From carisa at holmesprinting.com Fri Jun 1 07:53:37 2007 From: carisa at holmesprinting.com (Carisa Holmes-Peters) Date: Fri Jun 1 07:53:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] phone/cel phone use In-Reply-To: <20070531220431.5133688F1FF@rb.enter.net> References: <20070531220431.5133688F1FF@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <208C64F3-FDE3-4152-A31B-EC1A4234ED37@holmesprinting.com> We are dealing with the same thing. I attempted to fight this battle years ago and then lightened up a little. Still bothers me when I see the press operator standing by the press just chatting on the phone. He does a good job and no reprints so I wonder sometimes how much leeway they should be allowed. We also have a single mom of 3 whose kids do call her somewhat regularly...what do you do? On May 31, 2007, at 6:04 PM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 11:45:17 -0500 > From: Greg Weinfurter > Subject: [PrintOwners] phone/cel phone use > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Message-ID: <304C4484-830F-4A5F-B3DE-ED5866290F76@bfm.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > How do other shops handle employees and their phone use, or a newer > problem, cel phones? > > G Carisa Holmes-Peters Administrative Office Manager HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com http://www.holmesprinting.com/ ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! POSTERS, BANNERS, INDOOR/OUTDOOR AND MORE - CALL TODAY! ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** From info at huttotxprinting.com Fri Jun 1 10:09:02 2007 From: info at huttotxprinting.com (Hutto Printing) Date: Fri Jun 1 10:09:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] need source for laser checks Message-ID: <5d18ded0664ee1cdf8e6dbadb3feda9f@huttotxprinting.com> I have been using Unique Checks, but apparently they have forgotten the art of customer service and went the opposite direction! Can anyone recommend a reliable source for laser checks? We don't do a whole lot, but we do have a few customers that order them through us. Thanks! Darrell Trammel Hutto Printing 512.846.1990 Order online at www.huttotxprinting.com !! Hutto Chamber of Commerce Member Authorized Adobe Solutions Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider From mail at myprinter.biz Fri Jun 1 10:17:43 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Fri Jun 1 10:17:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] phone/cel phone use In-Reply-To: <208C64F3-FDE3-4152-A31B-EC1A4234ED37@holmesprinting.com> Message-ID: Carisa (and others) - I've been able to fail at handling this properly in several ways, but here are some thoughts: Pick your hill carefully and be prepared to defend it to the death. Write down your rules about phone usage, have each employee sign and date his/her copy of them, and provide them with a copy of the signed/dated original. Make NO exceptions. Follow the same rules you make for everybody else (lead by example). Make it clear that you plan to be fair - even easy - as long as your employees are fair in return. Suggested rule #1: Absolutely NO use of cell phones for personal purposes while at work stations: Make them (and you) "take a break and take it outside." Suggested rule #2: Absolutely NO use of business phones for out-bound personal calls while at work stations. Designate a single phone in a highly visible area for such calls. Suggested rule #3: Absolutely NO in-bound personal calls of more than three minutes on business phones while at work stations. If the call needs to take longer than that, it can be done by cell phone - outside - or on the single phone designated for such calls. Issue a formal "Notice of Disciplinary Probation" to violators after their second offense, require that they sign the original as an acknowledgement that the matter was discussed with them, as were the possible consequences (suspension without pay or termination for cause, at your sole discretion) of any future violations, and give them a copy. [If you get to this spot, you probably have the wrong employee and probably should have fired him/her already.] Good luck. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Carisa Holmes-Peters Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 7:54 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] phone/cel phone use ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are dealing with the same thing. I attempted to fight this battle years ago and then lightened up a little. Still bothers me when I see the press operator standing by the press just chatting on the phone. He does a good job and no reprints so I wonder sometimes how much leeway they should be allowed. We also have a single mom of 3 whose kids do call her somewhat regularly...what do you do? On May 31, 2007, at 6:04 PM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 11:45:17 -0500 > From: Greg Weinfurter > Subject: [PrintOwners] phone/cel phone use > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Message-ID: <304C4484-830F-4A5F-B3DE-ED5866290F76@bfm.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > How do other shops handle employees and their phone use, or a newer > problem, cel phones? > > G Carisa Holmes-Peters Administrative Office Manager HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com http://www.holmesprinting.com/ ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! POSTERS, BANNERS, INDOOR/OUTDOOR AND MORE - CALL TODAY! ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From stalprint at charter.net Fri Jun 1 10:18:36 2007 From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings) Date: Fri Jun 1 10:18:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] need source for laser checks In-Reply-To: <5d18ded0664ee1cdf8e6dbadb3feda9f@huttotxprinting.com> References: <5d18ded0664ee1cdf8e6dbadb3feda9f@huttotxprinting.com> Message-ID: <46602ABC.9060309@charter.net> Ennis http://www.ennis.com/about_us/scf.htm I use Virginia location Hutto Printing wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have been using Unique Checks, but apparently they have forgotten > the art of customer service and went the opposite direction! Can > anyone recommend a reliable source for laser checks? We don't do a > whole lot, but we do have a few customers that order them through us. > Thanks! > > Darrell Trammel > Hutto Printing > 512.846.1990 > > Order online at www.huttotxprinting.com !! > > Hutto Chamber of Commerce Member > Authorized Adobe Solutions Provider > Microsoft Publisher Service Provider > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net Lenoir, NC 28645 From robin at protypeonline.com Fri Jun 1 10:41:01 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Fri Jun 1 10:40:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] DI vs color copier Message-ID: <8FF5F9B0-CAC2-432D-8E3F-E13EC83AAD72@protypeonline.com> Steve, my first thought was if you thought you could afford the $175,000 DI before, what has changed your mind? Do you have the volume to support this? Are you extremely confident that you can and will grow the work to put on the DI? Do you currently broker tons of work that you can bring in-house and run on the DI? I would be nervous about spending that kind of money but if you have done the research and run the numbers....don't let others opinions push you off track. If you haven't done your due diligence, then be nervous! Good Luck. Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From John at mpcny.com Fri Jun 1 10:40:57 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Fri Jun 1 10:41:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: DI vs color copier In-Reply-To: <20070601141731.AFD1F89C9C1@rb.enter.net> References: <20070601141731.AFD1F89C9C1@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <000701c7a45a$de3dc330$9ab94990$@com> I think your safe buying the DI for what you want to do for the next 3-5 years. You will get some advantages with real ink also. The best of both in your case. Just think 3 years ago the standard was 12-32 CPM. Now it is 50-60 Cpm. In 3 years using the same matrix you will get 80-110 cpm for a lower cost then you're paying today. Then the mix changes again John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.5/826 - Release Date: 5/31/2007 4:51 PM From slb at inkspot.net Fri Jun 1 12:29:16 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Fri Jun 1 12:29:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 12pt C1s on KM 500 or KM 6500 (or Ikon 650) - siz e 13" x 19" In-Reply-To: <01d401c7a3d8$d18dc0e0$dd8df745@DG2CHT61> Message-ID: <4660111C.29633.5BA2A57@slb.inkspot.net> We've used quite a bit of the Kromekote 12pt CC1S from Smart Papers in the 18x12 size. It's 247gsm, which is just within spec for our C500. We feed it either from the bypass or the LCT, and, for 2-sided jobs, we print one side, reload, and print the other side. The 6500 might be able to autoduplex and feed from the regular trays; the C500 can't for that weight. If it's not available in 13x19, it's probably available in something larger that you can cut. HTH, Steve > > Can anyone tell us what they use on the KM 500 or KM 6500 (or Ikon 650) > In 12 pt C1S size 13" x 19" > > We Will be overprinting on one side (uncoated side) w Black Ink ONLY > > What Brand do you use? > Is it digital? > Which Drawer to you put it in? > > Please relate any problems > > What effective production speed do you achieve (copies per min.)? > > Is this a job we should not run? > > Bernie Schreiber > > PrintNet USA, Inc. > Cockrill Bend Industrial Park > 7005 Westbelt Drive > Nashville, TN 37209 > > 615.385.9100 phone > 615.298.4234 fax > > bernies@printnetusa.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2304 (20070601) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From slb at inkspot.net Fri Jun 1 12:33:37 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Fri Jun 1 12:33:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 12pt C1s on KM 500 or KM 6500 (or Ikon 650) - siz e 13" x 19" In-Reply-To: <01d401c7a3d8$d18dc0e0$dd8df745@DG2CHT61> Message-ID: <46601221.7767.5BE2815@slb.inkspot.net> In answer to your other questions, we get about 3 impressions per minute for 18x12 Kromekote on our C500. I think the 6500 is faster. Bear in mind that, while the C500 will feed 13x19, it is my understanding that it will only print up to just enough to bleed a 12x18. Again, I'm not sure about the 6500. If we could get suitable stock, meet the time schedule, and had a customer who would pay fairly for the job, we wouldn't hesitate to take this one. HTH, Steve > > Can anyone tell us what they use on the KM 500 or KM 6500 (or Ikon 650) > In 12 pt C1S size 13" x 19" > > We Will be overprinting on one side (uncoated side) w Black Ink ONLY > > What Brand do you use? > Is it digital? > Which Drawer to you put it in? > > Please relate any problems > > What effective production speed do you achieve (copies per min.)? > > Is this a job we should not run? > > Bernie Schreiber > > PrintNet USA, Inc. > Cockrill Bend Industrial Park > 7005 Westbelt Drive > Nashville, TN 37209 > > 615.385.9100 phone > 615.298.4234 fax > > bernies@printnetusa.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2304 (20070601) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From gailscott at eos.net Fri Jun 1 14:06:47 2007 From: gailscott at eos.net (Gail & Scott Finke) Date: Fri Jun 1 14:26:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] oversized thermography Message-ID: Scott posted here a while ago about a job we are quoting. The only place that can do it yet is Carlson Craft. They were very friendly and professional about quoting it, BTW. It is an 8.5 x 11 letterhead sheet that bleeds on 3 sides, printed in laser-safe thermography on a 100% cotton sheet. The places we have looked at say they can't get oversized sheets in 100% cotton. Now is it just me or is this something that should not be that hard to do? I know it's not exactly something that every company WANTS to do, but it is what the customer wants. (Yes, a law firm). Why is this such a problem? Or do I just not know enough to know this is impossible? Gail Finke ----------------- Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 513-522-2679 info@brentwood-printing.com From ron at printingconcepts.com Fri Jun 1 16:57:36 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Fri Jun 1 15:52:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] DI vs color copier In-Reply-To: <8FF5F9B0-CAC2-432D-8E3F-E13EC83AAD72@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: Steve: I think the DI technology is a thing of the past. It is my understanding Heidelburg is no longer making them. I know of a couple of quick printers who bought these things in the last couple of years and run them very little. They thought they could compete on 4CP with commercial printers and found out they couldn't. I also know of a couple of commercial printers who have them and they hate them. I am also convinced that part of our ability to compete in this arena is our extensive bindery capability for bigger jobs. It is also my understanding that our plate cost on our 23 x 29 is about the same as a DI. So we can run double the number up, do work and turns when a DI is forced to do most stuff sheetwise, and presentation folders and posters which the DI is precluded from doing. Add that a lot of customers specify Aqueous Coating and you are out of the bidding. Just stuff to think about, I am not saying in your case you are not correct. I also would guess that these things depreciate quite rapidly. Ron Taggart Printing Concepts, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 10:41 AM To: printowners printowners Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] DI vs color copier ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Steve, my first thought was if you thought you could afford the $175,000 DI before, what has changed your mind? Do you have the volume to support this? Are you extremely confident that you can and will grow the work to put on the DI? Do you currently broker tons of work that you can bring in-house and run on the DI? I would be nervous about spending that kind of money but if you have done the research and run the numbers....don't let others opinions push you off track. If you haven't done your due diligence, then be nervous! Good Luck. Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Fri Jun 1 16:59:53 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri Jun 1 17:01:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] oversized thermography References: Message-ID: <009301c7a48f$cd4cf5c0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Our paper wholesaler, West Coast Paper has 100% Cotton in parent size, 23x35. Mohawk Strathmore Pure Cotton. That's it though. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From si at ria.net Fri Jun 1 22:30:56 2007 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Fri Jun 1 22:33:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] The Kinko's Experience Message-ID: <20070601193301.DF296307@pop15.mta.everyone.net> Always amusing (and educational) to read blog posts about consumer experiences at Kinko's... this one from a teacher. http://xrl.us/qpa/LemmeTalkToKinko.htm The post ends with a series of questions [If this was the end of a chapter, I would ask the following questions "for further exploration":] Good for a chuckle, 'specially if you have kids in school these days. Doug -- Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net -- Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From robin at protypeonline.com Sat Jun 2 10:10:23 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Sat Jun 2 10:09:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mac Quick Time Help Message-ID: <4444BF6A-DA2B-4C80-997F-D8151E656BCE@protypeonline.com> to my knowledge I have not changed any settings but the last couple weeks I cannot get Quicktime application to work....I get a greyed out "Q" with a question mark in it on web pages or anytime Quicktime should automatically open. Any thoughts? Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From robin at protypeonline.com Sat Jun 2 10:11:31 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Sat Jun 2 10:10:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mac Quicktime Help Message-ID: <99CD10E4-37D9-4A41-828F-41F0C6709C37@protypeonline.com> forgot to tell you, I CAN open the application, it just won't open on web pages. Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From bgallagher at nbn.net Sat Jun 2 16:18:03 2007 From: bgallagher at nbn.net (Bob Gallagher) Date: Sat Jun 2 16:18:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mac Quicktime Help In-Reply-To: <99CD10E4-37D9-4A41-828F-41F0C6709C37@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: On 6/2/07 10:11 AM, "Robin Niewold" wrote: Did you check your system preferences for quicktime? Open preferences and click on quicktime and make sure the boxes are checked to automatically open. Depending on the browser you use, you may have to go into those preferences and enable quicktime there. Bob Gallagher Gallagher Printing, Inc. 601 W. Main Street Palmyra, PA 17078 717-838-1527 1-888-838-1527 Fax 717-838-5715 An Adobe Service Provider A Microsoft Publisher Provider Member, Adobe Solutions Network From DanF at MMSNY.com Sun Jun 3 22:41:42 2007 From: DanF at MMSNY.com (Dan Flatt) Date: Sun Jun 3 22:39:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] DI vs color copier Message-ID: Ron, I am glad you like your press. You don't own a DI. I do. We love it and it makes me money every day. I own a Ryobi not a heidelburger. We have 4 color copiers (2 clc-5000, 2 ir5180's). Quality and variety of stock make the DI my first choice. Uptime is near 100% versus 60% on copiers (copiers break down when used and often in the middle of critical runs- they all look different as well so it is hard to switch jobs from one machine to another). If you can produce at least $15,000 worth of printing per month, you can justify a DI. I can't give any info on the Heidelburge except service is very $$$$. Dan Flatt Multi Media Services www.mmsny.com Corning, NY -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org on behalf of Ron Taggart Sent: Fri 6/1/2007 4:57 PM To: printowners Cc: Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] DI vs color copier ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Steve: I think the DI technology is a thing of the past. It is my understanding Heidelburg is no longer making them. I know of a couple of quick printers who bought these things in the last couple of years and run them very little. They thought they could compete on 4CP with commercial printers and found out they couldn't. I also know of a couple of commercial printers who have them and they hate them. I am also convinced that part of our ability to compete in this arena is our extensive bindery capability for bigger jobs. It is also my understanding that our plate cost on our 23 x 29 is about the same as a DI. So we can run double the number up, do work and turns when a DI is forced to do most stuff sheetwise, and presentation folders and posters which the DI is precluded from doing. Add that a lot of customers specify Aqueous Coating and you are out of the bidding. Just stuff to think about, I am not saying in your case you are not correct. I also would guess that these things depreciate quite rapidly. Ron Taggart Printing Concepts, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 10:41 AM To: printowners printowners Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] DI vs color copier ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Steve, my first thought was if you thought you could afford the $175,000 DI before, what has changed your mind? Do you have the volume to support this? Are you extremely confident that you can and will grow the work to put on the DI? Do you currently broker tons of work that you can bring in-house and run on the DI? I would be nervous about spending that kind of money but if you have done the research and run the numbers....don't let others opinions push you off track. If you haven't done your due diligence, then be nervous! Good Luck. Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dennis.trump at gmail.com Mon Jun 4 09:24:55 2007 From: dennis.trump at gmail.com (Dennis Trump) Date: Mon Jun 4 09:24:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] DI vs color copier In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41aa6a080706040624rbdcfe70w4b7f4655f5886c8a@mail.gmail.com> > I am glad you like your press. You don't own a DI. I do. We love it and it makes me money every day. I own a Ryobi not a heidelburger. We have 4 color copiers (2 clc-5000, 2 ir5180's). Quality and variety of stock make the DI my first choice. Uptime is near 100% versus 60% on copiers (copiers break down when used and often in the middle of critical runs- they all look different as well so it is hard to switch jobs from one machine to another). > If you can produce at least $15,000 worth of printing per month, you can justify a Dan makes some good points for the DI. We were looking at the same issues when I purchased our DI and went with the DI. In our situation I didn't feel our prepress was strong enough to support a conventional 4C press and the DI was a good fit for us. You can take a raw file for something like a postcard and have it on press and running in a remarkably short period of time. No color shift and if the runs get really long we just replate and keep on going. If you have a good 4 color prepress department now and can make plates for a conventional press then the DI is probably not for you. Your looking at about $40 in cost to plate a DI. The DI is still a press and it takes a decent press operator to run. In our situation I have spent a relatively small amount on maintenance but I attribute that to my operator who goes through the press on his downtime to clean, service, lubricate, etc and I've also been pretty lucky with my used press. In our area Heidelberg has been great but that's also because of one service tech who installed the press takes care of us. I've heard they are retraining these guys to do other stuff now that H is not making the DI but as long as I can get our current service tech I feel we're in pretty good shape. I sense that other areas of the country might be different. Our service does come out of Chicago so it is a minimum of $600 for him to walk in our door. In the 1 1/2 years we've had our unit we've had 2 service calls and 1 was for software upgrades. I hear the complaints about H's service but I wonder how much less you would pay for Presstek or one of the other manufacturers to come on your floor. The nice part about a DI is that if you do encounter a slow period and it's just sitting you're not on the hook for minimum click charges. If you can chin the payment on a DI you're in pretty good shape. Right now we're looking at needing to replace our Canon 3900 which is a boat anchor mostly because of the service issues associated with that machine. I'm much happier with my DI now than I was with my Canon during the same period of time in service. Bottom line is I've wasted more money on my digital color units than I have on my DI. -- Dennis Trump Trump Printing & Direct Mail Communications Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 From alewinter at datapalette.com Mon Jun 4 10:46:12 2007 From: alewinter at datapalette.com (Andrew LeWinter) Date: Mon Jun 4 10:44:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Legality question References: <465D9A77.1070807@copycats.com> <002901c7a2f6$f91388d0$6900a8c0@Tom> Message-ID: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D501547FD@mail1.datapalette.local> I don't see a legality question. The only problem is how the system has been explained to the end user (Company B), and their interpretation. For example, if Company A is an advertising agency, and secured the design business by agreeing to handle purchasing of the printed product at no additional charge, Company B might interpret that they are getting the same price from you that you would bill the agency direct, without a commission or markup included. On the other hand, their agreement might include an understanding that Compnay A will receive a commission directly from you. While you don't have a legality problem, since you are not a party to their agreement, your risk is that if Company A is trying to put something over on Company B, and gets caught, Company A is likely to get thrown out, and you are unlikely to keep the business (under an assumed belief that you worked behind the scenes to cheat them). Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tom King Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:13 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Legality question ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I see nothing wrong with the setup, just make sure your 'rebate' is a check to the company, not cash to the purchasing director! Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 2:56 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Legality question ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I'm not sure everyone is addressing what Bob is asking. It is my understanding that Bob's Copycats is selling to Business A. Business A is then presenting Copycat's invoices to it's Customer B as the total that Business A owes Copycats and requesting payment, while getting a rebate from Copycat that is unknown to Customer B. Bob, does this sum this up? -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Robert Stor Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 11:39 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Legality question ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I am faced with an ethical/legal question and I want to throw it out here in the hope that I can gain some clarity from the discussion. I pitched a new prospect today. In the course of the meeting, the buyer for company X told me that they have a rebate policy with their print vendors. Company X presents print invoices their clients without a mark-up. The client pays the invoice. At the end of the year the print vendor rebates to company X a % of the billings. My first reaction is that this feels illegal/unethical and that it's essentially a kick-back. I asked my accountant for an opinion, and he felt it was not substantially different than the rebate you get from Staples for purchases made there, which you re-sell to your clients, for example. I'd love to hear some input on this. Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From MikeStevens at Gutenblog.com Mon Jun 4 11:38:10 2007 From: MikeStevens at Gutenblog.com (Mike Stevens) Date: Mon Jun 4 11:38:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Apple E-mail Tech Question Message-ID: Hello Tech Heads! I need some help with my Apple e-mail (version 2.1.1). Here's my question: When I click "New" to send an e-mail message, and I type in the first letter of the person's e-mail address, a drop-down window opens up with dozens of old e-mail addresses I've sent to previously. In my case, I have hundreds of old, obscure e-mail addresses in these drop-down windows. Is there a way to delete them? I can't figure out how to do it... Kindest Regards, Mike Stevens ------------ Mike Stevens www.WebsitesForPrinters.com www.DirectMailForPrinters.com 1-800-736-0688 ext. 132 prompt 3 MikeStevens@Gutenblog.com From ed at graphicprintersinc.com Mon Jun 4 12:17:40 2007 From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce) Date: Mon Jun 4 12:17:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Apple E-mail Tech Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006301c7a6c3$dfee2bf0$5a01a8c0@fileserver> Hi Mike, I would recommend a guy by the name of Dave Hutlin. He works for an obscure little company in North Dakota called Web Sites for Printers and he is very good at what he does. He should be able to help you solve your problem. Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mike Stevens Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:38 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Apple E-mail Tech Question ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hello Tech Heads! I need some help with my Apple e-mail (version 2.1.1). Here's my question: When I click "New" to send an e-mail message, and I type in the first letter of the person's e-mail address, a drop-down window opens up with dozens of old e-mail addresses I've sent to previously. In my case, I have hundreds of old, obscure e-mail addresses in these drop-down windows. Is there a way to delete them? I can't figure out how to do it... Kindest Regards, Mike Stevens ------------ Mike Stevens www.WebsitesForPrinters.com www.DirectMailForPrinters.com 1-800-736-0688 ext. 132 prompt 3 MikeStevens@Gutenblog.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2307 (20070604) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From championprinting at yahoo.com Mon Jun 4 12:43:01 2007 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Mon Jun 4 12:43:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] DI vs color copier (vs Conventional) Message-ID: <421692.31207.qm@web38903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I did not realize that the prepress function was any different (more efficient) than any direct to plate system. H said nothing of this during their pitch. The guys selling conventional presses said that installing imaged plates was the only difference and it took no more time for that than for an older DI to image and install plates. I believe the DI had the same RIP as our prepress department was using and since we needed a platemaker for the other equipment anyway, we passed on the DI. The rush job example that Dennis gives makes a good case for the DI. We would direct those to our C500 (at a much higher cost for higher quantities, although FusionPro would allow us to address them during the printing pass). I thought the DI was an excellent fit for those who do not need for platemaking capabilities. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Dennis Trump To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Monday, June 4, 2007 9:24:55 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] DI vs color copier In our situation I didn't feel our prepress was strong enough to support a conventional 4C press and the DI was a good fit for us. You can take a raw file for something like a postcard and have it on press and running in a remarkably short period of time.-- Dennis Trump Trump Printing & Direct Mail Communications Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 _______________________________________________ From MikeStevens at Gutenblog.com Mon Jun 4 12:45:47 2007 From: MikeStevens at Gutenblog.com (Mike Stevens) Date: Mon Jun 4 12:46:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Apple E-mail Tech Question Message-ID: Hi Ed- Ha Ha, very funny. All of us here have been totally unable to figure out how to delete old e-mail addresses. There must be some simple way to do it ? anybody got any ideas? Mike Stevens ------------ Mike Stevens www.WebsitesForPrinters.com www.DirectMailForPrinters.com 1-800-736-0688 ext. 132 prompt 3 MikeStevens@Gutenblog.com From brian at mousegraphics.com Mon Jun 4 13:20:18 2007 From: brian at mousegraphics.com (Brian Perkinson) Date: Mon Jun 4 13:20:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Apple E-mail Tech Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <466449D2.7020802@mousegraphics.com> Mike Stevens wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hi Ed- > > Ha Ha, very funny. All of us here have been totally unable to figure out how > to delete old e-mail addresses. There must be some simple way to do it ? > anybody got any ideas? > It should be in the composing section of the preferences. Uncheck the autocomplete button. Brian -- Brian Perkinson Mousegraphics 1414 W 14th St Tempe, AZ 85281 480-894-1992 1-888-88 MOUSE brian@mousegraphics.com www.mousegraphics.com From sos at olympus.net Mon Jun 4 13:20:48 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Jun 4 13:22:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Business is up References: <421692.31207.qm@web38903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00c401c7a6cc$b184ad30$0300a8c0@DANIEL> I was just going over our May financial statement. Business is up 16% over same period last year. We must be doing something right. Wish I knew what it was. Generally speaking we've been up 8 to 10% pretty consistently over the past numerous years. I've been kind of afraid to really check, 'cause it seems to me we haven't been as busy lately, only running the 4 color press 2 or 3 days a week. But that is the main difference, full color printing has gone from almost nothing, to 14% of revenue. Color copying has remainded about the same at another 14% of sales. Black & white copying has increased to about 18% of sales and 1 and 2 color printing holding at about 28%. The main thing we've been promoting (via our full color printed newsletter) the past year is our full color printing. But it doesn't seem to matter what you promote, people only need what they need. The important thing is to keep reminding them we're here, ready to help. What about profits you may very well ask? About 16% owner's compensation. Of course that would be 20% if I hadn't donated about 4% of gross to charity. But when 18 of your top 20 customers are non-profits the demands for donations are relentless. Well, that's my report if anyone is interested. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From ep101 at technaprint.com Mon Jun 4 13:31:54 2007 From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson) Date: Mon Jun 4 13:31:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Apple E-mail Tech Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm working on how to delete them... But in the meantime, you can defeat this feature altogether in System Preferences/Composing/ "Automatically complete addresses". Simply uncheck that box and it'll quit doing it. My wife just sent out an email to a former customer in a new job. It was inadvertently sent to her old email address. Somewhat embarrassing. So we're dealing with this very issue in Entourage this morning. Microsoft has a "Clear" button so you can continue the feature but blow out the addresses and start over. I'm not sure if simply quitting the feature in Mail will do the same thing and then when you restart it, the addresses are gone... You'll have to give it a try... ;-) Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com From robin at protypeonline.com Mon Jun 4 13:49:46 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Mon Jun 4 13:48:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 22, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <20070603160004.3907E8A517D@rb.enter.net> References: <20070603160004.3907E8A517D@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <47F34F4A-7D9C-464D-987B-6A7E2EF54510@protypeonline.com> Bob, did that, also checked preferences in Safari, went to apple's site and looked for technical info and articles, have looked up what plug- ins I have already on my hard drive and it seems that everything is in order. Then I thought I might just have a demo version of the quicktime software since it came pre-installed on my new macbook pro...but not so. I think it must be something simple....when using safari, no matter what website I go to, something on that site seems to have a quicktime link or item and all I get is a grayed out or screened "Q" with a question mark in it. Sometimes the entire site will not load and sometimes it is just one area that will not load. Robin On Jun 3, 2007, at 11:00 AM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > Send PrintOwners mailing list submissions to > printowners@printweb.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > printowners-request@printweb.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > printowners-owner@printweb.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of PrintOwners digest..." > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Digest ***** > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: RE: Mac Quicktime Help (Bob Gallagher) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 16:18:03 -0400 > From: Bob Gallagher > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mac Quicktime Help > To: "printowners@printweb.org" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > On 6/2/07 10:11 AM, "Robin Niewold" wrote: > > Did you check your system preferences for quicktime? Open > preferences and > click on quicktime and make sure the boxes are checked to > automatically > open. Depending on the browser you use, you may have to go into those > preferences and enable quicktime there. > > Bob Gallagher > Gallagher Printing, Inc. > 601 W. Main Street > Palmyra, PA 17078 > 717-838-1527 > 1-888-838-1527 > Fax 717-838-5715 > > > An Adobe Service Provider > A Microsoft Publisher Provider > Member, Adobe Solutions Network > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > End of PrintOwners Digest, Vol 22, Issue 4 > ****************************************** > Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From dennis.trump at gmail.com Mon Jun 4 13:52:15 2007 From: dennis.trump at gmail.com (Dennis Trump) Date: Mon Jun 4 13:52:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] DI vs color copier (vs Conventional) In-Reply-To: <421692.31207.qm@web38903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <421692.31207.qm@web38903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41aa6a080706041052n643b79a2od58331e5b653a51@mail.gmail.com> > I did not realize that the prepress function was any different (more efficient) than any direct to plate system. H said nothing of this during their pitch. The guys > > Ted Gelletly When I bought the DI I was searching for a new platemaker to replace our DPM 2340 which, while I feel is a good platemaker it was not good enough nor large enough to plate a conventional 14x20 or larger press. When I found the used DI I got a press and platemaking capabilities for that press as well as a proofing device (HP Designjet 5000) for not all that much more money. This figured into my decision at the time. I will still upgrade the DPM 2340 but with the DI running a great deal of our work this takes on less urgency. Like I have said before a lot of this decision depends on a shops individual capabilities. I'm just throwing out parts of the process I had to go through in making an informed decision. Others in different situations will arrive at a different solution to solve the same problem which in the end is making the most profit for the dollars spent. -- Dennis Trump Trump Printing & Direct Mail Communications Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 From ep101 at technaprint.com Mon Jun 4 14:04:50 2007 From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson) Date: Mon Jun 4 14:05:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mac Quicktime Help In-Reply-To: <47F34F4A-7D9C-464D-987B-6A7E2EF54510@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: Robin, This happened to me at home this weekend when I installed a new WM player. Since Microsoft is no longer supporting WM player for Mac and has referred everyone to a new product "Flip4Mac", in installing it, it took out my autoplay functionality in Firefox and gives you the greyed out Qtime logo. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/wmcomponents.mspx On their installation instructions, it says you must restart all Qtime applications. Presumably, you need to at the very least restart your browser(s) and/or the entire computer. If you didn't install this product, I'd to to Apple's website and download the current version of QuickTime and reinstall it. My computer ended up coming back up and performing as expected after the browser and/or system restart. Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Bob, > did that, also checked preferences in Safari, went to apple's site > and looked for technical info and articles, have looked up what plug- > ins I have already on my hard drive and it seems that everything is > in order. Then I thought I might just have a demo version of the > quicktime software since it came pre-installed on my new macbook > pro...but not so. > I think it must be something simple....when using safari, no matter > what website I go to, something on that site seems to have a > quicktime link or item and all I get is a grayed out or screened "Q" > with a question mark in it. Sometimes the entire site will not load > and sometimes it is just one area that will not load. > Robin > > On Jun 3, 2007, at 11:00 AM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > >> Send PrintOwners mailing list submissions to >> printowners@printweb.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> printowners-request@printweb.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> printowners-owner@printweb.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of PrintOwners digest..." >> >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Digest ***** >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: RE: Mac Quicktime Help (Bob Gallagher) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 16:18:03 -0400 >> From: Bob Gallagher >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Mac Quicktime Help >> To: "printowners@printweb.org" >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> >> On 6/2/07 10:11 AM, "Robin Niewold" wrote: >> >> Did you check your system preferences for quicktime? Open >> preferences and >> click on quicktime and make sure the boxes are checked to >> automatically >> open. Depending on the browser you use, you may have to go into those >> preferences and enable quicktime there. >> >> Bob Gallagher >> Gallagher Printing, Inc. >> 601 W. Main Street >> Palmyra, PA 17078 >> 717-838-1527 >> 1-888-838-1527 >> Fax 717-838-5715 >> >> >> An Adobe Service Provider >> A Microsoft Publisher Provider >> Member, Adobe Solutions Network >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> End of PrintOwners Digest, Vol 22, Issue 4 >> ****************************************** >> > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From acepm2 at gmail.com Mon Jun 4 15:36:37 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Mon Jun 4 15:36:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Business is up In-Reply-To: <00c401c7a6cc$b184ad30$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <421692.31207.qm@web38903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00c401c7a6cc$b184ad30$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: Dan, Congratulations!!! Good for you too!!! You don't say what type of equipment mix you have, but you are obviously heading in the right direction. Don't worry too much about the nonprofs asking for donations. We get them all the time. Part of the business I guess. Just like you, we give too. Keep up the fantastic work!!! Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On 6/4/07, Dan Huntingford wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I was just going over our May financial statement. Business is up 16% over > same period last year. We must be doing something right. > Wish I knew what it was. > Generally speaking we've been up 8 to 10% pretty consistently over the > past > numerous years. I've been kind of afraid to really check, 'cause it seems > to me we haven't been as busy lately, only running the 4 color press 2 or > 3 > days a week. > But that is the main difference, full color printing has gone from almost > nothing, to 14% of revenue. Color copying has remainded about the same at > another 14% of sales. Black & white copying has increased to about 18% of > sales and 1 and 2 color printing holding at about 28%. > The main thing we've been promoting (via our full color printed > newsletter) > the past year is our full color printing. But it doesn't seem to matter > what you promote, people only need what they need. The important thing is > to keep reminding them we're here, ready to help. > What about profits you may very well ask? About 16% owner's compensation. > Of course that would be 20% if I hadn't donated about 4% of gross to > charity. But when 18 of your top 20 customers are non-profits the demands > for donations are relentless. > > Well, that's my report if anyone is interested. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From sos at olympus.net Mon Jun 4 16:19:39 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Jun 4 16:21:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Business is up References: <421692.31207.qm@web38903.mail.mud.yahoo.com><00c401c7a6cc$b184ad30$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <012701c7a6e5$ada7ded0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thom Gulyas" > You don't say what type of equipment mix you have, but you are obviously > heading in the right direction. ================== 1 & 2 color Quickmasters, 4 color GTO, DPX platesetter, Epson 7600 (24"), Xerox Docucolor 240/Creo, Xerox 4110, Xerox 7665, Ricoh W840 (36" wide blue print style) comb, spiral, wireo binding, Duplo 10000 2 tower, DBM250 collator booklet maker, MBO B118 w/ right angle, Challenge 305 programmable, small format laminators, Rollem Auto 4. I feel like we are pretty well equipped and haven't bought any equipment in at least a year and a half. Which killed me on income tax last year. Ah well. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From rshutson at yahoo.com Mon Jun 4 16:32:59 2007 From: rshutson at yahoo.com (Roger Hutson) Date: Mon Jun 4 16:55:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Hamada B452 and Python CTP In-Reply-To: <20070604175222.221628A9927@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <233366.53746.qm@web53707.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Anyone running a Hamada B452 with a console? Just need some input on how the press performs and what is the best CTP to go with this machine? How about the Highwater Python 74cm CTP. Roger at JOEMC in Jacksonville, NC --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. From QKCONSULT at aol.com Mon Jun 4 16:59:08 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Mon Jun 4 16:59:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] High valuations also happen.... Message-ID: Last week, I posted something at Larry Hunt's request regarding a Texas printer who was really disappointed to find out (at least using our new book as a guide) how little his business was worth, at least in our opinions. Like Larry, I wish the numbers had not turned out to be as low as they were, but the value we placed on the business was what it was, for better or for worse. If he can sell it for more then more power to him, but if a buyer approached us our "fair market value" would remain the same as before. Some times, the reverse is true, but probably not quite as often. Businesses can end up being worth more than the owner thinks. A franchise owner in Virginia wrote us recently to say she was pleasantly surprised that her business appears to be worth even more than she had thought. Here are the details. She started her printing business in 1983 and has had steady, although unspectacular, growth over the past 24 years. In the past three years, sales have been growing at about 5% per year and they stood at $950,000 in 2006. Her owner?s compensation percentage has been climbing as she has worked to trim costs in all areas of the business. Through this hard work, she has improved it from 13% in 2003 to 18% in 2006. (By the way, that is after including, as she should, the franchise fees since those are legitimate expenses). In late 2003, she asked Larry to guesstimate the approximate value of her business. Based on sales of about $800,000 and 13% Net Owner?s Compensation, Larry put the value at about $300,000 at that time. She was pretty pretty upset with this value, according to Larry, because she wanted to retire by 2008 or 2009 and she felt that she needed a lot more than $300,000 from her business. He told her that her best bet to raise the business value was to improve the profitability while continuing to grow the sales. Well, that is what she has done and it has paid off in spades. I know that sounds like, "easier said than done" but she did it because she was determined! Based on her latest 2006 numbers of $950,000 sales and 18% Net Owner?s Compensation, her business value now comes in at $570,000, or almost double what it was in 2003. She has added $270,000 in value while at the same time increasing what she is able to take out of the business. In 2006, she made $171,000 Net Owner?s Compensation (18% of $950,000) vs. $104,000 in 2003 (13% of $800,000). Needless to say, she is very happy with the improved profitability and plans to continue to work at building the business value for another couple of years. Her new goal is to get the sales up another 20% or so and get Net Owner?s Compensation into the 20% range. Based on her calculations using the approaches we discussed in the book (as well as dozens of tips and suggestions she has picked up from successful fellow franchisees), she figures that her business value will increase another $200,000 to about $770,000. Then, maybe she?ll retire or, maybe she?ll just keep building value. That?s a nice decision to have to make. To paraphrase former Illinois Sen. Dirksen, "Heck, increasing the value $100,000 here and another $100,000 there and pretty soon she'll be talking about real money." Anyway, the whole point of this is that not all of my stories and columns are meant to be "bad news" or discouraging or downbeat, it just seems like that at times. Unless you're planning on selling in the next 12-18 months there are indeed many things you can do to improve profits and therefore value. In fact, I've known a few situations where once the owner turned the corner and was making the profits he thought he should have been making all along, decided to put aside the idea of selling and concentrated instead on installing a management team to run the business in his absence while continuing to produce a steady, albeit somewhat lower stream of cash from the business and yet remaining on as sole owner. That's sort of like having your cake and eating it too! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From brianoday at eprint.us Mon Jun 4 17:03:23 2007 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Mon Jun 4 17:03:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Business is up In-Reply-To: <012701c7a6e5$ada7ded0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <421692.31207.qm@web38903.mail.mud.yahoo.com><00c401c7a6cc$b184ad30$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <012701c7a6e5$ada7ded0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <005901c7a6eb$c9d3ba10$6e01a8c0@Brian> Glad to see someone else in the Northwest using a GTO and DPX system We have very similar equipment and our sales are also up 20%. I believe there is a great market for surviving QUICK PRINTER that have full color printing capabilities. Going to the 5 color GTO in our case was not easy but well worth the investment in dollars and education. We have had the DPX system 4 years and only bought one set of metal plates which we really didn't need. Brian O'Day ePrint Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 1:20 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Business is up ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thom Gulyas" > You don't say what type of equipment mix you have, but you are obviously > heading in the right direction. ================== 1 & 2 color Quickmasters, 4 color GTO, DPX platesetter, Epson 7600 (24"), Xerox Docucolor 240/Creo, Xerox 4110, Xerox 7665, Ricoh W840 (36" wide blue print style) comb, spiral, wireo binding, Duplo 10000 2 tower, DBM250 collator booklet maker, MBO B118 w/ right angle, Challenge 305 programmable, small format laminators, Rollem Auto 4. I feel like we are pretty well equipped and haven't bought any equipment in at least a year and a half. Which killed me on income tax last year. Ah well. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From John at mpcny.com Mon Jun 4 18:20:39 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Mon Jun 4 18:20:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Hamada B452 and Python CTP Message-ID: <000001c7a6f6$96bfb420$c43f1c60$@com> IN my view buying any Hamada is a very poor choice. I have talked with many owners and you find they cost far more to keep running are down much more often. Add in that they get about 50% less in resale than a Ryobi or Hberg. I cannot think of a worse investment press wise. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for First, Second and Standard Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22 AM From nt at andrewsblueprint.com Mon Jun 4 18:43:57 2007 From: nt at andrewsblueprint.com (Nancy Thomsen) Date: Mon Jun 4 18:44:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Business is up In-Reply-To: References: <421692.31207.qm@web38903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00c401c7a6cc$b184ad30$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <012701c7a6e5$ada7ded0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20070604152349.02b97160@mail.andrewsblueprint.com> I found a different way to increase sales. In January I hired a graphic designer I have been working with for several years. She had her own business which is now our business and she has many contacts in the area. Last week the local newspaper (her previous employer) sent her a long list of sheet fed items they are no longer going to produce in-house and need pricing. Hundreds of thousands of envelopes. Flyers - 12-15 thousand at a time. They didn't ask anyone else for pricing. One of our biggest local events is our Rodeo. Last January we both joined the marketing committee. We are designing and printing the program. This will be our largest single order... ever. We also are designing and printing tons of other items. The Marketing Director is new this year and we stepped in to help her out. Next month will probably be our largest sales month ever. I also started posting a monthly sales goal. This is not a new idea, but I finally have the right group of people to really make this work. At the beginning of the month I post our big monthly goal and the sales from the same month last year. We must do better than last year... no matter what. I update it once a week until the end, then it daily or sometimes twice daily. We have made our big goal twice and just covered last year the other month. Nancy Nancy Thomsen Andrews Blueprint, Inc. 269 Griffin St. Salinas, CA 93901 831-424-0331 Fax 831-424-7485 Fax www.andrewsblueprint.com From sos at olympus.net Mon Jun 4 19:47:35 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Jun 4 19:49:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Business is up References: <421692.31207.qm@web38903.mail.mud.yahoo.com><00c401c7a6cc$b184ad30$0300a8c0@DANIEL><012701c7a6e5$ada7ded0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <6.2.3.4.2.20070604152349.02b97160@mail.andrewsblueprint.com> Message-ID: <017801c7a702$ba6cbc90$0300a8c0@DANIEL> > I found a different way to increase sales. . Hundreds of thousands of > envelopes. Flyers - > 12-15 thousand at a time. They didn't ask anyone else for pricing. > > One of our biggest local events is our Rodeo. Last January we both joined > the marketing committee. We are designing and printing the program. This > will be our largest single order... ever. We also are designing and > printing tons of other items. ================== Maybe I'm confused, but first, Good for you Nancy! All that new business sound great. But aren't you the one who was getting rid of your presses? How are you going to produce all that. You can't run hundreds of thousands of envelopes on your copiers? Are you able to job out all of that. Care to elaborate at bit? Thanks, Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From acepm2 at gmail.com Tue Jun 5 05:29:29 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Tue Jun 5 05:29:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Business is up In-Reply-To: <012701c7a6e5$ada7ded0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <421692.31207.qm@web38903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00c401c7a6cc$b184ad30$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <012701c7a6e5$ada7ded0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: Dan, I'm going to offer YOU something that I have never offered ANYONE ELSE on this list....so keep this between us. Should you need to spend some of that "additional income" on equipment, please let me know. Myself, Dennis Trump, John Henry, Brian O'Day, Jace,.... we'll meet with you in Chicago and help you walk the floor looking for equipment. Now, we don't expect to be compensated, per se, however lunch on the show floor would be nice. I believe I can speak for these individuals when I say that we are self professed EXPERTS at buying equipment and spending money. I also believe, at this moment, that Dennis is ahead of all of us with his last acquisition! Now I believe that we should set a NEW RULE...... No more sending in tax payments to Uncle Sam. All PONG members are hereinafter required to either purchase equipment or spend it on themselves and their family. ca piece? Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On 6/4/07, Dan Huntingford wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thom Gulyas" > > You don't say what type of equipment mix you have, but you are obviously > > heading in the right direction. > ================== > > 1 & 2 color Quickmasters, 4 color GTO, DPX platesetter, Epson 7600 (24"), > Xerox Docucolor 240/Creo, Xerox 4110, Xerox 7665, Ricoh W840 (36" wide > blue > print style) comb, spiral, wireo binding, Duplo 10000 2 tower, DBM250 > collator booklet maker, MBO B118 w/ right angle, Challenge 305 > programmable, > small format laminators, Rollem Auto 4. > > I feel like we are pretty well equipped and haven't bought any equipment > in > at least a year and a half. Which killed me on income tax last year. Ah > well. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From eric at prioritypress.com Tue Jun 5 08:51:36 2007 From: eric at prioritypress.com (Eric Mance) Date: Tue Jun 5 08:51:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Doc 240/250?? Message-ID: <20070605125106.2074D8ACE4C@rb.enter.net> Hi, I'd like to know your monthly volume on these machines. I'm trying to determine at what point I need to look at a larger production machine. It's rated at 10,000 to 40,000 per month. Thanks, Eric Mance Priority Press (413)525-6111 www.prioritypress.com From keli at parchmentpress.net Tue Jun 5 09:31:45 2007 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Tue Jun 5 09:31:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Doc 240/250?? In-Reply-To: <20070605125106.2074D8ACE4C@rb.enter.net> References: <20070605125106.2074D8ACE4C@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <466565C1.1090409@parchmentpress.net> When I was figuring things out the break even amount for color copies was 23,000 clicks a month After that we would save if we got a 240. We chose to keep our doc 12 for sensitive RIP jobs and go for the Xerox Workcentre 7655. We have had it since October of 2006 and have over 700,000 clicks on it about 25% color clicks. WE are happy with it! Usually the Xerox salesman have pricing tolls to help figure out volume vs cost. THEN GO OVER the figures *CAREFULLY*! thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Parchment Press is a Cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes Communities - To learn more about our community and what we are all about - please feel free to email me off list or visit our website at : http://www.twelvetribes.com Eric Mance wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Hi, > > I'd like to know your monthly volume on these machines. I'm trying to > determine at what point I need to look at a larger production machine. It's > rated at 10,000 to 40,000 per month. > > Thanks, > > Eric Mance > Priority Press > (413)525-6111 > www.prioritypress.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From robin at protypeonline.com Tue Jun 5 10:04:44 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Tue Jun 5 10:03:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mac Quicktime Help Message-ID: thanks Eric....I just knew someone would know what I was talking about and have some useful suggestions! :) robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From si at ria.net Tue Jun 5 11:32:50 2007 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Tue Jun 5 11:35:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New High Speed Printer Technology Message-ID: <20070605083530.DF29ABAC@pop15.mta.everyone.net> Interesting article on a high speed printer being developed in Israel. Uses a new rendition of ink jet technology to potentially output 1000 pages per minute. http://xrl.us/qpa/1000ppm.htm -- Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Tue Jun 5 12:06:49 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Tue Jun 5 12:08:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Hamada B452 and Python CTP In-Reply-To: <20070605160003.30ECA8AD9E7@rb.enter.net> References: <20070605160003.30ECA8AD9E7@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <6e6ca02cfeedca7b0b17e3aa7eb8951d@sheergraphics.com> Ask or email John Stewart, privately and quietly please , about his Hamada experience. > IN my view buying any Hamada is a very poor choice. I have talked with > many > owners and you find they cost far more to keep running are down much > more > often. > > Add in that they get about 50% less in resale than a Ryobi or Hberg. > > I cannot think of a worse investment press wise. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From ep101 at technaprint.com Tue Jun 5 12:26:19 2007 From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson) Date: Tue Jun 5 12:26:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New High Speed Printer Technology In-Reply-To: <20070605083530.DF29ABAC@pop15.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: > > http://xrl.us/qpa/1000ppm.htm > Doug, Check this out: http://www.agfa.com/en/gs/solutions/digital_document_printing/index.jsp Perhaps Agfa has already adopted this technology or something like it... Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com From doug at vipprinting.com Tue Jun 5 12:29:15 2007 From: doug at vipprinting.com (Douglas W. Rinnert) Date: Tue Jun 5 12:34:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Hamada B452 and Python CTP In-Reply-To: <6e6ca02cfeedca7b0b17e3aa7eb8951d@sheergraphics.com> References: <20070605160003.30ECA8AD9E7@rb.enter.net> <6e6ca02cfeedca7b0b17e3aa7eb8951d@sheergraphics.com> Message-ID: Whatever John Stewart will say about purchasing a Hamada press I'll second --- well somewhat quieter, but not much. Never, never, never would I consider a Hamada press again. Finally was able to get rid of that tank, switched to Ryobi's and never have looked back. Doug Rinnert V.I.P. Printing & Design 9862 Crescent Park Drive West Chester, Ohio 45069 513.777.7468 office 513.777.7459 fax -- Doug Rinnert V.I.P. Printing & Design 9862 Crescent Park Drive West Chester, Ohio 45069 513.777.7468 office 513.777.7459 fax 513.623.6907 cell From nt at andrewsblueprint.com Tue Jun 5 13:13:05 2007 From: nt at andrewsblueprint.com (Nancy Thomsen) Date: Tue Jun 5 13:13:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Business is up In-Reply-To: <017801c7a702$ba6cbc90$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <421692.31207.qm@web38903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00c401c7a6cc$b184ad30$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <012701c7a6e5$ada7ded0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <6.2.3.4.2.20070604152349.02b97160@mail.andrewsblueprint.com> <017801c7a702$ba6cbc90$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20070605090425.02b9c608@mail.andrewsblueprint.com> At 04:47 PM 6/4/2007, Dan wrote: >================== > >Maybe I'm confused, but first, Good for you Nancy! All that new >business sound great. >But aren't you the one who was getting rid of your presses? How are >you going to produce all that. You can't run hundreds of thousands >of envelopes on your copiers? >Are you able to job out all of that. Yes, I have no presses. But I wouldn't run 25,000 envelopes on an AB Dick anyway. I'm out-sourcing envelopes and letterhead. The printed envelopes are about $20.00/ M - not much more than my cost of blank envelopes. Through attrition, I am way down on employees therefore my payroll is down, too. The C6500 is supposed to deliver today. We have been waiting over 2 months. I have become a print broker. It will be nice to be able to produce our own work again. Nancy Nancy Thomsen Andrews Blueprint, Inc. 269 Griffin St. Salinas, CA 93901 831-424-0331 Fax 831-424-7485 Fax www.andrewsblueprint.com From sos at olympus.net Tue Jun 5 13:57:10 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Jun 5 13:58:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Business is up References: <421692.31207.qm@web38903.mail.mud.yahoo.com><00c401c7a6cc$b184ad30$0300a8c0@DANIEL><012701c7a6e5$ada7ded0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <00b901c7a79a$f0a9cad0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thom Gulyas" > I'm going to offer YOU something that I have never offered ANYONE ELSE on > this list....so keep this between us. > Should you need to spend some of that "additional income" on equipment, > please let me know. =================== OK Thom. Hushhh, mums the word. But you know, as I alluded to in my earlier post, I've never had any trouble spending money on equipment up until this last year and a half. I think I still remember how. And I didn't mean to imply that paying taxes is a bad thing. Oh no, it's a high privilege. I was just surprised at how much I owed last year without any big purchases to write off. Oh by the way, I got the new boat in the water last weekend, zoomed across the bay, but I couldn't find a way to write it off on the business. In theory, I could commute to work via sea and beach it right outside the shop. I'll have to check with the IRS about how much per nautical mile you can write off. I do some work for a couple resorts that I could deliver to. Not today though, we've got San Diego June weather today, cool and rainy. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From brianoday at eprint.us Tue Jun 5 14:29:06 2007 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Tue Jun 5 14:29:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Business is up In-Reply-To: <00b901c7a79a$f0a9cad0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <421692.31207.qm@web38903.mail.mud.yahoo.com><00c401c7a6cc$b184ad30$0300a8c0@DANIEL><012701c7a6e5$ada7ded0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <00b901c7a79a$f0a9cad0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <001a01c7a79f$670073b0$6e01a8c0@Brian> I once new a guy that had a 37' press or so he told the IRS. Why does buying equipment mean so much lower taxes. I have always taken the deduction over the life of the equipment (on larger equip). I know you can accelerate your write-offs but then you are subject to very large swings in depreciation write-offs. I have been writing off 50,000 to 100,000 per year for the last twenty years. Doing it that way I sure have accumulated a lot of crap there could even be a %^&(* in there someplace. I will be buying this year just haven't made up my list yet. We just purchased the new cannon ink jet printer 12 color 42" and it is awesome I might now get the laminator and get into this business seriously. Brian O'Day ePrint Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:57 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Business is up ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thom Gulyas" > I'm going to offer YOU something that I have never offered ANYONE ELSE on > this list....so keep this between us. > Should you need to spend some of that "additional income" on equipment, > please let me know. =================== OK Thom. Hushhh, mums the word. But you know, as I alluded to in my earlier post, I've never had any trouble spending money on equipment up until this last year and a half. I think I still remember how. And I didn't mean to imply that paying taxes is a bad thing. Oh no, it's a high privilege. I was just surprised at how much I owed last year without any big purchases to write off. Oh by the way, I got the new boat in the water last weekend, zoomed across the bay, but I couldn't find a way to write it off on the business. In theory, I could commute to work via sea and beach it right outside the shop. I'll have to check with the IRS about how much per nautical mile you can write off. I do some work for a couple resorts that I could deliver to. Not today though, we've got San Diego June weather today, cool and rainy. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From thom at acepm.com Tue Jun 5 14:54:23 2007 From: thom at acepm.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Tue Jun 5 14:55:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Business is up In-Reply-To: <001a01c7a79f$670073b0$6e01a8c0@Brian> References: <421692.31207.qm@web38903.mail.mud.yahoo.com><00c401c7a6cc$b184ad30$0300a8c0@DANIEL><012701c7a6e5$ada7ded0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <00b901c7a79a$f0a9cad0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <001a01c7a79f$670073b0$6e01a8c0@Brian> Message-ID: <015f01c7a7a2$ef395140$cdabf3c0$@com> Brian, I would like to hear more about that printer you purchased. We're in the process of looking at wide format and I *thought* that HP was the way to go. Would you mind sharing some info. about your purchase and perhaps a link or two about the equipment where I can go see it? I need to start getting information about all of this put together. Thank you!!! Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing 10 South Main Street Berlin, Maryland? 21811-1427 410-641-3636 / FAX 410-641-1167 Web Page: www.ACEPM.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider and a Microsoft Publisher Service Provider. We offer mailing services for First, Second and Standard class mailings. We handle everything from concept...to printing...to mailing! Ask us how we can SAVE YOU MONEY!!! -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Brian O'Day Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 2:29 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Business is up ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I once new a guy that had a 37' press or so he told the IRS. Why does buying equipment mean so much lower taxes. I have always taken the deduction over the life of the equipment (on larger equip). I know you can accelerate your write-offs but then you are subject to very large swings in depreciation write-offs. I have been writing off 50,000 to 100,000 per year for the last twenty years. Doing it that way I sure have accumulated a lot of crap there could even be a %^&(* in there someplace. I will be buying this year just haven't made up my list yet. We just purchased the new cannon ink jet printer 12 color 42" and it is awesome I might now get the laminator and get into this business seriously. Brian O'Day ePrint Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:57 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Business is up ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thom Gulyas" > I'm going to offer YOU something that I have never offered ANYONE ELSE on > this list....so keep this between us. > Should you need to spend some of that "additional income" on equipment, > please let me know. =================== OK Thom. Hushhh, mums the word. But you know, as I alluded to in my earlier post, I've never had any trouble spending money on equipment up until this last year and a half. I think I still remember how. And I didn't mean to imply that paying taxes is a bad thing. Oh no, it's a high privilege. I was just surprised at how much I owed last year without any big purchases to write off. Oh by the way, I got the new boat in the water last weekend, zoomed across the bay, but I couldn't find a way to write it off on the business. In theory, I could commute to work via sea and beach it right outside the shop. I'll have to check with the IRS about how much per nautical mile you can write off. I do some work for a couple resorts that I could deliver to. Not today though, we've got San Diego June weather today, cool and rainy. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Tue Jun 5 15:00:13 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Jun 5 15:01:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Business is up References: <421692.31207.qm@web38903.mail.mud.yahoo.com><00c401c7a6cc$b184ad30$0300a8c0@DANIEL><012701c7a6e5$ada7ded0$0300a8c0@DANIEL><00b901c7a79a$f0a9cad0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <001a01c7a79f$670073b0$6e01a8c0@Brian> Message-ID: <00dc01c7a7a3$bf7d0d60$0300a8c0@DANIEL> I'm certainly no accountant, but the past few years the write off rules have changed allowing you to write off up to $100,000 right off the bat. I paid cash for the collator, folder, cutter in the past 3-4 years and wrote them off in that year. The 4 color press is financed and we are depreciating it over how ever many years is allowed, seven, ten maybe. But with a spike in profitability last year, and no major purchase of equipment, the double whammy was very surprising. Also the local bank I owned stock in was sold to a larger regional bank and I was forced to liquidate that stock. So it was a tripple whammy. Plus my wife got a promotion. Quad whammy. What ever happened to the averaging income over a few years to equalize the tax bill a bit? This getting whammied business is the pits. My accountant is retiring so I'll be looking for a new one. Maybe a more aggressive one. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From rshutson at yahoo.com Tue Jun 5 15:08:23 2007 From: rshutson at yahoo.com (Roger Hutson) Date: Tue Jun 5 15:08:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:Hamada B452 and Python CTP Message-ID: <585954.70672.qm@web53710.mail.re2.yahoo.com> We bought a new Hamada C248 12 years ago and it still runs like new, and after running a Ryobi 3302 for 5 years I can say it is a better built machine. In 12 years I have had about 4 service calls and 2 of those were just PM and I had the guy set all the rollers after I put new ones in I wanted to make sure they were right. It has no registration problems like the 3302 had with the push guide and tail whip. The most expensive thing I have replaced was the circulation pump in the water recurculation unit which is not even on the press. I printed some real nice looking jobs on the Ryobi it just took alot more effort. I wonder how the Digital Heidelbergs are doing for folks? I see a lot of almost new ones selling real cheap. Roger at JOEMC in Jacksonville, NC --------------------------------- Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. From jeff at hprinting.biz Tue Jun 5 15:16:16 2007 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Tue Jun 5 15:16:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Business is up In-Reply-To: <00dc01c7a7a3$bf7d0d60$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <421692.31207.qm@web38903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00c401c7a6cc$b184ad30$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <012701c7a6e5$ada7ded0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <00b901c7a79a$f0a9cad0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <001a01c7a79f$670073b0$6e01a8c0@Brian> <00dc01c7a7a3$bf7d0d60$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <20070605191609.18778.12846@hm-pop1.solinus.com> At 03:00 PM 6/5/2007, you wrote: >I'm certainly no accountant, but the past few >years the write off rules have changed allowing >you to write off up to $100,000 right off the >bat. I paid cash for the collator, folder, >cutter in the past 3-4 years and wrote them off >in that year. The 4 color press is financed and >we are depreciating it over how ever many years >is allowed, seven, ten maybe. But with a spike >in profitability last year, and no major >purchase of equipment, the double whammy was very surprising. I don't understand. This morning you were happy how business is up and so are profits. Now you complaining because you have to pay more in taxes. Maybe you would be better off turning down some jobs so your profits drop then you won't have to pay as much tax. I'm glad to pay more tax when profits go up. Even though taxes are higher there is still more left for me. It doesn't seem to make much sense either to go out and spend $50,000 for equipment you really don't need just so you can write it off. Spend $50,000 to save $15,000? Now if the business really needs the equipment that is a different story. Then you get the equipment, sales go up, profits go up and you back to paying more taxes. Seems like a catch 22. If you didn't buy equipment and you profits went up then your bank account (or other assets) must be looking better or you debt must be down so why complain? I guess if your profit margin isn't high enough it might take a while for the bank account to catch up since part of the increase in income goes to fund accounts receivables. I guess the other solution is send the money my way and call it consulting which you can write off as a business expense :) Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From k_graham at hotmail.com Tue Jun 5 15:32:59 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Tue Jun 5 15:33:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New High Speed Printer Technology References: <20070605083530.DF29ABAC@pop15.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Interesting article on a high speed printer being developed > in Israel. Uses a new rendition of ink jet technology to > potentially output 1000 pages per minute. > > http://xrl.us/qpa/1000ppm.htm > I guess but I'm more concerned with the Australian technology that may see 60 pages minute in your home for $200.00 in 2 years time. Hope you have your Color copier paid for http://www.memjet.com/pages.aspx?id=technology Better to be a publisher than a printer. At least the buildings we've bought may be worth something. Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika From chris at illinoisprintingservices.com Tue Jun 5 15:46:26 2007 From: chris at illinoisprintingservices.com (Chris) Date: Tue Jun 5 15:46:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New High Speed Printer Technology References: <20070605083530.DF29ABAC@pop15.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <001701c7a7aa$34ccbba0$6400a8c0@ipsmachine> Is that memjet video real? Looks fake to me. No gripper margin? Full bleed Chris Eckel Vice President Illinois Printing Services, Inc. P. O. Box 106 Sullivan, Illinois 61951 217.728.2786 FAX 728.2998 Cell 412-5051 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] New High Speed Printer Technology > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Interesting article on a high speed printer being developed >> in Israel. Uses a new rendition of ink jet technology to >> potentially output 1000 pages per minute. >> >> http://xrl.us/qpa/1000ppm.htm >> > I guess but I'm more concerned with the Australian technology that may see > 60 pages minute in your home for $200.00 in 2 years time. Hope you have > your Color copier paid for > > http://www.memjet.com/pages.aspx?id=technology > > Better to be a publisher than a printer. > > At least the buildings we've bought may be worth something. > > Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com > CommunityPrinters.com > 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC > V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 > Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From tufelkinder at gmail.com Tue Jun 5 15:53:29 2007 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Tue Jun 5 15:53:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New High Speed Printer Technology In-Reply-To: References: <20070605083530.DF29ABAC@pop15.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <84f70d5e0706051253h334a3f10va3514480c934c2bd@mail.gmail.com> On 6/5/07, k_graham@hotmail.com wrote: > I guess but I'm more concerned with the Australian technology that may see > 60 pages minute in your home for $200.00 in 2 years time. Hope you have your > Color copier paid for Why? They'll still be charging outrageous rates for the consumer inkjet cartridges and fancy paper. Plus, this type of product just helps the nickel-and- dime jobs go away on their own so we don't have to waste our time giving quotes to customers who gasp at the idea of spending more than $10 on color copies. Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA http://mercersburg.net 800-955-3902 -~ Only the mediocre are always at their best. -- Jean Giraudoux From k_graham at hotmail.com Tue Jun 5 16:06:13 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Tue Jun 5 16:06:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New High Speed Printer Technology References: <20070605083530.DF29ABAC@pop15.mta.everyone.net> <84f70d5e0706051253h334a3f10va3514480c934c2bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > On 6/5/07, k_graham@hotmail.com wrote: >> I guess but I'm more concerned with the Australian technology that may >> see >> 60 pages minute in your home for $200.00 in 2 years time. Hope you have >> your >> Color copier paid for > > Why? They'll still be charging outrageous rates for > the consumer inkjet cartridges and fancy paper. > > Plus, this type of product just helps the nickel-and- > dime jobs go away on their own so we don't have to > waste our time giving quotes to customers who gasp > at the idea of spending more than $10 on color copies. Wasn't that what Compugraphic said when the laser printer came out? Its the bottom end technology working up rather than the high end technology working down that you need to watch out for. Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika From huntleyw at bellsouth.net Tue Jun 5 17:10:29 2007 From: huntleyw at bellsouth.net (Bill Huntley) Date: Tue Jun 5 16:09:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New High Speed Printer Technology References: <20070605083530.DF29ABAC@pop15.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <003101c7a7b5$f364d7e0$17e40641@bills4drj3ddzy> >From the article referenced below, this statement was made: Current top of the range printers used to print bank statements and utility bills are able to print over a thousand pages a minute but the room-sized printers can cost over $100,000 a piece. I ask: What printers are these? Who makes them? Bill Huntley Universal Copies Columbia, SC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Shelton" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:32 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] New High Speed Printer Technology > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Interesting article on a high speed printer being developed > in Israel. Uses a new rendition of ink jet technology to > potentially output 1000 pages per minute. > > http://xrl.us/qpa/1000ppm.htm > > -- > Doug Shelton > Superior Impressions, Inc. > Toledo, Ohio > mailto:si@ria.net > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From brianoday at eprint.us Tue Jun 5 16:23:55 2007 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Tue Jun 5 16:24:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] CANNON IFP8000 In-Reply-To: <015f01c7a7a2$ef395140$cdabf3c0$@com> References: <421692.31207.qm@web38903.mail.mud.yahoo.com><00c401c7a6cc$b184ad30$0300a8c0@DANIEL><012701c7a6e5$ada7ded0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <00b901c7a79a$f0a9cad0$0300a8c0@DANIEL><001a01c7a79f$670073b0$6e01a8c0@Brian> <015f01c7a7a2$ef395140$cdabf3c0$@com> Message-ID: <002701c7a7af$70f135c0$6e01a8c0@Brian> Tom The link for some info is http://www.sourcegraphics.com/largeformat/canon/ipf8000.html The reason I started looking at this printer is the speed and they had a reasonably priced proofing driver for our DPX ($1500). I have an x employee who now installs equipment and he raved about it. We had it installed two weeks ago and I am startled at the quality and ease of use, self cleaning, self calibrating and t easy to use. One of the better parts was the price $5500 with everything including extra supplies and ink. They say it even prints very well on canvas but we haven't had a chance to try that yet. Beats our Epson and I was very glad when they took the encad as a trade! (That was one of my worst purchases!) Did I mention that my Cannon 3200 tech installed it and will be around for tech support should I want to buy him lunch. Brian O'Day ePrint Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Thom Gulyas Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 11:54 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Business is up ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Brian, I would like to hear more about that printer you purchased. We're in the process of looking at wide format and I *thought* that HP was the way to go. Would you mind sharing some info. about your purchase and perhaps a link or two about the equipment where I can go see it? I need to start getting information about all of this put together. Thank you!!! Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing 10 South Main Street Berlin, Maryland? 21811-1427 410-641-3636 / FAX 410-641-1167 Web Page: www.ACEPM.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider and a Microsoft Publisher Service Provider. We offer mailing services for First, Second and Standard class mailings. We handle everything from concept...to printing...to mailing! Ask us how we can SAVE YOU MONEY!!! -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Brian O'Day Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 2:29 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Business is up ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I once new a guy that had a 37' press or so he told the IRS. Why does buying equipment mean so much lower taxes. I have always taken the deduction over the life of the equipment (on larger equip). I know you can accelerate your write-offs but then you are subject to very large swings in depreciation write-offs. I have been writing off 50,000 to 100,000 per year for the last twenty years. Doing it that way I sure have accumulated a lot of crap there could even be a %^&(* in there someplace. I will be buying this year just haven't made up my list yet. We just purchased the new cannon ink jet printer 12 color 42" and it is awesome I might now get the laminator and get into this business seriously. Brian O'Day ePrint Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:57 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Business is up ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thom Gulyas" > I'm going to offer YOU something that I have never offered ANYONE ELSE on > this list....so keep this between us. > Should you need to spend some of that "additional income" on equipment, > please let me know. =================== OK Thom. Hushhh, mums the word. But you know, as I alluded to in my earlier post, I've never had any trouble spending money on equipment up until this last year and a half. I think I still remember how. And I didn't mean to imply that paying taxes is a bad thing. Oh no, it's a high privilege. I was just surprised at how much I owed last year without any big purchases to write off. Oh by the way, I got the new boat in the water last weekend, zoomed across the bay, but I couldn't find a way to write it off on the business. In theory, I could commute to work via sea and beach it right outside the shop. I'll have to check with the IRS about how much per nautical mile you can write off. I do some work for a couple resorts that I could deliver to. Not today though, we've got San Diego June weather today, cool and rainy. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Tue Jun 5 16:38:57 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Jun 5 16:40:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Business is up References: <421692.31207.qm@web38903.mail.mud.yahoo.com><00c401c7a6cc$b184ad30$0300a8c0@DANIEL><012701c7a6e5$ada7ded0$0300a8c0@DANIEL><00b901c7a79a$f0a9cad0$0300a8c0@DANIEL><001a01c7a79f$670073b0$6e01a8c0@Brian><00dc01c7a7a3$bf7d0d60$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <20070605191609.18778.12846@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Message-ID: <013a01c7a7b1$8a5fc290$0300a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Haines" >> the double whammy was very surprising. >I don't understand. This morning you were happy how business is up and so >are profits. Now you complaining because you have to pay more in taxes. ================= I was NOT complaining! I just said I was surprised. It was sort of a perfect storm that caught up with me last year. Ok maybe I was complaining a little bit. You make very good points in the rest of your post, but don't hold your breath about the consulting fees. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From slb at inkspot.net Tue Jun 5 17:22:38 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Jun 5 17:22:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New High Speed Printer Technology In-Reply-To: <20070605083530.DF29ABAC@pop15.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <46659BDE.22055.5CAEBFC@slb.inkspot.net> Interesting, yes. It remains to be seen whether it's practical. Putting the ink on the paper is only half the battle--you still have to get the paper to feed through the machine that fast. At that speed, the paper would have to be moving about as fast as it does through a current-technology fourdrinier machine. Two obvious hurdles (in addition to refining the printhead) are the mechanism for the fast start/stop (so the paper is stationary for the printing) and the tendency for a stream of rapidly-moving paper to turn into a Van de Graaff generator. In short, it's interesting, but I don't think we ought to be replacing our printing presses just yet... Steve > > Interesting article on a high speed printer being developed > in Israel. Uses a new rendition of ink jet technology to > potentially output 1000 pages per minute. > > http://xrl.us/qpa/1000ppm.htm > > -- > Doug Shelton > Superior Impressions, Inc. > Toledo, Ohio > mailto:si@ria.net > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2309 (20070605) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Jun 5 17:29:02 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Jun 5 17:29:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] CANNON IFP8000 In-Reply-To: <002701c7a7af$70f135c0$6e01a8c0@Brian> References: <421692.31207.qm@web38903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00c401c7a6cc$b184ad30$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <012701c7a6e5$ada7ded0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <00b901c7a79a$f0a9cad0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <001a01c7a79f$670073b0$6e01a8c0@Brian> <015f01c7a7a2$ef395140$cdabf3c0$@com> <002701c7a7af$70f135c0$6e01a8c0@Brian> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0706051429h5d11bf58k14d017a5c4309c76@mail.gmail.com> On 6/5/07, Brian O'Day wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > One of the better parts was the price > $5500 with everything including extra supplies and ink. Beware: check the supply and inkhead costs on this and other Canon large format printers. I could be wrong, and I don't know this specific model, but when I compared a similar Canon offering about two years ago, what seemed to be comparable specs at a much lower price than the HP5500 had supply costs that were significantly greater, and I went for the HP with no regrets. > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~ Lord Bacon From slb at inkspot.net Tue Jun 5 17:30:57 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Jun 5 17:31:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE:Hamada B452 and Python CTP In-Reply-To: <585954.70672.qm@web53710.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46659DD1.25804.5D28BB2@slb.inkspot.net> They seem to work for some, but bear in mind that a fairer comparison would be the 3302 against the Hamada portrait press, or the C248 against the Ryobi landscape press. Steve > > We bought a new Hamada C248 12 years ago and it still runs like new, > and after running a Ryobi 3302 for 5 years I can say it is a better > built machine. In 12 years I have had about 4 service calls and 2 of > those were just PM and I had the guy set all the rollers after I put > new ones in I wanted to make sure they were right. It has no > registration problems like the 3302 had with the push guide and tail > whip. The most expensive thing I have replaced was the circulation > pump in the water recurculation unit which is not even on the press. I > printed some real nice looking jobs on the Ryobi it just took alot > more effort. I wonder how the Digital Heidelbergs are doing for folks? > I see a lot of almost new ones selling real cheap. Roger at JOEMC in > Jacksonville, NC > > > --------------------------------- > Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2310 (20070605) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From brianoday at eprint.us Tue Jun 5 19:32:39 2007 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Tue Jun 5 19:32:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] CANNON IFP8000 In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0706051429h5d11bf58k14d017a5c4309c76@mail.gmail.com> References: <421692.31207.qm@web38903.mail.mud.yahoo.com><00c401c7a6cc$b184ad30$0300a8c0@DANIEL><012701c7a6e5$ada7ded0$0300a8c0@DANIEL><00b901c7a79a$f0a9cad0$0300a8c0@DANIEL><001a01c7a79f$670073b0$6e01a8c0@Brian><015f01c7a7a2$ef395140$cdabf3c0$@com><002701c7a7af$70f135c0$6e01a8c0@Brian> <98f5b19a0706051429h5d11bf58k14d017a5c4309c76@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004801c7a7c9$cf042950$6e01a8c0@Brian> This is a new printer design. The supply and print head costs are in line. It uses large tanks and the print heads are user replaceable. Brian O'Day ePrint Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 2:29 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] CANNON IFP8000 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On 6/5/07, Brian O'Day wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > One of the better parts was the price > $5500 with everything including extra supplies and ink. Beware: check the supply and inkhead costs on this and other Canon large format printers. I could be wrong, and I don't know this specific model, but when I compared a similar Canon offering about two years ago, what seemed to be comparable specs at a much lower price than the HP5500 had supply costs that were significantly greater, and I went for the HP with no regrets. > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~ Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From si at ria.net Tue Jun 5 20:06:12 2007 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Tue Jun 5 20:08:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New High Speed Printer Technology In-Reply-To: References: <20070605083530.DF29ABAC@pop15.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <20070605170823.DF29BC6A@pop15.mta.everyone.net> At 12:26 PM 6/5/2007, Eric Pearson wrote: >Check this out: > >http://www.agfa.com/en/gs/solutions/digital_document_printing/index.jsp > >Perhaps Agfa has already adopted this technology or something like it... Agfa and IBM and possibly others have a similar, albeit different approach than the Jetrix machine . They all have a static print head, as opposed to the traveling print head that is common to most ink jet printers. Ink is applied across the full width of the sheet immediately. This allows for a significant increase in speed versus an ink head that has to scan back and forth across the sheet. Jetrix differs somewhat from the Afga technology, as I understand it: -- Quoting the referenced article... "The technology combines printing and Liquid Crystal Technology (LCD) methods to make a page-sized printing array that emits ink instead of light." -- The printhead matrix encompasses the entire page (and is theoretically expandable to any page size within the limits of the printer.) In effect, it gathers the data, and has the mechanical capability to print the entire page at once, rather than line by line or segment by segment. Could be a flash in the pan, but probably worth watching. Doug -- Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From si at ria.net Tue Jun 5 20:28:57 2007 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Tue Jun 5 20:31:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New High Speed Printer Technology In-Reply-To: <46659BDE.22055.5CAEBFC@slb.inkspot.net> References: <20070605083530.DF29ABAC@pop15.mta.everyone.net> <46659BDE.22055.5CAEBFC@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <20070605173107.DF29BFE0@pop15.mta.everyone.net> At 05:22 PM 6/5/2007, Steve Blatman wrote: >Interesting, yes. It remains to be seen whether it's practical. >Putting the ink on the paper is only half the battle--you still have >to get the paper to feed through the machine that fast. At that >speed, the paper would have to be moving about as fast as it does >through a current-technology fourdrinier machine. Typically, these high speed printers are roll fed, not sheet fed. Issues should not be much different than high speed web presses, should they, Steve? (BTW, I have a great deal of respect for Steve's engineering background.) >Two obvious hurdles (in addition to refining the printhead) are >the mechanism for the fast start/stop (so the paper is stationary >for the printing) Start/stop is necessary when the ink head scans back and forth across the sheet. I'm not sure it is necessary when the print head is blowing ink across the entire width of the sheet at once. >and the tendency for a stream of rapidly-moving paper to turn >into a Van de Graaff generator. Seems like that would be likely, but apparently the issue has been solved. The AGFA machine Eric Pearson referenced runs at close to 500 sheets per minute full color, presumably with minimal static electricity problems. >In short, it's interesting, but I don't think we ought to be >replacing our printing presses just yet... I second that, Steve. But keep tuned. Doug -- Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From braddpotter at juno.com Wed Jun 6 01:54:38 2007 From: braddpotter at juno.com (Brad D Potter) Date: Wed Jun 6 01:56:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon 44" wide printer Message-ID: <20070605.225440.3120.1.braddpotter@juno.com> Brian mentioned it, then Thom asked about it. I am pretty sure this is the one we have . we paid 5300.00 from Ikon it is SCHWEET! http://www.imagingspectrum.com/Canon-iPF8000-Printer-44-Inch-1692B002AA-p r-2014.html brad Printing Services www.myprintsource.net 3480 SE Bethel Road Port Orchard, Washington 98366 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax From oren66 at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 6 11:48:22 2007 From: oren66 at sbcglobal.net (Arie Teomi) Date: Wed Jun 6 11:48:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing - Keeping Records In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0706051429h5d11bf58k14d017a5c4309c76@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <182840.96888.qm@web83408.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Does anybody know How long do you have to keep Mailing records Postage Statement etc. of mail that you do for customers. We are moving and want to get rid of some junk. Thanks Arie Arie Teomi MINUTEMAN PRESS 24000 Mercantile Rd. #16 Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.minutemancleveland.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner From gamble at choiceonemail.com Wed Jun 6 12:01:52 2007 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Wed Jun 6 12:01:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing - Keeping Records In-Reply-To: <182840.96888.qm@web83408.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <98f5b19a0706051429h5d11bf58k14d017a5c4309c76@mail.gmail.com> <182840.96888.qm@web83408.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <019201c7a854$00c358f0$0301a8c0@RICK> Arie, Not sure I was ever told nor looked up how long to hold postal statements. Though I do know that for Peridocals you/your customer can be a Audited for up to 18 months after a mailing is done. What we do is include with job file a copy of postal statement and discard job files after 5 years. HTH Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. Buffalo, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716)-662-5917 - fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Arie Teomi Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 11:48 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing - Keeping Records ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Does anybody know How long do you have to keep Mailing records Postage Statement etc. of mail that you do for customers. We are moving and want to get rid of some junk. Thanks Arie Arie Teomi MINUTEMAN PRESS 24000 Mercantile Rd. #16 Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.minutemancleveland.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From rstor at copycats.com Wed Jun 6 12:12:45 2007 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Wed Jun 6 12:14:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos Message-ID: <4666DCFD.50007@copycats.com> Adobe Links Acrobat, Reader To FedEx Kinko's Stores Starting Wednesday, users of Adobe Systems Inc.'s Adobe Acrobat and Reader software will be able to press a toolbar button to have their PDF files printed at any of FedEx Corp.'s Kinko's shops in the U.S. and have FedEx deliver the documents worldwide. The automatic connection is to FedEx Kinko's online services, which began operating last fall. Unlike the existing service, the new venture with Adobe is restricted to printing in the U.S. for now, but documents used to access the service will be uploaded automatically. Adobe said its customers will gain convenience. FedEx Kinko's will gain a presence on about 80% of personal computers once users install the latest versions of Reader and Acrobat. Most U.S. computer manufacturers bundle Adobe's free software on personal computers. "This is the next logical step in our partnership with FedEx Kinko's," said Pam Deziel, a marketing director for Adobe. For jobs to be delivered over a long distance or to multiple distances, Ms. Deziel noted, printing near the delivery point is generally faster and less expensive than printing and then shipping. The companies declined to disclose the terms of their agreement, such as the division of revenue. Adobe users' use of the service will be tracked for revenue distribution, Ms. Deziel said. Executives with both companies also didn't give revenue projections for the partnership. "We do expect a good impact from this. You have to look at the conversion rate, but there are millions and millions of downloads of the new reader every year," said Gurmeet Singh, director of e-commerce marketing for FedEx Kinko's "It's one less click for the customer. We expect to see volumes climb up," Mr. Singh added. The venture isn't exclusive for either party, the companies said. They declined to say how long the initial deal is for. "I think both companies will be evaluating this and we will look at how things are after 12 months," said Mr. Singh. The partnership could be expanded globally, though there are technical issues that would have to be dealt with such as varying standards for paper size. For now, Adobe users can also choose just to pick up documents at one of Kinko's 1,600 U.S. locations. Registered users can store contact and billing information, and reprint previous orders. Since FedEx Kinko's launched its online services, more than 133,000 customers have become registered users of the tool, the company said. *Write to* Mark Golden at mark.golden@dowjones.com RELATED ARTICLES AND BLOGS From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Wed Jun 6 12:18:09 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Wed Jun 6 12:19:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing - Keeping Records In-Reply-To: <20070606160002.B90818B22DA@rb.enter.net> References: <20070606160002.B90818B22DA@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: One year for USPS. Your lawyer might want longer! We keep packing slips about 9 months, which is plenty of time for the customer to have paid the bill and his check to have cleared the bank. > Does anybody know How long do you have to keep Mailing > records Postage Statement etc. of mail that you do for > customers. > We are moving and want to get rid of some junk. > > Thanks > Arie Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From mail at myprinter.biz Wed Jun 6 12:51:03 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Wed Jun 6 12:50:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos In-Reply-To: <4666DCFD.50007@copycats.com> Message-ID: While Adobe's free to try to make money any way they wish to, they should also be in the business of keeping its customers happy. Every Abode user and service provider on this list (and on PONG) should tell Abode - in no uncertain terms - how very displeased they are the Abode has provided Kinko's with a competitive advantage. We'll certainly be doing that. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Robert Stor Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 12:13 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Adobe Links Acrobat, Reader To FedEx Kinko's Stores Starting Wednesday, users of Adobe Systems Inc.'s Adobe Acrobat and Reader software will be able to press a toolbar button to have their PDF files printed at any of FedEx Corp.'s Kinko's shops in the U.S. and have FedEx deliver the documents worldwide. The automatic connection is to FedEx Kinko's online services, which began operating last fall. Unlike the existing service, the new venture with Adobe is restricted to printing in the U.S. for now, but documents used to access the service will be uploaded automatically. Adobe said its customers will gain convenience. FedEx Kinko's will gain a presence on about 80% of personal computers once users install the latest versions of Reader and Acrobat. Most U.S. computer manufacturers bundle Adobe's free software on personal computers. "This is the next logical step in our partnership with FedEx Kinko's," said Pam Deziel, a marketing director for Adobe. For jobs to be delivered over a long distance or to multiple distances, Ms. Deziel noted, printing near the delivery point is generally faster and less expensive than printing and then shipping. The companies declined to disclose the terms of their agreement, such as the division of revenue. Adobe users' use of the service will be tracked for revenue distribution, Ms. Deziel said. Executives with both companies also didn't give revenue projections for the partnership. "We do expect a good impact from this. You have to look at the conversion rate, but there are millions and millions of downloads of the new reader every year," said Gurmeet Singh, director of e-commerce marketing for FedEx Kinko's "It's one less click for the customer. We expect to see volumes climb up," Mr. Singh added. The venture isn't exclusive for either party, the companies said. They declined to say how long the initial deal is for. "I think both companies will be evaluating this and we will look at how things are after 12 months," said Mr. Singh. The partnership could be expanded globally, though there are technical issues that would have to be dealt with such as varying standards for paper size. For now, Adobe users can also choose just to pick up documents at one of Kinko's 1,600 U.S. locations. Registered users can store contact and billing information, and reprint previous orders. Since FedEx Kinko's launched its online services, more than 133,000 customers have become registered users of the tool, the company said. *Write to* Mark Golden at mark.golden@dowjones.com RELATED ARTICLES AND BLOGS _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kathy at mpcny.com Wed Jun 6 13:22:06 2007 From: kathy at mpcny.com (Kathy Henry) Date: Wed Jun 6 13:30:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 22, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: <20070606160003.022F48B22DD@rb.enter.net> References: <20070606160003.022F48B22DD@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <008901c7a85f$356772c0$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> Arie: As our last experience with the mailing customer who tried to defraud us taught us, keep those statements a long time... You could scan them to a PDF and save them, as long as that stamp shows on the bottom! Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing kathy@mpcny.com 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) Does anybody know How long do you have to keep Mailing records Postage Statement etc. of mail that you do for customers. We are moving and want to get rid of some junk. Thanks Arie Arie Teomi MINUTEMAN PRESS 24000 Mercantile Rd. #16 Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.minutemancleveland.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners End of PrintOwners Digest, Vol 22, Issue 12 ******************************************* No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 6/5/2007 2:38 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 6/5/2007 2:38 PM From brianoday at eprint.us Wed Jun 6 13:38:40 2007 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Wed Jun 6 13:38:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos In-Reply-To: References: <4666DCFD.50007@copycats.com> Message-ID: <008701c7a861$85a2edd0$6e01a8c0@Brian> MY take on this is glad to hear Kinko's is providing this service! My customers know who I am, I do not print for just anyone with a computer. Kinko's can train them on bad service and if they like it they can stay if not I am across the street they can develop a relationship, pay more and get good printing. I am pretty sure Kinko's will not print without a visa # and try getting a refund or how can you be sure the kid in your destination city will have it ready when you are on your way from the airport to the conference, you only get one try. Kinko's is trying to be profitable I don't see this as the magic bullet. Brian O'Day ePrint Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:51 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Cc: PrintOwnersNG@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** While Adobe's free to try to make money any way they wish to, they should also be in the business of keeping its customers happy. Every Abode user and service provider on this list (and on PONG) should tell Abode - in no uncertain terms - how very displeased they are the Abode has provided Kinko's with a competitive advantage. We'll certainly be doing that. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Robert Stor Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 12:13 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Adobe Links Acrobat, Reader To FedEx Kinko's Stores Starting Wednesday, users of Adobe Systems Inc.'s Adobe Acrobat and Reader software will be able to press a toolbar button to have their PDF files printed at any of FedEx Corp.'s Kinko's shops in the U.S. and have FedEx deliver the documents worldwide. The automatic connection is to FedEx Kinko's online services, which began operating last fall. Unlike the existing service, the new venture with Adobe is restricted to printing in the U.S. for now, but documents used to access the service will be uploaded automatically. Adobe said its customers will gain convenience. FedEx Kinko's will gain a presence on about 80% of personal computers once users install the latest versions of Reader and Acrobat. Most U.S. computer manufacturers bundle Adobe's free software on personal computers. "This is the next logical step in our partnership with FedEx Kinko's," said Pam Deziel, a marketing director for Adobe. For jobs to be delivered over a long distance or to multiple distances, Ms. Deziel noted, printing near the delivery point is generally faster and less expensive than printing and then shipping. The companies declined to disclose the terms of their agreement, such as the division of revenue. Adobe users' use of the service will be tracked for revenue distribution, Ms. Deziel said. Executives with both companies also didn't give revenue projections for the partnership. "We do expect a good impact from this. You have to look at the conversion rate, but there are millions and millions of downloads of the new reader every year," said Gurmeet Singh, director of e-commerce marketing for FedEx Kinko's "It's one less click for the customer. We expect to see volumes climb up," Mr. Singh added. The venture isn't exclusive for either party, the companies said. They declined to say how long the initial deal is for. "I think both companies will be evaluating this and we will look at how things are after 12 months," said Mr. Singh. The partnership could be expanded globally, though there are technical issues that would have to be dealt with such as varying standards for paper size. For now, Adobe users can also choose just to pick up documents at one of Kinko's 1,600 U.S. locations. Registered users can store contact and billing information, and reprint previous orders. Since FedEx Kinko's launched its online services, more than 133,000 customers have become registered users of the tool, the company said. *Write to* Mark Golden at mark.golden@dowjones.com RELATED ARTICLES AND BLOGS _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mail at myprinter.biz Wed Jun 6 13:59:46 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Wed Jun 6 13:59:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos In-Reply-To: <008701c7a861$85a2edd0$6e01a8c0@Brian> Message-ID: Brian - I agree with much of what you say, but my beef isn't with Kinko's - it's with a vendor that serves both of us and that has provided my competition, however inept, with a competitive advantage, however slight. Abode's free to do that, and I'm free to bitch to them about it. They did, I will, and I'm already working on getting the powers that be at Franchise Services to voice their displeasure, too. While I'm doing the latter, I'm working on email address(es) through Franchise Services (which has an official "Abode contact person") for my personal protest. He/she might not be the right person for those of you that aren't Sir Speedys or PIPs, and I'll try to get that info, too. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Brian O'Day Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 1:39 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** MY take on this is glad to hear Kinko's is providing this service! My customers know who I am, I do not print for just anyone with a computer. Kinko's can train them on bad service and if they like it they can stay if not I am across the street they can develop a relationship, pay more and get good printing. I am pretty sure Kinko's will not print without a visa # and try getting a refund or how can you be sure the kid in your destination city will have it ready when you are on your way from the airport to the conference, you only get one try. Kinko's is trying to be profitable I don't see this as the magic bullet. Brian O'Day ePrint Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:51 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Cc: PrintOwnersNG@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** While Adobe's free to try to make money any way they wish to, they should also be in the business of keeping its customers happy. Every Abode user and service provider on this list (and on PONG) should tell Abode - in no uncertain terms - how very displeased they are the Abode has provided Kinko's with a competitive advantage. We'll certainly be doing that. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Robert Stor Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 12:13 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Adobe Links Acrobat, Reader To FedEx Kinko's Stores Starting Wednesday, users of Adobe Systems Inc.'s Adobe Acrobat and Reader software will be able to press a toolbar button to have their PDF files printed at any of FedEx Corp.'s Kinko's shops in the U.S. and have FedEx deliver the documents worldwide. The automatic connection is to FedEx Kinko's online services, which began operating last fall. Unlike the existing service, the new venture with Adobe is restricted to printing in the U.S. for now, but documents used to access the service will be uploaded automatically. Adobe said its customers will gain convenience. FedEx Kinko's will gain a presence on about 80% of personal computers once users install the latest versions of Reader and Acrobat. Most U.S. computer manufacturers bundle Adobe's free software on personal computers. "This is the next logical step in our partnership with FedEx Kinko's," said Pam Deziel, a marketing director for Adobe. For jobs to be delivered over a long distance or to multiple distances, Ms. Deziel noted, printing near the delivery point is generally faster and less expensive than printing and then shipping. The companies declined to disclose the terms of their agreement, such as the division of revenue. Adobe users' use of the service will be tracked for revenue distribution, Ms. Deziel said. Executives with both companies also didn't give revenue projections for the partnership. "We do expect a good impact from this. You have to look at the conversion rate, but there are millions and millions of downloads of the new reader every year," said Gurmeet Singh, director of e-commerce marketing for FedEx Kinko's "It's one less click for the customer. We expect to see volumes climb up," Mr. Singh added. The venture isn't exclusive for either party, the companies said. They declined to say how long the initial deal is for. "I think both companies will be evaluating this and we will look at how things are after 12 months," said Mr. Singh. The partnership could be expanded globally, though there are technical issues that would have to be dealt with such as varying standards for paper size. For now, Adobe users can also choose just to pick up documents at one of Kinko's 1,600 U.S. locations. Registered users can store contact and billing information, and reprint previous orders. Since FedEx Kinko's launched its online services, more than 133,000 customers have become registered users of the tool, the company said. *Write to* Mark Golden at mark.golden@dowjones.com RELATED ARTICLES AND BLOGS _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed Jun 6 14:17:18 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed Jun 6 14:17:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos In-Reply-To: References: <4666DCFD.50007@copycats.com> Message-ID: <200706061817.l56IHhTa026216@i2bnetworks.com> This development changes nothing for us. Spend your time worrying about things you have no control over, or spend your time effectively targeting prospective clients and growing your business. The choice is yours. S. At 09:51 AM 6/6/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >While Adobe's free to try to make money any way they wish to, they should >also be in the business of keeping its customers happy. > >Every Abode user and service provider on this list (and on PONG) should tell >Abode - in no uncertain terms - how very displeased they are the Abode has >provided Kinko's with a competitive advantage. > >We'll certainly be doing that. > >Dan >Sir Speedy Printing Center >5845 Hollywood Boulevard >Hollywood, FL 33021 >t 954.962.1309 >f 954-962-1366 >dan@myprinter.biz >www.myprinter.biz > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Robert Stor >Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 12:13 PM >To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >Subject: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Adobe Links Acrobat, Reader > To FedEx Kinko's Stores > > >Starting Wednesday, users of Adobe Systems > Inc.'s >Adobe Acrobat and Reader software will be able to press a toolbar button >to have their PDF files printed at any of FedEx > Corp.'s >Kinko's shops in the U.S. and have FedEx deliver the documents worldwide. > >The automatic connection is to FedEx Kinko's online services, which >began operating last fall. Unlike the existing service, the new venture >with Adobe is restricted to printing in the U.S. for now, but documents >used to access the service will be uploaded automatically. > >Adobe said its customers will gain convenience. FedEx Kinko's will gain >a presence on about 80% of personal computers once users install the >latest versions of Reader and Acrobat. Most U.S. computer manufacturers >bundle Adobe's free software on personal computers. > >"This is the next logical step in our partnership with FedEx Kinko's," >said Pam Deziel, a marketing director for Adobe. For jobs to be >delivered over a long distance or to multiple distances, Ms. Deziel >noted, printing near the delivery point is generally faster and less >expensive than printing and then shipping. > >The companies declined to disclose the terms of their agreement, such as >the division of revenue. Adobe users' use of the service will be tracked >for revenue distribution, Ms. Deziel said. > >Executives with both companies also didn't give revenue projections for >the partnership. > >"We do expect a good impact from this. You have to look at the >conversion rate, but there are millions and millions of downloads of the >new reader every year," said Gurmeet Singh, director of e-commerce >marketing for FedEx Kinko's > >"It's one less click for the customer. We expect to see volumes climb >up," Mr. Singh added. > >The venture isn't exclusive for either party, the companies said. They >declined to say how long the initial deal is for. > >"I think both companies will be evaluating this and we will look at how >things are after 12 months," said Mr. Singh. > >The partnership could be expanded globally, though there are technical >issues that would have to be dealt with such as varying standards for >paper size. > >For now, Adobe users can also choose just to pick up documents at one of >Kinko's 1,600 U.S. locations. Registered users can store contact and >billing information, and reprint previous orders. Since FedEx Kinko's >launched its online services, more than 133,000 customers have become >registered users of the tool, the company said. > >*Write to* Mark Golden at mark.golden@dowjones.com > > >RELATED ARTICLES AND BLOGS >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2313 (20070606) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From mail at myprinter.biz Wed Jun 6 14:59:32 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Wed Jun 6 14:59:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos In-Reply-To: <200706061817.l56IHhTa026216@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: S - I agree with much of what you say. It's going to be business as usual here tomorrow, and the day after that, and the next one, too. However... ...if you're suggesting that I/we have absolutely no control over an entity to which we're giving our money, you're describing one that's unresponsive to its clientele. While I agree with you that no individual complaint will make any difference to Adobe, neither their giving my competition (however inept) a competitive advantage (however slight) nor the concept that "we don't give a damn, so don't bother to complain" are okay with me. It might also be true that this entity to which we're giving our money will be completely unresponsive if lots of us complain, and you might be wrong. In truth, only your suggested path has a certain answer. Last, we all do things that don't directly affect affect our bottom line and aren't directed toward "effectively targeting prospective clients and growing your business" (My God, I'd be an even more boring slug with no life than I already am if that weren't so), and my postings on this topic - and yours - are excellent examples. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 2:17 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** This development changes nothing for us. Spend your time worrying about things you have no control over, or spend your time effectively targeting prospective clients and growing your business. The choice is yours. S. At 09:51 AM 6/6/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >While Adobe's free to try to make money any way they wish to, they should >also be in the business of keeping its customers happy. > >Every Abode user and service provider on this list (and on PONG) should tell >Abode - in no uncertain terms - how very displeased they are the Abode has >provided Kinko's with a competitive advantage. > >We'll certainly be doing that. > >Dan >Sir Speedy Printing Center >5845 Hollywood Boulevard >Hollywood, FL 33021 >t 954.962.1309 >f 954-962-1366 >dan@myprinter.biz >www.myprinter.biz > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Robert Stor >Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 12:13 PM >To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >Subject: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Adobe Links Acrobat, Reader > To FedEx Kinko's Stores > > >Starting Wednesday, users of Adobe Systems > Inc.'s >Adobe Acrobat and Reader software will be able to press a toolbar button >to have their PDF files printed at any of FedEx > Corp.'s >Kinko's shops in the U.S. and have FedEx deliver the documents worldwide. > >The automatic connection is to FedEx Kinko's online services, which >began operating last fall. Unlike the existing service, the new venture >with Adobe is restricted to printing in the U.S. for now, but documents >used to access the service will be uploaded automatically. > >Adobe said its customers will gain convenience. FedEx Kinko's will gain >a presence on about 80% of personal computers once users install the >latest versions of Reader and Acrobat. Most U.S. computer manufacturers >bundle Adobe's free software on personal computers. > >"This is the next logical step in our partnership with FedEx Kinko's," >said Pam Deziel, a marketing director for Adobe. For jobs to be >delivered over a long distance or to multiple distances, Ms. Deziel >noted, printing near the delivery point is generally faster and less >expensive than printing and then shipping. > >The companies declined to disclose the terms of their agreement, such as >the division of revenue. Adobe users' use of the service will be tracked >for revenue distribution, Ms. Deziel said. > >Executives with both companies also didn't give revenue projections for >the partnership. > >"We do expect a good impact from this. You have to look at the >conversion rate, but there are millions and millions of downloads of the >new reader every year," said Gurmeet Singh, director of e-commerce >marketing for FedEx Kinko's > >"It's one less click for the customer. We expect to see volumes climb >up," Mr. Singh added. > >The venture isn't exclusive for either party, the companies said. They >declined to say how long the initial deal is for. > >"I think both companies will be evaluating this and we will look at how >things are after 12 months," said Mr. Singh. > >The partnership could be expanded globally, though there are technical >issues that would have to be dealt with such as varying standards for >paper size. > >For now, Adobe users can also choose just to pick up documents at one of >Kinko's 1,600 U.S. locations. Registered users can store contact and >billing information, and reprint previous orders. Since FedEx Kinko's >launched its online services, more than 133,000 customers have become >registered users of the tool, the company said. > >*Write to* Mark Golden at mark.golden@dowjones.com > > >RELATED ARTICLES AND BLOGS >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2313 (20070606) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From noel.alford at gmail.com Wed Jun 6 15:33:42 2007 From: noel.alford at gmail.com (Noel Alford) Date: Wed Jun 6 15:33:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 22, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: <008901c7a85f$356772c0$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> References: <20070606160003.022F48B22DD@rb.enter.net> <008901c7a85f$356772c0$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> Message-ID: <82db7cdd0706061233x3b34a887rcfc6faf8ae5191a5@mail.gmail.com> The owner highly recommends this scanning service! http://www.document-group.com On 6/6/07, Kathy Henry wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Arie: > > As our last experience with the mailing customer who tried to > defraud us taught us, keep those statements a long time... > > You could scan them to a PDF and save them, as long as that stamp shows on > the bottom! > > Kathleen Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing > kathy@mpcny.com > > 125 East First Street > PO Box 815 > Oswego, NY 13126 > (315) 343-3531 > (315) 343-3577 (fax) > (315) 532-0943 (cell) > > > Does anybody know How long do you have to keep Mailing > records Postage Statement etc. of mail that you do for > customers. > We are moving and want to get rid of some junk. > > Thanks > Arie > > Arie Teomi > MINUTEMAN PRESS > 24000 Mercantile Rd. #16 > Cleveland, OH 44122 > P:216-464-1960 > F:216-464-1660 > > www.minutemancleveland.com > > Your Full Service > PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > End of PrintOwners Digest, Vol 22, Issue 12 > ******************************************* > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 6/5/2007 > 2:38 > PM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 6/5/2007 > 2:38 > PM > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Noel Alford The Document Imaging Group 401 East Capitol Street Suite 400 Jackson, MS 39201 601.948.1101 From thom at acepm.com Wed Jun 6 15:46:08 2007 From: thom at acepm.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Wed Jun 6 15:47:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing - Keeping Records In-Reply-To: <182840.96888.qm@web83408.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <98f5b19a0706051429h5d11bf58k14d017a5c4309c76@mail.gmail.com> <182840.96888.qm@web83408.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <025801c7a873$541116e0$fc3344a0$@com> Arie, One year. Thom Gulyas Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing 10 South Main Street Berlin, Maryland? 21811-1427 410-641-3636 / FAX 410-641-1167 Web Page: www.ACEPM.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider and a Microsoft Publisher Service Provider. We offer mailing services for First, Second and Standard class mailings. We handle everything from concept...to printing...to mailing! Ask us how we can SAVE YOU MONEY!!! -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Arie Teomi Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 11:48 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing - Keeping Records ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Does anybody know How long do you have to keep Mailing records Postage Statement etc. of mail that you do for customers. We are moving and want to get rid of some junk. Thanks Arie Arie Teomi MINUTEMAN PRESS 24000 Mercantile Rd. #16 Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.minutemancleveland.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com Wed Jun 6 16:20:20 2007 From: nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com (Nancy) Date: Wed Jun 6 16:21:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 22, Issue 12 References: <20070606160003.022F48B22DD@rb.enter.net><008901c7a85f$356772c0$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> <82db7cdd0706061233x3b34a887rcfc6faf8ae5191a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003801c7a878$1b3ef080$0500a8c0@Nancy> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Noel Alford" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 22, Issue 12 > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > The owner highly recommends this scanning service! > http://www.document-group.com > > On 6/6/07, Kathy Henry wrote: >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Arie: >> >> As our last experience with the mailing customer who tried to >> defraud us taught us, keep those statements a long time... >> >> You could scan them to a PDF and save them, as long as that stamp shows >> on >> the bottom! >> >> Kathleen Henry >> Mitchell Printing & Mailing >> kathy@mpcny.com >> >> 125 East First Street >> PO Box 815 >> Oswego, NY 13126 >> (315) 343-3531 >> (315) 343-3577 (fax) >> (315) 532-0943 (cell) >> >> >> Does anybody know How long do you have to keep Mailing >> records Postage Statement etc. of mail that you do for >> customers. >> We are moving and want to get rid of some junk. >> >> Thanks >> Arie >> >> Arie Teomi >> MINUTEMAN PRESS >> 24000 Mercantile Rd. #16 >> Cleveland, OH 44122 >> P:216-464-1960 >> F:216-464-1660 >> >> www.minutemancleveland.com >> >> Your Full Service >> PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> End of PrintOwners Digest, Vol 22, Issue 12 >> ******************************************* >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 6/5/2007 >> 2:38 >> PM >> >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 6/5/2007 >> 2:38 >> PM >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > > -- > > Noel Alford > The Document Imaging Group > 401 East Capitol Street > Suite 400 > Jackson, MS 39201 > 601.948.1101 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From prtquick at eos.net Wed Jun 6 16:59:00 2007 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Wed Jun 6 16:34:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing - Keeping Records In-Reply-To: References: <20070606160002.B90818B22DA@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: We now file them in the numerical file with each job, so they will be around for 2-3 years or so. I was always told 3 years, but I can't imagine why you would need them that long. Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit us in our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing On Jun 6, 2007, at 12:18 PM, Simon Sheers wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > One year for USPS. Your lawyer might want longer! > > We keep packing slips about 9 months, which is plenty of time for the > customer to have paid the bill and his check to have cleared the bank. > > >> Does anybody know How long do you have to keep Mailing >> records Postage Statement etc. of mail that you do for >> customers. >> We are moving and want to get rid of some junk. >> >> Thanks >> Arie > > Please reply to Simon Sheers at: > > > Sheer Graphics Inc. > 47 Chestnut Avenue, > Westmont, IL 60559-1127 > Tel: (630) 654-4422 > > Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From webmaster at designercard.com Wed Jun 6 16:37:09 2007 From: webmaster at designercard.com (webmaster@designercard.com) Date: Wed Jun 6 16:38:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Die Cut Printing Blanks for Raffle Tickets / Door Knob Hangers In-Reply-To: <025801c7a873$541116e0$fc3344a0$@com> References: <98f5b19a0706051429h5d11bf58k14d017a5c4309c76@mail.gmail.com><182840.96888.qm@web83408.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <025801c7a873$541116e0$fc3344a0$@com> Message-ID: <70842232D15D41429F69928DB9F1E342@ebilliotPC> Hi All, I am looking for a source for printing blanks for both 8 1/2 x 11 and 11 x 17. For both raffle tickets and door knob hangers. Any help would be appreciated, Thanks, Ed Billiot Designercards 908 Front Street Morgan City, LA 70380 ed@designercard.com From kathy at mpcny.com Wed Jun 6 18:33:12 2007 From: kathy at mpcny.com (Kathy Henry) Date: Wed Jun 6 18:33:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing - Keeping Records (Thom Gulyas) In-Reply-To: <20070606202113.7EC8F8B2EE9@rb.enter.net> References: <20070606202113.7EC8F8B2EE9@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <00e201c7a88a$aae3fd90$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> While I normally bow to the self proclaimed God of Mailing, Mr. Thomas Guylas, I have to interject here. If we had only kept one year's worth of mailing receipts for the one client we had try to claim fraud, we would have been, well, what is the word, SCREWED. She tried to claim fraud on the past three year's worth of mailings, saying if we didn't mail one, we didn't mail any. AmEx did not back us on anything, and it was the tale of the tape that proved us right. We would have been on the hook for all of them, all paid with AmEx, without proper documentation. I faxed her page after page after page of mailing receipts so that she knew, and the lawyer knew, that all our ducks were in a row. Then again, I was a paralegal in a past life (before my husband made me so happy selling printing) so I am neurotic! I say cover your butt and keep everything, scan it to PDF if you are out of room, and then get out there and sell something to someone! Come on guys, it?s not rocket science! Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing kathy@mpcny.com 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 6/5/2007 2:38 PM From inkyhand at gmail.com Wed Jun 6 18:42:23 2007 From: inkyhand at gmail.com (Ron Livingston) Date: Wed Jun 6 18:42:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Die Cut Printing Blanks for Raffle Tickets / Door Knob Hangers In-Reply-To: <70842232D15D41429F69928DB9F1E342@ebilliotPC> References: <98f5b19a0706051429h5d11bf58k14d017a5c4309c76@mail.gmail.com> <182840.96888.qm@web83408.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <025801c7a873$541116e0$fc3344a0$@com> <70842232D15D41429F69928DB9F1E342@ebilliotPC> Message-ID: <5c2107b30706061542g218930d4yff124c87d6364c0e@mail.gmail.com> Many of the paper houses here carry the Zapco brand manufactured in Smithville, Texas www.zapcopaper.com Click on the printer catalog on the left to see if it is what you are looking for. Also, they will do custom runs if you have special needs. The following are dealers in Louisiana *Louisiana* *Mac Papers, Inc.* 801 Edwards Ave. Harahan, LA 70123 (Phone) 504-733-7559 (Fax) 504-733-8645 *Unisource* 222 West 63rd St. Shreveport, LA 71106 (Phone) 318-869-2021 Ron > I am looking for a source for printing blanks for both 8 1/2 x 11 and 11 x > 17. For both raffle tickets and door knob hangers. > > Any help would be appreciated, > Thanks, > Ed Billiot > -- Ron Livingston Cornerstone Press 1228 Scyene, Suite 117 Mesquite, TX 75149 (972) 285-4670 From jdaghir at gmail.com Wed Jun 6 19:32:20 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Wed Jun 6 19:32:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Inkjet Addressing on Aqueous Coated Stock Message-ID: <83d5b9620706061632i3b5ebd5ej6271a8ce1e28f9be@mail.gmail.com> F.Y.I. - We successfully addressed aqueous coated self-mailers yesterday in our Bryce 9K inkjet addresser using Collins Ink Max 2 ink: http://www.collinsink.com/collins_black_product.php?recordID=31 We did have to add a feed delay to the Bryce so that the brochures would shingle on the conveyor without one brochure falling on top of the address of the previously printed brochure and we rigged up a heat gun as a dryer to help assist drying. I'm going to look into getting a conveyor with a real infrared dryer on it. Pretty handy since the aqueous coated brochures look much better than non-coated ones and should survive the mailing process better. And the best part is that if you're buying from a wholesaler aqueous coated is sometimes cheaper than spot coated or non-coated. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com From bill at mauiprintworks.com Wed Jun 6 23:43:27 2007 From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works) Date: Wed Jun 6 23:43:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos In-Reply-To: <4666DCFD.50007@copycats.com> References: <4666DCFD.50007@copycats.com> Message-ID: <917d48083ec95cb798a43b39808309ab@mauiprintworks.com> My feeling on this is that Adobe is snubbing a whole industry of loyal reliable customers in favor of ONE. They should be called on it by all of us, even if it is a waste of our time. Their response might tell us how much we want to support their future products. How should I contact them and what should I say. (that won't take any more time than we spend on this list) Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku, HI 96793 (808)242-6634 Fax (808)242-8967 bill@mauiprintworks.com www. mauiprintworks.com > Adobe Links Acrobat, Reader > To FedEx Kinko's Stores > > Starting Wednesday, users of Adobe Systems > Inc.'s > Adobe Acrobat and Reader software will be able to press a toolbar > button to have their PDF files printed at any of FedEx > Corp.'s > Kinko's shops in the U.S. and have FedEx deliver the documents > worldwide. > > The automatic connection is to FedEx Kinko's online services, which > began operating last fall. Unlike the existing service, the new > venture with Adobe is restricted to printing in the U.S. for now, but > documents used to access the service will be uploaded automatically. > > Adobe said its customers will gain convenience. FedEx Kinko's will > gain a presence on about 80% of personal computers once users install > the latest versions of Reader and Acrobat. Most U.S. computer > manufacturers bundle Adobe's free software on personal computers. > > "This is the next logical step in our partnership with FedEx Kinko's," > said Pam Deziel, a marketing director for Adobe. For jobs to be > delivered over a long distance or to multiple distances, Ms. Deziel > noted, printing near the delivery point is generally faster and less > expensive than printing and then shipping. > > The companies declined to disclose the terms of their agreement, such > as the division of revenue. Adobe users' use of the service will be > tracked for revenue distribution, Ms. Deziel said. > > Executives with both companies also didn't give revenue projections > for the partnership. > > "We do expect a good impact from this. You have to look at the > conversion rate, but there are millions and millions of downloads of > the new reader every year," said Gurmeet Singh, director of e-commerce > marketing for FedEx Kinko's > > "It's one less click for the customer. We expect to see volumes climb > up," Mr. Singh added. > > The venture isn't exclusive for either party, the companies said. They > declined to say how long the initial deal is for. > > "I think both companies will be evaluating this and we will look at > how things are after 12 months," said Mr. Singh. > > The partnership could be expanded globally, though there are technical > issues that would have to be dealt with such as varying standards for > paper size. > > For now, Adobe users can also choose just to pick up documents at one > of Kinko's 1,600 U.S. locations. Registered users can store contact > and billing information, and reprint previous orders. Since FedEx > Kinko's launched its online services, more than 133,000 customers have > become registered users of the tool, the company said. > > *Write to* Mark Golden at mark.golden@dowjones.com > > > RELATED ARTICLES AND BLOGS > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From scott at usacolor.com Wed Jun 6 23:48:00 2007 From: scott at usacolor.com (scott balsiger) Date: Wed Jun 6 23:48:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos References: <4666DCFD.50007@copycats.com> <917d48083ec95cb798a43b39808309ab@mauiprintworks.com> Message-ID: <023701c7a8b6$a7f31b30$0602a8c0@user30eca33b96> I would like to see a magazine like Quick Printing take this on. I dont recall seeing Adobe advertise in QP and certainly not Kinkos. Scott Balsiger President USA Color Printing Inc. 791 Manhomen Dr. Bemidji, MN. 56601 800-759-9126 218-759-2883(fax) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maui Print Works" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > My feeling on this is that Adobe is snubbing a whole industry of loyal > reliable customers in favor of ONE. They should be called on it by all of > us, even if it is a waste of our time. Their response might tell us how > much we want to support their future products. > > How should I contact them and what should I say. (that won't take any more > time than we spend on this list) > > Bill Marsh Maui Print Works > 70 Central Ave., Wailuku, HI 96793 > (808)242-6634 Fax (808)242-8967 > bill@mauiprintworks.com www. mauiprintworks.com > >> Adobe Links Acrobat, Reader >> To FedEx Kinko's Stores >> >> Starting Wednesday, users of Adobe Systems >> Inc.'s >> Adobe Acrobat and Reader software will be able to press a toolbar button >> to have their PDF files printed at any of FedEx >> Corp.'s >> Kinko's shops in the U.S. and have FedEx deliver the documents worldwide. >> >> The automatic connection is to FedEx Kinko's online services, which began >> operating last fall. Unlike the existing service, the new venture with >> Adobe is restricted to printing in the U.S. for now, but documents used >> to access the service will be uploaded automatically. >> >> Adobe said its customers will gain convenience. FedEx Kinko's will gain a >> presence on about 80% of personal computers once users install the latest >> versions of Reader and Acrobat. Most U.S. computer manufacturers bundle >> Adobe's free software on personal computers. >> >> "This is the next logical step in our partnership with FedEx Kinko's," >> said Pam Deziel, a marketing director for Adobe. For jobs to be delivered >> over a long distance or to multiple distances, Ms. Deziel noted, printing >> near the delivery point is generally faster and less expensive than >> printing and then shipping. >> >> The companies declined to disclose the terms of their agreement, such as >> the division of revenue. Adobe users' use of the service will be tracked >> for revenue distribution, Ms. Deziel said. >> >> Executives with both companies also didn't give revenue projections for >> the partnership. >> >> "We do expect a good impact from this. You have to look at the conversion >> rate, but there are millions and millions of downloads of the new reader >> every year," said Gurmeet Singh, director of e-commerce marketing for >> FedEx Kinko's >> >> "It's one less click for the customer. We expect to see volumes climb >> up," Mr. Singh added. >> >> The venture isn't exclusive for either party, the companies said. They >> declined to say how long the initial deal is for. >> >> "I think both companies will be evaluating this and we will look at how >> things are after 12 months," said Mr. Singh. >> >> The partnership could be expanded globally, though there are technical >> issues that would have to be dealt with such as varying standards for >> paper size. >> >> For now, Adobe users can also choose just to pick up documents at one of >> Kinko's 1,600 U.S. locations. Registered users can store contact and >> billing information, and reprint previous orders. Since FedEx Kinko's >> launched its online services, more than 133,000 customers have become >> registered users of the tool, the company said. >> >> *Write to* Mark Golden at mark.golden@dowjones.com >> >> >> RELATED ARTICLES AND BLOGS >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From bcreighton at danielsprinting.us Thu Jun 7 00:15:23 2007 From: bcreighton at danielsprinting.us (Bill Creighton) Date: Thu Jun 7 00:15:54 2007 Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos In-Reply-To: <023701c7a8b6$a7f31b30$0602a8c0@user30eca33b96> References: <4666DCFD.50007@copycats.com> <917d48083ec95cb798a43b39808309ab@mauiprintworks.com> <023701c7a8b6$a7f31b30$0602a8c0@user30eca33b96> Message-ID: <4667865B.3030006@danielsprinting.us> Scott: Great idea. Maybe John S. has some thoughts. Maybe I could get a deal to have my company listed in the toolbar also Maybe we all could and make it more equitable. We pay the freight and Kinkys comes along and gets the prize.However, like S says, WTF, just concentrate on our biz - we don't want their customers anyway. Just thoughts, Bill scott balsiger wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I would like to see a magazine like Quick Printing take this on. I > dont recall seeing Adobe advertise in QP and certainly not Kinkos. > Scott Balsiger President > USA Color Printing Inc. > 791 Manhomen Dr. > Bemidji, MN. 56601 > 800-759-9126 > 218-759-2883(fax) > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maui Print Works" > > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:43 PM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> My feeling on this is that Adobe is snubbing a whole industry of >> loyal reliable customers in favor of ONE. They should be called on it >> by all of us, even if it is a waste of our time. Their response might >> tell us how much we want to support their future products. >> >> How should I contact them and what should I say. (that won't take any >> more time than we spend on this list) >> >> Bill Marsh Maui Print Works >> 70 Central Ave., Wailuku, HI 96793 >> (808)242-6634 Fax (808)242-8967 >> bill@mauiprintworks.com www. mauiprintworks.com >> >>> Adobe Links Acrobat, Reader >>> To FedEx Kinko's Stores >>> >>> Starting Wednesday, users of Adobe Systems >>> Inc.'s >>> Adobe Acrobat and Reader software will be able to press a toolbar >>> button to have their PDF files printed at any of FedEx >>> Corp.'s >>> Kinko's shops in the U.S. and have FedEx deliver the documents >>> worldwide. >>> >>> The automatic connection is to FedEx Kinko's online services, which >>> began operating last fall. Unlike the existing service, the new >>> venture with Adobe is restricted to printing in the U.S. for now, >>> but documents used to access the service will be uploaded >>> automatically. >>> >>> Adobe said its customers will gain convenience. FedEx Kinko's will >>> gain a presence on about 80% of personal computers once users >>> install the latest versions of Reader and Acrobat. Most U.S. >>> computer manufacturers bundle Adobe's free software on personal >>> computers. >>> >>> "This is the next logical step in our partnership with FedEx >>> Kinko's," said Pam Deziel, a marketing director for Adobe. For jobs >>> to be delivered over a long distance or to multiple distances, Ms. >>> Deziel noted, printing near the delivery point is generally faster >>> and less expensive than printing and then shipping. >>> >>> The companies declined to disclose the terms of their agreement, >>> such as the division of revenue. Adobe users' use of the service >>> will be tracked for revenue distribution, Ms. Deziel said. >>> >>> Executives with both companies also didn't give revenue projections >>> for the partnership. >>> >>> "We do expect a good impact from this. You have to look at the >>> conversion rate, but there are millions and millions of downloads of >>> the new reader every year," said Gurmeet Singh, director of >>> e-commerce marketing for FedEx Kinko's >>> >>> "It's one less click for the customer. We expect to see volumes >>> climb up," Mr. Singh added. >>> >>> The venture isn't exclusive for either party, the companies said. >>> They declined to say how long the initial deal is for. >>> >>> "I think both companies will be evaluating this and we will look at >>> how things are after 12 months," said Mr. Singh. >>> >>> The partnership could be expanded globally, though there are >>> technical issues that would have to be dealt with such as varying >>> standards for paper size. >>> >>> For now, Adobe users can also choose just to pick up documents at >>> one of Kinko's 1,600 U.S. locations. Registered users can store >>> contact and billing information, and reprint previous orders. Since >>> FedEx Kinko's launched its online services, more than 133,000 >>> customers have become registered users of the tool, the company said. >>> >>> *Write to* Mark Golden at mark.golden@dowjones.com >>> >>> >>> RELATED ARTICLES AND BLOGS >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Bill Creighton Daniels Printing 2141 Priest Bridge Drive #5 Crofton, MD 21114 301.261.3426 bcreighton@danielsprinting.us From thom at acepm.com Thu Jun 7 04:54:32 2007 From: thom at acepm.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Thu Jun 7 04:55:44 2007 Subject: Attn: Kathleen Henry ... was RE: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing - Keeping Records (Thom Gulyas) In-Reply-To: <00e201c7a88a$aae3fd90$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> References: <20070606202113.7EC8F8B2EE9@rb.enter.net> <00e201c7a88a$aae3fd90$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> Message-ID: <003301c7a8e1$77b8b490$672a1db0$@com> Kathy, Wow! I feel like I'm on stage at the moment. "While I normally bow to the self proclaimed God of Mailing, Mr. Thomas Gulyas, I have to interject here." Self proclaimed? :) Nawww.... 21 years of doing this stuff???? Yeah.....but hey, if you want to kneel before Zod.... feel free! :) :) :) Actually, something caught my attention that you said here in your post that deserves some further examination. You said: "AmEx did not back us on anything, and it was the tale of the tape that proved us right. We would have been on the hook for all of them, all paid with AmEx, without proper documentation." Are you telling us that you actually paid for all your mailings with Amex? I know for a fact in my immediate areas (within about 200 mile radius) dealing with several USPS offices that you cannot use any type of credit card to pay for mail entered using a 3600 or 3602. However, that is not to be construed that you cannot purchase first class stamps (regular or presorted) for a mailing across the front counter of the USPS and use a credit card. How did you do this? Obviously some clients will try to claim anything. Clients working a fraud will work whatever they wish. Nothing you can do there. The question, as it was posed from my buddy Arie, was "how long do I need to keep this paperwork?" I understood him to be asking as if the USPS would want to see it at a later time for some reason. This is only for a year. If you have clients trying to work a scam, then yes, you may want to scan to disk and store them that way. If that was the basis of my buddy Arie's question, then Kathleen, you would in fact be correct. .....I have to get back on my pedestal now. Self Proclaimed Mailing God, Thom Gulyas Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing 10 South Main Street Berlin, Maryland? 21811-1427 410-641-3636 / FAX 410-641-1167 Web Page: www.ACEPM.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Henry Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 6:33 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing - Keeping Records (Thom Gulyas) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** While I normally bow to the self proclaimed God of Mailing, Mr. Thomas Guylas, I have to interject here. If we had only kept one year's worth of mailing receipts for the one client we had try to claim fraud, we would have been, well, what is the word, SCREWED. She tried to claim fraud on the past three year's worth of mailings, saying if we didn't mail one, we didn't mail any. AmEx did not back us on anything, and it was the tale of the tape that proved us right. We would have been on the hook for all of them, all paid with AmEx, without proper documentation. I faxed her page after page after page of mailing receipts so that she knew, and the lawyer knew, that all our ducks were in a row. Then again, I was a paralegal in a past life (before my husband made me so happy selling printing) so I am neurotic! I say cover your butt and keep everything, scan it to PDF if you are out of room, and then get out there and sell something to someone! Come on guys, it?s not rocket science! Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing kathy@mpcny.com 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 6/5/2007 2:38 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From alewinter at datapalette.com Thu Jun 7 07:54:30 2007 From: alewinter at datapalette.com (Andrew LeWinter) Date: Thu Jun 7 07:52:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos References: Message-ID: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D5015490E@mail1.datapalette.local> I don't mind making a paper tiger protest. But let's be realistic. Adobe's market for their software is considerably bigger than printers. They are looking at the convenience factor for the bulk of their end users (who also happen to be our customers). They see an affiliation with Kinko's, whose marketing muscle can piggyback Adobe's own, as potentially adding to the Adobe customer base. As the release said, this agreement is non-exclusive to either party, so don't be surprised to see additional affiliations developed with Sir Speedy, Minuteman, Alphagraphics, etc. and Adobe. Look to see Quark try the same with these groups. The guys left in the cold are the independents, who keep plugging away. So like Scott says, work your own network. Let your customers know that you can do what Kinko does, only better. If Kinkos is as bad as many on the list have said, these Adobe customers will be looking for non-Kinkos vendors who can accept their Adobe output. Develop your own options to make their life easier. Don't ignore Kinko's, just respond to the challenge directly with your customers. Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 2:00 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Brian - I agree with much of what you say, but my beef isn't with Kinko's - it's with a vendor that serves both of us and that has provided my competition, however inept, with a competitive advantage, however slight. Abode's free to do that, and I'm free to bitch to them about it. They did, I will, and I'm already working on getting the powers that be at Franchise Services to voice their displeasure, too. While I'm doing the latter, I'm working on email address(es) through Franchise Services (which has an official "Abode contact person") for my personal protest. He/she might not be the right person for those of you that aren't Sir Speedys or PIPs, and I'll try to get that info, too. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Brian O'Day Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 1:39 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** MY take on this is glad to hear Kinko's is providing this service! My customers know who I am, I do not print for just anyone with a computer. Kinko's can train them on bad service and if they like it they can stay if not I am across the street they can develop a relationship, pay more and get good printing. I am pretty sure Kinko's will not print without a visa # and try getting a refund or how can you be sure the kid in your destination city will have it ready when you are on your way from the airport to the conference, you only get one try. Kinko's is trying to be profitable I don't see this as the magic bullet. Brian O'Day ePrint Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:51 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Cc: PrintOwnersNG@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** While Adobe's free to try to make money any way they wish to, they should also be in the business of keeping its customers happy. Every Abode user and service provider on this list (and on PONG) should tell Abode - in no uncertain terms - how very displeased they are the Abode has provided Kinko's with a competitive advantage. We'll certainly be doing that. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Robert Stor Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 12:13 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Adobe Links Acrobat, Reader To FedEx Kinko's Stores Starting Wednesday, users of Adobe Systems Inc.'s Adobe Acrobat and Reader software will be able to press a toolbar button to have their PDF files printed at any of FedEx Corp.'s Kinko's shops in the U.S. and have FedEx deliver the documents worldwide. The automatic connection is to FedEx Kinko's online services, which began operating last fall. Unlike the existing service, the new venture with Adobe is restricted to printing in the U.S. for now, but documents used to access the service will be uploaded automatically. Adobe said its customers will gain convenience. FedEx Kinko's will gain a presence on about 80% of personal computers once users install the latest versions of Reader and Acrobat. Most U.S. computer manufacturers bundle Adobe's free software on personal computers. "This is the next logical step in our partnership with FedEx Kinko's," said Pam Deziel, a marketing director for Adobe. For jobs to be delivered over a long distance or to multiple distances, Ms. Deziel noted, printing near the delivery point is generally faster and less expensive than printing and then shipping. The companies declined to disclose the terms of their agreement, such as the division of revenue. Adobe users' use of the service will be tracked for revenue distribution, Ms. Deziel said. Executives with both companies also didn't give revenue projections for the partnership. "We do expect a good impact from this. You have to look at the conversion rate, but there are millions and millions of downloads of the new reader every year," said Gurmeet Singh, director of e-commerce marketing for FedEx Kinko's "It's one less click for the customer. We expect to see volumes climb up," Mr. Singh added. The venture isn't exclusive for either party, the companies said. They declined to say how long the initial deal is for. "I think both companies will be evaluating this and we will look at how things are after 12 months," said Mr. Singh. The partnership could be expanded globally, though there are technical issues that would have to be dealt with such as varying standards for paper size. For now, Adobe users can also choose just to pick up documents at one of Kinko's 1,600 U.S. locations. Registered users can store contact and billing information, and reprint previous orders. Since FedEx Kinko's launched its online services, more than 133,000 customers have become registered users of the tool, the company said. *Write to* Mark Golden at mark.golden@dowjones.com RELATED ARTICLES AND BLOGS _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ed at graphicprintersinc.com Thu Jun 7 08:51:23 2007 From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce) Date: Thu Jun 7 08:51:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos In-Reply-To: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D5015490E@mail1.datapalette.local> Message-ID: <000601c7a902$8e22c2e0$5a01a8c0@fileserver> Adobe has already done us a big favor by allowing us to advertise as Adobe Service Providers along with giving us a huge price break on the software AND unlimited tech support. Sooner or later we have to ask ourselves what WE bring to the table (besides an appetite) to Adobe. I could care less about Kinko's. Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com From hal at pickimp.com Thu Jun 7 08:59:32 2007 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Thu Jun 7 09:00:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos References: <4666DCFD.50007@copycats.com> <917d48083ec95cb798a43b39808309ab@mauiprintworks.com> Message-ID: <008301c7a904$052f55a0$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Hey folks Adobe isn't doing this for free. Kinkos paid them up front and will be paying royalties to Adobe on each order. Hal Wendt IMP Printing & Graphics Design Southgate, Michigan USA > From priorityprinting at comcast.net Thu Jun 7 09:14:57 2007 From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net) Date: Thu Jun 7 09:15:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Die Cut Printing Blanks for Raffle Tickets / Door Knob Hangers Message-ID: <060720071314.7556.466804D100011C4800001D8422007343640902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> The Ticket Doctor 810 750-5770 www.ticketdoctor.com I use tis company for all kinds of letterpress blanks including raffle tickets and door hangers. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hi All, > > I am looking for a source for printing blanks for both 8 1/2 x 11 and 11 x > 17. For both raffle tickets and door knob hangers. > > Any help would be appreciated, > Thanks, > Ed Billiot > Designercards > 908 Front Street > Morgan City, LA 70380 > ed@designercard.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From kathy at mpcny.com Thu Jun 7 09:25:37 2007 From: kathy at mpcny.com (Kathy Henry) Date: Thu Jun 7 09:25:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing -Keeping Records (Thom Gulyas) In-Reply-To: <20070607130058.77E848B5E53@rb.enter.net> References: <20070607130058.77E848B5E53@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <000901c7a907$587ab350$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> SPMG: You said: "Are you telling us that you actually paid for all your mailings with Amex? I know for a fact in my immediate areas (within about 200 mile radius) dealing with several USPS offices that you cannot use any type of credit card to pay for mail entered using a 3600 or 3602. However, that is not to be construed that you cannot purchase first class stamps (regular or presorted) for a mailing across the front counter of the USPS and use a credit card. How did you do this?" No, we did not pay for the mailings with AmEx. The client paid us with AmEx to reimburse for postage paid by us. Again, if the client claims fraud, you have to have those statements to prove that you did, in fact, mail the pieces. Arie's question can have two interpretations, one for the benefit of the Postal Service, and one for the benefit of the mailer proving they did mail the pieces. The client paying with a credit card can charge back at any time, any amounts, according to AmEx, which in my case, encompassed three years of mailings, all paid for by the client with a credit card. Your only supporting documentation is the original, stamped, signed paperwork with the cash register window receipt proving you did this. I am correct - as you should well know. Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing kathy@mpcny.com 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) Message: 2 Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 04:54:32 -0400 From: "Thom Gulyas" Subject: Attn: Kathleen Henry ... was RE: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing - Keeping Records (Thom Gulyas) To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Message-ID: <003301c7a8e1$77b8b490$672a1db0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kathy, Wow! I feel like I'm on stage at the moment. "While I normally bow to the self proclaimed God of Mailing, Mr. Thomas Gulyas, I have to interject here." Self proclaimed? :) Nawww.... 21 years of doing this stuff???? Yeah.....but hey, if you want to kneel before Zod.... feel free! :) :) :) Actually, something caught my attention that you said here in your post that deserves some further examination. You said: "AmEx did not back us on anything, and it was the tale of the tape that proved us right. We would have been on the hook for all of them, all paid with AmEx, without proper documentation." Are you telling us that you actually paid for all your mailings with Amex? I know for a fact in my immediate areas (within about 200 mile radius) dealing with several USPS offices that you cannot use any type of credit card to pay for mail entered using a 3600 or 3602. However, that is not to be construed that you cannot purchase first class stamps (regular or presorted) for a mailing across the front counter of the USPS and use a credit card. How did you do this? Obviously some clients will try to claim anything. Clients working a fraud will work whatever they wish. Nothing you can do there. The question, as it was posed from my buddy Arie, was "how long do I need to keep this paperwork?" I understood him to be asking as if the USPS would want to see it at a later time for some reason. This is only for a year. If you have clients trying to work a scam, then yes, you may want to scan to disk and store them that way. If that was the basis of my buddy Arie's question, then Kathleen, you would in fact be correct. .....I have to get back on my pedestal now. Self Proclaimed Mailing God, Thom Gulyas Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing 10 South Main Street Berlin, Maryland 21811-1427 410-641-3636 / FAX 410-641-1167 Web Page: www.ACEPM.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/837 - Release Date: 6/6/2007 2:03 PM From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu Jun 7 09:26:14 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 7 09:26:26 2007 Subject: A question? Re: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos Message-ID: In a message dated 6/7/2007 9:01:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hal@pickimp.com writes: Hey folks Adobe isn't doing this for free. Kinkos paid them up front and will be paying royalties to Adobe on each order. Are we talking about a special button for transmitting files to FedEx Kinkos added to Acrobat Professional and possibly other programs produced by Adobe, or are we talking about an option on their web-based Adobe On-line services to send files or what. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From phil at theprintingstore.com Thu Jun 7 09:26:25 2007 From: phil at theprintingstore.com (Phil Barry) Date: Thu Jun 7 09:27:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Tricrease Table Top Machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1eb82f5b4f6f5f3e9aa8659f678fcec1@theprintingstore.com> Is anyone using the Tricrease table top machine for scoring and perfing. Are you happy with it. Would you do it again, or would you purchase something like the Morgana? Thanks, Phil The Printing Store 621 Madison Oak Park, IL 60302 708-383-3638 708-383-3982 fax www.theprintingstore.com From armand at curryonline.com Thu Jun 7 09:43:02 2007 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Thu Jun 7 09:43:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos In-Reply-To: <000601c7a902$8e22c2e0$5a01a8c0@fileserver> Message-ID: <0MKp8S-1HwIGZ3t1T-0002qs@mrelay.perfora.net> While many of you have said that the Adobe/Kinko's relationship won't change anything and it will be business as usual, be careful of small changes that happen over time. They will eventually erode at your business. A case in point is how I buy my drugs (legal, of course). I used to buy the only prescription drug I take from CVS. However, I now by them from Wal-Mart. Why? Not because I can get them cheaper from Wal-Mart (CVS was $10.00 per month, Wal-Mart is $4.00 per month) but in addition to saving $72.00 per year (a couple of good meals with the wife), Wal-Mart makes it substantially more convenient to do business with them: 1. Once a month I get an email from Wal-Mart reminding me to pick up my refill. CVS doesn't do this. 2. Wal-Mart keeps my credit card number on file so when I pick up my refill I don't have to wait in line to pay for them. I pick up and go. 3. When my prescription has expired, they call the doctor's office and take care of getting an updated prescription. It is seamless to me. So, in addition to saving 60% on my drugs, I get incredibly better service. Yes, I hear many of your right now. Kinko's doesn't have incredible service. Maybe not yet but it only takes the right leader to start making changes and by the time you realize the changes that have been made, it may be too late to counteract them. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ed Pierce Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:51 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Adobe has already done us a big favor by allowing us to advertise as Adobe Service Providers along with giving us a huge price break on the software AND unlimited tech support. Sooner or later we have to ask ourselves what WE bring to the table (besides an appetite) to Adobe. I could care less about Kinko's. Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Thu Jun 7 09:53:45 2007 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Thu Jun 7 09:52:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Virtual LPT Port for USB printer? Message-ID: <46680DE9.7090009@sugarloafprint.com> I just installed a new laser printer for the office and it is connected via a USB port on a XP Pro System. I have one old program that I use daily (It works so why fix it) that will only print to a LPT port Does anybody know of a virtual LPT port for a USB printer. I did a google and all I found was hardware, I need some type of software to do this TIA -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From homedespot1 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 7 09:58:49 2007 From: homedespot1 at yahoo.com (Jen Adelman) Date: Thu Jun 7 09:58:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos In-Reply-To: <0MKp8S-1HwIGZ3t1T-0002qs@mrelay.perfora.net> Message-ID: <440603.97371.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Frankly I think there is a class action lawsuit in here somewhere. I'm going to ask my brother-in-law. Jennifer Adelman Roller Printing Santa Fe, NM www.rollerprinting.com jennifer@rollerprinting.com --- Armand Girard wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > While many of you have said that the Adobe/Kinko's > relationship won't change > anything and it will be business as usual, be > careful of small changes that > happen over time. They will eventually erode at your > business. > > A case in point is how I buy my drugs (legal, of > course). I used to buy the > only prescription drug I take from CVS. However, I > now by them from > Wal-Mart. Why? Not because I can get them cheaper > from Wal-Mart (CVS was > $10.00 per month, Wal-Mart is $4.00 per month) but > in addition to saving > $72.00 per year (a couple of good meals with the > wife), Wal-Mart makes it > substantially more convenient to do business with > them: > > 1. Once a month I get an email from Wal-Mart > reminding me to pick up my > refill. CVS doesn't do this. > > 2. Wal-Mart keeps my credit card number on file so > when I pick up my refill > I don't have to wait in line to pay for them. I pick > up and go. > > 3. When my prescription has expired, they call the > doctor's office and take > care of getting an updated prescription. It is > seamless to me. > > So, in addition to saving 60% on my drugs, I get > incredibly better service. > > Yes, I hear many of your right now. Kinko's doesn't > have incredible service. > Maybe not yet but it only takes the right leader to > start making changes and > by the time you realize the changes that have been > made, it may be too late > to counteract them. > > > > Armand Girard > Curry Printing & Mailing > 31 Mill St > Auburn, ME 04210 > > email: armand@curryonline.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf > Of Ed Pierce > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:51 AM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners > Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Adobe has already done us a big favor by allowing us > to advertise as Adobe > Service Providers along with giving us a huge price > break on the software > AND unlimited tech support. > > Sooner or later we have to ask ourselves what WE > bring to the table (besides > an appetite) to Adobe. > > I could care less about Kinko's. > > Ed Pierce > Graphic Print & Communication > Meridian MS > 601-485-7088 > ed@graphicprintersinc.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Art, like morality, consists of drawing the line somewhere -G.K. Chesterton ___________________________________________________________________________________ You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_html.html From armand at curryonline.com Thu Jun 7 10:07:42 2007 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Thu Jun 7 10:20:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Virtual LPT Port for USB printer? In-Reply-To: <46680DE9.7090009@sugarloafprint.com> Message-ID: <0MKp8S-1HwIeT2ojd-0002rD@mrelay.perfora.net> Back in the old days of DOS, I use to redirect printer output to serial ports with the mode command. Not sure it will work with a USB printer, however. Never had a need to do this. Give this a try: Open a command prompt and type in (at the C> prompt): MODE LPT1=USB001 Then close the window. Now try printing to the LPT (parallel) port. It may not work because, depending on the application you are printing from, you may need a printer driver specific to that printer. The other though I had was to attach the printer on a separate computer, share it on the network and then on the computer that has the application you are printing from, add a printer that points to the shared printer. That should work fine. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Sardo Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 9:54 AM To: Print Owners Subject: [PrintOwners] Virtual LPT Port for USB printer? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I just installed a new laser printer for the office and it is connected via a USB port on a XP Pro System. I have one old program that I use daily (It works so why fix it) that will only print to a LPT port Does anybody know of a virtual LPT port for a USB printer. I did a google and all I found was hardware, I need some type of software to do this TIA -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 . Fax: 570-788-6077 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From printweb at campbellcopy.com Thu Jun 7 10:27:56 2007 From: printweb at campbellcopy.com (John Beery) Date: Thu Jun 7 10:28:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Virtual LPT Port for USB printer? In-Reply-To: <46680DE9.7090009@sugarloafprint.com> Message-ID: <006401c7a910$0af22240$a50a0a0a@D5N31R91> Ron, Share the printer then use the "net use" command to map lpt2 (unless your system doesn't have a parallel port then you could use lpt1) to the shared printer on the local system. John Beery Harrisonburg Printing & Graphics 755 Cantrell Ave. Harrisonburg, VA 22801 540-434-4171 ext 101 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Sardo Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 9:54 AM To: Print Owners Subject: [PrintOwners] Virtual LPT Port for USB printer? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I just installed a new laser printer for the office and it is connected via a USB port on a XP Pro System. I have one old program that I use daily (It works so why fix it) that will only print to a LPT port Does anybody know of a virtual LPT port for a USB printer. I did a google and all I found was hardware, I need some type of software to do this TIA -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 . Fax: 570-788-6077 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Thu Jun 7 10:34:38 2007 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Thu Jun 7 10:36:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] HP3500 In-Reply-To: <0MKp8S-1HwIeT2ojd-0002rD@mrelay.perfora.net> References: <46680DE9.7090009@sugarloafprint.com> <0MKp8S-1HwIeT2ojd-0002rD@mrelay.perfora.net> Message-ID: <010301c7a910$fa388f10$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Someone is offering me a wide format printer, HP3500, for $1200. I appreciate any comments, good or bad. Thanks. Gord Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc 2105 Midland Ave Unit 14 Scarborough, ON M1P 3E3 Ph: 416 298 6996 Fax: 416 298 2771 www.xoxocyberprint.com gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com From kellycrom at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 10:43:54 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Thu Jun 7 10:43:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Virtual LPT Port for USB printer? In-Reply-To: <46680DE9.7090009@sugarloafprint.com> References: <46680DE9.7090009@sugarloafprint.com> Message-ID: <02ed01c7a912$45d17990$6d01a8c0@KELLY> We had a similar situation a couple years back(when we were still using our old DOS based print and accounting software). The net use option didn't work too well for us because of limited printer codes in our software, so I found a software solution called Printfil (http://www.printfil.com/english.htm). The initial configuration was a bit confusing, but after that it worked well for us. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Sardo > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:54 AM > To: Print Owners > Subject: [PrintOwners] Virtual LPT Port for USB printer? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I just installed a new laser printer for the office and it is > connected > via a USB port on a XP Pro System. > I have one old program that I use daily (It works so why fix it) that > will only print to a LPT port > > Does anybody know of a virtual LPT port for a USB printer. > > I did a google and all I found was hardware, I need some type of > software to do this > > TIA > > -- > Ron Sardo > Sugarloaf Print Shop > mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com > www.sugarloafprint.com > 570-788-5099 . Fax: 570-788-6077 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Thu Jun 7 10:53:24 2007 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Thu Jun 7 10:51:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Virtual LPT Port for USB printer? In-Reply-To: <0MKp8S-1HwIeT2ojd-0002rD@mrelay.perfora.net> References: <0MKp8S-1HwIeT2ojd-0002rD@mrelay.perfora.net> Message-ID: <46681BE4.20603@sugarloafprint.com> Armand Girard wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Back in the old days of DOS, I use to redirect printer output to serial > ports with the mode command. Not sure it will work with a USB printer, > however. Never had a need to do this. Give this a try: > > Open a command prompt and type in (at the C> prompt): > > MODE LPT1=USB001 > > Then close the window. Now try printing to the LPT (parallel) port. It may > not work because, depending on the application you are printing from, you > may need a printer driver specific to that printer. > > The other though I had was to attach the printer on a separate computer, > share it on the network and then on the computer that has the application > you are printing from, add a printer that points to the shared printer. That > should work fine. > > > I tried that and net use lpt1: \\computername\printersharename /persistent:yes Both didn't work Thanks anyway -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From gamble at choiceonemail.com Thu Jun 7 11:02:36 2007 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Thu Jun 7 11:02:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing -Keeping Records (Thom Gulyas) In-Reply-To: <000901c7a907$587ab350$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> References: <20070607130058.77E848B5E53@rb.enter.net> <000901c7a907$587ab350$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> Message-ID: <026e01c7a914$e2ad0b60$0301a8c0@RICK> Umm... if we are passing out titles can I be Jesus since I have been doing this for 25 years.. and just as a side note People use that word to describe me a lot and they normally use a few words before and after that. JMTC Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Henry Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 9:26 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing -Keeping Records (Thom Gulyas) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** SPMG: You said: "Are you telling us that you actually paid for all your mailings with Amex? I know for a fact in my immediate areas (within about 200 mile radius) dealing with several USPS offices that you cannot use any type of credit card to pay for mail entered using a 3600 or 3602. However, that is not to be construed that you cannot purchase first class stamps (regular or presorted) for a mailing across the front counter of the USPS and use a credit card. How did you do this?" No, we did not pay for the mailings with AmEx. The client paid us with AmEx to reimburse for postage paid by us. Again, if the client claims fraud, you have to have those statements to prove that you did, in fact, mail the pieces. Arie's question can have two interpretations, one for the benefit of the Postal Service, and one for the benefit of the mailer proving they did mail the pieces. The client paying with a credit card can charge back at any time, any amounts, according to AmEx, which in my case, encompassed three years of mailings, all paid for by the client with a credit card. Your only supporting documentation is the original, stamped, signed paperwork with the cash register window receipt proving you did this. I am correct - as you should well know. Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing kathy@mpcny.com 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) Message: 2 Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 04:54:32 -0400 From: "Thom Gulyas" Subject: Attn: Kathleen Henry ... was RE: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing - Keeping Records (Thom Gulyas) To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Message-ID: <003301c7a8e1$77b8b490$672a1db0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kathy, Wow! I feel like I'm on stage at the moment. "While I normally bow to the self proclaimed God of Mailing, Mr. Thomas Gulyas, I have to interject here." Self proclaimed? :) Nawww.... 21 years of doing this stuff???? Yeah.....but hey, if you want to kneel before Zod.... feel free! :) :) :) Actually, something caught my attention that you said here in your post that deserves some further examination. You said: "AmEx did not back us on anything, and it was the tale of the tape that proved us right. We would have been on the hook for all of them, all paid with AmEx, without proper documentation." Are you telling us that you actually paid for all your mailings with Amex? I know for a fact in my immediate areas (within about 200 mile radius) dealing with several USPS offices that you cannot use any type of credit card to pay for mail entered using a 3600 or 3602. However, that is not to be construed that you cannot purchase first class stamps (regular or presorted) for a mailing across the front counter of the USPS and use a credit card. How did you do this? Obviously some clients will try to claim anything. Clients working a fraud will work whatever they wish. Nothing you can do there. The question, as it was posed from my buddy Arie, was "how long do I need to keep this paperwork?" I understood him to be asking as if the USPS would want to see it at a later time for some reason. This is only for a year. If you have clients trying to work a scam, then yes, you may want to scan to disk and store them that way. If that was the basis of my buddy Arie's question, then Kathleen, you would in fact be correct. .....I have to get back on my pedestal now. Self Proclaimed Mailing God, Thom Gulyas Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing 10 South Main Street Berlin, Maryland 21811-1427 410-641-3636 / FAX 410-641-1167 Web Page: www.ACEPM.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/837 - Release Date: 6/6/2007 2:03 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From k_graham at hotmail.com Thu Jun 7 11:03:02 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Thu Jun 7 11:03:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] HP3500 References: <46680DE9.7090009@sugarloafprint.com><0MKp8S-1HwIeT2ojd-0002rD@mrelay.perfora.net> <010301c7a910$fa388f10$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: > Someone is offering me a wide format printer, HP3500, for $1200. I > appreciate any comments, good or bad. We have the 3000, same device without the postscript RIP. It has 2 types of ink, regular and UV available. My complaint is with the ink cartridges, we don't use it a lot and we always have trouble getting them started and they always go bad before we finish the bulk ink pack that goes with it. Also in the end we only ever used 36" wide material as our laminator is 40" so think hard before purchasing something capable of 4 feet as it takes more space as well. What I would like is a UV resistant inkjet which survives Non-Use without drying out, provides affordable supplies for low cost per square foot and includes a 36" color scanner - not asking for much eh. Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika From dominick at fmtc.com Thu Jun 7 12:04:14 2007 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Joe Dominick) Date: Thu Jun 7 11:08:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] HP3500 In-Reply-To: <010301c7a910$fa388f10$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> References: <46680DE9.7090009@sugarloafprint.com> <0MKp8S-1HwIeT2ojd-0002rD@mrelay.perfora.net> <010301c7a910$fa388f10$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: On Jun 7, 2007, at 7:34 AM, Gordon Watt wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Someone is offering me a wide format printer, HP3500, for $1200. I > appreciate any comments, good or bad. > > Thanks. > > Gord Watt > Xoxo Cyberprint Inc > 2105 Midland Ave Unit 14 > Scarborough, ON M1P 3E3 > Ph: 416 298 6996 > Fax: 416 298 2771 > www.xoxocyberprint.com > gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com > > > Main thing is to check on supplies. The ink and print heads for the HP2500 is getting hard to find. Joe Dominick Dominick's Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541-881-1121 fax 541-881-1599 http://www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com NEW! We are Ontario's ONLY Adobe Authorized Service Provider Microsoft Publisher File Welcome Here! Total Quality Printing using the Technology of Today! From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Thu Jun 7 11:09:16 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Thu Jun 7 11:10:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Tricrease Table Top Machine In-Reply-To: <20070607142054.9B3568B64C7@rb.enter.net> References: <20070607142054.9B3568B64C7@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Yes, on a Rosback. Yes, we're happy. Yes, we'd do it again. We did not consider a Morgana because we already had the Rosback. > Is anyone using the Tricrease table top machine for scoring and > perfing. Are you happy with it. Would you do it again, or would you > purchase something like the Morgana? > > Thanks, > Phil Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From k_graham at hotmail.com Thu Jun 7 11:11:10 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Thu Jun 7 11:11:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Virtual LPT Port for USB printer? References: <46680DE9.7090009@sugarloafprint.com> <02ed01c7a912$45d17990$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: > We had a similar situation a couple years back(when we were still using > our > old DOS based print and accounting software). The net use option didn't > work > too well for us because of limited printer codes in our software, so I > found > a software solution called Printfil (http://www.printfil.com/english.htm). > The initial configuration was a bit confusing, but after that it worked > well We don't have a USB port but do direct a DOS program to a laser printer. We created a batch file which starts the DOS program, the net use command is in the batch file so it always redirects the lpt port. beforestarting the program. I think we also put in a line that first clears any redirections. Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Thu Jun 7 11:16:37 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Thu Jun 7 11:18:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos In-Reply-To: <20070607142054.9B3568B64C7@rb.enter.net> References: <20070607142054.9B3568B64C7@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Oh My Lord! Where is tort reform (loser pays) when we need it? The only customers or prospects to whom Kinko's is a consideration, are those that we likely do not want. We want business customers who appreciate the value of their time to do those tasks at which they are skilled, leaving us to provide service, input and skill at a fair rate. Customers who have the time to shop around for penny savings, likely think, 'I don't care what it costs, but my policy is to buy the cheapest'. Let Kinko's have them. > Frankly I think there is a class action lawsuit in > here somewhere. I'm going to ask my brother-in-law. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From jedwards at printzilla.net Thu Jun 7 11:18:24 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Thu Jun 7 11:20:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing -Keeping Records (Thom Gulyas) In-Reply-To: <026e01c7a914$e2ad0b60$0301a8c0@RICK> References: <20070607130058.77E848B5E53@rb.enter.net> <000901c7a907$587ab350$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> <026e01c7a914$e2ad0b60$0301a8c0@RICK> Message-ID: <83A6F5C0-EA08-4716-9E92-3B246D49B178@printzilla.net> On Jun 7, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Rick Bird wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Umm... if we are passing out titles can I be Jesus Sure, in fact, that's a common name here. People will call you Chuy or Jesse for short. Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 11:21:09 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu Jun 7 11:21:11 2007 Subject: A question? Re: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0706070821u78c1eb8ew7a77299fd2d4fb76@mail.gmail.com> On 6/7/07, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > > Are we talking about a special button for transmitting files to FedEx Kinkos > added to Acrobat Professional and possibly other programs produced by Adobe, Yup. That's the way it looks. One of the "Print" options, I believe. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From brian at designotype.com Thu Jun 7 11:31:52 2007 From: brian at designotype.com (Brian Helminen) Date: Thu Jun 7 11:31:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] lost my fonts on mac pro Message-ID: <082a01c7a918$f989b7d0$6a01a8c0@brianspc> I opened a word for mac file from a customer which installed a trial version of word on my Mac Pro machine. later i opened an indesign file and most of the fonts were missing. then i checked quark and illustrator, same results. i uninstalled the trial version following the prompts. the fonts are all in my library, but don't show in the font list in each application. there are others there i don't recognize. is this from the word file, or did i mess something up somewhere else? several of my projects are at a standstill until someone (please) can help. thanks!! margaret Designotype Printers, Inc. 22950 Airpark Blvd. Calumet, MI 49913 906-482-2424 Fax 906-482-2266 www.designotype.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 11:31:58 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu Jun 7 11:32:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos In-Reply-To: References: <20070607142054.9B3568B64C7@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0706070831h694174dby182bfdeb866042d1@mail.gmail.com> On 6/7/07, Simon Sheers wrote: > > The only customers or prospects to whom Kinko's is a consideration, are > those that we likely do not want. We want business customers who > appreciate the value of their time to do those tasks at which they are > skilled, leaving us to provide service, input and skill at a fair > rate. I can only guess that you don't have a Kinko's nearby, Simon. Their advertising has bought them top-of-mind of a large market segment. In my experience, they have already become the de facto "print button" to large number of office staffers who have better things to do than to be aware of the range of other printers available to them. Kinko's has made it easy for them to know just who to call when they need something done. It's not about price, but about obliviousness to the alternatives and their potential benefits. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From greg at ajprinting.com Thu Jun 7 11:33:01 2007 From: greg at ajprinting.com (Greg Johnston) Date: Thu Jun 7 11:33:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos In-Reply-To: References: <20070607142054.9B3568B64C7@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070607082350.034a0848@ajprinting.com> Though I'm not going to disagree with the fact that most Kinkos customers are price shopping PITA's I would say that I'd love to have a chunk of their commercial accounts. I know that there is one account here locally that spends about $500-700K annually. I'd have to say that the local K store also isn't the "cheapest" by far and their service sucks. So why can't we get the business????? I know who their sales rep. is and she's a BIG part of why the customers stay there. I believe that she really takes good care of her customers. I'm sure this isn't the norm either nationwide, so I'll concentrate on customers who want to buy from us, who call us for jobs and service the hell out of them. At the same time I'll continue with my direct mail marketing, I'll guide my outside sales rep. about the types of accounts we want, who will buy from us at our price etc. At 08:16 AM 6/7/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Oh My Lord! >Where is tort reform (loser pays) when we need it? > >The only customers or prospects to whom Kinko's is a consideration, >are those that we likely do not want. We want business customers who >appreciate the value of their time to do those tasks at which they >are skilled, leaving us to provide service, input and skill at a fair rate. > >Customers who have the time to shop around for penny savings, likely >think, 'I don't care what it costs, but my policy is to buy the cheapest'. > >Let Kinko's have them. > >>Frankly I think there is a class action lawsuit in >>here somewhere. I'm going to ask my brother-in-law. > >Please reply to Simon Sheers at: > > >Sheer Graphics Inc. >47 Chestnut Avenue, >Westmont, IL 60559-1127 >Tel: (630) 654-4422 > >Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners Greg Johnston AJ Printing & Graphics 1350 Central Ave #1 Santa Rosa CA 95401 707.525.8600 Fax 707.525.8923 www.ajprinting.com e-mail: greg@ajprinting.com Ask me about how I can help you build your business with our direct mailing services for your marketing needs Authorized Adobe Service Provider Quark Authorized Output Provider From jedwards at printzilla.net Thu Jun 7 11:32:39 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Thu Jun 7 11:34:58 2007 Subject: A question? Re: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0706070821u78c1eb8ew7a77299fd2d4fb76@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0706070821u78c1eb8ew7a77299fd2d4fb76@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jun 7, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Michael Vogel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On 6/7/07, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: >> >> Are we talking about a special button for transmitting files to >> FedEx Kinkos >> added to Acrobat Professional and possibly other programs produced >> by Adobe, > > Yup. That's the way it looks. One of the "Print" options, I believe. Wouldn't be great if Publisher, Word and PowerPoint would do something like that. It would bring them to their knees. Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 11:37:03 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu Jun 7 11:37:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Tricrease Table Top Machine In-Reply-To: <1eb82f5b4f6f5f3e9aa8659f678fcec1@theprintingstore.com> References: <1eb82f5b4f6f5f3e9aa8659f678fcec1@theprintingstore.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0706070837i1e029f3fn41ddeda557a5a02@mail.gmail.com> On 6/7/07, Phil Barry wrote: > > Is anyone using the Tricrease table top machine for scoring and > perfing. Are you happy with it. Would you do it again, or would you > purchase something like the Morgana? You should be able to find plenty of input if you do an archive search on "tricreaser" and maybe "Morgana." It has been brought up here and elsewhere on numerous occasions. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From mike at arborprinting.com Thu Jun 7 11:42:33 2007 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Thu Jun 7 11:42:55 2007 Subject: A question? Re: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos References: <98f5b19a0706070821u78c1eb8ew7a77299fd2d4fb76@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00b001c7a91a$776fadc0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Yes Yes Yes! Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. www.arborprinting.com > Wouldn't be great if Publisher, Word and PowerPoint would do > something like that. It would bring them to their knees. > > Jack Edwards > Oak Ridge North, Texas > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Thu Jun 7 11:47:37 2007 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Thu Jun 7 11:46:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Virtual LPT Port for USB printer? In-Reply-To: <006401c7a910$0af22240$a50a0a0a@D5N31R91> References: <006401c7a910$0af22240$a50a0a0a@D5N31R91> Message-ID: <46682899.7020306@sugarloafprint.com> John Beery wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Ron, > > Share the printer then use the "net use" command to map lpt2 (unless your > system doesn't have a parallel port then you could use lpt1) to the shared > printer on the local system. > > John Beery > Harrisonburg Printing & Graphics > 755 Cantrell Ave. > Harrisonburg, VA 22801 > 540-434-4171 ext 101 > Thanks John I also that "MS Loopback Adaptor" No Go -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From sos at olympus.net Thu Jun 7 11:49:19 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu Jun 7 11:49:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos References: <20070607142054.9B3568B64C7@rb.enter.net> <98f5b19a0706070831h694174dby182bfdeb866042d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <008601c7a91b$693c5040$0300a8c0@DANIEL> they have already become the de facto "print button" to > large number of office staffers who have better things to do than to > be aware of the range of other printers available to them. Kinko's has > made it easy for them to know just who to call when they need > something done. It's not about price, but about obliviousness to the > alternatives and their potential benefits. ================ This is a very good point. People are busy, lazy, uninformed, whatever. They will naturally gravitate to a place like Kinko or Staples Easy Button, if that is all they know. This is a good thing. Because once you get your hooks into them. Once you have their art on file, their logo on file, etc. then they will just naturally call you. Then you become the easiest way to order printing. But you have to work at being easy to deal with. You have to make sure they have a familiarity with you and your company. Make sure they have your phone number, web address. Make sure your packaging is attractive and covered with your contact information. Pack your jobs with re-order slips. Etc. It isn't easy on our part to make it easy for them. But it works. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 11:53:38 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu Jun 7 11:53:45 2007 Subject: A question? Re: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos In-Reply-To: References: <98f5b19a0706070821u78c1eb8ew7a77299fd2d4fb76@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0706070853o2ecf8810na2127ee93ac7d640@mail.gmail.com> On 6/7/07, Jack Edwards wrote: > > Wouldn't be great if Publisher, Word and PowerPoint would do > something like that. It would bring them to their knees. Unless, as I would suspect, the file is converted to a pdf on the fly. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 12:10:57 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu Jun 7 12:11:04 2007 Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos In-Reply-To: <4667865B.3030006@danielsprinting.us> References: <4666DCFD.50007@copycats.com> <917d48083ec95cb798a43b39808309ab@mauiprintworks.com> <023701c7a8b6$a7f31b30$0602a8c0@user30eca33b96> <4667865B.3030006@danielsprinting.us> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0706070910j4690a86dr4a6a88515cf3ae8c@mail.gmail.com> On 6/7/07, Bill Creighton wrote: > > WTF, just concentrate on our biz - we don't want their > customers anyway. Concentrating on my biz involves, among other things, efforts to lure Kinko's customers who would be better served by us and whose business we do very much want. This generalization about Kinko's customers being undesirable is sour grapes and ridiculous. With all the varied technological and other incursions on "our turf," a tipping point is around the corner. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu Jun 7 12:32:13 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 7 12:32:21 2007 Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos Message-ID: In a message dated 6/7/2007 12:11:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com writes: This generalization about Kinko's customers being undesirable is sour grapes and ridiculous. I agree 100% with Michael's statement above. Most people on this list don't really have a very good handle on the types of customers that go to Kinkos. Trying to pigeon-hole Kinkos customers into one neat little box or description serves no purpose. Yes, they get some pain in the ass customers but so we all. They also get a fair number of customers who come to them for very specific reasons or past experiences or whatever, and it certainly isn't because Kinkos is the cheapest because they simply are not, and a lot of customers know that. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From paula at curryprint.com Thu Jun 7 12:30:54 2007 From: paula at curryprint.com (Paula Smith) Date: Thu Jun 7 12:32:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Die Cut Printing Blanks for Raffle Tickets / DoorKnob Hangers In-Reply-To: <060720071314.7556.466804D100011C4800001D8422007343640902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> References: <060720071314.7556.466804D100011C4800001D8422007343640902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <004401c7a921$390f7e00$9701a8c0@curry.local> > > Hi All, > > > > I am looking for a source for printing blanks for both 8 1/2 x 11 and 11 > x > > 17. For both raffle tickets and door knob hangers. > > > > Any help would be appreciated, > > Thanks, > > Ed Billiot > > Designercards > > 908 Front Street > > Morgan City, LA 70380 > > ed@designercard.com I use www.blanksusa.com. They have a pretty wide selection. Paula Smith Curry Printing & Copy Center 314 North Charles Street Baltimore, Maryland 21201 410.685.2679 410.685.1018 fax www.curryprint.com paula@curryprint.com "IMPOSSIBLE DEADLINES MET" From cpurvine1 at cox.net Thu Jun 7 12:40:19 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Thu Jun 7 12:40:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos In-Reply-To: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D5015490E@mail1.datapalette.local> References: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D5015490E@mail1.datapalette.local> Message-ID: <003501c7a922$895eebb0$0200a8c0@corapurvine> We also have My Order Desk and similar programs and doesn't it let customers print to our printer and send files to us. Of course it isn't all over the united states, but it does help keep our customers loyal to their community. Maybe we need to push our ability in this area also. JAT Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Thu Jun 7 12:45:46 2007 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Thu Jun 7 12:44:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Virtual LPT Port for USB printer? In-Reply-To: <02ed01c7a912$45d17990$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <46680DE9.7090009@sugarloafprint.com> <02ed01c7a912$45d17990$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <4668363A.5030407@sugarloafprint.com> Thanks Kelly I found another program called Dos2Usb that worked. Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We had a similar situation a couple years back(when we were still using our > old DOS based print and accounting software). The net use option didn't work > too well for us because of limited printer codes in our software, so I found > a software solution called Printfil (http://www.printfil.com/english.htm). > The initial configuration was a bit confusing, but after that it worked well > for us. > > Kelly Crom > Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. > > We've Moved!!! > 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 > Plymouth, MN 55441 > New Phone: (763)231-6970 > kellycrom@gmail.com > www.applied-graphics.com > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Sardo >> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:54 AM >> To: Print Owners >> Subject: [PrintOwners] Virtual LPT Port for USB printer? >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I just installed a new laser printer for the office and it is >> connected >> via a USB port on a XP Pro System. >> I have one old program that I use daily (It works so why fix it) that >> will only print to a LPT port >> >> Does anybody know of a virtual LPT port for a USB printer. >> >> I did a google and all I found was hardware, I need some type of >> software to do this >> >> TIA >> >> -- >> Ron Sardo >> Sugarloaf Print Shop >> mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com >> www.sugarloafprint.com >> 570-788-5099 . Fax: 570-788-6077 >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Thu Jun 7 13:47:09 2007 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Thu Jun 7 13:47:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen guinea pig...one year later Message-ID: That's how I labeled myself a year ago when I told the list that I got the iGen. Well, here's a quick snapshot: -average volume has tripled from 2005 levels witht the old Xerox 2060; we're at around 100,000 + 12 x 18s per month for the last 12 months with a range of 50 - 250K imps -selling prices have dropped around 10% - 15% from the 2060 days -we've enjoyed some luck by getting a few very large jobs just by virtue of having the iGen -it's opened some doors -it has not been easy building the business to this level especially with zero salespeople -we are still doing mostly "jobs" which is not good; variable print is really the key to repeat orders and profitability -we're going to try our hand at PURLs pretty soon with the Mindfire software -we'll be upgrading our web-to-print solution, Xerox iWay, with a new server and a new version of the software in an effort to jump-start those type of sales -summer heat is a big concern with the iGen even properly vented; upgrading the AC is about $20,000 -low humidity is a big problem with iGen in the winter; it costs money to get humidifiers with decent controls -it's not a perfect technology, but it's very good -we've saved a lot of downtime with operators doing maintenance Overall, it's been a good move. But we are nowhere near being out of the woods. But we're better than where we were one year ago. Don't buy an iGen, or an Indigo, or a NexPress without giving thought to the stress of the decision. In my case, I felt I could justify the acquisition based on current business and future projections (yes, it was borderline). But a month after the install, I had a huge case of "buyers regret". I never felt so financially overwhelmed. The stress was overwhelming. It passed, but it took a few very difficult months. I think I know why this happenned - I had never made a half million investment before. $200,000 was my biggest with Docutech back in 92. But this was much more, and I was also 15 years older with not much of a chance to recover if things went bad. So just a heads up - make sure you're in your financial comfort zone on these types of decisions even if they make sense on paper. At the end of the day, we are emotional creatures, not logical. You can't change the way we're wired. Anyway, I thought I owed the group an update. Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying From bgallagher at nbn.net Thu Jun 7 13:52:03 2007 From: bgallagher at nbn.net (Bob Gallagher) Date: Thu Jun 7 13:52:07 2007 Subject: A question? Re: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 6/7/07 9:26 AM, "QKCONSULT@aol.com" wrote: > Are we talking about a special button for transmitting files to FedEx Kinkos > added to Acrobat Professional and possibly other programs produced by Adobe, > or are we talking about an option on their web-based Adobe On-line services > to send files or what. > I just downloaded version 8.1 of Acrobat and under the file menu is an item to send the PDF to FedEx Kinko's. That gives a window with three buttons giving you access to the terms and conditions, frequently asked questions and send the file. Bob Gallagher Gallagher Printing, Inc. 601 W. Main Street Palmyra, PA 17078 717-838-1527 1-888-838-1527 Fax 717-838-5715 An Adobe Service Provider A Microsoft Publisher Provider Member, Adobe Solutions Network From jedwards at printzilla.net Thu Jun 7 14:04:30 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Thu Jun 7 14:06:46 2007 Subject: A question? Re: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0706070853o2ecf8810na2127ee93ac7d640@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0706070821u78c1eb8ew7a77299fd2d4fb76@mail.gmail.com> <98f5b19a0706070853o2ecf8810na2127ee93ac7d640@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <65C6A513-6995-4D46-9FAC-7804C4CA407D@printzilla.net> On Jun 7, 2007, at 10:53 AM, Michael Vogel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On 6/7/07, Jack Edwards wrote: >> >> Wouldn't be great if Publisher, Word and PowerPoint would do >> something like that. It would bring them to their knees. > > Unless, as I would suspect, the file is converted to a pdf on the fly. > OK, let me see if I understand the concept of how this works. A customer (my customer for instance) takes their normal tight deadline job and hits a button and a pdf automatically flies off to Kinkos. On the other end an employee of Kinkos takes the pdf, or sacks up dozens of pdfs, all just pieces of one single job, hammers away on them in Illustrator, InDesign, Photoshop, Pitstop and Acrobat and then when it finally becomes a workable file sends another pdf back to the customer who only then begins proofing, editing, swapping out pictures, changing colors and making suggestions. Or, just sends a revised collection of raw material back expecting another proof and it's back to square one while still expecting to meet the original deadline. I guess I don't see the advantage of the button. Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas From mail at myprinter.biz Thu Jun 7 14:27:14 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Thu Jun 7 14:26:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen guinea pig...one year later In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bernie - Thanks for your wonderful post on this topic. Some time ago when I was considering buying a DI, I likened the prospect to chaining one to my ankle, pushing it off into Biscayne Bay, then trying to tread water while building enough muscle to be strong enough to swim back to shore, with the DI doing its best to pull me under the entire time. I'm guessing that you'll find the analogy particularly apt. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Bernard Bahn Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:47 PM To: multiple recipients of Print Owners Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen guinea pig...one year later ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** That's how I labeled myself a year ago when I told the list that I got the iGen. Well, here's a quick snapshot: -average volume has tripled from 2005 levels witht the old Xerox 2060; we're at around 100,000 + 12 x 18s per month for the last 12 months with a range of 50 - 250K imps -selling prices have dropped around 10% - 15% from the 2060 days -we've enjoyed some luck by getting a few very large jobs just by virtue of having the iGen -it's opened some doors -it has not been easy building the business to this level especially with zero salespeople -we are still doing mostly "jobs" which is not good; variable print is really the key to repeat orders and profitability -we're going to try our hand at PURLs pretty soon with the Mindfire software -we'll be upgrading our web-to-print solution, Xerox iWay, with a new server and a new version of the software in an effort to jump-start those type of sales -summer heat is a big concern with the iGen even properly vented; upgrading the AC is about $20,000 -low humidity is a big problem with iGen in the winter; it costs money to get humidifiers with decent controls -it's not a perfect technology, but it's very good -we've saved a lot of downtime with operators doing maintenance Overall, it's been a good move. But we are nowhere near being out of the woods. But we're better than where we were one year ago. Don't buy an iGen, or an Indigo, or a NexPress without giving thought to the stress of the decision. In my case, I felt I could justify the acquisition based on current business and future projections (yes, it was borderline). But a month after the install, I had a huge case of "buyers regret". I never felt so financially overwhelmed. The stress was overwhelming. It passed, but it took a few very difficult months. I think I know why this happenned - I had never made a half million investment before. $200,000 was my biggest with Docutech back in 92. But this was much more, and I was also 15 years older with not much of a chance to recover if things went bad. So just a heads up - make sure you're in your financial comfort zone on these types of decisions even if they make sense on paper. At the end of the day, we are emotional creatures, not logical. You can't change the way we're wired. Anyway, I thought I owed the group an update. Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From armand at curryonline.com Thu Jun 7 14:29:20 2007 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Thu Jun 7 14:29:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0MKpCa-1HwMjb2jeb-0001bB@mrelay.perfora.net> Want to play a fun little game with people? Try name association. Come up with one or two word descriptions of products and services and ask the person to tell you what instantly comes to mind. Some I have used: Fast Food (McDonalds) Theme Park (Disney) Pizza (Pizza Hut) Gas Station (Mobil) Printing (Kinkos) Notice that I said PRINTING, not copies. Most people think Kinkos. They spend lots of money on advertising and it seems to work. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 12:32 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 6/7/2007 12:11:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com writes: This generalization about Kinko's customers being undesirable is sour grapes and ridiculous. I agree 100% with Michael's statement above. Most people on this list don't really have a very good handle on the types of customers that go to Kinkos. Trying to pigeon-hole Kinkos customers into one neat little box or description serves no purpose. Yes, they get some pain in the ass customers but so we all. They also get a fair number of customers who come to them for very specific reasons or past experiences or whatever, and it certainly isn't because Kinkos is the cheapest because they simply are not, and a lot of customers know that. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From clc at crownmax.com Thu Jun 7 14:36:20 2007 From: clc at crownmax.com (clc) Date: Thu Jun 7 14:31:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen guinea pig...one year later References: Message-ID: <000601c7a932$bee7f500$7201a8c0@Crown.local> Excellent post your sharing is appreciated. Charlie Counts CROWNMAX, Inc. 2301 Roxalana Road P O Box 234 Dunbar, WV 25064-0234 1-800-252-4011 -- Fax 304-744-8652 clc@crownmax.com www.crownmax.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernard Bahn" To: "multiple recipients of Print Owners" Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:47 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen guinea pig...one year later > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > That's how I labeled myself a year ago when I told the list that I got the > iGen. Well, here's a quick snapshot: > > -average volume has tripled from 2005 levels witht the old Xerox 2060; > we're > at around 100,000 + 12 x 18s per month for the last 12 months with a range > of 50 - 250K imps > -selling prices have dropped around 10% - 15% from the 2060 days > -we've enjoyed some luck by getting a few very large jobs just by virtue > of > having the iGen > -it's opened some doors > -it has not been easy building the business to this level especially with > zero salespeople > -we are still doing mostly "jobs" which is not good; variable print is > really the key to repeat orders and profitability > -we're going to try our hand at PURLs pretty soon with the Mindfire > software > -we'll be upgrading our web-to-print solution, Xerox iWay, with a new > server > and a new version of the software in an effort to jump-start those type of > sales > -summer heat is a big concern with the iGen even properly vented; > upgrading > the AC is about $20,000 > -low humidity is a big problem with iGen in the winter; it costs money to > get humidifiers with decent controls > -it's not a perfect technology, but it's very good > -we've saved a lot of downtime with operators doing maintenance > > Overall, it's been a good move. But we are nowhere near being out of the > woods. But we're better than where we were one year ago. Don't buy an > iGen, > or an Indigo, or a NexPress without giving thought to the stress of the > decision. In my case, I felt I could justify the acquisition based on > current business and future projections (yes, it was borderline). But a > month after the install, I had a huge case of "buyers regret". I never > felt > so financially overwhelmed. The stress was overwhelming. It passed, but it > took a few very difficult months. I think I know why this happenned - I > had > never made a half million investment before. $200,000 was my biggest with > Docutech back in 92. But this was much more, and I was also 15 years older > with not much of a chance to recover if things went bad. So just a heads > up - make sure you're in your financial comfort zone on these types of > decisions even if they make sense on paper. At the end of the day, we are > emotional creatures, not logical. You can't change the way we're wired. > > Anyway, I thought I owed the group an update. > > Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc > 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 > > Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | > bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com > > http://www.creativeimaginginc.com > Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 14:52:37 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu Jun 7 14:52:41 2007 Subject: A question? Re: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos In-Reply-To: <65C6A513-6995-4D46-9FAC-7804C4CA407D@printzilla.net> References: <98f5b19a0706070821u78c1eb8ew7a77299fd2d4fb76@mail.gmail.com> <98f5b19a0706070853o2ecf8810na2127ee93ac7d640@mail.gmail.com> <65C6A513-6995-4D46-9FAC-7804C4CA407D@printzilla.net> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0706071152h225dcb2t49963b69e502f2ce@mail.gmail.com> On 6/7/07, Jack Edwards wrote: > > On > the other end an employee of Kinkos takes the pdf, or sacks up dozens > of pdfs, all just pieces of one single job, hammers away on them in > Illustrator, InDesign, Photoshop, Pitstop and Acrobat and then when > it finally becomes a workable file sends another pdf back to the > customer who only then begins proofing, editing, swapping out > pictures, changing colors and making suggestions. > > I guess I don't see the advantage of the button. More head-in-the-sand thinking. Every time someone prints from an Adobe application, they'll see words to the effect of "Print at Kinko's." Every time. Pretty powerful. You'd see some advantage, and you'd take advantage, I think, if one of the choices in the pull-down menu of all Adobe products was a choice that said "Print: Send to Printzilla." -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From swiftyprinting at mac.com Thu Jun 7 14:59:45 2007 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Thu Jun 7 14:59:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen guinea pig...one year later In-Reply-To: <000601c7a932$bee7f500$7201a8c0@Crown.local> References: <000601c7a932$bee7f500$7201a8c0@Crown.local> Message-ID: On Jun 7, 2007, at 2:36 PM, clc wrote: >> Overall, it's been a good move. But we are nowhere near being out >> of the >> woods. But we're better than where we were one year ago. Don't buy >> an iGen, >> or an Indigo, or a NexPress without giving thought to the stress >> of the >> decision. In my case, I felt I could justify the acquisition based on >> current business and future projections (yes, it was borderline). >> But a >> month after the install, I had a huge case of "buyers regret". I >> never felt >> so financially overwhelmed. The stress was overwhelming. It >> passed, but it >> took a few very difficult months. I think I know why this >> happenned - I had >> never made a half million investment before. $200,000 was my >> biggest with >> Docutech back in 92. But this was much more, and I was also 15 >> years older >> with not much of a chance to recover if things went bad. So just a >> heads >> up - make sure you're in your financial comfort zone on these >> types of >> decisions even if they make sense on paper. At the end of the day, >> we are >> emotional creatures, not logical. You can't change the way we're >> wired. This is an understatement. I went through the same thought process after we got ours. We are a small shop and even though we have purchased equipment in the $250,000 range, never have we purchased such a large amount as the iGen. At any point before this I could have always walked away from the business and not be financially strapped. However the iGen was the first piece of equipment that changed this. it meant that retirement was not going to happen soon. It meant if things went bad I had a huge debt on my shoulders and bankruptcy would be the only way out. But perhaps it wasn't the price tag but rather the time of the purchase. When I started the business I didn't have a penny to my name. Failure was not something I was afraid of because there was nothing to lose. However after 25 years I have become comfortable to a way of life. I now have employees and a family to be responsible for. It is amazing how time, age and responsibility can weigh in on a decision. It was (is) like starting the business all over again, but this time with some experience. It has been an interesting 2 years since this decision. Thankfully it has become a good decision. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Thu Jun 7 15:21:43 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Thu Jun 7 15:23:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos In-Reply-To: <20070607180650.7D46C8B7A75@rb.enter.net> References: <20070607180650.7D46C8B7A75@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <2268d3b78571e3f2b2204cf5dfb0b255@sheergraphics.com> I do not recall any prospect or customer mentioning Kinko's as an alternative to us. We are focusing on improving our online ordering capability through Pagepath's My Order Desk which has served us well for several years. It's a coup for us when a customer places our print driver on his desktop and sends a job. Our customer's are spread across the country and by personal contact, not remote email (pick up the ph... ph... ph...'ng phone!) in conjunction with online capability, we build relationships. My only knowledge of Kinko's was yesterday during an interview with a prospective employee. She gave quite an interesting picture of what problems Kinko's employees find with customer supplied PDFs, Kinko generated online PDFs or native files. It's no different here - skills are needed to manufacture the printed item. Does every FedEx/Kinko's have those skills? Does every Kinko's pay in the single digits per hour and expect perfection? Does every Kinko's send out mailings of 5m or more to a central Kinko's facility for delayed delivery? Is every Kinko devoid of offset presses? There's always room for the independent merchandiser or service provider. In these Western suburbs of Chicago there are hundreds of small companies successfully competing with the nationwide grocery supermarkets, and the likes of Walmart or Trugreen. They provide knowledge, experience, thoughtful input - at least that's what I hope WE do! > In a message dated 6/7/2007 12:11:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com writes: > > This generalization about Kinko's customers > being undesirable is sour grapes and ridiculous. > > > I agree 100% with Michael's statement above. Most people on this list > don't > really have a very good handle on the types of customers that go to > Kinkos. > Trying to pigeon-hole Kinkos customers into one neat little box or > description > serves no purpose. Yes, they get some pain in the ass customers but > so we > all. They also get a fair number of customers who come to them for > very > specific reasons or past experiences or whatever, and it certainly > isn't because > Kinkos is the cheapest because they simply are not, and a lot of > customers know > that. > > John Stewart Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From sos at olympus.net Thu Jun 7 15:26:45 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu Jun 7 15:27:02 2007 Subject: A question? Re: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos References: Message-ID: <013001c7a939$c941ef40$0300a8c0@DANIEL> > I just downloaded version 8.1 of Acrobat and under the file menu is an > item > to send the PDF to FedEx Kinko's. That gives a window with three buttons > giving you access to the terms and conditions, frequently asked questions > and send the file. ===================== I tried it out. It uploaded the file fine, but the only paper choice I was given was Standard/Laser. There was no way to ask it to fold the flyer. I searched for the nearest location and it gave me Everett, which is across on the other side of Puget Sound, close as the Seagull flies maybe, but not one I would ever go to. There is one 50 miles down the road that is closest. Price was $178 dollars for 100 8.5 x 14 double sided, (although there was no indication that they knew that was the size.) Which is $0.89 per. Did not include tax, or shipping. I think my reaction as a customer would be "Yikes!" Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From sciesemier at pagepath.com Thu Jun 7 15:30:08 2007 From: sciesemier at pagepath.com (Steve Ciesemier) Date: Thu Jun 7 15:29:27 2007 Subject: A question? Re: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0706071152h225dcb2t49963b69e502f2ce@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0706070821u78c1eb8ew7a77299fd2d4fb76@mail.gmail.com><98f5b19a0706070853o2ecf8810na2127ee93ac7d640@mail.gmail.com><65C6A513-6995-4D46-9FAC-7804C4CA407D@printzilla.net> <98f5b19a0706071152h225dcb2t49963b69e502f2ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: -------------------------------------------- More head-in-the-sand thinking. Every time someone prints from an Adobe application, they'll see words to the effect of "Print at Kinko's." Every time. Pretty powerful. You'd see some advantage, and you'd take advantage, I think, if one of the choices in the pull-down menu of all Adobe products was a choice that said "Print: Send to Printzilla." -Michael -------------------------------------------- I'm surprised this has not been mentioned by anyone, but there have been print shops basically doing this since 1998. For example, I know that Chuck Pappas' customers (among others) have been using the method described since about 2000. Print: Arlington Swifty. Pretty powerful, indeed. True, Chuck's customers software does not come with Arlington Swifty set as a default "out of the box", but on the other hand Chuck's customers are not limited to Adobe's software for this capability either. FedEx/Kinko's advantage came at a price no other printer can likely afford. However, the advantage can be overcome for very little money as long as you have a relationship with customers and work with them. -Steve *********************************************************** Steve Ciesemier PagePath Technologies, Inc. 13 East Main Street Plano, IL 60545-1521 Phone & Fax: 630-689-4112 mailto:SCiesemier@pagepath.com http://www.pagepath.com MyOrderDesk - named Product of the Year by PrintImage International & Best of Breed by Xerox MyOrderDesk - Snag-Free print ready files, no matter the size. Eliminate frustration, spend more time winning & keeping customers, improve your profits. *********************************************************** From sciesemier at pagepath.com Thu Jun 7 15:34:59 2007 From: sciesemier at pagepath.com (Steve Ciesemier) Date: Thu Jun 7 15:34:20 2007 Subject: A question? Re: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos In-Reply-To: <013001c7a939$c941ef40$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <013001c7a939$c941ef40$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: ................................................ There was no way to ask it to fold the flyer. Price was $178 dollars for 100 8.5 x 14 double sided, (although there was no indication that they knew that was the size.) Which is $0.89 per. Did not include tax, or shipping. I think my reaction as a customer would be "Yikes!" -Dan Huntingford ................................................. This points out another advantage that you have Dan. Your customers can specify whatever production info is needed when they Print: SOS Printing, including folding (with or without interactive illustrations of the folding they choose). -Steve *********************************************************** Steve Ciesemier PagePath Technologies, Inc. 13 East Main Street Plano, IL 60545-1521 Phone & Fax: 630-689-4112 mailto:SCiesemier@pagepath.com http://www.pagepath.com MyOrderDesk - named Product of the Year by PrintImage International & Best of Breed by Xerox MyOrderDesk - Snag-Free print ready files, no matter the size. Eliminate frustration, spend more time winning & keeping customers, improve your profits. *********************************************************** From jdaghir at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 15:50:19 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Thu Jun 7 15:50:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen guinea pig...one year later In-Reply-To: References: <000601c7a932$bee7f500$7201a8c0@Crown.local> Message-ID: <83d5b9620706071250j477a4f60o5464ac4106b26027@mail.gmail.com> Chuck and Bernard, Thanks for sharing your experiences. I admire anyone with the guts to make an investment of that magnitude. And I'm admittedly a little envious of your toys. But I console myself with the thought that there's a lot of piece of mind that comes from a health checking account and low accounts payable. I wish you both continued success! -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com From lbaribeau at paragon-print.com Thu Jun 7 16:09:58 2007 From: lbaribeau at paragon-print.com (Linda Baribeau) Date: Thu Jun 7 16:05:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source? Message-ID: <000a01c7a93f$d3d8c0e0$042967d3@kp4> Good Afternoon, I was given an opportunity to quote on a project. It is a letterhead with 2 "Bend and Peel Cards" on the bottom of the sheet. These cards are actually membership cards that the organizatiton runs through their printer as people pay for membership. The back and front of the card are printed in a PMS color. I would be happy to fax it to someone for a "look see". Its hard to describe but I thought I would try Printowners sources first. Thanks so much. Linda Linda Baribeau Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc. 2041 West Mill Road Glendale, WI 53209 Ph. 414-332-2080 Fax 414-964-3299 From si at ria.net Thu Jun 7 16:06:15 2007 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Thu Jun 7 16:09:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen guinea pig...one year later In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070607130828.DF29C168@pop15.mta.everyone.net> Thanks, Bernie and Chuck, for the very informative iGen commentary! A couple of questions... What sort of monthly dollar volume do you have to run on these beasts to reach breakeven? I always assumed that an iGen operation would require an outside sales force and 2 shift operation to be profitable. Looks like I may be wrong, but your comments (and those of other iGen owners) would be of interest. Thanks again. Doug -- Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Thu Jun 7 16:20:01 2007 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Thu Jun 7 16:22:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] HP3500 In-Reply-To: References: <46680DE9.7090009@sugarloafprint.com><0MKp8S-1HwIeT2ojd-0002rD@mrelay.perfora.net><010301c7a910$fa388f10$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: <011601c7a941$39f144f0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Thanks for the information. We would be in the same boat as far as usage. How does the quality compare with what's out there now? Gord Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc 2105 Midland Ave Unit 14 Scarborough, ON M1P 3E3 Ph: 416 298 6996 Fax: 416 298 2771 www.xoxocyberprint.com gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of k_graham@hotmail.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 11:03 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] HP3500 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > Someone is offering me a wide format printer, HP3500, for $1200. I > appreciate any comments, good or bad. We have the 3000, same device without the postscript RIP. It has 2 types of ink, regular and UV available. My complaint is with the ink cartridges, we don't use it a lot and we always have trouble getting them started and they always go bad before we finish the bulk ink pack that goes with it. Also in the end we only ever used 36" wide material as our laminator is 40" so think hard before purchasing something capable of 4 feet as it takes more space as well. What I would like is a UV resistant inkjet which survives Non-Use without drying out, provides affordable supplies for low cost per square foot and includes a 36" color scanner - not asking for much eh. Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2316 (20070607) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Thu Jun 7 16:20:29 2007 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Thu Jun 7 16:22:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] HP3500 In-Reply-To: References: <46680DE9.7090009@sugarloafprint.com><0MKp8S-1HwIeT2ojd-0002rD@mrelay.perfora.net><010301c7a910$fa388f10$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: <011701c7a941$4af53220$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> I'll have to look into that Joe. Gord Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc 2105 Midland Ave Unit 14 Scarborough, ON M1P 3E3 Ph: 416 298 6996 Fax: 416 298 2771 www.xoxocyberprint.com gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Joe Dominick Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 12:04 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] HP3500 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Jun 7, 2007, at 7:34 AM, Gordon Watt wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Someone is offering me a wide format printer, HP3500, for $1200. I > appreciate any comments, good or bad. > > Thanks. > > Gord Watt > Xoxo Cyberprint Inc > 2105 Midland Ave Unit 14 > Scarborough, ON M1P 3E3 > Ph: 416 298 6996 > Fax: 416 298 2771 > www.xoxocyberprint.com > gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com > > > Main thing is to check on supplies. The ink and print heads for the HP2500 is getting hard to find. Joe Dominick Dominick's Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541-881-1121 fax 541-881-1599 http://www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com NEW! We are Ontario's ONLY Adobe Authorized Service Provider Microsoft Publisher File Welcome Here! Total Quality Printing using the Technology of Today! _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2316 (20070607) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From swiftyprinting at mac.com Thu Jun 7 16:33:15 2007 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Thu Jun 7 16:33:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen guinea pig...one year later In-Reply-To: <20070607130828.DF29C168@pop15.mta.everyone.net> References: <20070607130828.DF29C168@pop15.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: On Jun 7, 2007, at 4:06 PM, Doug Shelton wrote: > always assumed that an iGen operation would require an > outside sales force and 2 shift operation to be profitable. > Looks like I may be wrong, but your comments (and those of > other iGen owners) would be of interest. > It depends on the type of work you want to run on it. If you after volume, low pricing, and more volume then yo will need a sales force and a 2nd shift. To sit on the floor it costs you about $12,000 plus about another $2,000 in electricity. 30,000 clicks can a break even point at a selling price of about 49? to 59? per click. However this means you working for the machine. Once you reach 100,000 impressions you reach your comfort zone. You know the machine will be paid for and you will make money. You also lower your click cost from .04 to .016. Just like any other piece of equipment you want to look for specialty work. High end short run complicated pieces that would once go to a press to variable data work. If you stay away from selling on price you will find the work for it. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com From si at ria.net Thu Jun 7 16:34:58 2007 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Thu Jun 7 16:37:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source? In-Reply-To: <000a01c7a93f$d3d8c0e0$042967d3@kp4> References: <000a01c7a93f$d3d8c0e0$042967d3@kp4> Message-ID: <20070607133711.DF29C38F@pop15.mta.everyone.net> At 04:09 PM 6/7/2007, Linda Baribeau wrote: >I was given an opportunity to quote on a project. It is a letterhead >with 2 "Bend and Peel Cards" on the bottom of the sheet. These cards >are actually membership cards that the organizatiton runs through >their printer as people pay for membership. This is the kind of stuff that Ward/Kraft loves to do. http://www.wardkraft.com 1-877-873-5576 Doug -- Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From bob.weatherallprinting at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 16:36:27 2007 From: bob.weatherallprinting at gmail.com (Bob Lehman) Date: Thu Jun 7 16:39:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen guinea pig...one year later References: Message-ID: <005601c7a943$894fcd80$a100000a@wp.com> Bernie, Glad to hear you are doing so well with the I-Gen. What have your run lengths been averaging? Since you do not run offset I was wondering if you are finding it necessary to be competitive on longer runs; especially the "jobs". Is that why pricing has been reduced? Bob Lehman Weatherall Printing Co., Inc. P.O. Box 677 Tupelo, MS 38802 Ph 662-842-5284 Fax 662-844-4533 bob@weatherallprinting.com www.weatherallprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernard Bahn" To: "multiple recipients of Print Owners" Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 12:47 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen guinea pig...one year later > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > That's how I labeled myself a year ago when I told the list that I got the > iGen. Well, here's a quick snapshot: > > -average volume has tripled from 2005 levels witht the old Xerox 2060; > we're > at around 100,000 + 12 x 18s per month for the last 12 months with a range > of 50 - 250K imps > -selling prices have dropped around 10% - 15% from the 2060 days > -we've enjoyed some luck by getting a few very large jobs just by virtue > of > having the iGen > -it's opened some doors > -it has not been easy building the business to this level especially with > zero salespeople > -we are still doing mostly "jobs" which is not good; variable print is > really the key to repeat orders and profitability > -we're going to try our hand at PURLs pretty soon with the Mindfire > software > -we'll be upgrading our web-to-print solution, Xerox iWay, with a new > server > and a new version of the software in an effort to jump-start those type of > sales > -summer heat is a big concern with the iGen even properly vented; > upgrading > the AC is about $20,000 > -low humidity is a big problem with iGen in the winter; it costs money to > get humidifiers with decent controls > -it's not a perfect technology, but it's very good > -we've saved a lot of downtime with operators doing maintenance > > Overall, it's been a good move. But we are nowhere near being out of the > woods. But we're better than where we were one year ago. Don't buy an > iGen, > or an Indigo, or a NexPress without giving thought to the stress of the > decision. In my case, I felt I could justify the acquisition based on > current business and future projections (yes, it was borderline). But a > month after the install, I had a huge case of "buyers regret". I never > felt > so financially overwhelmed. The stress was overwhelming. It passed, but it > took a few very difficult months. I think I know why this happenned - I > had > never made a half million investment before. $200,000 was my biggest with > Docutech back in 92. But this was much more, and I was also 15 years older > with not much of a chance to recover if things went bad. So just a heads > up - make sure you're in your financial comfort zone on these types of > decisions even if they make sense on paper. At the end of the day, we are > emotional creatures, not logical. You can't change the way we're wired. > > Anyway, I thought I owed the group an update. > > Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc > 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 > > Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | > bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com > > http://www.creativeimaginginc.com > Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From craig at newhavenprint.com Thu Jun 7 16:48:17 2007 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Thu Jun 7 16:48:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen guinea pig...one year later In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070607204841.004418B87A7@rb.enter.net> > That's how I labeled myself a year ago when I told the list > that I got the iGen. Well, here's a quick snapshot: > Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc We're about to hit our 6 month mark with the iGen. Agreed, it's a lot of money, but it is an amazing machine. I was hoping to achieve 100,000 clicks a month by the end of our first year (we were averaging 30-40k on our 2060). Instead, we're averaging around 350,000 per month so far. It just took off from the first month. Xerox has a lot of marketing tools to help you build volume, but we've built our volume more on existing customers and variable data. I would guess about 25% of our clicks are variable at this point. We have some monthly jobs that were a challenge to figure out, but now are cake. You really need a strong database and mailing team to utilize it well. We've just gotten to the point where we're comfortable doing the entire print/sort/mail operations on the iGen. It's very cool to see pre-sorted 4-up postcards coming off the iGen ready to cut and put into the mailing trays. Like Bernie mentioned, there are environmental issues. We had to install a wall mounted (plumbed) humidifier during the winter. We'd get down to 10% humidity on really cold days and the iGen doesn't appreciate that. So far, so good with A/C this summer. We installed a larger than required A/C unit when we built the addition the iGen is in. As far as running more than one shift, that would be great if you can round up the work. We're not having any trouble running the volume we are on one shift. I would think you could easily run 5 to 600,000 a month with one operator if you have a lot of long runs. We cheat sometimes and load it up before we leave. That gives us an extra couple hours of labor-free running if we need it. Downtown is very minimal and we only see the Xerox service guy once or twice a month. Xerox does a good job training you to fix and maintain it yourself. Glad you're doing well Bernie and Chuck. Thanks for the advice when we were still considering the purchase. It's really changed our business for the better. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From keli at parchmentpress.net Thu Jun 7 16:49:28 2007 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Thu Jun 7 16:49:33 2007 Subject: A question? Re: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos In-Reply-To: <013001c7a939$c941ef40$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <013001c7a939$c941ef40$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <46686F58.7070307@parchmentpress.net> I tried it also! I uploaded a Bible file: 1838 sides - double sided - black/white They do not even have an option to bind it! Production price: $174.61 Volume discount: ($36.76) Estimated cost: *$137.85* AMAZING! Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Parchment Press is a Cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes Communities - To learn more about our community and what we are all about - please feel free to email me off list or visit our website at : http://www.twelvetribes.com Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >> I just downloaded version 8.1 of Acrobat and under the file menu is >> an item >> to send the PDF to FedEx Kinko's. That gives a window with three buttons >> giving you access to the terms and conditions, frequently asked >> questions >> and send the file. > ===================== > > I tried it out. It uploaded the file fine, but the only paper choice > I was given was Standard/Laser. There was no way to ask it to fold > the flyer. I searched for the nearest location and it gave me > Everett, which is across on the other side of Puget Sound, close as > the Seagull flies maybe, but not one I would ever go to. There is one > 50 miles down the road that is closest. > Price was $178 dollars for 100 8.5 x 14 double sided, (although there > was no indication that they knew that was the size.) Which is $0.89 > per. Did not include tax, or shipping. > I think my reaction as a customer would be "Yikes!" > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From acepm2 at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 17:21:09 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Thu Jun 7 17:21:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing -Keeping Records (Thom Gulyas) In-Reply-To: <000901c7a907$587ab350$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> References: <20070607130058.77E848B5E53@rb.enter.net> <000901c7a907$587ab350$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> Message-ID: Kathy, Yes, you are correct. I should have known this. Thank you, :) :) :) :) SPMG (Thom Gulyas) ACE Printing & Mailing On 6/7/07, Kathy Henry wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > SPMG: > > You said: > > "Are you telling us that you actually paid for all your mailings with > Amex? > I > know for a fact in my immediate areas (within about 200 mile radius) > dealing > with several USPS offices that you cannot use any type of credit card to > pay > for mail entered using a 3600 or 3602. However, that is not to be > construed > that you cannot purchase first class stamps (regular or presorted) for a > mailing across the front counter of the USPS and use a credit card. How > did > you do this?" > > No, we did not pay for the mailings with AmEx. The client paid us with > AmEx > to reimburse for postage paid by us. Again, if the client claims fraud, > you > have to have those statements to prove that you did, in fact, mail the > pieces. Arie's question can have two interpretations, one for the benefit > of > the Postal Service, and one for the benefit of the mailer proving they did > mail the pieces. > > The client paying with a credit card can charge back at any time, any > amounts, according to AmEx, which in my case, encompassed three years of > mailings, all paid for by the client with a credit card. > > Your only supporting documentation is the original, stamped, signed > paperwork with the cash register window receipt proving you did this. > > I am correct - as you should well know. > > > Kathleen Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing > kathy@mpcny.com > > 125 East First Street > PO Box 815 > Oswego, NY 13126 > (315) 343-3531 > (315) 343-3577 (fax) > (315) 532-0943 (cell) > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 04:54:32 -0400 > From: "Thom Gulyas" > Subject: Attn: Kathleen Henry ... was RE: [PrintOwners] RE: Mailing - > Keeping Records (Thom Gulyas) > To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > > Message-ID: <003301c7a8e1$77b8b490$672a1db0$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Kathy, > > Wow! I feel like I'm on stage at the moment. "While I normally bow to the > self proclaimed God of Mailing, Mr. Thomas Gulyas, I have to interject > here." Self proclaimed? :) Nawww.... 21 years of doing this stuff???? > Yeah.....but hey, if you want to kneel before Zod.... feel free! :) :) :) > > Actually, something caught my attention that you said here in your post > that > deserves some further examination. > > You said: > > "AmEx did not back us on anything, and it was the tale of the tape that > proved us right. We would have been on the hook for all of them, all paid > with AmEx, without proper documentation." > > Are you telling us that you actually paid for all your mailings with Amex? > I > know for a fact in my immediate areas (within about 200 mile radius) > dealing > with several USPS offices that you cannot use any type of credit card to > pay > for mail entered using a 3600 or 3602. However, that is not to be > construed > that you cannot purchase first class stamps (regular or presorted) for a > mailing across the front counter of the USPS and use a credit card. > > How did you do this? > > Obviously some clients will try to claim anything. Clients working a fraud > will work whatever they wish. Nothing you can do there. > > The question, as it was posed from my buddy Arie, was "how long do I need > to > keep this paperwork?" I understood him to be asking as if the USPS would > want to see it at a later time for some reason. This is only for a year. > If > you have clients trying to work a scam, then yes, you may want to scan to > disk and store them that way. > > If that was the basis of my buddy Arie's question, then Kathleen, you > would > in fact be correct. > > .....I have to get back on my pedestal now. > > Self Proclaimed Mailing God, > Thom Gulyas > > > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > 10 South Main Street > Berlin, Maryland 21811-1427 > > 410-641-3636 / FAX 410-641-1167 > Web Page: www.ACEPM.com > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/837 - Release Date: 6/6/2007 > 2:03 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Thu Jun 7 17:52:34 2007 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Thu Jun 7 17:52:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen guinea pig...one year later In-Reply-To: <005601c7a943$894fcd80$a100000a@wp.com> Message-ID: Hi Bob: I'd guess our average run to be 250 or so - not counting variable. One of the big jobs we did was 54,000 12 x 18 4/4 variable data job. So that's technically a run length of 1. We don't hold out too much hope for getting runs of 1000 or more sheets unless they need it same or next day. Pricing is down because that's just the trend in digital color and I can't escape it on every occassion. As far as doing "well", it's nice of you to say, but our business is still too erratic. We've done OK for the first year (our goal was to average 75,000 a month for the first year). One good thing about the iGen in our smaller size shop is that it energizes the business. It makes you strategize, work hard, get creative, and just plain think of the possibilities. By the way Bob, thanks again for the tip on Mindfire months ago. Even if it doesn't pan out for us (but I really think it will work out just fine), thanks for your help in this area. Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Bob Lehman Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 2:36 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] iGen guinea pig...one year later ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Bernie, Glad to hear you are doing so well with the I-Gen. What have your run lengths been averaging? Since you do not run offset I was wondering if you are finding it necessary to be competitive on longer runs; especially the "jobs". Is that why pricing has been reduced? Bob Lehman Weatherall Printing Co., Inc. P.O. Box 677 Tupelo, MS 38802 Ph 662-842-5284 Fax 662-844-4533 bob@weatherallprinting.com www.weatherallprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernard Bahn" To: "multiple recipients of Print Owners" Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 12:47 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen guinea pig...one year later > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > That's how I labeled myself a year ago when I told the list that I got the > iGen. Well, here's a quick snapshot: > > -average volume has tripled from 2005 levels witht the old Xerox 2060; > we're > at around 100,000 + 12 x 18s per month for the last 12 months with a range > of 50 - 250K imps > -selling prices have dropped around 10% - 15% from the 2060 days > -we've enjoyed some luck by getting a few very large jobs just by virtue > of > having the iGen > -it's opened some doors > -it has not been easy building the business to this level especially with > zero salespeople > -we are still doing mostly "jobs" which is not good; variable print is > really the key to repeat orders and profitability > -we're going to try our hand at PURLs pretty soon with the Mindfire > software > -we'll be upgrading our web-to-print solution, Xerox iWay, with a new > server > and a new version of the software in an effort to jump-start those type of > sales > -summer heat is a big concern with the iGen even properly vented; > upgrading > the AC is about $20,000 > -low humidity is a big problem with iGen in the winter; it costs money to > get humidifiers with decent controls > -it's not a perfect technology, but it's very good > -we've saved a lot of downtime with operators doing maintenance > > Overall, it's been a good move. But we are nowhere near being out of the > woods. But we're better than where we were one year ago. Don't buy an > iGen, > or an Indigo, or a NexPress without giving thought to the stress of the > decision. In my case, I felt I could justify the acquisition based on > current business and future projections (yes, it was borderline). But a > month after the install, I had a huge case of "buyers regret". I never > felt > so financially overwhelmed. The stress was overwhelming. It passed, but it > took a few very difficult months. I think I know why this happenned - I > had > never made a half million investment before. $200,000 was my biggest with > Docutech back in 92. But this was much more, and I was also 15 years older > with not much of a chance to recover if things went bad. So just a heads > up - make sure you're in your financial comfort zone on these types of > decisions even if they make sense on paper. At the end of the day, we are > emotional creatures, not logical. You can't change the way we're wired. > > Anyway, I thought I owed the group an update. > > Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc > 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 > > Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | > bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com > > http://www.creativeimaginginc.com > Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/837 - Release Date: 6/6/2007 2:03 PM From sos at olympus.net Thu Jun 7 18:18:03 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu Jun 7 18:18:17 2007 Subject: A question? Re: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos References: <013001c7a939$c941ef40$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <001f01c7a951$b7547880$0300a8c0@DANIEL> including folding (with or without interactive illustrations of the folding they choose). -Steve ==================== Once again, Huh? Interactive illustrations of folding? Where would that be? Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From sciesemier at pagepath.com Thu Jun 7 18:35:50 2007 From: sciesemier at pagepath.com (Steve Ciesemier) Date: Thu Jun 7 18:35:10 2007 Subject: A question? Re: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos In-Reply-To: <001f01c7a951$b7547880$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <013001c7a939$c941ef40$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <001f01c7a951$b7547880$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: .................................................. Once again, Huh? Interactive illustrations of folding? Where would that be? -Dan Huntingford ............................................... A "QwikVue" interactive illustration field is another type of field you can add to an online order form, Dan. Takes about 30 seconds to add one of these. We have them for Folding, or Binding, or Paper Stock, or Ink Color, all sorts of things. They help the customer better understand what they are specifying, and prevent mistakes. They can also make ordering from you more fun than the other guys (Kinko's or whoever). Like they say, a picture's worth a thousand words. Especially when trying to explain a gatefold vs. trifold to a non-printer! Take advantage of the 7am-10pm customer care we offer and have Joe or Mike walk you through it. It would probably take only a minute or two. We also cover this in our free training sessions for creating online order forms. -Steve *********************************************************** Steve Ciesemier PagePath Technologies, Inc. 13 East Main Street Plano, IL 60545-1521 Phone & Fax: 630-689-4112 mailto:SCiesemier@pagepath.com http://www.pagepath.com MyOrderDesk - named Product of the Year by PrintImage International & Best of Breed by Xerox MyOrderDesk - Snag-Free print ready files, no matter the size. Eliminate frustration, spend more time winning & keeping customers, improve your profits. *********************************************************** From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Thu Jun 7 18:45:32 2007 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Thu Jun 7 18:45:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen guinea pig...one year later In-Reply-To: <20070607204841.004418B87A7@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Craig: You are 'da man. And a good goal to shoot for; I'm happy for you. Chuck; it looks like the bar is 350,000. Of course when we get there (let's be optimistic), Craig will be at 700,000. If I could hit 350,000 a month, I think I'd be sending my emails from Zihautenjo 11 months a year. Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Craig Dellinger Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 2:48 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] iGen guinea pig...one year later ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > That's how I labeled myself a year ago when I told the list > that I got the iGen. Well, here's a quick snapshot: > Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc We're about to hit our 6 month mark with the iGen. Agreed, it's a lot of money, but it is an amazing machine. I was hoping to achieve 100,000 clicks a month by the end of our first year (we were averaging 30-40k on our 2060). Instead, we're averaging around 350,000 per month so far. It just took off from the first month. Xerox has a lot of marketing tools to help you build volume, but we've built our volume more on existing customers and variable data. I would guess about 25% of our clicks are variable at this point. We have some monthly jobs that were a challenge to figure out, but now are cake. You really need a strong database and mailing team to utilize it well. We've just gotten to the point where we're comfortable doing the entire print/sort/mail operations on the iGen. It's very cool to see pre-sorted 4-up postcards coming off the iGen ready to cut and put into the mailing trays. Like Bernie mentioned, there are environmental issues. We had to install a wall mounted (plumbed) humidifier during the winter. We'd get down to 10% humidity on really cold days and the iGen doesn't appreciate that. So far, so good with A/C this summer. We installed a larger than required A/C unit when we built the addition the iGen is in. As far as running more than one shift, that would be great if you can round up the work. We're not having any trouble running the volume we are on one shift. I would think you could easily run 5 to 600,000 a month with one operator if you have a lot of long runs. We cheat sometimes and load it up before we leave. That gives us an extra couple hours of labor-free running if we need it. Downtown is very minimal and we only see the Xerox service guy once or twice a month. Xerox does a good job training you to fix and maintain it yourself. Glad you're doing well Bernie and Chuck. Thanks for the advice when we were still considering the purchase. It's really changed our business for the better. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/837 - Release Date: 6/6/2007 2:03 PM From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Thu Jun 7 18:46:44 2007 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Thu Jun 7 18:46:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen guinea pig...one year later In-Reply-To: <20070607130828.DF29C168@pop15.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: I think Chuck's comments are pretty accurate. We'll be hiring a sales person soon; we haven't had one since May '06. I felt we could not afford one after he left because the iGen payments were starting. You're right though - I think a sales person(s)is pretty critical to success. You'd need to keep only 1 shift busy if you were doing variable work; 2 shifts if it's mostly "jobs". Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Doug Shelton Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 2:06 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] iGen guinea pig...one year later ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Thanks, Bernie and Chuck, for the very informative iGen commentary! A couple of questions... What sort of monthly dollar volume do you have to run on these beasts to reach breakeven? I always assumed that an iGen operation would require an outside sales force and 2 shift operation to be profitable. Looks like I may be wrong, but your comments (and those of other iGen owners) would be of interest. Thanks again. Doug -- Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/837 - Release Date: 6/6/2007 2:03 PM From si at ria.net Thu Jun 7 20:44:41 2007 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Thu Jun 7 20:46:58 2007 Subject: A question? Re: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070607174654.DF29C970@pop15.mta.everyone.net> At 09:26 AM 6/7/2007, John Stewart asked: >Are we talking about a special button for transmitting files to FedEx Kinkos >added to Acrobat Professional and possibly other programs produced by Adobe, >or are we talking about an option on their web-based Adobe On-line services >to send files or what. [?] Not Acrobat PRO, rather Adobe Reader, the free program that most folks use for their pdf documents. Lots of positive talk about this feature in the blogosphere over the past day or two. Sammy Klein's "ZenKatzen Times" out of Portland, OR has a good screen shot of the dropdown box in Adobe Reader... click on the image to enlarge: http://xrl.us/qpa/KinkoDirect.htm Doug -- Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From si at ria.net Thu Jun 7 20:55:38 2007 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Thu Jun 7 20:57:54 2007 Subject: A question? Re: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos In-Reply-To: <20070607174654.DF29C970@pop15.mta.everyone.net> References: <20070607174654.DF29C970@pop15.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <20070607175751.DF29C8BB@pop15.mta.everyone.net> At 08:44 PM 6/7/2007, I wrote: >Not Acrobat PRO, rather Adobe Reader, the free program that most >folks use for their pdf documents. Oops. Acrobat Pro 8.1 has the Kinko link as well as Adobe Reader. My bad! http://xrl.us/qpa/KinkoDirect.htm Doug -- Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com Thu Jun 7 23:19:22 2007 From: sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com (Travis Lewis) Date: Thu Jun 7 23:19:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Tricrease Table Top Machine In-Reply-To: <1eb82f5b4f6f5f3e9aa8659f678fcec1@theprintingstore.com> References: <1eb82f5b4f6f5f3e9aa8659f678fcec1@theprintingstore.com> Message-ID: <005e01c7a97b$d0fc0f80$72f42e80$@com> We recently purchased both the Tri-Creaser and Micro-Perforator for our MBO. Both work as advertised. I don't see why the table top version would be any different. Travis Lewis Date-Line Digital Printing -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Phil Barry Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:26 AM To: Printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Tricrease Table Top Machine ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Is anyone using the Tricrease table top machine for scoring and perfing. Are you happy with it. Would you do it again, or would you purchase something like the Morgana? Thanks, Phil The Printing Store 621 Madison Oak Park, IL 60302 708-383-3638 708-383-3982 fax www.theprintingstore.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From k_graham at hotmail.com Fri Jun 8 02:07:15 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Fri Jun 8 02:07:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] HP3500 References: <46680DE9.7090009@sugarloafprint.com><0MKp8S-1HwIeT2ojd-0002rD@mrelay.perfora.net><010301c7a910$fa388f10$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> <011601c7a941$39f144f0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: > Thanks for the information. We would be in the same boat as far as usage. > How does the quality compare with what's out there now? > > Gord Watt We only had the 3000 so I don't have a great lot to compare to but I am sure the quality has improved quite a bit from this. Here in Canada the UV cartridges are something like 200.00 each if not more, you need 4. I think HP only guarantees the cartridges 90 days from sale date so you kind of want to buy replacements the day the previous one dies which is a problem as no one wants to stock them. Hearing about these Canon Units at $5000.00 with supplies and warranty I doubt I would recommend a HP 3500, Iwould question what RIP if any is provided or does that add another 5000.00 to the Canon. We have a old Xerox 2510 we make copies with and I thought a Inkjet and 3 foot scanner would be an upgrade. No success finding a affordable scanner and as mentioned the inkjet has the print heads die before using all the ink, it turned into one of those get by investments but not an income investment, we have used it for signs and things but at more trouble than its worth. I look forward to the day when someone on this group will provide a solution, or maybe they have and I've ignored it. London drugs advertises 2x3 foot photos at about 30.00 or about 1/2 what I would feel necessary to charge. Just my guess but to get into this profitably I think maybe one needs to do things like vehicle wraps. Not something I am comfortable considering. Back to the profit makers, Xerox 240, BW Copiers, Press, even the Xerox 2510, 3 foot copier.. 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika From ron at printingconcepts.com Fri Jun 8 09:34:02 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Fri Jun 8 09:29:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Morgana Digifold & Finishing Digital Output Message-ID: We are looking at the Morgana Digifold. Does anyone on this list have any experience with this machine? Our rationale is as follows: Although we have a Windmill to score, and a small folder (Horizon air feed), our Heidelberg Windmill can be tied up perfing or die cutting a long job. We are installing a KM c6500 digital color printer and believe we do not want these small jobs even getting on the radar of our bindery foreman. The purported low skill level required and neglible overruns required for setup are making us think the Morgana might be a good move. We have a larger bindery (12 people) that can get busy with large jobs and want to keep super short runs out of their hair. Any comments on all aspects of how you finish digital would be welcomed. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "To each there comes in their lifetime a special moment when they are figuratively tapped on the shoulder and offered the chance to do a very special thing, unique to them and fitted to their talents. What a tragedy if that moment finds them unprepared or unqualified for that which could have been their finest hour." --Winston Churchill "When a nation has allowed itself to fall under a tyrannical regime, it cannot be absolved from the faults due to the guilt of the regime." --Winston Churchill Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From craig at newhavenprint.com Fri Jun 8 09:30:29 2007 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Fri Jun 8 09:30:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen guinea pig...one year later In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070608133054.754CD8BB9A1@rb.enter.net> > Chuck; it looks like the bar is 350,000. Of course when we > get there (let's be optimistic), Craig will be at 700,000. > If I could hit 350,000 a month, I think I'd be sending my > emails from Zihautenjo 11 months a year. > Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc That's the scary part Bernie. While it's true we're averaging a much higher volume than I anticipated for the first six months, how can we guarantee it will continue? We had one job that was 312,500 variable data letters, another perfect bound book that was 750 of 288 pages. Those types of jobs really raise the volume (and average), but you can't guarantee you'll have those every month. That's why we're trying to get our customers sold on these variable data mailings. It would be nice to have a solid monthly guaranteed base of 150-200,000 a month, then grow from there. By the way, Keith Kemp is averaging about 650,000 a month on his two iGen's, so we can all play catch up to him. ;-) Another fun part of this excursion into digital is that it's also brought more volume to our 5/color press. Anytime you have a new toy that brings people into the shop for tours and they say "I had no idea you could do that", you know it's a good day. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From cpurvine1 at cox.net Fri Jun 8 10:14:35 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Fri Jun 8 10:14:31 2007 Subject: A question? Re: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos In-Reply-To: <20070607174654.DF29C970@pop15.mta.everyone.net> References: <20070607174654.DF29C970@pop15.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <002b01c7a9d7$581c9740$0200a8c0@corapurvine> Maybe we should advertise that we are only a "Click" away also Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Doug Shelton Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 7:45 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: A question? Re: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** At 09:26 AM 6/7/2007, John Stewart asked: >Are we talking about a special button for transmitting files to FedEx >Kinkos added to Acrobat Professional and possibly other programs >produced by Adobe, or are we talking about an option on their >web-based Adobe On-line services to send files or what. [?] Not Acrobat PRO, rather Adobe Reader, the free program that most folks use for their pdf documents. Lots of positive talk about this feature in the blogosphere over the past day or two. Sammy Klein's "ZenKatzen Times" out of Portland, OR has a good screen shot of the dropdown box in Adobe Reader... click on the image to enlarge: http://xrl.us/qpa/KinkoDirect.htm Doug -- Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2318 (20070608) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From dstorrar at hrcommunications.ca Fri Jun 8 10:32:19 2007 From: dstorrar at hrcommunications.ca (Dan Storrar) Date: Fri Jun 8 10:32:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Morgana Digifold & Finishing Digital Output References: Message-ID: <003b01c7a9d9$d28298c0$2300a8c0@DAN> We have had a Morgana Junior for 4 years which we bought for digital and smaller jobs. The plusses are that it handles the static buildup from digital very very well. It sets up so quickly with very little waste and we can have a thousand pieces finished faster than we can set up our Baum. The digital read out is so easy to use (even I can do it) and for such a small machine it is very fast. The negatives are that you really have to remember that it is not a production machine and you cant treat it as one. We have had more service calls than i think is appropriate and they are primarily for the micro switches not staying accurate or in alignment. All in all, given the price tag and the convenience I think it was a good buy, and our bindery guy certainly appreciated the fact that he didn't have to deal with the small finicky jobs. Hope it helps. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Taggart" To: "printowners" Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 9:34 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Morgana Digifold & Finishing Digital Output > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are looking at the Morgana Digifold. Does anyone on this list have any > experience with this machine? > > Our rationale is as follows: Although we have a Windmill to score, and a > small folder (Horizon air feed), our Heidelberg Windmill can be tied up > perfing or die cutting a long job. We are installing a KM c6500 digital > color printer and believe we do not want these small jobs even getting on > the radar of our bindery foreman. The purported low skill level required > and neglible overruns required for setup are making us think the Morgana > might be a good move. > > We have a larger bindery (12 people) that can get busy with large jobs and > want to keep super short runs out of their hair. > > Any comments on all aspects of how you finish digital would be welcomed. > > > > > > > Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear > below > should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner > a > statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the > general > edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. > > "To each there comes in their lifetime a special moment when they are > figuratively tapped on the shoulder and offered the chance to do a very > special thing, unique to them and fitted to their talents. What a tragedy > if that moment finds them unprepared or unqualified for that which could > have been their finest hour." --Winston Churchill > > "When a nation has allowed itself to fall under a tyrannical regime, it > cannot be absolved from the faults due to the guilt of the > regime." --Winston Churchill > > > Ron Taggart, President > PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. > 4246 Hudson Drive > Stow, Ohio 44224 > 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 > www.printingconcepts.com > ron@printingconcepts.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From robin at protypeonline.com Fri Jun 8 11:16:59 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Fri Jun 8 11:16:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Copier Proposals Message-ID: <72B34D48-30EF-4E47-AD85-F640A74C678C@protypeonline.com> I have a two copier proposals on my desk right now -- received from Ikon. I receive GREAT service from our area Ikon dealer. Canon iR7095 with ImagePass S2 rip, bookletmaker, cover inserter, doc feeder, large capacity paper deck: $30,567 with click charges of $0.00595 locked for 3 years and no monthly minimums. My reaction -- this is high. What do you think? Ohhhh, I forgot -- this INCLUDES them taking my iR105 with similar equipment and 12 million copies in on a trade. Second proposal for a CPP 650 color machine: $40,890 with EFI S450 External rip, EFI ES 1000 spectrometer, doc feeder, NO finisher, NO large capacity paper drawers Click charge is $0.0475 locked for 3 years. AND, IF I want them to service and cover the rip: $65/month additional fee. Again ... why am I so UNDERwhelmed? Just tired and cranky or this is NOT a great deal? Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Fri Jun 8 11:41:51 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Fri Jun 8 11:43:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Copier Proposals In-Reply-To: <72B34D48-30EF-4E47-AD85-F640A74C678C@protypeonline.com> References: <72B34D48-30EF-4E47-AD85-F640A74C678C@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: Beware of the non-Canon machines. Our IKON guys were great service techs on Canons. We switched to a Ricoh B&W and Konica color from IKON and service has been pretty bad to terrible. In my case, I believe they got into others lines of machines and the training isn't there, at least for the 22 months I've had the machines. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 10:17 AM To: printowners printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Copier Proposals ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a two copier proposals on my desk right now -- received from Ikon. I receive GREAT service from our area Ikon dealer. Canon iR7095 with ImagePass S2 rip, bookletmaker, cover inserter, doc feeder, large capacity paper deck: $30,567 with click charges of $0.00595 locked for 3 years and no monthly minimums. My reaction -- this is high. What do you think? Ohhhh, I forgot -- this INCLUDES them taking my iR105 with similar equipment and 12 million copies in on a trade. Second proposal for a CPP 650 color machine: $40,890 with EFI S450 External rip, EFI ES 1000 spectrometer, doc feeder, NO finisher, NO large capacity paper drawers Click charge is $0.0475 locked for 3 years. AND, IF I want them to service and cover the rip: $65/month additional fee. Again ... why am I so UNDERwhelmed? Just tired and cranky or this is NOT a great deal? Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.186) Database version: 5.07470 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.186) Database version: 5.07470 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From dcarlile at printfresno.com Fri Jun 8 11:56:59 2007 From: dcarlile at printfresno.com (Doug Carlile) Date: Fri Jun 8 11:57:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Copier Proposals In-Reply-To: <72B34D48-30EF-4E47-AD85-F640A74C678C@protypeonline.com> References: <72B34D48-30EF-4E47-AD85-F640A74C678C@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <20070608155704.C234C8BC2A9@rb.enter.net> Robin, I also have two copier proposals on my desk from Ikon for the same equipment and we would also be trading in a 105 with about 14MM clicks. 11x17 at 1 click on both. 7095 with S1 Rip, large capacity paper deck, finisher with stapling and punching, bookletmaker with saddle stitch, and cover inserter at a price of 27,836 and 200M clicks for 800 with all overs at .004. 7105 with same equipment priced at 34,336 and same service cost. These are their first quotes. I assume that they will improve these offers. Doug Carlile Professional Print & Mail Fresno, CA At 08:16 AM 6/8/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I have a two copier proposals on my desk right now -- received from >Ikon. I receive GREAT service from our area Ikon dealer. >Canon iR7095 with ImagePass S2 rip, bookletmaker, cover inserter, doc >feeder, large capacity paper deck: $30,567 with click charges of >$0.00595 locked for 3 years and no monthly minimums. My reaction -- >this is high. What do you think? Ohhhh, I forgot -- this INCLUDES >them taking my iR105 with similar equipment and 12 million copies in >on a trade. > >Second proposal for a CPP 650 color machine: $40,890 with EFI S450 >External rip, EFI ES 1000 spectrometer, doc feeder, NO finisher, NO >large capacity paper drawers >Click charge is $0.0475 locked for 3 years. AND, IF I want them to >service and cover the rip: $65/month additional fee. > >Again ... why am I so UNDERwhelmed? Just tired and cranky or this is >NOT a great deal? > > >Robin Niewold >Pro-Type Printing >130 N. Market Street >Paxton, IL 60957 >217.379.4715 >robin@protypeonline.com > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Fri Jun 8 12:17:23 2007 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Fri Jun 8 12:17:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] iGen guinea pig...one year later In-Reply-To: <20070608133054.754CD8BB9A1@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: I guess we're all looking for more monthly/quarterly mailings, transactional documents like statements, web-to-print type situations. Then you can turn the calendar to the next month and not be so concerned. I'd be very happy with a guaranteed base of 100,000 every month and then have an opportunity to build onto that with "jobs". I didn't realize Keith's volume was so high; last year I thought he was averaging about 400,000 total. Keith and his partner were very helpful to me when I was grappling with my decision. And Chuck really helped with his insight and time. In the end though, it's all up to us. Still Craig, congrats on a great start, and I'll continue to plug away. We have an opportunity to propose on a web-to-print opportunity of about $150,000 a year - all color. That'd help. These opportunites are out there, but this is where a salesperson comes into play. I hope to be interviewing in two weeks. Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Craig Dellinger Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 7:30 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] iGen guinea pig...one year later ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > Chuck; it looks like the bar is 350,000. Of course when we > get there (let's be optimistic), Craig will be at 700,000. > If I could hit 350,000 a month, I think I'd be sending my > emails from Zihautenjo 11 months a year. > Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc That's the scary part Bernie. While it's true we're averaging a much higher volume than I anticipated for the first six months, how can we guarantee it will continue? We had one job that was 312,500 variable data letters, another perfect bound book that was 750 of 288 pages. Those types of jobs really raise the volume (and average), but you can't guarantee you'll have those every month. That's why we're trying to get our customers sold on these variable data mailings. It would be nice to have a solid monthly guaranteed base of 150-200,000 a month, then grow from there. By the way, Keith Kemp is averaging about 650,000 a month on his two iGen's, so we can all play catch up to him. ;-) Another fun part of this excursion into digital is that it's also brought more volume to our 5/color press. Anytime you have a new toy that brings people into the shop for tours and they say "I had no idea you could do that", you know it's a good day. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/838 - Release Date: 6/7/2007 2:21 PM From rstor at copycats.com Fri Jun 8 12:29:42 2007 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Fri Jun 8 12:31:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source? In-Reply-To: <000a01c7a93f$d3d8c0e0$042967d3@kp4> References: <000a01c7a93f$d3d8c0e0$042967d3@kp4> Message-ID: <466983F6.2050504@copycats.com> Xerox sells both blank and printed stock like this, which can be imprinted. My guess is that they are not cheap, but you should talk to your Xerox supply rep about it. Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Linda Baribeau wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Good Afternoon, > > I was given an opportunity to quote on a project. It is a letterhead with 2 "Bend and Peel Cards" on the bottom of the sheet. These cards are actually membership cards that the organizatiton runs through their printer as people pay for membership. The back and front of the card are printed in a PMS color. I would be happy to fax it to someone for a "look see". Its hard to describe but I thought I would try Printowners sources first. Thanks so much. > > Linda > Linda Baribeau > Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc. > 2041 West Mill Road > Glendale, WI 53209 > Ph. 414-332-2080 Fax 414-964-3299 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From jdowning at libertygrouponline.com Fri Jun 8 13:35:20 2007 From: jdowning at libertygrouponline.com (Joy Downing) Date: Fri Jun 8 12:39:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source? References: <000a01c7a93f$d3d8c0e0$042967d3@kp4> <466983F6.2050504@copycats.com> Message-ID: <04ea01c7a9f3$62ff6400$1401a8c0@JOY2> I saw samples of an item like this that even had laminate avialable. It was pretty impressive. Wardkraft was the company. Maybe you could give them that as an option as well. Joy Downing The Liberty Group Bowling Green, KY 270-782-7829 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Stor" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Source? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Xerox sells both blank and printed stock like this, which can be > imprinted. My guess is that they are not cheap, but you should talk to > your Xerox supply rep about it. > > Bob Stor > Copycats > New York, NY > 212-557-2111 x20 > www.copycats.com > > Linda Baribeau wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Good Afternoon, >> >> I was given an opportunity to quote on a project. It is a letterhead with >> 2 "Bend and Peel Cards" on the bottom of the sheet. These cards are >> actually membership cards that the organizatiton runs through their >> printer as people pay for membership. The back and front of the card are >> printed in a PMS color. I would be happy to fax it to someone for a "look >> see". Its hard to describe but I thought I would try Printowners sources >> first. Thanks so much. >> >> Linda >> Linda Baribeau >> Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc. >> 2041 West Mill Road >> Glendale, WI 53209 >> Ph. 414-332-2080 Fax 414-964-3299 >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Fri Jun 8 12:45:16 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Fri Jun 8 12:47:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Collator recommendations please Message-ID: <7ce672fda6640caf19a496126cf6c4ed@sheergraphics.com> Does anybody have a recommendation for a collator? We likely want an airfed 10-12 station machine with maximum sheet size 14" x 20" and a minimum sheet size 5-1/2" x 8-1/2". Ideally, we would keep it on a cart or dolly to move it out of the way when not needed. Boy, is today busy! Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From slb at inkspot.net Fri Jun 8 13:16:36 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Fri Jun 8 13:16:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Copier Proposals In-Reply-To: <72B34D48-30EF-4E47-AD85-F640A74C678C@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <466956B4.32109.85D11B1@slb.inkspot.net> Robin, If you're one of Larry Hunt's subscribers, he'll review the quotes based on the data he's accumulated, and give you his thoughts. When he's done it for me, he's asked that I fax or email the data, and then we've talked on the phone. Have you compared the CPP650 pricing with the (recently replaced) old PII pricing? Steve > > I have a two copier proposals on my desk right now -- received from > Ikon. I receive GREAT service from our area Ikon dealer. > Canon iR7095 with ImagePass S2 rip, bookletmaker, cover inserter, doc > feeder, large capacity paper deck: $30,567 with click charges of > $0.00595 locked for 3 years and no monthly minimums. My reaction -- > this is high. What do you think? Ohhhh, I forgot -- this INCLUDES > them taking my iR105 with similar equipment and 12 million copies in > on a trade. > > Second proposal for a CPP 650 color machine: $40,890 with EFI S450 > External rip, EFI ES 1000 spectrometer, doc feeder, NO finisher, NO > large capacity paper drawers > Click charge is $0.0475 locked for 3 years. AND, IF I want them to > service and cover the rip: $65/month additional fee. > > Again ... why am I so UNDERwhelmed? Just tired and cranky or this is > NOT a great deal? > > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2318 (20070608) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From gailscott at eos.net Fri Jun 8 13:56:39 2007 From: gailscott at eos.net (Gail & Scott Finke) Date: Fri Jun 8 14:16:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Staples (was A coup for Kinkos) In-Reply-To: <002b01c7a9d7$581c9740$0200a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: Staples is offering b&w and color digital business cards. The color cards are $39.99 for 100, with another 100 free. You design them at the desk, on a designated computer, using a template. Our Staples has a bunch of sample cards and they are all crooked! But you can pick one up at the door and see for yourself that they are thick and glossy. The idea is obviously to do what VistaPrint does. They also offer design services for custom cards, I didn't see how much that was. I went there today to buy a camera accessory and saw that they also had nicely designed color fliers featuring the "easy button" telling you how to upload files to their website, obviously to compete with Kinkos. Why did I got to Staples instead of a camera store? There is one close to me, and the camera stores are far away: Note bene. There are no Kinkos anywhere near this Staples either. The Staples copy departments I have seen are very attractive, clean and uncluttered, with easy-to-use ordering, clear descriptive graphics, and uniformed and helpful employees. It seems to me that we should strive for the same. Gail Finke ----------------- Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 513-522-2679 info@brentwood-printing.com From sos at olympus.net Fri Jun 8 18:29:37 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri Jun 8 18:29:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] A coup for Kinkos References: <20070607174654.DF29C970@pop15.mta.everyone.net> <20070607175751.DF29C8BB@pop15.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <001e01c7aa1c$7fbe69a0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> For those who wanted to contact Adobe about their Kinko's connection here is what Acrobat specialist Leonard has to say about it: " I believe that there is a feedback area on Adobe.com somewhere. Those report gets funneled to the correct people." posted By: "Leonard Rosenthol" He sounds very concerned about it, doesn't he. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From dominick at fmtc.com Sat Jun 9 18:49:36 2007 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Joe Dominick) Date: Sat Jun 9 17:54:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mac Word Help Message-ID: <95e22c199459d9f43324b7379c4e2bcc@fmtc.com> I recently mail merged a file (excel) into Mac Word, and it took 24 hours to print 3500 pages. Can anyone give me shortcuts/tips to make it print like it does on the PC? The PC only took 35 minutes to print the file, last month. Why not use my PC, - 'cause it is dead, and I don't have a new one yet. Got to get this job out Tuesday afternoon. Thanks Joe Dominick Dominick's Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541-881-1121 fax 541-881-1599 http://www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com NEW! We are Ontario's ONLY Adobe Authorized Service Provider Microsoft Publisher File Welcome Here! Total Quality Printing using the Technology of Today! From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Sat Jun 9 18:11:07 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:11:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Any comments on all aspects of how you finish digital would be welcomed. Message-ID: We use our offset bindery equipment for digital as well. I have been confused by those who think they need special equipment to eliminate 'cracking' when folding. I can only figure the paper they are using isn't made for digital, or they are running cross grain, or maybe older digital machines. We score/perf cardstock with a Rosback, fold coated/uncoated brochures (unscored) with a table top Baum. We did get 1 machine for both digital AND offset: slitter for business cards. The slitter certainly keeps that clutter away from the big cutter. Yee Haw.........came in first place in today's team golf tournament! Larry Desert Pacific Tucson Message: 3 Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 09:34:02 -0400 From: "Ron Taggart" > Subject: [PrintOwners] Morgana Digifold & Finishing Digital Output To: "printowners" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" We are looking at the Morgana Digifold. Does anyone on this list have any experience with this machine? Our rationale is as follows: Although we have a Windmill to score, and a small folder (Horizon air feed), our Heidelberg Windmill can be tied up perfing or die cutting a long job. We are installing a KM c6500 digital color printer and believe we do not want these small jobs even getting on the radar of our bindery foreman. The purported low skill level required and neglible overruns required for setup are making us think the Morgana might be a good move. We have a larger bindery (12 people) that can get busy with large jobs and want to keep super short runs out of their hair. Any comments on all aspects of how you finish digital would be welcomed. From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Sat Jun 9 18:36:13 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:36:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Kinko's PDF Killer Message-ID: Hello, this has always been a simple 'David & Goliath' issue with me. Every time the 'big box' price or management issue presents itself on the list, I see it as large businesses running their companies as best they can, utilizing partnerships, size, etc. to their advantage, and hopefully (for them) increasing their sales/profits. Just like you and I. Everyone thought Goliath was too big to 'hit'. David thought Goliath was too big to 'miss'. I don't see any problem here. I'd rather compete against them than against a hard headed mom/pop shop who chooses to muddy the waters with goofy managing skills....or worse, a mom/pop with excellent management skills. Regards, Larry DPP Tucson From si at ria.net Sat Jun 9 22:11:08 2007 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Sat Jun 9 22:13:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Kinko's PDF Killer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070609191324.DF283499@pop15.mta.everyone.net> At 06:36 PM 6/9/2007, Eat'n'SleepGolfLarry proclaimed: >I'd rather compete against them [Kinko's] than against a hard headed >mom/pop shop who chooses to muddy the waters with goofy managing >skills....or worse, a mom/pop with excellent management skills. Heh heh. Check this one out Larry -- a 29 year old marketing "professional" who loves the Kinko's experience so much she even assists the clients when the Kinkoids are incapacitated... http://tinyurl.com/68m5/GluttonForPunishment.htm Doug -- Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From printmail at goinsty.com Sun Jun 10 12:52:23 2007 From: printmail at goinsty.com (Rob Meier) Date: Sun Jun 10 12:52:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Postage Meters? In-Reply-To: <20070609191324.DF283499@pop15.mta.everyone.net> References: <20070609191324.DF283499@pop15.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <466C2C47.4010702@goinsty.com> I've been using a postage meter for years for small packages and am wondering if I'm throwing money down the drain by renting the meter. I really only run about $1500 a year through it - I use stamps for letters. Are there internet based options that bypass the meter? Thanks, Rob Meier -- _____________________________ Insty-Prints 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-1959 phone (800) 258-8122 toll free (715) 835-7078 fax goinsty@goinsty.com _____________________________ Star Marking - Rubber Stamps 2425 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-4001 phone (800) 634-4002 toll free (715) 835-7078 fax stamps@starmarking.com From jedwards at printzilla.net Sun Jun 10 13:21:26 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Sun Jun 10 13:23:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mac Word Help In-Reply-To: <95e22c199459d9f43324b7379c4e2bcc@fmtc.com> References: <95e22c199459d9f43324b7379c4e2bcc@fmtc.com> Message-ID: On Jun 9, 2007, at 5:49 PM, Joe Dominick wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I recently mail merged a file (excel) into Mac Word, and it took 24 > hours to print 3500 pages. > > Can anyone give me shortcuts/tips to make it print like it does on > the PC? The PC only took 35 minutes to print the file, last month. > My issue with opening PC Word files on my Mac is with fonts. Even when you open all the MS fonts that came with Office for Mac there are still problems, problems that don't appear when the files are opened on a PC. I think the Mac version of Word wasn't intended for opening PC files. I think that when they came up with Word for Mac they envisioned that somewhere someplace people in offices might use Macs for everyday business use just like a PC and Word would be just fine. Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas From k_graham at hotmail.com Sun Jun 10 13:27:15 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Sun Jun 10 13:27:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Postage Meters? References: <20070609191324.DF283499@pop15.mta.everyone.net> <466C2C47.4010702@goinsty.com> Message-ID: We can through the Canada Post in Canada. Over a certain volume you can have a charge account, below that they require a credit card at time of transaction. We print out a slip from our laser printer for each package which has the postage, address and delivery information. Plus 2 slips to be signed on dropping off at the post office, one for us one for them. The postoffice provides clear envelopes marked Canada Post to insert the slip in for attaching to the package. It's possible to track a package within the country but not to the U.S. or overseas. For regular envelopes we keep a roll of stamps. Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika From k_graham at hotmail.com Sun Jun 10 13:42:34 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Sun Jun 10 13:43:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mac Word Help References: <95e22c199459d9f43324b7379c4e2bcc@fmtc.com> Message-ID: >> >> I recently mail merged a file (excel) into Mac Word, and it took 24 >> hours to print 3500 pages. >> >> Can anyone give me shortcuts/tips to make it print like it does on the >> PC? The PC only took 35 minutes to print the file, last month. >> Just a guess but on the PC one has a couple methods of sending files. Not sure if I have the correct terminology but when setting a port for the print queue it is more or less direct, port 9100 or some such thing. I have view the ports at work for a definitive answer. Alternatively to hold Queue requires LPR enabled which I think is a Unix service and slower. When printing to the Doc12 the Unix method was slower. ThereforeI don't think you can speed up from the Mac in this method as it would use the Unix method. On the other hand newer Fiery's have Gigabit network cards so installing a Gigabit switch might make a difference as Macs have Gigabit ethernet adapters stock for a theoretical 10 times speed increase. Last thought is even on the PC's sometimes sending multiple pages of same item has certain Microsoft programs wanting to send the file numerous times. I know turn collate off in the program driver and on in theFiery driver. Or better send once from the program then set quantity in command workstation and print the rest. Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika From keli at parchmentpress.net Sun Jun 10 17:00:31 2007 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Sun Jun 10 17:00:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lamination for digitally printed covers Message-ID: <466C666F.3040100@parchmentpress.net> Hello. Does anyone have a GREAT source for extra aggressive adhesive lamination? We print with our Xerox Doc 12 and Workcentre 7655 - digital covers - 90# Mohawk gloss. They are full bleed and the lamination peels off after minimal use.. Any advise? We have tried D and K Superstick but that is what I am referring to - It peels off! thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Parchment Press is a Cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes Communities - To learn more about our community and what we are all about - please feel free to email me off list or visit our website at : http://www.twelvetribes.com From mflash at paragonpress.net Sun Jun 10 17:21:34 2007 From: mflash at paragonpress.net (mflash@paragonpress.net) Date: Sun Jun 10 17:21:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lamination for digitally printed covers In-Reply-To: <466C666F.3040100@parchmentpress.net> References: <466C666F.3040100@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: <780758320-1181510484-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-842500553-@bxe020.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> He is out Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless handheld -----Original Message----- From: Keli of Coxsackie Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 17:00:31 To:Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Lamination for digitally printed covers ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hello. Does anyone have a GREAT source for extra aggressive adhesive lamination? We print with our Xerox Doc 12 and Workcentre 7655 - digital covers - 90# Mohawk gloss. They are full bleed and the lamination peels off after minimal use.. Any advise? We have tried D and K Superstick but that is what I am referring to - It peels off! thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Parchment Press is a Cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes Communities - To learn more about our community and what we are all about - please feel free to email me off list or visit our website at : http://www.twelvetribes.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jgross at techiowa.com Mon Jun 11 09:21:19 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Mon Jun 11 09:21:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lamination for digitally printed covers In-Reply-To: <466C666F.3040100@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: <004001c7ac2b$6643f790$1e00000a@tech.local> Keli, when the laminate pulls off, does the image stick to the laminate or remain on the card? John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. Iowa City, Iowa jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Keli of Coxsackie Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 4:01 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Lamination for digitally printed covers ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hello. Does anyone have a GREAT source for extra aggressive adhesive lamination? We print with our Xerox Doc 12 and Workcentre 7655 - digital covers - 90# Mohawk gloss. They are full bleed and the lamination peels off after minimal use.. Any advise? We have tried D and K Superstick but that is what I am referring to - It peels off! thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Parchment Press is a Cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes Communities - To learn more about our community and what we are all about - please feel free to email me off list or visit our website at : http://www.twelvetribes.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From phil at theprintingstore.com Mon Jun 11 09:49:59 2007 From: phil at theprintingstore.com (Phil Barry) Date: Mon Jun 11 09:50:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Copier Proposals In-Reply-To: <466956B4.32109.85D11B1@slb.inkspot.net> References: <466956B4.32109.85D11B1@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <1ce2c9010acc11ab86dc251615e4ce84@theprintingstore.com> I just received a quote from KM on a KM6500 and the pricing was the same as the old NAQP pricing. B&W @ .01 and Color @ .045. I am hoping that service is better in Chicago from corporate, than what Robin received from the dealer that KM gave her contract to. On Jun 8, 2007, at 12:16 PM, Steve Blatman wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Robin, > > If you're one of Larry Hunt's subscribers, he'll review the quotes > based on the data he's accumulated, and give you his thoughts. When > he's done it for me, he's asked that I fax or email the data, and > then we've talked on the phone. > > Have you compared the CPP650 pricing with the (recently replaced) old > PII pricing? > > Steve > > >> >> I have a two copier proposals on my desk right now -- received from >> Ikon. I receive GREAT service from our area Ikon dealer. >> Canon iR7095 with ImagePass S2 rip, bookletmaker, cover inserter, doc >> feeder, large capacity paper deck: $30,567 with click charges of >> $0.00595 locked for 3 years and no monthly minimums. My reaction -- >> this is high. What do you think? Ohhhh, I forgot -- this INCLUDES >> them taking my iR105 with similar equipment and 12 million copies in >> on a trade. >> >> Second proposal for a CPP 650 color machine: $40,890 with EFI S450 >> External rip, EFI ES 1000 spectrometer, doc feeder, NO finisher, NO >> large capacity paper drawers >> Click charge is $0.0475 locked for 3 years. AND, IF I want them to >> service and cover the rip: $65/month additional fee. >> >> Again ... why am I so UNDERwhelmed? Just tired and cranky or this is >> NOT a great deal? >> >> >> Robin Niewold >> Pro-Type Printing >> 130 N. Market Street >> Paxton, IL 60957 >> 217.379.4715 >> robin@protypeonline.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> __________ NOD32 2318 (20070608) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From webmaster at designercard.com Mon Jun 11 10:00:23 2007 From: webmaster at designercard.com (webmaster@designercard.com) Date: Mon Jun 11 10:01:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lamination for digitally printed covers In-Reply-To: <004001c7ac2b$6643f790$1e00000a@tech.local> References: <004001c7ac2b$6643f790$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: <113E8778854E4098B1C8F29424A38A0A@ebilliotPC> Keli, D&K puts out a film called SuperStick. A little bit expensive but it works well. 1.880.632.2314 As a note we had the same problem but we found slowing down the speed on the laminator worked just as good. Ed Billiot ed@designercard.com Designercard ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gross" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 8:21 AM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Lamination for digitally printed covers > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Keli, when the laminate pulls off, does the image stick to the laminate or > remain on the card? > > John A. Gross > Technigraphics, Inc. > Iowa City, Iowa > jgross@techiowa.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Keli of Coxsackie > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 4:01 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] Lamination for digitally printed covers > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello. > Does anyone have a GREAT source for extra aggressive adhesive lamination? > We print with our Xerox Doc 12 and Workcentre 7655 - digital covers - > 90# Mohawk gloss. > They are full bleed and the lamination peels off after minimal use.. > > Any advise? > > We have tried D and K Superstick but that is what I am referring to - It > peels off! > > thanks, > Michael Markuson (aka Keli) > Parchment Press > 52 S River St > Coxsackie, NY 12051 > > Parchment Press is a Cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes Communities - > To learn more about our community and what we are all about - please > feel free to email me off list or visit our website at : > http://www.twelvetribes.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From keli at parchmentpress.net Mon Jun 11 10:03:52 2007 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Mon Jun 11 10:03:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lamination for digitally printed covers In-Reply-To: <004001c7ac2b$6643f790$1e00000a@tech.local> References: <004001c7ac2b$6643f790$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: <466D5648.7060903@parchmentpress.net> It remains on the cardstock! what do you think it could be? thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Parchment Press is a Cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes Communities - To learn more about our community and what we are all about - please feel free to email me off list or visit our website at : http://www.twelvetribes.com John Gross wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Keli, when the laminate pulls off, does the image stick to the laminate or > remain on the card? > > John A. Gross > Technigraphics, Inc. > Iowa City, Iowa > jgross@techiowa.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Keli of Coxsackie > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 4:01 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] Lamination for digitally printed covers > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello. > Does anyone have a GREAT source for extra aggressive adhesive lamination? > We print with our Xerox Doc 12 and Workcentre 7655 - digital covers - > 90# Mohawk gloss. > They are full bleed and the lamination peels off after minimal use.. > > Any advise? > > We have tried D and K Superstick but that is what I am referring to - It > peels off! > > thanks, > Michael Markuson (aka Keli) > Parchment Press > 52 S River St > Coxsackie, NY 12051 > > Parchment Press is a Cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes Communities - > To learn more about our community and what we are all about - please > feel free to email me off list or visit our website at : > http://www.twelvetribes.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From keli at parchmentpress.net Mon Jun 11 10:08:42 2007 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Mon Jun 11 10:08:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lamination for digitally printed covers In-Reply-To: <113E8778854E4098B1C8F29424A38A0A@ebilliotPC> References: <004001c7ac2b$6643f790$1e00000a@tech.local> <113E8778854E4098B1C8F29424A38A0A@ebilliotPC> Message-ID: <466D576A.5000306@parchmentpress.net> That is the lam that does peel for us! I want stronger! thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 webmaster@designercard.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Keli, D&K puts out a film called SuperStick. A little bit expensive > but it works well. > 1.880.632.2314 > > As a note we had the same problem but we found slowing down the speed > on the laminator worked just as good. > > Ed Billiot > ed@designercard.com > Designercard > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gross" > To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 8:21 AM > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Lamination for digitally printed covers > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Keli, when the laminate pulls off, does the image stick to the >> laminate or >> remain on the card? >> >> John A. Gross >> Technigraphics, Inc. >> Iowa City, Iowa >> jgross@techiowa.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Keli of Coxsackie >> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 4:01 PM >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> Subject: [PrintOwners] Lamination for digitally printed covers >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Hello. >> Does anyone have a GREAT source for extra aggressive adhesive >> lamination? >> We print with our Xerox Doc 12 and Workcentre 7655 - digital covers - >> 90# Mohawk gloss. >> They are full bleed and the lamination peels off after minimal use.. >> >> Any advise? >> >> We have tried D and K Superstick but that is what I am referring to - It >> peels off! >> >> thanks, >> Michael Markuson (aka Keli) >> Parchment Press >> 52 S River St >> Coxsackie, NY 12051 >> >> Parchment Press is a Cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes Communities - >> To learn more about our community and what we are all about - please >> feel free to email me off list or visit our website at : >> http://www.twelvetribes.com >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From webmaster at designercard.com Mon Jun 11 10:10:19 2007 From: webmaster at designercard.com (webmaster@designercard.com) Date: Mon Jun 11 10:11:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Laser Die Cutting Machine In-Reply-To: <004001c7ac2b$6643f790$1e00000a@tech.local> References: <004001c7ac2b$6643f790$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: <5A2297E4D22C47CAB8859EAE10AFF4EF@ebilliotPC> Does anyone out there have any experience with laser die cutting equipment? I am looking for possibly a laser die cutting machine to do a variety of different cuts to create stock blanks. Thansk, Ed Billiot ed@designercard.com Designercard From webmaster at designercard.com Mon Jun 11 10:16:23 2007 From: webmaster at designercard.com (webmaster@designercard.com) Date: Mon Jun 11 10:17:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lamination for digitally printed covers In-Reply-To: <466D576A.5000306@parchmentpress.net> References: <004001c7ac2b$6643f790$1e00000a@tech.local><113E8778854E4098B1C8F29424A38A0A@ebilliotPC> <466D576A.5000306@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: Hi Keli, If the SuperStick film is peeling then most likely either your machine is running the film to fast or not heating up enough. We done an extensive R&D and found we had to run the film at 350 degrees at between 4'-6' per minute. It is really slow but we found it was our only option to get a good lamination. I hope this helps, Ed Billiot ed@designercard.com Designercard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keli of Coxsackie" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Lamination for digitally printed covers > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > That is the lam that does peel for us! > I want stronger! > > thanks, > Michael Markuson (aka Keli) > Parchment Press > 52 S River St > Coxsackie, NY 12051 > > webmaster@designercard.com wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Keli, D&K puts out a film called SuperStick. A little bit expensive but >> it works well. >> 1.880.632.2314 >> >> As a note we had the same problem but we found slowing down the speed on >> the laminator worked just as good. >> >> Ed Billiot >> ed@designercard.com >> Designercard >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gross" >> To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" >> >> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 8:21 AM >> Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Lamination for digitally printed covers >> >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> Keli, when the laminate pulls off, does the image stick to the laminate >>> or >>> remain on the card? >>> >>> John A. Gross >>> Technigraphics, Inc. >>> Iowa City, Iowa >>> jgross@techiowa.com >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >>> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Keli of Coxsackie >>> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 4:01 PM >>> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >>> Subject: [PrintOwners] Lamination for digitally printed covers >>> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> Hello. >>> Does anyone have a GREAT source for extra aggressive adhesive >>> lamination? >>> We print with our Xerox Doc 12 and Workcentre 7655 - digital covers - >>> 90# Mohawk gloss. >>> They are full bleed and the lamination peels off after minimal use.. >>> >>> Any advise? >>> >>> We have tried D and K Superstick but that is what I am referring to - It >>> peels off! >>> >>> thanks, >>> Michael Markuson (aka Keli) >>> Parchment Press >>> 52 S River St >>> Coxsackie, NY 12051 >>> >>> Parchment Press is a Cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes Communities - >>> To learn more about our community and what we are all about - please >>> feel free to email me off list or visit our website at : >>> http://www.twelvetribes.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Mon Jun 11 10:16:24 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Mon Jun 11 10:18:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Copier Proposals In-Reply-To: <20070611140147.4A35D8C88DA@rb.enter.net> References: <20070611140147.4A35D8C88DA@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: We have had a KM C500 with the Creo RIP for 18 months. I have only one complaint about Konica Minolta's corporate service in these Western suburbs of Chicago, they're not always punctual. We've never had a problem with the quality of their service or willingness to replace parts. Treat them well and you'll find them OK. > I just received a quote from KM on a KM6500 and the pricing was the > same as the old NAQP pricing. B&W @ .01 and Color @ .045. I am hoping > that service is better in Chicago from corporate, than what Robin > received from the dealer that KM gave her contract to. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From dana at landmarkimpressions.com Mon Jun 11 10:42:35 2007 From: dana at landmarkimpressions.com (dana) Date: Mon Jun 11 10:35:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Laser Die Cutting Machine In-Reply-To: <5A2297E4D22C47CAB8859EAE10AFF4EF@ebilliotPC> Message-ID: <000201c7ac36$c0778be0$fa01a8c0@KwikKopyPrinting.LAN> When I need Laser die cutting I use Arga in CT. You can find the at arga.net and their phone number is 866-922-2742. The contact I use is Dana. Maybe they can give you info that you are looking for. Dana Wilson Landmark Impressions 35 Industrial Parkway Woburn, MA 01801 Phone: 781-569-0297 Fax: 781-569-0419 cell: 781-710-7609 www.landmarkimpressions.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of webmaster@designercard.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 10:10 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Laser Die Cutting Machine ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Does anyone out there have any experience with laser die cutting equipment? I am looking for possibly a laser die cutting machine to do a variety of different cuts to create stock blanks. Thansk, Ed Billiot ed@designercard.com Designercard _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From keli at parchmentpress.net Mon Jun 11 10:59:42 2007 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Mon Jun 11 10:59:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lamination for digitally printed covers In-Reply-To: References: <004001c7ac2b$6643f790$1e00000a@tech.local><113E8778854E4098B1C8F29424A38A0A@ebilliotPC> <466D576A.5000306@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: <466D635E.20806@parchmentpress.net> We are running 1 ft a minute at 350! but yes - it helps... thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 webmaster@designercard.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hi Keli, > > If the SuperStick film is peeling then most likely either your machine > is running the film to fast or not heating up enough. We done an > extensive R&D and found we had to run the film at 350 degrees at > between 4'-6' per minute. It is really slow but we found it was our > only option to get a good lamination. > > I hope this helps, > Ed Billiot > ed@designercard.com > Designercard > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keli of Coxsackie" > > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:08 AM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Lamination for digitally printed covers > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> That is the lam that does peel for us! >> I want stronger! >> >> thanks, >> Michael Markuson (aka Keli) >> Parchment Press >> 52 S River St >> Coxsackie, NY 12051 >> >> webmaster@designercard.com wrote: >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> Keli, D&K puts out a film called SuperStick. A little bit expensive >>> but it works well. >>> 1.880.632.2314 >>> >>> As a note we had the same problem but we found slowing down the >>> speed on the laminator worked just as good. >>> >>> Ed Billiot >>> ed@designercard.com >>> Designercard >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gross" >>> To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" >>> >>> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 8:21 AM >>> Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Lamination for digitally printed covers >>> >>> >>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>>> >>>> Keli, when the laminate pulls off, does the image stick to the >>>> laminate or >>>> remain on the card? >>>> >>>> John A. Gross >>>> Technigraphics, Inc. >>>> Iowa City, Iowa >>>> jgross@techiowa.com >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >>>> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Keli of >>>> Coxsackie >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 4:01 PM >>>> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >>>> Subject: [PrintOwners] Lamination for digitally printed covers >>>> >>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>>> >>>> Hello. >>>> Does anyone have a GREAT source for extra aggressive adhesive >>>> lamination? >>>> We print with our Xerox Doc 12 and Workcentre 7655 - digital covers - >>>> 90# Mohawk gloss. >>>> They are full bleed and the lamination peels off after minimal use.. >>>> >>>> Any advise? >>>> >>>> We have tried D and K Superstick but that is what I am referring to >>>> - It >>>> peels off! >>>> >>>> thanks, >>>> Michael Markuson (aka Keli) >>>> Parchment Press >>>> 52 S River St >>>> Coxsackie, NY 12051 >>>> >>>> Parchment Press is a Cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes >>>> Communities - >>>> To learn more about our community and what we are all about - please >>>> feel free to email me off list or visit our website at : >>>> http://www.twelvetribes.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From ron at printingconcepts.com Mon Jun 11 11:10:06 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Mon Jun 11 11:05:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Morgana Digifold--Bindery Practices for Digital Message-ID: Larry, do you find that a fast turnaround perhaps inherently required by most digital jobs interferes with regular work in your bindery? Do you find yourself tearing longer run jobs off your equipment to do the short run job? Also, on short run jobs, how do you allow for overs in the bindery for setup and running? >We are looking at the Morgana Digifold. Does anyone on this list have any experience with this machine? Our rationale is as follows: Although we have a Windmill to score, and a small folder (Horizon air feed), our Heidelberg Windmill can be tied up perfing or die cutting a long job. We are installing a KM c6500 digital color printer and believe we do not want these small jobs even getting on the radar of our bindery foreman. The purported low skill level required and neglible overruns required for setup are making us think the Morgana might be a good move. We have a larger bindery (12 people) that can get busy with large jobs and want to keep super short runs out of their hair.< Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "To each there comes in their lifetime a special moment when they are figuratively tapped on the shoulder and offered the chance to do a very special thing, unique to them and fitted to their talents. What a tragedy if that moment finds them unprepared or unqualified for that which could have been their finest hour." --Winston Churchill "When a nation has allowed itself to fall under a tyrannical regime, it cannot be absolved from the faults due to the guilt of the regime." --Winston Churchill Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From pressexpress at bfm.org Mon Jun 11 11:23:40 2007 From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Mon Jun 11 11:23:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mac Word Help In-Reply-To: <95e22c199459d9f43324b7379c4e2bcc@fmtc.com> References: <95e22c199459d9f43324b7379c4e2bcc@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <9261A289-047E-41FC-BA9A-BB44A89C7F02@bfm.org> Print to a pdf from the Mac print window, then open in Preview and print. Good chance this will increase the print speed tremendously. G On Jun 9, 2007, at 5:49 PM, Joe Dominick wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I recently mail merged a file (excel) into Mac Word, and it took 24 > hours to print 3500 pages. > > Can anyone give me shortcuts/tips to make it print like it does on > the PC? The PC only took 35 minutes to print the file, last month. > > Why not use my PC, - 'cause it is dead, and I don't have a new one > yet. Got to get this job out Tuesday afternoon. > > Thanks > > Joe Dominick > Dominick's Printing > 542 W. Idaho Avenue > Ontario Oregon 97914 > > 541-881-1121 > fax 541-881-1599 > > http://www.dominicksprinting.com > dominick@fmtc.com > > NEW! We are Ontario's ONLY Adobe Authorized Service Provider > Microsoft Publisher File Welcome Here! > > Total Quality Printing using the Technology of Today! > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Mon Jun 11 11:31:36 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Jun 11 11:31:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lamination for digitally printed covers References: <004001c7ac2b$6643f790$1e00000a@tech.local> <466D5648.7060903@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: <004e01c7ac3d$999dd9f0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> > It remains on the cardstock! > > what do you think it could be? ================= It's the fuser oil. Glue doesn't stick well to oil. You can wipe the prints with a soft cloth to remove as much oil as possible. The use the super stick lamination, and increase the temp or slow down the speed. That all will help, but no guarantee. Lamination isn't perfect, especially one side lamination for booklet covers. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From keli at parchmentpress.net Mon Jun 11 12:13:29 2007 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Mon Jun 11 12:13:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lamination for digitally printed covers In-Reply-To: <004e01c7ac3d$999dd9f0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <004001c7ac2b$6643f790$1e00000a@tech.local> <466D5648.7060903@parchmentpress.net> <004e01c7ac3d$999dd9f0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <466D74A9.10305@parchmentpress.net> We put them back to back. The wiping down is something we should try! thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >> It remains on the cardstock! >> >> what do you think it could be? > ================= > > It's the fuser oil. Glue doesn't stick well to oil. You can wipe the > prints with a soft cloth to remove as much oil as possible. The use > the super stick lamination, and increase the temp or slow down the > speed. That all will help, but no guarantee. > Lamination isn't perfect, especially one side lamination for booklet > covers. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From keli at parchmentpress.net Mon Jun 11 12:14:28 2007 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Mon Jun 11 12:15:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What about Liquid Lamination? In-Reply-To: <466C666F.3040100@parchmentpress.net> References: <466C666F.3040100@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: <466D74E4.2070501@parchmentpress.net> Has anyone ever tried liquid lamination for book covers? I am interested in hearing more about this option... thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Keli of Coxsackie wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello. > Does anyone have a GREAT source for extra aggressive adhesive lamination? > We print with our Xerox Doc 12 and Workcentre 7655 - digital covers - > 90# Mohawk gloss. > They are full bleed and the lamination peels off after minimal use.. > > Any advise? > > We have tried D and K Superstick but that is what I am referring to - > It peels off! > > thanks, > Michael Markuson (aka Keli) > Parchment Press > 52 S River St > Coxsackie, NY 12051 > > Parchment Press is a Cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes Communities > - To learn more about our community and what we are all about - please > feel free to email me off list or visit our website at : > http://www.twelvetribes.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From dvmonto at optonline.net Mon Jun 11 12:55:06 2007 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Mon Jun 11 12:55:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lamination for digitally printed covers In-Reply-To: <004e01c7ac3d$999dd9f0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: I have had good results using DigiSeal: http://tinyurl.com/3cjzxu I have not tried this one but it is an option: http://tinyurl.com/2s4952 -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net www.sirspeedy.com/wappingersfalls "Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals and dying of nothing." ?Redd Foxx On 6/11/07 11:31 AM, "Dan Huntingford" wrote: > >> It remains on the cardstock! >> >> what do you think it could be? > ================= > > It's the fuser oil. Glue doesn't stick well to oil. You can wipe the prints > with a soft cloth to remove as much oil as possible. The use the super > stick lamination, and increase the temp or slow down the speed. That all > will help, but no guarantee. > Lamination isn't perfect, especially one side lamination for booklet covers. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Jun 11 13:17:01 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Jun 11 13:17:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lamination for digitally printed covers In-Reply-To: References: <004e01c7ac3d$999dd9f0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0706111017h4952cakc8cbaf999afc2025@mail.gmail.com> On 6/11/07, David Monto wrote: > > > I have had good results using [USI's] DigiSeal: > http://tinyurl.com/3cjzxu I second David's recommendation. We use it all the time for large format work. But for our smaller laminator, on which we regularly laminate digital prints from all of our equipment, we use USI's OptiClear and OptiClear with UV. We had been using another USI product when we had a similar peeling problem with a particular b&w job done on an 8500. We took the offending samples to USI (their HQ is about 1/2 mile from my house), and their technical department experimented to duplicate and then solve the problem. We've been using the Opti-Clear ever since. Make sure you maintain constant temperature. I've found USI to be extremely helpful with this sort of technical help and advice. USI, Madison, CT, 800-282-9290, www.usi-laminate.com > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~ Lord Bacon From keli at parchmentpress.net Mon Jun 11 13:20:04 2007 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Mon Jun 11 13:20:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lamination for digitally printed covers In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0706111017h4952cakc8cbaf999afc2025@mail.gmail.com> References: <004e01c7ac3d$999dd9f0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <98f5b19a0706111017h4952cakc8cbaf999afc2025@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <466D8444.5090608@parchmentpress.net> I guess I should contact them. thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Michael Vogel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On 6/11/07, David Monto wrote: >> >> >> I have had good results using [USI's] DigiSeal: >> http://tinyurl.com/3cjzxu > > > I second David's recommendation. We use it all the time for large format > work. > > But for our smaller laminator, on which we regularly laminate digital > prints > from all of our equipment, we use USI's OptiClear and OptiClear with > UV. We > had been using another USI product when we had a similar peeling problem > with a particular b&w job done on an 8500. We took the offending > samples to > USI (their HQ is about 1/2 mile from my house), and their technical > department experimented to duplicate and then solve the problem. We've > been > using the Opti-Clear ever since. Make sure you maintain constant > temperature. > > I've found USI to be extremely helpful with this sort of technical > help and > advice. > > USI, Madison, CT, 800-282-9290, www.usi-laminate.com > > > >> -- >> Michael Vogel >> Sir Speedy Printing >> 9 Research Drive >> Milford, CT 06460 >> tel 203-877-1231 >> fax 203-878-2679 >> mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com >> www.eSirSpeedy.com >> >> ==================================== >> Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to >> criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. >> ~ Lord Bacon > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From cpurvine1 at cox.net Mon Jun 11 13:23:23 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Mon Jun 11 13:23:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lamination for digitally printed covers In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0706111017h4952cakc8cbaf999afc2025@mail.gmail.com> References: <004e01c7ac3d$999dd9f0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <98f5b19a0706111017h4952cakc8cbaf999afc2025@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c7ac4d$36efe860$0200a8c0@corapurvine> I also use the Opti-clear with no problems. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:17 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Lamination for digitally printed covers ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On 6/11/07, David Monto wrote: > > > I have had good results using [USI's] DigiSeal: > http://tinyurl.com/3cjzxu I second David's recommendation. We use it all the time for large format work. But for our smaller laminator, on which we regularly laminate digital prints from all of our equipment, we use USI's OptiClear and OptiClear with UV. We had been using another USI product when we had a similar peeling problem with a particular b&w job done on an 8500. We took the offending samples to USI (their HQ is about 1/2 mile from my house), and their technical department experimented to duplicate and then solve the problem. We've been using the Opti-Clear ever since. Make sure you maintain constant temperature. I've found USI to be extremely helpful with this sort of technical help and advice. USI, Madison, CT, 800-282-9290, www.usi-laminate.com > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or > condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~ Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2323 (20070611) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Jun 11 13:58:44 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Jun 11 13:58:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Laser Die Cutting Machine In-Reply-To: <000201c7ac36$c0778be0$fa01a8c0@KwikKopyPrinting.LAN> References: <5A2297E4D22C47CAB8859EAE10AFF4EF@ebilliotPC> <000201c7ac36$c0778be0$fa01a8c0@KwikKopyPrinting.LAN> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0706111058oa782b10j8dd78d02cf1c0031@mail.gmail.com> On 6/11/07, dana wrote: > > When I need Laser die cutting I use Arga in CT. You can find the at > arga.net and their phone number is 866-922-2742. The contact I use is > Dana. Maybe they can give you info that you are looking for. > Similarly, I just opened the mail which contained a letter from "Deluxe Diecut" (which name was intricately laser diecut out of the letterhead) advertising the service. Karl Thomas Deluxe Diecut (division of Sunshine Art Studios) Agawam, MA 800-873-7681 -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Jun 11 14:01:28 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Jun 11 14:01:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Laser Die Cutting Machine In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0706111058oa782b10j8dd78d02cf1c0031@mail.gmail.com> References: <5A2297E4D22C47CAB8859EAE10AFF4EF@ebilliotPC> <000201c7ac36$c0778be0$fa01a8c0@KwikKopyPrinting.LAN> <98f5b19a0706111058oa782b10j8dd78d02cf1c0031@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0706111101s1fc33931w7e75321f4dc7f552@mail.gmail.com> On 6/11/07, Michael Vogel wrote: > > Karl Thomas Correction: Karol Thomas -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Mon Jun 11 14:21:02 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Mon Jun 11 14:21:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bindery Practices for Digital Message-ID: Message: 1 Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:10:06 -0400 From: "Ron Taggart" > Subject: [PrintOwners] Morgana Digifold--Bindery Practices for Digital To: "printowners" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Larry, do you find that a fast turnaround perhaps inherently required by most digital jobs interferes with regular work in your bindery? <<< No, it's all 'regular' work. Every job printed today (digital or offset) which requires bindery, will be done tomorrow if it is due out tomorrow. Part of our system is called 'the-only-job-in-the-shop'. Pretty original, huh! But it's all the same to our bindery equipment and employees. >>>Do you find yourself tearing longer run jobs off your equipment to do the short run job?<<< Not too often...if ever....do we interrupt a run. It all moves so fast. Occasionally for a really good customer, we may. Maybe once every couple of months this comes up. We have some permanent jobs every month that run for 4-5 hours, that's the longest running time we normally have. And we have 2 days for each of those, plus a day advance notice, so that helps. >>>Also, on short run jobs, how do you allow for overs in the bindery for setup and running?<<< We set up on blank stock. On a typical run of 100 thru 5,000, we won't lose more than 5 on the folder. We lose none on scoring/perforating. Just on the blank set up stock. We lose the bottom sheet in a lift of gloss cover stock on the cutter, due to scuffing. If we are printing 4 up on 12 x 18 and need 5,000 post cards, we'll run 10 extra sheets for example. We could put a blank sheet of cardstock on the bottom of the lift to avoid this issue, but it may accidentally get placed in with the job. I would say that digital has made us better printers, much more careful with bindery all around. That has dropped our over runs tremendously. Larry Desert Pacific Tucson From slb at inkspot.net Mon Jun 11 15:20:18 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon Jun 11 15:20:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Laser Die Cutting Machine In-Reply-To: <5A2297E4D22C47CAB8859EAE10AFF4EF@ebilliotPC> References: <004001c7ac2b$6643f790$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: <464489B1.12256.184164A3@slb.inkspot.net> I know laser cutting is used routinely in sheet-metal and plastic work. I inquired about it about a year ago for a customer who's alternative was some fairly complex and expensive steel-rule dies (for conventional die cutting. Two potential suppliers told me that, while they cut the shapes that we needed out of the cover stock we had in mind, we had to be able to tolerate the possibility (probability? certainty?) of slightly burned-looking edges on the finished pieces. With this in mind, you might or might not find that it's an acceptable alternative to steel-rule dies for paper substrates. If you find that it's not a problem, let me know--my customer is still looking for a way to reduce her tooling cost, so she can afford to do the project. YMMV, Steve > > Does anyone out there have any experience with laser die cutting equipment? > > I am looking for possibly a laser die cutting machine to do a variety of > different cuts to create stock blanks. > > Thansk, > Ed Billiot > ed@designercard.com > Designercard > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2323 (20070611) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From dana at landmarkimpressions.com Mon Jun 11 15:50:42 2007 From: dana at landmarkimpressions.com (dana) Date: Mon Jun 11 15:43:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Laser Die Cutting Machine In-Reply-To: <464489B1.12256.184164A3@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <005801c7ac61$cb6dbbc0$fa01a8c0@KwikKopyPrinting.LAN> I have done a couple of jobs using laser die cutting. It was a baseball glove with the webbing. No problem with burning edges. Laser die cutting can get expensive for longer runs (over 600). To Laser die cut 1,700 gloves (with variable data on it) cost around $1,200.00. Dana Wilson Landmark Impressions 35 Industrial Parkway Woburn, MA 01801 Phone: 781-569-0297 Fax: 781-569-0419 cell: 781-710-7609 www.landmarkimpressions.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 3:20 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Laser Die Cutting Machine ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I know laser cutting is used routinely in sheet-metal and plastic work. I inquired about it about a year ago for a customer who's alternative was some fairly complex and expensive steel-rule dies (for conventional die cutting. Two potential suppliers told me that, while they cut the shapes that we needed out of the cover stock we had in mind, we had to be able to tolerate the possibility (probability? certainty?) of slightly burned-looking edges on the finished pieces. With this in mind, you might or might not find that it's an acceptable alternative to steel-rule dies for paper substrates. If you find that it's not a problem, let me know--my customer is still looking for a way to reduce her tooling cost, so she can afford to do the project. YMMV, Steve > > Does anyone out there have any experience with laser die cutting > equipment? > > I am looking for possibly a laser die cutting machine to do a variety > of > different cuts to create stock blanks. > > Thansk, > Ed Billiot > ed@designercard.com > Designercard > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2323 (20070611) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From joe at calagaz.com Mon Jun 11 18:58:16 2007 From: joe at calagaz.com (Joe Calagaz) Date: Mon Jun 11 18:58:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excess Supplies For Xerox DT/61xx Machines Message-ID: I have some excess items for sale.....I would like to sell it as one lot ($3500) ....I you do not want the whole lot please email me an offer (off list) 6R206 Dry Ink 14 Cases of 3 bottles 8R3903 Fuser Oil 12 bottles 8R566 Stitcher Wire 6 Boxes (2 spools) (for Booklet maker) 8R7191 Binding Tape(Red) 21 Rolls 8R7191 Binding Tape(Blue) 5 Rolls 8R7191 Binding Tape(Black) 21 Rolls Please email any questions or comments to me off-list..... Joe Calagaz joe@calagaz.com Calagaz Digital Printing Mobile, AL 36606 251-478-0487 From bill at mauiprintworks.com Mon Jun 11 21:51:06 2007 From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works) Date: Mon Jun 11 21:51:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] lost my fonts on mac pro In-Reply-To: <082a01c7a918$f989b7d0$6a01a8c0@brianspc> References: <082a01c7a918$f989b7d0$6a01a8c0@brianspc> Message-ID: <0956658bafd526561448a7995b1277d8@mauiprintworks.com> Brian Here's an idea from my graphics dept. When I have serious font problems: I downloaded the FREE Linotype FontExplorer X. Under "Tools" you can clean out font caches from the system as well as applications. Usually I only have to clean Quark's cache, but sometimes I do everything. (Requires a restart.) If Quark is having a bad day, I also trash its Jaws folder, which has font data. The Jaws folder will be remade when you relaunch Quark. So far, doing all that has fixed the problems, even though I'm not sure why. This info was from the Quark forum. -- Belinda Maui Print Works Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku, HI 96793 (808)242-6634 Fax (808)242-8967 bill@mauiprintworks.com www. mauiprintworks.com > > I opened a word for mac file from a customer which installed a trial > version of word on my Mac Pro machine. later i opened an indesign file > and most of the fonts were missing. then i checked quark and > illustrator, same results. i uninstalled the trial version following > the prompts. the fonts are all in my library, but don't show in the > font list in each application. there are others there i don't > recognize. is this from the word file, or did i mess something up > somewhere else? several of my projects are at a standstill until > someone (please) can help. > thanks!! > margaret > > Designotype Printers, Inc. > 22950 Airpark Blvd. > Calumet, MI 49913 > 906-482-2424 > Fax 906-482-2266 > www.designotype.com > From info at huttotxprinting.com Tue Jun 12 14:58:22 2007 From: info at huttotxprinting.com (Hutto Printing) Date: Tue Jun 12 14:58:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] ink jet posters - source needed Message-ID: <97d6478c15b83b19fff1bdb1ea4127b8@huttotxprinting.com> I know someone on this list was in the Austin, TX area and could do ink jet posters for me, but I can't find their email now. I need to quote some 20x30 posters, quantity 25 for one of my customers. I haven't done much of this either. Is PDF the best file format to use? What resolution is recommended. Thanks! Darrell Trammel Hutto Printing 512.846.1990 Order online at www.huttotxprinting.com !! Hutto Chamber of Commerce Member Authorized Adobe Solutions Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider From jgross at techiowa.com Tue Jun 12 16:25:33 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Tue Jun 12 16:25:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] ink jet posters - source needed In-Reply-To: <97d6478c15b83b19fff1bdb1ea4127b8@huttotxprinting.com> Message-ID: <007301c7ad2f$d4479e40$1e00000a@tech.local> Call my friend Terry Meyers at Accugraphics, 512-459-9172. Let me know how it turns out. His shop is very good. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. Iowa City, Iowa jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Hutto Printing Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 1:58 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] ink jet posters - source needed ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I know someone on this list was in the Austin, TX area and could do ink jet posters for me, but I can't find their email now. I need to quote some 20x30 posters, quantity 25 for one of my customers. I haven't done much of this either. Is PDF the best file format to use? What resolution is recommended. Thanks! Darrell Trammel Hutto Printing 512.846.1990 Order online at www.huttotxprinting.com !! Hutto Chamber of Commerce Member Authorized Adobe Solutions Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From zapit at zapcolor.com Tue Jun 12 19:28:20 2007 From: zapit at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez) Date: Tue Jun 12 19:31:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need tabs source In-Reply-To: <20070206002259.951BF69CC36@rb.enter.net> References: <20070206002259.951BF69CC36@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <0B5231A6-1FE1-49F0-B071-FA25B61F9C8C@zapcolor.com> OK we finally received our new (used) Accufast tabber, where is the best place, delivery/price to get tabs??? Thanks > Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com From acepm2 at gmail.com Tue Jun 12 20:14:09 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Tue Jun 12 20:14:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need tabs source In-Reply-To: <0B5231A6-1FE1-49F0-B071-FA25B61F9C8C@zapcolor.com> References: <20070206002259.951BF69CC36@rb.enter.net> <0B5231A6-1FE1-49F0-B071-FA25B61F9C8C@zapcolor.com> Message-ID: Eugene, We purchase ours from our Kirk Rudy dealer. However, when I did need to purchase them I went here: http://www.lauterbachgroup.com/ Thom Gulyas a.k.a. SPMG www.acepm.com On 6/12/07, Eugene Montanez wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > OK we finally received our new (used) Accufast tabber, > where is the best place, delivery/price to get tabs??? > > > Thanks > > > > > Eugene Montanez > ZAP Printing & Graphics > 127 Radio Rd > Corona, CA 92879 > 951-734-8181 > > Zapit@zapcolor.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Jun 12 20:54:06 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Jun 12 20:54:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need tabs source In-Reply-To: <0B5231A6-1FE1-49F0-B071-FA25B61F9C8C@zapcolor.com> References: <20070206002259.951BF69CC36@rb.enter.net> <0B5231A6-1FE1-49F0-B071-FA25B61F9C8C@zapcolor.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0706121754r40c81c52q49ab0ac40d72644d@mail.gmail.com> On 6/12/07, Eugene Montanez wrote: > > OK we finally received our new (used) Accufast tabber, > where is the best place, delivery/price to get tabs??? >From the easily-searched archives of another list: John Henry posted this information about 6 months ago: > http://www.mailingsupplies.com/index.htm > Translucent w/H Perf > Accufast KT2 > 1" 5,000 50,000 $77.50 case @1.55 > > White no Perf > Accufast KT2 15/16" 10,000 roll 50,000 $44.00 case @ .88 I placed my most recent order with them, and although I think their minumum (like just about everyone else's) has increased to case lots of 100,000 wafer seals, their pricing was better than I was previously paying, the tabs work fine, and their service was excellent. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From pressexpress at bfm.org Wed Jun 13 10:03:53 2007 From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Wed Jun 13 10:03:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need tabs source In-Reply-To: <0B5231A6-1FE1-49F0-B071-FA25B61F9C8C@zapcolor.com> References: <20070206002259.951BF69CC36@rb.enter.net> <0B5231A6-1FE1-49F0-B071-FA25B61F9C8C@zapcolor.com> Message-ID: <791C6173-5127-4611-9AFB-BBF3CB8700E2@bfm.org> try uline 1-800-295-5510 $26 bucks a roll of 5,000 discounts on 5 and 25 rolls g On Jun 12, 2007, at 6:28 PM, Eugene Montanez wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > OK we finally received our new (used) Accufast tabber, > where is the best place, delivery/price to get tabs??? > > > Thanks > >> > > Eugene Montanez > ZAP Printing & Graphics > 127 Radio Rd > Corona, CA 92879 > 951-734-8181 > > Zapit@zapcolor.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Wed Jun 13 10:38:10 2007 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Wed Jun 13 10:38:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] e-mail marketing campaigns Message-ID: Does anyone use e-mail to promote printing services? If so, is it done monthly or on some scheduled basis such as direct mail? Lastly, does anyone have experience with buying email list? If so, are they accurate? Thanks for any information. Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying From keli at parchmentpress.net Wed Jun 13 10:56:33 2007 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Wed Jun 13 10:56:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] e-mail marketing campaigns In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <467005A1.2030009@parchmentpress.net> I recommend that you contact Jack Crowley... http://www.crowleymarketinginc.com/ his email is jackcrowley@verizon.net thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Parchment Press is a Cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes Communities - To learn more about our community and what we are all about - please feel free to email me off list or visit our website at : http://www.twelvetribes.com Bernard Bahn wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does anyone use e-mail to promote printing services? If so, is it done > monthly or on some scheduled basis such as direct mail? Lastly, does anyone > have experience with buying email list? If so, are they accurate? Thanks for > any information. > > Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc > 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 > > Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | > bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com > > http://www.creativeimaginginc.com > Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From ray at capitol-copy.com Wed Jun 13 11:11:15 2007 From: ray at capitol-copy.com (Ray Sziber) Date: Wed Jun 13 11:11:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Laser Safe Digital In-Reply-To: <20060913205315.9897B427121@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <001501c7adcd$1715bcf0$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> Is there a digital color machine that will produce laser-safe letterhead? This issue comes up often, especially if the client urgently needs a few letterhead and then, years later, it smears when run through a heat-fused printer. (Of course, they want a full refund and an offset reprint). If such a machine does not exist, how do you caution your clients about secondary imprinting problems? Many thanks for your comments. Ray Sziber Capitol Copy Service 116 West State Street Trenton NJ 08608 Ph 609-989-8776 Fx609-989-9570 www.Capitol-Copy.com Now Offering Large Format Printing! From carisa at holmesprinting.com Wed Jun 13 11:23:34 2007 From: carisa at holmesprinting.com (Carisa Holmes-Peters) Date: Wed Jun 13 11:23:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Customer Appreciation Day In-Reply-To: <20070613151125.0379C8D294F@rb.enter.net> References: <20070613151125.0379C8D294F@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <5A1C3D51-8B42-4ABC-BF28-D87F81BF1EA9@holmesprinting.com> Two of our sales staff came forward wanting to coordinate a customer appreciation event. We are all for it. Just trying to work out all the details. They are thinking of free hot dogs from 11-2 and having a tent, DJ, guided tours and free prizes. I would appreciate any ideas from those that have done things like this before. Thanks! Carisa Holmes-Peters Administrative Office Manager HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com http://www.holmesprinting.com/ ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! POSTERS, BANNERS, INDOOR/OUTDOOR AND MORE - CALL TODAY! ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** From printian at gmail.com Wed Jun 13 11:30:44 2007 From: printian at gmail.com (Ian Franks) Date: Wed Jun 13 11:30:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Laser Safe Digital In-Reply-To: <001501c7adcd$1715bcf0$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> References: <20060913205315.9897B427121@rb.enter.net> <001501c7adcd$1715bcf0$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> Message-ID: Ray We have done letterheads on our KM C450 and have not had come backs yet. Some of our customers will moan about anything. Like when they could see the print on the side of a stack of full bleed letterheads and I had to go and explain how the bleed worked! Whether this will work for you? I do ask the customers to check and say it would be better to use an inkjet printer. On 13/06/07, Ray Sziber wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Is there a digital color machine that will produce laser-safe letterhead? > This issue comes up often, especially if the client urgently needs a few > letterhead and then, years later, it smears when run through a heat-fused > printer. (Of course, they want a full refund and an offset reprint). > > If such a machine does not exist, how do you caution your clients about > secondary imprinting problems? > > Many thanks for your comments. > > Ray Sziber > -- Regards Ian Franks Print Image 3 Corlett Drive, Illovo, JHB Ph 011 447 3133 Fax 011 447 0642 sales@printimage.co.za www.printimage.co.za From carisa at holmesprinting.com Wed Jun 13 11:32:05 2007 From: carisa at holmesprinting.com (Carisa Holmes-Peters) Date: Wed Jun 13 11:32:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need tabs source In-Reply-To: <20070613151125.0379C8D294F@rb.enter.net> References: <20070613151125.0379C8D294F@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7D1D0CEB-3039-49A7-8B3F-B2E025C113B7@holmesprinting.com> We purchase these from Addrex. http://www.addrex.com/ 800-899-4402 3105T - 1" Translucent paper Mailing Tabs 5000 per roll. We purchase 20 rolls for a total of 100,000 tabs - $270.00. Carisa Holmes-Peters Administrative Office Manager HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com http://www.holmesprinting.com/ ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! POSTERS, BANNERS, INDOOR/OUTDOOR AND MORE - CALL TODAY! ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** On Jun 13, 2007, at 11:11 AM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:28:20 -0700 > From: Eugene Montanez > Subject: [PrintOwners] Need tabs source > To: printowners@printweb.org > Message-ID: <0B5231A6-1FE1-49F0-B071-FA25B61F9C8C@zapcolor.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > OK we finally received our new (used) Accufast tabber, > where is the best place, delivery/price to get tabs??? > > > Thanks > >> > > Eugene Montanez > ZAP Printing & Graphics > 127 Radio Rd > Corona, CA 92879 > 951-734-8181 > > Zapit@zapcolor.com > From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Wed Jun 13 11:48:55 2007 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Wed Jun 13 11:49:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Customer Appreciation Day In-Reply-To: <5A1C3D51-8B42-4ABC-BF28-D87F81BF1EA9@holmesprinting.com> Message-ID: Carissa: Any planned event is better than no event. A theme would be helpful, but not critical. (Customers are King for example, and you have Royal Court decorations. I don't like this stuff, but this is what the experts say.) A speaker would be very helpful on a particular topic. Best choice is you or someone else on staff talking about direct mail tips for example. Advertise the theme and the speaker/topic heavily. There's lots more, but that's a start. Getting people to come is not easy, but some will come if you give them a good reason. And replace the hot dogs with something a little more upscale. Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Carisa Holmes-Peters Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 9:24 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Customer Appreciation Day ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Two of our sales staff came forward wanting to coordinate a customer appreciation event. We are all for it. Just trying to work out all the details. They are thinking of free hot dogs from 11-2 and having a tent, DJ, guided tours and free prizes. I would appreciate any ideas from those that have done things like this before. Thanks! Carisa Holmes-Peters Administrative Office Manager HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com http://www.holmesprinting.com/ ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! POSTERS, BANNERS, INDOOR/OUTDOOR AND MORE - CALL TODAY! ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/847 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 9:42 PM From slb at inkspot.net Wed Jun 13 12:02:37 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Jun 13 12:03:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Laser Safe Digital In-Reply-To: <001501c7adcd$1715bcf0$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> References: <20060913205315.9897B427121@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <466FDCDD.16422.3D4E320@slb.inkspot.net> It's always a bet. If your machine has the higher fuser temperature, everybody wins. If your customer's machine has the higher fuser temperature, everybody loses. I've only sold digital color letterheads to one customer. The particular customer is technically adept, and I made sure that he understood the techincal issue involved and that all bets were off if he replaced his ink jet printer with a laser printer. IMO, general selling of digital color letterheads is fraught with peril, and is not worth the risk. Steve > > Is there a digital color machine that will produce laser-safe letterhead? > This issue comes up often, especially if the client urgently needs a few > letterhead and then, years later, it smears when run through a heat-fused > printer. (Of course, they want a full refund and an offset reprint). > > If such a machine does not exist, how do you caution your clients about > secondary imprinting problems? > > Many thanks for your comments. > > Ray Sziber > Capitol Copy Service > 116 West State Street > Trenton NJ 08608 > Ph 609-989-8776 Fx609-989-9570 > www.Capitol-Copy.com > Now Offering Large Format Printing! > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2327 (20070613) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From keli at parchmentpress.net Wed Jun 13 12:07:10 2007 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Wed Jun 13 12:07:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Customer Appreciation Day In-Reply-To: <5A1C3D51-8B42-4ABC-BF28-D87F81BF1EA9@holmesprinting.com> References: <20070613151125.0379C8D294F@rb.enter.net> <5A1C3D51-8B42-4ABC-BF28-D87F81BF1EA9@holmesprinting.com> Message-ID: <4670162E.5020009@parchmentpress.net> GREAT idea! However.. the hot dogs must go unless they are pure beef - There are many who do not eat pork! Muslim, Jew, many others, myself... Xpedx is having a Mohawk Customer Appreciation day so I ordered paper to pick up at the sale and get a free lunch at the same time. Last year I went to 2 xpedx lunches and they serve beef burgers, pork hot dogs (for those who want them), beans (I just pluck out the fat and pork), chips, soda (many kinds), cakes and cookies. They also had several raffles and free gift for all who show up. ALSO there was a pallet of free paper up for grabs - wow I got a case of parchment paper - woohoo! that's my 2 cents - too bad I am not near Ohio thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Parchment Press is a Cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes Communities - To learn more about our community and what we are all about - please feel free to email me off list or visit our website at : http://www.twelvetribes.com Carisa Holmes-Peters wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Two of our sales staff came forward wanting to coordinate a customer > appreciation event. We are all for it. Just trying to work out all > the details. They are thinking of free hot dogs from 11-2 and having a > tent, DJ, guided tours and free prizes. I would appreciate any ideas > from those that have done things like this before. > > Thanks! > > Carisa Holmes-Peters > Administrative Office Manager > HOLMES Printing > 401 E. Columbia Street > Springfield, OH 45503 > Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 > Fax (937) 322-1601 > carisa@holmesprinting.com > http://www.holmesprinting.com/ > > *************************************************************************************************************************************** > > WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! POSTERS, BANNERS, INDOOR/OUTDOOR AND MORE > - CALL TODAY! > *************************************************************************************************************************************** > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From bherion at bucksdigital.com Wed Jun 13 12:35:51 2007 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Wed Jun 13 12:37:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Customer Appreciation Day In-Reply-To: <20070613160004.229388D2FC8@rb.enter.net> References: <20070613160004.229388D2FC8@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070613122937.028bb8d8@bucksdigital.com> At 12:00 PM 6/13/2007, you wrote: >And replace the hot dogs with something a little more upscale. That's one thought. I wouldn't discount a good dog, though. It sounds like this event, being 11-2 and here we are summer, is a fun picnic type of thing and will attract more the usual crowd, maybe some others. My feeling is be loose about it. Once you start formalizing, you really start formalizing and what started as a little fun idea becomes a wedding banquet. My opinion: Get some good dogs and all the fixin's with a barrel of soda pop, some music and lots of smiles. If you have something to say, say it in a poster and a handout and a free pen. Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From ep101 at technaprint.com Wed Jun 13 12:49:49 2007 From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson) Date: Wed Jun 13 12:50:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Customer Appreciation Day In-Reply-To: <5A1C3D51-8B42-4ABC-BF28-D87F81BF1EA9@holmesprinting.com> Message-ID: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Two of our sales staff came forward wanting to coordinate a customer > appreciation event. We are all for it. Just trying to work out all > the details. They are thinking of free hot dogs from 11-2 and having > a tent, DJ, guided tours and free prizes. I would appreciate any > ideas from those that have done things like this before. > Carisa, We did a big event on our relocation some 13 years ago and had a local bbq cater. We did the whole hog (plus a shoulder) with all the trimmings. To echo Keli's sentiments, you should also make a reasonable accommodation for your vegetarian customers. To that end, we also had a wonderful vegetarian cajun stew and plenty of veggie salads. Talk with your local beverage distributor. Pepsi comp'd us a fountain set-up. We also had a local coffee stand businesses bring in a small (read portable) espresso cart. And, we had several microbrews on tap with the restaurant serving them (liability). We had a computer/projection set up with presentations of our e-commerce solutions. We had everyone at their stations discussing their roles in getting their work through the plant for the first hour. We had a vendor in talking up/about our new press that was also recently purchased at that time. We were doing demos on it as well. We had 350 people here that night and people still remember it. Make sure to have a guestbook sign-in up front in your lobby. Get RSVPs up front for planning purposes and have name badges done up for those who do RSVP and blanks for those who don't. Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com From Susan at cdandp.net Wed Jun 13 13:05:42 2007 From: Susan at cdandp.net (Susan Compton) Date: Wed Jun 13 13:04:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need Vendor Message-ID: <017801c7addd$13c936c0$6702a8c0@SUSAN> I have customer who needs 5,000 8 1/2 x 5 1/2 postcards 4/2 (process/2 spots). He needs the card to be C1S for addressing machine purposes, but he would like to have UV on the front. This specific of a request precludes 4over or gotprint. We can print them here, but we can't do the UV. Can any of you do the UV coating if we send the printed cards to you or can you do the whole job? Please email me off-list if you are interested. Thanks! Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Street Lexington, Virginia 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net From jeff at hprinting.biz Wed Jun 13 13:07:47 2007 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Wed Jun 13 13:07:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Calendar Corners... Message-ID: <20070613170728.27075.14164@hm-pop1.solinus.com> We've been outsourcing 17?x22? desk calendars for a customer. We want to look at doing it in house, but need to find a source for the corners. Can any one help on where to buy the corners? Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Jun 13 13:14:47 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Jun 13 13:14:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Calendar Corners... In-Reply-To: <20070613170728.27075.14164@hm-pop1.solinus.com> References: <20070613170728.27075.14164@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0706131014id7b3767gc23de439ab4dddf@mail.gmail.com> On 6/13/07, Jeff Haines wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We've been outsourcing 17?x22? desk calendars for > a customer. We want to look at doing it in house, > but need to find a source for the corners. Can > any one help on where to buy the corners? First google hit: *http://tinyurl.com/3d8p6r* ** StoreSMART.com 5,000+ Peel & Stick Sizes Plastic & Vinyl 800-424-1011 > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~ Lord Bacon From keli at parchmentpress.net Wed Jun 13 13:32:43 2007 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Wed Jun 13 13:32:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] bumper stckers on copy machines Message-ID: <46702A3B.5000300@parchmentpress.net> Anyone have any luck with bumper stickers with copiers? Especially xerox 7655 or 240 or 250 or any other from that family of copiers. just wondering? thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 From vern at fosterpress.com Wed Jun 13 13:42:10 2007 From: vern at fosterpress.com (Vern Foster) Date: Wed Jun 13 13:41:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] bumper stckers on copy machines In-Reply-To: <46702A3B.5000300@parchmentpress.net> References: <46702A3B.5000300@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: <00a501c7ade2$2bbd7840$0100a8c0@foster501df6fb> We used to buy a vinyl material we could run through our Canon 2400 from MTM in Oregon. But we upgraded to the Konica 8050 the fuser was too hot for the material. We are still waiting for them to develop something. When we were doing them, though, we were making decals for race cars and bumper stickers and our customers were always pleased with the results. So if you have a lower temperature machine, you might be okay. Vern ======================================== Vern Foster ~ Foster Press ~ Lake Stevens, WA vern@fosterpress.com ~ 425-334-9317 ======================================== -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Keli of Coxsackie Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 10:33 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] bumper stckers on copy machines ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Anyone have any luck with bumper stickers with copiers? Especially xerox 7655 or 240 or 250 or any other from that family of copiers. just wondering? thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ray at capitol-copy.com Wed Jun 13 13:48:28 2007 From: ray at capitol-copy.com (Ray Sziber) Date: Wed Jun 13 13:48:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Advice Needed on Past Due In-Reply-To: <20070613160004.229388D2FC8@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <002901c7ade3$0d776b60$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> To all owners with service contracts on copiers: Earlier this year, we were unable to get toner and supplies from a well-known copier manufacturer. We were told that there was a "national backorder" and toner was on "allocation" meaning we could not get enough toner to complete a few large orders. Well, when the quarterly invoice for the service contract arrived (more than $7,000), I decided to "allocate" my payments over a 5 month period which I explained to them. Needless to say, the copier company was not happy but they had no explanation for why they did not meet the terms of our agreement. Well, today their accounts department offered to accept 80% of the invoice as payment in full if I pay now. Just an offer without admission of fault. Is there a possible downside to this? I have an excellent credit history and wish it to remain so. What would you do in this situation? Thanks for your time. Ray Sziber Capitol Copy Service 116 West State Street Trenton NJ 08608 Ph 609-989-8776 Fx609-989-9570 www.Capitol-Copy.com Now Offering Large Format Printing! From swiftyprinting at mac.com Wed Jun 13 13:50:25 2007 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Wed Jun 13 13:50:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] bumper stckers on copy machines In-Reply-To: <00a501c7ade2$2bbd7840$0100a8c0@foster501df6fb> References: <46702A3B.5000300@parchmentpress.net> <00a501c7ade2$2bbd7840$0100a8c0@foster501df6fb> Message-ID: On Jun 13, 2007, at 1:42 PM, Vern Foster wrote: > We used to buy a vinyl material we could run through our Canon 2400 > from MTM > in Oregon. But we upgraded to the Konica 8050 the fuser was too hot > for the > material. We are still waiting for them to develop something. Wassau Coated 3.4 mil Vinyl scored back DPI900S 12x18. This sheet will come up as an Indigo product. However since they have reformulated their coating it is now a digital product. They have yet to re-package it without the Indigo branding. I had my doubts and spent some time talking to their R&D before testing it. I can say it runs perfect on our iGen and our Doc250. We buy it from Lindenmeyr Munroe. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com From mail at myprinter.biz Wed Jun 13 13:53:30 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Wed Jun 13 13:53:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] bumper stckers on copy machines In-Reply-To: <46702A3B.5000300@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: Keli - We've done limited quantities of them before - on a Canon CLC 1120 - and they not only came out fine but had pretty good staying power in the (HOT) Florida sun. The stock we've used was both gloss and offset crack and peel. You could always run something as a test and put it outside somewhere where it's going to get weather. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz ---- "Family, Religion, Friendship These are the three demons you must slay if you wish to succeed in business." C. Montgomery Burns -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Keli of Coxsackie Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 1:33 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] bumper stckers on copy machines ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Anyone have any luck with bumper stickers with copiers? Especially xerox 7655 or 240 or 250 or any other from that family of copiers. just wondering? thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From russ at mobile-print.com Wed Jun 13 14:57:48 2007 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Wed Jun 13 13:59:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Customer Appreciation Day In-Reply-To: <5A1C3D51-8B42-4ABC-BF28-D87F81BF1EA9@holmesprinting.com> References: <20070613151125.0379C8D294F@rb.enter.net> <5A1C3D51-8B42-4ABC-BF28-D87F81BF1EA9@holmesprinting.com> Message-ID: <46703E2C.6090007@mobile-print.com> For the past couple of years, we've had informal Appreciation Fridays. We'll grill something - we've done dogs, burgers, chicken, fajitas - and have sides, a big jug of lemonaide & a light dessert. We do this every other friday for a couple of months in the summer. We get between 4 and 20 people stopping by...enough to make it worthwhile but not too disruptive. In October we have our open house evening event. It's also a Chamber after-hours. We invite clients, Chamber folk, vendors, family, friends, etc., etc. We have catered buffet (by a client!), a band (another client!), soft drinks, beer, wine & the infamous Water Cooler. This cooler is becoming legendary in the local business community. We've featured Margaritas, Long Island Iced Tea, Jungle Juice, Serial Killers, and other potent drinks. This is the evening we have raffles, tours, demos & give-aways. We get about 150 people over the course of the evening. Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847-398-6155 Fax: 847-398-0788 From info at aeroprinting.com Wed Jun 13 14:00:08 2007 From: info at aeroprinting.com (Carl Core) Date: Wed Jun 13 14:00:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] bumper stckers on copy machines References: <46702A3B.5000300@parchmentpress.net><00a501c7ade2$2bbd7840$0100a8c0@foster501df6fb> Message-ID: <008d01c7ade4$ae0dfed0$6e01a8c0@aero> We run Starliner debut soft vinyl from Ris paper through the Doc240 by the thousands. Our biggest customer orders them for a bagging facility nearby. We have no trouble running them. We even printed decals for city vehicles last winter and they are still looking great and sticking to the old labels.. Carl Core, Jr. Aero Printing, Inc. 710 Elida Ave Delphos, OH 45833 Ph. 419-695-2931 Fax 419-695-9930 info@aeroprinting.com www.aeroprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] bumper stckers on copy machines > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > On Jun 13, 2007, at 1:42 PM, Vern Foster wrote: > >> We used to buy a vinyl material we could run through our Canon 2400 from >> MTM >> in Oregon. But we upgraded to the Konica 8050 the fuser was too hot for >> the >> material. We are still waiting for them to develop something. > > Wassau Coated 3.4 mil Vinyl scored back DPI900S 12x18. > > This sheet will come up as an Indigo product. However since they have > reformulated their coating it is now a digital product. They have yet to > re-package it without the Indigo branding. > I had my doubts and spent some time talking to their R&D before testing > it. I can say it runs perfect on our iGen and our Doc250. > > We buy it from Lindenmeyr Munroe. > > > Chuck Pappas > Arlington Swifty Printing > 1386 Massachusetts Avenue > Arlington, MA 02476 > 781-646-8700 > www.arlingtonswifty.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From mail at myprinter.biz Wed Jun 13 14:09:40 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Wed Jun 13 14:10:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Advice Needed on Past Due In-Reply-To: <002901c7ade3$0d776b60$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> Message-ID: Ray - I'd tell them that I was REALLY pissed off at them, because I'd lost a lot of money due to toner supply problems that were their fault, not mine, and tell them I was thinking of something closer to 50%...and I wouldn't be concerned about my credit rating. Several years ago, Danka was servicing a Canon copier for us, and I asked another firm to bid on taking over the contract. They wanted service records that included certain "kits" - I believe that they were PM (Periodic Maintenance) kits that Canon recommended for the machine - and told me that whoever had been servicing the machine should be able to provide them. I made the orginal request of our service tech, who had no idea what I was talking about and referred me to the Danka's area Service Manager, who proceeded to inform me - to the great embarrassment of everybody at Danka - that Danka's pricing didn't allow them to do PMs on Canon's recommended schedule. In short, Danka was willing to fix it if it broke, but not do what Canon said needed to be done to keep it from breaking, and if it getting "broke" inconvenienced us (machine down - can't make copies to sell them and make payroll), that was, apparently, a personal problem that I was going to have to solve for myself. I ended up paying Danka for its last several invoices - at 50 cents on the dollar - about a year after we left them. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz ---- "Family, Religion, Friendship These are the three demons you must slay if you wish to succeed in business." C. Montgomery Burns -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Ray Sziber Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 1:48 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Advice Needed on Past Due ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** To all owners with service contracts on copiers: Earlier this year, we were unable to get toner and supplies from a well-known copier manufacturer. We were told that there was a "national backorder" and toner was on "allocation" meaning we could not get enough toner to complete a few large orders. Well, when the quarterly invoice for the service contract arrived (more than $7,000), I decided to "allocate" my payments over a 5 month period which I explained to them. Needless to say, the copier company was not happy but they had no explanation for why they did not meet the terms of our agreement. Well, today their accounts department offered to accept 80% of the invoice as payment in full if I pay now. Just an offer without admission of fault. Is there a possible downside to this? I have an excellent credit history and wish it to remain so. What would you do in this situation? Thanks for your time. Ray Sziber Capitol Copy Service 116 West State Street Trenton NJ 08608 Ph 609-989-8776 Fx609-989-9570 www.Capitol-Copy.com Now Offering Large Format Printing! _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jacemeister at gmail.com Wed Jun 13 14:19:16 2007 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Wed Jun 13 14:19:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Trade Printers Message-ID: A while back several folks had contacted me to do some trade printing. I am currently without a press operator and brokering quite a bit of my work for the time being, and it's working out much better than I'd anticipated. If I can find enough reliable vendors I'm thinking seriously about selling my presses and brokering all my offset work (about $500,000 a year retail). If you are a trade printer, or a job printer looking for filler work to keep your presses running, or know of someone who might be interested, please contact me privately. TIA -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com From mail at myprinter.biz Wed Jun 13 14:54:59 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Wed Jun 13 14:55:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Trade Printers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jace - Your inquiry reminds me of the joke about the department store loud-speaker announcement stating, "Will whoever lost the wallet containing $500.00 and no IDs please form a line..." If you don't get more responses than you can handle, let me know. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Jace Prejean Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 2:19 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Trade Printers ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** A while back several folks had contacted me to do some trade printing. I am currently without a press operator and brokering quite a bit of my work for the time being, and it's working out much better than I'd anticipated. If I can find enough reliable vendors I'm thinking seriously about selling my presses and brokering all my offset work (about $500,000 a year retail). If you are a trade printer, or a job printer looking for filler work to keep your presses running, or know of someone who might be interested, please contact me privately. TIA -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Jun 13 15:49:33 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Jun 13 15:49:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need Vendor In-Reply-To: <017801c7addd$13c936c0$6702a8c0@SUSAN> References: <017801c7addd$13c936c0$6702a8c0@SUSAN> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0706131249h458e921ey17387048a3244eb3@mail.gmail.com> On 6/13/07, Susan Compton wrote: > > I have customer who needs 5,000 8 1/2 x 5 1/2 postcards 4/2 > (process/2 spots). > He needs the card to be C1S for addressing > machine purposes, but he would > like to have UV on the front. > This specific of a request precludes 4over or gotprint. If the spot colors will print okay in CMYK, Gotprint can do these as 4/4 with UV on the front only. No UV on the back is one of their standard options. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From hal at pickimp.com Wed Jun 13 16:19:08 2007 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Wed Jun 13 16:19:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Customer Appreciation Day References: <20070613151125.0379C8D294F@rb.enter.net><5A1C3D51-8B42-4ABC-BF28-D87F81BF1EA9@holmesprinting.com> <4670162E.5020009@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: <008301c7adf8$48cc6d40$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Pullleeeeze - the world is already too poliitcally correct. Have hot dogs and an alternate meat if you wish. We went to an open house last weekend and our Jewish friends served hot dogs, hamburgers and ribs among many side dishes and I'm not familiar with the P/C of various side dishes. Nor to I want to be familiarized. Hal Wendt IMP Printing & Graphics Design Southgate, Michigan USA From jedwards at printzilla.net Wed Jun 13 16:39:29 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Wed Jun 13 16:41:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Customer Appreciation Day In-Reply-To: <008301c7adf8$48cc6d40$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> References: <20070613151125.0379C8D294F@rb.enter.net><5A1C3D51-8B42-4ABC-BF28-D87F81BF1EA9@holmesprinting.com> <4670162E.5020009@parchmentpress.net> <008301c7adf8$48cc6d40$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On Jun 13, 2007, at 3:19 PM, Hal Wendt wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > many who do not eat pork! Muslim, Jew, many others, myself...> > > Pullleeeeze - the world is already too poliitcally correct. > > Have hot dogs and an alternate meat if you wish. You've got a point. If I go someplace and don't particularly care for what's on the menu I don't take it as a personal insult against my ancestral spirits. I just don't eat. If they don't have beer I leave. Actually, I don't think hot dogs qualify as meat anyway. If you're worried about it go one step lower, serve scrapple. Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas From brianoday at eprint.us Wed Jun 13 17:02:11 2007 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Wed Jun 13 17:02:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Advice Needed on Past Due In-Reply-To: <002901c7ade3$0d776b60$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> References: <20070613160004.229388D2FC8@rb.enter.net> <002901c7ade3$0d776b60$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> Message-ID: <004901c7adfe$1d0984d0$6e01a8c0@Brian> Sounds like they are going out of business or something. I would be concerned that if you pay in advance they may not be in business long enough to get the service you are paying ahead for. The minimum I would do is run a credit check on them prior to you sending your $$$. I like the idea of only paying 80% with that they would just send you a letter allowing a 20% discount if invoice is paid within certain terms. Just be careful about THEIR CREDIT Brian O'Day ePrint Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ray Sziber Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 10:48 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Advice Needed on Past Due ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** To all owners with service contracts on copiers: Earlier this year, we were unable to get toner and supplies from a well-known copier manufacturer. We were told that there was a "national backorder" and toner was on "allocation" meaning we could not get enough toner to complete a few large orders. Well, when the quarterly invoice for the service contract arrived (more than $7,000), I decided to "allocate" my payments over a 5 month period which I explained to them. Needless to say, the copier company was not happy but they had no explanation for why they did not meet the terms of our agreement. Well, today their accounts department offered to accept 80% of the invoice as payment in full if I pay now. Just an offer without admission of fault. Is there a possible downside to this? I have an excellent credit history and wish it to remain so. What would you do in this situation? Thanks for your time. Ray Sziber Capitol Copy Service 116 West State Street Trenton NJ 08608 Ph 609-989-8776 Fx609-989-9570 www.Capitol-Copy.com Now Offering Large Format Printing! _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From robin at protypeonline.com Wed Jun 13 22:30:58 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed Jun 13 22:30:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] e-mail marketing campaigns Message-ID: Bernie, I got the funniest direct mail postcard in the mail from a print for industry only printing company -- 5 x 8 full color on the front with a nerdy woman picking her nose--it was so grotesque but it sure got my attention. On the back side it read: are you still printing envelopes yourself? I don't think the side 2 copy fit -- but the front made me laugh and I was dying to see what side 2 said! Anyway, I kept the card and today I came up with my own idea.....When you need to pick something (side 1) PICK US! (side 2). What do you think? My 2 cents worth on email advertising -- quite a bit less expensive than postage BUT -- how many will get caught in spam? Get deleted without reading....I like the thought that even if my postcards don't get read immediately -- the card with my logo on both sides might at least lay around for a while and the logo seen....Might help me with recognition...might.... We've only sent out two direct mail cards the last 6 weeks -- getting ready for #3 in the 5 card series -- no big jump in new calls, if any...but I'm going to keep it up for 18 months regardless. Water dripping on a rock ...slow but hopefully some progress in the long run. :) robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From robin at protypeonline.com Wed Jun 13 22:39:51 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed Jun 13 22:38:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 22, Issue 36 In-Reply-To: <20070613160004.229388D2FC8@rb.enter.net> References: <20070613160004.229388D2FC8@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <4656DADE-DAA7-479B-890C-51141FEAE922@protypeonline.com> Carissa, Charlene Sims left today for a month (sailboat, Greece) -- but she had a fantastic open house, 30th anniversary celebration last year. You could call her shop and talk with Aaron. She did quite a bit of promoting, reminders, invitations and had some of her customers provide door prizes (from their business) for the guests. Said things turned out great and generated lots of interest by potentials and some of her regulars were heard saying, "I didn't know you could do that"! Charlene Sims, The Master's Press, Dallas Texas. The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 Robin p.s. hotdogs? I know they are inexpensive and simple but.....HOTDOGS? burgers would be better -- and porkburgers are especially YUMMY and in the summer, with county fairs going on -- hot item! 11-2pm during the week? After hours is when Charlene had hers ...5pm - 7pm and we have used the same hours with good luck also. That way you could also offer a beer or glass of wine? Just my two cents worth. OR, appetizers....chips, salsa, pretzels, chips......pizzas cut into small pieces????? On Jun 13, 2007, at 11:00 AM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > Send PrintOwners mailing list submissions to > printowners@printweb.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > printowners-request@printweb.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > printowners-owner@printweb.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of PrintOwners digest..." > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Digest ***** > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Customer Appreciation Day (Carisa Holmes-Peters) > 2. Re: RE: Laser Safe Digital (Ian Franks) > 3. Re:Need tabs source (Carisa Holmes-Peters) > 4. RE: Customer Appreciation Day (Bernard Bahn) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:23:34 -0400 > From: Carisa Holmes-Peters > Subject: [PrintOwners] Customer Appreciation Day > To: printowners@printweb.org > Message-ID: <5A1C3D51-8B42-4ABC-BF28-D87F81BF1EA9@holmesprinting.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Two of our sales staff came forward wanting to coordinate a customer > appreciation event. We are all for it. Just trying to work out all > the details. They are thinking of free hot dogs from 11-2 and having > a tent, DJ, guided tours and free prizes. I would appreciate any > ideas from those that have done things like this before. > > Thanks! > > Carisa Holmes-Peters > Administrative Office Manager > HOLMES Printing > 401 E. Columbia Street > Springfield, OH 45503 > Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 > Fax (937) 322-1601 > carisa@holmesprinting.com > http://www.holmesprinting.com/ > > ********************************************************************** > ** > *************************************************************** > WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! POSTERS, BANNERS, INDOOR/OUTDOOR AND > MORE - CALL TODAY! > ********************************************************************** > ** > *************************************************************** > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:30:44 +0200 > From: "Ian Franks" > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Laser Safe Digital > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Ray > We have done letterheads on our KM C450 and have not had come backs > yet. > Some of our customers will moan about anything. Like when they > could see the > print on the side of a stack of full bleed letterheads and I had > to go and > explain how the bleed worked! Whether this will work for you? > I do ask the customers to check and say it would be better to use > an inkjet > printer. > > > On 13/06/07, Ray Sziber wrote: >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Is there a digital color machine that will produce laser-safe >> letterhead? >> This issue comes up often, especially if the client urgently needs >> a few >> letterhead and then, years later, it smears when run through a >> heat-fused >> printer. (Of course, they want a full refund and an offset reprint). >> >> If such a machine does not exist, how do you caution your clients >> about >> secondary imprinting problems? >> >> Many thanks for your comments. >> >> Ray Sziber >> > > > > -- > Regards > Ian Franks > Print Image > 3 Corlett Drive, Illovo, JHB > Ph 011 447 3133 > Fax 011 447 0642 > sales@printimage.co.za > www.printimage.co.za > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:32:05 -0400 > From: Carisa Holmes-Peters > Subject: Re:[PrintOwners] Need tabs source > To: printowners@printweb.org > Message-ID: <7D1D0CEB-3039-49A7-8B3F-B2E025C113B7@holmesprinting.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > We purchase these from Addrex. > > http://www.addrex.com/ > 800-899-4402 > > 3105T - 1" Translucent paper Mailing Tabs 5000 per roll. We purchase > 20 rolls for a total of 100,000 tabs - $270.00. > > > Carisa Holmes-Peters > Administrative Office Manager > HOLMES Printing > 401 E. Columbia Street > Springfield, OH 45503 > Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 > Fax (937) 322-1601 > carisa@holmesprinting.com > http://www.holmesprinting.com/ > > ********************************************************************** > ** > *************************************************************** > WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! POSTERS, BANNERS, INDOOR/OUTDOOR AND > MORE - CALL TODAY! > ********************************************************************** > ** > *************************************************************** > > > On Jun 13, 2007, at 11:11 AM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:28:20 -0700 >> From: Eugene Montanez >> Subject: [PrintOwners] Need tabs source >> To: printowners@printweb.org >> Message-ID: <0B5231A6-1FE1-49F0-B071-FA25B61F9C8C@zapcolor.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >> >> OK we finally received our new (used) Accufast tabber, >> where is the best place, delivery/price to get tabs??? >> >> >> Thanks >> >>> >> >> Eugene Montanez >> ZAP Printing & Graphics >> 127 Radio Rd >> Corona, CA 92879 >> 951-734-8181 >> >> Zapit@zapcolor.com >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 09:48:55 -0600 > From: "Bernard Bahn" > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Customer Appreciation Day > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Carissa: > > Any planned event is better than no event. > > A theme would be helpful, but not critical. (Customers are King for > example, > and you have Royal Court decorations. I don't like this stuff, but > this is > what the experts say.) A speaker would be very helpful on a particular > topic. Best choice is you or someone else on staff talking about > direct mail > tips for example. Advertise the theme and the speaker/topic > heavily. There's > lots more, but that's a start. Getting people to come is not easy, > but some > will come if you give them a good reason. > > And replace the hot dogs with something a little more upscale. > > Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc > 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 > > Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | > bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> > > http://www.creativeimaginginc.com > Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Carisa > Holmes-Peters > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 9:24 AM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Customer Appreciation Day > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Two of our sales staff came forward wanting to coordinate a customer > appreciation event. We are all for it. Just trying to work out all > the details. They are thinking of free hot dogs from 11-2 and having > a tent, DJ, guided tours and free prizes. I would appreciate any > ideas from those that have done things like this before. > > Thanks! > > Carisa Holmes-Peters > Administrative Office Manager > HOLMES Printing > 401 E. Columbia Street > Springfield, OH 45503 > Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 > Fax (937) 322-1601 > carisa@holmesprinting.com > http://www.holmesprinting.com/ > > ********************************************************************** > ** > *************************************************************** > WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! POSTERS, BANNERS, INDOOR/OUTDOOR AND > MORE - CALL TODAY! > ********************************************************************** > ** > *************************************************************** > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/847 - Release Date: > 6/12/2007 > 9:42 PM > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > End of PrintOwners Digest, Vol 22, Issue 36 > ******************************************* > Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From robin at protypeonline.com Wed Jun 13 22:44:03 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed Jun 13 22:43:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Customer Appreciation Day Message-ID: <1C457725-04A4-44A8-B7B8-F341F7229A6F@protypeonline.com> WHO doesn't eat PORK?????!!!!!! Okay, there are a few acceptable reasons......BUT, hotdogs are NOT considered PORK! Anyone that needs 1000000000 pages or more on the nutritional merits of pork -- THE OTHER WHITE MEAT, I'll bring a truckload with me to chicago for the NAQP conference in September. :))))) Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From k_graham at hotmail.com Wed Jun 13 23:05:10 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Wed Jun 13 23:05:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Laser Safe Digital References: <001501c7adcd$1715bcf0$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> Message-ID: > Is there a digital color machine that will produce laser-safe letterhead? > This issue comes up often, especially if the client urgently needs a few > letterhead and then, years later, it smears when run through a heat-fused > printer. (Of course, they want a full refund and an offset reprint). > > If such a machine does not exist, how do you caution your clients about > secondary imprinting problems? We had it work with the (Ikon cpp500 - Konica C500) and with the Xerox 240 we got to replace the 500 when it couldn't reliably print due it seems to Ikons only having this machine in the area and no one capable of service to ourstandard. Both use a oiless toner and higher fuser temperatures. I still recommend clients try a sample before a complete order and we do have a DI for larger quantities. Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 From k_graham at hotmail.com Wed Jun 13 23:11:37 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Wed Jun 13 23:11:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] bumper stckers on copy machines References: <46702A3B.5000300@parchmentpress.net><00a501c7ade2$2bbd7840$0100a8c0@foster501df6fb> <008d01c7ade4$ae0dfed0$6e01a8c0@aero> Message-ID: > > We run Starliner debut soft vinyl from Ris paper through the Doc240 by > the thousands. Our biggest customer orders them for a bagging facility > nearby. We have no trouble running them. We even printed decals for city > vehicles last winter and they are still looking great and sticking to the > old labels.. > > Carl Core, Jr. I learned something today, I always thought vinyl would melt and assumed polyester was neccessary as in Xerox never tear - may come from having tried to run Kimdura (Yuppo) through a copier and watched it roll up in a ball. Thanks Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika From stumarty at wrightprinting.com Wed Jun 13 23:55:12 2007 From: stumarty at wrightprinting.com (Stu) Date: Wed Jun 13 23:55:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Customer Appreciation Day In-Reply-To: <1C457725-04A4-44A8-B7B8-F341F7229A6F@protypeonline.com> References: <1C457725-04A4-44A8-B7B8-F341F7229A6F@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: On or about 9:44 PM -0500 6/13/07, Robin Niewold emailed the following: >Anyone that needs 1000000000 pages or more on the nutritional merits >of pork -- THE OTHER WHITE MEAT, I'll bring a truckload with me to >chicago for the NAQP conference in September. Been there, done that -- nothing quite as exciting as a energy-filled NPPC Conference, well, except for maybe a few days at the World Pork Expo (usually held in Iowa, the leading pork producing state in the Union). You'll learn why those lovely belted Hamps will improve your herd's meat, and those motherly Yorks will increase yields. As we tried with PMA, perhaps we could just merge the two associations, and enjoy one big trade show??? OK, prolly not, but I can assure you, pork producers do a LOT of printing. I think every trade association should have a similar check-off program, and funnel that cash into PRINTING promotions. just old stu -- =============== SETTING IT WRIGHT: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - If you try to fail and you succeed, which have you done? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wright Printing Co. -- Central Illinois' biggest little print shop. 203 North St., Normal, IL 61761 309 452-4409 Fax 452-7422 Personal Mobile Phone: 309 826-1132 (Stu) mailto:stu@wrightprinting.com - http://www.wrightprinting.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu Jun 14 00:35:35 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu Jun 14 00:35:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Customer Appreciation Day In-Reply-To: <1C457725-04A4-44A8-B7B8-F341F7229A6F@protypeonline.com> References: <1C457725-04A4-44A8-B7B8-F341F7229A6F@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0706132135g14769e0bw232568a8f1e38f96@mail.gmail.com> On 6/13/07, Robin Niewold wrote: > > WHO doesn't eat PORK?????!!!!!! Okay, there are a few acceptable > reasons......BUT, hotdogs are NOT considered PORK! Huh??? Gee, all-beef hot dogs may not be considered pork, but I've always considered pork hot dogs to be pork. I would think that most people who don't eat pork (I'm not one of them) would be of similar mind. > Anyone that needs 1000000000 pages or more on the nutritional merits > of pork -- THE OTHER WHITE MEAT... Keli was apparently unaware of pork's nutritional merits. Armed with those facts, the gastronomic enticements of the wonderful book, "Charcuterie: The Craft of Salting, Smoking, and Curing" by Ruhlman and Polcyn should be enough to tip the scales. Or not. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From BeckyWh1 at aol.com Thu Jun 14 01:13:45 2007 From: BeckyWh1 at aol.com (BeckyWh1@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 14 01:13:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pricing your jobs... Message-ID: In a message dated 5/31/07 7:03:26 AM, carisa@holmesprinting.com writes: > First question is....Do you have an estimating department or do most? > of your CSR's or sales reps create their own invoices and estimates. > > We are dealing with some issues... > > 1. The person creating the job will price it the least expensive way,? > but not necessarily the way it will be ran. > When you're using an estimating system, the key is CHOOSING all the right charges in order to price correctly Unfortunately you will find if there are three people who can create an estimate, then you might just get three different estimates for the exact same job. One of the ways to beat this, with an estimating program, is to create templates and make it mandatory that ALL CSRS or anyone who can give a price to a customer use the template to start a job. > 2. When we are dealing with an outside vendor, sometimes there are? > extra charges such as shipping that is not known until we receive the? > invoice and then it was already quoted to our customer without it? > For outside vendor, you might add charges such as "Place Order via Website....$12" -- "Shipping (by weight)...$22" For other jobs, add appropriate charges "RIp To Copier" "Download Customer File and Preflight" "Precut parent sheets to run size" You can even create "typical order" templates for things like letterhead, brochures, invoices,e tc. It's much easier to develop a standard that everyone uses and prompt them to correct charges or delete if not needed than it is to have them look at a blank screen and create pricing from "thin air." GOOD LUCK! Becky Whatley Quality Printing Riverside, CA ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From braddpotter at juno.com Thu Jun 14 01:16:25 2007 From: braddpotter at juno.com (Brad D Potter) Date: Thu Jun 14 01:17:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] one time need to extract photos from an existing pdf. Message-ID: <20070613.221626.3720.11.braddpotter@juno.com> I have a pdf that is a slide show type of thing. I did NOT create this pdf. Nor can i reach the original preparer. But I need someone with more tools than we have to EXTRACT the individual photos so that I can add them to a different slide show program. This pdf appears to be in the public domain, in other words, I am not trying to do anything bad, I just do not have (or know what tools it takes..) to extract photos from a pdf. Is there anyone that can do this for me? I will send a pdf file, and get back 21 individual photos that I can add to my slide show? brad Printing Services www.myprintsource.net 3480 SE Bethel Road Port Orchard, Washington 98366 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax From Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au Thu Jun 14 02:05:32 2007 From: Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au (Harry Brelsford) Date: Thu Jun 14 02:05:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] one time need to extract photos from an existing pdf. In-Reply-To: <20070613.221626.3720.11.braddpotter@juno.com> References: <20070613.221626.3720.11.braddpotter@juno.com> Message-ID: Open it in Illustrator or even in Photoshop Harry > I have a pdf that is a slide show type of thing. > >I did NOT create this pdf. Nor can i reach the original preparer. > >But I need someone with more tools than we have to EXTRACT the individual >photos so that I can add them to a different slide show program. > >This pdf appears to be in the public domain, in other words, I am not >trying to do anything bad, I just do not have (or know what tools it >takes..) to extract photos from a pdf. > >Is there anyone that can do this for me? I will send a pdf file, and get >back 21 individual photos that I can add to my slide show? > > > >brad -- Harry Brelsford Varsity Graphics Shop 2 - 195 Varsity Parade Varsity Lakes QLD 4227 Australia Ph: 61 7 5575 9417 Fax: 61 7 5575 8091 Harry@VarsityGraphics.com.au From jedwards at printzilla.net Thu Jun 14 08:30:53 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Thu Jun 14 08:33:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Customer Appreciation Day In-Reply-To: <1C457725-04A4-44A8-B7B8-F341F7229A6F@protypeonline.com> References: <1C457725-04A4-44A8-B7B8-F341F7229A6F@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <58BD0AE1-E838-4FAC-934D-AD578A4CBF19@printzilla.net> On Jun 13, 2007, at 9:44 PM, Robin Niewold wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > THE OTHER WHITE MEAT That's a song! By Billy Bacon and the Forbidden Pigs no less. http://www.myspace.com/billybaconforbiddenpig Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas From mail at myprinter.biz Thu Jun 14 08:56:22 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Thu Jun 14 08:56:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Customer Appreciation Day In-Reply-To: <58BD0AE1-E838-4FAC-934D-AD578A4CBF19@printzilla.net> Message-ID: TWIMC: I have a couple of dandy recipes for road-kill possum. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Jack Edwards Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:31 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Customer Appreciation Day ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Jun 13, 2007, at 9:44 PM, Robin Niewold wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > THE OTHER WHITE MEAT That's a song! By Billy Bacon and the Forbidden Pigs no less. http://www.myspace.com/billybaconforbiddenpig Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From gailscott at eos.net Thu Jun 14 08:53:46 2007 From: gailscott at eos.net (Gail & Scott Finke) Date: Thu Jun 14 09:13:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Customer Appreciation Day In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 6/13/07 4:39 PM, Jack Edwards at jedwards@printzilla.net wrote: > > If you're > worried about it go one step lower, serve scrapple. > MMMM... Scrapple! I haven't had that in years. I don't know what's in it and I suppose I don't want to. You can buy it here in Ohio but I've never heard of anyone eating it. Around here they eat goetta. Available in traditional (mixed beef and pork) and all-beef varieties, like hot dogs, but not (unlike hot dogs) vegetarian. If you don't know what goetta is, you are missing out! Drop by Northern Kentucky this week for Goettafest and check it out. Gail Finke ----------------- Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 513-522-2679 info@brentwood-printing.com From rstor at copycats.com Thu Jun 14 09:17:05 2007 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Thu Jun 14 09:19:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Trade Printers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46713FD1.7010606@copycats.com> We made this decision about 12 years ago, when we were in a similar situation. It's worked out great. We have focused on the digital in-house and have positioned ourselves to sell all manner of press work (we are no longer predisposed to sell small-press stuff because that's the equipment on the floor). As an added bonus we no longer have to deal with OSHA, material safety issues, productivity and attendance issues which seem more prevalent with press operators than with digital, etc. Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Jace Prejean wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > A while back several folks had contacted me to do some trade printing. > I am currently without a press operator and brokering quite a bit of > my work for the time being, and it's working out much better than I'd > anticipated. If I can find enough reliable vendors I'm thinking > seriously about selling my presses and brokering all my offset work > (about $500,000 a year retail). > > If you are a trade printer, or a job printer looking for filler work > to keep your presses running, or know of someone who might be > interested, please contact me privately. > > TIA From jacemeister at gmail.com Thu Jun 14 09:32:45 2007 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Thu Jun 14 09:32:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Trade Printers In-Reply-To: <46713FD1.7010606@copycats.com> References: <46713FD1.7010606@copycats.com> Message-ID: Thanks to those who responded. I plan to call each of you later this morning while driving to New Orleans (bringing some jobs to one of my new partners ). So far I'm liking this more each day! Jace > > A while back several folks had contacted me to do some trade printing. > > I am currently without a press operator and brokering quite a bit of > > my work for the time being, and it's working out much better than I'd > > anticipated. If I can find enough reliable vendors I'm thinking > > seriously about selling my presses and brokering all my offset work > > (about $500,000 a year retail). > > > > If you are a trade printer, or a job printer looking for filler work > > to keep your presses running, or know of someone who might be > > interested, please contact me privately. > > > > TIA -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com From keli at parchmentpress.net Thu Jun 14 10:12:01 2007 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Thu Jun 14 10:11:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] [off] Customer Appreciation Day In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0706132135g14769e0bw232568a8f1e38f96@mail.gmail.com> References: <1C457725-04A4-44A8-B7B8-F341F7229A6F@protypeonline.com> <98f5b19a0706132135g14769e0bw232568a8f1e38f96@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46714CB1.2060801@parchmentpress.net> Sorry - I do not eat swine! No matter how nutritious or tasty it might be. I want to live to please God and scripture is quite plain on this matter. I think we have taken this topic from business to off business! Lets us go back to business! If anyone wants to email me privately - feel free! thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Michael Vogel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On 6/13/07, Robin Niewold wrote: >> >> WHO doesn't eat PORK?????!!!!!! Okay, there are a few acceptable >> reasons......BUT, hotdogs are NOT considered PORK! > > Huh??? Gee, all-beef hot dogs may not be considered pork, but I've > always considered pork hot dogs to be pork. I would think that most > people who don't eat pork (I'm not one of them) would be of similar > mind. > >> Anyone that needs 1000000000 pages or more on the nutritional merits >> of pork -- THE OTHER WHITE MEAT... > > Keli was apparently unaware of pork's nutritional merits. Armed with > those facts, the gastronomic enticements of the wonderful book, > "Charcuterie: The Craft of Salting, Smoking, and Curing" by Ruhlman > and Polcyn should be enough to tip the scales. Or not. > > From TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com Thu Jun 14 10:13:59 2007 From: TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com (Tom King) Date: Thu Jun 14 10:14:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Trade Printers In-Reply-To: References: <46713FD1.7010606@copycats.com> Message-ID: <000001c7ae8e$40f251c0$6900a8c0@Tom> Fascinating topic! I hope you guys will continue to keep us updated on how your 'pressless' shops are doing. I'm curious about the details. Do you turn away many print jobs, or do you try to have a vendor you can deal with for each type of job? Do you 'outsource' the printing on jobs and do the bindery yourself? (For instance, saddlestitched or coil bound books). I can see outsourcing 20,000 full color flyers - there are many vendors who do this type of work, but how do you handle smaller jobs, like 500 envelopes or letterheads? Do you have deals with local shops or do you send them away to one of those big 'national on-line' printers? Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com From michael at hooperprinting.com Thu Jun 14 10:33:20 2007 From: michael at hooperprinting.com (Michael Hooper) Date: Thu Jun 14 10:33:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] bumper stckers on copy machines In-Reply-To: <00a501c7ade2$2bbd7840$0100a8c0@foster501df6fb> References: <46702A3B.5000300@parchmentpress.net> <00a501c7ade2$2bbd7840$0100a8c0@foster501df6fb> Message-ID: We have an 8050 and use Ultra Laser White Vinyl from GPA 800-395-9000 Limited sizes, we use 8 3/8 x 10. 7/8 product no ZDDV4201R Keep in mind the 8050 isn't color safe, it fades in the sun. On Jun 13, 2007, at 1:42 PM, Vern Foster wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We used to buy a vinyl material we could run through our Canon 2400 > from MTM > in Oregon. But we upgraded to the Konica 8050 the fuser was too hot > for the > material. We are still waiting for them to develop something. > > When we were doing them, though, we were making decals for race > cars and > bumper stickers and our customers were always pleased with the > results. So > if you have a lower temperature machine, you might be okay. > > Vern > > > ======================================== > Vern Foster ~ Foster Press ~ Lake Stevens, WA > vern@fosterpress.com ~ 425-334-9317 > ======================================== > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Keli of > Coxsackie > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 10:33 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] bumper stckers on copy machines > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Anyone have any luck with bumper stickers with copiers? > > Especially xerox 7655 or 240 or 250 or any other from that family of > copiers. > > > just wondering? > thanks, > Michael Markuson (aka Keli) > Parchment Press > 52 S River St > Coxsackie, NY 12051 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Michael Hooper Hooper Printing 2125 Bowes rd. Lowell, MI 49331 616-897-6719 michael@hooperprinting.com http://www.hooperprinting.com From rstor at copycats.com Thu Jun 14 10:47:36 2007 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Thu Jun 14 11:08:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Trade Printers In-Reply-To: <000001c7ae8e$40f251c0$6900a8c0@Tom> References: <46713FD1.7010606@copycats.com> <000001c7ae8e$40f251c0$6900a8c0@Tom> Message-ID: <46715508.3030500@copycats.com> Tom King wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Fascinating topic! I hope you guys will continue to keep us updated on how > your 'pressless' shops are doing. > > I'm curious about the details. Do you turn away many print jobs, or do you > try to have a vendor you can deal with for each type of job? > We have 5 printers, each with different capabilities, with whom we deal on a regular basis. Most are long-term relationships. They are not primarily based on price but on ability to do the job right and on time. Because of this, we do lose work from price-sensitive clients. > Do you 'outsource' the printing on jobs and do the bindery yourself? (For > instance, saddlestitched or coil bound books). > We do most of the bindery in-house. > I can see outsourcing 20,000 full color flyers - there are many vendors who > do this type of work, but how do you handle smaller jobs, like 500 envelopes > or letterheads? Do you have deals with local shops or do you send them away > to one of those big 'national on-line' printers? > > One of the printers we use is for short-run poly plate kind of stuff. He is exclusively trade. Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com From sos at olympus.net Thu Jun 14 11:14:25 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu Jun 14 11:14:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] one time need to extract photos from an existing pdf. References: <20070613.221626.3720.11.braddpotter@juno.com> Message-ID: <004c01c7ae96$b222eff0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> As an earlier post suggested, just open in Photoshop. Or you can use the selection tool to select the photo, right click on it and select edit selection and just that photo will open in Photoshop. You can then do a Save As. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From John at mpcny.com Thu Jun 14 11:33:06 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Thu Jun 14 11:33:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Nice promo product Re: Customer Appreciation Day In-Reply-To: <20070614123319.DD1428D79EF@rb.enter.net> References: <20070614123319.DD1428D79EF@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <002401c7ae99$4e4c6fd0$eae54f70$@com> We did the Chamber blender here last month big hit. I cooked 2 whole smoked briskets with wine cheese and beer. Outside of the brisket, the big hit was the snack tray I ordered with our logo. We used this wine/snack tray with our logo on it. Deal cost was with set-up and shipping about $140 for 100 of them. http://www.baystate.com/page.asp?Keyword=K316&Page=search&O= This was so cool and everyone could take a few home. We are dropping off these on all sales calls and to a person they all surprised and it is a hit. At $1.40, an inexpensive unique summer giveaway. You as a printer, get the dealer pricing if you ask or use your ASN number (we are not an ASN and still get it on 99% of promo products at dealer rates Here is my contacts information, the letters in () being your discount amount codes. The discount codes you see will start at A or P with each being 50 percent and decreasing 5 percent with each successive letter. In other words the B on this product means price shown less 45 percent, C is 40 percent, D is 35 percent, E is 30 percent, etc. The same thing for P, Q, R, S, T, etc. ? 50 percent, 45 percent, 40 percent, 35 percent, 30 percent, etc. K316 = $1.74 (B) each On sale now thru 8/31/07 Set-up charge = $35.00 (g) per color 2nd Color Run Charge = $0.20 (g) run Paper Proof (fax'd or e-mailed) = $10.00 (g) PMS Color Match - $35.00 (g) per color Lead Time = 10 Working Days I dealt with: Josette Bosse Bay State Specialty Co. Ph: 508-947-6700 x37 Fax: 800-832-9277 www.baystate.com) John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/848 - Release Date: 6/13/2007 12:50 PM From ron at printingconcepts.com Thu Jun 14 11:43:35 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Thu Jun 14 11:38:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Customer Appreciation Day Message-ID: We just completed a relatively successful customer appreciation even, had about 75 customers come and came to the following conclusions after previously trying many formats 1. Customers will not come on their own time, they want to take off work (we gave out prizes at 7:00pm, nearly all had left by that time. 2. We had May 4, we felt this might be a social doldrums but still had a chance at good weather. 3. We traded printing with an upscale caterer, people were talking about the food for weeks afterwards 4. We had scratch offs placed on a map or layout of our facility, and customers had to visit each station in order to win a prize. 5. We co-oped with a local photographer who had great photos of birds from the National Park which is close to our community. We printed two posters of the birds as a demo, and customers got to see the finishing processes for some greeting cards with bird images. We are now using the bird cards as giveaways, a surprising number of people are really into birds. 6. We should have sent out email reminders, we had a high no-show rate compared to people who RSVP'd Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "To each there comes in their lifetime a special moment when they are figuratively tapped on the shoulder and offered the chance to do a very special thing, unique to them and fitted to their talents. What a tragedy if that moment finds them unprepared or unqualified for that which could have been their finest hour." --Winston Churchill "When a nation has allowed itself to fall under a tyrannical regime, it cannot be absolved from the faults due to the guilt of the regime." --Winston Churchill Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From alewinter at datapalette.com Thu Jun 14 11:43:41 2007 From: alewinter at datapalette.com (Andrew LeWinter) Date: Thu Jun 14 11:41:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Customer Appreciation Day References: <1C457725-04A4-44A8-B7B8-F341F7229A6F@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D50154AC4@mail1.datapalette.local> Hot Dogs marked ALL BEEF obviously contain no pork, MEAT hot dogs may/or may not contain pork. Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 10:44 PM To: printowners printowners Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Customer Appreciation Day ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** WHO doesn't eat PORK?????!!!!!! Okay, there are a few acceptable reasons......BUT, hotdogs are NOT considered PORK! Anyone that needs 1000000000 pages or more on the nutritional merits of pork -- THE OTHER WHITE MEAT, I'll bring a truckload with me to chicago for the NAQP conference in September. :))))) Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jedwards at printzilla.net Thu Jun 14 11:47:20 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Thu Jun 14 11:49:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] one time need to extract photos from an existing pdf. In-Reply-To: <004c01c7ae96$b222eff0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <20070613.221626.3720.11.braddpotter@juno.com> <004c01c7ae96$b222eff0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <83FED9A6-560C-4F6F-B899-AF5F909B8941@printzilla.net> On Jun 14, 2007, at 10:14 AM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > As an earlier post suggested, just open in Photoshop. Or you can > use the selection tool to select the photo, right click on it and > select edit selection and just that photo will open in Photoshop. > You can then do a Save As. In Acrobat? Which version? The one I haven't downloaded yet? Doesn't seem to work here. It would be cool if it would extract the entire picture from the pdf and not just the cropped, clipped, masked, reduced or enlarged version you would get by opening the whole pdf in Photoshop. Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North From james at ccwest.com Thu Jun 14 12:10:07 2007 From: james at ccwest.com (James Diorio) Date: Thu Jun 14 12:10:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printsmith 8.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6BE7C569-ECC3-4545-B07F-DBD88650ACCD@ccwest.com> Just got an upgrade disk in the mail for Printsmith 8.0. It of course came with zero literature and i've heard nothing about the upgrade. Any brave souls out there installed it yet? Anyone know where to find info about new features and options? Thanks! --------------------------------------------- James Diorio 512-804-2299 www.ccwest.com From cpurvine1 at cox.net Thu Jun 14 12:20:07 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Thu Jun 14 12:19:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printsmith 8.0 In-Reply-To: <6BE7C569-ECC3-4545-B07F-DBD88650ACCD@ccwest.com> References: <6BE7C569-ECC3-4545-B07F-DBD88650ACCD@ccwest.com> Message-ID: <004c01c7ae9f$dfa62830$0200a8c0@corapurvine> Wouldn't it be on their website? I use Printer's Plan and we know what the upgrades are because we have requested them and the owners keep us informed as to which requests they included when they send our upgrades. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of James Diorio Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 11:10 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Printsmith 8.0 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Just got an upgrade disk in the mail for Printsmith 8.0. It of course came with zero literature and i've heard nothing about the upgrade. Any brave souls out there installed it yet? Anyone know where to find info about new features and options? Thanks! --------------------------------------------- James Diorio 512-804-2299 www.ccwest.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2329 (20070614) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From jacemeister at gmail.com Thu Jun 14 12:34:13 2007 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Thu Jun 14 12:34:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Trade Printers In-Reply-To: <000001c7ae8e$40f251c0$6900a8c0@Tom> References: <46713FD1.7010606@copycats.com> <000001c7ae8e$40f251c0$6900a8c0@Tom> Message-ID: > Fascinating topic! I hope you guys will continue to keep us updated on how > your 'pressless' shops are doing. > > I'm curious about the details. Do you turn away many print jobs, or do you > try to have a vendor you can deal with for each type of job? > > Do you 'outsource' the printing on jobs and do the bindery yourself? (For > instance, saddlestitched or coil bound books). > > I can see outsourcing 20,000 full color flyers - there are many vendors who > do this type of work, but how do you handle smaller jobs, like 500 envelopes > or letterheads? Do you have deals with local shops or do you send them away > to one of those big 'national on-line' printers? > > Tom King We aren't exactly "pressless", Tom. I have 7 presses here, from 1-color duplicators to our 2-color 25" press, including a recently acquired Ryobi 524-HXX-A. Less than two months ago I installed a direct-to-metal plate maker. It seems that no matter how much I invest in top of the line equipment, I simply cannot find operators. For the time being, I'll keep all bindery in-house. I'm switching much of our offset work to the IR105 and C5000 copiers and brokering the rest until I can find press operators who take pride in their work. Otherwise, I'll sell off the presses and keep enough work to keep my dedicated employees employed and well paid. Now that I've made the leap I'm finding more suppliers than I had anticipated, and we are working diligently to set up our approved vendor lists to match the proper work to the proper vendor so as not to waste their time bidding jobs that don't suit them. -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com From robin at protypeonline.com Thu Jun 14 12:53:56 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Thu Jun 14 12:53:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ikon Deals - Contracts Signed Message-ID: <84BE51A2-4902-4E92-A521-DC399F9B0F8D@protypeonline.com> thank you everyone for helping me in my search for a digital color printer to replace our KM C6500 that KM has agreed to take back and refund 100% of my money -- including the spectrometer and software we purchased to use with the machine. To repeat: the KM C6500 is a good machine, we could not get any service, not even bad service! Purchasing Ikon CPP 650:$45,980 delivered and installed. Click charge locked for 3 years at: $0.045 color/ $0.012 black NO Minimums or monthly base fees Machine configuration: doc feeder, large capacity paper drawers, stapler finisher, hole puncher with receding stacker, EFI 450 external rip, HD kit, relay station with power. Purchasing Canon iR7095: $27, 997 delivered and installed. Click charge locked for 3 years at: $0.0465 NO Minimums or monthly base fees Machine configuration: doc feeder, large capacity paper tray, bookletmaker finisher, staple, punch, receding stacker, ImagePass S2 external rip, cover insertion unit Larry Hunt was very helpful to me in examining and interpreting these agreements. As I told Larry, being 100 miles south of Chicago may not seem like a big deal, but it IS -- it is a different world where I only have very limited suppliers. I have ONE Ikon dealer to chose to or not to do business with. One Xerox dealer, one canon, etc....and these are all a minimum of 30 miles from my physical location. We have received excellent service from Ikon over the last 4.5 years and since the CPP 650 is virtually the same machine as the KM C6500 box we now have, it was a fairly simple decision. With that said, I did research and consider the Xerox 250 (demo price) and the new 242. While quality is excellent, I was hesitant about their ability to feed cover stocks consistently and from the drawer. We can feed 80#, 12 x 18 from our drawers right now. And duplex automatically when registration is not critical. That's the scoop folks. Thank you very much for all your help and sharing of your terms, etc. Robin p.s. "just another week at the shop" -- sales per employee stat will be taking a jump due to my terminating a 10 month employee that was a super guy-- but not the right guy for the job and did not take any responsibility off my shoulders and I did not see that he was going to help me grow and improve. Tough decision but had to be done, in my opinion. Met with an attorney that represents another local printing business (there are only two of us!) and community newspaper. Their gross sales are approx. $240,000 -- down from a couple million 10 years ago...they still have a huge staff. top 10 accounts represent 50% of gross sales and 8 of top 10 accounts are 30-120 miles from Paxton....one business in one town -- told me that the chances that particular business was using them was for personal/relative? reasons. Gone through 5 outside sales reps in last 5 years.....nothing computerized, place is a disaster. Soooo, what would I offer them? Oh -- and they gave the staff two week notices last week before anything permanent was decided and they (the staff) is running all over God's green earth sharing false info. etc......At first I was inclined to offer 10% IF any of the accounts were able to be retained...but only for 1 year. They wanted cash and I told them, "have a nice day, I wish you all the best in the future". And then I bought two new copiers. Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From robin at protypeonline.com Thu Jun 14 13:23:28 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Thu Jun 14 13:22:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Used Copier Value Message-ID: <8FB2CA66-721C-43D6-A0CD-F12CC8CECE29@protypeonline.com> we are trying to decide whether or not to keep our current iR105 with cover inserter, large capacity paper feeder, saddle stitcher, internal rip and doc feeder -- 12 million copies on it -- when we get our new iR7095. We also have an iR550 that I bought dirt cheap a year ago and it only had 1,000,000 copies on it and it has been a great backup for us -- we put anywhere from 30-50,000 copies/month on it....but our click charge is 0.007 which is high but..... the 550 only has the stapler on it, but my gut tells me to keep it and not the 105. Can I get anything for the 105 with this many copies on it? It is 4.5 years old -- decided to replace it to get an ugraded rip and also to get a better deal on new color copier by bundling.... Honestly, we do not currently have room to keep them all but like I've done in the last year, somehow, someway we MAKE room if its the best decision. robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu Jun 14 13:43:39 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu Jun 14 13:43:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] [off] Customer Appreciation Day In-Reply-To: <46714CB1.2060801@parchmentpress.net> References: <1C457725-04A4-44A8-B7B8-F341F7229A6F@protypeonline.com> <98f5b19a0706132135g14769e0bw232568a8f1e38f96@mail.gmail.com> <46714CB1.2060801@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0706141043p639c669fma8681f061dcde684@mail.gmail.com> On 6/14/07, Keli of Coxsackie wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Sorry - I do not eat swine! > No matter how nutritious or tasty it might be. > I want to live to please God and scripture is quite plain on this matter. > > I think we have taken this topic from business to off business! > Lets us go back to business! > If anyone wants to email me privately - feel free! I was joking about the enticement, Keli/Michael. I just wanted to let those who might be interested, know about the excellent book about "Charcuterie." About being off-topic, I was going to write that your pronouncement about eating pork was exactly the type of comment that was bound to take a discussion off-topic. It was totally unnecessary and sure to ruffle some feathers. You're entitled to your beliefs, and I respect them as long as you don't try to preach them to me (telling me/us what we'd better not serve) on this list. Personally, scripture may be clear to you on this issue, but not to me. Nor could you make it so. There are far too many people on this earth who cling to dogmatic beliefs in the charade of "pleasing God," and are variously miserable, unethical, immoral, dishonest, unscrupulous, incompassionate, or un-nice in any number of other ways. (And unfortunately, they're not all in DC). I doubt that God really gives a damn what I eat. Nor have I ever seen evidence suggesting that dogmatic devotion to scripture makes people "good." Before you flame me, ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. From james at ccwest.com Thu Jun 14 14:09:31 2007 From: james at ccwest.com (James Diorio) Date: Thu Jun 14 14:09:35 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printsmith 8.0 In-Reply-To: 004c01c7ae9f$dfa62830$0200a8c0@corapurvine Message-ID: <20070614180931.a3d1aa54@James-Diorios-Computer.local> I would love to learn more about printers plan but they don't support Macs. I run 11 stations, all apples. So the cost to move to PP and buy 11 new PC's......not do-able. But I am impressed that everyone loves PP so much....I can only hope that keeps EFI on their toes for future PS upgrades. James ----- Original Message ----- From: Cora Purvine [mailto:cpurvine1@cox.net] To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' [mailto:printowners@printweb.org] Sent: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:20:07 -0500 Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Printsmith 8.0 > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Wouldn't it be on their website? > > I use Printer's Plan and we know what the upgrades are because we have > requested them and the owners keep us informed as to which requests they > included when they send our upgrades. > > > Class Act Printing and Foil > Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners > 5801 W. Juno Ave. > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 > cpurvine1@cox.net > www.ClassActPrinting.biz > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of James Diorio > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 11:10 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] Printsmith 8.0 > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Just got an upgrade disk in the mail for Printsmith 8.0. It of course came > with zero literature and i've heard nothing about the upgrade. > > Any brave souls out there installed it yet? Anyone know where to find info > about new features and options? > > Thanks! > > --------------------------------------------- > James Diorio > 512-804-2299 > www.ccwest.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2329 (20070614) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From cpurvine1 at cox.net Thu Jun 14 14:23:37 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Thu Jun 14 14:23:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printsmith 8.0 In-Reply-To: <20070614180931.a3d1aa54@James-Diorios-Computer.local> References: 004c01c7ae9f$dfa62830$0200a8c0@corapurvine <20070614180931.a3d1aa54@James-Diorios-Computer.local> Message-ID: <005701c7aeb1$21f6df20$0200a8c0@corapurvine> At least it seems like they should give you a list of improvements!!! Sorry. I think that I heard that Printer's Plan is working on making it Mac compatible, but not sure as I don't have any Macs. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From eking at whidbeyprinters.com Thu Jun 14 14:27:17 2007 From: eking at whidbeyprinters.com (Eric at Whidbey Printers) Date: Thu Jun 14 14:27:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printsmith 8.0 In-Reply-To: <20070614180931.a3d1aa54@James-Diorios-Computer.local> Message-ID: Looks like the Printsmith website is not updated yet. On the 8.0 CD I found a Release notes pdf (77 pages) and the Reference Manual pdf. Hope this helps. On 6/14/07 11:09 AM, "James Diorio" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I would love to learn more about printers plan but they don't support Macs. I > run 11 stations, all apples. So the cost to move to PP and buy 11 new > PC's......not do-able. > > But I am impressed that everyone loves PP so much....I can only hope that > keeps EFI on their toes for future PS upgrades. > > James > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cora Purvine > [mailto:cpurvine1@cox.net] > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners > Only' [mailto:printowners@printweb.org] > Sent: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:20:07 > -0500 > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Printsmith 8.0 > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Wouldn't it be on their website? >> >> I use Printer's Plan and we know what the upgrades are because we have >> requested them and the owners keep us informed as to which requests they >> included when they send our upgrades. >> >> >> Class Act Printing and Foil >> Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners >> 5801 W. Juno Ave. >> Wichita, KS 67215-1742 >> Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 >> cpurvine1@cox.net >> www.ClassActPrinting.biz >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of James Diorio >> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 11:10 AM >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> Subject: [PrintOwners] Printsmith 8.0 >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Just got an upgrade disk in the mail for Printsmith 8.0. It of course came >> with zero literature and i've heard nothing about the upgrade. >> >> Any brave souls out there installed it yet? Anyone know where to find info >> about new features and options? >> >> Thanks! >> >> --------------------------------------------- >> James Diorio >> 512-804-2299 >> www.ccwest.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> __________ NOD32 2329 (20070614) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > -- 2003 & 2002 Quality Award - Oak Harbor Chamber of Commerce 2001 Business of the Year - Oak Harbor Chamber of Commerce Eric King Whidbey Printers 1330 SW Barlow St #1 Oak Harbor, WA 98277 360-675-8837 Fax 360-679-4120 eking@whidbeyprinters.com From jeff at hprinting.biz Thu Jun 14 14:50:02 2007 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Thu Jun 14 14:59:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Trade Printers In-Reply-To: References: <46713FD1.7010606@copycats.com> <000001c7ae8e$40f251c0$6900a8c0@Tom> Message-ID: <20070614185003.23754.451@hm-pop1.solinus.com> At 12:34 PM 6/14/2007, you wrote: >We aren't exactly "pressless", Tom. I have 7 presses here, from >1-color duplicators to our 2-color 25" press, including a recently >acquired Ryobi 524-HXX-A. Less than two months ago I installed a >direct-to-metal plate maker. Sounds like a lot of money sitting around if you aren't producing anything on it. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From kellycrom at gmail.com Thu Jun 14 15:02:23 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Thu Jun 14 15:02:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printsmith 8.0 In-Reply-To: <6BE7C569-ECC3-4545-B07F-DBD88650ACCD@ccwest.com> References: <6BE7C569-ECC3-4545-B07F-DBD88650ACCD@ccwest.com> Message-ID: <003501c7aeb6$8b5f2da0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Look at/read the release notes pdf on the cd. I just returned from EFI Connect, and got to see all of the enhancements/changes in 8.0. There are quite a few, some I'll probably use, and some not so much. They are already a good way into the next major release which will be 8.1. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of James Diorio > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 11:10 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] Printsmith 8.0 > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Just got an upgrade disk in the mail for Printsmith 8.0. It of > course came with zero literature and i've heard nothing about the > upgrade. > > Any brave souls out there installed it yet? Anyone know where to > find info about new features and options? > > Thanks! > > --------------------------------------------- > James Diorio > 512-804-2299 > www.ccwest.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From james at ccwest.com Thu Jun 14 15:08:56 2007 From: james at ccwest.com (James Diorio) Date: Thu Jun 14 15:09:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printsmith 8.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69AAC93E-016F-4A51-B02D-C4E4E8D29BCC@ccwest.com> thanks for the tip! I'll do that! --------------------------------------------- James Diorio 512-804-2299 www.ccwest.com I will be out of the office from June 18th-22nd. Rex and Michael will be covering my calls and emails! On Jun 14, 2007, at 1:27 PM, Eric at Whidbey Printers wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Looks like the Printsmith website is not updated yet. > > On the 8.0 CD I found a Release notes pdf (77 pages) and the Reference > Manual pdf. > > Hope this helps. > > > On 6/14/07 11:09 AM, "James Diorio" wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I would love to learn more about printers plan but they don't >> support Macs. I >> run 11 stations, all apples. So the cost to move to PP and buy 11 >> new >> PC's......not do-able. >> >> But I am impressed that everyone loves PP so much....I can only >> hope that >> keeps EFI on their toes for future PS upgrades. >> >> James >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Cora Purvine >> [mailto:cpurvine1@cox.net] >> To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners >> Only' [mailto:printowners@printweb.org] >> Sent: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:20:07 >> -0500 >> Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Printsmith 8.0 >> >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> Wouldn't it be on their website? >>> >>> I use Printer's Plan and we know what the upgrades are because we >>> have >>> requested them and the owners keep us informed as to which >>> requests they >>> included when they send our upgrades. >>> >>> >>> Class Act Printing and Foil >>> Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners >>> 5801 W. Juno Ave. >>> Wichita, KS 67215-1742 >>> Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 >>> cpurvine1@cox.net >>> www.ClassActPrinting.biz >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >>> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of James Diorio >>> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 11:10 AM >>> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >>> Subject: [PrintOwners] Printsmith 8.0 >>> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> Just got an upgrade disk in the mail for Printsmith 8.0. It of >>> course came >>> with zero literature and i've heard nothing about the upgrade. >>> >>> Any brave souls out there installed it yet? Anyone know where to >>> find info >>> about new features and options? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> --------------------------------------------- >>> James Diorio >>> 512-804-2299 >>> www.ccwest.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ NOD32 2329 (20070614) Information __________ >>> >>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > -- > 2003 & 2002 Quality Award - Oak Harbor Chamber of Commerce > 2001 Business of the Year - Oak Harbor Chamber of Commerce > > Eric King > Whidbey Printers > 1330 SW Barlow St #1 > Oak Harbor, WA 98277 > 360-675-8837 > Fax 360-679-4120 > eking@whidbeyprinters.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com Thu Jun 14 16:45:34 2007 From: s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com (Sonya Hughes) Date: Thu Jun 14 16:48:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 12 X 17 Scanner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <070388F5-6D2F-4D8E-9A1E-391551FF648A@legendsofdodgecity.com> We are upgrading our scanner, and looking at a couple of 12 X 17 Scanners. One is the Epson Expression 10000XL, the other is a Microtek ScanMaker 9800XL. Does anyone have any experience with either of these ... or a recommendation for one they have and like? I would appreciate any advice/suggestions. TIA, Sonya Legends Printing Dodge City, KS From jacemeister at gmail.com Thu Jun 14 16:51:32 2007 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Thu Jun 14 16:51:35 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Trade Printers In-Reply-To: <20070614185003.23754.451@hm-pop1.solinus.com> References: <46713FD1.7010606@copycats.com> <000001c7ae8e$40f251c0$6900a8c0@Tom> <20070614185003.23754.451@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Message-ID: > Sounds like a lot of money sitting around if you > aren't producing anything on it. > > Jeff > Haines Printing Co. It is, Jeff. I thought by investing in top-quality equipment I would see top-quality results. I guess it doesn't pay to buy a Rolls Royce if you don't have a driver . I believed my operators when they said if I bought better equipment they could produce better work. Obviously it wasn't the equipment after all. I also thought buying more automated equipment would entice better employees to want to work here. I continue to advertise for good people, but if it doesn't happen I'll just liquidate the equipment. Our current ratio is 4.6:1, so even though we're in excellent shape financially we'll have to settle for less profits until I get reorganized. When its all said and done I believe our profits will still be very high and I'll have a lot less headaches. Not to mention the fact that I'll be reducing payroll by over $100,000 within the next two or three weeks unless there are unexpected changes. -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com From ed at graphicprintersinc.com Thu Jun 14 17:01:06 2007 From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce) Date: Thu Jun 14 17:01:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 12 X 17 Scanner In-Reply-To: <070388F5-6D2F-4D8E-9A1E-391551FF648A@legendsofdodgecity.com> Message-ID: <007201c7aec7$2052a300$5a01a8c0@fileserver> We have had a UMAX Powerlook 2100 XL for a number of years and we have been very pleased with it. It seems slow but it does an excellent job and will scan a 12 x 18. Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Sonya Hughes Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 3:46 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Cc: m.rand@legendsofdodgecity.com Subject: [PrintOwners] 12 X 17 Scanner ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are upgrading our scanner, and looking at a couple of 12 X 17 Scanners. One is the Epson Expression 10000XL, the other is a Microtek ScanMaker 9800XL. Does anyone have any experience with either of these ... or a recommendation for one they have and like? I would appreciate any advice/suggestions. TIA, Sonya Legends Printing Dodge City, KS _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2329 (20070614) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From John at mpcny.com Thu Jun 14 17:47:37 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Thu Jun 14 17:47:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: PrintOwners Digest, Vol 22, Issue 44 In-Reply-To: <20070614210114.026D78DA3D1@rb.enter.net> References: <20070614210114.026D78DA3D1@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <000401c7aecd$a016dc90$e04495b0$@com> I have found the Epson's to have the fastest scanning times and best built in the price/size range. The other is a weaker choice in my view. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/848 - Release Date: 6/13/2007 12:50 PM From jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com Thu Jun 14 18:06:49 2007 From: jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com (Jim Quinn) Date: Thu Jun 14 18:11:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 12 X 17 Scanner In-Reply-To: <070388F5-6D2F-4D8E-9A1E-391551FF648A@legendsofdodgecity.com> Message-ID: We got the Epson Expression XL Graphics that is a network scanner a couple months ago - Outstanding quality & ease of use. Their Help desk is a little retarded however. We called the first day we got it about a network question and they said our warranty had expired. Jim Quinn Sir Speedy 4043 15323 Midway Road Addison, TX 75001 Phone 972-788-4266 Fax 972-788-2367 jquinn@sirspeedy4043.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Sonya Hughes Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 3:46 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Cc: m.rand@legendsofdodgecity.com Subject: [PrintOwners] 12 X 17 Scanner ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are upgrading our scanner, and looking at a couple of 12 X 17 Scanners. One is the Epson Expression 10000XL, the other is a Microtek ScanMaker 9800XL. Does anyone have any experience with either of these ... or a recommendation for one they have and like? I would appreciate any advice/suggestions. TIA, Sonya Legends Printing Dodge City, KS _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From lbaribeau at paragon-print.com Thu Jun 14 18:19:06 2007 From: lbaribeau at paragon-print.com (Linda Baribeau) Date: Thu Jun 14 18:16:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Straight Bill of Lading Message-ID: <000801c7aed2$06e49f80$042967d3@kp4> I am looking for a supplier of a standard???? Straight Bill of Lading form. I have tried every business form company I can think of. Ennis, Deluxe, Western Business, even Office Depot, Office Max. They have them but not the sample that was provided to me. Can anyone suggest others? It is 8 1/2 x 11 with a laser snap on top. 3 part, has carbons, all copies white. Thanks.......been looking on line for an hour. Linda Linda Baribeau Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc. 2041 West Mill Road Glendale, WI 53209 Ph. 414-332-2080 Fax 414-964-3299 From nt at andrewsblueprint.com Thu Jun 14 18:26:09 2007 From: nt at andrewsblueprint.com (Nancy Thomsen) Date: Thu Jun 14 18:26:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Trade Printers In-Reply-To: <000001c7ae8e$40f251c0$6900a8c0@Tom> References: <46713FD1.7010606@copycats.com> <000001c7ae8e$40f251c0$6900a8c0@Tom> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20070614150300.02bd1270@mail.andrewsblueprint.com> We just went press-less. My press operator moved to Nashville 3 months ago and I bought a KM C6500 two and a half months ago. I have partnered with a friendly competitor 15 miles away. He runs AB Dicks with t-heads and poly plates. We have sent almost everything single and 2 color to them for 3 months. The large envelope orders go to an envelope trade printer in Oakland (100 miles away.) Color business cards and postcards go to 4over. The color work goes to a trade printer in Fresno (150 miles away.) We are printing the program for the local Rodeo right now... at the trade printer. The markups are great on 4over and envelopes, good on the trade printer and not so good on the local printer, but my payroll is down because I didn't replace the press operator. The one problem we have is not being in control of production. The C6500 was delivered and installed Tuesday. It is so nice to actually produce some work. I didn't realize the thing would fold. I walked over last night a saw a menu job coming out folded. Cool! It is so much easier that dealing with printing. We needed a new CTP system. We needed a new press. We needed a new operator. What a weight off my shoulders. Nancy Nancy Thomsen Andrews Blueprint, Inc. 269 Griffin St. Salinas, CA 93901 831-424-0331 Fax 831-424-7485 Fax www.andrewsblueprint.com At 07:13 AM 6/14/2007, Tom King wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Do you 'outsource' the printing on jobs and do the bindery yourself? >(For instance, saddlestitched or coil bound books). > >I can see outsourcing 20,000 full color flyers - there are many >vendors who do this type of work, but how do you handle smaller >jobs, like 500 envelopes or letterheads? Do you have deals with >local shops or do you send them away to one of those big 'national >on-line' printers? > > >Tom King From awbunny at earthlink.net Thu Jun 14 18:36:51 2007 From: awbunny at earthlink.net (Amy Watson) Date: Thu Jun 14 18:36:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 12 X 17 Scanner In-Reply-To: <070388F5-6D2F-4D8E-9A1E-391551FF648A@legendsofdodgecity.com> References: <070388F5-6D2F-4D8E-9A1E-391551FF648A@legendsofdodgecity.com> Message-ID: We have a Microtek ScanMaker 9800XL. Have used it for a couple of years now, no problems. I bought it for the size flexibility, but I rarely scan as large as 12 x 18. Amy Watson 1984 PRINTING 674 23rd Street Oakland, CA 94612 510.435.8338 amy@1984printing.com www.1984printing.com On Jun 14, 2007, at 1:45 PM, Sonya Hughes wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are upgrading our scanner, and looking at a couple of 12 X 17 > Scanners. One is the Epson Expression 10000XL, the other is a > Microtek ScanMaker 9800XL. Does anyone have any experience with > either of these ... or a recommendation for one they have and > like? I would appreciate any advice/suggestions. > TIA, > Sonya > Legends Printing > Dodge City, KS > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Thu Jun 14 18:51:53 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Thu Jun 14 18:53:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Trade Printers In-Reply-To: <20070614210113.555808DA3CE@rb.enter.net> References: <20070614210113.555808DA3CE@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <0eb66a9b95a417e4224a4c795ce95de9@sheergraphics.com> Jace, Give Vincent van Gogh a child's paintbox and he would have created a work of art, give a child van Gogh's palette and the child makes a mess. It's not just the equipment that produces excellence, the operator must be excellent. Attracting and hiring good employee candidates is very time consuming, as we have recently reminded ourselves, but ridding yourself poor employees is essential. Morale suffers and damaging influence of other employees are reflected in the profit. If you broker out most of your printing, your margins must increase, or you are just turning dollars - been there, done that! Your headaches will be different and the causes out of your control. We try to do most things inhouse and broker very little. Our good employees, and the new one, will enjoy our new equipment, but new machines are the result of their work not the solution to poor performers. Good Luck! Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more >> Sounds like a lot of money sitting around if you >> aren't producing anything on it. >> >> Jeff >> Haines Printing Co. > It is, Jeff. I thought by investing in top-quality equipment I would > see top-quality results. I guess it doesn't pay to buy a Rolls Royce > if you don't have a driver . I believed my operators when they said > if I bought better equipment they could produce better work. Obviously > it wasn't the equipment after all. > > I also thought buying more automated equipment would entice better > employees to want to work here. > > I continue to advertise for good people, but if it doesn't happen I'll > just liquidate the equipment. Our current ratio is 4.6:1, so even > though we're in excellent shape financially we'll have to settle for > less profits until I get reorganized. When its all said and done I > believe our profits will still be very high and I'll have a lot less > headaches. Not to mention the fact that I'll be reducing payroll by > over $100,000 within the next two or three weeks unless there are > unexpected changes. > -- > Jace Prejean From printmail at goinsty.com Thu Jun 14 19:51:45 2007 From: printmail at goinsty.com (Rob Meier) Date: Thu Jun 14 19:52:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 12 X 17 Scanner In-Reply-To: <070388F5-6D2F-4D8E-9A1E-391551FF648A@legendsofdodgecity.com> References: <070388F5-6D2F-4D8E-9A1E-391551FF648A@legendsofdodgecity.com> Message-ID: <4671D491.9000604@goinsty.com> Sonya, My last three scanners have all been Microtek (1 - 9800XL and 2 - Scanmaker i900s) and all have developed a green band that eventually covers the whole image. I've liked the quality, but none have given more than 2 years of service. The Epson from 1998 just died this winter. Good luck Rob Meier Sonya Hughes wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are upgrading our scanner, and looking at a couple of 12 X 17 > Scanners. One is the Epson Expression 10000XL, the other is a Microtek > ScanMaker 9800XL. Does anyone have any experience with either of these > ... or a recommendation for one they have and like? I would > appreciate any advice/suggestions. > TIA, > Sonya > Legends Printing > Dodge City, KS > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > -- _____________________________ Insty-Prints 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-1959 phone (800) 258-8122 toll free (715) 835-7078 fax goinsty@goinsty.com _____________________________ Star Marking - Rubber Stamps 2425 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-4001 phone (800) 634-4002 toll free (715) 835-7078 fax stamps@starmarking.com From Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au Thu Jun 14 20:12:35 2007 From: Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au (Harry Brelsford) Date: Thu Jun 14 20:12:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 12 X 17 Scanner In-Reply-To: <070388F5-6D2F-4D8E-9A1E-391551FF648A@legendsofdodgecity.com> References: <070388F5-6D2F-4D8E-9A1E-391551FF648A@legendsofdodgecity.com> Message-ID: We use our color copiers - most have a scan back feature at 600 optical dpi. Harry >We are upgrading our scanner, and looking at a couple of 12 X 17 >Scanners. One is the Epson Expression 10000XL, the other is a >Microtek ScanMaker 9800XL. Does anyone have any experience with >either of these ... or a recommendation for one they have and like? >I would appreciate any advice/suggestions. >TIA, >Sonya >Legends Printing >Dodge City, KS > -- Harry Brelsford Varsity Graphics Shop 2 - 195 Varsity Parade Varsity Lakes QLD 4227 Australia Ph: 61 7 5575 9417 Fax: 61 7 5575 8091 Harry@VarsityGraphics.com.au From tufelkinder at gmail.com Thu Jun 14 21:44:01 2007 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Thu Jun 14 21:44:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 12 X 17 Scanner In-Reply-To: References: <070388F5-6D2F-4D8E-9A1E-391551FF648A@legendsofdodgecity.com> Message-ID: <84f70d5e0706141844w6b976093lb93d7c241ac65521@mail.gmail.com> Epson 10000XL and we love it. Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA http://mercersburg.net 800-955-3902 tufelkinder@gmail.com -~ Only the mediocre are always at their best. -- Jean Giraudoux From jdaghir at gmail.com Thu Jun 14 23:34:15 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Thu Jun 14 23:34:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printsmith 8.0 In-Reply-To: <6BE7C569-ECC3-4545-B07F-DBD88650ACCD@ccwest.com> References: <6BE7C569-ECC3-4545-B07F-DBD88650ACCD@ccwest.com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620706142034l53394fcck57541147354fddd8@mail.gmail.com> There's a bunch of new features - some minor and some major. As Kelly suggested read the release notes for the complete scoop. But the two biggies are the release of the Scheduler module (not a freebie - you have to purchase it) and a complete rewrite of the internal networking code that is supposed to eliminate the network related crashes and hangs that some users have experienced lately. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com On 6/14/07, James Diorio wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Just got an upgrade disk in the mail for Printsmith 8.0. It of > course came with zero literature and i've heard nothing about the > upgrade. > > Any brave souls out there installed it yet? Anyone know where to > find info about new features and options? > > Thanks! > > --------------------------------------------- > James Diorio > 512-804-2299 > www.ccwest.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From k_graham at hotmail.com Fri Jun 15 00:30:18 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Fri Jun 15 00:30:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 12 X 17 Scanner References: <070388F5-6D2F-4D8E-9A1E-391551FF648A@legendsofdodgecity.com> Message-ID: > We use our color copiers - most have a scan back feature at 600 optical > dpi. > > Ditto, plus duplex, plus multipage, networked. Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika From k_graham at hotmail.com Fri Jun 15 01:05:39 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Fri Jun 15 01:05:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ikon Deals - Contracts Signed References: <84BE51A2-4902-4E92-A521-DC399F9B0F8D@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: > Purchasing Ikon CPP 650:$45,980 delivered and installed. Click charge > locked for 3 years at: $0.045 color/ $0.012 black NO Minimums or monthly > base fees > Machine configuration: doc feeder, large capacity paper drawers, stapler > finisher, hole puncher with receding stacker, EFI 450 external rip, HD > kit, relay station with power. > or not to do business with. One Xerox dealer, one canon, etc....and these > are all a minimum of 30 miles from my physical location. We have received > excellent service from Ikon over the last 4.5 years and since the CPP 650 > is virtually the same machine as the KM C6500 box we now have, it was a > fairly simple decision. With that said, I did research and consider the > Xerox 250 (demo price) and the new 242. While quality is excellent, I was > hesitant about their ability to feed cover stocks consistently and from > the drawer. We can feed 80#, 12 x 18 from our drawers right now. And > duplex automatically when registration is not critical. > > That's the scoop folks. Thank you very much for all your help and sharing > of your terms, etc. A printer from Vancouver called yesterday with 500 & 650 from Ikon - they want them to pay for the spare fusers they now say are necessary - in excess of 10,000.00 if I understood him correctly, are you getting these included in the deal? Had the Ikon 500, been waiting 2 years for court due to Ikons turning down 2 or 3 prospective court dates. Happy with Xeroxes 240 & now 250 for 2nd location . Drop in Fusers, drums, toner, - the best service is being able to self service. Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika From stalprint at charter.net Fri Jun 15 08:11:24 2007 From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings) Date: Fri Jun 15 08:11:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Straight Bill of Lading In-Reply-To: <000801c7aed2$06e49f80$042967d3@kp4> References: <000801c7aed2$06e49f80$042967d3@kp4> Message-ID: <467281EC.4030201@charter.net> DFS/Nebs http://www.dfsonline.com/dfsEcat/LoginServlet Linda Baribeau wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I am looking for a supplier of a standard???? Straight Bill of Lading form. I have tried every business form company I can think of. Ennis, Deluxe, Western Business, even Office Depot, Office Max. They have them but not the sample that was provided to me. Can anyone suggest others? It is 8 1/2 x 11 with a laser snap on top. 3 part, has carbons, all copies white. > >Thanks.......been looking on line for an hour. > >Linda > >Linda Baribeau >Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc. >2041 West Mill Road >Glendale, WI 53209 >Ph. 414-332-2080 Fax 414-964-3299 >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net Lenoir, NC 28645 From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Fri Jun 15 08:43:31 2007 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Fri Jun 15 08:43:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] one time need to extract photos from an existing pdf. In-Reply-To: References: <20070613.221626.3720.11.braddpotter@juno.com> Message-ID: <46728973.1020904@sugarloafprint.com> Even WordPerfect X3 Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 Harry Brelsford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Open it in Illustrator > > or > > even in Photoshop > > Harry > > >> I have a pdf that is a slide show type of thing. >> >> I did NOT create this pdf. Nor can i reach the original preparer. >> >> But I need someone with more tools than we have to EXTRACT the >> individual >> photos so that I can add them to a different slide show program. >> >> This pdf appears to be in the public domain, in other words, I am not >> trying to do anything bad, I just do not have (or know what tools it >> takes..) to extract photos from a pdf. >> >> Is there anyone that can do this for me? I will send a pdf file, and get >> back 21 individual photos that I can add to my slide show? >> >> >> >> brad > > From lbaribeau at paragon-print.com Fri Jun 15 09:32:23 2007 From: lbaribeau at paragon-print.com (Linda Baribeau) Date: Fri Jun 15 09:30:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Straight Bill of Lading References: <000801c7aed2$06e49f80$042967d3@kp4> <467281EC.4030201@charter.net> Message-ID: <000d01c7af51$9ca4b440$042967d3@kp4> Thanks Mark. I will see if they have this one. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Stallings" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Straight Bill of Lading > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > DFS/Nebs > http://www.dfsonline.com/dfsEcat/LoginServlet > > > > Linda Baribeau wrote: > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >I am looking for a supplier of a standard???? Straight Bill of Lading form. I have tried every business form company I can think of. Ennis, Deluxe, Western Business, even Office Depot, Office Max. They have them but not the sample that was provided to me. Can anyone suggest others? It is 8 1/2 x 11 with a laser snap on top. 3 part, has carbons, all copies white. > > > >Thanks.......been looking on line for an hour. > > > >Linda > > > >Linda Baribeau > >Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc. > >2041 West Mill Road > >Glendale, WI 53209 > >Ph. 414-332-2080 Fax 414-964-3299 > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > > > -- > Mark Stallings > Stallings Printing > 828-758-1126 > stalprint@charter.net > Lenoir, NC 28645 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From cpress at northnet.org Fri Jun 15 10:22:49 2007 From: cpress at northnet.org (Tracy Charleson) Date: Fri Jun 15 10:22:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Straight Bill of Lading In-Reply-To: <20070615014408.E9FA68DB66F@rb.enter.net> References: <20070615014408.E9FA68DB66F@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Linda, Did you try DFS? Tracy L. Charleson Commercial Press, Inc. 216 Cowan Road Canton, New York 13617 Phone: 315-386-3431 Fax: 315-386-5259 email: cpress@northnet.org www.commercialpressink.com On Jun 14, 2007, at 9:44 PM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:19:06 -0500 > From: "Linda Baribeau" > Subject: [PrintOwners] Straight Bill of Lading > To: > Message-ID: <000801c7aed2$06e49f80$042967d3@kp4> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I am looking for a supplier of a standard???? Straight Bill of Lading > form. I have tried every business form company I can think of. Ennis, > Deluxe, Western Business, even Office Depot, Office Max. They have > them but not the sample that was provided to me. Can anyone suggest > others? It is 8 1/2 x 11 with a laser snap on top. 3 part, has > carbons, all copies white. > > Thanks.......been looking on line for an hour. > > Linda > > Linda Baribeau > Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc. > 2041 West Mill Road > Glendale, WI 53209 > Ph. 414-332-2080 Fax 414-964-3299 > From lbaribeau at paragon-print.com Fri Jun 15 10:43:25 2007 From: lbaribeau at paragon-print.com (Linda Baribeau) Date: Fri Jun 15 10:41:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Straight Bill of Lading References: <20070615014408.E9FA68DB66F@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <001701c7af5b$8a12c880$042967d3@kp4> Don't think so. Will try. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy Charleson" To: Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 9:22 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Straight Bill of Lading > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Linda, > Did you try DFS? > > Tracy L. Charleson > Commercial Press, Inc. > 216 Cowan Road > Canton, New York 13617 > Phone: 315-386-3431 > Fax: 315-386-5259 > email: cpress@northnet.org > www.commercialpressink.com > On Jun 14, 2007, at 9:44 PM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:19:06 -0500 > > From: "Linda Baribeau" > > Subject: [PrintOwners] Straight Bill of Lading > > To: > > Message-ID: <000801c7aed2$06e49f80$042967d3@kp4> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > I am looking for a supplier of a standard???? Straight Bill of Lading > > form. I have tried every business form company I can think of. Ennis, > > Deluxe, Western Business, even Office Depot, Office Max. They have > > them but not the sample that was provided to me. Can anyone suggest > > others? It is 8 1/2 x 11 with a laser snap on top. 3 part, has > > carbons, all copies white. > > > > Thanks.......been looking on line for an hour. > > > > Linda > > > > Linda Baribeau > > Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc. > > 2041 West Mill Road > > Glendale, WI 53209 > > Ph. 414-332-2080 Fax 414-964-3299 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From braddpotter at juno.com Fri Jun 15 10:53:47 2007 From: braddpotter at juno.com (Brad D Potter) Date: Fri Jun 15 10:55:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Someone has been suggesting DFS... Message-ID: <20070615.075347.2420.0.braddpotter@juno.com> Ahem. DFS is connected at the hip to NEBS. As soon as you send a job to DFS, they will appear on the NEBS mailing list. And their product offerings are remarkable similar. I know this (as do others) to be a fact. Brad Printing Services www.myprintsource.net 3480 SE Bethel Road Port Orchard, Washington 98366 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax From ray at capitol-copy.com Fri Jun 15 10:58:26 2007 From: ray at capitol-copy.com (Ray Sziber) Date: Fri Jun 15 10:58:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Straight Bill of Lading Form In-Reply-To: <20070615144114.AF7848DE607@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <000801c7af5d$a1b1ec80$9e00000a@CapitolCopy.local> Try Bradley Graphic Solutions, Bensalem, PA www.bradleygraphics.net - Linda Baribeau wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I am looking for a supplier of a standard???? Straight Bill of Lading form. I have tried every business form company I can think of. Ennis, Deluxe, Western Business, even Office Depot, Office Max. They have them but not the sample that was provided to me. Can anyone suggest others? It is 8 1/2 x 11 with a laser snap on top. 3 part, has carbons, all copies white. Ray Sziber Capitol Copy Service 116 West State Street Trenton NJ 08608 Ph 609-989-8776 Fx609-989-9570 www.Capitol-Copy.com Now Offering Large Format Printing! From printmail at goinsty.com Fri Jun 15 10:59:33 2007 From: printmail at goinsty.com (Rob Meier) Date: Fri Jun 15 10:59:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... In-Reply-To: <000d01c7af51$9ca4b440$042967d3@kp4> References: <000801c7aed2$06e49f80$042967d3@kp4> <467281EC.4030201@charter.net> <000d01c7af51$9ca4b440$042967d3@kp4> Message-ID: <4672A955.6010404@goinsty.com> Here is the scenario. Customer calls. Asks us to send them their logo via email. we do it and also send an invoice for $11. Invoice returns without payment but with a /nice/ note saying "This is a great way to lose a customer". This happens more than I like. Why is this service presumed to be free? What do others do? Thanks, Rob Meier -- _____________________________ Insty-Prints 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-1959 phone (800) 258-8122 toll free (715) 835-7078 fax goinsty@goinsty.com _____________________________ Star Marking - Rubber Stamps 2425 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-4001 phone (800) 634-4002 toll free (715) 835-7078 fax stamps@starmarking.com From hal at pickimp.com Fri Jun 15 11:13:07 2007 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Fri Jun 15 11:11:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... References: <000801c7aed2$06e49f80$042967d3@kp4> <467281EC.4030201@charter.net><000d01c7af51$9ca4b440$042967d3@kp4> <4672A955.6010404@goinsty.com> Message-ID: <002201c7af5f$af8f3360$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> If they're a "customer" and presumably we have billed them for digitizing their logo we just send the logo to them with thanks for being a valued customer. If they were a walk-in business card customer and want their "logo" which is generally nothing more than standard business card clip-art we offer them the opportunity to purchase it for $22.00. They seldom want it after that. Hal Wendt IMP Printing & Graphics Design Southgate, Michigan USA 734.285.5420 From championprinting at yahoo.com Fri Jun 15 11:17:25 2007 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Fri Jun 15 11:17:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... Message-ID: <156330.39008.qm@web38913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tell them up front and offer to put their art on a CD for $25. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Rob Meier To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 10:59:33 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Here is the scenario. Customer calls. Asks us to send them their logo via email. we do it and also send an invoice for $11. Invoice returns without payment but with a /nice/ note saying "This is a great way to lose a customer". This happens more than I like. Why is this service presumed to be free? What do others do? Thanks, Rob Meier -- _____________________________ Insty-Prints 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-1959 phone (800) 258-8122 toll free (715) 835-7078 fax goinsty@goinsty.com From bob.weatherallprinting at gmail.com Fri Jun 15 11:20:51 2007 From: bob.weatherallprinting at gmail.com (Bob Lehman) Date: Fri Jun 15 11:24:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Straight Bill of Lading References: <000801c7aed2$06e49f80$042967d3@kp4> Message-ID: <005801c7af60$cdcdb440$0b00000a@wp.com> Won't your trucking company supply them for you? Bob Lehman Weatherall Printing Co., Inc. P.O. Box 677 Tupelo, MS 38802 Ph 662-842-5284 Fax 662-844-4533 bob@weatherallprinting.com www.weatherallprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Baribeau" To: Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Straight Bill of Lading ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I am looking for a supplier of a standard???? Straight Bill of Lading form. I have tried every business form company I can think of. Ennis, Deluxe, Western Business, even Office Depot, Office Max. They have them but not the sample that was provided to me. Can anyone suggest others? It is 8 1/2 x 11 with a laser snap on top. 3 part, has carbons, all copies white. Thanks.......been looking on line for an hour. Linda Linda Baribeau Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc. 2041 West Mill Road Glendale, WI 53209 Ph. 414-332-2080 Fax 414-964-3299 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri Jun 15 11:27:18 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri Jun 15 11:28:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... In-Reply-To: <4672A955.6010404@goinsty.com> References: <000801c7aed2$06e49f80$042967d3@kp4> <467281EC.4030201@charter.net> <000d01c7af51$9ca4b440$042967d3@kp4> <4672A955.6010404@goinsty.com> Message-ID: <200706151527.l5FFRrXL006512@i2bnetworks.com> Because in the world of client service, being more valuable then the next printer...measuring the lifetime value of a client.....it should be free. I disagree with just about everyone on this list about this. In my book you deserve to lose a client for charging anything for sending a copy of their logo. Printers should get they're collective head out of the production mentality and start paying attention to what makes a resource truly a pleasure to work with. How would you like it next time you're flying in a plane, you ask for a glass of water and the stewardess returns with you water and then politely smiles at you and says: "That will be $2.00" S. At 07:59 AM 6/15/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Here is the scenario. Customer calls. Asks us to send them their >logo via email. we do it and also send an invoice for $11. Invoice >returns without payment but with a /nice/ note saying "This is a >great way to lose a customer". > >This happens more than I like. Why is this service presumed to be >free? What do others do? > >Thanks, >Rob Meier > >-- >_____________________________ > >Insty-Prints >2429 E. Clairemont Ave. >Eau Claire, WI 54701 > >(715) 835-1959 phone >(800) 258-8122 toll free >(715) 835-7078 fax > >goinsty@goinsty.com > >_____________________________ > >Star Marking - Rubber Stamps >2425 E. Clairemont Ave. >Eau Claire, WI 54701 > >(715) 835-4001 phone >(800) 634-4002 toll free >(715) 835-7078 fax > >stamps@starmarking.com > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2332 (20070615) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From lbaribeau at paragon-print.com Fri Jun 15 11:33:12 2007 From: lbaribeau at paragon-print.com (Linda Baribeau) Date: Fri Jun 15 11:30:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Straight Bill of Lading References: <000801c7aed2$06e49f80$042967d3@kp4> <005801c7af60$cdcdb440$0b00000a@wp.com> Message-ID: <002401c7af62$7d522620$042967d3@kp4> Bob, This is actually for a potential customer. What we don't do to please. Thanks..........................Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Lehman" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Straight Bill of Lading > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Won't your trucking company supply them for you? > > Bob Lehman > Weatherall Printing Co., Inc. > P.O. Box 677 > Tupelo, MS 38802 > > Ph 662-842-5284 > Fax 662-844-4533 > bob@weatherallprinting.com > www.weatherallprinting.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Baribeau" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 5:19 PM > Subject: [PrintOwners] Straight Bill of Lading > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am looking for a supplier of a standard???? Straight Bill of Lading form. > I have tried every business form company I can think of. Ennis, Deluxe, > Western Business, even Office Depot, Office Max. They have them but not the > sample that was provided to me. Can anyone suggest others? It is 8 1/2 x 11 > with a laser snap on top. 3 part, has carbons, all copies white. > > Thanks.......been looking on line for an hour. > > Linda > > Linda Baribeau > Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc. > 2041 West Mill Road > Glendale, WI 53209 > Ph. 414-332-2080 Fax 414-964-3299 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From bgallagher at nbn.net Fri Jun 15 11:30:53 2007 From: bgallagher at nbn.net (Bob Gallagher) Date: Fri Jun 15 11:30:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... In-Reply-To: <200706151527.l5FFRrXL006512@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: On 6/15/07 11:27 AM, "Scott Cappel" wrote: > Because in the world of client service, being more valuable then the > next printer...measuring the lifetime value of a client.....it should be free. > Amen! Bob Gallagher Gallagher Printing, Inc. 601 W. Main Street Palmyra, PA 17078 717-838-1527 1-888-838-1527 Fax 717-838-5715 An Adobe Service Provider A Microsoft Publisher Provider Member, Adobe Solutions Network From kevin at proprinters.ca Fri Jun 15 11:36:27 2007 From: kevin at proprinters.ca (Kevin Kerr at PRO Printers) Date: Fri Jun 15 11:36:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... References: <000801c7aed2$06e49f80$042967d3@kp4> <467281EC.4030201@charter.net><000d01c7af51$9ca4b440$042967d3@kp4> <4672A955.6010404@goinsty.com> Message-ID: <006901c7af62$f0a01fb0$0200a8c0@promerivale1> I replied to a similar thread a few weeks ago and I cut and paste my reply below. This has also been a problem for us. We didn't mind so much at first, but we found the requests to be more and more frequent, and we often found it was the same clients requesting the service time and again. (Sometimes the client themselves had originally provided the logo to us - that was really annoying!) We decided on a middle ground, not charging each and every time but neither providing the service for free. When a client first requests their logo, we do the following: Convert their logo into multiple formats (eps, cdr, ai, pdf, tif, jpg, wmf) and zip into a nice neat archive. This usually takes about five minutes time. Send it to them explaining that they should keep the file on multiple computers in multiple locations for safekeeping and forwarding. We also tell them that we do not forward logos to third parties rather we make them responsible for forwarding the logo to whomever they want to have it and noting that if we need to send their logo again, that there will be a charge of $25.00 for the service. (Short of a disaster, of course - if someone's computer died, or was stolen or destroyed in a fire, we wouldn't compound their misery by charging them.) We haven't had anyone complain about this policy and no one has asked for their logo a second time. I think it is a good idea just from a legal standpoint not to forward logos to a third party especially when it is the third party requesting the logo. Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Meier" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 10:59 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Here is the scenario. Customer calls. Asks us to send them their logo via > email. we do it and also send an invoice for $11. Invoice returns without > payment but with a /nice/ note saying "This is a great way to lose a > customer". > > This happens more than I like. Why is this service presumed to be free? > What do others do? > > Thanks, > Rob Meier > > -- > _____________________________ > > Insty-Prints > 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. > Eau Claire, WI 54701 > > (715) 835-1959 phone > (800) 258-8122 toll free > (715) 835-7078 fax > > goinsty@goinsty.com > > _____________________________ > > Star Marking - Rubber Stamps > 2425 E. Clairemont Ave. > Eau Claire, WI 54701 > > (715) 835-4001 phone > (800) 634-4002 toll free > (715) 835-7078 fax > > stamps@starmarking.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From QKCONSULT at aol.com Fri Jun 15 11:38:23 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 15 11:40:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] The 2007-2008 Wage & Benefits Study Message-ID: This is being cross-posted to both lists. I normally do not like cross posting, but since this is strictly a news announcement for a key industry study I hope you will forgive me for this infraction. I will note for the record that I no longer have any financial stake or incentive in the sale of these studies. I get paid to produce them, not to sell them. Anyway, today we are sending out via 1st Class mail approximately 290 copies of the final 2007-08 Wage and Benefits Study to all participants. That may seem like a small number, but in fact our margin of error on this study was one of the best (read lowest) that we have ever achieved, coming in at 3.1% which is pretty darn good. The study is packed with accurate, useful salary and benefits data for 17 key positions in our industry. If you employ an outside sales representative, you will be committing a crime against your company (ok, slight exaggeration here) if you don?t buy the study just for the information it contains on the performance and compensation levels of outside sales reps in our industry. You will be amazed at how well some firms do and how poorly others do in getting minimum levels of sales from their reps. Anyway, if you want to order the study you should be able to order online at: _http://www.napl.org/store_ (http://www.napl.org/store) or by calling them at 1-800-642-6275, option #4. You can also probably contact NAQP as well for a fax order form. They can be reached at 1-800-234-0040. I would give the folks involved a couple two or three days since the initial copies for sale were just shipped to NAPL in New Jersey just yesterday. Once again, sorry if double posting this bothers some, but I have had enough inquiries privately as to the status of the new Wage Study that I thought this was warranted. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From carisa at holmesprinting.com Fri Jun 15 11:50:45 2007 From: carisa at holmesprinting.com (Carisa Holmes-Peters) Date: Fri Jun 15 11:50:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... In-Reply-To: <20070615153102.459AE8DEB65@rb.enter.net> References: <20070615153102.459AE8DEB65@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <755DDF88-F866-4081-8B25-2B8EB6304F21@holmesprinting.com> We were also dealing with this issue awhile back. I asked John Giles opinion some time ago. These are not his exact words but he essentially suggested not charging your top customers for this but charging all the others a minimum for this service. We have done that ever since and it has worked out fine. Carisa Holmes-Peters Administrative Office Manager HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com http://www.holmesprinting.com/ ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! POSTERS, BANNERS, INDOOR/OUTDOOR AND MORE - CALL TODAY! ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** On Jun 15, 2007, at 11:31 AM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:59:33 -0500 > From: Rob Meier > Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Message-ID: <4672A955.6010404@goinsty.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Here is the scenario. Customer calls. Asks us to send them their logo > via email. we do it and also send an invoice for $11. Invoice returns > without payment but with a /nice/ note saying "This is a great way to > lose a customer". > > This happens more than I like. Why is this service presumed to be > free? > What do others do? > > Thanks, > Rob Meier > > -- > _____________________________ > > Insty-Prints > 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. > Eau Claire, WI 54701 > > (715) 835-1959 phone > (800) 258-8122 toll free > (715) 835-7078 fax > > goinsty@goinsty.com From jedwards at printzilla.net Fri Jun 15 11:51:50 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Fri Jun 15 11:54:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... In-Reply-To: <200706151527.l5FFRrXL006512@i2bnetworks.com> References: <000801c7aed2$06e49f80$042967d3@kp4> <467281EC.4030201@charter.net> <000d01c7af51$9ca4b440$042967d3@kp4> <4672A955.6010404@goinsty.com> <200706151527.l5FFRrXL006512@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <66A0F41C-450D-4059-8CCF-62D9D73C9D1D@printzilla.net> On Jun 15, 2007, at 10:27 AM, Scott Cappel wrote: > > > In my book you deserve to lose a client for charging anything for > sending a copy of their logo. > You're right. Especially so when then next correspondence starts out with something like "I can't open it." That's a customer you deserve to lose unless you're just really into it and like going round and round for free. And why is it that all these other vendors require logos in very specific formats created for very specific applications and often prehistoric versions at that. The customer rarely brings it to us ready to go but when it leaves it's supposed to do everything imaginable from now to eternity. And for free? Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas From bherion at bucksdigital.com Fri Jun 15 11:55:19 2007 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Fri Jun 15 11:56:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Charging customers for... Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070615114251.028bfcb8@bucksdigital.com> When we had negs, if they wanted them - have them. If you want your files - have them. If you need a referral - here it is. If you need help with anything I know how to help with - you got it. Myself and my employees will always give of ourselves and our time without charge - to a degree. That degree is about 20 minutes for anyone. For others its never measured. Our business has experienced consistent growth year over year. I believe much of that has to do with how we treat our customers. That's the gist of it. Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From sos at olympus.net Fri Jun 15 12:06:36 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri Jun 15 12:06:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... References: <000801c7aed2$06e49f80$042967d3@kp4> <467281EC.4030201@charter.net><000d01c7af51$9ca4b440$042967d3@kp4> <4672A955.6010404@goinsty.com> Message-ID: <00e701c7af67$26d60140$0300a8c0@DANIEL> > Here is the scenario. Customer calls. Asks us to send them their logo > via email. we do it and also send an invoice for $11. Invoice returns > without payment but with a /nice/ note saying "This is a great way to lose > a customer". > > This happens more than I like. Why is this service presumed to be free? > What do others do? =================== We only charge $5 but get the same reaction. All you can do is explain to people that it may seem like a quick, easy, simple thing to do, but it is not. The proper file must be dearchived from many thousands and thousands of files, it must be emailed, usually to the wrong address which bounces, then you have to call and get the right address and email it again, and then you get a message back "I can't open the file" and you have to have a fairly detailed conversation about what kind of file they actually want, and what are they going to do with it and then you have to convert the file to a GIF or a JPG and then email it again, and then find out that it's "way too big," and have to email another version. ETC. In general, people don't have any respect for printing. They think it's the same thing they do themselves at home or office, you just click the button. Only it's even easier for us because we have bigger better magic equipment. . . sigh. And of course, we compound the problem by working hard to be easy to deal with. To make it seem easy. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From tufelkinder at gmail.com Fri Jun 15 12:13:26 2007 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Fri Jun 15 12:13:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... In-Reply-To: <66A0F41C-450D-4059-8CCF-62D9D73C9D1D@printzilla.net> References: <000801c7aed2$06e49f80$042967d3@kp4> <467281EC.4030201@charter.net> <000d01c7af51$9ca4b440$042967d3@kp4> <4672A955.6010404@goinsty.com> <200706151527.l5FFRrXL006512@i2bnetworks.com> <66A0F41C-450D-4059-8CCF-62D9D73C9D1D@printzilla.net> Message-ID: <84f70d5e0706150913h26b0cc5s1755d1a8ea18f174@mail.gmail.com> On 6/15/07, Jack Edwards wrote: > You're right. Especially so when then next correspondence starts out > with something like "I can't open it." That's a customer you deserve > to lose unless you're just really into it and like going round and > round for free. And why is it that all these other vendors require > logos in very specific formats created for very specific applications > and often prehistoric versions at that. The customer rarely brings it > to us ready to go but when it leaves it's supposed to do everything > imaginable from now to eternity. And for free? Hrrm... Sure, situations like this annoy me to some extent, but when it's a decent customer I'm really not going to agonize about billing them for that extra three minutes of prepress time. Isn't goodwill with your customers, and a confidence that you'll be easy to work with and helpful in the future, worth something to you folks? Emailing a file costs nothing and in most cases takes well under five minutes. Plus, emailing a logo to another supplier for a client, especially if it's a local supplier, is a good way to build a reputation as a printer who's helpful and responsive. We've received numerous referrals from sign companies to whom we send client logos. If someone asks for something extreme, a logo conversion or a really weird format we tell them that that will take us X amount of time and will cost $ or that it's something we can't/don't do. Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA http://mercersburg.net 800-955-3902 tufelkinder@gmail.com -~ Only the mediocre are always at their best. -- Jean Giraudoux From sos at olympus.net Fri Jun 15 12:24:30 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri Jun 15 12:24:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... References: <000801c7aed2$06e49f80$042967d3@kp4> <467281EC.4030201@charter.net><000d01c7af51$9ca4b440$042967d3@kp4> <4672A955.6010404@goinsty.com> <200706151527.l5FFRrXL006512@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <00f801c7af69$a70e2f20$0300a8c0@DANIEL> > How would you like it next time you're flying in a plane, you ask for > a glass of water and the stewardess returns with you water and then > politely smiles at you and says: > > "That will be $2.00" ==================== Well let's see, considering the airline is probably in bankruptcy and needs every dollar they can get to keep their old planes maintained, I'd probably pay the two bucks and hope everybody else does too. This is the era of fees. Our own State Parks charge a $5.00 parking fee. Want to go hiking in a National Park, $25.00 We pay trillions of dollars in taxes, but they still charge us use fees. Want an architect to change a square window to a rectangular one, that'll be five hours at $90.00 per. Just to draw a picture of it. Just did that. Want to give your attorney a call, that'll be .2 hours @ $120.00 per. Why are printers such smucks? That being said, I often email logos and files for free. Our policy is $5.00 but we too try to be as easy to deal with as possible, to add value to our relationship when ever possible. But I more often then not feel taken advantage of. But these are not big corporate customers, these are usually idiots that we deal with. So take anything I say with a grain of salt. By "idiots" I mean individual people who are volunteering for a non-profit organization, or self employed people with a tiny one or two person business trying desperately to earn some kind of living. Or the guy who was in yesterday, whose mother died and he had to pay for the services and so now he's broke and he's having a personal fund raiser, with a band and dancing and he wants me to donate the poster. In full color. On card stock. And the design work. With a flamingo theme. Right. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From rstor at copycats.com Fri Jun 15 12:23:29 2007 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Fri Jun 15 12:25:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... In-Reply-To: <006901c7af62$f0a01fb0$0200a8c0@promerivale1> References: <000801c7aed2$06e49f80$042967d3@kp4> <467281EC.4030201@charter.net><000d01c7af51$9ca4b440$042967d3@kp4> <4672A955.6010404@goinsty.com> <006901c7af62$f0a01fb0$0200a8c0@promerivale1> Message-ID: <4672BD01.9070006@copycats.com> You guys are missing a sales opportunity. Pre-empt the issue and position yourselves for additional business. When you design a logo, ask if the client wants a package to of versions that will allow them to repurpose it for web use, etc. Small additional charge (because if you give it away you are saying there is no value to your work.) And, if they do decide to take their printed docs to the web at some point, let them know that you can help them with it. We do this sometimes, though not as consistently as I would like to. It helps to set your client in the mindset that you can handle range of graphic needs. When asked for the logos after the fact, we cheerfully provide them at no charge. To do otherwise, as others have pointed out, will make you seem like a nickle-and-dimer and not appreciative of their business. Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Kevin Kerr at PRO Printers wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I replied to a similar thread a few weeks ago and I cut and paste my > reply below. > > This has also been a problem for us. We didn't mind so much at first, > but we > found the requests to be more and more frequent, and we often found it > was > the same clients requesting the service time and again. (Sometimes the > client themselves had originally provided the logo to us - that was > really > annoying!) We decided on a middle ground, not charging each and every > time > but neither providing the service for free. When a client first requests > their logo, we do the following: > > Convert their logo into multiple formats (eps, cdr, ai, pdf, tif, jpg, > wmf) > and zip into a nice neat archive. This usually takes about five minutes > time. Send it to them explaining that they should keep the file on > multiple > computers in multiple locations for safekeeping and forwarding. We > also tell > them that we do not forward logos to third parties rather we make them > responsible for forwarding the logo to whomever they want to have it and > noting that if we need to send their logo again, that there will be a > charge > of $25.00 for the service. (Short of a disaster, of course - if someone's > computer died, or was stolen or destroyed in a fire, we wouldn't compound > their misery by charging them.) > > We haven't had anyone complain about this policy and no one has asked for > their logo a second time. I think it is a good idea just from a legal > standpoint not to forward logos to a third party especially when it is > the > third party requesting the logo. > > Kevin Kerr > Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. > 1900 Merivale Rd. > Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 > Tel 613-727-9444 > Fax 613-727-1945 > kevin@proprinters.ca > www.proprinters.ca > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Meier" > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 10:59 AM > Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Here is the scenario. Customer calls. Asks us to send them their logo >> via email. we do it and also send an invoice for $11. Invoice returns >> without payment but with a /nice/ note saying "This is a great way to >> lose a customer". >> >> This happens more than I like. Why is this service presumed to be >> free? What do others do? >> >> Thanks, >> Rob Meier >> >> -- >> _____________________________ >> >> Insty-Prints >> 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. >> Eau Claire, WI 54701 >> >> (715) 835-1959 phone >> (800) 258-8122 toll free >> (715) 835-7078 fax >> >> goinsty@goinsty.com >> >> _____________________________ >> >> Star Marking - Rubber Stamps >> 2425 E. Clairemont Ave. >> Eau Claire, WI 54701 >> >> (715) 835-4001 phone >> (800) 634-4002 toll free >> (715) 835-7078 fax >> >> stamps@starmarking.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From QKCONSULT at aol.com Fri Jun 15 12:27:04 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 15 12:29:36 2007 Subject: Maid Fees in Nassau Re: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... Message-ID: In a message dated 6/15/2007 11:29:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, smc@sorrentomesa.com writes: How would you like it next time you're flying in a plane, you ask for a glass of water and the stewardess returns with you water and then politely smiles at you and says: "That will be $2.00" Just spent last weekend in Nassau. In addition to being charged 6% gov. tax and 6% resort levy, they added on an $8 per day maid fee and $22 per day for a "resort fee." I was in a rush to check out on Sunday and did not notice these extra fees but you can be sure I sent them a fax on Monday and a follow up fax today demanding they take off the $30 per day or I would contest the entire bill with AMEX. I questioned them why they did not charge me a lobby fee and a doorman fee as well since I certainly used both of those more extensively than I did the resort itself since it rained 8" inches while I was visiting their resort. Now mind you, I was not blaming them for the weather, but to charge someone $22 a day to use the resort in which their hotel room is situated just takes balls! You can bet I will be using this example of poor customer service in my next column. By the way, as for the maid service, the room was never made up because on Saturday they showed up so late to clean the room that we were taking naps and thus just exchanged towels. As for the $8 maid fee they where charging, it was apparently for getting the room ready for us to occupy on Friday when we checked in..... Can you imagine they are charging an $8 fee to give you a clean room! Maybe they should just make that optional to guests and ask whether they would like a clean room or will they take a dirty room and let the guests clean it themselves. Just unbelievable! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From cpress at northnet.org Fri Jun 15 12:36:58 2007 From: cpress at northnet.org (Tracy Charleson) Date: Fri Jun 15 12:37:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: DFS/NEBS In-Reply-To: <20070615153102.10EB08DEB64@rb.enter.net> References: <20070615153102.10EB08DEB64@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <6c2e1585b5703893e37c85e9900ea648@northnet.org> > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:53:47 -0700 > From: Brad D Potter > Subject: [PrintOwners] Someone has been suggesting DFS... > To: printowners@printweb.org > Message-ID: <20070615.075347.2420.0.braddpotter@juno.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Ahem. > > DFS is connected at the hip to NEBS. > > As soon as you send a job to DFS, they will appear on the NEBS mailing > list. > > And their product offerings are remarkable similar. > > I know this (as do others) to be a fact. > > Brad Brad, I know that DFS is a part of NEBS which is the exact reason that I started selling them. I am now able to walk in and duplicate - form, price etc... what a company is already using, but now the commission comes to me, plus any other printing that they need. I don't normally present a DFS catalog to customers but when they offer me a form that comes from NEBS I don't have to talk them into changing to a different form to get their business. I find that the customers I have obtained this way call me for other products that they find in the NEBS book because they would rather do business with me than a catalog. Tracy L. Charleson Commercial Press, Inc. 216 Cowan Road Canton, New York 13617 Phone: 315-386-3431 Fax: 315-386-5259 email: cpress@northnet.org www.commercialpressink.com On Jun 15, 2007, at 11:31 AM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > --- > > > > > > > > > From mail at myprinter.biz Fri Jun 15 12:38:18 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Fri Jun 15 12:38:19 2007 Subject: Maid Fees in Nassau Re: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: John - My God, man, calm down! You haven't even gotten the "rain fee" charge yet, and at 8" of rain, that's gonna be... -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 12:27 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Maid Fees in Nassau Re: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 6/15/2007 11:29:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, smc@sorrentomesa.com writes: How would you like it next time you're flying in a plane, you ask for a glass of water and the stewardess returns with you water and then politely smiles at you and says: "That will be $2.00" Just spent last weekend in Nassau. In addition to being charged 6% gov. tax and 6% resort levy, they added on an $8 per day maid fee and $22 per day for a "resort fee." I was in a rush to check out on Sunday and did not notice these extra fees but you can be sure I sent them a fax on Monday and a follow up fax today demanding they take off the $30 per day or I would contest the entire bill with AMEX. I questioned them why they did not charge me a lobby fee and a doorman fee as well since I certainly used both of those more extensively than I did the resort itself since it rained 8" inches while I was visiting their resort. Now mind you, I was not blaming them for the weather, but to charge someone $22 a day to use the resort in which their hotel room is situated just takes balls! You can bet I will be using this example of poor customer service in my next column. By the way, as for the maid service, the room was never made up because on Saturday they showed up so late to clean the room that we were taking naps and thus just exchanged towels. As for the $8 maid fee they where charging, it was apparently for getting the room ready for us to occupy on Friday when we checked in..... Can you imagine they are charging an $8 fee to give you a clean room! Maybe they should just make that optional to guests and ask whether they would like a clean room or will they take a dirty room and let the guests clean it themselves. Just unbelievable! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mail at myprinter.biz Fri Jun 15 12:41:40 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Fri Jun 15 12:41:55 2007 Subject: FW: Maid Fees in Nassau Re: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... Message-ID: Oops. I hit the send bottom before signing off. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: mail@myprinter.biz [mailto:mail@myprinter.biz] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 12:38 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: Maid Fees in Nassau Re: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... John - My God, man, calm down! You haven't even gotten the "rain fee" charge yet, and at 8" of rain, that's gonna be... -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 12:27 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Maid Fees in Nassau Re: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 6/15/2007 11:29:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, smc@sorrentomesa.com writes: How would you like it next time you're flying in a plane, you ask for a glass of water and the stewardess returns with you water and then politely smiles at you and says: "That will be $2.00" Just spent last weekend in Nassau. In addition to being charged 6% gov. tax and 6% resort levy, they added on an $8 per day maid fee and $22 per day for a "resort fee." I was in a rush to check out on Sunday and did not notice these extra fees but you can be sure I sent them a fax on Monday and a follow up fax today demanding they take off the $30 per day or I would contest the entire bill with AMEX. I questioned them why they did not charge me a lobby fee and a doorman fee as well since I certainly used both of those more extensively than I did the resort itself since it rained 8" inches while I was visiting their resort. Now mind you, I was not blaming them for the weather, but to charge someone $22 a day to use the resort in which their hotel room is situated just takes balls! You can bet I will be using this example of poor customer service in my next column. By the way, as for the maid service, the room was never made up because on Saturday they showed up so late to clean the room that we were taking naps and thus just exchanged towels. As for the $8 maid fee they where charging, it was apparently for getting the room ready for us to occupy on Friday when we checked in..... Can you imagine they are charging an $8 fee to give you a clean room! Maybe they should just make that optional to guests and ask whether they would like a clean room or will they take a dirty room and let the guests clean it themselves. Just unbelievable! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dvmonto at optonline.net Fri Jun 15 13:04:35 2007 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Fri Jun 15 13:04:55 2007 Subject: Maid Fees in Nassau Re: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I was in the British Virgin Islands last month. The place we stayed at one night charged for use of the air conditioner! $15 for overnight and $25 for the days use. After being in 90+ degree heat with 90+ humidity waiting 1.5 hours for the luggage carousel to be fixed in St. Thomas it was a fee we were happy to pay but it still felt weird......... -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net www.sirspeedy.com/wappingersfalls ?Government?s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it.? If it keeps moving, regulate it.? And if it stops moving, subsidize it.? Ronald Reagan From mail at myprinter.biz Fri Jun 15 13:07:19 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Fri Jun 15 13:07:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... In-Reply-To: <4672BD01.9070006@copycats.com> Message-ID: Bob - Good post - probably the best on this topic - and there have been several. While we email logos and other things for clients pretty frequently, the last time we burned a logo to a CD for somebody was several months ago. Very small customer. We probed for "what for?" to try to get more business, but got a "I just want it" reply. The disk is still here, along with our invoice for $10.00, which we'll probably never collect, because he's probably forgotten about the request...and it's exactly this type of situation and customer that makes a universal answer to the original question somewhat more nuanced for us that it seems to be for others. I'm betting that all of us do "stuff" that we consider to be "free," but, in truth, none of it is. It's strictly a question of who pays for what we do and how they pay for it. I'm guessing that few of us are dumb enuf to bill a sizable client directly for burning something to a CD or emailing something for them, because we know that we're going to develop good will that will allow us to recover the costs many times over. However, if any of us burn enough CDs or email enough logos for small customers, other of our customers are going to end up paying for it, or we and our employees will reap fewer benefits for the time, effort, and materials involved. Given the above, if any of you can offer a set of rules that will "work" every time if appied inflexibly, I'd like to see it. Otherwise, "situational good judgement" seems to be called for. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Robert Stor Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 12:23 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** You guys are missing a sales opportunity. Pre-empt the issue and position yourselves for additional business. When you design a logo, ask if the client wants a package to of versions that will allow them to repurpose it for web use, etc. Small additional charge (because if you give it away you are saying there is no value to your work.) And, if they do decide to take their printed docs to the web at some point, let them know that you can help them with it. We do this sometimes, though not as consistently as I would like to. It helps to set your client in the mindset that you can handle range of graphic needs. When asked for the logos after the fact, we cheerfully provide them at no charge. To do otherwise, as others have pointed out, will make you seem like a nickle-and-dimer and not appreciative of their business. Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Kevin Kerr at PRO Printers wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I replied to a similar thread a few weeks ago and I cut and paste my > reply below. > > This has also been a problem for us. We didn't mind so much at first, > but we > found the requests to be more and more frequent, and we often found it > was > the same clients requesting the service time and again. (Sometimes the > client themselves had originally provided the logo to us - that was > really > annoying!) We decided on a middle ground, not charging each and every > time > but neither providing the service for free. When a client first requests > their logo, we do the following: > > Convert their logo into multiple formats (eps, cdr, ai, pdf, tif, jpg, > wmf) > and zip into a nice neat archive. This usually takes about five minutes > time. Send it to them explaining that they should keep the file on > multiple > computers in multiple locations for safekeeping and forwarding. We > also tell > them that we do not forward logos to third parties rather we make them > responsible for forwarding the logo to whomever they want to have it and > noting that if we need to send their logo again, that there will be a > charge > of $25.00 for the service. (Short of a disaster, of course - if someone's > computer died, or was stolen or destroyed in a fire, we wouldn't compound > their misery by charging them.) > > We haven't had anyone complain about this policy and no one has asked for > their logo a second time. I think it is a good idea just from a legal > standpoint not to forward logos to a third party especially when it is > the > third party requesting the logo. > > Kevin Kerr > Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. > 1900 Merivale Rd. > Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 > Tel 613-727-9444 > Fax 613-727-1945 > kevin@proprinters.ca > www.proprinters.ca > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Meier" > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 10:59 AM > Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Here is the scenario. Customer calls. Asks us to send them their logo >> via email. we do it and also send an invoice for $11. Invoice returns >> without payment but with a /nice/ note saying "This is a great way to >> lose a customer". >> >> This happens more than I like. Why is this service presumed to be >> free? What do others do? >> >> Thanks, >> Rob Meier >> >> -- >> _____________________________ >> >> Insty-Prints >> 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. >> Eau Claire, WI 54701 >> >> (715) 835-1959 phone >> (800) 258-8122 toll free >> (715) 835-7078 fax >> >> goinsty@goinsty.com >> >> _____________________________ >> >> Star Marking - Rubber Stamps >> 2425 E. Clairemont Ave. >> Eau Claire, WI 54701 >> >> (715) 835-4001 phone >> (800) 634-4002 toll free >> (715) 835-7078 fax >> >> stamps@starmarking.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mail at myprinter.biz Fri Jun 15 13:10:11 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Fri Jun 15 13:10:11 2007 Subject: Maid Fees in Nassau Re: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to befree... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: David - Thank goodness you didn't let them know it felt weird: Their "feeling weird" fee is... Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of David Monto Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 1:05 PM To: Printowners Subject: Re: Maid Fees in Nassau Re: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to befree... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I was in the British Virgin Islands last month. The place we stayed at one night charged for use of the air conditioner! $15 for overnight and $25 for the days use. After being in 90+ degree heat with 90+ humidity waiting 1.5 hours for the luggage carousel to be fixed in St. Thomas it was a fee we were happy to pay but it still felt weird......... -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net www.sirspeedy.com/wappingersfalls ?Government?s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it.? If it keeps moving, regulate it.? And if it stops moving, subsidize it.? Ronald Reagan _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From championprinting at yahoo.com Fri Jun 15 13:14:46 2007 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Fri Jun 15 13:14:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... Message-ID: <606177.3946.qm@web38908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Funny thing about our top customers; they rarely ask for this service. But if they do, it's free. I've even had several ask if they could pay. Top customers know that you are in business to make money. I don't have a problem charging "one time shots" or walk ins $25 for this service. If I anticipate it, we build it into the job. Maybe it's the curmudgeon in me, but I dream of the day that we lock our door and receive outside business by appointment only. If that were the case, all customers would receive "free" art files. Been a long time since a worthwhile customer walked in. We don't get much foot traffic because of our industrial park setting. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Carisa Holmes-Peters To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 11:50:45 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We were also dealing with this issue awhile back. I asked John Giles opinion some time ago. These are not his exact words but he essentially suggested not charging your top customers for this but charging all the others a minimum for this service. We have done that ever since and it has worked out fine. Carisa Holmes-Peters Administrative Office Manager HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com http://www.holmesprinting.com/ ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! POSTERS, BANNERS, INDOOR/OUTDOOR AND MORE - CALL TODAY! ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** On Jun 15, 2007, at 11:31 AM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:59:33 -0500 > From: Rob Meier > Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Message-ID: <4672A955.6010404@goinsty.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Here is the scenario. Customer calls. Asks us to send them their logo > via email. we do it and also send an invoice for $11. Invoice returns > without payment but with a /nice/ note saying "This is a great way to > lose a customer". > > This happens more than I like. Why is this service presumed to be > free? > What do others do? > > Thanks, > Rob Meier > > -- > _____________________________ > > Insty-Prints > 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. > Eau Claire, WI 54701 > > (715) 835-1959 phone > (800) 258-8122 toll free > (715) 835-7078 fax > > goinsty@goinsty.com From ed at graphicprintersinc.com Fri Jun 15 13:24:10 2007 From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce) Date: Fri Jun 15 13:24:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... In-Reply-To: <00f801c7af69$a70e2f20$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <005d01c7af71$fca6bee0$5a01a8c0@fileserver> In a perfect world we would all have tons of large corporate accounts to choose from within a few miles of our front door or customers that place a value on their time and having someone solve their problems for them. That would make it easy to give away the small amounts of time involved in sending their files to anyone anytime. Heck, I have even found a baby sitter for one of my customers once but that customer spent over $60,000 with me last year so I would have taken care of little junior myself if I couldn't have found a sitter for her. Printers can find weird ways to prostitute ourselves can't we? Unfortunately, most of us don't live in that world of hanging fruit on every corner. My best customers don't have to worry about a thing because we have their back in every way possible. But the majority of the customer bases we draw from are small mom & pop operations that do not have a clue what is involved in this digital world and since it is just a few mouse clicks should be free. They are usually first or second generation start ups that have managed to survive & become somewhat profitable but they still live in the barely making it mode so they are extremely cheap. "What do you mean by a typesetting/design charge? Don't you use a computer?" We have very few corporate customers in our area and even less that appreciate and know the value of what we do but the ones that do are worth their weight in gold or in gasoline which ever is higher. When we create logos are artwork for clients we always burn a CD with their files in every format imaginable in color & black & white. When we give it to them we say please hold on to this CD because we will charge you the next time we have to send a file for you to someone. We ask that they copy the files and save that as well. Invariably, we get a call to email their logo to someone at a small town newspaper on dialup and uses Photoshop 3 or 4. When we ask the customer what happened to their disk they usually say something like "well, I couldn't figure out how to attach it to an email so I just send the entire disk by mail. Also would you call me when you send the file so I will know when it was sent? They are on a deadline." When do we draw a line in being indispensable? The answer is we don't. We just keep doing the same stuff we have always done and it is all transparent to the customer. They don't have a clue nor do they care. Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 11:25 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > How would you like it next time you're flying in a plane, you ask for > a glass of water and the stewardess returns with you water and then > politely smiles at you and says: > > "That will be $2.00" ==================== Well let's see, considering the airline is probably in bankruptcy and needs every dollar they can get to keep their old planes maintained, I'd probably pay the two bucks and hope everybody else does too. This is the era of fees. Our own State Parks charge a $5.00 parking fee. Want to go hiking in a National Park, $25.00 We pay trillions of dollars in taxes, but they still charge us use fees. Want an architect to change a square window to a rectangular one, that'll be five hours at $90.00 per. Just to draw a picture of it. Just did that. Want to give your attorney a call, that'll be .2 hours @ $120.00 per. Why are printers such smucks? That being said, I often email logos and files for free. Our policy is $5.00 but we too try to be as easy to deal with as possible, to add value to our relationship when ever possible. But I more often then not feel taken advantage of. But these are not big corporate customers, these are usually idiots that we deal with. So take anything I say with a grain of salt. By "idiots" I mean individual people who are volunteering for a non-profit organization, or self employed people with a tiny one or two person business trying desperately to earn some kind of living. Or the guy who was in yesterday, whose mother died and he had to pay for the services and so now he's broke and he's having a personal fund raiser, with a band and dancing and he wants me to donate the poster. In full color. On card stock. And the design work. With a flamingo theme. Right. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2334 (20070615) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From slb at inkspot.net Fri Jun 15 14:18:03 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Fri Jun 15 14:18:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... In-Reply-To: <200706151527.l5FFRrXL006512@i2bnetworks.com> References: <4672A955.6010404@goinsty.com> Message-ID: <46729F9B.23438.E9D9B25@slb.inkspot.net> I have to agree with Scott on this one. We frequently find ourselves in the position of "custodian" of our customers' logos. We see it as a way to add value, and to differentiate ourselves from the copy shops (Kinko's, among others) and the less customer-oriented printers. When a customer asks us to send their logo to a third party (usually for a banner, coffee mugs, a sign, or an advertisement in a school theater program), we even suggest that their vendor call us to discuss the format in which they need it. We're probably leaving some money on the table, but (and I have mixed feelings about this analogy, but it applies if you look at it the right way), you can shear a sheep annually, but you can only skin him once. YMMV, Steve > > Because in the world of client service, being more valuable then the > next printer...measuring the lifetime value of a client.....it should be free. > > I disagree with just about everyone on this list about this. > > In my book you deserve to lose a client for charging anything for > sending a copy of their logo. > > Printers should get they're collective head out of the production > mentality and start paying attention to what makes a resource truly a > pleasure to work with. > > How would you like it next time you're flying in a plane, you ask for > a glass of water and the stewardess returns with you water and then > politely smiles at you and says: > > "That will be $2.00" > > S. > > > > > > At 07:59 AM 6/15/2007, you wrote: > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >Here is the scenario. Customer calls. Asks us to send them their > >logo via email. we do it and also send an invoice for $11. Invoice > >returns without payment but with a /nice/ note saying "This is a > >great way to lose a customer". > > > >This happens more than I like. Why is this service presumed to be > >free? What do others do? > > > >Thanks, > >Rob Meier > > > >-- > >_____________________________ > > > >Insty-Prints > >2429 E. Clairemont Ave. > >Eau Claire, WI 54701 > > > >(715) 835-1959 phone > >(800) 258-8122 toll free > >(715) 835-7078 fax > > > >goinsty@goinsty.com > > > >_____________________________ > > > >Star Marking - Rubber Stamps > >2425 E. Clairemont Ave. > >Eau Claire, WI 54701 > > > >(715) 835-4001 phone > >(800) 634-4002 toll free > >(715) 835-7078 fax > > > >stamps@starmarking.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > >__________ NOD32 2332 (20070615) Information __________ > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >http://www.eset.com > > > > Scott Cappel > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2334 (20070615) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Fri Jun 15 14:26:37 2007 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Fri Jun 15 14:26:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... In-Reply-To: <46729F9B.23438.E9D9B25@slb.inkspot.net> References: <4672A955.6010404@goinsty.com> <46729F9B.23438.E9D9B25@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <4672D9DD.1030001@sugarloafprint.com> 80% of your headaches come from 20% of your customers. I charge that 20% for a copy of their logo with great pleasure. Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From brianoday at eprint.us Fri Jun 15 14:34:09 2007 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Fri Jun 15 14:34:16 2007 Subject: Maid Fees in Nassau Re: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006301c7af7b$c38b6840$6e01a8c0@Brian> John Now I know every time you go to Orlando you are either having your room paid for or you are commuting. This very subject upsets me every time I stay at a resort in Florida. Especially in the winter when I go to conference and never get a chance to use the resort. No how can we learn I think we should start adding at least a delivery charge to all orders. Heck with the price of gas how could anyone get upset, no delivery no charge! Brian O'Day ePrint Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 9:27 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Maid Fees in Nassau Re: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 6/15/2007 11:29:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, smc@sorrentomesa.com writes: How would you like it next time you're flying in a plane, you ask for a glass of water and the stewardess returns with you water and then politely smiles at you and says: "That will be $2.00" Just spent last weekend in Nassau. In addition to being charged 6% gov. tax and 6% resort levy, they added on an $8 per day maid fee and $22 per day for a "resort fee." I was in a rush to check out on Sunday and did not notice these extra fees but you can be sure I sent them a fax on Monday and a follow up fax today demanding they take off the $30 per day or I would contest the entire bill with AMEX. I questioned them why they did not charge me a lobby fee and a doorman fee as well since I certainly used both of those more extensively than I did the resort itself since it rained 8" inches while I was visiting their resort. Now mind you, I was not blaming them for the weather, but to charge someone $22 a day to use the resort in which their hotel room is situated just takes balls! You can bet I will be using this example of poor customer service in my next column. By the way, as for the maid service, the room was never made up because on Saturday they showed up so late to clean the room that we were taking naps and thus just exchanged towels. As for the $8 maid fee they where charging, it was apparently for getting the room ready for us to occupy on Friday when we checked in..... Can you imagine they are charging an $8 fee to give you a clean room! Maybe they should just make that optional to guests and ask whether they would like a clean room or will they take a dirty room and let the guests clean it themselves. Just unbelievable! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From brianoday at eprint.us Fri Jun 15 14:38:07 2007 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Fri Jun 15 14:38:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quick Master Prices Message-ID: <006401c7af7c$515551e0$6e01a8c0@Brian> We are looking at adding an additional Quick master and I was wondering if anyone out there could share the prices they have been quoted recently on new or recent models of this press. Or if you have one for sale don't hesitate to let me know Brian O'Day ePrint Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 From cpurvine1 at cox.net Fri Jun 15 14:42:01 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Fri Jun 15 14:41:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... In-Reply-To: <46729F9B.23438.E9D9B25@slb.inkspot.net> References: <4672A955.6010404@goinsty.com> <46729F9B.23438.E9D9B25@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <001501c7af7c$dd066da0$0200a8c0@corapurvine> What bothers me the most about it is that the other vendor is getting free artwork, that we did, to do their project. Example: I have had customers want me to send a whole ad w/logo, etc. for someone else to make a sign out of, etc. I had a guy come in the other day and ask me to redo their ad for the yellow pages because he didn't like the way they did it. I charged him, but he was hoping I would do it free because I do the rest of his printing. I have a lawn service company that has had me send his logo everywhere, for T-shirts, signs for their trucks, etc. He keeps losing the copy I gave him with all the different formats on it. Bet he could find it if I charged him every time. I do charge if I put it on a CD. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com Fri Jun 15 15:12:53 2007 From: s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com (Sonya Hughes) Date: Fri Jun 15 15:15:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Low Quantity Decals In-Reply-To: <006901c7af62$f0a01fb0$0200a8c0@promerivale1> References: <000801c7aed2$06e49f80$042967d3@kp4> <467281EC.4030201@charter.net><000d01c7af51$9ca4b440$042967d3@kp4> <4672A955.6010404@goinsty.com> <006901c7af62$f0a01fb0$0200a8c0@promerivale1> Message-ID: <9638E52E-6D7B-42D5-A7B8-BABCA4DFDD69@legendsofdodgecity.com> I have a small manufacturer who needs a small amount of decals to put on his equipment. They are of various sizes, and judging from the backing of the samples he brought in - he has been getting them (or his supplier has) from www.oracal.com. If there is anyone on this list that can do these, please call or email me for the details. The quantities he's looking at are 20- to 40. The sizes range from 3" X 8" to 3" X 21-1/2", one appears to be a kind of "safety" strip: It is orange, 2" X 10" - no printing at all. Some are one color, two color or four color (not process). The application is to powder coated polyester paint. They have to be sun-fast. I would appreciate hearing from anyone that can help us on this. Thank you, Sonya Hughes Legends Printing Dodge City 800-794-1695 From bill at mauiprintworks.com Fri Jun 15 15:58:54 2007 From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works) Date: Fri Jun 15 15:59:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 12 X 17 Scanner In-Reply-To: <070388F5-6D2F-4D8E-9A1E-391551FF648A@legendsofdodgecity.com> References: <070388F5-6D2F-4D8E-9A1E-391551FF648A@legendsofdodgecity.com> Message-ID: <46f4e1c78176b352d00837b1e8b0300b@mauiprintworks.com> What type of scanning are you doing. We've been using our Xeroxes (Doc-12, Doc-240, WC-90) to scan for the last 4 years, which seems to be working great. Are there applications where a separate scanner would be better to use? Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku, HI 96793 (808)242-6634 Fax (808)242-8967 bill@mauiprintworks.com www. mauiprintworks.com On Jun 14, 2007, at 10:45 AM, Sonya Hughes wrote: > We are upgrading our scanner, and looking at a couple of 12 X 17 > Scanners. One is the Epson Expression 10000XL, the other is a Microtek > ScanMaker 9800XL. Does anyone have any experience with either of these > ... or a recommendation for one they have and like? I would > appreciate any advice/suggestions. > TIA, > Sonya > Legends Printing > Dodge City, KS From alewinter at datapalette.com Fri Jun 15 16:10:33 2007 From: alewinter at datapalette.com (Andrew LeWinter) Date: Fri Jun 15 16:08:13 2007 Subject: Maid Fees in Nassau Re: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... References: Message-ID: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D50154B2B@mail1.datapalette.local> John, I had a similar experience at the Hotel del Coronado in San Diego. It's not enough to spend $300 a night for the room. Add $22/day for self park or $26/day for valet and another $22/day "resort/concierge fee. Meanwhile, the hotel is on the beach, which in California is public access. You can't imagine the number of people who walked into the facility to purchase food and drink and sit at the bar overlooking the pool. If these people can have it for nothing, what the #&%$?? am I supposed to be getting extra for being a hotel guest? I questioned the whole thing, including the fact that we waited half a day for them to fix a stopped up bathtub. End result was the desk manager took off the resort charge, lowered our room rate by $50.00, gave us a free lunch and apologized for not being authorized to do more. If you don't speak up, how do they know you are not satisfied? My concern with my clients is that they won't speak up, so I will not know they are not happy until it is too late to make things right. Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 12:27 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Maid Fees in Nassau Re: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 6/15/2007 11:29:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, smc@sorrentomesa.com writes: How would you like it next time you're flying in a plane, you ask for a glass of water and the stewardess returns with you water and then politely smiles at you and says: "That will be $2.00" Just spent last weekend in Nassau. In addition to being charged 6% gov. tax and 6% resort levy, they added on an $8 per day maid fee and $22 per day for a "resort fee." I was in a rush to check out on Sunday and did not notice these extra fees but you can be sure I sent them a fax on Monday and a follow up fax today demanding they take off the $30 per day or I would contest the entire bill with AMEX. I questioned them why they did not charge me a lobby fee and a doorman fee as well since I certainly used both of those more extensively than I did the resort itself since it rained 8" inches while I was visiting their resort. Now mind you, I was not blaming them for the weather, but to charge someone $22 a day to use the resort in which their hotel room is situated just takes balls! You can bet I will be using this example of poor customer service in my next column. By the way, as for the maid service, the room was never made up because on Saturday they showed up so late to clean the room that we were taking naps and thus just exchanged towels. As for the $8 maid fee they where charging, it was apparently for getting the room ready for us to occupy on Friday when we checked in..... Can you imagine they are charging an $8 fee to give you a clean room! Maybe they should just make that optional to guests and ask whether they would like a clean room or will they take a dirty room and let the guests clean it themselves. Just unbelievable! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From k_graham at hotmail.com Fri Jun 15 16:21:26 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Fri Jun 15 16:21:35 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... References: <000801c7aed2$06e49f80$042967d3@kp4> <467281EC.4030201@charter.net><000d01c7af51$9ca4b440$042967d3@kp4> <4672A955.6010404@goinsty.com> <200706151527.l5FFRrXL006512@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: > Because in the world of client service, being more valuable then the next > printer...measuring the lifetime value of a client.....it should be free. > > I disagree with just about everyone on this list about this. > > In my book you deserve to lose a client for charging anything for sending > a copy of their logo I disagree, I first find out what they will be using it for. Now its a conversion to their format and yes I quote for that in advance. 2nd - most times this is another agency requesting it, be it signs, or Yellow pages. Yellow pages typically asks for it NOW, in AI format - just drop what your doing and hop to it. Have you ever been able to get artwork from Yellow pages free? A out of town sign shop was bold enough to tell me as Print shops typically don't know how to build files for signs, they suggest I set the logo for signs, Vector, no hairlines etc. AI format. My reply, we provide for what the customer is willing to PAY for, would they like to provide a credit card so I can meet their request. We email a form stating due to the Privacy legislation in place we must have a authorization from the client, at this point we mention the pricing for changing file formats and the now famous "dearchiving" . Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika From swiftyprinting at mac.com Fri Jun 15 16:44:43 2007 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Fri Jun 15 16:45:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... In-Reply-To: References: <000801c7aed2$06e49f80$042967d3@kp4> <467281EC.4030201@charter.net> <000d01c7af51$9ca4b440$042967d3@kp4> <4672A955.6010404@goinsty.com> <200706151527.l5FFRrXL006512@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: On Jun 15, 2007, at 4:21 PM, k_graham@hotmail.com wrote: >> Because in the world of client service, being more valuable then >> the next printer...measuring the lifetime value of a client.....it >> should be free. Service is definitely a great value and what distinguishes you apart. However service is not free. It must be placed in your costs. Somehow it needs to be someplace in your overhead. A difficult thing to figure, but something which needs to thought about. Often Why are we more expensive than most shops? It is not because I just take the costs per job and figure out a mark up. It is because I take into consideration all of the things that it takes to service the client.I add this into part of the costing. When I am told this service should be free, well I sit back and think. What if I was 10 times this size and everyday a client calls looking for their logo (or whatever service it is) emailed for free. Well no matter what size my business is I want to be able to provide a certain amount of services to my clients. Now that means every hour I lose 15 minutes to provide a free service (no matter what it is). So now I can figure into my costs the actual amount of "profitable" hours. A simple and exaggeration of the process, but something which needs to be figured in somehow. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri Jun 15 17:32:06 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri Jun 15 17:32:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... In-Reply-To: References: <000801c7aed2$06e49f80$042967d3@kp4> <467281EC.4030201@charter.net> <000d01c7af51$9ca4b440$042967d3@kp4> <4672A955.6010404@goinsty.com> <200706151527.l5FFRrXL006512@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <200706152132.l5FLWeAm070255@i2bnetworks.com> Within 60 seconds I can locate any logo for any client and within another 60 seconds can transform it into a transparent gif, a .png, or anything else a client might require and email it out. An organized file structure on the storage servers and Adobe Bridge, and a fast integrated network allows me to do this. Usually when these requests come through I handle it personally as to not trouble my staff. That way I can interact directly with the client contact, while simultaneously building massive amounts of goodwill. If I had to spend 15 minutes trying to accomplish this then maybe it could be justified as billable. In my world, it's not. S. At 01:44 PM 6/15/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >On Jun 15, 2007, at 4:21 PM, k_graham@hotmail.com wrote: > >>>Because in the world of client service, being more valuable then >>>the next printer...measuring the lifetime value of a client.....it >>>should be free. > >Service is definitely a great value and what distinguishes you apart. >However service is not free. It must be placed in your costs. Somehow >it needs to be someplace in your overhead. A difficult thing to >figure, but something which needs to thought about. Often Why are we >more expensive than most shops? It is not because I just take the >costs per job and figure out a mark up. It is because I take into >consideration all of the things that it takes to service the client.I >add this into part of the costing. > >When I am told this service should be free, well I sit back and >think. What if I was 10 times this size and everyday a client calls >looking for their logo (or whatever service it is) emailed for free. >Well no matter what size my business is I want to be able to provide >a certain amount of services to my clients. Now that means every hour >I lose 15 minutes to provide a free service (no matter what it is). >So now I can figure into my costs the actual amount of "profitable" >hours. > >A simple and exaggeration of the process, but something which needs >to be figured in somehow. > > > > >Chuck Pappas >Arlington Swifty Printing >1386 Massachusetts Avenue >Arlington, MA 02476 >781-646-8700 >www.arlingtonswifty.com >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2334 (20070615) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Fri Jun 15 17:35:01 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Fri Jun 15 17:35:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Low Quantity Decals In-Reply-To: <9638E52E-6D7B-42D5-A7B8-BABCA4DFDD69@legendsofdodgecity.com> References: <000801c7aed2$06e49f80$042967d3@kp4> <467281EC.4030201@charter.net> <000d01c7af51$9ca4b440$042967d3@kp4> <4672A955.6010404@goinsty.com> <006901c7af62$f0a01fb0$0200a8c0@promerivale1> <9638E52E-6D7B-42D5-A7B8-BABCA4DFDD69@legendsofdodgecity.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0706151435u2ed76b9dvcebbc4bc7a15309e@mail.gmail.com> Have you tried Stouse? www.stouse.com -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon On 6/15/07, Sonya Hughes wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a small manufacturer who needs a small amount of decals to put > on his equipment. They are of various sizes, and judging from the > backing of the samples he brought in - he has been getting them (or > his supplier has) from www.oracal.com. If there is anyone on this > list that can do these, please call or email me for the details. The > quantities he's looking at are 20- to 40. The sizes range from 3" X > 8" to 3" X 21-1/2", one appears to be a kind of "safety" strip: It is > orange, 2" X 10" - no printing at all. Some are one color, two color > or four color (not process). The application is to powder coated > polyester paint. They have to be sun-fast. > > I would appreciate hearing from anyone that can help us on this. > > Thank you, > Sonya Hughes > Legends Printing > Dodge City > 800-794-1695 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From QKCONSULT at aol.com Fri Jun 15 17:48:21 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 15 17:49:45 2007 Subject: Maid Fees in Nassau Re: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... Message-ID: In a message dated 6/15/2007 4:09:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, alewinter@datapalette.com writes: If these people can have it for nothing, what the #&%$?? am I supposed to be getting extra for being a hotel guest? I questioned the whole thing, including the fact that we waited half a day for them to fix a stopped up bathtub. End result was the desk manager took off the resort charge, lowered our room rate by $50.00, gave us a free lunch and apologized for not being authorized to do more. If you don't speak up, how do they know you are not satisfied? My concern with my clients is that they won't speak up, so I will not know they are not happy until it is too late to make things right. Andrew, Before I am finished the Wyndham hotel chain will wish they never heard of me.... I will make fun of them in my column, mention their name, deluge them with faxes and make their life miserable..... I didn't really care what they quoted on the original rate nor did I pay too much attention to the two local taxes of 6% and 6% but when they start adding on for maid service and resort services that is where I draw the line. The fact is there was NO resort to enjoy for two days since there was a deluge of rain and the ceiling in the lobby was leaking water.... Oh, I love battles like this! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt & John Stewart _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From rick at jmjprinting.com Fri Jun 15 18:53:41 2007 From: rick at jmjprinting.com (Rick Foster) Date: Fri Jun 15 18:51:26 2007 Subject: Maid Fees in Nassau Re: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... In-Reply-To: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D50154B2B@mail1.datapalette.local> References: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D50154B2B@mail1.datapalette.local> Message-ID: In reference to the message sent by Andrew LeWinter, on 6/15/07, at 4:10 PM -0400: >John, I had a similar experience at the Hotel del Coronado in San Diego. >It's not enough to spend $300 a night for the room. Add $22/day for self >park or $26/day for valet and another $22/day "resort/concierge fee. How many operate their print shop with this kind of pricing strategy. Deception seems to be the number one sales tool these days and I wonder if we are missing something important. I also wonder why it has become acceptable to knowingly give incomplete information then screw the customer once they accept the perceived terms. Hotels are not the only ones that charge a rate then add on extra charges. You call for a price they tell you $300 per night rarely if ever mentioning the sometimes 25% more in taxes and required tips and fees. You budget $300 per night but with all the added charges the price is actually $375 per night, and that doesn't include additional tips they guilt you into paying with the little signs in the room asking you to please leave money for housekeeping, doorman, bellhop, etc. My wife once took 3 kittens in for shots and spay/neuter. She called the vet and asked how much will this cost me. They told her it was $30 per cat. OK, 3 cats for under $100. She goes to pick them up and the bill was almost $200. What happened to the $30 per cat? That price didn't include bandages, medical supplies, or Veterinarian fee. She paid $100 and told them next time someone calls to inquire how much something cost they should give the real price. Even little things like supplies ordered to be shipped. I do expect to pay shipping unless otherwise noted, but when I order something and the price is $25 delivered to my door I don't expect to see $25 plus $2.00 boxing/packaging, $1.00 copy of MSDS sheet, $5.00 fuel charge for deliver, yet it happened. I expected $25 delivered or $25 plus shipping. Seriously, is there anybody on this list that prices in a similar fashion? When a customer calls do you say something like price for 500 forms is $75.00, knowing you will add on charges later for plates, ink, file charges, etc. that you don't include in the price when quoting. Then give them a bill for $100 when they come to pick it up? If so, what is the feed back from customers. Do they just accept it same as if they were checking out of a hotel? -- Rick _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Rick B. Foster JMJ Printing Co. LLC - Snohomish, WA mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com http://www.jmjprinting.com 425.334.9716 Your Full Service Print Shop 425.397.9716 Fax We Appreciate Your Business! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From info at desktopsxm.com Fri Jun 15 20:11:55 2007 From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint) Date: Fri Jun 15 20:12:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] PNG file In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0706151435u2ed76b9dvcebbc4bc7a15309e@mail.gmail.com> References: <000801c7aed2$06e49f80$042967d3@kp4> <467281EC.4030201@charter.net> <000d01c7af51$9ca4b440$042967d3@kp4> <4672A955.6010404@goinsty.com> <006901c7af62$f0a01fb0$0200a8c0@promerivale1> <9638E52E-6D7B-42D5-A7B8-BABCA4DFDD69@legendsofdodgecity.com> <98f5b19a0706151435u2ed76b9dvcebbc4bc7a15309e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44C3EC3A-1139-4463-ADB8-6EB090E62F6B@desktopsxm.com> What is a PNG file? Can it be used on a mac and how can it be opened on a mac? Joel Brint Desktop Imaging St. Maarten From homedespot1 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 15 20:24:46 2007 From: homedespot1 at yahoo.com (Jen Adelman) Date: Fri Jun 15 20:24:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printsmith 8.0 In-Reply-To: <20070614180931.a3d1aa54@James-Diorios-Computer.local> Message-ID: <204571.87256.qm@web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I also run an all Mac shop but I switched to PP anyway. I solved the issue by buying a few used pc laptops for the people who really need direct access and using timbucto (spelling) for the rest. At home I have both PC's and Mac's (I'm a computer geek) and I love being able to log in from home and get all the stuff done. Cheap laptops...worked great. Totally worth it. Jennifer Adelman Roller Printing www.rollerprinting.com jennifer@rollerprinting.com --- James Diorio wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I would love to learn more about printers plan but > they don't support Macs. I run 11 stations, all > apples. So the cost to move to PP and buy 11 new > PC's......not do-able. > > But I am impressed that everyone loves PP so > much....I can only hope that keeps EFI on their toes > for future PS upgrades. > > James Art, like morality, consists of drawing the line somewhere -G.K. Chesterton ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From cpurvine1 at cox.net Fri Jun 15 21:26:35 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Fri Jun 15 21:26:19 2007 Subject: Maid Fees in Nassau Re: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to befree... In-Reply-To: References: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D50154B2B@mail1.datapalette.local> Message-ID: <001001c7afb5$62dcd710$0200a8c0@corapurvine> Print Shops are starting to price like this too. One of my customers decided to get several quotes for their next newsletter and they were really excited about one of them that was a friend of their boss and was supposed to be giving them the newsletter for about half of what they had been paying, but when they got their bill, there were extra charges for all sorts of things, like folding, attaching the labels, taking it to the post office, etc. which made their bill higher that what the customer has been paying. All they quoted was printing the newsletter. The customer was really upset. On top of that it looked awful, which I tactfully pointed out to them Guess I am back in the running again Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From k_graham at hotmail.com Fri Jun 15 22:24:37 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Fri Jun 15 22:24:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... References: <000801c7aed2$06e49f80$042967d3@kp4> <467281EC.4030201@charter.net><000d01c7af51$9ca4b440$042967d3@kp4> <4672A955.6010404@goinsty.com><200706151527.l5FFRrXL006512@i2bnetworks.com> <200706152132.l5FLWeAm070255@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: > > Within 60 seconds I can locate any logo for any client and within another > 60 seconds can transform it into a transparent gif, a .png, or anything > else a client might require and email it out. An organized file structure > on the storage servers and Adobe Bridge, and a fast integrated network > allows me to do this. Usually when these requests come through I handle it > personally as to not trouble my staff. > > That way I can interact directly with the client contact, while > simultaneously building massive amounts of goodwill. > I think thats why customers use us. We do have ours filed alphabetically, by company name and it impresses people that we are so organized and thats what they pay for, dearchiving is more saleable, thanks Michael. With all the identy theft these days I don't want to be the printer known as having given out a design to a fraudulent agency simply on their request, which is why we require permission from the client. This permission slip will then be stapled to the invoice we did for the above mentioned de-archive and providing file format in type required by client and quoted in advance. Aside from the private litigation, in Canada we could be hit with something like a 75,000.00 fine as I recall. http://www.cfib.ca/legis/national/privacy.asp Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika From kurt at qpgraphics.biz Fri Jun 15 22:35:08 2007 From: kurt at qpgraphics.biz (Kurt A. Kroh) Date: Fri Jun 15 22:35:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] PNG file In-Reply-To: <44C3EC3A-1139-4463-ADB8-6EB090E62F6B@desktopsxm.com> Message-ID: <000301c7afbe$f4e47b50$0a01a8c0@KurtWXP> A PNG (Portable Network Graphics) file is just another file type. It has a lossless compression and allows alpha channel. I use a PC but I believe you should be able to open thes with Mac PS. If you can't, I wuold be happy to convert it for you. kurt@qpgraphics.biz Best Regards, Kurt A. Kroh Sales and Marketing Manager Quality Plus Design & Graphics 6935 Aliante Parkway Suite 104-131 North Las Vegas, NV 89084 P (702) 987-4677 F (702) 974-4848 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Joel Brint Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 5:12 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] PNG file ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** What is a PNG file? Can it be used on a mac and how can it be opened on a mac? Joel Brint Desktop Imaging St. Maarten _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Sat Jun 16 12:32:55 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Sat Jun 16 12:33:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] PNG file In-Reply-To: <44C3EC3A-1139-4463-ADB8-6EB090E62F6B@desktopsxm.com> References: <000801c7aed2$06e49f80$042967d3@kp4> <467281EC.4030201@charter.net> <000d01c7af51$9ca4b440$042967d3@kp4> <4672A955.6010404@goinsty.com> <006901c7af62$f0a01fb0$0200a8c0@promerivale1> <9638E52E-6D7B-42D5-A7B8-BABCA4DFDD69@legendsofdodgecity.com> <98f5b19a0706151435u2ed76b9dvcebbc4bc7a15309e@mail.gmail.com> <44C3EC3A-1139-4463-ADB8-6EB090E62F6B@desktopsxm.com> Message-ID: <200706161633.l5GGXVJr095603@i2bnetworks.com> A PNG file is the file format designed for and should be used exclusively with Microsoft Office products. It is a file format that I would consider "downstream" from the original source file and is not suitable for use in commercial printing or high end digital printing since it has lost some of its original data and is now a "picture". It can be saved directly out of Illustrator under the export format which will give you a choice of resolution. A PNG file is something we would create for the client so they could use their logo ins Excel, Word and Powerpoint. A PNG file is not something we would accept FROM the client to be used in their content that we would produce. If a PNG file exists than it came from a higher level source file and that is what you need to get a hold of. Platform is irrelevant for most file formats these days. Platform was relevant for .eps files because the .eps header was platforms specific, but .eps is a dead format and has too many issues these days and should no longer be used. So Mac, Windows..... it makes no difference these days with most file formats. You could "open" a .png file in illustrator, but you would see that it is not editable because it is a picture. And depending on what resolution was chosen when it was exported, it could be a pretty lousy picture. S. At 05:11 PM 6/15/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >What is a PNG file? >Can it be used on a mac and how can it be opened on a mac? > >Joel Brint >Desktop Imaging >St. Maarten >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2335 (20070616) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From sciesemier at pagepath.com Sat Jun 16 12:36:23 2007 From: sciesemier at pagepath.com (Steve Ciesemier) Date: Sat Jun 16 12:35:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] PNG file In-Reply-To: <44C3EC3A-1139-4463-ADB8-6EB090E62F6B@desktopsxm.com> References: <000801c7aed2$06e49f80$042967d3@kp4> <467281EC.4030201@charter.net><000d01c7af51$9ca4b440$042967d3@kp4> <4672A955.6010404@goinsty.com><006901c7af62$f0a01fb0$0200a8c0@promerivale1><9638E52E-6D7B-42D5-A7B8-BABCA4DFDD69@legendsofdodgecity.com><98f5b19a0706151435u2ed76b9dvcebbc4bc7a15309e@mail.gmail.com> <44C3EC3A-1139-4463-ADB8-6EB090E62F6B@desktopsxm.com> Message-ID: ............................................... What is a PNG file? Can it be used on a mac and how can it be opened on a mac? Joel Brint .............................................. Yes, use Adobe Photoshop Joel. This is like a transparent GIF file but better (no jagged edges among other things - see below). Overview of PNG The PNG format (pronounced "PING") was designed to replace the antiquated GIF format, and to some extent, the TIFF format. It utilizes lossless compression, meaning no image data is lost when saving or viewing the image. It is a universal format that is recognized by the World Wide Web consortium, and supported by modern web browsers. The PNG format was developed when it was discovered by the entire development community in early 1995 that the GIF image format uses LZW compression, technology which was patented in 1985 by Unisys corporation. The initial developers of the GIF format, Compuserve, was not aware of this at the time of it's development in 1987. Now commercial and non-commercial software developers who's application supports the reading or writing of GIF or LZW TIFF images must pay substantial royalties and fees. In addition web developers who use any non Microsoft application to generate GIF images directly to a web server also have to pay similar royalties and fees. The PNG format does not have any patent restrictions and can be read and written freely by software developers and webmasters alike. What about GIF? GIF images can only be saved as an 8-bit colormapped image, which means you are limited to 256 colors. Remember the GIF format was developed back when most PC's only had the capability of 256 colors. PNG can be saved not only as 8 bit, but also 24 bit and higher up to 64 bit! GIF images allow one out of the possible 256 colors to be fully transparent. As discussed below, PNG has a much higher level of transparency support. Another benefit of PNG over GIF is typically the filesize of a PNG is about 20% smaller then the same GIF image. Finally, as discussed in the PNG overview above, GIF has patent restrictions with it's use. There is one advantage that GIF has over PNG, and that is animation support. Due to the problems with supporting one image format that can be either static, or animated, the PNG group decided to call the animated version MNG. Unfortunately browser support for MNG is terrible and not practical to use on the web. What about TIFF? The TIFF image format has been around for a long time, and will likely be around for quite a while more. The TIFF format was the cross-platform image format by choice until PNG was introduced, and according to some still is. TIFF's are a developer's nightmare. There are over 50 different styles of TIFF images. You never know if an application will be able to read a TIFF image or not. One of the more popular TIFF's is the 24-bit LZW compressed version. This has the same patent restrictions as the GIF format does, but until PNG, was the only standard lossless compressed format. The standard 24 Bit PNG functionally is very similar in function to a LZW compressed TIFF. The TIFF format is able to store multiple images in one file. This is commonly used for FAX images. PNG's do not have this capability. The TIFF format remains to be popular, but there are few reasons to use it for photograph archival with the added benefits of PNG. What about JPEG? Unlike PNG, JPEG uses a lossy compression routine. Lossy compression means that the image loses quality and information each time it is saved. Because JPEG uses lossy compression, the filesize is almost always smaller then a PNG, especially for photographic images. Care must be taken when working with JPEG images as each time a JPEG is re-saved, more and more compression artifacts are introduced. Since PNG uses lossless compression it's an ideal format ideal for archival purposes, and for editing before saving a final version as a JPEG. JPEG is the most common image format used on the web, and will continue to be. Most photographic images should be saved as JPEG as opposed to PNG for viewing on the web as the filesize will be much smaller. All About Alpha The features discussed so far are probably enough to convert anyone into a PNG user. However, perhaps the best thing a PNG has to offer is what's called the alpha channel. An alpha channel is one byte of extra data per pixel (or palette entry for 8-bit images) that represents the transparency level of a pixel. A PNG image with alpha is capable of 256 levels of transparency. What does all this mean? For one thing, you can anti-alias text and images so that sharp curves look good against any background. You can apply a true drop shadow which fades into the background. You can create images that take any shape or form. There are many possibilities with alpha transparency. Browser Support FireFox, Netscape and Safari fully support PNG alpha. Microsoft now supports PNG with IE 7.0 (what took them so long?). Other PNG Goodies Gamma Another nice feature of PNG images is the ability to adjust gamma based on monitor settings. Normally, the same image viewed on a Macintosh will look much lighter then when viewed on a Windows PC. By storing gamma information in an image, it can always be viewed the way it was originally intended to be viewed, as long as the application reading the PNG takes note of the gamma. Interlacing When viewing either large images, or images under a slow connection, it is nice to be able to see an image gradually take form instead of waiting a long time until it suddenly appears. JPEG accomplishes this with a top to bottom progressive display while PNG can use an interlacing scheme. If a PNG is not interlaced it is viewed progressively. PNG interlacing (formally known as Adam 7) begins by only reading a small percentage of all the data and filling in the empty spaces with an interpolated color value. For every time step, more information is rendered, replacing the "in-between" interpolated colors with the real colors until finally all the data is loaded and rendered. The GIF format can also be interlaced, but the quality is not nearly as good, or fast as a PNG as GIF interlacing is only one-dimensional. Conclusion PNG has many advantages over the GIF and even TIFF image format. There are plenty of tools out there that will convert your GIF images to PNG for you, albeit only some have a license from Unisys (as a warning, you could be liable if you generate GIF images with an unlicensed application). For more information on the PNG format, be sure to visit the Official PNG Home Page. www.libpng.org/pub/png/ If you have read all this Joel, you will no doubt think I am a PNG expert. I'm not. But I do know how to type "PNG" into the Google search window. :-) *********************************************************** Steve Ciesemier PagePath Technologies, Inc. 13 East Main Street Plano, IL 60545-1521 Phone & Fax: 630-689-4112 mailto:SCiesemier@pagepath.com http://www.pagepath.com MyOrderDesk - named Product of the Year by PrintImage International & Best of Breed by Xerox MyOrderDesk - Snag-Free print ready files, no matter the size. Eliminate frustration, spend more time winning & keeping customers, improve your profits. *********************************************************** From jedwards at printzilla.net Sat Jun 16 12:51:03 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Sat Jun 16 12:53:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... In-Reply-To: <200706152132.l5FLWeAm070255@i2bnetworks.com> References: <000801c7aed2$06e49f80$042967d3@kp4> <467281EC.4030201@charter.net> <000d01c7af51$9ca4b440$042967d3@kp4> <4672A955.6010404@goinsty.com> <200706151527.l5FFRrXL006512@i2bnetworks.com> <200706152132.l5FLWeAm070255@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: On Jun 15, 2007, at 4:32 PM, Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Within 60 seconds I can locate any logo for any client and within > another 60 seconds can transform it into a transparent gif, a .png, > or anything else a client might require and email it out. An > organized file structure on the storage servers and Adobe Bridge, > and a fast integrated network allows me to do this. Usually when > these requests come through I handle it personally as to not > trouble my staff. > > That way I can interact directly with the client contact, while > simultaneously building massive amounts of goodwill. I wish now that I would have had the aforethought over the last 20 years to strip each and every job of it's components, label and catalog those components like dinosaur fossils, recreate all customer supplied hard copy and negs, archive them, move them from floppy to Syquest to Zip to CD to server and then update each file as each new software version came out. I can see now that it would be a very simple matter to fill each and every request for logos and artwork for free, and in the timely manner as they always need them - now. Massive amounts of goodwill too when a fledgling desktop employee of one of my customer's vendors demands a vector file in either Illustrator 3 or 6 of a Photoshop tri-tone of the Gulf of Mexico to make a die for embossing napkins. Problem has been though, for every job in this shop there has pretty much always been another job right behind it begging, "My turn! My turn!" And fact is, the grand plan, if there had ever been one would have, no doubt, fallen by the wayside anyhow. Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas From bill at mauiprintworks.com Sat Jun 16 17:09:26 2007 From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works) Date: Sat Jun 16 17:09:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lease vs Loan ( Equipment / Expansion ) Message-ID: I'm in the equipment contemplation stage and would be interested in any of your experiences in expansion planning regarding leases vs loans. In one of my lease experiences I needed to upgrade half way into the lease but was locked into all the payments including interest to close it out. Another one I neglected to check the dollar buy out and owed $3500. at end of lease. So I lean toward loans, but get a lot of calls from leasing companies. What's your opinion on this. Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku, HI 96793 (808)242-6634 Fax (808)242-8967 bill@mauiprintworks.com www. mauiprintworks.com From championprinting at yahoo.com Sat Jun 16 21:40:02 2007 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Sat Jun 16 21:40:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lease vs Loan ( Equipment / Expansion ) Message-ID: <830651.36634.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ask your accountant. There are financial reasons to lease vs borrow that your account should understand based on your situation. I suspect that the lease companies that contact you persistently are the ones most likely to "smoke" you. I too learned my lesson the hard way with CIT. I'm not saying they are crooks, but they too wanted the interest from the last 2 years of the lease when I decided to sell the equipment. I now have one lease remaining, but mostly borrow. My current lease came with an "amortization" schedule with no interest due and very small penalties for early buyout (at my insistence). It' a $1 buyout at the end, so we don't treat it as a lease even though it was structured as one. Those with more accounting experience can probably tell you the whys of leasing/borrowing. I pay my account to minimize my tax liability, so he needs to be involved in those decisions. Seems to be working OK . Keeping financially flexible is important. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Maui Print Works To: Print Owners-Discussion List Owners Only Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 5:09:26 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Lease vs Loan ( Equipment / Expansion ) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I'm in the equipment contemplation stage and would be interested in any of your experiences in expansion planning regarding leases vs loans. In one of my lease experiences I needed to upgrade half way into the lease but was locked into all the payments including interest to close it out. Another one I neglected to check the dollar buy out and owed $3500. at end of lease. So I lean toward loans, but get a lot of calls from leasing companies. What's your opinion on this. Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku, HI 96793 (808)242-6634 Fax (808)242-8967 bill@mauiprintworks.com www. mauiprintworks.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Sun Jun 17 15:02:14 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Sun Jun 17 15:02:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lease vs Loan ( Equipment / Expansion ) References: Message-ID: <002601c7b112$04912fe0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maui Print Works" So I lean toward loans, but get a lot of calls > from leasing companies. What's your opinion on this. ================= My opinion is you get a lot of calls because there is money in it for "them." I would recommend you go with a loan and actually buy the thing most of the time. That being said, my Xerox copiers are leased, cause you get a better service rate from X that way, and chances are you'll want to replace them in three years anyway. Plus when I was replacing the copiers I had just put substantial down payments on the 4 color press and new platemaker and didn't have the cash. Situations vary. Currant lease rates equate to 11% to 12% interest to the leasing company. You can probably finance it through your own bank for 8 to 9%. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From russ at mobile-print.com Mon Jun 18 11:24:20 2007 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Mon Jun 18 10:27:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... In-Reply-To: <4672A955.6010404@goinsty.com> References: <000801c7aed2$06e49f80$042967d3@kp4> <467281EC.4030201@charter.net> <000d01c7af51$9ca4b440$042967d3@kp4> <4672A955.6010404@goinsty.com> Message-ID: <4676A3A4.3070507@mobile-print.com> > Here is the scenario. Customer calls. Asks us to send them their logo > via email. we do it and also send an invoice for $11. Invoice returns > without payment but with a /nice/ note saying "This is a great way to > lose a customer". > > This happens more than I like. Why is this service presumed to be > free? What do others do? > The ones that really get me going are the clients who provided us with their digital logo in the first place and are just too lazy to look for it. "Hi, could you e-mail our logo over to so & so who's making us some T-shirts?" Then we send the nice EPS logo which they originally provided...of course the T-shirt guy never heard of the EPS format & can't use it. After spending 30 minutes of computer time making format changes, and half a dozen phone calls, you find out he wants WMF files with each color as a separate file. ARGH!! I don't care how good a client is, they need to understand that our time is valuable too! Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847-398-6155 Fax: 847-398-0788 From mail at myprinter.biz Mon Jun 18 10:30:36 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Mon Jun 18 10:30:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... In-Reply-To: <200706152132.l5FLWeAm070255@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: Scott - Does kryptonite still weaken you like it used to? Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz ---- "Family, Religion, Friendship These are the three demons you must slay if you wish to succeed in business." C. Montgomery Burns -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 5:32 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Within 60 seconds I can locate any logo for any client and within another 60 seconds can transform it into a transparent gif, a .png, or anything else a client might require and email it out. An organized file structure on the storage servers and Adobe Bridge, and a fast integrated network allows me to do this. Usually when these requests come through I handle it personally as to not trouble my staff. That way I can interact directly with the client contact, while simultaneously building massive amounts of goodwill. If I had to spend 15 minutes trying to accomplish this then maybe it could be justified as billable. In my world, it's not. S. From mail at myprinter.biz Mon Jun 18 10:40:41 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Mon Jun 18 10:40:35 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... In-Reply-To: <4676A3A4.3070507@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: Russ - I agree with you entirely. If you think your example of needless work is a good one, we have customers that ask us to send them proofs of their own letterheads and envelopes, because they want to reorder them and want to make sure they're "right," and they are the exact same letterheads and envelopes we've printed for them for the last five years, including six months ago. No, it's not that they want to make changes, and, no, they aren't out of letterhead or envelopes. ...and, yes, if it's not a big customer, we include the time it takes to provide those "proofs" in our invoices for the jobs. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Russ Peters Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 11:24 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > Here is the scenario. Customer calls. Asks us to send them their logo > via email. we do it and also send an invoice for $11. Invoice returns > without payment but with a /nice/ note saying "This is a great way to > lose a customer". > > This happens more than I like. Why is this service presumed to be > free? What do others do? > The ones that really get me going are the clients who provided us with their digital logo in the first place and are just too lazy to look for it. "Hi, could you e-mail our logo over to so & so who's making us some T-shirts?" Then we send the nice EPS logo which they originally provided...of course the T-shirt guy never heard of the EPS format & can't use it. After spending 30 minutes of computer time making format changes, and half a dozen phone calls, you find out he wants WMF files with each color as a separate file. ARGH!! I don't care how good a client is, they need to understand that our time is valuable too! Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847-398-6155 Fax: 847-398-0788 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From pressexpress at bfm.org Mon Jun 18 10:57:27 2007 From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Mon Jun 18 10:57:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... In-Reply-To: <4676A3A4.3070507@mobile-print.com> References: <000801c7aed2$06e49f80$042967d3@kp4> <467281EC.4030201@charter.net> <000d01c7af51$9ca4b440$042967d3@kp4> <4672A955.6010404@goinsty.com> <4676A3A4.3070507@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: Our new terms were modeled from comments on this list. This is what we now do. If a customer wants us to email the logo to a different party (your t- shirt guy), we refuse stating because of client protection and copyright laws, we cannot "drop ship" the file out, rather, we will send it to the owner so he can forward it to the t-shirt guy. Real reason? Because he will ask us again next week to send it to someone else! It never ends. We also create the logo into 3 or 4 different version, jpg, tiff, eps, etc. so the client has different versions for different peoples usage. Most logo's are eps to start with so this does not take long. We also make them aware that we will charge $15.00 for this. I know it is not much but people bark if you want to charge to forward their logo out. This way, they feel like they are getting something of better value. We will email or burn to cd. THEN. . . we inform them that we are not making any money charging $15.00 to convert their file over and that the charge is merely to cover our labor costs. If they loose the disk/files, a replacement cd will cost $30.00. That gets their attention. We have it document in printsmith and we move on. Hope this helps G On Jun 18, 2007, at 10:24 AM, Russ Peters wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >> Here is the scenario. Customer calls. Asks us to send them their >> logo via email. we do it and also send an invoice for $11. Invoice >> returns without payment but with a /nice/ note saying "This is a >> great way to lose a customer". >> >> This happens more than I like. Why is this service presumed to be >> free? What do others do? >> > The ones that really get me going are the clients who provided us > with their digital logo in the first place and are just too lazy to > look for it. "Hi, could you e-mail our logo over to so & so who's > making us some T-shirts?" Then we send the nice EPS logo which they > originally provided...of course the T-shirt guy never heard of the > EPS format & can't use it. After spending 30 minutes of computer > time making format changes, and half a dozen phone calls, you find > out he wants WMF files with each color as a separate file. ARGH!! > > I don't care how good a client is, they need to understand that our > time is valuable too! > > > Russ Peters > MOBILE PRINT, INC. > 201 W. Central Road > Mount Prospect, IL 60056 > Phone: 847-398-6155 > Fax: 847-398-0788 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mail at myprinter.biz Mon Jun 18 11:07:19 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Mon Jun 18 11:07:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Greg - Your procedure sounds like a good one. The only problem I see is one originally mentioned by Scott C (God, how I hate it when he's right): Your procedure doesn't seem allow you to try to capture the client's business when the client wants their logo for some product or service you could perform or broker out and make $ on. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Greg Weinfurter Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 10:57 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Our new terms were modeled from comments on this list. This is what we now do. If a customer wants us to email the logo to a different party (your t- shirt guy), we refuse stating because of client protection and copyright laws, we cannot "drop ship" the file out, rather, we will send it to the owner so he can forward it to the t-shirt guy. Real reason? Because he will ask us again next week to send it to someone else! It never ends. We also create the logo into 3 or 4 different version, jpg, tiff, eps, etc. so the client has different versions for different peoples usage. Most logo's are eps to start with so this does not take long. We also make them aware that we will charge $15.00 for this. I know it is not much but people bark if you want to charge to forward their logo out. This way, they feel like they are getting something of better value. We will email or burn to cd. THEN. . . we inform them that we are not making any money charging $15.00 to convert their file over and that the charge is merely to cover our labor costs. If they loose the disk/files, a replacement cd will cost $30.00. That gets their attention. We have it document in printsmith and we move on. Hope this helps G On Jun 18, 2007, at 10:24 AM, Russ Peters wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >> Here is the scenario. Customer calls. Asks us to send them their >> logo via email. we do it and also send an invoice for $11. Invoice >> returns without payment but with a /nice/ note saying "This is a >> great way to lose a customer". >> >> This happens more than I like. Why is this service presumed to be >> free? What do others do? >> > The ones that really get me going are the clients who provided us > with their digital logo in the first place and are just too lazy to > look for it. "Hi, could you e-mail our logo over to so & so who's > making us some T-shirts?" Then we send the nice EPS logo which they > originally provided...of course the T-shirt guy never heard of the > EPS format & can't use it. After spending 30 minutes of computer > time making format changes, and half a dozen phone calls, you find > out he wants WMF files with each color as a separate file. ARGH!! > > I don't care how good a client is, they need to understand that our > time is valuable too! > > > Russ Peters > MOBILE PRINT, INC. > 201 W. Central Road > Mount Prospect, IL 60056 > Phone: 847-398-6155 > Fax: 847-398-0788 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From pressexpress at bfm.org Mon Jun 18 11:13:10 2007 From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Mon Jun 18 11:13:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <297B20AE-DEEE-42A1-AA16-A937AAAA3F56@bfm.org> I know, but holding clients files hostage doesn't work either. G On Jun 18, 2007, at 10:07 AM, wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Greg - > > Your procedure sounds like a good one. > > The only problem I see is one originally mentioned by Scott C (God, > how I > hate it when he's right): Your procedure doesn't seem allow you to > try to > capture the client's business when the client wants their logo for > some > product or service you could perform or broker out and make $ on. > > Dan > Sir Speedy Printing Center > 5845 Hollywood Boulevard > Hollywood, FL 33021 > t 954.962.1309 > f 954-962-1366 > dan@myprinter.biz > www.myprinter.biz > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Greg Weinfurter > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 10:57 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Our new terms were modeled from comments on this list. > > This is what we now do. > > If a customer wants us to email the logo to a different party (your t- > shirt guy), we refuse stating because of client protection and > copyright laws, we cannot "drop ship" the file out, rather, we will > send it to the owner so he can forward it to the t-shirt guy. Real > reason? Because he will ask us again next week to send it to someone > else! It never ends. > > We also create the logo into 3 or 4 different version, jpg, tiff, > eps, etc. so the client has different versions for different peoples > usage. Most logo's are eps to start with so this does not take > long. We also make them aware that we will charge $15.00 for this. > I know it is not much but people bark if you want to charge to > forward their logo out. This way, they feel like they are getting > something of better value. We will email or burn to cd. > > THEN. . . we inform them that we are not making any money charging > $15.00 to convert their file over and that the charge is merely to > cover our labor costs. If they loose the disk/files, a replacement > cd will cost $30.00. That gets their attention. We have it document > in printsmith and we move on. > > Hope this helps > > G > > On Jun 18, 2007, at 10:24 AM, Russ Peters wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >>> Here is the scenario. Customer calls. Asks us to send them their >>> logo via email. we do it and also send an invoice for $11. Invoice >>> returns without payment but with a /nice/ note saying "This is a >>> great way to lose a customer". >>> >>> This happens more than I like. Why is this service presumed to be >>> free? What do others do? >>> >> The ones that really get me going are the clients who provided us >> with their digital logo in the first place and are just too lazy to >> look for it. "Hi, could you e-mail our logo over to so & so who's >> making us some T-shirts?" Then we send the nice EPS logo which they >> originally provided...of course the T-shirt guy never heard of the >> EPS format & can't use it. After spending 30 minutes of computer >> time making format changes, and half a dozen phone calls, you find >> out he wants WMF files with each color as a separate file. ARGH!! >> >> I don't care how good a client is, they need to understand that our >> time is valuable too! >> >> >> Russ Peters >> MOBILE PRINT, INC. >> 201 W. Central Road >> Mount Prospect, IL 60056 >> Phone: 847-398-6155 >> Fax: 847-398-0788 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Mon Jun 18 11:21:23 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Mon Jun 18 11:23:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lease vs Loan ( Equipment / Expansion ) In-Reply-To: <20070617160003.0CBEE8E9EBF@rb.enter.net> References: <20070617160003.0CBEE8E9EBF@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <562fcddb7edbf0f30d7df60192e21dc5@sheergraphics.com> We're installing two machines this week, both are purchased in part with one bank loan. We may choose to depreciate them in one year (under section 179 of the United States Internal Revenue Code) or depreciate them over a number of years. The interest expense is just that - an expense. The APR, annual percentage rate of interest, from a bank is usually lower than with a lease. Currently loan rates are in the 7% to 7-1/2% range. We have title to, and therefore own, the equipment. We can sell the equipment at any time and the price can be determined by the market, not the equipment lessor. Banks will be far more polite about tardy payments than a leasing company; lessors own the equipment and can easily repossess their machine. We purchased our KM C500 eighteen months ago and the 'click' charges were the same as if we had leased the copier. I see no advantage to a lease - but several disadvantages. When one purchases, rather than commiting to a lease, one can sell and replace with more desirable equipment prior to the end of the loan - without any obstacles erected by the equipment's owner. > Ask your accountant. There are financial reasons to lease vs borrow > that your account should understand based on your situation. I suspect > that the lease companies that contact you persistently are the ones > most likely to "smoke" you. I too learned my lesson the hard way with > CIT. I'm not saying they are crooks, but they too wanted the interest > from the last 2 years of the lease when I decided to sell the > equipment. I now have one lease remaining, but mostly borrow. My > current lease came with an "amortization" schedule with no interest > due and very small penalties for early buyout (at my insistence). It' > a $1 buyout at the end, so we don't treat it as a lease even though it > was structured as one. Those with more accounting experience can > probably tell you the whys of leasing/borrowing. I pay my account to > minimize my tax liability, so he needs to be involved in those > decisions. Seems to be working OK . Keeping financially flexible is > important. > > Ted Gelletly > Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From John at mpcny.com Mon Jun 18 11:34:39 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Mon Jun 18 11:34:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lease vs Loan In-Reply-To: <20070618151321.C0DDA8EEE4B@rb.enter.net> References: <20070618151321.C0DDA8EEE4B@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <001c01c7b1be$2f816420$8e842c60$@com> I have and still do both. Often times I find the bank is by far best on used equipment. On new things sometimes the MFG has special lease deals. I once I got a lease that was equal to a 6% rate with $1 buyout from Abidck when I bought my press, far lower than the bank at the time. One thing to keep in mind you can with most back loans pay it off with no prepayment penalty, you cannot do that with a lease. Copiers I pretty much all do with a FMV lease and give them back. I write in the lease they have to pick it up. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/852 - Release Date: 6/17/2007 8:23 AM From peggiprice at hotmail.com Mon Jun 18 11:52:55 2007 From: peggiprice at hotmail.com (Peggi Price) Date: Mon Jun 18 11:53:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... In-Reply-To: <4676A3A4.3070507@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: >I don't care how good a client is, they need to understand that our time is >valuable too! I charge! Oh, all right, a regular customer that asks once in a blue moon I probably won't (I equate it to how nice it feels when I go into the eyeglass place and have them replace a missing screw and when I say "what do I owe you", they say "no charge"). But, customers who are asking for this on a regular basis ARE looking at this as a service I provide. I am a full service print shop which means I also act as an advertising agency at times. Some of my customers have separate advertising agencies who I am sure are charging them for the service when they send me a logo I need in order to print something - because that is what they do for a living! But my favorite request for free additional service was the customer who asked me to pick up her shoes at the shoe repair place next door so that she would only have to make one stop when she came to town to also pick up her print order. Peggi Price Inkspot Press Manchester Center, Vermont and Bennington, Vermont _________________________________________________________________ Who's that on the Red Carpet? Play & win glamorous prizes. http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=REDCARPET_hotmailtextlink3 From cahill at bizprint.com Mon Jun 18 13:01:49 2007 From: cahill at bizprint.com (Cahill@bizprint.com) Date: Mon Jun 18 13:00:53 2007 Subject: Spam:****, Re: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We also charge. Its not much $15.00, but it sends a message that our time is worth something. -- Cahill Jones BizPrint Boise, Idaho > From: Peggi Price > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:52:55 +0000 > To: > Subject: Spam:****, Re: [PrintOwners] Services presumed to be free... > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> I don't care how good a client is, they need to understand that our time is >> valuable too! > > I charge! Oh, all right, a regular customer that asks once in a blue moon I > probably won't (I equate it to how nice it feels when I go into the eyeglass > place and have them replace a missing screw and when I say "what do I owe > you", they say "no charge"). But, customers who are asking for this on a > regular basis ARE looking at this as a service I provide. I am a full > service print shop which means I also act as an advertising agency at times. > Some of my customers have separate advertising agencies who I am sure are > charging them for the service when they send me a logo I need in order to > print something - because that is what they do for a living! > > But my favorite request for free additional service was the customer who > asked me to pick up her shoes at the shoe repair place next door so that she > would only have to make one stop when she came to town to also pick up her > print order. > > Peggi Price > Inkspot Press > Manchester Center, Vermont > and > Bennington, Vermont > > _________________________________________________________________ > Who's that on the Red Carpet? Play & win glamorous prizes. > http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=REDCARPET_hotmailtextlink3 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From russ at mobile-print.com Mon Jun 18 14:31:01 2007 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Mon Jun 18 13:33:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wage & Bennefit Study Message-ID: <4676CF65.7050100@mobile-print.com> I just received mine in the mail. -- Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847-398-6155 Fax: 847-398-0788 From QKCONSULT at aol.com Mon Jun 18 13:40:55 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Mon Jun 18 13:46:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wage & Bennefit Study Message-ID: In a message dated 6/18/2007 1:34:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, russ@mobile-print.com writes: I just received mine in the mail. Not bad for being mailed Friday. Thanks for the update. When you were a little kid, did you ever say to yourself or friends, "When I grow up I want to be a mailman?" Had that same study been mailed Standard, it would have been handled out of three distinctly difference facilities in Jacksonville, FL and where from past experience the sacks would have sat around for 6-10 days before even being opened, let alone being forwarded on to additional BMCs. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From rstor at copycats.com Mon Jun 18 13:59:34 2007 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Mon Jun 18 14:01:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wage & Bennefit Study In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4676C806.5010804@copycats.com> Received today Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > In a message dated 6/18/2007 1:34:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > russ@mobile-print.com writes: > > I just received mine in the mail. > > > > Not bad for being mailed Friday. Thanks for the update. > > When you were a little kid, did you ever say to yourself or friends, "When I > grow up I want to be a mailman?" > > Had that same study been mailed Standard, it would have been handled out of > three distinctly difference facilities in Jacksonville, FL and where from past > experience the sacks would have sat around for 6-10 days before even being > opened, let alone being forwarded on to additional BMCs. > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From keli at parchmentpress.net Mon Jun 18 16:22:31 2007 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Mon Jun 18 16:22:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Duplicator info needed Message-ID: <4676E987.3070300@parchmentpress.net> Hello, Does anyone on the list know of anyone that rebuilds drums for digital duplicators? I have a Gestetner copyprinter 5450 that has been sitting in the back for several years and I want to put it to work again on a steady basis. I have played with it and the masters work fine but the drum has problem inking up. I have heard that some people can fix or rebuild them - But I can not find anyone! Any help is greatly appreciated! thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Parchment Press is a Cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes Communities - To learn more about our community and what we are all about - please feel free to email me off list or visit our website at : http://www.twelvetribes.com From armand at curryonline.com Mon Jun 18 16:22:44 2007 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Mon Jun 18 16:23:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wage & Bennefit Study In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0MKp8S-1I0NkZ2kNl-0002v2@mrelay.perfora.net> I also received mine today (all the way up here in Maine). You think the Post Office is getting more efficient? Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:41 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Wage & Bennefit Study ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 6/18/2007 1:34:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, russ@mobile-print.com writes: I just received mine in the mail. Not bad for being mailed Friday. Thanks for the update. When you were a little kid, did you ever say to yourself or friends, "When I grow up I want to be a mailman?" Had that same study been mailed Standard, it would have been handled out of three distinctly difference facilities in Jacksonville, FL and where from past experience the sacks would have sat around for 6-10 days before even being opened, let alone being forwarded on to additional BMCs. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From latson at koyote.com Mon Jun 18 16:50:53 2007 From: latson at koyote.com (Dick Latson) Date: Mon Jun 18 16:51:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Badge Silk Screening Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20070618152837.025ddef8@mail.koyote.com> I realize I can google this inquiry but my wish is to get a recommendation from a fellow printowner that can confirm a vendor for me that is a proven performer. My current supplier for this has let me down for the last time. We produce some high quality name badges for our university that combines a silk screened image onto a engravable plastic name tag that is then engraved as needed. I will be much obliged to any who respond. Dick Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: owner@latsons.com www.latsons.com From bgallagher at nbn.net Mon Jun 18 16:56:11 2007 From: bgallagher at nbn.net (Bob Gallagher) Date: Mon Jun 18 16:56:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wage & Benefit Study In-Reply-To: <0MKp8S-1I0NkZ2kNl-0002v2@mrelay.perfora.net> Message-ID: On 6/18/07 4:22 PM, "Armand Girard" wrote: It made it to Central Pennsylvania also. I only glanced through it, but was surprised at some of the wages. I expected them to be a little higher. Bob Gallagher Gallagher Printing, Inc. 601 W. Main Street Palmyra, PA 17078 717-838-1527 1-888-838-1527 Fax 717-838-5715 An Adobe Service Provider A Microsoft Publisher Provider Member, Adobe Solutions Network From jdowning at libertygrouponline.com Mon Jun 18 17:54:12 2007 From: jdowning at libertygrouponline.com (Joy Downing) Date: Mon Jun 18 16:58:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Badge Silk Screening References: <6.0.1.1.2.20070618152837.025ddef8@mail.koyote.com> Message-ID: <018901c7b1f3$34e4d610$1401a8c0@JOY2> I have used Hodgins Engraving for this. 1-800-666-8950 Joy Downing The Liberty Group Bowling Green, KY jdowning@libertygrouponline.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Latson" To: Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 2:50 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Badge Silk Screening > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I realize I can google this inquiry but my wish is to get a recommendation > from a fellow printowner that can confirm a vendor for me that is a proven > performer. My current supplier for this has let me down for the last time. > We produce some high quality name badges for our university that combines > a silk screened image onto a engravable plastic name tag that is then > engraved as needed. > > I will be much obliged to any who respond. > Dick > > Dick Latson > Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. > 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 > Commerce, Texas 75428 > (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 > email: owner@latsons.com > www.latsons.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From stalprint at charter.net Mon Jun 18 16:58:51 2007 From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings) Date: Mon Jun 18 16:58:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Badge Silk Screening In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20070618152837.025ddef8@mail.koyote.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20070618152837.025ddef8@mail.koyote.com> Message-ID: <4676F20B.8080206@charter.net> I have used http://www.caromark.com/category.aspx?categoryID=12 They have a dealer discount program Dick Latson wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I realize I can google this inquiry but my wish is to get a > recommendation from a fellow printowner that can confirm a vendor for > me that is a proven performer. My current supplier for this has let me > down for the last time. We produce some high quality name badges for > our university that combines a silk screened image onto a engravable > plastic name tag that is then engraved as needed. > > I will be much obliged to any who respond. > Dick > > Dick Latson > Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. > 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 > Commerce, Texas 75428 > (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 > email: owner@latsons.com > www.latsons.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net Lenoir, NC 28645 From david.doost at gmail.com Mon Jun 18 17:18:28 2007 From: david.doost at gmail.com (David Doost) Date: Mon Jun 18 17:18:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Badge Silk Screening In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20070618152837.025ddef8@mail.koyote.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20070618152837.025ddef8@mail.koyote.com> Message-ID: <4676f6a1.0308360a.0e40.ffffb86a@mx.google.com> We have used these guys over 20 years. I highly recommend them: http://www.fessco.net/ David Doost Printing Impression 1200 Barrett Pkwy Suite 4 Kennesaw, GA 30144 www.printingimpression.net -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dick Latson Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 4:51 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Badge Silk Screening ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I realize I can google this inquiry but my wish is to get a recommendation from a fellow printowner that can confirm a vendor for me that is a proven performer. My current supplier for this has let me down for the last time. We produce some high quality name badges for our university that combines a silk screened image onto a engravable plastic name tag that is then engraved as needed. I will be much obliged to any who respond. Dick Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: owner@latsons.com www.latsons.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cahill at bizprint.com Mon Jun 18 17:41:53 2007 From: cahill at bizprint.com (Cahill@bizprint.com) Date: Mon Jun 18 17:40:56 2007 Subject: Spam:******, RE: [PrintOwners] Wage & Bennefit Study In-Reply-To: <0MKp8S-1I0NkZ2kNl-0002v2@mrelay.perfora.net> Message-ID: I got mine today too! Normally the pony express takes 2 weeks. -- Cahill Jones BizPrint Boise, Idaho > From: Armand Girard > Organization: Curry Printing & Mailing > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:22:44 -0400 > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Subject: Spam:******, RE: [PrintOwners] Wage & Bennefit Study > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I also received mine today (all the way up here in Maine). > > You think the Post Office is getting more efficient? > > > Armand Girard > Curry Printing & Mailing > 31 Mill St > Auburn, ME 04210 > > email: armand@curryonline.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:41 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Wage & Bennefit Study > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > In a message dated 6/18/2007 1:34:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > russ@mobile-print.com writes: > > I just received mine in the mail. > > > > Not bad for being mailed Friday. Thanks for the update. > > When you were a little kid, did you ever say to yourself or friends, "When > I > grow up I want to be a mailman?" > > Had that same study been mailed Standard, it would have been handled out of > > three distinctly difference facilities in Jacksonville, FL and where from > past > experience the sacks would have sat around for 6-10 days before even being > > opened, let alone being forwarded on to additional BMCs. > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From QKCONSULT at aol.com Mon Jun 18 18:11:28 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Mon Jun 18 18:13:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wage & Benefit Study Message-ID: In a message dated 6/18/2007 4:57:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bgallagher@nbn.net writes: I only glanced through it, but was surprised at some of the wages. I expected them to be a little higher. Look up specifically what the $2-3 Million dollar businesses are paying... they tend to set the real pace when it comes to market wages. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt & John Stewart _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From dennisdater at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 18 19:47:37 2007 From: dennisdater at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Dater) Date: Mon Jun 18 19:48:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wage & Benefit Study In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070618234803.B51A78F1865@rb.enter.net> Arrived in San Diego today. Dennis Dater Allegra Print & Imaging 8037 Vickers Street San Diego, CA 92111 858-576-0100 or 619-696-6290 www.allegrasandiego.com dennisdater@sbcglobal.net No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/852 - Release Date: 6/17/2007 8:23 AM From QKCONSULT at aol.com Mon Jun 18 20:07:31 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Mon Jun 18 20:07:48 2007 Subject: No, no, no... Re: [PrintOwners] Wage & Benefit Study Message-ID: In a message dated 6/18/2007 7:49:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dennisdater@sbcglobal.net writes: Arrived in San Diego today. I'm sick and tired of all these "Wow, my Wage and Benefits Study arrived today, only two days after it was mailed." If word of this type of praise gets back to them they will be hard to live with. The actual facts of the matter are that I spent all evening Friday, all day Saturday and part of Sunday flying all around the country, taking taxi rides and riding my own bike a few times, to make sure you guys had your copies, so let's not give praise where it is undeserved.... from Maine to Oregon... I trudged, and flew and missed a couple of snowy mountain tops by just CH, but neither rain, nor sleet, nor snow or (hell I forgot the rest)... Let's try again... bring me your tired, your poor, those huddled masses yearning to be free... well, whatever, I got the damn things delivered so I don't want to hear anymore undeserved praise heaped upon those undeserving SOBs at the USPS! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt & John Stewart _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From slb at inkspot.net Mon Jun 18 21:37:28 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon Jun 18 21:37:50 2007 Subject: No, no, no... Re: [PrintOwners] Wage & Benefit Study In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4676FB18.29168.7AE16B@slb.inkspot.net> Hey, I thought that was you I saw on that bicycle. Got mine today. Steve > > > In a message dated 6/18/2007 7:49:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > dennisdater@sbcglobal.net writes: > > Arrived in San Diego today. > > > I'm sick and tired of all these "Wow, my Wage and Benefits Study arrived > today, only two days after it was mailed." > > If word of this type of praise gets back to them they will be hard to live > with. > > The actual facts of the matter are that I spent all evening Friday, all day > Saturday and part of Sunday flying all around the country, taking taxi rides > and riding my own bike a few times, to make sure you guys had your copies, so > let's not give praise where it is undeserved.... from Maine to Oregon... I > trudged, and flew and missed a couple of snowy mountain tops by just CH, but > neither rain, nor sleet, nor snow or (hell I forgot the rest)... Let's try > again... bring me your tired, your poor, those huddled masses yearning to be > free... well, whatever, I got the damn things delivered so I don't want to hear > anymore undeserved praise heaped upon those undeserving SOBs at the USPS! > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt & > John Stewart > _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 > FAX 321-727-2166 > CELL: 321-794-6259 > > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2337 (20070618) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From dennisdater at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 18 23:08:08 2007 From: dennisdater at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Dater) Date: Mon Jun 18 23:08:16 2007 Subject: No, no, no... Re: [PrintOwners] Wage & Benefit Study In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070619030815.43E5B8F23BC@rb.enter.net> OK, I lied. I didn't want you to feel bad. Dennis Dater Allegra Print & Imaging 8037 Vickers Street San Diego, CA 92111 858-576-0100 or 619-696-6290 www.allegrasandiego.com dennisdater@sbcglobal.net -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 5:08 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: No, no, no... Re: [PrintOwners] Wage & Benefit Study ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 6/18/2007 7:49:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dennisdater@sbcglobal.net writes: Arrived in San Diego today. I'm sick and tired of all these "Wow, my Wage and Benefits Study arrived today, only two days after it was mailed." If word of this type of praise gets back to them they will be hard to live with. The actual facts of the matter are that I spent all evening Friday, all day Saturday and part of Sunday flying all around the country, taking taxi rides and riding my own bike a few times, to make sure you guys had your copies, so let's not give praise where it is undeserved.... from Maine to Oregon... I trudged, and flew and missed a couple of snowy mountain tops by just CH, but neither rain, nor sleet, nor snow or (hell I forgot the rest)... Let's try again... bring me your tired, your poor, those huddled masses yearning to be free... well, whatever, I got the damn things delivered so I don't want to hear anymore undeserved praise heaped upon those undeserving SOBs at the USPS! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt & John Stewart _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/852 - Release Date: 6/17/2007 8:23 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/852 - Release Date: 6/17/2007 8:23 AM From braddpotter at juno.com Tue Jun 19 02:50:49 2007 From: braddpotter at juno.com (Brad D Potter) Date: Tue Jun 19 02:51:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] We are new to big color need suggested vendor for trade show type devices Message-ID: <20070618.235049.2184.12.braddpotter@juno.com> I have a need for one of those roll up thingys like people take to trade shows. We do the poster in tyvek or canvas or whatever, and it is several feet wide and then extends up to 8 feet or something. http://www.displays2go.com/product.asp?ID=8153 this is 135.00 is that a good price? is it junk?? are there other or better options?? tia brad Printing Services www.myprintsource.net 3480 SE Bethel Road Port Orchard, Washington 98366 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax From jdaghir at gmail.com Tue Jun 19 09:11:20 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Tue Jun 19 09:11:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] We are new to big color need suggested vendor for trade show type devices In-Reply-To: <20070618.235049.2184.12.braddpotter@juno.com> References: <20070618.235049.2184.12.braddpotter@juno.com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620706190611m51e67034ob35c12e984e556c@mail.gmail.com> We're an Orbus dealer. They have a nice selection of trade show products and reseller pricing. You might check them out: http://www.orbusinc.com/ -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Brad said: > I have a need for one of those roll up thingys like people take to trade > shows. We do the poster in tyvek or canvas or whatever, and it is > several feet wide and then extends up to 8 feet or something. > > http://www.displays2go.com/product.asp?ID=8153 > > this is 135.00 From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Jun 19 12:25:04 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Jun 19 12:25:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] We are new to big color need suggested vendor for trade show type devices In-Reply-To: <20070618.235049.2184.12.braddpotter@juno.com> References: <20070618.235049.2184.12.braddpotter@juno.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0706190925i5f78536cp57541b0665baad02@mail.gmail.com> On 6/19/07, Brad D Potter wrote: > this is 135.00 > is that a good price? is it junk?? > > are there other or better options?? The price looks competitive. We use www.ssdisplays.com They sell a similar unit with similar dealer pricing. Retail list would be about double. They also have a series of inexpensive "spider" display stands that we've had some success with. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From kathy at mpcny.com Tue Jun 19 12:34:04 2007 From: kathy at mpcny.com (Kathy Henry) Date: Tue Jun 19 12:34:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing Problem Message-ID: <003201c7b28f$a6915bc0$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> We just encountered a mailing issue with our Post Office that anyone out there doing mailings may run into. The Post Office told us that our mailing program, AccuZip, was giving incorrect postage discounts based on separation classifications. The Post Office demanded postage adjustments, stating our software was wrong. We contacted AccuZip, sent them the sorts, and they responded in minutes that the Post Office was wrong and there was an update to the DMM showing we could sort into those classifications. We had to take the DMM references given to us by AccuZip to the Post Office to prove our point. The Postal Clerk said that only the large post offices got the DMM update, smaller ones did not, and they must do a manual override to allow the processing. It is happening at smaller post offices all over the US, but the fix will not be implemented for several weeks. AccuZip saved the day, and the fault lied with the Post Office. Without AccuZip, our clients would have been paying additional postage indefinitely. Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing HYPERLINK "mailto:kathy@mpcny.com"kathy@mpcny.com 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/853 - Release Date: 6/18/2007 3:02 PM From dennis.trump at gmail.com Tue Jun 19 13:50:01 2007 From: dennis.trump at gmail.com (Dennis Trump) Date: Tue Jun 19 13:50:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing Problem In-Reply-To: <003201c7b28f$a6915bc0$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> References: <003201c7b28f$a6915bc0$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> Message-ID: <41aa6a080706191050j770e1e35i96c6c1d3a1c3c3de@mail.gmail.com> > AccuZip saved the day, and the fault lied with the Post Office. Without > AccuZip, our clients would have been paying additional postage indefinitely. Unfortunately this happens more frequently than one might imagine. The software vendors are usually on top of these things and go to great lengths to protect their software and in turn you the mailer. The PO is notorious for implementing rulings and procedures that they hold the commercial mailer to but then do not train or implement this in their own system in a timely manner and this holds particularly true the farther down the line you get into the PO system. A good example of this type of thing is going on for us right now. We apply full value postage stamps to a mailing that we do every couple of weeks. We use the rolls of 10,000 self adhesive stamps for this. We still have not been able to do this since the rate increase because there are no rolls of the new 41 cent stamps available yet. You would have thought the PO had a heads up on the rate increase and would have had these on hand. We have mailed twice now by metering the mail and our client has been understanding but the third mailing is staring at us and I dread giving the client a call again to tell them we still don't have the stamps. Their patience seems to be wearing thin and frankly I don't blame them. -- Dennis Trump Trump Printing & Direct Mail Communications Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 From peggiprice at hotmail.com Tue Jun 19 14:22:09 2007 From: peggiprice at hotmail.com (Peggi Price) Date: Tue Jun 19 14:22:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pin Fed Forms In-Reply-To: <41aa6a080706191050j770e1e35i96c6c1d3a1c3c3de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Need a vendor for: 150,000 2 part NCR - 2 colors 8 1/2 x 11 pin fed forms (9 1/2 x 11 with the pin feed) Suggestions appreciated. Haven't had to order any of these in a long time and I think the suppliers I used to use are no longer in business. Peggi Price Inkspot Press Manchester Center, VT and Bennnington, VT 802-362-1140 _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazine’s 2007 editors’ choice for best Web mail—award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 From hal at pickimp.com Tue Jun 19 14:36:02 2007 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Tue Jun 19 14:32:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pin Fed Forms References: Message-ID: <001301c7b2a0$b270d900$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> We are located at: 5971 Product Drive Sterling Heights, MI 48312 (586) 939-7900 800-334-FORM (3676) press 5 Hal Wendt IMP Printing & Graphics Design Southgate, Michigan USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggi Price" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 2:22 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Pin Fed Forms > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Need a vendor for: > > 150,000 > 2 part NCR - 2 colors > 8 1/2 x 11 pin fed forms (9 1/2 x 11 with the pin feed) > > Suggestions appreciated. Haven't had to order any of these in a long time > and I think the suppliers I used to use are no longer in business. > > > Peggi Price > Inkspot Press > Manchester Center, VT > and > Bennnington, VT > 802-362-1140 > > _________________________________________________________________ > PC Magazine?s 2007 editors? choice for best Web mail?award-winning Windows > Live Hotmail. > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migratio n_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From mail at myprinter.biz Tue Jun 19 14:33:19 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Tue Jun 19 14:33:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pin Fed Forms In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Peggi - 1. Wise Business Forms. Here's a link to their site: http://www.wbf.com/home.asp 2. Are you aware that your signature doesn't include you email address? Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Peggi Price Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 2:22 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Pin Fed Forms ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Need a vendor for: 150,000 2 part NCR - 2 colors 8 1/2 x 11 pin fed forms (9 1/2 x 11 with the pin feed) Suggestions appreciated. Haven't had to order any of these in a long time and I think the suppliers I used to use are no longer in business. Peggi Price Inkspot Press Manchester Center, VT and Bennnington, VT 802-362-1140 _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazine?s 2007 editors? choice for best Web mail?award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migratio n_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bherion at bucksdigital.com Tue Jun 19 15:30:45 2007 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Tue Jun 19 15:30:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] ASI alternatives Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070619152900.0292c320@bucksdigital.com> Some while back, I remember folks listing alternatives to ASI. I'd search the archives, but honestly don't have the time to open every month and search. Help is appreciated. Thanks! Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com Tue Jun 19 16:05:01 2007 From: kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com (Kirk Squiers) Date: Tue Jun 19 16:05:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wage & Benefit Study Message-ID: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111CD2C@fpserver.FP.local> Not to the depressed economy of Michigan yet. Kirk K. Squiers Central Michigan Graphics 1200 E. Oakland Lansing, Michigan 48906 www.centralmichigangraphics.com 517-230-8600 kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bob Gallagher Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 4:56 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Wage & Benefit Study ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On 6/18/07 4:22 PM, "Armand Girard" wrote: It made it to Central Pennsylvania also. I only glanced through it, but was surprised at some of the wages. I expected them to be a little higher. Bob Gallagher Gallagher Printing, Inc. 601 W. Main Street Palmyra, PA 17078 717-838-1527 1-888-838-1527 Fax 717-838-5715 An Adobe Service Provider A Microsoft Publisher Provider Member, Adobe Solutions Network _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com Tue Jun 19 16:05:51 2007 From: kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com (Kirk Squiers) Date: Tue Jun 19 16:06:05 2007 Subject: No, no, no... Re: [PrintOwners] Wage & Benefit Study Message-ID: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111CD2D@fpserver.FP.local> What the hell Stewart! You bypassed Michigan!!! Kirk K. Squiers Central Michigan Graphics 1200 E. Oakland Lansing, Michigan 48906 www.centralmichigangraphics.com 517-230-8600 kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 8:08 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: No, no, no... Re: [PrintOwners] Wage & Benefit Study ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 6/18/2007 7:49:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dennisdater@sbcglobal.net writes: Arrived in San Diego today. I'm sick and tired of all these "Wow, my Wage and Benefits Study arrived today, only two days after it was mailed." If word of this type of praise gets back to them they will be hard to live with. The actual facts of the matter are that I spent all evening Friday, all day Saturday and part of Sunday flying all around the country, taking taxi rides and riding my own bike a few times, to make sure you guys had your copies, so let's not give praise where it is undeserved.... from Maine to Oregon... I trudged, and flew and missed a couple of snowy mountain tops by just CH, but neither rain, nor sleet, nor snow or (hell I forgot the rest)... Let's try again... bring me your tired, your poor, those huddled masses yearning to be free... well, whatever, I got the damn things delivered so I don't want to hear anymore undeserved praise heaped upon those undeserving SOBs at the USPS! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt & John Stewart _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jacemeister at gmail.com Tue Jun 19 16:07:00 2007 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Tue Jun 19 16:07:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] ASI alternatives In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070619152900.0292c320@bucksdigital.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070619152900.0292c320@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: Here's one you can try: http://www.pmdm.com/index.cfm -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com > Some while back, I remember folks listing alternatives to ASI. > I'd search the archives, but honestly don't have the time to open > every month and search. > Help is appreciated. > Thanks! > > Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's > Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 > 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 > www.bucksdigital.com From signal.graphics at snet.net Tue Jun 19 17:46:32 2007 From: signal.graphics at snet.net (Philip Bombart) Date: Tue Jun 19 17:46:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pin Fed Forms In-Reply-To: References: <41aa6a080706191050j770e1e35i96c6c1d3a1c3c3de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c7b2bb$4ded3c10$6a01a8c0@phil> We have used Maggio data corp for 14 years and no problems. Their number is 1-800-783-6313. They are on long island and new jersey. Philip Bombart Signal Graphics Printing 63 Hebron Avenue Glastonbury, CT 06033 860.633.3333 signal.graphics @snet.net -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Peggi Price Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 2:22 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Pin Fed Forms ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Need a vendor for: 150,000 2 part NCR - 2 colors 8 1/2 x 11 pin fed forms (9 1/2 x 11 with the pin feed) Suggestions appreciated. Haven't had to order any of these in a long time and I think the suppliers I used to use are no longer in business. Peggi Price Inkspot Press Manchester Center, VT and Bennnington, VT 802-362-1140 _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazine's 2007 editors' choice for best Web mail-award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migratio n_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jdaghir at gmail.com Tue Jun 19 18:58:58 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Tue Jun 19 18:59:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pin Fed Forms In-Reply-To: References: <41aa6a080706191050j770e1e35i96c6c1d3a1c3c3de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620706191558l3c4e656ctac1b451dd2c3f626@mail.gmail.com> How about Ennis Business Forms: www.ennis.com -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Peggi said: > Need a vendor for: > > 150,000 > 2 part NCR - 2 colors > 8 1/2 x 11 pin fed forms (9 1/2 x 11 with the pin feed) > > Suggestions appreciated. Haven't had to order any of these in a long time > and I think the suppliers I used to use are no longer in business. From jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com Tue Jun 19 19:05:55 2007 From: jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com (Jim Quinn) Date: Tue Jun 19 19:10:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] ASI alternatives In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070619152900.0292c320@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: We use Sageworld.com Jim Quinn Sir Speedy 4043 15323 Midway Road Addison, TX 75001 Phone 972-788-4266 Fax 972-788-2367 jquinn@sirspeedy4043.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bob Herion Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 2:31 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] ASI alternatives ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Some while back, I remember folks listing alternatives to ASI. I'd search the archives, but honestly don't have the time to open every month and search. Help is appreciated. Thanks! Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From carisa at holmesprinting.com Tue Jun 19 19:16:45 2007 From: carisa at holmesprinting.com (Carisa Holmes-Peters) Date: Tue Jun 19 19:16:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Motivational Cd's In-Reply-To: <20070619200605.C5B108F5FC8@rb.enter.net> References: <20070619200605.C5B108F5FC8@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <88F51A13-89F8-4A77-A9D0-ECEF4EA15D71@holmesprinting.com> Would like recommendations on a motivational cd that encompasses boosting confidence in the workplace etc. Thanks! Carisa Carisa Holmes-Peters Administrative Office Manager HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com http://www.holmesprinting.com/ ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! POSTERS, BANNERS, INDOOR/OUTDOOR AND MORE - CALL TODAY! ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** From mmpanderson at gmail.com Tue Jun 19 20:59:32 2007 From: mmpanderson at gmail.com (Danny Ross) Date: Tue Jun 19 20:59:35 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon 7095 Message-ID: <6f85218f0706191759g17f6807k1a893a16b237ffca@mail.gmail.com> Looking at 7095 from Canon vs Xerox 4595. Not as familiar with Canon. Any real negatives on 7095? -- Danny Ross Minuteman Press Anderson, SC 864-224-9115 dross@minutemanpress.com From eric at prioritypress.com Tue Jun 19 22:04:29 2007 From: eric at prioritypress.com (Eric Mance) Date: Tue Jun 19 22:03:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Variable Data?? Message-ID: <20070620020351.E2B7E8F73C1@rb.enter.net> Hi, Anyone doing variable data on a Xerox 240? What software do you use? I have a customer that is generating a newsletter with MS Word and they have a customer list in a .csv file. How can this be merged and output on the 240? Thanks, Eric Mance Priority Press (413)525-6111 www.prioritypress.com From acepm2 at gmail.com Wed Jun 20 04:57:24 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Wed Jun 20 04:57:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing Problem In-Reply-To: <41aa6a080706191050j770e1e35i96c6c1d3a1c3c3de@mail.gmail.com> References: <003201c7b28f$a6915bc0$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> <41aa6a080706191050j770e1e35i96c6c1d3a1c3c3de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dennis, I just had the same problem with stamps, as you know! (I usually get Dennis to get me a roll or two when I need them!) Anyway, check here: http://shop.usps.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductCategoryDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10152&categoryId=11831 You'll see that there are coils available in the 10K units you need. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On 6/19/07, Dennis Trump wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > AccuZip saved the day, and the fault lied with the Post Office. Without > > AccuZip, our clients would have been paying additional postage > indefinitely. > > Unfortunately this happens more frequently than one might imagine. The > software vendors are usually on top of these things and go to great > lengths to protect their software and in turn you the mailer. The PO > is notorious for implementing rulings and procedures that they hold > the commercial mailer to but then do not train or implement this in > their own system in a timely manner and this holds particularly true > the farther down the line you get into the PO system. > > A good example of this type of thing is going on for us right now. We > apply full value postage stamps to a mailing that we do every couple > of weeks. We use the rolls of 10,000 self adhesive stamps for this. We > still have not been able to do this since the rate increase because > there are no rolls of the new 41 cent stamps available yet. You would > have thought the PO had a heads up on the rate increase and would have > had these on hand. We have mailed twice now by metering the mail and > our client has been understanding but the third mailing is staring at > us and I dread giving the client a call again to tell them we still > don't have the stamps. Their patience seems to be wearing thin and > frankly I don't blame them. > > -- > Dennis Trump > Trump Printing & Direct Mail Communications > Decatur IL > www.trumpdirect.com > trump@trumpdirect.com > 217.429.9001 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From james at dsaprint.com Wed Jun 20 06:39:04 2007 From: james at dsaprint.com (Jim Sullivan) Date: Wed Jun 20 06:38:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Business card slitter Message-ID: <20070620103821.63F978F8A33@rb.enter.net> Has any one used a Itox auto cutter ct335 business card slitter. I just demo one wanted to know if any has one. Thanks Jim Jim Sullivan DSA Printing Inc 18 Alpha Rd Chelmsford MA,01824 Phone 978-256-3900 Fax 978-256-9006 Your Success is Our Success www.dsaprint.com From john at foxprinting.biz Wed Jun 20 08:50:00 2007 From: john at foxprinting.biz (john@foxprinting.biz) Date: Wed Jun 20 08:54:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon 7095 In-Reply-To: <6f85218f0706191759g17f6807k1a893a16b237ffca@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f85218f0706191759g17f6807k1a893a16b237ffca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1c602c8c9df3c0d57abbaab8a7c2e20b@foxprinting.biz> We were looking at the same 2 machines. Xerox said the only real difference between the 4110 and the 4595 is where the control station is placed. But it was pointed out to us by Larry Hunt that the Xerox web site rates the 4595 as an 70 to 150,000 per month machine, while rating the 4110 as 80 to 350,000/month. So there must be other important differences. We were about to order the 7095 to replace our IR105 but Xerox came in with such a good proposal on the 4110 that we ordered that instead. We do think it has superior halftone capability and a few other features we prefered over the 7095. And Xerox came up with all kinds of tricks from their sales kit to bring the price to a place that is very close to what we were looking at for the 7095. If they had not done all that, I think we would have been very satisfied with the 7095. John John Schroeder Fox Printing 802-658-9196 john@foxprinting.biz On Jun 19, 2007, at 8:59 PM, Danny Ross wrote: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Looking at 7095 from Canon vs Xerox 4595. Not as familiar with Canon. Any real negatives on 7095? -- Danny Ross Minuteman Press Anderson, SC 864-224-9115 dross@minutemanpress.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From John at mpcny.com Wed Jun 20 09:02:55 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Wed Jun 20 09:02:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scary and maybe not legal Message-ID: <000001c7b33b$51b88cc0$f529a640$@com> Vista Print is into mailing now. My reading is they are in violation of USPS rules, co mingling mail. http://www.ondemandjournal.com/specialfeatures/ward86.cfm John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for First, Second and Standard Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/854 - Release Date: 6/19/2007 1:12 PM From dennis.trump at gmail.com Wed Jun 20 09:04:00 2007 From: dennis.trump at gmail.com (Dennis Trump) Date: Wed Jun 20 09:04:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing Problem In-Reply-To: References: <003201c7b28f$a6915bc0$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> <41aa6a080706191050j770e1e35i96c6c1d3a1c3c3de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41aa6a080706200604g3ba0a92cod2594323a2e3ecca@mail.gmail.com> > I just had the same problem with stamps, as you know! (I usually get Dennis > to get me a roll or two when I need them!) > > Anyway, check here: > > http://shop.usps.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductCategoryDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10152&categoryId=11831 > > You'll see that there are coils available in the 10K units you need. Yes and I ordered them that way once. What a hassle. They charged my credit card and a week and a half later I finally got the damn stamps. All they could tell me was that they had shipped but couldn't find them otherwise. Remember this is the PO we're dealing with here. -- Dennis Trump Trump Printing & Direct Mail Communications Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 From dennis.trump at gmail.com Wed Jun 20 09:07:17 2007 From: dennis.trump at gmail.com (Dennis Trump) Date: Wed Jun 20 09:07:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scary and maybe not legal In-Reply-To: <000001c7b33b$51b88cc0$f529a640$@com> References: <000001c7b33b$51b88cc0$f529a640$@com> Message-ID: <41aa6a080706200607gad45582r85b6e98022310cd8@mail.gmail.com> > Vista Print is into mailing now. My reading is they are in violation of USPS > rules, co mingling mail. Who told you you couldn't comingle mail? -- Dennis Trump Trump Printing & Direct Mail Communications Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 From craig at newhavenprint.com Wed Jun 20 09:20:31 2007 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Wed Jun 20 09:20:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon 7095 In-Reply-To: <1c602c8c9df3c0d57abbaab8a7c2e20b@foxprinting.biz> Message-ID: <20070620132042.413A78F9743@rb.enter.net> > Looking at 7095 from Canon vs Xerox 4595. Not as familiar with Canon. > Any real negatives on 7095? > Danny Ross > Minuteman Press We put in a 7105 in November to replace an aging ir8500. It's been a really good machine. We're running about 250 to 300k per month on that machine and have had very few service issues. Quality maintains nicely and it rarely jams. I'm sure the Xerox would be a good machine also. It really depends on the quality of service you have with either vendor, and whether you need to play one against the other. We have Xerox color equipment and Canon black and white. I think that helps keep both vendors from getting complacent. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From mike at arborprinting.com Wed Jun 20 09:25:46 2007 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Wed Jun 20 09:26:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scary and maybe not legal References: <000001c7b33b$51b88cc0$f529a640$@com> Message-ID: <002d01c7b33e$8327db00$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Would the 10 emails I get a week from VistaPrint be considered spam? They must sent millions. I have a spam filter that blocks, but somehow they still get through. How do they get away with it? Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. www.arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Henry" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 8:02 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Scary and maybe not legal > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Vista Print is into mailing now. My reading is they are in violation of > USPS > rules, co mingling mail. > > http://www.ondemandjournal.com/specialfeatures/ward86.cfm > > John M. Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company > 125-129 East First Street > Oswego, New York 13126 > (315) 343-3531 > (315) 343-3577 Fax > www.mpcny.com > John@mpcny.com > We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider > Microsoft Publisher Service Provider > We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for First, Second and > Standard > Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to > mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!! > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/854 - Release Date: 6/19/2007 > 1:12 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From priorityprinting at comcast.net Wed Jun 20 09:34:58 2007 From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net) Date: Wed Jun 20 09:35:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing Problem Message-ID: <062020071334.18175.46792D0200056479000046FF22028887440902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> If you need to use stamps then purchase the new forever stamp which you can purchase for .41 cents. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Dennis Trump" > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > AccuZip saved the day, and the fault lied with the Post Office. Without > > AccuZip, our clients would have been paying additional postage indefinitely. > > Unfortunately this happens more frequently than one might imagine. The > software vendors are usually on top of these things and go to great > lengths to protect their software and in turn you the mailer. The PO > is notorious for implementing rulings and procedures that they hold > the commercial mailer to but then do not train or implement this in > their own system in a timely manner and this holds particularly true > the farther down the line you get into the PO system. > > A good example of this type of thing is going on for us right now. We > apply full value postage stamps to a mailing that we do every couple > of weeks. We use the rolls of 10,000 self adhesive stamps for this. We > still have not been able to do this since the rate increase because > there are no rolls of the new 41 cent stamps available yet. You would > have thought the PO had a heads up on the rate increase and would have > had these on hand. We have mailed twice now by metering the mail and > our client has been understanding but the third mailing is staring at > us and I dread giving the client a call again to tell them we still > don't have the stamps. Their patience seems to be wearing thin and > frankly I don't blame them. > > -- > Dennis Trump > Trump Printing & Direct Mail Communications > Decatur IL > www.trumpdirect.com > trump@trumpdirect.com > 217.429.9001 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From thom at acepm.com Wed Jun 20 09:47:10 2007 From: thom at acepm.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Wed Jun 20 09:47:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scary and maybe not legal In-Reply-To: <000001c7b33b$51b88cc0$f529a640$@com> References: <000001c7b33b$51b88cc0$f529a640$@com> Message-ID: <00ee01c7b341$831201b0$89360510$@com> Actually, that's not correct. If you check it out, they are comingling postcards. No problems. HOWEVER, check out their prices. There is no break there........none at all. Kind of pricey if you ask me. SPMG Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing 10 South Main Street Berlin, Maryland? 21811-1427 410-641-3636 / FAX 410-641-1167 Web Page: www.ACEPM.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider and a Microsoft Publisher Service Provider. We offer mailing services for First, Second and Standard class mailings. We handle everything from concept...to printing...to mailing! Ask us how we can SAVE YOU MONEY!!! -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 9:03 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Scary and maybe not legal Importance: High ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Vista Print is into mailing now. My reading is they are in violation of USPS rules, co mingling mail. http://www.ondemandjournal.com/specialfeatures/ward86.cfm John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for First, Second and Standard Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/854 - Release Date: 6/19/2007 1:12 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From thom at acepm.com Wed Jun 20 09:48:57 2007 From: thom at acepm.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Wed Jun 20 09:49:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing Problem In-Reply-To: <41aa6a080706200604g3ba0a92cod2594323a2e3ecca@mail.gmail.com> References: <003201c7b28f$a6915bc0$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> <41aa6a080706191050j770e1e35i96c6c1d3a1c3c3de@mail.gmail.com> <41aa6a080706200604g3ba0a92cod2594323a2e3ecca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00ef01c7b341$c01ed240$405c76c0$@com> "They had shipped and couldn't find the damn things........" HA!! This is what they call service? You would *THINK* that for $4,100.00 they would put their own insurance on them.... guess not!!! They can't even trace the damn things. Dennis, I'm not certain just where it is that they ship from. Well, thought it might help.... :) :) :) Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing 10 South Main Street Berlin, Maryland? 21811-1427 410-641-3636 / FAX 410-641-1167 Web Page: www.ACEPM.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Trump Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 9:04 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Mailing Problem ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > I just had the same problem with stamps, as you know! (I usually get Dennis > to get me a roll or two when I need them!) > > Anyway, check here: > > http://shop.usps.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductCategoryDisplay?langId =-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10152&categoryId=11831 > > You'll see that there are coils available in the 10K units you need. Yes and I ordered them that way once. What a hassle. They charged my credit card and a week and a half later I finally got the damn stamps. All they could tell me was that they had shipped but couldn't find them otherwise. Remember this is the PO we're dealing with here. -- Dennis Trump Trump Printing & Direct Mail Communications Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From thom at acepm.com Wed Jun 20 09:51:16 2007 From: thom at acepm.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Wed Jun 20 09:51:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Mailing Problem In-Reply-To: <062020071334.18175.46792D0200056479000046FF22028887440902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> References: <062020071334.18175.46792D0200056479000046FF22028887440902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00f001c7b342$1299a0e0$37cce2a0$@com> That won't work for the folks like us buying in bulk coils of 10,000 stamps at a time. They don't make them. :( However, the *forever* stamp has been proven to be a gimmick for the unsuspecting buyer anyway. :) Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing 10 South Main Street Berlin, Maryland? 21811-1427 410-641-3636 / FAX 410-641-1167 Web Page: www.ACEPM.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider and a Microsoft Publisher Service Provider. We offer mailing services for First, Second and Standard class mailings. We handle everything from concept...to printing...to mailing! Ask us how we can SAVE YOU MONEY!!! -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of priorityprinting@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 9:35 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only; Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Mailing Problem ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** If you need to use stamps then purchase the new forever stamp which you can purchase for .41 cents. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Dennis Trump" > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > AccuZip saved the day, and the fault lied with the Post Office. Without > > AccuZip, our clients would have been paying additional postage indefinitely. > > Unfortunately this happens more frequently than one might imagine. The > software vendors are usually on top of these things and go to great > lengths to protect their software and in turn you the mailer. The PO > is notorious for implementing rulings and procedures that they hold > the commercial mailer to but then do not train or implement this in > their own system in a timely manner and this holds particularly true > the farther down the line you get into the PO system. > > A good example of this type of thing is going on for us right now. We > apply full value postage stamps to a mailing that we do every couple > of weeks. We use the rolls of 10,000 self adhesive stamps for this. We > still have not been able to do this since the rate increase because > there are no rolls of the new 41 cent stamps available yet. You would > have thought the PO had a heads up on the rate increase and would have > had these on hand. We have mailed twice now by metering the mail and > our client has been understanding but the third mailing is staring at > us and I dread giving the client a call again to tell them we still > don't have the stamps. Their patience seems to be wearing thin and > frankly I don't blame them. > > -- > Dennis Trump > Trump Printing & Direct Mail Communications > Decatur IL > www.trumpdirect.com > trump@trumpdirect.com > 217.429.9001 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mail at myprinter.biz Wed Jun 20 10:02:07 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Wed Jun 20 10:02:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon 7095 In-Reply-To: <6f85218f0706191759g17f6807k1a893a16b237ffca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Danny - I caution everybody except my most-hated competitors about doing business with Canon. If you want to know why, you're welcome to contact me privately. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Danny Ross Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 9:00 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon 7095 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Looking at 7095 from Canon vs Xerox 4595. Not as familiar with Canon. Any real negatives on 7095? -- Danny Ross Minuteman Press Anderson, SC 864-224-9115 dross@minutemanpress.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mike at arborprinting.com Wed Jun 20 10:20:49 2007 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Wed Jun 20 10:21:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon 7095 References: Message-ID: <006101c7b346$3468bb30$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> We have had Canon machines for about 9 years, and are extremely satisfied with their products and service. Don't confuse the two. Canon makes good boxes. The servicing organization can make or break the whole relationship. We have a 7095 and we love it. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. www.arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 9:02 AM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Canon 7095 > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Danny - > > I caution everybody except my most-hated competitors about doing business > with Canon. > > If you want to know why, you're welcome to contact me privately. > > Dan > Sir Speedy Printing Center > 5845 Hollywood Boulevard > Hollywood, FL 33021 > t 954.962.1309 > f 954-962-1366 > dan@myprinter.biz > www.myprinter.biz > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Danny Ross > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 9:00 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon 7095 > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Looking at 7095 from Canon vs Xerox 4595. Not as familiar with Canon. > Any real negatives on 7095? > > -- > Danny Ross > Minuteman Press > Anderson, SC > 864-224-9115 > dross@minutemanpress.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From k_graham at hotmail.com Wed Jun 20 10:29:10 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Wed Jun 20 10:29:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon 7095 References: Message-ID: > Danny - > > I caution everybody except my most-hated competitors about doing business > with Canon. > > If you want to know why, you're welcome to contact me privately. > > Dan Give us a treat Dan, just paraphrase it with "in my opinion so you are not liable, as it is your opinion". I've had trouble with Canon machines but it was all about service - "lack of it in my opinion" on IR5000 when Ikon left parts of it up to 390% past due for servvice, same with CLC2400 though I didn't have meter readings to prove it - simply dirty filters and dirty internals. I would expect more reasonable service from Canon if they were actually Canon service technicions, I think the manufacturer always has a easier time replacing parts when its factory backed as compared to a dealer that might get stuck with unused parts, which is no doubt why Xerox is superior here as the only factory service. Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika From arvadaprintery at qwest.net Wed Jun 20 10:38:22 2007 From: arvadaprintery at qwest.net (Keith Herron) Date: Wed Jun 20 10:38:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon 7095 In-Reply-To: <6f85218f0706191759g17f6807k1a893a16b237ffca@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f85218f0706191759g17f6807k1a893a16b237ffca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <529e7e423439a93e12a68d6a0f2b495f@qwest.net> Danny, We've had a 7095 since the beginning of January 2007. We still do not have fully functioning print drivers for the Macintosh side. The PC side prints most jobs correctly from the PCL driver to the "mailbox" We prefer to use post script drivers and Command Workstation, but it really lets in some gremlins with the 7095. The post script drivers will print background screens to clipart and customer scanned line art (where the actual scan has a maybe 1%-5% background screen instead of pure white the 7095 prints about a 15%-20% screen). This happens from MS Word and Publisher files submitted by customers. Incidentally, these same files print fine (as intended) from our Canon iR 7200, 3220 and Xerox Doc 12. The Mac post script driver crashes applications if we try to use the "Presets" feature. This happens in OS X 10.3.9 and 10.4.9 on Power PC Macs. (We don't have an Intel Mac to test this with.) This feature also works correctly on all our other printers. Using the "Drop Shadow" feature of Adobe InDesign CS and CS2 does not produce the expected results when using the post script drivers. Currently, we are saving most Mac documents to pdf, routing them through a PC to print with the PCL driver to get desired results. This is TOO MANY STEPS! (imho ;-) As others have reported, the image quality and time between service calls is good. Feel free to call or e with further questions or concerns. Keith Herron The Printery, Inc. Arvada, Colorado 303-422-5033 On Jun 19, 2007, at 6:59 PM, Danny Ross wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Looking at 7095 from Canon vs Xerox 4595. Not as familiar with Canon. > Any real negatives on 7095? > > -- > Danny Ross > Minuteman Press > Anderson, SC > 864-224-9115 > dross@minutemanpress.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From pressexpress at bfm.org Wed Jun 20 10:41:19 2007 From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Wed Jun 20 10:41:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scary and maybe not legal In-Reply-To: <000001c7b33b$51b88cc0$f529a640$@com> References: <000001c7b33b$51b88cc0$f529a640$@com> Message-ID: I think the loop hole here is if the card fits the same criteria, they can "gang run" the mailer with others. Same full color graphic, same size, weight. However, the problem I see here is the return address would be different on each of the participants of the gang run. This would definitely be in violation of USPS. I know my local post office wouldn't let me get away with it. G On Jun 20, 2007, at 8:02 AM, John Henry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Vista Print is into mailing now. My reading is they are in > violation of USPS > rules, co mingling mail. > > http://www.ondemandjournal.com/specialfeatures/ward86.cfm > > John M. Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company > 125-129 East First Street > Oswego, New York 13126 > (315) 343-3531 > (315) 343-3577 Fax > www.mpcny.com > John@mpcny.com > We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider > Microsoft Publisher Service Provider > We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for First, > Second and > Standard > Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to > mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!! > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/854 - Release Date: > 6/19/2007 > 1:12 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpurvine1 at cox.net Wed Jun 20 10:50:27 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Wed Jun 20 10:50:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scary and maybe not legal In-Reply-To: References: <000001c7b33b$51b88cc0$f529a640$@com> Message-ID: <005301c7b34a$57683f30$0300a8c0@corapurvine> Maybe they aren't going to put a return address on each card. The customer may already have their name, address and info in the body of the postcard. JAT. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Wed Jun 20 10:50:20 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Wed Jun 20 10:52:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scary and maybe not legal In-Reply-To: <20070620134739.F25948F9AEC@rb.enter.net> References: <20070620134739.F25948F9AEC@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <262fdfbe2a5f639f82a32b86b6686392@sheergraphics.com> Where on Vista Print's website is the webpage displayed by the link below? What is the exact webpage address on Vista Print's site? Either I'm blind or they have hidden it well! P.S. The Domestic Mail Manual contains the rules, not the heads/brains of individual bulk mail clerks. > Vista Print is into mailing now. My reading is they are in violation > of USPS > rules, co mingling mail. > > http://www.ondemandjournal.com/specialfeatures/ward86.cfm Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From John at mpcny.com Wed Jun 20 10:54:08 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Wed Jun 20 10:53:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Barry RPI and top 100 Message-ID: <001701c7b34a$db19c740$914d55c0$@com> Just reading QP mag and saw that old Barry has sold RPI. "RPI, which was #14 with sales of $10.6 million, dropped out at the request of owner Barry Reischling who explained that the company was sold last September and has ?effectively discontinued all commercial printing operations.? I guess congratulations are in order to Barry for his sale and many others here on the list that made the cut. A neat fact to me is that if you have sales of $7 million and above you would make the Printers Impressions 400 largest printers in the USA and that 24 of the QP list make that list. So although we face major competition and claims of 30,000 printers, only 500 printers (who report sales) in the USA have sales above $2.5 million John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for First, Second and Standard Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/854 - Release Date: 6/19/2007 1:12 PM From mail at myprinter.biz Wed Jun 20 11:22:47 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Wed Jun 20 11:22:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon 7095 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ken - Your post confuses me, though that's not an unusual state of affairs. I have no idea what "in my opinion so you are not liable, as it is your opinion" means. About the only time I can imagine using a qualifier in this context would be when I'm giving somebody else's opinion. It's my tendency to give my own opinion when I give my opinion. While I might be misinterpreting you, you appear to be making comments about my reasons for my "caution[ing] everybody except my most-hated competitors about doing business with Canon" without inquiring about why that's so, which is perfectly within your rights to do - do I really need to add, "in my opinion?" I've got my reasons, and they have nothing to do with "local" anything. I don't want to bore anybody that doesn't want to know or knows already, and that's the only reason I've offered info "off list" - requiring very little effort on anybody's part to decline. I'm delighted for all of you that have had great luck with Canon. I hope that others of you that believe that they have good reason not to do business with certain manufacturers or vendors let me know. It's exactly that type of activity yesterday that allowed several of us to share "beware" stories with each other on certain leasing companies, and that encouraged Michael Vogel to suggest what appears to be an exceptionally good alternative. Of course, all of that's just in my... Oh, never mind. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of k_graham@hotmail.com Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 10:29 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Canon 7095 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > Danny - > > I caution everybody except my most-hated competitors about doing business > with Canon. > > If you want to know why, you're welcome to contact me privately. > > Dan Give us a treat Dan, just paraphrase it with "in my opinion so you are not liable, as it is your opinion". I've had trouble with Canon machines but it was all about service - "lack of it in my opinion" on IR5000 when Ikon left parts of it up to 390% past due for servvice, same with CLC2400 though I didn't have meter readings to prove it - simply dirty filters and dirty internals. I would expect more reasonable service from Canon if they were actually Canon service technicions, I think the manufacturer always has a easier time replacing parts when its factory backed as compared to a dealer that might get stuck with unused parts, which is no doubt why Xerox is superior here as the only factory service. Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mail at myprinter.biz Wed Jun 20 11:34:02 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Wed Jun 20 11:33:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon 7095 In-Reply-To: <006101c7b346$3468bb30$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: Michael - Our issue with Canon has nothing to do with "local" anything, and I'm delighted for you that you've had good luck with them. Canon makes good boxes, but they also make bad ones, and how a maunfacturer responds at the national level when the latter occurs would certainly be of interest to me as I weighed that company against another as a potential vendor. I think that both your experience and ours are germane. Maybe we should let those that ask for opinions about different boxes from different manufacturers decide for themselves whether and how to consider information offered by others. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Mike@arborprinting.com Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 10:21 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Canon 7095 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have had Canon machines for about 9 years, and are extremely satisfied with their products and service. Don't confuse the two. Canon makes good boxes. The servicing organization can make or break the whole relationship. We have a 7095 and we love it. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. www.arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 9:02 AM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Canon 7095 > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Danny - > > I caution everybody except my most-hated competitors about doing business > with Canon. > > If you want to know why, you're welcome to contact me privately. > > Dan > Sir Speedy Printing Center > 5845 Hollywood Boulevard > Hollywood, FL 33021 > t 954.962.1309 > f 954-962-1366 > dan@myprinter.biz > www.myprinter.biz > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Danny Ross > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 9:00 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon 7095 > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Looking at 7095 from Canon vs Xerox 4595. Not as familiar with Canon. > Any real negatives on 7095? > > -- > Danny Ross > Minuteman Press > Anderson, SC > 864-224-9115 > dross@minutemanpress.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mail at myprinter.biz Wed Jun 20 11:44:25 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Wed Jun 20 11:44:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 In-Reply-To: <001701c7b34a$db19c740$914d55c0$@com> Message-ID: John - I notice that you advertise your firm as an Adobe Authorized Service Provider. Do you think that the marketing pluses (whatever they might be) of doing that outweigh the minuses (whatever they might be) of advertising a company that's decided to become Kinko's uncle and offer your customers and prospects an easy way to direct business away from you? Yes, I'm pissed - just like I'd expect my customers to be if I did something like that to them. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of John Henry Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 10:54 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Barry RPI and top 100 Importance: High ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Just reading QP mag and saw that old Barry has sold RPI. "RPI, which was #14 with sales of $10.6 million, dropped out at the request of owner Barry Reischling who explained that the company was sold last September and has ?effectively discontinued all commercial printing operations.? I guess congratulations are in order to Barry for his sale and many others here on the list that made the cut. A neat fact to me is that if you have sales of $7 million and above you would make the Printers Impressions 400 largest printers in the USA and that 24 of the QP list make that list. So although we face major competition and claims of 30,000 printers, only 500 printers (who report sales) in the USA have sales above $2.5 million John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for First, Second and Standard Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/854 - Release Date: 6/19/2007 1:12 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ron at printingconcepts.com Wed Jun 20 11:57:40 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Wed Jun 20 11:52:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source for Printed Cups -hot-hot Message-ID: Anyone have a source for cups? Actually, they are not for hot drinks, just the quote is hot. 16 oz plastic stadium cups, white or clear printed in 4c process qtys from 1m to 10m need quick turnaround - customer needs them 7-3 Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "To each there comes in their lifetime a special moment when they are figuratively tapped on the shoulder and offered the chance to do a very special thing, unique to them and fitted to their talents. What a tragedy if that moment finds them unprepared or unqualified for that which could have been their finest hour." --Winston Churchill "When a nation has allowed itself to fall under a tyrannical regime, it cannot be absolved from the faults due to the guilt of the regime." --Winston Churchill Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed Jun 20 11:57:27 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed Jun 20 11:58:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 In-Reply-To: References: <001701c7b34a$db19c740$914d55c0$@com> Message-ID: <200706201558.l5KFw8Gm082019@i2bnetworks.com> Not speaking for John, but speaking for myself here, you are so off the mark with that comment that your myopia is astounding. Partnering with Adobe is one of the most if the most powerful marketing weapon in Sorrento Mesa's arsenal. Your comments floor me. S. At 08:44 AM 6/20/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >John - > >I notice that you advertise your firm as an Adobe Authorized Service >Provider. > >Do you think that the marketing pluses (whatever they might be) of doing >that outweigh the minuses (whatever they might be) of advertising a company >that's decided to become Kinko's uncle and offer your customers and >prospects an easy way to direct business away from you? > >Yes, I'm pissed - just like I'd expect my customers to be if I did something >like that to them. > >Dan >Sir Speedy Printing Center >5845 Hollywood Boulevard >Hollywood, FL 33021 >t 954.962.1309 >f 954-962-1366 >dan@myprinter.biz >www.myprinter.biz > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of John Henry >Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 10:54 AM >To: printowners@printweb.org >Subject: [PrintOwners] Barry RPI and top 100 >Importance: High > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >Just reading QP mag and saw that old Barry has sold RPI. > >"RPI, which was #14 with sales of $10.6 million, dropped out at the request >of owner Barry Reischling who explained that the company was sold last >September and has "effectively discontinued all commercial printing >operations." > >I guess congratulations are in order to Barry for his sale and many others >here on the list that made the cut. > > >A neat fact to me is that if you have sales of $7 million and above you >would make the Printers Impressions 400 largest printers in the USA and that >24 of the QP list make that list. > >So although we face major competition and claims of 30,000 printers, only >500 printers (who report sales) in the USA have sales above $2.5 million > > >John M. Henry >Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company >125-129 East First Street >Oswego, New York 13126 >(315) 343-3531 >(315) 343-3577 Fax >www.mpcny.com >John@mpcny.com >We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider >Microsoft Publisher Service Provider > We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for First, Second and >Standard >Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to >mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!! > > > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/854 - Release Date: 6/19/2007 >1:12 PM > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2341 (20070620) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From robin at protypeonline.com Wed Jun 20 12:06:36 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed Jun 20 12:05:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Canon 7095 Message-ID: <5D0E969D-EAFD-4668-986D-B5AA755CA84C@protypeonline.com> I will agree with Craig -- look at the best and most reliable service first. I just purchased a 7095 as our Canon iR105 has 12 million copies and a very low end rip that we can no longer tolerate for some of our larger jobs BUT we do love the 105 and it has been great for us in terms of reliability, quality and our service -- our b/w copiers are Canon Imagerunners....550, 105 and soon a 7095. Also just purchased an Ikon CPP650 color machine -- IKON gives us great service and they also service our Canons. Went with Canon on b/w instead of Xerox because a: service and b: click charges were lower on the Canon and NO monthly fee and NO minimums.... all machines have pros and cons -- look at service first, then I suppose I would look at click charges and other maintenance fees and the cost based on monthly volumes.... even at 0.0039/click those clicks can sure add up to a chunk of change! Good Luck Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Jun 20 12:14:40 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 20 12:14:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 Message-ID: In a message dated 6/20/2007 11:59:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, smc@sorrentomesa.com writes: Not speaking for John, but speaking for myself here, you are so off the mark with that comment that your myopia is astounding. Partnering with Adobe is one of the most if the most powerful marketing weapon in Sorrento Mesa's arsenal. Your comments floor me. Scott, I'm a bit floored myself about the above reaction. I think it was reasonable question from a firm that I suspect is every bit as large (if not larger) and profitable as your own. I certainly have consulted with $2-3 million dollar firms that are very profitable and choose for a variety of reasons not to advertise themselves as being a partner with Adobe. There is no single partner, device, or marketing approach out there (i.e. one size fits all) to my knowledge that it's lack of use or implementation would result in classifying a person as myopic. I really think you went a bit overboard with these comments. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From John at mpcny.com Wed Jun 20 12:15:18 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Wed Jun 20 12:16:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 (Scott Cappel) In-Reply-To: <20070620155820.9721E8FA79D@rb.enter.net> References: <20070620155820.9721E8FA79D@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <002901c7b356$324cecd0$96e6c670$@com> I agree with S. all but the "myopia" stuff I do not agree with any words I do not know the meaning of... Dan I dislike the Kinko's/adobe link. I do know my partnering and promoting in fact has resulted in gravitas in my market. There are few "names" that can bring instant recognition and mostly positive response, Adobe is one of them for us. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/854 - Release Date: 6/19/2007 1:12 PM From Nancy at printingresources.com Wed Jun 20 12:33:28 2007 From: Nancy at printingresources.com (Nancy Dediemar) Date: Wed Jun 20 12:23:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Postage Meters? Message-ID: Rob, The lease charge for a postage meter is a function of how much postage you use -- at $1500 per year, I'll guess you are paying about $145 per quarter for your meter lease. If so, the cost of the meter rental is about $580 per year, or about 39% of the cost of postage. You will pay a service charge to use either an online postage system or one that uses a small printer to print the "stamps". (The USPS calls this "e-stamps" or "information-based indicia" (IBI)). Depending on the service you use, the service charge will be around 10% of the cost of the postage, and some services set a monthly maximum service charge of $20-$25. That compares to the 39% you're paying for your meter. There are two primary IBI vendors; each offers a slightly different way of setup, replenishing your postage account, and printing the postage. You'll need to do a little research to see which works best for your circumstance. Go to www.postageanywhere.com for more information. The vendors are: Stamps.com (www.stamps.com) Pitney Bowes (www.pitneyworks.com) Nancy DeDiemar Printing Resources of Southern California 893 W 9th St, Upland, CA 91786 909/981-5715 phone 909/981-9396 FAX http://www.printingresources.com mailto:nancy@printingresources.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Rob Meier Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:52 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Postage Meters? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I've been using a postage meter for years for small packages and am wondering if I'm throwing money down the drain by renting the meter. I really only run about $1500 a year through it - I use stamps for letters. Are there internet based options that bypass the meter? Thanks, Rob Meier -- _____________________________ Insty-Prints 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-1959 phone (800) 258-8122 toll free (715) 835-7078 fax goinsty@goinsty.com _____________________________ Star Marking - Rubber Stamps 2425 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-4001 phone (800) 634-4002 toll free (715) 835-7078 fax stamps@starmarking.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bob at rjmprinting.com Wed Jun 20 12:25:46 2007 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Wed Jun 20 12:25:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 In-Reply-To: <200706201558.l5KFw8Gm082019@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: I don't understand why people are concerned about this. Find customers willing to pay your prices and service the heck out of them, it's easier. Worry about the things within your control, anything else is just a distraction. My biggest worry is that someday Scott will decide to move to Minnesota, which I think is as likely as hell freezing over. So I'm safe for now. Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 10:57 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Not speaking for John, but speaking for myself here, you are so off the mark with that comment that your myopia is astounding. Partnering with Adobe is one of the most if the most powerful marketing weapon in Sorrento Mesa's arsenal. Your comments floor me. S. At 08:44 AM 6/20/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >John - > >I notice that you advertise your firm as an Adobe Authorized Service >Provider. > >Do you think that the marketing pluses (whatever they might be) of doing >that outweigh the minuses (whatever they might be) of advertising a company >that's decided to become Kinko's uncle and offer your customers and >prospects an easy way to direct business away from you? > >Yes, I'm pissed - just like I'd expect my customers to be if I did something >like that to them. > >Dan >Sir Speedy Printing Center >5845 Hollywood Boulevard >Hollywood, FL 33021 >t 954.962.1309 >f 954-962-1366 >dan@myprinter.biz >www.myprinter.biz > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of John Henry >Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 10:54 AM >To: printowners@printweb.org >Subject: [PrintOwners] Barry RPI and top 100 >Importance: High > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >Just reading QP mag and saw that old Barry has sold RPI. > >"RPI, which was #14 with sales of $10.6 million, dropped out at the request >of owner Barry Reischling who explained that the company was sold last >September and has "effectively discontinued all commercial printing >operations." > >I guess congratulations are in order to Barry for his sale and many others >here on the list that made the cut. > > >A neat fact to me is that if you have sales of $7 million and above you >would make the Printers Impressions 400 largest printers in the USA and that >24 of the QP list make that list. > >So although we face major competition and claims of 30,000 printers, only >500 printers (who report sales) in the USA have sales above $2.5 million > > >John M. Henry >Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company >125-129 East First Street >Oswego, New York 13126 >(315) 343-3531 >(315) 343-3577 Fax >www.mpcny.com >John@mpcny.com >We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider >Microsoft Publisher Service Provider > We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for First, Second and >Standard >Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to >mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!! > > > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/854 - Release Date: 6/19/2007 >1:12 PM > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2341 (20070620) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From rstor at copycats.com Wed Jun 20 12:25:50 2007 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Wed Jun 20 12:28:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] FedEx/Kinkos In-Reply-To: <002901c7b356$324cecd0$96e6c670$@com> References: <20070620155820.9721E8FA79D@rb.enter.net> <002901c7b356$324cecd0$96e6c670$@com> Message-ID: <4679550E.3050606@copycats.com> FedEx 10q out today. Kinkos sales down 2% q/q and y/y, DESPITE increased shipping revenue transfers. I'm not sure this is cause to be happy (competitor losing sales) or to be unhappy (industry bellweather showing weakness.) Nevertheless, the fact remains that they've added ~20% locations and sales stink. Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com From mail at myprinter.biz Wed Jun 20 12:30:31 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Wed Jun 20 12:30:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 In-Reply-To: <200706201558.l5KFw8Gm082019@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: Scott - My comments were in the form of a question, and you'll have to pardon my ignorance (or not), because I don't know everything and find that I can occasionally learn from others by asking questions, even if I have to risk them being viewed as "dumb" ones. While your opinion counts just like everybody else's, your market doesn't necessarily describe everybody else's, and I'm thinking that your comment about my myopia would be more cogent if you knew my market - and everybody else's - as well as you know your own, and I'll even grant that you know your market perfectly and that what you're suggesting is true for everybody is true for you. A definitive, meaningful answer to the question of how much business a printer gets by advertising itself as an Adobe Service Provider that the printer wouldn't get otherwise would take a longitudinal study that would be impossible pull off because of the problems with the independent (i.e., controlled) variables. Properly controlled variables for a study like that would require finding two printers that were virtually identical in every respect, have each operate in the same market in the same time span and do essentially identical marketing and have essentially identical sales efforts. The only difference would be that one would advertise itself as an Adobe Service Provider and the other wouldn't. (Even if this were possible, which it's not, how the the degree/amount/nature of advertising and marketing as an Adobe Service Provider might affect sales wouldn't be answered. That would require additional studies that would be impossible to pull off.) Since the above study is simply never going to happen, because it can't, I believe that the question I posed is one for legitimate inquiry and discussion by those that haven't already made up their minds, though you're welcome to disagree. As to my comments flooring you, I'm thinking that maybe it was the kryptonite that did it. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 11:57 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Not speaking for John, but speaking for myself here, you are so off the mark with that comment that your myopia is astounding. Partnering with Adobe is one of the most if the most powerful marketing weapon in Sorrento Mesa's arsenal. Your comments floor me. S. At 08:44 AM 6/20/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >John - > >I notice that you advertise your firm as an Adobe Authorized Service >Provider. > >Do you think that the marketing pluses (whatever they might be) of doing >that outweigh the minuses (whatever they might be) of advertising a company >that's decided to become Kinko's uncle and offer your customers and >prospects an easy way to direct business away from you? > >Yes, I'm pissed - just like I'd expect my customers to be if I did something >like that to them. > >Dan >Sir Speedy Printing Center >5845 Hollywood Boulevard >Hollywood, FL 33021 >t 954.962.1309 >f 954-962-1366 >dan@myprinter.biz >www.myprinter.biz > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of John Henry >Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 10:54 AM >To: printowners@printweb.org >Subject: [PrintOwners] Barry RPI and top 100 >Importance: High > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >Just reading QP mag and saw that old Barry has sold RPI. > >"RPI, which was #14 with sales of $10.6 million, dropped out at the request >of owner Barry Reischling who explained that the company was sold last >September and has "effectively discontinued all commercial printing >operations." > >I guess congratulations are in order to Barry for his sale and many others >here on the list that made the cut. > > >A neat fact to me is that if you have sales of $7 million and above you >would make the Printers Impressions 400 largest printers in the USA and that >24 of the QP list make that list. > >So although we face major competition and claims of 30,000 printers, only >500 printers (who report sales) in the USA have sales above $2.5 million > > >John M. Henry >Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company >125-129 East First Street >Oswego, New York 13126 >(315) 343-3531 >(315) 343-3577 Fax >www.mpcny.com >John@mpcny.com >We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider >Microsoft Publisher Service Provider > We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for First, Second and >Standard >Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to >mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!! > > > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/854 - Release Date: 6/19/2007 >1:12 PM > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2341 (20070620) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed Jun 20 12:36:01 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed Jun 20 12:36:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200706201636.l5KGagQM089192@i2bnetworks.com> I did not say that co-marketing with Adobe was the only weapon at Sorrento Mesa's disposal, we have many more that would floor even you at their effectiveness. I said it was one of the most important and one of the more powerful. I have partnered with Kinko's (not any more since we now do what they do in house...and lately they seem to be our best source of new clients), I partner with Fed-EX, I partner with UPS (ooooooo I'm shakin' in my flip flops that the UPS store is going to take my business), I partner with whomever I have to partner with to serve the needs of my clients. You cannot fret and wring your hands about all of the of the policies and alliances of all your partners, they have shareholders to answer to as well. But it is myopic and short sighted and frankly rather dumb to not partner with someone with Adobe's branding and influence in our space, to not generate confidence, rapport and establish credibility in the corporate marketplace where most all of OUR clients exist. I would postulate that neither Dan nor you John have harnessed the power of cobranding with Adobe so in this area you don't know what you're talking about. Ask someone like myself or Craig who has, and we can give you an informed opinion as to the benefits from actually doing it. S. At 09:14 AM 6/20/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >In a message dated 6/20/2007 11:59:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >smc@sorrentomesa.com writes: > >Not speaking for John, but speaking for myself here, you are so off >the mark with that comment that your myopia is astounding. > >Partnering with Adobe is one of the most if the most powerful >marketing weapon in Sorrento Mesa's arsenal. > >Your comments floor me. > > >Scott, > >I'm a bit floored myself about the above reaction. I think it was reasonable >question from a firm that I suspect is every bit as large (if not larger) >and profitable as your own. I certainly have consulted with $2-3 >million dollar >firms that are very profitable and choose for a variety of reasons not to >advertise themselves as being a partner with Adobe. > >There is no single partner, device, or marketing approach out there (i.e. >one size fits all) to my knowledge that it's lack of use or implementation >would result in classifying a person as myopic. > >I really think you went a bit overboard with these comments. > > > >John Stewart >Q. P. Consulting, Inc. >Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > >by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > >2110 S. Dairy Road >West Melbourne, FL 32904 >321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 >Cell: 321-794-6259 >_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) >"Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > >************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2341 (20070620) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From alewinter at datapalette.com Wed Jun 20 12:42:08 2007 From: alewinter at datapalette.com (Andrew LeWinter) Date: Wed Jun 20 12:39:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 References: Message-ID: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D50154BFA@mail1.datapalette.local> Dan, I understand your ire. But the reality is that Adobe is a major influence in the business. By actively promoting your own Adobe connection, clients and potential clients can see that you can do everything that they think they can get at Kinkos (maybe even better). Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 11:44 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** John - I notice that you advertise your firm as an Adobe Authorized Service Provider. Do you think that the marketing pluses (whatever they might be) of doing that outweigh the minuses (whatever they might be) of advertising a company that's decided to become Kinko's uncle and offer your customers and prospects an easy way to direct business away from you? Yes, I'm pissed - just like I'd expect my customers to be if I did something like that to them. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of John Henry Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 10:54 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Barry RPI and top 100 Importance: High ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Just reading QP mag and saw that old Barry has sold RPI. "RPI, which was #14 with sales of $10.6 million, dropped out at the request of owner Barry Reischling who explained that the company was sold last September and has "effectively discontinued all commercial printing operations." I guess congratulations are in order to Barry for his sale and many others here on the list that made the cut. A neat fact to me is that if you have sales of $7 million and above you would make the Printers Impressions 400 largest printers in the USA and that 24 of the QP list make that list. So although we face major competition and claims of 30,000 printers, only 500 printers (who report sales) in the USA have sales above $2.5 million John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for First, Second and Standard Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/854 - Release Date: 6/19/2007 1:12 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From alewinter at datapalette.com Wed Jun 20 12:43:21 2007 From: alewinter at datapalette.com (Andrew LeWinter) Date: Wed Jun 20 12:40:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 References: Message-ID: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D50154BFB@mail1.datapalette.local> I thought that hell froze over already, and they call it Minnesota. Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bob Molacek Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:26 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I don't understand why people are concerned about this. Find customers willing to pay your prices and service the heck out of them, it's easier. Worry about the things within your control, anything else is just a distraction. My biggest worry is that someday Scott will decide to move to Minnesota, which I think is as likely as hell freezing over. So I'm safe for now. Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 10:57 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Not speaking for John, but speaking for myself here, you are so off the mark with that comment that your myopia is astounding. Partnering with Adobe is one of the most if the most powerful marketing weapon in Sorrento Mesa's arsenal. Your comments floor me. S. At 08:44 AM 6/20/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >John - > >I notice that you advertise your firm as an Adobe Authorized Service >Provider. > >Do you think that the marketing pluses (whatever they might be) of doing >that outweigh the minuses (whatever they might be) of advertising a company >that's decided to become Kinko's uncle and offer your customers and >prospects an easy way to direct business away from you? > >Yes, I'm pissed - just like I'd expect my customers to be if I did something >like that to them. > >Dan >Sir Speedy Printing Center >5845 Hollywood Boulevard >Hollywood, FL 33021 >t 954.962.1309 >f 954-962-1366 >dan@myprinter.biz >www.myprinter.biz > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of John Henry >Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 10:54 AM >To: printowners@printweb.org >Subject: [PrintOwners] Barry RPI and top 100 >Importance: High > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >Just reading QP mag and saw that old Barry has sold RPI. > >"RPI, which was #14 with sales of $10.6 million, dropped out at the request >of owner Barry Reischling who explained that the company was sold last >September and has "effectively discontinued all commercial printing >operations." > >I guess congratulations are in order to Barry for his sale and many others >here on the list that made the cut. > > >A neat fact to me is that if you have sales of $7 million and above you >would make the Printers Impressions 400 largest printers in the USA and that >24 of the QP list make that list. > >So although we face major competition and claims of 30,000 printers, only >500 printers (who report sales) in the USA have sales above $2.5 million > > >John M. Henry >Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company >125-129 East First Street >Oswego, New York 13126 >(315) 343-3531 >(315) 343-3577 Fax >www.mpcny.com >John@mpcny.com >We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider >Microsoft Publisher Service Provider > We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for First, Second and >Standard >Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to >mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!! > > > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/854 - Release Date: 6/19/2007 >1:12 PM > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2341 (20070620) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jedwards at printzilla.net Wed Jun 20 12:48:43 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Wed Jun 20 12:51:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6527AD46-F0A3-4AD3-82D6-5896E71DE32B@printzilla.net> On Jun 20, 2007, at 11:30 AM, wrote: > > > Properly controlled variables for a study like that would require > finding > two printers that were virtually identical in every respect, have each > operate in the same market in the same time span and do essentially > identical marketing and have essentially identical sales efforts. > The only > difference would be that one would advertise itself as an Adobe > Service > Provider and the other wouldn't. (Even if this were possible, > which it's > not, how the the degree/amount/nature of advertising and marketing > as an > Adobe Service Provider might affect sales wouldn't be answered. > That would > require additional studies that would be impossible to pull off.) That would put a crimp on any study! I mean, if you had to do it to scientific standards. How do you partner with Adobe? I put the sticker on the door but I don't know what it really tells people out there on the other side. I've never had any feedback one way or the other. Well, I've had people say, "I've got this file. It's done in Adobe." Maybe they read it on the door. I think were confusing partnering with being "joined at the hip" which may be quite different. Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas From mail at myprinter.biz Wed Jun 20 12:52:41 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Wed Jun 20 12:52:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 (ScottCappel) In-Reply-To: <002901c7b356$324cecd0$96e6c670$@com> Message-ID: John - Thanks for your response. I agree that Adobe is a recognized name and would rather pair our name with something, instead of nothing, but many of our buyers aren't terribly sophisticated computer users. I'm pretty sure that while all of them know that "Acrobat Reader" allows them to open/read PDFs, some of them might not be able to give me the name "Adobe" unless it was one of four options in a multiple-choice test. That doesn't make them defective, just not as experienced as others - and I've not only "been there," I still AM there in almost fields of knowledge. (If you want to truly feel ignorant, try joining me in dabbling in particle physics and cosmology. It's beyond humbling.) Franchise Services recently asked me if we'd like to be one of the beta test sites for a proprietary, web-based PDF driver that they were developing for their Sir Speedy and PIP franchisees. I turned them down, because I know my market well enough to know that while we'll end up using it a little shortly after it's completed - and increasingly more as our clients become more knowledgeable, at least in part through our efforts - others were far better candidates as beta test sites. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of John Henry Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:15 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 (ScottCappel) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I agree with S. all but the "myopia" stuff I do not agree with any words I do not know the meaning of... Dan I dislike the Kinko's/adobe link. I do know my partnering and promoting in fact has resulted in gravitas in my market. There are few "names" that can bring instant recognition and mostly positive response, Adobe is one of them for us. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/854 - Release Date: 6/19/2007 1:12 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From russ at mobile-print.com Wed Jun 20 13:53:35 2007 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Wed Jun 20 12:56:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Source for Printed Cups -hot-hot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4679699F.7080800@mobile-print.com> Tranter Graphics Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847-398-6155 Fax: 847-398-0788 Ron Taggart wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Anyone have a source for cups? Actually, they are not for hot drinks, just > the quote is hot. > > 16 oz plastic stadium cups, white or clear > printed in 4c process > qtys from 1m to 10m > need quick turnaround - customer needs them 7-3 > > > > From mail at myprinter.biz Wed Jun 20 13:03:26 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Wed Jun 20 13:03:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 In-Reply-To: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D50154BFA@mail1.datapalette.local> Message-ID: Andrew - Thanks for your opinion. For myself, I really don't give a rat's patoot whether or not Abode is a major influence in "the business." I'm in this "for the money" and care only about whether or not non-Kinko's print/copy shops advertising the Adobe name is going to benefit Kinko's at my expense. Out of curiousity, what will your attitude be when Fedex/Kinko's begins it's multi-million dollar national TV and newpaper ad campaign telling your customers and prospects about how easy it is to use Adobe to send their printing to Kinko's? Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Andrew LeWinter Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:42 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Dan, I understand your ire. But the reality is that Adobe is a major influence in the business. By actively promoting your own Adobe connection, clients and potential clients can see that you can do everything that they think they can get at Kinkos (maybe even better). Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 11:44 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** John - I notice that you advertise your firm as an Adobe Authorized Service Provider. Do you think that the marketing pluses (whatever they might be) of doing that outweigh the minuses (whatever they might be) of advertising a company that's decided to become Kinko's uncle and offer your customers and prospects an easy way to direct business away from you? Yes, I'm pissed - just like I'd expect my customers to be if I did something like that to them. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of John Henry Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 10:54 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Barry RPI and top 100 Importance: High ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Just reading QP mag and saw that old Barry has sold RPI. "RPI, which was #14 with sales of $10.6 million, dropped out at the request of owner Barry Reischling who explained that the company was sold last September and has "effectively discontinued all commercial printing operations." I guess congratulations are in order to Barry for his sale and many others here on the list that made the cut. A neat fact to me is that if you have sales of $7 million and above you would make the Printers Impressions 400 largest printers in the USA and that 24 of the QP list make that list. So although we face major competition and claims of 30,000 printers, only 500 printers (who report sales) in the USA have sales above $2.5 million John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for First, Second and Standard Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/854 - Release Date: 6/19/2007 1:12 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Wed Jun 20 13:06:23 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Wed Jun 20 13:08:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scary and maybe not legal In-Reply-To: <20070620134739.F25948F9AEC@rb.enter.net> References: <20070620134739.F25948F9AEC@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <60c3cbe70b39508515bb77bafc82afbc@sheergraphics.com> I'm sending this post again. It seems the original has been lost in Marconi's ether for 2 subsequent digests and 2 hours, 20 minutes. ------------------------------- Where on Vista Print's website is the webpage displayed by the link below? What is the exact webpage address on Vista Print's site? Either I'm blind or they have hidden it well! P.S. The Domestic Mail Manual contains the rules, not the heads/brains of individual bulk mail clerks. > Vista Print is into mailing now. My reading is they are in violation > of USPS > rules, co mingling mail. > > http://www.ondemandjournal.com/specialfeatures/ward86.cfm Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From mail at myprinter.biz Wed Jun 20 13:09:05 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Wed Jun 20 13:08:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 In-Reply-To: <6527AD46-F0A3-4AD3-82D6-5896E71DE32B@printzilla.net> Message-ID: "That would put a crimp on any study! I mean, if you had to do it to scientific standards." Jack - "Crimp?" Yeah, you could say that, and the only reason one would use scientific standards is to try to get meaningful (repeatable) results, because if the results can't be repeated, the findings are worthless and the effort was wasted. I'm going to pose the same question to you that i just posed to Andrew LeWinter: What will your attitude be when Fedex/Kinko's begins it's multi-million dollar national TV and newpaper ad campaign telling your customers and prospects about how easy it is to use Adobe to send their printing to Kinko's? Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Jack Edwards Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:49 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Jun 20, 2007, at 11:30 AM, wrote: > > > Properly controlled variables for a study like that would require > finding > two printers that were virtually identical in every respect, have each > operate in the same market in the same time span and do essentially > identical marketing and have essentially identical sales efforts. > The only > difference would be that one would advertise itself as an Adobe > Service > Provider and the other wouldn't. (Even if this were possible, > which it's > not, how the the degree/amount/nature of advertising and marketing > as an > Adobe Service Provider might affect sales wouldn't be answered. > That would > require additional studies that would be impossible to pull off.) That would put a crimp on any study! I mean, if you had to do it to scientific standards. How do you partner with Adobe? I put the sticker on the door but I don't know what it really tells people out there on the other side. I've never had any feedback one way or the other. Well, I've had people say, "I've got this file. It's done in Adobe." Maybe they read it on the door. I think were confusing partnering with being "joined at the hip" which may be quite different. Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Jun 20 13:10:17 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Jun 20 13:10:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 In-Reply-To: <200706201636.l5KGagQM089192@i2bnetworks.com> References: <200706201636.l5KGagQM089192@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0706201010n24c186dfw56afa780b64a6ae9@mail.gmail.com> On 6/20/07, Scott Cappel wrote: > > Ask someone like myself or Craig who has, and we can give you an > informed opinion as to the benefits from actually doing it. > I'll bite. Scott, Craig: Please tell us the benefits of, and more specifically, the nature and mechanics of your partnering activities with Adobe. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From russ at mobile-print.com Wed Jun 20 14:11:16 2007 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Wed Jun 20 13:14:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46796DC4.4070701@mobile-print.com> > Out of curiousity, what will your attitude be when Fedex/Kinko's begins it's > multi-million dollar national TV and newpaper ad campaign telling your > customers and prospects about how easy it is to use Adobe to send their > printing to Kinko's? > I think a good number of people will try the Acrobat Connect service. I also think many (most) of them will be disappointed with what they receive from Kinkos. Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847-398-6155 Fax: 847-398-0788 From swiftyprinting at mac.com Wed Jun 20 13:24:20 2007 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Wed Jun 20 13:24:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0706201010n24c186dfw56afa780b64a6ae9@mail.gmail.com> References: <200706201636.l5KGagQM089192@i2bnetworks.com> <98f5b19a0706201010n24c186dfw56afa780b64a6ae9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <65A09635-9D7F-4551-9BEA-CB2B1DEFD4DB@mac.com> On Jun 20, 2007, at 1:10 PM, Michael Vogel wrote: > Please tell us the benefits of, and more specifically, the nature and > mechanics of your partnering activities with Adobe. . They run local "event shows" where they invite designers and print buyers. You can use these shows to set up a booth. They bring the customers to you with these special events. You can use them to do inhouse at your shop training seminars for your clients. There are a lot of hidden benefits if you take advantage of them (no not all are not free, but you do have access to them). Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com From gailscott at eos.net Wed Jun 20 13:05:27 2007 From: gailscott at eos.net (Gail & Scott Finke) Date: Wed Jun 20 13:25:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 (Scott Cappel) In-Reply-To: <002901c7b356$324cecd0$96e6c670$@com> Message-ID: on 6/20/07 12:15 PM, John Henry at John@mpcny.com wrote: > I do know my partnering and promoting > in fact has resulted in gravitas in my market. > Ooh, that sounds bad. How long has your market been suffering from gravitas, and what were the initial symptoms? Have you tried anything for it? I've heard that an infusion of St. John's Wort can help, at least in mild cases. Gail Finke ----------------- Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 513-522-2679 info@brentwood-printing.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Jun 20 13:48:31 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 20 13:48:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 Message-ID: In a message dated 6/20/2007 12:38:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, smc@sorrentomesa.com writes: I would postulate that neither Dan nor you John have harnessed the power of cobranding with Adobe so in this area you don't know what you're talking about. Ask someone like myself or Craig who has, and we can give you an informed opinion as to the benefits from actually doing it. Dear Scott, This is what I know Scott. I have consulted for more "Profit Leaders" and "Profit Laggards" than just about anyone else in this industry. I know how they price, I know how they operate and I know how they make profits. I also know how they approach marketing as well. I also even know how Craig operates, and without violating any confidentiality I can state as a fact that his operation is so far different than yours that I am amazed that you would mention both shops in the same sentence. Oh, by the way, I have also consulted with some of the companies you so proudly mention in your discussions of co-branding. Based upon this knowledge, I will once again state for the record that your statement which essentially said that folks are being myopic if they choose for whatever reason not to co-brand with Adobe is one of the silliest statements I have ever read. You need to follow your own advice and go out and sell some more and cut back on the preaching and telling folks how myopic they are! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From jedwards at printzilla.net Wed Jun 20 13:52:29 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Wed Jun 20 13:54:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 In-Reply-To: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D50154BFA@mail1.datapalette.local> References: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D50154BFA@mail1.datapalette.local> Message-ID: On Jun 20, 2007, at 11:42 AM, Andrew LeWinter wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > But the reality is that Adobe is a major > influence in the business. Forgive me for this one, but think about it. It's like putting a fish on your business card. Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas From craig at newhavenprint.com Wed Jun 20 14:22:26 2007 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Wed Jun 20 14:22:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0706201010n24c186dfw56afa780b64a6ae9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070620182237.24E478FB832@rb.enter.net> > I'll bite. > Scott, Craig: > Please tell us the benefits of, and more specifically, the > nature and mechanics of your partnering activities with Adobe. > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing OK, not sure how I got drug into this fight, but here's my take. I don't appreciate what Adobe did with Acrobat 8.1 putting the link for Kinko's into software all our customers use. Our printing associations NAQP and NAPL have contacted Adobe (as well as PIA and others) expressing our concerns. BUT, I will agree with no reservations that Adobe (as well as Microsoft) is a necessary partner in our business. We even count on our EFI Fiery Rips (sorry John Henry). We've been part of the Adobe Service Privider network for quite a while. We've been a Premium Service Provider for the past two years. The largest benefit for us is free on-site training and the ability to co-sponsor events with Adobe. We've put on Adobe co-sponsored seminars for the past 4 years. We rent a ballroom at the Marriott and go from 9:00 to 4:00 with a break for lunch. We've had over 100 customers and potential customers attend each year. They get a free day's training, a great lunch and Adobe even gives away a couple Creative Suites at the end. It give us an entire day to have all these people captive and continue to pop little ads for the shop into the presentation. Such as when we discuss variable data and the iGen, or our PDF workflow, or the fact that we promote an RGB workflow to let them achieve the highest color gamut possible. The other printers in town HATE me for doing that. Adobe pays us $1000 to help cover expenses and they also provide a trainer to work with our pre-press department for the entire day before the seminar. On top of being listed as a Premier Provider on their web site, having a "Adobe success story" published (coming soon), all updates to the Creative Suite on both platforms and priority unlimited technical support. All for $1000 a year. What's not to like? Our primary clientele is the advertising market in our area. We do work for pretty much every agency in town and beyond. Being recognized as the "Adobe Expert" helps a lot. I even go as far as offering free "help" for customers. If I or my pre-press people don't have a solution, we can call our tech line and look like geniuses. We're also involved with the local Adobe User's Group. Again, a good source of leads for printing. I'm not nearly as up on the software as I used to be, but I have people. So that's my Adobe story. Kind of like even when your kid does something stupid, you still have to love him. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From mail at myprinter.biz Wed Jun 20 14:28:27 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Wed Jun 20 14:28:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 In-Reply-To: <200706201636.l5KGagQM089192@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: ...it is myopic and short sighted and frankly rather dumb to not partner with someone with Adobe's branding and influence in our space, to not generate confidence, rapport and establish credibility in the corporate marketplace where most all of OUR clients exist. Scott Scott - You're continuing to miss the point: If all of us were you and had your customers that respond in the way that you report your customers do to your co-branding with Adobe, you're correct that it would be "myopic and short sighted and frankly rather dumb" not to do what you're doing... ...but it's also true that if my grandmother had wheels maybe she could be a bus and maybe I could save a lot of money on gas by taking her to work instead of driving my car. It's that "if" part that's the killer: At least some of rest of us aren't you, and we don't have your customers that respond to your co-branding with Adobe in the way you report that your customers do... ...and at least one of us - yours truly - thinks that there's something implicitly dumb about advertising the name of a vendor that's aggressively tyring to direct business from my clients and prospects to one of my competitors. But maybe I'm alone in feeling that way. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:36 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I did not say that co-marketing with Adobe was the only weapon at Sorrento Mesa's disposal, we have many more that would floor even you at their effectiveness. I said it was one of the most important and one of the more powerful. I have partnered with Kinko's (not any more since we now do what they do in house...and lately they seem to be our best source of new clients), I partner with Fed-EX, I partner with UPS (ooooooo I'm shakin' in my flip flops that the UPS store is going to take my business), I partner with whomever I have to partner with to serve the needs of my clients. You cannot fret and wring your hands about all of the of the policies and alliances of all your partners, they have shareholders to answer to as well. But it is myopic and short sighted and frankly rather dumb to not partner with someone with Adobe's branding and influence in our space, to not generate confidence, rapport and establish credibility in the corporate marketplace where most all of OUR clients exist. I would postulate that neither Dan nor you John have harnessed the power of cobranding with Adobe so in this area you don't know what you're talking about. Ask someone like myself or Craig who has, and we can give you an informed opinion as to the benefits from actually doing it. S. At 09:14 AM 6/20/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >In a message dated 6/20/2007 11:59:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >smc@sorrentomesa.com writes: > >Not speaking for John, but speaking for myself here, you are so off >the mark with that comment that your myopia is astounding. > >Partnering with Adobe is one of the most if the most powerful >marketing weapon in Sorrento Mesa's arsenal. > >Your comments floor me. > > >Scott, > >I'm a bit floored myself about the above reaction. I think it was reasonable >question from a firm that I suspect is every bit as large (if not larger) >and profitable as your own. I certainly have consulted with $2-3 >million dollar >firms that are very profitable and choose for a variety of reasons not to >advertise themselves as being a partner with Adobe. > >There is no single partner, device, or marketing approach out there (i.e. >one size fits all) to my knowledge that it's lack of use or implementation >would result in classifying a person as myopic. > >I really think you went a bit overboard with these comments. > > > >John Stewart >Q. P. Consulting, Inc. >Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > >by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > >2110 S. Dairy Road >West Melbourne, FL 32904 >321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 >Cell: 321-794-6259 >_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) >"Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > >************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2341 (20070620) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mail at myprinter.biz Wed Jun 20 14:35:32 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Wed Jun 20 14:35:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 In-Reply-To: <20070620182237.24E478FB832@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Kind of like even when your kid does something stupid, you still have to love him. Craig Craig - Adobe isn't my kid and I don't have to love him. It's simply a vendor that's in the business of making money, just like I am. In this isolated case, what they've chosen to do to make money is to encourage ALL of my clients and prospects, and all of yours, too - to send their business to our competitors. If my kid did something comparable, I'd check him or her into drug rehab. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Craig Dellinger Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 2:22 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > I'll bite. > Scott, Craig: > Please tell us the benefits of, and more specifically, the > nature and mechanics of your partnering activities with Adobe. > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing OK, not sure how I got drug into this fight, but here's my take. I don't appreciate what Adobe did with Acrobat 8.1 putting the link for Kinko's into software all our customers use. Our printing associations NAQP and NAPL have contacted Adobe (as well as PIA and others) expressing our concerns. BUT, I will agree with no reservations that Adobe (as well as Microsoft) is a necessary partner in our business. We even count on our EFI Fiery Rips (sorry John Henry). We've been part of the Adobe Service Privider network for quite a while. We've been a Premium Service Provider for the past two years. The largest benefit for us is free on-site training and the ability to co-sponsor events with Adobe. We've put on Adobe co-sponsored seminars for the past 4 years. We rent a ballroom at the Marriott and go from 9:00 to 4:00 with a break for lunch. We've had over 100 customers and potential customers attend each year. They get a free day's training, a great lunch and Adobe even gives away a couple Creative Suites at the end. It give us an entire day to have all these people captive and continue to pop little ads for the shop into the presentation. Such as when we discuss variable data and the iGen, or our PDF workflow, or the fact that we promote an RGB workflow to let them achieve the highest color gamut possible. The other printers in town HATE me for doing that. Adobe pays us $1000 to help cover expenses and they also provide a trainer to work with our pre-press department for the entire day before the seminar. On top of being listed as a Premier Provider on their web site, having a "Adobe success story" published (coming soon), all updates to the Creative Suite on both platforms and priority unlimited technical support. All for $1000 a year. What's not to like? Our primary clientele is the advertising market in our area. We do work for pretty much every agency in town and beyond. Being recognized as the "Adobe Expert" helps a lot. I even go as far as offering free "help" for customers. If I or my pre-press people don't have a solution, we can call our tech line and look like geniuses. We're also involved with the local Adobe User's Group. Again, a good source of leads for printing. I'm not nearly as up on the software as I used to be, but I have people. So that's my Adobe story. Kind of like even when your kid does something stupid, you still have to love him. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed Jun 20 14:58:28 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed Jun 20 14:59:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200706201859.l5KIx9Gl015561@i2bnetworks.com> OK. Good idea. Thanks for the advice. Think I'll go do that. S. At 10:48 AM 6/20/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >In a message dated 6/20/2007 12:38:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >smc@sorrentomesa.com writes: > >I would postulate that neither Dan nor you John have harnessed the >power of cobranding with Adobe so in this area you don't know what >you're talking about. > >Ask someone like myself or Craig who has, and we can give you an >informed opinion as to the benefits from actually doing it. > > > >Dear Scott, > >This is what I know Scott. I have consulted for more "Profit Leaders" and >"Profit Laggards" than just about anyone else in this industry. I >know how they >price, I know how they operate and I know how they make profits. I also know >how they approach marketing as well. I also even know how Craig >operates, and > without violating any confidentiality I can state as a fact that his >operation is so far different than yours that I am amazed that you >would mention >both shops in the same sentence. > >Oh, by the way, I have also consulted with some of the companies you so >proudly mention in your discussions of co-branding. > >Based upon this knowledge, I will once again state for the record that your >statement which essentially said that folks are being myopic if they choose >for whatever reason not to co-brand with Adobe is one of the silliest >statements I have ever read. You need to follow your own advice and >go out and sell >some more and cut back on the preaching and telling folks >how myopic they are! > > >John Stewart >Q. P. Consulting, Inc. >Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > >by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > >2110 S. Dairy Road >West Melbourne, FL 32904 >321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 >Cell: 321-794-6259 >_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) >"Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > >************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2341 (20070620) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Jun 20 15:17:39 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 20 15:17:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 4C Copying/Printing Scenarios Needed Message-ID: Folks, I need your help. Sooner, rather than later, we will be publishing a new pricing study on 4C, but unlike in the past, the new study will recognize and take into account the blurring of what types of devices jobs are being run on.... within a broad quantity range, many, many jobs are being produced on a vast array of devices ranging from digital color copiers to IGens, DIs and traditional 2 & 4C presses.... we are going to survey prices and then break out prices as well as to the type of devices. Right now, what I am most in need of are some samples of the most typical, real-world job scenarios... I'm not interested 10 copies each of 12 originals, etc.... but rather color copying and printing jobs that really account for some big dollars in the range of say $300 to $3,000 or thereabouts! I am looking for real-world scenarios that you consider good jobs, that are somewhat common to your shop that you produce and are looking for.... Here's just one scenario I have planned... "4C 9 x 12 Coated Text. Total charges to produce this job at the indicated quantities in the time frame allotted. Please remember to indicate the production method used: Stock: 100# Gloss Text, #1 sheet Bleed: Yes Quality Level: Pleasing Must be completed within: 72 hours" The quantities we will be surveying (at present) will range from 250 to 5M, 1-side and 2-sides. When the survey is conducted, we will remove all variables such as file charges, bindery, other than trimming to finished size, etc.... What I am looking for from some of you folks are some of the more real world types of jobs that are big money makers for you whether it is primarily on color copiers or primarily on 4/5 color presses. I know I will not be able to satisfy all, but we will do our best and we have some surprises in store that I think will please many, including special matrices dedicated strictly towards color copying in three different breakouts... retail, commercial and bid categories. Send me your very typical jobs, or the jobs you like to handle.... At this point I am not looking for large multi-original, short run jobs, but rather those types of jobs that could in reality be put on a variety of machines.... Try to follow the format I have suggested and send them privately to me.... you will be fully credited for your suggestions. Thanks so much. I will also try to share as much as I can as we proceed with this project. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From craig at newhavenprint.com Wed Jun 20 15:34:51 2007 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Wed Jun 20 15:35:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070620193502.0F4658FBE8E@rb.enter.net> > Craig - > Adobe isn't my kid and I don't have to love him. > It's simply a vendor that's in the business of making money, > just like I am. > In this isolated case, what they've chosen to do to make > money is to encourage ALL of my clients and prospects, and > all of yours, too - to send their business to our competitors. > If my kid did something comparable, I'd check him or her into > drug rehab. > Dan > Sir Speedy Printing Center And that's great that you can operate your business however you like. I use Adobe as a tool. Maybe the kid line wasn't comparable, but I do think you're getting way too upset over what might not affect you much, if any. I'm sure you think I'm naive, but I'm truly not worried about Kinko's in my market. We offer completely different products and capabilities - and that's on purpose. Is there a chance I could lose a training manual job or binder job to them? Absolutely. Do I like them being imbedded into Acrobat? Absolutely not. But I'm not going to throw away my tools just to try to hurt them. If I hadn't been pushing a pdf workflow for years and moving my customers from Quark to InDesign, I might even side with you. But that's not the case. I have to live with their arrogance and deal with it. I'm sure Canon, Konica and Xerox have tried to sell customers their machines. There are still some Xerox ran copy centers, UPS and FedEx have become competitors. What kills me is when I hear so many people talking about brokering their printing to 4/over or VistaPrint or the typesetting company in India. Am I the only one who thinks that's just feeding the beast? Isn't there a point where your customers will realize that they don't need you if they find our you're not actually producing your own work? Just a thought. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Jun 20 15:44:11 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Jun 20 15:44:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 4C Copying/Printing Scenarios Needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0706201244u3eeebc12g9b521865e0178e4b@mail.gmail.com> On 6/20/07, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > > Send me your very typical jobs, or the jobs you like to handle.... At this > point I am not looking for large multi-original, short run jobs, but rather > those types of jobs that could in reality be put on a variety of machines.... I hope that you'll be including those large multi-original jobs as well, since it is a new category (of color) that was virtually nonexistant before the ubiquity of the current generation of production color devices. As much as I'd like to know the market price of different types of what were formerly strictly offset jobs, the multiple-original digital color job accounts for the bulk of our multi-thousand dollar jobs. Then again, pricing of these jobs might be answerable by knowing shop's minimum color pricing and what factors determine when we price at that level. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From communicar at aol.com Wed Jun 20 16:03:56 2007 From: communicar at aol.com (communicar@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 20 16:04:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lemonade - was Adobe/Kinko's In-Reply-To: <200706201859.l5KIx9Gl015561@i2bnetworks.com> References: <200706201859.l5KIx9Gl015561@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <8C9818D44E06AEC-FB4-12775@WEBMAIL-DC17.sysops.aol.com> Sorry for my convoluted thought process. Just a wild thought. Maybe Adobe's efforts with FedEx/Kinko is more about pushing more people to move to a PDF workflow. Seems like those who have (Scott, Craig, Barry, et al) have reached a marketing/advertising customer pool where the rewards of capturing business from this pool are much greater than more business from the general populace. We use a digital printer who offers an additional discount if we use their web portal and submit jobs in their preferred format (PDF). Jobs are easier to process, with less labor, and more automated workflow. My business has declined in the past 2.5 years because I have been distracted with my wife's illness - she was diagnosed with CJD in Jan 2005, and has been hospitalized since then. Between visiting with her, and running kids to school and sports practices, I can only be at work for about 4 hours a day instead of what used to be 8 to 12. This situation has pushed me to slowly work on pushing more of our clients to use MOD and online orders. The interesting thing I have found with the online accounts is once they are sold and up and running, they don't ask about price. We recently landed a new account who had already signed up with Office Depot for all their printing. The corporate honchos figured the benefit of processing orders through one source will result in internal savings - being able to track and charge each order to specific departments. Problem was Office Depot couldn't handle the integration of the account. A month and a half after signing, they still hadn't shipped one order. We produced cards within a week (recreate artwork from scratch, print one color onto their masters, create custom die and diecutting). Then we put together their online order forms (Big plug for MOD and Steve C. and Joe Kern and their quick support) in the next week. Customer asked for some features we didn't have, which sounded like Office Depot did have. Turns out Office Depot is using Four51.com for their site. Was able to sell them on how those features weren not a benefit for them. Office Depot sold the account on the online ordering system, we were there when they couldn't deliver. So, I think this relationship (Adobe/FedEx Kinko) can end up being beneficial for those who are prepared for the inevitable foulups that will occur when orders start flowing. People like Scott who are already "cobranding" themselves with Adobe (I see this as marketing) will have greater Top Of Mind Awareness with customers who are looking for an alternative to FK. It also helps to speak the language these corporate types use - words like cobranding, integration, rollout, launch, etc. just my observations, Ken Azebu Communicart Graphics & Printing 499 Aldo Avenue Santa Clara, CA 95054 (408) 970-0922 (408) 970-8630 Fax -----Original Message----- From: Scott Cappel To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:58 am Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? OK. Good idea.? Thanks for the advice. Think I'll go do that.? S.? ? ? At 10:48 AM 6/20/2007, you wrote:? >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? >? >? >? >In a message dated 6/20/2007 12:38:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,? >smc@sorrentomesa.com writes:? >I would postulate that neither Dan nor you John have harnessed the? >power of cobranding with Adobe so in this area you don't know what? >you're talking about.? >? >Ask someone like myself or Craig who has, and we can give you an? >informed opinion as to the benefits from actually doing it.? >? >? >? >Dear Scott,? >? >This is what I know Scott. I have consulted for more "Profit Leaders" and? >"Profit Laggards" than just about anyone else in this industry. I >know how they? >price, I know how they operate and I know how they make profits. I also know? >how they approach marketing as well. I also even know how Craig >operates, and? > without violating any confidentiality I can state as a fact that his? >operation is so far different than yours that I am amazed that you >would mention? >both shops in the same sentence.? >? >Oh, by the way, I have also consulted with some of the companies you so? >proudly mention in your discussions of co-branding.? >? >Based upon this knowledge, I will once again state for the record that your? >statement which essentially said that folks are being myopic if they choose? >for whatever reason not to co-brand with Adobe is one of the silliest? >statements I have ever read. You need to follow your own advice and >go out and sell? >some more and cut back on the preaching and telling folks >how myopic they are!? >? >? >John Stewart? >Q. P. Consulting, Inc.? >Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/)? >? >by Larry Hunt & John Stewart? >? >2110 S. Dairy Road? >West Melbourne, FL 32904? >321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166? >Cell: 321-794-6259? >_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/)? >"Winners analyze, losers rationalize."? >? >? >? >************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.? >_______________________________________________? >PrintOwners Discussion List? >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? >? >? >__________ NOD32 2341 (20070620) Information __________? >? >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.? >http://www.eset.com? ? Scott Cappel? Sorrento Mesa Printing? 7398 Trade Street? San Diego, CA 92121-2422? 858-527-0800? 858-527-1740 FAX? http://www.sorrentomesa.com? ? Direct Links for Learning:? http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html? http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html? http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html? ? Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider? Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider? Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level? Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider? ? Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. =0 From mail at myprinter.biz Wed Jun 20 16:26:34 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Wed Jun 20 16:26:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lemonade - was Adobe/Kinko's In-Reply-To: <8C9818D44E06AEC-FB4-12775@WEBMAIL-DC17.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: "I think this relationship (Adobe/FedEx Kinko) can end up being beneficial for those who are prepared for the inevitable foulups that will occur when orders start flowing. People like Scott who are already "cobranding" themselves with Adobe (I see this as marketing) will have greater Top Of Mind Awareness with customers who are looking for an alternative to FK. It also helps to speak the language these corporate types use - words like cobranding, integration, rollout, launch, etc." Ken Ken - First, you have my sympathy for your wife's CJD. I don't pray much, but just said one for both of you. You have some good thoughts, but I wonder if any of you could honestly claim that what Adobe's done with Kinko's is a good thing for you. If so, how is it going to benefit you to have Adobe encouraging your customers and prospects to take their business to your competitors? If it's not a good thing for you, maybe you consider it to be neutral, and that's okay. I also wonder if any of you could honestly claim that what Adobe's done with Kinko's doesn't make you view Adobe as a lot less your partner than they are Kinko's partner. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of communicar@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 4:04 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Lemonade - was Adobe/Kinko's ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Sorry for my convoluted thought process. Just a wild thought. Maybe Adobe's efforts with FedEx/Kinko is more about pushing more people to move to a PDF workflow. Seems like those who have (Scott, Craig, Barry, et al) have reached a marketing/advertising customer pool where the rewards of capturing business from this pool are much greater than more business from the general populace. We use a digital printer who offers an additional discount if we use their web portal and submit jobs in their preferred format (PDF). Jobs are easier to process, with less labor, and more automated workflow. My business has declined in the past 2.5 years because I have been distracted with my wife's illness - she was diagnosed with CJD in Jan 2005, and has been hospitalized since then. Between visiting with her, and running kids to school and sports practices, I can only be at work for about 4 hours a day instead of what used to be 8 to 12. This situation has pushed me to slowly work on pushing more of our clients to use MOD and online orders. The interesting thing I have found with the online accounts is once they are sold and up and running, they don't ask about price. We recently landed a new account who had already signed up with Office Depot for all their printing. The corporate honchos figured the benefit of processing orders through one source will result in internal savings - being able to track and charge each order to specific departments. Problem was Office Depot couldn't handle the integration of the account. A month and a half after signing, they still hadn't shipped one order. We produced cards within a week (recreate artwork from scratch, print one color onto their masters, create custom die and diecutting). Then we put together their online order forms (Big plug for MOD and Steve C. and Joe Kern and their quick support) in the next week. Customer asked for some features we didn't have, which sounded like Office Depot did have. Turns out Office Depot is using Four51.com for their site. Was able to sell them on how those features weren not a benefit for them. Office Depot sold the account on the online ordering system, we were there when they couldn't deliver. So, I think this relationship (Adobe/FedEx Kinko) can end up being beneficial for those who are prepared for the inevitable foulups that will occur when orders start flowing. People like Scott who are already "cobranding" themselves with Adobe (I see this as marketing) will have greater Top Of Mind Awareness with customers who are looking for an alternative to FK. It also helps to speak the language these corporate types use - words like cobranding, integration, rollout, launch, etc. just my observations, Ken Azebu Communicart Graphics & Printing 499 Aldo Avenue Santa Clara, CA 95054 (408) 970-0922 (408) 970-8630 Fax -----Original Message----- From: Scott Cappel To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:58 am Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** OK. Good idea. Thanks for the advice. Think I'll go do that. S. At 10:48 AM 6/20/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >In a message dated 6/20/2007 12:38:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >smc@sorrentomesa.com writes: >I would postulate that neither Dan nor you John have harnessed the >power of cobranding with Adobe so in this area you don't know what >you're talking about. > >Ask someone like myself or Craig who has, and we can give you an >informed opinion as to the benefits from actually doing it. > > > >Dear Scott, > >This is what I know Scott. I have consulted for more "Profit Leaders" and >"Profit Laggards" than just about anyone else in this industry. I >know how they >price, I know how they operate and I know how they make profits. I also know >how they approach marketing as well. I also even know how Craig >operates, and > without violating any confidentiality I can state as a fact that his >operation is so far different than yours that I am amazed that you >would mention >both shops in the same sentence. > >Oh, by the way, I have also consulted with some of the companies you so >proudly mention in your discussions of co-branding. > >Based upon this knowledge, I will once again state for the record that your >statement which essentially said that folks are being myopic if they choose >for whatever reason not to co-brand with Adobe is one of the silliest >statements I have ever read. You need to follow your own advice and >go out and sell >some more and cut back on the preaching and telling folks >how myopic they are! > > >John Stewart >Q. P. Consulting, Inc. >Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > >by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > >2110 S. Dairy Road >West Melbourne, FL 32904 >321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 >Cell: 321-794-6259 >_www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) >"Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > >************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2341 (20070620) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. =0 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jacemeister at gmail.com Wed Jun 20 16:35:12 2007 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Wed Jun 20 16:35:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 In-Reply-To: <20070620193502.0F4658FBE8E@rb.enter.net> References: <20070620193502.0F4658FBE8E@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: > > What kills me is when I hear so many people talking > about brokering their printing to 4/over or VistaPrint or the typesetting > company in India. Am I the only one who thinks that's just feeding the > beast? Isn't there a point where your customers will realize that they > don't > need you if they find our you're not actually producing your own work? > Just > a thought. > > Craig Dellinger I'm really liking this thread and appreciate the input. I have been recently put in a predicament that enables me to offer a differing viewpoint on your last paragraph. This year I bought a 4-color Ryobi 524-HXX-A press along with metal direct to plate and new workflow system. However, I recently found myself without any press operators for a couple of weeks. I jobbed out all my offset work and not one customer knew about it. As a matter of fact, the jobs were done faster than I would have gotten them done here. I'm thinking I could sell this equipment, pocket the cash and convert much of my work to digital output. The rest I can broker, thereby reducing my payroll dramatically. Customers don't know or care what is produced in-house. Most of us don't tell customers that their raised printing is brokered, or their checks, continuous forms, carbon interleaved forms, etc. I'm not saying it's the best answer and I'm certainly not giving advice, but I'm changing my point of view about feeling the need to keep everything possible in-house. Regarding Adobe - we're at their mercy. For years I refused to use Am-Ex credit cards because they advertised Kinko's in their commercials. I avoided using Fed-Ex when they bought Kinko's, and I resented UPS for their limited competition with their mailbox stores. Now I realize I HAVE to do business with all of them, especially Adobe. As far as advertising them on my promotional material, I don't think it matters all that much. Many of my customers might be using Acrobat for making PDF's, but very few can afford the CS3 Suite, and most don't even know what it is. I don't like what Adobe is doing, but I want customers to believe my staff is more informed about using Adobe products than Kinko's staff. -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com From John at mpcny.com Wed Jun 20 16:41:21 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Wed Jun 20 16:41:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Amazed again...Re: Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 Message-ID: <000801c7b37b$5c6cec20$1546c460$@com> I should not be, but I am amazed again at this list. A topic I feel that we can all learn from has gone off on a tangent then morphed into disagreements with nasty personal undertones. Not one person congratulated any of the printers on here for making the top 100. Not one person gave thoughts on how Barry exited the industry and why. Not one person remarked on how 37 of the 100 had double digit growth and how they did it. Not one person made note that zip mail had a growth rate of over 300% and a SPE of $316,456! Just another day on PO :-( So congratulations to all who made the 100, I am sure Barry is laughing his ass off at us all right now and enjoying every minute; the 37 must have been selling something today; while Zipmail was providing a turnkey print marketing solution, thus gobbling a chunk of very profitable work with little internet presence. Of course Adobe and Kinko's are still together... John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for First, Second and Standard Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/854 - Release Date: 6/19/2007 1:12 PM From russ at mobile-print.com Wed Jun 20 17:49:15 2007 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Wed Jun 20 16:51:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 In-Reply-To: References: <20070620193502.0F4658FBE8E@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <4679A0DB.8090009@mobile-print.com> > I don't like what Adobe is doing, but I want customers to believe my > staff > is more informed about using Adobe products than Kinko's staff. Using the Adobe logo/affiliation in marketing materials just that - marketing. It ties your firm in with a big-time player in the graphics industry. Just like an HVAC guy using the Carrier logo or the Auto guy advertising Fram Filters. It's part of a branding strategy... I mean, what sounds better..."We use professional graphics software." or "We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider."? The latter shows that not only do you use their product, but they authorize your use. You're a partner, not just a user. This can add a subtle legitimacy in your clients eyes. Also, isn't there already an application that has a 'built in' preferred vendor...? I can't remember what, but something had a menu item offering 'Print Me Internet Printing' or something similar...? Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847-398-6155 Fax: 847-398-0788 From mail at myprinter.biz Wed Jun 20 16:53:08 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Wed Jun 20 16:53:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "I don't like what Adobe is doing, but I want customers to believe my staff is more informed about using Adobe products than Kinko's staff." jace Jace - You make some very good points, but it's Adobe that's making your job that much harder by both shoving the name Kinko's into the faces of your customers and prospects and making it easy for them to direct their business away from you. If you could have your name there, instead of Kinko's, wouldn't you, and wouldn't you be basking in the legitimacy - whether real or imagined - that would confer on you in the eyes of your customers and prospects? Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Jace Prejean Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 4:35 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > What kills me is when I hear so many people talking > about brokering their printing to 4/over or VistaPrint or the typesetting > company in India. Am I the only one who thinks that's just feeding the > beast? Isn't there a point where your customers will realize that they > don't > need you if they find our you're not actually producing your own work? > Just > a thought. > > Craig Dellinger I'm really liking this thread and appreciate the input. I have been recently put in a predicament that enables me to offer a differing viewpoint on your last paragraph. This year I bought a 4-color Ryobi 524-HXX-A press along with metal direct to plate and new workflow system. However, I recently found myself without any press operators for a couple of weeks. I jobbed out all my offset work and not one customer knew about it. As a matter of fact, the jobs were done faster than I would have gotten them done here. I'm thinking I could sell this equipment, pocket the cash and convert much of my work to digital output. The rest I can broker, thereby reducing my payroll dramatically. Customers don't know or care what is produced in-house. Most of us don't tell customers that their raised printing is brokered, or their checks, continuous forms, carbon interleaved forms, etc. I'm not saying it's the best answer and I'm certainly not giving advice, but I'm changing my point of view about feeling the need to keep everything possible in-house. Regarding Adobe - we're at their mercy. For years I refused to use Am-Ex credit cards because they advertised Kinko's in their commercials. I avoided using Fed-Ex when they bought Kinko's, and I resented UPS for their limited competition with their mailbox stores. Now I realize I HAVE to do business with all of them, especially Adobe. As far as advertising them on my promotional material, I don't think it matters all that much. Many of my customers might be using Acrobat for making PDF's, but very few can afford the CS3 Suite, and most don't even know what it is. I don't like what Adobe is doing, but I want customers to believe my staff is more informed about using Adobe products than Kinko's staff. -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From Communicar at aol.com Wed Jun 20 16:52:57 2007 From: Communicar at aol.com (Communicar@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 20 16:53:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lemonade - was Adobe/Kinko's Message-ID: Dan, Thanks for your prayer. Sometimes a lifechanging event changes how one looks at things. You can ask all the why's and complain and vent, and in the end it is still what it is. So you move on. I realized there are some things you can change, and a whole lot you have no control over. Expending your energy on the things you can't control or change is wasting your time and resources. I can't say the AK alliance is good for me, but I can promote that we can do the same things, and have a case study from our clients printed, detailing how our local business with expertise and experience ran circles around a corporate supplier with deep pockets and no expertise. And don't assume that just because it's there that everyone will use it. A lot of people like the hand holding, the "show you how' service that we can provide, and the knowledgeable voice who can answer their questions. Start marketing that when FK doesn't deliver, we can. I don't really see Adobe as a "partner'. I joined ASN because of the benefits for me. They're in business to make money. I choose to use their products to make money, and can leave them if and when I choose. I can't change what Adobe does, or who they partner with. It helps to be aware of stuff like this, so you can be as prepared as possible in the selling process. Thanks to everyone who contributes to this and other forums. Ken Azebu Communicart Graphics & Printing 499 Aldo Avenue Santa Clara, CA 95054 Tel (408) 970-0922 Fax (408) 970-8630 Communicar@aol.com In a message dated 6/20/07 1:28:06 PM, mail@myprinter.biz writes: << You have some good thoughts, but I wonder if any of you could honestly claim that what Adobe's done with Kinko's is a good thing for you. If so, how is it going to benefit you to have Adobe encouraging your customers and prospects to take their business to your competitors? If it's not a good thing for you, maybe you consider it to be neutral, and that's okay. I also wonder if any of you could honestly claim that what Adobe's done with Kinko's doesn't make you view Adobe as a lot less your partner than they are Kinko's partner. >>


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See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From alewinter at datapalette.com Wed Jun 20 17:01:44 2007 From: alewinter at datapalette.com (Andrew LeWinter) Date: Wed Jun 20 16:59:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 References: Message-ID: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D50154C2A@mail1.datapalette.local> My attitude in the future will be dependent on the conditions at that time. My current attitude is that all the advertising in the world can get someone in Kinko's door, but their current level of service will not keep the clients around. That is why I think it is important that customers know that as a member of the ASN, I can accept any files that could have been sent to Kinko's via the one-click method. I would be concerned that with out using the Adobe name, some clients might assume that I am not capable of producing the work they produce in Acrobat. As long as Adobe is the standard accepted by customers, I not only play ball with them, I use Adobe to my advantage. When there is a significant alternative to Adobe, I will reevaluate the situation. Do you think an owner of McDonalds will refuse to take his kids to Disney World because Burger King is doing a promotion with Disney? The new Transformer movie coming out next month has a promotional deal with GM that uses GM products exclusively as Transformers. Does that mean that a Chrysler dealer shouldn't see the movie? Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 1:03 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Andrew - Thanks for your opinion. For myself, I really don't give a rat's patoot whether or not Abode is a major influence in "the business." I'm in this "for the money" and care only about whether or not non-Kinko's print/copy shops advertising the Adobe name is going to benefit Kinko's at my expense. Out of curiousity, what will your attitude be when Fedex/Kinko's begins it's multi-million dollar national TV and newpaper ad campaign telling your customers and prospects about how easy it is to use Adobe to send their printing to Kinko's? Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Andrew LeWinter Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:42 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Dan, I understand your ire. But the reality is that Adobe is a major influence in the business. By actively promoting your own Adobe connection, clients and potential clients can see that you can do everything that they think they can get at Kinkos (maybe even better). Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 11:44 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** John - I notice that you advertise your firm as an Adobe Authorized Service Provider. Do you think that the marketing pluses (whatever they might be) of doing that outweigh the minuses (whatever they might be) of advertising a company that's decided to become Kinko's uncle and offer your customers and prospects an easy way to direct business away from you? Yes, I'm pissed - just like I'd expect my customers to be if I did something like that to them. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of John Henry Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 10:54 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Barry RPI and top 100 Importance: High ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Just reading QP mag and saw that old Barry has sold RPI. "RPI, which was #14 with sales of $10.6 million, dropped out at the request of owner Barry Reischling who explained that the company was sold last September and has "effectively discontinued all commercial printing operations." I guess congratulations are in order to Barry for his sale and many others here on the list that made the cut. A neat fact to me is that if you have sales of $7 million and above you would make the Printers Impressions 400 largest printers in the USA and that 24 of the QP list make that list. So although we face major competition and claims of 30,000 printers, only 500 printers (who report sales) in the USA have sales above $2.5 million John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for First, Second and Standard Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/854 - Release Date: 6/19/2007 1:12 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mail at myprinter.biz Wed Jun 20 17:16:13 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Wed Jun 20 17:16:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 In-Reply-To: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D50154C2A@mail1.datapalette.local> Message-ID: "Do you think an owner of McDonalds will refuse to take his kids to Disney World because Burger King is doing a promotion with Disney? The new Transformer movie coming out next month has a promotional deal with GM that uses GM products exclusively as Transformers. Does that mean that a Chrysler dealer shouldn't see the movie?" Andrew Andrew - When the questions are framed that way, my answers would be "No" to all of them. What are yours when the questions are reframed this way: Should the owner of a McDonalds question the wisdom of advertising Disney World if Disney World were actively engaged in directing that owner's customers and prospects to Burger Kings - and offering to give them a free ride there at the same time? Should the owner of a Chrysler dealership have questions about the wisdom of advertising the movie "Transformers" if that movie were to encourage the dealership's customers and prospects to buy at GM dealers - and offering to give them a free ride there at the same time? Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Andrew LeWinter Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 5:02 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** My attitude in the future will be dependent on the conditions at that time. My current attitude is that all the advertising in the world can get someone in Kinko's door, but their current level of service will not keep the clients around. That is why I think it is important that customers know that as a member of the ASN, I can accept any files that could have been sent to Kinko's via the one-click method. I would be concerned that with out using the Adobe name, some clients might assume that I am not capable of producing the work they produce in Acrobat. As long as Adobe is the standard accepted by customers, I not only play ball with them, I use Adobe to my advantage. When there is a significant alternative to Adobe, I will reevaluate the situation. Do you think an owner of McDonalds will refuse to take his kids to Disney World because Burger King is doing a promotion with Disney? The new Transformer movie coming out next month has a promotional deal with GM that uses GM products exclusively as Transformers. Does that mean that a Chrysler dealer shouldn't see the movie? Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 1:03 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Andrew - Thanks for your opinion. For myself, I really don't give a rat's patoot whether or not Abode is a major influence in "the business." I'm in this "for the money" and care only about whether or not non-Kinko's print/copy shops advertising the Adobe name is going to benefit Kinko's at my expense. Out of curiousity, what will your attitude be when Fedex/Kinko's begins it's multi-million dollar national TV and newpaper ad campaign telling your customers and prospects about how easy it is to use Adobe to send their printing to Kinko's? Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Andrew LeWinter Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:42 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Dan, I understand your ire. But the reality is that Adobe is a major influence in the business. By actively promoting your own Adobe connection, clients and potential clients can see that you can do everything that they think they can get at Kinkos (maybe even better). Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 11:44 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** John - I notice that you advertise your firm as an Adobe Authorized Service Provider. Do you think that the marketing pluses (whatever they might be) of doing that outweigh the minuses (whatever they might be) of advertising a company that's decided to become Kinko's uncle and offer your customers and prospects an easy way to direct business away from you? Yes, I'm pissed - just like I'd expect my customers to be if I did something like that to them. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of John Henry Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 10:54 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Barry RPI and top 100 Importance: High ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Just reading QP mag and saw that old Barry has sold RPI. "RPI, which was #14 with sales of $10.6 million, dropped out at the request of owner Barry Reischling who explained that the company was sold last September and has "effectively discontinued all commercial printing operations." I guess congratulations are in order to Barry for his sale and many others here on the list that made the cut. A neat fact to me is that if you have sales of $7 million and above you would make the Printers Impressions 400 largest printers in the USA and that 24 of the QP list make that list. So although we face major competition and claims of 30,000 printers, only 500 printers (who report sales) in the USA have sales above $2.5 million John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for First, Second and Standard Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/854 - Release Date: 6/19/2007 1:12 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jedwards at printzilla.net Wed Jun 20 17:38:32 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Wed Jun 20 17:40:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's In-Reply-To: <4679A0DB.8090009@mobile-print.com> References: <20070620193502.0F4658FBE8E@rb.enter.net> <4679A0DB.8090009@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: <37A82F07-B08A-4200-8681-8F17F354E3BC@printzilla.net> On Jun 20, 2007, at 4:49 PM, Russ Peters wrote: > > Using the Adobe logo/affiliation in marketing materials just that - > marketing. It ties your firm in with a big-time player That's what I was saying. Now, wait til Kinkos takes advantage of your free image dispatching service, hitting you up for those hi-rez images and vector files you've been cataloging, archiving and maintaining for the last 20 years. The ones that your (now their) customer can never find. Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North From craig at newhavenprint.com Wed Jun 20 17:49:03 2007 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Wed Jun 20 17:49:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070620214914.4B7708FCA8B@rb.enter.net> > If you could have your name there, instead of Kinko's, > wouldn't you, and wouldn't you be basking in the legitimacy - > whether real or imagined - that would confer on you in the > eyes of your customers and prospects? > Dan > Sir Speedy Printing Center > 5845 Hollywood Boulevard > Hollywood, FL 33021 I also appreciate this discussion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and business practices. And I'll be the first to admit to having stupid ideas occassionally. It challenges you to think when you hear everyone's opinions, whether they align with yours or not. Anyway, as far as having your name in front of the customers, you can do that now. Pretty much every customer we have that doesn't use professional desktop publishing software (Adobe, Quark), we have install our "Adobe" PDF JobReady print driver. Then no matter what program they're in, they just pick "Print", then "send to newhavenprint.com" and presto, they're looking at a pdf proof on their screen. If it's OK, they click accept and we have the file transferred to our web site. Our local Hilton Hotel uses software called Menu Pro 11 or something like that. The PDF JobReady capability got us their account. They called Kinkos and several other places first and nobody could use their files. This has really locked in some customers and built loyalty. With our ad agency customers, we supply custom web portals (Printer Presence) where they can easily upload their stuffed files or pdf's. All their information is automatically filled in when they log on to "their" site. It makes file transfers, estimates and other correspondence easy. Some of you already have much more sophisticated web to print applications. I think Scott is using Printer's Plan Key Customers that seems really impressive. Web to Print is something we're taking seriously and hope to improve on by the end of the year. The printing business is really changing fast. It's great that we have forums to bounce ideas off people and even complain when we're having a crappy day. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From Printernot at aol.com Wed Jun 20 17:55:24 2007 From: Printernot at aol.com (Printernot@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 20 17:55:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 Message-ID: Dan,you're certainly entitled to be upset with what Adobe is doing. It does have the potential to cost you some business. Unlike the opinions of others, I think Kinko's does not screw up as often as claimed. Their per store sales are much higher than the rest of the industry. If they screwed up so much they surely wouldn't be keeping good customers. And they must have some good clients to have their sales volume. However, if you don't continue to advertise Adobe you could be compounding the problem. The customers that do get poor service from Kinko's may be looking for another Adobe service provider. If they don't see your shop as offering Adobe, they may look elsewhere. It may be likely the type of work you'll lose is not the type you would want anyway. The higher end clients are likely more sophisticated and not swayed by having a button to send their printing to Kinko's. As with other things beyond our control, this is just an obstacle you will need to overcome. You seem like an intelligent businessman and you shouldn't let your irritation with Adobe cause you to do anything that will be harmful "just on principle". Don Byers Colorado Springs, CO ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From k_graham at hotmail.com Wed Jun 20 19:35:58 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Wed Jun 20 19:36:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon 7095 References: Message-ID: > Your post confuses me, though that's not an unusual state of affairs. > While I might be misinterpreting you, you appear to be making comments > about > my reasons for my "caution[ing] everybody except my most-hated competitors > about doing business with Canon" without inquiring about why that's so, > which is perfectly within your rights to do - do I really need to add, "in > my opinion?" > Hi Dan; A friend that was at one time a policeman once told me if you want to call someone a fraud and a cheat to phrase it. "In my opinion" ie "In my opinion Ikons service policys of delaying service on my copiers to up to 390% are fraudulent", thus causing all sorts of lost business on my Canon, Ricoh, and Konica Minolta ccp500 machine. Thus if a judge disagrees it can still be your opinion and not slander. Ikon on the one hand could fix this by stating it was a error on the part of one location and refund me copious amounts of money. Instead they have delayed my small claims Court case with them for 2 years, 3 dates so far unavailable. When we went to the preliminary hearing we were arguing the case via teleconferencing with their lawyer in a large city near hear, and a Ikon lawyer and judge from Atlanta were on the line, therefore it would appear to me the local dealer has all the backing of the U.S. head office."In my Opinion" And part of the proof in photos is on line at http://groups.google.com/group/ColorCopier/browse_thread/thread/1a3de76d9c7b1f6e , click on photos to see the large view. I ask every one trying and refusingg a Ikon Konica Minolta 500 to forward the information from the above group as one reason why, with enough complaints perhaps Ikon will realize the individual has power. Whats your problem with Canon, or was it a lack of service issue like ours, feel free to email off line if you prefer? Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Jun 20 19:50:29 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Jun 20 19:50:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0706201650j4aa839e8m629e487c346fea54@mail.gmail.com> On 6/20/07, Printernot@aol.com wrote: > > The higher end clients are likely more sophisticated and not swayed > by having a button to send their printing to Kinko's. There's that "Kinko's customers are undesirable customers" bullsh**t again. The typical office worker in almost every company -- high end and low end -- is likely to send us files. And Kinko's owns their top-of-mind awareness. And while we're mailing and selling to the "decision makers," lots of these office people are still sending their files to the only place they know, namely F___K. Easy picking for them. I know that even some of my loyal accounts use Kinko's for some things -- it's a perception thing: we get their "high-end" work, and some stuff goes to F___K because they "don't want to bother us" with it, or think we're going to be more expensive, or for some other cockamamie reason. The easier it is for them to send a job to F___K, the harder we have to work at getting a piece of that mindshare. Oh, and there's that other wishful thinking that's bandied about too much: that Kinko's can get them there once, but will lose them because they will surely bungle the job. Get real, folks: F___K is a formidable competitor who takes a sizable piece of the pie in every market they're in. Okay, if you got a good and unique niche, you're less likely to notice them, but let's not close our eyes to the challenge they pose to the many. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Jun 20 20:17:03 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 20 20:17:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] oooops! Re: 4C Copying/Printing Scenarios Needed Message-ID: oooops! I must be getting old, because when I was writing the request for scenarios it was my intention to attach a sample format, but then again, whether I forgot or not the attachment wouldn't have gone through on Printowners. I probably will repost the email and the attachment on PONG tomorrow. It is very important to look at the attachment because it illustrates what we want or intend to do with each scenario and that is next to each quantity (1-side and 2-sided) price block we will be adding an additional box where a number from 1-9 can be entered to indicate or signify the most likely process used, quoted and priced for that specific quantity.... we will have some folks use the same number say #3 (3=med. speed digital color copier) and will use that for all prices from 250 through 5M.... others might quote up to 1M on #3, and then indicate another process (including brokering) for higher quantities.... I was thinking that I had attached that and in fact just got after someone privately for not reading the attachment when I realized there was no attachment. Maybe I will post a special direct link to a webpage where I can show you what I mean. Sorry. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) By Larry Hunt & John Stewart _www.printshopsforsale.net_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 CELL: 321-794-6259 "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From bcreighton at danielsprinting.us Wed Jun 20 22:49:02 2007 From: bcreighton at danielsprinting.us (Bill Creighton) Date: Wed Jun 20 22:49:20 2007 Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: RE: [PrintOwners] Lemonade - was Adobe/Kinko's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4679E71E.5010906@danielsprinting.us> Hey Ken, sent my manual back, please. Thanks, Bill Communicar@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Dan, > > Thanks for your prayer. Sometimes a lifechanging event changes how one looks > at things. You can ask all the why's and complain and vent, and in the end it > is still what it is. So you move on. > > I realized there are some things you can change, and a whole lot you have no > control over. Expending your energy on the things you can't control or change > is wasting your time and resources. > > I can't say the AK alliance is good for me, but I can promote that we can do > the same things, and have a case study from our clients printed, detailing how > our local business with expertise and experience ran circles around a > corporate supplier with deep pockets and no expertise. And don't assume that just > because it's there that everyone will use it. A lot of people like the hand > holding, the "show you how' service that we can provide, and the knowledgeable > voice who can answer their questions. > > Start marketing that when FK doesn't deliver, we can. > > I don't really see Adobe as a "partner'. I joined ASN because of the benefits > for me. They're in business to make money. I choose to use their products to > make money, and can leave them if and when I choose. I can't change what Adobe > does, or who they partner with. It helps to be aware of stuff like this, so > you can be as prepared as possible in the selling process. > > Thanks to everyone who contributes to this and other forums. > > Ken Azebu > Communicart Graphics & Printing > 499 Aldo Avenue > Santa Clara, CA 95054 > Tel (408) 970-0922 > Fax (408) 970-8630 > Communicar@aol.com > > > In a message dated 6/20/07 1:28:06 PM, mail@myprinter.biz writes: > > << You have some good thoughts, but I wonder if any of you could honestly > claim that what Adobe's done with Kinko's is a good thing for you. > > > If so, how is it going to benefit you to have Adobe encouraging your > customers and prospects to take their business to your competitors? > > > If it's not a good thing for you, maybe you consider it to be neutral, and > that's okay. > > > I also wonder if any of you could honestly claim that what Adobe's done with > Kinko's doesn't make you view Adobe as a lot less your partner than they are > Kinko's partner. >> > >


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See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- Bill Creighton Daniels Printing 2141 Priest Bridge Drive #5 Crofton, MD 21114 301.261.3426 bcreighton@danielsprinting.us From mike at arborprinting.com Thu Jun 21 00:24:09 2007 From: mike at arborprinting.com (mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Thu Jun 21 00:24:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 References: <98f5b19a0706201650j4aa839e8m629e487c346fea54@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001801c7b3bc$03ce3e20$0100a8c0@den> Well said, and pretty accurate I'm afraid. Michael Shuta Arbor printing & Graphics, Inc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Vogel" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On 6/20/07, Printernot@aol.com wrote: > > > > The higher end clients are likely more sophisticated and not swayed > > by having a button to send their printing to Kinko's. > > There's that "Kinko's customers are undesirable customers" bullsh**t > again. The typical office worker in almost every company -- high end > and low end -- is likely to send us files. And Kinko's owns their > top-of-mind awareness. And while we're mailing and selling to the > "decision makers," lots of these office people are still sending their > files to the only place they know, namely F___K. Easy picking for > them. I know that even some of my loyal accounts use Kinko's for some > things -- it's a perception thing: we get their "high-end" work, and > some stuff goes to F___K because they "don't want to bother us" with > it, or think we're going to be more expensive, or for some other > cockamamie reason. The easier it is for them to send a job to F___K, > the harder we have to work at getting a piece of that mindshare. > > Oh, and there's that other wishful thinking that's bandied about too > much: that Kinko's can get them there once, but will lose them because > they will surely bungle the job. Get real, folks: F___K is a > formidable competitor who takes a sizable piece of the pie in every > market they're in. Okay, if you got a good and unique niche, you're > less likely to notice them, but let's not close our eyes to the > challenge they pose to the many. > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~ Lord Bacon > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mail at myprinter.biz Thu Jun 21 07:46:54 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Thu Jun 21 07:46:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Don - Very thoughtful post on your part. When you mention that "if you don't continue to advertise Adobe you could be compounding the problem," in our case - and in the case of many others, according to John Stewart - we don't, never have, and now probably never will advertise that we're an Adobe Service Provider, even though we are. We're also a Publisher Service Provider, and we don't advertise that, either. When you state, "If they don't see your shop as offering Adobe, they may look elsewhere," that made me curious. So, I just scanned the almost five pages of ads for printers in the greater Ft. Lauderdale Yellow pages, and not one of them - including Kinko's - advertises itself there as an ASP. Further, we've NEVER had a client ask us if we're an ASP. Most of them wouldn't have the vaguest idea what that meant, anyway, and I'm thinking that's probably also true for the vast majority of the clients for most of the owners on this list - Scott C and certain others being the exceptions. Our client's concerns are always "can you do" or "can you help me with," and, since the answer's virtually always "Yes," almost regardless of the platform or application program, they couldn't care less how we pull off what they want - incantations would do. I'm not irritated at Adobe - you know it really is possible to be pissed off at a vendor and not be irritated about it - and I have no intention of doing anything that's self-injurious "just on principle." I'm neither agonizing about nor losing any sleep over any of this. I'm only in this for the money and am positive that's we're going to continue to thrive, regardless of how this plays out. My sole concern is that I might get nicked by the ricochet when some of my fellow print shop owners shoot themselves in the foot by advertising their partnership with a firm that's both shoving Kinko's name in the faces of all of our customers and prospects and making it very easy for those customers and prospects to send their business elsewhere. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Printernot@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 5:55 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Dan,you're certainly entitled to be upset with what Adobe is doing. It does have the potential to cost you some business. Unlike the opinions of others, I think Kinko's does not screw up as often as claimed. Their per store sales are much higher than the rest of the industry. If they screwed up so much they surely wouldn't be keeping good customers. And they must have some good clients to have their sales volume. However, if you don't continue to advertise Adobe you could be compounding the problem. The customers that do get poor service from Kinko's may be looking for another Adobe service provider. If they don't see your shop as offering Adobe, they may look elsewhere. It may be likely the type of work you'll lose is not the type you would want anyway. The higher end clients are likely more sophisticated and not swayed by having a button to send their printing to Kinko's. As with other things beyond our control, this is just an obstacle you will need to overcome. You seem like an intelligent businessman and you shouldn't let your irritation with Adobe cause you to do anything that will be harmful "just on principle". Don Byers Colorado Springs, CO ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From alewinter at datapalette.com Thu Jun 21 08:05:43 2007 From: alewinter at datapalette.com (Andrew LeWinter) Date: Thu Jun 21 08:03:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] qkconsult@aol.com References: Message-ID: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D50154C39@mail1.datapalette.local> 300 copies, 24 page, self cover, 8-1/2 x 11, 80# gloss text, 4 color throughout, book fold, saddle stitch, 72 hour delivery. Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 3:18 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] 4C Copying/Printing Scenarios Needed ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Folks, I need your help. Sooner, rather than later, we will be publishing a new pricing study on 4C, but unlike in the past, the new study will recognize and take into account the blurring of what types of devices jobs are being run on.... within a broad quantity range, many, many jobs are being produced on a vast array of devices ranging from digital color copiers to IGens, DIs and traditional 2 & 4C presses.... we are going to survey prices and then break out prices as well as to the type of devices. Right now, what I am most in need of are some samples of the most typical, real-world job scenarios... I'm not interested 10 copies each of 12 originals, etc.... but rather color copying and printing jobs that really account for some big dollars in the range of say $300 to $3,000 or thereabouts! I am looking for real-world scenarios that you consider good jobs, that are somewhat common to your shop that you produce and are looking for.... Here's just one scenario I have planned... "4C 9 x 12 Coated Text. Total charges to produce this job at the indicated quantities in the time frame allotted. Please remember to indicate the production method used: Stock: 100# Gloss Text, #1 sheet Bleed: Yes Quality Level: Pleasing Must be completed within: 72 hours" The quantities we will be surveying (at present) will range from 250 to 5M, 1-side and 2-sides. When the survey is conducted, we will remove all variables such as file charges, bindery, other than trimming to finished size, etc.... What I am looking for from some of you folks are some of the more real world types of jobs that are big money makers for you whether it is primarily on color copiers or primarily on 4/5 color presses. I know I will not be able to satisfy all, but we will do our best and we have some surprises in store that I think will please many, including special matrices dedicated strictly towards color copying in three different breakouts... retail, commercial and bid categories. Send me your very typical jobs, or the jobs you like to handle.... At this point I am not looking for large multi-original, short run jobs, but rather those types of jobs that could in reality be put on a variety of machines.... Try to follow the format I have suggested and send them privately to me.... you will be fully credited for your suggestions. Thanks so much. I will also try to share as much as I can as we proceed with this project. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu Jun 21 08:36:57 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 21 08:38:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 4C Copying/Printing Scenarios Needed Message-ID: In a message dated 6/20/2007 3:44:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com writes: I hope that you'll be including those large multi-original jobs as well, since it is a new category (of color) that was virtually nonexistant before the ubiquity of the current generation of production color devices. give me a couple of real world type jobs... not rounded off, but real jobs that constitute significant jobs in a shop like yours..... where you might bid retail, commercial or discount levels depending upon customer, etc. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu Jun 21 08:40:26 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 21 08:40:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] qkconsult@aol.com Message-ID: In a message dated 6/21/2007 8:04:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, alewinter@datapalette.com writes: 300 copies, 24 page, self cover, 8-1/2 x 11, 80# gloss text, 4 color throughout, book fold, saddle stitch, 72 hour delivery. Thanks... but is finished size 8.5 x 11 or 5.5 x 8.5? No wonder customers get confused? Curious for those who have them.... is this the type of job that could be processed competitively on either an Igen or Indigo as well? John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From mail at myprinter.biz Thu Jun 21 09:04:30 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Thu Jun 21 09:04:21 2007 Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: RE: [PrintOwners] Lemonade - was Adobe/Kinko's In-Reply-To: <4679E71E.5010906@danielsprinting.us> Message-ID: I joined ASN because of the benefits > for me. They're in business to make money. I choose to use their products to > make money, and can leave them if and when I choose. I can't change what Adobe > does, or who they partner with. Ken Ken & others - I'm not sure why folks keep bringing up the issue of whether or not they/we should continue to use Adobe's products or be Adobe Service Providers to gain whatever benefits both of those things might entail. There's no way any of us are going to stop using Adobe products or cease being ASPs if there are benefits that derive from doing that. This thread started with my question about whether the benefits of ADVERTISING the Adobe name outweighed the potential detriments of doing that now that Adobe's doing the Kinko's thing. For those of you that are ADVERTISING Adobe's name: The woman you're telling everybody is your partner is not only openly sleeping with one of your competitors, the out-bound message on her answering machine also tells all of the other girls in town what a great lay he is and offers to connect them directly to his phone if they'll just push the "#" button. I was just wondering if it's really in your best interests to continue to spend money to tell everybody that she's still your partner. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Bill Creighton Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 10:49 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: RE: [PrintOwners] Lemonade - was Adobe/Kinko's ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hey Ken, sent my manual back, please. Thanks, Bill Communicar@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Dan, > > Thanks for your prayer. Sometimes a lifechanging event changes how one looks > at things. You can ask all the why's and complain and vent, and in the end it > is still what it is. So you move on. > > I realized there are some things you can change, and a whole lot you have no > control over. Expending your energy on the things you can't control or change > is wasting your time and resources. > > I can't say the AK alliance is good for me, but I can promote that we can do > the same things, and have a case study from our clients printed, detailing how > our local business with expertise and experience ran circles around a > corporate supplier with deep pockets and no expertise. And don't assume that just > because it's there that everyone will use it. A lot of people like the hand > holding, the "show you how' service that we can provide, and the knowledgeable > voice who can answer their questions. > > Start marketing that when FK doesn't deliver, we can. > > I don't really see Adobe as a "partner'. I joined ASN because of the benefits > for me. They're in business to make money. I choose to use their products to > make money, and can leave them if and when I choose. I can't change what Adobe > does, or who they partner with. It helps to be aware of stuff like this, so > you can be as prepared as possible in the selling process. > > Thanks to everyone who contributes to this and other forums. > > Ken Azebu > Communicart Graphics & Printing > 499 Aldo Avenue > Santa Clara, CA 95054 > Tel (408) 970-0922 > Fax (408) 970-8630 > Communicar@aol.com > > > In a message dated 6/20/07 1:28:06 PM, mail@myprinter.biz writes: > > << You have some good thoughts, but I wonder if any of you could honestly > claim that what Adobe's done with Kinko's is a good thing for you. > > > If so, how is it going to benefit you to have Adobe encouraging your > customers and prospects to take their business to your competitors? > > > If it's not a good thing for you, maybe you consider it to be neutral, and > that's okay. > > > I also wonder if any of you could honestly claim that what Adobe's done with > Kinko's doesn't make you view Adobe as a lot less your partner than they are > Kinko's partner. >> > >


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See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- Bill Creighton Daniels Printing 2141 Priest Bridge Drive #5 Crofton, MD 21114 301.261.3426 bcreighton@danielsprinting.us _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From alewinter at datapalette.com Thu Jun 21 09:07:36 2007 From: alewinter at datapalette.com (Andrew LeWinter) Date: Thu Jun 21 09:05:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 References: Message-ID: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D50154C3F@mail1.datapalette.local> The way you have framed your question is not addressing your original point in the same way. The original point was whether I as a printer should promote my own co-branding with Adobe even though it is not exclusive to me. In your new scenario, McDonalds has no reason to advertise Disney World since there is no promotional relationship between them. But the McDonalds owner who takes his kids to Disney World is putting money into Disney's pockets, much as we as printers put money in Adobe's pocket. The difference is that we get a business benefit from Adobe's product, where the McDonalds owner does not. The fact remains that if Adobe's action so infuriates you, then ditch the software and use any alternative available. But as long as you have a dependence (however limited), I think it is to your advantage to promote how it helps you serve your customer. Promote a download link on your website. Sign up with My Order Desk. (Note to Steve C.: Any way to develop a plug-in for Acrobat that would allow our customers to send to us directly from Acrobat?) Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 5:16 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** "Do you think an owner of McDonalds will refuse to take his kids to Disney World because Burger King is doing a promotion with Disney? The new Transformer movie coming out next month has a promotional deal with GM that uses GM products exclusively as Transformers. Does that mean that a Chrysler dealer shouldn't see the movie?" Andrew Andrew - When the questions are framed that way, my answers would be "No" to all of them. What are yours when the questions are reframed this way: Should the owner of a McDonalds question the wisdom of advertising Disney World if Disney World were actively engaged in directing that owner's customers and prospects to Burger Kings - and offering to give them a free ride there at the same time? From jacemeister at gmail.com Thu Jun 21 09:07:08 2007 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Thu Jun 21 09:07:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 In-Reply-To: <20070620193502.0F4658FBE8E@rb.enter.net> References: <20070620193502.0F4658FBE8E@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: ............. What kills me is when I hear so many people talking about brokering their printing to 4/over or VistaPrint or the typesetting company in India. Am I the only one who thinks that's just feeding the beast? Craig Dellinger Craig, I promise I'm not trying to be a smarta$$ , but I found it ironic to have run across this: *http://tinyurl.com/rxq* Scroll about halfway down and read where Adobe has laid off its entire Tier 3 support staff (many from Scott's town) and sending those jobs to India. It appears Adobe likes that idea about sending work to India . -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com From craig at newhavenprint.com Thu Jun 21 09:10:48 2007 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Thu Jun 21 09:11:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] qkconsult@aol.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070621131105.844548FFD84@rb.enter.net> > alewinter@datapalette.com writes: > 300 copies, 24 page, self cover, 8-1/2 x 11, 80# gloss text, > 4 color throughout, book fold, saddle stitch, 72 hour delivery. > > Thanks... but is finished size 8.5 x 11 or 5.5 x 8.5? No > wonder customers get confused? Curious for those who have > them.... is this the type of job that could be processed > competitively on either an Igen or Indigo as well? > John Stewart This sounds like another great topic. Running this on the iGen (as 11x17 spreads), we'd end up a little under $2000 for the finished job (more than double that offset). We'd have about $250 in click charges and less than $80 in stock. Figuring ripping, imposition, running on the iGen and bindery, it shouldn't take much more than 2 hours. It's a different world pricing these digital jobs. We based our offset pricing system on BHR's and figured a fair profit on the work. The potential for profit on digital seems so much higher. Does it make sense to try and figure BHR's on high volume digital machines? We're finding that the run lengths need to be well over 1000 to be more economical to run on press. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From craig at newhavenprint.com Thu Jun 21 09:24:18 2007 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Thu Jun 21 09:24:35 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070621132434.0992C8FFEB8@rb.enter.net> > Craig, > I promise I'm not trying to be a smarta$$ , but I found it > ironic to have run across this: > *http://tinyurl.com/rxq* > Scroll about halfway down and read where Adobe has laid off > its entire Tier > 3 support staff (many from Scott's town) and sending those > jobs to India. > It appears Adobe likes that idea about sending work to India . > Jace Prejean Yep, that's really sad. Hopefully Tier 3 support doesn't include our priority ASN tech lines. Looking at the glass half full ideal, maybe this will cause more customers to rely on us (the local Adobe experts) to help them with issues which then builds customer loyalty and dependence? I'll duck and run now. As far as co-branding, we don't advertise for Adobe on anything other than our co-sponsored seminars. And a label on our door. And a few golf shirts they gave me. Same goes for Xerox. We're a Xerox Premier Partner. They have all kinds of brochures, business cards, etc. with their Premier Partner logo on it and you're supposed to put your logo and address on their templates and run with it. I'm not seeing that happening here either. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu Jun 21 09:49:09 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 21 09:49:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Link to proposed pricing scenarios Message-ID: I'm sorry about the post yesterday and forgetting totally to add a link or demo what I was talking about. For those who would like to take a quick look at what we are proposing to do for part of the 4C pricing survey you can follow the link below. Be sure to use refresh if you've visited recently. _http://www.quickconsultant.com/Pricingsurveyscenarios.htm_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/Pricingsurveyscenarios.htm) Don't worry, if you visit the above page there's no advertising and no pressure to buy our new, fantastic, informative, easy-to-read book titled, "Print Shop For Sale." Although we do think that, at the very least, you ought to buy at least a dozen copies, shrink wrap them, and then send them to your competitors. Imagine the consternation, confusion and uproar you can cause by sending an addressed, but poly-wrapped book to your competitors... and when it arrives with that title on it glaring through the wrapping there are going to be more than a few rumors spreading in minutes... "the boss is selling,... its time to look for a new job,... wonder why he never told us he was selling,... I wonder how many days we have left before he closes.... Guess it's time to update the old resume...." Generally speaking, sending this book to an unsuspecting competitor could cause exactly the kind of havoc most of us wish upon our competitors, or am I the only one that would like to see them sucked into a huge sinkhole. How much fun would it be to be around watching the owner vehemently deny he order the book at all! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From mail at myprinter.biz Thu Jun 21 09:50:37 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Thu Jun 21 09:50:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 In-Reply-To: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D50154C3F@mail1.datapalette.local> Message-ID: "The way you have framed your question is not addressing your original point in the same way." Andrew Andrew - I didn't pick the McDonald's/Burger King and Chrylser/GM analogies: You did, and if they weren't exactly "on point," that would seem to call for improvements on your part, not mine. All I was doing is reframing your questions in a way that most closely resembled my original question. Also, I think it will better inform this discussion if all of you STOP suggesting that we that don't like the Adobe/Kinko's thing cease using Adobe's products. That wasn't the issue I raised, isn't the issue now (for me anyway), and won't ever be at any time in the foreseeable future - and you might as well tell people in LA to stop breathing if they don't like the smog. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Andrew LeWinter Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:08 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** The way you have framed your question is not addressing your original point in the same way. The original point was whether I as a printer should promote my own co-branding with Adobe even though it is not exclusive to me. In your new scenario, McDonalds has no reason to advertise Disney World since there is no promotional relationship between them. But the McDonalds owner who takes his kids to Disney World is putting money into Disney's pockets, much as we as printers put money in Adobe's pocket. The difference is that we get a business benefit from Adobe's product, where the McDonalds owner does not. The fact remains that if Adobe's action so infuriates you, then ditch the software and use any alternative available. But as long as you have a dependence (however limited), I think it is to your advantage to promote how it helps you serve your customer. Promote a download link on your website. Sign up with My Order Desk. (Note to Steve C.: Any way to develop a plug-in for Acrobat that would allow our customers to send to us directly from Acrobat?) Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 5:16 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** "Do you think an owner of McDonalds will refuse to take his kids to Disney World because Burger King is doing a promotion with Disney? The new Transformer movie coming out next month has a promotional deal with GM that uses GM products exclusively as Transformers. Does that mean that a Chrysler dealer shouldn't see the movie?" Andrew Andrew - When the questions are framed that way, my answers would be "No" to all of them. What are yours when the questions are reframed this way: Should the owner of a McDonalds question the wisdom of advertising Disney World if Disney World were actively engaged in directing that owner's customers and prospects to Burger Kings - and offering to give them a free ride there at the same time? _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu Jun 21 09:53:02 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 21 09:54:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] qkconsult@aol.com Message-ID: In a message dated 6/21/2007 9:14:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, craig@newhavenprint.com writes: This sounds like another great topic. Running this on the iGen (as 11x17 spreads), we'd end up a little under $2000 for the finished job (more than double that offset). We'd have about $250 in click charges and less than $80 in stock. Figuring ripping, imposition, running on the iGen and bindery, it shouldn't take much more than 2 hours. It's a different world pricing these digital jobs. We based our offset pricing system on BHR's and figured a fair profit on the work. The potential for profit on digital seems so much higher. Does it make sense to try and figure BHR's on high volume digital machines? We're finding that the run lengths need to be well over 1000 to be more economical to run on press. Craig, this is exactly the type of feedback I am looking for as well.... these "cross-over" type jobs that can be run in various methods at obviously very different pricing points. If we get some good participation on this survey, we should be able to provide some fantastic data in return... up to an including pricing based upon walk-in, bid and contract, all of which we will define before asking for appropriate discount levels, etc. Check this link out for a sample of what I am talking about: _http://www.quickconsultant.com/Pricingsurveyscenarios.htm_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/Pricingsurveyscenarios.htm) John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From bob at rjmprinting.com Thu Jun 21 09:47:57 2007 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Thu Jun 21 09:57:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 In-Reply-To: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D50154C3F@mail1.datapalette.local> Message-ID: Just FYI, I know that Franchise Services, Inc., franchisor of Sir Speedy and PIP has sent a formal letter of protest to Adobe. While they don't expect it to do much good, considering the amount of money FedEX Kinko's is probably paying Adobe, but at least they have it on record. Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Andrew LeWinter Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 8:08 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** The way you have framed your question is not addressing your original point in the same way. The original point was whether I as a printer should promote my own co-branding with Adobe even though it is not exclusive to me. In your new scenario, McDonalds has no reason to advertise Disney World since there is no promotional relationship between them. But the McDonalds owner who takes his kids to Disney World is putting money into Disney's pockets, much as we as printers put money in Adobe's pocket. The difference is that we get a business benefit from Adobe's product, where the McDonalds owner does not. The fact remains that if Adobe's action so infuriates you, then ditch the software and use any alternative available. But as long as you have a dependence (however limited), I think it is to your advantage to promote how it helps you serve your customer. Promote a download link on your website. Sign up with My Order Desk. (Note to Steve C.: Any way to develop a plug-in for Acrobat that would allow our customers to send to us directly from Acrobat?) Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 5:16 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** "Do you think an owner of McDonalds will refuse to take his kids to Disney World because Burger King is doing a promotion with Disney? The new Transformer movie coming out next month has a promotional deal with GM that uses GM products exclusively as Transformers. Does that mean that a Chrysler dealer shouldn't see the movie?" Andrew Andrew - When the questions are framed that way, my answers would be "No" to all of them. What are yours when the questions are reframed this way: Should the owner of a McDonalds question the wisdom of advertising Disney World if Disney World were actively engaged in directing that owner's customers and prospects to Burger Kings - and offering to give them a free ride there at the same time? _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu Jun 21 09:58:48 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu Jun 21 09:58:55 2007 Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: RE: [PrintOwners] Lemonade - was Adobe/Kinko's In-Reply-To: References: <4679E71E.5010906@danielsprinting.us> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0706210658n335b1dfew96e1d630720e7cae@mail.gmail.com> On 6/21/07, mail@myprinter.biz wrote: > > For those of you that are ADVERTISING Adobe's name: The woman you're > telling everybody is your partner is not only openly sleeping with one of > your competitors, the out-bound message on her answering machine also tells > all of the other girls in town what a great lay he is and offers to connect > them directly to his phone if they'll just push the "#" button. > > I was just wondering if it's really in your best interests to continue to > spend money to tell everybody that she's still your partner. Your argument is getting ever more creative. And seemingly logical. (And most definitely entertaining). And I really want to go along with it because I hate what Adobe/F___K did. But I've been swayed by the opposing view that it may be in our better interests to promote our Adobe adeptness, and attempt to preempt the F___K connection, taking some of the wind out of its sails, and letting customers know that they have options. It would be a different story if there were options to Adobe, but because we obviously don't/won't have any, we need to make the best of the awkward position we've been put in. On the positive side, this whole discussion yesterday prompted a light bulb to go off in the advertising portion of my brain, something that hasn't happened in far too long (the sad result of thinking about it for 33 years). Necessity is the mother... -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From jedwards at printzilla.net Thu Jun 21 10:17:48 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Thu Jun 21 10:20:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: RE: Lemonade (off) In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0706210658n335b1dfew96e1d630720e7cae@mail.gmail.com> References: <4679E71E.5010906@danielsprinting.us> <98f5b19a0706210658n335b1dfew96e1d630720e7cae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <348F6FE0-C943-4B39-951C-3831B1F5C5DF@printzilla.net> On Jun 21, 2007, at 8:58 AM, Michael Vogel wrote: > Necessity is the mother... > Speaking of... back in art school Cal Shenkel gave my brother-in-law two untrimmed press sheets from the cover of the famous rare and expensive Beatles butcher album. I saw them with my own eyes. Grandpa thought they were subversive and burned them. Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas From jacemeister at gmail.com Thu Jun 21 10:21:22 2007 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Thu Jun 21 10:21:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] qkconsult@aol.com In-Reply-To: <20070621131105.844548FFD84@rb.enter.net> References: <20070621131105.844548FFD84@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: > > This sounds like another great topic. Running this on the iGen (as 11x17 > spreads), we'd end up a little under $2000 for the finished job (more than > double that offset). We'd have about $250 in click charges and less than > $80 > in stock. Figuring ripping, imposition, running on the iGen and bindery, > it > shouldn't take much more than 2 hours. It's a different world pricing > these > digital jobs. We based our offset pricing system on BHR's and figured a > fair > profit on the work. The potential for profit on digital seems so much > higher. Does it make sense to try and figure BHR's on high volume digital > machines? We're finding that the run lengths need to be well over 1000 to > be > more economical to run on press. > > Craig Dellinger > New Haven Print & Copy > 7531 US 930 East > Fort Wayne, IN 46803 > 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 > www.newhavenprint.com It's a good idea to know your BHR to establish an absolute minimum price you're willing to sell for. Your market will establish what pricing it will bear, but on those jobs you REALLY want there has to be a limit to how low you're willing to go. So the short answer is, yes, it's a good idea to know your BHR. BTW, my price to print and finish this job in-line on our C500 would be $1, 533.00 retail @ 37? per click, assuming the 24 pages includes the self-cover. (Six 11x17 sigs) -- Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com From dvmonto at optonline.net Thu Jun 21 10:28:19 2007 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Thu Jun 21 10:28:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's In-Reply-To: <20070621132434.0992C8FFEB8@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: On 6/21/07 9:24 AM, "Craig Dellinger" wrote: > Looking at the glass half full ideal, maybe this > will cause more customers to rely on us (the local Adobe experts) to help > them with issues which then builds customer loyalty and dependence? (customer) "Hello, I am having a hard time saving a Publisher file to PDF so I can send it to Stinkos using Acrobat. Can you help me create the PDF so I can send it to them?" Yup that is relying on us! -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net www.sirspeedy.com/wappingersfalls Sir Speedy has added mailing services to our capabilities! Let's talk about your next project....perhaps, we can save you some time and money on your next mailing. From mail at myprinter.biz Thu Jun 21 10:33:12 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Thu Jun 21 10:32:59 2007 Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: RE: [PrintOwners] Lemonade - was Adobe/Kinko's In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0706210658n335b1dfew96e1d630720e7cae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: "Necessity is the mother..." Michael - I almost read that - possibly more appropriately - as "Necessity is a mother..." So you're just going to tease us with the thought that you got a creative advertising idea and aren't going to share it with us? Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:59 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: RE: [PrintOwners] Lemonade - was Adobe/Kinko's ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On 6/21/07, mail@myprinter.biz wrote: > > For those of you that are ADVERTISING Adobe's name: The woman you're > telling everybody is your partner is not only openly sleeping with one of > your competitors, the out-bound message on her answering machine also tells > all of the other girls in town what a great lay he is and offers to connect > them directly to his phone if they'll just push the "#" button. > > I was just wondering if it's really in your best interests to continue to > spend money to tell everybody that she's still your partner. Your argument is getting ever more creative. And seemingly logical. (And most definitely entertaining). And I really want to go along with it because I hate what Adobe/F___K did. But I've been swayed by the opposing view that it may be in our better interests to promote our Adobe adeptness, and attempt to preempt the F___K connection, taking some of the wind out of its sails, and letting customers know that they have options. It would be a different story if there were options to Adobe, but because we obviously don't/won't have any, we need to make the best of the awkward position we've been put in. On the positive side, this whole discussion yesterday prompted a light bulb to go off in the advertising portion of my brain, something that hasn't happened in far too long (the sad result of thinking about it for 33 years). Necessity is the mother... -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu Jun 21 10:35:51 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu Jun 21 10:35:54 2007 Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: RE: [PrintOwners] Lemonade - was Adobe/Kinko's In-Reply-To: References: <98f5b19a0706210658n335b1dfew96e1d630720e7cae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0706210735y1d207075u3252ad3d9282a9ce@mail.gmail.com> On 6/21/07, mail@myprinter.biz wrote: > > So you're just going to tease us with the thought that you got a creative > advertising idea and aren't going to share it with us? I'm afraid so. It's the old "If I told you, I'd have to kill you" scenario. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From mail at myprinter.biz Thu Jun 21 10:43:03 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Thu Jun 21 10:42:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bob - I was aware of this, because I'm the person that put the Adobe/Kinko's bee in Sally Coon's bonnet, and I've also protested directly to Adobe through the "Contact Us" utility on the ASP site. Maybe if enough of Adobe's other ASPs join us in complaining, the Adobe/Kinko's experiment will cease when it's next reviewed, particularly if - as I suspect - it doesn't work out all that well. I don't know if any of it it will do any good, but I'm certain that inaction can't possibly engender change. Some companies actually respond to customer's complaints, but not if they don't get them. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Bob Molacek Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:48 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Just FYI, I know that Franchise Services, Inc., franchisor of Sir Speedy and PIP has sent a formal letter of protest to Adobe. While they don't expect it to do much good, considering the amount of money FedEX Kinko's is probably paying Adobe, but at least they have it on record. Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Andrew LeWinter Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 8:08 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** The way you have framed your question is not addressing your original point in the same way. The original point was whether I as a printer should promote my own co-branding with Adobe even though it is not exclusive to me. In your new scenario, McDonalds has no reason to advertise Disney World since there is no promotional relationship between them. But the McDonalds owner who takes his kids to Disney World is putting money into Disney's pockets, much as we as printers put money in Adobe's pocket. The difference is that we get a business benefit from Adobe's product, where the McDonalds owner does not. The fact remains that if Adobe's action so infuriates you, then ditch the software and use any alternative available. But as long as you have a dependence (however limited), I think it is to your advantage to promote how it helps you serve your customer. Promote a download link on your website. Sign up with My Order Desk. (Note to Steve C.: Any way to develop a plug-in for Acrobat that would allow our customers to send to us directly from Acrobat?) Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 5:16 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** "Do you think an owner of McDonalds will refuse to take his kids to Disney World because Burger King is doing a promotion with Disney? The new Transformer movie coming out next month has a promotional deal with GM that uses GM products exclusively as Transformers. Does that mean that a Chrysler dealer shouldn't see the movie?" Andrew Andrew - When the questions are framed that way, my answers would be "No" to all of them. What are yours when the questions are reframed this way: Should the owner of a McDonalds question the wisdom of advertising Disney World if Disney World were actively engaged in directing that owner's customers and prospects to Burger Kings - and offering to give them a free ride there at the same time? _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mail at myprinter.biz Thu Jun 21 10:44:36 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Thu Jun 21 10:44:35 2007 Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: RE: [PrintOwners] Lemonade - was Adobe/Kinko's In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0706210735y1d207075u3252ad3d9282a9ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Michael - If you want to kill me, you'll have to get in line. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 10:36 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: RE: [PrintOwners] Lemonade - was Adobe/Kinko's ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On 6/21/07, mail@myprinter.biz wrote: > > So you're just going to tease us with the thought that you got a creative > advertising idea and aren't going to share it with us? I'm afraid so. It's the old "If I told you, I'd have to kill you" scenario. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From craig at newhavenprint.com Thu Jun 21 10:45:35 2007 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Thu Jun 21 10:45:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070621144546.0E4A390078D@rb.enter.net> > > Looking at the glass half full ideal, maybe this will cause more > > customers to rely on us (the local Adobe experts) to help them with > > issues which then builds customer loyalty and dependence? > > (customer) > "Hello, I am having a hard time saving a Publisher file to > PDF so I can send it to Stinkos using Acrobat. Can you help > me create the PDF so I can send it to them?" > Yup that is relying on us! > David V. Monto Yep, that's exactly what I'm talking about. IF I got that call, which would probably never happen anyway, I'd have the chance to talk to that customer, ask to quote the job, find out why they'd use Kinko's, etc. Any chance you have to sell yourself to a customer is valuable. Would you rather they just sent it to Kinko's without you even knowing a job existed? You need to take advantage of opportunities, not discourage them. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From Printernot at aol.com Thu Jun 21 10:46:24 2007 From: Printernot at aol.com (Printernot@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 21 10:48:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - was Barry RPI and top 100 Message-ID: : On 6/20/07, Printernot@aol.com wrote: > > The higher end clients are likely more sophisticated and not swayed > by having a button to send their printing to Kinko's. In a message dated 6/20/2007 5:50:54 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com responded: There's that "Kinko's customers are undesirable customers" bullsh**t again. Not exactly what I meant. The clients I was referring to are those who are already using PDF to get files to their printer. I doubt these people are going to suddenly abandon their existing relationships simply because there is a button in Acrobat. As I mentioned in my post, Kinko's certainly must have some very good clients to have their sales volume. They can't possibly be screwing up as much as some want to believe. Don Byers Colorado Springs, CO ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu Jun 21 10:54:35 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 21 10:54:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quotes for Postcards cover the pricing spectrum Message-ID: Needed to get a quote on 12,000 10pt CIS 4/0 postcards, either UV or aqueous coated, delivered uncut (i.e. we ideally wanted 4-up press sheets for imprinting later) to promote the new book by Larry and myself. So, I made a few calls, checked back of QP Magazine, went on web and the differences in prices were amazing. Ironically, major corporations I have worked with as well as printers all ask the same questions and I just shrug my shoulders and say, "because." In no special order... $981 aqueous $1,180 aqueous $700 (varnished) $984 aqueous $1,800 UV coated $615 aqueous $927 aqueous (a local trade printer) $751 aqueous $777 aqueous $751 (this one from Shanghai, China plus est'd $90 for shipping) $490 (run on 28 x 40 press UV coating standard) Overall average is: $905 Average after deleting highest and lowest: $851 Even after deleting highest and lowest, there still is a 91% difference in prices between the lowest remaining $615 and the highest remaining of $1,180. There is a 38% variance between the average and the highest and a 28% variance between the average and the lowest price (once again eliminating the outliers at both ends). Ironically, the last quote is from a firm in Orlando, and while I normally do not go with low bidders, because of convenience and rapport established during a phone call I probably will choose them. Turn around is 3-5 days. By the way, it was not my intention on getting these many quotes (2-3 would have been more normal), but I accidentally stumbled on a web bidding page where the RFQ was sent out automatically to ???? firms participating. The method of quoting prices went from purely hand written worksheets, handwritten faxes, to formal quotes to everything in between. About 3-4 printers followed up with questions as how they came out and asked if we had made a decision. Anyway, food for thought. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From kathy at mpcny.com Thu Jun 21 11:37:39 2007 From: kathy at mpcny.com (Kathy Henry) Date: Thu Jun 21 11:37:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cutter Blades In-Reply-To: References: <20070621131105.844548FFD84@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <005e01c7b41a$1a10da90$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> Miller Grinding of the Northeast areas with free pick up and drop off. The main thing they were best we have used for getting a good knife sharpened that lasted. Does anyone have a source in the Northeast? Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing kathy@mpcny.com 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/857 - Release Date: 6/20/2007 2:18 PM From info at desktopsxm.com Thu Jun 21 11:43:11 2007 From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint) Date: Thu Jun 21 11:43:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cutter Blades In-Reply-To: <005e01c7b41a$1a10da90$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> References: <20070621131105.844548FFD84@rb.enter.net> <005e01c7b41a$1a10da90$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> Message-ID: <9FD4C380-4AA0-42C9-9B26-031E4B2926B4@desktopsxm.com> In the southeast, bobs saw sharpening, Fort Lauderdale. Excellent, helpfull and good. On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:37 AM, Kathy Henry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Miller Grinding of the Northeast areas with free pick up and drop > off. > > The main thing they were best we have used for getting a good knife > sharpened that lasted. Does anyone have a source in the Northeast? > > > Kathleen Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing > kathy@mpcny.com > > 125 East First Street > PO Box 815 > Oswego, NY 13126 > (315) 343-3531 > (315) 343-3577 (fax) > (315) 532-0943 (cell) > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/857 - Release Date: > 6/20/2007 > 2:18 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu Jun 21 11:46:44 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu Jun 21 11:46:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cutter Blades In-Reply-To: <005e01c7b41a$1a10da90$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> References: <20070621131105.844548FFD84@rb.enter.net> <005e01c7b41a$1a10da90$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0706210846l55c6c2a5ne34352ca5ef6ea3a@mail.gmail.com> On 6/21/07, Kathy Henry wrote: > > Miller Grinding of the Northeast areas with free pick up and drop off. > > The main thing they were best we have used for getting a good knife > sharpened that lasted. Wow. Who wrote that?! Is that John using Kathy as a pseudonym? > Does anyone have a source in the Northeast? Valley Machine Knife, 800-628-0370, West Springfield (I think), MA I've been using them for years (all 33, I think). -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From kathy at mpcny.com Thu Jun 21 11:53:02 2007 From: kathy at mpcny.com (Kathy Henry) Date: Thu Jun 21 11:53:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cutter Blades In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0706210846l55c6c2a5ne34352ca5ef6ea3a@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070621131105.844548FFD84@rb.enter.net><005e01c7b41a$1a10da90$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> <98f5b19a0706210846l55c6c2a5ne34352ca5ef6ea3a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006201c7b41c$3fdcd6f0$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> Yep John sitting at Kathy's desk! John Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing kathy@mpcny.com 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 11:47 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Cutter Blades ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On 6/21/07, Kathy Henry wrote: > > Miller Grinding of the Northeast areas with free pick up and drop off. > > The main thing they were best we have used for getting a good knife > sharpened that lasted. Wow. Who wrote that?! Is that John using Kathy as a pseudonym? > Does anyone have a source in the Northeast? Valley Machine Knife, 800-628-0370, West Springfield (I think), MA I've been using them for years (all 33, I think). -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/857 - Release Date: 6/20/2007 2:18 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/857 - Release Date: 6/20/2007 2:18 PM From mail at myprinter.biz Thu Jun 21 11:55:00 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Thu Jun 21 11:54:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cutter Blades In-Reply-To: <9FD4C380-4AA0-42C9-9B26-031E4B2926B4@desktopsxm.com> Message-ID: Joel - I'm not sure where you are in this area, but we've used Norton Tool in Davie for over 20 years. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Joel Brint Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 11:43 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Cutter Blades ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In the southeast, bobs saw sharpening, Fort Lauderdale. Excellent, helpfull and good. On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:37 AM, Kathy Henry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Miller Grinding of the Northeast areas with free pick up and drop > off. > > The main thing they were best we have used for getting a good knife > sharpened that lasted. Does anyone have a source in the Northeast? > > > Kathleen Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing > kathy@mpcny.com > > 125 East First Street > PO Box 815 > Oswego, NY 13126 > (315) 343-3531 > (315) 343-3577 (fax) > (315) 532-0943 (cell) > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/857 - Release Date: > 6/20/2007 > 2:18 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From info at desktopsxm.com Thu Jun 21 12:04:19 2007 From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint) Date: Thu Jun 21 12:04:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cutter Blades In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <024EC368-89A3-4DE3-90AB-234EB10C8FEE@desktopsxm.com> Thanks Dan. Do you have contact details for me. I am situated on the island of St. Maarten and have to ship my blades via DHL or Fedex (don't ask costs, all I can say it is a fortune) and it is always good to have an alternative. Joel Brint Desktop Imaging St. Maarten On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:55 AM, wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Joel - > > I'm not sure where you are in this area, but we've used Norton Tool > in Davie > for over 20 years. > > Dan > Sir Speedy Printing Center > 5845 Hollywood Boulevard > Hollywood, FL 33021 > t 954.962.1309 > f 954-962-1366 > dan@myprinter.biz > www.myprinter.biz > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Joel Brint > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 11:43 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Cutter Blades > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > In the southeast, bobs saw sharpening, Fort Lauderdale. > Excellent, helpfull and good. > > > On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:37 AM, Kathy Henry wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> Miller Grinding of the Northeast areas with free pick up and drop >> off. >> >> The main thing they were best we have used for getting a good knife >> sharpened that lasted. Does anyone have a source in the Northeast? >> >> >> Kathleen Henry >> Mitchell Printing & Mailing >> kathy@mpcny.com >> >> 125 East First Street >> PO Box 815 >> Oswego, NY 13126 >> (315) 343-3531 >> (315) 343-3577 (fax) >> (315) 532-0943 (cell) >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/857 - Release Date: >> 6/20/2007 >> 2:18 PM >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Thu Jun 21 12:23:39 2007 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Thu Jun 21 12:20:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scans for DTP output problems In-Reply-To: <20070620214914.4B7708FCA8B@rb.enter.net> References: <20070620214914.4B7708FCA8B@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <28AEC71E-01F3-43AF-96CE-075872FCFCE4@bellsouth.net> We are having trouble scanning customer supplied art (hard copy) for output to our DPM. Normally, we only output files we produce, and simply shoot plates of our 3m 1190 platemaker when hard copy is provided. However, 1190 is down and we are waiting for service. We tried to scan hard copy and output it, but the quality of our scans is not acceptable. Problems with scans: 1- Solid areas of text when enlarged 400% or so, show little white dots randomly, but consistently. 2- When enlarged, text edges are not smooth, but are rough. 3- Random dots appear in the non copy areas. Scan Procedures: Using Epson Perfection 3170 (1200 dpi scanner) Scanned as a document. 8-bit greyscale 300 dpi Unsharp Mask Filter - On Histogram - Adjusted to Darken Scanned into Photoshop Cs3 Unsharp Mask Filter to Sharper Saved as a Grey scale Photoshop file Do you see anything wrong with the way we are scanning hard copy? What tips or tricks do you have for scanning text that results in clean copy? Thanks for any help offered! Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 From jdaghir at gmail.com Thu Jun 21 12:24:43 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Thu Jun 21 12:24:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scary and maybe not legal In-Reply-To: <000001c7b33b$51b88cc0$f529a640$@com> References: <000001c7b33b$51b88cc0$f529a640$@com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620706210924w52a3db1ai4a9aac4a08e6fec0@mail.gmail.com> I'm sure some of the larger mailers on the list could clairify this, but I believe it is perfectly acceptable - and common - to co-mingle first class mailings. As I understand it this is exactly how a presort house makes its profit - they combine several smaller mailings into one large mailing which then qualifies for a lower rate. Some of the savings from the lower rate is passed on to the customers and the rest of the savings is retained by the presort house as profit. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com > Vista Print is into mailing now. My reading is they are in violation of USPS > rules, co mingling mail. From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Thu Jun 21 12:39:53 2007 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Thu Jun 21 12:40:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scans for DTP output problems In-Reply-To: <28AEC71E-01F3-43AF-96CE-075872FCFCE4@bellsouth.net> References: <20070620214914.4B7708FCA8B@rb.enter.net> <28AEC71E-01F3-43AF-96CE-075872FCFCE4@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <467AA9D9.9000003@sugarloafprint.com> I scan text as line art and at 1200DPI Also turn off the unsharp mask for now Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 Ben Travis wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are having trouble scanning customer supplied art (hard copy) for > output to our DPM. > > Normally, we only output files we produce, and simply shoot plates of > our 3m 1190 platemaker when hard copy is provided. However, 1190 is > down and we are waiting for service. We tried to scan hard copy and > output it, but the quality of our scans is not acceptable. > > Problems with scans: > 1- Solid areas of text when enlarged 400% or so, show little white > dots randomly, but consistently. > 2- When enlarged, text edges are not smooth, but are rough. > 3- Random dots appear in the non copy areas. > > Scan Procedures: > Using Epson Perfection 3170 (1200 dpi scanner) > > Scanned as a document. > 8-bit greyscale > 300 dpi > Unsharp Mask Filter - On > Histogram - Adjusted to Darken > Scanned into Photoshop Cs3 > Unsharp Mask Filter to Sharper > Saved as a Grey scale Photoshop file > > > Do you see anything wrong with the way we are scanning hard copy? > What tips or tricks do you have for scanning text that results in > clean copy? > > Thanks for any help offered! > > > Ben Travis > > Copy Express > 4004-A South Blvd. > Charlotte, NC 20209 > cpyxpres@bellsouth.net > 704-527-1750 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From mail at myprinter.biz Thu Jun 21 12:49:41 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Thu Jun 21 12:49:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cutter Blades In-Reply-To: <024EC368-89A3-4DE3-90AB-234EB10C8FEE@desktopsxm.com> Message-ID: Joel - I googled Norton Tool, then chose one of the links offered, and was taken to what you'll see here: http://maps.citysearch.com/map/view/2574603 In addition to Norton Tool, there are several others shown. Good luck. P.S. What would the economics be like for you if you bought and had shipped to you enough blades that you could bring or send several to the states at a time and have them sharpened while you/somebody else is here? Might be cheaper than getting killed by shipping costs both ways. Just a thought. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Joel Brint Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 12:04 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Cutter Blades ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Thanks Dan. Do you have contact details for me. I am situated on the island of St. Maarten and have to ship my blades via DHL or Fedex (don't ask costs, all I can say it is a fortune) and it is always good to have an alternative. Joel Brint Desktop Imaging St. Maarten On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:55 AM, wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Joel - > > I'm not sure where you are in this area, but we've used Norton Tool > in Davie > for over 20 years. > > Dan > Sir Speedy Printing Center > 5845 Hollywood Boulevard > Hollywood, FL 33021 > t 954.962.1309 > f 954-962-1366 > dan@myprinter.biz > www.myprinter.biz > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Joel Brint > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 11:43 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Cutter Blades > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > In the southeast, bobs saw sharpening, Fort Lauderdale. > Excellent, helpfull and good. > > > On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:37 AM, Kathy Henry wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> Miller Grinding of the Northeast areas with free pick up and drop >> off. >> >> The main thing they were best we have used for getting a good knife >> sharpened that lasted. Does anyone have a source in the Northeast? >> >> >> Kathleen Henry >> Mitchell Printing & Mailing >> kathy@mpcny.com >> >> 125 East First Street >> PO Box 815 >> Oswego, NY 13126 >> (315) 343-3531 >> (315) 343-3577 (fax) >> (315) 532-0943 (cell) >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/857 - Release Date: >> 6/20/2007 >> 2:18 PM >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ewingandsons at sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 21 12:52:20 2007 From: ewingandsons at sbcglobal.net (Dennis W. Ewing Sr) Date: Thu Jun 21 12:52:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scans for DTP output problems In-Reply-To: <28AEC71E-01F3-43AF-96CE-075872FCFCE4@bellsouth.net> References: <20070620214914.4B7708FCA8B@rb.enter.net> <28AEC71E-01F3-43AF-96CE-075872FCFCE4@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <467AACC4.2020703@sbcglobal.net> I can do copy dot at 133 line with a 1200 DPI scanner. It is not as good as the original, but usually is good enough. Scan as a black and white at at least 600 DPI if text only and the full 1200 if you are trying to coy screens. It will make a HUGE file. The gray scale setting is where you are messing up. It needs to be black and white only. You will have to play with density settings on your scanner to get the best results, but I had that scanner here until I aged it out and took it home. I scanned to file and edited it in PS. Let the scanner software work for you instead of fighting the TWAIN driver. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@sbcglobal.net ewingandsons@sbcglobal.net Ben Travis wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are having trouble scanning customer supplied art (hard copy) for > output to our DPM. > > Normally, we only output files we produce, and simply shoot plates of > our 3m 1190 platemaker when hard copy is provided. However, 1190 is > down and we are waiting for service. We tried to scan hard copy and > output it, but the quality of our scans is not acceptable. > > Problems with scans: > 1- Solid areas of text when enlarged 400% or so, show little white > dots randomly, but consistently. > 2- When enlarged, text edges are not smooth, but are rough. > 3- Random dots appear in the non copy areas. > > Scan Procedures: > Using Epson Perfection 3170 (1200 dpi scanner) > > Scanned as a document. > 8-bit greyscale > 300 dpi > Unsharp Mask Filter - On > Histogram - Adjusted to Darken > Scanned into Photoshop Cs3 > Unsharp Mask Filter to Sharper > Saved as a Grey scale Photoshop file > > > Do you see anything wrong with the way we are scanning hard copy? > What tips or tricks do you have for scanning text that results in > clean copy? > > Thanks for any help offered! > > > Ben Travis > > Copy Express > 4004-A South Blvd. > Charlotte, NC 20209 > cpyxpres@bellsouth.net > 704-527-1750 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From russ at mobile-print.com Thu Jun 21 14:03:02 2007 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Thu Jun 21 13:06:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scans for DTP output problems In-Reply-To: <28AEC71E-01F3-43AF-96CE-075872FCFCE4@bellsouth.net> References: <20070620214914.4B7708FCA8B@rb.enter.net> <28AEC71E-01F3-43AF-96CE-075872FCFCE4@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <467ABD56.4090001@mobile-print.com> We find that line copy reproduces better (sharper) as Bitmap rather than Greyscale. Occasionally we have to make 2 files - 1 Bitmapped & 1 Greyscale - and combine them in InDesign in order to get clean type as well as decent halftones. Keep in mind that scans will always have rough text edges (compared to digital originals) when enlarged. Usually you cannot see the roughness when actually printed. Same thing may hold true for the 'little white dots'. BTW, the ScanMaster system with our DPM does a great job with hardcopy originals. In fact, we use the ScanMaster scanner & software to do almost all scans, redardless of whether we immediately RIP to the DPM or send to desktop for further processing. Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847-398-6155 Fax: 847-398-0788 Ben Travis wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are having trouble scanning customer supplied art (hard copy) for > output to our DPM. > > Normally, we only output files we produce, and simply shoot plates of > our 3m 1190 platemaker when hard copy is provided. However, 1190 is > down and we are waiting for service. We tried to scan hard copy and > output it, but the quality of our scans is not acceptable. > > Problems with scans: > 1- Solid areas of text when enlarged 400% or so, show little white > dots randomly, but consistently. > 2- When enlarged, text edges are not smooth, but are rough. > 3- Random dots appear in the non copy areas. > > Scan Procedures: > Using Epson Perfection 3170 (1200 dpi scanner) > > Scanned as a document. > 8-bit greyscale > 300 dpi > Unsharp Mask Filter - On > Histogram - Adjusted to Darken > Scanned into Photoshop Cs3 > Unsharp Mask Filter to Sharper > Saved as a Grey scale Photoshop file > > > Do you see anything wrong with the way we are scanning hard copy? > What tips or tricks do you have for scanning text that results in > clean copy? > > Thanks for any help offered! > > > Ben Travis > > Copy Express > 4004-A South Blvd. > Charlotte, NC 20209 > cpyxpres@bellsouth.net > 704-527-1750 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From info at desktopsxm.com Thu Jun 21 13:19:22 2007 From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint) Date: Thu Jun 21 13:19:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cutter Blades In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <74211662-9F8D-46D9-B4B6-8B90FAC06D69@desktopsxm.com> that is not a bad idea but at $300+ a throw for a blade is still expensive. As it is I have 2 so they alternate. Joel Brint On Jun 21, 2007, at 12:49 PM, wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Joel - > > I googled Norton Tool, then chose one of the links offered, and was > taken to > what you'll see here: > > http://maps.citysearch.com/map/view/2574603 > > In addition to Norton Tool, there are several others shown. > > Good luck. > > P.S. What would the economics be like for you if you bought and > had shipped > to you enough blades that you could bring or send several to the > states at a > time and have them sharpened while you/somebody else is here? > Might be > cheaper than getting killed by shipping costs both ways. Just a > thought. > > Dan > Sir Speedy Printing Center > 5845 Hollywood Boulevard > Hollywood, FL 33021 > t 954.962.1309 > f 954-962-1366 > dan@myprinter.biz > www.myprinter.biz > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Joel Brint > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 12:04 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Cutter Blades > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Thanks Dan. > Do you have contact details for me. > I am situated on the island of St. Maarten and have to ship my blades > via DHL or Fedex (don't ask costs, all I can say it is a fortune) and > it is always good to have an alternative. > > Joel Brint > Desktop Imaging > St. Maarten > > > On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:55 AM, wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Joel - >> >> I'm not sure where you are in this area, but we've used Norton Tool >> in Davie >> for over 20 years. >> >> Dan >> Sir Speedy Printing Center >> 5845 Hollywood Boulevard >> Hollywood, FL 33021 >> t 954.962.1309 >> f 954-962-1366 >> dan@myprinter.biz >> www.myprinter.biz >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Joel Brint >> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 11:43 AM >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Cutter Blades >> >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> In the southeast, bobs saw sharpening, Fort Lauderdale. >> Excellent, helpfull and good. >> >> >> On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:37 AM, Kathy Henry wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> >>> Miller Grinding of the Northeast areas with free pick up and drop >>> off. >>> >>> The main thing they were best we have used for getting a good knife >>> sharpened that lasted. Does anyone have a source in the Northeast? >>> >>> >>> Kathleen Henry >>> Mitchell Printing & Mailing >>> kathy@mpcny.com >>> >>> 125 East First Street >>> PO Box 815 >>> Oswego, NY 13126 >>> (315) 343-3531 >>> (315) 343-3577 (fax) >>> (315) 532-0943 (cell) >>> >>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/857 - Release Date: >>> 6/20/2007 >>> 2:18 PM >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From homedespot1 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 21 13:27:01 2007 From: homedespot1 at yahoo.com (Jen Adelman) Date: Thu Jun 21 13:27:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <339020.1738.qm@web51309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I don't disagree with any of those that say "find a way to make this work for you", however I do think that this is awfully similar to the Microsoft and Baby Bell issues... in other words it is an anti-trust issue. "United States antitrust law is the body of laws which prohibit anti-competitive behavior (monopoly) and unfair business practices. These competition laws make illegal certain practices deemed to hurt businesses or consumers or both, or generally to violate standards of ethical behavior. Government agencies known as competition regulators regulate antitrust laws, and may also be responsible for regulating related laws dealing with consumer protection. The term "antitrust" was originally formulated to combat "business trusts," now more commonly known as cartels." "Examples of illegal practices are price-fixing conspiracies, corporate mergers likely to reduce the competitive vigor of particular markets, and predatory acts designed to achieve or maintain monopoly power." "Microsoft, ATT, and J.D. Rockefeller Oil are companies who have been convicted of antitrust practices." and: http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/ I am not trying to start an off-topic thing about lawyers in America but I will say this: I know an anti-trust lawyer in DC. If any one wants Me to dig up his number and call him because you feel this fits the definition then let me know. Jennifer Adelman Roller Printing www.rollerprinting.com 505-577-5727 (cell) Art, like morality, consists of drawing the line somewhere -G.K. Chesterton ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ From mail at myprinter.biz Thu Jun 21 13:46:48 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Thu Jun 21 13:46:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's In-Reply-To: <339020.1738.qm@web51309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jen - Why don't you join me in telling Adobe that your a customer of theirs and that you object to them foolishly offering a competitive advantage to a single customer of theirs, and that while it could be their single biggest customer, it's nowhere near as big as all of the rest of its customer base - the ones that are getting shafted. If you're an ASP, you could do that through the "contact us" link on the ASP site, and I'm guessing it would take less than 15 minutes of your time. If any of the rest of you that aren't ASPs want to complain and don't know to whom, let me know and I'll find and provide you with one or more email addresses. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Jen Adelman Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 1:27 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I don't disagree with any of those that say "find a way to make this work for you", however I do think that this is awfully similar to the Microsoft and Baby Bell issues... in other words it is an anti-trust issue. "United States antitrust law is the body of laws which prohibit anti-competitive behavior (monopoly) and unfair business practices. These competition laws make illegal certain practices deemed to hurt businesses or consumers or both, or generally to violate standards of ethical behavior. Government agencies known as competition regulators regulate antitrust laws, and may also be responsible for regulating related laws dealing with consumer protection. The term "antitrust" was originally formulated to combat "business trusts," now more commonly known as cartels." "Examples of illegal practices are price-fixing conspiracies, corporate mergers likely to reduce the competitive vigor of particular markets, and predatory acts designed to achieve or maintain monopoly power." "Microsoft, ATT, and J.D. Rockefeller Oil are companies who have been convicted of antitrust practices." and: http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/ I am not trying to start an off-topic thing about lawyers in America but I will say this: I know an anti-trust lawyer in DC. If any one wants Me to dig up his number and call him because you feel this fits the definition then let me know. Jennifer Adelman Roller Printing www.rollerprinting.com 505-577-5727 (cell) Art, like morality, consists of drawing the line somewhere -G.K. Chesterton ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu Jun 21 15:14:31 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu Jun 21 15:14:35 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's In-Reply-To: <339020.1738.qm@web51309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <339020.1738.qm@web51309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0706211214g7121f147la0132f882af15a64@mail.gmail.com> On 6/21/07, Jen Adelman wrote: > > "Examples of illegal practices are price-fixing > conspiracies, corporate mergers likely to reduce the > competitive vigor of particular markets, and predatory > acts designed to achieve or maintain monopoly power." A valiant effort to make a case, and it sounds good. But I doubt it has any merit. The addtion of the new "Send to F__K" command in Adobe software is certainly a predatory act, but it only provides them with a competitive edge, not a monopoly. It's an option, a choice; it does not take away any of the existig options. It sucks, but Dan's suggestion -- complain loudly and often and en masse to Adobe -- has a better shot. That's my totally unqualified legal opinion. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From k_graham at hotmail.com Thu Jun 21 15:33:54 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Thu Jun 21 15:34:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cutter Blades References: <024EC368-89A3-4DE3-90AB-234EB10C8FEE@desktopsxm.com> Message-ID: > Thanks Dan. > Do you have contact details for me. > I am situated on the island of St. Maarten and have to ship my blades via > DHL or Fedex (don't ask costs, all I can say it is a fortune) and it is > always good to have an alternative. > > Joel Brint > Desktop Imaging > St. Maarten Youch; I hope your knives are the high speed steel, at least they will last 3 to 5 times the carbon steel. I'd be wondering about Tungston Carbide. I complain because shipping to Edmonton costs me $50.00 return but at least with 2 stores I can usually ship 2 knives. Worst cost was when I shipped to GrandePrairie and the knife grinder subbed to another shop and took off so much in 1 cut as to ruin 2 knives, heat warped about 1/4" (not their fault they warped so I was told, knives do that when they get old. Yeh right, last time there) Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika From John at mpcny.com Thu Jun 21 15:43:07 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Thu Jun 21 15:43:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] VDP purl example Message-ID: <000501c7b43c$647ab7f0$2d7027d0$@com> Kathy Just got a post card with lots of VDP and images on it. Very slick you may want to see what the entire buzz is about. I am not real impressed other than from the techie standpoint. Does it make me want to buy; NO it only made want to see what they were doing and how I could use it here. http://www.retire-richer.com/kathy.henry John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for First, Second and Standard Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/857 - Release Date: 6/20/2007 2:18 PM From mail at myprinter.biz Thu Jun 21 15:45:57 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Thu Jun 21 15:45:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cutter Blades In-Reply-To: <74211662-9F8D-46D9-B4B6-8B90FAC06D69@desktopsxm.com> Message-ID: Joel - So two more of them would run you $600.00 - maybe less if you shopped the hell out of them and bought two. Are you - or anybody you know - coming up here often enough that you could bring two or three "dulls" up and have them sharpened while you're here, how many times would you have to do that to break even on shipping costs both ways compared to the purchase price, and are you planning to be in business and using that cutter that long? Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Joel Brint Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 1:19 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Cutter Blades ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** that is not a bad idea but at $300+ a throw for a blade is still expensive. As it is I have 2 so they alternate. Joel Brint On Jun 21, 2007, at 12:49 PM, wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Joel - > > I googled Norton Tool, then chose one of the links offered, and was > taken to > what you'll see here: > > http://maps.citysearch.com/map/view/2574603 > > In addition to Norton Tool, there are several others shown. > > Good luck. > > P.S. What would the economics be like for you if you bought and > had shipped > to you enough blades that you could bring or send several to the > states at a > time and have them sharpened while you/somebody else is here? > Might be > cheaper than getting killed by shipping costs both ways. Just a > thought. > > Dan > Sir Speedy Printing Center > 5845 Hollywood Boulevard > Hollywood, FL 33021 > t 954.962.1309 > f 954-962-1366 > dan@myprinter.biz > www.myprinter.biz > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Joel Brint > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 12:04 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Cutter Blades > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Thanks Dan. > Do you have contact details for me. > I am situated on the island of St. Maarten and have to ship my blades > via DHL or Fedex (don't ask costs, all I can say it is a fortune) and > it is always good to have an alternative. > > Joel Brint > Desktop Imaging > St. Maarten > > > On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:55 AM, wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Joel - >> >> I'm not sure where you are in this area, but we've used Norton Tool >> in Davie >> for over 20 years. >> >> Dan >> Sir Speedy Printing Center >> 5845 Hollywood Boulevard >> Hollywood, FL 33021 >> t 954.962.1309 >> f 954-962-1366 >> dan@myprinter.biz >> www.myprinter.biz >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Joel Brint >> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 11:43 AM >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Cutter Blades >> >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> In the southeast, bobs saw sharpening, Fort Lauderdale. >> Excellent, helpfull and good. >> >> >> On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:37 AM, Kathy Henry wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> >>> Miller Grinding of the Northeast areas with free pick up and drop >>> off. >>> >>> The main thing they were best we have used for getting a good knife >>> sharpened that lasted. Does anyone have a source in the Northeast? >>> >>> >>> Kathleen Henry >>> Mitchell Printing & Mailing >>> kathy@mpcny.com >>> >>> 125 East First Street >>> PO Box 815 >>> Oswego, NY 13126 >>> (315) 343-3531 >>> (315) 343-3577 (fax) >>> (315) 532-0943 (cell) >>> >>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/857 - Release Date: >>> 6/20/2007 >>> 2:18 PM >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From info at desktopsxm.com Thu Jun 21 16:36:39 2007 From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint) Date: Thu Jun 21 16:36:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cutter Blades In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It costs me $90 just to ship 1 knife to the Lauderdale. A ticket to Puerto Rico costs over $300 today. Damn, I was just told this morning of a special that finished yesterday by AA for Miami return $191. Of course they never advertised THAT special. Unfortunately we do not come up to Miami that often and believe me those knives for a Polar 72 are heavy and I am getting old. Joel Brint Desktop Imaging On Jun 21, 2007, at 3:45 PM, wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Joel - > > So two more of them would run you $600.00 - maybe less if you > shopped the > hell out of them and bought two. > > Are you - or anybody you know - coming up here often enough that > you could > bring two or three "dulls" up and have them sharpened while you're > here, how > many times would you have to do that to break even on shipping > costs both > ways compared to the purchase price, and are you planning to be in > business > and using that cutter that long? > > Dan > Sir Speedy Printing Center > 5845 Hollywood Boulevard > Hollywood, FL 33021 > t 954.962.1309 > f 954-962-1366 > dan@myprinter.biz > www.myprinter.biz > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Joel Brint > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 1:19 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Cutter Blades > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > that is not a bad idea but at $300+ a throw for a blade is still > expensive. > As it is I have 2 so they alternate. > > Joel Brint > > > On Jun 21, 2007, at 12:49 PM, wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Joel - >> >> I googled Norton Tool, then chose one of the links offered, and was >> taken to >> what you'll see here: >> >> http://maps.citysearch.com/map/view/2574603 >> >> In addition to Norton Tool, there are several others shown. >> >> Good luck. >> >> P.S. What would the economics be like for you if you bought and >> had shipped >> to you enough blades that you could bring or send several to the >> states at a >> time and have them sharpened while you/somebody else is here? >> Might be >> cheaper than getting killed by shipping costs both ways. Just a >> thought. >> >> Dan >> Sir Speedy Printing Center >> 5845 Hollywood Boulevard >> Hollywood, FL 33021 >> t 954.962.1309 >> f 954-962-1366 >> dan@myprinter.biz >> www.myprinter.biz >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Joel Brint >> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 12:04 PM >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Cutter Blades >> >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Thanks Dan. >> Do you have contact details for me. >> I am situated on the island of St. Maarten and have to ship my blades >> via DHL or Fedex (don't ask costs, all I can say it is a fortune) and >> it is always good to have an alternative. >> >> Joel Brint >> Desktop Imaging >> St. Maarten >> >> >> On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:55 AM, wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> Joel - >>> >>> I'm not sure where you are in this area, but we've used Norton Tool >>> in Davie >>> for over 20 years. >>> >>> Dan >>> Sir Speedy Printing Center >>> 5845 Hollywood Boulevard >>> Hollywood, FL 33021 >>> t 954.962.1309 >>> f 954-962-1366 >>> dan@myprinter.biz >>> www.myprinter.biz >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >>> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Joel Brint >>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 11:43 AM >>> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >>> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Cutter Blades >>> >>> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> In the southeast, bobs saw sharpening, Fort Lauderdale. >>> Excellent, helpfull and good. >>> >>> >>> On Jun 21, 2007, at 11:37 AM, Kathy Henry wrote: >>> >>>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>>> >>>> >>>> Miller Grinding of the Northeast areas with free pick up and drop >>>> off. >>>> >>>> The main thing they were best we have used for getting a good knife >>>> sharpened that lasted. Does anyone have a source in the Northeast? >>>> >>>> >>>> Kathleen Henry >>>> Mitchell Printing & Mailing >>>> kathy@mpcny.com >>>> >>>> 125 East First Street >>>> PO Box 815 >>>> Oswego, NY 13126 >>>> (315) 343-3531 >>>> (315) 343-3577 (fax) >>>> (315) 532-0943 (cell) >>>> >>>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/857 - Release Date: >>>> 6/20/2007 >>>> 2:18 PM >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From k_graham at hotmail.com Thu Jun 21 16:46:19 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Thu Jun 21 16:46:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cutter Blades References: Message-ID: > $300.00 > those knives for a Polar 72 are heavy and I am getting old. Doesn't sound like enough or maybe I am buying in the wrong places, here in Canada I think I paid about $500 for High Speed Steel Blades for 30" Challenge. However as they last 3 or more times longer than Carbon Steel between sharpening I figure it saves $1000's over the life of a blade. Ken Graham ken@communityprinters.com CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 250.782.7108 Skype.com voice address grahams,ken-erika From dennisdater at sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 21 17:03:45 2007 From: dennisdater at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Dater) Date: Thu Jun 21 17:04:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 4C Copying/Printing Scenarios Needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070621210411.CDCA2902769@rb.enter.net> Hi John, Just a clarification on your specs below. You are asking about a 9 x 12 job. I would assume that the finished piece is 8 1/2 x 11. For example, for an 8 1/2 x 11 or 11 x 17 finished size we would run on an 12 1/2 x 19 inch sheet. This 1 1/2 in margin gives us enough room for the gripper, color bars and four way trim. The original sheet is cut from a 19 x 25 standard parent sheet, giving us 2 out. If you required a 9 x 12 finished sheet, we would have to go to a larger parent, with a larger run size and additional waste. It would fit on our 14 x 20 press, but as a general rule we do not run 14 x 20 sheets through it, unless I have to buy a 28 x 40 parent sheet. Regards, Dennis Dater Allegra Print & Imaging 8037 Vickers Street San Diego, CA 92111 858-576-0100 or 619-696-6290 www.allegrasandiego.com dennisdater@sbcglobal.net -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@print