From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Tue May 1 09:28:55 2007 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Tue May 1 09:29:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quickmaster for sale In-Reply-To: References: <20070430222717.5E44E80759F@rb.enter.net><006301c78b8b$342407c0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: <006701c78bf4$aa9f82d0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> And Heidelberg really doesn't need any lessons on charging. Gord Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc 2105 Midland Ave Unit 14 Scarborough, ON M1P 3E3 Ph: 416 298 6996 Fax: 416 298 2771 www.xoxocyberprint.com gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Craig Dellinger Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:57 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Quickmaster for sale ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I would run, not walk from that press. In the big scheme of things, I'm having a hard time justifying buying other people problems anymore. If you're going to run a press for 5 to 10 years, how much are you really saving by buying used? I know our POS-46 has seen better days. I'll have to check and see how many impressions are on it, but I know we've put a TON of money replacing parts over the past few years. It's a shame that it still looks good. It would be easier to dump it behind the shop and buy a new one. It's a very productive press, but when they break, it's a bad day for your checkbook. And they break a lot (compared to our Ryobi's). At least if you purchased a new one, you could make sure that it gets the very best care to make it last longer. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy Fort Wayne, IN www.newhavenprint.com On Apr 30, 2007, at 8:53 PM, Gordon Watt wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Actually I think I'll do without. I was more or less wondering if > 40 mill > wasn't too much. Thanks. > > Gord Watt > Xoxo Cyberprint Inc > 2105 Midland Ave Unit 14 > Scarborough, ON M1P 3E3 > Ph: 416 298 6996 > Fax: 416 298 2771 > www.xoxocyberprint.com > gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Simon Sheers > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 6:44 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Quickmaster for sale > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We're looking at replacing one of our QM46s with 24mm impressions. I > don't expect to sell it for more than US$5,000 to $10,000. > > Quite aside from the modest cost of downtime, the repair/ maintenance > costs incurred in 2006 would have made a new PrintMaster in January > 2006 worthwhile. > > 40mm impressions is a lot, and even if the machine was mechanically > perfect, the technology is older. > > Buy new! > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Watt" >> >>> We have an opportunity to buy a Quickmaster, that's a Quickmaster >>> not a Printmaster, with 40 million clicks. I'd appreciate any >>> opinions re >>> what we might pay for this or any other thoughts. > >> $10,000 to maybe $20,000 depending on condition. I paid $10,000 >> for a >> 97 with about 20million impressions (you don't call them clicks on a >> press) a couple years ago, but it is only a one color. > > Please reply to Simon Sheers at: > > > Sheer Graphics Inc. > 47 Chestnut Avenue, > Westmont, IL 60559-1127 > Tel: (630) 654-4422 > > Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2231 (20070430) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 www.newhavenprint.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2232 (20070430) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From info at huttotxprinting.com Tue May 1 10:10:54 2007 From: info at huttotxprinting.com (Hutto Printing) Date: Tue May 1 10:10:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quickmaster for sale In-Reply-To: <004e01c78b63$d23377c0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> References: <4632010B.17702.345BFF6C@slb.inkspot.net><97A0A690-5337-4C1A-960A-4AF6A22BABDF@bellsouth.net><6.0.1.1.2.20070429131318.027c8ec0@mail.koyote.com><4A6A18E6-180A-4122-8554-390B83B03844@bellsouth.net><98f5b19a0704301001n14a7ecd9gfffcece07e800dfb@mail.gmail.com> <00c101c78b53$d91c1070$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <004e01c78b63$d23377c0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: I bought one with 20million on it, and I will tell you I had to put some money into it. The previous owners were not great with maintenance. There were a couple of bearings I had to replace, plus they apparently knew they were going to get rid of it. I had to replace several rollers that were well past their life, plus new delivery chains. Stuff like that. As long as you realize that 40million is a lot, and are willing to put money into the press, you should be ok. Darrell Trammel Hutto Printing 512.846.1990 Order online at www.huttotxprinting.com !! Hutto Chamber of Commerce Member Authorized Adobe Solutions Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider On Apr 30, 2007, at 3:12 PM, Gordon Watt wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have an opportunity to buy a Quickmaster, that's a Quickmaster > not a Printmaster, with 40 million clicks. I'd appreciate any opinions > re > what we might pay for this or any other thoughts. > > Thanks in advance. > > > Gord Watt > Xoxo Cyberprint Inc > 2105 Midland Ave Unit 14 > Scarborough, ON M1P 3E3 > Ph: 416 298 6996 > Fax: 416 298 2771 > www.xoxocyberprint.com > gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From championprinting at yahoo.com Tue May 1 10:24:30 2007 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Tue May 1 10:24:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printsmith to Printer's Plan Advantages? Message-ID: <262505.67368.qm@web38914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dan Huntingford wrote: "How long before they sell the company to someone like EFI and retire? Do they have a staff in place to take over training and service? People often talk about calling and talking to Tulin, but how long is she going to be there?" This sounds like a very reasonable question to ask. Did you get an answer? Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com /printowners From ed at graphicprintersinc.com Tue May 1 10:34:07 2007 From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce) Date: Tue May 1 10:34:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printsmith to Printer's Plan Advantages? In-Reply-To: <262505.67368.qm@web38914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003e01c78bfd$c704dd40$5a01a8c0@fileserver> I agree that Dan's question is right to the point. After all, is it the software that is so superior or is it the people behind the software that make it superior? Hands on personal service by the owners of any business go a long way toward developing a loyal customer base. It is just a matter of time before there are changes at PP due to the owners' age, health or other reasons. Those changes may turn out to be good but they also may be bad so what do you do then? Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ted Gelletly Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:25 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Printsmith to Printer's Plan Advantages? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Dan Huntingford wrote: "How long before they sell the company to someone like EFI and retire? Do they have a staff in place to take over training and service? People often talk about calling and talking to Tulin, but how long is she going to be there?" This sounds like a very reasonable question to ask. Did you get an answer? Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com /printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2232 (20070430) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From acepm2 at gmail.com Tue May 1 10:49:22 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Tue May 1 10:49:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printsmith to Printer's Plan Advantages? In-Reply-To: <003e01c78bfd$c704dd40$5a01a8c0@fileserver> References: <262505.67368.qm@web38914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003e01c78bfd$c704dd40$5a01a8c0@fileserver> Message-ID: Well......... I don't know? What do we do if our house burns down? What do we do if a plane falls out of the sky on top of us? What do we do if we win the lottery? How long before Tulin and Urg move out? Retire? Quit? I'm not directing this at any one person, so please, spare the flames. The question was asked "What is the best business software out there?" I'm guessing that question meant "at present?" That's how we all replied anyway. I doubt that PS, PP, ABC or XYZ will be the leading software 10 years from now. So what if folks retire, die or just move on? There is no one simple solution that will take care of all FUTURE questions at present time. If we did have the answers TODAY for questions about THE FUTURE, we would all have crystal balls, yes? From jedwards at printzilla.net Tue May 1 11:20:02 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Tue May 1 11:21:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printsmith to Printer's Plan Advantages? In-Reply-To: <003e01c78bfd$c704dd40$5a01a8c0@fileserver> References: <003e01c78bfd$c704dd40$5a01a8c0@fileserver> Message-ID: <6AD9E3D5-C48E-40CD-8D8D-736EA1459575@printzilla.net> On May 1, 2007, at 9:34 AM, Ed Pierce wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I agree that Dan's question is right to the point. After all, is it > the > software that is so superior or is it the people behind the > software that > make it superior? Hands on personal service by the owners of any > business go > a long way toward developing a loyal customer base. You mean like that guy Neal, I bought PrintSmith from. He was a good guy. We even went to visit him, got training for free on a Saturday and then ended up in Tortilla Flats saddled up to a bar stool. There's a dollar bill with my autograph on it nailed to the wall. Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas From mfoster at chilitech.net Tue May 1 11:23:21 2007 From: mfoster at chilitech.net (Michael Foster) Date: Tue May 1 11:23:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Door hangers with a reflective stripe In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We have a customer who is looking for a door hanger with a reflective stripe on it, so that it can easily be seen in the dark with a flashlight.....anybody have any ideas??? TIA -- Michael Foster The Print Shoppe 421 Washington Blvd. Williamsport, PA 17701 570-327-9005 Fax 570-327-9149 www.theprintshoppe.com mfoster@chilitech.net From prtquick at eos.net Tue May 1 10:58:56 2007 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Tue May 1 11:38:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] bible imprinting Message-ID: <2968673e21a91ae9e4451280e0e49880@eos.net> A religious bookstore recently opened across the street from us, and asked if we would be interested in offering Bible imprinting. They don't want to do it themselves, which is not necessarily an indication that it wouldn't pay -- they have a very small staff and want to stick to bookselling only. Does anyone here offer this? What sort of equipment does it require? (The bookstore told us they would use a machine from Howard Imprinting, but I don't know if that's what people usually use or not.) Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit us in our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing From alewinter at datapalette.com Tue May 1 11:43:41 2007 From: alewinter at datapalette.com (Andrew LeWinter) Date: Tue May 1 11:42:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printsmith to Printer's Plan Advantages? References: <003e01c78bfd$c704dd40$5a01a8c0@fileserver> Message-ID: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D5015421A@mail1.datapalette.local> When there are changes, you will have to make the decision to live with the existing program because it satisfies your requirements, or you will seek a new program and switch over. But the option to switch programs is always available to you, whether the owners are around, or not. When a paper company changes hands, you see what changes happen, and make a decision to stick with them or not. If they discontinue the stock you have been using for the past 10 years, you either accept their replacement, or you choose another from another supplier. When buying anything, your options are the same when conditions you don't control, change. Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ed Pierce Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 10:34 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Printsmith to Printer's Plan Advantages? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I agree that Dan's question is right to the point. After all, is it the software that is so superior or is it the people behind the software that make it superior? Hands on personal service by the owners of any business go a long way toward developing a loyal customer base. It is just a matter of time before there are changes at PP due to the owners' age, health or other reasons. Those changes may turn out to be good but they also may be bad so what do you do then? Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ted Gelletly Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:25 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Printsmith to Printer's Plan Advantages? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Dan Huntingford wrote: "How long before they sell the company to someone like EFI and retire? Do they have a staff in place to take over training and service? People often talk about calling and talking to Tulin, but how long is she going to be there?" This sounds like a very reasonable question to ask. Did you get an answer? Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com /printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2232 (20070430) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From swiftyprinting at mac.com Tue May 1 11:42:15 2007 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Tue May 1 11:42:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Morgana Auto Creaser or Tri-Creaser In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For those who may have tried or have these machines, for short run scoring on digital printed pieces which would you recommend. We have a Rollem Champion 990, but it can be slow to set up for short runs and not do a great job on some stocks (tri-creaser not available for this model). The tricreaser (stand alone model) and the Morgan Auto creaser both use different approaches. One is a channel score using a guillotine approach and the other using rubber bands in different width channels. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue May 1 11:56:05 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue May 1 11:56:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Morgana Auto Creaser or Tri-Creaser In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0705010856l656b905do7fbcbda018085d1a@mail.gmail.com> On 5/1/07, Chuck wrote: > > We have > a Rollem Champion 990, but it can be slow to set up for short runs > and not do a great job on some stocks (tri-creaser not available for > this model). Check again, Chuck. We've had a Tri-Creaser on our Rollem Champion 990 for several years, and we swear by it. Best small equipment investment I've ever made! http://www.technifoldusa.com/TriCreaser.html Call them: TECHNIFOLD USA Montague, NJ 07827 Phone: 973-293-7473 Fax: 973-293-8339 HTH -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com =================================== If you can do a half-assed job of anything, you're a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind. ~ Kurt Vonnegut From mail at myprinter.biz Tue May 1 12:04:13 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Tue May 1 12:06:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printsmith to Printer's Plan Advantages? In-Reply-To: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D5015421A@mail1.datapalette.local> Message-ID: For those of you that aren't aware, there's another Edev - a rather competent daughter (who, like her mother, is surprising intelligent for a wom...now, she's going to kill me, too) - that works at PP, along with Paul, who's absolutely super, and other staff members that have never failed to take care of my concerns and questions (though Tulin no longer takes my calls, and I don't blame her: I wouldn't either). Remember that the question here started as one comparing PP with PS, with the idea of advising those that have neither or are contemplating changing to the former from the latter. What's a good analogy? Beats me. How about a bird in hand (PP), while it might die at some future date, is worth another (PS) one in a burning bush that also happens to be roasting your tush? Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Andrew LeWinter Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 11:44 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Printsmith to Printer's Plan Advantages? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** When there are changes, you will have to make the decision to live with the existing program because it satisfies your requirements, or you will seek a new program and switch over. But the option to switch programs is always available to you, whether the owners are around, or not. When a paper company changes hands, you see what changes happen, and make a decision to stick with them or not. If they discontinue the stock you have been using for the past 10 years, you either accept their replacement, or you choose another from another supplier. When buying anything, your options are the same when conditions you don't control, change. Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ed Pierce Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 10:34 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Printsmith to Printer's Plan Advantages? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I agree that Dan's question is right to the point. After all, is it the software that is so superior or is it the people behind the software that make it superior? Hands on personal service by the owners of any business go a long way toward developing a loyal customer base. It is just a matter of time before there are changes at PP due to the owners' age, health or other reasons. Those changes may turn out to be good but they also may be bad so what do you do then? Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ted Gelletly Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:25 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Printsmith to Printer's Plan Advantages? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Dan Huntingford wrote: "How long before they sell the company to someone like EFI and retire? Do they have a staff in place to take over training and service? People often talk about calling and talking to Tulin, but how long is she going to be there?" This sounds like a very reasonable question to ask. Did you get an answer? Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com /printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2232 (20070430) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From clc at crownmax.com Tue May 1 12:17:00 2007 From: clc at crownmax.com (clc) Date: Tue May 1 12:13:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Door hangers with a reflective stripe References: Message-ID: <000e01c78c0c$26ac7100$7201a8c0@Crown.local> Could Robin put some reflective tape on them with her tape machine? It could be a new product for both of you. I think you can buy reflective tape in many widths. Charlie Counts CROWNMAX, Inc. 2301 Roxalana Road P O Box 234 Dunbar, WV 25064-0234 1-800-252-4011 -- Fax 304-744-8652 clc@crownmax.com www.crownmax.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Foster" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 11:23 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Door hangers with a reflective stripe > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have a customer who is looking for a door hanger with a reflective > stripe > on it, so that it can easily be seen in the dark with a > flashlight.....anybody have any ideas??? > TIA > -- > > Michael Foster > The Print Shoppe > 421 Washington Blvd. > Williamsport, PA 17701 > 570-327-9005 > Fax 570-327-9149 > www.theprintshoppe.com > mfoster@chilitech.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From mail at myprinter.biz Tue May 1 12:56:07 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Tue May 1 12:58:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] bible imprinting In-Reply-To: <2968673e21a91ae9e4451280e0e49880@eos.net> Message-ID: IGU: What's "bible imprinting?" Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Scott Finke Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 10:59 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] bible imprinting ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** A religious bookstore recently opened across the street from us, and asked if we would be interested in offering Bible imprinting. They don't want to do it themselves, which is not necessarily an indication that it wouldn't pay -- they have a very small staff and want to stick to bookselling only. Does anyone here offer this? What sort of equipment does it require? (The bookstore told us they would use a machine from Howard Imprinting, but I don't know if that's what people usually use or not.) 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Printing _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bgallagher at nbn.net Tue May 1 13:05:04 2007 From: bgallagher at nbn.net (Bob Gallagher) Date: Tue May 1 13:05:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Door hangers with a reflective stripe In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 5/1/07 11:23 AM, "Michael Foster" wrote: > We have a customer who is looking for a door hanger with a reflective stripe > on it, so that it can easily be seen in the dark with a > flashlight.....anybody have any ideas??? > TIA Print the stripe with fluorescent ink. You will have to double bump it for it to be effective. Bob Gallagher Gallagher Printing, Inc. 601 W. Main Street Palmyra, PA 17078 717-838-1527 1-888-838-1527 Fax 717-838-5715 An Adobe Service Provider A Microsoft Publisher Provider Member, Adobe Solutions Network From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue May 1 13:09:02 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue May 1 13:09:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printsmith to Printer's Plan Advantages? In-Reply-To: <00c101c78b53$d91c1070$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <4632010B.17702.345BFF6C@slb.inkspot.net> <97A0A690-5337-4C1A-960A-4AF6A22BABDF@bellsouth.net> <6.0.1.1.2.20070429131318.027c8ec0@mail.koyote.com> <4A6A18E6-180A-4122-8554-390B83B03844@bellsouth.net> <98f5b19a0704301001n14a7ecd9gfffcece07e800dfb@mail.gmail.com> <00c101c78b53$d91c1070$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0705011009l19165a5cv38834d10e440e79@mail.gmail.com> On 4/30/07, Dan Huntingford wrote: > > My only real hesitation in moving from PrintSmith to Printer's Plan is, ah. > . . how to say this delicately, Tulin and Ugur are old. I would hardly call Tulin and Ugur old. But since it's not unreasonable to think of 60s as retirement age, it appears Tulin and Ugur have taken PP to the "next step," where it will be able to run without them. > How long before they sell the company to someone like EFI and retire? Although it's unresonable to expect things to stay the same forever, I have faith that Ugur and Tulin will do their best to make sure the company culture they have nurtured is maintained. To know them is to know they are not just going to fill their pockets and walk off into the sunset. > Do > they have a staff in place to take over training and service? Yes. > People often > talk about calling and talking to Tulin, but how long is she going to be > there? Tulin is not the person you'll speak to about service issues. Users have a relationship with her because she's likely the one who sold them the software. And she cares. And she's a great liaison between users and development. But as long as the culture is kept in place, that conduit is likely to be kept open. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com =================================== If you can do a half-assed job of anything, you're a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind. ~ Kurt Vonnegut From TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com Tue May 1 13:25:25 2007 From: TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com (Tom King) Date: Tue May 1 13:26:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printsmith to Printer's Plan Advantages? In-Reply-To: <6AD9E3D5-C48E-40CD-8D8D-736EA1459575@printzilla.net> References: <003e01c78bfd$c704dd40$5a01a8c0@fileserver> <6AD9E3D5-C48E-40CD-8D8D-736EA1459575@printzilla.net> Message-ID: <004201c78c15$b4bc9c50$6900a8c0@Tom> Snip> is it the software that is so superior or is it the people behind the software that make it superior? Hands on personal service by the > owners of any business go a long way toward developing a loyal > customer base. Snip >It is just a matter of time before there are changes at PP due to the owners' age, health or other reasons. Those changes may turn out to be good but they also may be bad so what do you do then? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't know 'nuthin about Printsmith or much about computer programming stuff, but one advantage PP might have is that the whole program is done in Microsoft Access which makes it relatively simple for them to make changes, upgrades and alterations to the program. That's also one of the reasons the program is so stable and 'bulletproof'. As far as the future of PP, if they closed their doors tomorrow, which of course they won't, someone smart could rewrite the program so you could continue to use your existing files. All of the tables are open and accessible and even someone as dense as me can, and has, used Microsoft Access to make their own queries and reports based on the raw information in the tables without even using the Printer's Plan 'interface' (Don't try this at home, kids! I do it just 'cause I'm a computer geek and like to mess with stuff like that). Just my thoughts. Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com From TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com Tue May 1 13:59:28 2007 From: TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com (Tom King) Date: Tue May 1 14:01:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printsmith to Printer's Plan Advantages? References: <003e01c78bfd$c704dd40$5a01a8c0@fileserver> <6AD9E3D5-C48E-40CD-8D8D-736EA1459575@printzilla.net> Message-ID: <006401c78c1a$7677f5c0$6900a8c0@Tom> Snip> is it the software that is so superior or is it the people behind the software that make it superior? Hands on personal service by the > owners of any business go a long way toward developing a loyal > customer base. Snip >It is just a matter of time before there are changes at PP due to the owners' age, health or other reasons. Those changes may turn out to be good but they also may be bad so what do you do then? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't know 'nuthin about Printsmith or much about computer programming stuff, but one advantage PP might have is that the whole program is done in Microsoft Access which makes it relatively simple for them to make changes, upgrades and alterations to the program. That's also one of the reasons the program is so stable and 'bulletproof'. As far as the future of PP, if they closed their doors tomorrow, which of course they won't, someone smart could rewrite the program so you could continue to use your existing files. All of the tables are open and accessible and even someone as dense as me can, and has, used Microsoft Access to make their own queries and reports based on the raw information in the tables without even using the Printer's Plan 'interface' (Don't try this at home, kids! I do it just 'cause I'm a computer geek and like to mess with stuff like that). Just my thoughts. Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com From latson at koyote.com Tue May 1 14:19:09 2007 From: latson at koyote.com (Dick Latson) Date: Tue May 1 14:28:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] bible imprinting In-Reply-To: <2968673e21a91ae9e4451280e0e49880@eos.net> References: <2968673e21a91ae9e4451280e0e49880@eos.net> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20070501131601.0291ade0@mail.koyote.com> This would require a hot (foil) stamp machine. The reason they probably do not want to do it is because of what happens when the foil messes up or a mistake is made. Some of those bibles can get expensive. A religious bookstore recently opened across the street from us, and asked if we would be interested in offering Bible imprinting. They don't want to do it themselves, which is not necessarily an indication that it wouldn't pay -- they have a very small staff and want to stick to bookselling only. Does anyone here offer this? What sort of equipment does it require? (The bookstore told us they would use a machine from Howard Imprinting, but I don't know if that's what people usually use or not.) > Gail Finke Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: Dick@latsons.com www.latsons.com From bernies at printnetusa.com Tue May 1 14:42:33 2007 From: bernies at printnetusa.com (Bernie Schreiber) Date: Tue May 1 14:42:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Surcharge for postage??? Message-ID: <01a301c78c20$7b421940$0b000078@bernie> Those of you in mailing services: 1. Generally we require a check payable to U.S. Postmaster prior to mailing. 2. However, in some instances we bill regular customers for postage. 3. If you ever bill customers for postage, do you charge an additional fee for advancing the money for the postage? Thanks Bernie Schreiber PrintNet USA, Inc. 7005 Westbelt Drive Nashville, TN 37209 615.385.9100.....Fax: 615.298.4234 bernies@printnetusa.com From mike at arborprinting.com Tue May 1 14:47:08 2007 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Tue May 1 14:49:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How do you handle postage??? References: <01a301c78c20$7b421940$0b000078@bernie> Message-ID: <020201c78c21$1f9e35a0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> I know this topic has come up before, but how is postage being handled from an accounting/ sales standpoint? Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. www.arborprinting.com From bob at rjmprinting.com Tue May 1 14:55:04 2007 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Tue May 1 14:57:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How do you handle postage??? In-Reply-To: <020201c78c21$1f9e35a0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: We usually have the customer make it the check out to US Postmaster so it never hits our books. In the rare instance we pay postage for the customer we use a balance sheet account called "Customer Postage Clearing". When we pay the postage we credit cash and debit the above account. When the customer pays us for the postage we debit cash and credit this account. The balance should almost always be zero. Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mike@arborprinting.com Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 1:47 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] How do you handle postage??? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I know this topic has come up before, but how is postage being handled from an accounting/ sales standpoint? Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. www.arborprinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From robin at protypeonline.com Tue May 1 14:58:06 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Tue May 1 14:57:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:Printsmith to Printer's Plan Advantages? Message-ID: Dan and others, I have asked the question on two different occasions to both Ugur and Tulin -- about selling the business, who will carry on, etc.... they have a plan in place and it does not involve selling the company to a larger or printing related business -- I also teased them and asked if they thought it would be a idea and investment for me to get life insurance on the two of them -- they assured me..not necessary -- SoftUse, Inc. will be in good hands when and if they are no longer active owners. And, I have not known these two to be anything but 110% honest at all times. Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Tue May 1 15:01:08 2007 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Tue May 1 15:01:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Surcharge for postage??? In-Reply-To: <01a301c78c20$7b421940$0b000078@bernie> References: <01a301c78c20$7b421940$0b000078@bernie> Message-ID: <46378E74.9090001@sugarloafprint.com> Bernie Schreiber wrote: >Those of you in mailing services: >1. Generally we require a check payable to U.S. Postmaster prior to mailing. >2. However, in some instances we bill regular customers for postage. >3. If you ever bill customers for postage, do you charge an additional fee for advancing the money for the postage? > > > > > Mike@arborprinting.com wrote: > I know this topic has come up before, but how is postage being handled > from an accounting/ sales standpoint? > Thanks, > Bob Bergey wrote: > >> BTW, it has always puzzled me why subscribers even need the Archive >> service. Except for a handful of messages lost for various reasons >> over the years, I have basically every email message I've ever >> received, for at least the last ten years, and can easily search them >> locally. I've never understood why people delete what could be >> important information, especially when it takes such little time, >> room and effort to save. Okay, that was an aside ... I do know that >> not everyone saves things -- I just don't understand why they don't. > > Maybe Bob can answer this question since it's been asked before. Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From Rob at pdiprint.com Tue May 1 15:03:00 2007 From: Rob at pdiprint.com (Rob Robertson) Date: Tue May 1 15:02:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Surcharge for postage??? In-Reply-To: <01a301c78c20$7b421940$0b000078@bernie> References: <01a301c78c20$7b421940$0b000078@bernie> Message-ID: DO NOT ADVANCE POSTAGE TO ANYONE! I DON'T CARE IF THEY ARE YOUR BEST FRIEND, DON'T DO IT. The standard practice is to pay for postage upfront with all mailing houses. Most of the time your postage amounts far outweigh the cost of the print job and mailing operations. Your customer will understand and should not have any complaints. If they can't get a check right a way, then get a CC #. For CC charges, we do add a 5% convenience charge to the postage amount. Rob Robertson President Printing Department, Inc. 2108 Spencer Road Richmond, Virginia 23230 (804) 282-2739 Fax (804) 285-4325 www.pdiprint.com / www.mailingresources.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bernie Schreiber Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 2:43 PM To: PrintOwners List Subject: [PrintOwners] Surcharge for postage??? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Those of you in mailing services: 1. Generally we require a check payable to U.S. Postmaster prior to mailing. 2. However, in some instances we bill regular customers for postage. 3. If you ever bill customers for postage, do you charge an additional fee for advancing the money for the postage? Thanks Bernie Schreiber PrintNet USA, Inc. 7005 Westbelt Drive Nashville, TN 37209 615.385.9100.....Fax: 615.298.4234 bernies@printnetusa.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _____________ NOD32 EMON 2232 (20070430) information _____________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _____________ NOD32 EMON 2233 (20070501) information _____________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com From slb at inkspot.net Tue May 1 15:12:07 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue May 1 15:12:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Reasons for sales calls In-Reply-To: <012701c78b7d$9b0b4b50$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <463758C7.31477.493AD31D@slb.inkspot.net> > The one thing many people loose track of is this: Sales is hard work. You > have to get off your ass and make sales calls. You have to find reasons to > call back again and again and again. I've found that to be one of my weak points (and I have a lot of them in selling). When you've had a good conversation with a prospect, but there's no obvious "next step" (even after you've asked...), what are some of the reasons you've used for that next sales call? Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From priorityprinting at comcast.net Tue May 1 15:21:39 2007 From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net) Date: Tue May 1 15:21:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Surcharge for postage??? Message-ID: <050120071921.22815.463793430001D38F0000591F22028887440902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Our policy is we must have a check made out to the Postmaster before the job is delivered to the post office. If an account wants to pay with a credit card we add 5% to the total postage cost. WE NEVER NEVER BILL FOR POSTAGE! NO EXCEPTIONS. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Rob Robertson" > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > DO NOT ADVANCE POSTAGE TO ANYONE! I DON'T CARE IF THEY ARE YOUR BEST > FRIEND, DON'T DO IT. The standard practice is to pay for postage upfront > with all mailing houses. Most of the time your postage amounts far > outweigh the cost of the print job and mailing operations. Your customer > will understand and should not have any complaints. If they can't get a > check right a way, then get a CC #. For CC charges, we do add a 5% > convenience charge to the postage amount. > > > Rob Robertson > President > Printing Department, Inc. > 2108 Spencer Road > Richmond, Virginia 23230 > (804) 282-2739 Fax (804) 285-4325 > www.pdiprint.com / www.mailingresources.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bernie Schreiber > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 2:43 PM > To: PrintOwners List > Subject: [PrintOwners] Surcharge for postage??? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Those of you in mailing services: > > > > 1. Generally we require a check payable to U.S. > Postmaster prior to mailing. > > > > 2. However, in some instances we bill regular customers > for postage. > > > > 3. If you ever bill customers for postage, do you > charge an additional fee for advancing the money for the > postage? > > > > Thanks > > > > Bernie Schreiber > > > > PrintNet USA, Inc. > > 7005 Westbelt Drive > > Nashville, TN 37209 > > 615.385.9100.....Fax: 615.298.4234 > > bernies@printnetusa.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _____________ NOD32 EMON 2232 (20070430) information _____________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system > http://www.eset.com > > > > > _____________ NOD32 EMON 2233 (20070501) information _____________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From russ at mobile-print.com Tue May 1 16:47:56 2007 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Tue May 1 15:53:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Surcharge for postage??? In-Reply-To: References: <01a301c78c20$7b421940$0b000078@bernie> Message-ID: <4637A77C.40005@mobile-print.com> I do a lot of work for a law firm. $50 - 60K per year. They've been with us for more than 15 years.We do a regular monthly newsletter as well as a quarterly newsletter. The monthly bills out at about $850 with postage about $450. We always bill them for postage. Our mailhouse bills us, too. All other clients pay before dropping the mailing. It really depends on your relationship with the client. Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847-398-6155 Fax: 847-398-0788 > > DO NOT ADVANCE POSTAGE TO ANYONE! I DON'T CARE IF THEY ARE YOUR BEST > FRIEND, DON'T DO IT. The standard practice is to pay for postage upfront > with all mailing houses. > From thom at acepm.com Tue May 1 15:48:36 2007 From: thom at acepm.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Tue May 1 15:53:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Surcharge for postage??? In-Reply-To: References: <01a301c78c20$7b421940$0b000078@bernie> Message-ID: <013b01c78c29$b5785b20$20691160$@com> -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Rob Robertson Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 3:03 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Surcharge for postage??? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** DO NOT ADVANCE POSTAGE TO ANYONE! I DON'T CARE IF THEY ARE YOUR BEST FRIEND, DON'T DO IT. The standard practice is to pay for postage upfront with all mailing houses. Most of the time your postage amounts far outweigh the cost of the print job and mailing operations. Your customer will understand and should not have any complaints. If they can't get a check right a way, then get a CC #. For CC charges, we do add a 5% convenience charge to the postage amount. Rob Robertson President ************************************************************* Hmmmm....... interesting. Can't say that I'll agree with you Rob, but each company has its own policies. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing 10 South Main Street Berlin, Maryland? 21811-1427 410-641-3636 / FAX 410-641-1167 Web Page: www.ACEPM.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider and a Microsoft Publisher Service Provider. We offer mailing services for First, Second and Standard class mailings. We handle everything from concept...to printing...to mailing! Ask us how we can SAVE YOU MONEY!!! From carisa at holmesprinting.com Tue May 1 15:46:43 2007 From: carisa at holmesprinting.com (Carisa Holmes-Peters) Date: Tue May 1 15:53:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Surcharge for postage??? In-Reply-To: <20070501192151.CD1B081577F@rb.enter.net> References: <20070501192151.CD1B081577F@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7A802872-F629-4725-9B91-A10B4B6201B5@holmesprinting.com> We do pay the postage for them and then add it to their bill. All of the mailings we do are for our better clients and to date we have not had an issue. We discuss this topic from time to time weighing out the risks. We may change at some point, but for now we pay it. In the beginning we always required a check from them and it seemed to always be a timing inconvenience and hassle. We do not add a surcharge either....something we should definitely consider. On May 1, 2007, at 3:21 PM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 13:42:33 -0500 > From: "Bernie Schreiber" > Subject: [PrintOwners] Surcharge for postage??? > To: "PrintOwners List" > Message-ID: <01a301c78c20$7b421940$0b000078@bernie> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Those of you in mailing services: > > > > 1. Generally we require a check payable to U.S. > Postmaster prior to mailing. > > > > 2. However, in some instances we bill regular customers > for postage. > > > > 3. If you ever bill customers for postage, do you > charge an additional fee for advancing the money for the > postage? > > > > Thanks > > > > Bernie Schreiber > > > > PrintNet USA, Inc. > > 7005 Westbelt Drive > > Nashville, TN 37209 > > 615.385.9100.....Fax: 615.298.4234 > > bernies@printnetusa.com > > Carisa Holmes-Peters Administrative Office Manager HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com http://www.holmesprinting.com/ ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! POSTERS, BANNERS, INDOOR/OUTDOOR AND MORE - CALL TODAY! ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Tue May 1 15:44:25 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Tue May 1 15:53:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Surcharge for postage??? In-Reply-To: <20070501192151.B024981577C@rb.enter.net> References: <20070501192151.B024981577C@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7dee6582496ff41e24ccd1464aee2839@sheergraphics.com> We always require a check payable to the US Postmaster before taking mail to the Post Office. We never advance postage. If the check bounces, both us as the permit holder and the issuer of the check are liable for the postage. The USPS will automatically send a bouncing check in for collection - no exceptions. It is less likely that a customer of yours will bounce check payable to the US Postmaster, than he would stop or bounce a check payable to a printing company. If the credit card charge for postage is disputed, what evidence do you have that the goods were delivered by the USPS? NONE! > DO NOT ADVANCE POSTAGE TO ANYONE! I DON'T CARE IF THEY ARE YOUR BEST > FRIEND, DON'T DO IT. The standard practice is to pay for postage > upfront > with all mailing houses. Most of the time your postage amounts far > outweigh the cost of the print job and mailing operations. Your > customer > will understand and should not have any complaints. If they can't get a > check right a way, then get a CC #. For CC charges, we do add a 5% > convenience charge to the postage amount. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From kathy at mpcny.com Tue May 1 16:00:48 2007 From: kathy at mpcny.com (Kathy Henry) Date: Tue May 1 16:00:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Surcharge for postage??? In-Reply-To: <7A802872-F629-4725-9B91-A10B4B6201B5@holmesprinting.com> References: <20070501192151.CD1B081577F@rb.enter.net> <7A802872-F629-4725-9B91-A10B4B6201B5@holmesprinting.com> Message-ID: <013401c78c2b$6adefef0$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> I am sure you will all remember my experience with American Express when the client paid for the postage on her card, and then charged back the charge because she didn't like the return on the mailing. Be careful, be very careful... Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing kathy@mpcny.com 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Carisa Holmes-Peters Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 3:47 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Surcharge for postage??? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We do pay the postage for them and then add it to their bill. All of the mailings we do are for our better clients and to date we have not had an issue. We discuss this topic from time to time weighing out the risks. We may change at some point, but for now we pay it. In the beginning we always required a check from them and it seemed to always be a timing inconvenience and hassle. We do not add a surcharge either....something we should definitely consider. On May 1, 2007, at 3:21 PM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 13:42:33 -0500 > From: "Bernie Schreiber" > Subject: [PrintOwners] Surcharge for postage??? > To: "PrintOwners List" > Message-ID: <01a301c78c20$7b421940$0b000078@bernie> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Those of you in mailing services: > > > > 1. Generally we require a check payable to U.S. > Postmaster prior to mailing. > > > > 2. However, in some instances we bill regular customers > for postage. > > > > 3. If you ever bill customers for postage, do you > charge an additional fee for advancing the money for the > postage? > > > > Thanks > > > > Bernie Schreiber > > > > PrintNet USA, Inc. > > 7005 Westbelt Drive > > Nashville, TN 37209 > > 615.385.9100.....Fax: 615.298.4234 > > bernies@printnetusa.com > > Carisa Holmes-Peters Administrative Office Manager HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com http://www.holmesprinting.com/ ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! POSTERS, BANNERS, INDOOR/OUTDOOR AND MORE - CALL TODAY! ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/782 - Release Date: 5/1/2007 2:10 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/782 - Release Date: 5/1/2007 2:10 AM From prtquick at eos.net Tue May 1 16:31:07 2007 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Tue May 1 16:07:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Surcharge for postage??? In-Reply-To: <01a301c78c20$7b421940$0b000078@bernie> References: <01a301c78c20$7b421940$0b000078@bernie> Message-ID: <7861937bdfe66829b1c9a15335712e7a@eos.net> I do. It is an invisible charge, it is listed on my pricing menu as "use Brentwood indetia" because they are usually using my number. If they have their own number we ask them to have the account ready. Usually these are folks I do consistent business with, and they have me do this for convenience. One of them gave me a check for $100 and said "consider this my postage deposit" about 3 years ago. We bill him for his postage - but he has some $ on the books. Yes, I have gotten burned once. Thanks! Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit us in our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing On May 1, 2007, at 2:42 PM, Bernie Schreiber wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Those of you in mailing services: > > > > 1. Generally we require a check payable to U.S. > Postmaster prior to mailing. > > > > 2. However, in some instances we bill regular customers > for postage. > > > > 3. If you ever bill customers for postage, do you > charge an additional fee for advancing the money for the > postage? > > > > Thanks > > > > Bernie Schreiber > > > > PrintNet USA, Inc. > > 7005 Westbelt Drive > > Nashville, TN 37209 > > 615.385.9100.....Fax: 615.298.4234 > > bernies@printnetusa.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From Rob at pdiprint.com Tue May 1 16:21:50 2007 From: Rob at pdiprint.com (Rob Robertson) Date: Tue May 1 16:21:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Surcharge for postage??? In-Reply-To: <013b01c78c29$b5785b20$20691160$@com> References: <01a301c78c20$7b421940$0b000078@bernie> <013b01c78c29$b5785b20$20691160$@com> Message-ID: What do you do? I know your mailings are probably larger than ours. And I know I can not afford to lose $3000 in postage because the customer decided to pay. I have a collection client that we did a mailing for last year that we have taken to court. We won the case, he gave us the postage money upfront. Had I loaned him the money, we would be out that money as well. Even though we won, we lost Rob Robertson President Printing Department, Inc. 2108 Spencer Road Richmond, Virginia 23230 (804) 282-2739 Fax (804) 285-4325 www.pdiprint.com / www.mailingresources.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Thom Gulyas Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 3:49 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Surcharge for postage??? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Rob Robertson Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 3:03 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Surcharge for postage??? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** DO NOT ADVANCE POSTAGE TO ANYONE! I DON'T CARE IF THEY ARE YOUR BEST FRIEND, DON'T DO IT. The standard practice is to pay for postage upfront with all mailing houses. Most of the time your postage amounts far outweigh the cost of the print job and mailing operations. Your customer will understand and should not have any complaints. If they can't get a check right a way, then get a CC #. For CC charges, we do add a 5% convenience charge to the postage amount. Rob Robertson President ************************************************************* Hmmmm....... interesting. Can't say that I'll agree with you Rob, but each company has its own policies. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing 10 South Main Street Berlin, Maryland? 21811-1427 410-641-3636 / FAX 410-641-1167 Web Page: www.ACEPM.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider and a Microsoft Publisher Service Provider. We offer mailing services for First, Second and Standard class mailings. We handle everything from concept...to printing...to mailing! Ask us how we can SAVE YOU MONEY!!! _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _____________ NOD32 EMON 2233 (20070501) information _____________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _____________ NOD32 EMON 2233 (20070501) information _____________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com From championprinting at yahoo.com Tue May 1 16:35:53 2007 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Tue May 1 16:35:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:Printsmith to Printer's Plan Advantages? Message-ID: <850983.32677.qm@web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I will confirm this as I asked the question about a year an a half ago. At that time, I understood that the details were not final and they were not encouraging public discussion. I was suggesting Dan confront the issue in order to give us a current answer (if there was one). I would think they would want their customers (and prospective customers) to understand the transition plan if there was a concern. From what I was told, you probably wouldn't notice. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Robin Niewold To: printowners printowners Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2007 2:58:06 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:Printsmith to Printer's Plan Advantages? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Dan and others, I have asked the question on two different occasions to both Ugur and Tulin -- about selling the business, who will carry on, etc.... they have a plan in place and it does not involve selling the company to a larger or printing related business -- I also teased them and asked if they thought it would be a idea and investment for me to get life insurance on the two of them -- they assured me..not necessary -- SoftUse, Inc. will be in good hands when and if they are no longer active owners. And, I have not known these two to be anything but 110% honest at all times. Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From sos at olympus.net Tue May 1 16:37:43 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue May 1 16:37:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Reasons for sales calls References: <463758C7.31477.493AD31D@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <014f01c78c30$91b510f0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> > I've found that to be one of my weak points (and I have a lot of them > in selling). When you've had a good conversation with a prospect, but > there's no obvious "next step" (even after you've asked...), what are > some of the reasons you've used for that next sales call? ====================== Here is a copy of our new newsletter. It'll be in the mail tomorrow but I thought you might like to get an early copy. By the way you are on our mailing list aren't you? What do you think of the businesses management article each one has? Here is a magazine article I thought you might be interested in. (copied from Inc. or local Business Journal) Here are a couple samples of jobs we have recently printed for businesses similar to yours. This one mentioned they got a great response to the mailing. . . I'm calling on behalf of the Chamber of Commerce today, and I wanted to personally invite you to the business mixer Friday evening at . . . I'm calling on behalf of Kiwanis club today, no printing for a change, we're sponsoring a summer camp for disabled kids. . . I'm calling on behalf of the high school sports boosters program. These are all things I personally am involved with. Did a job yesterday for a Soccer parent I had no idea he had his own business until he thanked me for printing the team program. I brought my guitar, can I sing you a song? (I've been meaning to try that one.) You don't want to waste busy people's time, but you do want to call on them. And offer to help. Paris Walker said, I never thought of it as sales, shucks I was just wandering around offering to help people. Or something like that. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From ray at capitol-copy.com Tue May 1 16:44:39 2007 From: ray at capitol-copy.com (Ray Sziber) Date: Tue May 1 16:44:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Surcharge for postage??? In-Reply-To: <20070501202140.E14FB815BA1@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <001801c78c31$89fb9180$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> I see the postage pre-payment in slightly different ways. The postal service is one of the few vendors that require payment IN FULL prior to any service being performed. Internet-based purchases are following that pattern in a big way, even though many sites will not charge your credit card until the product is shipped. Nearly all of our other vendors are on a 30 day payment basis, so I really don't have a problem asking for postage in advance. The other aspect of this issue is total cost perception. One of our largest accounts insisted on paying for postage through us by writing the check out to us so there would be fewer transactions for them. However, we learned that they classified this as a "printing" cost which is really not an accurate reflection of that category. Since we had to charge them 7% sales tax on top of the postage cost, which in NJ is considered a freight charge, they finally decided to pay the USPS directly. In rare cases, we front the postage cost when it makes sense and truly benefits a good client. Ray Sziber Capitol Copy Service 116 West State Street Trenton NJ 08608 Ph 609-989-8776 Fx609-989-9570 www.Capitol-Copy.com Now Offering Large Format Printing! From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue May 1 16:52:20 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue May 1 16:52:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Surcharge for postage??? In-Reply-To: <7861937bdfe66829b1c9a15335712e7a@eos.net> References: <01a301c78c20$7b421940$0b000078@bernie> <7861937bdfe66829b1c9a15335712e7a@eos.net> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0705011352m72c4801p1db02e0f8c31160@mail.gmail.com> I understand and agree with all the cautionary notes about advancing postage. But no rule is without its exceptions, despite ALL CAPS and MULTIPLE !!!!!! There are certain customer for whom we advance small ammounts of postage for convenience (ours and theirs) -- a small monthly newsletter we do whose postage is rarely over $100 for a customer who always pays us within the week; a mailer who provides presorted first class *stamps* in multiple $3000 rolls -- if their mailing goes over by a couple hundred dollars or so, I bill them, etc. I only do this for customers with a quick payment habit, and I *DO* add a 20% hidden "handling fee" for the service and upfront cost. Basically, I have a rule about doing things for nothing, which is to make sure it's an itemized invoiced line item with a price of "No Charge," for which I hope to get something (goodwill?) for nothing. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com =================================== If you can do a half-assed job of anything, you're a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind. ~ Kurt Vonnegut From hal at pickimp.com Tue May 1 18:04:42 2007 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Tue May 1 18:04:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Surcharge for postage??? References: <01a301c78c20$7b421940$0b000078@bernie> <7861937bdfe66829b1c9a15335712e7a@eos.net> Message-ID: <002001c78c3c$c848f760$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> I hope it says "use Brentwood indicia" Hal Wendt IMP Printing & Graphics Design Southgate, Michigan USA From jim at visaliaidea.com Tue May 1 20:09:21 2007 From: jim at visaliaidea.com (James Laber) Date: Tue May 1 20:09:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: bible imprinting In-Reply-To: <20070501192151.CD1B081577F@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <01ae01c78c4e$236bbef0$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local> When I have had this service done at the Christian book store there was a small fee of maybe $2.00 and sometimes free depending on how much I was buying. It took the guy about 5 minutes to set it up and then he proofed off the foil stamper before imprinting Bible. Cool maybe but time consuming with low margins and lots of room for error. Wound up in the same file as copier foil. Jim Laber Idea! Printing & Graphics Inc 1921 E Main St Visalia CA 93292 559-733-4149 X118 Fax: 559-636-3690 jim@visaliaidea.com http://www.visaliaidea.com/ From jdaghir at gmail.com Wed May 2 09:17:55 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Wed May 2 09:17:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How do you handle postage??? In-Reply-To: <020201c78c21$1f9e35a0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> References: <01a301c78c20$7b421940$0b000078@bernie> <020201c78c21$1f9e35a0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: <83d5b9620705020617u35d6b50cy3c14cad2595bdfab@mail.gmail.com> We have an "Actual Postage" charge in PrintSmith called that is recorded in a non-sales category called "Customer Postage". When we do a mailing we include the postage as a separate line item on the invoice. The customer pays for the postage by writing out check made out to us just like they do for the other products/service. We do require that the postage be paid before we will take the mailing to the Post Office. The Customer Postage sales category is recorded as a separate account in Quickbooks and when we pay postage for a customer's mailing the payment is debited against the Customer Postage account. The balance in this account should normally average out to zero and postage does not show up in our sales figures. We also have another charge in PrintSmith called "Postage Markup" that is recorded in the Mailing sales category. Any markup on postage gets applied with this charge and is recorded as a sale. For example we charge the customer $600 for the postage on the mailing. Actual postage is $550. In PrintSmith we would have a separate line item called Postage with two hidden charges in the line item - $550 in the Actual Postage charge and $50 in the Postage Markup charge. When we do our daily close-out and transfer our sales figures to QuickBooks $550 would should up as non-sales income and be credited to the Customer Postage account while $50 would show up as sales income and be credited to our Sales account (in the Mailing sub-category of Sales). When we write the check for $550 to the Postmaster it would be debited against that Customer Postage account. Advantages to this approach - Profit on postage correctly shows up as sales while actual pass-through cost of postage does not. Also since the postage shows up on the invoice you have documentation that customer actually owes you for the postage and you have a check made out to you that you can collect against if the check is bad. If the check is made out to the Post Master and isn't a good check I would be afraid you would be up sh*t creek without a paddle. You have no written documentation that the customer owes you anything nor do you even have a bad check written to you to try to collect on. And the Post Office will try to collect from the Permit Holder (you) first before they worry about who actually wrote the check. And once the Post Office has received their payment from you they would have no motivation to go after the person who wrote the check. Admittedly this probably wouldn't be a problem with an established customer but it could happen. Also it seems my customer prefer to see the total cost of a mailing (printing + mailing services + postage) as a lump sum - it makes it easier for them to evaluate the cost of the mailing. Disadvantage to this approach: Some states, especially those that have adapted SSUTA (streamlined sales tax) regulations might consider the postage subject to sales tax if it shows up on the invoice. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Mike said: > I know this topic has come up before, but how is postage being handled from > an accounting/ sales standpoint? From mike at arborprinting.com Wed May 2 09:23:48 2007 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Wed May 2 09:26:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How do you handle postage??? References: <01a301c78c20$7b421940$0b000078@bernie><020201c78c21$1f9e35a0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> <83d5b9620705020617u35d6b50cy3c14cad2595bdfab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002a01c78cbd$1e75c250$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Thanks Jeff, thats just what I was looking for. Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. www.arborprinting.com From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Wed May 2 10:20:01 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Wed May 2 10:21:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How do you handle postage??? In-Reply-To: <20070502132620.4CC26817F35@rb.enter.net> References: <20070502132620.4CC26817F35@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Jeff, Things are never clear-cut and simple are they? Rather than have the check payable to the printer, we require the check to be payable to the USPS. Bad check writers are reluctant to defraud a government enterprise. > ...... If the check is made out to the Post Master and isn't a good > check I would be > afraid you would be up sh*t creek without a paddle. You have no > written documentation that the customer owes you anything nor do you > even have a bad check written to you to try to collect on. If the customer wrote a check to the USPS and the check bounced, the customer owes the USPS, not you. Certainly, the permit holder is also liable. However, the writer of the bad check is the first to be chased by collection companies. > And the Post Office will try to collect from the Permit Holder (you) > first > before they worry about who actually wrote the check. What experience can you share with us? Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From chris at mmgraphicsandmail.com Wed May 2 10:40:48 2007 From: chris at mmgraphicsandmail.com (Chris Cochran) Date: Wed May 2 10:41:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How do you handle postage??? References: <20070502132620.4CC26817F35@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <001601c78cc7$e3f763d0$2e01a8c0@ChrisCochran> Simon: We do this also, but note if you are mailing under your permit the Post Office holds the permit holder accountable not the check writer. Chris Cochran M & M Graphics, Inc Your Printing and Mailing Specialist 704-376-0938 www.mmgraphicsandmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Sheers" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] How do you handle postage??? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Jeff, > Things are never clear-cut and simple are they? > > Rather than have the check payable to the printer, we require the check to > be payable to the USPS. Bad check writers are reluctant to defraud a > government enterprise. > >> ...... If the check is made out to the Post Master and isn't a good check >> I would be >> afraid you would be up sh*t creek without a paddle. You have no >> written documentation that the customer owes you anything nor do you >> even have a bad check written to you to try to collect on. > If the customer wrote a check to the USPS and the check bounced, the > customer owes the USPS, not you. Certainly, the permit holder is also > liable. However, the writer of the bad check is the first to be chased by > collection companies. > >> And the Post Office will try to collect from the Permit Holder (you) >> first >> before they worry about who actually wrote the check. > What experience can you share with us? > > > Please reply to Simon Sheers at: > > > Sheer Graphics Inc. > 47 Chestnut Avenue, > Westmont, IL 60559-1127 > Tel: (630) 654-4422 > > Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From liberty.printing at cox.net Wed May 2 12:18:45 2007 From: liberty.printing at cox.net (Tom Hodgkinson) Date: Wed May 2 13:22:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 4/color 38" press wanted Message-ID: <002001c78cd5$8f2fddb0$0201a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Ok, I know this is a long shot but I just want to put it out there. Does anyone on this list know of anyone with an old 4/color press sitting around collecting dust. Looking for something really cheap or free. If it's broke I can fix it (possilbly). Need something that has a shot at running again though, something with all the parts there. Tom Hodgkinson Liberty Printing 247 Quaker Lane West Warwick, RI 02893 401-828-0178 From thomas_manil_rego at yahoo.com Wed May 2 23:09:46 2007 From: thomas_manil_rego at yahoo.com (Thomas Manil Rego) Date: Thu May 3 03:45:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 4/color 38" press wanted In-Reply-To: <002001c78cd5$8f2fddb0$0201a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <438203.48700.qm@web53005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dear Tom, We have a Sumitomo miller 38" 4 color press.Its in mint conditon and works really well.It has a Alcolor dampening sysytem and remote registration for Lateral and circumferential adjustments.It has no cocking.Please let me know if you are really interested. Regards Thomas Manil Rego +919845017557 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bernies at printnetusa.com Wed May 2 18:24:13 2007 From: bernies at printnetusa.com (Bernie Schreiber) Date: Thu May 3 03:46:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Billboards Message-ID: <026501c78d08$9d16cb40$0b000078@bernie> Would appreciate input from anyone who has used billboards for advertising. 1. Did you find them to be effective? 2. What type of board did you use? A. L.E.D. Board? Size? Location: Hwy, Nearby Street, etc.? No. of Advertisers? How long did you use it? B. Reg. Panel Board Size? Location: Hwy, Nearby Street, etc.? How long did you use it? C. 3-Rotation Prism Board Size? Location: Hwy, Nearby Street, etc.? No. of Advertisers? How long did you use it? What is your overall rating of this type of advertising? Thanks Bernie Schreiber PrintNet USA, Inc. 7005 Westbelt Drive Nashville, TN 37209 615.385.9100.....Fax: 615.298.4234 bernies@printnetusa.com From brian at designotype.com Thu May 3 08:15:44 2007 From: brian at designotype.com (Brian Helminen) Date: Thu May 3 08:15:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Full-time, Defined References: <001801c78c31$89fb9180$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> Message-ID: <01b001c78d7c$c728cef0$6a01a8c0@brianspc> What is generally considered full-time work in our industry? The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) does not define full-time employment or part-time employment; rather, this is generally a matter of agreement between the employer and the employee. WE do not have this defined in our employee manual. We have an employee that wants to cut back her hours and I'm wondering at what point do I or can I cut her benefits? Brian Helminen Designotype Printers, Inc. 22950 Airpark Blvd. Calumet, MI 49913 906-482-2424 Fax 906-482-2266 www.designotype.com From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Thu May 3 08:33:13 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Thu May 3 08:34:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Full-time, Defined In-Reply-To: <01b001c78d7c$c728cef0$6a01a8c0@brianspc> References: <001801c78c31$89fb9180$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> <01b001c78d7c$c728cef0$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Message-ID: Brian, what do you mean by benefits. If it is health or life insurance, check with your insurance carrier. Mine says either 25 or 30 hours (can't remember right now). Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Brian Helminen Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 7:16 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Full-time, Defined ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** What is generally considered full-time work in our industry? The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) does not define full-time employment or part-time employment; rather, this is generally a matter of agreement between the employer and the employee. WE do not have this defined in our employee manual. We have an employee that wants to cut back her hours and I'm wondering at what point do I or can I cut her benefits? E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.182) Database version: 5.07200 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From russ at mobile-print.com Thu May 3 09:41:53 2007 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Thu May 3 08:43:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Full-time, Defined In-Reply-To: <01b001c78d7c$c728cef0$6a01a8c0@brianspc> References: <001801c78c31$89fb9180$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> <01b001c78d7c$c728cef0$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Message-ID: <4639E6A1.2010108@mobile-print.com> > What is generally considered full-time work in our industry? > The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) does not define full-time > employment or part-time employment; rather, this is generally a matter > of agreement between the employer and the employee. WE do not have > this defined in our employee manual. > We have an employee that wants to cut back her hours and I'm wondering > at what point do I or can I cut her benefits? > I believe full-time is often defined by the employer in conjunction with your insurance carrier. For example, our health insurance defines full-time as a minimum of 35 hours per week. Our employee manual defines full-time as 40 hours per week. Most employees put in 2 to 6 hours OT per week, depending on how busy we are. Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847-398-6155 Fax: 847-398-0788 From jedwards at printzilla.net Thu May 3 09:10:09 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Thu May 3 09:12:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Full-time, Defined In-Reply-To: <01b001c78d7c$c728cef0$6a01a8c0@brianspc> References: <001801c78c31$89fb9180$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> <01b001c78d7c$c728cef0$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Message-ID: On May 3, 2007, at 7:15 AM, Brian Helminen wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > What is generally considered full-time work in our industry? I was thinking about this just recently. I have come to the conclusion that until you become self employed all employment is part time. Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas From brian at designotype.com Thu May 3 09:34:26 2007 From: brian at designotype.com (Brian Helminen) Date: Thu May 3 09:34:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Full-time, Defined References: <001801c78c31$89fb9180$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local><01b001c78d7c$c728cef0$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Message-ID: <023b01c78d87$c4d31e20$6a01a8c0@brianspc> We do not pay for health insurance, although at one time we did and this employee is getting compensated higher so she can buy her own health insurance. The benefits that we provide are paid holidays, eye check-ups, 3 weeks vacation per year, fitness membership and a SEP IRA plan. Brian Helminen Designotype Printers, Inc. 22950 Airpark Blvd. Calumet, MI 49913 906-482-2424 Fax 906-482-2266 www.designotype.com ----- Original Message ----- > > Brian, what do you mean by benefits. If it is health or life insurance, > check with your insurance carrier. Mine says either 25 or 30 hours (can't > remember right now). From mail at myprinter.biz Thu May 3 09:49:15 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Thu May 3 09:51:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Full-time, Defined In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jack - Thanks for the laugh. I never knew there were more than 24 hours in a day until my business required me to work them. I'm betting that each of us that have nursed start-ups or turn-arounds have, at least at one time, been the lowest paid hourly worker in their business. Having to make payroll can be daunting. Until you've been on both sides of the desk, you have no clue. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Jack Edwards Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:10 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Full-time, Defined ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On May 3, 2007, at 7:15 AM, Brian Helminen wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > What is generally considered full-time work in our industry? I was thinking about this just recently. I have come to the conclusion that until you become self employed all employment is part time. Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu May 3 10:36:54 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu May 3 10:37:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Full-time, Defined Message-ID: In a message dated 5/3/2007 9:52:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mail@myprinter.biz writes: I'm betting that each of us that have nursed start-ups or turn-arounds have, at least at one time, been the lowest paid hourly worker in their business. It isn't a question of whether the owners have been the lowest paid, but whether they are able to cash the checks accumulating in their desk drawers. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From kurt at qpgraphics.biz Thu May 3 11:35:18 2007 From: kurt at qpgraphics.biz (Kurt A. Kroh) Date: Thu May 3 11:35:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Door hangers with a reflective stripe In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000301c78d98$a7b91ae0$0a01a8c0@KurtWXP> There is a reflective vinyl material that can be cut into shapes on amy sign cutter. You would need to apply by hand but this would provide a solution. This material can be printed on using either a resen or solvent printer. Feel free to contact me if you have any further questions. Kurt A. Kroh Quality Plus Design and Graphisc kurt@qpgraphics.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bob Gallagher Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 10:05 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Door hangers with a reflective stripe ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On 5/1/07 11:23 AM, "Michael Foster" wrote: > We have a customer who is looking for a door hanger with a reflective > stripe on it, so that it can easily be seen in the dark with a > flashlight.....anybody have any ideas??? > TIA Print the stripe with fluorescent ink. You will have to double bump it for it to be effective. Bob Gallagher Gallagher Printing, Inc. 601 W. Main Street Palmyra, PA 17078 717-838-1527 1-888-838-1527 Fax 717-838-5715 An Adobe Service Provider A Microsoft Publisher Provider Member, Adobe Solutions Network _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From robin at protypeonline.com Thu May 3 11:54:56 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Thu May 3 11:54:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Full-time, Defined Message-ID: <88D41C23-3315-4D66-82D1-E28F1DE21687@protypeonline.com> Brian, my employee policy manual states that full-time is a min. of 32 hours per 5-day work week. Anything under that employees are considered part-time and part-time can be permanent or temporary, but neither qualifies for benefits -- medical -- I don't offer insurance but a medical reimbursement plan ($5000 per employee per year), paid holidays, sick days, etc. HOWEVER, I am required to allow them to participate in our simple IRA if they elect. I believe the others are correct, IF you offer an insurance policy, the company may dictate or define for you. There are tons of people that want a job, but very few that want to work! Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From peter at keystonepress.com Thu May 3 12:04:31 2007 From: peter at keystonepress.com (Peter Church) Date: Thu May 3 12:06:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Does anyone own a ECRM Mako 2 CTP system? Message-ID: <002201c78d9c$bd167a50$7d01a8c0@key.local> We have been using one for about three years now. We run AGFA metal plates. It does a real good job for the most part. But... We intermittently have sharp half point lines across the plate. Not every plate, just, maybe 5% of the plates. It is obviously in the plate setter not the processor, the laser seems to be miss-firing a full line if image when it should not. We have had countless conversations with the service people and the manufacturer. They suggested replacing the power conditioner and we did. They suggested putting the system in a more controlled environment. It is currently in office space, not out on the shop floor. We have added more airconditioning. The problem happens both when it is cool and when it is hot, so I do not think it is really lack of air conditioning. Does anyone have on of these systems and do you have similar problems? Thanks, Peter Church Keystone Press, LLC 9 Old Falls Road Manchester, NH 03103 phone: 603-622-5222 fax: 603-622-9432 From michael at wolfiesprint.com Thu May 3 13:52:10 2007 From: michael at wolfiesprint.com (Michael Wolf) Date: Thu May 3 13:53:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] BIBLE IMPRINTING In-Reply-To: <2968673e21a91ae9e4451280e0e49880@eos.net> Message-ID: WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THE KINGSLY HOT FOIL UNITS ( 1 X Automatic, 1 x hand) THAT COULD DO THIS WE HAVE BOXES AND BOXES OF FONTS, FOIL COLORS, (ALL THE ACCESSORIES TO IMPRINT ALMOST ANYTHING) - PAID $10.000 FOR THEM - WOULD GLADLY TAKE $2500 FOR THE LOT ?? Michael Wolf THE WOLF PRINTING CO 714-491-0500 michael@wolfiesprint.com Print, Document Imaging, Mailing, Posters, Stamps & Creative Ideas! -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Finke Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 7:59 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] bible imprinting ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** A religious bookstore recently opened across the street from us, and asked if we would be interested in offering Bible imprinting. They don't want to do it themselves, which is not necessarily an indication that it wouldn't pay -- they have a very small staff and want to stick to bookselling only. Does anyone here offer this? What sort of equipment does it require? (The bookstore told us they would use a machine from Howard Imprinting, but I don't know if that's what people usually use or not.) 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Printing _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2232 (20070430) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From peggiprice at hotmail.com Thu May 3 14:02:09 2007 From: peggiprice at hotmail.com (Peggi Price) Date: Thu May 3 14:02:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Medical Reimbursement In-Reply-To: <88D41C23-3315-4D66-82D1-E28F1DE21687@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: Robin (and anyone else that wants to chime in): How does that work? Are you insured for it or self insuring? How many employees do you have (in other words, your maximum liabilty is 5000 x how many????) Does it include spouse/family? I have a tons of questions regarding this. Anyone else have innovative solutions to the health care issue? We also used to provide health insurance and it just became the one expense we could no longer afford - for coverage that no one could afford to use, because of the high deductible. At this point we're waiting on the Vermont legislature which has passed a lower cost health plan for people without health insurance but they're still working out the details which won't be finalized until Sept./Oct. Our employees make too much to qualify for any of the reduced rates and would pay the top rate of $340/month but it's better coverage than anything we can afford to get for them. As far as I know they would need to pick it up themselves so the next question would be how to reimburse people with the goal that the reimbursement would go towards the purchasing their own health insurance. Vermont is not yet insisting that everyone have health insurance as Massachusetts apparently is, so any pay increase may not necessarily be used for health coverage and therefore the additional pay may not be used for keeping the work force healthy (which is the philosophical reason I can see for employer provided health care). And just a general survey. What is everyone offering for health care benefits? Peggi Price Inkspot Press Manchester Center, Vermont and Bennington, Vermont >From: Robin Niewold >Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > >To: printowners printowners >Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Full-time, Defined Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 >10:54:56 -0500 > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Brian, >my employee policy manual states that full-time is a min. of 32 hours per >5-day work week. Anything under that employees are considered part-time >and part-time can be permanent or temporary, but neither qualifies for >benefits -- medical -- I don't offer insurance but a medical reimbursement >plan ($5000 per employee per year), paid holidays, sick days, etc. >HOWEVER, I am required to allow them to participate in our simple IRA if >they elect. > >I believe the others are correct, IF you offer an insurance policy, the >company may dictate or define for you. > >There are tons of people that want a job, but very few that want to work! > > >Robin Niewold >Pro-Type Printing >130 N. Market Street >Paxton, IL 60957 >217.379.4715 >robin@protypeonline.com > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _________________________________________________________________ Watch free concerts with Pink, Rod Stewart, Oasis and more. Visit MSN In Concert today. http://music.msn.com/presents?icid=ncmsnpresentstagline From armand at curryonline.com Thu May 3 14:10:08 2007 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Thu May 3 14:10:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Medical Reimbursement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0MKpCa-1Hjfkn3iot-0007iB@mrelay.perfora.net> Our staff is covered by Aetna HMO. It is a very rich plan. Our cost is $371.00 per month and the company pays 80% of the policy premium. We use to pay 100% but our health insurance premiums continued to sky rocket every year. I gave every a choice of continuing to pay 100% with reduced benefits or continue our rich plan and they pay the difference. The all voted to stay with the better plan. That tells me that health insurance is a very valuable benefit. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Peggi Price Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 2:02 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Medical Reimbursement ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Robin (and anyone else that wants to chime in): How does that work? Are you insured for it or self insuring? How many employees do you have (in other words, your maximum liabilty is 5000 x how many????) Does it include spouse/family? I have a tons of questions regarding this. Anyone else have innovative solutions to the health care issue? We also used to provide health insurance and it just became the one expense we could no longer afford - for coverage that no one could afford to use, because of the high deductible. At this point we're waiting on the Vermont legislature which has passed a lower cost health plan for people without health insurance but they're still working out the details which won't be finalized until Sept./Oct. Our employees make too much to qualify for any of the reduced rates and would pay the top rate of $340/month but it's better coverage than anything we can afford to get for them. As far as I know they would need to pick it up themselves so the next question would be how to reimburse people with the goal that the reimbursement would go towards the purchasing their own health insurance. Vermont is not yet insisting that everyone have health insurance as Massachusetts apparently is, so any pay increase may not necessarily be used for health coverage and therefore the additional pay may not be used for keeping the work force healthy (which is the philosophical reason I can see for employer provided health care). And just a general survey. What is everyone offering for health care benefits? Peggi Price Inkspot Press Manchester Center, Vermont and Bennington, Vermont >From: Robin Niewold >Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > >To: printowners printowners >Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Full-time, Defined Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 >10:54:56 -0500 > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Brian, >my employee policy manual states that full-time is a min. of 32 hours per >5-day work week. Anything under that employees are considered part-time >and part-time can be permanent or temporary, but neither qualifies for >benefits -- medical -- I don't offer insurance but a medical reimbursement >plan ($5000 per employee per year), paid holidays, sick days, etc. >HOWEVER, I am required to allow them to participate in our simple IRA if >they elect. > >I believe the others are correct, IF you offer an insurance policy, the >company may dictate or define for you. > >There are tons of people that want a job, but very few that want to work! > > >Robin Niewold >Pro-Type Printing >130 N. Market Street >Paxton, IL 60957 >217.379.4715 >robin@protypeonline.com > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _________________________________________________________________ Watch free concerts with Pink, Rod Stewart, Oasis and more. Visit MSN In Concert today. http://music.msn.com/presents?icid=ncmsnpresentstagline _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From brian at designotype.com Thu May 3 14:38:18 2007 From: brian at designotype.com (Brian Helminen) Date: Thu May 3 14:38:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Full-time, Defined References: <88D41C23-3315-4D66-82D1-E28F1DE21687@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <029a01c78db2$38f31ba0$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Robin Wrote: ----- Original Message ----- > my employee policy manual states that full-time is a min. of 32 hours > per 5-day work week. Anything under that employees are considered > part-time and part-time can be permanent or temporary, but neither > qualifies for benefits -- medical -- I don't offer insurance but a > medical reimbursement plan ($5000 per employee per year), paid holidays, > sick days, etc. > HOWEVER, I am required to allow them to participate in our simple IRA if > they elect. > Who are you required to allow to participate? Only full-timers, I would assume? For our SEP IRA, I think it's just full time people that are required to be allowed to participate. Brian Helminen Designotype Printers, Inc. 22950 Airpark Blvd. Calumet, MI 49913 906-482-2424 Fax 906-482-2266 www.designotype.com From info at ospdirect.com Thu May 3 14:55:04 2007 From: info at ospdirect.com (One Source Printing) Date: Thu May 3 14:55:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Does anyone own a ECRM Mako 2 CTP system? References: <002201c78d9c$bd167a50$7d01a8c0@key.local> Message-ID: <012c01c78db4$925f3050$0f24230a@charles> Peter-- We have had a similar problem with a different type of imagesetter. Went through the same kind of things you mentioned. The problem turned out to be within the drive mechanism. Basically, the drive wheel which moves the material through the machine was occasionally slipping. Causing the material to momentarily pause, which resulted in thin lines (over exposed) on the plates Apparently it had worn just enough to cause an intermittent problem. We were able to "fix" it by wrapping red litho tape around the perimeter of the drive wheel. We started suspecting the drive mechanism when we actually measured a test plate imaged at a maximum size. Ours were coming out short. Obviously, if the media must move at a fixed rate. Any deviation in speed will cause a problem like you mention. Could be as simple as cleaning, lubrication, a worn gear or guide. Just my .02 Charles Corn One Source Printing and Graphics 713-686-9777 . 713-686-8188 Fax 5810 Dierker Drive . Houston, Texas 77041 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Church" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 11:04 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Does anyone own a ECRM Mako 2 CTP system? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have been using one for about three years now. We run AGFA metal plates. > It does a real good job for the most part. But... > > We intermittently have sharp half point lines across the plate. Not every > plate, just, maybe 5% of the plates. It is obviously in the plate setter > not the processor, the laser seems to be miss-firing a full line if image > when it should not. > > We have had countless conversations with the service people and the > manufacturer. They suggested replacing the power conditioner and we did. > They suggested putting the system in a more controlled environment. It is > currently in office space, not out on the shop floor. We have added more > airconditioning. The problem happens both when it is cool and when it is > hot, so I do not think it is really lack of air conditioning. > > Does anyone have on of these systems and do you have similar problems? > > Thanks, > > Peter Church > Keystone Press, LLC > 9 Old Falls Road > Manchester, NH 03103 > phone: 603-622-5222 > fax: 603-622-9432 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From ep101 at technaprint.com Thu May 3 14:58:33 2007 From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson) Date: Thu May 3 14:58:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Medical Reimbursement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Robin (and anyone else that wants to chime in): > > How does that work? Are you insured for it or self insuring? How many > employees do you have (in other words, your maximum liabilty is 5000 x how > many????) Does it include spouse/family? I have a tons of questions > regarding this. Anyone else have innovative solutions to the health care > issue? > Peggi, Like everyone else being faced with increasingly expensive health care options, we needed to make a change. We implemented a M.E.R.P. three years ago. It's saved us $20-$30K in premiums over that time. We're at 15 employees. The way we work ours, we kicked what used to be a $500-deductible plan up to $2,500 initially and have since gone to $3,000 due to a plan change requirement. In any case, the plan has $30 co-pays for office visits which keeps my recordkeeping down to almost nothing. Prescriptions also fall into the co-pay realm. For other non-office visit items, we basically self-insure for up to 80% of the deductible (max $2,400 per employee to us). Our carrier is the arbiter of what is and what isn't a payable claim so we don't get into that potential can of worms. The mechanics of the system is that the provider bills the insurance for the subscriber. We get the discounts they've agreed to offer the insurance company. The EOB (Explanation of Benefits) comes back with the discounts applied and the net disallowed due to the fact the deductible hasn't yet been met (in all but extreme cases: read pregnancies). The employee turns in the EOB and direct bill from the provider to them reflecting the net amount. We cut the provider a check for 80% and the employee is on for the other 20%. Families are covered, but not $2,400 per person so there's a potential risk there if all got seriously ill. The plan has a max out of pocket $6,000 including deductible so the employee is potentially at risk for $600 (20% of deductible) and $3,000 more to hit the max out of pocket (more for families). After that everything is covered. In Oregon our policy including pharmacy is costing us just over $205/mo. per employee. Again, we split this with our crew 80%/20%. If anyone would like a copy of the agreement we give our employees annually, please email me privately and I'll send you one. You may modify at your pleasure for use in your own application. The way we looked at this is that we're saving $1,000+ per month in premium. If all 15 got extremely ill and ran through their deductibles, we'd be out 15*$2,400 or $36,000; the odds of this happening are zero. In just over three years we will have saved that in premiums (net of claims paid which tend to run about $4,000 per year). They were a bit over that last year with a pregnancy. In any event, if you're able to self-insure a little, you can save a lot. The reason we went this way is that HSAs are a portable benefit. We didn't want to give folks another tax-free benefit that they can walk with when they leave. We've already got the 401(k) going. In the case of the M.E.R.P when they leave, the obligation leaves. They can continue the high-deductible plan under C.O.B.R.A., but the M.E.R.P. benefit doesn't need to continue based on the way our agreement is written up. Questions? Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com From tammie at macombprinter.com Thu May 3 15:07:33 2007 From: tammie at macombprinter.com (Tammie at Quickprinters) Date: Thu May 3 15:08:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bar Codes (Bryce 13K) In-Reply-To: <012c01c78db4$925f3050$0f24230a@charles> Message-ID: We have a customer that is wanting employee name tags that will have a bar code. We haven't ever printed anything with a bar code, so I'm not even sure how that works, but we are awaiting delivery for a Bryce 13K printer any day now. Is this something that we can use this for? Thanks, Tammie Tammie Speer, owner **************** Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ______________________________ QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com/ A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ Or call for a FREE CD full of information. ______________________________ From goodway at goodwayprintcopy.com Thu May 3 15:55:24 2007 From: goodway at goodwayprintcopy.com (Goodway Print and Copy) Date: Thu May 3 15:55:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox & clicks and 242 model In-Reply-To: <46638.192.168.1.35.1176855483.webmail@192.168.1.35> References: <200704141844.l3EIiuw2020141@i2bnetworks.com><200704171650.l3HGoMIU072303@i2bnetworks.com><001801c78119$0b14da70$0500a8c0@Nancy>52896.192.168.1.70.1176834763.webmail@192.168.1.70<037201c7812f$ce652690$6e01a8c0@aero> <46638.192.168.1.35.1176855483.webmail@192.168.1.35> Message-ID: <008701c78dbc$fd818380$660000c8@LeslieXP> My latest quote for a Xerox 242 is Lease only 15k allowance plan is 895(.059) and overs are .049 Leslie McDonald GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC. 15121 Ventura Blvd. Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Phone:(818) 783-5172 Fax:(818)783-8649 goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com www.goodwayprintcopy.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of rob@pdiprint.com Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:18 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Xerox & clicks ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We leased ours through xerox. We ran the numbers and found their rates were pretty comparable to what our bank would have given us. Then on top of that you got to save money on clicks. When we did our coparison, we found that about 10,000 clicks per month (color click that is) was the break even between their differences in clicks between leasing and buying. They would not go lower on our clicks if we bought the machine, so that would have been the .069 or locked in @ .073. In the first year we are saving .016 cents per click. 10,000 x .016 = $160.00. We were already averaging 10000 clicks per month, so it was a no brainer. Rob Robertson -----Original Message----- From: "Carl Core" Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 4:34 pm To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Xerox & clicks ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Rob: Is your situtation a purchase or a lease? We bought a 240 like Nancy and will probably have the same issues after June 8th anniversary date. Carl Core, Jr. Aero Printing, Inc. 710 Elida Ave Delphos, OH 45833 Ph. 419-695-2931 Fax 419-695-9930 info@aeroprinting.com www.aeroprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Xerox & clicks ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Nancy- We just installed ours the other day. ASk them for a fixed price. We are paying $.0539 per color and the same as you on the B&W. We are fixed for 5 years. Rob Robertson Pritning Department, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: "Nancy" Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 1:51 pm To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox & clicks ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Last year we purchased a X240 and thanks to Larry Hunt was able to write a pretty good deal. However we signed a 1 year Maintenance Agreement (instead of a multiple year) at .069 color & .0129 Black. This year the renwal came in at .0725 color & .0135 black. Is this standard??? Has anyone else had this problem? Is there anything I can do to combat this increase? TIA Nan Nancy Middleton The Printing Place, Inc. 5878 Cook Road, Suite F Milford, OH 45150 nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax 877/248-8774 Toll Free www.theprintingplaceinc.com we now have web hosting _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From robin at protypeonline.com Thu May 3 16:05:35 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Thu May 3 16:05:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: RE: Full-time, Defined Message-ID: Brian...according to the bank that administers our simple IRA I am required to offer the benefit (max. 3% matching funds) to all employees, regardless of full or part-time -- as long as they are permanent and not temporary help. Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From robin at protypeonline.com Thu May 3 16:18:08 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Thu May 3 16:17:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Medical Reimbursement Message-ID: I am not a lawyer but the plan was drawn up by an attorney and has passed IRS eyes without any alarms going off -- just so happens that this same attorney offers his employees the same thing. IT IS NOT INSURANCE. Email me if you would like me to send you a pdf of the document -- very short, simple. Each full-time employee is entitled to $5000 medical expense reimbursement each year -- paid out monthly -- $416.67/month...if you don't use it in jan. then in Feb. you have double -- don't use it in Jan or Feb....then you have $416 x 3, etc... it will only accumulate until the end of our fiscal year, 12/31 -- and at that time you either use it or lose it! Employees submit receipts to bookeeper the last pay period of every month and they are reimbursed monthly. What qualifies? Any expense that qualifies as a tax deductible medical expense by the IRS. Some examples: one of my employees uses her $5,000 to purchase her own medical insurance policy -- her husband and their two kids are on his policy. another employee's husband has fantastic insurance and it covers both their kids and them....it is taken out of his paycheck but only comes to about $3000/year....she presents his pay stub at the end of every year and we reimburse her. She can use the remaining funds during the year for prescriptions, deductibles -- anything his insurance might not cover but qualifies by IRS standards....such as eyeglasses, orthopedic shoes, ambulance service? Years ago, I had an employee that did NOT have custody of her two children but was legally responsible for 50% of their medical expenses. We were able to pay that. This is an expense for me and non-taxable income to my staff and incredibly flexible and they love it. Currently I have 5 full-time employees, two part-time (permanent) and I don't qualify as the owner because I am not (yet) incorporated -- NO LECTURES PLEASE! and I have a new full-time CSR starting May 14 -- recruited her from a local bank! Now, this is all legal in Illinois - I have no idea how it would work in other states. email me directly if you want a pdf of the document....like I said, pretty simple. OH.....one more thing, I do not currently pay s.s., unemployment, workers' comp on this -- according to the insurance guy that covers my workmen's comp -- I'm okay until I get bigger? Everytime the IRS looks our way, I flood them with up-to-date records, yadda, yadda -- more documentation than they want or need and so far, so good! Gosh, I hope I didn't just jinx myself! :) Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Thu May 3 16:34:49 2007 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Thu May 3 16:35:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Medical Reimbursement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <463A4769.9090609@sugarloafprint.com> Hi Robin I would love a copy of that PDF. Thank You Have you considered uploading the file to the archives at PONG http://groups.google.com/group/PrintOwnersNG/files -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From Rob at pdiprint.com Thu May 3 17:03:07 2007 From: Rob at pdiprint.com (Rob Robertson) Date: Thu May 3 17:03:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox & clicks and 242 model In-Reply-To: <008701c78dbc$fd818380$660000c8@LeslieXP> References: <200704141844.l3EIiuw2020141@i2bnetworks.com><200704171650.l3HGoMIU072303@i2bnetworks.com><001801c78119$0b14da70$0500a8c0@Nancy>52896.192.168.1.70.1176834763.webmail@192.168.1.70<037201c7812f$ce652690$6e01a8c0@aero><46638.192.168.1.35.1176855483.webmail@192.168.1.35> <008701c78dbc$fd818380$660000c8@LeslieXP> Message-ID: We have no clicks included and they locked in for 5 years. Insist on it. Tell them you are looking at a KM 6500. Rob Robertson President Printing Department, Inc. 2108 Spencer Road Richmond, Virginia 23230 (804) 282-2739 Fax (804) 285-4325 www.pdiprint.com / www.mailingresources.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Goodway Print and Copy Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 3:55 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Xerox & clicks and 242 model ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** My latest quote for a Xerox 242 is Lease only 15k allowance plan is 895(.059) and overs are .049 Leslie McDonald GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC. 15121 Ventura Blvd. Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Phone:(818) 783-5172 Fax:(818)783-8649 goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com www.goodwayprintcopy.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of rob@pdiprint.com Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:18 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Xerox & clicks ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We leased ours through xerox. We ran the numbers and found their rates were pretty comparable to what our bank would have given us. Then on top of that you got to save money on clicks. When we did our coparison, we found that about 10,000 clicks per month (color click that is) was the break even between their differences in clicks between leasing and buying. They would not go lower on our clicks if we bought the machine, so that would have been the .069 or locked in @ .073. In the first year we are saving .016 cents per click. 10,000 x .016 = $160.00. We were already averaging 10000 clicks per month, so it was a no brainer. Rob Robertson -----Original Message----- From: "Carl Core" Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 4:34 pm To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Xerox & clicks ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Rob: Is your situtation a purchase or a lease? We bought a 240 like Nancy and will probably have the same issues after June 8th anniversary date. Carl Core, Jr. Aero Printing, Inc. 710 Elida Ave Delphos, OH 45833 Ph. 419-695-2931 Fax 419-695-9930 info@aeroprinting.com www.aeroprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Xerox & clicks ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Nancy- We just installed ours the other day. ASk them for a fixed price. We are paying $.0539 per color and the same as you on the B&W. We are fixed for 5 years. Rob Robertson Pritning Department, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: "Nancy" Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 1:51 pm To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox & clicks ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Last year we purchased a X240 and thanks to Larry Hunt was able to write a pretty good deal. However we signed a 1 year Maintenance Agreement (instead of a multiple year) at .069 color & .0129 Black. This year the renwal came in at .0725 color & .0135 black. Is this standard??? Has anyone else had this problem? Is there anything I can do to combat this increase? TIA Nan Nancy Middleton The Printing Place, Inc. 5878 Cook Road, Suite F Milford, OH 45150 nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax 877/248-8774 Toll Free www.theprintingplaceinc.com we now have web hosting _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _____________ NOD32 EMON 2237 (20070503) information _____________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _____________ NOD32 EMON 2237 (20070503) information _____________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com From ron at printingconcepts.com Thu May 3 18:10:12 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Thu May 3 17:05:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Full-time, Defined In-Reply-To: <88D41C23-3315-4D66-82D1-E28F1DE21687@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: We define it as 35 hours per week. We had a guy chronically putting in short weeks, so we had to define it further as cannot be under 35 hours more than 3 times in a three month period, and we don't accept an AVERAGE of 35 hours per week. Easy to miss work and then next week try to scam in some OT. Exceptions, of course, for vacation, or going home early when we're slow. And if they dip below that, they lose their insurance and cannot regain it until the next enrollment period. They also then accrue vacation only at a part-time rate. With employment stuff, you need to have some precision about then what happens and what is the trigger point that makes someone part-time. Beware the employee (for us, it was usually new mothers) who say they'll put in their 35 in four days to keep their benefits. They forget their commitment pretty quickly. Per usual, we had to make these rules because of one abuser of the system. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 11:55 AM To: printowners printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Full-time, Defined ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Brian, my employee policy manual states that full-time is a min. of 32 hours per 5-day work week. Anything under that employees are considered part-time and part-time can be permanent or temporary, but neither qualifies for benefits -- medical -- I don't offer insurance but a medical reimbursement plan ($5000 per employee per year), paid holidays, sick days, etc. HOWEVER, I am required to allow them to participate in our simple IRA if they elect. I believe the others are correct, IF you offer an insurance policy, the company may dictate or define for you. There are tons of people that want a job, but very few that want to work! Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From thom at acepm.com Thu May 3 17:38:39 2007 From: thom at acepm.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Thu May 3 17:38:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bar Codes (Bryce 13K) In-Reply-To: References: <012c01c78db4$925f3050$0f24230a@charles> Message-ID: <025001c78dcb$69a66ae0$3cf340a0$@com> Sure you can! However, it would be EASIER and CLEANER coming from a laser printer. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing 10 South Main Street Berlin, Maryland 21811-1427 410-641-3636 / FAX 410-641-1167 Web Page: www.ACEPM.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider and a Microsoft Publisher Service Provider. We offer mailing services for First, Second and Standard class mailings. We handle everything from concept...to printing...to mailing! Ask us how we can SAVE YOU MONEY!!! -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tammie at Quickprinters Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 3:08 PM To: Printowners List Subject: [PrintOwners] Bar Codes (Bryce 13K) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have a customer that is wanting employee name tags that will have a bar code. We haven't ever printed anything with a bar code, so I'm not even sure how that works, but we are awaiting delivery for a Bryce 13K printer any day now. Is this something that we can use this for? Thanks, Tammie Tammie Speer, owner **************** Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ______________________________ QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com/ A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ Or call for a FREE CD full of information. ______________________________ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dcarlile at printfresno.com Thu May 3 18:17:42 2007 From: dcarlile at printfresno.com (Doug Carlile) Date: Thu May 3 18:17:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox & clicks and 242 model In-Reply-To: References: <200704141844.l3EIiuw2020141@i2bnetworks.com> <200704171650.l3HGoMIU072303@i2bnetworks.com> <001801c78119$0b14da70$0500a8c0@Nancy> <037201c7812f$ce652690$6e01a8c0@aero> <46638.192.168.1.35.1176855483.webmail@192.168.1.35> <008701c78dbc$fd818380$660000c8@LeslieXP> Message-ID: <20070503221746.7E08181CC21@rb.enter.net> What is monthly charge for unlimited copies? Doug Carlile Professional Print & Mail Fresno, CA From bill at mauiprintworks.com Thu May 3 18:38:51 2007 From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works) Date: Thu May 3 18:39:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Full-time, Defined In-Reply-To: <01b001c78d7c$c728cef0$6a01a8c0@brianspc> References: <001801c78c31$89fb9180$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> <01b001c78d7c$c728cef0$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Message-ID: In Hawaii, (Hawaii Labor Law) over 20 hours a week makes an employee eligible for full time benefits, and it is required (by law) to provide medical coverage for any full time employees. Now some might think that's a hard financial burden to lay on employers, but it's an important needed benefit, and levels the playing field with any competitors. If a (valuable) employee drastically cut back hours and still wanted benefits I'd negotiate a shared cost. Since the employee is wanting to cut back hours I think it puts You in position to re-negotiate (pay and benefits). I just had one employee go back to school, I was about to give him a pay raise, but instead his hours cut back and I kept him on medical (no pay raise). Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku, HI 96793 (808)242-6634 Fax (808)242-8967 bill@mauiprintworks.com www. mauiprintworks.com > > What is generally considered full-time work in our industry? > The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) does not define full-time > employment or part-time employment; rather, this is generally a matter > of agreement between the employer and the employee. WE do not have > this defined in our employee manual. > We have an employee that wants to cut back her hours and I'm wondering > at what point do I or can I cut her benefits? > > Brian Helminen > Designotype Printers, Inc. > 22950 Airpark Blvd. > Calumet, MI 49913 > 906-482-2424 > Fax 906-482-2266 > www.designotype.com > _______________________________________________ From goodway at goodwayprintcopy.com Thu May 3 18:44:39 2007 From: goodway at goodwayprintcopy.com (Goodway Print and Copy) Date: Thu May 3 18:44:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox & clicks and 242 model In-Reply-To: <20070503221746.7E08181CC21@rb.enter.net> References: <200704141844.l3EIiuw2020141@i2bnetworks.com><200704171650.l3HGoMIU072303@i2bnetworks.com><001801c78119$0b14da70$0500a8c0@Nancy><037201c7812f$ce652690$6e01a8c0@aero><46638.192.168.1.35.1176855483.webmail@192.168.1.35><008701c78dbc$fd818380$660000c8@LeslieXP> <20070503221746.7E08181CC21@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <004401c78dd4$a2591a00$660000c8@LeslieXP> 100 base and .069 Leslie McDonald GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC. 15121 Ventura Blvd. Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Phone:(818) 783-5172 Fax:(818)783-8649 goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com www.goodwayprintcopy.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Doug Carlile Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 3:18 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Xerox & clicks and 242 model ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** What is monthly charge for unlimited copies? Doug Carlile Professional Print & Mail Fresno, CA _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From goodway at goodwayprintcopy.com Thu May 3 18:46:23 2007 From: goodway at goodwayprintcopy.com (Goodway Print and Copy) Date: Thu May 3 18:46:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox & clicks and 242 model- In-Reply-To: <20070503221746.7E08181CC21@rb.enter.net> References: <200704141844.l3EIiuw2020141@i2bnetworks.com><200704171650.l3HGoMIU072303@i2bnetworks.com><001801c78119$0b14da70$0500a8c0@Nancy><037201c7812f$ce652690$6e01a8c0@aero><46638.192.168.1.35.1176855483.webmail@192.168.1.35><008701c78dbc$fd818380$660000c8@LeslieXP> <20070503221746.7E08181CC21@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <004501c78dd4$e0459c30$660000c8@LeslieXP> Correction .059 unlimited Leslie McDonald GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC. 15121 Ventura Blvd. Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Phone:(818) 783-5172 Fax:(818)783-8649 goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com www.goodwayprintcopy.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Doug Carlile Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 3:18 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Xerox & clicks and 242 model ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** What is monthly charge for unlimited copies? Doug Carlile Professional Print & Mail Fresno, CA _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From robin at protypeonline.com Thu May 3 19:40:49 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Thu May 3 19:40:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Medical Reimbursement Message-ID: Ron, I uploaded the pdf file of the medical reimbursement plan to PONG as you suggested....and also sent you a copy! :) Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From smc at sorrentomesa.com Thu May 3 20:59:13 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Thu May 3 20:59:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Medical Reimbursement In-Reply-To: <0MKpCa-1Hjfkn3iot-0007iB@mrelay.perfora.net> References: <0MKpCa-1Hjfkn3iot-0007iB@mrelay.perfora.net> Message-ID: <200705040059.l440x2dT011190@i2bnetworks.com> FWIW, we run our insurance through PIA and their MEWA Details: http://tinyurl.com/285oto Premiums are about 260$/month for the employees that are over 40 which includes $4000 Term life insurance (no big Whup but they throw it in) We pay 75% that for out of pocket of $195/month/employee I've always found PIA an excellent source of insurance coverage for not only medical but WC and liability as well. FWIW. S. At 11:10 AM 5/3/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Our staff is covered by Aetna HMO. It is a very rich plan. Our cost is >$371.00 per month and the company pays 80% of the policy premium. We use to >pay 100% but our health insurance premiums continued to sky rocket every >year. I gave every a choice of continuing to pay 100% with reduced benefits >or continue our rich plan and they pay the difference. The all voted to stay >with the better plan. That tells me that health insurance is a very valuable >benefit. > > >Armand Girard >Curry Printing & Mailing >31 Mill St >Auburn, ME 04210 > >email: armand@curryonline.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Peggi Price >Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 2:02 PM >To: printowners@printweb.org >Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Medical Reimbursement > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >Robin (and anyone else that wants to chime in): > >How does that work? Are you insured for it or self insuring? How many >employees do you have (in other words, your maximum liabilty is 5000 x how >many????) Does it include spouse/family? I have a tons of questions >regarding this. Anyone else have innovative solutions to the health care >issue? > >We also used to provide health insurance and it just became the one expense >we could no longer afford - for coverage that no one could afford to use, >because of the high deductible. At this point we're waiting on the Vermont >legislature which has passed a lower cost health plan for people without >health insurance but they're still working out the details which won't be >finalized until Sept./Oct. Our employees make too much to qualify for any of > >the reduced rates and would pay the top rate of $340/month but it's better >coverage than anything we can afford to get for them. As far as I know they >would need to pick it up themselves so the next question would be how to >reimburse people with the goal that the reimbursement would go towards the >purchasing their own health insurance. Vermont is not yet insisting that >everyone have health insurance as Massachusetts apparently is, so any pay >increase may not necessarily be used for health coverage and therefore the >additional pay may not be used for keeping the work force healthy (which is >the philosophical reason I can see for employer provided health care). > >And just a general survey. What is everyone offering for health care >benefits? > >Peggi Price >Inkspot Press >Manchester Center, Vermont >and >Bennington, Vermont > > >From: Robin Niewold > >Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > > >To: printowners printowners > >Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Full-time, Defined Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 > >10:54:56 -0500 > > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >Brian, > >my employee policy manual states that full-time is a min. of 32 hours per > >5-day work week. Anything under that employees are considered part-time > >and part-time can be permanent or temporary, but neither qualifies for > >benefits -- medical -- I don't offer insurance but a medical reimbursement > > >plan ($5000 per employee per year), paid holidays, sick days, etc. > >HOWEVER, I am required to allow them to participate in our simple IRA if > >they elect. > > > >I believe the others are correct, IF you offer an insurance policy, the > >company may dictate or define for you. > > > >There are tons of people that want a job, but very few that want to work! > > > > > >Robin Niewold > >Pro-Type Printing > >130 N. Market Street > >Paxton, IL 60957 > >217.379.4715 > >robin@protypeonline.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Watch free concerts with Pink, Rod Stewart, Oasis and more. Visit MSN In >Concert today. http://music.msn.com/presents?icid=ncmsnpresentstagline > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2237 (20070503) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From armand at curryonline.com Thu May 3 21:19:10 2007 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Thu May 3 21:19:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Medical Reimbursement In-Reply-To: <200705040059.l440x2dT011190@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <0MKpCa-1HjmS513S5-0007hU@mrelay.perfora.net> I'd love to get my health insurance coverage through PIA but they are substantially more expensive here in Maine. We have two situations here in Maine that make our health insurance coverage very expensive. One is that we have no age banding. In other words, rates are not based on age. The other problem is guaranteed issue. Insurance companies must cover pre-exiting conditions. All this is great for the insured but it makes insurance coverage very expensive. Most companies no longer write business in Maine. We only have a handful of companies we can choose from which limits competition, hence keeping prices high. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 8:59 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] RE: Medical Reimbursement ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** FWIW, we run our insurance through PIA and their MEWA Details: http://tinyurl.com/285oto Premiums are about 260$/month for the employees that are over 40 which includes $4000 Term life insurance (no big Whup but they throw it in) We pay 75% that for out of pocket of $195/month/employee I've always found PIA an excellent source of insurance coverage for not only medical but WC and liability as well. FWIW. S. At 11:10 AM 5/3/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Our staff is covered by Aetna HMO. It is a very rich plan. Our cost is >$371.00 per month and the company pays 80% of the policy premium. We use to >pay 100% but our health insurance premiums continued to sky rocket every >year. I gave every a choice of continuing to pay 100% with reduced benefits >or continue our rich plan and they pay the difference. The all voted to stay >with the better plan. That tells me that health insurance is a very valuable >benefit. > > >Armand Girard >Curry Printing & Mailing >31 Mill St >Auburn, ME 04210 > >email: armand@curryonline.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Peggi Price >Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 2:02 PM >To: printowners@printweb.org >Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Medical Reimbursement > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >Robin (and anyone else that wants to chime in): > >How does that work? Are you insured for it or self insuring? How many >employees do you have (in other words, your maximum liabilty is 5000 x how >many????) Does it include spouse/family? I have a tons of questions >regarding this. Anyone else have innovative solutions to the health care >issue? > >We also used to provide health insurance and it just became the one expense >we could no longer afford - for coverage that no one could afford to use, >because of the high deductible. At this point we're waiting on the Vermont >legislature which has passed a lower cost health plan for people without >health insurance but they're still working out the details which won't be >finalized until Sept./Oct. Our employees make too much to qualify for any of > >the reduced rates and would pay the top rate of $340/month but it's better >coverage than anything we can afford to get for them. As far as I know they >would need to pick it up themselves so the next question would be how to >reimburse people with the goal that the reimbursement would go towards the >purchasing their own health insurance. Vermont is not yet insisting that >everyone have health insurance as Massachusetts apparently is, so any pay >increase may not necessarily be used for health coverage and therefore the >additional pay may not be used for keeping the work force healthy (which is >the philosophical reason I can see for employer provided health care). > >And just a general survey. What is everyone offering for health care >benefits? > >Peggi Price >Inkspot Press >Manchester Center, Vermont >and >Bennington, Vermont > > >From: Robin Niewold > >Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > > >To: printowners printowners > >Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Full-time, Defined Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 > >10:54:56 -0500 > > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >Brian, > >my employee policy manual states that full-time is a min. of 32 hours per > >5-day work week. Anything under that employees are considered part-time > >and part-time can be permanent or temporary, but neither qualifies for > >benefits -- medical -- I don't offer insurance but a medical reimbursement > > >plan ($5000 per employee per year), paid holidays, sick days, etc. > >HOWEVER, I am required to allow them to participate in our simple IRA if > >they elect. > > > >I believe the others are correct, IF you offer an insurance policy, the > >company may dictate or define for you. > > > >There are tons of people that want a job, but very few that want to work! > > > > > >Robin Niewold > >Pro-Type Printing > >130 N. Market Street > >Paxton, IL 60957 > >217.379.4715 > >robin@protypeonline.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Watch free concerts with Pink, Rod Stewart, Oasis and more. Visit MSN In >Concert today. http://music.msn.com/presents?icid=ncmsnpresentstagline > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2237 (20070503) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jdaghir at gmail.com Fri May 4 07:50:26 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Fri May 4 07:50:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How do you handle postage??? In-Reply-To: References: <20070502132620.4CC26817F35@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <83d5b9620705040450ud2420aaj6a686c828748406b@mail.gmail.com> Sorry for the late reply on this - our shop was struck by lightning late Wednesday afternoon and we spend most of yesterday without an Internet connection. Luckily I have no actual experience with this - I've never had a bad check for postage written to myself or the Post Office. And I should have made that more clear in my post. I don't KNOW that this is what WILL happen, but I BELIEVE this is what COULD happen. I do know that the postage statement says this right above where I sign: "The mailer's signature certifies acceptance of liability for and agreement to pay any revenue deficiencies assessed on this mailing, subject to appeal. If an agent signs this form, the agent certifies that he or she is authorized to sign on behalf of the mailer, and that the mailer is bound by the certification and agrees to pay any deficiencies. In addition, agents may be liable for any deficiencies resulting from matters within their responsibility, knowledge, or control." It doesn't specifically define Mailer versus Mailing Agent, but in the Mailer information section of the Postage Statement it asks for the "Permit Holder", the "Mailing Agent (If other than permit holder)" and "Individual or Organization for Which Mailing is Prepared (If other than permit holder)". I'm certainly not a legal expert but to me it reads like Permit Holder and Mailer are one and the same. The DMM probably spells it out exactly but I'm not going to look it up because my head already hurts from thinking this hard. There definitely are some good, solid reasons for having the check made out to the Post Office - no argument there. But I don't think protection from financial liability for mailings sent using your permit is one of them. This is just my (admittedly non-professional) interpretation. As always your mileage may vary. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Simon said: > What experience can you share with us? From chris at mmgraphicsandmail.com Fri May 4 08:16:11 2007 From: chris at mmgraphicsandmail.com (Chris Cochran) Date: Fri May 4 08:16:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How do you handle postage??? References: <20070502132620.4CC26817F35@rb.enter.net> <83d5b9620705040450ud2420aaj6a686c828748406b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000e01c78e46$04a7cff0$2e01a8c0@ChrisCochran> jeff, That is our understanding also, and it has been explained that way to us by the Post Office. The fact that we have people make the postage check out to the Post Office does 3 things. 1. Our sales $ in our financials don't get artificially skewed higher by sales dollars getting entered as sales. 2. I personally feel that most customers are less likely to write a bad check if it is made out to the Post Office vs. our company. 3. Our customers feel comfortable paying postage directly to the Post Office and that it is indeed the amount required with no mark ups to get the job mailed. Chris Cochran M & M Graphics, Inc Your Printing and Mailing Specialist 704-376-0938 www.mmgraphicsandmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Daghir" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] How do you handle postage??? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Sorry for the late reply on this - our shop was struck by lightning > late Wednesday afternoon and we spend most of yesterday without an > Internet connection. > > Luckily I have no actual experience with this - I've never had a bad > check for postage written to myself or the Post Office. And I should > have made that more clear in my post. I don't KNOW that this is what > WILL happen, but I BELIEVE this is what COULD happen. > > I do know that the postage statement says this right above where I sign: > > "The mailer's signature certifies acceptance of liability for and > agreement to pay any revenue deficiencies assessed on this mailing, > subject to appeal. If an agent signs this form, the agent certifies > that he or she is authorized to sign on behalf of the mailer, and that > the mailer is bound by the certification and agrees to pay any > deficiencies. In addition, agents may be liable for any deficiencies > resulting from matters within their responsibility, knowledge, or > control." > > It doesn't specifically define Mailer versus Mailing Agent, but in the > Mailer information section of the Postage Statement it asks for the > "Permit Holder", the "Mailing Agent (If other than permit holder)" and > "Individual or Organization for Which Mailing is Prepared (If other > than permit holder)". I'm certainly not a legal expert but to me it > reads like Permit Holder and Mailer are one and the same. The DMM > probably spells it out exactly but I'm not going to look it up because > my head already hurts from thinking this hard. > > There definitely are some good, solid reasons for having the check > made out to the Post Office - no argument there. But I don't think > protection from financial liability for mailings sent using your > permit is one of them. This is just my (admittedly non-professional) > interpretation. As always your mileage may vary. > > > -- > Jeff Daghir > MPS Printing, Inc. > "The Ink & Paper People" > Madison, IN > www.mpsprinting.com > jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com > > > > Simon said: >> What experience can you share with us? > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From jdaghir at gmail.com Fri May 4 08:46:22 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Fri May 4 08:46:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bar Codes (Bryce 13K) In-Reply-To: References: <012c01c78db4$925f3050$0f24230a@charles> Message-ID: <83d5b9620705040546q25a40eddw1507e7f0dd8d4025@mail.gmail.com> Keep in mind that there is not just one "Barcode". There's like a zillion different types of barcodes. So there are really two different answers to your question. If you have the correct font for the barcode the customer wants to use and if have a way to generate any required check digits then yes, you could use the Bryce to print them just as you could use any other printer. But if you were planning on using the internal barcode built-into the Bryce then no because it only creates a PostalNet barcode (unless your customer actually wants a PostalNet barcode, but that would be kinda strange since it is normally only used for mail). -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com On 5/3/07, Tammie at Quickprinters wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have a customer that is wanting employee name tags that will have a bar > code. We haven't ever printed anything with a bar code, so I'm not even sure > how that works, but we are awaiting delivery for a Bryce 13K printer any day > now. > > Is this something that we can use this for? > > Thanks, > Tammie > > > Tammie Speer, owner > **************** > Tammie@MacombPrinter.com > ______________________________ > QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS > 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 > http://www.macombprinter.com/ > > A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! > Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? > http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ > Or call for a FREE CD full of information. > ______________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From robin at protypeonline.com Fri May 4 09:58:50 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Fri May 4 09:58:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Medical Reimbursement Message-ID: <6B12F4F8-3920-465C-8BE4-CBC1D96831ED@protypeonline.com> Peggi, you are correct -- my maximum out-of-pocket or liability as you called it is $5000 per full-time employee, per year. If I only wanted to offer $1000 year then your maximum liability would be $1000 per full-time employee per year. YOU control the amount BUT you are required to offer the exact same amount to each qualified employee. So you can't give one employee $1000/year and another $5000/year! THIS IS NOT an insurance plan -- it is CASH in your employees pockets that they are legally obligated to use ONLY for IRS qualifying medical expenses -- eyeglasses, prescriptions, deductibles, etc....show your attorney the pdf file of our plan and get his input. It is very possible a plan like this will not "work" in your state. But, like I said, my staff LOVES this plan and since I like to be in control -- it suits me well also! :) Good Luck Robin p.s. this plan is extremely SIMPLE to administer -- to say it is a piece of cake would be -- the truth! You do it yourself -- just like payroll and A/P. Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Fri May 4 12:18:02 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Fri May 4 12:19:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How do you handle postage??? In-Reply-To: <20070504160003.0F0D181F50D@rb.enter.net> References: <20070504160003.0F0D181F50D@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <385686da91511e6c2d73b4e6f43b15fc@sheergraphics.com> It's Friday, so to flog a dead horse, here's a 'me too' post. I agree with Chris' summary below. To add to item 1 benefit, the customer's accounting department will not record a postage expense as a purchase from a printer. This has happened to us and prompted our customer to review and compare their printing purchases, causing a lot of extra work for us justifying our selling prices. I never wrote that the mailer's agent and permit holder were relieved of liablity, I just advised that the printer should not process the postage check through his books of account - it could create too many problems. > jeff, > > That is our understanding also, and it has been explained that way to > us by the Post Office. The fact that we have people make the postage > check out to the Post Office does 3 things. > > 1. Our sales $ in our financials don't get artificially skewed higher > by sales dollars getting entered as sales. > > 2. I personally feel that most customers are less likely to write a > bad check if it is made out to the Post Office vs. our company. > > 3. Our customers feel comfortable paying postage directly to the Post > Office and that it is indeed the amount required with no mark ups to > get the job mailed. > > Chris Cochran Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From carisa at holmesprinting.com Fri May 4 12:40:06 2007 From: carisa at holmesprinting.com (Carisa Holmes-Peters) Date: Fri May 4 12:40:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Employee expenses In-Reply-To: <20070504160003.4F65781F510@rb.enter.net> References: <20070504160003.4F65781F510@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: We are sending one of our staff to a trade show that we are a participating vendor in. We have already paid for the flights, hotel etc. Would you have the employee turn in receipts upon their return to be reimbursed for food, cab fare etc. or would you give a cash allowance in advance? Thanks! Carisa Holmes-Peters Administrative Office Manager HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com http://www.holmesprinting.com/ ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! POSTERS, BANNERS, INDOOR/OUTDOOR AND MORE - CALL TODAY! ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** From jgross at techiowa.com Fri May 4 13:03:02 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Fri May 4 13:03:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Employee expenses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c78e6e$134f9d80$1e00000a@tech.local> We would give them an allowance for food and cover the taxi fare. If they needed an advance we would make it. We're usually pretty generous with the allowances and ask them for a report when they return of the benefits. Where you are a vendor ask for copies of all of the leads they get and track how many turn into sales. It's is nice to know what those sales cost. Then maybe not so nice either. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. Iowa City, Iowa jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Carisa Holmes-Peters Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 11:40 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Employee expenses ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are sending one of our staff to a trade show that we are a participating vendor in. We have already paid for the flights, hotel etc. Would you have the employee turn in receipts upon their return to be reimbursed for food, cab fare etc. or would you give a cash allowance in advance? Thanks! Carisa Holmes-Peters Administrative Office Manager HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com http://www.holmesprinting.com/ ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! POSTERS, BANNERS, INDOOR/OUTDOOR AND MORE - CALL TODAY! ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From peggiprice at hotmail.com Fri May 4 13:46:11 2007 From: peggiprice at hotmail.com (Peggi Price) Date: Fri May 4 13:46:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Medical Reimbursement In-Reply-To: <6B12F4F8-3920-465C-8BE4-CBC1D96831ED@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: Robin, Thanks for the info. Could you email that PDF to me. Peggi >From: Robin Niewold >Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > >To: printowners printowners >Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] RE: Medical Reimbursement >Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 08:58:50 -0500 > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Peggi, >you are correct -- my maximum out-of-pocket or liability as you called it >is $5000 per full-time employee, per year. If I only wanted to offer $1000 >year then your maximum liability would be $1000 per full-time employee per >year. YOU control the amount BUT you are required to offer the exact same >amount to each qualified employee. So you can't give one employee >$1000/year and another $5000/year! >THIS IS NOT an insurance plan -- it is CASH in your employees pockets that >they are legally obligated to use ONLY for IRS qualifying medical expenses >-- eyeglasses, prescriptions, deductibles, etc....show your attorney the >pdf file of our plan and get his input. It is very possible a plan like >this will not "work" in your state. >But, like I said, my staff LOVES this plan and since I like to be in >control -- it suits me well also! :) >Good Luck >Robin > >p.s. this plan is extremely SIMPLE to administer -- to say it is a piece >of cake would be -- the truth! You do it yourself -- just like payroll and >A/P. > > >Robin Niewold >Pro-Type Printing >130 N. Market Street >Paxton, IL 60957 >217.379.4715 >robin@protypeonline.com > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _________________________________________________________________ Watch free concerts with Pink, Rod Stewart, Oasis and more. Visit MSN In Concert today. http://music.msn.com/presents?icid=ncmsnpresentstagline From dominick at fmtc.com Sat May 5 09:58:26 2007 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominicks Printing) Date: Sat May 5 10:00:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] PC Email Help Message-ID: <463C8D82.3080905@fmtc.com> My hard drive on my one and only PC is almost dead. Got hit by a bad copier tech, screwed up the system, somehow MS service pack 2 is gone and will not re-install. All that aside, I use Thunderbird for my e-mail. Where is the folder that stores all the e-mail addresses? I have saved everything else, so I can wipe the HD, but I really want to save all my addresses. If I can even export to somewhere, and save, but I am not finding any way to do that. Thanks Joe Dominick Dominick's Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541-881-1121 541-881-1155 fax 541-881-1599 http://www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com NEW! 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From armand at curryonline.com Sat May 5 10:07:34 2007 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Sat May 5 10:07:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] PC Email Help In-Reply-To: <463C8D82.3080905@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <0MKp8S-1HkKv229au-0002zi@mrelay.perfora.net> Joe, Take a look at: http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/profile#locate Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dominicks Printing Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 9:58 AM To: PrintOwners Subject: [PrintOwners] PC Email Help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** My hard drive on my one and only PC is almost dead. Got hit by a bad copier tech, screwed up the system, somehow MS service pack 2 is gone and will not re-install. All that aside, I use Thunderbird for my e-mail. Where is the folder that stores all the e-mail addresses? I have saved everything else, so I can wipe the HD, but I really want to save all my addresses. If I can even export to somewhere, and save, but I am not finding any way to do that. Thanks Joe Dominick Dominick's Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541-881-1121 541-881-1155 fax 541-881-1599 http://www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com NEW! We are Ontario's ONLY Adobe Authorized Service Provider Microsoft Publisher File Welcome Here! Total Quality Printing using the Technology of Today! "Your InkJet Printer - 89 cents; Our Laser Prints - 50 cents; any questions?" _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dominick at fmtc.com Sat May 5 10:14:25 2007 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominicks Printing) Date: Sat May 5 10:16:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6500 update Message-ID: <463C9141.1010802@fmtc.com> Well, its still here. Seems to be good for simple stuff like long run 8.5 x 11. Since it has the booklet maker, we ran a 500 - 28 page book, folded and stapled, black on white. Only 7000 clicks. Took forever. Now I know why the posts have said, "use the off line booklet maker, its faster." We ran a 3000 f/b flyer (one up) and was fairly fast. Had to keep loading a single drawer, tho. It would not switch to drawer 2, even with it set to the exact same paper. What a pain. So we ran 1000 f/b postcards on 100# gloss, 4 up on 12 x 18. Only 500 clicks. Should it have taken 68 minutes to run? Thats only 6-7 per minute. This is OK if that is the right speed. Still faster than the press. For you Mac users, how is the scanning? They did not enable that feature for the demo. They are still hanging on to 6.5 cents for color clicks. The machine price is $33,000, Hard drive 1400, Fiery 7000, Extra charge for "spot on" 900, also extra for "auto trapping" 800. For a total "deal" of $42,300. I guess Monday I'll offer them $30 for everything, (I could make money with it, if it was that price), and see if the yank it out of here. So, are there any other choices out there? The C1 bombed, the 6500, could "get us by" but not for 42 thou. Anybody demo'ed anything else??? Joe Dominick Dominick's Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541-881-1121 541-881-1155 fax 541-881-1599 http://www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com NEW! We are Ontario's ONLY Adobe Authorized Service Provider Microsoft Publisher File Welcome Here! Total Quality Printing using the Technology of Today! "Your InkJet Printer - 89 cents; Our Laser Prints - 50 cents; any questions?" From smc at sorrentomesa.com Sat May 5 10:42:31 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Sat May 5 10:42:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6500 update In-Reply-To: <463C9141.1010802@fmtc.com> References: <463C9141.1010802@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <200705051442.l45EgMK0082149@i2bnetworks.com> Its a shame they didn't let you demo the 6500 with the CREO RIP instead. S. At 07:14 AM 5/5/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Well, its still here. Seems to be good for simple stuff like long >run 8.5 x 11. Since it has the booklet maker, we ran a 500 - 28 page >book, folded and stapled, black on white. Only 7000 clicks. Took forever. > > >Now I know why the posts have said, "use the off line booklet maker, >its faster." > >We ran a 3000 f/b flyer (one up) and was fairly fast. Had to keep >loading a single drawer, tho. It would not switch to drawer 2, even >with it set to the exact same paper. What a pain. > >So we ran 1000 f/b postcards on 100# gloss, 4 up on 12 x 18. Only >500 clicks. Should it have taken 68 minutes to run? Thats only 6-7 >per minute. This is OK if that is the right speed. Still faster than the press. > >For you Mac users, how is the scanning? They did not enable that >feature for the demo. > >They are still hanging on to 6.5 cents for color clicks. The machine >price is $33,000, Hard drive 1400, Fiery 7000, Extra charge for >"spot on" 900, also extra for "auto trapping" 800. For a total >"deal" of $42,300. I guess Monday I'll offer them $30 for >everything, (I could make money with it, if it was that price), and >see if the yank it out of here. > >So, are there any other choices out there? The C1 bombed, the 6500, >could "get us by" but not for 42 thou. Anybody demo'ed anything else??? > >Joe Dominick >Dominick's Printing >542 W. Idaho Avenue >Ontario Oregon 97914 >541-881-1121 >541-881-1155 >fax 541-881-1599 > >http://www.dominicksprinting.com >dominick@fmtc.com > >NEW! We are Ontario's ONLY Adobe Authorized Service Provider >Microsoft Publisher File Welcome Here! > >Total Quality Printing using the Technology of Today! > >"Your InkJet Printer - 89 cents; Our Laser Prints - 50 cents; any questions?" > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2243 (20070505) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From newtone at cox.net Sat May 5 11:38:40 2007 From: newtone at cox.net (Newtone) Date: Sat May 5 11:37:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6500 update In-Reply-To: <200705051442.l45EgMK0082149@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: Ask about the "e" version. Same main unit, less sophisticated peripherals, less money. The 6500 will auto feed from different trays, it is a setting in menu which seems to be set to off by default. Bob Newton Town & Country Printers, Inc. Santee, CA -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/787 - Release Date: 5/3/2007 2:11 PM From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Sat May 5 11:45:02 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Sat May 5 11:45:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6500 Dominicks Message-ID: Message: 7 Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 08:14:25 -0600 From: Dominicks Printing > Subject: [PrintOwners] 6500 update To: PrintOwners > Message-ID: <463C9141.1010802@fmtc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed ________________________________________________________________________ >>>>>Is it supposed to switch drawers?<<<< We ran a 3000 f/b flyer (one up) and was fairly fast. Had to keep loading a single drawer, tho. It would not switch to drawer 2, even with it set to the exact same paper. What a pain. _________________________________________________________________________ >>>>>>How was the quality of the color?<<<< So we ran 1000 f/b postcards on 100# gloss, 4 up on 12 x 18. Only 500 clicks. Should it have taken 68 minutes to run? Thats only 6-7 per minute. This is OK if that is the right speed. Still faster than the press. _____________________________________________________________________________ >>>>>Sounds like you are O.K. with the machine other than the booklet maker and a drawer that is not doing what you want it to do. Is that correct?<<<<<<<< BTW, we liked our Xerox 5000 Demo. If this 6500 is NOT worth $42K to you, the X5000 will be worth the $100+K. It doesn't slow down for heavy stocks, for instance. You may want to try it. Thanks, Larry Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ From allreadyprinting at gmail.com Sat May 5 11:49:36 2007 From: allreadyprinting at gmail.com (All Ready Printing) Date: Sat May 5 11:49:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] PC Email Help In-Reply-To: <463C8D82.3080905@fmtc.com> References: <463C8D82.3080905@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <844f39e80705050849l1fe5b1b0wa1f2aeda4b829922@mail.gmail.com> Joe: I don't know where that folder is, but I do have a suggestion. Use gmail! It's very helpful. You can download all of your different email accounts into your online gmail account. Gmail will tell you where they come from, and automatically reply with the correct "from" field. It has the best spam filter I've ever seen; you hardly ever get spam, and you are surprised when you do. Also, it is a true off-site back up. Your mail lives on their servers, and is never downloaded. Searching through your emails is a snap using Google's search engine. Usually in one or two words you'll find what you're looking for. Another great feature is you can get all your mail, wherever you are in the world, all in one place for free Good luck -Matt Kensey -- All Ready Inc. Modern offset printing, custom thermography, and full-service direct mail solutions. http://www.allready.com Call us toll free: (888)-270-7780 From armand at curryonline.com Sat May 5 12:08:17 2007 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Sat May 5 12:08:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] PC Email Help In-Reply-To: <844f39e80705050849l1fe5b1b0wa1f2aeda4b829922@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0MKp8S-1HkMo224O5-0002zf@mrelay.perfora.net> In addition to using GMail (I have a GMail account), take a look at Yahoo Mail. While GMail is good, some people don't like the GMail interface. Yahoo Mail more closely resembles a stand along client (like Outlook or Thunderbird). Make sure you look at the Yahoo Mail BETA (even the classic interface is okay). Also, while Yahoo Mail has 1 GB of storage, they are suppose to start upgrading accounts (even the free accounts) to unlimited storage. One thing I should mention is that while these free accounts are nice, don't rely on them to store your email safely. They could (and have) had failures where you lose all your mail. I download all my mail into Outlook also and simply decide based on where I am whether I read my mail on Outlook or an online service. One other thought... If you have both a GMail account and a Yahoo account, you can store your mail on both of these servers. It would be very unlikely that both would suffer a catastrophe were your mail would be lost. If one service loses your mail, you'll still have it on the other. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of All Ready Printing Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 11:50 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] PC Email Help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Joe: I don't know where that folder is, but I do have a suggestion. Use gmail! It's very helpful. You can download all of your different email accounts into your online gmail account. Gmail will tell you where they come from, and automatically reply with the correct "from" field. It has the best spam filter I've ever seen; you hardly ever get spam, and you are surprised when you do. Also, it is a true off-site back up. Your mail lives on their servers, and is never downloaded. Searching through your emails is a snap using Google's search engine. Usually in one or two words you'll find what you're looking for. Another great feature is you can get all your mail, wherever you are in the world, all in one place for free Good luck -Matt Kensey -- All Ready Inc. Modern offset printing, custom thermography, and full-service direct mail solutions. http://www.allready.com Call us toll free: (888)-270-7780 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dominick at fmtc.com Sat May 5 15:42:54 2007 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominicks Printing) Date: Sat May 5 15:44:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 6500 update In-Reply-To: <200705051442.l45EgMK0082149@i2bnetworks.com> References: <463C9141.1010802@fmtc.com> <200705051442.l45EgMK0082149@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <463CDE3E.9030500@fmtc.com> They don't know what a "creo" is, let alone why I need PostScript, and not "just the internal driver"... I have been hoping it would need service, just to see how their service dept is. Joe Dominick Dominick's Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541-881-1121 541-881-1155 fax 541-881-1599 Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Its a shame they didn't let you demo the 6500 with the CREO RIP instead. > > > S. > > > From oren66 at sbcglobal.net Sun May 6 14:14:42 2007 From: oren66 at sbcglobal.net (Arie Teomi) Date: Sun May 6 14:21:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] MailCom In-Reply-To: <0MKp8S-1HkMo224O5-0002zf@mrelay.perfora.net> Message-ID: <153550.11802.qm@web83409.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Is anybody going to mailcom next week? I wiil arrive Monday afternoon. I am staying at thew Holiday Inn Boardwalk. Call me on my cell phone 216-513-7493 if you want to get together maybe even Dinner on Monday Arie Arie Teomi MINUTEMAN PRESS 24000 Mercantile Rd. #16 Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.minutemancleveland.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner From MikeStevens at ExpressPressUSA.com Mon May 7 13:08:47 2007 From: MikeStevens at ExpressPressUSA.com (Mike Stevens) Date: Mon May 7 13:08:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] My Wife's Mother's Day Porsche - Advice Needed Message-ID: Hi Everybody! I'm buying Jenny, my wife, a Porsche Cayman S for Mother's Day. I'm getting the car at a big Mercedes, Cadillac, BMW and Porsche dealer in Chicago this Friday. Here's my question: the dealership finance people have told me it's pretty common for (luxury car) buyers to put cars in their business name for the tax-deduction. How do they do that? My C.P.A. tells me it basically won't work. What am I missing? Anybody have any smart ways to fund this car? Thanks for your ideas! Mike Stevens _____________ MikeStevens@InkIncOnline.com 1-701-241-9204 From kevin at proprinters.ca Mon May 7 13:12:01 2007 From: kevin at proprinters.ca (Kevin Kerr at PRO Printers) Date: Mon May 7 13:12:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] My Wife's Mother's Day Porsche - Advice Needed References: Message-ID: <008b01c790ca$d3d03660$0200a8c0@promerivale1> That's really easy, Mike. Just ship it to me and I'll take care of all the details. No charge. Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Stevens" To: Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:08 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] My Wife's Mother's Day Porsche - Advice Needed > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hi Everybody! > > I'm buying Jenny, my wife, a Porsche Cayman S for Mother's Day. I'm > getting > the car at a big Mercedes, Cadillac, BMW and Porsche dealer in Chicago > this > Friday. > > Here's my question: the dealership finance people have told me it's pretty > common for (luxury car) buyers to put cars in their business name for the > tax-deduction. How do they do that? My C.P.A. tells me it basically won't > work. What am I missing? Anybody have any smart ways to fund this car? > Thanks for your ideas! > > Mike Stevens > > _____________ > MikeStevens@InkIncOnline.com > 1-701-241-9204 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From jgross at techiowa.com Mon May 7 13:17:13 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Mon May 7 13:17:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] My Wife's Mother's Day Porsche - Advice Needed In-Reply-To: <008b01c790ca$d3d03660$0200a8c0@promerivale1> Message-ID: <00bc01c790cb$8e5feac0$1e00000a@tech.local> Mike, consider leasing it from her for the amounts of the payments. Unless you paid cash that is. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. Iowa City, Iowa jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Kerr at PRO Printers Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 12:12 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] My Wife's Mother's Day Porsche - Advice Needed ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** That's really easy, Mike. Just ship it to me and I'll take care of all the details. No charge. Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Stevens" To: Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:08 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] My Wife's Mother's Day Porsche - Advice Needed > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hi Everybody! > > I'm buying Jenny, my wife, a Porsche Cayman S for Mother's Day. I'm > getting > the car at a big Mercedes, Cadillac, BMW and Porsche dealer in Chicago > this > Friday. > > Here's my question: the dealership finance people have told me it's pretty > common for (luxury car) buyers to put cars in their business name for the > tax-deduction. How do they do that? My C.P.A. tells me it basically won't > work. What am I missing? Anybody have any smart ways to fund this car? > Thanks for your ideas! > > Mike Stevens > > _____________ > MikeStevens@InkIncOnline.com > 1-701-241-9204 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From championprinting at yahoo.com Mon May 7 14:02:04 2007 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Mon May 7 14:02:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] My Wife's Mother's Day Porsche - Advice Needed Message-ID: <161758.40063.qm@web38906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I didn't think that paying cash for something would preclude it from being leased. Your account can arrange a lease when they know the cost basis. You are using it for some business purposes aren't you? Determine a percentage of business use. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: John Gross To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Monday, May 7, 2007 1:17:13 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] My Wife's Mother's Day Porsche - Advice Needed ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Mike, consider leasing it from her for the amounts of the payments. Unless you paid cash that is. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. Iowa City, Iowa jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Kerr at PRO Printers Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 12:12 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] My Wife's Mother's Day Porsche - Advice Needed ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** That's really easy, Mike. Just ship it to me and I'll take care of all the details. No charge. Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Stevens" To: Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:08 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] My Wife's Mother's Day Porsche - Advice Needed > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hi Everybody! > > I'm buying Jenny, my wife, a Porsche Cayman S for Mother's Day. I'm > getting > the car at a big Mercedes, Cadillac, BMW and Porsche dealer in Chicago > this > Friday. > > Here's my question: the dealership finance people have told me it's pretty > common for (luxury car) buyers to put cars in their business name for the > tax-deduction. How do they do that? My C.P.A. tells me it basically won't > work. What am I missing? Anybody have any smart ways to fund this car? > Thanks for your ideas! > > Mike Stevens > > _____________ > MikeStevens@InkIncOnline.com > 1-701-241-9204 From jgross at techiowa.com Mon May 7 14:27:21 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Mon May 7 14:27:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] My Wife's Mother's Day Porsche - Advice Needed In-Reply-To: <161758.40063.qm@web38906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00d001c790d5$5a3d7780$1e00000a@tech.local> Mike, if you don't have a 58 Speedster yet, I can provide the opportunity. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. Iowa City, Iowa jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ted Gelletly Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:02 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] My Wife's Mother's Day Porsche - Advice Needed ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I didn't think that paying cash for something would preclude it from being leased. Your account can arrange a lease when they know the cost basis. You are using it for some business purposes aren't you? Determine a percentage of business use. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: John Gross To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Monday, May 7, 2007 1:17:13 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] My Wife's Mother's Day Porsche - Advice Needed ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Mike, consider leasing it from her for the amounts of the payments. Unless you paid cash that is. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. Iowa City, Iowa jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Kerr at PRO Printers Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 12:12 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] My Wife's Mother's Day Porsche - Advice Needed ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** That's really easy, Mike. Just ship it to me and I'll take care of all the details. No charge. Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Stevens" To: Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:08 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] My Wife's Mother's Day Porsche - Advice Needed > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hi Everybody! > > I'm buying Jenny, my wife, a Porsche Cayman S for Mother's Day. I'm > getting > the car at a big Mercedes, Cadillac, BMW and Porsche dealer in Chicago > this > Friday. > > Here's my question: the dealership finance people have told me it's pretty > common for (luxury car) buyers to put cars in their business name for the > tax-deduction. How do they do that? My C.P.A. tells me it basically won't > work. What am I missing? Anybody have any smart ways to fund this car? > Thanks for your ideas! > > Mike Stevens > > _____________ > MikeStevens@InkIncOnline.com > 1-701-241-9204 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Mon May 7 14:57:58 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Mon May 7 14:59:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] My Wife's Mother's Day Porsche - Advice Needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Delivery vehicle. You're trying to improve customer service by getting jobs delivered F A S T. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mike Stevens Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 12:09 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] My Wife's Mother's Day Porsche - Advice Needed ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hi Everybody! I'm buying Jenny, my wife, a Porsche Cayman S for Mother's Day. I'm getting the car at a big Mercedes, Cadillac, BMW and Porsche dealer in Chicago this Friday. Here's my question: the dealership finance people have told me it's pretty common for (luxury car) buyers to put cars in their business name for the tax-deduction. How do they do that? My C.P.A. tells me it basically won't work. What am I missing? Anybody have any smart ways to fund this car? Thanks for your ideas! Mike Stevens _____________ MikeStevens@InkIncOnline.com 1-701-241-9204 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.184) Database version: 5.07240 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.184) Database version: 5.07240 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Mon May 7 15:18:20 2007 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Mon May 7 15:15:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Measuring Tape needed for Cutter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Our metal measurement tape on our older cutter broke last week. I have been unable to find a source for this as it is too old. Challenge Cutter Model HB Size 193 (It is a 19" width cutter) Metal Tape measures to 43.25" Does anyone have any tips on finding one? We will try to repair this one, but I have no idea how long it will last... Thanks! Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 From bob at rjmprinting.com Mon May 7 15:26:52 2007 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Mon May 7 15:28:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Measuring Tape needed for Cutter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Try Quality Equipment and Service 763-784-1079 speak with Bruce. Thanks! Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ben Travis Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 2:18 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Measuring Tape needed for Cutter ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Our metal measurement tape on our older cutter broke last week. I have been unable to find a source for this as it is too old. Challenge Cutter Model HB Size 193 (It is a 19" width cutter) Metal Tape measures to 43.25" Does anyone have any tips on finding one? We will try to repair this one, but I have no idea how long it will last... Thanks! Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From printmail at goinsty.com Mon May 7 15:40:04 2007 From: printmail at goinsty.com (Rob Meier) Date: Mon May 7 15:40:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <463F8094.9000902@goinsty.com> The fax from the client reads, "I am not going to be responsible for proofreading for your employees." ... "The only thing I'm signing off on is how many we want." Our error was typing their web address "www.customer_one_line.com" instead of "www.customer_on_line.com". It was a change to their business cards - 2 words. They generally near #50 in our customer rankings each year and pay promptly. However, this is not the first time something like this has come up with them. They also do a few spendy mailings each year. Your opinions would be appreciated. Sincerely, Rob Meier -- _____________________________ Insty-Prints 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-1959 phone (800) 258-8122 toll free (715) 835-7078 fax goinsty@goinsty.com _____________________________ Star Marking - Rubber Stamps 2425 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-4001 phone (800) 634-4002 toll free (715) 835-7078 fax stamps@starmarking.com From gailscott at eos.net Mon May 7 15:23:45 2007 From: gailscott at eos.net (Gail & Scott Finke) Date: Mon May 7 15:42:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] My Wife's Mother's Day Porsche - Advice Needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I guess I'm naive, I would never consider doing that. But if I did (see last sentence, IRS people), I wouldn't put it in writing, especially on an email list. Of course, maybe I'm paranoid too... Gail Finke ----------------- Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 513-522-2679 info@brentwood-printing.com on 5/7/07 1:08 PM, Mike Stevens at MikeStevens@ExpressPressUSA.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hi Everybody! > > I'm buying Jenny, my wife, a Porsche Cayman S for Mother's Day. I'm getting > the car at a big Mercedes, Cadillac, BMW and Porsche dealer in Chicago this > Friday. > > Here's my question: the dealership finance people have told me it's pretty > common for (luxury car) buyers to put cars in their business name for the > tax-deduction. How do they do that? My C.P.A. tells me it basically won't > work. What am I missing? Anybody have any smart ways to fund this car? > Thanks for your ideas! > > Mike Stevens > > _____________ > MikeStevens@InkIncOnline.com > 1-701-241-9204 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From smc at sorrentomesa.com Mon May 7 15:44:30 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Mon May 7 15:44:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: <463F8094.9000902@goinsty.com> References: <463F8094.9000902@goinsty.com> Message-ID: <200705071944.l47JiN0c040143@i2bnetworks.com> I think you screwed up. Fix it or go to war and lose. S. At 12:40 PM 5/7/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >The fax from the client reads, "I am not going to be responsible for >proofreading for your employees." ... "The only thing I'm signing >off on is how many we want." > >Our error was typing their web address "www.customer_one_line.com" >instead of "www.customer_on_line.com". It was a change to their >business cards - 2 words. > >They generally near #50 in our customer rankings each year and pay >promptly. However, this is not the first time something like this >has come up with them. They also do a few spendy mailings each year. > >Your opinions would be appreciated. > >Sincerely, >Rob Meier > > >-- >_____________________________ > >Insty-Prints >2429 E. Clairemont Ave. >Eau Claire, WI 54701 > >(715) 835-1959 phone >(800) 258-8122 toll free >(715) 835-7078 fax > >goinsty@goinsty.com > >_____________________________ > >Star Marking - Rubber Stamps >2425 E. Clairemont Ave. >Eau Claire, WI 54701 > >(715) 835-4001 phone >(800) 634-4002 toll free >(715) 835-7078 fax > >stamps@starmarking.com > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2248 (20070507) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From carisa at holmesprinting.com Mon May 7 15:46:22 2007 From: carisa at holmesprinting.com (Carisa Holmes-Peters) Date: Mon May 7 15:46:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What are you using for Clip Art In-Reply-To: <20070507192836.13AA882B07F@rb.enter.net> References: <20070507192836.13AA882B07F@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <1BB55FBD-55F6-4001-B063-83CE341ED956@holmesprinting.com> What are you using for Clip Art? We have been using Click Art 65,000 image pak....but it seems outdated. Thanks! Carisa Carisa Holmes-Peters Administrative Office Manager HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com http://www.holmesprinting.com/ ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! 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Greg On May 7, 2007, at 12:08 PM, Mike Stevens wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hi Everybody! > > I'm buying Jenny, my wife, a Porsche Cayman S for Mother's Day. I'm > getting > the car at a big Mercedes, Cadillac, BMW and Porsche dealer in > Chicago this > Friday. > > Here's my question: the dealership finance people have told me it's > pretty > common for (luxury car) buyers to put cars in their business name > for the > tax-deduction. How do they do that? My C.P.A. tells me it basically > won't > work. What am I missing? Anybody have any smart ways to fund this car? > Thanks for your ideas! > > Mike Stevens > > _____________ > MikeStevens@InkIncOnline.com > 1-701-241-9204 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From prtquick at eos.net Mon May 7 16:20:40 2007 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Mon May 7 15:57:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: <463F8094.9000902@goinsty.com> References: <463F8094.9000902@goinsty.com> Message-ID: Aside from the 'kinda' snide fax, the customer has a point. I do think customers should proof everything, I just hope they don't catch any mistakes! If we are given a change and we fail to do it, I reprint. We misprinted someone's 800 number a few weeks ago. The customer did not notice on her proof, but I checked her original e-mail, and the number was mis-typed by us. We re-ran the business cards. This is not a big customer. She also told me that she ordered some magnets (using the pdf proof we sent her), and those were wrong too. I told her we would replace her cards, but she should have checked that file again before ordering magnets, and I would not be responsible for those. If they aren't going to proof their jobs anymore, just charge them more and double it proof in-house. Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit us in our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing On May 7, 2007, at 3:40 PM, Rob Meier wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > The fax from the client reads, "I am not going to be responsible for > proofreading for your employees." ... "The only thing I'm signing off > on is how many we want." > > Our error was typing their web address "www.customer_one_line.com" > instead of "www.customer_on_line.com". It was a change to their > business cards - 2 words. > > They generally near #50 in our customer rankings each year and pay > promptly. However, this is not the first time something like this has > come up with them. They also do a few spendy mailings each year. > > Your opinions would be appreciated. > > Sincerely, > Rob Meier > > > -- > _____________________________ > > Insty-Prints > 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. > Eau Claire, WI 54701 > > (715) 835-1959 phone > (800) 258-8122 toll free > (715) 835-7078 fax > > goinsty@goinsty.com > > _____________________________ > > Star Marking - Rubber Stamps > 2425 E. Clairemont Ave. > Eau Claire, WI 54701 > > (715) 835-4001 phone > (800) 634-4002 toll free > (715) 835-7078 fax > > stamps@starmarking.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From stumarty at wrightprinting.com Mon May 7 15:53:24 2007 From: stumarty at wrightprinting.com (Stu) Date: Mon May 7 15:57:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: <463F8094.9000902@goinsty.com> References: <463F8094.9000902@goinsty.com> Message-ID: On or about 2:40 PM -0500 5/7/07, Rob Meier emailed the following: >Your opinions would be appreciated. I don't see the problem? You made an error. It was an error your people SHOULD have caught. Proofreading by the customer is to be sure it is the way they want it, but it (or the slip of paper they sign) is not a free pass excusing you from all mistakes. In my opinion, it is to be sure that you interpreted what they asked for correctly, and a final chance for everyone to spot any errors or omissions. This situation seems pretty clear to me -- it was YOUR mistake. Cheerfully redo the cards, and accept your responsibility. It will go far in restoring their confidence in your shop's ability to *satisfy* your clients. -just old stu- -- =============== SETTING IT WRIGHT: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The odd "W" has always bothered me. A single letter containing three syllables. One has to wonder about the abbreviation "www" for "world wide web." To speak it requires nine syllables to represent what could be spoken in three (or four). - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wright Printing Co. -- Central Illinois' biggest little print shop. 203 North St., Normal, IL 61761 309 452-4409 Fax 452-7422 Personal Mobile Phone: 309 826-1132 (Stu) mailto:stu@wrightprinting.com - http://www.wrightprinting.com From mail at myprinter.biz Mon May 7 15:55:32 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Mon May 7 15:57:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: <463F8094.9000902@goinsty.com> Message-ID: Rob - I'd tell them that any printing business that assumed proofreading responsibilities for its clients would soon go out of business - that you handle far too many typesetting jobs every day to make that reasonable, and that the final responsibility for proofing is ALWAYS that of the person/firm for which the work's being done and NEVER the firm doing the typesetting or printing. That is, after all, from where the concept of a "proof" originated. Regardless of what you say or do, if you're wise you'll end up "eating" some of your clients proofreading errors as a good will gesture and to keep your buyers protected from their boss's wrath, but you simple CAN'T accept that as your responsbility. P.S. I'm hoping whoever presented the business card proof to your client enlarged it to the size of a billboard so your client had to have signed off on an error so large that it couldn't possibly have been missed by anybody but the blind. If that's not the case, my suggestion is that you make enlarged proofs for business cards mandatory. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Rob Meier Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:40 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** The fax from the client reads, "I am not going to be responsible for proofreading for your employees." ... "The only thing I'm signing off on is how many we want." Our error was typing their web address "www.customer_one_line.com" instead of "www.customer_on_line.com". It was a change to their business cards - 2 words. They generally near #50 in our customer rankings each year and pay promptly. However, this is not the first time something like this has come up with them. They also do a few spendy mailings each year. Your opinions would be appreciated. Sincerely, Rob Meier -- _____________________________ Insty-Prints 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-1959 phone (800) 258-8122 toll free (715) 835-7078 fax goinsty@goinsty.com _____________________________ Star Marking - Rubber Stamps 2425 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-4001 phone (800) 634-4002 toll free (715) 835-7078 fax stamps@starmarking.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bob at rjmprinting.com Mon May 7 15:50:16 2007 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Mon May 7 15:57:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: <463F8094.9000902@goinsty.com> Message-ID: "I'm sorry we cannot do your job, if you do not take ultimate responsibility for the content of your business card". Can you imagine what would happen with a typo on a spendy mailing? Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Rob Meier Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 2:40 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** The fax from the client reads, "I am not going to be responsible for proofreading for your employees." ... "The only thing I'm signing off on is how many we want." Our error was typing their web address "www.customer_one_line.com" instead of "www.customer_on_line.com". It was a change to their business cards - 2 words. They generally near #50 in our customer rankings each year and pay promptly. However, this is not the first time something like this has come up with them. They also do a few spendy mailings each year. Your opinions would be appreciated. Sincerely, Rob Meier -- _____________________________ Insty-Prints 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-1959 phone (800) 258-8122 toll free (715) 835-7078 fax goinsty@goinsty.com _____________________________ Star Marking - Rubber Stamps 2425 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-4001 phone (800) 634-4002 toll free (715) 835-7078 fax stamps@starmarking.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bob at rjmprinting.com Mon May 7 15:50:16 2007 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Mon May 7 15:59:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: <463F8094.9000902@goinsty.com> Message-ID: "I'm sorry we cannot do your job, if you do not take ultimate responsibility for the content of your business card". Can you imagine what would happen with a typo on a spendy mailing? Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Rob Meier Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 2:40 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** The fax from the client reads, "I am not going to be responsible for proofreading for your employees." ... "The only thing I'm signing off on is how many we want." Our error was typing their web address "www.customer_one_line.com" instead of "www.customer_on_line.com". It was a change to their business cards - 2 words. They generally near #50 in our customer rankings each year and pay promptly. However, this is not the first time something like this has come up with them. They also do a few spendy mailings each year. Your opinions would be appreciated. Sincerely, Rob Meier -- _____________________________ Insty-Prints 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-1959 phone (800) 258-8122 toll free (715) 835-7078 fax goinsty@goinsty.com _____________________________ Star Marking - Rubber Stamps 2425 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-4001 phone (800) 634-4002 toll free (715) 835-7078 fax stamps@starmarking.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From armand at curryonline.com Mon May 7 16:00:08 2007 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Mon May 7 16:00:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: <463F8094.9000902@goinsty.com> Message-ID: <0MKpCa-1Hl9NV1IZt-0007gf@mrelay.perfora.net> Our proof reading policy is simple... Our customers proof for layout and design, never for spelling. It is our responsibility to make sure we spell everything correctly. You screwed up. They gave you the information correctly. You typed it incorrectly. You pay. Simple. Open and shut case. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Rob Meier Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:40 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** The fax from the client reads, "I am not going to be responsible for proofreading for your employees." ... "The only thing I'm signing off on is how many we want." Our error was typing their web address "www.customer_one_line.com" instead of "www.customer_on_line.com". It was a change to their business cards - 2 words. They generally near #50 in our customer rankings each year and pay promptly. However, this is not the first time something like this has come up with them. They also do a few spendy mailings each year. Your opinions would be appreciated. Sincerely, Rob Meier -- _____________________________ Insty-Prints 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-1959 phone (800) 258-8122 toll free (715) 835-7078 fax goinsty@goinsty.com _____________________________ Star Marking - Rubber Stamps 2425 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-4001 phone (800) 634-4002 toll free (715) 835-7078 fax stamps@starmarking.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From slb at inkspot.net Mon May 7 16:00:10 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon May 7 16:00:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] My Wife's Mother's Day Porsche - Advice Needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <463F4D0A.22133.15217D67@slb.inkspot.net> Mike, I thought Tom Crouser had some advice on this one. He's always mentioning the "Porsche delivery vehicle" in his writings..... Steve > > Hi Everybody! > > I'm buying Jenny, my wife, a Porsche Cayman S for Mother's Day. I'm getting > the car at a big Mercedes, Cadillac, BMW and Porsche dealer in Chicago this > Friday. > > Here's my question: the dealership finance people have told me it's pretty > common for (luxury car) buyers to put cars in their business name for the > tax-deduction. How do they do that? My C.P.A. tells me it basically won't > work. What am I missing? Anybody have any smart ways to fund this car? > Thanks for your ideas! > > Mike Stevens > > _____________ > MikeStevens@InkIncOnline.com > 1-701-241-9204 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2247 (20070507) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From mail at myprinter.biz Mon May 7 16:00:59 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Mon May 7 16:03:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: <200705071944.l47JiN0c040143@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: I think you screwed up. Fix it or go to war and lose. S. Scott - I disagree. Rob didn't screw up - his client did. Whether or not Rob wants to try to save the client by eating the client's error is a very different matter than assuming responsibility for proofing the client's future work. The former might we wise. The latter is insane. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:44 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I think you screwed up. Fix it or go to war and lose. S. At 12:40 PM 5/7/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >The fax from the client reads, "I am not going to be responsible for >proofreading for your employees." ... "The only thing I'm signing >off on is how many we want." > >Our error was typing their web address "www.customer_one_line.com" >instead of "www.customer_on_line.com". It was a change to their >business cards - 2 words. > >They generally near #50 in our customer rankings each year and pay >promptly. However, this is not the first time something like this >has come up with them. They also do a few spendy mailings each year. > >Your opinions would be appreciated. > >Sincerely, >Rob Meier > > >-- >_____________________________ > >Insty-Prints >2429 E. Clairemont Ave. >Eau Claire, WI 54701 > >(715) 835-1959 phone >(800) 258-8122 toll free >(715) 835-7078 fax > >goinsty@goinsty.com > >_____________________________ > >Star Marking - Rubber Stamps >2425 E. Clairemont Ave. >Eau Claire, WI 54701 > >(715) 835-4001 phone >(800) 634-4002 toll free >(715) 835-7078 fax > >stamps@starmarking.com > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2248 (20070507) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From stumarty at wrightprinting.com Mon May 7 16:06:03 2007 From: stumarty at wrightprinting.com (Stu) Date: Mon May 7 16:06:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] My Wife's Mother's Day Porsche - Advice Needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On or about 3:23 PM -0400 5/7/07, Gail & Scott Finke emailed the following: >I guess I'm naive, I would never consider doing that. But if I did (see last >sentence, IRS people), I wouldn't put it in writing, especially on an email >list. Of course, maybe I'm paranoid too... I didn't get the impression that Mike was asking for some illegal method of hiding income. I think he was asking if there was a legal way to offset a portion of the vehicle's cost by running it through the business. In this case, I don't think so, because it is going to be Mrs. Stevens car, unless, perhaps, she does some sales for the company, or uses the car sometimes in some business related function. There are limits Mike. I have yet to figure out how to convince the IRS I use my Harley for deliveries. I hope Mrs. Old Stu doesn't find out about your wife's gift, because I'm sure it would deflate the perceived value of my gift-wrapped 4-pack of delicious Snickers Bars. I wrapped it myself, and I used top-shelf, Classic Linen Haviland Blue. -just old stu- -- =============== SETTING IT WRIGHT: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The odd "W" has always bothered me. A single letter containing three syllables. One has to wonder about the abbreviation "www" for "world wide web." To speak it requires nine syllables to represent what could be spoken in three (or four). - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wright Printing Co. -- Central Illinois' biggest little print shop. 203 North St., Normal, IL 61761 309 452-4409 Fax 452-7422 Personal Mobile Phone: 309 826-1132 (Stu) mailto:stu@wrightprinting.com - http://www.wrightprinting.com From armand at curryonline.com Mon May 7 16:10:08 2007 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Mon May 7 16:10:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What are you using for Clip Art In-Reply-To: <1BB55FBD-55F6-4001-B063-83CE341ED956@holmesprinting.com> Message-ID: <0MKp8S-1Hl9X722Pp-0002zZ@mrelay.perfora.net> We have several packages but my designers like www.clipart.com Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Carisa Holmes-Peters Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:46 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] What are you using for Clip Art ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** What are you using for Clip Art? We have been using Click Art 65,000 image pak....but it seems outdated. Thanks! Carisa Carisa Holmes-Peters Administrative Office Manager HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com http://www.holmesprinting.com/ ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! POSTERS, BANNERS, INDOOR/OUTDOOR AND MORE - CALL TODAY! ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mail at myprinter.biz Mon May 7 16:11:52 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Mon May 7 16:14:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Stu - If you and the two Scotts are correct, why do any of us provide our customers with proofs...and exactly how are you defining "proof?" In your scenario, it would seem to be a nearly meaningless transaction: "Here, look at this and see if you see anything wrong with it, but don't worry about looking too hard for errors, because we'll reprint it for free if you don't catch them." Not here as our final responsibility. Not now, and not ever. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Stu Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:53 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On or about 2:40 PM -0500 5/7/07, Rob Meier emailed the following: >Your opinions would be appreciated. I don't see the problem? You made an error. It was an error your people SHOULD have caught. Proofreading by the customer is to be sure it is the way they want it, but it (or the slip of paper they sign) is not a free pass excusing you from all mistakes. In my opinion, it is to be sure that you interpreted what they asked for correctly, and a final chance for everyone to spot any errors or omissions. This situation seems pretty clear to me -- it was YOUR mistake. Cheerfully redo the cards, and accept your responsibility. It will go far in restoring their confidence in your shop's ability to *satisfy* your clients. -just old stu- -- =============== SETTING IT WRIGHT: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The odd "W" has always bothered me. A single letter containing three syllables. One has to wonder about the abbreviation "www" for "world wide web." To speak it requires nine syllables to represent what could be spoken in three (or four). - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wright Printing Co. -- Central Illinois' biggest little print shop. 203 North St., Normal, IL 61761 309 452-4409 Fax 452-7422 Personal Mobile Phone: 309 826-1132 (Stu) mailto:stu@wrightprinting.com - http://www.wrightprinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From thom at acepm.com Mon May 7 16:13:21 2007 From: thom at acepm.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Mon May 7 16:14:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: <463F8094.9000902@goinsty.com> References: <463F8094.9000902@goinsty.com> Message-ID: <038901c790e4$28f5f760$7ae1e620$@com> I, personally, would hire JOHN HNEEYR to do your proofreading.... very through gyu he is. Cheep two! Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing 10 South Main Street Berlin, Maryland? 21811-1427 410-641-3636 / FAX 410-641-1167 Web Page: www.ACEPM.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider and a Microsoft Publisher Service Provider. We offer mailing services for First, Second and Standard class mailings. We handle everything from concept...to printing...to mailing! Ask us how we can SAVE YOU MONEY!!! -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Rob Meier Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:40 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** The fax from the client reads, "I am not going to be responsible for proofreading for your employees." ... "The only thing I'm signing off on is how many we want." Our error was typing their web address "www.customer_one_line.com" instead of "www.customer_on_line.com". It was a change to their business cards - 2 words. They generally near #50 in our customer rankings each year and pay promptly. However, this is not the first time something like this has come up with them. They also do a few spendy mailings each year. Your opinions would be appreciated. Sincerely, Rob Meier -- _____________________________ Insty-Prints 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-1959 phone (800) 258-8122 toll free (715) 835-7078 fax goinsty@goinsty.com _____________________________ Star Marking - Rubber Stamps 2425 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-4001 phone (800) 634-4002 toll free (715) 835-7078 fax stamps@starmarking.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From pressexpress at bfm.org Mon May 7 16:23:08 2007 From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Mon May 7 16:23:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: <463F8094.9000902@goinsty.com> References: <463F8094.9000902@goinsty.com> Message-ID: If it is just a simple business card, just rerun it. It is not worth the bad mouthing they can do, however. . . You give him his rerun cards and let him know that out of courtesy, you reran them, but next time proofing it is their final obligation. You MUST instill that even though you have internal proofing measures, final proofing is ultimately the responsibility of the client. Another way to put it is that you need their signature to release the job to press. Without their signature, it will not be advanced. It is your companies terms and most quick printer terms. I too have an abusive customer that never likes to sign off. Well, do it enough you will retrain the client. Greg On May 7, 2007, at 2:40 PM, Rob Meier wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > The fax from the client reads, "I am not going to be responsible > for proofreading for your employees." ... "The only thing I'm > signing off on is how many we want." > > Our error was typing their web address "www.customer_one_line.com" > instead of "www.customer_on_line.com". It was a change to their > business cards - 2 words. > > They generally near #50 in our customer rankings each year and pay > promptly. However, this is not the first time something like this > has come up with them. They also do a few spendy mailings each year. > > Your opinions would be appreciated. > > Sincerely, > Rob Meier > > > -- > _____________________________ > > Insty-Prints > 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. > Eau Claire, WI 54701 > > (715) 835-1959 phone > (800) 258-8122 toll free > (715) 835-7078 fax > > goinsty@goinsty.com > > _____________________________ > > Star Marking - Rubber Stamps > 2425 E. Clairemont Ave. > Eau Claire, WI 54701 > > (715) 835-4001 phone > (800) 634-4002 toll free > (715) 835-7078 fax > > stamps@starmarking.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From pressexpress at bfm.org Mon May 7 16:24:19 2007 From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Mon May 7 16:25:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What are you using for Clip Art In-Reply-To: <1BB55FBD-55F6-4001-B063-83CE341ED956@holmesprinting.com> References: <20070507192836.13AA882B07F@rb.enter.net> <1BB55FBD-55F6-4001-B063-83CE341ED956@holmesprinting.com> Message-ID: <127FB9A3-0444-4FC5-AA71-C753B1199692@bfm.org> Art Explosion, 750,000 g On May 7, 2007, at 2:46 PM, Carisa Holmes-Peters wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > What are you using for Clip Art? > > We have been using Click Art 65,000 image pak....but it seems > outdated. > > Thanks! > Carisa > > > Carisa Holmes-Peters > Administrative Office Manager > HOLMES Printing > 401 E. Columbia Street > Springfield, OH 45503 > Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 > Fax (937) 322-1601 > carisa@holmesprinting.com > http://www.holmesprinting.com/ > > ********************************************************************** > ***************************************************************** > WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! POSTERS, BANNERS, INDOOR/OUTDOOR AND > MORE - CALL TODAY! > ********************************************************************** > ***************************************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From russ at mobile-print.com Mon May 7 17:29:43 2007 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Mon May 7 16:30:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: <0MKpCa-1Hl9NV1IZt-0007gf@mrelay.perfora.net> References: <0MKpCa-1Hl9NV1IZt-0007gf@mrelay.perfora.net> Message-ID: <463F9A47.7020603@mobile-print.com> > Our proof reading policy is simple... Our customers proof for layout and > design, never for spelling. It is our responsibility to make sure we spell > everything correctly. > > I think that the original post is being misread. Rob never said anything about printing the job. He faxed a proof only, and the client faxed back a snide comment: "The fax from the client reads, "I am not going to be responsible for proofreading for your employees." ... "The only thing I'm signing off on is how many we want." " In other words, the client is basically saying that he refuses to proof the job at all and is signing off on quantity only. He's totally returning the final proofing responsibility back to the printer. Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847-398-6155 Fax: 847-398-0788 From roger at watermarksolutions.com Mon May 7 17:30:51 2007 From: roger at watermarksolutions.com (Roger Mouritsen) Date: Mon May 7 16:30:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: <463F8094.9000902@goinsty.com> Message-ID: Do you have a mind reader on staff? Why was proofing created? It is part of the legal transaction, would you give credit to a customer who refused to sign your credit app? Why do people think printers aren't entitled to the same respect and decency demanded by other business's, could it be the industry has never demanded respect?. (sorry for the rant but this sort of behavior really drives me nuts!) - Roger Mouritsen Watermark Integrated Print Solutions 1407 S. Dearborn St. Seattle, Washington 98144 206-443-4608 FAX 206-443-5670 roger@watermarksolutions.com www.watermarksolutions.com One to One Print Marketing > From: "Rob Meier" > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 14:40:04 -0500 > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > The fax from the client reads, "I am not going to be responsible for > proofreading for your employees." ... "The only thing I'm signing off on > is how many we want." > > Our error was typing their web address "www.customer_one_line.com" > instead of "www.customer_on_line.com". It was a change to their business > cards - 2 words. > > They generally near #50 in our customer rankings each year and pay > promptly. However, this is not the first time something like this has > come up with them. They also do a few spendy mailings each year. > > Your opinions would be appreciated. > > Sincerely, > Rob Meier > > > -- > _____________________________ > > Insty-Prints > 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. > Eau Claire, WI 54701 > > (715) 835-1959 phone > (800) 258-8122 toll free > (715) 835-7078 fax > > goinsty@goinsty.com > > _____________________________ > > Star Marking - Rubber Stamps > 2425 E. Clairemont Ave. > Eau Claire, WI 54701 > > (715) 835-4001 phone > (800) 634-4002 toll free > (715) 835-7078 fax > > stamps@starmarking.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From bherion at bucksdigital.com Mon May 7 16:17:12 2007 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Mon May 7 16:35:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: <20070507195749.97D2582B381@rb.enter.net> References: <20070507195749.97D2582B381@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070507161119.0292aa78@bucksdigital.com> At 03:57 PM 5/7/2007, you wrote: >Your opinions would be appreciated. Allow me to be blunt; do the right job or someone else will. Now, whether this client is worth keeping or not, your decision. Advice on how to minimize mistakes in typesetting: 1. Dial the phone number and see who answers. 2. Copy and paste url's into a browser. 3. Spell check everything, everytime...sometimes a key is hit accidentally while making minor corrections that aren't apparent unless you do this. 4. Add unusual terms or customer spellings to the dictionary...this is an often overlooked, yet powerful tool. I could go on with other best practices, but I need to get back to my own customers. Good luck. Bob Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From pressexpress at bfm.org Mon May 7 16:47:19 2007 From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Mon May 7 16:47:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: <463F9A47.7020603@mobile-print.com> References: <0MKpCa-1Hl9NV1IZt-0007gf@mrelay.perfora.net> <463F9A47.7020603@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: One last comment per snide remark, "Proof twice, print once". Again, you must stress that you DID proof internally, but we are human and it is always good to get a second set of eyes looking over the copy. And that should be the customer, signing off, releasing the job to press. Spell check will not capture errors on phone numbers, addresses, emails, etc. . . why heck, I have had customers that didn't even know their own phone number! How can that be your fault! On May 7, 2007, at 4:29 PM, Russ Peters wrote: > "I am not going to be responsible for proofreading for your > employees." From cpurvine1 at cox.net Mon May 7 16:56:00 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Mon May 7 16:56:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: References: <0MKpCa-1Hl9NV1IZt-0007gf@mrelay.perfora.net><463F9A47.7020603@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: <00fc01c790ea$1e8aac20$0200a8c0@corapurvine> I had one that ordered business cards for his wife and wasn't sure how to spell her name Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From kellycrom at gmail.com Mon May 7 16:57:39 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Mon May 7 16:59:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What are you using for Clip Art In-Reply-To: <1BB55FBD-55F6-4001-B063-83CE341ED956@holmesprinting.com> References: <20070507192836.13AA882B07F@rb.enter.net> <1BB55FBD-55F6-4001-B063-83CE341ED956@holmesprinting.com> Message-ID: <001201c790ea$5aceae70$6d01a8c0@KELLY> We've also been using the 750,000 Art Explosion set. Also, there is quite a bit of vector and tiff art on www.istockphoto.com. At just a few dollars an image(royalty free), it is sometimes easier to buy just what you need, rather than get more images than you will ever use. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 15724 Wayzata Blvd Wayzata, MN 55391 (952)475-3553 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Carisa > Holmes-Peters > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 2:46 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] What are you using for Clip Art > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > What are you using for Clip Art? > > We have been using Click Art 65,000 image pak....but it seems > outdated. > > Thanks! > Carisa > > > Carisa Holmes-Peters > Administrative Office Manager > HOLMES Printing > 401 E. Columbia Street > Springfield, OH 45503 > Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 > Fax (937) 322-1601 > carisa@holmesprinting.com > http://www.holmesprinting.com/ > > ************************************************************** > ********** > *************************************************************** > WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! POSTERS, BANNERS, INDOOR/OUTDOOR AND > MORE - CALL TODAY! > ************************************************************** > ********** > *************************************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From cpurvine1 at cox.net Mon May 7 17:03:59 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Mon May 7 17:04:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What are you using for Clip Art In-Reply-To: <001201c790ea$5aceae70$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <20070507192836.13AA882B07F@rb.enter.net><1BB55FBD-55F6-4001-B063-83CE341ED956@holmesprinting.com> <001201c790ea$5aceae70$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <00fe01c790eb$3be869f0$0200a8c0@corapurvine> I use the 750,000 Art Explosion set, Big box of art 1 million, IStock Photos and some Microsoft clipart. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From cpurvine1 at cox.net Mon May 7 17:06:33 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Mon May 7 17:06:35 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: References: <200705071944.l47JiN0c040143@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <00ff01c790eb$9913e280$0200a8c0@corapurvine> If you don't want them anymore, send them to me Since it would have been my mistake I would just apologize and redo it. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From dominick at fmtc.com Mon May 7 17:07:26 2007 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominicks Printing) Date: Mon May 7 17:09:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: <038901c790e4$28f5f760$7ae1e620$@com> References: <463F8094.9000902@goinsty.com> <038901c790e4$28f5f760$7ae1e620$@com> Message-ID: <463F950E.9090507@fmtc.com> I am tired of the customers flipping us crap like this every day. EXTREAMLY tired of it! I would simply fax back what is on the order page of the catalog we order pens from... "We are not responsible for ANY typographical errors, YOU are." Can you tell its been a Monday? Joe Dominick Dominick's Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541-881-1121 541-881-1155 fax 541-881-1599 http://www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com NEW! We are Ontario's ONLY Adobe Authorized Service Provider Microsoft Publisher File Welcome Here! Total Quality Printing using the Technology of Today! "Your InkJet Printer - 89 cents; Our Laser Prints - 50 cents; any questions?" > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > The fax from the client reads, "I am not going to be responsible for > proofreading for your employees." ... "The only thing I'm signing off on > is how many we want." > > Our error was typing their web address "www.customer_one_line.com" > instead of "www.customer_on_line.com". It was a change to their business > cards - 2 words. > > They generally near #50 in our customer rankings each year and pay > promptly. However, this is not the first time something like this has > come up with them. They also do a few spendy mailings each year. > > Your opinions would be appreciated. > > Sincerely, > Rob Meier > > > From armand at curryonline.com Mon May 7 17:11:05 2007 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Mon May 7 17:11:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0MKp8S-1HlAUC1b2m-00031Z@mrelay.perfora.net> I'm not sure what Stu's answer is, but I provide proofs (as I said in my last email) for LAYOUT and DESIGN. This is an area where the customer must be involved in the proofing process. Have we ever created typos? Absolutely. And often times our customers have caught the mistake and to them we are grateful for that. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 4:12 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Stu - If you and the two Scotts are correct, why do any of us provide our customers with proofs...and exactly how are you defining "proof?" In your scenario, it would seem to be a nearly meaningless transaction: "Here, look at this and see if you see anything wrong with it, but don't worry about looking too hard for errors, because we'll reprint it for free if you don't catch them." Not here as our final responsibility. Not now, and not ever. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Stu Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:53 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On or about 2:40 PM -0500 5/7/07, Rob Meier emailed the following: >Your opinions would be appreciated. I don't see the problem? You made an error. It was an error your people SHOULD have caught. Proofreading by the customer is to be sure it is the way they want it, but it (or the slip of paper they sign) is not a free pass excusing you from all mistakes. In my opinion, it is to be sure that you interpreted what they asked for correctly, and a final chance for everyone to spot any errors or omissions. This situation seems pretty clear to me -- it was YOUR mistake. Cheerfully redo the cards, and accept your responsibility. It will go far in restoring their confidence in your shop's ability to *satisfy* your clients. -just old stu- -- =============== SETTING IT WRIGHT: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The odd "W" has always bothered me. A single letter containing three syllables. One has to wonder about the abbreviation "www" for "world wide web." To speak it requires nine syllables to represent what could be spoken in three (or four). - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wright Printing Co. -- Central Illinois' biggest little print shop. 203 North St., Normal, IL 61761 309 452-4409 Fax 452-7422 Personal Mobile Phone: 309 826-1132 (Stu) mailto:stu@wrightprinting.com - http://www.wrightprinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpurvine1 at cox.net Mon May 7 17:47:33 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Mon May 7 17:47:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: <463F9A47.7020603@mobile-print.com> References: <0MKpCa-1Hl9NV1IZt-0007gf@mrelay.perfora.net> <463F9A47.7020603@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: <000301c790f1$51c26180$0200a8c0@corapurvine> You are right Russ. I misread it also. A fax like that would upset me. Thanks for pointing that out. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From printmail at goinsty.com Mon May 7 17:50:53 2007 From: printmail at goinsty.com (Rob Meier) Date: Mon May 7 17:51:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: References: <0MKpCa-1Hl9NV1IZt-0007gf@mrelay.perfora.net> <463F9A47.7020603@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: <463F9F3D.40102@goinsty.com> Wow! I didn't mean to open up this can 'o worms. Great feedback, though. My general policy has been a 50% discount to reprint jobs like this.That wasn't good enough. I agree with many that it was just a simple business card (their shells, too) and I usually just reprint to save an ugly scene, but it's the long term outlook that worries me. They are clear about what they think they're responsible for. I may opt to give them to Cora. Thanks everyone. This is what makes this list great. Rob Meier Greg Weinfurter wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > One last comment per snide remark, > > "Proof twice, print once". > > Again, you must stress that you DID proof internally, but we are human > and it is always good to get a second set of eyes looking over the > copy. And that should be the customer, signing off, releasing the job > to press. > > Spell check will not capture errors on phone numbers, addresses, > emails, etc. . . why heck, I have had customers that didn't even know > their own phone number! How can that be your fault! > > > On May 7, 2007, at 4:29 PM, Russ Peters wrote: > >> "I am not going to be responsible for proofreading for your employees." > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > -- _____________________________ Insty-Prints 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-1959 phone (800) 258-8122 toll free (715) 835-7078 fax goinsty@goinsty.com _____________________________ Star Marking - Rubber Stamps 2425 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-4001 phone (800) 634-4002 toll free (715) 835-7078 fax stamps@starmarking.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon May 7 18:00:30 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon May 7 18:00:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: <0MKp8S-1HlAUC1b2m-00031Z@mrelay.perfora.net> References: <0MKp8S-1HlAUC1b2m-00031Z@mrelay.perfora.net> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0705071500l4df87eddn7456a973d006c144@mail.gmail.com> This thread reveals all the different attitudes about what service REALLY is. We all talk about providing high-quality service, but we obviously don't all see it the same way. My take on this is simple. It's a business card with a tiny bit of text, and it embarrasses me when we send a business card proof with a typo in it. All business cards are proofed internally before being faxed or emailed to a customer. For all the text on a business card, it takes all of a minute or two. We charge for 3 (built into our bc typesetting price). All jobs get a cursory overview by the person who wrote the job before the proof is sent, to make sure the layout instructions were followed correctly. We DO expect customers to sign off on a proof for layout AND type accuracy, but I have a zero tolerance level for bc proofs sent out with typos. That said, Rob did not say he printed the card incorrectly, only that his customer made a comment about refusing to cover for his employees' mistakes. While it sounds snide, and goes against what we believe proofing is all about, the customer's *perception* is valid, IMO, assuming he clearly provided the correct information. LISTEN to what the customer is saying, and create a work procedure that fixes the problem before it happens again. My guess is this customer's comment does not refer to all typographical errors on any sized document, but that one as simple as the one in question, on something as simple as a business card, suggests a level of sloppiness which he/she is not willing to accept. I wouldn't either, and especially not if I got an argument about it. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com =================================== If you can do a half-assed job of anything, you're a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind. ~ Kurt Vonnegut From robin at protypeonline.com Mon May 7 18:11:42 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Mon May 7 18:11:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? Message-ID: so let me get this straight....if some of you print 1000 12 page full color newsletters and give the customer a proof and there is a misspelled word and the customer signs the proof and says "this proof is perfect, go ahead and print" -- then you deliver and they find the error -- it is YOUR fault and you would reprint for free? WOW -- Just Old Stu is as nice as I thought! I'm not nearly that nice! Sometimes we spend so much time on a job (like the 175 page county fair book we have out for proof now) we wouldn't see a typo if it bit us on the nose. And, we tell the customer quite clearly and repeatedly -- they need to proof or have someone else go over with a fine-toothed comb because as hard as we try -- it needs to be proofed by a fresh set of eyes and then the proof sheet needs to be signed. On a silly business card order -- not sure I would make a big deal of it. In the scheme of things, as an owner, aren't we supposed to decide on a case by case basis. Rob, if this customer has not intention of ever proofing anything, I believe I would cut him loose. Top 50 customer...no idea what annual gross sales that would be for you...but if it is only business cards -- Nice knowing you! Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From cpress at northnet.org Mon May 7 18:17:21 2007 From: cpress at northnet.org (Tracy Charleson) Date: Mon May 7 18:17:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: <20070507215105.34D9682BE7B@rb.enter.net> References: <20070507215105.34D9682BE7B@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <66ebcc598ed92c6c62ace748348ccf4d@northnet.org> We send proofs with every order and re-order. I can't tell you how many times the customer tells us they don't need or want a proof and we send them one anyway and they have changes. We have had occasions where they have given us the wrong info to begin with and were mighty glad when they caught it in the proof. We also try to proof their camera ready artwork and they are always grateful when we find their mistakes. We once were given the name Robert Kennedy for a program, the man's name was Joseph. That was embarrassing for all concerned. Sounds like a pompous lazy customer to me. No proof - No guarantee! Tracy L. Charleson Commercial Press, Inc. 216 Cowan Road Canton, New York 13617 Phone: 315-386-3431 Fax: 315-386-5259 email: cpress@northnet.org commercialpressink.com On May 7, 2007, at 5:51 PM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 15:07:26 -0600 > From: Dominicks Printing > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Message-ID: <463F950E.9090507@fmtc.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I am tired of the customers flipping us crap like this every day. > EXTREAMLY tired of it! > > I would simply fax back what is on the order page of the catalog we > order pens from... > > "We are not responsible for ANY typographical errors, YOU are." > > Can you tell its been a Monday? > > Joe Dominick > Dominick's Printing > 542 W. Idaho Avenue > Ontario Oregon 97914 > 541-881-1121 > 541-881-1155 > fax 541-881-1599 > > http://www.dominicksprinting.com > dominick@fmtc.com > > NEW! We are Ontario's ONLY Adobe Authorized Service Provider > Microsoft Publisher File Welcome Here! > > Total Quality Printing using the Technology of Today! > > "Your InkJet Printer - 89 cents; Our Laser Prints - 50 cents; any > questions?" > > > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> The fax from the client reads, "I am not going to be responsible for >> proofreading for your employees." ... "The only thing I'm signing off >> on >> is how many we want." >> >> Our error was typing their web address "www.customer_one_line.com" >> instead of "www.customer_on_line.com". It was a change to their >> business >> cards - 2 words. >> >> They generally near #50 in our customer rankings each year and pay >> promptly. However, this is not the first time something like this has >> come up with them. They also do a few spendy mailings each year. >> >> Your opinions would be appreciated. >> >> Sincerely, >> Rob Meier >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > From ep101 at technaprint.com Mon May 7 18:22:48 2007 From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson) Date: Mon May 7 18:22:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: <463F9F3D.40102@goinsty.com> Message-ID: > I agree with many that > it was just a simple business card (their shells, too) and I usually > just reprint to save an ugly scene, but it's the long term outlook that > worries me. I'd reprint this one. But since they've indicated that they'd like to abdicate their responsibility for proofreading copy... You may need to rethink your pricing for this client. If you aren't allowing enough in the job to cover the added precision with which your customer expects you to perform at and/or to cover those occasional jobs you'll eat by accepting this responsibility, then you need to raise the price to cover it. If they go away...oh well. If you're charging for and they're paying for the added level of service/precision, there shouldn't be an argument. JMT Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." Thomas Jefferson From jedwards at printzilla.net Mon May 7 18:23:46 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Mon May 7 18:25:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: <463F9A47.7020603@mobile-print.com> References: <0MKpCa-1Hl9NV1IZt-0007gf@mrelay.perfora.net> <463F9A47.7020603@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: On May 7, 2007, at 4:29 PM, Russ Peters wrote: > > I think that the original post is being misread. > Rob never said anything about printing the job. He faxed a proof > only, and the client faxed back a snide comment: > > "The fax from the client reads, "I am not going to be responsible > for proofreading for your employees." ... "The only thing I'm > signing off on is how many we want." " > Back in that first year or so we used a phototypesetting service and that is exactly how I felt about proofing for typos. And, I might have used those exact same words. The frustration of dealing with an outside service led to the purchase of a Mac and upon typesetting my first set of business cards I ate those words. So, we adopted the same policy as the typesetting service, "Favor de no estar chingando" (she was from Mexico City) which translated means "Please Proof Carefully". But still, typos are embarrassing. Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas From QKCONSULT at aol.com Mon May 7 18:27:14 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Mon May 7 18:27:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] My Wife's Mother's Day Porsche - Advice Needed Message-ID: In a message dated 5/7/2007 4:18:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, stumarty@wrightprinting.com writes: There are limits Mike. I have yet to figure out how to convince the IRS I use my Harley for deliveries. Why not? You need a better, possibly smarter CPA who isn't afraid of an audit. Motorcycles are used for delivery vehicles in major cities and the costs of same are deducted as a legitimate business expense. I'm not sure a Harley would ever have to be listed as a Harley, but rather simply as a delivery vehicle, and of course it would indeed have to be used on occasion.... we are talking about tax avoidance, not tax evasion... the former being perfectly legal while the latter is not. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From ep101 at technaprint.com Mon May 7 18:31:57 2007 From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson) Date: Mon May 7 18:32:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0705071500l4df87eddn7456a973d006c144@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > My > guess is this customer's comment does not refer to all typographical errors > on any sized document, but that one as simple as the one in question, on > something as simple as a business card, suggests a level of sloppiness which > he/she is not willing to accept. I wouldn't either, and especially not if I > got an argument about it. I also agree with Michael's comments. Beyond that, work toward automating as much of the routine business card input as you can through e-commerce tools. Our customers love these tools and they know that where they're entering the data, that proofing responsibility has been moved upstream to them in order to save time. The tools allow the ability to HELP control data input with field validation and the like which keeps problems to a minimum (for example restricting the domain on email addresses where a default will fill in "@abccorp.com" or the phone number will be constrained to a particular format 999.999.9999, titles will be listed in dropdown menus, etc.). Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com From char at themasterspress.com Mon May 7 18:33:04 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Mon May 7 18:33:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] My Wife's Mother's Day Porsche - Advice Needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01e001c790f7$adfb2df0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Stu you would have to convince them first that you make deliveries period or that you work. :-) ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com From pressexpress at bfm.org Mon May 7 18:33:44 2007 From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Mon May 7 18:33:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] emailing artwork Message-ID: Thanks to the birth and growth of the internet and electronic file transfer, we have been plagued with seemingly simple requests from clients to forward their logo onto other sources like their shirt printer, newspaper for that ad, ad specialty provider, etc. . . Fine and dandy. Forwarding a logo here and a logo there, no biggie, but now it appears to be eating into production because of we are doing it 6-10-14 times a week for various customers. We seem to be a "complimentary artwork archive" for our clients. To further complicate this, some customers call us multiple times, meaning, one week we send it to their shirt printer, next week to their web designer, etc. Also, many idiots out there can't deal with a specific file format so we need to reconvert the logo to THEIR needs costing us further down time. I have even given customers their logo on CD, they just loose it and ask for more. Now enough is enough, we recently implemented a $10.00 "file transfer" charge just to cover our labor, but I am finding most people take offense to the fact that I want to charge them to forward out their logo. For some reason, most everyone seems to think that I SHOULD forward out their logo to them or other vendors for free. They just think it is just a mouse click to do and do not realize that we are requested to do this several times a week. Am I alone here? Love to hear some feedback. G From cpurvine1 at cox.net Mon May 7 18:33:52 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Mon May 7 18:33:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: References: <463F9F3D.40102@goinsty.com> Message-ID: <001101c790f7$cc33d7e0$0200a8c0@corapurvine> Eric, he did say that he didn't feel he should have to check the printer's typos and I have to agree with him on that. If he sent it in correctly and in the typesetting, letters got transposed, etc. I would reprint it because it was my fault. It would hurt, but if it was my fault, I would reprint. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Eric Pearson Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 5:23 PM To: printowners printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > I agree with many that > it was just a simple business card (their shells, too) and I usually > just reprint to save an ugly scene, but it's the long term outlook > that worries me. I'd reprint this one. But since they've indicated that they'd like to abdicate their responsibility for proofreading copy... You may need to rethink your pricing for this client. If you aren't allowing enough in the job to cover the added precision with which your customer expects you to perform at and/or to cover those occasional jobs you'll eat by accepting this responsibility, then you need to raise the price to cover it. If they go away...oh well. If you're charging for and they're paying for the added level of service/precision, there shouldn't be an argument. JMT Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." Thomas Jefferson _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2248 (20070507) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From brianoday at eprint.us Mon May 7 18:35:26 2007 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Mon May 7 18:35:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: <463F8094.9000902@goinsty.com> References: <463F8094.9000902@goinsty.com> Message-ID: <009c01c790f8$02e8aa40$6701a8c0@Brian> Too bad I am not near you I would just take this client away! Out here we don't have that many customers to send them packing if we make a mistake. It is a long game you are just saying I am going to take the ball home if you don't play my way. I would get my money eventually. If you send him away he won't pay for your mistake and you won't get to get any more of his money. I would apologize and reprint the card. Then I would talk to the person who set the card and tell them to be more careful and proof their work. Brian O'Day ePrint Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Rob Meier Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 12:40 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** The fax from the client reads, "I am not going to be responsible for proofreading for your employees." ... "The only thing I'm signing off on is how many we want." Our error was typing their web address "www.customer_one_line.com" instead of "www.customer_on_line.com". It was a change to their business cards - 2 words. They generally near #50 in our customer rankings each year and pay promptly. However, this is not the first time something like this has come up with them. They also do a few spendy mailings each year. Your opinions would be appreciated. Sincerely, Rob Meier -- _____________________________ Insty-Prints 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-1959 phone (800) 258-8122 toll free (715) 835-7078 fax goinsty@goinsty.com _____________________________ Star Marking - Rubber Stamps 2425 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-4001 phone (800) 634-4002 toll free (715) 835-7078 fax stamps@starmarking.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From rstor at copycats.com Mon May 7 18:35:02 2007 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Mon May 7 18:37:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: <463F8094.9000902@goinsty.com> References: <463F8094.9000902@goinsty.com> Message-ID: <463FA996.7060802@copycats.com> Proof sign-offs are meaningless if you get into a dispute, because you might get them to pay the $50 but you'll lose the lifetime business of the client. Especially if you screwed up. Tell your typesetter to proof before showing art to the client. If you want to keep the customer apologize, redo the card, and tell them that you are going to fix your hole in your quality control. Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY www.copycats.com Rob Meier wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > The fax from the client reads, "I am not going to be responsible for > proofreading for your employees." ... "The only thing I'm signing off > on is how many we want." > > Our error was typing their web address "www.customer_one_line.com" > instead of "www.customer_on_line.com". It was a change to their > business cards - 2 words. > > They generally near #50 in our customer rankings each year and pay > promptly. However, this is not the first time something like this has > come up with them. They also do a few spendy mailings each year. > > Your opinions would be appreciated. > > Sincerely, > Rob Meier > > From cpurvine1 at cox.net Mon May 7 18:43:18 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Mon May 7 18:43:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] emailing artwork In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001201c790f9$1d872100$0200a8c0@corapurvine> No, you are not alone. It seems like it is getting worse. I feel that these other business that our customers use, get the artwork free and don't have to produce it like we did. I am doing an ad for one of my clients right now for the Yellow Pages. He doesn't like the way they did it. I am going to charge him for it though, but I have some customers that want their art for sign companies to put on their vehicles and for newspaper ads all the time. I would like to see how others are handling this problem also. Thanks for bringing it up Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Greg Weinfurter Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 5:34 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] emailing artwork ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Thanks to the birth and growth of the internet and electronic file transfer, we have been plagued with seemingly simple requests from clients to forward their logo onto other sources like their shirt printer, newspaper for that ad, ad specialty provider, etc. . . Fine and dandy. Forwarding a logo here and a logo there, no biggie, but now it appears to be eating into production because of we are doing it 6-10-14 times a week for various customers. We seem to be a "complimentary artwork archive" for our clients. To further complicate this, some customers call us multiple times, meaning, one week we send it to their shirt printer, next week to their web designer, etc. Also, many idiots out there can't deal with a specific file format so we need to reconvert the logo to THEIR needs costing us further down time. I have even given customers their logo on CD, they just loose it and ask for more. Now enough is enough, we recently implemented a $10.00 "file transfer" charge just to cover our labor, but I am finding most people take offense to the fact that I want to charge them to forward out their logo. For some reason, most everyone seems to think that I SHOULD forward out their logo to them or other vendors for free. They just think it is just a mouse click to do and do not realize that we are requested to do this several times a week. Am I alone here? Love to hear some feedback. G _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2248 (20070507) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From stumarty at wrightprinting.com Mon May 7 18:44:24 2007 From: stumarty at wrightprinting.com (Stu) Date: Mon May 7 18:44:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] My Wife's Mother's Day Porsche - Advice Needed In-Reply-To: <01e001c790f7$adfb2df0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <01e001c790f7$adfb2df0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: On or about 5:33 PM -0500 5/7/07, Charlene Sims emailed the following: >Stu you would have to convince them first that you make deliveries period or >that you work. touche' -just old stu- -- =============== SETTING IT WRIGHT: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The odd "W" has always bothered me. A single letter containing three syllables. One has to wonder about the abbreviation "www" for "world wide web." To speak it requires nine syllables to represent what could be spoken in three (or four). - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wright Printing Co. -- Central Illinois' biggest little print shop. 203 North St., Normal, IL 61761 309 452-4409 Fax 452-7422 Personal Mobile Phone: 309 826-1132 (Stu) mailto:stu@wrightprinting.com - http://www.wrightprinting.com From ep101 at technaprint.com Mon May 7 18:53:10 2007 From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson) Date: Mon May 7 18:53:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] My Wife's Mother's Day Porsche - Advice Needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I'm not sure a Harley > would ever have to be listed as a Harley, but rather simply as a delivery > vehicle, and of course it would indeed have to be used on occasion.... John, you piqued my curiosity. As a Harley rider, you got me thinking... what a wonderful idea...letting the company reimburse me for the business mileage I put on our bike. I can't find a darned thing on cycles as pertains to mileage on the IRS website. On publication IR-2006-168 it states: "Beginning Jan. 1, 2007, the standard mileage rates for the use of a car (including vans, pickups or panel trucks) will be: 48.5 cents per mile for business miles driven; 20 cents per mile driven for medical or moving purposes; and 14 cents per mile driven in service to a charitable organization." There's nothing there about motorcycles. Anyone else have anything to go on here or are we going to have to pool our money and get a CPA to chime in on this? Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com From slb at inkspot.net Mon May 7 19:00:41 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon May 7 19:00:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] emailing artwork In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <463F7759.5648.15C6C069@slb.inkspot.net> For many of our smaller customers, and for a few of our larger ones, we have become the de facto custodians of the artwork for their logos. If they're regular customers (i.e., if we can easily remember their last few orders), we not only send the logo files, we offer to talk directly with their sign guy, mug guy, pen guy, or whatever, so we send the format they need. It's a level of service that's easy to deliver, easy to bury in the "black hole" rate , and, it turns out, hard for them to get from our competitors. IMO, these extra, service-oriented contacts with the customer are not a bad thing... YMMV, Steve > > Thanks to the birth and growth of the internet and electronic file > transfer, we have been plagued with seemingly simple requests from > clients to forward their logo onto other sources like their shirt > printer, newspaper for that ad, ad specialty provider, etc. . . > > Fine and dandy. Forwarding a logo here and a logo there, no biggie, > but now it appears to be eating into production because of we are > doing it 6-10-14 times a week for various customers. We seem to be a > "complimentary artwork archive" for our clients. > > To further complicate this, some customers call us multiple times, > meaning, one week we send it to their shirt printer, next week to > their web designer, etc. Also, many idiots out there can't deal with > a specific file format so we need to reconvert the logo to THEIR > needs costing us further down time. I have even given customers > their logo on CD, they just loose it and ask for more. > > Now enough is enough, we recently implemented a $10.00 "file > transfer" charge just to cover our labor, but I am finding most > people take offense to the fact that I want to charge them to forward > out their logo. For some reason, most everyone seems to think that I > SHOULD forward out their logo to them or other vendors for free. > They just think it is just a mouse click to do and do not realize > that we are requested to do this several times a week. > > Am I alone here? > > Love to hear some feedback. > > G > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2248 (20070507) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From bernies at printnetusa.com Mon May 7 19:01:51 2007 From: bernies at printnetusa.com (BernieS) Date: Mon May 7 19:01:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] emailing artwork In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00e101c790fb$b349d5a0$dd8df745@DG2CHT61> We charge $11.17 for accessing a single file, either to open it, transfer it, etc. Formatting changes not included - calculate the time required. Bernie Schreiber 615.352.4122 bernies@printnetusa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Greg Weinfurter Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 5:34 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] emailing artwork ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Thanks to the birth and growth of the internet and electronic file transfer, we have been plagued with seemingly simple requests from clients to forward their logo onto other sources like their shirt printer, newspaper for that ad, ad specialty provider, etc. . . Fine and dandy. Forwarding a logo here and a logo there, no biggie, but now it appears to be eating into production because of we are doing it 6-10-14 times a week for various customers. We seem to be a "complimentary artwork archive" for our clients. To further complicate this, some customers call us multiple times, meaning, one week we send it to their shirt printer, next week to their web designer, etc. Also, many idiots out there can't deal with a specific file format so we need to reconvert the logo to THEIR needs costing us further down time. I have even given customers their logo on CD, they just loose it and ask for more. Now enough is enough, we recently implemented a $10.00 "file transfer" charge just to cover our labor, but I am finding most people take offense to the fact that I want to charge them to forward out their logo. For some reason, most everyone seems to think that I SHOULD forward out their logo to them or other vendors for free. They just think it is just a mouse click to do and do not realize that we are requested to do this several times a week. Am I alone here? Love to hear some feedback. G _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From slb at inkspot.net Mon May 7 19:12:57 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon May 7 19:13:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: <463F8094.9000902@goinsty.com> References: Message-ID: <463F7A39.20484.15D1FDFC@slb.inkspot.net> Years ago, when we brought typesetting in-house, we were quick to stand on ceremony on this issue. However, someone's words (maybe Stu or Paris) struck a chord--we should not expect our customers to be the quality-control for our typesetting department. Since that epiphany, our policy has been that, if we were given the correct information and instructions, and failed to follow them, the reprint is our responsibility. If we accurately set the (incorrect) information given to us by the customer, especially if it's information we should have had in our files (phone numbers, spellings of names of the principals, etc.), we'll either eat it or negotiate, depending on the usual factors. If we could only have known that the information we were given was incorrect through heroic means or mind- reading, we expect to be paid fairly for the work we did. Of course, this only works because we proof internally, double-check phone numbers and web addresses, etc. When we screw up, we can always trace it to taking a "short cut" in our normal proofing process, usually because a job is a rush. And, speaking of rush jobs, we are careful to explain to customers that errors are more likely on rush jobs, and we expect them to proofread seriously and carefully on jobs like event programs, that everyone has seen so many times, in so many versions, and on so short a timetable, that errors are otherwise nearly inevitable. Even so, we do our best to go through the whole paper trail of changes on a job before it's actually produced. YMMV, Steve > > The fax from the client reads, "I am not going to be responsible for > proofreading for your employees." ... "The only thing I'm signing off on > is how many we want." > > Our error was typing their web address "www.customer_one_line.com" > instead of "www.customer_on_line.com". It was a change to their business > cards - 2 words. > > They generally near #50 in our customer rankings each year and pay > promptly. However, this is not the first time something like this has > come up with them. They also do a few spendy mailings each year. > > Your opinions would be appreciated. > > Sincerely, > Rob Meier > > > -- > _____________________________ > > Insty-Prints > 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. > Eau Claire, WI 54701 > > (715) 835-1959 phone > (800) 258-8122 toll free > (715) 835-7078 fax > > goinsty@goinsty.com > > _____________________________ > > Star Marking - Rubber Stamps > 2425 E. Clairemont Ave. > Eau Claire, WI 54701 > > (715) 835-4001 phone > (800) 634-4002 toll free > (715) 835-7078 fax > > stamps@starmarking.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2248 (20070507) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From stumarty at wrightprinting.com Mon May 7 19:13:27 2007 From: stumarty at wrightprinting.com (Stu) Date: Mon May 7 19:13:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? Message-ID: Ok, ok!!! Perhaps something like this? Dear Former Customer, It is the standard trade and custom of most successful printers to avoid reprinting any job, once it has been printed. Mistakes are costly, and we sure as hell aren't going to be held responsible for any mistakes we might make if you are not professional enough to spot them. We expect our customers to be skilled in proofreading, and that includes being able to spell, as well as proper punctuation and spotting transposed numbers. If you expect us to waste our time looking for errors, you need to find another printer. I would suggest one of those hoity-toity shops that offers professional typesetting/typography, and some wild claims like "personal, professional service." We are in business to make a profit, and it is customers like you who cause businesses like us to fail. Basically, it boils down to your lofty expectations that our final product match your original requirements. You need to take a step back and accept the fact that your needs MUST fit closely to what we are capable of producing, and don't expect anything more. Typos are the nature of our business. Printers have been producing typos ever since movable type -- DUH, it moves -- get a clue! The whole reason behind asking you to proof our work is so that we are no longer responsible for any errors. Do you think we ask you to proof just to be sure everything is correct? Why would we care if it was correct? It's not like it would be OUR fault, silly! Pay your bill, and go away. We still have dozens of customers who haven't yet found any mistakes with our work. -just old stu- -- =============== SETTING IT WRIGHT: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The odd "W" has always bothered me. A single letter containing three syllables. One has to wonder about the abbreviation "www" for "world wide web." To speak it requires nine syllables to represent what could be spoken in three (or four). - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wright Printing Co. -- Central Illinois' biggest little print shop. 203 North St., Normal, IL 61761 309 452-4409 Fax 452-7422 Personal Mobile Phone: 309 826-1132 (Stu) mailto:stu@wrightprinting.com - http://www.wrightprinting.com From brianoday at eprint.us Mon May 7 19:39:35 2007 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Mon May 7 19:39:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] My Wife's Mother's Day Porsche - Advice Needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00a301c79100$f9121d90$6701a8c0@Brian> When I was in business school a very smart tax law teacher always said "When in doubt deduct" TO me mileage is mileage and I wouldn't read that far down into the law. Also I sure wouldn't want a CPA to decrease my doubt and believe me I have a very doubtful CPA what he doesn't know won't hurt him. Brian O'Day ePrint Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Eric Pearson Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:53 PM To: printowners printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] My Wife's Mother's Day Porsche - Advice Needed ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > I'm not sure a Harley > would ever have to be listed as a Harley, but rather simply as a delivery > vehicle, and of course it would indeed have to be used on occasion.... John, you piqued my curiosity. As a Harley rider, you got me thinking... what a wonderful idea...letting the company reimburse me for the business mileage I put on our bike. I can't find a darned thing on cycles as pertains to mileage on the IRS website. On publication IR-2006-168 it states: "Beginning Jan. 1, 2007, the standard mileage rates for the use of a car (including vans, pickups or panel trucks) will be: 48.5 cents per mile for business miles driven; 20 cents per mile driven for medical or moving purposes; and 14 cents per mile driven in service to a charitable organization." There's nothing there about motorcycles. Anyone else have anything to go on here or are we going to have to pool our money and get a CPA to chime in on this? Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From homedespot1 at yahoo.com Mon May 7 19:46:06 2007 From: homedespot1 at yahoo.com (Jen Adelman) Date: Mon May 7 19:46:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <965250.31250.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have to say I disagree with this, and with many of the comments. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding something but we have a sign off policy. If the customer signs it then, and ONLY then, is it good to print. If what we print matches what they sign off on then I don't reprint it for free. Now there are exceptions to this for a very good customer. Also I will do the original at cost or the second for cost to be helpful but... Customers should take responsibility for some of the things they do. I try hard to proofread, catch mistakes, dates etc. and if I do catch them I'll stop the presses. We all do that. But in the end if a customer signs off on a proof...well why have them sign a proof at all if it is so meaningless? I guess I just don't get it per as usual. Jennifer Adelman Roller --- Stu wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Ok, ok!!! Perhaps something like this? > > Dear Former Customer, > > It is the standard trade and custom of most > successful printers to > avoid reprinting any job, once it has been printed. > Mistakes are > costly, and we sure as hell aren't going to be held > responsible for > any mistakes we might make if you are not > professional enough to spot > them. We expect our customers to be skilled in > proofreading, and that > includes being able to spell, as well as proper > punctuation and > spotting transposed numbers. If you expect us to > waste our time > looking for errors, you need to find another > printer. I would suggest > one of those hoity-toity shops that offers > professional > typesetting/typography, and some wild claims like > "personal, > professional service." We are in business to make a > profit, and it is > customers like you who cause businesses like us to > fail. > > Basically, it boils down to your lofty expectations > that our final > product match your original requirements. You need > to take a step > back and accept the fact that your needs MUST fit > closely to what we > are capable of producing, and don't expect anything > more. > > Typos are the nature of our business. Printers have > been producing > typos ever since movable type -- DUH, it moves -- > get a clue! > > The whole reason behind asking you to proof our work > is so that we > are no longer responsible for any errors. Do you > think we ask you to > proof just to be sure everything is correct? Why > would we care if it > was correct? It's not like it would be OUR fault, > silly! > > Pay your bill, and go away. We still have dozens of > customers who > haven't yet found any mistakes with our work. > > -just old stu- > -- > > =============== > SETTING IT WRIGHT: > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > - - - - - - - - - > - - - - - - - - - > The odd "W" has always bothered me. A single letter > containing three > syllables. One has to wonder about the abbreviation > "www" for "world > wide web." To speak it requires nine syllables to > represent what > could be spoken in three (or four). > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > - - - - - - - - - > - - - - - - - - - > Wright Printing Co. -- Central Illinois' biggest > little print shop. > 203 North St., Normal, IL 61761 309 452-4409 Fax > 452-7422 > Personal Mobile Phone: 309 826-1132 (Stu) > mailto:stu@wrightprinting.com - > http://www.wrightprinting.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail From nelsonind at sbcglobal.net Mon May 7 19:53:19 2007 From: nelsonind at sbcglobal.net (Curtis Nelson) Date: Mon May 7 19:53:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] My Wife's Mother's Day Porsche - IRS Motorcycle guidelines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <463FBBEF.6030103@sbcglobal.net> The IRS gives "free advice" on this topic. I called the IRS on this specific point a few months ago. I recently purchased a used sport motorcycle - Suzuki GSX600 (quite fast and fun). I was told that a motorcycle qualifies exactly like a car. You must keep track of your mileage and you must be able to use it for "business use". I have a backpack and deliver small jobs in one box tied down with a small cargo net on the back seat. I take occasional photos in order to have proof of the delivery capabilities. It does NOT work for picking up(or delivering) cases of paper or something very heavy. I recently put a carton of 2,500 envelopes on the back seat, tied it down, and took a picture of it (and actually delivered it). That would have been one huge mess if it ever came flying off.... The customer joked that he would have recieved some free advertising at my expense. Here is my suggestion with the IRS, if you can honestly justify it in your mind (and it makes logical sense), Go for it! You are allowed to take every legitimate tax deduction possible! If you claim that you are using a two seat sports car for delivering large orders, I wish you luck! I also have a 98 Dodge Durango for my larger deliveries. Curtis Nelson Nelson Industries San Jose, CA 408-452-0116 Eric Pearson wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >>I'm not sure a Harley >>would ever have to be listed as a Harley, but rather simply as a delivery >>vehicle, and of course it would indeed have to be used on occasion.... >> >> > >John, you piqued my curiosity. As a Harley rider, you got me thinking... >what a wonderful idea...letting the company reimburse me for the business >mileage I put on our bike. I can't find a darned thing on cycles as pertains >to mileage on the IRS website. > >On publication IR-2006-168 it states: > >"Beginning Jan. 1, 2007, the standard mileage rates for the use of a car >(including vans, pickups or panel trucks) will be: > >48.5 cents per mile for business miles driven; >20 cents per mile driven for medical or moving purposes; and >14 cents per mile driven in service to a charitable organization." > >There's nothing there about motorcycles. Anyone else have anything to go on >here or are we going to have to pool our money and get a CPA to chime in on >this? > >Eric Pearson >President/C.E.O. > >------------ > >TechnaPrint, Inc. >909 Garfield Street >Eugene, OR 97402-2706 >(541) 344-4062 >(541) 344-1765 Fax > >ep101@technaprint.com >www.technaprint.com > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From roger at watermarksolutions.com Mon May 7 22:14:04 2007 From: roger at watermarksolutions.com (Roger Mouritsen) Date: Mon May 7 21:14:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: <965250.31250.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Fascinating responses, I'm rethinking our policy! Many interpretations all of which seem to have merit, are these policies that would apply in all cases or are they specific to a business card order? I would be interested if anyone would change their position if the job was outsourced at a cost to you of $10,000 and you marked it up 15% as well as your charges for typesetting. The company you outsourced to had you sign off on their proof. Would anyone treat this differently? - Roger Mouritsen Watermark Integrated Print Solutions 1407 S. Dearborn St. Seattle, Washington 98144 206-443-4608 FAX 206-443-5670 roger@watermarksolutions.com www.watermarksolutions.com One to One Print Marketing > From: "Jen Adelman" > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:46:06 -0700 (PDT) > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have to say I disagree with this, and with many of > the comments. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding something > but we have a sign off policy. If the customer signs > it then, and ONLY then, is it good to print. If what > we print matches what they sign off on then I don't > reprint it for free. > > Now there are exceptions to this for a very good > customer. Also I will do the original at cost or the > second for cost to be helpful but... > > Customers should take responsibility for some of the > things they do. I try hard to proofread, catch > mistakes, dates etc. and if I do catch them I'll stop > the presses. We all do that. But in the end if a > customer signs off on a proof...well why have them > sign a proof at all if it is so meaningless? > > I guess I just don't get it per as usual. > > Jennifer Adelman > Roller > --- Stu wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Ok, ok!!! Perhaps something like this? >> >> Dear Former Customer, >> >> It is the standard trade and custom of most >> successful printers to >> avoid reprinting any job, once it has been printed. >> Mistakes are >> costly, and we sure as hell aren't going to be held >> responsible for >> any mistakes we might make if you are not >> professional enough to spot >> them. We expect our customers to be skilled in >> proofreading, and that >> includes being able to spell, as well as proper >> punctuation and >> spotting transposed numbers. If you expect us to >> waste our time >> looking for errors, you need to find another >> printer. I would suggest >> one of those hoity-toity shops that offers >> professional >> typesetting/typography, and some wild claims like >> "personal, >> professional service." We are in business to make a >> profit, and it is >> customers like you who cause businesses like us to >> fail. >> >> Basically, it boils down to your lofty expectations >> that our final >> product match your original requirements. You need >> to take a step >> back and accept the fact that your needs MUST fit >> closely to what we >> are capable of producing, and don't expect anything >> more. >> >> Typos are the nature of our business. Printers have >> been producing >> typos ever since movable type -- DUH, it moves -- >> get a clue! >> >> The whole reason behind asking you to proof our work >> is so that we >> are no longer responsible for any errors. Do you >> think we ask you to >> proof just to be sure everything is correct? Why >> would we care if it >> was correct? It's not like it would be OUR fault, >> silly! >> >> Pay your bill, and go away. We still have dozens of >> customers who >> haven't yet found any mistakes with our work. >> >> -just old stu- >> -- >> >> =============== >> SETTING IT WRIGHT: >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> - - - - - - - - - >> - - - - - - - - - >> The odd "W" has always bothered me. A single letter >> containing three >> syllables. One has to wonder about the abbreviation >> "www" for "world >> wide web." To speak it requires nine syllables to >> represent what >> could be spoken in three (or four). >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> - - - - - - - - - >> - - - - - - - - - >> Wright Printing Co. -- Central Illinois' biggest >> little print shop. >> 203 North St., Normal, IL 61761 309 452-4409 Fax >> 452-7422 >> Personal Mobile Phone: 309 826-1132 (Stu) >> mailto:stu@wrightprinting.com - >> http://www.wrightprinting.com >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: >> http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________________ > ______ > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From bill at mauiprintworks.com Mon May 7 21:29:09 2007 From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works) Date: Mon May 7 21:29:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: <463F8094.9000902@goinsty.com> References: <463F8094.9000902@goinsty.com> Message-ID: How about a response like. OK we just thought we'd save you extra cost. Our typesetting charges are $80.00 per hour but our Proofreading (no error guaranteed) charges are $160.00 per hour (minimum 1 hour). You know proofreading is hard, look at all the errors on this list. Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku, HI 96793 (808)242-6634 Fax (808)242-8967 bill@mauiprintworks.com www. mauiprintworks.com > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > The fax from the client reads, "I am not going to be responsible for > proofreading for your employees." ... "The only thing I'm signing off > on is how many we want." > > Our error was typing their web address "www.customer_one_line.com" > instead of "www.customer_on_line.com". It was a change to their > business cards - 2 words. > > They generally near #50 in our customer rankings each year and pay > promptly. However, this is not the first time something like this has > come up with them. They also do a few spendy mailings each year. > > Your opinions would be appreciated. > > Sincerely, > Rob Meier > > Insty-Prints > 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. > Eau Claire, WI 54701 > > (715) 835-1959 phone > (800) 258-8122 toll free > (715) 835-7078 fax > > goinsty@goinsty.com From slb at inkspot.net Mon May 7 22:03:03 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon May 7 22:03:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: References: <965250.31250.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <463FA217.18912.166DB606@slb.inkspot.net> Every job of that nature gets proofed twice (very carefully) before it is sent. We occasionally eat a business card, but we've never eaten a big job. Even so, such jobs are sent with more than a little trepidation. That said, I also wouldn't consider a 15% markup adequate if I had $10,000 at risk. I'd rather let someone else take that risk if I can't get a better return than that. YMMV, Steve > > Fascinating responses, I'm rethinking our policy! Many interpretations all > of which seem to have merit, are these policies that would apply in all > cases or are they specific to a business card order? I would be interested > if anyone would change their position if the job was outsourced at a cost to > you of $10,000 and you marked it up 15% as well as your charges for > typesetting. The company you outsourced to had you sign off on their proof. > Would anyone treat this differently? > > - > Roger Mouritsen > Watermark Integrated Print Solutions > 1407 S. Dearborn St. > Seattle, Washington 98144 > 206-443-4608 FAX 206-443-5670 > roger@watermarksolutions.com > www.watermarksolutions.com > One to One Print Marketing > > > > > From: "Jen Adelman" > > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > > > Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:46:06 -0700 (PDT) > > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > I have to say I disagree with this, and with many of > > the comments. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding something > > but we have a sign off policy. If the customer signs > > it then, and ONLY then, is it good to print. If what > > we print matches what they sign off on then I don't > > reprint it for free. > > > > Now there are exceptions to this for a very good > > customer. Also I will do the original at cost or the > > second for cost to be helpful but... > > > > Customers should take responsibility for some of the > > things they do. I try hard to proofread, catch > > mistakes, dates etc. and if I do catch them I'll stop > > the presses. We all do that. But in the end if a > > customer signs off on a proof...well why have them > > sign a proof at all if it is so meaningless? > > > > I guess I just don't get it per as usual. > > > > Jennifer Adelman > > Roller > > --- Stu wrote: > > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> > >> Ok, ok!!! Perhaps something like this? > >> > >> Dear Former Customer, > >> > >> It is the standard trade and custom of most > >> successful printers to > >> avoid reprinting any job, once it has been printed. > >> Mistakes are > >> costly, and we sure as hell aren't going to be held > >> responsible for > >> any mistakes we might make if you are not > >> professional enough to spot > >> them. We expect our customers to be skilled in > >> proofreading, and that > >> includes being able to spell, as well as proper > >> punctuation and > >> spotting transposed numbers. If you expect us to > >> waste our time > >> looking for errors, you need to find another > >> printer. I would suggest > >> one of those hoity-toity shops that offers > >> professional > >> typesetting/typography, and some wild claims like > >> "personal, > >> professional service." We are in business to make a > >> profit, and it is > >> customers like you who cause businesses like us to > >> fail. > >> > >> Basically, it boils down to your lofty expectations > >> that our final > >> product match your original requirements. You need > >> to take a step > >> back and accept the fact that your needs MUST fit > >> closely to what we > >> are capable of producing, and don't expect anything > >> more. > >> > >> Typos are the nature of our business. Printers have > >> been producing > >> typos ever since movable type -- DUH, it moves -- > >> get a clue! > >> > >> The whole reason behind asking you to proof our work > >> is so that we > >> are no longer responsible for any errors. Do you > >> think we ask you to > >> proof just to be sure everything is correct? Why > >> would we care if it > >> was correct? It's not like it would be OUR fault, > >> silly! > >> > >> Pay your bill, and go away. We still have dozens of > >> customers who > >> haven't yet found any mistakes with our work. > >> > >> -just old stu- > >> -- > >> > >> =============== > >> SETTING IT WRIGHT: > >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > >> - - - - - - - - - > >> - - - - - - - - - > >> The odd "W" has always bothered me. A single letter > >> containing three > >> syllables. One has to wonder about the abbreviation > >> "www" for "world > >> wide web." To speak it requires nine syllables to > >> represent what > >> could be spoken in three (or four). > >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > >> - - - - - - - - - > >> - - - - - - - - - > >> Wright Printing Co. -- Central Illinois' biggest > >> little print shop. > >> 203 North St., Normal, IL 61761 309 452-4409 Fax > >> 452-7422 > >> Personal Mobile Phone: 309 826-1132 (Stu) > >> mailto:stu@wrightprinting.com - > >> http://www.wrightprinting.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> PrintOwners Discussion List > >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >> Info: > >> http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________________ > > ______ > > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > > with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2248 (20070507) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon May 7 22:06:18 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon May 7 22:06:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: References: <965250.31250.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0705071906y1e6ee736uac1ac2e4a44003a4@mail.gmail.com> On 5/7/07, Roger Mouritsen wrote: > > I would be interested > if anyone would change their position if the job was outsourced at a cost to > you of $10,000 and you marked it up 15% as well as your charges for > typesetting. The company you outsourced to had you sign off on their proof. > Would anyone treat this differently? Most definitely! For starters, I would never consider marking up ANY job only 15%. Second, you can be sure that any job with a hard cost as high as $10,000 will be proofread by more than one set of in-house eyes, and that I verbalize the proofreading expectation with the customer, and not just assume that they read our proofreading instructions. Often, when doing this, the customer will decide to give the job another look, an implicit indication that his/her original proofreading had been only a cursory one. I regularly tell customers that, unfortunately, typographical errors are a fact of life as there are no perfect typists, and as hard as we try to prevent and correct them, the final proof is their last opportunity to assure that everything is exactly as it should be. Verbalizing this is definitely more effective than relying on them to read and understand the proofreading dilemma. And -- some mistakes are obviously much more serious than others. A typo in the middle of a paragraph of text is likely to have far fewer negative ramifications than an incorrect web address or phone number on a business card or some other response vehicle, or on an item of stationery. Consequently, those are items on which I feel professionally compelled to accept a greater level of responsibility. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com =================================== If you can do a half-assed job of anything, you're a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind. ~ Kurt Vonnegut From kellycrom at gmail.com Mon May 7 23:10:04 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Mon May 7 23:12:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] emailing artwork In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002301c7911e$61fa2ba0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> If it's a job that's currently in production(or that customer has some other job currently in the system) we charge $5.25 to email the file. If we just get a call(with no other jobs running for that customer) to email files, it's $10 per email. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 15724 Wayzata Blvd Wayzata, MN 55391 (952)475-3553 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Greg Weinfurter > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 5:34 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] emailing artwork > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Thanks to the birth and growth of the internet and electronic file > transfer, we have been plagued with seemingly simple requests from > clients to forward their logo onto other sources like their shirt > printer, newspaper for that ad, ad specialty provider, etc. . . > > Fine and dandy. Forwarding a logo here and a logo there, no biggie, > but now it appears to be eating into production because of we are > doing it 6-10-14 times a week for various customers. We seem > to be a > "complimentary artwork archive" for our clients. > > To further complicate this, some customers call us multiple times, > meaning, one week we send it to their shirt printer, next week to > their web designer, etc. Also, many idiots out there can't > deal with > a specific file format so we need to reconvert the logo to THEIR > needs costing us further down time. I have even given customers > their logo on CD, they just loose it and ask for more. > > Now enough is enough, we recently implemented a $10.00 "file > transfer" charge just to cover our labor, but I am finding most > people take offense to the fact that I want to charge them to > forward > out their logo. For some reason, most everyone seems to > think that I > SHOULD forward out their logo to them or other vendors for free. > They just think it is just a mouse click to do and do not realize > that we are requested to do this several times a week. > > Am I alone here? > > Love to hear some feedback. > > G > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From k_graham at hotmail.com Mon May 7 23:57:56 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Mon May 7 23:58:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? References: <0MKpCa-1Hl9NV1IZt-0007gf@mrelay.perfora.net><463F9A47.7020603@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: > "Favor de no estar chingando" (she was from Mexico City) which translated > means "Please Proof Carefully". But still, typos are embarrassing. > > Jack Edwards My wife, originally a teacher from Mexico would translate that as Please don't BOTHER me. (thats the "polite" version, she states she would not use ch_______o word in front of her priest). Por favor lea y apruebe con cuidado - Please Read & Proof Carefully If proof was signed off I would remind the customer of that as our way of not being responsible but then offer to redo at 1/2 price if we kept the cards. He would not be happy but if he gets away with it he will continue forever not being responsible. Our policy is a final in house proof and signature. I also like to ask customers if we got their number and name right and watch them go back over the card a second time to proof for spelling. _____________ Someone here a while back suggested using the word De-Archive for opening a file - sounds better on the bill along with file conversion to make it sound like its worth 20.00 . _______________ Sounds like everyones bad day for customer relations - I no sooner told someone $10.00 to change a few words than they strarted to get my new graphic artist to create a logo out of those words, feeling they had a locked in price. arggggh. Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue May 8 01:04:08 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue May 8 01:04:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What would you do with this client? In-Reply-To: References: <0MKpCa-1Hl9NV1IZt-0007gf@mrelay.perfora.net> <463F9A47.7020603@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0705072204k6974704dna768b470b85d0a61@mail.gmail.com> On 5/7/07, k_graham@hotmail.com wrote: > > Someone here a while back suggested using the word De-Archive for opening a > file - sounds better on the bill along with file conversion to make it sound > like its worth 20.00 . That was me. And yes, that's exactly how I've dealt with this scenario in a positive way. It's the same mantra I apply wherever I can: Build value first; THEN quote the price. "Dearchive" implies both labor and the cost of whatever contains the archive -- the word conveys value. And, of course, "file conversion" or "convert file format" also alerts customers to a necessary activity that they might not have considered. Suddenly it's not just emailing the file anymore. This not only allows us to charge for executing the customer request, but the wording, I think, has a professional ring to it. Don't want to come across as nickel-and-diming a valued customer? Use the above wording, show the $20 or whatever charge, then discount the full amount with the words "Courtesy Discount." -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com =================================== If you can do a half-assed job of anything, you're a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind. ~ Kurt Vonnegut From allreadyprinting at gmail.com Tue May 8 03:26:12 2007 From: allreadyprinting at gmail.com (All Ready Printing) Date: Tue May 8 03:26:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] emailing artwork In-Reply-To: <002301c7911e$61fa2ba0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <002301c7911e$61fa2ba0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <844f39e80705080026k29318825l39d15adc1d9d7ac0@mail.gmail.com> A change in the way we archive artwork has helped solve this problem. We keep all customer files, Mac and PC, on one shared and heavily backed-up file server. If the artwork is something the graphic artist doesn't have to deal with, then the CSR or bookeeper or I will fetch the art and cheerfully email or burn a disc. Most of the time we are sending PDFs, and occasionally logos in tif, eps and the like. Now, if the artwork requires a version change, a format change, resizing and the like it costs our $30 minimum. Of course more complicated tasks cost more beyond that minimum. I think customers see this as a courtesy and part of the sales process. We did bill for simple file exhanges nce upon a time, and boy did we catch hell for it from customers of all kinds--even loyal ones.We didn't intrinsically object to sending the files, we just objected to the simple requests disrupting production. By relieving the typesetting bottleneck ever-so-slightly, we can manage to service the customer for his immediate need while not disturbing jobs already in progress. -Matt Kensey -- All Ready Inc. Modern offset printing, custom thermography, and full-service direct mail solutions. http://www.allready.com Call us toll free: (888)-270-7780 From chris at mmgraphicsandmail.com Tue May 8 07:15:57 2007 From: chris at mmgraphicsandmail.com (Chris Cochran) Date: Tue May 8 07:16:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] emailing artwork References: Message-ID: <002b01c79162$43926a80$2e01a8c0@ChrisCochran> Greg, we've had a similar charge for some time now. Chris Cochran M & M Graphics, Inc Your Printing and Mailing Specialist 704-376-0938 www.mmgraphicsandmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Weinfurter" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 6:33 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] emailing artwork > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Thanks to the birth and growth of the internet and electronic file > transfer, we have been plagued with seemingly simple requests from > clients to forward their logo onto other sources like their shirt > printer, newspaper for that ad, ad specialty provider, etc. . . > > Fine and dandy. Forwarding a logo here and a logo there, no biggie, but > now it appears to be eating into production because of we are doing it > 6-10-14 times a week for various customers. We seem to be a > "complimentary artwork archive" for our clients. > > To further complicate this, some customers call us multiple times, > meaning, one week we send it to their shirt printer, next week to their > web designer, etc. Also, many idiots out there can't deal with a > specific file format so we need to reconvert the logo to THEIR needs > costing us further down time. I have even given customers their logo on > CD, they just loose it and ask for more. > > Now enough is enough, we recently implemented a $10.00 "file transfer" > charge just to cover our labor, but I am finding most people take offense > to the fact that I want to charge them to forward out their logo. For > some reason, most everyone seems to think that I SHOULD forward out their > logo to them or other vendors for free. They just think it is just a > mouse click to do and do not realize that we are requested to do this > several times a week. > > Am I alone here? > > Love to hear some feedback. > > G > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From kathy at mpcny.com Tue May 8 07:52:08 2007 From: kathy at mpcny.com (Kathy Henry) Date: Tue May 8 07:52:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] emailing artwork In-Reply-To: <002b01c79162$43926a80$2e01a8c0@ChrisCochran> References: <002b01c79162$43926a80$2e01a8c0@ChrisCochran> Message-ID: <003401c79167$4f17b040$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> We have tried to institute that charge for several years. Every time, with no exception, the charge was met with anger by the customer. Are we wrong? Should we be giving away our time to please our customer? Where does customer service end? Are we providing "value" by helping them out? Will they remember that we helped them next time the printing order comes around, or will we be just a number on the bid sheet? My experience lately is that when you give it away, it loses it's value. The customer does not appreciate anything you do for them anyway. I have constantly had our design department convert a logo for a "good" customer for several different reasons. Last week, the "good" customer told me we were no longer printing their newsletter as they found a better price, $100 lower on a $1,500 order. Had I given them value over the past year, you better believe I did, and did they care in the end, nope. It's all about the dollar, what you charge for and how they can avoid paying for it. Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing kathy@mpcny.com 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.5/793 - Release Date: 5/7/2007 2:55 PM From clc at crownmax.com Tue May 8 09:35:08 2007 From: clc at crownmax.com (clc) Date: Tue May 8 09:31:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] emailing artwork References: <002b01c79162$43926a80$2e01a8c0@ChrisCochran> <003401c79167$4f17b040$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> Message-ID: <009101c79175$b35e2080$7201a8c0@Crown.local> Where do we draw the line that we are professionals and need to charge for our time. When did you call your Lawyer or Accountant and NOT receive billing for their services. I tease my Attorney that he makes more from his Fax charges than he does per hour. Charge for the services you offer and don't buckle when someone complains. There are plenty of good customers in any market size that if trained properly will pay your prices and value your services. The newsletter customer needed more training! People buy with their emotions and justify with logic such as price. I came from another industry and have always been blown away by the almost instance of printers who want to give someone an estimate/quote on a job. I many times answered "I don't know how much that will cost but I am sure it will be fair when we bill it". Charlie Counts CROWNMAX, Inc. 2301 Roxalana Road P O Box 234 Dunbar, WV 25064-0234 1-800-252-4011 -- Fax 304-744-8652 clc@crownmax.com www.crownmax.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Henry" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 7:52 AM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] emailing artwork > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have tried to institute that charge for several years. Every time, with > no exception, the charge was met with anger by the customer. Are we wrong? > Should we be giving away our time to please our customer? Where does > customer service end? Are we providing "value" by helping them out? Will > they remember that we helped them next time the printing order comes > around, > or will we be just a number on the bid sheet? My experience lately is that > when you give it away, it loses it's value. The customer does not > appreciate > anything you do for them anyway. I have constantly had our design > department convert a logo for a "good" customer for several different > reasons. Last week, the "good" customer told me we were no longer printing > their newsletter as they found a better price, $100 lower on a $1,500 > order. > Had I given them value over the past year, you better believe I did, and > did > they care in the end, nope. It's all about the dollar, what you charge for > and how they can avoid paying for it. > > Kathleen Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing > kathy@mpcny.com > > 125 East First Street > PO Box 815 > Oswego, NY 13126 > (315) 343-3531 > (315) 343-3577 (fax) > (315) 532-0943 (cell) > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.5/793 - Release Date: 5/7/2007 > 2:55 > PM > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From char at themasterspress.com Tue May 8 09:55:51 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Tue May 8 09:55:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] emailing artwork In-Reply-To: <003401c79167$4f17b040$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> References: <002b01c79162$43926a80$2e01a8c0@ChrisCochran> <003401c79167$4f17b040$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> Message-ID: <008401c79178$97bdcd50$0b01a8c0@CharXP> I have found that when I charge $15.00 they are more able to keep what I send and use it next time. When I don't charge I am sending someone their logo often. I am their logo keeper to email to whomever for whatever they need. When I make in a number of different versions, EPS, PDF etc and then send to whoever they want, and cc them and charge them they don't keep asking. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Henry Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 6:52 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] emailing artwork ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have tried to institute that charge for several years. Every time, with no exception, the charge was met with anger by the customer. Are we wrong? Should we be giving away our time to please our customer? Where does customer service end? Are we providing "value" by helping them out? Will they remember that we helped them next time the printing order comes around, or will we be just a number on the bid sheet? My experience lately is that when you give it away, it loses it's value. The customer does not appreciate anything you do for them anyway. I have constantly had our design department convert a logo for a "good" customer for several different reasons. Last week, the "good" customer told me we were no longer printing their newsletter as they found a better price, $100 lower on a $1,500 order. Had I given them value over the past year, you better believe I did, and did they care in the end, nope. It's all about the dollar, what you charge for and how they can avoid paying for it. Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing kathy@mpcny.com 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.5/793 - Release Date: 5/7/2007 2:55 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From char at themasterspress.com Tue May 8 09:58:35 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Tue May 8 09:58:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] emailing artwork In-Reply-To: <844f39e80705080026k29318825l39d15adc1d9d7ac0@mail.gmail.com> References: <002301c7911e$61fa2ba0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <844f39e80705080026k29318825l39d15adc1d9d7ac0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <008501c79178$f95811b0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> THE BLACK HOLE ATTACKS US AGAIN. What does it matter who does it. It still takes 10 minutes minimum of our time and we should charge for it. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of All Ready Printing Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 2:26 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] emailing artwork ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** A change in the way we archive artwork has helped solve this problem. We keep all customer files, Mac and PC, on one shared and heavily backed-up file server. If the artwork is something the graphic artist doesn't have to deal with, then the CSR or bookeeper or I will fetch the art and cheerfully email or burn a disc. Most of the time we are sending PDFs, and occasionally logos in tif, eps and the like. Now, if the artwork requires a version change, a format change, resizing and the like it costs our $30 minimum. Of course more complicated tasks cost more beyond that minimum. I think customers see this as a courtesy and part of the sales process. We did bill for simple file exhanges nce upon a time, and boy did we catch hell for it from customers of all kinds--even loyal ones.We didn't intrinsically object to sending the files, we just objected to the simple requests disrupting production. By relieving the typesetting bottleneck ever-so-slightly, we can manage to service the customer for his immediate need while not disturbing jobs already in progress. -Matt Kensey -- All Ready Inc. Modern offset printing, custom thermography, and full-service direct mail solutions. http://www.allready.com Call us toll free: (888)-270-7780 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From tstrickland at studiodesignsprinting.com Tue May 8 10:03:17 2007 From: tstrickland at studiodesignsprinting.com (tstrickland@studiodesignsprinting.com) Date: Tue May 8 10:01:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] new copier marketing suggestions References: <002b01c79162$43926a80$2e01a8c0@ChrisCochran><003401c79167$4f17b040$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> <009101c79175$b35e2080$7201a8c0@Crown.local> Message-ID: <006201c79179$a0f80e70$0200a8c0@travis6d598374> We have recently upgraded a copier to one of the high end Canon ImageRunners. We want to get the word out and we are working on some marketing materials. I've contacted our Canon rep to see if he could get us some images of the copier and to see if maybe Canon had any brochures etc. that I could use. So far all I've been able to get is the product spec. brochures (which my customers could care less about) and some images that were copied off their web site (he can't seem to understand why these won't work). If anyone knows where I can go to get these print ready images from Canon or if you have any examples of brochures/flyers that you have used that would be great. Thanks, Travis Studio Designs Printing Milledgeville, GA 31061 478-452-7723 From bob at rjmprinting.com Tue May 8 10:05:15 2007 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Tue May 8 10:05:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] new copier marketing suggestions In-Reply-To: <006201c79179$a0f80e70$0200a8c0@travis6d598374> Message-ID: I would advertise the capabilities not the brand of equipment. Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of tstrickland@studiodesignsprinting.com Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 9:03 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] new copier marketing suggestions ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have recently upgraded a copier to one of the high end Canon ImageRunners. We want to get the word out and we are working on some marketing materials. I've contacted our Canon rep to see if he could get us some images of the copier and to see if maybe Canon had any brochures etc. that I could use. So far all I've been able to get is the product spec. brochures (which my customers could care less about) and some images that were copied off their web site (he can't seem to understand why these won't work). If anyone knows where I can go to get these print ready images from Canon or if you have any examples of brochures/flyers that you have used that would be great. Thanks, Travis Studio Designs Printing Milledgeville, GA 31061 478-452-7723 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From keli at parchmentpress.net Tue May 8 10:13:30 2007 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Tue May 8 10:13:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] new copier marketing suggestions In-Reply-To: <006201c79179$a0f80e70$0200a8c0@travis6d598374> References: <002b01c79162$43926a80$2e01a8c0@ChrisCochran><003401c79167$4f17b040$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> <009101c79175$b35e2080$7201a8c0@Crown.local> <006201c79179$a0f80e70$0200a8c0@travis6d598374> Message-ID: <4640858A.4020809@parchmentpress.net> Have you tried google images? How about ebay ? thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Parchment Press is a Cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes Communities - To learn more about our community and what we are all about - please feel free to email me off list or visit our website at : http://www.twelvetribes.com tstrickland@studiodesignsprinting.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have recently upgraded a copier to one of the high end Canon > ImageRunners. We want to get the word out and we are working on some > marketing materials. I've contacted our Canon rep to see if he could get us > some images of the copier and to see if maybe Canon had any brochures etc. > that I could use. So far all I've been able to get is the product spec. > brochures (which my customers could care less about) and some images that > were copied off their web site (he can't seem to understand why these won't > work). > > If anyone knows where I can go to get these print ready images from Canon or > if you have any examples of brochures/flyers that you have used that would > be great. > > Thanks, > Travis > > Studio Designs Printing > Milledgeville, GA 31061 > 478-452-7723 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From barry at wolfprinting.com Tue May 8 11:09:55 2007 From: barry at wolfprinting.com (Barry Wolf) Date: Tue May 8 11:10:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] emailing artwork Message-ID: <003701c79182$f05b74d0$5b00a8c0@wolf1> We have for some time been charging $35.00 minimum to do this. And reason that we still have to create an order schedule the work and invoice the customer. When we explain how we have to access the customer file and format into the file type required, our customers seem to understand and have not complained about the charge. We struggled with this for a long time by not charging and charging some until this activity was taking up too much graphic time that we were not able to recover our costs. Now this is our Minimum without exception. Regards to all, Barry V. Wolf Wolf Printing, LLC 1200 Haines Road York, PA 17402 717-755-1560 717-840-0496 FAX barry@wolfprinting.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue May 8 12:00:48 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue May 8 12:00:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] emailing artwork In-Reply-To: <008501c79178$f95811b0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <002301c7911e$61fa2ba0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <844f39e80705080026k29318825l39d15adc1d9d7ac0@mail.gmail.com> <008501c79178$f95811b0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0705080900s6f8c2db9u65625e91f51e7f86@mail.gmail.com> Somehow, this subject was interjected into another thread yesterday, to which I responded last night. I'm copying that response here, where it fits better and will hopefully be more useful. This is what has worked for us: --- On 5/7/07, k_graham@hotmail.com wrote: > > Someone here a while back suggested using the word De-Archive for > opening a file - sounds better on the bill along with file conversion to > make it sound like its worth 20.00 . That was me. And yes, that's exactly how I've dealt with this scenario in a positive way. It's the same mantra I apply wherever I can: Build value first; THEN quote the price. "Dearchive" implies both labor and the cost of whatever contains the archive -- the word conveys value. And, of course, "file conversion" or "convert file format" also alerts customers to a necessary activity that they might not have considered. Suddenly it's not just emailing the file anymore. This not only allows us to charge for executing the customer request, but the wording, I think, has a professional ring to it. Don't want to come across as nickel-and-diming a valued customer? I use the above wording, show the $20 or whatever charge, then discount the full amount with the words "Courtesy Discount." This addresses the issue of customers forgetting the extra little things we do for them. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com =================================== If you can do a half-assed job of anything, you're a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind. ~ Kurt Vonnegut From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue May 8 12:36:06 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue May 8 12:36:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] new copier marketing suggestions In-Reply-To: <006201c79179$a0f80e70$0200a8c0@travis6d598374> References: <002b01c79162$43926a80$2e01a8c0@ChrisCochran> <003401c79167$4f17b040$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> <009101c79175$b35e2080$7201a8c0@Crown.local> <006201c79179$a0f80e70$0200a8c0@travis6d598374> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0705080936x1e4d6152u82b0847c35154470@mail.gmail.com> On 5/8/07, tstrickland@studiodesignsprinting.com wrote: > > I've contacted our Canon rep to see if he could get us > some images of the copier and to see if maybe Canon had any brochures etc. > that I could use. So far all I've been able to get is the product spec. > brochures (which my customers could care less about) Your customers will care equally (i.e., not at all) about either. What new capabilities will this give you that translate into new benefits that you can offer your customers? If they're going to care at all, THAT's all they're going to care about. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com =================================== If you can do a half-assed job of anything, you're a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind. ~ Kurt Vonnegut From prtquick at eos.net Tue May 8 13:17:25 2007 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Tue May 8 12:53:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] new copier marketing suggestions In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0705080936x1e4d6152u82b0847c35154470@mail.gmail.com> References: <002b01c79162$43926a80$2e01a8c0@ChrisCochran> <003401c79167$4f17b040$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> <009101c79175$b35e2080$7201a8c0@Crown.local> <006201c79179$a0f80e70$0200a8c0@travis6d598374> <98f5b19a0705080936x1e4d6152u82b0847c35154470@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4bfeea46d419a14192db73c0929c81b1@eos.net> We printed a fake birth announcement about our new "baby" once. It was cute. (132" long, 1590 lbs. etc.) It was a Xerox 5080 - if that dates it a bit. I do find that generally customers don't care about the equipment, but they might want to know how much time it can save them, etc.... Thanks! Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit us in our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing On May 8, 2007, at 12:36 PM, Michael Vogel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On 5/8/07, tstrickland@studiodesignsprinting.com > wrote: >> >> I've contacted our Canon rep to see if he could get us >> some images of the copier and to see if maybe Canon had any brochures >> etc. >> that I could use. So far all I've been able to get is the product >> spec. >> brochures (which my customers could care less about) > > Your customers will care equally (i.e., not at all) about either. > > What new capabilities will this give you that translate into new > benefits that you can offer your customers? If they're going to care > at all, THAT's all they're going to care about. > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > > =================================== > If you can do a half-assed job of anything, you're > a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind. > ~ Kurt Vonnegut > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From mike at arborprinting.com Tue May 8 13:19:58 2007 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Tue May 8 13:22:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printer problem References: <463F7759.5648.15C6C069@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <020601c79195$1b479860$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Suddenly we can only print 1 of anything to any printer, the Canon 7075, 3220, 600, Xerox Doc-12, but only from the Mac, OS 10. Any ideas? Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. www.arborprinting.com From mail at myprinter.biz Tue May 8 14:13:44 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Tue May 8 14:16:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printer problem In-Reply-To: <020601c79195$1b479860$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: I submitted your question to the Mac guy in the TV commercials. He denied that any such problems are possible with his company's products and suggested that you must be using a PC and not know the difference. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Mike@arborprinting.com Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 1:20 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Printer problem ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Suddenly we can only print 1 of anything to any printer, the Canon 7075, 3220, 600, Xerox Doc-12, but only from the Mac, OS 10. Any ideas? Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. www.arborprinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From pressexpress at bfm.org Tue May 8 14:38:18 2007 From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Tue May 8 14:38:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printer problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <866D2734-D18B-4B3A-A72F-B5D58FD2D42E@bfm.org> Restart the computers, restart the printers and restart/unplug-replug ANY & ALL routers, switches, etc that connects your network together. G On May 8, 2007, at 1:13 PM, wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I submitted your question to the Mac guy in the TV commercials. > > He denied that any such problems are possible with his company's > products > and suggested that you must be using a PC and not know the difference. > > Dan > Sir Speedy Printing Center > 5845 Hollywood Boulevard > Hollywood, FL 33021 > t 954.962.1309 > f 954-962-1366 > dan@myprinter.biz > www.myprinter.biz > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of > Mike@arborprinting.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 1:20 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] Printer problem > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Suddenly we can only print 1 of anything to any printer, the Canon > 7075, > 3220, 600, Xerox Doc-12, but only from the Mac, OS 10. Any ideas? > Thanks, > > > Michael Shuta > Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. > www.arborprinting.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kevin at proprinters.ca Tue May 8 16:31:00 2007 From: kevin at proprinters.ca (Kevin Kerr at PRO Printers) Date: Tue May 8 16:31:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] emailing artwork References: Message-ID: <016401c791af$cd06d5b0$0200a8c0@promerivale1> This has also been a problem for us. We didn't mind so much at first, but we found the requests to be more and more frequent, and we often found it was the same clients requesting the service time and again. (Sometimes the client themselves had originally provided the logo to us - that was really annoying!) We decided on a middle ground, not charging each and every time but neither providing the service for free. When a client first requests their logo, we do the following: Convert their logo into multiple formats (eps, cdr, ai, pdf, tif, jpg, wmf) and zip into a nice neat archive. This usually takes about five minutes time. Send it to them explaining that they should keep the file on multiple computers in multiple locations for safekeeping and forwarding. We also tell them that we do not forward logos to third parties rather we make them responsible for forwarding the logo to whomever they want to have it and noting that if we need to send their logo again, that there will be a charge of $25.00 for the service. (Short of a disaster, of course - if someone's computer died, or was stolen or destroyed in a fire, we wouldn't compound their misery by charging them.) We haven't had anyone complain about this policy and no one has asked for their logo a second time. I think it is a good idea just from a legal standpoint not to forward logos to a third party especially when it is the third party requesting the logo. Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Weinfurter" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 6:33 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] emailing artwork > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Thanks to the birth and growth of the internet and electronic file > transfer, we have been plagued with seemingly simple requests from > clients to forward their logo onto other sources like their shirt > printer, newspaper for that ad, ad specialty provider, etc. . . > > Fine and dandy. Forwarding a logo here and a logo there, no biggie, but > now it appears to be eating into production because of we are doing it > 6-10-14 times a week for various customers. We seem to be a > "complimentary artwork archive" for our clients. > > To further complicate this, some customers call us multiple times, > meaning, one week we send it to their shirt printer, next week to their > web designer, etc. Also, many idiots out there can't deal with a > specific file format so we need to reconvert the logo to THEIR needs > costing us further down time. I have even given customers their logo on > CD, they just loose it and ask for more. > > Now enough is enough, we recently implemented a $10.00 "file transfer" > charge just to cover our labor, but I am finding most people take offense > to the fact that I want to charge them to forward out their logo. For > some reason, most everyone seems to think that I SHOULD forward out their > logo to them or other vendors for free. They just think it is just a > mouse click to do and do not realize that we are requested to do this > several times a week. > > Am I alone here? > > Love to hear some feedback. > > G > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From brianoday at eprint.us Tue May 8 17:17:37 2007 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Tue May 8 17:17:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] emailing artwork In-Reply-To: <016401c791af$cd06d5b0$0200a8c0@promerivale1> References: <016401c791af$cd06d5b0$0200a8c0@promerivale1> Message-ID: <004e01c791b6$4e040470$6701a8c0@Brian> Kevin In my opinion problem solved this is a great way to handle this problem. Brian O'Day ePrint Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Kerr at PRO Printers Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 1:31 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] emailing artwork ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** This has also been a problem for us. We didn't mind so much at first, but we found the requests to be more and more frequent, and we often found it was the same clients requesting the service time and again. (Sometimes the client themselves had originally provided the logo to us - that was really annoying!) We decided on a middle ground, not charging each and every time but neither providing the service for free. When a client first requests their logo, we do the following: Convert their logo into multiple formats (eps, cdr, ai, pdf, tif, jpg, wmf) and zip into a nice neat archive. This usually takes about five minutes time. Send it to them explaining that they should keep the file on multiple computers in multiple locations for safekeeping and forwarding. We also tell them that we do not forward logos to third parties rather we make them responsible for forwarding the logo to whomever they want to have it and noting that if we need to send their logo again, that there will be a charge of $25.00 for the service. (Short of a disaster, of course - if someone's computer died, or was stolen or destroyed in a fire, we wouldn't compound their misery by charging them.) We haven't had anyone complain about this policy and no one has asked for their logo a second time. I think it is a good idea just from a legal standpoint not to forward logos to a third party especially when it is the third party requesting the logo. Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Weinfurter" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 6:33 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] emailing artwork > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Thanks to the birth and growth of the internet and electronic file > transfer, we have been plagued with seemingly simple requests from > clients to forward their logo onto other sources like their shirt > printer, newspaper for that ad, ad specialty provider, etc. . . > > Fine and dandy. Forwarding a logo here and a logo there, no biggie, but > now it appears to be eating into production because of we are doing it > 6-10-14 times a week for various customers. We seem to be a > "complimentary artwork archive" for our clients. > > To further complicate this, some customers call us multiple times, > meaning, one week we send it to their shirt printer, next week to their > web designer, etc. Also, many idiots out there can't deal with a > specific file format so we need to reconvert the logo to THEIR needs > costing us further down time. I have even given customers their logo on > CD, they just loose it and ask for more. > > Now enough is enough, we recently implemented a $10.00 "file transfer" > charge just to cover our labor, but I am finding most people take offense > to the fact that I want to charge them to forward out their logo. For > some reason, most everyone seems to think that I SHOULD forward out their > logo to them or other vendors for free. They just think it is just a > mouse click to do and do not realize that we are requested to do this > several times a week. > > Am I alone here? > > Love to hear some feedback. > > G > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpurvine1 at cox.net Tue May 8 18:07:44 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Tue May 8 18:07:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] emailing artwork In-Reply-To: <016401c791af$cd06d5b0$0200a8c0@promerivale1> References: <016401c791af$cd06d5b0$0200a8c0@promerivale1> Message-ID: <009401c791bd$4fc5d480$0200a8c0@corapurvine> Thanks for the idea Kevin. I think that will be the way that I should go too That way they know up front how it will be and there aren't any surprises. I have given people their logos on disk or emailed them to them though and they still lose them, but at least this way they know that I will send the logos on, but it will cost them. Again, thanks! Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Kerr at PRO Printers Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:31 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] emailing artwork ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** This has also been a problem for us. We didn't mind so much at first, but we found the requests to be more and more frequent, and we often found it was the same clients requesting the service time and again. (Sometimes the client themselves had originally provided the logo to us - that was really annoying!) We decided on a middle ground, not charging each and every time but neither providing the service for free. When a client first requests their logo, we do the following: Convert their logo into multiple formats (eps, cdr, ai, pdf, tif, jpg, wmf) and zip into a nice neat archive. This usually takes about five minutes time. Send it to them explaining that they should keep the file on multiple computers in multiple locations for safekeeping and forwarding. We also tell them that we do not forward logos to third parties rather we make them responsible for forwarding the logo to whomever they want to have it and noting that if we need to send their logo again, that there will be a charge of $25.00 for the service. (Short of a disaster, of course - if someone's computer died, or was stolen or destroyed in a fire, we wouldn't compound their misery by charging them.) We haven't had anyone complain about this policy and no one has asked for their logo a second time. I think it is a good idea just from a legal standpoint not to forward logos to a third party especially when it is the third party requesting the logo. Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Weinfurter" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 6:33 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] emailing artwork > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Thanks to the birth and growth of the internet and electronic file > transfer, we have been plagued with seemingly simple requests from > clients to forward their logo onto other sources like their shirt > printer, newspaper for that ad, ad specialty provider, etc. . . > > Fine and dandy. Forwarding a logo here and a logo there, no biggie, but > now it appears to be eating into production because of we are doing it > 6-10-14 times a week for various customers. We seem to be a > "complimentary artwork archive" for our clients. > > To further complicate this, some customers call us multiple times, > meaning, one week we send it to their shirt printer, next week to their > web designer, etc. Also, many idiots out there can't deal with a > specific file format so we need to reconvert the logo to THEIR needs > costing us further down time. I have even given customers their logo on > CD, they just loose it and ask for more. > > Now enough is enough, we recently implemented a $10.00 "file transfer" > charge just to cover our labor, but I am finding most people take offense > to the fact that I want to charge them to forward out their logo. For > some reason, most everyone seems to think that I SHOULD forward out their > logo to them or other vendors for free. They just think it is just a > mouse click to do and do not realize that we are requested to do this > several times a week. > > Am I alone here? > > Love to hear some feedback. > > G > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2249 (20070508) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From goodway at goodwayprintcopy.com Tue May 8 20:29:37 2007 From: goodway at goodwayprintcopy.com (Goodway Print and Copy) Date: Tue May 8 20:29:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] ups- how does one complain??(the brown one) Message-ID: <000101c791d1$208e7d70$660000c8@LeslieXP> United Parcel is the worst when they screw up- does anyone know the president??? Or a real phone number- besides a 1-800. Leslie McDonald GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC. 15121 Ventura Blvd. Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Phone:(818) 783-5172 Fax:(818)783-8649 goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com www.goodwayprintcopy.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue May 8 21:58:54 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue May 8 21:58:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] ups- how does one complain??(the brown one) In-Reply-To: <000101c791d1$208e7d70$660000c8@LeslieXP> References: <000101c791d1$208e7d70$660000c8@LeslieXP> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0705081858t68019b0dy8296a82d82bf2cf1@mail.gmail.com> On 5/8/07, Goodway Print and Copy wrote: > > United Parcel is the worst when they screw up- does anyone know the > president??? Not personally, no. But here are some possible contacts: Michael L. Eskew Chairman and Chief Executive Officer David Abney Chief Operating Officer Alan Gershenhorn President, UPS International Jim Winestock Senior Vice President, U.S. Operations UPS Corporate Headquarters 55 Glenlake Parkway, NE Atlanta , GA 30328 > Or a real phone number- besides a 1-800. Sorry, I don't happen to have their phone numbers handy. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com =================================== If you can do a half-assed job of anything, you're a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind. ~ Kurt Vonnegut From armand at curryonline.com Tue May 8 22:50:01 2007 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Tue May 8 22:50:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] ups- how does one complain??(the brown one) In-Reply-To: <000101c791d1$208e7d70$660000c8@LeslieXP> Message-ID: <0MKpCa-1HlcFg3fBF-0001aB@mrelay.perfora.net> UPS Corporate is 404-828-6000. Lots of information about their operation in their SEC filing at: http://www.shareholder.com/visitors/dynamicdoc/document.cfm?CompanyID=UPS&Do cumentID=1431&PIN=&Page=15&Zoom=1x&Section=34352# or, if you prefer tinyurl: http://tinyurl.com/24j3gg Want to get through to them (or most any other large company)? Call investor relations. Their job is to make investors (and prospective investors) happy. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Goodway Print and Copy Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 8:30 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] ups- how does one complain??(the brown one) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** United Parcel is the worst when they screw up- does anyone know the president??? Or a real phone number- besides a 1-800. Leslie McDonald GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC. 15121 Ventura Blvd. Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Phone:(818) 783-5172 Fax:(818)783-8649 goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com www.goodwayprintcopy.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From robin at protypeonline.com Wed May 9 08:05:59 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed May 9 08:05:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] new copier marketing suggestions Message-ID: <6054DD19-A2DE-48FF-84B5-D8683A4CD962@protypeonline.com> nobody cares what the equipment looks like....they do care "what can it do for ME?"!!!! And, putting a picture of it on ads, you run the risk of them saying, "shoot, it looks just like the one in my office". Business people outside of the printing business, tend to call their copiers, just that..."copiers" while those of us IN the printing business call them, "digital printers".... If I had a printing job that I wanted done professionally, I would go to a place that offered "digital printing". Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From goodway at goodwayprintcopy.com Wed May 9 09:30:08 2007 From: goodway at goodwayprintcopy.com (Goodway Print and Copy) Date: Wed May 9 09:30:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] ups- how does one complain??(the brown one) In-Reply-To: <0MKpCa-1HlcFg3fBF-0001aB@mrelay.perfora.net> References: <000101c791d1$208e7d70$660000c8@LeslieXP> <0MKpCa-1HlcFg3fBF-0001aB@mrelay.perfora.net> Message-ID: <006901c7923e$2a0de5d0$660000c8@LeslieXP> THANKS!! Leslie McDonald GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC. 15121 Ventura Blvd. Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Phone:(818) 783-5172 Fax:(818)783-8649 goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com www.goodwayprintcopy.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Armand Girard Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 7:50 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] ups- how does one complain??(the brown one) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** UPS Corporate is 404-828-6000. Lots of information about their operation in their SEC filing at: http://www.shareholder.com/visitors/dynamicdoc/document.cfm?CompanyID=UPS&Do cumentID=1431&PIN=&Page=15&Zoom=1x&Section=34352# or, if you prefer tinyurl: http://tinyurl.com/24j3gg Want to get through to them (or most any other large company)? Call investor relations. Their job is to make investors (and prospective investors) happy. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Goodway Print and Copy Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 8:30 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] ups- how does one complain??(the brown one) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** United Parcel is the worst when they screw up- does anyone know the president??? Or a real phone number- besides a 1-800. Leslie McDonald GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC. 15121 Ventura Blvd. Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Phone:(818) 783-5172 Fax:(818)783-8649 goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com www.goodwayprintcopy.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From tgrogan at wilmotprint.com Wed May 9 10:05:53 2007 From: tgrogan at wilmotprint.com (Tim Grogan) Date: Wed May 9 10:06:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Press Message-ID: <26c3c64474c8b038f4f85d7d75b657d5@wilmotprint.com> I am in the market to buy the best possible 4 color digital press available. Either 14X20 or larger. Any thoughts or experiences would be helpful Timothy T. Grogan President "Have I asked you to buy some printing today?" Wilmot Printing Co., Inc. 113 Buckeye Street P.O. Box 1659 Elyria, Ohio 44036 tgrogan@wilmotprint.com PH 440-323-3248 Fax 440-323-6502 From k_graham at hotmail.com Wed May 9 10:17:17 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Wed May 9 10:17:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Let your salesman walk! References: <6054DD19-A2DE-48FF-84B5-D8683A4CD962@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: I tried a salesman this year to finish a few ads on a tourist map we do yearly and I hadn't the time to persue it. Too much organization too little sales. Had a lul in the pressroom so my pressman offered to go, but walked. I sent him out with lunch money so he wouldn't have to come back for a few hours. He then walked down through town center around and back. Dressed nice but no suit. $1200.00 sales and final 4 ads later (plus a print job) he comes in at 3:00. Old story, its probably rougher this year and takes 10 or more places to sell one, walking is faster than finding a parking spot every 20 minutes. Let your salesman walk - including you. Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika From championprinting at yahoo.com Wed May 9 10:35:48 2007 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Wed May 9 10:35:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Press Message-ID: <132813.60187.qm@web38902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Xerox iGen3 Digital Production Press http://www.xerox.com/go/xrx/igen/iGen.jsp Maximum sheet size: 14.33" x 20.5" (364 x 521 mm) KODAK NEXPRESS 2500 Digital Production Color Press http://graphics.kodak.com/us/product/printers_presses/default.htm Maximum sheet size: 356 x 520 mm (A x B) (14 x 20.47 in.) You cannot use a HP Indigo press (12.6? x 18.5? max.) because of your sheet size requirement http://h30267.www3.hp.com/country/us/en/products/digital_presses/index.html Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Tim Grogan To: PRINTSMITH Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2007 10:05:53 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] New Press ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I am in the market to buy the best possible 4 color digital press available. Either 14X20 or larger. Any thoughts or experiences would be helpful Timothy T. Grogan President "Have I asked you to buy some printing today?" Wilmot Printing Co., Inc. 113 Buckeye Street P.O. Box 1659 Elyria, Ohio 44036 tgrogan@wilmotprint.com PH 440-323-3248 Fax 440-323-6502 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Wed May 9 11:20:55 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed May 9 11:23:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Press References: <26c3c64474c8b038f4f85d7d75b657d5@wilmotprint.com> Message-ID: <006401c7924d$a3a19040$0300a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Grogan" > I am in the market to buy the best possible 4 color digital press > available. Either 14X20 or larger. Any thoughts or experiences would be > helpful ==================== Do you mean Direct Imaging Press or a Digital Printer? Ryobi makes a 14x20 DI press. There is also the 74 Karat DI 20 x 26 inch press made by hmmmm, is it Koenig and Bauer. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From pressexpress at bfm.org Wed May 9 11:45:26 2007 From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Wed May 9 11:45:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] emailing artwork In-Reply-To: <016401c791af$cd06d5b0$0200a8c0@promerivale1> References: <016401c791af$cd06d5b0$0200a8c0@promerivale1> Message-ID: <3E445FEB-D24B-4BC7-AC4C-4FC323BA1B4C@bfm.org> Kevin, That is the answer I was looking for. Perfect fit. G On May 8, 2007, at 3:31 PM, Kevin Kerr at PRO Printers wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > This has also been a problem for us. We didn't mind so much at > first, but we found the requests to be more and more frequent, and > we often found it was the same clients requesting the service time > and again. (Sometimes the client themselves had originally provided > the logo to us - that was really annoying!) We decided on a middle > ground, not charging each and every time but neither providing the > service for free. When a client first requests their logo, we do > the following: > > Convert their logo into multiple formats (eps, cdr, ai, pdf, tif, > jpg, wmf) and zip into a nice neat archive. This usually takes > about five minutes time. Send it to them explaining that they > should keep the file on multiple computers in multiple locations > for safekeeping and forwarding. We also tell them that we do not > forward logos to third parties rather we make them responsible for > forwarding the logo to whomever they want to have it and noting > that if we need to send their logo again, that there will be a > charge of $25.00 for the service. (Short of a disaster, of course - > if someone's computer died, or was stolen or destroyed in a fire, > we wouldn't compound their misery by charging them.) > > We haven't had anyone complain about this policy and no one has > asked for their logo a second time. I think it is a good idea just > from a legal standpoint not to forward logos to a third party > especially when it is the third party requesting the logo. > > Kevin Kerr > Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. > 1900 Merivale Rd. > Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 > Tel 613-727-9444 > Fax 613-727-1945 > kevin@proprinters.ca > www.proprinters.ca > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Weinfurter" > > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 6:33 PM > Subject: [PrintOwners] emailing artwork > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Thanks to the birth and growth of the internet and electronic file >> transfer, we have been plagued with seemingly simple requests from >> clients to forward their logo onto other sources like their shirt >> printer, newspaper for that ad, ad specialty provider, etc. . . >> >> Fine and dandy. Forwarding a logo here and a logo there, no >> biggie, but now it appears to be eating into production because >> of we are doing it 6-10-14 times a week for various customers. >> We seem to be a "complimentary artwork archive" for our clients. >> >> To further complicate this, some customers call us multiple times, >> meaning, one week we send it to their shirt printer, next week to >> their web designer, etc. Also, many idiots out there can't deal >> with a specific file format so we need to reconvert the logo to >> THEIR needs costing us further down time. I have even given >> customers their logo on CD, they just loose it and ask for more. >> >> Now enough is enough, we recently implemented a $10.00 "file >> transfer" charge just to cover our labor, but I am finding most >> people take offense to the fact that I want to charge them to >> forward out their logo. For some reason, most everyone seems to >> think that I SHOULD forward out their logo to them or other >> vendors for free. They just think it is just a mouse click to do >> and do not realize that we are requested to do this several times >> a week. >> >> Am I alone here? >> >> Love to hear some feedback. >> >> G >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mike at arborprinting.com Wed May 9 16:24:25 2007 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Wed May 9 16:27:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Let your salesman walk! References: <6054DD19-A2DE-48FF-84B5-D8683A4CD962@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <012201c79278$09aecd10$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Not much luck on the other list. Where would people be on a job with these specs. And what type of machine would you run it on? Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. www.arborprinting.com > From mike at arborprinting.com Wed May 9 16:43:00 2007 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Wed May 9 16:45:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Price/machine type check References: <6054DD19-A2DE-48FF-84B5-D8683A4CD962@protypeonline.com> <012201c79278$09aecd10$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: <013301c7927a$a1fa0150$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Not much luck on the other list. Where would people be on a job with these specs. And what type of machine would you run it on? Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. www.arborprinting.com > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From bgallagher at nbn.net Thu May 10 09:20:44 2007 From: bgallagher at nbn.net (Bob Gallagher) Date: Thu May 10 09:20:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Price/machine type check In-Reply-To: <013301c7927a$a1fa0150$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: On 5/9/07 4:43 PM, "Mike@arborprinting.com" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Not much luck on the other list. > Where would people be on a job with these specs. And what type of machine > would you run it on? > Thanks, Without any specs, I can see why there are no responses. Bob Gallagher Gallagher Printing, Inc. 601 W. Main Street Palmyra, PA 17078 717-838-1527 1-888-838-1527 Fax 717-838-5715 An Adobe Service Provider A Microsoft Publisher Provider Member, Adobe Solutions Network From nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com Thu May 10 09:23:24 2007 From: nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com (Nancy) Date: Thu May 10 09:23:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bad Morning Break in References: <6054DD19-A2DE-48FF-84B5-D8683A4CD962@protypeonline.com><012201c79278$09aecd10$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> <013301c7927a$a1fa0150$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: <001301c79306$637cd240$0500a8c0@Nancy> Darn it!!! Please allow me a moment to vent. We were broken into last night. Wed. when we came in our back door lock was broken but could not be opened because of a dead bolt . I questioned whether someone had tried to get in but was assured by the guys that it just wore out. So.....I didn't call the police. Landlord came and replaced the lock. This morning when my son came in at 7:15, he noticed that the bottle of "Smash Up" had been poured all over the press, rollers, everywhere and the bottle was in the trash. Since nothing appeared to be out of place he started cleaning it up and wondered what we had done after he left. Then he noticed the double door lock was broken but the little dead bolt at the top was pushed up but not all the way. When I came and he asked what we had done last night I started looking around. All our computers were OK but the register had been emptied (maybe $100), a sample of a back pack was gone & a hat, a empty Sprint can was left where no one would ever leave it, and some other little things. My desk was ransacked, loose change taken, 2 rolls stamps OK so we figure it was kids. But I am really POed. Thanks for allowing me to vent. Fortunate that it was kids and they didn't take our computers or bust them up. Nan Nancy Middleton The Printing Place, Inc. 5878 Cook Road, Suite F Milford, OH 45150 nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax 877/248-8774 Toll Free www.theprintingplaceinc.com we now have web hosting From mike at arborprinting.com Thu May 10 09:25:30 2007 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Thu May 10 09:28:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Price/machine type check References: Message-ID: <004c01c79306$ae3c4220$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Where would people be on a job with these specs. And What type of machine would you run it on? 250 sets of 160 color, 8.5 x 11, no bleeds, collate and slip sheet, Hammermill #28 98 Brite paper or similar. 500 sets of the above. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. www.arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Gallagher" To: Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Price/machine type check > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On 5/9/07 4:43 PM, "Mike@arborprinting.com" > wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Not much luck on the other list. >> Where would people be on a job with these specs. And what type of machine >> would you run it on? >> Thanks, > Without any specs, I can see why there are no responses. > > Bob Gallagher > Gallagher Printing, Inc. > 601 W. Main Street > Palmyra, PA 17078 > 717-838-1527 > 1-888-838-1527 > Fax 717-838-5715 > > > An Adobe Service Provider > A Microsoft Publisher Provider > Member, Adobe Solutions Network > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From jedwards at printzilla.net Thu May 10 09:27:15 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Thu May 10 09:29:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Price/machine type check In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <855B3E26-FDA2-44CC-88E0-48D055DE69AB@printzilla.net> On May 10, 2007, at 8:20 AM, Bob Gallagher wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On 5/9/07 4:43 PM, "Mike@arborprinting.com" > wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Not much luck on the other list. >> Where would people be on a job with these specs. And what type of >> machine >> would you run it on? >> Thanks, > Without any specs, I can see why there are no responses. > That's only ever been just a minor detail at our shop. Here determining the specs is a function of prepress to be determined and "engineered" the morning it's scheduled to go to press. Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas From ewingandsons at sbcglobal.net Thu May 10 09:49:53 2007 From: ewingandsons at sbcglobal.net (Dennis W. Ewing Sr) Date: Thu May 10 09:52:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bad Morning Break in In-Reply-To: <001301c79306$637cd240$0500a8c0@Nancy> References: <6054DD19-A2DE-48FF-84B5-D8683A4CD962@protypeonline.com><012201c79278$09aecd10$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> <013301c7927a$a1fa0150$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> <001301c79306$637cd240$0500a8c0@Nancy> Message-ID: <46432301.8080602@sbcglobal.net> Damn, I glad it was not worse. I was in a space that was hit 3 times in one year. I moved and have had no problems since. There is a real feeling I can't describe that hits you when you walk into your shop to see things you worked to earn missing or damaged. Hope your insurance gets things back to normal fast. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@sbcglobal.net ewingandsons@sbcglobal.net Nancy wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Darn it!!! > Please allow me a moment to vent. > > We were broken into last night. > > Wed. when we came in our back door lock was broken but could not be > opened because of a dead bolt . I questioned whether someone had tried > to get in but was assured by the guys that it just wore out. So.....I > didn't call the police. Landlord came and replaced the lock. > > This morning when my son came in at 7:15, he noticed that the bottle > of "Smash Up" had been poured all over the press, rollers, everywhere > and the bottle was in the trash. Since nothing appeared to be out of > place he started cleaning it up and wondered what we had done after he > left. > > Then he noticed the double door lock was broken but the little dead > bolt at the top was pushed up but not all the way. > When I came and he asked what we had done last night I started looking > around. > All our computers were OK but the register had been emptied (maybe > $100), a sample of a back pack was gone & a hat, a empty Sprint can > was left where no one would ever leave it, and some other little > things. My desk was ransacked, loose change taken, 2 rolls stamps > > OK so we figure it was kids. But I am really POed. Thanks for > allowing me to vent. Fortunate that it was kids and they didn't take > our computers or bust them up. > > Nan > > Nancy Middleton > The Printing Place, Inc. > 5878 Cook Road, Suite F > Milford, OH 45150 > nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com > Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax > 877/248-8774 Toll Free > www.theprintingplaceinc.com > we now have web hosting > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From sherwood at net-power.net Thu May 10 10:04:02 2007 From: sherwood at net-power.net (Bob Sherwood) Date: Thu May 10 10:04:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 4 color Envelopes Message-ID: <006b01c7930c$10b47120$01fea8c0@cumberla1> Customer needs 2700 #10 regular envelopes 4/0 by next thursday, any sources? Never have done envelopes before. Bob Sherwoood Cumberland Printing 2201 N. Main St. Monticello, KY 42633 606-348-4517 From rstor at copycats.com Thu May 10 10:07:23 2007 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Thu May 10 10:09:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Price/machine type check In-Reply-To: <004c01c79306$ae3c4220$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> References: <004c01c79306$ae3c4220$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: <4643271B.7020007@copycats.com> Would run it on a Xerox 5000. Price depends on turnaround time. It is not clear how many sets you need - 500 or 250 Mike@arborprinting.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Where would people be on a job with these specs. And What type of machine > would you run it on? > > 250 sets of 160 color, 8.5 x 11, no bleeds, collate and slip sheet, > Hammermill #28 98 Brite paper or similar. > 500 sets of the above. > > Thanks, > > > Michael Shuta > Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. > www.arborprinting.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Gallagher" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:20 AM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Price/machine type check > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> On 5/9/07 4:43 PM, "Mike@arborprinting.com" >> wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> Not much luck on the other list. >>> Where would people be on a job with these specs. And what type of >>> machine >>> would you run it on? >>> Thanks, >> Without any specs, I can see why there are no responses. >> >> Bob Gallagher >> Gallagher Printing, Inc. >> 601 W. Main Street >> Palmyra, PA 17078 >> 717-838-1527 >> 1-888-838-1527 >> Fax 717-838-5715 >> >> >> An Adobe Service Provider >> A Microsoft Publisher Provider >> Member, Adobe Solutions Network >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From mike at arborprinting.com Thu May 10 10:08:48 2007 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Thu May 10 10:11:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Price/machine type check References: <004c01c79306$ae3c4220$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> <4643271B.7020007@copycats.com> Message-ID: <00b901c7930c$bab2f750$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Quote is for sither 250 or 500. 250 would need to turn in a week, 500 2 weeks. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. www.arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Stor" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Price/machine type check > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Would run it on a Xerox 5000. Price depends on turnaround time. > > It is not clear how many sets you need - 500 or 250 > > > > Mike@arborprinting.com wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Where would people be on a job with these specs. And What type of machine >> would you run it on? >> >> 250 sets of 160 color, 8.5 x 11, no bleeds, collate and slip sheet, >> Hammermill #28 98 Brite paper or similar. >> 500 sets of the above. >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Michael Shuta >> Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. >> www.arborprinting.com >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Gallagher" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:20 AM >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Price/machine type check >> >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> On 5/9/07 4:43 PM, "Mike@arborprinting.com" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>>> >>>> Not much luck on the other list. >>>> Where would people be on a job with these specs. And what type of >>>> machine >>>> would you run it on? >>>> Thanks, >>> Without any specs, I can see why there are no responses. >>> >>> Bob Gallagher >>> Gallagher Printing, Inc. >>> 601 W. Main Street >>> Palmyra, PA 17078 >>> 717-838-1527 >>> 1-888-838-1527 >>> Fax 717-838-5715 >>> >>> >>> An Adobe Service Provider >>> A Microsoft Publisher Provider >>> Member, Adobe Solutions Network >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mfoster at chilitech.net Thu May 10 10:13:25 2007 From: mfoster at chilitech.net (Michael Foster) Date: Thu May 10 10:13:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 4 color Envelopes In-Reply-To: <006b01c7930c$10b47120$01fea8c0@cumberla1> Message-ID: NEIinc in Ephrata, PA specializes in these....717-626-1500 -- Michael Foster The Print Shoppe 421 Washington Blvd. Williamsport, PA 17701 570-327-9005 Fax 570-327-9149 www.theprintshoppe.com mfoster@chilitech.net > From: Bob Sherwood > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 10:04:02 -0400 > To: > Subject: [PrintOwners] 4 color Envelopes > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Customer needs 2700 #10 regular envelopes 4/0 by next thursday, any sources? > Never have done envelopes before. > > > Bob Sherwoood > Cumberland Printing > 2201 N. Main St. > Monticello, KY 42633 > 606-348-4517 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From george at dahlquistprinting.com Thu May 10 11:23:54 2007 From: george at dahlquistprinting.com (George Dahlquist) Date: Thu May 10 10:20:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 4 color Envelopes References: <006b01c7930c$10b47120$01fea8c0@cumberla1> Message-ID: <001f01c79317$38988900$0a01a8c0@george> Try bill@alomaprinting.com George Dahlquist Dahlquist Printing & Graphics Orlando, FL ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Customer needs 2700 #10 regular envelopes 4/0 by next thursday, any sources? Never have done envelopes before. Bob Sherwoood Cumberland Printing 2201 N. Main St. Monticello, KY 42633 606-348-4517 _______________________________________________ From mail at myprinter.biz Thu May 10 10:24:02 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Thu May 10 10:24:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bad Morning Break in In-Reply-To: <001301c79306$637cd240$0500a8c0@Nancy> Message-ID: Nan - You have my sympathies. We made and posted on our door a very official-looking, full color sign saying "Sir Speedy Printing is protected by remote, off-premises video monitoring, a service provided by NetCam Security, Inc." - which, to the best of my knowledge, doesn't exist, but it's a nice sign. (I'll allow any/all of you to use that fictitious name - which I don't own - for an extremely nominal sum.) We've also posted signs stating that we keep less than $100.00 on premises. I don't know if either has helped, but we've never had a break-in (or tiger attacks in our parking lot). The real problem is that most people who'd break into a print shop might not be smart enough to read, and it's extremely difficult to protect yourself from stupid people. Picking a print shop to break into when there are so many other businesses that are far more likely to have lots of cash or valuables that can be fenced is sort of like stealing a 1990 Ford Escort for a parking lot fun of lots nicer cars. Tomorrow will be a better day. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Nancy Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 9:23 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Bad Morning Break in ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Darn it!!! Please allow me a moment to vent. We were broken into last night. Wed. when we came in our back door lock was broken but could not be opened because of a dead bolt . I questioned whether someone had tried to get in but was assured by the guys that it just wore out. So.....I didn't call the police. Landlord came and replaced the lock. This morning when my son came in at 7:15, he noticed that the bottle of "Smash Up" had been poured all over the press, rollers, everywhere and the bottle was in the trash. Since nothing appeared to be out of place he started cleaning it up and wondered what we had done after he left. Then he noticed the double door lock was broken but the little dead bolt at the top was pushed up but not all the way. When I came and he asked what we had done last night I started looking around. All our computers were OK but the register had been emptied (maybe $100), a sample of a back pack was gone & a hat, a empty Sprint can was left where no one would ever leave it, and some other little things. My desk was ransacked, loose change taken, 2 rolls stamps OK so we figure it was kids. But I am really POed. Thanks for allowing me to vent. Fortunate that it was kids and they didn't take our computers or bust them up. Nan Nancy Middleton The Printing Place, Inc. 5878 Cook Road, Suite F Milford, OH 45150 nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax 877/248-8774 Toll Free www.theprintingplaceinc.com we now have web hosting _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From tufelkinder at gmail.com Thu May 10 10:25:42 2007 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Thu May 10 10:25:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 4 color Envelopes In-Reply-To: <006b01c7930c$10b47120$01fea8c0@cumberla1> References: <006b01c7930c$10b47120$01fea8c0@cumberla1> Message-ID: <84f70d5e0705100725l68a439e1p3b970003a9517794@mail.gmail.com> Hi Bob, We can do these for you in that timeframe... We would need to have 1/2" top gripper on the envelopes and it may require Next Day Air shipping to get them to you in time. (Ground shipping is included in the quote.) 2700 - $480.00 Thanks! Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA 800-955-3902 http://mercersburg.net -~ Only the mediocre are always at their best. -- Jean Giraudoux From ewingandsons at sbcglobal.net Thu May 10 10:51:41 2007 From: ewingandsons at sbcglobal.net (Dennis W. Ewing Sr) Date: Thu May 10 10:54:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bad Morning Break in In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4643317D.8060209@sbcglobal.net> The break ins I had they took anything that remotely resembled a tool even the little f shaped thing you use to change the rollers on a Chief. They took the t wrench off the Multi. (This is over 15 years ago) I kept buying new air compressors. Those seem to be real popular with criminals. Computers, fax machines TV set and VCR. Stuff they can pawn easily. I think they break in anywhere they think they can find something to pawn. I think it is time to quit throwing folks in jail for smoking pot and divert the energy into throwing criminals in jail. One side benefit of legalizing drugs might be a drop in the break in rate since they will be able to afford their drug of choice. We just set aside some of the tax money to bury the ones who OD on cocaine or whatever and go after the criminals that are hurting someone besides themselves. the police report on break ins has become a check box to collect insurance and then we pay the increased premiums. WE need to get our law enforcement on the right track and quit messing with people who are hurting no one but themselves. Hey alcohol is legal and it kills a few folks too. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@sbcglobal.net ewingandsons@sbcglobal.net mail@myprinter.biz wrote: > > > The real problem is that most people who'd break into a print shop might not > be smart enough to read, and it's extremely difficult to protect yourself > from stupid people. > > Picking a print shop to break into when there are so many other businesses > that are far more likely to have lots of cash or valuables that can be > fenced is sort of like stealing a 1990 Ford Escort for a parking lot fun of > lots nicer cars. > > Tomorrow will be a better day. > > Dan > > From sos at olympus.net Thu May 10 11:25:03 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu May 10 11:27:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Price/machine type check References: <004c01c79306$ae3c4220$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: <004c01c79317$621ae890$0300a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike@arborprinting.com" > 250 sets of 160 color, 8.5 x 11, no bleeds, collate and slip sheet, > Hammermill #28 98 Brite paper or similar. ================== 250 we'd be around $12,000 run on a Xerox 250. Not sure we could do it in a week. We'd run out of paper and it'd depend on which day of the week we ordered more and got delivery. We've never done a job even remotely like this. Does that help? Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From cpurvine1 at cox.net Thu May 10 12:17:32 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Thu May 10 12:19:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bad Morning Break in In-Reply-To: References: <001301c79306$637cd240$0500a8c0@Nancy> Message-ID: <009a01c7931e$b8893450$0200a8c0@corapurvine> Glad things weren't worse Nan. Lots of times they pick print shops because they are looking for toluene, etc. On the sign you might also list that you don't have any of those chemicals in the shop. We got a call at 4 in the morning one time and went down and couldn't find anything wrong, but we had a cock-a-too in a case in there and we think he must have gotten scared and flapped his wings They guy next door got a call another time and it was because of a spider web that kept drifting back and forth in front of his camera. At least that is the only thing all of us could figure Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From rstor at copycats.com Thu May 10 12:35:54 2007 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Thu May 10 12:37:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Price/machine type check In-Reply-To: <004c01c79306$ae3c4220$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> References: <004c01c79306$ae3c4220$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: <464349EA.4090209@copycats.com> 250 sets - $13,080 500 sets - $18,110 Turnaround is no problem, we run this type of work routinely. Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 Mike@arborprinting.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Where would people be on a job with these specs. And What type of machine > would you run it on? > > 250 sets of 160 color, 8.5 x 11, no bleeds, collate and slip sheet, > Hammermill #28 98 Brite paper or similar. > 500 sets of the above. > > Thanks, > > > Michael Shuta > Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. > www.arborprinting.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Gallagher" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:20 AM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Price/machine type check > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> On 5/9/07 4:43 PM, "Mike@arborprinting.com" >> wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> Not much luck on the other list. >>> Where would people be on a job with these specs. And what type of >>> machine >>> would you run it on? >>> Thanks, >> Without any specs, I can see why there are no responses. >> >> Bob Gallagher >> Gallagher Printing, Inc. >> 601 W. Main Street >> Palmyra, PA 17078 >> 717-838-1527 >> 1-888-838-1527 >> Fax 717-838-5715 >> >> >> An Adobe Service Provider >> A Microsoft Publisher Provider >> Member, Adobe Solutions Network >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From eric at prioritypress.com Thu May 10 12:53:20 2007 From: eric at prioritypress.com (Eric Mance) Date: Thu May 10 12:52:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Price/machine type check In-Reply-To: <464349EA.4090209@copycats.com> Message-ID: <20070510165212.30E818365FB@rb.enter.net> What machine do you use? Eric Mance Priority Press (413)525-6111 www.prioritypress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robert Stor Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 12:36 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Price/machine type check ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** 250 sets - $13,080 500 sets - $18,110 Turnaround is no problem, we run this type of work routinely. Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 Mike@arborprinting.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Where would people be on a job with these specs. And What type of machine > would you run it on? > > 250 sets of 160 color, 8.5 x 11, no bleeds, collate and slip sheet, > Hammermill #28 98 Brite paper or similar. > 500 sets of the above. > > Thanks, > > > Michael Shuta > Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. > www.arborprinting.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Gallagher" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:20 AM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Price/machine type check > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> On 5/9/07 4:43 PM, "Mike@arborprinting.com" >> wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> Not much luck on the other list. >>> Where would people be on a job with these specs. And what type of >>> machine >>> would you run it on? >>> Thanks, >> Without any specs, I can see why there are no responses. >> >> Bob Gallagher >> Gallagher Printing, Inc. >> 601 W. Main Street >> Palmyra, PA 17078 >> 717-838-1527 >> 1-888-838-1527 >> Fax 717-838-5715 >> >> >> An Adobe Service Provider >> A Microsoft Publisher Provider >> Member, Adobe Solutions Network >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From info at ospdirect.com Thu May 10 12:56:59 2007 From: info at ospdirect.com (One Source Printing) Date: Thu May 10 12:56:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bad Morning Break in References: <6054DD19-A2DE-48FF-84B5-D8683A4CD962@protypeonline.com><012201c79278$09aecd10$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC><013301c7927a$a1fa0150$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> <001301c79306$637cd240$0500a8c0@Nancy> Message-ID: <002a01c79324$39ef7a90$0f24230a@charles> Nan-- We were broken into several years ago. We had just moved into a new lease space on a Friday, spent Saturday and Sunday trying to bring as much to order as possible so we could resume production on Monday. Sunday night we were broken in. No question how they did it. They took a bat or club and busted out the glass of the front door. Yes, the alarm system was working, they took a bat to the siren as well. I beat the cops there and live 8 miles further than the closest Police station. Nothing like pulling up to your business at 3:30 in the morning with the front door busted out, lights on and you are not real sure if anyone is still in the place. Sorting out what was missing was a real joy. Burglar bars when up that week and we never has another problem in that space, but our neighbors that didn't have the bars did. Came to the conclusion an alarm system is not a real great deterrent, just documents when the thieves are stealing your stuff. Charles Corn Charles One Source Printing and Graphics 713-686-9777 . 713-686-8188 Fax 5810 Dierker Drive . Houston, Texas 77041 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:23 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Bad Morning Break in > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Darn it!!! > Please allow me a moment to vent. > > We were broken into last night. > > Wed. when we came in our back door lock was broken but could not be opened > because of a dead bolt . I questioned whether someone had tried to get in > but was assured by the guys that it just wore out. So.....I didn't call the > police. Landlord came and replaced the lock. > > This morning when my son came in at 7:15, he noticed that the bottle of > "Smash Up" had been poured all over the press, rollers, everywhere and the > bottle was in the trash. Since nothing appeared to be out of place he > started cleaning it up and wondered what we had done after he left. > > Then he noticed the double door lock was broken but the little dead bolt at > the top was pushed up but not all the way. > When I came and he asked what we had done last night I started looking > around. > All our computers were OK but the register had been emptied (maybe $100), a > sample of a back pack was gone & a hat, a empty Sprint can was left where no > one would ever leave it, and some other little things. My desk was > ransacked, loose change taken, 2 rolls stamps > > OK so we figure it was kids. But I am really POed. Thanks for allowing me > to vent. Fortunate that it was kids and they didn't take our computers or > bust them up. > > Nan > > Nancy Middleton > The Printing Place, Inc. > 5878 Cook Road, Suite F > Milford, OH 45150 > nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com > Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax > 877/248-8774 Toll Free > www.theprintingplaceinc.com > we now have web hosting > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu May 10 13:15:09 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu May 10 13:15:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Price/machine type check In-Reply-To: <004c01c79306$ae3c4220$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> References: <004c01c79306$ae3c4220$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0705101015m253daaa6yb46b91dba8c05ac4@mail.gmail.com> > > > On 5/9/07 4:43 PM, "Mike@arborprinting.com" < mike@arborprinting.com> > > wrote: > > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> > >> Not much luck on the other list. > >> Where would people be on a job with these specs. And what type of > machine > >> would you run it on? > >> Thanks, Actually, Mike, you seem to have missed the only real response you've gotten to date, in which I interpreted your incomplete and unclear specs, then provided answers to your questions. It's over on the other list. Your question might have been posed in a way that would have been of interest to many on the lists. This is a real-world pricing question that isn't likely to show up on a pricing survey, but, while the number of impressions is higher than most of us are likely to see very often, the responses could be enlightening. I rephrased the question and its context over on "the other" list in hopes of eliciting more response. > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > > =================================== > If you can do a half-assed job of anything, you're > a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind. > ~ Kurt Vonnegut From rstor at copycats.com Thu May 10 13:28:40 2007 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Thu May 10 13:30:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Price/machine type check In-Reply-To: <20070510165212.30E818365FB@rb.enter.net> References: <20070510165212.30E818365FB@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <46435648.9080907@copycats.com> Xerox 5000 Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 Eric Mance wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > What machine do you use? > > Eric Mance > Priority Press > (413)525-6111 > www.prioritypress.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robert Stor > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 12:36 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Price/machine type check > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > 250 sets - $13,080 > 500 sets - $18,110 > > Turnaround is no problem, we run this type of work routinely. > > Regards, > Bob Stor > Copycats > New York, NY > 212-557-2111 x20 > > Mike@arborprinting.com wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Where would people be on a job with these specs. And What type of machine >> would you run it on? >> >> 250 sets of 160 color, 8.5 x 11, no bleeds, collate and slip sheet, >> Hammermill #28 98 Brite paper or similar. >> 500 sets of the above. >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Michael Shuta >> Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. >> www.arborprinting.com >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Gallagher" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:20 AM >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Price/machine type check >> >> >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> On 5/9/07 4:43 PM, "Mike@arborprinting.com" >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>>> >>>> Not much luck on the other list. >>>> Where would people be on a job with these specs. And what type of >>>> machine >>>> would you run it on? >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>> Without any specs, I can see why there are no responses. >>> >>> Bob Gallagher >>> Gallagher Printing, Inc. >>> 601 W. Main Street >>> Palmyra, PA 17078 >>> 717-838-1527 >>> 1-888-838-1527 >>> Fax 717-838-5715 >>> >>> >>> An Adobe Service Provider >>> A Microsoft Publisher Provider >>> Member, Adobe Solutions Network >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From swiftyprinting at mac.com Thu May 10 13:42:23 2007 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Thu May 10 13:42:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Price/machine type check In-Reply-To: <46435648.9080907@copycats.com> References: <20070510165212.30E818365FB@rb.enter.net> <46435648.9080907@copycats.com> Message-ID: <116C7376-2B36-406C-BA5B-1A26C53245ED@mac.com> > The original specs, with clarification: > 160 pages, 8.5 x 11, 4/0 > 28# bright white laser text > Collated with slip sheet > Quantity: 250 and 500 (i.e., 40,000/80,000 color sides) > > > Our iGen pricing (walk in estimate) 1 day turn around > 250 $10,153 > 500 $20,050 > > Customer we know/ trade or other work with the job / bid pricing > 3-5 day turn around > > 250 $7,500 > 500 $9,500 > > > > Chuck Pappas > Arlington Swifty Printing > 1386 Massachusetts Avenue > Arlington, MA 02476 > 781-646-8700 > www.arlingtonswifty.com From craig at newhavenprint.com Thu May 10 13:55:28 2007 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Thu May 10 13:56:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Price/machine type check In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0705101015m253daaa6yb46b91dba8c05ac4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070510175619.85BA8836A0F@rb.enter.net> > Actually, Mike, you seem to have missed the only real > response you've gotten to date, in which I interpreted your > incomplete and unclear specs, then provided answers to your questions. > > It's over on the other list. > > I rephrased the question and its context over on "the other" > list in hopes of eliciting more response. I replied to Mike privately, but here's my answer to him. Hello Michael, We could produce your job (either quantity) within two or three days. The job would be ran on our Xerox iGen3 Digital Color Press which would give you the highest quality possible. We're about a 3-1/2 hour drive east of you. We could do the 250 sets for $6,900. The 500 sets would be $13,260. We could have a delivery service bring them to you. They charge about $300-$350 to deliver a large load to Chicago. We have them deliver printing to Itasca for us. Thanks, Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From bill at mauiprintworks.com Thu May 10 14:25:34 2007 From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works) Date: Thu May 10 14:25:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Price/machine type check In-Reply-To: <004c01c79306$ae3c4220$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> References: <004c01c79306$ae3c4220$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: <5e4c9e34bc9143e35646f136490de761@mauiprintworks.com> I haven't closely analyzed our figures of that volume but on a Xerox 240, format file to 2-up, run with slip sheet, cut and bulk box. normal price 250 sets- ~$8,800.00 500 sets- ~$16,500.00 my current test for tight bid price ( it still makes a good profit ) 250 sets- ~$5,800.00 500 sets- ~$10,800.00 1 week for 250, 2 weeks for 500 If paper and toner is available (xpedx on Maui, paper is never available at that quantity) Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku, HI 96793 (808)242-6634 Fax (808)242-8967 bill@mauiprintworks.com www. mauiprintworks.com > > Where would people be on a job with these specs. And What type of > machine > would you run it on? > > 250 sets of 160 color, 8.5 x 11, no bleeds, collate and slip sheet, > Hammermill #28 98 Brite paper or similar. > 500 sets of the above. > > Thanks, > > Michael Shuta > Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. > www.arborprinting.com From nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com Thu May 10 14:33:21 2007 From: nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com (Nancy) Date: Thu May 10 14:33:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bad Morning Break in References: <001301c79306$637cd240$0500a8c0@Nancy> <009a01c7931e$b8893450$0200a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <005701c79331$b0144ef0$0500a8c0@Nancy> Thanks for letting me vent. Very thankful things weren't worse. We figure that they (assuming that there had to be at least 2) were between 12 & 14. If it had been druggies they would have taken the "Smash Up" to huff (all of us have a head ache today from the fumes from almost a whole bottle. Adult burglers would have taken the computers. Funny thing was, the Sprite can and the tag from the hat they took had absolutely NO fingerprints. Not even on the can from when I put it in the ref. yesterday. I am so POed I would go home and kick the dog but he is so big he would probably kick me back. LOL OH, I think they had a sandwich too while they were here. My ham & cheese was almost gone. Nan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cora Purvine" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 11:17 AM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Bad Morning Break in > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Glad things weren't worse Nan. Lots of times they pick print shops because > they are looking for toluene, etc. On the sign you might also list that > you > don't have any of those chemicals in the shop. > > We got a call at 4 in the morning one time and went down and couldn't find > anything wrong, but we had a cock-a-too in a case in there and we think he > must have gotten scared and flapped his wings They guy next door got a > call another time and it was because of a spider web that kept drifting > back > and forth in front of his camera. At least that is the only thing all of > us > could figure > > > Class Act Printing and Foil > Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners > 5801 W. Juno Ave. > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 > cpurvine1@cox.net > www.ClassActPrinting.biz > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Thu May 10 14:36:55 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Thu May 10 14:38:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Chipboard inserter - wanted Message-ID: <64da7d2b5e191004af823c0887a314d7@sheergraphics.com> Does anybody know who makes a chipboard inserter for small sheet fed presses? I spoke with Mike Murray, President/CEO, Brackett (800) 255-3506 and was told that Flikur Model FIM-1 chipboard inserter is no longer manufactured. No luck on Ebay and I can only find web-to-sheet inserters on Google. We tape insert every 10 sheets on press and then manually insert 11" x 17" chip. It's very labor intensive! Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From k_graham at hotmail.com Thu May 10 15:54:39 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Thu May 10 15:55:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bad Morning Break in References: <001301c79306$637cd240$0500a8c0@Nancy><009a01c7931e$b8893450$0200a8c0@corapurvine> <005701c79331$b0144ef0$0500a8c0@Nancy> Message-ID: Check your neighbours for Video Cameras ASAP We had a break in some months back and I missed by probably 1 hour one that might have had a better photo. They had digital and it re-records after about 3 days. We did get some footage of a pickup and 1 person. Turns out almost everyone but me has a video camera to our back alley though you wouldn't know it, they are well hidden so you need to inform all neighbours quickly. The guy parked at back door 1st earlier in a pickup, may have left tools, left and later walked up. I was glad I didn't recognize any employee vehicle, current or X. The alarm only lets you know it happened. Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Bad Morning Break in > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Thanks for letting me vent. > > Very thankful things weren't worse. We figure that they (assuming that > there had to be at least 2) were between 12 & 14. If it had been druggies > they would have taken the "Smash Up" to huff (all of us have a head ache > today from the fumes from almost a whole bottle. Adult burglers would have > taken the computers. Funny thing was, the Sprite can and the tag from the > hat they took had absolutely NO fingerprints. Not even on the can from > when I put it in the ref. yesterday. > > I am so POed I would go home and kick the dog but he is so big he would > probably kick me back. LOL > > OH, I think they had a sandwich too while they were here. My ham & cheese > was almost gone. > > Nan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cora Purvine" > To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 11:17 AM > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Bad Morning Break in > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Glad things weren't worse Nan. Lots of times they pick print shops >> because >> they are looking for toluene, etc. On the sign you might also list that >> you >> don't have any of those chemicals in the shop. >> >> We got a call at 4 in the morning one time and went down and couldn't >> find >> anything wrong, but we had a cock-a-too in a case in there and we think >> he >> must have gotten scared and flapped his wings They guy next door got a >> call another time and it was because of a spider web that kept drifting >> back >> and forth in front of his camera. At least that is the only thing all of >> us >> could figure >> >> >> Class Act Printing and Foil >> Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners >> 5801 W. Juno Ave. >> Wichita, KS 67215-1742 >> Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 >> cpurvine1@cox.net >> www.ClassActPrinting.biz >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From sos at olympus.net Thu May 10 17:22:55 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu May 10 17:25:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] MBO References: <001301c79306$637cd240$0500a8c0@Nancy><009a01c7931e$b8893450$0200a8c0@corapurvine><005701c79331$b0144ef0$0500a8c0@Nancy> Message-ID: <01a501c79349$5fdd68f0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> I was folding some multi page newsletters this morning, throwing them on the MBO B-118 right angle, and the gaps were set very wrong, I would have yelled at my pressman who had started the job yesterday, but he wasn't in yet. So I reset the gaps and folded away, and soon discovered they were all wrong again. The knobs seem to be rotating all by themselves. Not all of them of course, just a couple. But after awhile, if you listen you can hear it start grinding kind of, you know that sound it makes when the rollers are too tight. I don't see anything loose. Anybody experience that problem. Is there an easy solution. Or should I just call MBO? Thanks, Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From acepm2 at gmail.com Thu May 10 17:31:48 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Thu May 10 17:31:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] MBO In-Reply-To: <01a501c79349$5fdd68f0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <001301c79306$637cd240$0500a8c0@Nancy> <009a01c7931e$b8893450$0200a8c0@corapurvine> <005701c79331$b0144ef0$0500a8c0@Nancy> <01a501c79349$5fdd68f0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: Dan, We had that same problem on a Baum folder. I, like you, upgraded to a MBO. I've not had that problem as of yet (4 years still running!). I would call MBO and ask them to send someone over to fix it. You may actually be doing damage to the machine in the long run. Good luck! Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing On 5/10/07, Dan Huntingford wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I was folding some multi page newsletters this morning, throwing them on > the > MBO B-118 right angle, and the gaps were set very wrong, I would have > yelled > at my pressman who had started the job yesterday, but he wasn't in > yet. So > I reset the gaps and folded away, and soon discovered they were all wrong > again. The knobs seem to be rotating all by themselves. Not all of them > of > course, just a couple. But after awhile, if you listen you can hear it > start grinding kind of, you know that sound it makes when the rollers are > too tight. > I don't see anything loose. > Anybody experience that problem. > Is there an easy solution. > Or should I just call MBO? > > Thanks, > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From braddpotter at juno.com Fri May 11 02:27:18 2007 From: braddpotter at juno.com (Brad D Potter) Date: Fri May 11 02:28:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Verbal communication and employee communication styles. Message-ID: <20070510.232719.1676.4.braddpotter@juno.com> Michael brought up an interesting point. I have 2 employees neither are very "verbal" They listen well, but when a dispute comes up, like a customer says they said (whatever insert here), I can "see" in my mind, my employee looking them in the eye and nodding their head. What I need to "teach" is how to be a bit more verbal. I had a customer call and say to a csr .. Reorder number 12345, only I want regulars. Well I am 100 percent sure that my employees ears turned off after he wrote down the number (they did not hear the paper change instruction). What I would have done is taken the phone number and name, pulled the old order, and repeated back the specs, "you want 3000 window envelopes", The customer would then say, NO I want that image on 3,000 regulars. They DID say it, it was just not heard by the csr. Both of my staff get a little testy when I try to "train" them on service issues. I can not just say it, we have to have a 15 minute discussion as I heal their little egos because I am so negative. Sure we get 99% of them right. And I never say anything. But I do buy Pizza when we have a busy week with few problems. This last issue (this really happened...) I could see him start to get mad that I would suggest it was his fault. It is NOT sure that it is his fault, (I had to say it about 5 times) the employee could be covering their own mistake (and as it is, we are holding them to bill next month, so we are not really losing)... But I gave him the scenario that HAD he read back the specs to the customer, this could have been solved, and why it was in OUR best interest to spend a few more minutes (seconds really) on the phone. I ALWAYS use the persons name too in the later part of the conversation. Like "Betty we really appreciate your order, I will get those regular envelopes out in the next couple of days". Is there a way to teach guys to talk more? One thing I tried for a while was to make them circle the specifications and initial the details when they had printed out the work order (we use Printers Plan) as a verification point that they had indeed entered the order correctly. I was the only one that did it. And I got tired of asking them. brad Printing Services www.myprintsource.net 3480 SE Bethel Road Port Orchard, Washington 98366 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax >>>> Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Verbalizing this is definitely more effective than relying on them to read and understand the proofreading dilemma. From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Fri May 11 02:59:30 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Fri May 11 02:59:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Is there a way to teach guys to talk more Message-ID: Brad......I'd direct that question over to Hal. As for CSR's....never hire a male CSR. Giant mistake. Ask anyone. Your average guy is limited to 60 seconds of comprehension on the phone, max. Hey, that's not a slam, it a proven scientific fact. >>>>>>>>Is there a way to teach guys to talk more? <<<<<<<<<< brad Printing Services www.myprintsource.net 3480 SE Bethel Road Port Orchard, Washington 98366 Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing From allreadyprinting at gmail.com Fri May 11 08:21:53 2007 From: allreadyprinting at gmail.com (All Ready Printing) Date: Fri May 11 08:21:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Verbal communication and employee communication styles. In-Reply-To: <20070510.232719.1676.4.braddpotter@juno.com> References: <20070510.232719.1676.4.braddpotter@juno.com> Message-ID: <844f39e80705110521u39d821f1s6defbf5100a8be59@mail.gmail.com> Brad: If you can get your employees to read Jeffrey Gitomer's book, "Customer Satisfaction is Worthless" It might be more effective than "you" teaching them. Gitomer is a third-party outside expert who writes effectively, accurately and brilliantly about this very subject. In fact, you could even likely take snippets from the book and present them to the customer. Most good CSRs follow his mantras without even knowing it. Given the knowledge of what really works, from someone else than the guy who signs their checks, might have them seeing the light faster than you expect. -MK On 5/11/07, Brad D Potter wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Michael brought up an interesting point. I have 2 employees neither > are very "verbal" They listen well, but when a dispute comes up, like > a customer says they said (whatever insert here), I can "see" in my mind, > my employee looking them in the eye and nodding their head. > > What I need to "teach" is how to be a bit more verbal. I had a customer > call and say to a csr .. Reorder number 12345, only I want regulars. > Well I am 100 percent sure that my employees ears turned off after he > wrote down the number (they did not hear the paper change instruction). > What I would have done is taken the phone number and name, pulled the old > order, and repeated back the specs, "you want 3000 window envelopes", > The customer would then say, NO I want that image on 3,000 regulars. > They DID say it, it was just not heard by the csr. > > Both of my staff get a little testy when I try to "train" them on service > issues. I can not just say it, we have to have a 15 minute discussion as > I heal their little egos because I am so negative. Sure we get 99% of > them right. And I never say anything. But I do buy Pizza when we have a > busy week with few problems. > > This last issue (this really happened...) I could see him start to get > mad that I would suggest it was his fault. It is NOT sure that it is his > fault, (I had to say it about 5 times) the employee could be covering > their own mistake (and as it is, we are holding them to bill next month, > so we are not really losing)... > > But I gave him the scenario that HAD he read back the specs to the > customer, this could have been solved, and why it was in OUR best > interest to spend a few more minutes (seconds really) on the phone. I > ALWAYS use the persons name too in the later part of the conversation. > Like "Betty we really appreciate your order, I will get those regular > envelopes out in the next couple of days". > > Is there a way to teach guys to talk more? One thing I tried for a > while was to make them circle the specifications and initial the details > when they had printed out the work order (we use Printers Plan) as a > verification point that they had indeed entered the order correctly. I > was the only one that did it. And I got tired of asking them. > > > > brad > > > Printing Services > www.myprintsource.net > 3480 SE Bethel Road > Port Orchard, Washington 98366 > 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax > > > > > >>>> > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > > Verbalizing this is definitely more effective than relying on them to > read and understand the proofreading dilemma. > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- All Ready Inc. Modern offset printing, custom thermography, and full-service direct mail solutions. http://www.allready.com Call us toll free: (888)-270-7780 From nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com Fri May 11 08:25:49 2007 From: nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com (Nancy) Date: Fri May 11 08:25:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bad Morning Break in References: <001301c79306$637cd240$0500a8c0@Nancy><009a01c7931e$b8893450$0200a8c0@corapurvine><005701c79331$b0144ef0$0500a8c0@Nancy> Message-ID: <000d01c793c7$826dfe10$0500a8c0@Nancy> None of the businesses has outdoor surveillance. The business next door, has indoor cameras and he is checking to see if they picked anything up through the windows. Their windows are tinted so it is unlikely that it would show anything. Everything points to young kids except pouring the bottle of Blanket Swell stuff on the press. With all the stuff around, why that one act of vandalism. We fired a pressman but that was over a year ago and he was almost 50. Doubt that it would have been him. Nancy Nancy Middleton The Printing Place, Inc. Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Bad Morning Break in > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Check your neighbours for Video Cameras ASAP > > We had a break in some months back and I missed by probably 1 hour one > that might have had a better photo. They had digital and it re-records > after about 3 days. We did get some footage of a pickup and 1 person. > > Turns out almost everyone but me has a video camera to our back alley > though you wouldn't know it, they are well hidden so you need to inform > all neighbours quickly. The guy parked at back door 1st earlier in a > pickup, may have left tools, left and later walked up. I was glad I didn't > recognize any employee vehicle, current or X. > > The alarm only lets you know it happened. > > Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com > CommunityPrinters.com > 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC > V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 > Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nancy" > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 11:33 AM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Bad Morning Break in > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Thanks for letting me vent. >> >> Very thankful things weren't worse. We figure that they (assuming that >> there had to be at least 2) were between 12 & 14. If it had been druggies >> they would have taken the "Smash Up" to huff (all of us have a head ache >> today from the fumes from almost a whole bottle. Adult burglers would >> have taken the computers. Funny thing was, the Sprite can and the tag >> from the hat they took had absolutely NO fingerprints. Not even on the >> can from when I put it in the ref. yesterday. >> >> I am so POed I would go home and kick the dog but he is so big he would >> probably kick me back. LOL >> >> OH, I think they had a sandwich too while they were here. My ham & cheese >> was almost gone. >> >> Nan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cora Purvine" >> To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" >> >> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 11:17 AM >> Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Bad Morning Break in >> >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> Glad things weren't worse Nan. Lots of times they pick print shops >>> because >>> they are looking for toluene, etc. On the sign you might also list that >>> you >>> don't have any of those chemicals in the shop. >>> >>> We got a call at 4 in the morning one time and went down and couldn't >>> find >>> anything wrong, but we had a cock-a-too in a case in there and we think >>> he >>> must have gotten scared and flapped his wings They guy next door got >>> a >>> call another time and it was because of a spider web that kept drifting >>> back >>> and forth in front of his camera. At least that is the only thing all of >>> us >>> could figure >>> >>> >>> Class Act Printing and Foil >>> Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners >>> 5801 W. Juno Ave. >>> Wichita, KS 67215-1742 >>> Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 >>> cpurvine1@cox.net >>> www.ClassActPrinting.biz >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From clc at crownmax.com Fri May 11 09:23:20 2007 From: clc at crownmax.com (clc) Date: Fri May 11 09:18:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Print Shop For Sale References: Message-ID: <000601c793cf$8bc49ca0$7201a8c0@Crown.local> Fellow Printowners If you have not purchased and read "Print Shop For Sale" by Larry Hunt & John Stewart you are missing out on not only how you can put thousands of dollars in your pocket but probably the best business valuation book ever. I am recommending it to friends who are in other businesses so they can understand valuation in their industry. This is an unsolicited recommendation for this book they are unaware that I am doing this. Buy it now! Charlie Counts CROWNMAX, Inc. 2301 Roxalana Road P O Box 234 Dunbar, WV 25064-0234 1-800-252-4011 -- Fax 304-744-8652 clc@crownmax.com www.crownmax.com From tufelkinder at gmail.com Fri May 11 10:06:37 2007 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Fri May 11 10:06:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Is there a way to teach guys to talk more In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <84f70d5e0705110706o1c94866dgd5a62a3b7471dda@mail.gmail.com> On 5/11/07, larry wrote: > As for CSR's....never hire a male CSR. Giant mistake. Ask anyone. Your average guy > is limited to 60 seconds of comprehension on the phone, max. Hey, that's not a slam, > it a proven scientific fact. Source? Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA 800-955-3902 http://mercersburg.net -~ Only the mediocre are always at their best. -- Jean Giraudoux From tgrogan at wilmotprint.com Fri May 11 12:57:30 2007 From: tgrogan at wilmotprint.com (Tim Grogan) Date: Fri May 11 13:15:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Print production to broker of printing Message-ID: Does anyone know of someone who has gone from producing printing in house to a print broker? Timothy T. Grogan President. tgrogan@wilmotprint.com "Have I asked you to buy some printing today?" From brianoday at eprint.us Fri May 11 13:33:34 2007 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Fri May 11 13:33:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Print Shop For Sale In-Reply-To: <000601c793cf$8bc49ca0$7201a8c0@Crown.local> References: <000601c793cf$8bc49ca0$7201a8c0@Crown.local> Message-ID: <003001c793f2$80afebd0$6701a8c0@Brian> Charlie I am not as fast a reader as you I am stuck on all the details but PRINT SHOP FOR SALE is a great resource book. I am finally getting a good feel for what my business is worth but the best part is they tell you how to increase the value before you sell. I would recommend this book to anyone thinking of selling or buying a print shop as well as ALL CURRENT OWNERS. Brian O'Day ePrint Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of clc Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 6:23 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Print Shop For Sale ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Fellow Printowners If you have not purchased and read "Print Shop For Sale" by Larry Hunt & John Stewart you are missing out on not only how you can put thousands of dollars in your pocket but probably the best business valuation book ever. I am recommending it to friends who are in other businesses so they can understand valuation in their industry. This is an unsolicited recommendation for this book they are unaware that I am doing this. Buy it now! Charlie Counts CROWNMAX, Inc. 2301 Roxalana Road P O Box 234 Dunbar, WV 25064-0234 1-800-252-4011 -- Fax 304-744-8652 clc@crownmax.com www.crownmax.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From carisa at holmesprinting.com Fri May 11 13:34:56 2007 From: carisa at holmesprinting.com (Carisa Holmes-Peters) Date: Fri May 11 13:35:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Salary employee - vacation pay In-Reply-To: <20070511160003.BC18783A399@rb.enter.net> References: <20070511160003.BC18783A399@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <420FD46F-DF41-4F88-BBF7-98BB82FA1751@holmesprinting.com> We have a salary employee that is going to be leaving us. A one week earned vacation was never taken. I have not had this situation come up with a salary person before....do you pay for those 5 days not taken? Thanks! Carisa Carisa Holmes-Peters Administrative Office Manager HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com http://www.holmesprinting.com/ ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! POSTERS, BANNERS, INDOOR/OUTDOOR AND MORE - CALL TODAY! ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** From s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com Fri May 11 13:41:38 2007 From: s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com (Sonya Hughes) Date: Fri May 11 13:43:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Salary employee - vacation pay In-Reply-To: <420FD46F-DF41-4F88-BBF7-98BB82FA1751@holmesprinting.com> References: <20070511160003.BC18783A399@rb.enter.net> <420FD46F-DF41-4F88-BBF7-98BB82FA1751@holmesprinting.com> Message-ID: Carisa, I would. She earned it ... you owe it. If you don't pay her, she could come back for it. Sonya, Legend Printing Dodge City, KS On May 11, 2007, at 12:34 PM, Carisa Holmes-Peters wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have a salary employee that is going to be leaving us. A one > week earned vacation was never taken. I have not had this situation > come up with a salary person before....do you pay for those 5 days > not taken? > > Thanks! > Carisa > > > > Carisa Holmes-Peters > Administrative Office Manager > HOLMES Printing > 401 E. Columbia Street > Springfield, OH 45503 > Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 > Fax (937) 322-1601 > carisa@holmesprinting.com > http://www.holmesprinting.com/ > > ********************************************************************** > ***************************************************************** > WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! POSTERS, BANNERS, INDOOR/OUTDOOR AND > MORE - CALL TODAY! > ********************************************************************** > ***************************************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From dana at landmarkimpressions.com Fri May 11 13:49:08 2007 From: dana at landmarkimpressions.com (dana) Date: Fri May 11 13:44:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Salary employee - vacation pay In-Reply-To: <420FD46F-DF41-4F88-BBF7-98BB82FA1751@holmesprinting.com> Message-ID: <016701c793f4$acdd5c40$fa01a8c0@KwikKopyPrinting.LAN> Don't know if it is state or Federal law. In MA this would have to be paid, no choice. Dana Wilson Landmark Impressions 35 Industrial Parkway Woburn, MA 01801 Phone: 781-569-0297 Fax: 781-569-0419 cell: 781-710-7609 www.landmarkimpressions.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Carisa Holmes-Peters Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 1:35 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Salary employee - vacation pay ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have a salary employee that is going to be leaving us. A one week earned vacation was never taken. I have not had this situation come up with a salary person before....do you pay for those 5 days not taken? Thanks! Carisa Carisa Holmes-Peters Administrative Office Manager HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com http://www.holmesprinting.com/ ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! POSTERS, BANNERS, INDOOR/OUTDOOR AND MORE - CALL TODAY! ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From championprinting at yahoo.com Fri May 11 13:48:30 2007 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Fri May 11 13:48:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Print production to broker of printing Message-ID: <182578.81409.qm@web38904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, several. It has been their way of gradually exiting the printing business rather than just directly changing careers or working for another printer. Others have been very successful producing very little in house and (supposedly) have many printers lined up to become one of their suppliers. http://www.webbmason.com/ Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Tim Grogan To: PRINTSMITH Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 12:57:30 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Print production to broker of printing ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Does anyone know of someone who has gone from producing printing in house to a print broker? Timothy T. Grogan President. tgrogan@wilmotprint.com "Have I asked you to buy some printing today?" From char at themasterspress.com Fri May 11 13:51:27 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Fri May 11 13:51:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Salary employee - vacation pay In-Reply-To: <420FD46F-DF41-4F88-BBF7-98BB82FA1751@holmesprinting.com> References: <20070511160003.BC18783A399@rb.enter.net> <420FD46F-DF41-4F88-BBF7-98BB82FA1751@holmesprinting.com> Message-ID: <01e901c793f5$004aef50$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Yes pay them. It is not worth the money fighting over. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Carisa Holmes-Peters Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 12:35 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Salary employee - vacation pay ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have a salary employee that is going to be leaving us. A one week earned vacation was never taken. I have not had this situation come up with a salary person before....do you pay for those 5 days not taken? Thanks! Carisa Carisa Holmes-Peters Administrative Office Manager HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com http://www.holmesprinting.com/ ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! POSTERS, BANNERS, INDOOR/OUTDOOR AND MORE - CALL TODAY! ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mike at arborprinting.com Fri May 11 13:54:04 2007 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Fri May 11 13:56:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Salary employee - vacation pay References: <20070511160003.BC18783A399@rb.enter.net><420FD46F-DF41-4F88-BBF7-98BB82FA1751@holmesprinting.com> Message-ID: <00a001c793f5$5d46a550$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> In Illinois it's the law that all accrued vacation be paid upon termination or resignation. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. www.arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sonya Hughes" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Salary employee - vacation pay > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Carisa, I would. She earned it ... you owe it. If you don't pay her, she > could come back for it. > Sonya, > Legend Printing > Dodge City, KS > > > On May 11, 2007, at 12:34 PM, Carisa Holmes-Peters wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> We have a salary employee that is going to be leaving us. A one week >> earned vacation was never taken. I have not had this situation come up >> with a salary person before....do you pay for those 5 days not taken? >> >> Thanks! >> Carisa >> >> >> >> Carisa Holmes-Peters >> Administrative Office Manager >> HOLMES Printing >> 401 E. Columbia Street >> Springfield, OH 45503 >> Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 >> Fax (937) 322-1601 >> carisa@holmesprinting.com >> http://www.holmesprinting.com/ >> >> ********************************************************************** >> ***************************************************************** >> WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! POSTERS, BANNERS, INDOOR/OUTDOOR AND MORE - >> CALL TODAY! >> ********************************************************************** >> ***************************************************************** >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From joe at calagaz.com Fri May 11 14:04:31 2007 From: joe at calagaz.com (Joe Calagaz) Date: Fri May 11 14:04:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Salary employee - vacation pay Message-ID: I think it depends on how it is "accrued" I had a similar situation. One day after the employees year anniversary they asked to take their vacation(I terminated them because of poor job performance the same week) I paid the vacation, but this guy wanted severance pay as well.....he did not get that. Our policy is that after one year they get one week and after two years they get two week. Under normal circumstance we do not pay for unused vacation....that is not to say that we do not make exceptions for good long time employees that are leaving under good conditions. I have a real problem paying it to some one I have fired. If you look at the way military does it, you earn 2.5 days for each month....not 30 days a year. Joe Calagaz Calagaz Digital Printing Mobile, AL 36606 251-478-0487 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of dana Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 12:49 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Salary employee - vacation pay ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Don't know if it is state or Federal law. In MA this would have to be paid, no choice. Dana Wilson Landmark Impressions 35 Industrial Parkway Woburn, MA 01801 Phone: 781-569-0297 Fax: 781-569-0419 cell: 781-710-7609 www.landmarkimpressions.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Carisa Holmes-Peters Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 1:35 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Salary employee - vacation pay ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have a salary employee that is going to be leaving us. A one week earned vacation was never taken. I have not had this situation come up with a salary person before....do you pay for those 5 days not taken? Thanks! Carisa Carisa Holmes-Peters Administrative Office Manager HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com http://www.holmesprinting.com/ ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! POSTERS, BANNERS, INDOOR/OUTDOOR AND MORE - CALL TODAY! ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Fri May 11 14:08:00 2007 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Wendt) Date: Fri May 11 14:08:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Salary employee - vacation pay In-Reply-To: <420FD46F-DF41-4F88-BBF7-98BB82FA1751@holmesprinting.com> Message-ID: On 5/11/07 12:34 PM, "Carisa Holmes-Peters" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have a salary employee that is going to be leaving us. A one week > earned vacation was never taken. I have not had this situation come > up with a salary person before....do you pay for those 5 days not taken? Do you have an employee manual that addresses vacation? If you do, you should abide by that even if State law doesn't force you to pay it. In Nebraska, we don't even have to offer vacation, much less pay it if someone leaves, however, my manual states that an employee gets paid for any "accrued" vacation if proper notice is given. We changed our vacation policy to have it accrue over the year to avoid having someone quit early in the year and feel entitled to two weeks paid vacation. An employee can take vacation that has not accrued, but cannot be paid for it if they quit. Obviously they can take it then quit, which wouldn't make me happy, but can't do much about that. For what it's worth, Cyndy -- Cyndy Wendt President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 From carisa at holmesprinting.com Fri May 11 14:14:02 2007 From: carisa at holmesprinting.com (Carisa Holmes-Peters) Date: Fri May 11 14:14:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Salary employee - vacation pay In-Reply-To: <20070511175640.DE66483AA1D@rb.enter.net> References: <20070511175640.DE66483AA1D@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: I have paid unused vacation before when I let an hourly employee go, however this person is salary and he is leaving voluntarily. He took a few days off that obviously were paid since he is salary, but he did not technically call them "vacation". He is not expecting the pay anyway...I just wanted to see what others take was. I am just not so sure it must be paid. Thanks! Carisa On May 11, 2007, at 1:56 PM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 12:51:27 -0500 > From: "Charlene Sims" > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Salary employee - vacation pay > To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > > Message-ID: <01e901c793f5$004aef50$0b01a8c0@CharXP> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Yes pay them. It is not worth the money fighting over. > ch > > Charlene Sims > > The Master's Press, Inc > 14550 Midway Road > Dallas, Tx 75244 > 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 > char@themasterspress.com > www.themasterspress.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Carisa > Holmes-Peters > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 12:35 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Salary employee - vacation pay > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have a salary employee that is going to be leaving us. A one week > earned vacation was never taken. I have not had this situation come > up with a salary person before....do you pay for those 5 days not > taken? > > Thanks! > Carisa > > Carisa Holmes-Peters Administrative Office Manager HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com http://www.holmesprinting.com/ ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! POSTERS, BANNERS, INDOOR/OUTDOOR AND MORE - CALL TODAY! ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** From acepm2 at gmail.com Fri May 11 14:39:22 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Fri May 11 14:39:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Salary employee - vacation pay In-Reply-To: <420FD46F-DF41-4F88-BBF7-98BB82FA1751@holmesprinting.com> References: <20070511160003.BC18783A399@rb.enter.net> <420FD46F-DF41-4F88-BBF7-98BB82FA1751@holmesprinting.com> Message-ID: Honestly, just pay it. It will be cheaper for you in the long run should this employee decide to fight you for it. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing On 5/11/07, Carisa Holmes-Peters wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have a salary employee that is going to be leaving us. A one week > earned vacation was never taken. I have not had this situation come > up with a salary person before....do you pay for those 5 days not taken? > > Thanks! > Carisa > > > > Carisa Holmes-Peters > Administrative Office Manager > HOLMES Printing > 401 E. Columbia Street > Springfield, OH 45503 > Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 > Fax (937) 322-1601 > carisa@holmesprinting.com > http://www.holmesprinting.com/ > > ************************************************************************ > *************************************************************** > WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! POSTERS, BANNERS, INDOOR/OUTDOOR AND > MORE - CALL TODAY! > ************************************************************************ > *************************************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From championprinting at yahoo.com Fri May 11 14:43:49 2007 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Fri May 11 14:43:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Salary employee - vacation pay Message-ID: <63874.29193.qm@web38913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Absolutely, just like you would pay any other obligation. The key wording some may have missed is that you have established it has been earned. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Carisa Holmes-Peters To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 1:34:56 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Salary employee - vacation pay ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have a salary employee that is going to be leaving us. A one week earned vacation was never taken. I have not had this situation come up with a salary person before....do you pay for those 5 days not taken? Thanks! Carisa Carisa Holmes-Peters Administrative Office Manager HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com http://www.holmesprinting.com/ From ncgill at gillprintandgraphics.com Fri May 11 13:48:37 2007 From: ncgill at gillprintandgraphics.com (ncgill@gillprintandgraphics.com) Date: Fri May 11 14:46:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Salary employee - vacation pay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003401c793f4$9b869420$6309a8c0@MINIME> I agree. We spent $15,000.00 and 5 years over the samething 25 years ago. Not worth it. Just pay it and move on. Best thing. Nancy Gill GillPrint and Graphics 2310 Park Place Drive Gretna, Louisiana 70056 (504) 392-9600 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Thom Gulyas Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 2:39 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Salary employee - vacation pay ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Honestly, just pay it. It will be cheaper for you in the long run should this employee decide to fight you for it. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing On 5/11/07, Carisa Holmes-Peters wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have a salary employee that is going to be leaving us. A one week > earned vacation was never taken. I have not had this situation come > up with a salary person before....do you pay for those 5 days not taken? > > Thanks! > Carisa > > > > Carisa Holmes-Peters > Administrative Office Manager > HOLMES Printing > 401 E. Columbia Street > Springfield, OH 45503 > Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 > Fax (937) 322-1601 > carisa@holmesprinting.com > http://www.holmesprinting.com/ > > ************************************************************************ > *************************************************************** > WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! POSTERS, BANNERS, INDOOR/OUTDOOR AND > MORE - CALL TODAY! > ************************************************************************ > *************************************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.8/797 - Release Date: 5/10/2007 5:10 PM From championprinting at yahoo.com Fri May 11 15:03:43 2007 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Fri May 11 15:03:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Salary employee - vacation pay Message-ID: <738543.30633.qm@web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Pay all earned vacation. The circumstances of the departure are not relevant. It is your prerogative to give days off with pay. You don't have to, but it appears you did. I don't expect salaried employees to work more that the hours expected with out additional compensation. All of our salaried employees are required to utilize our time clock so I can track their hours. It is your choice, not the employee's to decide whether paid days off are vacation or not. Were they? Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Carisa Holmes-Peters To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 2:14:02 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Salary employee - vacation pay ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have paid unused vacation before when I let an hourly employee go, however this person is salary and he is leaving voluntarily. He took a few days off that obviously were paid since he is salary, but he did not technically call them "vacation". He is not expecting the pay anyway...I just wanted to see what others take was. I am just not so sure it must be paid. Thanks! Carisa On May 11, 2007, at 1:56 PM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 12:51:27 -0500 > From: "Charlene Sims" > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Salary employee - vacation pay > To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > > Message-ID: <01e901c793f5$004aef50$0b01a8c0@CharXP> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Yes pay them. It is not worth the money fighting over. > ch > > Charlene Sims > > The Master's Press, Inc > 14550 Midway Road > Dallas, Tx 75244 > 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 > char@themasterspress.com > www.themasterspress.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Carisa > Holmes-Peters > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 12:35 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Salary employee - vacation pay > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have a salary employee that is going to be leaving us. A one week > earned vacation was never taken. I have not had this situation come > up with a salary person before....do you pay for those 5 days not > taken? > > Thanks! > Carisa > > Carisa Holmes-Peters Administrative Office Manager HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com http://www.holmesprinting.com/ ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! POSTERS, BANNERS, INDOOR/OUTDOOR AND MORE - CALL TODAY! ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Fri May 11 15:45:47 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri May 11 15:47:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Salary employee - vacation pay References: <63874.29193.qm@web38913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00c001c79404$f905b7b0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> > Absolutely, just like you would pay any other obligation. The key wording > some may have missed is that you have established it has been earned. ============== I'm not aware of any Washington State law that says you have to pay vacation. It is something you give to employees to keep them happy and still working for you. What would be the point of paying someone who has quit or been fired? My last job, the policy was vacation had to be used within a year or you would loose it. There was no getting paid for it. You did not earn so many day or hours per so many worked or anything like that. According to our policy manual it's the same here. Now my wife, who works for the state, has very specific rules about how much vacation time accrues and how much sick leave and how much retirement benefits. It is an earned benefit in that case and is due and payable if you leave state employment. Large corporations have different rules. Maybe union contracts that spell these things out. Employees often have unusual ideas about how it all works. Pays to have it spelled out in your policy manual. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From dominick at fmtc.com Fri May 11 16:02:53 2007 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominicks Printing) Date: Fri May 11 16:04:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Unknown territory Message-ID: <4644CBED.3010902@fmtc.com> My hard drive on my one and only PC is almost dead. But the machine is only 2 years old, so no need to replace. So I bought a nice HD with 16megs of Cache, 7200 rpm, so should be ok. Reading the install instructions, it is sooooo different than a real computer (Mac) (now don't start!) Can anybody explain in plain language, an easy way to do this? I simply want to disconnect the old drive, install the new one, and start installing Windows XP pro, and then rebuild all my programs. I know how many hours the programs will be, but the instructions for the HD seem like quite a process. Like "open the Bios? (insert a blank stare here...) Thanks for the replies, PC Dummy Joe Dominick Dominick's Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541-881-1121 541-881-1155 fax 541-881-1599 http://www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com NEW! We are Ontario's ONLY Adobe Authorized Service Provider Microsoft Publisher File Welcome Here! Total Quality Printing using the Technology of Today! "Your InkJet Printer - 89 cents; Our Laser Prints - 50 cents; any questions?" From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri May 11 16:11:44 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri May 11 16:11:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Unknown territory In-Reply-To: <4644CBED.3010902@fmtc.com> References: <4644CBED.3010902@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <200705112011.l4BKBg0H062205@i2bnetworks.com> If no one else volunteers, call me after 3:30 S. At 01:02 PM 5/11/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >My hard drive on my one and only PC is almost dead. But the machine >is only 2 years old, so no need to replace. So I bought a nice HD >with 16megs of Cache, 7200 rpm, so should be ok. > >Reading the install instructions, it is sooooo different than a real >computer (Mac) (now don't start!) > >Can anybody explain in plain language, an easy way to do this? I >simply want to disconnect the old drive, install the new one, and >start installing Windows XP pro, and then rebuild all my programs. > >I know how many hours the programs will be, but the instructions for >the HD seem like quite a process. Like "open the Bios? (insert a >blank stare here...) > >Thanks for the replies, > >PC Dummy > >Joe Dominick >Dominick's Printing >542 W. Idaho Avenue >Ontario Oregon 97914 >541-881-1121 >541-881-1155 >fax 541-881-1599 > >http://www.dominicksprinting.com >dominick@fmtc.com > >NEW! We are Ontario's ONLY Adobe Authorized Service Provider >Microsoft Publisher File Welcome Here! > >Total Quality Printing using the Technology of Today! > >"Your InkJet Printer - 89 cents; Our Laser Prints - 50 cents; any questions?" > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2260 (20070511) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From ahavens at sbcglobal.net Fri May 11 16:21:10 2007 From: ahavens at sbcglobal.net (Havens Printing and Copy Shop) Date: Fri May 11 16:21:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Print production to broker of printing References: Message-ID: <005e01c79409$ead54390$1a01a8c0@Leah> I did. Questions? Shoot! Wouldn't turn back. Austin Havens ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Grogan" To: "PRINTSMITH" Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 11:57 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Print production to broker of printing > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does anyone know of someone who has gone from producing printing in > house to a print broker? > Timothy T. Grogan > President. > tgrogan@wilmotprint.com > "Have I asked you to buy some printing today?" > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Fri May 11 16:42:19 2007 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Fri May 11 16:48:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Unknown territory In-Reply-To: <4644CBED.3010902@fmtc.com> References: <4644CBED.3010902@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <4644D52B.8090304@sugarloafprint.com> Dominicks Printing wrote: > > Can anybody explain in plain language, an easy way to do this? I > simply want to disconnect the old drive, install the new one, and > start installing Windows XP pro, and then rebuild all my programs. > Basically all you need to do is install the new hard drive. Then boot from the WinXP CD. During the installation you will be asked to format the drive. If the computer came with a cd with all the drivers, you are in luck. I've been using Acronis True Image to make complete harddrive images. It works well. The image is compressed to about 30-40% of it's original size and takes about 30-60 minutes back up or restore to a new harddrive. I can fit 3 harddrive images on a 250gig external USB drive. I think the program was about $50 and the external drive about $80. -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From brianoday at eprint.us Fri May 11 18:35:40 2007 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Fri May 11 18:35:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Is there a way to teach guys to talk more In-Reply-To: <84f70d5e0705110706o1c94866dgd5a62a3b7471dda@mail.gmail.com> References: <84f70d5e0705110706o1c94866dgd5a62a3b7471dda@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004601c7941c$b46fcf10$6701a8c0@Brian> SO it is Friday and I have a better question. Is there any way to make girls talk less? Brian O'Day ePrint Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Walt Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 7:07 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Is there a way to teach guys to talk more ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On 5/11/07, larry wrote: > As for CSR's....never hire a male CSR. Giant mistake. Ask anyone. Your average guy > is limited to 60 seconds of comprehension on the phone, max. Hey, that's not a slam, > it a proven scientific fact. Source? Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA 800-955-3902 http://mercersburg.net -~ Only the mediocre are always at their best. -- Jean Giraudoux _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From homedespot1 at yahoo.com Fri May 11 18:44:36 2007 From: homedespot1 at yahoo.com (Jen Adelman) Date: Fri May 11 18:44:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Is there a way to teach guys to talk more In-Reply-To: <004601c7941c$b46fcf10$6701a8c0@Brian> Message-ID: <988147.88577.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Nope. --- Brian O'Day wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > SO it is Friday and I have a better question. Is > there any way to make girls > talk less? > > Brian O'Day > ePrint > Portland, Oregon > brianoday@eprint.us > 503-684-2679 > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf > Of Walt > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 7:07 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners > Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Is there a way to teach > guys to talk more > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On 5/11/07, larry wrote: > > > As for CSR's....never hire a male CSR. Giant > mistake. Ask anyone. Your > average guy > > is limited to 60 seconds of comprehension on the > phone, max. Hey, that's > not a slam, > > it a proven scientific fact. > > Source? > > > Walt > > > Mercersburg Printing > Mercersburg, PA > 800-955-3902 > http://mercersburg.net > > -~ > > Only the mediocre are always at their best. > -- Jean > Giraudoux > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Art, like morality, consists of drawing the line somewhere -G.K. Chesterton ____________________________________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php From dstorrar at hrcommunications.ca Fri May 11 19:05:21 2007 From: dstorrar at hrcommunications.ca (Dan Storrar) Date: Fri May 11 19:06:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Is there a way to teach guys to talk more References: <988147.88577.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00f401c79420$dd6cfc40$6601a8c0@DAN> Buy them a Porsche? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jen Adelman" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 6:44 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Is there a way to teach guys to talk more > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Nope. > > > --- Brian O'Day wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> SO it is Friday and I have a better question. Is >> there any way to make girls >> talk less? >> >> Brian O'Day >> ePrint >> Portland, Oregon >> brianoday@eprint.us >> 503-684-2679 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf >> Of Walt >> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 7:07 AM >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners >> Only >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Is there a way to teach >> guys to talk more >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> On 5/11/07, larry wrote: >> >> > As for CSR's....never hire a male CSR. Giant >> mistake. Ask anyone. Your >> average guy >> > is limited to 60 seconds of comprehension on the >> phone, max. Hey, that's >> not a slam, >> > it a proven scientific fact. >> >> Source? >> >> >> Walt >> >> >> Mercersburg Printing >> Mercersburg, PA >> 800-955-3902 >> http://mercersburg.net >> >> -~ >> >> Only the mediocre are always at their best. >> -- Jean >> Giraudoux >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: >> http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: >> http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > > Art, like morality, consists of drawing the line somewhere -G.K. > Chesterton > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > The fish are biting. > Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. > http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From dcarlile at printfresno.com Fri May 11 19:07:58 2007 From: dcarlile at printfresno.com (Doug Carlile) Date: Fri May 11 19:10:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon iR105 Message-ID: <20070511231008.87DE783BE84@rb.enter.net> We are running a Canon iR105 that is now about 4 years old with 14,000,000 impressions. We are experiencing a increasing need for service to maintain the quality. I would like to know the experiences of others who have 105's and at what impression count did they feel it necessary to replace the unit. Thanks, Doug Carlile President Professional Print & Mail, Inc. 2818 E. Hamilton Ave. Fresno, CA 93721 800/654-7468 559/237-7468 fax: 559/237-4929 email: dcarlile@printfresno.com From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri May 11 19:30:17 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri May 11 19:30:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Is there a way to teach guys to talk more In-Reply-To: <004601c7941c$b46fcf10$6701a8c0@Brian> References: <84f70d5e0705110706o1c94866dgd5a62a3b7471dda@mail.gmail.com> <004601c7941c$b46fcf10$6701a8c0@Brian> Message-ID: <200705112330.l4BNUFMP092079@i2bnetworks.com> Not in this universe.... or the next one over either. S. At 03:35 PM 5/11/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >SO it is Friday and I have a better question. Is there any way to make girls >talk less? > >Brian O'Day >ePrint >Portland, Oregon >brianoday@eprint.us >503-684-2679 > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Walt >Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 7:07 AM >To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Is there a way to teach guys to talk more > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >On 5/11/07, larry wrote: > > > As for CSR's....never hire a male CSR. Giant mistake. Ask anyone. Your >average guy > > is limited to 60 seconds of comprehension on the phone, max. Hey, that's >not a slam, > > it a proven scientific fact. > >Source? > > >Walt > > >Mercersburg Printing >Mercersburg, PA >800-955-3902 >http://mercersburg.net > >-~ > > Only the mediocre are always at their best. > -- Jean Giraudoux >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2261 (20070511) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From cpurvine1 at cox.net Fri May 11 19:35:30 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Fri May 11 19:35:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Is there a way to teach guys to talk more In-Reply-To: <200705112330.l4BNUFMP092079@i2bnetworks.com> References: <84f70d5e0705110706o1c94866dgd5a62a3b7471dda@mail.gmail.com><004601c7941c$b46fcf10$6701a8c0@Brian> <200705112330.l4BNUFMP092079@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <005401c79425$1037ed70$0200a8c0@corapurvine> You ought to be glad we talk more. We get more details. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 6:30 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Is there a way to teach guys to talk more ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Not in this universe.... or the next one over either. S. At 03:35 PM 5/11/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >SO it is Friday and I have a better question. Is there any way to make >girls talk less? > >Brian O'Day >ePrint >Portland, Oregon >brianoday@eprint.us >503-684-2679 > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Walt >Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 7:07 AM >To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Is there a way to teach guys to talk more > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >On 5/11/07, larry wrote: > > > As for CSR's....never hire a male CSR. Giant mistake. Ask anyone. > > Your >average guy > > is limited to 60 seconds of comprehension on the phone, max. Hey, > > that's >not a slam, > > it a proven scientific fact. > >Source? > > >Walt > > >Mercersburg Printing >Mercersburg, PA >800-955-3902 >http://mercersburg.net > >-~ > > Only the mediocre are always at their best. > -- Jean Giraudoux >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2261 (20070511) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2261 (20070511) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From greg at ajprinting.com Fri May 11 19:53:23 2007 From: greg at ajprinting.com (Greg Johnston) Date: Fri May 11 19:53:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Is there a way to teach guys to talk more In-Reply-To: <200705112330.l4BNUFMP092079@i2bnetworks.com> References: <84f70d5e0705110706o1c94866dgd5a62a3b7471dda@mail.gmail.com> <004601c7941c$b46fcf10$6701a8c0@Brian> <200705112330.l4BNUFMP092079@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070511165042.034634c8@ajprinting.com> Reminds me of a cartoon (Visualize this now) Husband and wife driving in car (let's assume it's a Porsche) down the road and wife has a muffler sticking out of her mouth. Husband says," WOW, that new muffler sure quieted down the car didn't it honey???" At 04:30 PM 5/11/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >Not in this universe.... > >or the next one over either. > >S. > > >At 03:35 PM 5/11/2007, you wrote: >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>SO it is Friday and I have a better question. Is there any way to make girls >>talk less? >> >>Brian O'Day >>ePrint >>Portland, Oregon >>brianoday@eprint.us >>503-684-2679 >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >>[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Walt >>Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 7:07 AM >>To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >>Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Is there a way to teach guys to talk more >> >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>On 5/11/07, larry wrote: >> >> > As for CSR's....never hire a male CSR. Giant mistake. Ask anyone. Your >>average guy >> > is limited to 60 seconds of comprehension on the phone, max. Hey, that's >>not a slam, >> > it a proven scientific fact. >> >>Source? >> >> >>Walt >> >> >>Mercersburg Printing >>Mercersburg, PA >>800-955-3902 >>http://mercersburg.net >> >>-~ >> >> Only the mediocre are always at their best. >> -- Jean Giraudoux >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >>__________ NOD32 2261 (20070511) Information __________ >> >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>http://www.eset.com > >Scott Cappel >Sorrento Mesa Printing >7398 Trade Street >San Diego, CA 92121-2422 >858-527-0800 >858-527-1740 FAX >http://www.sorrentomesa.com > >Direct Links for Learning: >http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html >http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html >http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > >Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider >Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider >Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level >Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > >Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners Greg Johnston AJ Printing & Graphics 1350 Central Ave #1 Santa Rosa CA 95401 707.525.8600 Fax 707.525.8923 www.ajprinting.com e-mail: greg@ajprinting.com 2005 Gallery of Superb Printing "Best of Show" award for the "Sights of Sonoma County" calendar Authorized Adobe Service Provider Quark Authorized Output Provider From lbaribeau at paragon-print.com Sat May 12 06:44:36 2007 From: lbaribeau at paragon-print.com (Linda Baribeau) Date: Sat May 12 06:41:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Salary employee - vacation pay References: <20070511160003.BC18783A399@rb.enter.net> <420FD46F-DF41-4F88-BBF7-98BB82FA1751@holmesprinting.com> Message-ID: <000b01c79482$89cd7030$042967d3@kp4> Our policy is paid vacation is paid based on number of days worked based on anniversary date to anniversary date. In other words if employee is entitled to 10 days but has not reached another yearly anniversary date of hire, it will be prorated if he/she is leaving before the anniversary date of hire. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carisa Holmes-Peters" To: Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 12:34 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Salary employee - vacation pay > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have a salary employee that is going to be leaving us. A one week > earned vacation was never taken. I have not had this situation come > up with a salary person before....do you pay for those 5 days not taken? > > Thanks! > Carisa > > > > Carisa Holmes-Peters > Administrative Office Manager > HOLMES Printing > 401 E. Columbia Street > Springfield, OH 45503 > Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 > Fax (937) 322-1601 > carisa@holmesprinting.com > http://www.holmesprinting.com/ > > ************************************************************************ > *************************************************************** > WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! POSTERS, BANNERS, INDOOR/OUTDOOR AND > MORE - CALL TODAY! > ************************************************************************ > *************************************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From john at foxprinting.biz Mon May 14 09:08:23 2007 From: john at foxprinting.biz (john@foxprinting.biz) Date: Mon May 14 09:11:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon iR105 In-Reply-To: <20070511231008.87DE783BE84@rb.enter.net> References: <20070511231008.87DE783BE84@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <1f50171364c593109b8c2eb75a613643@foxprinting.biz> We have an IR105 with 10,500,000 clicks. We are reasonably happy with its performance, with the exception of the reproduction of screens. The service crew used to be able to resolve this problem, but now seem less able to get it to a place that is acceptable. Our experience with this machine is that somewhere after 8 million impressions service became slightly more intensive and after 9 million the screen issue became more and more difficult to resolve. We think highly of the local canon service, so we are looking at the IR7105 and 7095 as replacements . We will also look at xerox. John John Schroeder Fox Printing 802-658-9196 john@foxprinting.biz On May 11, 2007, at 7:07 PM, Doug Carlile wrote: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are running a Canon iR105 that is now about 4 years old with 14,000,000 impressions. We are experiencing a increasing need for service to maintain the quality. I would like to know the experiences of others who have 105's and at what impression count did they feel it necessary to replace the unit. From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Mon May 14 09:30:50 2007 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Mon May 14 09:28:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon iR105 In-Reply-To: <20070511231008.87DE783BE84@rb.enter.net> References: <20070511231008.87DE783BE84@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <27B35C34-188C-445F-90A0-AF51B611530E@bellsouth.net> Our is about 5 months older than yours. We have over 18 million impressions. As long as they replace parts as needed, we have up time similar to when it was new. However, there will be cycles of 2-3 weeks periodically that more service is needed for awhile. And then it typically eases off for awhile.... Hope this helps. Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On May 11, 2007, at 7:07 PM, Doug Carlile wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are running a Canon iR105 that is now about 4 years old with > 14,000,000 impressions. We are experiencing a increasing need for > service to maintain the quality. > > I would like to know the experiences of others who have 105's and > at what impression count did they feel it necessary to replace the > unit. > > Thanks, > > Doug Carlile > President > Professional Print & Mail, Inc. > 2818 E. Hamilton Ave. > Fresno, CA 93721 > 800/654-7468 > 559/237-7468 > fax: 559/237-4929 > email: dcarlile@printfresno.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From tufelkinder at gmail.com Mon May 14 10:05:03 2007 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Mon May 14 10:05:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] deleted email... Message-ID: <84f70d5e0705140705s309324b5je9abb6dee6af4e99@mail.gmail.com> Someone from the list just emailed me and I just accidentally deleted the message. Could you please email me again? Sorry for the inconvenience and extra email. Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA 800-955-3902 http://mercersbrug.net -~ Only the mediocre are always at their best. -- Jean Giraudoux From k_graham at hotmail.com Mon May 14 11:06:12 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Mon May 14 11:06:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon iR105 References: <20070511231008.87DE783BE84@rb.enter.net> <1f50171364c593109b8c2eb75a613643@foxprinting.biz> Message-ID: > We have an IR105 with 10,500,000 clicks. We are reasonably happy with > its performance, with the exception of the reproduction of screens. > The service crew used to be able to resolve this problem, but now seem > less able to get it to a place that is acceptable. > > Our experience with this machine is that somewhere after 8 million > impressions service became slightly more intensive and after 9 million > the screen issue became more and more difficult to resolve. Just to prove to yourself the Canon dealer is doing his job why don't you go into the meter reading areas with him. http://groups.google.com/group/ColorCopier/msg/7b45b3c0616d1490 Our Ikon serviced machine had up to 390% past due on parts. http://groups.google.com/group/ColorCopier/msg/fce4c016b2a334e9 I asked the serviceman, now retired why he let the machine go like that. His 1st answer was that it was great they could go so far between parts replacement, his 2nd answer- Ikon doesn't pay bonuses to technicians using too many parts. I've had more than one tell me their copier service is the same, its not exclusively an Ikon problem. Do you dare post pictures of your meter readings? Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika From dennisdater at sbcglobal.net Mon May 14 11:11:23 2007 From: dennisdater at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Dater) Date: Mon May 14 11:11:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon iR105 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070514151134.75EFC845799@rb.enter.net> Does anyone have the instructions to access the codes on other Canon products, such as 8500 and 3200's. Thanks, Dennis Dater Allegra Print & Imaging 8037 Vickers Street San Diego, CA 92111 858-576-0100 or 619-696-6290 www.allegrasandiego.com dennisdater@sbcglobal.net -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of k_graham@hotmail.com Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 8:06 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Canon iR105 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > We have an IR105 with 10,500,000 clicks. We are reasonably happy with > its performance, with the exception of the reproduction of screens. > The service crew used to be able to resolve this problem, but now seem > less able to get it to a place that is acceptable. > > Our experience with this machine is that somewhere after 8 million > impressions service became slightly more intensive and after 9 million > the screen issue became more and more difficult to resolve. Just to prove to yourself the Canon dealer is doing his job why don't you go into the meter reading areas with him. http://groups.google.com/group/ColorCopier/msg/7b45b3c0616d1490 Our Ikon serviced machine had up to 390% past due on parts. http://groups.google.com/group/ColorCopier/msg/fce4c016b2a334e9 I asked the serviceman, now retired why he let the machine go like that. His 1st answer was that it was great they could go so far between parts replacement, his 2nd answer- Ikon doesn't pay bonuses to technicians using too many parts. I've had more than one tell me their copier service is the same, its not exclusively an Ikon problem. Do you dare post pictures of your meter readings? Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.0/803 - Release Date: 5/13/2007 12:17 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.0/803 - Release Date: 5/13/2007 12:17 PM From sos at olympus.net Mon May 14 12:42:25 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon May 14 12:44:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What the . . . References: Message-ID: <008d01c79646$da797ae0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> My graphic designer, was told by a friend to check our competitor's web site. She used to work there. It is filled with designs that she did before she worked there. They are things that were in her design portfolio, she did them when she worked at an advertising agency in Seattle. Also they had a picture of a former employee among them. She quit several months ago and bought her own business. This is very typical of his business ethics. Lying, conniving, scheming. . . And there is no reason for it. As Virginia said, I designed some beautiful pieces while I worked there, which he is perfectly entitled to use, why steal things from my portfolio? Three of my best employees are former employees of his who just couldn't stand working for the jerk. Yet customers never seem to catch on. So my question is, I don't know, when the hell is karma going to kick in here? I guess. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From championprinting at yahoo.com Mon May 14 12:59:25 2007 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Mon May 14 12:59:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What the . . . Message-ID: <556410.97687.qm@web38914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I suspect it has and you're not aware of it. I doesn't necessarily manifest itself in its place of origin. Possibly, your customers are learning a lesson about your value from a competitor. Some of ours certainly have. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Dan Huntingford To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 12:42:25 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] What the . . . ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** My graphic designer, was told by a friend to check our competitor's web site. She used to work there. It is filled with designs that she did before she worked there. They are things that were in her design portfolio, she did them when she worked at an advertising agency in Seattle. Also they had a picture of a former employee among them. She quit several months ago and bought her own business. This is very typical of his business ethics. Lying, conniving, scheming. . . And there is no reason for it. As Virginia said, I designed some beautiful pieces while I worked there, which he is perfectly entitled to use, why steal things from my portfolio? Three of my best employees are former employees of his who just couldn't stand working for the jerk. Yet customers never seem to catch on. So my question is, I don't know, when the hell is karma going to kick in here? I guess. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From swiftyprinting at mac.com Mon May 14 12:59:54 2007 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Mon May 14 12:59:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What the . . . In-Reply-To: <008d01c79646$da797ae0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <008d01c79646$da797ae0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: On May 14, 2007, at 12:42 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > So my question is, I don't know, when the hell is karma going to > kick in here? I guess. Those who seek Karma for Karma will never achieve Karma......those whose good deeds are not deeds at all but a way of life achieve karma without seeking it. Next lifetime.... Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com From brianoday at eprint.us Mon May 14 13:32:35 2007 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Mon May 14 13:32:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon iR105 In-Reply-To: <20070514151134.75EFC845799@rb.enter.net> References: <20070514151134.75EFC845799@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <006501c7964d$dcf32940$6b01a8c0@Brian> We just retired a 105 with 15,000,000 clicks on it. I have to say the local Cannon Service team really tried to keep this up but finally they couldn't resolve a reset error that kept coming up. I had just purchased a 7095 and Cannon helped me find a used unit to replace my bad one. It did cost a few thousand dollars however I am still happy with my machine cost. The way I figure it the machine cost after that many copies is .00233333 per click. I can live with that! The high mileage one left and so did my downtime! Brian O'Day ePrint Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Dater Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 8:11 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Canon iR105 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Does anyone have the instructions to access the codes on other Canon products, such as 8500 and 3200's. Thanks, Dennis Dater Allegra Print & Imaging 8037 Vickers Street San Diego, CA 92111 858-576-0100 or 619-696-6290 www.allegrasandiego.com dennisdater@sbcglobal.net -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of k_graham@hotmail.com Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 8:06 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Canon iR105 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > We have an IR105 with 10,500,000 clicks. We are reasonably happy with > its performance, with the exception of the reproduction of screens. > The service crew used to be able to resolve this problem, but now seem > less able to get it to a place that is acceptable. > > Our experience with this machine is that somewhere after 8 million > impressions service became slightly more intensive and after 9 million > the screen issue became more and more difficult to resolve. Just to prove to yourself the Canon dealer is doing his job why don't you go into the meter reading areas with him. http://groups.google.com/group/ColorCopier/msg/7b45b3c0616d1490 Our Ikon serviced machine had up to 390% past due on parts. http://groups.google.com/group/ColorCopier/msg/fce4c016b2a334e9 I asked the serviceman, now retired why he let the machine go like that. His 1st answer was that it was great they could go so far between parts replacement, his 2nd answer- Ikon doesn't pay bonuses to technicians using too many parts. I've had more than one tell me their copier service is the same, its not exclusively an Ikon problem. Do you dare post pictures of your meter readings? Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.0/803 - Release Date: 5/13/2007 12:17 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.0/803 - Release Date: 5/13/2007 12:17 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From john at foxprinting.biz Mon May 14 13:48:15 2007 From: john at foxprinting.biz (john@foxprinting.biz) Date: Mon May 14 13:51:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon iR105 In-Reply-To: <006501c7964d$dcf32940$6b01a8c0@Brian> References: <20070514151134.75EFC845799@rb.enter.net> <006501c7964d$dcf32940$6b01a8c0@Brian> Message-ID: <95e96e9868e374cb2cee9fa581eba78d@foxprinting.biz> What is your opinion of the 7095? John Schroeder Fox Printing 802-658-9196 john@foxprinting.biz On May 14, 2007, at 1:32 PM, Brian O'Day wrote: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We just retired a 105 with 15,000,000 clicks on it. I have to say the local Cannon Service team really tried to keep this up but finally they couldn't resolve a reset error that kept coming up. I had just purchased a 7095 and Cannon helped me find a used unit to replace my bad one. It did cost a few thousand dollars however I am still happy with my machine cost. The way I figure it the machine cost after that many copies is .00233333 per click. I can live with that! The high mileage one left and so did my downtime! Brian O'Day ePrint Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 From jedwards at printzilla.net Mon May 14 13:55:40 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Mon May 14 13:57:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What the . . . In-Reply-To: References: <008d01c79646$da797ae0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <04B969F8-010C-4DA2-BE1B-DF42E09978B8@printzilla.net> On May 14, 2007, at 11:59 AM, Chuck wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > On May 14, 2007, at 12:42 PM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > >> So my question is, I don't know, when the hell is karma going to >> kick in here? I guess. > > > Those who seek Karma for Karma will never achieve Karma......those > whose good deeds are not deeds at all but a way of life achieve > karma without seeking it. > > > Next lifetime.... > That's where my problem lies. A guy wearing a wig at the LA airport told me that very same thing once. And I bought the book from him but never read it. Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas From brianoday at eprint.us Mon May 14 14:17:23 2007 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Mon May 14 14:17:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon iR105 In-Reply-To: <95e96e9868e374cb2cee9fa581eba78d@foxprinting.biz> References: <20070514151134.75EFC845799@rb.enter.net><006501c7964d$dcf32940$6b01a8c0@Brian> <95e96e9868e374cb2cee9fa581eba78d@foxprinting.biz> Message-ID: <007f01c79654$1f2339d0$6b01a8c0@Brian> We like it. It doesn't seem any slower than the 105 but cost a lot less. I was disappointed that it doesn't print any better than the 105. The sales folks said it would but after talking to a few techs (that's where the real truth comes from) they say is has the same imaging unit and there is no reason to think it should print better than the 105. They do say it has some enhancements that should make it last longer. We have close to two million impressions on our 7095 and it is doing quite well. Brian O'Day ePrint Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of john@foxprinting.biz Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 10:48 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Canon iR105 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** What is your opinion of the 7095? John Schroeder Fox Printing 802-658-9196 john@foxprinting.biz On May 14, 2007, at 1:32 PM, Brian O'Day wrote: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We just retired a 105 with 15,000,000 clicks on it. I have to say the local Cannon Service team really tried to keep this up but finally they couldn't resolve a reset error that kept coming up. I had just purchased a 7095 and Cannon helped me find a used unit to replace my bad one. It did cost a few thousand dollars however I am still happy with my machine cost. The way I figure it the machine cost after that many copies is .00233333 per click. I can live with that! The high mileage one left and so did my downtime! Brian O'Day ePrint Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mike at arborprinting.com Mon May 14 14:21:04 2007 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Mon May 14 14:23:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon iR105 References: <20070514151134.75EFC845799@rb.enter.net><006501c7964d$dcf32940$6b01a8c0@Brian><95e96e9868e374cb2cee9fa581eba78d@foxprinting.biz> <007f01c79654$1f2339d0$6b01a8c0@Brian> Message-ID: <010001c79654$a2e22f60$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> I don't know about the 105, but our 7095 prints far better than our 8500. 1200 x 1200 resolution, the halftones blow away our old 8500. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. www.arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian O'Day" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 1:17 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Canon iR105 > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We like it. It doesn't seem any slower than the 105 but cost a lot less. I > was disappointed that it doesn't print any better than the 105. The sales > folks said it would but after talking to a few techs (that's where the > real > truth comes from) they say is has the same imaging unit and there is no > reason to think it should print better than the 105. They do say it has > some > enhancements that should make it last longer. We have close to two million > impressions on our 7095 and it is doing quite well. > > Brian O'Day > ePrint > Portland, Oregon > brianoday@eprint.us > 503-684-2679 > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of > john@foxprinting.biz > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 10:48 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Canon iR105 > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > What is your opinion of the 7095? > > > > John Schroeder > Fox Printing > 802-658-9196 > john@foxprinting.biz > > > > > > On May 14, 2007, at 1:32 PM, Brian O'Day wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We just retired a 105 with 15,000,000 clicks on it. I have to say the > local > Cannon Service team really tried to keep this up but finally they > couldn't > resolve a reset error that kept coming up. I had just purchased a 7095 > and > Cannon helped me find a used unit to replace my bad one. It did cost a > few > thousand dollars however I am still happy with my machine cost. The way > I > figure it the machine cost after that many copies is .00233333 per > click. I > can live with that! The high mileage one left and so did my downtime! > > Brian O'Day > ePrint > Portland, Oregon > brianoday@eprint.us > 503-684-2679 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From goodway at goodwayprintcopy.com Mon May 14 16:21:09 2007 From: goodway at goodwayprintcopy.com (Goodway Print and Copy) Date: Mon May 14 16:21:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] help on pricing mail project Message-ID: <00a601c79665$694dfb10$660000c8@LeslieXP> Customer came in thurs am with: 1.10000 # 10 self seal envelopes(all different brands) labeled and stamped with 39 cents stamps 2.10000 # 10 self seal envelopes(not 9) labeled and stampled for return with forever Stamps( had to be folded and inserted) 3. 10000 variable data letters flat 4. 10000 reg letters 5. 3x5 small insert. How would you charge?? At least the envelopes and letters were alpha. Leslie McDonald GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC. 15121 Ventura Blvd. Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Phone:(818) 783-5172 Fax:(818)783-8649 goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com www.goodwayprintcopy.com From keli at parchmentpress.net Mon May 14 16:29:58 2007 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Mon May 14 16:30:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Special Hand Scrub soap in Pressroom Message-ID: <4648C6C6.4050105@parchmentpress.net> So what does everyone here use for specialty soap for removing ink and toner from hands? We are almost entirely digital now so if that skews any recommendations.... thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Parchment Press is a Cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes Communities - To learn more about our community and what we are all about - please feel free to email me off list or visit our website at : http://www.twelvetribes.com From mike at arborprinting.com Mon May 14 16:42:30 2007 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Mon May 14 16:45:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] BBB References: <20070514151134.75EFC845799@rb.enter.net><006501c7964d$dcf32940$6b01a8c0@Brian><95e96e9868e374cb2cee9fa581eba78d@foxprinting.biz> <007f01c79654$1f2339d0$6b01a8c0@Brian> Message-ID: <014001c79668$64c8e0c0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> How many of you are members of the Better business Bureau? Is it worth the $475.00? Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. www.arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian O'Day" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 1:17 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Canon iR105 > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We like it. It doesn't seem any slower than the 105 but cost a lot less. I > was disappointed that it doesn't print any better than the 105. The sales > folks said it would but after talking to a few techs (that's where the > real > truth comes from) they say is has the same imaging unit and there is no > reason to think it should print better than the 105. They do say it has > some > enhancements that should make it last longer. We have close to two million > impressions on our 7095 and it is doing quite well. > > Brian O'Day > ePrint > Portland, Oregon > brianoday@eprint.us > 503-684-2679 > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of > john@foxprinting.biz > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 10:48 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Canon iR105 > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > What is your opinion of the 7095? > > > > John Schroeder > Fox Printing > 802-658-9196 > john@foxprinting.biz > > > > > > On May 14, 2007, at 1:32 PM, Brian O'Day wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We just retired a 105 with 15,000,000 clicks on it. I have to say the > local > Cannon Service team really tried to keep this up but finally they > couldn't > resolve a reset error that kept coming up. I had just purchased a 7095 > and > Cannon helped me find a used unit to replace my bad one. It did cost a > few > thousand dollars however I am still happy with my machine cost. The way > I > figure it the machine cost after that many copies is .00233333 per > click. I > can live with that! The high mileage one left and so did my downtime! > > Brian O'Day > ePrint > Portland, Oregon > brianoday@eprint.us > 503-684-2679 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon May 14 16:53:19 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon May 14 16:53:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] BBB In-Reply-To: <014001c79668$64c8e0c0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> References: <20070514151134.75EFC845799@rb.enter.net> <006501c7964d$dcf32940$6b01a8c0@Brian> <95e96e9868e374cb2cee9fa581eba78d@foxprinting.biz> <007f01c79654$1f2339d0$6b01a8c0@Brian> <014001c79668$64c8e0c0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0705141353x4cbb3f89mc6c0fe3b4d90f51d@mail.gmail.com> On 5/14/07, Mike@arborprinting.com wrote: How many of you are members of the Better business Bureau? Is it worth the $475.00? What benefit do they say you'll get from your $475 membership? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com =================================== If you can do a half-assed job of anything, you're a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind. ~ Kurt Vonnegut From craig at newhavenprint.com Mon May 14 16:54:13 2007 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Mon May 14 16:55:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] BBB In-Reply-To: <014001c79668$64c8e0c0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: <20070514205502.42CBC846913@rb.enter.net> We are, and yes I believe it is worth the investment. Of course we do about $20,000 worth of printing each year for our BBB, and we're a sponsor of the Torch Awards for Business Ethics luncheon, and the Communications Director is one of my best friends, and . . . . I know a lot of people on this list are very sour on the BBB. Same goes for being on the local Chamber of Commerce. I see both as just getting your name out in the community and confirming that you're a solid, stable business. Just my opinion. Your results may vary. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > How many of you are members of the Better business Bureau? Is > it worth the $475.00? > Thanks, > > > Michael Shuta > Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. > www.arborprinting.com > From info at huttotxprinting.com Mon May 14 17:18:59 2007 From: info at huttotxprinting.com (Hutto Printing) Date: Mon May 14 17:19:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Special Hand Scrub soap in Pressroom In-Reply-To: <4648C6C6.4050105@parchmentpress.net> References: <4648C6C6.4050105@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: "Super Tough Hand Scrub" I buy it from the paper company. Darrell Trammel Hutto Printing 512.846.1990 Order online at www.huttotxprinting.com !! Hutto Chamber of Commerce Member Authorized Adobe Solutions Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider On May 14, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Keli of Coxsackie wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > So what does everyone here use for specialty soap for removing ink and > toner from hands? > We are almost entirely digital now so if that skews any > recommendations.... > > thanks, > Michael Markuson (aka Keli) > Parchment Press > 52 S River St > Coxsackie, NY 12051 > > Parchment Press is a Cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes Communities > - To learn more about our community and what we are all about - please > feel free to email me off list or visit our website at : > http://www.twelvetribes.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com Mon May 14 17:53:10 2007 From: kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com (Kirk Squiers) Date: Mon May 14 18:07:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] deleted email... Message-ID: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B109D90C@fpserver.FP.local> Walt, It was me. I need a quote on 12500 regular #10 4/0. We do these twice a year and are fed up with turnaround time from Western States. Kirk K. Squiers Central Michigan Graphics 1200 E. Oakland Lansing, Michigan 48906 www.centralmichigangraphics.com 517-230-8600 kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Walt Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 10:05 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] [OFF] deleted email... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Someone from the list just emailed me and I just accidentally deleted the message. Could you please email me again? Sorry for the inconvenience and extra email. Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA 800-955-3902 http://mercersbrug.net -~ Only the mediocre are always at their best. -- Jean Giraudoux _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From brianoday at eprint.us Mon May 14 18:17:39 2007 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Mon May 14 18:17:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Chipboard inserter - wanted In-Reply-To: <64da7d2b5e191004af823c0887a314d7@sheergraphics.com> References: <64da7d2b5e191004af823c0887a314d7@sheergraphics.com> Message-ID: <00b501c79675$af393350$6b01a8c0@Brian> We insert chip on the folder. On our stall we can have it pause every nth sheet and put a chip on top. Seems to work well on 11 x 17 sheets. Brian O'Day ePrint Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Simon Sheers Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 11:37 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Chipboard inserter - wanted ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Does anybody know who makes a chipboard inserter for small sheet fed presses? I spoke with Mike Murray, President/CEO, Brackett (800) 255-3506 and was told that Flikur Model FIM-1 chipboard inserter is no longer manufactured. No luck on Ebay and I can only find web-to-sheet inserters on Google. We tape insert every 10 sheets on press and then manually insert 11" x 17" chip. It's very labor intensive! Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From k_graham at hotmail.com Mon May 14 19:56:53 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Mon May 14 19:57:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon iR105 Service Technician Screens. References: <20070514151134.75EFC845799@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: > > Does anyone have the instructions to access the codes on other Canon > products, such as 8500 and 3200's. > > Dennis Dater I was of the impression the instructions for IR models would do all IR models? Service Technicians have a maintenance Screen under the button marked with a * Pressing * 28 * should bring up a service maintenance window. under copier counter window is the following PRDC-1 DRBL-1 DRBL-2 Under those are percent wear settings for various components. Generally they should be under 100% though it is possible a longer lasting part may be available that lets them go higher and they may get over 100% before a problem occurs but once that happens the part should be replaced. I doubt anything should be over 200% wear, I leave it to Canon or Ikon to challenge that. Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika From slb at inkspot.net Mon May 14 22:02:00 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon May 14 22:02:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] help on pricing mail project In-Reply-To: <00a601c79665$694dfb10$660000c8@LeslieXP> Message-ID: <4648DC58.22857.3A794426@slb.inkspot.net> Personally, I'd fold the letters, farm out the handwork to our local sheltered workshop, and mark up their price for the handwork piece. If I had to do it in our shop, I'd time a sample of the handwork, and assume we'd get a percentage of that speed over time (I used to use 65-70% of "concentrated" productivity to get a "realistic" estimate of pieces per hour). Then, I'd extrapolate to the total time for the job, and apply whatever hourly rate seemed appropriate. Our predecessors billed bindery handwork at a lower rate than other shop work, but, since it's the same people doing handwork instead of something more productive, I tend to bill an hourly rate that accounts for that. YMMV, Steve > > Customer came in thurs am with: > 1.10000 # 10 self seal envelopes(all different brands) labeled and stamped > with 39 cents stamps > 2.10000 # 10 self seal envelopes(not 9) labeled and stampled for return with > forever > Stamps( had to be folded and inserted) > 3. 10000 variable data letters flat > 4. 10000 reg letters > 5. 3x5 small insert. > > How would you charge?? At least the envelopes and letters were alpha. > > > > Leslie McDonald > GOODWAY PRINT & COPY INC. > 15121 Ventura Blvd. > Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 > Phone:(818) 783-5172 > Fax:(818)783-8649 > goodway@goodwayprintcopy.com > www.goodwayprintcopy.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2266 (20070514) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From dominick at fmtc.com Tue May 15 00:00:56 2007 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Joe Dominick) Date: Mon May 14 23:04:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] C6500 Message-ID: <5d679e93ba6ff71da993ebfca32eb689@fmtc.com> "The C6500 has left the building!" 2 weeks and 20,000 color clicks and 7000 black clicks later, the "demo" was removed. As we assess the values/weakness of the machine, I have to also think what kind of money it made. From the simple 250 2-color business card ($65), to the medium quality letterhead (1000) tested on 8 different copiers/laser printers ($185) to the high end 12 pt C2S postcard samples (no sale) we are looking over our notes to see if they outweigh the down side. Some of those are - poor off the glass copies - mainly photos; files dropping into cyberspace, never to print; very (did say very!) slow interface with the Mac; registration movement as much as 1/16th inch; and my designers favorite - not accepting matching paper commands - set the machine for 80gsm, and the computer for the same, and it will not print. Service quote was high at 6.5? per click color and 1? black, so in 2 weeks would have spent $1370. Using the list members comments at 4.5? would have made an additional $400. Really adds up fast. We could really tell the difference between a company that knows color (our Danka service) to a company that is just selling color (our KM company). If they would drop the machine price by $4000, and the clicks to 4.5, we might make the leap. Even with the quirks, I can see some money being made. Joe Dominick Dominick's Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541-881-1121 fax 541-881-1599 http://www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com NEW! We are Ontario's ONLY Adobe Authorized Service Provider Microsoft Publisher File Welcome Here! Total Quality Printing using the Technology of Today! From bcreighton at danielsprinting.us Mon May 14 23:20:18 2007 From: bcreighton at danielsprinting.us (Bill Creighton) Date: Mon May 14 23:20:46 2007 Subject: SPAM-LOW: [PrintOwners] C6500 In-Reply-To: <5d679e93ba6ff71da993ebfca32eb689@fmtc.com> References: <5d679e93ba6ff71da993ebfca32eb689@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <464926F2.8040209@danielsprinting.us> Joe: I too have had this machine in the radar. Larry Hunt reported in his latest newsletter that KM has abandoned the low click charge and will be up to where you report - can't remember exactly. They even changed their national contract pricing with NAQP. I guess they wanted more $$$. Larry could not understand their strategy. But I know you read that in his NL. Bill Joe Dominick wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > "The C6500 has left the building!" > > 2 weeks and 20,000 color clicks and 7000 black clicks later, the > "demo" was removed. As we assess the values/weakness of the machine, I > have to also think what kind of money it made. > > From the simple 250 2-color business card ($65), to the medium quality > letterhead (1000) tested on 8 different copiers/laser printers ($185) > to the high end 12 pt C2S postcard samples (no sale) we are looking > over our notes to see if they outweigh the down side. > > Some of those are - poor off the glass copies - mainly photos; files > dropping into cyberspace, never to print; very (did say very!) slow > interface with the Mac; registration movement as much as 1/16th inch; > and my designers favorite - not accepting matching paper commands - > set the machine for 80gsm, and the computer for the same, and it will > not print. > > Service quote was high at 6.5? per click color and 1? black, so in 2 > weeks would have spent $1370. Using the list members comments at 4.5? > would have made an additional $400. Really adds up fast. > > We could really tell the difference between a company that knows color > (our Danka service) to a company that is just selling color (our KM > company). > > If they would drop the machine price by $4000, and the clicks to 4.5, > we might make the leap. Even with the quirks, I can see some money > being made. > > Joe Dominick > Dominick's Printing > 542 W. Idaho Avenue > Ontario Oregon 97914 > > 541-881-1121 > fax 541-881-1599 > > http://www.dominicksprinting.com > dominick@fmtc.com > > NEW! We are Ontario's ONLY Adobe Authorized Service Provider > Microsoft Publisher File Welcome Here! > > Total Quality Printing using the Technology of Today! > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Bill Creighton Daniels Printing 2141 Priest Bridge Drive #5 Crofton, MD 21114 301.261.3426 bcreighton@danielsprinting.us From inkyhand at gmail.com Tue May 15 08:43:58 2007 From: inkyhand at gmail.com (Ron Livingston) Date: Tue May 15 08:44:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Special Hand Scrub soap in Pressroom In-Reply-To: <4648C6C6.4050105@parchmentpress.net> References: <4648C6C6.4050105@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: <5c2107b30705150543p5b12c46ah64dd2d0ee5bd84d@mail.gmail.com> We use I.C. Hand cleaner from I.C. Compound company. Contains no lanolin so our hands don't mark anything after use. http://www.iccompoundco.com They will gladly send out a free sample. Ron On 5/14/07, Keli of Coxsackie wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > So what does everyone here use for specialty soap for removing ink and > toner from hands? > -- Ron Livingston Cornerstone Press 1228 Scyene, Suite 117 Mesquite, TX 75149 (972) 285-4670 From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Tue May 15 10:00:51 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Tue May 15 10:02:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Chipboard inserter - wanted In-Reply-To: <20070514235713.6D366847260@rb.enter.net> References: <20070514235713.6D366847260@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <0185caf590c87458f8ce091f93e68872@sheergraphics.com> Thanks Brian! What an interesting thought, we'll give it a try. Does it 'stall' the machine or just slow it down? > We insert chip on the folder. On our stall we can have it pause every > nth > sheet and put a chip on top. Seems to work well on 11 x 17 sheets. > > Brian O'Day > ePrint > Portland, Oregon > brianoday@eprint.us > 503-684-2679 > Does anybody know who makes a chipboard inserter for small sheet fed > presses? > > I spoke with Mike Murray, President/CEO, Brackett (800) 255-3506 > and was told that Flikur > Model FIM-1 chipboard inserter is no longer manufactured. No luck on > Ebay and I can only find web-to-sheet inserters on Google. > > We tape insert every 10 sheets on press and then manually insert 11" x > 17" chip. It's very labor intensive! Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com Tue May 15 10:08:49 2007 From: nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com (Nancy) Date: Tue May 15 10:09:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Special Hand Scrub soap in Pressroom References: <4648C6C6.4050105@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: <005201c796fa$8f931540$0500a8c0@Nancy> Or your can get it from us at www.handscrub.net. Just a little side line we have Nancy Nancy Middleton The Printing Place, Inc. 5878 Cook Road, Suite F Milford, OH 45150 nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax 877/248-8774 Toll Free www.theprintingplaceinc.com we now have web hosting ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hutto Printing" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Special Hand Scrub soap in Pressroom > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > "Super Tough Hand Scrub" > I buy it from the paper company. > > Darrell Trammel > Hutto Printing > 512.846.1990 > > Order online at www.huttotxprinting.com !! > > Hutto Chamber of Commerce Member > Authorized Adobe Solutions Provider > Microsoft Publisher Service Provider > > > On May 14, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Keli of Coxsackie wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> So what does everyone here use for specialty soap for removing ink and >> toner from hands? >> We are almost entirely digital now so if that skews any >> recommendations.... >> >> thanks, >> Michael Markuson (aka Keli) >> Parchment Press >> 52 S River St >> Coxsackie, NY 12051 >> >> Parchment Press is a Cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes Communities - >> To learn more about our community and what we are all about - please feel >> free to email me off list or visit our website at : >> http://www.twelvetribes.com >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From pressexpress at bfm.org Tue May 15 10:32:32 2007 From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Tue May 15 10:32:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Special Hand Scrub soap in Pressroom In-Reply-To: References: <4648C6C6.4050105@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: <42C16530-9B8D-420B-9FC5-1964557AA443@bfm.org> Try ProSoap. 1-800 PRO-SOAP or 1-800-776-7627 Works great, pleasant lime scent, gritty paste mix. They will probably ship out a free sample for you to try. They did with us and we have been using it ever since. G On May 14, 2007, at 4:18 PM, Hutto Printing wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > "Super Tough Hand Scrub" > I buy it from the paper company. > > Darrell Trammel > Hutto Printing > 512.846.1990 > > Order online at www.huttotxprinting.com !! > > Hutto Chamber of Commerce Member > Authorized Adobe Solutions Provider > Microsoft Publisher Service Provider > > > On May 14, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Keli of Coxsackie wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> So what does everyone here use for specialty soap for removing ink >> and toner from hands? >> We are almost entirely digital now so if that skews any >> recommendations.... >> >> thanks, >> Michael Markuson (aka Keli) >> Parchment Press >> 52 S River St >> Coxsackie, NY 12051 >> >> Parchment Press is a Cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes >> Communities - To learn more about our community and what we are >> all about - please feel free to email me off list or visit our >> website at : http://www.twelvetribes.com >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From slb at inkspot.net Tue May 15 10:34:28 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue May 15 10:34:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Special Hand Scrub soap in Pressroom In-Reply-To: <4648C6C6.4050105@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: <46498CB4.15515.3D2A2BFE@slb.inkspot.net> We use Pro Soap microbrush, from www.prosoap.com Steve > > So what does everyone here use for specialty soap for removing ink and > toner from hands? > We are almost entirely digital now so if that skews any recommendations.... > > thanks, > Michael Markuson (aka Keli) > Parchment Press > 52 S River St > Coxsackie, NY 12051 > > Parchment Press is a Cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes Communities - > To learn more about our community and what we are all about - please > feel free to email me off list or visit our website at : > http://www.twelvetribes.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2266 (20070514) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From arvadaprintery at qwest.net Tue May 15 10:46:06 2007 From: arvadaprintery at qwest.net (Keith Herron) Date: Tue May 15 10:46:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] C6500 In-Reply-To: <5d679e93ba6ff71da993ebfca32eb689@fmtc.com> References: <5d679e93ba6ff71da993ebfca32eb689@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <436cbe77632f539f8ab1b985351b9403@qwest.net> Joe, We are negotiating right now with K/M for the C6500 and I would like your permission to show him your review. Thanks, Keith Herron The Printery, Inc. Arvada, Colorado 303-422-5033 On May 14, 2007, at 10:00 PM, Joe Dominick wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > "The C6500 has left the building!" > > 2 weeks and 20,000 color clicks and 7000 black clicks later, the > "demo" was removed. As we assess the values/weakness of the machine, I > have to also think what kind of money it made. > > From the simple 250 2-color business card ($65), to the medium quality > letterhead (1000) tested on 8 different copiers/laser printers ($185) > to the high end 12 pt C2S postcard samples (no sale) we are looking > over our notes to see if they outweigh the down side. > > Some of those are - poor off the glass copies - mainly photos; files > dropping into cyberspace, never to print; very (did say very!) slow > interface with the Mac; registration movement as much as 1/16th inch; > and my designers favorite - not accepting matching paper commands - > set the machine for 80gsm, and the computer for the same, and it will > not print. > > Service quote was high at 6.5? per click color and 1? black, so in 2 > weeks would have spent $1370. Using the list members comments at 4.5? > would have made an additional $400. Really adds up fast. > > We could really tell the difference between a company that knows color > (our Danka service) to a company that is just selling color (our KM > company). > > If they would drop the machine price by $4000, and the clicks to 4.5, > we might make the leap. Even with the quirks, I can see some money > being made. > > Joe Dominick > Dominick's Printing > 542 W. Idaho Avenue > Ontario Oregon 97914 > > 541-881-1121 > fax 541-881-1599 > > http://www.dominicksprinting.com > dominick@fmtc.com > > NEW! We are Ontario's ONLY Adobe Authorized Service Provider > Microsoft Publisher File Welcome Here! > > Total Quality Printing using the Technology of Today! > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From sos at olympus.net Tue May 15 11:05:51 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue May 15 11:08:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] C6500 References: <5d679e93ba6ff71da993ebfca32eb689@fmtc.com> <464926F2.8040209@danielsprinting.us> Message-ID: <000c01c79702$87545c10$0300a8c0@DANIEL> >They even changed their national contract pricing with NAQP. I guess they >wanted more $$$. >Larry could not understand their strategy. ================ What's to understand, they were losing money. All those parts and tubes of toner aren't free you know. They have to charge more than it costs them to service the machines. They goofed. There is no free lunch, even if engineers say it won't cost as much to maintain, the real world told them differently. That's why this list is so great. Real world information. Not advertising. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From k_graham at hotmail.com Tue May 15 11:09:59 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Tue May 15 11:10:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] C6500 References: <5d679e93ba6ff71da993ebfca32eb689@fmtc.com> Message-ID: ***** "The C6500 has left the building!" >2 weeks and 20,000 color clicks and 7000 black clicks later, the "demo" was >removed. As we assess the values/weakness of the machine, I have to also >think what kind of money it made. Your lucky, on the 500 we bought at about 15000 copies and had the fuser rip out at about 18000. > From the simple 250 2-color business card ($65), to the medium quality > letterhead (1000) tested on 8 different copiers/laser printers ($185) to > the high end 12 pt C2S postcard samples (no sale) we are looking over our > notes to see if they outweigh the down side. All weights work with our Xerox 240 & now 250 in 2nd store also off the glass. Service quote was high at 6.5? per click color and 1? black, so in 2 weeks would have spent $1370. Using the list members comments at 4.5? would have made an additional $400. Really adds up fast. 10 cents Canadian on Xerox - but any copies bad are rebated by Xerox on the toner, but they forgot how to make bad copies. >We could really tell the difference between a company that knows color (our >Danka service) to a company that is just selling color (our KM company). If they would drop the machine price by $4000, and the clicks to 4.5, we might make the leap. Even with the quirks, I can see some money being made. Unfortunately a great deal of a quality copier is quality SERVICE, this is the single greatest thing that must go with a great copier. A manufacturer like Xerox seems to be better set to provide parts than 3rd pary, like Ikon in this neighbourhood. I do wonder if your slow output from Macs could be a case of the file being sent multiple times for multiple copies. If this is the case sending once to the print or hold queue and then setting quantity in command workstation would solve that problem. Other problem might be a bad network cable. It would be interesting to see what a direct Gig connection between Mac and RIP would do. After our problems with 500 we did go with the External Fiery RIP on the Xeroxes, I don't know if this saves the grief or not but we don't have it on the Xerox's, there seems to be a similar corelation between happy 500, 6500 owners. The Xerox can set the paper thickness at the computer and the copier asks you to accept the new thickness at the machine by pressing the start button. The 500 was more problematic. Our deal on the Xerox was a new clearance 250 (they announced 252) and Demo Fiery for low 30's Canadian, would barely break 30 U.S. for the entire deal. I know you hate Xerox - I suggest running 20,000 copies on one and seeing if you can refuse it. Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika From championprinting at yahoo.com Tue May 15 11:10:42 2007 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Tue May 15 11:10:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Special Hand Scrub soap in Pressroom Message-ID: <918686.98828.qm@web38904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> We use a product distributed by a list members spouse. I think it's better than Pro Soap. Contact: Nancy Middleton The Printing Place, Inc. 5878 Cook Road, Suite F Milford, OH 45150 nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax 877/248-8774 Toll Free Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com From segass at heritageprinting.com Tue May 15 11:27:45 2007 From: segass at heritageprinting.com (Steve Gass) Date: Tue May 15 11:28:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Recycling your Paper Scraps In-Reply-To: <000601c793cf$8bc49ca0$7201a8c0@Crown.local> Message-ID: <01a401c79705$97537c10$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> Hello, I am loading gaylords into a tractor trailer and a Hanna Paper Recycle Co. is come 60 miles (4 times per year) and trading trailers. I then receive a check 30 days later for round $300. ($1,200 income) They called this morning and said they will need to charge $350 per month for the trailer. ($4,200 rent - $1,200 incom = $3,000 LOSS) How is everybody recycling your scrap paper? - In our dumpster - In our recycle dumpster - Partnering with the local government (I have a call into them.) Is anybody using another paper recycling company in the DC/Baltimore area? What else? Thanks, Steve Gass Heritage Printing & Mailing 240-298-0102 From bcreighton at danielsprinting.us Tue May 15 11:40:57 2007 From: bcreighton at danielsprinting.us (Bill Creighton) Date: Tue May 15 11:41:49 2007 Subject: SPAM-LOW: [PrintOwners] Recycling your Paper Scraps In-Reply-To: <01a401c79705$97537c10$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> References: <01a401c79705$97537c10$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> Message-ID: <4649D489.4090205@danielsprinting.us> Steve: We are in Crofton and use Encore Recycling out of Laurel. They come biweekly and p/u the full bins and leave empties. We sort our paper, coated and uncoated and get different price for each. They pickup our corrugated, but we don't get paid for that. Call Richard Abraham @ 240-417-9250 to see if they service your area. HTH Bill Steve Gass wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello, > > > > I am loading gaylords into a tractor trailer and a Hanna Paper Recycle Co. > is come 60 miles (4 times per year) and trading trailers. I then receive a > check 30 days later for round $300. ($1,200 income) > > > > They called this morning and said they will need to charge $350 per month > for the trailer. ($4,200 rent - $1,200 incom = $3,000 LOSS) > > > > How is everybody recycling your scrap paper? > > > > - In our dumpster > > - In our recycle dumpster > > - Partnering with the local government (I have a call into them.) > > > > Is anybody using another paper recycling company in the DC/Baltimore area? > > > > What else? > > > > Thanks, > > Steve Gass > > > > Heritage Printing & Mailing > > 240-298-0102 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- Bill Creighton Daniels Printing 2141 Priest Bridge Drive #5 Crofton, MD 21114 301.261.3426 bcreighton@danielsprinting.us From sos at olympus.net Tue May 15 11:47:45 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue May 15 11:49:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Recycling your Paper Scraps References: <01a401c79705$97537c10$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> Message-ID: <005001c79708$619118a0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> > How is everybody recycling your scrap paper? =================== We pay to have it picked up by the local Recycling company who has a contract with the city. I have no idea how much it costs, it's all rolled into garbage, water, septic, etc. We print the full color calendar/schedule of pickups for them, once a year job, so we probably come out a little ahead. But we also get that warm glowing feeling of knowing we are saving the earth, saving trees, lowering our carbon footprint, building a better world for our children, and of course ensuring customer loyalty by being good stewards of our tiny planet. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From robin at protypeonline.com Tue May 15 12:12:01 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Tue May 15 12:11:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: C6500 Message-ID: Joe...I was in DC delivering my daughter to her apt. for the next 13 weeks (internship) -- thus no message returned to you.... others -- we have had our C6500 with fiery rip since the end of January. Short of the long is that we are not happy but I'm really pinched for time since I lost 3 weeks laying around like a beached whale trying to heal my back....this is our busiest time of year printing.... anyway, parts are backordered forever! We are now 4 weeks out on a critical part. Screens won't print correctly at less than 20% density. Colors are changing significantly mid-run without running out of paper, etc.....we are told we need some software update but they don't have "it" yet. Were told in my absence last week that we will need to place a service call when we want to switch from 11 x 17 to 12 x 18 because the entire fuser unit needs to be swapped out or we will get a "roll mark" -- NO!!! they were not kidding! Our local service says they are as upset as I am but they cannot get parts any faster from KM corporate and they aren't getting any answers from their corporate superiors, technicians on how to solve our problems. I'm cc'ing this message to Chuck Slaughter at KM -- this machine DOES have merit -- solids are awesome ....but like with any machine...without service...you ain't got nothing and we don't have service! I fully intend to contact Xerox this week or next to ask if they are interested in working with me....IF you have great and dependable service from KM in your area, maybe you will want my C6500???? oh.....make sure your local service is willing and able to make weekly maintenance calls. Mandatory maintenance required every 100,000 copies and little old Pro-Type has been doing that or a little less each month....so I can only imagine what some of you larger shops could crank out with this box.....as long as you don't need to change from 11 x 17 to 12 x 18 very often (LIKE WE DO!) Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From prtquick at eos.net Tue May 15 12:38:54 2007 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Tue May 15 12:15:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Recycling your Paper Scraps In-Reply-To: <005001c79708$619118a0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <01a401c79705$97537c10$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> <005001c79708$619118a0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: This has been Gail's project this month. She talked to several folks, but they could not guarantee it would not cost us to recycle. Currently all the scrap went into the dumpster. Last week we got an attractive recycling dumpster from 'Abakibi'. It is a free 'fundraiser' recycling program. It takes all our paper except cardboard. The proceeds benefit my kid's parochial school. It looks like I will be able to reduce the number of dumpster pickups by half, so I will save some money every month. 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Printing On May 15, 2007, at 11:47 AM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> How is everybody recycling your scrap paper? > =================== > > We pay to have it picked up by the local Recycling company who has a > contract with the city. I have no idea how much it costs, it's all > rolled into garbage, water, septic, etc. > We print the full color calendar/schedule of pickups for them, once a > year job, so we probably come out a little ahead. > > But we also get that warm glowing feeling of knowing we are saving the > earth, saving trees, lowering our carbon footprint, building a better > world for our children, and of course ensuring customer loyalty by > being good stewards of our tiny planet. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From championprinting at yahoo.com Tue May 15 12:21:21 2007 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Tue May 15 12:21:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintOwners] Recycling your Paper Scraps Message-ID: <206557.9213.qm@web38909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 2 yd recycle (cardboard, coated & uncoated paper - $30 2 yd trash - $85 Emptied weekly, charges are for a month. Trash - $1020, Recycle - $360 annually Local trash hauler - Hughes (in Hampstead MD) Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill Creighton To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 11:40:57 AM Subject: Re: SPAM-LOW: [PrintOwners] Recycling your Paper Scraps ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Steve: We are in Crofton and use Encore Recycling out of Laurel. They come biweekly and p/u the full bins and leave empties. We sort our paper, coated and uncoated and get different price for each. They pickup our corrugated, but we don't get paid for that. Call Richard Abraham @ 240-417-9250 to see if they service your area. HTH Bill Steve Gass wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello, > > > > I am loading gaylords into a tractor trailer and a Hanna Paper Recycle Co. > is come 60 miles (4 times per year) and trading trailers. I then receive a > check 30 days later for round $300. ($1,200 income) > > > > They called this morning and said they will need to charge $350 per month > for the trailer. ($4,200 rent - $1,200 incom = $3,000 LOSS) > > > > How is everybody recycling your scrap paper? > > > > - In our dumpster > > - In our recycle dumpster > > - Partnering with the local government (I have a call into them.) > > > > Is anybody using another paper recycling company in the DC/Baltimore area? > > > > What else? > > > > Thanks, > > Steve Gass > > > > Heritage Printing & Mailing > > 240-298-0102 > -- Bill Creighton Daniels Printing 2141 Priest Bridge Drive #5 Crofton, MD 21114 301.261.3426 bcreighton@danielsprinting.us From char at themasterspress.com Tue May 15 12:43:51 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Tue May 15 12:43:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: C6500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Robin they have given us two fuser units to replace ourselves on the C500. Surely they can do that on the 6500. It is suppose to be easier than on the c500. ch On 5/15/07 11:12 AM, "Robin Niewold" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Joe...I was in DC delivering my daughter to her apt. for the next 13 > weeks (internship) -- thus no message returned to you.... > > others -- we have had our C6500 with fiery rip since the end of > January. Short of the long is that we are not happy but I'm really > pinched for time since I lost 3 weeks laying around like a beached > whale trying to heal my back....this is our busiest time of year > printing.... > anyway, parts are backordered forever! We are now 4 weeks out on a > critical part. Screens won't print correctly at less than 20% > density. Colors are changing significantly mid-run without running > out of paper, etc.....we are told we need some software update but > they don't have "it" yet. > Were told in my absence last week that we will need to place a > service call when we want to switch from 11 x 17 to 12 x 18 because > the entire fuser unit needs to be swapped out or we will get a "roll > mark" -- NO!!! they were not kidding! Our local service says they are > as upset as I am but they cannot get parts any faster from KM > corporate and they aren't getting any answers from their corporate > superiors, technicians on how to solve our problems. > I'm cc'ing this message to Chuck Slaughter at KM -- this machine DOES > have merit -- solids are awesome ....but like with any > machine...without service...you ain't got nothing and we don't have > service! > I fully intend to contact Xerox this week or next to ask if they are > interested in working with me....IF you have great and dependable > service from KM in your area, maybe you will want my C6500???? > oh.....make sure your local service is willing and able to make > weekly maintenance calls. Mandatory maintenance required every > 100,000 copies and little old Pro-Type has been doing that or a > little less each month....so I can only imagine what some of you > larger shops could crank out with this box.....as long as you don't > need to change from 11 x 17 to 12 x 18 very often (LIKE WE DO!) > Robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Charlene Sims The Master?s Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 Fax 972-404-0317 Char@themasterspress.com From sherwood at net-power.net Tue May 15 12:44:20 2007 From: sherwood at net-power.net (Bob Sherwood) Date: Tue May 15 12:44:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Clip art Message-ID: <008701c79710$49891520$01fea8c0@cumberla1> Several years ago we purchased clipart cd called Click art cd, from Broderbund. It contained 1 color clip artwork. Does anybody know of such cd (s) out now that are about the samething. We are having a lot of need for spot color art work? Bob Sherwood Cumberland Printing Monticello, KY 42633 606-348-4517 From allreadyprinting at gmail.com Tue May 15 12:54:56 2007 From: allreadyprinting at gmail.com (All Ready Printing) Date: Tue May 15 12:54:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Clip art In-Reply-To: <008701c79710$49891520$01fea8c0@cumberla1> References: <008701c79710$49891520$01fea8c0@cumberla1> Message-ID: <844f39e80705150954g459a9b78o6e4cbbd893cccc05@mail.gmail.com> We have a great CD called Big Box of Art that we bought a couple of years ago. Has a lot of nice clipart and you can get a book that goes with it to show customers. I think we bought it at CDW. Matt Kensey -- All Ready Inc. Modern offset printing, custom thermography, and full-service direct mail solutions. http://www.allready.com Call us toll free: (888)-270-7780 From char at themasterspress.com Tue May 15 12:56:46 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Tue May 15 12:56:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] C6500 In-Reply-To: <000c01c79702$87545c10$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: Yea Dan - Maybe they goofed. I am not convinced. They came up with that price themselves. No one asked them. The toner and service was suppose to be much less than the C500 and they felt like they could service it for less because of the lower cost. But I think the service overall is killing them, because they don't know what they are doing. Oopppps I did not say that did I. :-) When they are thinking they should have ...... Between calls and the reality is 1/4 of that or more it will kill you on price. I think they have oversold and can't keep up. I still think it is a good machine and I am making money on it, but my frustration level with the C500 is high. And they do not understand what I am wanting. It makes me sad because I have been some responsible for a lot of machines that people have out there. I hope they get their act together. Only if we keep on them will they keep responding and learning what they need to do in order to sell to print for pay. ch On 5/15/07 10:05 AM, "Dan Huntingford" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> They even changed their national contract pricing with NAQP. I guess they >> wanted more $$$. >> Larry could not understand their strategy. > ================ > > What's to understand, they were losing money. All those parts and tubes of > toner aren't free you know. They have to charge more than it costs them to > service the machines. They goofed. There is no free lunch, even if > engineers say it won't cost as much to maintain, the real world told them > differently. > That's why this list is so great. Real world information. Not advertising. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Charlene Sims The Master?s Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 Fax 972-404-0317 Char@themasterspress.com From prtquick at eos.net Tue May 15 13:30:16 2007 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Tue May 15 13:06:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Recycling your Paper Scraps In-Reply-To: References: <01a401c79705$97537c10$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> <005001c79708$619118a0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <27cedbe159fdb31de793ab4a17d7505c@eos.net> Scott wrote the name wrong, it's Abitibi. I have no idea what that means. It's a fundraising company that operates nationally. They put a big green and yellow dumpster in your lot and pay a charity for the paper. The dumpster is clean and attractive, and they replace it if it gets a graffiti treatment. We chose it because the one paper recycling place that I could get to come out didn't ever give me a quote. Abitibi has dumpsters at most of the schools in the region, and lots of the churches as well. Our kids go to a school just up the street, where they have an Abitibi dumpster that gets filled up every week. (It's a parochial school -- all the parents and a whole church full of people use a lot of newspaper!) So I Googled Abitibi and was able to get a dumpster set up and benefiting the school within a day. We are going to send out a press release to the local paper that we are recycling for the school, and we are giving all business neighbors a letter inviting them to bring their recyclables -- and reminding them it's good PR to tell their customers that they recycle. For us, it's a reduction in waste cost and local PR (we are good corporate citizens helping out a local school). Abitibi takes cardboard in some areas of the country, but not ours. They take all our waste paper as well as our junk mail and newspapers. I recommend them. Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit us in our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing On May 15, 2007, at 12:38 PM, Scott Finke wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > This has been Gail's project this month. She talked to several folks, > but they could not guarantee it would not cost us to recycle. > Currently all the scrap went into the dumpster. > > Last week we got an attractive recycling dumpster from 'Abakibi'. It > is a free 'fundraiser' recycling program. It takes all our paper > except cardboard. The proceeds benefit my kid's parochial school. It > looks like I will be able to reduce the number of dumpster pickups by > half, so I will save some money every month. > > I have been talking this up to my local customers and already have two > environmentally-minded ones dropping off their recycling too. > > > Scott Finke > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Visit us in our new location! > > Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. > 8630 Winton Road > Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Phone: (513) 522.2679 > Fax (513) 522.2692 > Email: info@brentwood-printing.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > www.Brentwood-Printing.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Send us your file at: > http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Quick. Quality. Printing > > On May 15, 2007, at 11:47 AM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>> How is everybody recycling your scrap paper? >> =================== >> >> We pay to have it picked up by the local Recycling company who has a >> contract with the city. I have no idea how much it costs, it's all >> rolled into garbage, water, septic, etc. >> We print the full color calendar/schedule of pickups for them, once a >> year job, so we probably come out a little ahead. >> >> But we also get that warm glowing feeling of knowing we are saving >> the earth, saving trees, lowering our carbon footprint, building a >> better world for our children, and of course ensuring customer >> loyalty by being good stewards of our tiny planet. >> >> Dan Huntingford >> SOS Printing >> 2319 Washington Street >> Port Townsend, WA 98368 >> sos@olympus.net >> (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From ep101 at technaprint.com Tue May 15 13:09:41 2007 From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson) Date: Tue May 15 13:09:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Special Hand Scrub soap in Pressroom In-Reply-To: <42C16530-9B8D-420B-9FC5-1964557AA443@bfm.org> Message-ID: > Try ProSoap. > > 1-800 PRO-SOAP or > 1-800-776-7627 > > Works great, pleasant lime scent, gritty paste mix. > > They will probably ship out a free sample for you to try. They did > with us and we have been using it ever since. This is what we use. The guys like it a lot. Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com From bcreighton at danielsprinting.us Tue May 15 13:13:31 2007 From: bcreighton at danielsprinting.us (Bill Creighton) Date: Tue May 15 13:14:07 2007 Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [PrintOwners] Recycling your Paper Scraps In-Reply-To: <27cedbe159fdb31de793ab4a17d7505c@eos.net> References: <01a401c79705$97537c10$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> <005001c79708$619118a0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <27cedbe159fdb31de793ab4a17d7505c@eos.net> Message-ID: <4649EA3B.3000808@danielsprinting.us> Abitibi is a paper company. The just merged (bought) Consolidated and Bowater. They manufacture newsprint and probably find this network of recycled paper advantageous. Bill Scott Finke wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Scott wrote the name wrong, it's Abitibi. I have no idea what that > means. It's a fundraising company that operates nationally. They put a > big green and yellow dumpster in your lot and pay a charity for the > paper. The dumpster is clean and attractive, and they replace it if it > gets a graffiti treatment. > > We chose it because the one paper recycling place that I could get to > come out didn't ever give me a quote. Abitibi has dumpsters at most of > the schools in the region, and lots of the churches as well. Our kids > go to a school just up the street, where they have an Abitibi dumpster > that gets filled up every week. (It's a parochial school -- all the > parents and a whole church full of people use a lot of newspaper!) So > I Googled Abitibi and was able to get a dumpster set up and benefiting > the school within a day. > > We are going to send out a press release to the local paper that we > are recycling for the school, and we are giving all business neighbors > a letter inviting them to bring their recyclables -- and reminding > them it's good PR to tell their customers that they recycle. > > For us, it's a reduction in waste cost and local PR (we are good > corporate citizens helping out a local school). Abitibi takes > cardboard in some areas of the country, but not ours. They take all > our waste paper as well as our junk mail and newspapers. I recommend > them. > > Gail Finke > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Visit us in our new location! > > Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. > 8630 Winton Road > Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Phone: (513) 522.2679 > Fax (513) 522.2692 > Email: info@brentwood-printing.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > www.Brentwood-Printing.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Send us your file at: > http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Quick. Quality. Printing > > On May 15, 2007, at 12:38 PM, Scott Finke wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> This has been Gail's project this month. She talked to several folks, >> but they could not guarantee it would not cost us to recycle. >> Currently all the scrap went into the dumpster. >> >> Last week we got an attractive recycling dumpster from 'Abakibi'. It >> is a free 'fundraiser' recycling program. It takes all our paper >> except cardboard. The proceeds benefit my kid's parochial school. It >> looks like I will be able to reduce the number of dumpster pickups by >> half, so I will save some money every month. >> >> I have been talking this up to my local customers and already have >> two environmentally-minded ones dropping off their recycling too. >> >> >> Scott Finke >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> Visit us in our new location! >> >> Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. >> 8630 Winton Road >> Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> Phone: (513) 522.2679 >> Fax (513) 522.2692 >> Email: info@brentwood-printing.com >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> www.Brentwood-Printing.com >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> Send us your file at: >> http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> Quick. Quality. Printing >> >> On May 15, 2007, at 11:47 AM, Dan Huntingford wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>>> How is everybody recycling your scrap paper? >>> =================== >>> >>> We pay to have it picked up by the local Recycling company who has a >>> contract with the city. I have no idea how much it costs, it's all >>> rolled into garbage, water, septic, etc. >>> We print the full color calendar/schedule of pickups for them, once >>> a year job, so we probably come out a little ahead. >>> >>> But we also get that warm glowing feeling of knowing we are saving >>> the earth, saving trees, lowering our carbon footprint, building a >>> better world for our children, and of course ensuring customer >>> loyalty by being good stewards of our tiny planet. >>> >>> Dan Huntingford >>> SOS Printing >>> 2319 Washington Street >>> Port Townsend, WA 98368 >>> sos@olympus.net >>> (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Bill Creighton Daniels Printing 2141 Priest Bridge Drive #5 Crofton, MD 21114 301.261.3426 bcreighton@danielsprinting.us From slb at inkspot.net Tue May 15 14:05:06 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue May 15 14:05:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Clip art In-Reply-To: <008701c79710$49891520$01fea8c0@cumberla1> Message-ID: <4649BE12.5856.3DEB054D@slb.inkspot.net> We have a collection from Art Explosion that consists of about two dozen cds. When we looked last, it was the only one that came with a printed catalog of the artwork. Steve > > Several years ago we purchased clipart cd called Click art cd, from Broderbund. It contained 1 color clip artwork. Does anybody know of such cd (s) out now that are about the samething. We are having a lot of need for spot color art work? > > > Bob Sherwood > Cumberland Printing > Monticello, KY 42633 > 606-348-4517 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2268 (20070515) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From cpress at northnet.org Tue May 15 14:19:39 2007 From: cpress at northnet.org (David Charleson) Date: Tue May 15 14:19:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Time Sheet Message-ID: <4649F9BB.8030908@northnet.org> Does everyone use time sheets for the pressroom . If so do you have a form in PDF that you can email to me? Ive used a simple one in the past but it doesnt seem to do what i think i want. It seems that i might want to average out total impressions per hour over an 8 hour day and tally those every week to come up with a monthly average. Our press equipment is getting old, but still in good condition so i have to take into consideration that also, it just might justify new equipment too. What are most shops averaging with AB Dicks385,8810, and a Hamada E47S type of presses . I can run the presses and produce more that my current pressman(2yrs exp.) i have been running presses for @ 30 yrs, i dont expect him to do what i can do but i just need a little input as to what other people do. Thanks Again, David Charleson President Commercial Press Inc. 216 Cowan Rd Canton NY 13617 P 315.386.3431 F 315.386.5259 cpress@northnet.org www.commercialpressink.com From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Tue May 15 14:23:37 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Tue May 15 14:24:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Clip art In-Reply-To: <20070515170653.90C12849FCB@rb.enter.net> References: <20070515170653.90C12849FCB@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <72868eaa41b40ee92d756846c266e07a@sheergraphics.com> Google ( a new verb) "Art explosion" > Several years ago we purchased clipart cd called Click art cd, from > Broderbund. It contained 1 color clip artwork. Does anybody know of > such cd (s) out now that are about the samething. We are having a lot > of need for spot color art work? Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue May 15 14:33:15 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue May 15 14:33:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Time Sheet Message-ID: In a message dated 5/15/2007 2:21:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cpress@northnet.org writes: Does everyone use time sheets for the pressroom . If so do you have a form in PDF that you can email to me? Ive used a simple one in the past but it doesnt seem to do what i think i want. It seems that i might want to average out total impressions per hour over an 8 hour day and tally those every week to come up with a monthly average. If you visit my web page (_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com) ) and then follow the link at the top to downloads you can download a PDF of a press room log sheet that captures all of the essential info. Just make sure that when recording impressions they do it properly..... 1000 4x5 cards run 4-up. 1-side, is 250 impressions, not 1,000. 1M 3-part is obviously 3,000 impressions.... some of the sheet was also used as a basis for our bonus system, but that is for another day. I think many owners (especially those who have never run a press) would be shocked to discover the relatively low number of average impressions run in their shops on a daily basis over an extended period of time. It is important that press operators do not use a sheet for more than one day.... ideally, at the end of the week, you should receive a minimum of five sheets, stapled together with one or more columns (such as impressions, washups, etc.) recorded. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com) _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From nt at andrewsblueprint.com Tue May 15 14:45:49 2007 From: nt at andrewsblueprint.com (Nancy Thomsen) Date: Tue May 15 14:45:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Special Hand Scrub soap in Pressroom In-Reply-To: <42C16530-9B8D-420B-9FC5-1964557AA443@bfm.org> References: <4648C6C6.4050105@parchmentpress.net> <42C16530-9B8D-420B-9FC5-1964557AA443@bfm.org> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20070515114136.02c83dc0@mail.andrewsblueprint.com> If anyone wants/needs Prosoap, I have 2 cases (4 tubs) that I will never use. It's great, but we just don't use that much. $10.00 per tub + freight and it's yours. I also have one of those dispensers. Buy 4 tubs, get the dispenser. Shoot! Now I have to go clean it out! Nancy Nancy Thomsen Andrews Blueprint, Inc. 269 Griffin St. Salinas, CA 93901 831-424-0331 Fax 831-424-7485 Fax www.andrewsblueprint.com At 07:32 AM 5/15/2007, Greg Weinfurter wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Try ProSoap. > >1-800 PRO-SOAP or >1-800-776-7627 > >Works great, pleasant lime scent, gritty paste mix. > >They will probably ship out a free sample for you to try. They did >with us and we have been using it ever since. > >G From scott at usacolor.com Tue May 15 15:15:00 2007 From: scott at usacolor.com (scott) Date: Tue May 15 15:15:14 2007 Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [PrintOwners] Recycling your Paper Scraps In-Reply-To: <4649EA3B.3000808@danielsprinting.us> References: <01a401c79705$97537c10$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> <005001c79708$619118a0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <27cedbe159fdb31de793ab4a17d7505c@eos.net> <4649EA3B.3000808@danielsprinting.us> Message-ID: <464A06B4.901@usacolor.com> Our local recyling center is right accross the street from us, although we dont get paid anything we can bring it over and not be charged. They provide bins that about 6x6x6. one for coated, one for uncoated. we go over 3-4 times a week using a trailer I had made special for these bins. Scott Balsiger, President USA Color Printing Inc. www.usacolor.com 791 Manhomen Dr. Bemidji, MN 56601 800-759-9126 218-759-9126 218-759-2883(fax) 218-556-5505(cell) Bill Creighton wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Abitibi is a paper company. The just merged (bought) Consolidated and > Bowater. They manufacture newsprint and probably find this network of > recycled paper advantageous. > Bill > > Scott Finke wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> Scott wrote the name wrong, it's Abitibi. I have no idea what that >> means. It's a fundraising company that operates nationally. They put >> a big green and yellow dumpster in your lot and pay a charity for the >> paper. The dumpster is clean and attractive, and they replace it if >> it gets a graffiti treatment. >> >> We chose it because the one paper recycling place that I could get to >> come out didn't ever give me a quote. Abitibi has dumpsters at most >> of the schools in the region, and lots of the churches as well. Our >> kids go to a school just up the street, where they have an Abitibi >> dumpster that gets filled up every week. (It's a parochial school -- >> all the parents and a whole church full of people use a lot of >> newspaper!) So I Googled Abitibi and was able to get a dumpster set >> up and benefiting the school within a day. >> >> We are going to send out a press release to the local paper that we >> are recycling for the school, and we are giving all business >> neighbors a letter inviting them to bring their recyclables -- and >> reminding them it's good PR to tell their customers that they recycle. >> >> For us, it's a reduction in waste cost and local PR (we are good >> corporate citizens helping out a local school). Abitibi takes >> cardboard in some areas of the country, but not ours. They take all >> our waste paper as well as our junk mail and newspapers. I recommend >> them. >> >> Gail Finke >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> Visit us in our new location! >> >> Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. >> 8630 Winton Road >> Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> Phone: (513) 522.2679 >> Fax (513) 522.2692 >> Email: info@brentwood-printing.com >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> www.Brentwood-Printing.com >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> Send us your file at: >> http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> Quick. Quality. Printing >> >> On May 15, 2007, at 12:38 PM, Scott Finke wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> This has been Gail's project this month. She talked to several >>> folks, but they could not guarantee it would not cost us to recycle. >>> Currently all the scrap went into the dumpster. >>> >>> Last week we got an attractive recycling dumpster from 'Abakibi'. It >>> is a free 'fundraiser' recycling program. It takes all our paper >>> except cardboard. The proceeds benefit my kid's parochial school. It >>> looks like I will be able to reduce the number of dumpster pickups >>> by half, so I will save some money every month. >>> >>> I have been talking this up to my local customers and already have >>> two environmentally-minded ones dropping off their recycling too. >>> >>> >>> Scott Finke >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>> Visit us in our new location! >>> >>> Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. >>> 8630 Winton Road >>> Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>> Phone: (513) 522.2679 >>> Fax (513) 522.2692 >>> Email: info@brentwood-printing.com >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>> www.Brentwood-Printing.com >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>> Send us your file at: >>> http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>> Quick. Quality. Printing >>> >>> On May 15, 2007, at 11:47 AM, Dan Huntingford wrote: >>> >>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>>> >>>>> How is everybody recycling your scrap paper? >>>> >>>> =================== >>>> >>>> We pay to have it picked up by the local Recycling company who has >>>> a contract with the city. I have no idea how much it costs, it's >>>> all rolled into garbage, water, septic, etc. >>>> We print the full color calendar/schedule of pickups for them, once >>>> a year job, so we probably come out a little ahead. >>>> >>>> But we also get that warm glowing feeling of knowing we are saving >>>> the earth, saving trees, lowering our carbon footprint, building a >>>> better world for our children, and of course ensuring customer >>>> loyalty by being good stewards of our tiny planet. >>>> >>>> Dan Huntingford >>>> SOS Printing >>>> 2319 Washington Street >>>> Port Townsend, WA 98368 >>>> sos@olympus.net >>>> (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > From digitalgraphics at sbcglobal.net Tue May 15 15:19:58 2007 From: digitalgraphics at sbcglobal.net (Chris Barton) Date: Tue May 15 15:18:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 21, Issue 46 In-Reply-To: <20070515170654.1C78A849FD0@rb.enter.net> References: <20070515170654.1C78A849FD0@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <004501c79726$076a8000$6401a8c0@Chris> Well, this will be coming out in the next issue of Larrys newsletter.....but I'm here to tell you right now..........that I am wrapping up negociations with KM direct AND a local independent on a new c6500....and both of them were willing to meet the old......045 color and .001 b&w with 11 x 17 one click and no min....no 5 year freeze.....but a 5% cap....so......good news there......gonna have to see if I can get multiple units tho as we also switch back and forth between 11 x 17 and 12 x 18 Chris Barton Digital Color Graphics, Inc. 3209 W. Warner Avenue Santa Ana, CA 92704 (714) 241-8443 www.digitalcolorgraphics.com Message: 7 Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 11:56:46 -0500 From: Charlene Sims Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] C6500 To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Yea Dan - Maybe they goofed. I am not convinced. They came up with that price themselves. No one asked them. The toner and service was suppose to be much less than the C500 and they felt like they could service it for less because of the lower cost. But I think the service overall is killing them, because they don't know what they are doing. Oopppps I did not say that did I. :-) When they are thinking they should have ...... Between calls and the reality is 1/4 of that or more it will kill you on price. I think they have oversold and can't keep up. I still think it is a good machine and I am making money on it, but my frustration level with the C500 is high. And they do not understand what I am wanting. It makes me sad because I have been some responsible for a lot of machines that people have out there. I hope they get their act together. Only if we keep on them will they keep responding and learning what they need to do in order to sell to print for pay. ch On 5/15/07 10:05 AM, "Dan Huntingford" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> They even changed their national contract pricing with NAQP. I guess they >> wanted more $$$. >> Larry could not understand their strategy. > ================ > > What's to understand, they were losing money. All those parts and tubes of > toner aren't free you know. They have to charge more than it costs them to > service the machines. They goofed. There is no free lunch, even if > engineers say it won't cost as much to maintain, the real world told them > differently. > That's why this list is so great. Real world information. Not advertising. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Charlene Sims The Master9s Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 Fax 972-404-0317 Char@themasterspress.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.1/805 - Release Date: 5/15/2007 10:47 AM From prtquick at eos.net Tue May 15 16:27:26 2007 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Tue May 15 16:03:52 2007 Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [PrintOwners] Recycling your Paper Scraps In-Reply-To: <4649EA3B.3000808@danielsprinting.us> References: <01a401c79705$97537c10$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> <005001c79708$619118a0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <27cedbe159fdb31de793ab4a17d7505c@eos.net> <4649EA3B.3000808@danielsprinting.us> Message-ID: <195024b51026c39479ab7b0256c5d72e@eos.net> Bill: Thanks for the clarification. It makes sense that they would get into the recycling biz. The name of the fundraising program, which can be found by Googling Abitibi, is "Paper Retriever." There is a little cartoon dog and everything... Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit us in our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing On May 15, 2007, at 1:13 PM, Bill Creighton wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Abitibi is a paper company. The just merged (bought) Consolidated and > Bowater. They manufacture newsprint and probably find this network of > recycled paper advantageous. > Bill > From allreadyprinting at gmail.com Tue May 15 16:25:57 2007 From: allreadyprinting at gmail.com (All Ready Printing) Date: Tue May 15 16:26:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Special Hand Scrub soap in Pressroom In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20070515114136.02c83dc0@mail.andrewsblueprint.com> References: <4648C6C6.4050105@parchmentpress.net> <42C16530-9B8D-420B-9FC5-1964557AA443@bfm.org> <6.2.3.4.2.20070515114136.02c83dc0@mail.andrewsblueprint.com> Message-ID: <844f39e80705151325s43c97a76mbbf7b761b5dd4ce3@mail.gmail.com> What about scrubs in a bucket? Washes off ink and toner. Kind of like a wet wipe, but for industrial uses. Avoids constant trips to the deep sink for handwashing...keeps the pressman clean and working. Good stuff. Matt Kensey -- All Ready Inc. Modern offset printing, custom thermography, and full-service direct mail solutions. http://www.allready.com Call us toll free: (888)-270-7780 From TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com Tue May 15 16:29:32 2007 From: TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com (Tom King) Date: Tue May 15 16:29:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Perfect Binding - How Many Do It Themselves? Message-ID: <000f01c7972f$bf4bee30$6900a8c0@Tom> Just curious. We've always 'sent out' for perfect binding. How many here have your own perfect binding equipment? Is it worth owning? Profitable? Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com From mikestevens at expresspressusa.com Tue May 15 16:31:26 2007 From: mikestevens at expresspressusa.com (mikestevens@expresspressusa.com) Date: Tue May 15 16:31:35 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press Message-ID: <917470189@mail.mathisons.com> You have reached Mathison's Express Press. Paul Anstett, President / Owner. Large and Small format color printing, Trade-show displays and graphics, Flatbed printing technology, offset printing, Full service Reprographics. "We can print on virtually anything" For more information about our products and services please e-mail info@mathisons.com or call (800) 437-4744. Visit our website(s) at www.ExpressPressUSA.com and www.Mathisons.com Mathison's Express Press 1213 NP Avenue Fargo, ND 58102 Mathison's Express Press 109 S. Indiana Sioux Falls, SD 57117 Mathison's Express Press 114 N 4th Street Bismarck, ND 58501 From mikestevens at expresspressusa.com Tue May 15 16:33:07 2007 From: mikestevens at expresspressusa.com (mikestevens@expresspressusa.com) Date: Tue May 15 16:33:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press Message-ID: <917470243@mail.mathisons.com> You have reached Mathison's Express Press. Paul Anstett, President / Owner. Large and Small format color printing, Trade-show displays and graphics, Flatbed printing technology, offset printing, Full service Reprographics. "We can print on virtually anything" For more information about our products and services please e-mail info@mathisons.com or call (800) 437-4744. Visit our website(s) at www.ExpressPressUSA.com and www.Mathisons.com Mathison's Express Press 1213 NP Avenue Fargo, ND 58102 Mathison's Express Press 109 S. Indiana Sioux Falls, SD 57117 Mathison's Express Press 114 N 4th Street Bismarck, ND 58501 From mikestevens at expresspressusa.com Tue May 15 16:34:33 2007 From: mikestevens at expresspressusa.com (mikestevens@expresspressusa.com) Date: Tue May 15 16:34:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press Message-ID: <917470288@mail.mathisons.com> You have reached Mathison's Express Press. Paul Anstett, President / Owner. Large and Small format color printing, Trade-show displays and graphics, Flatbed printing technology, offset printing, Full service Reprographics. "We can print on virtually anything" For more information about our products and services please e-mail info@mathisons.com or call (800) 437-4744. Visit our website(s) at www.ExpressPressUSA.com and www.Mathisons.com Mathison's Express Press 1213 NP Avenue Fargo, ND 58102 Mathison's Express Press 109 S. Indiana Sioux Falls, SD 57117 Mathison's Express Press 114 N 4th Street Bismarck, ND 58501 From mikestevens at expresspressusa.com Tue May 15 16:37:02 2007 From: mikestevens at expresspressusa.com (mikestevens@expresspressusa.com) Date: Tue May 15 16:37:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press Message-ID: <917470369@mail.mathisons.com> You have reached Mathison's Express Press. Paul Anstett, President / Owner. Large and Small format color printing, Trade-show displays and graphics, Flatbed printing technology, offset printing, Full service Reprographics. "We can print on virtually anything" For more information about our products and services please e-mail info@mathisons.com or call (800) 437-4744. Visit our website(s) at www.ExpressPressUSA.com and www.Mathisons.com Mathison's Express Press 1213 NP Avenue Fargo, ND 58102 Mathison's Express Press 109 S. Indiana Sioux Falls, SD 57117 Mathison's Express Press 114 N 4th Street Bismarck, ND 58501 From mikestevens at expresspressusa.com Tue May 15 16:38:30 2007 From: mikestevens at expresspressusa.com (mikestevens@expresspressusa.com) Date: Tue May 15 16:38:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press Message-ID: <917470415@mail.mathisons.com> You have reached Mathison's Express Press. Paul Anstett, President / Owner. Large and Small format color printing, Trade-show displays and graphics, Flatbed printing technology, offset printing, Full service Reprographics. "We can print on virtually anything" For more information about our products and services please e-mail info@mathisons.com or call (800) 437-4744. Visit our website(s) at www.ExpressPressUSA.com and www.Mathisons.com Mathison's Express Press 1213 NP Avenue Fargo, ND 58102 Mathison's Express Press 109 S. Indiana Sioux Falls, SD 57117 Mathison's Express Press 114 N 4th Street Bismarck, ND 58501 From mikestevens at expresspressusa.com Tue May 15 16:42:53 2007 From: mikestevens at expresspressusa.com (mikestevens@expresspressusa.com) Date: Tue May 15 16:42:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press Message-ID: <917470554@mail.mathisons.com> You have reached Mathison's Express Press. Paul Anstett, President / Owner. Large and Small format color printing, Trade-show displays and graphics, Flatbed printing technology, offset printing, Full service Reprographics. "We can print on virtually anything" For more information about our products and services please e-mail info@mathisons.com or call (800) 437-4744. Visit our website(s) at www.ExpressPressUSA.com and www.Mathisons.com Mathison's Express Press 1213 NP Avenue Fargo, ND 58102 Mathison's Express Press 109 S. Indiana Sioux Falls, SD 57117 Mathison's Express Press 114 N 4th Street Bismarck, ND 58501 From carole at wordcatering.com Tue May 15 17:02:06 2007 From: carole at wordcatering.com (Carole M. Rike) Date: Tue May 15 17:02:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Clip art In-Reply-To: <72868eaa41b40ee92d756846c266e07a@sheergraphics.com> References: <20070515170653.90C12849FCB@rb.enter.net> <72868eaa41b40ee92d756846c266e07a@sheergraphics.com> Message-ID: <011601c79734$4b77e270$6601a8c0@carol3ceeaab4a> Amazon has Nova Art Explosion (800,000) for $59.99 after rebate Carole M. Rike Word Catering, Ltd. PRINTING SOLUTIONS 48299 Stafford Road . Tickfaw, LA 70466 > Several years ago we purchased clipart cd called Click art cd, from > Broderbund. It contained 1 color clip artwork. Does anybody know of > such cd (s) out now that are about the samething. We are having a lot > of need for spot color art work? From mikestevens at expresspressusa.com Tue May 15 17:03:28 2007 From: mikestevens at expresspressusa.com (mikestevens@expresspressusa.com) Date: Tue May 15 17:03:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press Message-ID: <917471342@mail.mathisons.com> You have reached Mathison's Express Press. Paul Anstett, President / Owner. Large and Small format color printing, Trade-show displays and graphics, Flatbed printing technology, offset printing, Full service Reprographics. "We can print on virtually anything" For more information about our products and services please e-mail info@mathisons.com or call (800) 437-4744. Visit our website(s) at www.ExpressPressUSA.com and www.Mathisons.com Mathison's Express Press 1213 NP Avenue Fargo, ND 58102 Mathison's Express Press 109 S. Indiana Sioux Falls, SD 57117 Mathison's Express Press 114 N 4th Street Bismarck, ND 58501 From mikestevens at expresspressusa.com Tue May 15 17:06:45 2007 From: mikestevens at expresspressusa.com (mikestevens@expresspressusa.com) Date: Tue May 15 17:06:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press Message-ID: <917471446@mail.mathisons.com> You have reached Mathison's Express Press. Paul Anstett, President / Owner. Large and Small format color printing, Trade-show displays and graphics, Flatbed printing technology, offset printing, Full service Reprographics. "We can print on virtually anything" For more information about our products and services please e-mail info@mathisons.com or call (800) 437-4744. Visit our website(s) at www.ExpressPressUSA.com and www.Mathisons.com Mathison's Express Press 1213 NP Avenue Fargo, ND 58102 Mathison's Express Press 109 S. Indiana Sioux Falls, SD 57117 Mathison's Express Press 114 N 4th Street Bismarck, ND 58501 From mikestevens at expresspressusa.com Tue May 15 17:07:41 2007 From: mikestevens at expresspressusa.com (mikestevens@expresspressusa.com) Date: Tue May 15 17:07:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press Message-ID: <917471476@mail.mathisons.com> You have reached Mathison's Express Press. Paul Anstett, President / Owner. Large and Small format color printing, Trade-show displays and graphics, Flatbed printing technology, offset printing, Full service Reprographics. "We can print on virtually anything" For more information about our products and services please e-mail info@mathisons.com or call (800) 437-4744. Visit our website(s) at www.ExpressPressUSA.com and www.Mathisons.com Mathison's Express Press 1213 NP Avenue Fargo, ND 58102 Mathison's Express Press 109 S. Indiana Sioux Falls, SD 57117 Mathison's Express Press 114 N 4th Street Bismarck, ND 58501 From mikestevens at expresspressusa.com Tue May 15 17:10:41 2007 From: mikestevens at expresspressusa.com (mikestevens@expresspressusa.com) Date: Tue May 15 17:10:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press Message-ID: <917471572@mail.mathisons.com> You have reached Mathison's Express Press. Paul Anstett, President / Owner. Large and Small format color printing, Trade-show displays and graphics, Flatbed printing technology, offset printing, Full service Reprographics. "We can print on virtually anything" For more information about our products and services please e-mail info@mathisons.com or call (800) 437-4744. Visit our website(s) at www.ExpressPressUSA.com and www.Mathisons.com Mathison's Express Press 1213 NP Avenue Fargo, ND 58102 Mathison's Express Press 109 S. Indiana Sioux Falls, SD 57117 Mathison's Express Press 114 N 4th Street Bismarck, ND 58501 From stumarty at wrightprinting.com Tue May 15 17:11:28 2007 From: stumarty at wrightprinting.com (Stu) Date: Tue May 15 17:11:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press In-Reply-To: <917470243@mail.mathisons.com> References: <917470243@mail.mathisons.com> Message-ID: Does anyone know how I can reach Paul Anstett at Mathison's Express Press? -just old stu- -- =============== SETTING IT WRIGHT: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The odd "W" has always bothered me. A single letter containing three syllables. One has to wonder about the abbreviation "www" for "world wide web." To speak it requires nine syllables to represent what could be spoken in three (or four). - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wright Printing Co. -- Central Illinois' biggest little print shop. 203 North St., Normal, IL 61761 309 452-4409 Fax 452-7422 Personal Mobile Phone: 309 826-1132 (Stu) mailto:stu@wrightprinting.com - http://www.wrightprinting.com From mikestevens at expresspressusa.com Tue May 15 17:14:01 2007 From: mikestevens at expresspressusa.com (mikestevens@expresspressusa.com) Date: Tue May 15 17:14:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press Message-ID: <917471680@mail.mathisons.com> You have reached Mathison's Express Press. Paul Anstett, President / Owner. Large and Small format color printing, Trade-show displays and graphics, Flatbed printing technology, offset printing, Full service Reprographics. "We can print on virtually anything" For more information about our products and services please e-mail info@mathisons.com or call (800) 437-4744. Visit our website(s) at www.ExpressPressUSA.com and www.Mathisons.com Mathison's Express Press 1213 NP Avenue Fargo, ND 58102 Mathison's Express Press 109 S. Indiana Sioux Falls, SD 57117 Mathison's Express Press 114 N 4th Street Bismarck, ND 58501 From mikestevens at expresspressusa.com Tue May 15 17:15:06 2007 From: mikestevens at expresspressusa.com (mikestevens@expresspressusa.com) Date: Tue May 15 17:15:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press Message-ID: <917471715@mail.mathisons.com> You have reached Mathison's Express Press. Paul Anstett, President / Owner. Large and Small format color printing, Trade-show displays and graphics, Flatbed printing technology, offset printing, Full service Reprographics. "We can print on virtually anything" For more information about our products and services please e-mail info@mathisons.com or call (800) 437-4744. Visit our website(s) at www.ExpressPressUSA.com and www.Mathisons.com Mathison's Express Press 1213 NP Avenue Fargo, ND 58102 Mathison's Express Press 109 S. Indiana Sioux Falls, SD 57117 Mathison's Express Press 114 N 4th Street Bismarck, ND 58501 From ncgill at gillprintandgraphics.com Tue May 15 16:28:17 2007 From: ncgill at gillprintandgraphics.com (ncgill@gillprintandgraphics.com) Date: Tue May 15 17:25:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <994d01c7972f$92c3a1a0$6309a8c0@MINIME> No but if you look in the archives you might find out. Nancy Gill GillPrint and Graphics 2310 Park Place Drive Gretna, Louisiana 70056 (504) 392-9600 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Stu Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 5:11 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Does anyone know how I can reach Paul Anstett at Mathison's Express Press? -just old stu- -- =============== SETTING IT WRIGHT: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The odd "W" has always bothered me. A single letter containing three syllables. One has to wonder about the abbreviation "www" for "world wide web." To speak it requires nine syllables to represent what could be spoken in three (or four). - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wright Printing Co. -- Central Illinois' biggest little print shop. 203 North St., Normal, IL 61761 309 452-4409 Fax 452-7422 Personal Mobile Phone: 309 826-1132 (Stu) mailto:stu@wrightprinting.com - http://www.wrightprinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.1/805 - Release Date: 5/15/2007 10:47 AM From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue May 15 17:25:54 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue May 15 17:26:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press In-Reply-To: References: <917470243@mail.mathisons.com> Message-ID: <200705152125.l4FLPv9M032995@i2bnetworks.com> A better question would be: Does Bergey have a cell phone? S. At 02:11 PM 5/15/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Does anyone know how I can reach Paul Anstett at Mathison's Express Press? > > > > -just old stu- >-- > >=============== >SETTING IT WRIGHT: >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >- - - - - - - - - - >The odd "W" has always bothered me. A single letter containing three >syllables. One has to wonder about the abbreviation "www" for "world >wide web." To speak it requires nine syllables to represent what >could be spoken in three (or four). >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >- - - - - - - - - - >Wright Printing Co. -- Central Illinois' biggest little print shop. >203 North St., Normal, IL 61761 309 452-4409 Fax 452-7422 >Personal Mobile Phone: 309 826-1132 (Stu) >mailto:stu@wrightprinting.com - http://www.wrightprinting.com >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2268 (20070515) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From mikestevens at expresspressusa.com Tue May 15 17:27:08 2007 From: mikestevens at expresspressusa.com (mikestevens@expresspressusa.com) Date: Tue May 15 17:27:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press Message-ID: <917472100@mail.mathisons.com> You have reached Mathison's Express Press. Paul Anstett, President / Owner. Large and Small format color printing, Trade-show displays and graphics, Flatbed printing technology, offset printing, Full service Reprographics. "We can print on virtually anything" For more information about our products and services please e-mail info@mathisons.com or call (800) 437-4744. Visit our website(s) at www.ExpressPressUSA.com and www.Mathisons.com Mathison's Express Press 1213 NP Avenue Fargo, ND 58102 Mathison's Express Press 109 S. Indiana Sioux Falls, SD 57117 Mathison's Express Press 114 N 4th Street Bismarck, ND 58501 From mikestevens at expresspressusa.com Tue May 15 17:28:35 2007 From: mikestevens at expresspressusa.com (mikestevens@expresspressusa.com) Date: Tue May 15 17:28:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press Message-ID: <917472145@mail.mathisons.com> You have reached Mathison's Express Press. Paul Anstett, President / Owner. Large and Small format color printing, Trade-show displays and graphics, Flatbed printing technology, offset printing, Full service Reprographics. "We can print on virtually anything" For more information about our products and services please e-mail info@mathisons.com or call (800) 437-4744. Visit our website(s) at www.ExpressPressUSA.com and www.Mathisons.com Mathison's Express Press 1213 NP Avenue Fargo, ND 58102 Mathison's Express Press 109 S. Indiana Sioux Falls, SD 57117 Mathison's Express Press 114 N 4th Street Bismarck, ND 58501 From noel.alford at gmail.com Tue May 15 17:30:13 2007 From: noel.alford at gmail.com (Noel Alford) Date: Tue May 15 17:30:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press In-Reply-To: <200705152125.l4FLPv9M032995@i2bnetworks.com> References: <917470243@mail.mathisons.com> <200705152125.l4FLPv9M032995@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <82db7cdd0705151430g3353740ame8c67fed6670f68c@mail.gmail.com> we could all call the 800 number in the autoresponder email, say in 15 minutes? On 5/15/07, Scott Cappel wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > A better question would be: > > Does Bergey have a cell phone? > > S. > > > > > At 02:11 PM 5/15/2007, you wrote: > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >Does anyone know how I can reach Paul Anstett at Mathison's Express > Press? > > > > > > > > -just old stu- > >-- > > > >=============== > >SETTING IT WRIGHT: > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > >- - - - - - - - - - > >The odd "W" has always bothered me. A single letter containing three > >syllables. One has to wonder about the abbreviation "www" for "world > >wide web." To speak it requires nine syllables to represent what > >could be spoken in three (or four). > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > >- - - - - - - - - - > >Wright Printing Co. -- Central Illinois' biggest little print shop. > >203 North St., Normal, IL 61761 309 452-4409 Fax 452-7422 > >Personal Mobile Phone: 309 826-1132 (Stu) > >mailto:stu@wrightprinting.com - http://www.wrightprinting.com > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > >__________ NOD32 2268 (20070515) Information __________ > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >http://www.eset.com > > > > Scott Cappel > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Noel Alford The Document Imaging Group 401 East Capitol Street Suite 400 Jackson, MS 39201 601.948.1101 From mikestevens at expresspressusa.com Tue May 15 17:31:14 2007 From: mikestevens at expresspressusa.com (mikestevens@expresspressusa.com) Date: Tue May 15 17:31:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press Message-ID: <917472231@mail.mathisons.com> You have reached Mathison's Express Press. Paul Anstett, President / Owner. Large and Small format color printing, Trade-show displays and graphics, Flatbed printing technology, offset printing, Full service Reprographics. "We can print on virtually anything" For more information about our products and services please e-mail info@mathisons.com or call (800) 437-4744. Visit our website(s) at www.ExpressPressUSA.com and www.Mathisons.com Mathison's Express Press 1213 NP Avenue Fargo, ND 58102 Mathison's Express Press 109 S. Indiana Sioux Falls, SD 57117 Mathison's Express Press 114 N 4th Street Bismarck, ND 58501 From mikestevens at expresspressusa.com Tue May 15 17:33:29 2007 From: mikestevens at expresspressusa.com (mikestevens@expresspressusa.com) Date: Tue May 15 17:33:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press Message-ID: <917472302@mail.mathisons.com> You have reached Mathison's Express Press. Paul Anstett, President / Owner. Large and Small format color printing, Trade-show displays and graphics, Flatbed printing technology, offset printing, Full service Reprographics. "We can print on virtually anything" For more information about our products and services please e-mail info@mathisons.com or call (800) 437-4744. Visit our website(s) at www.ExpressPressUSA.com and www.Mathisons.com Mathison's Express Press 1213 NP Avenue Fargo, ND 58102 Mathison's Express Press 109 S. Indiana Sioux Falls, SD 57117 Mathison's Express Press 114 N 4th Street Bismarck, ND 58501 From mikestevens at expresspressusa.com Tue May 15 17:35:39 2007 From: mikestevens at expresspressusa.com (mikestevens@expresspressusa.com) Date: Tue May 15 17:35:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press Message-ID: <917472371@mail.mathisons.com> You have reached Mathison's Express Press. Paul Anstett, President / Owner. Large and Small format color printing, Trade-show displays and graphics, Flatbed printing technology, offset printing, Full service Reprographics. "We can print on virtually anything" For more information about our products and services please e-mail info@mathisons.com or call (800) 437-4744. Visit our website(s) at www.ExpressPressUSA.com and www.Mathisons.com Mathison's Express Press 1213 NP Avenue Fargo, ND 58102 Mathison's Express Press 109 S. Indiana Sioux Falls, SD 57117 Mathison's Express Press 114 N 4th Street Bismarck, ND 58501 From cpurvine1 at cox.net Tue May 15 17:35:37 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Tue May 15 17:36:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press In-Reply-To: <994d01c7972f$92c3a1a0$6309a8c0@MINIME> References: <994d01c7972f$92c3a1a0$6309a8c0@MINIME> Message-ID: <00d501c79738$fc68ae30$0200a8c0@corapurvine> Funny Nancy Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of ncgill@gillprintandgraphics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 3:28 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** No but if you look in the archives you might find out. Nancy Gill GillPrint and Graphics 2310 Park Place Drive Gretna, Louisiana 70056 (504) 392-9600 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Stu Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 5:11 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Does anyone know how I can reach Paul Anstett at Mathison's Express Press? -just old stu- -- =============== SETTING IT WRIGHT: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The odd "W" has always bothered me. A single letter containing three syllables. One has to wonder about the abbreviation "www" for "world wide web." To speak it requires nine syllables to represent what could be spoken in three (or four). - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wright Printing Co. -- Central Illinois' biggest little print shop. 203 North St., Normal, IL 61761 309 452-4409 Fax 452-7422 Personal Mobile Phone: 309 826-1132 (Stu) mailto:stu@wrightprinting.com - http://www.wrightprinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.1/805 - Release Date: 5/15/2007 10:47 AM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2268 (20070515) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From mikestevens at expresspressusa.com Tue May 15 17:37:14 2007 From: mikestevens at expresspressusa.com (mikestevens@expresspressusa.com) Date: Tue May 15 17:37:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press Message-ID: <917472423@mail.mathisons.com> You have reached Mathison's Express Press. Paul Anstett, President / Owner. Large and Small format color printing, Trade-show displays and graphics, Flatbed printing technology, offset printing, Full service Reprographics. "We can print on virtually anything" For more information about our products and services please e-mail info@mathisons.com or call (800) 437-4744. Visit our website(s) at www.ExpressPressUSA.com and www.Mathisons.com Mathison's Express Press 1213 NP Avenue Fargo, ND 58102 Mathison's Express Press 109 S. Indiana Sioux Falls, SD 57117 Mathison's Express Press 114 N 4th Street Bismarck, ND 58501 From mikestevens at expresspressusa.com Tue May 15 17:39:26 2007 From: mikestevens at expresspressusa.com (mikestevens@expresspressusa.com) Date: Tue May 15 17:39:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press Message-ID: <917472493@mail.mathisons.com> You have reached Mathison's Express Press. Paul Anstett, President / Owner. Large and Small format color printing, Trade-show displays and graphics, Flatbed printing technology, offset printing, Full service Reprographics. "We can print on virtually anything" For more information about our products and services please e-mail info@mathisons.com or call (800) 437-4744. Visit our website(s) at www.ExpressPressUSA.com and www.Mathisons.com Mathison's Express Press 1213 NP Avenue Fargo, ND 58102 Mathison's Express Press 109 S. Indiana Sioux Falls, SD 57117 Mathison's Express Press 114 N 4th Street Bismarck, ND 58501 From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Tue May 15 17:44:51 2007 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Tue May 15 17:43:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Perfect Binding - How Many Do It Themselves? In-Reply-To: <000f01c7972f$bf4bee30$6900a8c0@Tom> Message-ID: Tom: We just bought a used Horizon in December and love it. Yes, it's profitable. Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Tom King Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 2:30 PM To: Print Owners Subject: [PrintOwners] Perfect Binding - How Many Do It Themselves? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Just curious. We've always 'sent out' for perfect binding. How many here have your own perfect binding equipment? Is it worth owning? Profitable? Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.0/804 - Release Date: 5/14/2007 4:46 PM From mikestevens at expresspressusa.com Tue May 15 17:43:36 2007 From: mikestevens at expresspressusa.com (mikestevens@expresspressusa.com) Date: Tue May 15 17:43:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press Message-ID: <917472626@mail.mathisons.com> You have reached Mathison's Express Press. Paul Anstett, President / Owner. Large and Small format color printing, Trade-show displays and graphics, Flatbed printing technology, offset printing, Full service Reprographics. "We can print on virtually anything" For more information about our products and services please e-mail info@mathisons.com or call (800) 437-4744. Visit our website(s) at www.ExpressPressUSA.com and www.Mathisons.com Mathison's Express Press 1213 NP Avenue Fargo, ND 58102 Mathison's Express Press 109 S. Indiana Sioux Falls, SD 57117 Mathison's Express Press 114 N 4th Street Bismarck, ND 58501 From mikestevens at expresspressusa.com Tue May 15 17:50:11 2007 From: mikestevens at expresspressusa.com (mikestevens@expresspressusa.com) Date: Tue May 15 17:50:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press Message-ID: <917472837@mail.mathisons.com> You have reached Mathison's Express Press. Paul Anstett, President / Owner. Large and Small format color printing, Trade-show displays and graphics, Flatbed printing technology, offset printing, Full service Reprographics. "We can print on virtually anything" For more information about our products and services please e-mail info@mathisons.com or call (800) 437-4744. Visit our website(s) at www.ExpressPressUSA.com and www.Mathisons.com Mathison's Express Press 1213 NP Avenue Fargo, ND 58102 Mathison's Express Press 109 S. Indiana Sioux Falls, SD 57117 Mathison's Express Press 114 N 4th Street Bismarck, ND 58501 From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue May 15 18:10:46 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue May 15 18:11:02 2007 Subject: How to Stop Mathison BS! Re: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press Message-ID: Well, since the PO list goes for hours if not days totally unmonitored, then it is time for those folks who even care about it, to send an email to: info@mathisons.com and start sending dozens and dozens of emails back to them, telling them what assholes they are and how inconsiderate as well... Oh, be sure to copy their offending email as well that has now appeared more than two dozen times... it appears that every message posted to PO generates another auto-response from Mathison's.... John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From mikestevens at expresspressusa.com Tue May 15 18:12:26 2007 From: mikestevens at expresspressusa.com (mikestevens@expresspressusa.com) Date: Tue May 15 18:12:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press Message-ID: <917473677@mail.mathisons.com> You have reached Mathison's Express Press. Paul Anstett, President / Owner. Large and Small format color printing, Trade-show displays and graphics, Flatbed printing technology, offset printing, Full service Reprographics. "We can print on virtually anything" For more information about our products and services please e-mail info@mathisons.com or call (800) 437-4744. Visit our website(s) at www.ExpressPressUSA.com and www.Mathisons.com Mathison's Express Press 1213 NP Avenue Fargo, ND 58102 Mathison's Express Press 109 S. Indiana Sioux Falls, SD 57117 Mathison's Express Press 114 N 4th Street Bismarck, ND 58501 From mikestevens at expresspressusa.com Tue May 15 18:15:22 2007 From: mikestevens at expresspressusa.com (mikestevens@expresspressusa.com) Date: Tue May 15 18:15:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press Message-ID: <917473771@mail.mathisons.com> You have reached Mathison's Express Press. Paul Anstett, President / Owner. Large and Small format color printing, Trade-show displays and graphics, Flatbed printing technology, offset printing, Full service Reprographics. "We can print on virtually anything" For more information about our products and services please e-mail info@mathisons.com or call (800) 437-4744. Visit our website(s) at www.ExpressPressUSA.com and www.Mathisons.com Mathison's Express Press 1213 NP Avenue Fargo, ND 58102 Mathison's Express Press 109 S. Indiana Sioux Falls, SD 57117 Mathison's Express Press 114 N 4th Street Bismarck, ND 58501 From mikestevens at expresspressusa.com Tue May 15 18:17:33 2007 From: mikestevens at expresspressusa.com (mikestevens@expresspressusa.com) Date: Tue May 15 18:17:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press Message-ID: <917473840@mail.mathisons.com> You have reached Mathison's Express Press. Paul Anstett, President / Owner. Large and Small format color printing, Trade-show displays and graphics, Flatbed printing technology, offset printing, Full service Reprographics. "We can print on virtually anything" For more information about our products and services please e-mail info@mathisons.com or call (800) 437-4744. Visit our website(s) at www.ExpressPressUSA.com and www.Mathisons.com Mathison's Express Press 1213 NP Avenue Fargo, ND 58102 Mathison's Express Press 109 S. Indiana Sioux Falls, SD 57117 Mathison's Express Press 114 N 4th Street Bismarck, ND 58501 From dennis.trump at gmail.com Tue May 15 18:18:16 2007 From: dennis.trump at gmail.com (Dennis Trump) Date: Tue May 15 18:18:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Perfect Binding - How Many Do It Themselves? In-Reply-To: <000f01c7972f$bf4bee30$6900a8c0@Tom> References: <000f01c7972f$bf4bee30$6900a8c0@Tom> Message-ID: <41aa6a080705151518u4c229b2dr4f355bd7a5012154@mail.gmail.com> > Just curious. > > We've always 'sent out' for perfect binding. How many here have your own > perfect binding equipment? Is it worth owning? Profitable? Tom, I've got a used Bourg BB 1000 should you decide your interested. Would work for small quantities. Used very little. -- Dennis Trump Trump Printing & Direct Mail Communications Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 From mikestevens at expresspressusa.com Tue May 15 18:20:13 2007 From: mikestevens at expresspressusa.com (mikestevens@expresspressusa.com) Date: Tue May 15 18:20:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press Message-ID: <917473926@mail.mathisons.com> You have reached Mathison's Express Press. Paul Anstett, President / Owner. Large and Small format color printing, Trade-show displays and graphics, Flatbed printing technology, offset printing, Full service Reprographics. "We can print on virtually anything" For more information about our products and services please e-mail info@mathisons.com or call (800) 437-4744. Visit our website(s) at www.ExpressPressUSA.com and www.Mathisons.com Mathison's Express Press 1213 NP Avenue Fargo, ND 58102 Mathison's Express Press 109 S. Indiana Sioux Falls, SD 57117 Mathison's Express Press 114 N 4th Street Bismarck, ND 58501 From kdahl at mathisons.com Tue May 15 18:20:04 2007 From: kdahl at mathisons.com (Kim Dahl) Date: Tue May 15 18:20:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press annoying e-mails Message-ID: <02ca01c7973f$2ffa86f0$a401a8c0@mathisons.com> I would like to apologize for all the bounce back e-mail's everyone received from the account mikestevens@expresspressusa.com today. We purchased the Express Press printing business from Mike Stevens last October along with the domain. We have just recently discontinued most of the expresspressusa.com e-mail addresses which is why you are receiving these bounce backs to the subscribers list. Hopefully this issue will be resolved very soon. We are sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused. Kim Dahl Vice President Mathison's Express Press kdahl@mathisons.com (800) 437-4744 From mikestevens at expresspressusa.com Tue May 15 18:22:21 2007 From: mikestevens at expresspressusa.com (mikestevens@expresspressusa.com) Date: Tue May 15 18:22:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press Message-ID: <917473994@mail.mathisons.com> You have reached Mathison's Express Press. Paul Anstett, President / Owner. Large and Small format color printing, Trade-show displays and graphics, Flatbed printing technology, offset printing, Full service Reprographics. "We can print on virtually anything" For more information about our products and services please e-mail info@mathisons.com or call (800) 437-4744. Visit our website(s) at www.ExpressPressUSA.com and www.Mathisons.com Mathison's Express Press 1213 NP Avenue Fargo, ND 58102 Mathison's Express Press 109 S. Indiana Sioux Falls, SD 57117 Mathison's Express Press 114 N 4th Street Bismarck, ND 58501 From mikestevens at expresspressusa.com Tue May 15 18:23:56 2007 From: mikestevens at expresspressusa.com (mikestevens@expresspressusa.com) Date: Tue May 15 18:24:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press Message-ID: <917474044@mail.mathisons.com> You have reached Mathison's Express Press. Paul Anstett, President / Owner. Large and Small format color printing, Trade-show displays and graphics, Flatbed printing technology, offset printing, Full service Reprographics. "We can print on virtually anything" For more information about our products and services please e-mail info@mathisons.com or call (800) 437-4744. Visit our website(s) at www.ExpressPressUSA.com and www.Mathisons.com Mathison's Express Press 1213 NP Avenue Fargo, ND 58102 Mathison's Express Press 109 S. Indiana Sioux Falls, SD 57117 Mathison's Express Press 114 N 4th Street Bismarck, ND 58501 From mikestevens at expresspressusa.com Tue May 15 18:26:03 2007 From: mikestevens at expresspressusa.com (mikestevens@expresspressusa.com) Date: Tue May 15 18:26:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press Message-ID: <917474113@mail.mathisons.com> You have reached Mathison's Express Press. Paul Anstett, President / Owner. Large and Small format color printing, Trade-show displays and graphics, Flatbed printing technology, offset printing, Full service Reprographics. "We can print on virtually anything" For more information about our products and services please e-mail info@mathisons.com or call (800) 437-4744. Visit our website(s) at www.ExpressPressUSA.com and www.Mathisons.com Mathison's Express Press 1213 NP Avenue Fargo, ND 58102 Mathison's Express Press 109 S. Indiana Sioux Falls, SD 57117 Mathison's Express Press 114 N 4th Street Bismarck, ND 58501 From kdahl at mathisons.com Tue May 15 18:32:19 2007 From: kdahl at mathisons.com (Kim Dahl) Date: Tue May 15 18:32:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Message-ID: <031501c79740$e63d8100$a401a8c0@mathisons.com> I would like to apologize for all the bounce back e-mail's everyone received from the account mikestevens@expresspressusa.com today. We purchased the Express Press printing business from Mike Stevens last October along with the domain. We have just recently discontinued most of the expresspressusa.com e-mail addresses which is why you are receiving these bounce backs to the subscribers list. We were completely un-aware of this subscription to your discussion list and as soon as we learned of it today, we e-mailed the administrator of the this list to remove this e-mail address. Hopefully this issue will be resolved very soon. We are sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused. Kim Dahl Vice President Mathison's Express Press kdahl@mathisons.com (800) 437-4744 From mikestevens at expresspressusa.com Tue May 15 18:33:58 2007 From: mikestevens at expresspressusa.com (mikestevens@expresspressusa.com) Date: Tue May 15 18:34:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's Express Press Message-ID: <917474365@mail.mathisons.com> You have reached Mathison's Express Press. Paul Anstett, President / Owner. Large and Small format color printing, Trade-show displays and graphics, Flatbed printing technology, offset printing, Full service Reprographics. "We can print on virtually anything" For more information about our products and services please e-mail info@mathisons.com or call (800) 437-4744. Visit our website(s) at www.ExpressPressUSA.com and www.Mathisons.com Mathison's Express Press 1213 NP Avenue Fargo, ND 58102 Mathison's Express Press 109 S. Indiana Sioux Falls, SD 57117 Mathison's Express Press 114 N 4th Street Bismarck, ND 58501 From kdahl at mathisons.com Tue May 15 19:14:54 2007 From: kdahl at mathisons.com (Kim Dahl) Date: Tue May 15 19:15:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fw: Printers list Message-ID: <047901c79746$d93b5e40$a401a8c0@mathisons.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Kim Dahl To: printowners-owner@printweb.org Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 6:09 PM Subject: Printers list When I learned of this list today by accident, due to an auto-response from a disabled e-mail address, I was impressed and interested in joining. This list appeared to be a great tool to communicate and share ideas with other professionals in the printing industry. I immediately signed up to become a member, submitted a request to have the e-mail address in question removed from your list and apologized for any inconvenience the auto-response system caused. I have since received the below two e-mails and similar ones from other members. Quite a disappointment to see this lack of professional courtesy in our industry. Kim Dahl Mathison Company -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- YOUR FUCKING AUTO RESPONSE ALMOST DESTROYS PRINTOWNER LIST! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ----- Original Message ----- From: QKCONSULT@aol.com To: info@mathisons.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 5:06 PM Subject: fucking asshole! Some asshole has turned his auto-respond mode on and is making another enemy every hour! You are responsible for dozens and dozens of auto posts on Printowners: You have reached Mathison's Express Press. Paul Anstett, President / Owner. Large and Small format color printing, Trade-show displays and graphics, Flatbed printing technology, offset printing, Full service Reprographics. "We can print on virtually anything" You have reached Mathison's Express Press. Paul Anstett, President / Owner. Large and Small format color printing, Trade-show displays and graphics, Flatbed printing technology, offset printing, Full service Reprographics. "We can print on virtually anything" John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ See what's free at AOL.com. From printer at ptialaska.net Tue May 15 19:24:59 2007 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Tue May 15 19:25:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fw: Printers list In-Reply-To: <047901c79746$d93b5e40$a401a8c0@mathisons.com> References: <047901c79746$d93b5e40$a401a8c0@mathisons.com> Message-ID: <49AE078A-5275-4917-9EA4-308359251693@ptialaska.net> On May 15, 2007, at 3:14 PM, Kim Dahl wrote: > When I learned of this list today by accident, due to an auto- > response from a disabled e-mail address, I was impressed and > interested in joining. This list appeared to be a great tool to > communicate and share ideas with other professionals in the > printing industry. I immediately signed up to become a member, > submitted a request to have the e-mail address in question removed > from your list and apologized for any inconvenience the auto- > response system caused. > > I have since received the below two e-mails and similar ones from > other members. Quite a disappointment to see this lack of > professional courtesy in our industry. REPLY: Welcome to the list! Don't give up on us, there is a wealth of information available here. We will try to behave ourselves from now on... Have the best week yet... _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From gamble at choiceonemail.com Tue May 15 19:36:47 2007 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Tue May 15 19:36:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fw: Printers list In-Reply-To: <047901c79746$d93b5e40$a401a8c0@mathisons.com> References: <047901c79746$d93b5e40$a401a8c0@mathisons.com> Message-ID: <007801c79749$e7d8a450$0301a8c0@RICK> WOW..Rough Day John. Rick Bird Gamble printing & Mailing Inc. Buffalo NY 14127 (716)662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - fax Gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kim Dahl Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 7:15 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Fw: Printers list ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** ----- Original Message ----- From: Kim Dahl To: printowners-owner@printweb.org Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 6:09 PM Subject: Printers list When I learned of this list today by accident, due to an auto-response from a disabled e-mail address, I was impressed and interested in joining. This list appeared to be a great tool to communicate and share ideas with other professionals in the printing industry. I immediately signed up to become a member, submitted a request to have the e-mail address in question removed from your list and apologized for any inconvenience the auto-response system caused. I have since received the below two e-mails and similar ones from other members. Quite a disappointment to see this lack of professional courtesy in our industry. Kim Dahl Mathison Company ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- YOUR FUCKING AUTO RESPONSE ALMOST DESTROYS PRINTOWNER LIST! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ----- Original Message ----- From: QKCONSULT@aol.com To: info@mathisons.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 5:06 PM Subject: fucking asshole! Some asshole has turned his auto-respond mode on and is making another enemy every hour! You are responsible for dozens and dozens of auto posts on Printowners: You have reached Mathison's Express Press. Paul Anstett, President / Owner. Large and Small format color printing, Trade-show displays and graphics, Flatbed printing technology, offset printing, Full service Reprographics. "We can print on virtually anything" You have reached Mathison's Express Press. Paul Anstett, President / Owner. Large and Small format color printing, Trade-show displays and graphics, Flatbed printing technology, offset printing, Full service Reprographics. "We can print on virtually anything" John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- See what's free at AOL.com. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From John at mpcny.com Tue May 15 19:39:43 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Tue May 15 19:39:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mathison's Express Press annoying e-mails In-Reply-To: <20070515222611.3704F84B9BA@rb.enter.net> References: <20070515222611.3704F84B9BA@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <001b01c7974a$532d72d0$f9885870$@com> The real story I guess is how Mike now longer is the owner Express press, I knew he was merging last fall, but not totally getting out of the business. Was this a poor way to announce his retirement? Maybe he bought not just the car but the whole dealership for mother's day John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.0/804 - Release Date: 5/14/2007 4:46 PM From char at themasterspress.com Tue May 15 19:42:11 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Tue May 15 19:43:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fw: Printers list In-Reply-To: <047901c79746$d93b5e40$a401a8c0@mathisons.com> References: <047901c79746$d93b5e40$a401a8c0@mathisons.com> Message-ID: <000101c7974a$c891a230$0b01a8c0@CharXP> This is absolutely amazing. Kim I am terribly sorry for the way you have been treated by some members of this list. Like in life everyone is not the same. Please don't judge everyone by the few idiots who have no sense. A mistake was made in your change and you should never have been treated like you were. I do hope you will give the list another chance but certainly understand if you don't. I am disgusted by this treatment by my fellow printers. We should be giving you a welcome and how can we help you. I for one welcome you to the industry and to the business, however you got here. I understand you brought out Mike and wish you the best of luck. Sincerely Charlene Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kim Dahl Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 6:15 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Fw: Printers list ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** ----- Original Message ----- From: Kim Dahl To: printowners-owner@printweb.org Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 6:09 PM Subject: Printers list When I learned of this list today by accident, due to an auto-response from a disabled e-mail address, I was impressed and interested in joining. This list appeared to be a great tool to communicate and share ideas with other professionals in the printing industry. I immediately signed up to become a member, submitted a request to have the e-mail address in question removed from your list and apologized for any inconvenience the auto-response system caused. I have since received the below two e-mails and similar ones from other members. Quite a disappointment to see this lack of professional courtesy in our industry. Kim Dahl Mathison Company ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- YOUR FUCKING AUTO RESPONSE ALMOST DESTROYS PRINTOWNER LIST! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ----- Original Message ----- From: QKCONSULT@aol.com To: info@mathisons.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 5:06 PM Subject: fucking asshole! Some asshole has turned his auto-respond mode on and is making another enemy every hour! You are responsible for dozens and dozens of auto posts on Printowners: You have reached Mathison's Express Press. Paul Anstett, President / Owner. Large and Small format color printing, Trade-show displays and graphics, Flatbed printing technology, offset printing, Full service Reprographics. "We can print on virtually anything" You have reached Mathison's Express Press. Paul Anstett, President / Owner. Large and Small format color printing, Trade-show displays and graphics, Flatbed printing technology, offset printing, Full service Reprographics. "We can print on virtually anything" John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- See what's free at AOL.com. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ep101 at technaprint.com Tue May 15 19:58:25 2007 From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson) Date: Tue May 15 19:58:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fw: Printers list In-Reply-To: <047901c79746$d93b5e40$a401a8c0@mathisons.com> Message-ID: > This list appeared to be a great tool to communicate and share ideas with > other professionals in the printing industry. Your initial reaction is the correct one... Kim, at this point you may find this very hard to believe, but most of the people on this forum are stand-up people. I'm going to take a big gulp right now, pause ... and say that John Stewart is too. While I certainly don't condone his actions in the slightest, in the past I've known him to be cordial, knowledgeable, and feel that this was quite out of character for him. Be that as it may, rather than to judge 600-800 shop owners here based on the unfortunate exchange you encountered, I'd encourage you to stay. In the past several years I've been on this forum, I've learned more than I did in the 16 years prior to joining. There is a wealth of experience here, and it is generally pretty civil. Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com From zapit at zapcolor.com Tue May 15 19:59:08 2007 From: zapit at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez) Date: Tue May 15 20:01:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Replaced IR105 and Xerox 5252 In-Reply-To: <20070515204301.1315984AE61@rb.enter.net> References: <20070515204301.1315984AE61@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Well in the last 3 weeks we have had Xerox replace our new 5252 and Canon replaced our 105 Considering all the chatter about other copier companies lately, I thought I would mention that Xerox replaced a 3 month old, brand new machine because service was having issues they couldn't resolve, plus they knew we had had issues with a C500 that never got off the ground. The new machine is running great. Canon needed a bit more prodding, but that was partly our fault, we had the 105 for months, kept having issues, but we had a backup machine we were using. That machine finally left and we made the 105 work or not, then Canon replaced it once everyone saw the service records. It has just been 4 days on the "new" 105, but so far, so good. > Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com From jedwards at printzilla.net Tue May 15 20:03:30 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Tue May 15 20:05:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fw: Printers list In-Reply-To: <000101c7974a$c891a230$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <047901c79746$d93b5e40$a401a8c0@mathisons.com> <000101c7974a$c891a230$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: On May 15, 2007, at 6:42 PM, Charlene Sims wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > This is absolutely amazing. Kim I am terribly sorry for the way > you have > been treated by some members of this list. Some? Only one of those some made to this part of Texas. I didn't get all of them yet, I guess. Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue May 15 20:18:17 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue May 15 20:18:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fw: Printers list Message-ID: In a message dated 5/15/2007 7:44:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, char@themasterspress.com writes: This is absolutely amazing. Kim I am terribly sorry for the way you have been treated by some members of this list. Charlene, With all due respect there is no need or role for you to play in apologizing for emails sent from one private individual to the next. It wasn't some members it was me, at least call a spade a spade. The email was privately by me to the only email address that would not auto-respond. And I did it! It apparently worked because the problem is solved. It we waited for Bob to get off the bus it might have been days! I could really care less whether Kim, Bob, Steve, Mike or anyone else remaining on the list thinks about me and I am sure the feelings are mutual in my regard. The nice thing about reaching this stage in life is that I can do pretty much what I want to do when I want to do it. But, I will nonetheless apologize to Kim for the use of my language. At least it got the auto-responding stopped, albeit with stronger language than was possibly needed. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From stumarty at wrightprinting.com Tue May 15 22:22:01 2007 From: stumarty at wrightprinting.com (Stu) Date: Tue May 15 22:22:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fw: Printers list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kim, Welcome to the PrintOwners list. It has always been a good list, with a wealth of information shared by many. I apologize for my own response when was done in humor, but now I wish I had not sent it. ============ On or about 8:18 PM -0400 5/15/07, QKCONSULT@aol.com emailed the following: >I could really care less whether Kim, Bob, Steve, Mike or anyone else >remaining on the list thinks about me and I am sure the feelings are >mutual in my >regard. The nice thing about reaching this stage in life is that I can do >pretty much what I want to do when I want to do it. John, If this is an example of what you've wanted to do in the past, I am truly disappointed in my misjudgment of you. -just old stu- -- =============== SETTING IT WRIGHT: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - If you try to fail and you succeed, which have you done? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wright Printing Co. -- Central Illinois' biggest little print shop. 203 North St., Normal, IL 61761 309 452-4409 Fax 452-7422 Personal Mobile Phone: 309 826-1132 (Stu) mailto:stu@wrightprinting.com - http://www.wrightprinting.com From info at ultraprinting.com.au Tue May 15 22:41:49 2007 From: info at ultraprinting.com.au (Bob Fawcett) Date: Tue May 15 22:42:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Welcome to the list Kim from "Down Under" Message-ID: <4C0CBEF7-04B1-4A5D-BE10-FD50836496A1@ultraprinting.com.au> Welcome to the Printowners List Kim Participants are all over the world You'll find it informative & very helpful Kind regards Bob Fawcett Ultra Printing, Marketing & Publishing Services Telephone: 61 8 9302 6311 Facsimile: 61 8 9302 6300 Mobile: 0417 930 905 Email: info@ultraprinting.com.au www.ultraprinting.com.au Perth Western Australia Australia From bcreighton at danielsprinting.us Tue May 15 23:54:44 2007 From: bcreighton at danielsprinting.us (Bill Creighton) Date: Tue May 15 23:55:09 2007 Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [PrintOwners] Fw: Printers list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <464A8084.8030300@danielsprinting.us> Stu is a wise man. Stu wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Kim, > > Welcome to the PrintOwners list. It has always been a good list, with > a wealth of information shared by many. I apologize for my own > response when was done in humor, but now I wish I had not sent it. > ============ > > On or about 8:18 PM -0400 5/15/07, QKCONSULT@aol.com emailed the > following: > >> I could really care less whether Kim, Bob, Steve, Mike or anyone else >> remaining on the list thinks about me and I am sure the feelings are >> mutual in my >> regard. The nice thing about reaching this stage in life is that I >> can do >> pretty much what I want to do when I want to do it. > > John, > > If this is an example of what you've wanted to do in the past, I am > truly disappointed in my misjudgment of you. > > -just old stu- -- Bill Creighton Daniels Printing 2141 Priest Bridge Drive #5 Crofton, MD 21114 301.261.3426 bcreighton@danielsprinting.us From thomas_manil_rego at yahoo.com Wed May 16 02:51:28 2007 From: thomas_manil_rego at yahoo.com (Thomas Manil Rego) Date: Wed May 16 02:51:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Perfect Binding - How Many Do It Themselves? In-Reply-To: <000f01c7972f$bf4bee30$6900a8c0@Tom> Message-ID: <844631.91236.qm@web53002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dear Tom. It all depends on the nature of books and the quantity.If you can throw some light on it. Regards Thomas Manil Rego +919845017557 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ From k_graham at hotmail.com Wed May 16 05:05:10 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Wed May 16 05:05:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Replaced IR105 and Xerox 5252 References: <20070515204301.1315984AE61@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: > Well in the last 3 weeks we have had Xerox replace our new 5252 and Canon > replaced our 105 > > Eugene Montanez > ZAP Printing & Graphics Gee Eugene do you think your new building may be getting "Zapped" May be time to consider adding a whole building surge protector and also checking with Electric company in case they have a faulty transformer or something. No subways running past your building creating Voltage spikes with trains passing? We installed here last year, 3 phase Leviton off Ebay was under $200.00 and as much for electrician to install. They are supposed to direct high voltage surges to ground - I don't know if they work but you may remember we had a Motor and board blow on the DI while Presstek technicion was doing final warranty wrap up (before I bought the surge protector) In addition to the hardware above I found the insurance company has a insurance for production equipment - $2000.00 deductible but decided to go with it in case of another 20,000.00 oops. Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika From info at aeroprinting.com Wed May 16 07:49:25 2007 From: info at aeroprinting.com (Carl Core) Date: Wed May 16 07:49:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Oversized Lamination Message-ID: <016f01c797b0$410bd040$6e01a8c0@aero> We have need of ten 15x21" 3 or 5 mil laminations of a map. Does anyone know a wholesale source for this? Carl Core, Jr. Aero Printing, Inc. 710 Elida Ave Delphos, OH 45833 Ph. 419-695-2931 Fax 419-695-9930 info@aeroprinting.com www.aeroprinting.com From jdaghir at gmail.com Wed May 16 09:12:57 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Wed May 16 09:13:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Oversized Lamination In-Reply-To: <016f01c797b0$410bd040$6e01a8c0@aero> References: <016f01c797b0$410bd040$6e01a8c0@aero> Message-ID: <83d5b9620705160612h52f8cf50y3e285c41a0b2994d@mail.gmail.com> Pro Laminators in Sellersburg, IN www.prolaminators.com or Lamco Finishers in Indianapolis, IN www.lamcofinishers.com -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Carl said: > We have need of ten 15x21" 3 or 5 mil laminations of a map. Does anyone know > a wholesale source for this? From segass at heritageprinting.com Wed May 16 09:31:04 2007 From: segass at heritageprinting.com (Steve Gass) Date: Wed May 16 09:31:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fw: Printers list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <02e901c797be$744974e0$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> Good Morning All, So John has rationalized his response. Negative first impressions are hard to overcome. Sorry Kim. Welcome to the list. Now let's get back to printing . . . Thanks, Steve Gass Heritage Printing & Mailing 240-298-0102 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 8:18 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [PrintOwners] Fw: Printers list ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 5/15/2007 7:44:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, char@themasterspress.com writes: This is absolutely amazing. Kim I am terribly sorry for the way you have been treated by some members of this list. Charlene, With all due respect there is no need or role for you to play in apologizing for emails sent from one private individual to the next. It wasn't some members it was me, at least call a spade a spade. The email was privately by me to the only email address that would not auto-respond. And I did it! It apparently worked because the problem is solved. It we waited for Bob to get off the bus it might have been days! I could really care less whether Kim, Bob, Steve, Mike or anyone else remaining on the list thinks about me and I am sure the feelings are mutual in my regard. The nice thing about reaching this stage in life is that I can do pretty much what I want to do when I want to do it. But, I will nonetheless apologize to Kim for the use of my language. At least it got the auto-responding stopped, albeit with stronger language than was possibly needed. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From MikeStevens at Gutenblog.com Wed May 16 09:35:16 2007 From: MikeStevens at Gutenblog.com (Mike Stevens) Date: Wed May 16 09:35:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Yikes, Where Do I Begin? Message-ID: Wow ... I take my eyes of the PrintOwners list for a couple of hours, and all heck breaks loose - with my name attached to it!! I will tell all of you that Kim Dahl at Mathison's is a brainy, tough manager, and she is really good at leading her successful company of about 55-60 employees. She will be a great addition to our list. Please don't judge her by this recent mistake she made - I think she didn't understand how the list worked. As for John Stewart's response, well, I won't judge. But, I will tell you I admire him because you always know where he's coming from. No hidden agendas there. He may be inflammatory at times, but I've said it before and I'll say it again: If I was in a fox hole and we were in a life and death fight to the finish, and I could only have one other soldier in my fox hole, I'd choose John Stewart. I'd probably put a big piece of duct tape over his mouth, but I'd be glad he was in my fox hole! Mike Stevens Fargo, North Dakota From robin at protypeonline.com Wed May 16 10:14:28 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed May 16 10:13:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Perfect Binding - How Many Do It Themselves? Message-ID: <5904954C-2BA0-4450-A8CF-81CAA65BA2BF@protypeonline.com> I bought a used BB3000 (Bourg) last year....we do about 300 -500 perfect bound books per month...we find it very convenient and profitable. Spent about $12,000 for the used machine and we charge about $1/book. We were fortunate to get the exit/converyor/stacker which makes it very easy for one person to operate without having to stop constantly. But, a big beast that puts out quite a bit of heat ....smell has to be vented directly outside. Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From robin at protypeonline.com Wed May 16 10:27:35 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed May 16 10:27:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fw: Printers list Message-ID: <33C333B6-72ED-4367-8E71-787050CD9BD6@protypeonline.com> Kim, I feel very confident in telling you that the views expressed in individual posts represent ONLY that poster's opinion. The posts you refer to, in my opinion, are more than unprofessional, they are immature and should not be tolerated. I will end there before I instigate more discussion on this topic. UNbelievable! Welcome to the list. I was not aware that Mike was selling his printing business. Please share your story, transition issues, how the two businesses found each other, all the details. Many of us on this list are planning exit strategies and/or are always looking for ways to grow through mergers and acquisitions. When you have time and have recovered from your first "meeting" with the "family"....I for one am interested in what you have to share....and if I receive it a few more times than necessary, trust me, I know how to use my delete key and in the scheme of things, it sure won't be the biggest problem I've encountered this week or this month...or even this year. I must end, as my mind is racing and as everyone on this list knows, I can type as fast as I can think/TALK -- embarrassed and ashamed and just mortified...and at a loss for words. I am very sorry. robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Wed May 16 10:46:17 2007 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Wed May 16 10:44:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fw: Printers list In-Reply-To: <02e901c797be$744974e0$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> References: <02e901c797be$744974e0$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> Message-ID: <464B1939.7010205@sugarloafprint.com> Hi Kim Did you know it is against protocol to copy a private email and send it to a public list? Even one like John's. Once upon a time, Bob wouldn't have tolerated this, although I'm sure he would let a NOOB slide the first time. I'm sure once Bob gets off his bus he'll let you know. -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 To Join PONG (PrintOwnersNG): Go to http://groups.google.com/group/PrintOwnersNG From kdahl at mathisons.com Wed May 16 10:47:25 2007 From: kdahl at mathisons.com (Kim Dahl) Date: Wed May 16 10:47:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mathison's (hopefully not a dirty word) Message-ID: <016c01c797c9$1eaa0cb0$a401a8c0@mathisons.com> Thank you to everyone for the welcome--and to John Stewart for his kind apology. We certainly did not anticipate introducing ourselves to any list by an annoying auto-response. However, we did learn of this list yesterday because of it, so to that end are grateful that you informed us of this problem. For the past 49 years Mathison's has been a regional leader in large format color printing and reprographics. We are a member of the Reprographics Services Association and the IRgA. Our capabilities include trade show graphics & displays, flatbed printing, indoor and outdoor signs & banners, and full-service finishing. We also have complete reprographics services at our headquarters in Fargo, ND and our branches in Bismarck, ND and Sioux Falls, SD. In October of 2006, Mathison's added offset printing to our suite of services with our acquisition of Express Press. This has been a great addition to our business and we look forward to learning from all of you! Kim Dahl Mathison's Express Press From acepm2 at gmail.com Wed May 16 10:52:39 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Wed May 16 11:26:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Perfect Binding - How Many Do It Themselves? In-Reply-To: <5904954C-2BA0-4450-A8CF-81CAA65BA2BF@protypeonline.com> References: <5904954C-2BA0-4450-A8CF-81CAA65BA2BF@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: Ok. This is probably a dumb question, but are you using this for pads with chipboard as well? Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing On 5/16/07, Robin Niewold wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I bought a used BB3000 (Bourg) last year....we do about 300 -500 > perfect bound books per month...we find it very convenient and > profitable. > Spent about $12,000 for the used machine and we charge about $1/book. > We were fortunate to get the exit/converyor/stacker which makes it > very easy for one person to operate without having to stop > constantly. But, a big beast that puts out quite a bit of > heat ....smell has to be vented directly outside. > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From mail at myprinter.biz Wed May 16 11:46:42 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Wed May 16 11:46:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fw: Printers list In-Reply-To: <464B1939.7010205@sugarloafprint.com> Message-ID: I tried to start a new list for those of us that don't make errors and was going to invite others to join... ...but found that I had to blacklist myself. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Ron Sardo Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:46 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Fw: Printers list ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hi Kim Did you know it is against protocol to copy a private email and send it to a public list? Even one like John's. Once upon a time, Bob wouldn't have tolerated this, although I'm sure he would let a NOOB slide the first time. I'm sure once Bob gets off his bus he'll let you know. -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 To Join PONG (PrintOwnersNG): Go to http://groups.google.com/group/PrintOwnersNG _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From robin at protypeonline.com Wed May 16 12:28:30 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed May 16 12:27:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Perfect Binding - How Many Do It Themselves? Message-ID: Thom, NO.....just using the BB3000 for perfect binding books but we can use it for for making notepads....I think it is much easier and quicker to make the notepads the old-fashioned way on our paddy wagon. robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From brianoday at eprint.us Wed May 16 14:12:49 2007 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Wed May 16 14:12:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proofing for DPX Message-ID: <009b01c797e5$d09e2ac0$6b01a8c0@Brian> We just purchased a new Cannon 12 color printer. The driver for the DPX Harlequin rip to do Proofs on the cannon is going to cost us $1500. Is there another way to get good accurate proofs without buying this plug-in for the DPX rip? Also has anyone else looked into Smart Tools workflow from Mitsubitsu? If so could you share your opinion. I have been looking into it. It is reasonably priced compared to the One Flow but I am still looking for input on it. I hate to be a Pioneer! Brian O'Day ePrint Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 From kellycrom at gmail.com Wed May 16 14:36:28 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Wed May 16 14:38:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proofing for DPX In-Reply-To: <009b01c797e5$d09e2ac0$6b01a8c0@Brian> References: <009b01c797e5$d09e2ac0$6b01a8c0@Brian> Message-ID: <025801c797e9$1ed1d270$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Does your Harlequin RIP include the TIFF output option?(This would be setup under device manager). If so, here is what we did for proofing to our Epson 4800 from our Xitron(harlequin) rip that drives our platesetter: First, map a network drive to a hotfolder on your Canon(assuming you have that option). Second, set up your TIFF output device on the rip, then create a new Page Setup there for output to the hotfolder. Make sure you have all color management turned off on the rip, so you can control that on the Canon. Then, add the new "printer" you've just created to your workstation, using the print driver for the RIP, not the Canon. That's pretty much it. There's a good chance I may have left some key piece of information out, so feel free to contact me if you need more help. P.S. I learned this process from Steve Mills at one of the first PII/NAQP conferences I attended a couple years ago. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 15724 Wayzata Blvd Wayzata, MN 55391 (952)475-3553 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Brian O'Day > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:13 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: [PrintOwners] Proofing for DPX > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We just purchased a new Cannon 12 color printer. The driver > for the DPX > Harlequin rip to do Proofs on the cannon is going to cost us > $1500. Is there > another way to get good accurate proofs without buying this > plug-in for the > DPX rip? Also has anyone else looked into Smart Tools workflow from > Mitsubitsu? If so could you share your opinion. I have been > looking into it. > It is reasonably priced compared to the One Flow but I am > still looking for > input on it. I hate to be a Pioneer! > > Brian O'Day > ePrint > Portland, Oregon > brianoday@eprint.us > 503-684-2679 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From dominick at fmtc.com Wed May 16 16:14:56 2007 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Wed May 16 15:15:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Supplier Help Message-ID: <464B6640.20701@fmtc.com> I told you all when Carlson Craft bought Regency, there would be nothing but problems. But contrary to my gut instincts, I went ahead and used them. Yesterday I FIRED them. What a bunch of goobers. I am looking for a supplier of "monarch" size envelopes and letterhead in raised print. There is one big "must have" tho.... They must ship or deal with printers on the "west coast". 2 suppliers told me "oh, we don''t ship to your area..." Your help, as the internet is not being my friend, is appreciated. Joe Dominick Dominick's Quick Print, Inc. 542 W Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541-881-1121 Fax 541-881-1599 Ontario's ONLY Adobe Authorized Design Consultants "Publisher Files Welcome Here" "Your Rush, We Deliver" From kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com Wed May 16 15:28:24 2007 From: kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com (Kirk Squiers) Date: Wed May 16 15:28:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fw: Printers list (off) Message-ID: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B109D953@fpserver.FP.local> John Stewart for President!!! Kirk K. Squiers Central Michigan Graphics 1200 E. Oakland Lansing, Michigan 48906 www.centralmichigangraphics.com 517-230-8600 kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 8:18 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Fw: Printers list ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 5/15/2007 7:44:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, char@themasterspress.com writes: This is absolutely amazing. Kim I am terribly sorry for the way you have been treated by some members of this list. Charlene, With all due respect there is no need or role for you to play in apologizing for emails sent from one private individual to the next. It wasn't some members it was me, at least call a spade a spade. The email was privately by me to the only email address that would not auto-respond. And I did it! It apparently worked because the problem is solved. It we waited for Bob to get off the bus it might have been days! I could really care less whether Kim, Bob, Steve, Mike or anyone else remaining on the list thinks about me and I am sure the feelings are mutual in my regard. The nice thing about reaching this stage in life is that I can do pretty much what I want to do when I want to do it. But, I will nonetheless apologize to Kim for the use of my language. At least it got the auto-responding stopped, albeit with stronger language than was possibly needed. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Wed May 16 15:34:37 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed May 16 15:36:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Supplier Help References: <464B6640.20701@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <013e01c797f1$3dc60a90$0300a8c0@DANIEL> > I told you all when Carlson Craft bought Regency, there would be nothing > but problems. But contrary to my gut instincts, I went ahead and used > them. Yesterday I FIRED them. What a bunch of goobers. > There is one big "must have" tho.... They must ship or deal with printers > on the "west coast". 2 suppliers told me "oh, we don''t ship to your > area..." ======================= We use Regency in Tacoma, 800 453-5055 Fax 1-800-578-1958 or 12.service@regencythermo.com they went through some problems in the past, but have been good lately. Which Regency were you using? Or we also use BCT Seattle. 206 343-9355 bctseattle@earthlink.com They are OK. Fairly new owners there too. We really try to print everything in house and talk people out of thermography. And why would a supplier care where they are shipping to? FedEx or UPS even USPS ship world wide. Even way out there in Eastern Oregon. We've shipped to Florida, Virginia, Alaska, Hawaii, etc. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed May 16 15:39:44 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed May 16 15:39:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proofing for DPX In-Reply-To: <009b01c797e5$d09e2ac0$6b01a8c0@Brian> References: <009b01c797e5$d09e2ac0$6b01a8c0@Brian> Message-ID: <200705161939.l4GJdk4C007503@i2bnetworks.com> Our RIP plugin was $2200 to drive an epson 5000 from our Xitron RIP. And that was 5 years ago. You want to do accurate proofs?.....then you send the file from the same RIP to proofer and plate. All it takes is a few large dollar jobs that gets thrown back at you because the color on your proof was not the same as the job because you used two RIPs to get it. Learn the easy way, or learn the hard way. Saving $ isn't the best idea when it comes establishing systems to consistently print accurate color. FWIW. S. At 11:12 AM 5/16/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We just purchased a new Cannon 12 color printer. The driver for the DPX >Harlequin rip to do Proofs on the cannon is going to cost us $1500. Is there >another way to get good accurate proofs without buying this plug-in for the >DPX rip? Also has anyone else looked into Smart Tools workflow from >Mitsubitsu? If so could you share your opinion. I have been looking into it. >It is reasonably priced compared to the One Flow but I am still looking for >input on it. I hate to be a Pioneer! > >Brian O'Day >ePrint >Portland, Oregon >brianoday@eprint.us >503-684-2679 > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2271 (20070516) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From mail at myprinter.biz Wed May 16 15:56:33 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Wed May 16 15:56:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fw: Printers list (off) In-Reply-To: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B109D953@fpserver.FP.local> Message-ID: "John Stewart for President!!!" Kirk Kirk, I asked John about his rumored candidacy (no I didn't - I'm lying), and he told me that if nominated, he will not run, and if elected, he will not serve. He also told me that he'd been approached about a soon-to-be-open part in Law & Order. ..and for those of you that have used this forum rcently to tout the current actor/politician of L & A for a new and loftier role, please remember that he's in favor of us continuing our abjectly failing efforts in a certain middle-eastern country (that will also remain nameless), and that Reagan, after saying that we wouldn't leave Lebanon (just after the bombing of the Marine barracks), pulled us out four months later not because he was a coward, but because he had the good sense - at least on occasion - to recognize errors, rectify them, and pick better hills to defend. I, for one (being the new-age pacifist some think me to be), will gladly vote for anybody that has the cajones to run on a platform of invading northeastern Pakistan - or nuking it so thoroughly that it glows green in the dark of many centuries hence. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Kirk Squiers Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:28 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Fw: Printers list (off) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** K. Squiers Central Michigan Graphics 1200 E. Oakland Lansing, Michigan 48906 www.centralmichigangraphics.com 517-230-8600 kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 8:18 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Fw: Printers list ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 5/15/2007 7:44:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, char@themasterspress.com writes: This is absolutely amazing. Kim I am terribly sorry for the way you have been treated by some members of this list. Charlene, With all due respect there is no need or role for you to play in apologizing for emails sent from one private individual to the next. It wasn't some members it was me, at least call a spade a spade. The email was privately by me to the only email address that would not auto-respond. And I did it! It apparently worked because the problem is solved. It we waited for Bob to get off the bus it might have been days! I could really care less whether Kim, Bob, Steve, Mike or anyone else remaining on the list thinks about me and I am sure the feelings are mutual in my regard. The nice thing about reaching this stage in life is that I can do pretty much what I want to do when I want to do it. But, I will nonetheless apologize to Kim for the use of my language. At least it got the auto-responding stopped, albeit with stronger language than was possibly needed. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kellycrom at gmail.com Wed May 16 15:58:08 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Wed May 16 16:00:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Proofing for DPX In-Reply-To: <200705161939.l4GJdk4C007503@i2bnetworks.com> References: <009b01c797e5$d09e2ac0$6b01a8c0@Brian> <200705161939.l4GJdk4C007503@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <027401c797f4$87963110$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Before we got our epson 4800(and I had learned the TIFF setup from Steve Mills) we also had been using the plugin from Xitron. Honestly, we found the epson plugin and the "ColorPro" setup to be very confusing, and troublesome to setup. The tiff setup I described earlier , in effect, does allow you to send from the same rip to the proofer and platesetter. Also, if you already have the tiff plugin(I think it came standard with many of the harlequin based rips), then there is no need to invest in the proofer plugin(s). Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. 15724 Wayzata Blvd Wayzata, MN 55391 (952)475-3553 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:40 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Proofing for DPX > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Our RIP plugin was $2200 to drive an epson 5000 from our Xitron RIP. > And that was 5 years ago. > > You want to do accurate proofs?.....then you send the file from the > same RIP to proofer and plate. > > All it takes is a few large dollar jobs that gets thrown back at you > because the color on your proof was not the same as the job because > you used two RIPs to get it. > > Learn the easy way, or learn the hard way. Saving $ isn't the best > idea when it comes establishing systems to consistently print > accurate color. > > FWIW. > > S. > > > > > > At 11:12 AM 5/16/2007, you wrote: > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >We just purchased a new Cannon 12 color printer. The driver > for the DPX > >Harlequin rip to do Proofs on the cannon is going to cost us > $1500. Is there > >another way to get good accurate proofs without buying this > plug-in for the > >DPX rip? Also has anyone else looked into Smart Tools workflow from > >Mitsubitsu? If so could you share your opinion. I have been > looking into it. > >It is reasonably priced compared to the One Flow but I am > still looking for > >input on it. I hate to be a Pioneer! > > > >Brian O'Day > >ePrint > >Portland, Oregon > >brianoday@eprint.us > >503-684-2679 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > >__________ NOD32 2271 (20070516) Information __________ > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >http://www.eset.com > > Scott Cappel > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From zapit at zapcolor.com Wed May 16 17:25:27 2007 From: zapit at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez) Date: Wed May 16 17:28:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Replaced IR105 and Xerox 5252 .. Power issues? In-Reply-To: <20070516131308.8F2D884E052@rb.enter.net> References: <20070516131308.8F2D884E052@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Actually Canon figured there might be a problem w/power and brought in a recording power device and guess what, it was the copier. We had our electricians and Xerox measure our power before they would hook it up and verify it was to their specs, which we did change a couple of things, but again it was the machine. I think Xerox could have eventually worked it out, but the parts they were replacing were continuing to come it out of spec, so their only option. Now if we need more of those same parts we may be in trouble! Xerox also knew we had had issues with the K C500 and had it pulled because it couldn't match color. Eugene On May 16, 2007, at 6:13 AM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > >> Well in the last 3 weeks we have had Xerox replace our new 5252 >> and Canon >> replaced our 105 >> >> Eugene Montanez >> ZAP Printing & Graphics > > Gee Eugene do you think your new building may be getting "Zapped" > > May be time to consider adding a whole building surge protector and > also > checking with Electric company in case they have a faulty > transformer or > something. No subways running past your building creating Voltage > spikes > with trains passing? > > We installed here last year, 3 phase Leviton off Ebay was under > $200.00 and > as much for electrician to install. They are supposed to direct > high voltage > surges to ground - I don't know if they work but you may remember > we had a > Motor and board blow on the DI while Presstek technicion was doing > final > warranty wrap up (before I bought the surge protector) > > In addition to the hardware above I found the insurance company > has a > insurance for production equipment - $2000.00 deductible but > decided to go > with it in case of another 20,000.00 oops. > > Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com > CommunityPrinters.com > 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC > V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 > Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com From k_graham at hotmail.com Wed May 16 18:13:39 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Wed May 16 18:13:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Replaced IR105 and Xerox 5252 .. Power issues? References: <20070516131308.8F2D884E052@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: I mention the subways as I recall a technician tell me about a case where some large press would have a problem every time a electric train went by, supposedly it was a magnetic field induced problem. You may notice some electrical lines to phones,computers, monitors have those Ferrite magnet disks, I assume to cut spikes. I guess even Canon and Xerox can have bad days - its how they handle the problem that sets them apart from my experience with Ikon. If I was to check anything regards your power situation it would probably be the Grounding situation. It used to be any computer would have a isolated ground with its own orange plug in, and a separate Ground back to panel for each. All this equipment falls in the same league. I assume though as a newly wired building you should not have any problem. Might pay to check the panel is grounded though to copper pipe or proper grounding rod. As for the Konica, well you know you were not alone - at least that was our experience with the internal RIP unit. Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika List Message ***** > > Actually Canon figured there might be a problem w/power and brought in a > recording power device and guess what, it was the copier. > We had our electricians and Xerox measure our power before they would > hook it up and verify it was to their specs, which we did change a couple > of things, but again it was the machine. > I think Xerox could have eventually worked it out, but the parts they > were replacing were continuing to come it out of spec, so their only > option. Now if we need more of those same parts we may be in trouble! > > Xerox also knew we had had issues with the K C500 and had it pulled > because it couldn't match color. > > Eugene > > > On May 16, 2007, at 6:13 AM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > >> >>> Well in the last 3 weeks we have had Xerox replace our new 5252 and >>> Canon >>> replaced our 105 >>> >>> Eugene Montanez >>> ZAP Printing & Graphics >> >> Gee Eugene do you think your new building may be getting "Zapped" >> >> May be time to consider adding a whole building surge protector and also >> checking with Electric company in case they have a faulty transformer or >> something. No subways running past your building creating Voltage spikes >> with trains passing? >> >> We installed here last year, 3 phase Leviton off Ebay was under $200.00 >> and >> as much for electrician to install. They are supposed to direct high >> voltage >> surges to ground - I don't know if they work but you may remember we had >> a >> Motor and board blow on the DI while Presstek technicion was doing final >> warranty wrap up (before I bought the surge protector) >> >> In addition to the hardware above I found the insurance company has a >> insurance for production equipment - $2000.00 deductible but decided to >> go >> with it in case of another 20,000.00 oops. >> >> Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com >> CommunityPrinters.com >> 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC >> V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 >> Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika > > Eugene Montanez > ZAP Printing & Graphics > 127 Radio Rd > Corona, CA 92879 > 951-734-8181 > > Zapit@zapcolor.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mike at arborprinting.com Wed May 16 18:15:08 2007 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Wed May 16 18:17:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Kinko's / Staples .... do they know how to price??? References: <464B0291.12986.42DE94EC@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <01d801c79807$aa5a5bf0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> I posted this to both lists, because I go responses from both. Last week I was looking for a price on a color copy job, if you remember. 160 originals, 250 or 500 sets. (40,000 or 80,000 copies), slipsheeted, from a file. I called Kinko's and I actually got a CSR who asked a lot of good questions, and I got these prices. These are the actual way the prices were presented to me. 250 sets of 160 originals, (40,000) copies, slipsheeted: Normal price: $35,600.00 Discount - 21,790.00 Discounted price 13,810.00 Tax + 586.93 Net Price $14,396.93 500 sets of 160 originals, (80,000) copies, slipsheeted: Normal price: $68,530.00 Discount - 42,350.00 Discounted price 26,080.00 Tax + 1114.14 Net Price $27,194.14 It's kind of like telling your customer your letterhead is 989.00, but we will discount it to 395.00. The CSR said I could call back and talk to the manager, who was out at the time to see if I "could get a better deal." I didn't. I guess the people who go there just don't know any better. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. www.arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Blatman" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:09 PM Subject: [PONG] - Re: Kinko's / Staples .... do they know how to price??? > > A while ago, Kinkos went to a "one price regardless of quantity" > scheme, but there were still "volume discounts" used at the option of > the csr quoting the job. Have these all gone out the window, or are > we just seeing anecdotes, rather than data? > > Steve > > >> On 5/16/07, Thom Gulyas wrote: >> > >> > Staples Card stock >> > 2500...1475.00 >> > 3000...1770.00 >> > each...0.59 >> > >> > >> > laser stock >> > each...0.39 >> > 2500...975.00 >> > 3000...1170.00 >> > >> Coincidentally, just two minutes ago, I got an order for 4/4 brochures >> from >> a local retailer, who told me they were regularly getting them at Staples >> for 78 cents each + 2 cents for folding in quantities of 100, but that >> Staples had just raised their price by 40 cents each (i.e., apparently to >> 59 >> cents per side). >> >> Because all quantities are the same price at Staples, I quoted a price >> for >> 500, which was well below Staples' $600 for same. >> >> Yes, it's good to know about these new pricing schemes of theirs. >> >> >> >> -- >> > Michael Vogel >> > Sir Speedy Printing >> > 9 Research Drive >> > Milford, CT 06460 >> > tel 203-877-1231 >> > fax 203-878-2679 >> > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com >> > www.eSirSpeedy.com >> > >> > =================================== >> > If you can do a half-assed job of anything, you're >> > a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind. >> > ~ Kurt Vonnegut >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> __________ NOD32 2271 (20070516) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ > You received this because you are subscribed to "PrintOwnersNG" group > To start a NEW topic, address an email to PrintOwnersNG@googlegroups.com > To UNsubscribe, send email to PrintOwnersNG-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > This Group has archives that actually work. > Use the ARCHIVES at http://groups.google.com/group/PrintOwnersNG > > To Join PONG (PrintOwnersNG): > Go to http://groups.google.com/group/PrintOwnersNG > -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- > > From k_graham at hotmail.com Thu May 17 00:26:20 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Thu May 17 00:27:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Kinko's / Staples .... do they know how toprice??? References: <464B0291.12986.42DE94EC@slb.inkspot.net> <01d801c79807$aa5a5bf0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: > Normal price: $35,600.00 > Discount - 21,790.00 > Discounted price 13,810.00 > Tax + 586.93 > Net Price $14,396.93 on 40,000 copies that is 34.5 cents each is that for 8.5x11 single sided? Our 2nd store manager called today, a client has told him Staples offered 19.5 cent color copies on a 300 set order, over 19,000 copies., publisher file. They are advertising 50 cent copies so this seems quite a reduction. With 9.5 cents click charge I wouldn't want to match but 2 up I will, but I want to see the quote. Now the question is what paper are they using, 24# laser or 20# copy paper. Incidentally 19.5 cents Canadian is 17.7 cents U.S.. Staples here has been open about 6 months. Not sure what pricing grid to go with if I am going to match these guys, seems like were going to have to use a similar strategy though - ie We have the best price, if not we'll match. This is starting to look a lot like farming :( Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika From dominick at fmtc.com Thu May 17 02:03:40 2007 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Thu May 17 01:03:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Kinko's / Staples . do they know how to price??? In-Reply-To: References: <464B0291.12986.42DE94EC@slb.inkspot.net> <01d801c79807$aa5a5bf0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: <464BF03C.4080901@fmtc.com> Not to be the bad guy here, but are you going after customers based on price? I quit comparing to Stinkos, based on comments on this list. I am after quality customers. Like today, I quoted 4000 11" astrobrite green 60# at $390. Customer said I was $250 higher than Stinkos. I said "by now". I have been pressing value and quality for the last 3 years, and it is paying off well today. I am no longer the "lowest" price, but am perceived as "it will be right, look good and be on time, the first time". It took this list to teach me this philosophy. Now I am busier than I was 3 years ago. I have even started adding extra charges that I never thought I could before. Such as shrink wrapping. Did you know it costs 38 cents with labor to wrap a package? Well, I didn't either, and neither does the customer, its now added in. As for your comment about matching the horribly low price of 19 cents per color copy, why bother? Did you factor your labor, machine cost, cutting time, wrapping? You all have got to quit working for free! Just my random thoughts after a full day of cranking digital and presses. We sent out one job of 4000 11 x 17 color copies today. Each one perfect, and charged 65 cents each. Customer happy because they were done in 12 hours, Owner happy because it was a beautiful job, on time, with profit. Well, the machine just ran out of paper again. It is running 40,000 black and white 8.5 x 11" at 8 cents each. This one is due at 7 am tomorrow, and it came in at 5:15 tonight. Remember - value, quality, on time, the first time! Joe Dominick Dominick's Quick Print, Inc. 542 W Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541-881-1121 Fax 541-881-1599 Ontario's ONLY Adobe Authorized Design Consultants "2007 Publisher Files Welcome Here" "Your Rush, We Deliver" k_graham@hotmail.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> Normal price: $35,600.00 >> Discount - 21,790.00 >> Discounted price 13,810.00 >> Tax + 586.93 >> Net Price $14,396.93 > > on 40,000 copies that is 34.5 cents each is that for 8.5x11 single sided? > > Our 2nd store manager called today, a client has told him Staples > offered 19.5 cent color copies on a 300 set order, over 19,000 copies., > publisher file. They are advertising 50 cent copies so this seems quite > a reduction. With 9.5 cents click charge I wouldn't want to match but 2 > up I will, but I want to see the quote. Now the question is what paper > are they using, 24# laser or 20# copy paper. > > Incidentally 19.5 cents Canadian is 17.7 cents U.S.. Staples here has > been open about 6 months. > > Not sure what pricing grid to go with if I am going to match these guys, > seems like were going to have to use a similar strategy though - ie We > have the best price, if not we'll match. > > This is starting to look a lot like farming :( > > Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com > CommunityPrinters.com > 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC > V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 > Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From k_graham at hotmail.com Thu May 17 02:56:06 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Thu May 17 02:56:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Kinko's / Staples . do they know how to price??? References: <464B0291.12986.42DE94EC@slb.inkspot.net> <01d801c79807$aa5a5bf0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> <464BF03C.4080901@fmtc.com> Message-ID: Perhaps its the thought this Xerox 250 can make the copies as well as you've just stated. Sorry I'm seeing color copies as commodities, just like farming so many years ago. We'll continue to make good margin on them turned into cards, etc. Also ideally on a product I would like to bring to partner up with and bring to market, doing the printing of course. Sounds like we are not as busy as you right now, I'm willing to match this written quote just to see if its true. If I had my copier running all night perhaps I'd have a different attitude. My quotes are higher but yes at the moment I will match. Funny but our paper saleman said the shops have been slow, blaming it on the overheated oil economy. Everything selling, not enough workers, why advertise. Form business to the oil patch has been the brightest spot. Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika > Just my random thoughts after a full day of cranking digital and presses. > We sent out one job of 4000 11 x 17 color copies today. Each one perfect, > and charged 65 cents each. Customer happy because they were done in 12 > hours, Owner happy because it was a beautiful job, on time, with profit. > > Well, the machine just ran out of paper again. It is running 40,000 black > and white 8.5 x 11" at 8 cents each. This one is due at 7 am tomorrow, and > it came in at 5:15 tonight. > > Remember - value, quality, on time, the first time! > > Joe Dominick > Dominick's Quick Print, Inc. > 542 W Idaho Avenue > Ontario Oregon 97914 > 541-881-1121 > Fax 541-881-1599 > > Ontario's ONLY Adobe Authorized Design Consultants > > "2007 Publisher Files Welcome Here" > > "Your Rush, We Deliver" > > > > k_graham@hotmail.com wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>> Normal price: $35,600.00 >>> Discount - 21,790.00 >>> Discounted price 13,810.00 >>> Tax + 586.93 >>> Net Price $14,396.93 >> >> on 40,000 copies that is 34.5 cents each is that for 8.5x11 single sided? >> >> Our 2nd store manager called today, a client has told him Staples offered >> 19.5 cent color copies on a 300 set order, over 19,000 copies., >> publisher file. They are advertising 50 cent copies so this seems quite a >> reduction. With 9.5 cents click charge I wouldn't want to match but 2 up >> I will, but I want to see the quote. Now the question is what paper are >> they using, 24# laser or 20# copy paper. >> >> Incidentally 19.5 cents Canadian is 17.7 cents U.S.. Staples here has >> been open about 6 months. >> >> Not sure what pricing grid to go with if I am going to match these guys, >> seems like were going to have to use a similar strategy though - ie We >> have the best price, if not we'll match. >> >> This is starting to look a lot like farming :( >> >> Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com >> CommunityPrinters.com >> 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC >> V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 >> Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From craig at portageprinting.com Thu May 17 08:40:23 2007 From: craig at portageprinting.com (Craig Vestal) Date: Thu May 17 09:14:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Public Relations and free advertising Message-ID: <002001c79885$573c7240$0400000a@CraigNotebook> I started my shop in a strip mall, and soon outgrew both the space and the concept. I traded my lease for a mortgage on a building nearby that belonged to a paint and glass store that wanted in the mall. The building itself was the right size and location, but had originally been a carpet store. Miles of orange and brown carpet covered the floors and most of the walls that did not already sport dark "walnut" paneling. To get rid of the creepy 1970s ambiance, we replaced many of the details and fixtures. Inside we have big fat baseboards and trim, and those heavy wood doors with chicken wire inside the mottled safety glass. There is a brass rail running the length of our 30 ft front counter (made from cast-off maple and concrete lab tables ) and our ID signs outdoors were rescued from a demolished motel and a diner. They look good with the painted concrete flamingos and parking meters in the lot. Below is a press release from the local Historic Preservation Commission, who surprised me last week with an award. Craig Vestal President Portage Printing 1116 W Centre, Portage, MI 49024 269.323.9333 PortagePrinting.com Craig Vestal, owner of Portage Printing, is this year's winner of the Portage Historic District Commission's Preservation Award. Vestal is set to receive the honor at the annual Historic Homeowners Gathering 6:30 p.m. Thursday at the Stuart Manor at Celery Flats. Vestal is being honored for his preservation efforts, not just in Portage but in Schoolcraft where he is living. He has owned Portage Printing for nearly 21 years. The building on West Centre Avenue was once a Mobile Carpet Hut store. Vestal, known for his sense of humor, said, ``We preserved a pole barn.'' But it was more than that. The interior doors and trim were salvaged from the Heritage Company in Kalamazoo, to achieve an older look inside the building. The ambience was further enhanced by using salvaged furniture and printing equipment. Some of the printing equipment is still in use. The Preservation Award says that Vestal ``goes with reusing what is available rather than using new resources, often cheaper looking materials.'' Also at Portage Printing, he used ``recycled'' items from other places for exterior features: salvages signs such as a street sign rescued from Ann Arbor, currently by the roadside, and the neon sign on the building that came from the demolished former Rest Well Motel in Portage. The sign was altered to refer to Portage Printing service. Vestal has also rehabbed a house in Kalamazoo and currently lives in Schoolcraft in the home known as the ``Dr Nathan Thomas House,'' ``Craig has contributed to historic preservation in Portage through his creativity and attitude towards preserving history,'' the proclamation to him says. From mike at arborprinting.com Thu May 17 09:36:09 2007 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Thu May 17 09:39:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Kinko's / Staples . do they know how to price??? References: <464B0291.12986.42DE94EC@slb.inkspot.net> <01d801c79807$aa5a5bf0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> <464BF03C.4080901@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <002501c79888$5466b5a0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> We never go after customers on price. In a perfect world, price would never be an issue. However, it never hurts to know what others are charging, even Kinko's & Office Depot. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. www.arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dominick's Printing" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 1:03 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Kinko's / Staples . do they know how to price??? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Not to be the bad guy here, but are you going after customers based on > price? I quit comparing to Stinkos, based on comments on this list. I am > after quality customers. > > Like today, I quoted 4000 11" astrobrite green 60# at $390. Customer said > I was $250 higher than Stinkos. I said "by now". > > I have been pressing value and quality for the last 3 years, and it is > paying off well today. I am no longer the "lowest" price, but am perceived > as "it will be right, look good and be on time, the first time". It took > this list to teach me this philosophy. Now I am busier than I was 3 years > ago. > > I have even started adding extra charges that I never thought I could > before. Such as shrink wrapping. Did you know it costs 38 cents with labor > to wrap a package? Well, I didn't either, and neither does the customer, > its now added in. > > As for your comment about matching the horribly low price of 19 cents per > color copy, why bother? Did you factor your labor, machine cost, cutting > time, wrapping? You all have got to quit working for free! > > Just my random thoughts after a full day of cranking digital and presses. > We sent out one job of 4000 11 x 17 color copies today. Each one perfect, > and charged 65 cents each. Customer happy because they were done in 12 > hours, Owner happy because it was a beautiful job, on time, with profit. > > Well, the machine just ran out of paper again. It is running 40,000 black > and white 8.5 x 11" at 8 cents each. This one is due at 7 am tomorrow, and > it came in at 5:15 tonight. > > Remember - value, quality, on time, the first time! > > Joe Dominick > Dominick's Quick Print, Inc. > 542 W Idaho Avenue > Ontario Oregon 97914 > 541-881-1121 > Fax 541-881-1599 > > Ontario's ONLY Adobe Authorized Design Consultants > > "2007 Publisher Files Welcome Here" > > "Your Rush, We Deliver" > > > > k_graham@hotmail.com wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>> Normal price: $35,600.00 >>> Discount - 21,790.00 >>> Discounted price 13,810.00 >>> Tax + 586.93 >>> Net Price $14,396.93 >> >> on 40,000 copies that is 34.5 cents each is that for 8.5x11 single sided? >> >> Our 2nd store manager called today, a client has told him Staples offered >> 19.5 cent color copies on a 300 set order, over 19,000 copies., >> publisher file. They are advertising 50 cent copies so this seems quite a >> reduction. With 9.5 cents click charge I wouldn't want to match but 2 up >> I will, but I want to see the quote. Now the question is what paper are >> they using, 24# laser or 20# copy paper. >> >> Incidentally 19.5 cents Canadian is 17.7 cents U.S.. Staples here has >> been open about 6 months. >> >> Not sure what pricing grid to go with if I am going to match these guys, >> seems like were going to have to use a similar strategy though - ie We >> have the best price, if not we'll match. >> >> This is starting to look a lot like farming :( >> >> Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com >> CommunityPrinters.com >> 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC >> V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 >> Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mike at arborprinting.com Thu May 17 09:41:58 2007 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Thu May 17 09:44:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Kinko's / Staples .... do they know howtoprice??? References: <464B0291.12986.42DE94EC@slb.inkspot.net><01d801c79807$aa5a5bf0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: <003201c79889$23fe2c30$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> I wouldn't even think of matching a price if I couldn't make a decent profit.. I saw a cartoon once, with 2 bums sitting on a park bench. Said one bum to the other, " I used to be the biggest discount printer in town, untill I went out of business". I never forgot that. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. www.arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re: Kinko's / Staples .... do they know howtoprice??? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> Normal price: $35,600.00 >> Discount - 21,790.00 >> Discounted price 13,810.00 >> Tax + 586.93 >> Net Price $14,396.93 > > on 40,000 copies that is 34.5 cents each is that for 8.5x11 single sided? > > Our 2nd store manager called today, a client has told him Staples offered > 19.5 cent color copies on a 300 set order, over 19,000 copies., publisher > file. They are advertising 50 cent copies so this seems quite a reduction. > With 9.5 cents click charge I wouldn't want to match but 2 up I will, but > I want to see the quote. Now the question is what paper are they using, > 24# laser or 20# copy paper. > > Incidentally 19.5 cents Canadian is 17.7 cents U.S.. Staples here has > been open about 6 months. > > Not sure what pricing grid to go with if I am going to match these guys, > seems like were going to have to use a similar strategy though - ie We > have the best price, if not we'll match. > > This is starting to look a lot like farming :( > > Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com > CommunityPrinters.com > 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC > V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 > Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From k_graham at hotmail.com Thu May 17 10:00:30 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Thu May 17 10:00:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon iR105 Service Technician Screens. References: <20070514151134.75EFC845799@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: >> >> Does anyone have the instructions to access the codes on other Canon >> products, such as 8500 and 3200's. >> For those having troubles with my instructions to see the service screens on Image Runners, I am re-wording it press the * key press the 2 and 8 key at same time 28 press the * key under copier counter tab is the following PRDC-1 DRBL-1 DRBL-2 Under those are percent wear settings for various components. Generally they should be under 100% though it is possible a longer lasting part may be available that lets them go higher and they may get over 100% before a problem occurs but once that happens the part should be replaced. I doubt anything should be over 200% wear, I leave it to Canon or Ikon to challenge that. Ikon given me excuses like our technician may have forgot, or we agreed a maintenance ageement but its up to us to decide when the parts need replacing. Great so lets let the whole world know before they buy a copier from you. I used digital camera and I think no flash - it takes a few tries. Of course they could reset the counters and not do the service but of course they did not expect you to look. I hope you don't have service technicians like I did but if you do, I hope you post them on the copier site. http://groups.google.com/group/ColorCopier and mention on Print owners and PONG. From priorityprinting at comcast.net Thu May 17 10:00:54 2007 From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net) Date: Thu May 17 10:01:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Kinko's / Staples .... do they know howtoprice??? Message-ID: <051720071400.12662.464C6016000056E90000317622007504380902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Unfortunately my print shop is located in the economic wasteland (Flint, Michigan). We used to build cars here many years ago. Yesterday someone walked in to my shop and wanted a price on business cards. She told me that she could get the cards cheaper from another printer 60 miles away. I refused to match the price so she told me she was going to drive there to save money. The mentality of the price shopper continually astounds me. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Mike@arborprinting.com" > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I wouldn't even think of matching a price if I couldn't make a decent > profit.. > I saw a cartoon once, with 2 bums sitting on a park bench. Said one bum to > the other, " I used to be the biggest discount printer in town, untill I > went out of business". I never forgot that. > Thanks, > > > Michael Shuta > Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. > www.arborprinting.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:26 PM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re: Kinko's / Staples .... do they know > howtoprice??? > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >> Normal price: $35,600.00 > >> Discount - 21,790.00 > >> Discounted price 13,810.00 > >> Tax + 586.93 > >> Net Price $14,396.93 > > > > on 40,000 copies that is 34.5 cents each is that for 8.5x11 single sided? > > > > Our 2nd store manager called today, a client has told him Staples offered > > 19.5 cent color copies on a 300 set order, over 19,000 copies., publisher > > file. They are advertising 50 cent copies so this seems quite a reduction. > > With 9.5 cents click charge I wouldn't want to match but 2 up I will, but > > I want to see the quote. Now the question is what paper are they using, > > 24# laser or 20# copy paper. > > > > Incidentally 19.5 cents Canadian is 17.7 cents U.S.. Staples here has > > been open about 6 months. > > > > Not sure what pricing grid to go with if I am going to match these guys, > > seems like were going to have to use a similar strategy though - ie We > > have the best price, if not we'll match. > > > > This is starting to look a lot like farming :( > > > > Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com > > CommunityPrinters.com > > 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC > > V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 > > Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From armand at curryonline.com Thu May 17 10:04:43 2007 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Thu May 17 10:04:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Kinko's / Staples . do they know how to price??? In-Reply-To: <002501c79888$5466b5a0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: <0MKpCa-1Hogb13wfB-0001ej@mrelay.perfora.net> You CAN use price to your advantage if your customer says you are higher than the competitor (like Kinko's) but you can prove that you are not. The problem we have with Kinko's is that people view them as a less expensive alternative to using our full service operations but often times they are not less expensive. When this occurs, we have to bring up price but do so to YOUR advantage. Prove to the customer that you are not more expensive than Kinko's and then make sure you emphasize the great service and quality you can deliver. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mike@arborprinting.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:36 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re: Kinko's / Staples . do they know how to price??? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We never go after customers on price. In a perfect world, price would never be an issue. However, it never hurts to know what others are charging, even Kinko's & Office Depot. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. www.arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dominick's Printing" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 1:03 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Kinko's / Staples . do they know how to price??? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Not to be the bad guy here, but are you going after customers based on > price? I quit comparing to Stinkos, based on comments on this list. I am > after quality customers. > > Like today, I quoted 4000 11" astrobrite green 60# at $390. Customer said > I was $250 higher than Stinkos. I said "by now". > > I have been pressing value and quality for the last 3 years, and it is > paying off well today. I am no longer the "lowest" price, but am perceived > as "it will be right, look good and be on time, the first time". It took > this list to teach me this philosophy. Now I am busier than I was 3 years > ago. > > I have even started adding extra charges that I never thought I could > before. Such as shrink wrapping. Did you know it costs 38 cents with labor > to wrap a package? Well, I didn't either, and neither does the customer, > its now added in. > > As for your comment about matching the horribly low price of 19 cents per > color copy, why bother? Did you factor your labor, machine cost, cutting > time, wrapping? You all have got to quit working for free! > > Just my random thoughts after a full day of cranking digital and presses. > We sent out one job of 4000 11 x 17 color copies today. Each one perfect, > and charged 65 cents each. Customer happy because they were done in 12 > hours, Owner happy because it was a beautiful job, on time, with profit. > > Well, the machine just ran out of paper again. It is running 40,000 black > and white 8.5 x 11" at 8 cents each. This one is due at 7 am tomorrow, and > it came in at 5:15 tonight. > > Remember - value, quality, on time, the first time! > > Joe Dominick > Dominick's Quick Print, Inc. > 542 W Idaho Avenue > Ontario Oregon 97914 > 541-881-1121 > Fax 541-881-1599 > > Ontario's ONLY Adobe Authorized Design Consultants > > "2007 Publisher Files Welcome Here" > > "Your Rush, We Deliver" > > > > k_graham@hotmail.com wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>> Normal price: $35,600.00 >>> Discount - 21,790.00 >>> Discounted price 13,810.00 >>> Tax + 586.93 >>> Net Price $14,396.93 >> >> on 40,000 copies that is 34.5 cents each is that for 8.5x11 single sided? >> >> Our 2nd store manager called today, a client has told him Staples offered >> 19.5 cent color copies on a 300 set order, over 19,000 copies., >> publisher file. They are advertising 50 cent copies so this seems quite a >> reduction. With 9.5 cents click charge I wouldn't want to match but 2 up >> I will, but I want to see the quote. Now the question is what paper are >> they using, 24# laser or 20# copy paper. >> >> Incidentally 19.5 cents Canadian is 17.7 cents U.S.. Staples here has >> been open about 6 months. >> >> Not sure what pricing grid to go with if I am going to match these guys, >> seems like were going to have to use a similar strategy though - ie We >> have the best price, if not we'll match. >> >> This is starting to look a lot like farming :( >> >> Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com >> CommunityPrinters.com >> 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC >> V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 >> Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From hal at pickimp.com Thu May 17 10:41:53 2007 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Thu May 17 10:41:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Kinko's / Staples .... do they knowhowtoprice??? References: <051720071400.12662.464C6016000056E90000317622007504380902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <014201c79891$95305100$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Or any other city in Michigan, our economy ranks at 50. Unemployment ranks as #1 Home repossession ranks #1 Hal Wendt IMP Printing & Graphics Design Southgate, Michigan USA From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Thu May 17 11:08:34 2007 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Thu May 17 11:17:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Kinko's / Staples .... do they know how toprice??? In-Reply-To: References: <464B0291.12986.42DE94EC@slb.inkspot.net> <01d801c79807$aa5a5bf0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: <53212EEE-51B4-42AE-879C-3811B510292F@bellsouth.net> Ken, While some printers won't match this price, I would in a heartbeat. Yes, my regular pricing would be higher. And my CSR's use the higher price. We get many jobs at the higher price. Each morning I review the previous day's quotes and follow up where appropriate. In these followups I stress our quality and price, but if I find out they are shopping, I mention that we will gladly beat anyone's price. Just let review the quote to make sure we are comparing apples to apples. Converting to US dollars (OK, this is a guess but it looks like US dollars are around 90% of Canadian dollars) I come up with the following. I based it on 64 originals, 300 sets for a total of 19,200 copies. .177? per 8.5 x 11 = .354? for 11 x 17 9600 impressions x .354? = $3398.40 Click cost (yours) .086? x 9600 = $825.60 Paper cost (mine) = $326.59 Total leftover after click & paper cost = $2246.21 Time to run (on our copier) 6.15 hours. Assuming actual time of 7 hours this would equal $320.89 per hour after direct costs. Of course, you already know this, which is why you said you would match it. Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On May 17, 2007, at 12:26 AM, wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> Normal price: $35,600.00 >> Discount - 21,790.00 >> Discounted price 13,810.00 >> Tax + 586.93 >> Net Price $14,396.93 > > on 40,000 copies that is 34.5 cents each is that for 8.5x11 single > sided? > > Our 2nd store manager called today, a client has told him Staples > offered 19.5 cent color copies on a 300 set order, over 19,000 > copies., publisher file. They are advertising 50 cent copies so > this seems quite a reduction. With 9.5 cents click charge I > wouldn't want to match but 2 up I will, but I want to see the > quote. Now the question is what paper are they using, 24# laser or > 20# copy paper. > > Incidentally 19.5 cents Canadian is 17.7 cents U.S.. Staples here > has been open about 6 months. > > Not sure what pricing grid to go with if I am going to match these > guys, seems like were going to have to use a similar strategy > though - ie We have the best price, if not we'll match. > > This is starting to look a lot like farming :( > > Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com > CommunityPrinters.com > 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC > V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 > Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From ron at printingconcepts.com Thu May 17 12:41:05 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Thu May 17 11:36:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Kinko's / Staples .... do they know howtoprice??? In-Reply-To: <53212EEE-51B4-42AE-879C-3811B510292F@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: One thing not mentioned here is Kinko's pricing gimmicks: charge a very low price on a "bellwhether" item, an item that people understand or use to gauge whether they think a price is competitive; like 8.5 x 11 copies, BUT, then charge a very high price for anything that deviates from that. On B&W copies I have seen them add 4 cents each to add color paper, which we all know costs about 1/2 cent more. They have a right to charge whatever they please, just these things can be pointed out to the customer when comparing apples to apples. Take a look at what they charge for folding, etc. With all the complexity and choices for today's consumer, it is difficult for most people to fill up their head with a good understanding of what most things cost. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Ben Travis Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 11:09 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re: Kinko's / Staples .... do they know howtoprice??? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Ken, While some printers won't match this price, I would in a heartbeat. Yes, my regular pricing would be higher. And my CSR's use the higher price. We get many jobs at the higher price. Each morning I review the previous day's quotes and follow up where appropriate. In these followups I stress our quality and price, but if I find out they are shopping, I mention that we will gladly beat anyone's price. Just let review the quote to make sure we are comparing apples to apples. Converting to US dollars (OK, this is a guess but it looks like US dollars are around 90% of Canadian dollars) I come up with the following. I based it on 64 originals, 300 sets for a total of 19,200 copies. .177? per 8.5 x 11 = .354? for 11 x 17 9600 impressions x .354? = $3398.40 Click cost (yours) .086? x 9600 = $825.60 Paper cost (mine) = $326.59 Total leftover after click & paper cost = $2246.21 Time to run (on our copier) 6.15 hours. Assuming actual time of 7 hours this would equal $320.89 per hour after direct costs. Of course, you already know this, which is why you said you would match it. Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On May 17, 2007, at 12:26 AM, wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> Normal price: $35,600.00 >> Discount - 21,790.00 >> Discounted price 13,810.00 >> Tax + 586.93 >> Net Price $14,396.93 > > on 40,000 copies that is 34.5 cents each is that for 8.5x11 single > sided? > > Our 2nd store manager called today, a client has told him Staples > offered 19.5 cent color copies on a 300 set order, over 19,000 > copies., publisher file. They are advertising 50 cent copies so > this seems quite a reduction. With 9.5 cents click charge I > wouldn't want to match but 2 up I will, but I want to see the > quote. Now the question is what paper are they using, 24# laser or > 20# copy paper. > > Incidentally 19.5 cents Canadian is 17.7 cents U.S.. Staples here > has been open about 6 months. > > Not sure what pricing grid to go with if I am going to match these > guys, seems like were going to have to use a similar strategy > though - ie We have the best price, if not we'll match. > > This is starting to look a lot like farming :( > > Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com > CommunityPrinters.com > 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC > V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 > Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From doug at vipprinting.com Thu May 17 11:42:28 2007 From: doug at vipprinting.com (Douglas W. Rinnert) Date: Thu May 17 11:47:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Kinko's / Staples .... do they know how toprice??? In-Reply-To: <53212EEE-51B4-42AE-879C-3811B510292F@bellsouth.net> References: <464B0291.1298 6.42DE94EC@slb.inkspot.net> <01d801c79807$aa5a5bf0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> <53212EEE-51B4-42AE-879C-3811B510292F@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: I've been reading the posts on the pricing of color copies with interest and thought I would share my experience with a customer this past Tuesday. She came in and wanted to know if we would meet Kinko's price she had been quoted. The job was for 200 8.5" x 11" 2 sided brochures on a 60# white. Kinko's price was .89 per side for $356.00 I said sure we'll match that but our reg. price was .60 per side for $240.00, but if she really insisted that we match Kinko's price we could. She was surprised as she along with many others believes Kinko's has the lowest prices. She also was surprised that she didn't have to do the copies herself like at Kinko's. I like having a Kinko's nearby they send us new customers all the time. Some are well worth it others not so much and we will weed them out. Oh by the way we are doing the brochure and business cards, letterhead, envelopes & magnets for her. Doug Rinnert V.I.P. Printing & Design 9862 Crescent Park Drive West Chester, Ohio 45069 513.777.7468 office 513.777.7459 fax -- Doug Rinnert V.I.P. Printing & Design 9862 Crescent Park Drive West Chester, Ohio 45069 513.777.7468 office 513.777.7459 fax 513.623.6907 cell From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu May 17 12:22:13 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu May 17 12:22:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Kinko's / Staples . do they know how to price??? In-Reply-To: <464BF03C.4080901@fmtc.com> References: <464B0291.12986.42DE94EC@slb.inkspot.net> <01d801c79807$aa5a5bf0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> <464BF03C.4080901@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0705170922u3dabe98fvb3d814a5b8d1173b@mail.gmail.com> On 5/17/07, Dominick's Printing wrote: Not to be the bad guy here, but are you going after customers based on price? I quit comparing to Stinkos, based on comments on this list. I am after quality customers. No one would ever accuse me of selling on price. But I found I can have my cake and eat it too. There's more than one kind of customer out there, and you can make money on most of them if you learn how to differentiate them and "exploit" the differences. It's not about targeting the "typical" Kinko's customer (if there is such a thing); it's about taking advantage of the occasional opportunity to win one customer's business at a time if we can make good money on it, even if we can't max out our gross margin. YMMV, especially if you treat all customers as if they're the same and if your pride is greater than your desire to grow your bottom line. Unless, of course, you can cherry pick from a large, dynamic market filled with an ever-growing array of successful companies. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com =================================== If you can do a half-assed job of anything, you're a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind. ~ Kurt Vonnegut From pressexpress at bfm.org Thu May 17 12:43:04 2007 From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Thu May 17 12:43:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Kinko's / Staples .... do they know how toprice??? In-Reply-To: References: <464B0291.1298 6.42DE94EC@slb.inkspot.net> <01d801c79807$aa5a5bf0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> <53212EEE-51B4-42AE-879C-3811B510292F@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <23204649-1237-48C3-A663-6EB142CD246A@bfm.org> I too cannot understand the mentality of people, meaning, we too have a big box office supply chain with a copy dept. Even though I have been here for 20 years, people automatically flock to the big box name brand first, then after their minimum wage rookie screws up, only then they come back to us. Loyal clients always ask if I can match their pricing before they even know what my price even is. I am so sick of stupid people. This has even prompted me to research franchise because name recognition does work, but franchise, pricey$$$. g On May 17, 2007, at 10:42 AM, Douglas W. Rinnert wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I've been reading the posts on the pricing of color copies with > interest and thought I would share my experience with a customer > this past Tuesday. She came in and wanted to know if we would meet > Kinko's price she had been quoted. The job was for 200 8.5" x 11" > 2 sided brochures on a 60# white. Kinko's price was .89 per side > for $356.00 I said sure we'll match that but our reg. price was .60 > per side for $240.00, but if she really insisted that we match > Kinko's price we could. She was surprised as she along with many > others believes Kinko's has the lowest prices. She also was > surprised that she didn't have to do the copies herself like at > Kinko's. I like having a Kinko's nearby they send us new customers > all the time. Some are well worth it others not so much and we will > weed them out. > > Oh by the way we are doing the brochure and business cards, > letterhead, envelopes & magnets for her. > > Doug Rinnert > V.I.P. Printing & Design > 9862 Crescent Park Drive > West Chester, Ohio 45069 > 513.777.7468 office > 513.777.7459 fax > -- > Doug Rinnert > V.I.P. Printing & Design > 9862 Crescent Park Drive > West Chester, Ohio 45069 > 513.777.7468 office > 513.777.7459 fax > 513.623.6907 cell > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Thu May 17 13:30:36 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Thu May 17 13:30:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Kinko's / Staples .... do they know how toprice??? In-Reply-To: <23204649-1237-48C3-A663-6EB142CD246A@bfm.org> References: <464B0291.1298 6.42DE94EC@slb.inkspot.net> <01d801c79807$aa5a5bf0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> <53212EEE-51B4-42AE-879C-3811B510292F@bellsouth.net> <23204649-1237-48C3-A663-6EB142CD246A@bfm.org> Message-ID: <200705171730.l4HHUeOS077331@i2bnetworks.com> Just a thought here Greg...... Instead of waiting for morons to show up at your door, what about the concept of taking a hard look at your marketplace, then go out and get the clients you want. Ones that you perceive will be a good fit, ones that won't beat you up on price, because, you'll explain to them beforehand, during the sales process, why you have much more to offer. Why you are more valuable to them, why they can focus on growing their companies and less about how much it cost for a couple of color copies. They'll know that Greg will have their back. Name recognition may just attract more stupid people, and not get at the root cause of how you want to attract and retain higher margin business. Just a thought. S. At 09:43 AM 5/17/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I too cannot understand the mentality of people, meaning, we too have >a big box office supply chain with a copy dept. > >Even though I have been here for 20 years, people automatically flock >to the big box name brand first, then after their minimum wage rookie >screws up, only then they come back to us. > >Loyal clients always ask if I can match their pricing before they >even know what my price even is. I am so sick of stupid people. > >This has even prompted me to research franchise because name >recognition does work, but franchise, pricey$$$. > >g > > > >On May 17, 2007, at 10:42 AM, Douglas W. Rinnert wrote: > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>I've been reading the posts on the pricing of color copies with >>interest and thought I would share my experience with a customer >>this past Tuesday. She came in and wanted to know if we would meet >>Kinko's price she had been quoted. The job was for 200 8.5" x 11" >>2 sided brochures on a 60# white. Kinko's price was .89 per side >>for $356.00 I said sure we'll match that but our reg. price was .60 >>per side for $240.00, but if she really insisted that we match >>Kinko's price we could. She was surprised as she along with many >>others believes Kinko's has the lowest prices. She also was >>surprised that she didn't have to do the copies herself like at >>Kinko's. I like having a Kinko's nearby they send us new customers >>all the time. Some are well worth it others not so much and we will >>weed them out. >> >>Oh by the way we are doing the brochure and business cards, >>letterhead, envelopes & magnets for her. >> >>Doug Rinnert >>V.I.P. Printing & Design >>9862 Crescent Park Drive >>West Chester, Ohio 45069 >>513.777.7468 office >>513.777.7459 fax >>-- >>Doug Rinnert >>V.I.P. Printing & Design >>9862 Crescent Park Drive >>West Chester, Ohio 45069 >>513.777.7468 office >>513.777.7459 fax >>513.623.6907 cell >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2274 (20070517) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From pressexpress at bfm.org Thu May 17 14:12:04 2007 From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Thu May 17 14:12:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Kinko's / Staples .... do they know how toprice??? In-Reply-To: <200705171730.l4HHUeOS077331@i2bnetworks.com> References: <464B0291.1298 6.42DE94EC@slb.inkspot.net> <01d801c79807$aa5a5bf0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> <53212EEE-51B4-42AE-879C-3811B510292F@bellsouth.net> <23204649-1237-48C3-A663-6EB142CD246A@bfm.org> <200705171730.l4HHUeOS077331@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: Good advise, I do have my top accounts like the rest of us. Being in a rural environment, I do take what I can get, and that includes the morons. The point I was trying to make, is that it never ceases to amaze me to the situations that walk in the front door and the crap that comes out of peoples mouths. g On May 17, 2007, at 12:30 PM, Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Just a thought here Greg...... > > Instead of waiting for morons to show up at your door, > what about the concept of taking a hard look at your marketplace, > then go out and get the clients you want. > Ones that you perceive will be a good fit, ones that won't beat you > up on price, because, you'll explain to them beforehand, during the > sales process, why you have much more to offer. > Why you are more valuable to them, why they can focus on growing > their companies and less about how much it cost for a couple of > color copies. > > They'll know that Greg will have their back. > > Name recognition may just attract more stupid people, and not get > at the root cause of how you want to attract and retain higher > margin business. > > Just a thought. > > S. > > > > > > > At 09:43 AM 5/17/2007, you wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I too cannot understand the mentality of people, meaning, we too have >> a big box office supply chain with a copy dept. >> >> Even though I have been here for 20 years, people automatically flock >> to the big box name brand first, then after their minimum wage rookie >> screws up, only then they come back to us. >> >> Loyal clients always ask if I can match their pricing before they >> even know what my price even is. I am so sick of stupid people. >> >> This has even prompted me to research franchise because name >> recognition does work, but franchise, pricey$$$. >> >> g >> >> >> >> On May 17, 2007, at 10:42 AM, Douglas W. Rinnert wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> I've been reading the posts on the pricing of color copies with >>> interest and thought I would share my experience with a customer >>> this past Tuesday. She came in and wanted to know if we would meet >>> Kinko's price she had been quoted. The job was for 200 8.5" x 11" >>> 2 sided brochures on a 60# white. Kinko's price was .89 per side >>> for $356.00 I said sure we'll match that but our reg. price was .60 >>> per side for $240.00, but if she really insisted that we match >>> Kinko's price we could. She was surprised as she along with many >>> others believes Kinko's has the lowest prices. She also was >>> surprised that she didn't have to do the copies herself like at >>> Kinko's. I like having a Kinko's nearby they send us new customers >>> all the time. Some are well worth it others not so much and we will >>> weed them out. >>> >>> Oh by the way we are doing the brochure and business cards, >>> letterhead, envelopes & magnets for her. >>> >>> Doug Rinnert >>> V.I.P. Printing & Design >>> 9862 Crescent Park Drive >>> West Chester, Ohio 45069 >>> 513.777.7468 office >>> 513.777.7459 fax >>> -- >>> Doug Rinnert >>> V.I.P. Printing & Design >>> 9862 Crescent Park Drive >>> West Chester, Ohio 45069 >>> 513.777.7468 office >>> 513.777.7459 fax >>> 513.623.6907 cell >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ NOD32 2274 (20070517) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> > > Scott Cappel > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Thu May 17 14:19:03 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Thu May 17 14:19:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Kinko's / Staples .... do they know how toprice??? In-Reply-To: References: <464B0291.1298 6.42DE94EC@slb.inkspot.net> <01d801c79807$aa5a5bf0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> <53212EEE-51B4-42AE-879C-3811B510292F@bellsouth.net> <23204649-1237-48C3-A663-6EB142CD246A@bfm.org> <200705171730.l4HHUeOS077331@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <200705171819.l4HIJ61p087300@i2bnetworks.com> We never get any of that, so I guess I can't relate. S. At 11:12 AM 5/17/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Good advise, I do have my top accounts like the rest of us. > >Being in a rural environment, I do take what I can get, and that >includes the morons. > >The point I was trying to make, is that it never ceases to amaze me >to the situations that walk in the front door and the crap that comes >out of peoples mouths. > >g > > >On May 17, 2007, at 12:30 PM, Scott Cappel wrote: > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >>Just a thought here Greg...... >> >>Instead of waiting for morons to show up at your door, >>what about the concept of taking a hard look at your marketplace, >>then go out and get the clients you want. >>Ones that you perceive will be a good fit, ones that won't beat you >>up on price, because, you'll explain to them beforehand, during the >>sales process, why you have much more to offer. >>Why you are more valuable to them, why they can focus on growing >>their companies and less about how much it cost for a couple of >>color copies. >> >>They'll know that Greg will have their back. >> >>Name recognition may just attract more stupid people, and not get >>at the root cause of how you want to attract and retain higher >>margin business. >> >>Just a thought. >> >>S. >> >> >> >> >> >> >>At 09:43 AM 5/17/2007, you wrote: >>>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>>I too cannot understand the mentality of people, meaning, we too have >>>a big box office supply chain with a copy dept. >>> >>>Even though I have been here for 20 years, people automatically flock >>>to the big box name brand first, then after their minimum wage rookie >>>screws up, only then they come back to us. >>> >>>Loyal clients always ask if I can match their pricing before they >>>even know what my price even is. I am so sick of stupid people. >>> >>>This has even prompted me to research franchise because name >>>recognition does work, but franchise, pricey$$$. >>> >>>g >>> >>> >>> >>>On May 17, 2007, at 10:42 AM, Douglas W. Rinnert wrote: >>> >>>>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>>> >>>>I've been reading the posts on the pricing of color copies with >>>>interest and thought I would share my experience with a customer >>>>this past Tuesday. She came in and wanted to know if we would meet >>>>Kinko's price she had been quoted. The job was for 200 8.5" x 11" >>>>2 sided brochures on a 60# white. Kinko's price was .89 per side >>>>for $356.00 I said sure we'll match that but our reg. price was .60 >>>>per side for $240.00, but if she really insisted that we match >>>>Kinko's price we could. She was surprised as she along with many >>>>others believes Kinko's has the lowest prices. She also was >>>>surprised that she didn't have to do the copies herself like at >>>>Kinko's. I like having a Kinko's nearby they send us new customers >>>>all the time. Some are well worth it others not so much and we will >>>>weed them out. >>>> >>>>Oh by the way we are doing the brochure and business cards, >>>>letterhead, envelopes & magnets for her. >>>> >>>>Doug Rinnert >>>>V.I.P. Printing & Design >>>>9862 Crescent Park Drive >>>>West Chester, Ohio 45069 >>>>513.777.7468 office >>>>513.777.7459 fax >>>>-- >>>>Doug Rinnert >>>>V.I.P. Printing & Design >>>>9862 Crescent Park Drive >>>>West Chester, Ohio 45069 >>>>513.777.7468 office >>>>513.777.7459 fax >>>>513.623.6907 cell >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>PrintOwners Discussion List >>>>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>PrintOwners Discussion List >>>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>>__________ NOD32 2274 (20070517) Information __________ >>> >>>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>>http://www.eset.com >> >>Scott Cappel >>Sorrento Mesa Printing >>7398 Trade Street >>San Diego, CA 92121-2422 >>858-527-0800 >>858-527-1740 FAX >>http://www.sorrentomesa.com >> >>Direct Links for Learning: >>http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html >>http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html >>http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html >> >>Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider >>Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider >>Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level >>Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider >> >>Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2274 (20070517) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From keli at parchmentpress.net Thu May 17 14:30:12 2007 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Thu May 17 14:30:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pricing check Message-ID: <464C9F34.4000307@parchmentpress.net> Looking for pricing reality for an ole time customer.... How much for 2 color place mats on a heavy stock - 70 # Williamsburg Offset is what I normally use but something similar if cheaper. 2 color black and Pantone 1365 For 500, 1000, 2000, 5000 quantities.. It has been like pulling teeth but we are finally up to 12 cents each with this job - they change in the quantities all the time... This used to be ok when we were mostly offset but now we are almost entirely digital and this job hurts now... Can anyone help? thanks, Keli Markuson Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Parchment Press is a Cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes Communities - To learn more about our community and what we are all about - please feel free to email me off list or visit our website at : http://www.twelvetribes.com From keli at parchmentpress.net Thu May 17 14:31:24 2007 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Thu May 17 14:31:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pricing check Message-ID: <464C9F7C.5040904@parchmentpress.net> Oh it is on 11 x 17! ---------------- Looking for pricing reality for an ole time customer.... How much for 2 color place mats on a heavy stock - 70 # Williamsburg Offset is what I normally use but something similar if cheaper. 2 color black and Pantone 1365 For 500, 1000, 2000, 5000 quantities.. It has been like pulling teeth but we are finally up to 12 cents each with this job - they change in the quantities all the time... This used to be ok when we were mostly offset but now we are almost entirely digital and this job hurts now... Can anyone help? thanks, Keli Markuson Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Parchment Press is a Cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes Communities - To learn more about our community and what we are all about - please feel free to email me off list or visit our website at : http://www.twelvetribes.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu May 17 14:49:03 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu May 17 14:49:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pricing check In-Reply-To: <464C9F34.4000307@parchmentpress.net> References: <464C9F34.4000307@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0705171149u37ef7138tf7fea8ed5a99a92c@mail.gmail.com> On 5/17/07, Keli of Coxsackie wrote: > > > Looking for *pricing reality* for an ole time customer.... > > How much for 2 color place mats on a heavy stock - 70 # Williamsburg > Offset is what I normally use but something similar if cheaper. Williamsburg is a cheap offset stock. *REALITY* in my book must have a different meaning. This is as straight-forward a job spec as you're likely to see. Reality means it (the price) is what it is. > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > > =================================== > If you can do a half-assed job of anything, you're > a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind. > ~ Kurt Vonnegut From ron at printingconcepts.com Thu May 17 16:42:55 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Thu May 17 15:38:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] PRE-PRESS DATA STORAGE Message-ID: We are gathering opinions on data storage in our prepress department. I know the following is a lot to answer, but anyone who can supply me with some pretty complete and pertinent information I will reciprocate with a suite of Excel worksheet solutions for printers via e-mail. We have had multiple problems with the ARCvault LTO-3 tape and are trying to determine if Overland has global problems with their products. I would appreciate as much info as possible, as we are looking for a more reliable solution. Please feel free to add any other info I have not mentioned. 1. Has anyone in prepress had experience with Overland Storage, specifically with their ARCvault LTO-3 tape storage unit? 2. What is your prepress solution for the backup & archive of data. (Please try to be as specific as possible, eg: Spectra2K 15 slot library with AIT-2 tapes) 3. Listing both pros and cons, how has your overall experience been with this solution? 4. More specificly: Are tapes often stuck in the drive? How hard is it to manually retrieve the tape? Have you had to replace any parts on the unit? How is tech support response time? Can you access your unit through the web via IP address? Can you update firmware through internet? 5. Our previous solution for backup was AIT-2. We still use our SpectraLogic unit to retrieve data form those AIT-2 backup tapes. We are considering moving to AIT again, only the most current version - AIT5. Is this considered a backward move? 6. Comparing AIT tape technology to LTO, is one considered better than the other, or more reliable than the other? TIA Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "To each there comes in their lifetime a special moment when they are figuratively tapped on the shoulder and offered the chance to do a very special thing, unique to them and fitted to their talents. What a tragedy if that moment finds them unprepared or unqualified for that which could have been their finest hour." --Winston Churchill "When a nation has allowed itself to fall under a tyrannical regime, it cannot be absolved from the faults due to the guilt of the regime." --Winston Churchill Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From segass at heritageprinting.com Thu May 17 15:55:57 2007 From: segass at heritageprinting.com (Steve Gass) Date: Thu May 17 15:56:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Marketing Ideas In-Reply-To: <0MKpCa-1Hogb13wfB-0001ej@mrelay.perfora.net> Message-ID: <056201c798bd$65f42b10$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> Hello, Can we share marketing ideas and PDF samples (flyers, post cards, mailers, etc.) of the ways others are differentiating themselves from the low-ballers and Stinko's. I am a direct-to-plate commercial print shop (Running 3 presses: Ryobi 3302, 4c 28" and 2c 28") with 6.5 people. We installed a KM 6500 color copier on May 1st and have done 23,500 impressions with 11,000 being B&W in the first 3 weeks. We average 6,000 copiers per month on a CLC1150 with 2,000 being B&W (mostly proofing). Most of this work would have been on the presses. Now I want to grab some of the other shorter run market that I have not been able to accommodate with my presses and 1150 copier. I want to do some post card mailers and also inserts into chamber newsletter and our quarterly Business Forum newsletter. Any ideas would be appreciated, even if you would like to email me some pdf examples. Thanks, Steve Gass Heritage Printing & Mailing Cell: 240-298-0102 prepress@heritageprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Armand Girard Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:05 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: SPAM-LOW: RE: [PrintOwners] Re: Kinko's / Staples . do they know how to price??? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** You CAN use price to your advantage if your customer says you are higher than the competitor (like Kinko's) but you can prove that you are not. The problem we have with Kinko's is that people view them as a less expensive alternative to using our full service operations but often times they are not less expensive. When this occurs, we have to bring up price but do so to YOUR advantage. Prove to the customer that you are not more expensive than Kinko's and then make sure you emphasize the great service and quality you can deliver. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mike@arborprinting.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:36 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re: Kinko's / Staples . do they know how to price??? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We never go after customers on price. In a perfect world, price would never be an issue. However, it never hurts to know what others are charging, even Kinko's & Office Depot. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. www.arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dominick's Printing" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 1:03 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Kinko's / Staples . do they know how to price??? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Not to be the bad guy here, but are you going after customers based on > price? I quit comparing to Stinkos, based on comments on this list. I am > after quality customers. > > Like today, I quoted 4000 11" astrobrite green 60# at $390. Customer said > I was $250 higher than Stinkos. I said "by now". > > I have been pressing value and quality for the last 3 years, and it is > paying off well today. I am no longer the "lowest" price, but am perceived > as "it will be right, look good and be on time, the first time". It took > this list to teach me this philosophy. Now I am busier than I was 3 years > ago. > > I have even started adding extra charges that I never thought I could > before. Such as shrink wrapping. Did you know it costs 38 cents with labor > to wrap a package? Well, I didn't either, and neither does the customer, > its now added in. > > As for your comment about matching the horribly low price of 19 cents per > color copy, why bother? Did you factor your labor, machine cost, cutting > time, wrapping? You all have got to quit working for free! > > Just my random thoughts after a full day of cranking digital and presses. > We sent out one job of 4000 11 x 17 color copies today. Each one perfect, > and charged 65 cents each. Customer happy because they were done in 12 > hours, Owner happy because it was a beautiful job, on time, with profit. > > Well, the machine just ran out of paper again. It is running 40,000 black > and white 8.5 x 11" at 8 cents each. This one is due at 7 am tomorrow, and > it came in at 5:15 tonight. > > Remember - value, quality, on time, the first time! > > Joe Dominick > Dominick's Quick Print, Inc. > 542 W Idaho Avenue > Ontario Oregon 97914 > 541-881-1121 > Fax 541-881-1599 > > Ontario's ONLY Adobe Authorized Design Consultants > > "2007 Publisher Files Welcome Here" > > "Your Rush, We Deliver" > > > > k_graham@hotmail.com wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>> Normal price: $35,600.00 >>> Discount - 21,790.00 >>> Discounted price 13,810.00 >>> Tax + 586.93 >>> Net Price $14,396.93 >> >> on 40,000 copies that is 34.5 cents each is that for 8.5x11 single sided? >> >> Our 2nd store manager called today, a client has told him Staples offered >> 19.5 cent color copies on a 300 set order, over 19,000 copies., >> publisher file. They are advertising 50 cent copies so this seems quite a >> reduction. With 9.5 cents click charge I wouldn't want to match but 2 up >> I will, but I want to see the quote. Now the question is what paper are >> they using, 24# laser or 20# copy paper. >> >> Incidentally 19.5 cents Canadian is 17.7 cents U.S.. Staples here has >> been open about 6 months. >> >> Not sure what pricing grid to go with if I am going to match these guys, >> seems like were going to have to use a similar strategy though - ie We >> have the best price, if not we'll match. >> >> This is starting to look a lot like farming :( >> >> Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com >> CommunityPrinters.com >> 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC >> V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 >> Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From pressexpress at bfm.org Thu May 17 16:09:29 2007 From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Thu May 17 16:09:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Marketing Ideas In-Reply-To: <056201c798bd$65f42b10$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> References: <056201c798bd$65f42b10$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> Message-ID: Ditto here G On May 17, 2007, at 2:55 PM, Steve Gass wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello, > > Can we share marketing ideas and PDF samples (flyers, post cards, > mailers, > etc.) of the ways others are differentiating themselves from the > low-ballers > and Stinko's. > > I am a direct-to-plate commercial print shop (Running 3 presses: > Ryobi 3302, > 4c 28" and 2c 28") with 6.5 people. > > We installed a KM 6500 color copier on May 1st and have done 23,500 > impressions with 11,000 being B&W in the first 3 weeks. We average > 6,000 > copiers per month on a CLC1150 with 2,000 being B&W (mostly proofing). > > Most of this work would have been on the presses. Now I want to > grab some > of the other shorter run market that I have not been able to > accommodate > with my presses and 1150 copier. > > I want to do some post card mailers and also inserts into chamber > newsletter > and our quarterly Business Forum newsletter. > > Any ideas would be appreciated, even if you would like to email me > some pdf > examples. > > Thanks, > Steve Gass > > Heritage Printing & Mailing > Cell: 240-298-0102 > prepress@heritageprinting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Armand Girard > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:05 AM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: SPAM-LOW: RE: [PrintOwners] Re: Kinko's / Staples . do > they know > how to price??? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > You CAN use price to your advantage if your customer says you are > higher > than the competitor (like Kinko's) but you can prove that you are not. > > The problem we have with Kinko's is that people view them as a less > expensive alternative to using our full service operations but > often times > they are not less expensive. When this occurs, we have to bring up > price but > do so to YOUR advantage. Prove to the customer that you are not more > expensive than Kinko's and then make sure you emphasize the great > service > and quality you can deliver. > > > Armand Girard > Curry Printing & Mailing > 31 Mill St > Auburn, ME 04210 > > email: armand@curryonline.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of > Mike@arborprinting.com > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:36 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re: Kinko's / Staples . do they know how to > price??? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We never go after customers on price. In a perfect world, price > would never > be an issue. However, it never hurts to know what others are > charging, even > Kinko's & Office Depot. > Thanks, > > > Michael Shuta > Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. > www.arborprinting.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dominick's Printing" > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 1:03 AM > Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Kinko's / Staples . do they know how to > price??? > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Not to be the bad guy here, but are you going after customers >> based on >> price? I quit comparing to Stinkos, based on comments on this >> list. I am >> after quality customers. >> >> Like today, I quoted 4000 11" astrobrite green 60# at $390. >> Customer said >> I was $250 higher than Stinkos. I said "by now". >> >> I have been pressing value and quality for the last 3 years, and >> it is >> paying off well today. I am no longer the "lowest" price, but am >> perceived > >> as "it will be right, look good and be on time, the first time". >> It took >> this list to teach me this philosophy. Now I am busier than I was >> 3 years >> ago. >> >> I have even started adding extra charges that I never thought I could >> before. Such as shrink wrapping. Did you know it costs 38 cents >> with labor > >> to wrap a package? Well, I didn't either, and neither does the >> customer, >> its now added in. >> >> As for your comment about matching the horribly low price of 19 >> cents per >> color copy, why bother? Did you factor your labor, machine cost, >> cutting >> time, wrapping? You all have got to quit working for free! >> >> Just my random thoughts after a full day of cranking digital and >> presses. >> We sent out one job of 4000 11 x 17 color copies today. Each one >> perfect, >> and charged 65 cents each. Customer happy because they were done >> in 12 >> hours, Owner happy because it was a beautiful job, on time, with >> profit. >> >> Well, the machine just ran out of paper again. It is running >> 40,000 black >> and white 8.5 x 11" at 8 cents each. This one is due at 7 am >> tomorrow, and > >> it came in at 5:15 tonight. >> >> Remember - value, quality, on time, the first time! >> >> Joe Dominick >> Dominick's Quick Print, Inc. >> 542 W Idaho Avenue >> Ontario Oregon 97914 >> 541-881-1121 >> Fax 541-881-1599 >> >> Ontario's ONLY Adobe Authorized Design Consultants >> >> "2007 Publisher Files Welcome Here" >> >> "Your Rush, We Deliver" >> >> >> >> k_graham@hotmail.com wrote: >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>>> Normal price: $35,600.00 >>>> Discount - 21,790.00 >>>> Discounted price 13,810.00 >>>> Tax + 586.93 >>>> Net Price $14,396.93 >>> >>> on 40,000 copies that is 34.5 cents each is that for 8.5x11 >>> single sided? >>> >>> Our 2nd store manager called today, a client has told him Staples >>> offered > >>> 19.5 cent color copies on a 300 set order, over 19,000 copies., >>> publisher file. They are advertising 50 cent copies so this seems >>> quite a > >>> reduction. With 9.5 cents click charge I wouldn't want to match >>> but 2 up >>> I will, but I want to see the quote. Now the question is what >>> paper are >>> they using, 24# laser or 20# copy paper. >>> >>> Incidentally 19.5 cents Canadian is 17.7 cents U.S.. Staples >>> here has >>> been open about 6 months. >>> >>> Not sure what pricing grid to go with if I am going to match >>> these guys, >>> seems like were going to have to use a similar strategy though - >>> ie We >>> have the best price, if not we'll match. >>> >>> This is starting to look a lot like farming :( >>> >>> Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com >>> CommunityPrinters.com >>> 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC >>> V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 >>> Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From Minmandon at aol.com Thu May 17 16:18:49 2007 From: Minmandon at aol.com (Minmandon@aol.com) Date: Thu May 17 16:19:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Marketing Ideas Message-ID: In a message dated 5/17/2007 3:58:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, segass@heritageprinting.com writes: Can we share marketing ideas I have an idea to promote my new Canon 4080. A full color flyer that is going to go something like SALE ON 4 COLOR PRINTING DAUGHTER GETTING MARRIED MUST RAISE CASH!!!! Hopefully this will get them to look a little closer. Don Carney Minuteman Press Deerfield 954 421-9904 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From armand at curryonline.com Thu May 17 16:26:01 2007 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Thu May 17 16:26:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Marketing Ideas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0MKp8S-1HomY40tfL-0002v7@mrelay.perfora.net> While I realize there is humor in the flyer, may I get on my soapbox and comment about something so many printers get wrong? It should never be called FOUR color printing. You should call it FULL color printing. I have had several people tell me that my competitor prints only up to 4 colors and they want to know if I can print more than that. What an easy sell..... Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Minmandon@aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 4:19 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Marketing Ideas ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 5/17/2007 3:58:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, segass@heritageprinting.com writes: Can we share marketing ideas I have an idea to promote my new Canon 4080. A full color flyer that is going to go something like SALE ON 4 COLOR PRINTING DAUGHTER GETTING MARRIED MUST RAISE CASH!!!! Hopefully this will get them to look a little closer. Don Carney Minuteman Press Deerfield 954 421-9904 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From armand at curryonline.com Thu May 17 16:28:01 2007 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Thu May 17 16:28:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] PRE-PRESS DATA STORAGE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0MKpCa-1Homa00cv5-0001dM@mrelay.perfora.net> Uhh... tape. You mean like SCOTCH tape? We haven't used tape for years. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 4:43 PM To: printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] PRE-PRESS DATA STORAGE ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are gathering opinions on data storage in our prepress department. I know the following is a lot to answer, but anyone who can supply me with some pretty complete and pertinent information I will reciprocate with a suite of Excel worksheet solutions for printers via e-mail. We have had multiple problems with the ARCvault LTO-3 tape and are trying to determine if Overland has global problems with their products. I would appreciate as much info as possible, as we are looking for a more reliable solution. Please feel free to add any other info I have not mentioned. 1. Has anyone in prepress had experience with Overland Storage, specifically with their ARCvault LTO-3 tape storage unit? 2. What is your prepress solution for the backup & archive of data. (Please try to be as specific as possible, eg: Spectra2K 15 slot library with AIT-2 tapes) 3. Listing both pros and cons, how has your overall experience been with this solution? 4. More specificly: Are tapes often stuck in the drive? How hard is it to manually retrieve the tape? Have you had to replace any parts on the unit? How is tech support response time? Can you access your unit through the web via IP address? Can you update firmware through internet? 5. Our previous solution for backup was AIT-2. We still use our SpectraLogic unit to retrieve data form those AIT-2 backup tapes. We are considering moving to AIT again, only the most current version - AIT5. Is this considered a backward move? 6. Comparing AIT tape technology to LTO, is one considered better than the other, or more reliable than the other? TIA Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "To each there comes in their lifetime a special moment when they are figuratively tapped on the shoulder and offered the chance to do a very special thing, unique to them and fitted to their talents. What a tragedy if that moment finds them unprepared or unqualified for that which could have been their finest hour." --Winston Churchill "When a nation has allowed itself to fall under a tyrannical regime, it cannot be absolved from the faults due to the guilt of the regime." --Winston Churchill Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jdowning at libertygrouponline.com Thu May 17 17:31:51 2007 From: jdowning at libertygrouponline.com (Joy Downing) Date: Thu May 17 16:35:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Marketing Ideas References: Message-ID: <021c01c798ca$c88dcb20$1401a8c0@JOY2> Picture this.... Staff dressed up in island wear, grass skirts, etc...with you trying to do the "Limbo". Caption says....How Low Will We Go??? Couldn't help myself...... Joy Downing The Liberty Group Bowling Green, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Marketing Ideas > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > In a message dated 5/17/2007 3:58:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > segass@heritageprinting.com writes: > > Can we share marketing ideas > > > I have an idea to promote my new Canon 4080. A full color flyer that is > going to go something like > SALE ON 4 COLOR PRINTING > DAUGHTER GETTING MARRIED MUST RAISE CASH!!!! > > Hopefully this will get them to look a little closer. > > > > Don Carney > Minuteman Press Deerfield > 954 421-9904 > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From brianoday at eprint.us Thu May 17 17:08:50 2007 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Thu May 17 17:08:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Supplier Help In-Reply-To: <464B6640.20701@fmtc.com> References: <464B6640.20701@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <003f01c798c7$916d6d10$6b01a8c0@Brian> Have you tried BCT in Portland. They give us great service and are very reliable. The owners name is Ross he has run the co for over 20 years. Their phone number is (503) 620-7028. Give them a try. Brian O'Day ePrint Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dominick's Printing Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:15 PM To: printowners printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Supplier Help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I told you all when Carlson Craft bought Regency, there would be nothing but problems. But contrary to my gut instincts, I went ahead and used them. Yesterday I FIRED them. What a bunch of goobers. I am looking for a supplier of "monarch" size envelopes and letterhead in raised print. There is one big "must have" tho.... They must ship or deal with printers on the "west coast". 2 suppliers told me "oh, we don''t ship to your area..." Your help, as the internet is not being my friend, is appreciated. Joe Dominick Dominick's Quick Print, Inc. 542 W Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541-881-1121 Fax 541-881-1599 Ontario's ONLY Adobe Authorized Design Consultants "Publisher Files Welcome Here" "Your Rush, We Deliver" _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From keli at parchmentpress.net Thu May 17 18:20:57 2007 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Thu May 17 18:20:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pricing check In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0705171149u37ef7138tf7fea8ed5a99a92c@mail.gmail.com> References: <464C9F34.4000307@parchmentpress.net> <98f5b19a0705171149u37ef7138tf7fea8ed5a99a92c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <464CD549.8020901@parchmentpress.net> How much would you do the job for? thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Michael Vogel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On 5/17/07, Keli of Coxsackie wrote: >> >> >> Looking for *pricing reality* for an ole time customer.... >> >> How much for 2 color place mats on a heavy stock - 70 # Williamsburg >> Offset is what I normally use but something similar if cheaper. > > > > Williamsburg is a cheap offset stock. *REALITY* in my book must have a > different meaning. This is as straight-forward a job spec as you're > likely > to see. Reality means it (the price) is what it is. > > >> -- >> Michael Vogel >> Sir Speedy Printing >> 9 Research Drive >> Milford, CT 06460 >> tel 203-877-1231 >> fax 203-878-2679 >> mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com >> www.eSirSpeedy.com >> >> =================================== >> If you can do a half-assed job of anything, you're >> a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind. >> ~ Kurt Vonnegut > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From sos at olympus.net Thu May 17 18:40:11 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu May 17 18:42:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pricing check References: <464C9F34.4000307@parchmentpress.net><98f5b19a0705171149u37ef7138tf7fea8ed5a99a92c@mail.gmail.com> <464CD549.8020901@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: <005d01c798d4$5423a7a0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keli of Coxsackie" > How much would you do the job for? ====================== Assuming that's 2 colors, not black and one color. 2000 $220 3000 $260 5000 $326 10000 $524 That's 11 cents each to 5.3 cents each. Printed on QM46-2. That help? Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From latson at koyote.com Thu May 17 19:47:31 2007 From: latson at koyote.com (Dick Latson) Date: Thu May 17 19:47:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fellman can't do Dallas Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20070517183317.02ee6bb0@mail.koyote.com> Bummer . . . I was looking forward to it. Just thought the list might have a suggestion on where else a poor soul might go for some sales counseling and commiserating with fellow printers. Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: Dick@latsons.com www.latsons.com From homedespot1 at yahoo.com Fri May 18 08:35:08 2007 From: homedespot1 at yahoo.com (Jen Adelman) Date: Fri May 18 08:35:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Marketing Ideas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <844930.57248.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have a ton of marketing stuff (and it is all quirky and weird like me -- so there) but I'd be happy to share it if there was ONE ftp site I could upload it to. I'm sure it would take me a million years to organize all of it but it would be a good exercise for me too. I have dogs and goldfish and flowers and little girls and ducks and postcards and mousepads and the usual CRAP. I rebranding (with the permission of a fellow list memeber no less) to a superhero theme. (SuperRoller? ideas welcome)So I am doing all new marketing which I can't post yet but I can say that Dan Storrar off this list having seen the supergirl I want to use says she has a superbutt *grins*. Anyway. Give me one place to post and I'll make pdf's and put 'em there. Jennifer Adelman Roller (or WHATever) Printing 1233 Siler Road Santa Fe, NM 87507 --- Greg Weinfurter wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Ditto here > > G > > On May 17, 2007, at 2:55 PM, Steve Gass wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Hello, > > > > Can we share marketing ideas and PDF samples > (flyers, post cards, > > mailers, > > etc.) of the ways others are differentiating > themselves from the > > low-ballers > > and Stinko's. > > > > I am a direct-to-plate commercial print shop > (Running 3 presses: > > Ryobi 3302, > > 4c 28" and 2c 28") with 6.5 people. > > > > We installed a KM 6500 color copier on May 1st and > have done 23,500 > > impressions with 11,000 being B&W in the first 3 > weeks. We average > > 6,000 > > copiers per month on a CLC1150 with 2,000 being > B&W (mostly proofing). > > > > Most of this work would have been on the presses. > Now I want to > > grab some > > of the other shorter run market that I have not > been able to > > accommodate > > with my presses and 1150 copier. > > > > I want to do some post card mailers and also > inserts into chamber > > newsletter > > and our quarterly Business Forum newsletter. > > > > Any ideas would be appreciated, even if you would > like to email me > > some pdf > > examples. > > > > Thanks, > > Steve Gass > > > > Heritage Printing & Mailing > > Cell: 240-298-0102 > > prepress@heritageprinting.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On > Behalf Of Armand Girard > > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:05 AM > > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners > Only' > > Subject: SPAM-LOW: RE: [PrintOwners] Re: Kinko's / > Staples . do > > they know > > how to price??? > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > You CAN use price to your advantage if your > customer says you are > > higher > > than the competitor (like Kinko's) but you can > prove that you are not. > > > > The problem we have with Kinko's is that people > view them as a less > > expensive alternative to using our full service > operations but > > often times > > they are not less expensive. When this occurs, we > have to bring up > > price but > > do so to YOUR advantage. Prove to the customer > that you are not more > > expensive than Kinko's and then make sure you > emphasize the great > > service > > and quality you can deliver. > > > > > > Armand Girard > > Curry Printing & Mailing > > 31 Mill St > > Auburn, ME 04210 > > > > email: armand@curryonline.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On > Behalf Of > > Mike@arborprinting.com > > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:36 AM > > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners > Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re: Kinko's / Staples . > do they know how to > > price??? > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > We never go after customers on price. In a perfect > world, price > > would never > > be an issue. However, it never hurts to know what > others are > > charging, even > > Kinko's & Office Depot. > > Thanks, > > > > > > Michael Shuta > > Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. > > www.arborprinting.com > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dominick's Printing" > > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners > Only" > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 1:03 AM > > Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Kinko's / Staples . do > they know how to > > price??? > > > > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> > >> Not to be the bad guy here, but are you going > after customers > >> based on > >> price? I quit comparing to Stinkos, based on > comments on this > >> list. I am > >> after quality customers. > >> > >> Like today, I quoted 4000 11" astrobrite green > 60# at $390. > >> Customer said > >> I was $250 higher than Stinkos. I said "by now". > >> > >> I have been pressing value and quality for the > last 3 years, and > >> it is > >> paying off well today. I am no longer the > "lowest" price, but am > >> perceived > > > >> as "it will be right, look good and be on time, > the first time". > >> It took > >> this list to teach me this philosophy. Now I am > busier than I was > >> 3 years > >> ago. > >> > >> I have even started adding extra charges that I > never thought I could > >> before. Such as shrink wrapping. Did you know it > costs 38 cents > >> with labor > > > >> to wrap a package? Well, I didn't either, and > neither does the > >> customer, > >> its now added in. > >> > >> As for your comment about matching the horribly > low price of 19 > >> cents per > >> color copy, why bother? Did you factor your > labor, machine cost, > >> cutting > >> time, wrapping? You all have got to quit working > for free! > >> > >> Just my random thoughts after a full day of > cranking digital and > >> presses. > >> We sent out one job of 4000 11 x 17 color copies > today. Each one > >> perfect, > >> and charged 65 cents each. Customer happy because > they were done > >> in 12 > >> hours, Owner happy because it was a beautiful > job, on time, with > >> profit. > >> > >> Well, the machine just ran out of paper again. It > is running > >> 40,000 black > >> and white 8.5 x 11" at 8 cents each. This one is > due at 7 am > >> tomorrow, and > > > >> it came in at 5:15 tonight. > >> > >> Remember - value, quality, on time, the first > time! > >> > >> Joe Dominick > >> Dominick's Quick Print, Inc. > >> 542 W Idaho Avenue > >> Ontario Oregon 97914 > >> 541-881-1121 > >> Fax 541-881-1599 > >> > >> Ontario's ONLY Adobe Authorized Design > Consultants > >> > >> "2007 Publisher Files Welcome Here" > >> > >> "Your Rush, We Deliver" > >> > >> > >> > >> k_graham@hotmail.com wrote: > >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >>> > >>>> Normal price: $35,600.00 > >>>> Discount - 21,790.00 > >>>> Discounted price 13,810.00 > >>>> Tax + 586.93 > >>>> Net Price $14,396.93 > >>> > >>> on 40,000 copies that is 34.5 cents each is that > for 8.5x11 > >>> single sided? > >>> > >>> Our 2nd store manager called today, a client has > told him Staples > >>> offered > > > >>> 19.5 cent color copies on a 300 set order, over > 19,000 copies., > >>> publisher file. They are advertising 50 cent > copies so this seems > >>> quite a > > > >>> reduction. With 9.5 cents click charge I > wouldn't want to match > >>> but 2 up > >>> I will, but I want to see the quote. Now the > question is what > >>> paper are > >>> they using, 24# laser or 20# copy paper. > >>> > >>> Incidentally 19.5 cents Canadian is 17.7 cents > U.S.. Staples > >>> here has > >>> been open about 6 months. > >>> > >>> Not sure what pricing grid to go with if I am > going to match > >>> these guys, > >>> seems like were going to have to use a similar > strategy though - > >>> ie We > >>> have the best price, if not we'll match. > >>> > >>> This is starting to look a lot like farming :( > >>> > >>> Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com > >>> CommunityPrinters.com > >>> 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC > >>> V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 > >>> Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> PrintOwners Discussion List > >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >>> Info: > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> PrintOwners Discussion List > >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >> Info: > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Art, like morality, consists of drawing the line somewhere -G.K. Chesterton ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html From ron at printingconcepts.com Fri May 18 11:06:10 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Fri May 18 10:01:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 8000AP --new digital box & price? Message-ID: Recently saw a news release for this new model from Xerox, 88ppm with no slow down for card stock, was wondering if anyone herein knows what the ballpark price for this model is. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "To each there comes in their lifetime a special moment when they are figuratively tapped on the shoulder and offered the chance to do a very special thing, unique to them and fitted to their talents. What a tragedy if that moment finds them unprepared or unqualified for that which could have been their finest hour." --Winston Churchill "When a nation has allowed itself to fall under a tyrannical regime, it cannot be absolved from the faults due to the guilt of the regime." --Winston Churchill Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From cpurvine1 at cox.net Fri May 18 10:10:56 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Fri May 18 10:10:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Marketing Ideas In-Reply-To: <844930.57248.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <844930.57248.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004801c79956$5c813fc0$0200a8c0@corapurvine> Jen, Hal just posted this on the PONG site. Might be an answer for you. Lots of people are signed in on both lists. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz If you have any files that you think would be of interest to other shops you can easily upload them to the PONG web site. http://groups.google.com/group/PrintOwnersNG It's really very simple, simply sign in with your Google ID and upload the files. Since the files are stored in alphabetical order a little judicious naming will go a long way. Try it, I think you'll be surprised at how easy it is. Anyone subscribed to PONG can upload or download these files. From craig at newhavenprint.com Fri May 18 10:11:23 2007 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Fri May 18 10:12:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 8000AP --new digital box & price? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070518141217.2D341857AA1@rb.enter.net> \ > Recently saw a news release for this new model from Xerox, > 88ppm with no slow down for card stock, was wondering if > anyone herein knows what the ballpark price for this model is. \ > Ron Taggart, President List is supposed to be in the $300,000 range. And it's 80 cpm like the previous 8000 model. That's about 2/3 the way (price wise) to an iGen3. Might be a successful product. The running all weights of stocks at full speed has always been one of the key iGen3 selling points. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From randy.o at gwins.cc Fri May 18 10:10:37 2007 From: randy.o at gwins.cc (Randy Osmon) Date: Fri May 18 10:15:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 21, Issue 61 In-Reply-To: <20070517234746.50F0785541C@rb.enter.net> References: <20070517234746.50F0785541C@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <918443a72c26cbb502e0f81d0ef0afad@gwins.cc> Just thought I'd share my two cents. Our prices for this job would be: 2000 = $382.41 3000 = $442.77 5000 = $555.19 10000 = $834.75 By my calculations, to get down to the $.11 - $.053 range, I would have to drop my press rate to $40/hr sell price, mark up paper 20%, give the press operator 20min for makeready and 15min/color for wash up, average 10,000 impressions/hr, sell the proof for $5, special ink mix for $20, plates at $40 plus cutting & boxing for about $15. Sorry, but that sounds like a short path to bankruptcy to me. Randy Osmon Gwin's Commercial Printing 957 Springhill Avenue Mobile, AL 36604 251.438.2226 ext 307 251.438.1959 fax randy.o@gwins.cc On May 17, 2007, at 6:47 PM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: >>> Looking for *pricing reality* for an ole time customer.... >>> >>> How much for 2 color place mats on a heavy stock - 70 # Williamsburg >>> Offset is what I normally use but something similar if cheaper. >> >> >> >> Williamsburg is a cheap offset stock. *REALITY* in my book must have a >> different meaning. This is as straight-forward a job spec as you're >> likely >> to see. Reality means it (the price) is what it is. >> >> >>> -- >>> Michael Vogel >>> Sir Speedy Printing >>> 9 Research Drive >>> Milford, CT 06460 >>> tel 203-877-1231 >>> fax 203-878-2679 >>> mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com >>> www.eSirSpeedy.com >>> >>> =================================== >>> If you can do a half-assed job of anything, you're >>> a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind. >>> ~ Kurt Vonnegut >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 15:40:11 -0700 > From: "Dan Huntingford" > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Pricing check > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Message-ID: <005d01c798d4$5423a7a0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keli of Coxsackie" >> How much would you do the job for? > > ====================== > > Assuming that's 2 colors, not black and one color. > 2000 $220 > 3000 $260 > 5000 $326 > 10000 $524 > That's 11 cents each to 5.3 cents each. Printed on QM46-2. From John at mpcny.com Fri May 18 10:55:45 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Fri May 18 11:02:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Fellman can't do Dallas In-Reply-To: <20070517234746.2C146855416@rb.enter.net> References: <20070517234746.2C146855416@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <001e01c7995c$9d6a7870$d83f6950$@com> Ok here is my advice take it or leave it. I have heard all the experts, name them. I have hired, been too or bought programs from: Gitomer, Fellman, Moffit, Brooks, Chase, Zigler Farquharson and others. Here is what works best for us. Buy Fellman's new series at http://tinyurl.com/255apd (about $275) or some other program, this gives you some tools to use and what to do or say in front of the customer. He will also give you the knowledge you need for printing sales. Next hire Wendy Weiss (about $500) http://www.wendyweiss.com/ She will teach you how to get accounts and get in the door. http://www.wendyweiss.com/sales_coaching.html Then use Gitomer to get you going and pumped up. Forget wasting time and money on things that take months to get you just in the door or quickie seminar you forget about next month. Just do what Wendy tells you to get them and use the knowledge from Dave when in front of them... All this for about $800. Of course I can just hear all the bitching off line, about how I cannot afford that. Oh well without, more sales you most likely will not afford anything soon. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.3/809 - Release Date: 5/17/2007 5:18 PM From ep101 at technaprint.com Fri May 18 11:31:12 2007 From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson) Date: Fri May 18 11:31:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Marketing Ideas In-Reply-To: <056201c798bd$65f42b10$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> Message-ID: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello, > > Can we share marketing ideas and PDF samples (flyers, post cards, mailers, > etc.) of the ways others are differentiating themselves from the low-ballers > and Stinko's. Steve, We're not really doing anything special except sending out newsletters from Touchpoint Communications Group. http://www.touchpointcg.com/ They've been well received so far.... Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com From sos at olympus.net Fri May 18 11:35:41 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri May 18 11:37:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintOwners Pricing References: <20070517234746.50F0785541C@rb.enter.net> <918443a72c26cbb502e0f81d0ef0afad@gwins.cc> Message-ID: <005301c79962$315ef560$0300a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Osmon" > 2000 = $382.41 > 3000 = $442.77 > 5000 = $555.19 > 10000 = $834.75 > > By my calculations, to get down to the $.11 - $.053 range, I would have to > drop my press rate to $40/hr sell price, mark up paper 20%, give the press > operator 20min for makeready and 15min/color for wash up, average 10,000 > impressions/hr, sell the proof for $5, special ink mix for $20, plates at > $40 plus cutting & boxing for about $15. ===================== My prices were calculated with a press rate of $75/hr marked up 1.55 paper marked up 1.5 speed table at 3500 to 6000/hr depending on run length, and a 20 minute make ready on a Quickmaster is kinda slow for a simple one side 2 color job. There wouldn't be any cutting, it's a repeat job, so I didn't include a proof, but you're right I didn't include the cost of boxes and should have. Our profit margin ranges anywhere from -20% to +35% depending on what kind of work comes in that month. Overall we've tended to be about average i.e. 15% annual net the past couple years. I'm thinking it's time to raise prices though, everybody else seems to be. Post Office, rubber stamp vendor, gas stations, restaurants, (we've done a lot of menus lately) etc. The main point of this thread was, trying to print these on a color copier, when it is very clearly a press job. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From ron at printingconcepts.com Fri May 18 12:46:38 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Fri May 18 11:41:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] PRE-PRESS DATA STORAGE In-Reply-To: <0MKpCa-1Homa00cv5-0001dM@mrelay.perfora.net> Message-ID: >Uhh... tape. You mean like SCOTCH tape? We haven't used tape for years. < Sorry Armand, but your answer will neither qualify as pertinent nor complete :) -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Armand Girard Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 4:28 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] PRE-PRESS DATA STORAGE ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Uhh... tape. You mean like SCOTCH tape? We haven't used tape for years. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 4:43 PM To: printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] PRE-PRESS DATA STORAGE ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are gathering opinions on data storage in our prepress department. I know the following is a lot to answer, but anyone who can supply me with some pretty complete and pertinent information I will reciprocate with a suite of Excel worksheet solutions for printers via e-mail. We have had multiple problems with the ARCvault LTO-3 tape and are trying to determine if Overland has global problems with their products. I would appreciate as much info as possible, as we are looking for a more reliable solution. Please feel free to add any other info I have not mentioned. 1. Has anyone in prepress had experience with Overland Storage, specifically with their ARCvault LTO-3 tape storage unit? 2. What is your prepress solution for the backup & archive of data. (Please try to be as specific as possible, eg: Spectra2K 15 slot library with AIT-2 tapes) 3. Listing both pros and cons, how has your overall experience been with this solution? 4. More specificly: Are tapes often stuck in the drive? How hard is it to manually retrieve the tape? Have you had to replace any parts on the unit? How is tech support response time? Can you access your unit through the web via IP address? Can you update firmware through internet? 5. Our previous solution for backup was AIT-2. We still use our SpectraLogic unit to retrieve data form those AIT-2 backup tapes. We are considering moving to AIT again, only the most current version - AIT5. Is this considered a backward move? 6. Comparing AIT tape technology to LTO, is one considered better than the other, or more reliable than the other? TIA Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "To each there comes in their lifetime a special moment when they are figuratively tapped on the shoulder and offered the chance to do a very special thing, unique to them and fitted to their talents. What a tragedy if that moment finds them unprepared or unqualified for that which could have been their finest hour." --Winston Churchill "When a nation has allowed itself to fall under a tyrannical regime, it cannot be absolved from the faults due to the guilt of the regime." --Winston Churchill Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From armand at curryonline.com Fri May 18 11:53:06 2007 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Fri May 18 11:53:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] PRE-PRESS DATA STORAGE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0MKp8S-1Hp4lT0MMg-0002tq@mrelay.perfora.net> Okay, Let me try pertinent. Why are you still using tape? Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:47 PM To: printowners Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] PRE-PRESS DATA STORAGE ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >Uhh... tape. You mean like SCOTCH tape? We haven't used tape for years. < Sorry Armand, but your answer will neither qualify as pertinent nor complete :) -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Armand Girard Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 4:28 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] PRE-PRESS DATA STORAGE ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Uhh... tape. You mean like SCOTCH tape? We haven't used tape for years. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 4:43 PM To: printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] PRE-PRESS DATA STORAGE ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are gathering opinions on data storage in our prepress department. I know the following is a lot to answer, but anyone who can supply me with some pretty complete and pertinent information I will reciprocate with a suite of Excel worksheet solutions for printers via e-mail. We have had multiple problems with the ARCvault LTO-3 tape and are trying to determine if Overland has global problems with their products. I would appreciate as much info as possible, as we are looking for a more reliable solution. Please feel free to add any other info I have not mentioned. 1. Has anyone in prepress had experience with Overland Storage, specifically with their ARCvault LTO-3 tape storage unit? 2. What is your prepress solution for the backup & archive of data. (Please try to be as specific as possible, eg: Spectra2K 15 slot library with AIT-2 tapes) 3. Listing both pros and cons, how has your overall experience been with this solution? 4. More specificly: Are tapes often stuck in the drive? How hard is it to manually retrieve the tape? Have you had to replace any parts on the unit? How is tech support response time? Can you access your unit through the web via IP address? Can you update firmware through internet? 5. Our previous solution for backup was AIT-2. We still use our SpectraLogic unit to retrieve data form those AIT-2 backup tapes. We are considering moving to AIT again, only the most current version - AIT5. Is this considered a backward move? 6. Comparing AIT tape technology to LTO, is one considered better than the other, or more reliable than the other? TIA Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "To each there comes in their lifetime a special moment when they are figuratively tapped on the shoulder and offered the chance to do a very special thing, unique to them and fitted to their talents. What a tragedy if that moment finds them unprepared or unqualified for that which could have been their finest hour." --Winston Churchill "When a nation has allowed itself to fall under a tyrannical regime, it cannot be absolved from the faults due to the guilt of the regime." --Winston Churchill Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Fri May 18 12:50:41 2007 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Fri May 18 12:48:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pricing check In-Reply-To: <464CD549.8020901@parchmentpress.net> References: <464C9F34.4000307@parchmentpress.net> <98f5b19a0705171149u37ef7138tf7fea8ed5a99a92c@mail.gmail.com> <464CD549.8020901@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: <464DD961.2010509@sugarloafprint.com> Keli of Coxsackie wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > How much would you do the job for? The last time we did 2 color place mats we got 0.17 each for 50M. We're laying out some changes for the next order -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From slb at inkspot.net Fri May 18 13:07:26 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Fri May 18 13:07:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Marketing Ideas In-Reply-To: References: <056201c798bd$65f42b10$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> Message-ID: <464DA50E.25060.4D294DF8@slb.inkspot.net> Just had a bit of a "duh" moment. I was mentioning to our designer that the paper sleeves for cd/dvd disks cost about the same as the slim jewel cases. He thought they were considerably cheaper, because they look like they "should" be. In a short conversation, we decided that he'd design a pretty, shop-promoting, jewel case insert for disks that we give to customers, and we'd only use the paper sleeves when we wanted something that took less space in our internal files. Steve > > > > Hello, > > > > Can we share marketing ideas and PDF samples (flyers, post cards, mailers, > > etc.) of the ways others are differentiating themselves from the low-ballers > > and Stinko's. > > Steve, > > We're not really doing anything special except sending out newsletters from > Touchpoint Communications Group. http://www.touchpointcg.com/ > > They've been well received so far.... > > Eric Pearson > President/C.E.O. > > ------------ > > TechnaPrint, Inc. > 909 Garfield Street > Eugene, OR 97402-2706 > (541) 344-4062 > (541) 344-1765 Fax > > ep101@technaprint.com > www.technaprint.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2277 (20070518) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From jedwards at printzilla.net Fri May 18 13:36:43 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Fri May 18 13:38:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Marketing Ideas In-Reply-To: <464DA50E.25060.4D294DF8@slb.inkspot.net> References: <056201c798bd$65f42b10$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> <464DA50E.25060.4D294DF8@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <82ACEC95-B262-4184-A502-5F5689BCB59A@printzilla.net> On May 18, 2007, at 12:07 PM, Steve Blatman wrote: > In a short conversation, we decided > that he'd design a pretty, shop-promoting, jewel case insert for > disks that we give to customers, I've done some of those. http://cdbaby.com/cd/missleslie3 Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North Texas From dominick at fmtc.com Fri May 18 14:49:59 2007 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Joe Dominick) Date: Fri May 18 13:54:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Supplier Help In-Reply-To: <003f01c798c7$916d6d10$6b01a8c0@Brian> References: <464B6640.20701@fmtc.com> <003f01c798c7$916d6d10$6b01a8c0@Brian> Message-ID: Thanks Brian, I talked to Shawn this morning. Very professional on the phone. I will be sending them the order. Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com On May 17, 2007, at 2:08 PM, Brian O'Day wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Have you tried BCT in Portland. They give us great service and are very > reliable. The owners name is Ross he has run the co for over 20 years. > Their > phone number is (503) 620-7028. Give them a try. > > Brian O'Day > ePrint > Portland, Oregon > brianoday@eprint.us > 503-684-2679 > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dominick's > Printing > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:15 PM > To: printowners printowners > Subject: [PrintOwners] Supplier Help > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I told you all when Carlson Craft bought Regency, there would be > nothing > but problems. But contrary to my gut instincts, I went ahead and used > them. Yesterday I FIRED them. What a bunch of goobers. > > I am looking for a supplier of "monarch" size envelopes and letterhead > in raised print. > > There is one big "must have" tho.... They must ship or deal with > printers on the "west coast". 2 suppliers told me "oh, we don''t ship > to > your area..." > > Your help, as the internet is not being my friend, is appreciated. > > Joe Dominick > Dominick's Quick Print, Inc. > 542 W Idaho Avenue > Ontario Oregon 97914 > 541-881-1121 > Fax 541-881-1599 > > Ontario's ONLY Adobe Authorized Design Consultants > > "Publisher Files Welcome Here" > > "Your Rush, We Deliver" > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! From rstor at copycats.com Fri May 18 13:59:40 2007 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Fri May 18 14:01:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 8000AP --new digital box & price? In-Reply-To: <20070518141217.2D341857AA1@rb.enter.net> References: <20070518141217.2D341857AA1@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <464DE98C.7000602@copycats.com> Yes, but running card at full speed gives you the matte look. If you want the really saturated look you need to slow it down. Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Craig Dellinger wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > \ > >> Recently saw a news release for this new model from Xerox, >> 88ppm with no slow down for card stock, was wondering if >> anyone herein knows what the ballpark price for this model is. >> > \ > >> Ron Taggart, President >> > > > List is supposed to be in the $300,000 range. And it's 80 cpm like the > previous 8000 model. That's about 2/3 the way (price wise) to an iGen3. > Might be a successful product. The running all weights of stocks at full > speed has always been one of the key iGen3 selling points. > > Craig Dellinger > New Haven Print & Copy > 7531 US 930 East > Fort Wayne, IN 46803 > 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 > www.newhavenprint.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From keli at parchmentpress.net Fri May 18 15:33:11 2007 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Fri May 18 15:33:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pricing check In-Reply-To: <464C9F34.4000307@parchmentpress.net> References: <464C9F34.4000307@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: <464DFF77.3060600@parchmentpress.net> I found an catalog from Triangle Printing - Cheap offset to the trade. for 25m the price is 17.28/m - catalog was 8 years old so they said Catalog is still good Just add 18% so the price is $20.40/m or 2.04 cents each! WOW! Anyone cheaper out there? let me know.... thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Parchment Press is a Cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes Communities - To learn more about our community and what we are all about - please feel free to email me off list or visit our website at : http://www.twelvetribes.com Keli of Coxsackie wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Looking for pricing reality for an ole time customer.... > > How much for 2 color place mats on a heavy stock - 70 # Williamsburg > Offset is what I normally use but > something similar if cheaper. > > 2 color black and Pantone 1365 > > For 500, 1000, 2000, 5000 quantities.. > > It has been like pulling teeth but we are finally up to 12 cents each > with this job - they change in the quantities all the time... > This used to be ok when we were mostly offset but now we are almost > entirely digital and this job hurts now... Can anyone help? > > > thanks, > Keli Markuson > Parchment Press > 52 S River St > Coxsackie, NY 12051 > > Parchment Press is a Cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes Communities > - To learn more about our community and what we are all about - please > feel free to email me off list or visit our website at : > http://www.twelvetribes.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From mike at arborprinting.com Fri May 18 15:54:59 2007 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Fri May 18 15:57:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pricing check References: <464C9F34.4000307@parchmentpress.net> <464DFF77.3060600@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: <021901c79986$6b018e80$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> In our neck of the woods, cheap Boise #70 11x17 ofset is exactly 20.40/m, including tax. He must be running it on a small web. 25,000 2 color 11x17 on #70 offset for $510.00? Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. www.arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keli of Coxsackie" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Pricing check > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I found an catalog from Triangle Printing - Cheap offset to the trade. > for 25m the price is 17.28/m - catalog was 8 years old so they said > Catalog is still good > Just add 18% so the price is $20.40/m or 2.04 cents each! WOW! > > Anyone cheaper out there? > > let me know.... > > thanks, > Michael Markuson (aka Keli) > Parchment Press > 52 S River St > Coxsackie, NY 12051 > > Parchment Press is a Cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes Communities - > To learn more about our community and what we are all about - please feel > free to email me off list or visit our website at : > http://www.twelvetribes.com > > Keli of Coxsackie wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Looking for pricing reality for an ole time customer.... >> >> How much for 2 color place mats on a heavy stock - 70 # Williamsburg >> Offset is what I normally use but >> something similar if cheaper. >> >> 2 color black and Pantone 1365 >> >> For 500, 1000, 2000, 5000 quantities.. >> >> It has been like pulling teeth but we are finally up to 12 cents each >> with this job - they change in the quantities all the time... >> This used to be ok when we were mostly offset but now we are almost >> entirely digital and this job hurts now... Can anyone help? >> >> >> thanks, >> Keli Markuson >> Parchment Press >> 52 S River St >> Coxsackie, NY 12051 >> >> Parchment Press is a Cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes Communities - >> To learn more about our community and what we are all about - please feel >> free to email me off list or visit our website at : >> http://www.twelvetribes.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From QKCONSULT at aol.com Fri May 18 16:30:18 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Fri May 18 16:30:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Arrrrg - A Correction Notice Message-ID: Dear Folks, How depressing! I just found out that the web address listed in Q.P. Magazine for ordering "Print Shop For Sale," the new book that Larry Hunt and I have just published is wrong. Of course, the nice 4C (ooops full-color) flyer that went out in the last NAQP mailing had the same error. The address listed was: _www.printshopsforsale.com_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.com/) The CORRECT address is: _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) This mistake was mine and mine alone and I can't blame anyone else. What makes it even worse, someone at the magazine looked at the web address that appeared at the end of my column and thought they spotted a typo because the address didn't quite match the book title, so they took the plural version "printshopsforsale" and made it singular "printshopforsale." The only good news is that the orders are coming in, and Google and Yahoo have us listed near the top if you type in the title of the book with either of our names, or type in just our two names and the book info comes up.... Nonetheless, that's a rationalization and I just wish it hadn't happened, especially considering how very careful we had been up until that point with timing, deadlines, etc. As I told the person who just informed me about the mistake, my stomach will be in knots all weekend, or at least until I have finished a bottle of wine followed up with a couple of scotch and waters. I will be violating the rules and cross-posting this notice. I hope there aren't too many folks who object. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." New Book - "Print Shop For Sale" by Larry Hunt & John Stewart _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From kurt at qpgraphics.biz Fri May 18 16:31:15 2007 From: kurt at qpgraphics.biz (Kurt A. Kroh) Date: Fri May 18 16:31:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pricing check In-Reply-To: <464DFF77.3060600@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: <000901c7998b$82d1f450$0a01a8c0@KurtWXP> Hello Michael, Can you send me the contact information for Triangle Printing? Kurt Kroh Quality Plus Design and Graphics Las Vegas Nevada. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Keli of Coxsackie Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:33 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Pricing check ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I found an catalog from Triangle Printing - Cheap offset to the trade. for 25m the price is 17.28/m - catalog was 8 years old so they said Catalog is still good Just add 18% so the price is $20.40/m or 2.04 cents each! WOW! Anyone cheaper out there? let me know.... thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Parchment Press is a Cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes Communities - To learn more about our community and what we are all about - please feel free to email me off list or visit our website at : http://www.twelvetribes.com Keli of Coxsackie wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Looking for pricing reality for an ole time customer.... > > How much for 2 color place mats on a heavy stock - 70 # Williamsburg > Offset is what I normally use but something similar if cheaper. > > 2 color black and Pantone 1365 > > For 500, 1000, 2000, 5000 quantities.. > > It has been like pulling teeth but we are finally up to 12 cents each > with this job - they change in the quantities all the time... > This used to be ok when we were mostly offset but now we are almost > entirely digital and this job hurts now... Can anyone help? > > > thanks, > Keli Markuson > Parchment Press > 52 S River St > Coxsackie, NY 12051 > > Parchment Press is a Cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes Communities > - To learn more about our community and what we are all about - please > feel free to email me off list or visit our website at : > http://www.twelvetribes.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From brianoday at eprint.us Fri May 18 17:59:50 2007 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Fri May 18 17:59:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Arrrrg - A Correction Notice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006801c79997$dc507400$6b01a8c0@Brian> John You might have missed on the web address but you hit a home run with the book. I got mine and am still studying it. I have some work to do to remodel my business to get the most resale when I want to sell but at least I now know what I need to work on. Hopefully you are selling enough books that you can afford the good scotch it doesn't make you as irritable Brian O'Day ePrint Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 1:30 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Arrrrg - A Correction Notice ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Dear Folks, How depressing! I just found out that the web address listed in Q.P. Magazine for ordering "Print Shop For Sale," the new book that Larry Hunt and I have just published is wrong. Of course, the nice 4C (ooops full-color) flyer that went out in the last NAQP mailing had the same error. The address listed was: _www.printshopsforsale.com_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.com/) The CORRECT address is: _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) This mistake was mine and mine alone and I can't blame anyone else. What makes it even worse, someone at the magazine looked at the web address that appeared at the end of my column and thought they spotted a typo because the address didn't quite match the book title, so they took the plural version "printshopsforsale" and made it singular "printshopforsale." The only good news is that the orders are coming in, and Google and Yahoo have us listed near the top if you type in the title of the book with either of our names, or type in just our two names and the book info comes up.... Nonetheless, that's a rationalization and I just wish it hadn't happened, especially considering how very careful we had been up until that point with timing, deadlines, etc. As I told the person who just informed me about the mistake, my stomach will be in knots all weekend, or at least until I have finished a bottle of wine followed up with a couple of scotch and waters. I will be violating the rules and cross-posting this notice. I hope there aren't too many folks who object. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." New Book - "Print Shop For Sale" by Larry Hunt & John Stewart _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ep101 at technaprint.com Fri May 18 18:09:24 2007 From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson) Date: Fri May 18 18:09:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quick CSR/Estimator Comp. Survey Message-ID: We've recently lost our lead CSR/Estimator. To make a long story short, she resigned rather than committing to take care of ALL of our customers well (read: come to find out she was being curt and terse to those with whom she didn't get a long causing defections). She had been at almost $16.00/hour and we felt that based on all the surveys we'd seen that we were right at the top of the range for that position. Our other two are between $13 and $14/hr. On advertising the position this past weekend, we have a prospect that's coming out of a much larger shop at $21/hour. I almost fell off my chair when I saw this! They started her there and she's stayed there for the past 5 years. Perhaps they're of the mind also that $21 is quite high compared to the market for this position. That said, what is anyone else paying for this position ? customer service and estimating? Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com From brianoday at eprint.us Fri May 18 18:23:20 2007 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Fri May 18 18:23:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quick CSR/Estimator Comp. Survey In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006901c7999b$24a60870$6b01a8c0@Brian> Eric We were just able to hire a great CSR for $15 per hour. She came out of a copy shop but has had no trouble picking up the printing part. I was afraid to hire her but the attitude and ability to take care of customers is fantastic, I can train the rest. Brian O'Day ePrint Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Eric Pearson Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 3:09 PM To: printowners printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Quick CSR/Estimator Comp. Survey ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We've recently lost our lead CSR/Estimator. To make a long story short, she resigned rather than committing to take care of ALL of our customers well (read: come to find out she was being curt and terse to those with whom she didn't get a long causing defections). She had been at almost $16.00/hour and we felt that based on all the surveys we'd seen that we were right at the top of the range for that position. Our other two are between $13 and $14/hr. On advertising the position this past weekend, we have a prospect that's coming out of a much larger shop at $21/hour. I almost fell off my chair when I saw this! They started her there and she's stayed there for the past 5 years. Perhaps they're of the mind also that $21 is quite high compared to the market for this position. That said, what is anyone else paying for this position < customer service and estimating? Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Fri May 18 18:33:46 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Fri May 18 18:33:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quick CSR/Estimator Comp. Survey In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0705181533x6b0433bel217792708b3f8d78@mail.gmail.com> On 5/18/07, Eric Pearson wrote: > > > She had been at almost $16.00/hour > > we have a prospect that's > coming out of a much larger shop at $21/hour... > They started her there and she's stayed there for the past > 5 years. Perhaps they're of the mind also that $21 is quite high compared > to > the market for this position. Not to avoid your question, but... (just some ways I'd be looking at the situation): 1) How much is the prospective employee looking for? 2) Is she leaving because she hasn't gotten a raise in 5 years? 3) WHY has she not gotten a raise in 5 years?! 4) Could a top-notch person in be a sufficient upgrade from the departed employee to justify the roughly $11,500 annual difference? (i.e., could she bring in an additional $3800-or-so in monthly sales?) 5) Is she an effective communicator *who knows how to build value* and charge ("estimate") accordingly? Can she help the others do the same? 5) Could she take on any additional managerial/supervisory duties? Unfortunately, we all want to employ quality individuals, but our end of the industry doesn't necessarily pay enough for the kind of people we'd like to find. If you look at it from the prospect's position, if she is an educated and highly qualified and effective inside sales person, $43,000 doesn't seem like all that much money. That said, see #s 4 and 5 above. > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > > =================================== > If you can do a half-assed job of anything, you're > a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind. > ~ Kurt Vonnegut From sos at olympus.net Fri May 18 18:48:29 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri May 18 18:50:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quick CSR/Estimator Comp. Survey References: Message-ID: <01ba01c7999e$a753fbd0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Pearson" Perhaps they're of the mind also that $21 is quite high compared to the market for this position. ================= Survey says, "Medium market, Customer Service Manager, $11.17 to $17.74 Large Market $12.19 to $16.67 Major market $13.49 to 18.23 NAQP survey 2003 PIA survey says, Portland Estimator Starting $2600/month Average $2910. Seattle 2916 to 3555. Spokane reports nothing, but combination of estimator production manager 1907 to 2817 Hope that helps Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From robin at protypeonline.com Sat May 19 12:35:33 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Sat May 19 12:35:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quick CSR/Estimator Comp. Survey Message-ID: <73753D15-EBFF-4EAD-81AD-D83D16BDC257@protypeonline.com> Eric, My top notch CSR and estimator has been with me for 9 years and just got a pay raise bringing her to $16.50/hour. She also does all payroll, sales tax, employee W4's, etc....a/r and a/p I would be hesitant to pay a new employee more than your other 2 csr's -- all sorts of problems could pop up. Yes, I know employees are not to share information like that but.....also, would it be fair? Just my 2 cents worth. Robin p.s. did this applicant state that she would not work for less? Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From k_graham at hotmail.com Sun May 20 11:51:13 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Sun May 20 11:51:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Kinko's / Staples .... do they know howtoprice??? References: <464B0291.12986.42DE94EC@slb.inkspot.net><01d801c79807$aa5a5bf0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> <53212EEE-51B4-42AE-879C-3811B510292F@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: >Assuming actual time of 7 hours this would equal $320.89 per hour after >direct costs. >Of course, you already know this, which is why you said you would match >it. >Ben Travis Well the cheap big job did not materialize but a Word / PDF job came in of 60 large sets equaling 15000 copies, mixed Color and black. We are printing on Futura Gloss Text 80#, at 35 cents per side, Color and 15 cents photo black. Staples here has 2 Docucolor 12's so can't do duplex coated unless they hand gather. On the downside the file refused to print 2 up, using the 2 up feature in the Fiery under Finishing, Booklet maker. I therefore tried using the Impose feature of the included Imposing 6 on the External Fiery and received this message. "Postscript file created from encrypted, Redistilling not permitted" I am going down to shop to reload with paper this morning, Only thing I can think of is to try opening with CS2, which I would normally leave to the graphic artist, being much more familiar with Corel. Of Course we need this job Tuesday and Monday here in Canada is a holiday, so won't see Graphic artist till then. This brings up additional issues - I sure wouldn't do color at under 20 cents unless it was times 2 based on 11x17 run and thats where I would have been trying to match Staples pricing on the job I had mentioned. My wife uses the services of a dressmaker when in Mexico and even with the low wages there they have the good sense to more than double the materials cost in case they ruin the materials. At the minimu this means I must state I will match price if job can be ran 2 up. Also our local Staples has 2 Docucolor 12's likely only to use one for the job, and would not be able to complete a fast turnaround job so if time is of the essense, no price break. This leaves the job that involves lots of time to do, for which I will match, if job can be ran 2 up. Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika On May 17, 2007, at 12:26 AM, wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> Normal price: $35,600.00 >> Discount - 21,790.00 >> Discounted price 13,810.00 >> Tax + 586.93 >> Net Price $14,396.93 > > on 40,000 copies that is 34.5 cents each is that for 8.5x11 single sided? > > Our 2nd store manager called today, a client has told him Staples offered > 19.5 cent color copies on a 300 set order, over 19,000 copies., > publisher file. They are advertising 50 cent copies so this seems quite a > reduction. With 9.5 cents click charge I wouldn't want to match but 2 up > I will, but I want to see the quote. Now the question is what paper are > they using, 24# laser or 20# copy paper. > > Incidentally 19.5 cents Canadian is 17.7 cents U.S.. Staples here has > been open about 6 months. > > Not sure what pricing grid to go with if I am going to match these guys, > seems like were going to have to use a similar strategy though - ie We > have the best price, if not we'll match. > > This is starting to look a lot like farming :( > > Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com > CommunityPrinters.com > 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC > V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 > Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Sun May 20 17:18:13 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Sun May 20 17:18:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What do you think about this price scenario? Message-ID: Suppose you need to get 3 or 4 quotes on something like a paint job for your car. You get three prices all in a range of $375-$450 from 3 well known sources....a dealership; and two franchise places. You also get a price of $149 from an independent who's been around a long time. You're smart enough to compare apples to apples when you talk to all 4 shops. Base solely on the above information (and not calling your friends for a referral), what decision would you feel most comfortable making? Thanks, Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 From cpurvine1 at cox.net Sun May 20 17:56:37 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Sun May 20 17:56:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What do you think about this price scenario? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000901c79b29$bdad3cc0$0200a8c0@corapurvine> I would go with the Independent not solely because of price, but because he HAS been around for a long time and there must be a reason. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of larry Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 4:18 PM To: Printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] What do you think about this price scenario? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Suppose you need to get 3 or 4 quotes on something like a paint job for your car. You get three prices all in a range of $375-$450 from 3 well known sources....a dealership; and two franchise places. You also get a price of $149 from an independent who's been around a long time. You're smart enough to compare apples to apples when you talk to all 4 shops. Base solely on the above information (and not calling your friends for a referral), what decision would you feel most comfortable making? Thanks, Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2278 (20070520) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Sun May 20 18:35:30 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Sun May 20 18:35:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What do you think about this price scenario? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0705201535l1f9100c9uaafe267441de2bd3@mail.gmail.com> On 5/20/07, larry wrote: > > Base solely on the above information (and not calling your friends for a referral), what decision would you feel most comfortable making? Interesting question -- but after trying to answer it for myself, I realize that without more information, it would be a crapshoot. Dealerships feel safe on the surface, but my experience with dealers is that it is common for them to charge a lot for only mediocre quality service. The independent has been around a long time which says something in his favor, but I'd be leery of his low price and the possible low quality of his materials. And two franchisees? You now how shifty *they* can be! Actually, they most likely use a "proven system" and possibly benefit from the use of well-tested materials and techniques, so I'd probably go with one of them. That said, an interesting variation on your question might be: if you could investigate just *one thing* (or make just one inquiry) to help make your decision, what would it be? And what would the second one be if the first resulted in a tie? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== I tell you, we are here on Earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you different. ~Kurt Vonnegut From QKCONSULT at aol.com Sun May 20 19:43:02 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Sun May 20 19:43:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What do you think about this price scenario? Message-ID: In a message dated 5/20/2007 6:36:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com writes: That said, an interesting variation on your question might be: if you could investigate just *one thing* (or make just one inquiry) to help make your decision, what would it be? And what would the second one be if the first resulted in a tie? That question raised, raises another quandary and that is not even really knowing what the one or two most important questions to ask might be. I suppose proper prepping of the surface is incredibly important, but is sanding enough, or does it require an acid wash.... then of course, just like in papers, there must be a significant different in paint quality and how it cures or dries..... Unless you're in the industry, it would almost impossible to know whether you are being BS'd or not... in that event, you really need to find someone you can trust. Testimonials still count, and I'm not sure why they should be ruled out in this very interesting poll. I have a friend who is a fanatic about cars and has rebuilt many so I guess I would call him. I guess the willingness of a vendor to provide a very specific guarantee would carry a lot of weight, especially down here in Florida, but most of these types of guarantees seem pretty vague or very time limited, especially down here in Florida where cars are subjected to so much heat, humidity and worst of all salt-spray for at least 12 hours a day. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From gailscott at eos.net Sun May 20 22:57:16 2007 From: gailscott at eos.net (Gail & Scott Finke) Date: Sun May 20 23:16:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What do you think about this price scenario? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Larry: For me it would definitely depend on the independent. Some companies, as we know, can be around for a long time but not very good or very smart with pricing. Others can be fanastic. My parents used the same mechanic for decades, and he was always much cheaper than the dealers or franchises -- no fees to pay, no advertising at all, etc. So what is the reputation of the independent? And these days, how does the place look? I think the day of the awful looking independent are gone or going. Now anyone who has ever seen our place will laugh at that, or at least our old place! But these days people expect a certain amount of professionalism from the places they shop, they've been trained by malls and franchises. That said, I got a quote on replacing the roof of my house today from two tatooed guys in a nice truck. It's $2000 cheaper than my other quotes. They were recommended to me by someone I know who buys and fixes up houses to rent out. I've seen the properties and he is pretty demanding, but that kind of contractor is different from the ones who typically work with homeowners, and cheaper too. But I am not the typical demanding rental property owner, so I am afraid to take this low bid. Low bids are scary. Gail Finke ----------------- Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 513-522-2679 info@brentwood-printing.com on 5/20/07 5:18 PM, larry at eatnsleepgolf@msn.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Suppose you need to get 3 or 4 quotes on something like a paint job for your > car. > > You get three prices all in a range of $375-$450 from 3 well known > sources....a dealership; and two franchise places. > > You also get a price of $149 from an independent who's been around a long > time. > > You're smart enough to compare apples to apples when you talk to all 4 shops. > > Base solely on the above information (and not calling your friends for a > referral), what decision would you feel most comfortable making? > > Thanks, > > Larry Taylor > Desert Pacific Printing > Tucson, AZ > 520-745-8004 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From scott at usacolor.com Sun May 20 23:55:30 2007 From: scott at usacolor.com (scott balsiger) Date: Sun May 20 23:55:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What do you think about this price scenario? References: Message-ID: <000e01c79b5b$e0394f90$0602a8c0@user30eca33b96> Who ever buys the most printing from me. If it was an insurance claim...then perhaps it would be who ever offered the best steak package! ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry" To: "Printowners" Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 4:18 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] What do you think about this price scenario? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Suppose you need to get 3 or 4 quotes on something like a paint job for your car. You get three prices all in a range of $375-$450 from 3 well known sources....a dealership; and two franchise places. You also get a price of $149 from an independent who's been around a long time. You're smart enough to compare apples to apples when you talk to all 4 shops. Base solely on the above information (and not calling your friends for a referral), what decision would you feel most comfortable making? Thanks, Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jedwards at printzilla.net Mon May 21 09:29:32 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Mon May 21 09:31:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What do you think about this price scenario? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <67DEE3D2-EF5B-431B-94F5-13590BEB77C9@printzilla.net> On May 20, 2007, at 4:18 PM, larry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Suppose you need to get 3 or 4 quotes on something like a paint job > for your car. > > You get three prices all in a range of $375-$450 from 3 well known > sources....a dealership; and two franchise places. > > You also get a price of $149 from an independent who's been around > a long time. > It all depends upon what you want. Are you painting a work truck or a 57 Chevy? Me, I would go with an independent expecting their price to be more like $1449, relative to the hypothetical quotes in the line above it. I know this must have something to do with printing and not auto body work, something more to do with business in general perhaps, but believe it or not the comparison of the two businesses comes up for discussion here every Friday night when the owners and selected personnel of three independent auto restoration shops show up for happy hour. BTW, my first job was in an independent body shop I could ride my bike to, 50 cents and hour sanding and prepping cars. And, only 20 some years ago we actually considered and even put money down on MAACO before this printing fluke came up. So glad we didn't. Independents will sometimes grossly underbid when business is slow. Your project gets worked on until it gets bumped by real paying customers (insurance claims for instance) and may sit on the back burner for years while you, the customer, becomes a nuisance to the shop and if it ever does get finished it's just to get it out the door. Sounds more and more like printing now, doesn't it? The franchise painting shops push cars through as fast as they can and their painters paint lots of cars. It's the prepping that suffers. Strip the car for painting, do all your own body work and prepping, then take the car in for painting. Sounds like printing again, design something that can be printed and have your files ready for plates. I often think of and compare this printing stuff to the auto body repair business. The employees are sure enough like auto repair technicians. And the customers always put a loupe on their new paint job, especially if it is not an insurance claim. As I used to pass by the intersection of Lankershim and Riverside everyday I would look over at George Barris' shop and think "that's what I'd like to be doing." Jack Edwards Printing Plus Oak Ridge North, Texas From mark at newprinting.com Mon May 21 09:32:14 2007 From: mark at newprinting.com (Mark Weinfurter) Date: Mon May 21 09:32:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Quick CSR/Estimator Comp. Survey In-Reply-To: <20070519160004.970EF85C3EE@rb.enter.net> References: <20070519160004.970EF85C3EE@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <58bcbbc7e02fe6c29854e036a0543f17@newprinting.com> We start our CSR's fairly high - $17/hr and increase them fairly quickly. I don't believe in putting them on salary. If they were on salary, I think they would be lax about their approach. Being hourly gives them a chance at a fair amount of over time - (I tend to run a bit understaffed here.) One thing that works very well and gets them motivated is that I give them a small % commission. It' only 1/3% of all orders they write up, which is given annually. Our better csr's can handle about $1MM/year, which gives them a commission of over $3,000. They realize if they don't keep the customers on board, they loose also. With a reasonable amount of overtime, their commission, bonuses and profit sharing, some of our csr's are approaching $50M/yr. Thanks, Mark Weinfurter N. E. W. Printing 1718 E. Wisconsin Ave. Appleton, WI 54911 1-888-563-0400 Fax 920-735-9945 www.newprinting.com mark@newprinting.com 'A very cool web site...www.newprinting.com' > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 15:09:24 -0700 > From: Eric Pearson > Subject: [PrintOwners] Quick CSR/Estimator Comp. Survey > To: "printowners printweb.org" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > > We've recently lost our lead CSR/Estimator. To make a long story > short, she > resigned rather than committing to take care of ALL of our customers > well > (read: come to find out she was being curt and terse to those with > whom she > didn't get a long causing defections). She had been at almost > $16.00/hour > and we felt that based on all the surveys we'd seen that we were right > at > the top of the range for that position. Our other two are between $13 > and > $14/hr. > > On advertising the position this past weekend, we have a prospect > that's > coming out of a much larger shop at $21/hour. I almost fell off my > chair > when I saw this! They started her there and she's stayed there for the > past > 5 years. Perhaps they're of the mind also that $21 is quite high > compared to > the market for this position. > > That said, what is anyone else paying for this position ? customer > service > and estimating? > > Eric Pearson > President/C.E.O. > > ------------ > > TechnaPrint, Inc. > 909 Garfield Street > Eugene, OR 97402-2706 > (541) 344-4062 > (541) 344-1765 Fax > > ep101@technaprint.com > www.technaprint.com > > > From John at mpcny.com Mon May 21 09:45:47 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Mon May 21 09:45:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What do you think about this price In-Reply-To: <20070521133234.BB55B862E00@rb.enter.net> References: <20070521133234.BB55B862E00@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <000501c79bae$56cb0930$04611b90$@com> Sounds like print buying to me. I would just go online and find a cheaper price. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for First, Second and Standard Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 5/20/2007 7:54 AM From latson at koyote.com Mon May 21 09:55:43 2007 From: latson at koyote.com (Dick Latson) Date: Mon May 21 09:57:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Mac and Fiery issues Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20070521085414.026015e0@mail.koyote.com> >I know, should of paid attention when these issues were being >discussed, but you know how it is, one tends not to pay attention >until it is his problem. I hope the list will indulge me with some >advice. > >My Canon reps cannot get my new Mac and 3220 with Fiery talking. >According to the tech, Fiery does not have drivers available for >the new Intel core 2 duo I-macs, we have spent days on this >downloading drivers, re-configuring , and etc. Down right shame my >brand spanking new I-Mac cannot produce anything on my brand >spanking new copier. >Advice will be appreciated. Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: Dick@latsons.com www.latsons.com From latson at koyote.com Mon May 21 10:21:12 2007 From: latson at koyote.com (Dick Latson) Date: Mon May 21 10:21:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Mac and Fiery issues Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20070521091413.0214e708@mail.koyote.com> I know , should of paid attention when these issues were being discussed a while back, but you know how it is, one tends not to pay attention until it is his problem. I hope the list will indulge me with some advice. My Canon reps cannot get my new Mac and 3220 with Fiery talking. According to the tech, Fiery does not have the drivers available for the new Intel core 2 duo I-macs, we have spent several days on this downloading drivers, re-configuring, and etc. It is a down right shame my brand spanking new I-Mac cannot produce anything on my brand spanking new copier. Advice will be appreciated. -Dick Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: Dick@latsons.com www.latsons.com From nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com Mon May 21 11:04:32 2007 From: nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com (Nancy) Date: Mon May 21 11:04:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF, Request to VENT!!! Another attempted Break In References: <20070519160004.970EF85C3EE@rb.enter.net> <58bcbbc7e02fe6c29854e036a0543f17@newprinting.com> Message-ID: <002201c79bb9$56d149c0$0500a8c0@Nancy> -----Wahhhhhhhhhhhhha, I need to vent. Week before last on Tuesday night someone tried unsuccessfully to break in. Wed they came back, were successful and got into the shop. Little damage, couple hundred dollars in cash and "stuff" taken. Blanked swell poured over the press & rollers although the ink inductor rollers seems to be the only one that it got on. Over the weekend, they tried again. Unsuccessful again because the landlord had put in better locks with mega deadbolts. This time they came with a file which they broke and left the tip. Really busted up the deadbolt on the lock but the deadbolts going to the upper frame and into the floor held. I am at my wits end. We had talked about increased security but had not decided exactly what needed done. Figured it was kids and they wouldn't be back after they saw there was nothing of interest here. Today I have 2 security companies on their way. Money I will need to spend that I shouldn't have to. Police are concerned with why someone wants in here so bad. So am I. Makeing security decals reading "Black Dog Security" We also have 3 security companies coming to give estimates. Nancy Middleton The Printing Place, Inc. 5878 Cook Road, Suite F Milford, OH 45150 nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax 877/248-8774 Toll Free www.theprintingplaceinc.com we now have web hosting From bernies at printnetusa.com Mon May 21 11:07:11 2007 From: bernies at printnetusa.com (Bernie Schreiber) Date: Mon May 21 11:07:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Unprinted Kraft Ctns for 3-Ring Binders (Manuals) - 05/21/2007 Message-ID: <013d01c79bb9$b67f4e80$0b000078@bernie> Unprinted Kraft Ctns for 3-Ring Binders (Manuals) As of 05/21/2007 We print lots of manuals that are shipped all over the country in 3-Ring binders. We have had difficulty finding the correct size cartons for various size binders. If you are interested, we are placing an order with the factory for the following unprinted cartons. We have designed them for shipping small quantities of 3-Ring Binders, as we were not able to locate the exact sizes from a commercial supplier. If you are interested in placing an order, please order via e-mail-directly or fax it to us. We would need credit card information & authorization, including the V# security code on the rear of VISA or M/C We will be placing our order in 5 days. Production Time: 2 weeks We will ship F.O.B. Nashville via FedEx Ground For most of the country, as we are centrally located, shipping Takes from 1-3 days. _______________________________________________ Unprinted Kraft Ctns for 3-Ring Binders (Manuals) As of 05/21/2007 ....For up to 4-1" Binders; 2-2" Binders; or 1-3" Binders When binders are packed each one is turned 180 degrees. _______________________________________________ #132 Unprinted Kraft Cartons - 12-1/4" x 12" x 3-7/8" (w additional score @ 2-7/8") RSC /29ECT (= 175#test) (Factory specs: 12.04 x 12.00 x 3.14) ...pkg of 25 - [25x15x8] = 15lbs .....Sell: $66.50/100 ...less 10% /250 ...less 25% /1000 Must be Paid by Credit Card in advance, to be included in order. Prices do not include shipping from Nashville, TN _______________________________________________ Unprinted Kraft Ctns for 3-Ring Binders (Manuals) As of 05/21/2007 ....For up to 6-1" Binders; 4-2" Binders; or 2-3" Binders When binders are packed each one is turned 180 degrees. _______________________________________________ #135 Unprinted Kraft Cartons - 12-1/4" x 12" x 7-3/8" (w additional score @ 6-3/8") RSC /29ECT (= 175#test) (Factory specs: 12.04 x 12.00 x 7.06) ...pkg of 25 - [25x15x8] = 18lbs .....Sell: $75.00/100 ...less 10% /250 ...less 25% /1000 Must be Paid by Credit Card in advance, to be included in order. Prices do not include shipping from Nashville, TN Bernie Schreiber PrintNet USA, Inc. 7005 Westbelt Drive Nashville, TN 37209 615.385.9100.....Fax: 615.298.4234 bernies@printnetusa.com From mail at myprinter.biz Mon May 21 11:21:05 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Mon May 21 11:20:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF, Request to VENT!!! Another attempted Break In In-Reply-To: <002201c79bb9$56d149c0$0500a8c0@Nancy> Message-ID: Nancy - Have you made, laminated, and posted the 4/0, official-looking signs saying, "The Printing Place, Inc. is now protected by remote video surveillance - a service of NetCam Security, Inc." If not, why not? There's not much to lose if it doesn't help...and a lot to gain if it does. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Nancy Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:05 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF, Request to VENT!!! Another attempted Break In ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** -----Wahhhhhhhhhhhhha, I need to vent. Week before last on Tuesday night someone tried unsuccessfully to break in. Wed they came back, were successful and got into the shop. Little damage, couple hundred dollars in cash and "stuff" taken. Blanked swell poured over the press & rollers although the ink inductor rollers seems to be the only one that it got on. Over the weekend, they tried again. Unsuccessful again because the landlord had put in better locks with mega deadbolts. This time they came with a file which they broke and left the tip. Really busted up the deadbolt on the lock but the deadbolts going to the upper frame and into the floor held. I am at my wits end. We had talked about increased security but had not decided exactly what needed done. Figured it was kids and they wouldn't be back after they saw there was nothing of interest here. Today I have 2 security companies on their way. Money I will need to spend that I shouldn't have to. Police are concerned with why someone wants in here so bad. So am I. Makeing security decals reading "Black Dog Security" We also have 3 security companies coming to give estimates. Nancy Middleton The Printing Place, Inc. 5878 Cook Road, Suite F Milford, OH 45150 nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax 877/248-8774 Toll Free www.theprintingplaceinc.com we now have web hosting _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jgross at techiowa.com Mon May 21 11:22:10 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Mon May 21 11:22:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF, Request to VENT!!! Another attempted Break In In-Reply-To: <002201c79bb9$56d149c0$0500a8c0@Nancy> Message-ID: <008501c79bbb$cd4ccaa0$1e00000a@tech.local> Nancy, About ten years ago I spent countless hours trying to catch someone with a key hitting us 2-3 times a week for $50 - 150 a time. The cops were worthless with UV dyes on a planted cash box. I videotaped from about 10 PM nightly until the tape ran out. I sat in a back room several nights on all nighters - read Michner's Texas in a week. Finally I caught on two cameras a former employee at 5AM taking the money. We were really fond of her - the personality and looks of Dolly Parton, a real hard working gal but with a clothes habit out of control. When I alerted my wife at home she reminded me that we weren't a social services agency to manage this ourselves - call the cops. I did and we got restitution and she got a conditional sentence and last we heard a job as a waitress. May have done well, I don't know. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. Iowa City, Iowa jgross@techiowa.com From swiftyprinting at mac.com Mon May 21 11:43:31 2007 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Mon May 21 11:43:35 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Mac and Fiery issues In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20070521091413.0214e708@mail.koyote.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20070521091413.0214e708@mail.koyote.com> Message-ID: <0172C599-7A66-41E4-88C8-E3262204BD69@mac.com> On May 21, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Dick Latson wrote: > It is a down right shame my brand spanking new I-Mac cannot produce > anything on my brand spanking new copier. > Advice will be appreciated. Just another good reason for a PDF work flow. All jobs go to PDF, proof and then when time to print just drop the PDF in to the RIP. No printdriver issues, no platform issues. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com From bherion at bucksdigital.com Mon May 21 11:43:01 2007 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Mon May 21 11:43:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: What do you think about this price scenario? In-Reply-To: <20070521133234.BB55B862E00@rb.enter.net> References: <20070521133234.BB55B862E00@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070521113808.028f3f18@bucksdigital.com> At 09:32 AM 5/21/2007, you wrote: >You also get a price of $149 from an independent who's been around a >long time. You need to be good and you need to make money to stay around a long time, therefore I feel this is my choice. The others may be as good, but their costs are more for various and obvious reasons. I'd love to be able to help them with that, but as long as this independent is around, he'll get my business. Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From jedwards at printzilla.net Mon May 21 11:43:06 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Mon May 21 11:45:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF, Request to VENT!!! Another attempted Break In In-Reply-To: <008501c79bbb$cd4ccaa0$1e00000a@tech.local> References: <008501c79bbb$cd4ccaa0$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: On May 21, 2007, at 10:22 AM, John Gross wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Nancy, About ten years ago I spent countless hours trying to catch > someone > with a key hitting us 2-3 times a week for $50 - 150 a time. I read a story in my hometown newspaper where this guy was stealing women's underwear from clotheslines. By the time the police got involved the women in the area were almost out of underwear. This one sharp detective went to the store, bought some new garments and hung them on the line. Then he climbed a nearby tree and when the rat came for the cheese he jumped down and caught him. Why wouldn't something like that work in this case? Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas From russ at mobile-print.com Mon May 21 12:57:48 2007 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Mon May 21 11:59:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF, Request to VENT!!! Another attempted Break In In-Reply-To: References: <008501c79bbb$cd4ccaa0$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: <4651CF8C.7040107@mobile-print.com> > > I read a story in my hometown newspaper where this guy was stealing > women's underwear from clotheslines. By the time the police got > involved the women in the area were almost out of underwear. This one > sharp detective went to the store, bought some new garments and hung > them on the line. Then he climbed a nearby tree and when the rat came > for the cheese he jumped down and caught him. Why wouldn't something > like that work in this case? You mean you want to hang womens underwear outside your shop and go climb a tree?? Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847-398-6155 Fax: 847-398-0788 From armand at curryonline.com Mon May 21 11:59:47 2007 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Mon May 21 11:59:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF, Request to VENT!!! Another attempted Break In In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0MKp8S-1HqAIE1HmS-0002uB@mrelay.perfora.net> Jack, Do you think Nancy has underwear in her shop? Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jack Edwards Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:43 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] OFF, Request to VENT!!! Another attempted Break In ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On May 21, 2007, at 10:22 AM, John Gross wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Nancy, About ten years ago I spent countless hours trying to catch > someone > with a key hitting us 2-3 times a week for $50 - 150 a time. I read a story in my hometown newspaper where this guy was stealing women's underwear from clotheslines. By the time the police got involved the women in the area were almost out of underwear. This one sharp detective went to the store, bought some new garments and hung them on the line. Then he climbed a nearby tree and when the rat came for the cheese he jumped down and caught him. Why wouldn't something like that work in this case? Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jgross at techiowa.com Mon May 21 11:59:47 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Mon May 21 11:59:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF, Request to VENT!!! Another attempted Break In In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <009f01c79bc1$0eccba80$1e00000a@tech.local> It did! Only I hid behind a blueprint machine reading with an itty bitty book lite. And two video cameras. A retail friend taught me to not confront the burglar, especially since I had her on video. He talked about shoplifters, who, when confronted in a manager's office ripped their blouse and screamed Rape. Scared me. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. > > Nancy, About ten years ago I spent countless hours trying to catch > someone > with a key hitting us 2-3 times a week for $50 - 150 a time. I read a story in my hometown newspaper where this guy was stealing women's underwear from clotheslines. By the time the police got involved the women in the area were almost out of underwear. This one sharp detective went to the store, bought some new garments and hung them on the line. Then he climbed a nearby tree and when the rat came for the cheese he jumped down and caught him. Why wouldn't something like that work in this case? Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From pressexpress at bfm.org Mon May 21 12:24:43 2007 From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Mon May 21 12:25:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF, Request to VENT!!! Another attempted Break In In-Reply-To: <4651CF8C.7040107@mobile-print.com> References: <008501c79bbb$cd4ccaa0$1e00000a@tech.local> <4651CF8C.7040107@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: Russ, You made my day! You're the man! G On May 21, 2007, at 11:57 AM, Russ Peters wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >> >> I read a story in my hometown newspaper where this guy was >> stealing women's underwear from clotheslines. By the time the >> police got involved the women in the area were almost out of >> underwear. This one sharp detective went to the store, bought some >> new garments and hung them on the line. Then he climbed a nearby >> tree and when the rat came for the cheese he jumped down and >> caught him. Why wouldn't something like that work in this case? > > You mean you want to hang womens underwear outside your shop and go > climb a tree?? > > > Russ Peters > MOBILE PRINT, INC. > 201 W. Central Road > Mount Prospect, IL 60056 > Phone: 847-398-6155 > Fax: 847-398-0788 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From hal at pickimp.com Mon May 21 12:26:13 2007 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Mon May 21 12:25:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF, Request to VENT!!! Another attempted Break In References: <20070519160004.970EF85C3EE@rb.enter.net><58bcbbc7e02fe6c29854e036a0543f17@newprinting.com> <002201c79bb9$56d149c0$0500a8c0@Nancy> Message-ID: <002901c79bc4$cf4a5940$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Hire a couple of heavyweights to stay in the shop on a few weekends, when they break in have your new part-time employees leave permanent marks on their faces. I'm dead serious. If they wake up in the morning and look in the mirror I'm sure they'll never break in again. Hal Wendt IMP Printing & Graphics Design Southgate, Michigan USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:04 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF, Request to VENT!!! Another attempted Break In > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > -----Wahhhhhhhhhhhhha, > I need to vent. > > Week before last on Tuesday night someone tried unsuccessfully to break in. > Wed they came back, were successful and got into the shop. > Little damage, couple hundred dollars in cash and "stuff" taken. Blanked > swell poured over the press & rollers although the ink inductor rollers > seems to be the only one that it got on. > > Over the weekend, they tried again. Unsuccessful again because the landlord > had put in better locks with mega deadbolts. This time they came with a file > which they broke and left the tip. Really busted up the deadbolt on the lock > but the deadbolts going to the upper frame and into the floor held. > > I am at my wits end. We had talked about increased security but had not > decided exactly what needed done. Figured it was kids and they wouldn't be > back after they saw there was nothing of interest here. > Today I have 2 security companies on their way. Money I will need to spend > that I shouldn't have to. > > Police are concerned with why someone wants in here so bad. So am I. Makeing > security decals reading "Black Dog Security" > > We also have 3 security companies coming to give estimates. > > > Nancy Middleton > The Printing Place, Inc. > 5878 Cook Road, Suite F > Milford, OH 45150 > nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com > Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax > 877/248-8774 Toll Free > www.theprintingplaceinc.com > we now have web hosting > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From sos at olympus.net Mon May 21 12:38:07 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon May 21 12:40:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Printing, Autobody References: <20070521133234.BB55B862E00@rb.enter.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20070521113808.028f3f18@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <00b001c79bc6$6950ee90$0300a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Herion" >>You also get a price of $149 from an independent who's been around a long >>time. ===================== I've used an old guy with a barn like building, that he owns, out in the country. You'd never think it was much of a business to drive by, but he had all the equipment, and really knew what he was doing. He did good work at half the price of the big guys and that was 8, 9 years ago and it has held up very well. But without a recommendation from someone I trusted, my mechanic, and without talking to the guy and seeing the inside of his building, I'd have never used him because his price was so low. Watch out, I'm going to Jack out here. . . but many years ago, I was visiting my sister at college, Whitworth in north Spokane. She was still in class when I got there, so I was driving around, killing time, when my car just died. Wouldn't restart, it was just dead. I pushed it off to the side of the road and walked to the nearest house to call for help. But out in the garage, a kind of barn like building, I heard noise so I walked over and there were a couple guys working on a Formula I race car. I kid you not. I explained the problem and they whipped out a metal brush to clean the battery terminals with, which solved the problem like that "snap". Turned out to be Tom Sneva and his brother. Tom, I believe, won the Indianapolis 500 about 25 years ago and was a very successful racer for many years. And it all started in his garage in Spokane. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com Mon May 21 12:41:30 2007 From: nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com (Nancy) Date: Mon May 21 12:41:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF, Request to VENT!!! Another attempted Break In References: <008501c79bbb$cd4ccaa0$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: <003801c79bc6$e437a3b0$0500a8c0@Nancy> At this point in my life Jack, I don't think anyone would want my underwear. LOL Now 20 years ago, maybe. They were the little string things. Nan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Edwards" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] OFF, Request to VENT!!! Another attempted Break In > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > On May 21, 2007, at 10:22 AM, John Gross wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Nancy, About ten years ago I spent countless hours trying to catch >> someone >> with a key hitting us 2-3 times a week for $50 - 150 a time. > > > I read a story in my hometown newspaper where this guy was stealing > women's underwear from clotheslines. By the time the police got involved > the women in the area were almost out of underwear. This one sharp > detective went to the store, bought some new garments and hung them on > the line. Then he climbed a nearby tree and when the rat came for the > cheese he jumped down and caught him. Why wouldn't something like that > work in this case? > > Jack Edwards > Oak Ridge North, Texas > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From eking at whidbeyprinters.com Mon May 21 13:26:31 2007 From: eking at whidbeyprinters.com (Eric at Whidbey Printers) Date: Mon May 21 13:26:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Mac and Fiery issues In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20070521091413.0214e708@mail.koyote.com> Message-ID: I doubt that running an Intel Mac is the problem. OSX controls the printing. As long as you download and run the appropriate OSX installer for your rip model, it should work... Not sure if this fits your situation, but try this if you haven't already: When setting up the 'printer', use LPR/LPD for the Fiery option. You must enter a queue name, 'print' is preferred, and it needs to be entered in lower case. That's what I have to do to get my Macs to talk to our Fiery's. Hope this helps. On 5/21/07 7:21 AM, "Dick Latson" wrote: > My Canon reps cannot get my new Mac and 3220 with Fiery talking. According > to the tech, Fiery does not have the drivers available for the new Intel > core 2 duo I-macs, we have spent several days on this downloading drivers, > re-configuring, and etc. -- 2003 & 2002 Quality Award - Oak Harbor Chamber of Commerce 2001 Business of the Year - Oak Harbor Chamber of Commerce Eric King Whidbey Printers 1330 SW Barlow St #1 Oak Harbor, WA 98277 360-675-8837 Fax 360-679-4120 eking@whidbeyprinters.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon May 21 13:38:42 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon May 21 13:38:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Quick CSR/Estimator Comp. Survey In-Reply-To: <58bcbbc7e02fe6c29854e036a0543f17@newprinting.com> References: <20070519160004.970EF85C3EE@rb.enter.net> <58bcbbc7e02fe6c29854e036a0543f17@newprinting.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0705211038o2367576emab48e2803c6a0f4e@mail.gmail.com> On 5/21/07, Mark Weinfurter wrote: > > One thing that works very well and gets them motivated is that I give > them a small % commission. It' only 1/3% of all orders they write up, > which is given annually. Our better csr's can handle about $1MM/year, > which gives them a commission of over $3,000. They realize if they > don't keep the customers on board, they loose also. With a reasonable > amount of overtime, their commission, bonuses and profit sharing, some > of our csr's are approaching $50M/yr. A keeper! Excellent idea, Mark, and food for thought about how to compensate our employees in an amount that better reflects our desire for attracting better quality employees, and those who can be motivated by long-term goals. Prospective employees who want to earn the bucks without having to be held accountable for their effectiveness would automatically eliminate themselves in the hiring process. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== I tell you, we are here on Earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you different. ~Kurt Vonnegut From melissa at mykwikkopy.com Mon May 21 13:47:07 2007 From: melissa at mykwikkopy.com (Melissa Uber) Date: Mon May 21 13:47:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Mac and Fiery issues In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20070521091413.0214e708@mail.koyote.com> Message-ID: <03a101c79bd0$0d695c20$3e00000a@Melissa> We're kinda in the same boat - new Intel iMac with Fiery for 3200. We've been able to get it to print using the M2 PS Ver 2.1 driver off the canon usa site. But we've been having stability issues with the system and am not sure if it's because of the driver yet. Melissa Uber Kwik Kopy Printing Jamestown, NY -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dick Latson Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 10:21 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] New Mac and Fiery issues ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I know , should of paid attention when these issues were being discussed a while back, but you know how it is, one tends not to pay attention until it is his problem. I hope the list will indulge me with some advice. My Canon reps cannot get my new Mac and 3220 with Fiery talking. According to the tech, Fiery does not have the drivers available for the new Intel core 2 duo I-macs, we have spent several days on this downloading drivers, re-configuring, and etc. It is a down right shame my brand spanking new I-Mac cannot produce anything on my brand spanking new copier. Advice will be appreciated. -Dick Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: Dick@latsons.com www.latsons.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From tammie at macombprinter.com Mon May 21 14:07:52 2007 From: tammie at macombprinter.com (Tammie at Quickprinters) Date: Mon May 21 14:09:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change In-Reply-To: <4651CF8C.7040107@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: We will be having our 30th anniversary next year. I want to come up with a new logo that would be a little sleeker looking. So now I'm doing some thinking about our names - Quickprinters & Signs Express. It's kind of a mouthful on the phone. We started as Big Red Q Quickprint in '78, then after getting out of the franchise, we went to theQUICKPRINTers, then Quickprinters, Inc. Since we are a print shop that also does vinyl-cut and wide format signs, we have used the two names (Quickprinters & Signs Express) for the last 8 years or so. We have always had a form of "Quickprint" in the name, and I would like to keep that in there somehow. It is a very recognized name in our small city. Now, I'm thinking of something like Quick Printers & Signs. Kind of boring, but we could do a cool logo with it, making Quick stand out. I don't think I want to use the word graphics, because the word is to vague and broad for most people to know what it means. Any ideas, recommendations or thoughts? We want to print our calendars for '08 in the next month, so we need to get it done soon. Thanks, Tammie Tammie Speer, owner **************** Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ______________________________ QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com/ A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ Or call for a FREE CD full of information. ______________________________ From ahavens at sbcglobal.net Mon May 21 15:39:10 2007 From: ahavens at sbcglobal.net (Havens Printing and Copy Shop) Date: Mon May 21 15:39:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change References: Message-ID: <00ef01c79bdf$b4bf0ba0$1a01a8c0@Leah> Try this, Quick Print & Signage Austin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tammie at Quickprinters" To: "Printowners List" Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 1:07 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We will be having our 30th anniversary next year. I want to come up with a new logo that would be a little sleeker looking. So now I'm doing some thinking about our names - Quickprinters & Signs Express. It's kind of a mouthful on the phone. We started as Big Red Q Quickprint in '78, then after getting out of the franchise, we went to theQUICKPRINTers, then Quickprinters, Inc. Since we are a print shop that also does vinyl-cut and wide format signs, we have used the two names (Quickprinters & Signs Express) for the last 8 years or so. We have always had a form of "Quickprint" in the name, and I would like to keep that in there somehow. It is a very recognized name in our small city. Now, I'm thinking of something like Quick Printers & Signs. Kind of boring, but we could do a cool logo with it, making Quick stand out. I don't think I want to use the word graphics, because the word is to vague and broad for most people to know what it means. Any ideas, recommendations or thoughts? We want to print our calendars for '08 in the next month, so we need to get it done soon. Thanks, Tammie Tammie Speer, owner **************** Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ______________________________ QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com/ A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ Or call for a FREE CD full of information. ______________________________ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sciesemier at pagepath.com Mon May 21 15:39:18 2007 From: sciesemier at pagepath.com (Steve Ciesemier) Date: Mon May 21 15:40:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change In-Reply-To: References: <4651CF8C.7040107@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: Quick Printers & Signs seems like a mix of what you are (printer) and what you sell (signs), Tammy. Or maybe you sell printers along with signs? :-) Maybe "Quick Prints & Signs"? It's a bit shorter and seems to tell a cohesive story about what you sell (Prints & Signs) and the expected turnaround time (Quick). "Quick Prints & Quick Signs" is probably too long an unnecessarily redundant. -Steve *********************************************************** Steve Ciesemier PagePath Technologies, Inc. 13 East Main Street Plano, IL 60545-1521 Phone & Fax: 630-689-4112 mailto:SCiesemier@pagepath.com http://www.pagepath.com MyOrderDesk - named Product of the Year by PrintImage International & Best of Breed by Xerox MyOrderDesk - Snag-Free print ready files, no matter the size. Eliminate frustration, spend more time winning & keeping customers, improve your profits. *********************************************************** From ed at graphicprintersinc.com Mon May 21 15:48:51 2007 From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce) Date: Mon May 21 15:48:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change In-Reply-To: <00ef01c79bdf$b4bf0ba0$1a01a8c0@Leah> Message-ID: <009c01c79be1$0edc1640$5a01a8c0@fileserver> You can be sure that no matter how clear your name is in telling your story someone will call and ask do you print T-Shirts or graphics for vehicles. I have been asked can I print on a Coke bottle? Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Havens Printing and Copy Shop Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:39 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Try this, Quick Print & Signage Austin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tammie at Quickprinters" To: "Printowners List" Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 1:07 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We will be having our 30th anniversary next year. I want to come up with a new logo that would be a little sleeker looking. So now I'm doing some thinking about our names - Quickprinters & Signs Express. It's kind of a mouthful on the phone. We started as Big Red Q Quickprint in '78, then after getting out of the franchise, we went to theQUICKPRINTers, then Quickprinters, Inc. Since we are a print shop that also does vinyl-cut and wide format signs, we have used the two names (Quickprinters & Signs Express) for the last 8 years or so. We have always had a form of "Quickprint" in the name, and I would like to keep that in there somehow. It is a very recognized name in our small city. Now, I'm thinking of something like Quick Printers & Signs. Kind of boring, but we could do a cool logo with it, making Quick stand out. I don't think I want to use the word graphics, because the word is to vague and broad for most people to know what it means. Any ideas, recommendations or thoughts? We want to print our calendars for '08 in the next month, so we need to get it done soon. Thanks, Tammie Tammie Speer, owner **************** Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ______________________________ QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com/ A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ Or call for a FREE CD full of information. ______________________________ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2282 (20070521) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Mon May 21 15:49:03 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Mon May 21 15:49:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change Message-ID: In a message dated 5/21/2007 2:11:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tammie@macombprinter.com writes: We will be having our 30th anniversary next year. I want to come up with a new logo that would be a little sleeker looking. So now I'm doing some thinking about our names - Quickprinters & Signs Express. It's kind of a mouthful on the phone. A couple of possibilities..... Print & Sign Masters or Print/Sign Masters Printmasters & Signs Macomb Pringmasters & Signs (MPS) or Macomb P&S Print Masters & Signs (you could always answer this one as PMS) At this moment in time "Masters" has a nice ring but I might change my mind in a while. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." New Book - "Print Shop For Sale" by Larry Hunt & John Stewart _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From tammie at macombprinter.com Mon May 21 15:47:42 2007 From: tammie at macombprinter.com (Tammie at Quickprinters) Date: Mon May 21 15:50:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes, I've actually been playing with Quick Print and Signs. I'm not sure about prints or print though. Thanks, Tammie > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Quick Printers & Signs seems like a mix of what you are (printer) and > what you sell (signs), Tammy. Or maybe you sell printers along with > signs? :-) > > Maybe "Quick Prints & Signs"? It's a bit shorter and seems to tell a > cohesive story about what you sell (Prints & Signs) and the expected > turnaround time (Quick). > > "Quick Prints & Quick Signs" is probably too long an unnecessarily > redundant. > -Steve > *********************************************************** > Steve Ciesemier Tammie Speer owner **************** tammie@macombprinter.com ______________________________ QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS 1120 East Jackson Street Macomb, IL 61455 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com ______________________________ From nt at andrewsblueprint.com Mon May 21 15:55:41 2007 From: nt at andrewsblueprint.com (Nancy Thomsen) Date: Mon May 21 15:56:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change In-Reply-To: References: <4651CF8C.7040107@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20070521124521.02c42068@mail.andrewsblueprint.com> We are slowly getting around an name issue that drives me nuts. There is no "Andrews" and we don't do "Blueprinting" so why use Andrews Blueprint? Because we have been here for 45 years and our current customers will always know us as "Andrews". So we are slowly introducing a new name for the "Printing" side of the business. The new name is Gryphon Grafix. We are located on Griffin street. Get it? But gryphongrafix.com was the only URL we could find. So we are using "Gryphon Grafix a division on Andrews Blueprint" to brand our upscale graphics and print division. Nancy Nancy Thomsen Andrews Blueprint, Inc. 269 Griffin St. Salinas, CA 93901 831-424-0331 Fax 831-424-7485 Fax www.andrewsblueprint.com At 11:07 AM 5/21/2007, Tammie at Quickprinters wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We will be having our 30th anniversary next year. I want to come up with a >new logo that would be a little sleeker looking. So now I'm doing some >thinking about our names - Quickprinters & Signs Express. It's kind of a >mouthful on the phone. > >We started as Big Red Q Quickprint in '78, then after getting out of the >franchise, we went to theQUICKPRINTers, then Quickprinters, Inc. Since we >are a print shop that also does vinyl-cut and wide format signs, we have >used the two names (Quickprinters & Signs Express) for the last 8 years or >so. We have always had a form of "Quickprint" in the name, and I would like >to keep that in there somehow. It is a very recognized name in our small >city. > >Now, I'm thinking of something like Quick Printers & Signs. Kind of boring, >but we could do a cool logo with it, making Quick stand out. I don't think I >want to use the word graphics, because the word is to vague and broad for >most people to know what it means. > >Any ideas, recommendations or thoughts? We want to print our calendars for >'08 in the next month, so we need to get it done soon. > >Thanks, >Tammie > > >Tammie Speer, owner >**************** From mail at myprinter.biz Mon May 21 15:58:02 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Mon May 21 15:57:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change In-Reply-To: <009c01c79be1$0edc1640$5a01a8c0@fileserver> Message-ID: Ed - We used to get the occasional call asking us how much we charge for our quick oil changes or same-day deliveries of packages. I was sometimes tempted to quote them, figuring the callers were too stupid to find us. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Ed Pierce Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 3:49 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** You can be sure that no matter how clear your name is in telling your story someone will call and ask do you print T-Shirts or graphics for vehicles. I have been asked can I print on a Coke bottle? Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Havens Printing and Copy Shop Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:39 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Try this, Quick Print & Signage Austin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tammie at Quickprinters" To: "Printowners List" Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 1:07 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We will be having our 30th anniversary next year. I want to come up with a new logo that would be a little sleeker looking. So now I'm doing some thinking about our names - Quickprinters & Signs Express. It's kind of a mouthful on the phone. We started as Big Red Q Quickprint in '78, then after getting out of the franchise, we went to theQUICKPRINTers, then Quickprinters, Inc. Since we are a print shop that also does vinyl-cut and wide format signs, we have used the two names (Quickprinters & Signs Express) for the last 8 years or so. We have always had a form of "Quickprint" in the name, and I would like to keep that in there somehow. It is a very recognized name in our small city. Now, I'm thinking of something like Quick Printers & Signs. Kind of boring, but we could do a cool logo with it, making Quick stand out. I don't think I want to use the word graphics, because the word is to vague and broad for most people to know what it means. Any ideas, recommendations or thoughts? We want to print our calendars for '08 in the next month, so we need to get it done soon. Thanks, Tammie Tammie Speer, owner **************** Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ______________________________ QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com/ A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ Or call for a FREE CD full of information. ______________________________ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2282 (20070521) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From noel.alford at gmail.com Mon May 21 16:03:46 2007 From: noel.alford at gmail.com (Noel Alford) Date: Mon May 21 16:03:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <82db7cdd0705211303v5b74e804o6bf1c79e710c2205@mail.gmail.com> you could use the slogan "We do pringing wright the first time!" On 5/21/07, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > > > Macomb Pringmasters & Signs (MPS) or Macomb P&S > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > New Book - "Print Shop For Sale" > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Noel Alford The Document Imaging Group 401 East Capitol Street Suite 400 Jackson, MS 39201 601.948.1101 From stumarty at wrightprinting.com Mon May 21 16:09:46 2007 From: stumarty at wrightprinting.com (Stu) Date: Mon May 21 16:10:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On or about 1:07 PM -0500 5/21/07, Tammie at Quickprinters emailed the following: >We have always had a form of "Quickprint" in the name, and I would >like to keep that in there somehow. It is a very recognized name in >our small city. Tam, Unless your name is actually causing some problem(s), I would not change it. You have spent years (and money) marketing those names -- branding them deeply into your local market. They are good names, they've become familiar to all, and I'm sure they have worked well for you. Yes, it would be fun and challenging to make some changes, but I'm guessing you and yours would be about the only ones who would get excited about it. If you want to express some creativity for the 30th anniversary, design a 1-year use logo that carries some nostalgic 30-year jump. Or exaggerate it and create some archaic type/art blend into digital readout. You can have some fun designing that, but leave the "good, old trusted name" alone. -just old stu- -- =============== SETTING IT WRIGHT: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - If you try to fail and you succeed, which have you done? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wright Printing Co. -- Central Illinois' biggest little print shop. 203 North St., Normal, IL 61761 309 452-4409 Fax 452-7422 Personal Mobile Phone: 309 826-1132 (Stu) mailto:stu@wrightprinting.com - http://www.wrightprinting.com From ep101 at technaprint.com Mon May 21 16:10:57 2007 From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson) Date: Mon May 21 16:11:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Quick CSR/Estimator Comp. Survey In-Reply-To: <58bcbbc7e02fe6c29854e036a0543f17@newprinting.com> Message-ID: > One thing that works very well and gets them motivated is that I give > them a small % commission. It' only 1/3% of all orders they write up, > which is given annually. Outstanding idea! Thank you! Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com From jedwards at printzilla.net Mon May 21 16:10:22 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Mon May 21 16:12:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8A9E11F5-B135-4952-A315-3F90CDAF0963@printzilla.net> On May 21, 2007, at 2:49 PM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > > > At this moment in time "Masters" has a nice ring but I might change > my mind > in a while. Dutch Masters came to (my) mind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkoNLi74jj0 What I envisioned when I read the original post was a logo with a huge Q, the tail coming off to the right and looking like a sign or banner, maybe 1/3 to 1/2 the size of the Q. The rest of the word "quick" would be above the sign (Q-tail). Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Mon May 21 16:20:28 2007 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Wendt) Date: Mon May 21 16:20:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 5/21/07 3:09 PM, "Stu" wrote: > > Unless your name is actually causing some problem(s), I would not > change it. You have spent years (and money) marketing those names -- > branding them deeply into your local market. They are good names, > they've become familiar to all, and I'm sure they have worked well > for you. Yes, it would be fun and challenging to make some changes, > but I'm guessing you and yours would be about the only ones who would > get excited about it. Hi Tammy, I agree with Stu - keep your name. However, maybe it is just time for a logo upgrade and/or color upgrade. As a former Sir Speedy franchise, over 25 years we went from yellow & black to brown & orange to red/purple/gold with a new logo each time. Keep the name - update the look. Cyndy -- Cyndy Wendt President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 From ep101 at technaprint.com Mon May 21 16:23:56 2007 From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson) Date: Mon May 21 16:24:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We will be having our 30th anniversary next year. I want to come up with a > new logo that would be a little sleeker looking. So now I'm doing some > thinking about our names - Quickprinters & Signs Express. It's kind of a > mouthful on the phone. How about simply Macomb Print, with the tagline (as appropriate) underneath on your printed materials: Offset ? Digital ? Signage On our area re-brands, we've got people pushing the "Communications" and "Solutions" angles. It's trendy. The pundits would suggest creating more of a marketing partner type of image. Remember, whatever you do... keep it short, descriptive of what you do and spell-able. Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com From ed at graphicprintersinc.com Mon May 21 16:25:11 2007 From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce) Date: Mon May 21 16:24:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00a901c79be6$22789660$5a01a8c0@fileserver> I was in the office one Saturday and got a call that went like this. "Good morning, I am from out of town and I need to call the post office and their number?" I didn't bother to try & explain I just gave her the number. I really don't think she was from out of town though. She sounded like home folks. I have also had people call and jump on my case because their mail had not been delivered yet. "What time will the mailman be here? He usually comes earlier than this." We are listed in the yellow pages under mailing so naturally we are in charge of all mail. I think these same people call every so often asking if we are hiring. Bless their hearts. Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:58 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Ed - We used to get the occasional call asking us how much we charge for our quick oil changes or same-day deliveries of packages. I was sometimes tempted to quote them, figuring the callers were too stupid to find us. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Ed Pierce Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 3:49 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** You can be sure that no matter how clear your name is in telling your story someone will call and ask do you print T-Shirts or graphics for vehicles. I have been asked can I print on a Coke bottle? Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Havens Printing and Copy Shop Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:39 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Try this, Quick Print & Signage Austin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tammie at Quickprinters" To: "Printowners List" Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 1:07 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We will be having our 30th anniversary next year. I want to come up with a new logo that would be a little sleeker looking. So now I'm doing some thinking about our names - Quickprinters & Signs Express. It's kind of a mouthful on the phone. We started as Big Red Q Quickprint in '78, then after getting out of the franchise, we went to theQUICKPRINTers, then Quickprinters, Inc. Since we are a print shop that also does vinyl-cut and wide format signs, we have used the two names (Quickprinters & Signs Express) for the last 8 years or so. We have always had a form of "Quickprint" in the name, and I would like to keep that in there somehow. It is a very recognized name in our small city. Now, I'm thinking of something like Quick Printers & Signs. Kind of boring, but we could do a cool logo with it, making Quick stand out. I don't think I want to use the word graphics, because the word is to vague and broad for most people to know what it means. Any ideas, recommendations or thoughts? We want to print our calendars for '08 in the next month, so we need to get it done soon. Thanks, Tammie Tammie Speer, owner **************** Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ______________________________ QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com/ A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ Or call for a FREE CD full of information. ______________________________ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2282 (20070521) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2282 (20070521) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From pressexpress at bfm.org Mon May 21 16:32:41 2007 From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Mon May 21 16:32:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2E3CB21F-3637-4BBA-B99B-FA26461EF9A5@bfm.org> I agree with Eric, I named my business Press Express. In 1995 we added the vinyl graphics. Our sign reads: PRESS EXPRESS Copying-Vinyl Lettering-Printing G On May 21, 2007, at 3:23 PM, Eric Pearson wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> We will be having our 30th anniversary next year. I want to come >> up with a >> new logo that would be a little sleeker looking. So now I'm doing >> some >> thinking about our names - Quickprinters & Signs Express. It's >> kind of a >> mouthful on the phone. > > How about simply Macomb Print, with the tagline (as appropriate) > underneath > on your printed materials: > Offset ? Digital ? Signage > > On our area re-brands, we've got people pushing the > "Communications" and > "Solutions" angles. It's trendy. The pundits would suggest creating > more of > a marketing partner type of image. Remember, whatever you do... > keep it > short, descriptive of what you do and spell-able. > > Eric Pearson > President/C.E.O. > > ------------ > > TechnaPrint, Inc. > 909 Garfield Street > Eugene, OR 97402-2706 > (541) 344-4062 > (541) 344-1765 Fax > > ep101@technaprint.com > www.technaprint.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Mon May 21 17:01:19 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon May 21 17:03:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change References: Message-ID: <019a01c79beb$2e27f960$0300a8c0@DANIEL> >> Unless your name is actually causing some problem(s), I would not >> change it. You have spent years (and money) marketing those names -- ======================= I agree too. Don't change your name unless you really need to. People are very easy to confuse and once confused stay confused for a very long time. I haven't used the Speedy Office Services part of our name in just about 10 years now, but we still get mail delivered to that name. People still call and wonder if they've got the right place when we answer SOS Printing. Ah well. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Mon May 21 17:02:59 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Mon May 21 17:04:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change In-Reply-To: <20070521195859.899F386489A@rb.enter.net> References: <20070521195859.899F386489A@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <14dbf30920b2a9b9ae2a7870e4722c99@sheergraphics.com> You might want to look at what domain names are available to use with your new company name. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From ttspeer at grics.net Mon May 21 18:26:32 2007 From: ttspeer at grics.net (Tim & Tammie Speer) Date: Mon May 21 18:28:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change In-Reply-To: <14dbf30920b2a9b9ae2a7870e4722c99@sheergraphics.com> Message-ID: We use MacombPrinter.com, so we wouldn't have to worry about that. What I'm really trying to do is cut our 2 names down to one. Having the 2 names was really good when we started to make vinyl signs, but I would really like one logo now. Thanks for all the thoughts, Tammie Tammie Speer, owner **************** Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ______________________________ QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com/ A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ Or call for a FREE CD full of information. ______________________________ > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > You might want to look at what domain names are available to use with > your new company name. > > > > Please reply to Simon Sheers at: > > > Sheer Graphics Inc. > 47 Chestnut Avenue, From mike at arborprinting.com Mon May 21 18:48:23 2007 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Mon May 21 18:51:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change References: Message-ID: <033801c79bfa$23b2d400$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Macomb QuickPrint & Sign Co Express QuickPrint & Sign Co. Tammie's QuickPrint & Sign Co I for one think you need something in front of QuickPrint, whether it be Macomb, Express, or Tammie's. For some reason, Macomb QuickPrint & Sign Co doesn't roll off you tounge when you say it quick, like when you are answering the phone. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. www.arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim & Tammie Speer" To: "Printowners List" Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We use MacombPrinter.com, so we wouldn't have to worry about that. What I'm really trying to do is cut our 2 names down to one. Having the 2 names was really good when we started to make vinyl signs, but I would really like one logo now. Thanks for all the thoughts, Tammie Tammie Speer, owner **************** Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ______________________________ QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com/ A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ Or call for a FREE CD full of information. ______________________________ > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > You might want to look at what domain names are available to use with > your new company name. > > > > Please reply to Simon Sheers at: > > > Sheer Graphics Inc. > 47 Chestnut Avenue, _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Mon May 21 18:54:00 2007 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Mon May 21 18:52:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you need to keep "quick", I'd go with Quick Print & Signs. Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Tammie at Quickprinters Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 12:08 PM To: Printowners List Subject: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We will be having our 30th anniversary next year. I want to come up with a new logo that would be a little sleeker looking. So now I'm doing some thinking about our names - Quickprinters & Signs Express. It's kind of a mouthful on the phone. We started as Big Red Q Quickprint in '78, then after getting out of the franchise, we went to theQUICKPRINTers, then Quickprinters, Inc. Since we are a print shop that also does vinyl-cut and wide format signs, we have used the two names (Quickprinters & Signs Express) for the last 8 years or so. We have always had a form of "Quickprint" in the name, and I would like to keep that in there somehow. It is a very recognized name in our small city. Now, I'm thinking of something like Quick Printers & Signs. Kind of boring, but we could do a cool logo with it, making Quick stand out. I don't think = I want to use the word graphics, because the word is to vague and broad for most people to know what it means. Any ideas, recommendations or thoughts? We want to print our calendars for '08 in the next month, so we need to get it done soon. Thanks, Tammie Tammie Speer, owner **************** Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ______________________________ QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS 1120 East Jackson Street =80 Macomb, IL 61455 =80 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com/ A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ Or call for a FREE CD full of information. ______________________________ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 5/20/2007 7:54 AM From k_graham at hotmail.com Mon May 21 22:10:18 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Mon May 21 22:10:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change References: Message-ID: The web name should be your biggest worry. Buy the domain name or names that describe your business before your competitor does, its going to be the best aproximately $8.50 per year you will spend. We've been building a small retirement hotel in Mexico this last year as part of our 5 year retirement plan. I already have some domain names and it isn't due to be up and running till this fall though the website may be up shortly. Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika From mmpanderson at gmail.com Tue May 22 11:42:44 2007 From: mmpanderson at gmail.com (Danny Ross) Date: Tue May 22 11:42:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change In-Reply-To: References: <4651CF8C.7040107@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: <6f85218f0705220842h413d4b5bg9799eafeea07387e@mail.gmail.com> We're a Minuteman Press and I can beat the Sir Speedy Oil Change question in Ed's message. I have been asked several times if we could get their clothes pressed today if they brought then in by lunch. On 5/21/07, Tammie at Quickprinters wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We will be having our 30th anniversary next year. I want to come up with a > new logo that would be a little sleeker looking. So now I'm doing some > thinking about our names - Quickprinters & Signs Express. It's kind of a > mouthful on the phone. > > We started as Big Red Q Quickprint in '78, then after getting out of the > franchise, we went to theQUICKPRINTers, then Quickprinters, Inc. Since we > are a print shop that also does vinyl-cut and wide format signs, we have > used the two names (Quickprinters & Signs Express) for the last 8 years or > so. We have always had a form of "Quickprint" in the name, and I would like > to keep that in there somehow. It is a very recognized name in our small > city. > > Now, I'm thinking of something like Quick Printers & Signs. Kind of boring, > but we could do a cool logo with it, making Quick stand out. I don't think I > want to use the word graphics, because the word is to vague and broad for > most people to know what it means. > > Any ideas, recommendations or thoughts? We want to print our calendars for > '08 in the next month, so we need to get it done soon. > > Thanks, > Tammie > > > Tammie Speer, owner > **************** > Tammie@MacombPrinter.com > ______________________________ > QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS > 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 > http://www.macombprinter.com/ > > A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! > Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? > http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ > Or call for a FREE CD full of information. > ______________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Danny Ross Minuteman Press Anderson, SC 864-224-9115 dross@minutemanpress.com From info at ospdirect.com Tue May 22 12:02:00 2007 From: info at ospdirect.com (One Source Printing) Date: Tue May 22 12:01:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] General Liability Insurance Recommendations Message-ID: <013a01c79c8a$88786540$0f24230a@charles> We would like to consider other companies to provide our insurance. Both for general liability and hazard for the building. What company would you recommend? Any specific coverage we should consider? Thanks in advance. Charles Corn One Source Printing and Graphics 713-686-9777 . 713-686-8188 Fax 5810 Dierker Drive . Houston, Texas 77041 This email and/or its attachments are for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received this in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of this email and/or its attachments by you is prohibited. From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue May 22 12:59:02 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue May 22 12:59:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0705220959t1ecd93efnfe785724aed8e6f6@mail.gmail.com> On 5/21/07, Eric Pearson wrote: > with the tagline (as appropriate) underneath > on your printed materials: > Offset ? Digital ? Signage I agree with Stu and others that there's a lot to lose and nothing to gain from a name change (you could perhaps lose the middle syllable, though: "Quickprint/Signs Express"), but to Eric's suggestion: how many of today's customers give any meaning to the words "offset" and "digital"? What could this possible mean to them? Few customers any longer understand the difference; more to the point: nor do they care. It has never been the process that we sell; nor is it the process that we buy. Tell them as clearly and concisely as possibly something that might touch a button with them. BTW, what's up with the punctuation? I assume it comes from Tammie's sig line, but huh? That's a Euro sign, not a dingbat. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== I tell you, we are here on Earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you different. ~Kurt Vonnegut From russ at mobile-print.com Tue May 22 14:14:03 2007 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Tue May 22 13:15:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0705220959t1ecd93efnfe785724aed8e6f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0705220959t1ecd93efnfe785724aed8e6f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <465332EB.3020604@mobile-print.com> >> with the tagline (as appropriate) underneath >> on your printed materials: >> Offset ? Digital ? Signage > > > to Eric's suggestion: how many of today's > customers give any meaning to the words "offset" and "digital"? What > could > this possible mean to them? Actually, a surprising number of people are specifically looking for "digital" printing. They don't really know what it means, but they've heard about it & think it's fast & cheap. Perhaps a better tagline may be: 'Traditional ? Digital ? Signage" Or "Traditional & Digital Printing & Signage" In both cases, the Traditional gives an aura of being around for awhile and offering longstanding craftsmanship in your products & services, while the digital sounds contemporary & cutting edge. Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847-398-6155 Fax: 847-398-0788 From jim at visaliaidea.com Tue May 22 13:19:09 2007 From: jim at visaliaidea.com (James Laber) Date: Tue May 22 13:19:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Press Crash In-Reply-To: <20070522160003.41469867D5E@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <00b601c79c95$4f2651c0$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local> Well after 7 weeks down on our 4 color press, we are back up. Cost to run 1 sheet of gloss through the press $128.00. Cost to run 1 Allen wrench through the press $228,000.00. This job started out with the estimators at $70-$90,000.00. The insurance company has been great but I am not holding my breath on cancellation or sky high rate increase come October. The good news is it fits and prints better than the day we put it on the floor. We opted to go with a company the insurance company suggested for the tear down and then the cylinder repair. If anyone ever needs these type of services (God forbid) I would be glad to pass on info. Jim Laber Idea! Printing & Graphics Inc 1921 E Main St Visalia CA 93292 559-733-4149 X118 Fax: 559-636-3690 jim@visaliaidea.com http://www.visaliaidea.com/ From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue May 22 13:40:19 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue May 22 13:40:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Press Crash Message-ID: In a message dated 5/22/2007 1:19:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jim@visaliaidea.com writes: The insurance company has been great but I am not holding my breath on cancellation or sky high rate increase come October. Jim, Do you mind sharing the name of your insurance company.... Good ones are very hard to find, and when they perform above and beyond they deserve the credit and the business. I would be surprised if they dropped you and you might be surprised at how modest an increase might be suggested. We used Hartford for our storm insurance and as I've said before they were great. On the other hand, with a claim your size, I would also have considered a public adjuster, but even there you have to be careful because some states are very firm on the rates they can charge while others are very, very lax. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." New Book - "Print Shop For Sale" by Larry Hunt & John Stewart _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From ep101 at technaprint.com Tue May 22 13:59:29 2007 From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson) Date: Tue May 22 13:59:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0705220959t1ecd93efnfe785724aed8e6f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > What could > this possible mean to them? Perhaps Michael is right... What about a coname/tagline: Macomb Print "Quality Printing & Signage" Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com From russ at mobile-print.com Tue May 22 15:00:39 2007 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Tue May 22 14:02:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Press Crash In-Reply-To: <00b601c79c95$4f2651c0$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local> References: <00b601c79c95$4f2651c0$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local> Message-ID: <46533DD7.9030300@mobile-print.com> Wow, $228,000.00!! What kind of press was this? Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847-398-6155 Fax: 847-398-0788 James Laber wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Well after 7 weeks down on our 4 color press, we are back up. Cost to run 1 > sheet of gloss through the press $128.00. Cost to run 1 Allen wrench through > the press $228,000.00. This job started out with the estimators at > $70-$90,000.00. The insurance company has been great but I am not holding my > breath on cancellation or sky high rate increase come October. The good news > is it fits and prints better than the day we put it on the floor. We opted > to go with a company the insurance company suggested for the tear down and > then the cylinder repair. If anyone ever needs these type of services (God > forbid) I would be glad to pass on info. > Jim Laber > Idea! Printing & Graphics Inc > 1921 E Main St > Visalia CA 93292 > 559-733-4149 X118 > Fax: 559-636-3690 > jim@visaliaidea.com > http://www.visaliaidea.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From slb at inkspot.net Tue May 22 14:17:01 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue May 22 14:17:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] General Liability Insurance Recommendations In-Reply-To: <013a01c79c8a$88786540$0f24230a@charles> Message-ID: <4652FB5D.21281.3EF595C@slb.inkspot.net> It has been our experience that most insurance companies have a poor understanding of the risks involved in a printing business, and, therefore, price their policies high enough to be unworthy of serious consideration. The only companies we have found to price the general business insurance reasonably are those that have "printers' programs" or "printers' policies." These have been Hartford, Harford, and Sentry. If anyone knows of another, please jump in... HTH, Steve > > We would like to consider other companies to provide our insurance. > Both for general liability and hazard for the building. > > What company would you recommend? > Any specific coverage we should consider? > > Thanks in advance. > > Charles Corn > > One Source Printing and Graphics > 713-686-9777 . 713-686-8188 Fax > 5810 Dierker Drive . Houston, Texas 77041 > > This email and/or its attachments are for the designated recipient only and > may contain > privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have > received this in error, > please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use > of this email > and/or its attachments by you is prohibited. > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2284 (20070522) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From info at huttotxprinting.com Tue May 22 14:28:47 2007 From: info at huttotxprinting.com (Hutto Printing) Date: Tue May 22 14:28:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Press Crash In-Reply-To: <00b601c79c95$4f2651c0$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local> References: <00b601c79c95$4f2651c0$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local> Message-ID: <70fe5b696ad96fffad8d4de77524c796@huttotxprinting.com> Did your insurance cover any costs for down time, or additional cost to outsource everything while it was down? Darrell Trammel Hutto Printing 512.846.1990 Order online at www.huttotxprinting.com !! Hutto Chamber of Commerce Member Authorized Adobe Solutions Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider On May 22, 2007, at 12:19 PM, James Laber wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Well after 7 weeks down on our 4 color press, we are back up. Cost to > run 1 > sheet of gloss through the press $128.00. Cost to run 1 Allen wrench > through > the press $228,000.00. This job started out with the estimators at > $70-$90,000.00. The insurance company has been great but I am not > holding my > breath on cancellation or sky high rate increase come October. The > good news > is it fits and prints better than the day we put it on the floor. We > opted > to go with a company the insurance company suggested for the tear down > and > then the cylinder repair. If anyone ever needs these type of services > (God > forbid) I would be glad to pass on info. > Jim Laber > Idea! Printing & Graphics Inc > 1921 E Main St > Visalia CA 93292 > 559-733-4149 X118 > Fax: 559-636-3690 > jim@visaliaidea.com > http://www.visaliaidea.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From info at huttotxprinting.com Tue May 22 14:30:10 2007 From: info at huttotxprinting.com (Hutto Printing) Date: Tue May 22 14:30:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] General Liability Insurance Recommendations In-Reply-To: <4652FB5D.21281.3EF595C@slb.inkspot.net> References: <4652FB5D.21281.3EF595C@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: I have a policy through Farmer's Insurance. They had a policy for printers. I haven't had any claims, thankfully, but they were about 1/4 the cost of the closest quote I got from others. Darrell Trammel Hutto Printing 512.846.1990 Order online at www.huttotxprinting.com !! Hutto Chamber of Commerce Member Authorized Adobe Solutions Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider From bgallagher at nbn.net Tue May 22 14:44:45 2007 From: bgallagher at nbn.net (Bob Gallagher) Date: Tue May 22 14:44:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] General Liability Insurance Recommendations In-Reply-To: <4652FB5D.21281.3EF595C@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: On 5/22/07 2:17 PM, "Steve Blatman" wrote: These have been Hartford, Harford, > and Sentry. If anyone knows of another, please jump in... > Locally, Pennsylvania National has a program for printers. Bob Gallagher Gallagher Printing, Inc. 601 W. Main Street Palmyra, PA 17078 717-838-1527 1-888-838-1527 Fax 717-838-5715 An Adobe Service Provider A Microsoft Publisher Provider Member, Adobe Solutions Network From brianoday at eprint.us Tue May 22 15:07:01 2007 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Tue May 22 15:07:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] publisher 2007 Message-ID: <003c01c79ca4$616afe80$6b01a8c0@Brian> Does Microsoft still have free service provider software for Publisher 2007 . If so how do we get this years version? The old contact info doesn't seem to work! Brian O'Day ePrint Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 From tufelkinder at gmail.com Tue May 22 15:31:32 2007 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Tue May 22 15:31:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] publisher 2007 In-Reply-To: <003c01c79ca4$616afe80$6b01a8c0@Brian> References: <003c01c79ca4$616afe80$6b01a8c0@Brian> Message-ID: <84f70d5e0705221231s6096be40x85a1b6599dde6c81@mail.gmail.com> Well, I know they still have it. I received an email telling me how to re-sign-up for it and did so. They gave a special serial key and everything... (You just download the trial software like a regular user, but then use the serial the PSPP provides you with instead of the trial key that you get with the download.) It's been a while, though, and I don't think I still have that email. Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA 800-955-3902 http://mercersburg.net -~ Only the mediocre are always at their best. -- Jean Giraudoux From bcreighton at danielsprinting.us Tue May 22 15:45:18 2007 From: bcreighton at danielsprinting.us (Bill Creighton) Date: Tue May 22 15:46:00 2007 Subject: SPAM-LOW: [PrintOwners] publisher 2007 In-Reply-To: <003c01c79ca4$616afe80$6b01a8c0@Brian> References: <003c01c79ca4$616afe80$6b01a8c0@Brian> Message-ID: <4653484E.502@danielsprinting.us> Brian: email an request to pspp@microsoft.com and they will eventually get back to you. Bill Brian O'Day wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does Microsoft still have free service provider software for Publisher 2007 > . If so how do we get this years version? The old contact info doesn't seem > to work! > > Brian O'Day > ePrint > Portland, Oregon > brianoday@eprint.us > 503-684-2679 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- Bill Creighton Daniels Printing 2141 Priest Bridge Drive #5 Crofton, MD 21114 301.261.3426 bcreighton@danielsprinting.us From kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com Tue May 22 16:49:31 2007 From: kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com (Kirk Squiers) Date: Tue May 22 16:49:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change Message-ID: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B109D9BC@fpserver.FP.local> As many of you know we changed locations and name in January,. We were Frandor Printing for 15 years. We added vinyl signs and banners (Thanks to Tammie) and are now called Central Michigan Graphics, Printing and Signs. I actually like the Graphics part of the name because it does not pigeon hole me in the future if I want to add other services. ie: Screen printing, Vehicle wraps, Web Design etc.. We just ran a heavy schedule of radio commercials and I did the actual voice over. We have not lost a single customer and are growing monthly. Kirk K. Squiers Central Michigan Graphics 1200 E. Oakland Lansing, Michigan 48906 www.centralmichigangraphics.com 517-230-8600 kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Danny Ross Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:43 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We're a Minuteman Press and I can beat the Sir Speedy Oil Change question in Ed's message. I have been asked several times if we could get their clothes pressed today if they brought then in by lunch. On 5/21/07, Tammie at Quickprinters wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We will be having our 30th anniversary next year. I want to come up with a > new logo that would be a little sleeker looking. So now I'm doing some > thinking about our names - Quickprinters & Signs Express. It's kind of a > mouthful on the phone. > > We started as Big Red Q Quickprint in '78, then after getting out of the > franchise, we went to theQUICKPRINTers, then Quickprinters, Inc. Since we > are a print shop that also does vinyl-cut and wide format signs, we have > used the two names (Quickprinters & Signs Express) for the last 8 years or > so. We have always had a form of "Quickprint" in the name, and I would like > to keep that in there somehow. It is a very recognized name in our small > city. > > Now, I'm thinking of something like Quick Printers & Signs. Kind of boring, > but we could do a cool logo with it, making Quick stand out. I don't think I > want to use the word graphics, because the word is to vague and broad for > most people to know what it means. > > Any ideas, recommendations or thoughts? We want to print our calendars for > '08 in the next month, so we need to get it done soon. > > Thanks, > Tammie > > > Tammie Speer, owner > **************** > Tammie@MacombPrinter.com > ______________________________ > QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS > 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 > http://www.macombprinter.com/ > > A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! > Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? > http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ > Or call for a FREE CD full of information. > ______________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Danny Ross Minuteman Press Anderson, SC 864-224-9115 dross@minutemanpress.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com Tue May 22 16:57:27 2007 From: kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com (Kirk Squiers) Date: Tue May 22 16:57:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF, Request to VENT!!! Another attempted Break In Message-ID: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B109D9BD@fpserver.FP.local> Hal Wendt for Vice President!! Kirk K. Squiers Central Michigan Graphics 1200 E. Oakland Lansing, Michigan 48906 www.centralmichigangraphics.com 517-230-8600 kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Hal Wendt Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 12:26 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] OFF, Request to VENT!!! Another attempted Break In ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hire a couple of heavyweights to stay in the shop on a few weekends, when they break in have your new part-time employees leave permanent marks on their faces. I'm dead serious. If they wake up in the morning and look in the mirror I'm sure they'll never break in again. Hal Wendt IMP Printing & Graphics Design Southgate, Michigan USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:04 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF, Request to VENT!!! Another attempted Break In > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > -----Wahhhhhhhhhhhhha, > I need to vent. > > Week before last on Tuesday night someone tried unsuccessfully to break in. > Wed they came back, were successful and got into the shop. > Little damage, couple hundred dollars in cash and "stuff" taken. Blanked > swell poured over the press & rollers although the ink inductor rollers > seems to be the only one that it got on. > > Over the weekend, they tried again. Unsuccessful again because the landlord > had put in better locks with mega deadbolts. This time they came with a file > which they broke and left the tip. Really busted up the deadbolt on the lock > but the deadbolts going to the upper frame and into the floor held. > > I am at my wits end. We had talked about increased security but had not > decided exactly what needed done. Figured it was kids and they wouldn't be > back after they saw there was nothing of interest here. > Today I have 2 security companies on their way. Money I will need to spend > that I shouldn't have to. > > Police are concerned with why someone wants in here so bad. So am I. Makeing > security decals reading "Black Dog Security" > > We also have 3 security companies coming to give estimates. > > > Nancy Middleton > The Printing Place, Inc. > 5878 Cook Road, Suite F > Milford, OH 45150 > nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com > Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax > 877/248-8774 Toll Free > www.theprintingplaceinc.com > we now have web hosting > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com Tue May 22 17:10:42 2007 From: nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com (Nancy) Date: Tue May 22 17:10:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF, Request to VENT!!! Another attempted Break In References: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B109D9BD@fpserver.FP.local> Message-ID: <00ab01c79cb5$a8b3ae70$0500a8c0@Nancy> Hal, Can you just come and stay here for me. Seems like you know just what to do!!!! We are going to paint the outline of a body on the sidewalk (just like in CSI where they put white tape to outline the body) and then print "This could be you". or...."If caught here at night, you will be caught here in the morning" It would be funny if it wasn't so frustrating!!! Nan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Squiers" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 3:57 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] OFF, Request to VENT!!! Another attempted Break In ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hal Wendt for Vice President!! Kirk K. Squiers Central Michigan Graphics 1200 E. Oakland Lansing, Michigan 48906 www.centralmichigangraphics.com 517-230-8600 kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Hal Wendt Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 12:26 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] OFF, Request to VENT!!! Another attempted Break In ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hire a couple of heavyweights to stay in the shop on a few weekends, when they break in have your new part-time employees leave permanent marks on their faces. I'm dead serious. If they wake up in the morning and look in the mirror I'm sure they'll never break in again. Hal Wendt IMP Printing & Graphics Design Southgate, Michigan USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:04 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF, Request to VENT!!! Another attempted Break In > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > -----Wahhhhhhhhhhhhha, > I need to vent. > > Week before last on Tuesday night someone tried unsuccessfully to break in. > Wed they came back, were successful and got into the shop. > Little damage, couple hundred dollars in cash and "stuff" taken. Blanked > swell poured over the press & rollers although the ink inductor rollers > seems to be the only one that it got on. > > Over the weekend, they tried again. Unsuccessful again because the landlord > had put in better locks with mega deadbolts. This time they came with a file > which they broke and left the tip. Really busted up the deadbolt on the lock > but the deadbolts going to the upper frame and into the floor held. > > I am at my wits end. We had talked about increased security but had not > decided exactly what needed done. Figured it was kids and they wouldn't be > back after they saw there was nothing of interest here. > Today I have 2 security companies on their way. Money I will need to spend > that I shouldn't have to. > > Police are concerned with why someone wants in here so bad. So am I. Makeing > security decals reading "Black Dog Security" > > We also have 3 security companies coming to give estimates. > > > Nancy Middleton > The Printing Place, Inc. > 5878 Cook Road, Suite F > Milford, OH 45150 > nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com > Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax > 877/248-8774 Toll Free > www.theprintingplaceinc.com > we now have web hosting > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com Tue May 22 17:13:56 2007 From: nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com (Nancy) Date: Tue May 22 17:14:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] General Liability Insurance Recommendations References: <4652FB5D.21281.3EF595C@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <00bb01c79cb6$1f983c40$0500a8c0@Nancy> I had a neighbor who had Farmers on their home. They had roof damage during a storm and they had a terrible time getting a settlement. She worked for another insurance company and because of her knowledge of the law and insurance and because the president at her employer made some calls, they finally got their roof fixed. (She said she couldn't afford that company but later switched even thought the cost was a lot higher.) Nan Nancy Middleton The Printing Place, Inc. 5878 Cook Road, Suite F Milford, OH 45150 nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hutto Printing" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] General Liability Insurance Recommendations > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a policy through Farmer's Insurance. They had a policy for > printers. I haven't had any claims, thankfully, but they were about 1/4 > the cost of the closest quote I got from others. > > Darrell Trammel > Hutto Printing > 512.846.1990 > > Order online at www.huttotxprinting.com !! > > Hutto Chamber of Commerce Member > Authorized Adobe Solutions Provider > Microsoft Publisher Service Provider > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue May 22 18:04:00 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue May 22 18:04:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] publisher 2007 In-Reply-To: <003c01c79ca4$616afe80$6b01a8c0@Brian> References: <003c01c79ca4$616afe80$6b01a8c0@Brian> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0705221504ydbbac0fr7bf275d15113a6d@mail.gmail.com> On 5/22/07, Brian O'Day wrote: > > Does Microsoft still have free service provider software for Publisher 2007 > . If so how do we get this years version? The old contact info doesn't seem > to work! You can find a recent discussion of Publisher 2007 and the status of the service provider program by searching "publisher 2007" here: http://groups.google.com/group/PrintOwnersNG -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== I tell you, we are here on Earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you different. ~Kurt Vonnegut From brianoday at eprint.us Tue May 22 18:16:45 2007 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Tue May 22 18:29:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Press Crash In-Reply-To: <00b601c79c95$4f2651c0$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local> References: <20070522160003.41469867D5E@rb.enter.net> <00b601c79c95$4f2651c0$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local> Message-ID: <001e01c79cbe$e2742410$6b01a8c0@Brian> What type of insurance do you have to cover this damage and what is your annual price. When I added my 5 color the price seemed very high and I didn't get the insurance maybe I should reconsider! Brian O'Day ePrint Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of James Laber Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:19 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Press Crash ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Well after 7 weeks down on our 4 color press, we are back up. Cost to run 1 sheet of gloss through the press $128.00. Cost to run 1 Allen wrench through the press $228,000.00. This job started out with the estimators at $70-$90,000.00. The insurance company has been great but I am not holding my breath on cancellation or sky high rate increase come October. The good news is it fits and prints better than the day we put it on the floor. We opted to go with a company the insurance company suggested for the tear down and then the cylinder repair. If anyone ever needs these type of services (God forbid) I would be glad to pass on info. Jim Laber Idea! Printing & Graphics Inc 1921 E Main St Visalia CA 93292 559-733-4149 X118 Fax: 559-636-3690 jim@visaliaidea.com http://www.visaliaidea.com/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue May 22 18:12:14 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue May 22 18:29:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change In-Reply-To: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B109D9BC@fpserver.FP.local> References: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B109D9BC@fpserver.FP.local> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0705221512n7917c1d9r70daccc61fcd7597@mail.gmail.com> > > We're a Minuteman Press and I can beat the Sir Speedy Oil Change > question in Ed's message. I have been asked several times if we could > get their clothes pressed today if they brought then in by lunch. > Why not? We do both. You have a pressman don't you? Oil changes and garment pressing are two perfectly good revenue streams to potentially replace volume lost to in-house printers. Yellow page ads bring us the most oil change business, while press employment ads bring the greatest number of inquiries about garment pressing. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== I tell you, we are here on Earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you different. ~Kurt Vonnegut From brianoday at eprint.us Tue May 22 18:11:46 2007 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Tue May 22 18:29:39 2007 Subject: SPAM-LOW: [PrintOwners] publisher 2007 In-Reply-To: <4653484E.502@danielsprinting.us> References: <003c01c79ca4$616afe80$6b01a8c0@Brian> <4653484E.502@danielsprinting.us> Message-ID: <001d01c79cbe$30595a70$6b01a8c0@Brian> Thanks Brian O'Day ePrint Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bill Creighton Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 12:45 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: SPAM-LOW: [PrintOwners] publisher 2007 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Brian: email an request to pspp@microsoft.com and they will eventually get back to you. Bill Brian O'Day wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does Microsoft still have free service provider software for Publisher 2007 > . If so how do we get this years version? The old contact info doesn't seem > to work! > > Brian O'Day > ePrint > Portland, Oregon > brianoday@eprint.us > 503-684-2679 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- Bill Creighton Daniels Printing 2141 Priest Bridge Drive #5 Crofton, MD 21114 301.261.3426 bcreighton@danielsprinting.us _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jim at visaliaidea.com Tue May 22 18:54:27 2007 From: jim at visaliaidea.com (James Laber) Date: Tue May 22 18:54:35 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 21, Issue 74 In-Reply-To: <20070522182856.05A3B868622@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <00e201c79cc4$26ebf730$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local> John Wrote: Jim, Do you mind sharing the name of your insurance company.... Good ones are very hard to find, and when they perform above and beyond they deserve the credit and the business. David Wrote: Did your insurance cover any costs for down time, or additional cost to outsource everything while it was down? Allied Insurance and Hartford Steam Boiler The amount I stated for the cost of repair included repair of press, Loss of Business, outsourcing, and additional travel and incidentals incurred because of outsourcing. This was an allen wrench hit between the 3rd and 4th unit on a Hamada B452. The double impression both blankets and 1 plate cylinder had bent journals. The double impression 1 blanket and 1 transfer cylinder had damage to the surface (8" x 8" indentation) that had to be built up ground to factory specs and re-chromed. 1 gear and 6 bearings had to be replaced. While the cylinders were back in New Jersey getting fixed they had that bad storm and the plant flooded delaying the job by about 10 days. The reason for my original post was to share what could have been a catastrophe had we been under or uninsured. If your running even what is a fairly inexpensive 4 color the repair bills can be out of this world. The company that travels all over the US that did the work gave an initial bid to take the cylinders out and get it back up and running of $33,000.00. That was basically 6 days of labor 2 guys and rigging but did not include travel lodging or incidentals, nor was it close to what his final bill was. The repair of the cylinders was on top of that and even though it was allot it was 1/2 what it would have cost to replace them. Jim Laber Idea! Printing & Graphics Inc 1921 E Main St Visalia CA 93292 559-733-4149 X118 Fax: 559-636-3690 jim@visaliaidea.com http://www.visaliaidea.com/ From jim at visaliaidea.com Tue May 22 18:57:58 2007 From: jim at visaliaidea.com (James Laber) Date: Tue May 22 18:58:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Press Crash In-Reply-To: <20070522160003.41469867D5E@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <00e301c79cc4$a4e2ab70$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local> Jim Laber Idea! Printing & Graphics Inc 1921 E Main St Visalia CA 93292 559-733-4149 X118 Fax: 559-636-3690 jim@visaliaidea.com http://www.visaliaidea.com/ John Wrote: Jim, Do you mind sharing the name of your insurance company.... Good ones are very hard to find, and when they perform above and beyond they deserve the credit and the business. David Wrote: Did your insurance cover any costs for down time, or additional cost to outsource everything while it was down? Allied Insurance and Hartford Steam Boiler The amount I stated for the cost of repair included repair of press, Loss of Business, outsourcing, and additional travel and incidentals incurred because of outsourcing. This was an allen wrench hit between the 3rd and 4th unit on a Hamada B452. The double impression both blankets and 1 plate cylinder had bent journals. The double impression 1 blanket and 1 transfer cylinder had damage to the surface (8" x 8" indentation) that had to be built up ground to factory specs and re-chromed. 1 gear and 6 bearings had to be replaced. While the cylinders were back in New Jersey getting fixed they had that bad storm and the plant flooded delaying the job by about 10 days. The reason for my original post was to share what could have been a catastrophe had we been under or uninsured. If your running even what is a fairly inexpensive 4 color the repair bills can be out of this world. The company that travels all over the US that did the work gave an initial bid to take the cylinders out and get it back up and running of $33,000.00. That was basically 6 days of labor 2 guys and rigging but did not include travel lodging or incidentals, nor was it close to what his final bill was. The repair of the cylinders was on top of that and even though it was allot it was 1/2 what it would have cost to replace them. From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Tue May 22 19:20:19 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Tue May 22 19:20:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Digital Message-ID: I wouldn't lose the word 'digital' just yet. Lots of consumer goods are going digital, there are analog AND digital flat panels.....sure, the end result is what matters, but it never hurts to say you are on the leading edge if it has some value-implied or factual. Same thing with offset. Here's an experiment I did with our print shop 3 years ago: I began to advertise digital color printing. Offset dropped over the past 3 years. I don't know if that's a coincidence. Color skyrocketed naturally. I will be advertising 'Genuine Offset Lithography' in up coming ads. Some people want things Xeroxed, some want things printed, some want things copied, I want them to know we do all of that. We even do the more exotic "lithography", too! OTOH, it's a really bad idea to do this if your printshop is located near Pima county, AZ. Trust me, no one here know's what digital means. Or high def, or wi-fi. Larry I agree with Stud and others that there's a lot to lose and nothing to gain from a name change (you could perhaps lose the middle syllable, though: "Quickprint/Signs Express"), but to Eric's suggestion: how many of today's customers give any meaning to the words "offset" and "digital"? What could this possible mean to them? Few customers any longer understand the difference; more to the point: nor do they care. It has never been the process that we sell; nor is it the process that we buy. Tell them as clearly and concisely as possibly something that might touch a button with them. BTW, what's up with the punctuation? I assume it comes from Tammie's sig line, but huh? That's a Euro sign, not a dingbat. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 From imageproprint at qwest.net Tue May 22 19:20:33 2007 From: imageproprint at qwest.net (ImagePro) Date: Tue May 22 19:20:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners]Corporate Portal - Interactive File Creation via the Web In-Reply-To: <00e201c79cc4$26ebf730$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local> Message-ID: <000001c79cc7$cc642a90$6b00000a@domain1.local> One of our customers wants us to provide a corporate portal for their various affiliated agencies to use to create and order basic stationary items like business cards, letterhead and envelopes. Each agency uses different layouts and logos and so it would require somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 different forms. They want the portal to be linked to the corporate web site and have it be a blind portal (no branding). I know there are products out there that can do this. I'm getting information from websites for printers, and my order desk. I've also requested some information on the Fusion Pro Web product. The first two look to be package deals with the web site hosting. I'm not sure how the Fusion Pro product works. I would like some feedback from those of you doing this already. What is working, which solution would you recommend and should I be looking at other options. Mark Rowley ImagePro Printing & Copying, Inc. 95 West Harding Ave. Cedar City, UT 84720 435-586-1105 435-586-0499 fax mark@imageproprint.com From Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au Tue May 22 19:23:39 2007 From: Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au (Harry Brelsford) Date: Tue May 22 19:23:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change In-Reply-To: <465332EB.3020604@mobile-print.com> References: <98f5b19a0705220959t1ecd93efnfe785724aed8e6f6@mail.gmail.com> <465332EB.3020604@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: We called ourselves Varsity Graphics and all we do is printing and design with a bit of signage. We have grown from scratch three years ago with this name but we have the word PRINTING in the headline on just about all of our marketing. Interestingly our Yellow Pages has created a new category here in Australia - Printers Digital. The traditional is Printers General so most now need a presence in both. There is no benefit to the industry or the customers but more sales for the YP. That's why we don't advertise in the YP beyond bare minimum but do a lot of mail marketing. I'd go with Quick Printing & Signs. I don't think you need both "quick" and "express" in the name. Or why not simply - Printing and Signs. The customer then knows exactly what you do. Your tag line can then be Quick Digital, Traditional Offset, Graphic Design, Signs Harry >Actually, a surprising number of people are specifically looking for >"digital" printing. They don't really know what it means, but >they've heard about it & think it's fast & cheap. > >Perhaps a better tagline may be: >'Traditional * Digital * Signage" > >Or > >"Traditional & Digital Printing & Signage" > >In both cases, the Traditional gives an aura of being around for >awhile and offering longstanding craftsmanship in your products & >services, while the digital sounds contemporary & cutting edge. > > >Russ Peters >MOBILE PRINT, INC. >201 W. Central Road >Mount Prospect, IL 60056 >Phone: 847-398-6155 >Fax: 847-398-0788 -- Harry Brelsford Varsity Graphics Shop 2 - 195 Varsity Parade Varsity Lakes QLD 4227 (West of Bond Uni) Ph: 07 5575 9417 Fax: 07 5575 8091 Harry@VarsityGraphics.com.au From robin at protypeonline.com Tue May 22 19:36:33 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Tue May 22 19:35:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Press Crash Message-ID: <6EF7F49E-B5F3-4DB5-AB09-79B20A758C68@protypeonline.com> Jim, I'm coming into this thread late....how did the wrench "go through" your press? Operator error? Accident apparently....and insurance covered under ? what coverable incident? Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Tue May 22 19:36:35 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Tue May 22 19:36:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] just a typo Message-ID: I see that my last message changed Stu's name to Stud when it was spell checked. Sorry to embarrass you Stu. I was about to send it just now, it want's to change your name to Stub's. Weird. LT From scott at usacolor.com Tue May 22 21:03:05 2007 From: scott at usacolor.com (scott balsiger) Date: Tue May 22 21:03:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Was Press Crash Now insurance References: <6EF7F49E-B5F3-4DB5-AB09-79B20A758C68@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <005001c79cd6$21d881c0$0602a8c0@user30eca33b96> About 10yrs ago I was moving a Ryobi 3302. In not one of my brightest moments it slide off the pallet jack and tipped over. Insurance company(american family) called it a total loss and paid me $40k. I was and continue to be "over insured". Every major equipment item is listed on my policy. I take video and still photos of the entire shop about every 2yrs and keep them at home in case of a total loss. Scott Balsiger USA Color Printing Inc. 791 Manhomen Dr. Bemidji, MN 56601 800-759-9126 218-759-2883(fax) www.usacolor.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Niewold" To: "printowners printowners" Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 6:36 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Re: Press Crash > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Jim, > I'm coming into this thread late....how did the wrench "go through" your > press? Operator error? Accident apparently....and insurance covered under > ? what coverable incident? > Robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From vern at fosterpress.com Tue May 22 21:25:20 2007 From: vern at fosterpress.com (Vern Foster) Date: Tue May 22 21:25:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] just a typo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <015001c79cd9$3ad93c20$1764a8c0@foster501df6fb> I had to laugh out loud when my sister-in-law mis-typed her own name and spelled it Dense. ======================================== Vern Foster ~ Foster Press ~ Lake Stevens, WA vern@fosterpress.com ~ 425-334-9317 ======================================== -----Original Message----- I see that my last message changed Stu's name to Stud when it was spell checked. Sorry to embarrass you Stu. I was about to send it just now, it want's to change your name to Stub's. Weird. LT From Minmandon at aol.com Wed May 23 08:40:36 2007 From: Minmandon at aol.com (Minmandon@aol.com) Date: Wed May 23 08:40:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Digital Message-ID: In a message dated 5/22/2007 7:27:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, eatnsleepgolf@msn.com writes: I wouldn't lose the word 'digital' just yet. I've been at the same location for 16 years. Last year the landlord had the facade of the plaza done over. My Minuteman Press sign came down. After surveying other Minuteman Press owners I decided the new sign would say "DIGITAL PRINTING." It is amazing how many people come in & asked if we have been here very long. Without exception they say that they saw the new sign. Don Carney Minuteman Press Deerfield Beach, FL 954 421-9904 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From jdaghir at gmail.com Wed May 23 08:47:21 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Wed May 23 08:47:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Press Crash In-Reply-To: <6EF7F49E-B5F3-4DB5-AB09-79B20A758C68@protypeonline.com> References: <6EF7F49E-B5F3-4DB5-AB09-79B20A758C68@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620705230547q25734855u360e175901d4f156@mail.gmail.com> About two years ago we were running self-sealing envelopes - the kind with the exposed gum on a open flap. We had a bad jam and the envelopes stuck to one of the hold-down straps on the register board of our Hamada H234 and pulled it through the press. The strap itself was thin enough that it didn't damage the press, but unfortunately the rivets at the end of the strap did. Two nasty dents in the middle of the double-diameter impression cylinder. Repair was covered under the Equipment Breakdown policy of our insurance with Hastings Mutual. Repair costs were about $15,000 to replace the cylinder or $5000 for Brodie Systems to do an in-press repair of the cylinder. (I suspect Jim used Brodie to repair his cylinders since they are located in New Jersey. I elected to go with the in-press repair due to the decreased down-time. They can't re-chrome the cylinder with an in-press repair but the repair was done with stainless steel and should outlast the chromed cylinder. You can see the repaired area on the cylinder but it works perfectly. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Robin said: > I'm coming into this thread late....how did the wrench "go through" > your press? Operator error? Accident apparently....and insurance > covered under ? what coverable incident? From nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com Wed May 23 09:22:58 2007 From: nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com (Nancy) Date: Wed May 23 09:23:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Thief Has Been Caught References: <6EF7F49E-B5F3-4DB5-AB09-79B20A758C68@protypeonline.com> <83d5b9620705230547q25734855u360e175901d4f156@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001901c79d3d$7d0e3f00$0500a8c0@Nancy> Received a call this morning from the local police. Last night they caught the thief that broke into our shop along with many churches in the area. He had the file that he used the last time and broke the tip off in the door. The tip was caught between the doors so when we opened the door the tip fell out. He was caught with loads of stuff he had taken. Evidently churches was his main target. He had spray painted graffiti on many churches, one he painted a swastika with "Milford Hates GOD". Police officer didn't say but it sounded like it was a kid. When he goes for trial, I plan to be there. Hopefully he will draw one of my friends as judge. Nan From jedwards at printzilla.net Wed May 23 09:43:41 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Wed May 23 09:45:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Thief Has Been Caught In-Reply-To: <001901c79d3d$7d0e3f00$0500a8c0@Nancy> References: <6EF7F49E-B5F3-4DB5-AB09-79B20A758C68@protypeonline.com> <83d5b9620705230547q25734855u360e175901d4f156@mail.gmail.com> <001901c79d3d$7d0e3f00$0500a8c0@Nancy> Message-ID: On May 23, 2007, at 8:22 AM, Nancy wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Received a call this morning from the local police. > > Last night they caught the thief that broke into our shop along > with many churches in the area. He had the file that he used the > last time and broke the tip off in the door. The tip was caught > between the doors so when we opened the door the tip fell out. You'll probably have to buy him a new file. Just hope that he didn't injure himself when the file broke. Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas From alewinter at datapalette.com Wed May 23 10:26:49 2007 From: alewinter at datapalette.com (Andrew LeWinter) Date: Wed May 23 10:24:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change References: Message-ID: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D50154664@mail1.datapalette.local> I am less inclined to referring to "Quick" in relation to printing and signage. I would rather Print and Signage Express Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tammie at Quickprinters Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 3:48 PM To: Printowners List Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Company Name Change ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Yes, I've actually been playing with Quick Print and Signs. I'm not sure about prints or print though. Thanks, Tammie > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Quick Printers & Signs seems like a mix of what you are (printer) and > what you sell (signs), Tammy. Or maybe you sell printers along with > signs? :-) > > Maybe "Quick Prints & Signs"? It's a bit shorter and seems to tell a > cohesive story about what you sell (Prints & Signs) and the expected > turnaround time (Quick). > > "Quick Prints & Quick Signs" is probably too long an unnecessarily > redundant. > -Steve > *********************************************************** > Steve Ciesemier Tammie Speer owner **************** tammie@macombprinter.com ______________________________ QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS 1120 East Jackson Street Macomb, IL 61455 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com ______________________________ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From k_graham at hotmail.com Wed May 23 10:28:07 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Wed May 23 10:28:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Thief Has Been Caught References: <6EF7F49E-B5F3-4DB5-AB09-79B20A758C68@protypeonline.com><83d5b9620705230547q25734855u360e175901d4f156@mail.gmail.com> <001901c79d3d$7d0e3f00$0500a8c0@Nancy> Message-ID: List Message ***** > > Received a call this morning from the local police. > > Last night they caught the thief that broke into our shop along with many > churches in the area. He had the file that he used the last time and broke > the tip off in the door. The tip was caught between the doors so when we > opened the door the tip fell out. > > He was caught with loads of stuff he had taken. Evidently churches was his > main target. He had spray painted graffiti on many churches, one he > painted a swastika with "Milford Hates GOD". > > Police officer didn't say but it sounded like it was a kid. If it is a juvenile, is it possible to have the parents pay for damage and lost time? Theory goes that parent will say I can't control my kid and does nothing. When kid costs parents money control might be forth coming, so child doesn't sit down for a week, gets a curfew, etc. Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika From afpadc at afprinters.com Wed May 23 10:49:44 2007 From: afpadc at afprinters.com (Arthur D. Chotin) Date: Wed May 23 10:49:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Phasers Message-ID: <20070523144947.223273251@sheffield.xo.com> We are considering buying a Xerox Phaser 7400 for certain kinds of color work and a 5500 for certain kinds of b/w. Anyone have any experience with these? Thanks in advance. Arthur Arthur D. Chotin President American Financial Printers 734 15th Street, NW Washington, DC 20005 Tel: 202.464.5500 Fax: 202.464.5505 www.afprinters.com afpadc@afprinters.com From sos at olympus.net Wed May 23 11:21:17 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed May 23 11:23:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Thief Has Been Caught References: <6EF7F49E-B5F3-4DB5-AB09-79B20A758C68@protypeonline.com><83d5b9620705230547q25734855u360e175901d4f156@mail.gmail.com> <001901c79d3d$7d0e3f00$0500a8c0@Nancy> Message-ID: <002001c79d4e$029c34f0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> > Last night they caught the thief that broke into our shop along with many > churches in the area. He had the file that he used the last time and broke > the tip off in the door. The tip was caught between the doors so when we > opened the door the tip fell out. =============== Sounds like a bright lad. Broke the file off but kept it as evidence. Targeted a printshop and churches. Smart. Very smart. Sounds like he needs a psychiatrist more than a judge. We should deport people like that. Enough building prisons already, just send them to Africa or someplace. That's what I'd do. You break the law you no get to be a Danlandier anymore. Deported. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From ed at graphicprintersinc.com Wed May 23 12:06:40 2007 From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce) Date: Wed May 23 12:06:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Thief Has Been Caught In-Reply-To: <002001c79d4e$029c34f0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <007601c79d54$59f54b50$5a01a8c0@fileserver> Dan wrote: "You break the law you no get to be a Danlandier anymore. Deported." Didn't England try something similar 200 - 300 years ago? Dan, either deportation or 3rd strike and we just put them to sleep. Remove enough humans and we may solve the global warming problem and the crime problem all at the same time! This would even lessen the demand for fuel which should mean lower gas prices as well. What a deal! The only real negative would be what to do with all of the prisons and finding employment for all of those guards. Before everyone gets their underwear in a wad about the above statements I am really just kidding. Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:21 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Thief Has Been Caught ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > Last night they caught the thief that broke into our shop along with many > churches in the area. He had the file that he used the last time and broke > the tip off in the door. The tip was caught between the doors so when we > opened the door the tip fell out. =============== Sounds like a bright lad. Broke the file off but kept it as evidence. Targeted a printshop and churches. Smart. Very smart. Sounds like he needs a psychiatrist more than a judge. We should deport people like that. Enough building prisons already, just send them to Africa or someplace. That's what I'd do. You break the law you no get to be a Danlandier anymore. Deported. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2286 (20070523) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From sos at olympus.net Wed May 23 12:17:59 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed May 23 12:21:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Thief Has Been Caught [OFF] References: <007601c79d54$59f54b50$5a01a8c0@fileserver> Message-ID: <005d01c79d55$ee492320$0300a8c0@DANIEL> > Dan wrote: "You break the law you no get to be a Danlandier anymore. > Deported." > > Didn't England try something similar 200 - 300 years ago? ====================== Yes, and it worked great. What people like that need is a very rude awakening and ultimate responsibility forced upon them. It's just too bad we don't have any vast empty (well relatively empty) continents left, like Australia and the Americas were 300 years ago to send them to. But sending them to jail doesn't usually work very well. What is it a 97% recidivism rate? Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From jim at visaliaidea.com Wed May 23 12:26:19 2007 From: jim at visaliaidea.com (James Laber) Date: Wed May 23 12:26:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Press Crash In-Reply-To: <20070523132317.7925F86BCF3@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <002401c79d57$1842b910$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local> Robin, We have never found the wrench or the blankets that were obviously ruined from the crash. I had two operators at the time that both ran the press and neither admits. Brodie systems says the damage would indicate plenty of noise being made but we have found no one who heard a thing. The reason we know it was an allen wrench is it made a nice die casting of the wrench in the double impression as it went through. The coverage is in the policy under business personal property. Jim Laber Idea! Printing & Graphics Inc 1921 E Main St Visalia CA 93292 559-733-4149 X118 Fax: 559-636-3690 jim@visaliaidea.com http://www.visaliaidea.com/ From slb at inkspot.net Wed May 23 12:27:53 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed May 23 12:28:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Thief Has Been Caught [OFF] In-Reply-To: <005d01c79d55$ee492320$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <46543349.22627.8B1CBBF@slb.inkspot.net> Actually, sending them to jail works quite well if you recognize that rehabilitation is, in most cases, not an achievable goal. While they are in jail, they are not able to prey on the law-abiding citizenry, and the cost of keeping them there is usually less, and often much less, than the costs of the havoc they would wreak if they were set free among us. JMO, Steve > > > > Dan wrote: "You break the law you no get to be a Danlandier anymore. > > Deported." > > > > Didn't England try something similar 200 - 300 years ago? > ====================== > > Yes, and it worked great. What people like that need is a very rude > awakening and ultimate responsibility forced upon them. It's just too bad > we don't have any vast empty (well relatively empty) continents left, like > Australia and the Americas were 300 years ago to send them to. > > But sending them to jail doesn't usually work very well. What is it a 97% > recidivism rate? > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2286 (20070523) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From robin at protypeonline.com Wed May 23 12:29:51 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed May 23 12:29:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ikon's version of KM C6500 Message-ID: <2D9A565A-F134-4126-B0FA-A8B45EA973E1@protypeonline.com> many, many months ago some of you on this list were discussing the IKON C650 color copier. Do you have one? Your thoughts? Good Service? Click charges? Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed May 23 12:30:38 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed May 23 12:30:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Thief Has Been Caught [OFF] Message-ID: In a message dated 5/23/2007 12:21:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sos@olympus.net writes: Yes, and it worked great. What people like that need is a very rude awakening and ultimate responsibility forced upon them. It's just too bad we don't have any vast empty (well relatively empty) continents left, like Australia and the Americas were 300 years ago to send them to. Well, what about some of our un-used or under-utilized states like North Dakota, Utah and all of Nevada excluding Las Vegas... Idaho would be Ok I guess, except for giving up the restuffed potatoes. Rhode Island comes to mind as well since it hardly qualifies as a state... it is more of a thru-way to other places. In any event, once we've come up with our list, just build a wall of concertina wire and electrify it, and hope for their sake it never rains or there would be a lot of dancing going on. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - "Print Shop For Sale" by Larry Hunt & John Stewart www.printshopsforsale.net 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed May 23 12:45:07 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed May 23 12:45:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Press Crash Message-ID: In a message dated 5/23/2007 12:27:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jim@visaliaidea.com writes: The reason we know it was an allen wrench is it made a nice die casting of the wrench in the double impression as it went through. The coverage is in the policy under business personal property. I know I've told this story before but can't remember when. Years ago while still in the DC area we used to turn to S&S Graphics (one of the top 100 firms in the country at the time) for our high quality stuff. They had everything and every type of press you could imagine, including a large, 36" 5-color Heidelberg. They used to run three shifts. One night, the lone press operator is running the 5-color press. He wanted a cigarette but they were out in the car. The car was unlocked. He figured he would keep the press running and it would only take 30 seconds or less to dash outside, grab his cigarettes and run back in... Hell, nothing to it! His car keys, which he didn't need were in his jacket but he needed neither to make this short run. So he made the dash outside to his car, and as the metal door behind him clanged short it flashed through his mind for a second whether the small center lock button had been untwisted to unlock the door. He forgot about the cigarettes and ran back to the door, grabbing the handle, hoping it would open and reveal the light from inside. NOPE! The door was locked, and all he could do for the next few seconds was hear the Heidelberg churning away very smoothly and efficiently inside. These were the days before cell phones. What would you do. What could you do? Make a call, and if so from where... this was in an industrial park. Yes, of course they should have had a second man on shift but this was the last run of 40,000 sheets that had been running from the prior shifts. And, as Paul Harvey would say, and now for the rest of the story. The pressman apparently was in tears not knowing what to do, but also knowing the inevitable would happen. He could hear it with his ears pressed to the door.... the first sheet jamming, and then the second and the third, and suddenly a horrendous sound as the press came to a halt with God knows how many sheets piled up at the gripper, on top of the gripper, beneath the gripper, etc. Long story short, the press, while not totally destroyed took more than three weeks to repair. Of course the company let the press operator go and apparently changed rules regarding smoking on the third shift as well as always requiring a second person on site. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - "Print Shop For Sale" by Larry Hunt & John Stewart www.printshopsforsale.net 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From slb at inkspot.net Wed May 23 12:54:02 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed May 23 12:54:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Thief Has Been Caught [OFF] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4654396A.5165.8C9BC71@slb.inkspot.net> Funny. Robert Heinlein proposed pretty much the same thing in at least one of his "future history" stories. Other science fiction writers have done so, as well. JM2c, Steve > Well, what about some of our un-used or under-utilized states like North > Dakota, Utah and all of Nevada excluding Las Vegas... Idaho would be Ok I guess, > except for giving up the restuffed potatoes. Rhode Island comes to mind as > well since it