216E@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: <00aa01c83128$83839270$0300a8c0@DANIEL> > 2. Does anyone still use POWERTONE for making duotones? > ================== I used it just last week. We don't use it very much anymore since getting the 4 color press, we really encourage people to just print in full color. But yes, now and then. Depending on the colors you are using, and the original photo, it can be not that great to amazing. It can come in handy for converting RGB clip art to spot colors. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From gerrye at porathprintsource.com Tue Nov 27 14:26:35 2007 From: gerrye at porathprintsource.com (Gerry Engelhart) Date: Tue Nov 27 14:27:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for gift boxes Message-ID: <00a101c8312b$6df8b630$7000000a@Engelhart> A customer is looking for white gift boxes 3 wide x 3 deep x 3.5/8 tall they are white and look like they are made out of a 15 point white coated stock They come folded flat and you "pop it up" into the full opened box. I need 200 or so, whatever is standard Anyone have any sources Gerry Engelhart Porath PrintSource P. 216-626-0060 F. 216-626-0061 From jdowning at libertygrouponline.com Tue Nov 27 14:44:14 2007 From: jdowning at libertygrouponline.com (Joy Downing) Date: Tue Nov 27 14:48:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for gift boxes References: <00a101c8312b$6df8b630$7000000a@Engelhart> Message-ID: <0bd401c8312d$e4302930$1401a8c0@JOY2> You might try Gift Box Corporation, I used them as a vendor when I had Hallmark Stores. Joy Downing The Liberty Group ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry Engelhart" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for gift boxes > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > A customer is looking for white gift boxes > > 3 wide x 3 deep x 3.5/8 tall > > they are white and look like they are made out of a 15 point white coated > stock > They come folded flat and you "pop it up" into the full opened box. > > I need 200 or so, whatever is standard > > Anyone have any sources > > Gerry Engelhart > Porath PrintSource > P. 216-626-0060 > F. 216-626-0061 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From greg at ajprinting.com Tue Nov 27 15:07:54 2007 From: greg at ajprinting.com (Greg Johnston) Date: Tue Nov 27 15:08:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for gift boxes In-Reply-To: <00a101c8312b$6df8b630$7000000a@Engelhart> References: <00a101c8312b$6df8b630$7000000a@Engelhart> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071127120705.0351e008@ajprinting.com> How about www.papermart.com ??? They might have what you're looking for. At 11:26 AM 11/27/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >A customer is looking for white gift boxes > >3 wide x 3 deep x 3.5/8 tall > >they are white and look like they are made out of a 15 point white >coated stock >They come folded flat and you "pop it up" into the full opened box. > >I need 200 or so, whatever is standard > >Anyone have any sources > >Gerry Engelhart >Porath PrintSource >P. 216-626-0060 >F. 216-626-0061 >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners Greg Johnston AJ Printing & Graphics 1350 Central Ave #1 Santa Rosa CA 95401 707.525.8600 Fax 707.525.8923 www.ajprinting.com e-mail: greg@ajprinting.com Ask me about how I can help you build your business with our direct mailing services for your marketing needs Authorized Adobe Service Provider Quark Authorized Output Provider From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Tue Nov 27 15:26:39 2007 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Tue Nov 27 15:27:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for gift boxes In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20071127120705.0351e008@ajprinting.com> References: <00a101c8312b$6df8b630$7000000a@Engelhart> <7.0.1.0.2.20071127120705.0351e008@ajprinting.com> Message-ID: <474C7D7F.3090902@sugarloafprint.com> http://www.nashvillewraps.com/ -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From cahill at bizprint.com Tue Nov 27 15:29:20 2007 From: cahill at bizprint.com (Cahill@bizprint.com) Date: Tue Nov 27 15:29:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for gift boxes In-Reply-To: <0bd401c8312d$e4302930$1401a8c0@JOY2> Message-ID: We have used US box. Usbox.com -- Cahill Jones BizPrint Boise, Idaho > From: Joy Downing > Organization: The Liberty Group > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:44:14 -0600 > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Looking for gift boxes > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > You might try Gift Box Corporation, I used them as a vendor when I had > Hallmark Stores. > Joy Downing > The Liberty Group > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gerry Engelhart" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 1:26 PM > Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for gift boxes > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> A customer is looking for white gift boxes >> >> 3 wide x 3 deep x 3.5/8 tall >> >> they are white and look like they are made out of a 15 point white coated >> stock >> They come folded flat and you "pop it up" into the full opened box. >> >> I need 200 or so, whatever is standard >> >> Anyone have any sources >> >> Gerry Engelhart >> Porath PrintSource >> P. 216-626-0060 >> F. 216-626-0061 >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From kellycrom at gmail.com Tue Nov 27 15:41:31 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Tue Nov 27 15:41:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for gift boxes In-Reply-To: <00a101c8312b$6df8b630$7000000a@Engelhart> References: <00a101c8312b$6df8b630$7000000a@Engelhart> Message-ID: <05b701c83135$e54ff770$6d01a8c0@KELLY> ULINE has white folding gift boxes that are 3x3x3 (www.uline.com) Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Gerry Engelhart > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 1:27 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for gift boxes > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > A customer is looking for white gift boxes > > 3 wide x 3 deep x 3.5/8 tall > > they are white and look like they are made out of a 15 point > white coated > stock > They come folded flat and you "pop it up" into the full opened box. > > I need 200 or so, whatever is standard > > Anyone have any sources > > Gerry Engelhart > Porath PrintSource > P. 216-626-0060 > F. 216-626-0061 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Tue Nov 27 14:29:00 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Tue Nov 27 15:44:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for gift boxes Message-ID: Try _www.uline.com_ (http://www.uline.com) Tommy Melendez Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From acepm2 at gmail.com Tue Nov 27 16:49:33 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Tue Nov 27 16:49:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] website In-Reply-To: <0ad101c8310f$2c045110$1401a8c0@JOY2> References: <0ad101c8310f$2c045110$1401a8c0@JOY2> Message-ID: Try www.WebSitesForPrinters.com They are the BEST at what they do. If you would like to call me, please do so at 410-641-3636. Thanks! Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Nov 27, 2007 11:04 AM, Joy Downing wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am updating our website and was wondering if anyone has any > recommendations. We are looking for a website that is "user friendly", > but > also allows customers to place orders and view their files. Any > recommendations would be appreciated. > Thank you very much. > Joy Downing > The Liberty Group > jdowning@libertygrouponline.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From robin at protypeonline.com Tue Nov 27 19:37:34 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Tue Nov 27 19:36:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 2 things Message-ID: <28326EF6-33E6-47AF-8D2D-CFB2B12A9E07@protypeonline.com> Charles, Ian and others, I am coming into this discussion late -- what?! perf/score attachment for the QM46-2? JUST today we had a job that we could easily print and score, but the bottom 1/3 of the mailing had a horiztonal perf on the fold which we could do, but then another vertical perf which we could not do and the overall size was too big for our 10 x 15 windmill. ????? Wondering about this perf/score situation on the QM46-2 since we have one of those. :) robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From ron at printingconcepts.com Tue Nov 27 20:47:22 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Tue Nov 27 20:41:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] SHORT RUN PRES FOLDERS Message-ID: I recall a company out there that sells a die cut kit for digital presentation folders, I think they come pre-taped or something. Questions: 1. Anybody use this stuff and is it worth the hassle? 2. What is the company? TIA Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From david.doost at gmail.com Tue Nov 27 21:08:28 2007 From: david.doost at gmail.com (David Doost) Date: Tue Nov 27 21:08:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] SHORT RUN PRES FOLDERS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <474ccd97.1287460a.4c2f.29be@mx.google.com> I think you are referring to fellow list member Mr. Cordes company: http://digifolders.com/ Runs well with our color machines and easy to assemble. One more way to differentiate from the competition by adding a solution to a problem. David Doost Printing Impression 1200 Barrett Pkwy Suite 4 Kennesaw, GA 30144 www.printingimpression.net -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 8:47 PM To: printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] SHORT RUN PRES FOLDERS ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I recall a company out there that sells a die cut kit for digital presentation folders, I think they come pre-taped or something. Questions: 1. Anybody use this stuff and is it worth the hassle? 2. What is the company? TIA Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: htt