From alewinter at datapalette.com Mon Jul 2 08:34:36 2007 From: alewinter at datapalette.com (Andrew LeWinter) Date: Mon Jul 2 08:31:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] My letter to Adobe References: <002501c7ba5b$d88fc700$6b00000a@domain1.local> Message-ID: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D501A2159@mail1.datapalette.local> You might think that if Adobe really cared about their relationship to ASN members, that they would have sent an email (admittedly automated) acknowledging the feedback they are getting, and letting us know what their plan (even if preliminary) will be. Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of ImagePro Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:43 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] My letter to Adobe ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Here's my e-mail just sent to Mr. Chizen: Bruce Chizen CEO Adobe Dear Mr. Chizen; I am a small commercial printer with two locations. We have several licenses for CS and recently upgraded to CS3. We are an Adobe Service Provider. We have championed Adobe products for the 10 years we have been in business. We recommend them to our clients (over Quark and others) and felt as though we truly had a partner in Adobe. I am severely disappointed that you would choose to insult the loyalty of a substantial customer base -- the rest of the printing, copying, and design community by adding a FedEx Kinkos printing link to your reader product. Perhaps we are a market that you feel is expendable, and maybe you're right. But I believe you have grossly underestimated the combined power of that market in impacting your bottom line. All you need do is look at what happened to the market share for QuarkExpress when in their arrogance, they ticked off this same community. Many of those who migrated to your product are wishing now they had not. You have placed yourself directly in competition with me and others like me. We are not happy! I will immediately pull my ASP logos off my advertising and signage off my doors. We will begin to distribute other PDF readers and writers to our clients. I realize that the loss of my support will not make or break your company. And, in the end, I really doubt that Kinkos will pick up and keep a substantial part of my business, because they simply don't service their customers as well as we do, nor do they have the technical expertise we have in handling files. But what I do believe is that unless something changes in your direction you will do irreparable damage to the relationship you had with our company and with others like me -- a relationship that was built on trust. Mark Rowley ImagePro Printing & Copying, Inc. 95 West Harding Ave. Cedar City, UT 84720 435-586-1105 435-586-0499 fax mark@imageproprint.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- > bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Greg Weinfurter > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 8:26 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] My letter to Adobe > Importance: High > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Maybe everyone on this list should send this Mr Chizen a copy???? > > G > On Jun 29, 2007, at 8:23 AM, John Henry wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > bchizen@adobe.com > > Bruce Chizen, Adobe CEO > > > > > > Mr Chizen; > > > > I am very upset that a company I have chosen to build my design > > business on > > has added a link for FedEx/Kinkos on a product everyone of my > > customers use. > > > > At this time I have told my designers to switch all our creative > > work to > > Quark and no longer recommend Adobe CS to clients. Yes, we will > > still take > > their files in CS, just not longer recommend it when asked what > > program they > > use or buy. > > > > I also have started to use and recommend Primo PDF as our PDF > > creator and > > even have Primo on our website as free download for our accounts. I > > am about > > to put a link for Foxit Reader 2.0 as our recommended PDF reader. > > These > > programs will avoid my customers having to use your FedEx/Kinkos > > linked > > products. These both are FREE, faster and much smaller than your > > products. > > In fact they work better on many files. Yes, they are missing some > > features > > but 99% of my accounts do not need them. I will keep my acrobat pro > > with > > pitstop for the few that do. > > > > My next step will be fully implementing Microsoft's XPS, their PDF > > competitor. You see we printers are not dumb; we helped to make > > Acrobat and > > CS a success. As things stand we have even more incentive to make > > the others > > systems work even better. I know of major software VAR's that are > > right now > > working on scripts that will remove the FedEx/Kinkos link and > > install links > > to their customers. The Jaws PDF creators have been a consultant for > > Microsoft's on XPS. How long to they come with a simple solution? > > > > Why can't Adobe configure Reader so that it has all the ASN > > providers built > > into Reader? Then, if someone wanted to send a job via Reader, they > > would > > have a choice. I have no problem competing when the competition is > > fair. > > > > I assume Adobe is being paid upfront and/or a percent of the revenue > > FedEx/Kinkos gets. I know it may take years to affect a major shift > > away > > from Adobe, but assure you that printers will. Just as we moved > > to CS from > > Quark, we will move back and adopt other workflows when our > > business is > > threatened like this. > > > > You need to act; every printer I know and printing industry group > > is looking > > at you and what you decide... > > > > John M. Henry > > Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company > > 125-129 East First Street > > Oswego, New York 13126 > > (315) 343-3531 > > (315) 343-3577 Fax > > www.mpcny.com > > John@mpcny.com > > We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider > > Microsoft Publisher Service Provider > > We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for First, > > Second and > > Standard > > Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to > > mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!! > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.12/878 - Release Date: > > 6/28/2007 > > 5:57 PM > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From John at mpcny.com Mon Jul 2 09:13:27 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Mon Jul 2 09:12:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Tracking Adobe/Kinkos lastest news Message-ID: <000601c7bcaa$c77cde20$56769a60$@com> http://printceoblog.com/2007/06/adobe-fedex-kinko-deal/ http://members.whattheythink.com/allsearch/articleerc.cfm?id=29473 John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for First, Second and Standard Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/880 - Release Date: 6/29/2007 2:15 PM From championprinting at yahoo.com Mon Jul 2 09:16:48 2007 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Mon Jul 2 09:17:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Tracking Adobe/Kinkos lastest news Message-ID: <442764.57413.qm@web38908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Evidently Dr. Joe has never heard of anyone complaining about EFI's practices. Got his email? Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: John Henry To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Monday, July 2, 2007 9:13:27 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Tracking Adobe/Kinkos lastest news ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** http://printceoblog.com/2007/06/adobe-fedex-kinko-deal/ http://members.whattheythink.com/allsearch/articleerc.cfm?id=29473 John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for First, Second and Standard Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!! From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 09:54:12 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Jul 2 09:54:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] My letter to Adobe In-Reply-To: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D501A2159@mail1.datapalette.local> References: <002501c7ba5b$d88fc700$6b00000a@domain1.local> <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D501A2159@mail1.datapalette.local> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707020654n5b863bd2ka4358351075f59cd@mail.gmail.com> On 7/2/07, Andrew LeWinter wrote: > > You might think that if Adobe really cared about their relationship to > ASN members, that they would have sent an email (admittedly automated) > acknowledging the feedback they are getting, and letting us know what > their plan (even if preliminary) will be. That's exactly what they've been doing: "We clearly blew it and I am sorry. We are looking at potential solutions to keep the loyalty of important partners like yourself. I hope you hang in there with us." It would be hard to believe at this point that they don't care. Clearly, the "it" they blew is that the backlash they're getting had never been considered in their plan. Personally, I don't like the wording of "solutions to keep the loyalty of..." The only solution that works for me is for them to buy their way out of the ill-conceived agreement and remove the link. My letter to Bruce Chizen ended with "Mr. Chizen, TAKE DOWN THIS LINK!" It would be good if others would express the same underlying sentiment. (Good t-shirt copy, too, under a reproduction of the offending menu item). Otherwise, I fear, we're not going to like the "solution." -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From chris at illinoisprintingservices.com Mon Jul 2 10:01:54 2007 From: chris at illinoisprintingservices.com (Chris) Date: Mon Jul 2 10:01:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Tracking Adobe/Kinkos lastest news References: <000601c7bcaa$c77cde20$56769a60$@com> Message-ID: <000f01c7bcb1$8ca62340$6400a8c0@ipsmachine> Here is the instructions to disable the Kinko link. http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=kb401726&sliceId=1 Chris Eckel Vice President Illinois Printing Services, Inc. P. O. Box 106 Sullivan, Illinois 61951 217.728.2786 FAX 728.2998 Cell 412-5051 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Henry" To: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 8:13 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Tracking Adobe/Kinkos lastest news > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > http://printceoblog.com/2007/06/adobe-fedex-kinko-deal/ > > http://members.whattheythink.com/allsearch/articleerc.cfm?id=29473 > > > > John M. Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company > 125-129 East First Street > Oswego, New York 13126 > (315) 343-3531 > (315) 343-3577 Fax > www.mpcny.com > John@mpcny.com > We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider > Microsoft Publisher Service Provider > We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for First, Second and > Standard > Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to > mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!! > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/880 - Release Date: 6/29/2007 > 2:15 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From info at huttotxprinting.com Mon Jul 2 10:14:49 2007 From: info at huttotxprinting.com (Hutto Printing) Date: Mon Jul 2 10:14:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] scan to pdf In-Reply-To: <94E68C55-A8C1-4494-A56A-C427591D0F90@bfm.org> References: <94E68C55-A8C1-4494-A56A-C427591D0F90@bfm.org> Message-ID: I haven't done a lot of it, but a few projects. One was 1000's of pages, but many files (they were contracts). I charged .15 each plus .50 per file to name it and start the next one. It went pretty well. On scanning that has any kind of staples, or anything to prevent full speed, I go to .25. I hope that helps you. Darrell Trammel Hutto Printing 512.846.1990 Order online at www.huttotxprinting.com !! Hutto Chamber of Commerce Member Authorized Adobe Solutions Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider On Jun 29, 2007, at 1:41 PM, Greg Weinfurter wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a customer that wants a 500 page book scanned to pdf. My > Lanier LDO75 can do it but have no idea what I should charge. > > Copies are .10/copy, and when I scan, it goes just as fast and creates > a pdf on the fly. > > What do others charge for this type of service, I have no idea. > > G > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Mon Jul 2 10:31:40 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Mon Jul 2 10:33:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] My letter to Adobe In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0707020654n5b863bd2ka4358351075f59cd@mail.gmail.com> References: <002501c7ba5b$d88fc700$6b00000a@domain1.local><52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D501A2159@mail1.datapalette.local> <98f5b19a0707020654n5b863bd2ka4358351075f59cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Michael, do you think there might be a line-up of unhappy printers at the Adobe booth at the PIP/Sir Speedy Convention Trade Show? Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 8:54 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] My letter to Adobe It would be hard to believe at this point that they don't care. Clearly, the "it" they blew is that the backlash they're getting had never been considered in their plan. Personally, I don't like the wording of "solutions to keep the loyalty of..." The only solution that works for me is for them to buy their way out of the ill-conceived agreement and remove the link. My letter to Bruce Chizen ended with "Mr. Chizen, TAKE DOWN THIS LINK!" It would be good if others would express the same underlying sentiment. (Good t-shirt copy, too, under a reproduction of the offending menu item). Otherwise, I fear, we're not going to like the "solution." E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.186) Database version: 5.07620 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 10:41:13 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Jul 2 10:41:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] My letter to Adobe In-Reply-To: References: <002501c7ba5b$d88fc700$6b00000a@domain1.local> <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D501A2159@mail1.datapalette.local> <98f5b19a0707020654n5b863bd2ka4358351075f59cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707020741t24193b08mc42492bbebfcdb47@mail.gmail.com> On 7/2/07, Mark Lake wrote: > > Michael, do you think there might be a line-up of unhappy > printers at the Adobe booth at the PIP/Sir Speedy Convention > Trade Show? Sad to say, if their level of participation in this and other industry forums and associations is any indication, the majority are clueless. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From soneal at conestogadpi.com Mon Jul 2 10:42:14 2007 From: soneal at conestogadpi.com (Shawn O'Neal) Date: Mon Jul 2 10:42:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] scan to pdf In-Reply-To: <94E68C55-A8C1-4494-A56A-C427591D0F90@bfm.org> Message-ID: <039901c7bcb7$321c48e0$b506a8c0@CopierComputer> $.15 per scan sounds cheap. I heard the going rate is around .25 per 8.5 x 11 scan plus a rename fee and save to disc fee. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Greg Weinfurter Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 2:41 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] scan to pdf ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a customer that wants a 500 page book scanned to pdf. My Lanier LDO75 can do it but have no idea what I should charge. Copies are .10/copy, and when I scan, it goes just as fast and creates a pdf on the fly. What do others charge for this type of service, I have no idea. G _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dvmonto at optonline.net Mon Jul 2 10:48:17 2007 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Mon Jul 2 10:48:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Tracking Adobe/Kinkos latest news In-Reply-To: <000f01c7bcb1$8ca62340$6400a8c0@ipsmachine> Message-ID: On 7/2/07 10:01 AM, "Chris" wrote: > Here is the instructions to disable the Kinko link. > > http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=kb401726&sliceId=1 > > > Chris Eckel OK so how many of us are going to approach our customers and ask them if we could edit the registry on all their PC's? -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net -- "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 11:12:24 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Jul 2 11:12:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Tracking Adobe/Kinkos latest news In-Reply-To: References: <000f01c7bcb1$8ca62340$6400a8c0@ipsmachine> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707020812m700653eam646b7098d44963f7@mail.gmail.com> On 7/2/07, David Monto wrote: > > > OK so how many of us are going to approach our customers and ask them if we > could edit the registry on all their PC's? Gee David, I was just about to start calling my customers to make appointments to go in and do this for them. And to take out full page ads in the local newspapers offering the service to "customers" that don't use us (yet). -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From alewinter at datapalette.com Mon Jul 2 11:17:26 2007 From: alewinter at datapalette.com (Andrew LeWinter) Date: Mon Jul 2 11:14:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] My letter to Adobe References: <002501c7ba5b$d88fc700$6b00000a@domain1.local><52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D501A2159@mail1.datapalette.local> <98f5b19a0707020654n5b863bd2ka4358351075f59cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D501A2172@mail1.datapalette.local> Michael, I appreciate that they are responding to letters from informed members. But I think it would be appropriate for Adobe to make all their ASN members, who each pay $600/year to belong, aware of their error in judgment, and give a consistent, informed response from one source. Right now, we are getting responses from multiple people. Let Mr. Chizen include the quote that you reprinted below, and add a time frame when we can expect an updated status. (Not necessarily a solution, but a progress report.) Let us know who, if any, printng industry representatives are participating in discussions. My use of the word "care" might not have been correct. But when a business makes a mistake, I think it is only fair that they proactively notify all the affected parties (ASN members), rather than reactively to those who write in. Not identical, but similar to, a product recall notice. Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:54 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] My letter to Adobe ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On 7/2/07, Andrew LeWinter wrote: > > You might think that if Adobe really cared about their relationship to > ASN members, that they would have sent an email (admittedly automated) > acknowledging the feedback they are getting, and letting us know what > their plan (even if preliminary) will be. That's exactly what they've been doing: "We clearly blew it and I am sorry. We are looking at potential solutions to keep the loyalty of important partners like yourself. I hope you hang in there with us." It would be hard to believe at this point that they don't care. Clearly, the "it" they blew is that the backlash they're getting had never been considered in their plan. Personally, I don't like the wording of "solutions to keep the loyalty of..." The only solution that works for me is for them to buy their way out of the ill-conceived agreement and remove the link. My letter to Bruce Chizen ended with "Mr. Chizen, TAKE DOWN THIS LINK!" It would be good if others would express the same underlying sentiment. (Good t-shirt copy, too, under a reproduction of the offending menu item). Otherwise, I fear, we're not going to like the "solution." -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dvmonto at optonline.net Mon Jul 2 11:27:52 2007 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Mon Jul 2 11:28:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] My letter to Adobe In-Reply-To: > Message-ID: On 7/2/07 10:31 AM, "Mark Lake" wrote: > Michael, do you think there might be a line-up of unhappy printers at the > Adobe booth at the PIP/Sir Speedy Convention Trade Show? > And I hope all would be wearing one of these t-shirts (or similar). http://www.cafepress.com/sirspeedy -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net -- "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 11:57:55 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Jul 2 11:57:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] My letter to Adobe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707020857q5d16143ay865a1f338583e420@mail.gmail.com> On 7/2/07, David Monto wrote: > > And I hope all would be wearing one of these t-shirts (or similar). > > http://www.cafepress.com/sirspeedy Uh, David -- uh, are you selling that t-shirt to Adobe? Or to Kinkoids? Because the way I read it, it says it is " Do Not Boycott Adobe." -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From dvmonto at optonline.net Mon Jul 2 12:11:56 2007 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Mon Jul 2 12:12:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] My letter to Adobe In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0707020857q5d16143ay865a1f338583e420@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 7/2/07 11:57 AM, "Michael Vogel" wrote: > On 7/2/07, David Monto wrote: >> >> And I hope all would be wearing one of these t-shirts (or similar). >> >> http://www.cafepress.com/sirspeedy > > > Uh, David -- uh, are you selling that t-shirt to Adobe? > Or to Kinkoids? > Because the way I read it, it says it is " Do Not Boycott Adobe." > What you talkin' about? http://www.cafepress.com/sirspeedy -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net www.sirspeedy.com/wappingersfalls "Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals and dying of nothing." ?Redd Foxx From dominick at fmtc.com Mon Jul 2 12:15:50 2007 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Mon Jul 2 12:16:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] My letter to Adobe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <468924B6.9090301@fmtc.com> Mike is right. Saying "boycott Adobe" then adding the circle with slash, says "don't boycott adobe". I thought something looked out of place when I saw it. Joe Dominick Dominicks Printing Ontario Oregon dominick@fmtc.com 541-881-1121 David Monto wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On 7/2/07 11:57 AM, "Michael Vogel" wrote: > > >> On 7/2/07, David Monto wrote: >> >>> And I hope all would be wearing one of these t-shirts (or similar). >>> >>> http://www.cafepress.com/sirspeedy >>> >> Uh, David -- uh, are you selling that t-shirt to Adobe? >> Or to Kinkoids? >> Because the way I read it, it says it is " Do Not Boycott Adobe." >> >> > > What you talkin' about? > > http://www.cafepress.com/sirspeedy > > > From QKCONSULT at aol.com Mon Jul 2 12:35:15 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 2 12:35:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Tracking Adobe/Kinkos latest news Message-ID: In a message dated 7/2/2007 10:49:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dvmonto@optonline.net writes: OK so how many of us are going to approach our customers and ask them if we could edit the registry on all their PC's? Hell, how many printers are even prepared to edit the registry in their own PCs? I know a lot of you consider editing registries and other such tech stuff incredibly simple, but there are more printers I suspect that would begin to attempt this kind of stuff, nor why should they, just to level the playing field that Adobe just screwed up? John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From ron at printingconcepts.com Mon Jul 2 12:44:05 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Mon Jul 2 12:39:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel Help Message-ID: Does anyone know how to annotate a formula with non-functioning notes? I am writing some fairly long formulas and would like to write notes next to the elements without, of course, the notes being part of the formula. I know I can do this in Crystal Reports, but I haven't figured it out in Excel. Example ((K10/60)*100) [note:press run charge] + k15 [press makeready] Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "To each there comes in their lifetime a special moment when they are figuratively tapped on the shoulder and offered the chance to do a very special thing, unique to them and fitted to their talents. What a tragedy if that moment finds them unprepared or unqualified for that which could have been their finest hour." --Winston Churchill "When a nation has allowed itself to fall under a tyrannical regime, it cannot be absolved from the faults due to the guilt of the regime." --Winston Churchill Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From jgross at techiowa.com Mon Jul 2 12:54:06 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Mon Jul 2 12:54:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel Help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00d501c7bcc9$9a581260$1e00000a@tech.local> Ron, right click on the cell and "add comment" . You can chose to show comment or hide comment. Hide comment only displays it when you are on the cell. I use this a lot. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 11:44 AM To: printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel Help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Does anyone know how to annotate a formula with non-functioning notes? I am writing some fairly long formulas and would like to write notes next to the elements without, of course, the notes being part of the formula. I know I can do this in Crystal Reports, but I haven't figured it out in Excel. Example ((K10/60)*100) [note:press run charge] + k15 [press makeready] Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "To each there comes in their lifetime a special moment when they are figuratively tapped on the shoulder and offered the chance to do a very special thing, unique to them and fitted to their talents. What a tragedy if that moment finds them unprepared or unqualified for that which could have been their finest hour." --Winston Churchill "When a nation has allowed itself to fall under a tyrannical regime, it cannot be absolved from the faults due to the guilt of the regime." --Winston Churchill Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From QKCONSULT at aol.com Mon Jul 2 13:00:19 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 2 13:00:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel Help Message-ID: In a message dated 7/2/2007 12:40:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ron@printingconcepts.com writes: Example ((K10/60)*100) [note:press run charge] + k15 [press makeready] Ron, This may not be exactly what you are looking for but do you know you can name cells such as K15 anything you want and then use the name of the cell (say MkrdyChg) in your formula just like you would a cell reference..... you could have a formula that might read like: =(hrlypressrate * (qty/pressspeed))+ (minchg) + makereadychg)+washupchg...... Each cell is named whatever you want by using the cell name box in the upper left of an excel spreadsheet.... type in the name you want and can remember, then be sure and hit return after naming. Then, instead of using =k15 you would use =mkredychg instead. I know that's probably not what you are looking for but I have found it to be a help with complicated formulas. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From sos at olympus.net Mon Jul 2 13:04:48 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Jul 2 13:04:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] My letter to Adobe References: <468924B6.9090301@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <00f801c7bccb$19325360$0300a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dominick's Printing" > Mike is right. Saying "boycott Adobe" then adding the circle with slash, > says "don't boycott adobe". ================= Mike is wrong. It doesn't say Boycott Adobe. It just says Adobe with the circle and slash. Are we all looking at the same thing???? Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 13:21:36 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Jul 2 13:21:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] My letter to Adobe In-Reply-To: <00f801c7bccb$19325360$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <468924B6.9090301@fmtc.com> <00f801c7bccb$19325360$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707021021j3e070284oc33b47035b84eca3@mail.gmail.com> On 7/2/07, Dan Huntingford wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dominick's Printing" > > > Mike is right. Saying "boycott Adobe" then adding the circle with slash, > > says "don't boycott adobe". > ================= > > Mike is wrong. It doesn't say Boycott Adobe. It just says Adobe with the > circle and slash. > Are we all looking at the same thing???? Allow me to settle this. Michael is right. If you require elaboration, the original art said "Boycott Adobe" in a cirle with a slash through it, which really says "Do Not Boycott Adobe," and is the version David intends to sell to Kinkoids. He created the revised edition for the rest of us: "Adobe" in a circle with a slash though it. The redundant word "boycott" does not (need to) appear. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From alewinter at datapalette.com Mon Jul 2 13:25:54 2007 From: alewinter at datapalette.com (Andrew LeWinter) Date: Mon Jul 2 13:23:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] My letter to Adobe References: <468924B6.9090301@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D501A218A@mail1.datapalette.local> Am I looking at the same pictures? I see the word Adobe with the circle and slash. I don't see the word Boycott. Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dominick's Printing Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 12:16 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] My letter to Adobe ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Mike is right. Saying "boycott Adobe" then adding the circle with slash, says "don't boycott adobe". I thought something looked out of place when I saw it. Joe Dominick Dominicks Printing Ontario Oregon dominick@fmtc.com 541-881-1121 David Monto wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On 7/2/07 11:57 AM, "Michael Vogel" wrote: > > >> On 7/2/07, David Monto wrote: >> >>> And I hope all would be wearing one of these t-shirts (or similar). >>> >>> http://www.cafepress.com/sirspeedy >>> >> Uh, David -- uh, are you selling that t-shirt to Adobe? >> Or to Kinkoids? >> Because the way I read it, it says it is " Do Not Boycott Adobe." >> >> > > What you talkin' about? > > http://www.cafepress.com/sirspeedy > > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From slb at inkspot.net Mon Jul 2 14:32:18 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon Jul 2 14:32:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] My letter to Adobe In-Reply-To: <00f801c7bccb$19325360$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <46890C72.10672.BF3EEA@slb.inkspot.net> Dan, I think you're looking at "rev2". Steve > > > Mike is right. Saying "boycott Adobe" then adding the circle with slash, > > says "don't boycott adobe". > ================= > > Mike is wrong. It doesn't say Boycott Adobe. It just says Adobe with the > circle and slash. > Are we all looking at the same thing???? > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2370 (20070702) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From mike at arborprinting.com Mon Jul 2 15:08:13 2007 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Mon Jul 2 15:09:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] My letter to Adobe References: Message-ID: <014a01c7bcdc$5716af80$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> On Adobe's website, it still lists 8 reasons to upgrade to Adobe Reader. http://www.adobe.com/products/reader/productinfo/reasons_to_upgrade Send PDF files directly to FedEx Kinko's FedEx Kinko's and Adobe Systems, Incorporated have teamed up to enhance your online printing experience. From Adobe Reader and Adobe Acrobat, you can now send PDF files directly to FedEx Kinko's for printing, binding, and shipping. Kinko's is still prominatly listed as one of the reasons. Talk is cheap as they say, and Rome is burning, Unless they do something soon, everyday that goes buy without Adobe addressing this, thousands of people are installing this. If Adobe lets this go too long, the damage will be irrepairable. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. www.arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Monto" To: "Printowners" Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] My letter to Adobe > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On 7/2/07 10:31 AM, "Mark Lake" wrote: > >> Michael, do you think there might be a line-up of unhappy printers at the >> Adobe booth at the PIP/Sir Speedy Convention Trade Show? >> > > And I hope all would be wearing one of these t-shirts (or similar). > > http://www.cafepress.com/sirspeedy > > > -- > David V. Monto > > Sir Speedy Printing > 1837 South Road > Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 > > Phone:845-298-8898 > Fax: 845-298-8537 > email: dvmonto@optonline.net > -- > "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." > - Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com Mon Jul 2 15:24:40 2007 From: TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com (Tom King) Date: Mon Jul 2 15:24:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] My letter to Adobe In-Reply-To: <46890C72.10672.BF3EEA@slb.inkspot.net> References: <00f801c7bccb$19325360$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <46890C72.10672.BF3EEA@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <003301c7bcde$a3228aa0$6600a8c0@Tom> Hehe, somehow reminds me of some of my customers... "You guys screwed up and I just won't accept the job - that word certainly wasn't misspelled on the proof I looked at!" Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com From jgross at techiowa.com Mon Jul 2 15:30:08 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Mon Jul 2 15:30:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: 3200 In-Reply-To: <014a01c7bcdc$5716af80$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: <00f601c7bcdf$66dc21e0$1e00000a@tech.local> Our Canon 3200 with fiery rip is having problems with certain fonts and it deletes those characters. On occasion it also deletes portions of text for no apparent reason. This is causing lots of wasted copies when it happens. Has anyone faced and solved this problem? John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 15:39:15 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Jul 2 15:39:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: 3200 In-Reply-To: <00f601c7bcdf$66dc21e0$1e00000a@tech.local> References: <014a01c7bcdc$5716af80$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> <00f601c7bcdf$66dc21e0$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707021239s4f191a2eo9cee8aa4b05f1b38@mail.gmail.com> On 7/2/07, John Gross wrote: > > Our Canon 3200 with fiery rip is having problems with certain fonts and it > deletes those characters. On occasion it also deletes portions of text for > no apparent reason. This is causing lots of wasted copies when it happens. > > Has anyone faced and solved this problem? Not with a 3200 (don't have one), but if the application you're printing from happens to be Word, that's likely where the problem lies. I haven't seen the problem in at least a couple of years, but it used to be a known occasional problem with Word files. We once had to reprint a large run of booklets because the RIP or Word or an argument between the two resulted in a letter being dropped from the author's name on the front cover (among other random places). I'm glad your question didn't include a request for the solution. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From k_graham at hotmail.com Mon Jul 2 15:58:47 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Mon Jul 2 15:58:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: 3200 References: <00f601c7bcdf$66dc21e0$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: > > Our Canon 3200 with fiery rip is having problems with certain fonts and it > deletes those characters. On occasion it also deletes portions of text > for > no apparent reason. This is causing lots of wasted copies when it > happens. > > Has anyone faced and solved this problem? My guess, for any printer; In Printer Properties, Preferences, Advanced, change Truetype - "Substitute Device Font" to Truetype - "Download as SoftFont" Do the above in the printer folder and not the application so it always Downloads the fonts. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 Dawson Creek BC Canada V1G 2G5 250-782-7108 From alewinter at datapalette.com Mon Jul 2 16:15:09 2007 From: alewinter at datapalette.com (Andrew LeWinter) Date: Mon Jul 2 16:12:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: 3200 References: <00f601c7bcdf$66dc21e0$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D501A21A2@mail1.datapalette.local> This solution works sometimes, but when it doesn't, we save the file as a PS print file and distill to PDF. That usually does the trick. Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of k_graham@hotmail.com Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 3:59 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: 3200 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Our Canon 3200 with fiery rip is having problems with certain fonts and it > deletes those characters. On occasion it also deletes portions of text > for > no apparent reason. This is causing lots of wasted copies when it > happens. > > Has anyone faced and solved this problem? My guess, for any printer; In Printer Properties, Preferences, Advanced, change Truetype - "Substitute Device Font" to Truetype - "Download as SoftFont" Do the above in the printer folder and not the application so it always Downloads the fonts. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 Dawson Creek BC Canada V1G 2G5 250-782-7108 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From k_graham at hotmail.com Mon Jul 2 18:01:46 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Mon Jul 2 18:01:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: 3200 References: <00f601c7bcdf$66dc21e0$1e00000a@tech.local> <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D501A21A2@mail1.datapalette.local> Message-ID: I tend to agree. While it should ensure all the characters are correct a customer may have been printing to a non postscript ink jet printer and when you open up these typically Word, Publisher files and try to print, the page has changed due to your different printer. If you can instead have the client use the free pdfcreator at http://www.pdfforge.org/products/pdfcreator/download The line shifting will still have occured but now he can see it before sending. Make sure he prints a copy from the PDF as he may not realize shifting could occur. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 Dawson Creek BC Canada V1G 2G5 250-782-7108 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew LeWinter" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 1:15 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] RE: 3200 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** This solution works sometimes, but when it doesn't, we save the file as a PS print file and distill to PDF. That usually does the trick. Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of k_graham@hotmail.com Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 3:59 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: 3200 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Our Canon 3200 with fiery rip is having problems with certain fonts and it > deletes those characters. On occasion it also deletes portions of text > for > no apparent reason. This is causing lots of wasted copies when it > happens. > > Has anyone faced and solved this problem? My guess, for any printer; In Printer Properties, Preferences, Advanced, change Truetype - "Substitute Device Font" to Truetype - "Download as SoftFont" Do the above in the printer folder and not the application so it always Downloads the fonts. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 Dawson Creek BC Canada V1G 2G5 250-782-7108 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kevin at abfprints.com Mon Jul 2 20:58:32 2007 From: kevin at abfprints.com (Kevin Danko) Date: Mon Jul 2 20:59:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Tracking Adobe/Kinkos latest news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001a01c7bd0d$592d3d30$179fc04b@Danko> Not I, I don't have the time, patience or desire. I don't believe in Band-Aid repairs. Kevin Danko Advantage Business Forms 102 N. Riverside Ave. Rialto, CA 92376 (909) 875-7163 Fax: (909) 875-7971 E-mail: kevin@abfprints.com www.abfprints.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:35 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Tracking Adobe/Kinkos latest news ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 7/2/2007 10:49:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dvmonto@optonline.net writes: OK so how many of us are going to approach our customers and ask them if we could edit the registry on all their PC's? Hell, how many printers are even prepared to edit the registry in their own PCs? I know a lot of you consider editing registries and other such tech stuff incredibly simple, but there are more printers I suspect that would begin to attempt this kind of stuff, nor why should they, just to level the playing field that Adobe just screwed up? John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jdaghir at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 08:55:03 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Tue Jul 3 09:03:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: 3200 In-Reply-To: References: <00f601c7bcdf$66dc21e0$1e00000a@tech.local> <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D501A21A2@mail1.datapalette.local> Message-ID: <83d5b9620707030555p3349baas937c9871c06934ca@mail.gmail.com> For what it's worth we've made it a policy to NEVER print directly from Word, Excel, PowerPoint, or any other office application. We always create a PDF first and then print from that. We have fewer headaches and unpleasant surprises that way. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com On 7/2/07, k_graham@hotmail.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I tend to agree. While it should ensure all the characters are correct a > customer may have been printing to a non postscript ink jet printer and when > you open up these typically Word, Publisher files and try to print, the page > has changed due to your different printer. From jdaghir at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 08:29:48 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Tue Jul 3 09:04:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] small friction feed folder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83d5b9620707030529h5fa7362foe04d83c0d718cafc@mail.gmail.com> For really short runs like that I'll usually setup up our booklet maker and hand-feed into it rather than take the time to setup the floor model folder. I do sometimes regret getting rid of our friction-feed tabletop folder. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com > does anyone have a small, tabletop folder, friction feed that is in > your storage closet and you want to sell? From john at mpcny.com Tue Jul 3 06:48:52 2007 From: john at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Tue Jul 3 09:07:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe GraphExpo boycott Message-ID: <000301c7bd5f$bee83420$3cb89c60$@com> bchizen@adobe.com Bruce Chizen, Adobe CEO Mr Chizen; NAPL/NAQP and just yesterday PIA/GATF have come out hard against the Adobe FedEx/Kinko's marriage. If I have the numbers right, they combined, own 2/3's of the GraphExpo show in Chicago. I am requesting the leadership of NAPL/NAQP and PIA/GATF inform you and Adobe that if this issue is not resolved quickly and favorable, that Adobe would not be welcome at the show. NO Adobe led seminars, NO booths, NO Adobe signage or marketing of any type will be allowed at the show.One step more, a call to Quark and Global could be made to provide how to work without Adobe seminars.That and one on the future of XPS to replace PDF. I fully understand that 3rd party's will be there with your plug-in's. But NO Adobe banners, NO seminars and NO marketing. This I am sure is a strong message and the way to jump start a boycott by our industry leading printing groups, the 2 largest ones in fact taking a stand that is loud and clear in support of ALL printers. The purely PR factor of this move is incredible. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Tue Jul 3 10:26:36 2007 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Tue Jul 3 10:26:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] SPE for Second Shop Message-ID: <74E4F958-E79D-4821-B8B7-4A75A9A4BF8E@inkonpaper.biz> I think we all agree that any shop doing $100,000 or less in SPE is below average. But how does that apply to to a second location. Since that location does not have offset presses and only limited bindery, should I expect a higher SPE? I think the comparison would be with a Copy Shop. What would be an acceptable SPE for a Copy Shop that brokered out all it's printing? Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz From cpurvine1 at cox.net Tue Jul 3 11:15:46 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Tue Jul 3 11:15:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] small friction feed folder In-Reply-To: <83d5b9620707030529h5fa7362foe04d83c0d718cafc@mail.gmail.com> References: <83d5b9620707030529h5fa7362foe04d83c0d718cafc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005601c7bd85$08653920$0300a8c0@corapurvine> We have a Duplo table top model the does 11x17 and sets itself automatically. We have had it at least 15 years and love it. We replaced the rollers the other day and it is running like a champ! No, it's not for sale Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Daghir Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 7:30 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] small friction feed folder ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** For really short runs like that I'll usually setup up our booklet maker and hand-feed into it rather than take the time to setup the floor model folder. I do sometimes regret getting rid of our friction-feed tabletop folder. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com > does anyone have a small, tabletop folder, friction feed that is in > your storage closet and you want to sell? _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2374 (20070703) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Jul 3 11:28:13 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 3 11:28:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] SPE for Second Shop Message-ID: In a message dated 7/3/2007 10:28:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Loren@inkonpaper.biz writes: I think we all agree that any shop doing $100,000 or less in SPE is below average. But how does that apply to to a second location. Since that location does not have offset presses and only limited bindery, should I expect a higher SPE? First, your $100,000 is already a well below "average" number. Try in the $112-115,000 as an average SPE and start there. Second, I am not sure that trying to isolate and calculate individual SPEs for a main shop as opposed to a second "copy shop" which is feeding work to a main shop as the best way to measure or compare real performance. I think a more basic P&L would suffice, but even then I would be looking more at overall performance as opposed to the individual locations. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From jdaghir at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 12:45:01 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Tue Jul 3 12:45:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] SPE for Second Shop In-Reply-To: <74E4F958-E79D-4821-B8B7-4A75A9A4BF8E@inkonpaper.biz> References: <74E4F958-E79D-4821-B8B7-4A75A9A4BF8E@inkonpaper.biz> Message-ID: <83d5b9620707030945n1b115ca8x89afa363e64f78f7@mail.gmail.com> I'm certainly not an expert, but my understanding was that shops that broker a significant portion of their sales should expect for a higher SPE, not lower. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Loren said: > I think we all agree that any shop doing $100,000 or less in SPE is > below average. > But how does that apply to to a second location. > Since that location does not have offset presses and only limited > bindery, should I expect a higher SPE? > > I think the comparison would be with a Copy Shop. > > What would be an acceptable SPE for a Copy Shop that brokered out all > it's printing? From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Tue Jul 3 12:47:09 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Tue Jul 3 12:47:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] SPEEEEE Message-ID: Exactly. But, if your locations are spread around in different states, as ours (were), each has to stand on it's own 2 feet. Larry Taylor..... "The problem with being in a rat race is that even if you win, you are still a rat." I think a more basic P&L would suffice, but even then I would be looking more at overall performance as opposed to the individual locations. John Stewart From si at ria.net Tue Jul 3 13:21:30 2007 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Tue Jul 3 13:21:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Kinko's SPE [WAS] SPE for Second Shop Message-ID: <20070703102130.7B741800@pop16.mta.everyone.net> The June 2007 issue of Graphic Arts Monthly ranks Kinko's third in gross revenues for North American printers during the past year. http://tinyurl.com/68m5/99429.htm Interestingly, Kinko's occupies the opposite position, 3rd from LAST, in their sales per employee ranking in the GAM Top 101 list. $99,429 SPE for 2006. That seemingly less than stellar SPE is the result of poor methodology on the part of the GAM folks. They appear to have taken gross revenues ($2,088,000) and divided that by the total number of employees (21,000). Their approach fails to account for the fact that a fairly large percentage of Kinko's employees are part time; GAM computed everybody as a full time employee when calculating Kinko's SPE. Actual sales per full time employee has to be well over $100,000. As an aside... average annual revenue per Kinko's location is $1,305,000 based on the numbers reported by GAM Magazine. Doug -- Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From printer at ptialaska.net Tue Jul 3 14:48:27 2007 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Tue Jul 3 14:48:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] HELP with photo to spot color Message-ID: We are working with photos that need to be spot color. Would I do this in Photoshop then import to indesign? HOW? _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From sos at olympus.net Tue Jul 3 14:53:51 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Jul 3 14:53:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] HELP with photo to spot color References: Message-ID: <040001c7bda3$7f399eb0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles A. Lincoln" > We are working with photos that need to be spot color. Would I do this in > Photoshop then import to indesign? > > HOW? ============================ If they are color, convert to grayscale then place in InDesign, select it with the hollow pointer, and assign your spot color there. One of the less intuitive things about InDesign. . . Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From bjohnson at nemont.net Tue Jul 3 17:49:23 2007 From: bjohnson at nemont.net (bob johnson) Date: Tue Jul 3 17:49:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 7760 Printing Message-ID: I just received a PDF of a folder that is full color on both sides. The background is of the sky that is light blue. and a few color pictures. Here is my questioin just how does one price this out so I don't lose my tail. It would be on a 70 lb Xerox color copy paper, and folded. Quantity 500 and 1,000. I am thinking about 50? a side so 500 would be $500 dollars, 1000, $1,000. Am I out of line or what . What would you people do? I would like a little insight on this if at all possible. Thank You Bob Johnson BJS printing From xeroid at kos.net Tue Jul 3 17:54:46 2007 From: xeroid at kos.net (Wayne) Date: Tue Jul 3 17:54:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] test Message-ID: <000a01c7bdbc$c57096e0$71c8a8c0@5FOREST> test From sos at olympus.net Tue Jul 3 18:34:10 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Jul 3 18:33:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 7760 Printing References: Message-ID: <00a001c7bdc2$46537c50$0300a8c0@DANIEL> I am thinking about 50? a side so 500 would be $500 dollars, 1000, $1,000. Am I out of line or what . ======================== Sounds good to me. Although I'd be charging about 99? per for 1000 and down to 79? for 2000 copies. But I'd probably be going on press for a price of a little under $700 including the folding for 1000, and about $600 for 500. That help? Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From si at ria.net Tue Jul 3 20:24:07 2007 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Tue Jul 3 20:24:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Kinko's SPE [WAS] SPE for Second Shop In-Reply-To: <20070703102130.7B741800@pop16.mta.everyone.net> References: <20070703102130.7B741800@pop16.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <20070703172402.7B74053D@pop16.mta.everyone.net> At 01:21 PM 7/3/2007, I wrote: >That seemingly less than stellar SPE is the result of poor >methodology on the part of the GAM folks. They appear to >have taken gross revenues ($2,088,000) and divided that by >the total number of employees (21,000). Shoulda been... That seemingly less than stellar SPE is the result of poor methodology on the part of the GAM folks. They appear to have taken gross revenues ($2,088,000,000) and divided that by the total number of employees (21,000). I left off a few zeros on Kinko's gross revenues. That's $2 BILLION+ folks. My apologies. -- Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From xeroid at kos.net Thu Jul 5 09:26:39 2007 From: xeroid at kos.net (Wayne) Date: Thu Jul 5 09:26:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Software to controll multiple printers ? Message-ID: <009901c7bf08$1f265d40$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> Does anyone know of a software ( windows based ) that can send a digital file to be printed to several printers instead of just one? I have 12 digital colour printers that I send jobs to all day manually, but would like this automated to make decisions for me. For example: The software should know which printers are available, distribute the run to multiple printers automatically etc. Thanks Wayne Stevenhaagen & Associates 332B Barrie Street Kingston Ontario Canada From xeroid at kos.net Thu Jul 5 09:42:30 2007 From: xeroid at kos.net (Wayne) Date: Thu Jul 5 09:42:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] NEW - FedEx Kinkos Message-ID: <00a901c7bf0a$5607d300$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> Looks like FedEx Kinkos have had this "send your files to us automatically" for some time now. This utility automatically integrates into the Windows environment and places an icon on the tool bar in Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and Outlook that instantly connects you to 1,100+ FedEx Kinko's locations. You can send your files from your computer to 1100 Kinkos locations Plus 3000 other Printers Nation Wide! Who are the other 3000 Printers built into the software? Go here for the FREE download : http://www.download.com/File-Print-FedEx-Kinko-s/3000-9694_4-10450817.html?tag=lst-0-6 Wayne Stevenhaagen & Associates 332B Barrie Street Kingston Ontario Canada From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 10:04:41 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu Jul 5 10:04:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 7760 Printing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707050704w497ea210tf444cefb56daff36@mail.gmail.com> On 7/3/07, bob johnson wrote: > > Here is my questioin just how does one price this out so I don't lose my tail. > It would be on a 70 lb Xerox color copy paper, and folded. > Quantity 500 and 1,000. > I am thinking about 50? a side so 500 would be $500 dollars, 1000, $1,000. > Am I out of line or what . Bob, the object of the game is NOT to minimize the loss of your tail, but to make as much as you can on the job while selling it at a price that will (a) win the job and (b) seem a fair value to your customer. We have to get out of the price-per-color-copy mentality of the days when we did a lot of onesy/twosies and off-the-glass copies, and start thinking of these jobs as color printing jobs. So, to simplify -- (1) Amortize all of your fixed monthly costs for your color printer & RIP over the average number of clicks you do in a month. (2) Add your hard cost per piece (i.e., clicks, toner/developer if not included in clicks, paper) -- to arrive at your total cost per click. (3) What alternatives do local customers have for this job? I.e., what is the local market price for offset vs. digital at various quantity levels? (4) Determine price levels based on a knowledge of the above. Depending on your equipment and your efficiency, you can probably achieve a range of gross margins from in excess of 85% for small quantities to 50-60% for large quantities selling at prices that can compete with offset. (5) Only you can determine how low a margin you're willing to sell at. For example, with a 50 cpm machine, selling at a price that yields a gross margin of only, say, 9 cents per click, operating on a long run at 85% of rated machine speed (i.e. 42.5 cpm), you will still generate a gross *margin* of $230/hour, hardly a tail-losing rate. HTH more than a specific recommended selling price. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From kellycrom at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 12:24:16 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Thu Jul 5 12:24:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Software to controll multiple printers ? In-Reply-To: <009901c7bf08$1f265d40$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> References: <009901c7bf08$1f265d40$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> Message-ID: <00ec01c7bf20$eed78970$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Try a google search of "cluster printing". Looks like there are a few options. I remember that there was a company called T/R Systems that had production level solution for this, and now EFI owns them(surprise). The system is called MicroPress. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Wayne > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 8:27 AM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Software to controll multiple printers ? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does anyone know of a software ( windows based ) that can > send a digital > file to be printed to several printers instead of just one? > > I have 12 digital colour printers that I send jobs to all day > manually, but > would like this automated to make decisions for me. For > example: The > software should know which printers are available, distribute > the run to > multiple printers automatically etc. > > Thanks > > Wayne Stevenhaagen & Associates > 332B Barrie Street > Kingston Ontario Canada > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From ep101 at technaprint.com Thu Jul 5 12:38:14 2007 From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson) Date: Thu Jul 5 12:38:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Document Assembly Project Message-ID: I have a client that would like to send us a text file containing: Name Clinic Clinic City, ST And the file names of 7-10 chapters These items need to be printed out on our DocuTech and coil bound with the cover personalized with the first three items. They all have a static inside front cover and static inside and outside back cover. The rest of the material is chosen from a potential of about 80 different chapters. We need an automated means of pulling all this together and then paginating the work beginning with page 1 on the first chapter through about page 150 on the last chapter. This work is currently being done on a DocuTech using VIPP at another shop. I understand Xerox's VIPP is very powerful and that it requires a "near-programmer" to run it. My question to the group is whether or not there is an alternative product out there that will do the job and if so, what? Of course, we could manually pull the stuff together, but the shear volume and price point dictates that we have as little operator time into it as possible. Any ideas??? Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com From slb at inkspot.net Thu Jul 5 12:50:12 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu Jul 5 12:50:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Document Assembly Project In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <468CE904.13968.81DBB70@slb.inkspot.net> Eric, I'm pretty sure Fusion Pro can do this, and it's probably the lowest- cost of the VDP packages available. The down-side seems to be that it needs "compile" time before it prints, while the more expensive VDP packages claim to compile on the fly. Part of the power of any VDP package is reflected in the programmability, which is a function of the programming language embedded in the package. Fusion Pro uses a variant of JavaScript, which is fairly straightforward if you've done any programming, but, if you haven't, you'll have to learn. Since you already have a programmers' solution, I'm not sure exchanging one for another will be a positive step. Steve > > I have a client that would like to send us a text file containing: > > Name > Clinic > Clinic City, ST > And the file names of 7-10 chapters > > These items need to be printed out on our DocuTech and coil bound with the > cover personalized with the first three items. They all have a static inside > front cover and static inside and outside back cover. The rest of the > material is chosen from a potential of about 80 different chapters. > > We need an automated means of pulling all this together and then paginating > the work beginning with page 1 on the first chapter through about page 150 > on the last chapter. > > This work is currently being done on a DocuTech using VIPP at another shop. > I understand Xerox's VIPP is very powerful and that it requires a > "near-programmer" to run it. My question to the group is whether or not > there is an alternative product out there that will do the job and if so, > what? > > Of course, we could manually pull the stuff together, but the shear volume > and price point dictates that we have as little operator time into it as > possible. > > Any ideas??? > > Eric Pearson > President/C.E.O. > > ------------ > > TechnaPrint, Inc. > 909 Garfield Street > Eugene, OR 97402-2706 > (541) 344-4062 > (541) 344-1765 Fax > > ep101@technaprint.com > www.technaprint.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2379 (20070704) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From gerrye at porathprintsource.com Thu Jul 5 13:05:55 2007 From: gerrye at porathprintsource.com (Gerry Engelhart) Date: Thu Jul 5 13:06:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:Excel Guru References: <20070704160003.A260E95A066@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <002c01c7bf26$c026cfe0$6800000a@Engelhart> Anyone out there willing to look at a spread sheet I have. Somehow it has become a 200-300 page worksheet with a billion page breaks and I cannot get rid of them. i do not know what I did and cannot get this back to a regular plain spreadsheet e-mail me at printger@aol.com and I can send you the sheet for you to work your magic on gerry Engelhart Porath Printsource 216-626-0060 From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Thu Jul 5 14:51:40 2007 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Thu Jul 5 14:51:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:Excel Guru In-Reply-To: <002c01c7bf26$c026cfe0$6800000a@Engelhart> References: <20070704160003.A260E95A066@rb.enter.net> <002c01c7bf26$c026cfe0$6800000a@Engelhart> Message-ID: Did you set the page size to other than letter? Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz On Jul 5, 2007, at 1:05 PM, Gerry Engelhart wrote: > Somehow it has become a 200-300 page worksheet with a billion page > breaks > and I cannot get rid of them. From joe at calagaz.com Thu Jul 5 14:58:40 2007 From: joe at calagaz.com (Joe Calagaz) Date: Thu Jul 5 14:58:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Used Equipment Message-ID: I have a local shop closing and they are selling a used QM46 (1998 model), a used Ryobi 3200XL, and a Baum 714 air fed folder.....I am looking at these, but really are looking for a "deal" (ie I am not really in the need of these, but I do need some type of small duplicator press for envelopes) Anybody have idea of the values of any of these machines......thanks Joe Calagaz Calagaz Digital Printing Mobile, AL 36606 251-478-0487 From thom at acepm.com Thu Jul 5 15:00:51 2007 From: thom at acepm.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Thu Jul 5 15:01:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Document Assembly Project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02ae01c7bf36$cecb2ef0$6c618cd0$@com> Eric, How many of these are you looking to produce? Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing 10 South Main Street Berlin, Maryland? 21811-1427 410-641-3636 / FAX 410-641-1167 Web Page: www.ACEPM.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider and a Microsoft Publisher Service Provider. We offer mailing services for First, Second and Standard class mailings. We handle everything from concept...to printing...to mailing! Ask us how we can SAVE YOU MONEY!!! -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Eric Pearson Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 12:38 PM To: printowners printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Document Assembly Project ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a client that would like to send us a text file containing: Name Clinic Clinic City, ST And the file names of 7-10 chapters These items need to be printed out on our DocuTech and coil bound with the cover personalized with the first three items. They all have a static inside front cover and static inside and outside back cover. The rest of the material is chosen from a potential of about 80 different chapters. We need an automated means of pulling all this together and then paginating the work beginning with page 1 on the first chapter through about page 150 on the last chapter. This work is currently being done on a DocuTech using VIPP at another shop. I understand Xerox's VIPP is very powerful and that it requires a "near-programmer" to run it. My question to the group is whether or not there is an alternative product out there that will do the job and if so, what? Of course, we could manually pull the stuff together, but the shear volume and price point dictates that we have as little operator time into it as possible. Any ideas??? Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From tammie at macombprinter.com Thu Jul 5 16:09:10 2007 From: tammie at macombprinter.com (Tammie at Quickprinters) Date: Thu Jul 5 16:11:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Targets for Shooting In-Reply-To: <00a901c7bf0a$5607d300$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> Message-ID: This is a request from a current customer. Can anyone print these, or give me an idea of where to have them done? He wants full body targets printed on rolls of paper so that he can just tear them off as he goes. He wants to have 100 targets per roll, about 21" or so wide. I don't know how tall, he just really wanted to know if it was even possible. They need to be on paper that is strong enough that if it gets wet, it will still dry out ok. Thanks, Tammie Tammie Speer, owner **************** Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ______________________________ QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com/ A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ Or call for a FREE CD full of information. ______________________________ From noel.alford at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 16:15:37 2007 From: noel.alford at gmail.com (Noel Alford) Date: Thu Jul 5 16:15:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Targets for Shooting In-Reply-To: References: <00a901c7bf0a$5607d300$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> Message-ID: <82db7cdd0707051315rff3b53dw2000f3f652e58980@mail.gmail.com> I don't know where to get it done but be sure the paper you use is good for that use. When you shoot a regular paper, it tears so the hole is not as small as it should be. This can make a hit inside the x ring fall outside or vice versa. The paper used in targets does not tear, it just allows the bullet or pellet to poke a hole where it goes. If you find out what the paper type is, please share it with me. On 7/5/07, Tammie at Quickprinters wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > This is a request from a current customer. Can anyone print these, or give > me an idea of where to have them done? > > > He wants full body targets printed on rolls of paper so that he can just > tear them off as he goes. He wants to have 100 targets per roll, about 21" > or so wide. I don't know how tall, he just really wanted to know if it was > even possible. They need to be on paper that is strong enough that if it > gets wet, it will still dry out ok. > > Thanks, > Tammie > > > Tammie Speer, owner > **************** > Tammie@MacombPrinter.com > ______________________________ > QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS > 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 > http://www.macombprinter.com/ > > A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! > Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? > http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ > Or call for a FREE CD full of information. > ______________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Noel Alford The Document Imaging Group 401 East Capitol Street Suite 400 Jackson, MS 39201 601.948.1101 From si at ria.net Thu Jul 5 17:21:28 2007 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Thu Jul 5 17:21:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] FilePrintFedExKinkos [WAS] NEW - FedEx Kinkos In-Reply-To: <00a901c7bf0a$5607d300$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> References: <00a901c7bf0a$5607d300$0100a8c0@megy2yn7o6rj96> Message-ID: <20070705142132.7B74C9A6@pop16.mta.everyone.net> At 09:42 AM 7/5/2007, Wayne Stevenhaagen wrote: >Looks like FedEx Kinkos have had this "send your files to us >automatically" for some time now. >You can send your files from your computer to 1100 Kinkos locations >Plus 3000 other Printers Nation Wide! Who are the other 3000 >Printers built into the software? Yep, this utility has been around in its present form since at least October 2005. I don't believe it connects to anybody other than Kinko's. The 3000+ "printers" may refer to physical machines within Kinko's stores that are directly connected to the Internet... the ones that would process orders placed via this print driver. One reason you might want to install this driver on your computer is that you can use it to rapidly ascertain Kinko's retail pricing for specific jobs, as long as they are not overly complex. Doug -- Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From ep101 at technaprint.com Thu Jul 5 18:33:58 2007 From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson) Date: Thu Jul 5 18:34:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Document Assembly Project In-Reply-To: <02ae01c7bf36$cecb2ef0$6c618cd0$@com> Message-ID: > Eric, > > How many of these are you looking to produce? > > Initially, they will be coming in daily. There will be about 150-200 books per month...growing from there. Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com From bob at rjmprinting.com Fri Jul 6 09:40:29 2007 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Fri Jul 6 09:40:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Targets for Shooting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tammie, I happen to have a pallet of this paper which was basically abandoned by a customer. We have it in sheets not rolls. Specs are: 21X36 10,000 sheets 90# Target Paper Salmon Vendor was: Riverside Paper Corp. 800 South Lawe St. Appleton, WI 54915 If your interested in purchasing this paper, let me know. Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tammie at Quickprinters Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:09 PM To: Printowners List Subject: [PrintOwners] Targets for Shooting ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** This is a request from a current customer. Can anyone print these, or give me an idea of where to have them done? He wants full body targets printed on rolls of paper so that he can just tear them off as he goes. He wants to have 100 targets per roll, about 21" or so wide. I don't know how tall, he just really wanted to know if it was even possible. They need to be on paper that is strong enough that if it gets wet, it will still dry out ok. Thanks, Tammie Tammie Speer, owner **************** Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ______________________________ QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com/ A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ Or call for a FREE CD full of information. ______________________________ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jedwards at printzilla.net Fri Jul 6 09:54:15 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Fri Jul 6 09:56:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Targets for Shooting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <177BFB83-8A79-419B-BA18-7FADCE239FF7@printzilla.net> On Jul 6, 2007, at 8:40 AM, Bob Molacek wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Tammie, > > I happen to have a pallet of this paper which was basically > abandoned by a customer. We have it in sheets not rolls. Specs are: > > 21X36 10,000 sheets 90# Target Paper Salmon > That's Sal-Mon here. Back up North it was sammen. We had tons of that stuff stacked in the shop for years. One of those good deals. Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas From tammie at macombprinter.com Fri Jul 6 12:58:55 2007 From: tammie at macombprinter.com (Tammie at Quickprinters) Date: Fri Jul 6 13:01:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Targets for Shooting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bob, I'm waiting for the customer to call me. I'm not sure how many he wants. He had only said 100 per roll, so who knows how many rolls. That is one of my biggest pet peeves around here. I've always told the employees that anything can be printed, but without an approximate quantity, it makes finding out prices a lot harder. Do you think this paper would go through a Super Zoomer? (It is a big copier) I can't imagine they need 10,000 though, maybe only 1,000 or so. I'll get back to you. Tammie > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Tammie, > > I happen to have a pallet of this paper which was basically abandoned by a > customer. We have it in sheets not rolls. Specs are: > > 21X36 10,000 sheets 90# Target Paper Salmon > > Vendor was: > Riverside Paper Corp. > 800 South Lawe St. > Appleton, WI 54915 > > If your interested in purchasing this paper, let me know. > > Bob Molacek > Sir Speedy Printing > 7793 Ranchers Road > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > This is a request from a current customer. Can anyone print these, or give > me an idea of where to have them done? > > > He wants full body targets printed on rolls of paper so that he can just > tear them off as he goes. He wants to have 100 targets per roll, about 21" > or so wide. I don't know how tall, he just really wanted to know if it was > even possible. They need to be on paper that is strong enough that if it > gets wet, it will still dry out ok. > > Thanks, > Tammie > > > Tammie Speer, owner > **************** > Tammie@MacombPrinter.com > ______________________________ > QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS > 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 > http://www.macombprinter.com/ > > A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! > Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? > http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ > Or call for a FREE CD full of information. From bob at rjmprinting.com Fri Jul 6 13:24:19 2007 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Fri Jul 6 13:28:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Targets for Shooting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm not familiar with the Super Zoomer. Concern would be whether or not the toner(?) would adhere to the paper. Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tammie at Quickprinters Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 11:59 AM To: Printowners List Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Targets for Shooting ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Bob, I'm waiting for the customer to call me. I'm not sure how many he wants. He had only said 100 per roll, so who knows how many rolls. That is one of my biggest pet peeves around here. I've always told the employees that anything can be printed, but without an approximate quantity, it makes finding out prices a lot harder. Do you think this paper would go through a Super Zoomer? (It is a big copier) I can't imagine they need 10,000 though, maybe only 1,000 or so. I'll get back to you. Tammie > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Tammie, > > I happen to have a pallet of this paper which was basically abandoned by a > customer. We have it in sheets not rolls. Specs are: > > 21X36 10,000 sheets 90# Target Paper Salmon > > Vendor was: > Riverside Paper Corp. > 800 South Lawe St. > Appleton, WI 54915 > > If your interested in purchasing this paper, let me know. > > Bob Molacek > Sir Speedy Printing > 7793 Ranchers Road > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > This is a request from a current customer. Can anyone print these, or give > me an idea of where to have them done? > > > He wants full body targets printed on rolls of paper so that he can just > tear them off as he goes. He wants to have 100 targets per roll, about 21" > or so wide. I don't know how tall, he just really wanted to know if it was > even possible. They need to be on paper that is strong enough that if it > gets wet, it will still dry out ok. > > Thanks, > Tammie > > > Tammie Speer, owner > **************** > Tammie@MacombPrinter.com > ______________________________ > QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS > 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 > http://www.macombprinter.com/ > > A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! > Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? > http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ > Or call for a FREE CD full of information. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From tammie at macombprinter.com Fri Jul 6 13:39:34 2007 From: tammie at macombprinter.com (Tammie at Quickprinters) Date: Fri Jul 6 13:42:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Targets for Shooting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We have run many kinds of stocks through this, except glossy. We can put 80# Cover or 20# Bond through it. Yes, toner. Tammie > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I'm not familiar with the Super Zoomer. Concern would be whether or not the > toner(?) would adhere to the paper. > > Bob Molacek > Sir Speedy Printing > 7793 Ranchers Road > Fridley, MN 55432 > 763-571-4608 > bob@rjmprinting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tammie at Quickprinters > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 11:59 AM > To: Printowners List > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Targets for Shooting > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Bob, > I'm waiting for the customer to call me. I'm not sure how many he wants. He > had only said 100 per roll, so who knows how many rolls. That is one of my > biggest pet peeves around here. I've always told the employees that anything > can be printed, but without an approximate quantity, it makes finding out > prices a lot harder. > > Do you think this paper would go through a Super Zoomer? (It is a big > copier) > > I can't imagine they need 10,000 though, maybe only 1,000 or so. > > I'll get back to you. > > Tammie > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Tammie, >> >> I happen to have a pallet of this paper which was basically abandoned by a >> customer. We have it in sheets not rolls. Specs are: >> >> 21X36 10,000 sheets 90# Target Paper Salmon >> >> Vendor was: >> Riverside Paper Corp. >> 800 South Lawe St. >> Appleton, WI 54915 >> >> If your interested in purchasing this paper, let me know. >> >> Bob Molacek >> Sir Speedy Printing >> 7793 Ranchers Road > >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> This is a request from a current customer. Can anyone print these, or give >> me an idea of where to have them done? >> >> >> He wants full body targets printed on rolls of paper so that he can just >> tear them off as he goes. He wants to have 100 targets per roll, about 21" >> or so wide. I don't know how tall, he just really wanted to know if it was >> even possible. They need to be on paper that is strong enough that if it >> gets wet, it will still dry out ok. >> >> Thanks, >> Tammie >> >> >> Tammie Speer, owner >> **************** >> Tammie@MacombPrinter.com >> ______________________________ >> QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS >> 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 >> http://www.macombprinter.com/ >> >> A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! >> Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? >> http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ >> Or call for a FREE CD full of information. From priorityprinting at comcast.net Fri Jul 6 16:34:55 2007 From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net) Date: Fri Jul 6 16:35:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Coil Binding Message-ID: <070620072034.5243.468EA76F0008CA530000147B22070029530902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Not sure what I should be charging for this job and would appreciate any guidelines. A total of 29 20# sheets printed in black ink one sided. Clear cover front and 80#C black back with spiral binding. Really not sure what to charge for the spiral binding. The sheets we will just run on our B&W copier. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 810 487-1700 From jdowning at libertygrouponline.com Fri Jul 6 17:40:51 2007 From: jdowning at libertygrouponline.com (Joy Downing) Date: Fri Jul 6 16:41:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Coil Binding References: <070620072034.5243.468EA76F0008CA530000147B22070029530902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <099801c7c016$53021f50$1401a8c0@JOY2> We charge .65 for the clear front and a minimum of 1.25 for wire-o binding, it includes an 80lb. white cover back. Hope that helps. Joy Downing The Liberty Group Bowling Green, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 2:34 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Coil Binding > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Not sure what I should be charging for this job and would appreciate any > guidelines. > > A total of 29 20# sheets printed in black ink one sided. > > Clear cover front and 80#C black back with spiral binding. > > Really not sure what to charge for the spiral binding. > > The sheets we will just run on our B&W copier. > > Jeff Farber > Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. > 1323 E. Main Street > Flushing, MI 48433 > > 810 487-1700 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Fri Jul 6 17:54:01 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Fri Jul 6 17:55:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Coil Binding In-Reply-To: <070620072034.5243.468EA76F0008CA530000147B22070029530902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> References: <070620072034.5243.468EA76F0008CA530000147B22070029530902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: .33 for clear plastic cover and $1.34 for 8mm coil + $5.25 setup (6mm only goes up to 30 sheets of 20# bond so your 2 covers will put you to the next size and we only carry even numbered sizes). I double my cost for blank paper stock for covers but make sure you don't have to order more stock than you need (minimum order) since it is black and you probably don't have black stock around. Astrobright Eclipse works well. Just charge your normal for copying. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of priorityprinting@comcast.net Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 3:35 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Coil Binding ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** A total of 29 20# sheets printed in black ink one sided. Clear cover front and 80#C black back with spiral binding. Really not sure what to charge for the spiral binding. E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.186) Database version: 5.07630 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From brianoday at eprint.us Fri Jul 6 19:24:23 2007 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Fri Jul 6 19:24:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Coil Binding In-Reply-To: References: <070620072034.5243.468EA76F0008CA530000147B22070029530902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000f01c7c024$ca220010$7801a8c0@Brian> Does anyone have a pricing grid for various sizes of coil binding? Brian O'Day ePrint Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark Lake Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 2:54 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Coil Binding ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** .33 for clear plastic cover and $1.34 for 8mm coil + $5.25 setup (6mm only goes up to 30 sheets of 20# bond so your 2 covers will put you to the next size and we only carry even numbered sizes). I double my cost for blank paper stock for covers but make sure you don't have to order more stock than you need (minimum order) since it is black and you probably don't have black stock around. Astrobright Eclipse works well. Just charge your normal for copying. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of priorityprinting@comcast.net Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 3:35 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Coil Binding ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** A total of 29 20# sheets printed in black ink one sided. Clear cover front and 80#C black back with spiral binding. Really not sure what to charge for the spiral binding. E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.186) Database version: 5.07630 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dominick at fmtc.com Fri Jul 6 21:53:19 2007 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Joe Dominick) Date: Fri Jul 6 20:55:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] CLC 1120 scanning Message-ID: <6fc85d285e9f51541d106f91c1985949@fmtc.com> Is anyone able to scan from their CLC 1120 using OS 10.3 or 4? Our old G3 has just about had it, and we really like the scanner. I have searched Canon site for software, drivers, but nothing works. Using a Z40 rip. Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! From zapit at zapcolor.com Sat Jul 7 09:36:50 2007 From: zapit at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez) Date: Sat Jul 7 09:40:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] High MPG delivery vehicle? In-Reply-To: <20070706232435.9C2A39666C0@rb.enter.net> References: <20070706232435.9C2A39666C0@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <52B28ADB-16CC-4CF1-A184-B07F912AE37E@zapcolor.com> > We are looking for a high mileage, small hatchback or ?? for our smaller deliveries. We will still use the Astro Van for larger deliveries, but 3/4 of our deliveries have been with the PT Cruiser, and now we are looking at replacing it. Thanks Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com From jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com Sat Jul 7 09:42:47 2007 From: jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com (Jim Quinn) Date: Sat Jul 7 09:48:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Coil Binding In-Reply-To: <070620072034.5243.468EA76F0008CA530000147B22070029530902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: We'd charge $.01 per sheet for punching & $1.25 per coil for spiral binding. Jim Quinn Sir Speedy 4043 15323 Midway Road Addison, TX 75001 Phone 972-788-4266 Fax 972-788-2367 jquinn@sirspeedy4043.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of priorityprinting@comcast.net Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 3:35 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Coil Binding ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Not sure what I should be charging for this job and would appreciate any guidelines. A total of 29 20# sheets printed in black ink one sided. Clear cover front and 80#C black back with spiral binding. Really not sure what to charge for the spiral binding. The sheets we will just run on our B&W copier. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 810 487-1700 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpurvine1 at cox.net Sat Jul 7 10:04:02 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Sat Jul 7 10:04:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] High MPG delivery vehicle? In-Reply-To: <52B28ADB-16CC-4CF1-A184-B07F912AE37E@zapcolor.com> References: <20070706232435.9C2A39666C0@rb.enter.net> <52B28ADB-16CC-4CF1-A184-B07F912AE37E@zapcolor.com> Message-ID: <003101c7c09f$acd016c0$0300a8c0@corapurvine> We are thinking about a 3 Wheeler for very small deliveries during nice weather Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Eugene Montanez Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 8:37 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] High MPG delivery vehicle? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > We are looking for a high mileage, small hatchback or ?? for our smaller deliveries. We will still use the Astro Van for larger deliveries, but 3/4 of our deliveries have been with the PT Cruiser, and now we are looking at replacing it. Thanks Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2383 (20070706) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From info at towinglogs.com Sat Jul 7 11:05:21 2007 From: info at towinglogs.com (Paul DiModica) Date: Sat Jul 7 11:05:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] High MPG delivery vehicle? In-Reply-To: <52B28ADB-16CC-4CF1-A184-B07F912AE37E@zapcolor.com> References: <20070706232435.9C2A39666C0@rb.enter.net> <52B28ADB-16CC-4CF1-A184-B07F912AE37E@zapcolor.com> Message-ID: <468FABB1.4070604@towinglogs.com> Our business leased a 2007 Toyota Prius, and we get anywhere from 48-52 miles a gallon. Was well worth it. Has plenty of pickup. Back seat folds down for more room. Reading on line, it appears the older models are holding their value. We expect to buy it out at the end of the lease. Paul DiModica Mayflower Publishing 25 Starline Way Cranston, RI 02921 401-275-0254 info@towinglogs.com From mkb1 at good-impressions.com Sat Jul 7 13:09:05 2007 From: mkb1 at good-impressions.com (Marian Bredin) Date: Sat Jul 7 12:09:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] High MPG delivery vehicle? In-Reply-To: <52B28ADB-16CC-4CF1-A184-B07F912AE37E@zapcolor.com> Message-ID: <20070707160914.97EF696A8B0@rb.enter.net> We use a Mini Cooper pulling a matching, small trailer--both have Good Impressions lettering. We use car only for small deliveries and get decent mpg. With the trailer, it's a great billboard, but not great mpg. Marian Marian Bredin Good Impressions Inc 325 W Washington Ave. Washington, NJ 07882 908-689-3071 Fax: 908-689-7369 http://www.good-impressions.com From inkyhand at gmail.com Sat Jul 7 14:00:41 2007 From: inkyhand at gmail.com (Ron Livingston) Date: Sat Jul 7 14:00:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] High MPG delivery vehicle? In-Reply-To: <52B28ADB-16CC-4CF1-A184-B07F912AE37E@zapcolor.com> References: <20070706232435.9C2A39666C0@rb.enter.net> <52B28ADB-16CC-4CF1-A184-B07F912AE37E@zapcolor.com> Message-ID: <5c2107b30707071100x4b4e3c62p4c03168c6612de58@mail.gmail.com> You might look at the newly restyled Scion Xb wagon. They have rounded off the corners from the original design & have increased the horsepower some. Also, maybe look at the Honda Element. Both of these cars still have enough of a "funky" look that they stand out with graphics on them. Ron On 7/7/07, Eugene Montanez wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > We are looking for a high mileage, small hatchback or ?? for our > smaller deliveries. > We will still use the Astro Van for larger deliveries, but 3/4 of our > deliveries have been with the PT Cruiser, and now we are looking at > replacing it. > -- Ron Livingston Cornerstone Press 1228 Scyene, Suite 117 Mesquite, TX 75149 (972) 285-4670 From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Sat Jul 7 15:17:33 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Sat Jul 7 15:17:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Delivery vehicle Message-ID: Hi Eugene....this does not answer your question, but.....we had 2 vehicles totaled by our drivers within 18 months. Both accidents were our fault. We've since turned all deliveries over to a courier firm. They are prompt, courteous, and we have no liability. We used to spend $2,000 a month for vehicle payments, insurance, fuel, maintenence. We still pay the same amount to the courier company. They deliver anything from a box of business cards to a dozen or so paper cartons. It took us a few months to turn them loose on our best customers, but hey, we are a 'best customer' of Xerox, and they use a delivery company too! I find this to be very professional and one less headache. Larry DPP/Tucson > We are looking for a high mileage, small hatchback or ?? for our smaller deliveries. We will still use the Astro Van for larger deliveries, but 3/4 of our deliveries have been with the PT Cruiser, and now we are looking at replacing it. From huntleyw at bellsouth.net Sat Jul 7 16:29:04 2007 From: huntleyw at bellsouth.net (Bill Huntley) Date: Sat Jul 7 15:28:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] High MPG delivery vehicle? References: <20070706232435.9C2A39666C0@rb.enter.net> <52B28ADB-16CC-4CF1-A184-B07F912AE37E@zapcolor.com> Message-ID: <001f01c7c0d5$78327c10$16e60641@bills4drj3ddzy> I really like Larry's solution, but to answer your question, I suggest a used 01-03 Toyota RAV4. The back seats come out easily. I transported a Ricoh 551 copier with finisher with some little room to spare. I get 27.5 mpg in mixed driving. The Scion is a good choice, too. Bill Huntley Universal Copies Columbia, SC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eugene Montanez" To: Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 8:36 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] High MPG delivery vehicle? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > We are looking for a high mileage, small hatchback or ?? for our > smaller deliveries. > We will still use the Astro Van for larger deliveries, but 3/4 of our > deliveries have been with the PT Cruiser, and now we are looking at > replacing it. > > > Thanks > > > Eugene Montanez > ZAP Printing & Graphics > 127 Radio Rd > Corona, CA 92879 > 951-734-8181 > > Zapit@zapcolor.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From wayne at printingonline.com Sat Jul 7 15:33:51 2007 From: wayne at printingonline.com (Wayne Yada) Date: Sat Jul 7 15:34:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] High MPG delivery vehicle? In-Reply-To: <52B28ADB-16CC-4CF1-A184-B07F912AE37E@zapcolor.com> References: <20070706232435.9C2A39666C0@rb.enter.net> <52B28ADB-16CC-4CF1-A184-B07F912AE37E@zapcolor.com> Message-ID: <000001c7c0cd$c2c27120$48475360$@com> We recently bought a Prius for the ultimate fuel efficient delivery vehicle. It also replaced our PT Cruiser, and we have found it more than adequate for most deliveries. Of course we also still have our full sized GMC cargo van for the bigger stuff. Give me a call if you want to talk about it further. Wayne Yada wayne@printingonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Eugene Montanez Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 6:37 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] High MPG delivery vehicle? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > We are looking for a high mileage, small hatchback or ?? for our smaller deliveries. We will still use the Astro Van for larger deliveries, but 3/4 of our deliveries have been with the PT Cruiser, and now we are looking at replacing it. Thanks Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From Susan at cdandp.net Sat Jul 7 17:28:23 2007 From: Susan at cdandp.net (Susan Compton) Date: Sat Jul 7 17:27:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] In Need of Support References: <070620072034.5243.468EA76F0008CA530000147B22070029530902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00da01c7c0dd$bf85c970$6702a8c0@SUSAN> Dear Printowner Friends, I'm not sure why I am writing this, except that you are my friends. I am in need of your hugs and prayers right now. My husband of 31 years, and only 52 years old, passed away peacefully in his sleep sometime during the night of July 6. It was probably a heart attack (family history ) or a diabetic coma, but I doubt he even felt distress because he looked so peaceful. I'm feeling very alone right now, but I'm even more concerned for his mother. She is 87, a widow since 1988, and Sam was her only child. She lives in a house on the same property as ours. You don't have to respond. I just needed to talk. Thanks. Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Street Lexington, Virginia 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net From cpurvine1 at cox.net Sat Jul 7 17:32:30 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Sat Jul 7 17:32:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] In Need of Support In-Reply-To: <00da01c7c0dd$bf85c970$6702a8c0@SUSAN> References: <070620072034.5243.468EA76F0008CA530000147B22070029530902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> <00da01c7c0dd$bf85c970$6702a8c0@SUSAN> Message-ID: <007301c7c0de$52b0a710$0300a8c0@corapurvine> Susan, thanks for sharing! Our prayers are with you! I can only imagine what you are going through...... Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Susan Compton Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 4:28 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] In Need of Support ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Dear Printowner Friends, I'm not sure why I am writing this, except that you are my friends. I am in need of your hugs and prayers right now. My husband of 31 years, and only 52 years old, passed away peacefully in his sleep sometime during the night of July 6. It was probably a heart attack (family history ) or a diabetic coma, but I doubt he even felt distress because he looked so peaceful. I'm feeling very alone right now, but I'm even more concerned for his mother. She is 87, a widow since 1988, and Sam was her only child. She lives in a house on the same property as ours. You don't have to respond. I just needed to talk. Thanks. Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Street Lexington, Virginia 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2383 (20070706) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From huntleyw at bellsouth.net Sat Jul 7 18:45:55 2007 From: huntleyw at bellsouth.net (Bill Huntley) Date: Sat Jul 7 17:44:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] In Need of Support References: <070620072034.5243.468EA76F0008CA530000147B22070029530902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> <00da01c7c0dd$bf85c970$6702a8c0@SUSAN> Message-ID: <001501c7c0e8$958649a0$1be40641@bills4drj3ddzy> You are being hugged right now. Our prayers all go to you and your family. Bill Huntley Universal Copies Columbia, SC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Compton" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 4:28 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] In Need of Support > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Dear Printowner Friends, > > I'm not sure why I am writing this, except that you are my friends. I am in > need of your hugs and prayers right now. My husband of 31 years, and only > 52 years old, passed away peacefully in his sleep sometime during the night > of July 6. It was probably a heart attack (family history ) or a diabetic > coma, but I doubt he even felt distress because he looked so peaceful. > > I'm feeling very alone right now, but I'm even more concerned for his > mother. She is 87, a widow since 1988, and Sam was her only child. She > lives in a house on the same property as ours. > > You don't have to respond. I just needed to talk. > > Thanks. > > Susan Wells Compton > Compton Design & Printing Inc. > 109 South Jefferson Street > Lexington, Virginia 24450 > 540-463-9232 > 540-464-4329 Fax > Susan@cdandp.net > www.cdandp.net > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From char at themasterspress.com Sat Jul 7 17:45:11 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Sat Jul 7 17:45:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] In Need of Support In-Reply-To: <00da01c7c0dd$bf85c970$6702a8c0@SUSAN> Message-ID: Susan, what a shock. I am terribly sorry to hear this. You have had so many changes in your life in this last year and this breaks my heart for your loss. I am speechless. I am sending a great big huge email hug to you and wish I could give it to you in person. I am home now and want you to know you can call me anytime. My cell number is 972=679-2293. Don't feel like you have to but I am here if you want to talk. I can be a good listener. Most of all though my prayers are with you and with Sam's mother. Blessings Charlene On 7/7/07 4:28 PM, "Susan Compton" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Dear Printowner Friends, > > I'm not sure why I am writing this, except that you are my friends. I am in > need of your hugs and prayers right now. My husband of 31 years, and only > 52 years old, passed away peacefully in his sleep sometime during the night > of July 6. It was probably a heart attack (family history ) or a diabetic > coma, but I doubt he even felt distress because he looked so peaceful. > > I'm feeling very alone right now, but I'm even more concerned for his > mother. She is 87, a widow since 1988, and Sam was her only child. She > lives in a house on the same property as ours. > > You don't have to respond. I just needed to talk. > > Thanks. > > Susan Wells Compton > Compton Design & Printing Inc. > 109 South Jefferson Street > Lexington, Virginia 24450 > 540-463-9232 > 540-464-4329 Fax > Susan@cdandp.net > www.cdandp.net > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Charlene Sims The Master?s Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 Fax 972-404-0317 Char@themasterspress.com From communicar at aol.com Sat Jul 7 17:52:32 2007 From: communicar at aol.com (communicar@aol.com) Date: Sat Jul 7 17:52:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] In Need of Support In-Reply-To: <00da01c7c0dd$bf85c970$6702a8c0@SUSAN> References: <070620072034.5243.468EA76F0008CA530000147B22070029530902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> <00da01c7c0dd$bf85c970$6702a8c0@SUSAN> Message-ID: <8C98EF841B502AE-96C-DB43@webmail-de04.sysops.aol.com> Susan, I am so sorry to read about your sudden loss. Please accept a warm embrace from me, and all the comfort and support you may receive from your printing industry family. Sincerely, Ken Azebu Communicart Graphics & Printing 499 Aldo Avenue Santa Clara, CA 95054 (408) 970-0922 (408) 970-8630 Fax -----Original Message----- From: Susan Compton To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 2:28 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] In Need of Support ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Dear Printowner Friends, I'm not sure why I am writing this, except that you are my friends. I am in need of your hugs and prayers right now. My husband of 31 years, and only 52 years old, passed away peacefully in his sleep sometime during the night of July 6. It was probably a heart attack (family history ) or a diabetic coma, but I doubt he even felt distress because he looked so peaceful. I'm feeling very alone right now, but I'm even more concerned for his mother. She is 87, a widow since 1988, and Sam was her only child. She lives in a house on the same property as ours. You don't have to respond. I just needed to talk. Thanks. Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Street Lexington, Virginia 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From keli at parchmentpress.net Sun Jul 8 10:27:41 2007 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Sun Jul 8 10:27:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fast and cheap inkjet Message-ID: <4690F45D.303@parchmentpress.net> I remember several months ago someone mentioned about a fast and inexpensive ink jet printer that I believe was from Israel that will be coming out soon. Does anyone recall the name of it? OR does anyone have a recommendation for a printer that is cheaper then color click (mine is 7.9 cents per page) small amount per page color and black pages . thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Parchment Press is a Cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes Communities - To learn more about our community and what we are all about - please feel free to email me off list or visit our website at : http://www.twelvetribes.com From jedwards at printzilla.net Sun Jul 8 11:43:10 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Sun Jul 8 11:45:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Delivery vehicle In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jul 7, 2007, at 2:17 PM, larry wrote: > We've since turned all deliveries over to a courier firm. They are > prompt, courteous, and we have no liability. We have 7 trucks here. Their ages cover a 74 year span. I still grieve over each and everyone of the vehicles I have ever sold, so I put a stop to it. I just keep them. The latest, a 2007 4wd Avalanche, in my opinion doesn't get the greatest gas mileage, so we use a delivery service for most deliveries. Jack Edwards Printing Plus Montgomery Co., TX From kevin at abfprints.com Sun Jul 8 12:27:50 2007 From: kevin at abfprints.com (Kevin Danko) Date: Sun Jul 8 12:28:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] In Need of Support In-Reply-To: <00da01c7c0dd$bf85c970$6702a8c0@SUSAN> References: <070620072034.5243.468EA76F0008CA530000147B22070029530902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> <00da01c7c0dd$bf85c970$6702a8c0@SUSAN> Message-ID: <000101c7c17c$fcf21ee0$49add84b@Danko> Susan, I am so sorry for you. I will pray that God will comfort you in this time of need in a way that only HE can. Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted. Matthew 5:4 Kevin Danko Advantage Business Forms 102 N. Riverside Ave. Rialto, CA 92376 (909) 875-7163 Fax: (909) 875-7971 E-mail: kevin@abfprints.com www.abfprints.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Susan Compton Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 2:28 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] In Need of Support ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Dear Printowner Friends, I'm not sure why I am writing this, except that you are my friends. I am in need of your hugs and prayers right now. My husband of 31 years, and only 52 years old, passed away peacefully in his sleep sometime during the night of July 6. It was probably a heart attack (family history ) or a diabetic coma, but I doubt he even felt distress because he looked so peaceful. I'm feeling very alone right now, but I'm even more concerned for his mother. She is 87, a widow since 1988, and Sam was her only child. She lives in a house on the same property as ours. You don't have to respond. I just needed to talk. Thanks. Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Street Lexington, Virginia 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mike at arborprinting.com Sun Jul 8 22:53:34 2007 From: mike at arborprinting.com (mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Sun Jul 8 22:54:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] In Need of Support References: <070620072034.5243.468EA76F0008CA530000147B22070029530902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> <00da01c7c0dd$bf85c970$6702a8c0@SUSAN> Message-ID: <010801c7c1d4$58295600$0100a8c0@den> May God be with you and your family in this difficult time, I am praying for you, your family and your husband. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Compton" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 4:28 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] In Need of Support > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Dear Printowner Friends, > > I'm not sure why I am writing this, except that you are my friends. I am in > need of your hugs and prayers right now. My husband of 31 years, and only > 52 years old, passed away peacefully in his sleep sometime during the night > of July 6. It was probably a heart attack (family history ) or a diabetic > coma, but I doubt he even felt distress because he looked so peaceful. > > I'm feeling very alone right now, but I'm even more concerned for his > mother. She is 87, a widow since 1988, and Sam was her only child. She > lives in a house on the same property as ours. > > You don't have to respond. I just needed to talk. > > Thanks. > > Susan Wells Compton > Compton Design & Printing Inc. > 109 South Jefferson Street > Lexington, Virginia 24450 > 540-463-9232 > 540-464-4329 Fax > Susan@cdandp.net > www.cdandp.net > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 2415 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len From gamble at choiceonemail.com Mon Jul 9 07:36:45 2007 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Mon Jul 9 07:36:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] In Need of Support In-Reply-To: <010801c7c1d4$58295600$0100a8c0@den> References: <070620072034.5243.468EA76F0008CA530000147B22070029530902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net><00da01c7c0dd$bf85c970$6702a8c0@SUSAN> <010801c7c1d4$58295600$0100a8c0@den> Message-ID: <039c01c7c21d$6e0f3900$0301a8c0@RICK> Susan, You and your Family are in my prayers at this time of sorrow and I offer all the hugs you need. Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mike@arborprinting.com Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 10:54 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] In Need of Support ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** May God be with you and your family in this difficult time, I am praying for you, your family and your husband. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Compton" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 4:28 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] In Need of Support > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Dear Printowner Friends, > > I'm not sure why I am writing this, except that you are my friends. I am in > need of your hugs and prayers right now. My husband of 31 years, and only > 52 years old, passed away peacefully in his sleep sometime during the night > of July 6. It was probably a heart attack (family history ) or a diabetic > coma, but I doubt he even felt distress because he looked so peaceful. > > I'm feeling very alone right now, but I'm even more concerned for his > mother. She is 87, a widow since 1988, and Sam was her only child. She > lives in a house on the same property as ours. > > You don't have to respond. I just needed to talk. > > Thanks. > > Susan Wells Compton > Compton Design & Printing Inc. > 109 South Jefferson Street > Lexington, Virginia 24450 > 540-463-9232 > 540-464-4329 Fax > Susan@cdandp.net > www.cdandp.net > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 2415 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From robin at protypeonline.com Mon Jul 9 09:35:34 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Mon Jul 9 09:34:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] High MPG delivery vehicle? Message-ID: <9755ED19-931A-46C8-AD5E-906C301FA4DE@protypeonline.com> Eugene, I just traded in my beloved Mini Cooper for a Pontiac Vibe -- same as Toyota Matrix but a few less $. 30-34 mpg...comfortable ride -- very practical hatchback and after 1700 miles...happy with purchase decision. Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From tstrickland at studiodesignsprinting.com Mon Jul 9 09:42:39 2007 From: tstrickland at studiodesignsprinting.com (tstrickland@studiodesignsprinting.com) Date: Mon Jul 9 09:42:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] ACT Help References: <070620072034.5243.468EA76F0008CA530000147B22070029530902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net><00da01c7c0dd$bf85c970$6702a8c0@SUSAN><010801c7c1d4$58295600$0100a8c0@den> <039c01c7c21d$6e0f3900$0301a8c0@RICK> Message-ID: <002e01c7c22f$04e95340$0600a8c0@TravisComp> We use ACT to manage our databases for current customers and prospects. I have a new prospect list and I need to print an address book that is sorted by city rather than company. I know how to sort this list by city on the screen but when you print it changes back to either company name or contact name. I can't find a way to print with any other options. I've fooled with this for two days now and I give up. If anyone has a clue please let me know. Thanks, Travis Studio Designs Printing Milledgeville, GA 31061 478-452-7721 From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Mon Jul 9 09:45:26 2007 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Mon Jul 9 09:45:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] High MPG delivery vehicle? In-Reply-To: <9755ED19-931A-46C8-AD5E-906C301FA4DE@protypeonline.com> References: <9755ED19-931A-46C8-AD5E-906C301FA4DE@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: Ford Focus Stationwagon 29 MPG very reliable large cargo area inexpensive Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz On Jul 9, 2007, at 9:35 AM, Robin Niewold wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Eugene, > I just traded in my beloved Mini Cooper for a Pontiac Vibe -- same > as Toyota Matrix but a few less $. 30-34 mpg...comfortable ride -- > very practical hatchback and after 1700 miles...happy with purchase > decision. > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From jgross at techiowa.com Mon Jul 9 09:46:04 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Mon Jul 9 09:46:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Coil Binding In-Reply-To: <000f01c7c024$ca220010$7801a8c0@Brian> Message-ID: <003f01c7c22f$7ec52810$1e00000a@tech.local> Coil Pricing up to 125 sheets-$3.25, 126-200-$3.50, 201-290-8.75, punching is included. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Brian O'Day Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 6:24 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Coil Binding ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Does anyone have a pricing grid for various sizes of coil binding? Brian O'Day ePrint Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark Lake Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 2:54 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Coil Binding ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** .33 for clear plastic cover and $1.34 for 8mm coil + $5.25 setup (6mm only goes up to 30 sheets of 20# bond so your 2 covers will put you to the next size and we only carry even numbered sizes). I double my cost for blank paper stock for covers but make sure you don't have to order more stock than you need (minimum order) since it is black and you probably don't have black stock around. Astrobright Eclipse works well. Just charge your normal for copying. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of priorityprinting@comcast.net Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 3:35 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Coil Binding ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** A total of 29 20# sheets printed in black ink one sided. Clear cover front and 80#C black back with spiral binding. Really not sure what to charge for the spiral binding. E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.186) Database version: 5.07630 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From tim at schreurprinting.com Mon Jul 9 09:49:26 2007 From: tim at schreurprinting.com (Tim Schreur) Date: Mon Jul 9 09:48:35 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] In Need of Support In-Reply-To: <00da01c7c0dd$bf85c970$6702a8c0@SUSAN> Message-ID: Our prayers are with you. Tim Schreur President Schreur Printing - Since 1946 "Our tradition is excellence, our technology is state of art" P 616-392-4405 F 616-392-4296 w www.schreurprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: Susan Compton [mailto:Susan@cdandp.net] Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 5:28 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] In Need of Support Dear Printowner Friends, I'm not sure why I am writing this, except that you are my friends. I am in need of your hugs and prayers right now. My husband of 31 years, and only 52 years old, passed away peacefully in his sleep sometime during the night of July 6. It was probably a heart attack (family history ) or a diabetic coma, but I doubt he even felt distress because he looked so peaceful. I'm feeling very alone right now, but I'm even more concerned for his mother. She is 87, a widow since 1988, and Sam was her only child. She lives in a house on the same property as ours. You don't have to respond. I just needed to talk. Thanks. Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Street Lexington, Virginia 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net From TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com Mon Jul 9 09:58:40 2007 From: TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com (Tom King) Date: Mon Jul 9 09:59:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - Kids, Keep Those Cards and Letters Coming! Message-ID: <001201c7c231$4181cc40$6600a8c0@Tom> Don't allow the powers that be at Adobe think we've all lost interest in or forgotten about that Kinko's link. Please continue to email or write them! I intend to send at least one email a week. Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com From TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com Mon Jul 9 10:12:31 2007 From: TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com (Tom King) Date: Mon Jul 9 10:12:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] High MPG delivery vehicle? In-Reply-To: References: <9755ED19-931A-46C8-AD5E-906C301FA4DE@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <001701c7c233$30695ac0$6600a8c0@Tom> 2006 Suzuki DL650 V-Strom with side cases and a Givi topcase. 53 miles per gallon. About 2,500 letterheads maximum capacity in the topcase. Or 2,000 #10 envelopes. Or a whole bunch of business card orders. "Oh, man, you mean the delivery guy didn't show up again! Darn! That means I 'gotta load up all those little orders on my bike and do it myself. What a pain, having to leave the shop and ride all over the county making deliveries on this beautiful summer morning." Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com From John at mpcny.com Mon Jul 9 10:30:52 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Mon Jul 9 10:30:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] High MPG delivery vehicle? In-Reply-To: <20070709134835.EC126973EE5@rb.enter.net> References: <20070709134835.EC126973EE5@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <000001c7c235$c0e46fc0$42ad4f40$@com> "Silver" 1997 Saturn wagon with 154m on it, "silver" gets 30 mpg and carries a lot. My daughter is 16 and hates "silver". I keep looking at a new one but the thing looks good and runs great. Yes, I know it is time to update, but darn thing is paid for, looks good (outside wise) and runs great. In case you wonder the name is from the lone ranger and when I pick her up with her friends and she is in one of her teen age moods. I call out loudly "Hi Ho Silver, away!" I then explain the whole Lone ranger, silver and Tonto. One of her friends will then tell me how this is a car not a horse. I quickly with a straight face will ask what powers a car? a motor and a motor is rated by?... horse power...Oh I am so mean. If I have not got enough groans at this point, I go on the tell them how the lone ranger is the original power ranger, at this point the ride is mostly over and my daughter has stopped talking to me for a day a least Kathy tells me to grow up... no way John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 6:32 PM From jedwards at printzilla.net Mon Jul 9 10:34:20 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Mon Jul 9 10:36:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] High MPG delivery vehicle? In-Reply-To: <001701c7c233$30695ac0$6600a8c0@Tom> References: <9755ED19-931A-46C8-AD5E-906C301FA4DE@protypeonline.com> <001701c7c233$30695ac0$6600a8c0@Tom> Message-ID: On Jul 9, 2007, at 9:12 AM, Tom King wrote: > > "Oh, man, you mean the delivery guy didn't show up again! Darn! > That means I > 'gotta load up all those little orders on my bike and do it myself. > What a > pain, having to leave the shop and ride all over the county making > deliveries on this beautiful summer morning." > Don't torture me! I'd love to be riding through the Pennsylvania countryside right now with this shop 1500 miles away. It would be like being in Heaven. Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas From gamble at choiceonemail.com Mon Jul 9 10:38:23 2007 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Mon Jul 9 10:38:35 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] High MPG delivery vehicle? In-Reply-To: <000001c7c235$c0e46fc0$42ad4f40$@com> References: <20070709134835.EC126973EE5@rb.enter.net> <000001c7c235$c0e46fc0$42ad4f40$@com> Message-ID: <03bb01c7c236$cda25960$0301a8c0@RICK> Just Bought a New Chevrolet HHR man is it cool and great ride and has lots of room for deliveries. I can follow up on mileage once I fill it up this week. Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. Orchard Park NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - fax Gamble@choiceonemail.com - email p.s. I also bought my self a New Mustang... -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 10:31 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] High MPG delivery vehicle? Importance: High ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** "Silver" 1997 Saturn wagon with 154m on it, "silver" gets 30 mpg and carries a lot. My daughter is 16 and hates "silver". I keep looking at a new one but the thing looks good and runs great. Yes, I know it is time to update, but darn thing is paid for, looks good (outside wise) and runs great. In case you wonder the name is from the lone ranger and when I pick her up with her friends and she is in one of her teen age moods. I call out loudly "Hi Ho Silver, away!" I then explain the whole Lone ranger, silver and Tonto. One of her friends will then tell me how this is a car not a horse. I quickly with a straight face will ask what powers a car? a motor and a motor is rated by?... horse power...Oh I am so mean. If I have not got enough groans at this point, I go on the tell them how the lone ranger is the original power ranger, at this point the ride is mostly over and my daughter has stopped talking to me for a day a least Kathy tells me to grow up... no way John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 6:32 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bradw at auburnprint.com Mon Jul 9 11:48:38 2007 From: bradw at auburnprint.com (Brad Weston) Date: Mon Jul 9 11:48:35 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] ACT Help In-Reply-To: <002e01c7c22f$04e95340$0600a8c0@TravisComp> References: <070620072034.5243.468EA76F0008CA530000147B22070029530902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> <00da01c7c0dd$bf85c970$6702a8c0@SUSAN> <010801c7c1d4$58295600$0100a8c0@den> <039c01c7c21d$6e0f3900$0301a8c0@RICK> <002e01c7c22f$04e95340$0600a8c0@TravisComp> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20070709084754.04694938@192.168.1.1> What version of ACT? Brad Weston Auburn Printers 13020 Earhart Ave Auburn CA 95602 "Endurance Capitol of the World" 530-885-9674 Phone 530-885-6517 Fax <http://www.auburnprint.com/> At 06:42 AM 7/9/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We use ACT to manage our databases for current customers and prospects. I >have a new prospect list and I need to print an address book that is >sorted by city rather than company. I know how to sort this list by city >on the screen but when you print it changes back to either company name or >contact name. I can't find a way to print with any other options. I've >fooled with this for two days now and I give up. If anyone has a clue >please let me know. > >Thanks, >Travis > >Studio Designs Printing >Milledgeville, GA 31061 >478-452-7721 >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From afpadc at afprinters.com Mon Jul 9 12:15:37 2007 From: afpadc at afprinters.com (Arthur Chotin) Date: Mon Jul 9 12:15:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] In Need of Support In-Reply-To: <00da01c7c0dd$bf85c970$6702a8c0@SUSAN> References: <070620072034.5243.468EA76F0008CA530000147B22070029530902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> <00da01c7c0dd$bf85c970$6702a8c0@SUSAN> Message-ID: <20070709161544.62A8C12B72@wellington.xo.com> Susan, I am so very sorry for this sudden and painful loss. No one who hasn't been through this can possibly know how devastating events like what you are going through can be. I send my sympathy, prayers and hugs to you and Sam's mother. Our thoughts are with you. Arthur Chotin At 05:28 PM 7/7/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Dear Printowner Friends, > >I'm not sure why I am writing this, except that you are my friends. I am in >need of your hugs and prayers right now. My husband of 31 years, and only >52 years old, passed away peacefully in his sleep sometime during the night >of July 6. It was probably a heart attack (family history ) or a diabetic >coma, but I doubt he even felt distress because he looked so peaceful. > >I'm feeling very alone right now, but I'm even more concerned for his >mother. She is 87, a widow since 1988, and Sam was her only child. She >lives in a house on the same property as ours. > >You don't have to respond. I just needed to talk. > >Thanks. > >Susan Wells Compton >Compton Design & Printing Inc. >109 South Jefferson Street >Lexington, Virginia 24450 >540-463-9232 >540-464-4329 Fax >Susan@cdandp.net >www.cdandp.net > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2385 (20070709) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com Arthur D. Chotin President American Financial Printers 734 15th Street, NW Washington, DC 20005 Tel: 202.464.5500 Fax: 202.464.5505 www.afprinters.com afpadc@afprinters.com From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Mon Jul 9 12:21:12 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Mon Jul 9 12:22:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] CMYK to spot Message-ID: I have a pdf document created by Lord only knows who that is cmyk. It needs to be spot color (process blue & black). Is there any way to fix this pdf? There are 2 panels where there is either a blue background with black knockout or vise versa. I don't know if one of the pdf utility programs will do this or not. If so, I am willing to pay someone to fix rather than me purchase a $600 program, at least at this time. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.186) Database version: 5.07670 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From tstrickland at studiodesignsprinting.com Mon Jul 9 12:34:12 2007 From: tstrickland at studiodesignsprinting.com (tstrickland@studiodesignsprinting.com) Date: Mon Jul 9 12:33:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] ACT Help References: <070620072034.5243.468EA76F0008CA530000147B22070029530902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net><00da01c7c0dd$bf85c970$6702a8c0@SUSAN><010801c7c1d4$58295600$0100a8c0@den><039c01c7c21d$6e0f3900$0301a8c0@RICK><002e01c7c22f$04e95340$0600a8c0@TravisComp> <6.0.0.22.2.20070709084754.04694938@192.168.1.1> Message-ID: <008601c7c246$fc1062a0$0600a8c0@TravisComp> 2005 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Weston" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] ACT Help > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > What version of ACT? > > Brad Weston > Auburn Printers > 13020 Earhart Ave > Auburn CA 95602 > "Endurance Capitol of the World" > > 530-885-9674 Phone > 530-885-6517 Fax > <http://www.auburnprint.com/> > > At 06:42 AM 7/9/2007, you wrote: >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>We use ACT to manage our databases for current customers and prospects. I >>have a new prospect list and I need to print an address book that is >>sorted by city rather than company. I know how to sort this list by city >>on the screen but when you print it changes back to either company name or >>contact name. I can't find a way to print with any other options. I've >>fooled with this for two days now and I give up. If anyone has a clue >>please let me know. >> >>Thanks, >>Travis >> >>Studio Designs Printing >>Milledgeville, GA 31061 >>478-452-7721 >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From ep101 at technaprint.com Mon Jul 9 12:40:28 2007 From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson) Date: Mon Jul 9 12:40:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] In Need of Support In-Reply-To: <00da01c7c0dd$bf85c970$6702a8c0@SUSAN> Message-ID: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Dear Printowner Friends, > > I'm not sure why I am writing this, except that you are my friends. I am in > need of your hugs and prayers right now. My husband of 31 years, and only > 52 years old, passed away peacefully in his sleep sometime during the night > of July 6. It was probably a heart attack (family history ) or a diabetic > coma, but I doubt he even felt distress because he looked so peaceful. > > I'm feeling very alone right now, but I'm even more concerned for his > mother. She is 87, a widow since 1988, and Sam was her only child. She > lives in a house on the same property as ours. > > You don't have to respond. I just needed to talk. > > Thanks. > > Susan Wells Compton > Compton Design & Printing Inc. > 109 South Jefferson Street > Lexington, Virginia 24450 > 540-463-9232 > 540-464-4329 Fax > Susan@cdandp.net > www.cdandp.net > Dear Susan, I'm tearing up at my computer right now wishing I could give you and your mother-in-law a huge hug to help ease the pain. Hopefully you can feel that across the miles and that our God will wrap you up in a blanket of peace and comfort at this incredibly difficult time. I've cc'd Theresa your message and we'll be lifting you up in prayer in the coming days. If there's anything at all we can do for you please let us know.... (John 14:2) Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax (541) 747-4600 Home (541) 943-0018 Cell ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com From sos at olympus.net Mon Jul 9 12:43:37 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Jul 9 12:43:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] CMYK to spot References: Message-ID: <044e01c7c248$4c8a89d0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Lake" > I have a pdf document created by Lord only knows who that is cmyk. It > needs > to be spot color (process blue & black). Is there any way to fix this pdf? ======================== I just talked to a "Designer" in Paris, France who has set up these documents, an order form, a list of products, etc in Photoshop. Full pages of text with lines and columns and everything in Photoshop. RGB color. Supposed to be in two spot colors. Who would do that? This is going to be a fun day. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From gerrye at porathprintsource.com Mon Jul 9 12:48:56 2007 From: gerrye at porathprintsource.com (Gerry Engelhart) Date: Mon Jul 9 12:49:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How would you handle this? Message-ID: <00da01c7c249$0a5481a0$6800000a@Engelhart> On June 13 an out of town customer called to complain about her letterhead .the stock did not match the previous order. and she claimed that the color was "off" I called her back on June 14.th I explained that we ordered the same Wausau Royal Fibre white stock, and the current shade is whiter. I checked the color and it was a proper match with the pms book chip We agreed to send new paper samples (meaning any papers that look like the white Royal Fibre) and would fix the problem. We also sent a pms color stick to show the correct color. This was done on Thursday June 14th I followed up with three phone calls to follow up and left messages. None were returned Today, July 9, 2007 I spoke with both owners (one passed me over to the other) and they said that they were not going to pay for the print work and that they found a local printer. I will not dispute any of their complaints. What I am upset about is that we jumped on their complaint, tried to fix it and they are not giving us the opportunity for cure. I am feeling like I want to tell them we will not issue a call tag for the defective goods, and expect full payment, or we will take them to small claims court, in Cleveland. (They are in Columbus, 2.5 hours away) Am I right to do this or am I letting my emotions get the better of me.... Gerry Engelhart Porath PrintSource P. 216-626-0060 F. 216-626-0061 From kathy at mpcny.com Mon Jul 9 13:00:54 2007 From: kathy at mpcny.com (Kathy Henry) Date: Mon Jul 9 13:01:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How would you handle this? In-Reply-To: <00da01c7c249$0a5481a0$6800000a@Engelhart> References: <00da01c7c249$0a5481a0$6800000a@Engelhart> Message-ID: <00e001c7c24a$b66fd7e0$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> " I am feeling like I want to tell them we will not issue a call tag for the defective goods, and expect full payment, or we will take them to small claims court, in Cleveland. (They are in Columbus, 2.5 hours away) Am I right to do this or am I letting my emotions get the better of me....? I would definitely issue the call tag and go the lawsuit way if they are not returned. It has been my experience that there are dishonest people who will complain, yet use the material you printed, free of charge. You have nothing to lose, you have already lost the account any way, so go ahead and get it back or get paid for it. Don't let them get away with it! It sucks to be in business most days. Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing kathy@mpcny.com 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Gerry Engelhart Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:49 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] How would you handle this? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On June 13 an out of town customer called to complain about her letterhead .the stock did not match the previous order. and she claimed that the color was "off" I called her back on June 14.th I explained that we ordered the same Wausau Royal Fibre white stock, and the current shade is whiter. I checked the color and it was a proper match with the pms book chip We agreed to send new paper samples (meaning any papers that look like the white Royal Fibre) and would fix the problem. We also sent a pms color stick to show the correct color. This was done on Thursday June 14th I followed up with three phone calls to follow up and left messages. None were returned Today, July 9, 2007 I spoke with both owners (one passed me over to the other) and they said that they were not going to pay for the print work and that they found a local printer. I will not dispute any of their complaints. What I am upset about is that we jumped on their complaint, tried to fix it and they are not giving us the opportunity for cure. I am feeling like I want to tell them we will not issue a call tag for the defective goods, and expect full payment, or we will take them to small claims court, in Cleveland. (They are in Columbus, 2.5 hours away) Am I right to do this or am I letting my emotions get the better of me.... Gerry Engelhart Porath PrintSource P. 216-626-0060 F. 216-626-0061 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 6:32 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 6:32 PM From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Mon Jul 9 13:11:28 2007 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Mon Jul 9 13:11:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How would you handle this? In-Reply-To: <00e001c7c24a$b66fd7e0$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> References: <00da01c7c249$0a5481a0$6800000a@Engelhart> <00e001c7c24a$b66fd7e0$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> Message-ID: If you go to small claims court, be prepared to toss good money after bad. You will probably get a default judgement because they won't show up at court. But you may never collect. Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz On Jul 9, 2007, at 1:00 PM, Kathy Henry wrote: > Am I right to do this or am I letting my emotions get the better of > me....? From bob at rjmprinting.com Mon Jul 9 13:12:59 2007 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Mon Jul 9 13:13:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How would you handle this? In-Reply-To: <00e001c7c24a$b66fd7e0$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> Message-ID: Several years ago we had a customer complain about the ink color on their letterhead. Order said Process Blue we printed process blue customer said that the CSR made a mistake they had switched to Reflex Blue. We reprinted and sent the driver to deliver the letterhead and pick up the rejected material. Customer said they figured that we couldn't do anything with them so they thought they would "help us out" and recycled them. About a month later I got a brochure and a letter on the letterhead printed in process blue trying to sell their services. Called the owner, oh must have been a mistake. The discussion went downhill from there and it wasn't worth my time to pursue. Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Henry Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:01 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] How would you handle this? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** " I am feeling like I want to tell them we will not issue a call tag for the defective goods, and expect full payment, or we will take them to small claims court, in Cleveland. (They are in Columbus, 2.5 hours away) Am I right to do this or am I letting my emotions get the better of me...." I would definitely issue the call tag and go the lawsuit way if they are not returned. It has been my experience that there are dishonest people who will complain, yet use the material you printed, free of charge. You have nothing to lose, you have already lost the account any way, so go ahead and get it back or get paid for it. Don't let them get away with it! It sucks to be in business most days. Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing kathy@mpcny.com 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Gerry Engelhart Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:49 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] How would you handle this? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On June 13 an out of town customer called to complain about her letterhead .the stock did not match the previous order. and she claimed that the color was "off" I called her back on June 14.th I explained that we ordered the same Wausau Royal Fibre white stock, and the current shade is whiter. I checked the color and it was a proper match with the pms book chip We agreed to send new paper samples (meaning any papers that look like the white Royal Fibre) and would fix the problem. We also sent a pms color stick to show the correct color. This was done on Thursday June 14th I followed up with three phone calls to follow up and left messages. None were returned Today, July 9, 2007 I spoke with both owners (one passed me over to the other) and they said that they were not going to pay for the print work and that they found a local printer. I will not dispute any of their complaints. What I am upset about is that we jumped on their complaint, tried to fix it and they are not giving us the opportunity for cure. I am feeling like I want to tell them we will not issue a call tag for the defective goods, and expect full payment, or we will take them to small claims court, in Cleveland. (They are in Columbus, 2.5 hours away) Am I right to do this or am I letting my emotions get the better of me.... Gerry Engelhart Porath PrintSource P. 216-626-0060 F. 216-626-0061 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 6:32 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 6:32 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From championprinting at yahoo.com Mon Jul 9 13:15:41 2007 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Mon Jul 9 13:16:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How would you handle this? Message-ID: <163170.83848.qm@web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You don't say the value of the order, but if the amount of the sale is high enough, I would turn it over to a collection agency (if you never expect to do business with them again). Jerks like this deserve nothing less. If the color was visibly off, shame on your press operator for not pulling the job when they compared it the printed sample in the job jacket. You know who is at fault. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Gerry Engelhart To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Monday, July 9, 2007 12:48:56 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] How would you handle this? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On June 13 an out of town customer called to complain about her letterhead .the stock did not match the previous order. and she claimed that the color was "off" I called her back on June 14.th I explained that we ordered the same Wausau Royal Fibre white stock, and the current shade is whiter. I checked the color and it was a proper match with the pms book chip We agreed to send new paper samples (meaning any papers that look like the white Royal Fibre) and would fix the problem. We also sent a pms color stick to show the correct color. This was done on Thursday June 14th I followed up with three phone calls to follow up and left messages. None were returned Today, July 9, 2007 I spoke with both owners (one passed me over to the other) and they said that they were not going to pay for the print work and that they found a local printer. I will not dispute any of their complaints. What I am upset about is that we jumped on their complaint, tried to fix it and they are not giving us the opportunity for cure. I am feeling like I want to tell them we will not issue a call tag for the defective goods, and expect full payment, or we will take them to small claims court, in Cleveland. (They are in Columbus, 2.5 hours away) Am I right to do this or am I letting my emotions get the better of me.... Gerry Engelhart Porath PrintSource P. 216-626-0060 F. 216-626-0061 From rick at jmjprinting.com Mon Jul 9 13:19:47 2007 From: rick at jmjprinting.com (Rick Foster) Date: Mon Jul 9 13:17:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] High MPG delivery vehicle? In-Reply-To: <000001c7c235$c0e46fc0$42ad4f40$@com> References: <20070709134835.EC126973EE5@rb.enter.net> <000001c7c235$c0e46fc0$42ad4f40$@com> Message-ID: In reference to the message sent by John Henry, on 7/9/07, at 10:30 AM -0400: Way to go John, Half the fun of being a parent is torturing your kids, especially in front of their friends. I say keep up the good work John, keep "silver" and get a cowboy hat to go with it. Maybe even attach some reins to the dash. BTW, Kathy is wrong you don't need to grow up, we need to cherish our youth and let it out as much as possible. :) > >In case you wonder the name is from the lone ranger and when I pick her up >with her friends and she is in one of her teen age moods. I call out loudly >"Hi Ho Silver, away!" ><> >Kathy tells me to grow up... no way -- Rick _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Rick B. Foster JMJ Printing Co. LLC - Snohomish, WA mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com http://www.jmjprinting.com 425.334.9716 Your Full Service Print Shop 425.397.9716 Fax We Appreciate Your Business! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From pressexpress at bfm.org Mon Jul 9 13:36:05 2007 From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Mon Jul 9 13:36:24 2007 Subject: {Spam?} Re: [PrintOwners] How would you handle this? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3B966335-E250-40A5-A463-F5AF36C514DC@bfm.org> I agree on the fact that it is not worth the time. Bob's story is a good one. I too, been there, done that. You need to handle each situation uniquely. In Bob's case, I would have blown a gasket. In Gerry's case, it too hurts, but you are better off firing the client and moving on. Several of my top ten customers are really easy going, letting us change forms that will fit our equipment better, etc. Thats what you need. G On Jul 9, 2007, at 12:12 PM, Bob Molacek wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Several years ago we had a customer complain about the ink color on > their > letterhead. Order said Process Blue we printed process blue > customer said > that the CSR made a mistake they had switched to Reflex Blue. We > reprinted > and sent the driver to deliver the letterhead and pick up the rejected > material. Customer said they figured that we couldn't do anything > with them > so they thought they would "help us out" and recycled them. About > a month > later I got a brochure and a letter on the letterhead printed in > process > blue trying to sell their services. Called the owner, oh must have > been a > mistake. The discussion went downhill from there and it wasn't > worth my > time to pursue. > > > Bob Molacek > Sir Speedy Printing > 7793 Ranchers Road > Fridley, MN 55432 > 763-571-4608 > bob@rjmprinting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Henry > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:01 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] How would you handle this? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > " I am feeling like I want to tell them we will not issue a call > tag for the > > defective goods, and expect full payment, or we will take them to > small > claims court, in Cleveland. (They are in Columbus, 2.5 hours away) > > Am I right to do this or am I letting my emotions get the better of > me...." > > I would definitely issue the call tag and go the lawsuit way if > they are not > returned. It has been my experience that there are dishonest people > who will > complain, yet use the material you printed, free of charge. You > have nothing > to lose, you have already lost the account any way, so go ahead and > get it > back or get paid for it. Don't let them get away with it! > > It sucks to be in business most days. > > Kathleen Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing > kathy@mpcny.com > > 125 East First Street > PO Box 815 > Oswego, NY 13126 > (315) 343-3531 > (315) 343-3577 (fax) > (315) 532-0943 (cell) > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Gerry Engelhart > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:49 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] How would you handle this? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > On June 13 an out of town customer called to complain about her > letterhead .the stock did not match the previous order. > > and she claimed that the color was "off" > > > > I called her back on June 14.th I explained that we ordered the > same Wausau > > Royal Fibre white stock, and the current shade is whiter. I checked > the > color and it was a proper match with the pms book chip > > > > We agreed to send new paper samples (meaning any papers that look > like the > white Royal Fibre) and would fix the problem. We also sent a pms > color > stick to show the correct color. This was done on Thursday June 14th > > > > I followed up with three phone calls to follow up and left > messages. None > were returned > > > > Today, July 9, 2007 I spoke with both owners (one passed me over to > the > other) and they said that they were not going to pay for the print > work and > that they found a local printer. > > I will not dispute any of their complaints. What I am upset about > is that > we jumped on their complaint, tried to fix it and they are not > giving us the > > opportunity for cure. > > I am feeling like I want to tell them we will not issue a call tag > for the > defective goods, and expect full payment, or we will take them to > small > claims court, in Cleveland. (They are in Columbus, 2.5 hours away) > > Am I right to do this or am I letting my emotions get the better of > me.... > > > > Gerry Engelhart > Porath PrintSource > P. 216-626-0060 > F. 216-626-0061 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: > 7/8/2007 > 6:32 PM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: > 7/8/2007 > 6:32 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From alewinter at datapalette.com Mon Jul 9 13:43:26 2007 From: alewinter at datapalette.com (Andrew LeWinter) Date: Mon Jul 9 13:40:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How would you handle this? References: <00da01c7c249$0a5481a0$6800000a@Engelhart> <00e001c7c24a$b66fd7e0$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> Message-ID: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D501A226B@mail1.datapalette.local> How much is the job worth? Is it worth your time to travel to Columbus? Your have made a fair offer to cure the problem. Generally courts will give a vendor a chance to replace the defective product. If they rule against you, the plaintiff will not have to pay, but will be required to return the defective merchandise. If they can't produce it, they will be obligated to pay for it, calling it acceptance of the goods. Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Henry Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 1:01 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] How would you handle this? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** " I am feeling like I want to tell them we will not issue a call tag for the defective goods, and expect full payment, or we will take them to small claims court, in Cleveland. (They are in Columbus, 2.5 hours away) Am I right to do this or am I letting my emotions get the better of me...." I would definitely issue the call tag and go the lawsuit way if they are not returned. It has been my experience that there are dishonest people who will complain, yet use the material you printed, free of charge. You have nothing to lose, you have already lost the account any way, so go ahead and get it back or get paid for it. Don't let them get away with it! It sucks to be in business most days. Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing kathy@mpcny.com 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Gerry Engelhart Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:49 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] How would you handle this? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On June 13 an out of town customer called to complain about her letterhead .the stock did not match the previous order. and she claimed that the color was "off" I called her back on June 14.th I explained that we ordered the same Wausau Royal Fibre white stock, and the current shade is whiter. I checked the color and it was a proper match with the pms book chip We agreed to send new paper samples (meaning any papers that look like the white Royal Fibre) and would fix the problem. We also sent a pms color stick to show the correct color. This was done on Thursday June 14th I followed up with three phone calls to follow up and left messages. None were returned Today, July 9, 2007 I spoke with both owners (one passed me over to the other) and they said that they were not going to pay for the print work and that they found a local printer. I will not dispute any of their complaints. What I am upset about is that we jumped on their complaint, tried to fix it and they are not giving us the opportunity for cure. I am feeling like I want to tell them we will not issue a call tag for the defective goods, and expect full payment, or we will take them to small claims court, in Cleveland. (They are in Columbus, 2.5 hours away) Am I right to do this or am I letting my emotions get the better of me.... Gerry Engelhart Porath PrintSource P. 216-626-0060 F. 216-626-0061 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 6:32 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 6:32 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From alewinter at datapalette.com Mon Jul 9 13:47:00 2007 From: alewinter at datapalette.com (Andrew LeWinter) Date: Mon Jul 9 13:44:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How would you handle this? References: <00da01c7c249$0a5481a0$6800000a@Engelhart><00e001c7c24a$b66fd7e0$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> Message-ID: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D501A226D@mail1.datapalette.local> If the customer is a ongoing entity, I have always been successful collecting the debt. The one time that I had to go to the sheriff, the customer's bank account was blocked for double the judgment until paid. And, the customer had to pay the "poundage" (the sheriff fees). Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Loren Maurina Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 1:11 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] How would you handle this? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** If you go to small claims court, be prepared to toss good money after bad. You will probably get a default judgement because they won't show up at court. But you may never collect. Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz On Jul 9, 2007, at 1:00 PM, Kathy Henry wrote: > Am I right to do this or am I letting my emotions get the better of > me...." _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com Mon Jul 9 14:04:22 2007 From: TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com (Tom King) Date: Mon Jul 9 14:05:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Shrink Film Help Message-ID: <002401c7c253$943f29b0$6600a8c0@Tom> We have one of those old-fashioned shrink film units - the kind with a hot wire that 'cuts' the film and a 'hot pad' to seal/shrink it. We bought it with what seemed like a lifetime supply of film, the lifetime is over and I have no idea what kind of film to buy or where to buy it. Where do I buy the film, and more specifically, what 'kind' of film am I looking for (brand, weight, etc.) Any help much appreciated. Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com From kevin at abfprints.com Mon Jul 9 14:32:23 2007 From: kevin at abfprints.com (Kevin Danko) Date: Mon Jul 9 14:32:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How would you handle this? In-Reply-To: <00e001c7c24a$b66fd7e0$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> References: <00da01c7c249$0a5481a0$6800000a@Engelhart> <00e001c7c24a$b66fd7e0$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> Message-ID: <000001c7c257$879b6580$4aced84b@Danko> Kathleen, wow that was harsh! Boy do I differ with you. You say you have nothing to lose... how much is your time worth? If you spent the same amount of time chasing live fish as you do filleting dead ones then I could see why you say "it sucks to be in business most days". That would be depressing. If you can't enjoy what you're doing then you should find a job or another business to own. Like I said previously, there are some people that will never be satisfied, they're a cancer, you're better off letting someone else have the pain and suffering. Kevin Danko Advantage Business Forms 102 N. Riverside Ave. Rialto, CA 92376 (909) 875-7163 Fax: (909) 875-7971 E-mail: kevin@abfprints.com www.abfprints.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Henry Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 10:01 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] How would you handle this? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** " I am feeling like I want to tell them we will not issue a call tag for the defective goods, and expect full payment, or we will take them to small claims court, in Cleveland. (They are in Columbus, 2.5 hours away) Am I right to do this or am I letting my emotions get the better of me...." I would definitely issue the call tag and go the lawsuit way if they are not returned. It has been my experience that there are dishonest people who will complain, yet use the material you printed, free of charge. You have nothing to lose, you have already lost the account any way, so go ahead and get it back or get paid for it. Don't let them get away with it! It sucks to be in business most days. Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing kathy@mpcny.com 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Gerry Engelhart Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:49 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] How would you handle this? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On June 13 an out of town customer called to complain about her letterhead .the stock did not match the previous order. and she claimed that the color was "off" I called her back on June 14.th I explained that we ordered the same Wausau Royal Fibre white stock, and the current shade is whiter. I checked the color and it was a proper match with the pms book chip We agreed to send new paper samples (meaning any papers that look like the white Royal Fibre) and would fix the problem. We also sent a pms color stick to show the correct color. This was done on Thursday June 14th I followed up with three phone calls to follow up and left messages. None were returned Today, July 9, 2007 I spoke with both owners (one passed me over to the other) and they said that they were not going to pay for the print work and that they found a local printer. I will not dispute any of their complaints. What I am upset about is that we jumped on their complaint, tried to fix it and they are not giving us the opportunity for cure. I am feeling like I want to tell them we will not issue a call tag for the defective goods, and expect full payment, or we will take them to small claims court, in Cleveland. (They are in Columbus, 2.5 hours away) Am I right to do this or am I letting my emotions get the better of me.... Gerry Engelhart Porath PrintSource P. 216-626-0060 F. 216-626-0061 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 6:32 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 6:32 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kevin at abfprints.com Mon Jul 9 14:32:23 2007 From: kevin at abfprints.com (Kevin Danko) Date: Mon Jul 9 14:33:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How would you handle this? In-Reply-To: <00da01c7c249$0a5481a0$6800000a@Engelhart> References: <00da01c7c249$0a5481a0$6800000a@Engelhart> Message-ID: <000101c7c257$8aae23c0$4aced84b@Danko> Gerry, that's a tough one. Unfortunately I think we all deal with this to one extent or another. The principal of the matter is what bothers me the most as I'm sure it does you as well. The reality of it is it's just another cost of doing business. I never like to spend "good" money going after bad money. Cut your losses and spend the time and money on getting two new customers to replace the one you are probably better off not having. I've learned after 22 years of this that you'll never make some people happy. Kevin Danko Advantage Business Forms 102 N. Riverside Ave. Rialto, CA 92376 (909) 875-7163 Fax: (909) 875-7971 E-mail: kevin@abfprints.com www.abfprints.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Gerry Engelhart Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 9:49 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] How would you handle this? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On June 13 an out of town customer called to complain about her letterhead .the stock did not match the previous order. and she claimed that the color was "off" I called her back on June 14.th I explained that we ordered the same Wausau Royal Fibre white stock, and the current shade is whiter. I checked the color and it was a proper match with the pms book chip We agreed to send new paper samples (meaning any papers that look like the white Royal Fibre) and would fix the problem. We also sent a pms color stick to show the correct color. This was done on Thursday June 14th I followed up with three phone calls to follow up and left messages. None were returned Today, July 9, 2007 I spoke with both owners (one passed me over to the other) and they said that they were not going to pay for the print work and that they found a local printer. I will not dispute any of their complaints. What I am upset about is that we jumped on their complaint, tried to fix it and they are not giving us the opportunity for cure. I am feeling like I want to tell them we will not issue a call tag for the defective goods, and expect full payment, or we will take them to small claims court, in Cleveland. (They are in Columbus, 2.5 hours away) Am I right to do this or am I letting my emotions get the better of me.... Gerry Engelhart Porath PrintSource P. 216-626-0060 F. 216-626-0061 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kathy at mpcny.com Mon Jul 9 14:43:13 2007 From: kathy at mpcny.com (Kathy Henry) Date: Mon Jul 9 14:43:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How would you handle this? In-Reply-To: <000001c7c257$879b6580$4aced84b@Danko> References: <00da01c7c249$0a5481a0$6800000a@Engelhart><00e001c7c24a$b66fd7e0$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> <000001c7c257$879b6580$4aced84b@Danko> Message-ID: <00fb01c7c259$05a2c620$017ba8c0@mpcnycore> I agree with the time issue, but I philosophically disagree with letting someone take advantage of you. I have never had to do this myself, but I imagine this: Issue a call tag, 2 minutes, call a lawyer to file a small claims court action, 5 minutes, not letting someone get away with taking advantage of you, priceless. JMT. And, for what it's worth, we don't waste time on things like this but probably should. The real issue is how many customers do this to us all the time, and we just go, "OK", and they continue to do this with every business dealing they get into, burning other printers down the road. Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing kathy@mpcny.com 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Danko Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 2:32 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] How would you handle this? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Kathleen, wow that was harsh! Boy do I differ with you. You say you have nothing to lose... how much is your time worth? If you spent the same amount of time chasing live fish as you do filleting dead ones then I could see why you say "it sucks to be in business most days". That would be depressing. If you can't enjoy what you're doing then you should find a job or another business to own. Like I said previously, there are some people that will never be satisfied, they're a cancer, you're better off letting someone else have the pain and suffering. Kevin Danko Advantage Business Forms 102 N. Riverside Ave. Rialto, CA 92376 (909) 875-7163 Fax: (909) 875-7971 E-mail: kevin@abfprints.com www.abfprints.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Henry Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 10:01 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] How would you handle this? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** " I am feeling like I want to tell them we will not issue a call tag for the defective goods, and expect full payment, or we will take them to small claims court, in Cleveland. (They are in Columbus, 2.5 hours away) Am I right to do this or am I letting my emotions get the better of me...." I would definitely issue the call tag and go the lawsuit way if they are not returned. It has been my experience that there are dishonest people who will complain, yet use the material you printed, free of charge. You have nothing to lose, you have already lost the account any way, so go ahead and get it back or get paid for it. Don't let them get away with it! It sucks to be in business most days. Kathleen Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing kathy@mpcny.com 125 East First Street PO Box 815 Oswego, NY 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 (fax) (315) 532-0943 (cell) -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Gerry Engelhart Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:49 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] How would you handle this? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On June 13 an out of town customer called to complain about her letterhead .the stock did not match the previous order. and she claimed that the color was "off" I called her back on June 14.th I explained that we ordered the same Wausau Royal Fibre white stock, and the current shade is whiter. I checked the color and it was a proper match with the pms book chip We agreed to send new paper samples (meaning any papers that look like the white Royal Fibre) and would fix the problem. We also sent a pms color stick to show the correct color. This was done on Thursday June 14th I followed up with three phone calls to follow up and left messages. None were returned Today, July 9, 2007 I spoke with both owners (one passed me over to the other) and they said that they were not going to pay for the print work and that they found a local printer. I will not dispute any of their complaints. What I am upset about is that we jumped on their complaint, tried to fix it and they are not giving us the opportunity for cure. I am feeling like I want to tell them we will not issue a call tag for the defective goods, and expect full payment, or we will take them to small claims court, in Cleveland. (They are in Columbus, 2.5 hours away) Am I right to do this or am I letting my emotions get the better of me.... Gerry Engelhart Porath PrintSource P. 216-626-0060 F. 216-626-0061 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 6:32 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 6:32 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 6:32 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 6:32 PM From prtquick at eos.net Mon Jul 9 15:15:37 2007 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Mon Jul 9 14:51:00 2007 Subject: {Spam?} Re: [PrintOwners] How would you handle this? In-Reply-To: <3B966335-E250-40A5-A463-F5AF36C514DC@bfm.org> References: <3B966335-E250-40A5-A463-F5AF36C514DC@bfm.org> Message-ID: <30e86f1b68346b8c3241eeff3e008d8d@eos.net> I wouldn't waste too much time. I would bill them unless they return the project. I once had someone claim to have 'thrown it away" until we offered a refund for return. Otherwise, you know they will use it. I had a rerun on some nice letterhead this year. It was the customer's fault (bad zip code) but they felt we should have 'caught' it - even though the artwork was provided digitally. I re-ran at a discount, we still made money, I padded the old ones and trimmed off the bottom so they can use them as notepads. I think we will get that order again. Too bad these guys won't play ball. Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit us in our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing On Jul 9, 2007, at 1:36 PM, Greg Weinfurter wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I agree on the fact that it is not worth the time. Bob's story is a > good one. I too, been there, done that. > > You need to handle each situation uniquely. In Bob's case, I would > have blown a gasket. In Gerry's case, it too hurts, but you are > better off firing the client and moving on. Several of my top ten > customers are really easy going, letting us change forms that will fit > our equipment better, etc. Thats what you need. > > G > > > > On Jul 9, 2007, at 12:12 PM, Bob Molacek wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Several years ago we had a customer complain about the ink color on >> their >> letterhead. Order said Process Blue we printed process blue customer >> said >> that the CSR made a mistake they had switched to Reflex Blue. We >> reprinted >> and sent the driver to deliver the letterhead and pick up the rejected >> material. Customer said they figured that we couldn't do anything >> with them >> so they thought they would "help us out" and recycled them. About a >> month >> later I got a brochure and a letter on the letterhead printed in >> process >> blue trying to sell their services. Called the owner, oh must have >> been a >> mistake. The discussion went downhill from there and it wasn't worth >> my >> time to pursue. >> >> >> Bob Molacek >> Sir Speedy Printing >> 7793 Ranchers Road >> Fridley, MN 55432 >> 763-571-4608 >> bob@rjmprinting.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Henry >> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:01 PM >> To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' >> Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] How would you handle this? >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> " I am feeling like I want to tell them we will not issue a call tag >> for the >> >> defective goods, and expect full payment, or we will take them to >> small >> claims court, in Cleveland. (They are in Columbus, 2.5 hours away) >> >> Am I right to do this or am I letting my emotions get the better of >> me...." >> >> I would definitely issue the call tag and go the lawsuit way if they >> are not >> returned. It has been my experience that there are dishonest people >> who will >> complain, yet use the material you printed, free of charge. You have >> nothing >> to lose, you have already lost the account any way, so go ahead and >> get it >> back or get paid for it. Don't let them get away with it! >> >> It sucks to be in business most days. >> >> Kathleen Henry >> Mitchell Printing & Mailing >> kathy@mpcny.com >> >> 125 East First Street >> PO Box 815 >> Oswego, NY 13126 >> (315) 343-3531 >> (315) 343-3577 (fax) >> (315) 532-0943 (cell) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Gerry Engelhart >> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:49 PM >> To: printowners@printweb.org >> Subject: [PrintOwners] How would you handle this? >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> On June 13 an out of town customer called to complain about her >> letterhead .the stock did not match the previous order. >> >> and she claimed that the color was "off" >> >> >> >> I called her back on June 14.th I explained that we ordered the same >> Wausau >> >> Royal Fibre white stock, and the current shade is whiter. I checked >> the >> color and it was a proper match with the pms book chip >> >> >> >> We agreed to send new paper samples (meaning any papers that look >> like the >> white Royal Fibre) and would fix the problem. We also sent a pms >> color >> stick to show the correct color. This was done on Thursday June 14th >> >> >> >> I followed up with three phone calls to follow up and left messages. >> None >> were returned >> >> >> >> Today, July 9, 2007 I spoke with both owners (one passed me over to >> the >> other) and they said that they were not going to pay for the print >> work and >> that they found a local printer. >> >> I will not dispute any of their complaints. What I am upset about is >> that >> we jumped on their complaint, tried to fix it and they are not giving >> us the >> >> opportunity for cure. >> >> I am feeling like I want to tell them we will not issue a call tag >> for the >> defective goods, and expect full payment, or we will take them to >> small >> claims court, in Cleveland. (They are in Columbus, 2.5 hours away) >> >> Am I right to do this or am I letting my emotions get the better of >> me.... >> >> >> >> Gerry Engelhart >> Porath PrintSource >> P. 216-626-0060 >> F. 216-626-0061 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: >> 7/8/2007 >> 6:32 PM >> >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: >> 7/8/2007 >> 6:32 PM >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From pressexpress at bfm.org Mon Jul 9 14:46:16 2007 From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Mon Jul 9 14:58:44 2007 Subject: {Spam?} Re: [PrintOwners] Shrink Film Help In-Reply-To: <002401c7c253$943f29b0$6600a8c0@Tom> References: <002401c7c253$943f29b0$6600a8c0@Tom> Message-ID: <36136E3F-6F64-4516-9C17-6354CBA2442A@bfm.org> We have a similar set up. We use an 18 inch stretch wrap that comes on a 5,000' roll. We get ours from our paper supplier, Midland Paper and Packaging. It's called Red Rock stretch film Before we discovered it from Midland, we use to go to the local super market and buy their meat wrap from the meat department. Works the same. Did this in our earlier years. G On Jul 9, 2007, at 1:04 PM, Tom King wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have one of those old-fashioned shrink film units - the kind > with a hot > wire that 'cuts' the film and a 'hot pad' to seal/shrink it. > > > > We bought it with what seemed like a lifetime supply of film, the > lifetime > is over and I have no idea what kind of film to buy or where to buy > it. > > > > Where do I buy the film, and more specifically, what 'kind' of film > am I > looking for (brand, weight, etc.) > > > > Any help much appreciated. > > > > > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From printmail at goinsty.com Mon Jul 9 15:09:09 2007 From: printmail at goinsty.com (Rob Meier) Date: Mon Jul 9 15:09:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM 6500 again & How would you handle this In-Reply-To: <044e01c7c248$4c8a89d0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <044e01c7c248$4c8a89d0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <469287D5.7010802@goinsty.com> I can't believe we've gone a week without this machine coming up. I am planning to update my 3200 this year and I was wondering if they color shift problems of the 6500 have been addressed. As far as the bad letterhead, I would turn it over for collection and forget it. We often get paid by business when we use collection. Thanks, Rob Meier -- _____________________________ Insty-Prints 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-1959 phone (800) 258-8122 toll free (715) 835-7078 fax goinsty@goinsty.com _____________________________ Star Marking - Rubber Stamps 2425 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-4001 phone (800) 634-4002 toll free (715) 835-7078 fax stamps@starmarking.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Mon Jul 9 15:21:13 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 9 15:21:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Your Chance to Provide Feedback to Adobe Message-ID: I just received this from the PR department of Adobe. It apparently has recently been posted on their web site. I would strongly suggest that as many of you as possible respond as strongly as you can to the email address cited in the communication. I will leave it up to you to read in between the lines and come to your own conclusions. I do suggest however that Adobe doesn't have one partner (other than FedEx) that agrees with their decisions, and it is almost humorous that huge corporations such as this can make such stupid, short-sighted decisions. If they really cared about their partners, don't you think they would have consulted with them in advance, instead of after the fact? "It is clear that the recent announcement to connect Adobe Reader with FedEx Kinko?s online printing capabilities has caused concern among some of our partners and key business allies in the print community. Our motivation for the deal was simple ? offer customers, who are already printing and shipping through FedEx Kinko?s, a more seamless way of getting their print jobs done. Clearly, the industry did not view our announcement in that way. It was not Adobe? s intent to upset our loyal print partners or in-house print service providers. Adobe has a long history with the print community that we appreciate and value greatly. We are currently working to set up a forum with a group of print partners to serve as an advisory council to Adobe on this issue. We will look for ways to accommodate your needs and those of the other members of the print community while respecting our contractual obligations with FedEx Kinko?s. The advisory meeting is tentatively scheduled for July 17th. If you have ideas or suggestions, please email them to printfeedback@adobe.com by July 11th, so we can include them in the forum. Our goal remains steadfast: working with you to improve our customers? experiences. Again, thank you for your feedback. Regards, Johnny Loiacono Senior Vice-President Creative Solutions Business Unit" John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Mon Jul 9 15:48:09 2007 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Mon Jul 9 15:48:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Your Chance to Provide Feedback to Adobe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00e601c7c262$13984bc0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Not that this is going to be read but it will help clog up the incredibly slow Mr Johnny Loiacono's inbox. "You have to be kidding! Your are throwing your lot in with 1700 printers as opposed to some 60 or 70,000! You know the only answer is to repudiate your contract with Kinkos! Have you not been taking your Prozac? Are you really not aware that Microsoft is coming up with an alternative to Acrobat? Do you own shares in Microsoft?" Gord Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc 2105 Midland Ave Unit 14 Scarborough, ON M1P 3E3 Ph: 416 298 6996 Fax: 416 298 2771 www.xoxocyberprint.com gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com "It is clear that the recent announcement to connect Adobe Reader with FedEx Kinko's online printing capabilities has caused concern among some of our partners and key business allies in the print community. Our motivation for the deal was simple - offer customers, who are already printing and shipping through FedEx Kinko's, a more seamless way of getting their print jobs done. Clearly, the industry did not view our announcement in that way. It was not Adobe' s intent to upset our loyal print partners or in-house print service providers. Adobe has a long history with the print community that we appreciate and value greatly. We are currently working to set up a forum with a group of print partners to serve as an advisory council to Adobe on this issue. We will look for ways to accommodate your needs and those of the other members of the print community while respecting our contractual obligations with FedEx Kinko's. The advisory meeting is tentatively scheduled for July 17th. If you have ideas or suggestions, please email them to printfeedback@adobe.com by July 11th, so we can include them in the forum. Our goal remains steadfast: working with you to improve our customers' experiences. Again, thank you for your feedback. Regards, Johnny Loiacono Senior Vice-President Creative Solutions Business Unit" From championprinting at yahoo.com Mon Jul 9 15:49:28 2007 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Mon Jul 9 15:49:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Your Chance to Provide Feedback to Adobe/The Link Message-ID: <91640.66346.qm@web38907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://www.adobe.com/print/pdfs/loiacono_letter.pdf Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: "QKCONSULT@aol.com" To: printowners@printweb.org Sent: Monday, July 9, 2007 3:21:13 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Your Chance to Provide Feedback to Adobe ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I just received this from the PR department of Adobe. It apparently has recently been posted on their web site. I would strongly suggest that as many of you as possible respond as strongly as you can to the email address cited in the communication. I will leave it up to you to read in between the lines and come to your own conclusions. I do suggest however that Adobe doesn't have one partner (other than FedEx) that agrees with their decisions, and it is almost humorous that huge corporations such as this can make such stupid, short-sighted decisions. If they really cared about their partners, don't you think they would have consulted with them in advance, instead of after the fact? "It is clear that the recent announcement to connect Adobe Reader with FedEx Kinko?s online printing capabilities has caused concern among some of our partners and key business allies in the print community. Our motivation for the deal was simple ? offer customers, who are already printing and shipping through FedEx Kinko?s, a more seamless way of getting their print jobs done. Clearly, the industry did not view our announcement in that way. It was not Adobe? s intent to upset our loyal print partners or in-house print service providers. Adobe has a long history with the print community that we appreciate and value greatly. We are currently working to set up a forum with a group of print partners to serve as an advisory council to Adobe on this issue. We will look for ways to accommodate your needs and those of the other members of the print community while respecting our contractual obligations with FedEx Kinko?s. The advisory meeting is tentatively scheduled for July 17th. If you have ideas or suggestions, please email them to printfeedback@adobe.com by July 11th, so we can include them in the forum. Our goal remains steadfast: working with you to improve our customers? experiences. Again, thank you for your feedback. Regards, Johnny Loiacono Senior Vice-President Creative Solutions Business Unit" John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." From priorityprinting at comcast.net Mon Jul 9 15:55:03 2007 From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net) Date: Mon Jul 9 15:55:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Shrink Film Help Message-ID: <070920071955.1733.46929297000B7F3F000006C522007589420902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Film can be purchased at XPEDX. I believe they refer to it as cryovac. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48434 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Tom King" > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have one of those old-fashioned shrink film units - the kind with a hot > wire that 'cuts' the film and a 'hot pad' to seal/shrink it. > > > > We bought it with what seemed like a lifetime supply of film, the lifetime > is over and I have no idea what kind of film to buy or where to buy it. > > > > Where do I buy the film, and more specifically, what 'kind' of film am I > looking for (brand, weight, etc.) > > > > Any help much appreciated. > > > > > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From segass at heritageprinting.com Mon Jul 9 16:14:45 2007 From: segass at heritageprinting.com (Steve Gass) Date: Mon Jul 9 16:15:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need 36 or 45 Polar cutter In-Reply-To: <00da01c7c0dd$bf85c970$6702a8c0@SUSAN> Message-ID: <001001c7c265$cb78de50$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> Hello, Does anyone know of a 36" or 45" cutter for sale. Thanks, Steve Gass Heritage Printing & Mailing 240-298-0102 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Susan Compton Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 5:28 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] In Need of Support ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Dear Printowner Friends, I'm not sure why I am writing this, except that you are my friends. I am in need of your hugs and prayers right now. My husband of 31 years, and only 52 years old, passed away peacefully in his sleep sometime during the night of July 6. It was probably a heart attack (family history ) or a diabetic coma, but I doubt he even felt distress because he looked so peaceful. I'm feeling very alone right now, but I'm even more concerned for his mother. She is 87, a widow since 1988, and Sam was her only child. She lives in a house on the same property as ours. You don't have to respond. I just needed to talk. Thanks. Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Street Lexington, Virginia 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kellycrom at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 16:15:53 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Mon Jul 9 16:16:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Shrink Film Help In-Reply-To: <002401c7c253$943f29b0$6600a8c0@Tom> References: <002401c7c253$943f29b0$6600a8c0@Tom> Message-ID: <031101c7c265$f44ab290$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Check out ULINE www.uline.com Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tom King > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 1:04 PM > To: Print Owners > Subject: [PrintOwners] Shrink Film Help > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have one of those old-fashioned shrink film units - the > kind with a hot > wire that 'cuts' the film and a 'hot pad' to seal/shrink it. > > > > We bought it with what seemed like a lifetime supply of film, > the lifetime > is over and I have no idea what kind of film to buy or where > to buy it. > > > > Where do I buy the film, and more specifically, what 'kind' > of film am I > looking for (brand, weight, etc.) > > > > Any help much appreciated. > > > > > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From zapit at zapcolor.com Mon Jul 9 16:45:07 2007 From: zapit at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez) Date: Mon Jul 9 16:48:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Sporty delivery vehicle In-Reply-To: <20070709160005.05A32974BC6@rb.enter.net> References: <20070709160005.05A32974BC6@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <61292922-C1C6-4E12-8899-175186410D1E@zapcolor.com> OK I was asking for an economy delivery vehicle, not necessarily the "coolest" one, My delivery vehicle, when I am able, is a very nice red convertible, and it holds 4 cases, OK 1/2 cases, but alas no dolly! On Jul 9, 2007, at 9:00 AM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > 2006 Suzuki DL650 V-Strom with side cases and a Givi topcase. 53 > miles per > gallon. About 2,500 letterheads maximum capacity in the topcase. Or > 2,000 > #10 envelopes. Or a whole bunch of business card orders. > > "Oh, man, you mean the delivery guy didn't show up again! Darn! > That means I > 'gotta load up all those little orders on my bike and do it myself. > What a > pain, having to leave the shop and ride all over the county making > deliveries on this beautiful summer morning." > Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com From jgross at techiowa.com Mon Jul 9 16:58:07 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Mon Jul 9 16:58:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Sporty delivery vehicle In-Reply-To: <61292922-C1C6-4E12-8899-175186410D1E@zapcolor.com> Message-ID: <000401c7c26b$da5cea00$1e00000a@tech.local> If I were driving a red convertible I would have no trouble finding a dollie, if, that is they didn't notice my gray beard! John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com - ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** OK I was asking for an economy delivery vehicle, not necessarily the "coolest" one, My delivery vehicle, when I am able, is a very nice red convertible, and it holds 4 cases, OK 1/2 cases, but alas no dolly! On From bherion at bucksdigital.com Mon Jul 9 17:03:13 2007 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Mon Jul 9 17:03:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: How would you handle this? In-Reply-To: <20070709171155.1C3FF97526A@rb.enter.net> References: <20070709171155.1C3FF97526A@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070709170058.029837d8@bucksdigital.com> At 01:11 PM 7/9/2007, you wrote: >On Jul 9, 2007, at 1:00 PM, Kathy Henry wrote: > > > Am I right to do this or am I letting my emotions get the better of > > me...." The latter, but oh how sweet it would be to make the 2.5 hour drive to pick them up in person and piss on their shoes. Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com Mon Jul 9 17:11:14 2007 From: TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com (Tom King) Date: Mon Jul 9 17:11:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Your Chance to Provide Feedback to Adobe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000901c7c26d$af44bd50$6600a8c0@Tom> My advice when communicating with Adobe. Not in these words, of course. Adobe, You admit you made a serious mistake but you keep talking about 'contractual obligations'. Too bad, so sad. I don't really care about your 'contractual obligations'. I have contractual obligations to pay my employees and feed my children. Your contractual obligations are no concern of mine. Break-off the deal with Fedex/Kinko's immediately, accept whatever lawsuits and financial losses this will entail and move on, because the consequences of not doing so will be far, far worse. Whatever money you could possibly hope to make with your Kinko's deal will be insignificant when compared to the money you will lose when we printers join together and act as one. You do the math. And there's not much time, the action has begun. We are an impatient bunch. Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com From bernies at printnetusa.com Mon Jul 9 17:20:15 2007 From: bernies at printnetusa.com (Bernie Schreiber) Date: Mon Jul 9 17:20:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Shrink Film Help In-Reply-To: <002401c7c253$943f29b0$6600a8c0@Tom> References: <002401c7c253$943f29b0$6600a8c0@Tom> Message-ID: <001401c7c26e$f14d13e0$0b000078@bernie> Tom Get 75 gauge centerfold polyolefin film ...this is the one that doesn't stink when you use it. We use 14" - 3500ft / roll We have some if you can use it - $144.00 / roll But you might be able to pick it up from one of Your paper suppliers and save freight. Bernie Schreiber PrintNet USA, Inc. 7005 Westbelt Drive Nashville, TN 37209 615.385.9100.....Fax: 615.298.4234 bernies@printnetusa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tom King Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 1:04 PM To: Print Owners Subject: [PrintOwners] Shrink Film Help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have one of those old-fashioned shrink film units - the kind with a hot wire that 'cuts' the film and a 'hot pad' to seal/shrink it. We bought it with what seemed like a lifetime supply of film, the lifetime is over and I have no idea what kind of film to buy or where to buy it. Where do I buy the film, and more specifically, what 'kind' of film am I looking for (brand, weight, etc.) Any help much appreciated. Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bernies at printnetusa.com Mon Jul 9 17:26:05 2007 From: bernies at printnetusa.com (Bernie Schreiber) Date: Mon Jul 9 17:25:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM 6500 again & How would you handle this In-Reply-To: <469287D5.7010802@goinsty.com> References: <044e01c7c248$4c8a89d0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <469287D5.7010802@goinsty.com> Message-ID: <001801c7c26f$c23e4e10$0b000078@bernie> Rob We just got one to add to our C500 Both have Creo Rips No problems with color shift Bernie Schreiber PrintNet USA, Inc. 7005 Westbelt Drive Nashville, TN 37209 615.385.9100.....Fax: 615.298.4234 bernies@printnetusa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Rob Meier Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 2:09 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only; PrintOwnersNG@googlegroups.com Subject: [PrintOwners] KM 6500 again & How would you handle this ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I can't believe we've gone a week without this machine coming up. I am planning to update my 3200 this year and I was wondering if they color shift problems of the 6500 have been addressed. As far as the bad letterhead, I would turn it over for collection and forget it. We often get paid by business when we use collection. Thanks, Rob Meier -- _____________________________ Insty-Prints 2429 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-1959 phone (800) 258-8122 toll free (715) 835-7078 fax goinsty@goinsty.com _____________________________ Star Marking - Rubber Stamps 2425 E. Clairemont Ave. Eau Claire, WI 54701 (715) 835-4001 phone (800) 634-4002 toll free (715) 835-7078 fax stamps@starmarking.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From steveh at metrowestprinting.com Mon Jul 9 17:40:18 2007 From: steveh at metrowestprinting.com (Steve Hitner) Date: Mon Jul 9 17:40:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] HP 5500 WITH UV INKS Message-ID: <012f01c7c271$c3597020$1cfea8c0@Steveh> I have just decided to switch my HP 5500 to UV inks. I am doing this due to the fact that we are printing outdoor banners and was advised by my salesman that the banners would not need lamination and will last up to 6 months. He also indicated that due to the new inks, I would not notice any changes in quality of print or color with my indoor posters, etc. The cost saving on lamination is major. Has anyone else had similar experience with this change over? Before I totally commit, I could use some advise. Thanks in advance for your comments, Steve Hitner METROWEST Printing Marlborough, Ma 508-481-6699 steveh@metrowestprinting.com From bradw at auburnprint.com Mon Jul 9 17:48:00 2007 From: bradw at auburnprint.com (Brad Weston) Date: Mon Jul 9 17:48:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] ACT Help In-Reply-To: <008601c7c246$fc1062a0$0600a8c0@TravisComp> References: <070620072034.5243.468EA76F0008CA530000147B22070029530902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> <00da01c7c0dd$bf85c970$6702a8c0@SUSAN> <010801c7c1d4$58295600$0100a8c0@den> <039c01c7c21d$6e0f3900$0301a8c0@RICK> <002e01c7c22f$04e95340$0600a8c0@TravisComp> <6.0.0.22.2.20070709084754.04694938@192.168.1.1> <008601c7c246$fc1062a0$0600a8c0@TravisComp> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20070709143749.04253840@192.168.1.1> I couldn't find it either. I thought it would be under "edit Templates" from Reports in the print menu. I have a guy that is an ACT consultant that we use for solving these issues. He is a lot less expensive than Sage. His name is Chris Pumphrey chris@actcoaching.com www.contactivity.net (800) 915-4228 He does it remotely using "Go To Meeting" It works great for us. You can pay him by time or have him under retainer. He is on the west coast. Brad At 09:34 AM 7/9/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >2005 > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Weston" >To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > >Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 11:48 AM >Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] ACT Help > > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>What version of ACT? >> >>Brad Weston >>Auburn Printers >>13020 Earhart Ave >>Auburn CA 95602 >>"Endurance Capitol of the World" >> >>530-885-9674 Phone >>530-885-6517 Fax >><http://www.auburnprint.com/> >> >>At 06:42 AM 7/9/2007, you wrote: >>>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>>We use ACT to manage our databases for current customers and prospects. >>>I have a new prospect list and I need to print an address book that is >>>sorted by city rather than company. I know how to sort this list by city >>>on the screen but when you print it changes back to either company name >>>or contact name. I can't find a way to print with any other >>>options. I've fooled with this for two days now and I give up. If >>>anyone has a clue please let me know. >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Travis >>> >>>Studio Designs Printing >>>Milledgeville, GA 31061 >>>478-452-7721 >>>_______________________________________________ >>>PrintOwners Discussion List >>>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From scott at usacolor.com Mon Jul 9 17:50:09 2007 From: scott at usacolor.com (scott) Date: Mon Jul 9 17:50:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] HP 5500 WITH UV INKS In-Reply-To: <012f01c7c271$c3597020$1cfea8c0@Steveh> References: <012f01c7c271$c3597020$1cfea8c0@Steveh> Message-ID: <4692AD91.6040906@usacolor.com> The ink will last 2yrs in direct sunlight(at least Minnesota sunlight) the problem is in scratches - the ink still can be scratched off if not handled carefully - even after months of drying. Scott Balsiger, President USA Color Printing Inc. www.usacolor.com 791 Manhomen Dr. Bemidji, MN 56601 800-759-9126 218-759-9126 218-759-2883(fax) 218-556-5505(cell) Steve Hitner wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I have just decided to switch my HP 5500 to UV inks. I am doing this due to the fact that we are printing outdoor banners and was advised by my salesman that the banners would not need lamination and will last up to 6 months. He also indicated that due to the new inks, I would not notice any changes in quality of print or color with my indoor posters, etc. >The cost saving on lamination is major. Has anyone else had similar experience with this change over? Before I totally commit, I could use some advise. > > >Thanks in advance for your comments, > >Steve Hitner >METROWEST Printing >Marlborough, Ma >508-481-6699 >steveh@metrowestprinting.com >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 17:50:42 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Jul 9 17:50:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Sporty delivery vehicle In-Reply-To: <000401c7c26b$da5cea00$1e00000a@tech.local> References: <61292922-C1C6-4E12-8899-175186410D1E@zapcolor.com> <000401c7c26b$da5cea00$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707091450n5632b90m535d6f7743b5b160@mail.gmail.com> On 7/9/07, John Gross wrote: > > If I were driving a red convertible I would have no trouble finding a > dollie, if, that is they didn't notice my gray beard! I have no trouble finding dollies in either my red or my black convertible delivery vehicles. And a dolly would fit nicely in either one. They, however, no longer seem as interested in being found or fitted in as they were back in the day. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com Mon Jul 9 17:45:07 2007 From: jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com (Jim Quinn) Date: Mon Jul 9 17:51:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] HP 5500 WITH UV INKS In-Reply-To: <012f01c7c271$c3597020$1cfea8c0@Steveh> Message-ID: I did this also & found the only problem was that I had to use different paper stocks than with non-uv ink. Check with your supplier. Jim Quinn Sir Speedy 4043 15323 Midway Road Addison, TX 75001 Phone 972-788-4266 Fax 972-788-2367 jquinn@sirspeedy4043.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Hitner Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 4:40 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] HP 5500 WITH UV INKS ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have just decided to switch my HP 5500 to UV inks. I am doing this due to the fact that we are printing outdoor banners and was advised by my salesman that the banners would not need lamination and will last up to 6 months. He also indicated that due to the new inks, I would not notice any changes in quality of print or color with my indoor posters, etc. The cost saving on lamination is major. Has anyone else had similar experience with this change over? Before I totally commit, I could use some advise. Thanks in advance for your comments, Steve Hitner METROWEST Printing Marlborough, Ma 508-481-6699 steveh@metrowestprinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 18:04:00 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Jul 9 18:04:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] HP 5500 WITH UV INKS In-Reply-To: <012f01c7c271$c3597020$1cfea8c0@Steveh> References: <012f01c7c271$c3597020$1cfea8c0@Steveh> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707091504t578f8c99s781c876cf73e99e6@mail.gmail.com> On 7/9/07, Steve Hitner wrote: > > Has anyone else had similar experience with this change over? Before I totally commit, I could use some advise. We've been using UV inks since we bought this printer. On the positive side, lamination is no longer the necessity it once was, even on outdoor banners. On the negative side, lamination is no longer the necessity it once was, even on outdoor banners. Which is to say that we can now sell at a lower price; alas, we do it by giving up the laminating revenue. The color gamut with UV inks is theoretically smaller than that of the dye-based inks, but we never find our poster jobs to be color-critical enough to notice a difference. HP, btw, makes a nice, inexpensive polyproylene outdoor banner material, much cheaper than vinyl, that holds up quite well. (Q1903A HP Matte Polypropylene 36 in x 75 ft or Q1904A HP Matte Polypropylene 42 in x 75 ft). A 3'x18' grommeted outdoor banner we did for a restaurant about 2 months ago in red and black, looks as good as new -- no rips or tears, no visible color fading. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From david.doost at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 18:03:13 2007 From: david.doost at gmail.com (David Doost) Date: Mon Jul 9 18:06:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] HP 5500 WITH UV INKS In-Reply-To: <012f01c7c271$c3597020$1cfea8c0@Steveh> References: <012f01c7c271$c3597020$1cfea8c0@Steveh> Message-ID: <4692b156.2386460a.1197.1d2f@mx.google.com> Steve, Ask your salesman if he will guarantee the 6 months claim in writing backed up by Reimbursement to your customers if it doesn't last that long! ;-) I have had the HP 5500 in another business we sold that had a kit that you could switch Back and forth between the two inks in about 15 minutes. The UV ink is a little more muted and doesn't pop as much but most people would be Hard pressed to notice. When we bought another HP 5500 last year we decided to just get the UV ink option and we have not been Disappointed at all. But I would be very careful about guaranteeing any kind of Time with it. If for example your customer hangs a banner printed with this where there is Direct sun exposure and/or there is moisture, it will fade over days or weeks, especially Red tinted colors. It's fine for some short term use. There is a non-elegant way to get around this if you are not expecting lots of banners or want To tip toe into this. You can go to any auto parts store and purchase a product called UV Clear Kote or something close to That. It is usually by their spray paint cans. After printing the banner and letting it dry about an Hour you can spray this stuff on it and it will provide some protection, not as good as Lamination but good enough for most short term use ( 3 months to 6 months ). There is also a product called Frog Juice that you apply with a roller, can be a little messy. I suggest you print 2 test banners for yourself and spray this stuff on one of them (write the print date on the back), then hang them outside side by side and see for yourself if it makes any difference and how long it takes for it to start fading. Or before you pull the trigger, have your salesman bring you a printed sample banner with UV ink to test. Hope that helps, good luck! David Doost Printing Impression Kennesaw, GA 30144 770-422-8766 www.printingimpression.net -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Hitner Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 5:40 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] HP 5500 WITH UV INKS ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have just decided to switch my HP 5500 to UV inks. I am doing this due to the fact that we are printing outdoor banners and was advised by my salesman that the banners would not need lamination and will last up to 6 months. He also indicated that due to the new inks, I would not notice any changes in quality of print or color with my indoor posters, etc. The cost saving on lamination is major. Has anyone else had similar experience with this change over? Before I totally commit, I could use some advise. Thanks in advance for your comments, Steve Hitner METROWEST Printing Marlborough, Ma 508-481-6699 steveh@metrowestprinting.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com Mon Jul 9 18:28:29 2007 From: TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com (Tom ) Date: Mon Jul 9 18:28:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Your Chance to Provide Feedback to Adobe Message-ID: More thoughts, 'cause I'm really up in arms about this?. Kinko's has 1,600 locations, right? What if Adobe got a letter, similar to below, from 2,000 printer shops? Heck, why not 8,000 printers? No, what about 30,000 printers? Maybe 40,000? Dear Mr. Chizen, Regarding your arrangement with Fedex/Kinko's, there is really nothing to discuss. I will not purchase products from Adobe as long as your company is actively engaged in soliciting business for my competitor. Further, it will be to my economic benefit to encourage my customers to do likewise. Sincerely, Tom King King Printing State College, PA 16801 From Susan at cdandp.net Mon Jul 9 18:59:06 2007 From: Susan at cdandp.net (Susan Compton) Date: Mon Jul 9 18:57:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fw: An Example Message-ID: <014301c7c27c$c0aac9e0$6702a8c0@SUSAN> I just sent this to Adobe. Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Street Lexington, Virginia 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan Compton To: printfeedback@adobe.com Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 6:56 PM Subject: An Example Dear Mr. Loiacono, Unless Adobe finds a way to cancel its contract with FedEx/Kinko's, I don't think you are going to be able to salvage your relationship with the thousands of independent printers around the country. Please let me give you an example. I just bought out one of my competitors, a company that was nearly four times the size of mine. Would you like to know why? Because when the production manager of nearly 25 years retired, they hired a jerk who ran off employees and customers. They kept him for one year because he had a one year contract. During that time, this $1 million shop lost $150,000. Wouldn't it have been cheaper to buy out the guy's contract after the first quarter than to wait because he had a one-year contract than to let him destroy the whole company? It's your call, but it's our decision as to whether we continue to do business with Adobe. Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Street Lexington, Virginia 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net From championprinting at yahoo.com Mon Jul 9 20:01:27 2007 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Mon Jul 9 20:01:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] =?iso-8859-7?q?Re=3A_Adobe_Reader_and_FedEx_Kinko?= =?iso-8859-7?q?=A2s?= Message-ID: <247100.78167.qm@web38914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Johnny, Last time I viewed the Kinko's electronic order entry system (prior the the Kinko's button on Reader), it seemed to work very well. Your response that this button was put in place for existing Kinko's customers seems disingenuous to me. It was simply a way to get users of Reader (our customers) directed to Kinko's. I'm beginning to think this was a well thought out plan to benefit Adobe short term. I sincerely hope I am wrong about this, but if Adobe truly saw this as a "we blew it" moment, the button would be gone now. It wasn't so long ago that Quark was the dominant graphics program. They thought they could ignore their customers wishes with no repercussions. They didn't lose share immediately, but look at them now. This was a move in Quark's footsteps. If your ASN partners are more important to you than Kinko's, you have only one option. Get out of the deal. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Johnny Loiacono To: championprinting@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, July 9, 2007 2:06:02 PM Subject: Adobe Reader and FedEx Kinko?s If this message is not displaying properly, click here to launch your browser. Dear Ted, Thank you for your recent communication concerning the Adobe/FedEx Kinko?s announcement. We wish we could send a personal note to everyone who has contacted us, but due to the overwhelming response, we are forced to send you a more formal letter. We understand that this announcement has caused concern among some of our partners and key business allies in the print community. Our motivation for the deal was simple ? offer customers, who are already printing and shipping through FedEx Kinko?s, a more seamless way of getting their print jobs done. Clearly, the industry did not view our announcement in that way. It was not Adobe?s intent to upset our loyal print partners or in-house print service providers. Adobe has a long history with the print community that we appreciate and value greatly. We are currently working to set up a forum with a group of print partners to serve as an advisory council to Adobe on this issue. We will look for ways to accommodate your needs and those of the other members of the print community while respecting our contractual obligations with FedEx Kinko?s. The advisory meeting is tentatively scheduled for July 17. If you have ideas or suggestions, please email them to printfeedback@adobe.com by July 11th so we can include them in the forum. Our goal remains steadfast: working with you to improve our customers? experiences. Again, thank you for your feedback. Regards, Johnny Loiacono Senior Vice-President Creative Solutions Business Unit From TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com Mon Jul 9 20:09:53 2007 From: TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com (Tom ) Date: Mon Jul 9 20:09:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] My Letter to Adobe Message-ID: Johnny Loiacono Senior Vice-President Creative Solutions Business Unit Dear Mr. Loiacono, There is nothing to discuss. It's very simple - I will not purchase products from Adobe as long as your company is actively engaged in soliciting business for my competitor. As a small business owner, I really don't give two hoots about Adobe's 'contractual obligations' to Fedex Kinko's. I have contractual obligations also - to maintain and hopefully grow my business, obligations to my employees, and obligations to put food on the table for my family. By the way, the lead story on my August newsletter, sent to 2,300 customers and potential customers, will be "Free and Easy Alternatives to Adobe Acrobat and Reader". Sincerely, Tom King King Printing State College, PA 16801 From championprinting at yahoo.com Mon Jul 9 20:15:52 2007 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Mon Jul 9 20:14:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] [members] Re: Adobe Reader and FedEx Kinko?s {01} Message-ID: <8B31B742B27B4CBB9986033896A11557@monarchgraphics.office> Dear Johnny, Last time I viewed the Kinko's electronic order entry system (prior the the Kinko's button on Reader), it seemed to work very well. Your response that this button was put in place for existing Kinko's customers seems disingenuous to me. It was simply a way to get users of Reader (our customers) directed to Kinko's. I'm beginning to think this was a well thought out plan to benefit Adobe short term. I sincerely hope I am wrong about this, but if Adobe truly saw this as a "we blew it" moment, the button would be gone now. It wasn't so long ago that Quark was the dominant graphics program. They thought they could ignore their customers wishes with no repercussions. They didn't lose share immediately, but look at them now. This was a move in Quark's footsteps. If your ASN partners are more important to you than Kinko's, you have only one option. Get out of the deal. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Johnny Loiacono To: championprinting@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, July 9, 2007 2:06:02 PM Subject: Adobe Reader and FedEx Kinko?s If this message is not displaying properly, click here to launch your browser. Dear Ted, Thank you for your recent communication concerning the Adobe/FedEx Kinko?s announcement. We wish we could send a personal note to everyone who has contacted us, but due to the overwhelming response, we are forced to send you a more formal letter. We understand that this announcement has caused concern among some of our partners and key business allies in the print community. Our motivation for the deal was simple ? offer customers, who are already printing and shipping through FedEx Kinko?s, a more seamless way of getting their print jobs done. Clearly, the industry did not view our announcement in that way. It was not Adobe?s intent to upset our loyal print partners or in-house print service providers. Adobe has a long history with the print community that we appreciate and value greatly. We are currently working to set up a forum with a group of print partners to serve as an advisory council to Adobe on this issue. We will look for ways to accommodate your needs and those of the other members of the print community while respecting our contractual obligations with FedEx Kinko?s. The advisory meeting is tentatively scheduled for July 17. If you have ideas or suggestions, please email them to printfeedback@adobe.com by July 11th so we can include them in the forum. Our goal remains steadfast: working with you to improve our customers? experiences. Again, thank you for your feedback. Regards, Johnny Loiacono Senior Vice-President Creative Solutions Business Unit --NAQP List Serve-------------------------------------- If you believe you received this message in error or no longer wish to subscribe to the NAQP Listserve, please send an email to membership@printimage.org with ?PLEASE REMOVE? in the subject line. Please DO NOT reply to this email. Thank you, The NAQP Staff From kurt at qpgraphics.biz Mon Jul 9 20:15:04 2007 From: kurt at qpgraphics.biz (Kurt A. Kroh) Date: Mon Jul 9 20:15:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] CMYK to spot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c7c287$5d3b7660$0a01a8c0@KurtWXP> Please send me the file and I will have a look, If it dosen't take much to fix I won't charge you. Best Regards, Kurt A. Kroh Sales and Marketing Manager Quality Plus Design & Graphics 6935 Aliante Parkway Suite 104-131 North Las Vegas, NV 89084 P (702) 987-4677 F (702) 974-4848 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark Lake Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 9:21 AM To: PrintOwners Subject: [PrintOwners] CMYK to spot ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a pdf document created by Lord only knows who that is cmyk. It needs to be spot color (process blue & black). Is there any way to fix this pdf? There are 2 panels where there is either a blue background with black knockout or vise versa. I don't know if one of the pdf utility programs will do this or not. If so, I am willing to pay someone to fix rather than me purchase a $600 program, at least at this time. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.186) Database version: 5.07670 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From oren66 at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 9 22:24:45 2007 From: oren66 at sbcglobal.net (Arie Teomi) Date: Mon Jul 9 22:24:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Cardboard Boxes In-Reply-To: <000601c7c287$5d3b7660$0a01a8c0@KurtWXP> Message-ID: <88013.41126.qm@web83406.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I am looking for a source of color cardbord boxes. 150 -200 PSI. for retail products. Customer needs different sizes.Large quantities (per her) Of course Mid west is preferable. Any Idea? Thanks Arie Arie Teomi MINUTEMAN PRESS 24000 Mercantile Rd. #16 Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.minutemancleveland.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner From k_graham at hotmail.com Mon Jul 9 22:55:23 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Mon Jul 9 22:55:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How would you handle this? References: <00da01c7c249$0a5481a0$6800000a@Engelhart> Message-ID: Normally when this happens to me and my agreement to reprint, its followed by - as long as its being re-printed can you make this little change .... which is why the customer was being difficult to begin with. Yes for 50% of order and we make scratch pads for you with the bad ones. In addition to requiring them returned before issuing a credit, require a sample of the newly printed item the client was happy with and tell the client if there was a change you will be going through small claims - even if in reality you send it to a collection agent. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 Dawson Creek BC Canada V1G 2G5 250-782-7108 > > On June 13 an out of town customer called to complain about her letterhead > .the stock did not match the previous order. > > and she claimed that the color was "off" > > > > I called her back on June 14.th I explained that we ordered the same > Wausau Royal Fibre white stock, and the current shade is whiter. I checked > the color and it was a proper match with the pms book chip > > > > We agreed to send new paper samples (meaning any papers that look like the > white Royal Fibre) and would fix the problem. We also sent a pms color > stick to show the correct color. This was done on Thursday June 14th > > > > I followed up with three phone calls to follow up and left messages. None > were returned > > > > Today, July 9, 2007 I spoke with both owners (one passed me over to the > other) and they said that they were not going to pay for the print work > and that they found a local printer. > > I will not dispute any of their complaints. What I am upset about is that > we jumped on their complaint, tried to fix it and they are not giving us > the opportunity for cure. > > I am feeling like I want to tell them we will not issue a call tag for the > defective goods, and expect full payment, or we will take them to small > claims court, in Cleveland. (They are in Columbus, 2.5 hours away) > > Am I right to do this or am I letting my emotions get the better of me.... > > > > Gerry Engelhart > Porath PrintSource > P. 216-626-0060 > F. 216-626-0061 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Jul 10 00:18:21 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Jul 10 00:18:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Color Cardboard Boxes In-Reply-To: <88013.41126.qm@web83406.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <000601c7c287$5d3b7660$0a01a8c0@KurtWXP> <88013.41126.qm@web83406.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707092118m29b10a8fua47bb1f965a5e869@mail.gmail.com> On 7/9/07, Arie Teomi wrote: > > I am looking for a source of color cardbord boxes. > 150 -200 PSI. for retail products. Customer needs > different sizes.Large quantities (per her) Suggestions: Define "large quantities." Forget "per her." ASK her for a specific quantity range. We've all had customers to whom 50 or 100 of anything is a large quantity. The "per her" comment raises a red flag for me, suggesting not having asked some all-important questions. Different sizes? What sizes? Printed or not? Is she currently buying these boxes somewhere else? The more questions you get answers to, the less the chance of your wasting your time, and the greater the chance of closing a sale. Then google: "gift boxes" might be a good place to start. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From k_graham at hotmail.com Tue Jul 10 02:26:30 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Tue Jul 10 02:26:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe alternative - Fw: Provide your feedback on CorelDRAW and Win! Message-ID: CorelDRAW User SurveyIf someone is truly going to boycott Adobe they need an alternative software supplier. And it will benefit to mention it when complaining to Adobe. We use for instance the Adobe Interpreter on our Ripit Symphony 2. Am I going to get rid of it - no. Am I going to delay updating it if a paid update comes out, I can go along with that. Corel would not be the preferred alternative if using Macs but I find it interesting how many of our clients use Corel. Not just clients but sign shops and for embroidery. We use Corel 12, having started many years ago at 1.1. Usually when a new client comes in they act a bit embarrased as they are not using the A___ software. Then happy when we tell them we are comfortable with Corel which is what they are using even more than Publisher and Word. The last 3 or 4 summers we've hired Graphics summer students that learn A____ Creative software all year long. I would let them use their choice and within a week I find they are using Corel Draw for layouts but they still hang on to PhotoShop instead of using the included PhotoPaint. When asked they say Corel Draw is easier and Quicker than Illustrator and InDesign for the mostly 1 to 4 page layouts we do, but they still prefer A____ Photo Shop. If you don't use Corel and have a PC they have a trial download I believe they will extend to 30 days. It also includes a good Font downloader, Bitstream Font Navigator that I've heard doesn't expire which you will get as a free bonus. Not to mention Corel includes barcode capabilities built in since at least Corel 9. Also Corel Merge for things like simple variable data. They've also had imposition capabilities since at least corel 9, probably Corel 7 available in the print and printpreview area of Corel. If trying Corel you should also download a free utility called RomCat which is available as RomCat5 (google for this) - a capable free file viewer for Corel files which sure beats using a paper based catalogue for looking up the included clipart vector files. If you are willing to settle for less than the latest you can pick full versionsoftware up inexpensively on Ebay, I would suggest only using vendors with 1000's of good feedback. If you do use Corel, here is a Corel Feedback letter you might want to fill out. Given the feedback of my summer student(s) improvements to Photopaint might be the main suggestion. The other might be inclusion of more long document capabilities or perhaps including Ventura agian.. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250.782.7108 Could we have your opinion? We are inviting you to participate in a survey to help ensure we continue to evolve CorelDRAW Graphics Suite to meet your needs. The survey should take approximately 15 minutes to complete. As a small token of our thanks, we will enter you into a random draw to win 1 of 25 Corel Software Packages of your choice if you complete the survey by 1st August, 2007. Please click on the following link to begin: Yes, I would like to take the survey now. http://corel.rsc01.net/servlet/cc5?8hjLtQYDYYCQTVsXnjHoHuxohluHptQJhuVaVRVlLtsLPVACDURRUS Thank you for taking the time to participate in this important study...and good luck in the random draw! 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From jedwards at printzilla.net Tue Jul 10 08:48:46 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Tue Jul 10 08:51:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need help with Adobe - .wpd file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B41FD9A-A75A-4C1F-AD3D-A34E17EDA6C3@printzilla.net> Somebody sent me a file with a .wpd extension on it and nothing on this Mac, not even MS Office, wants to open it. Where's that Adobe pull-down for Kinkos? Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas From afpadc at afprinters.com Tue Jul 10 08:59:21 2007 From: afpadc at afprinters.com (Arthur Chotin) Date: Tue Jul 10 08:58:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need help with Adobe - .wpd file In-Reply-To: <4B41FD9A-A75A-4C1F-AD3D-A34E17EDA6C3@printzilla.net> References: <4B41FD9A-A75A-4C1F-AD3D-A34E17EDA6C3@printzilla.net> Message-ID: <5u1lfe$d25q57@smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Jack, It's a WordPerfect file. If you can't open it send it to my email and I'll open it and send it back to you as a PDF. Arthur At 08:48 AM 7/10/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Somebody sent me a file with a .wpd extension on it and nothing on >this Mac, not even MS Office, wants to open it. Where's that Adobe >pull-down for Kinkos? > >Jack Edwards >Oak Ridge North, Texas >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2389 (20070710) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > ---------- Arthur D. Chotin President American Financial Printers 734 15th Street, NW Washington, DC 20005 202.464.5500 www.afprinters.com From gamble at choiceonemail.com Tue Jul 10 09:25:44 2007 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Tue Jul 10 09:25:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need help with Adobe - .wpd file In-Reply-To: <4B41FD9A-A75A-4C1F-AD3D-A34E17EDA6C3@printzilla.net> References: <4B41FD9A-A75A-4C1F-AD3D-A34E17EDA6C3@printzilla.net> Message-ID: <047001c7c2f5$d3a1a270$0301a8c0@RICK> JACK, .WPD IS A WORDPERFECT EXTENSION ON A FILE I HAVE ALSO SEEN IT USED IN PUBLISHER PRO. IF YOU'D LIKE I CAN CONVERT THIS TO A PDF FOR YOU BUT I CAN TELL YOU SOMETIMES WORD PERFECT HAS A TENDENCY TO LOSE SOME FORMATTING UPON CONVERSION TO A PDF RICK BIRD GAMBLE PRINTING & MAILING INC. BUFFALO, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - FAX GAMBLE@CHOICEONEMAIL.COM - EMAIL -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jack Edwards Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:49 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Need help with Adobe - .wpd file ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Somebody sent me a file with a .wpd extension on it and nothing on this Mac, not even MS Office, wants to open it. Where's that Adobe pull-down for Kinkos? Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jedwards at printzilla.net Tue Jul 10 09:32:45 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Tue Jul 10 09:35:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need help with Adobe - .wpd file In-Reply-To: <5u1lfe$d25q57@smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net> References: <4B41FD9A-A75A-4C1F-AD3D-A34E17EDA6C3@printzilla.net> <5u1lfe$d25q57@smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Message-ID: <69638EE0-5A5B-45D8-B2A2-E86B43501FEC@printzilla.net> Arthur and Rick, thanks! It's on its way. I think it's a one or two page application for something. But get this! I tried importing into Quark. I walked away and when I returned about 15 minutes later it had generated 2000 pages! No joke. Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas From craig at newhavenprint.com Tue Jul 10 09:38:03 2007 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Tue Jul 10 09:37:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lenticular effects In-Reply-To: <047001c7c2f5$d3a1a270$0301a8c0@RICK> Message-ID: <20070710133755.E4F1697AD45@rb.enter.net> I have a customer that wants to produce some tickets that are 3-D, or Lenticular. Does anybody know of a place that does this? I have a call into a company called PrintComm in Flint, Michigan. Any other suggestions? Thanks, Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From kellycrom at gmail.com Tue Jul 10 10:00:00 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Tue Jul 10 09:58:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lenticular effects In-Reply-To: <20070710133755.E4F1697AD45@rb.enter.net> References: <047001c7c2f5$d3a1a270$0301a8c0@RICK> <20070710133755.E4F1697AD45@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <039f01c7c2fa$9b8dc300$6d01a8c0@KELLY> You can try Travel Tags up here in MN www.traveltags.com. I think they are now part of the Taylor Corp. companies. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Craig Dellinger > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:38 AM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: [PrintOwners] Lenticular effects > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a customer that wants to produce some tickets that are 3-D, or > Lenticular. Does anybody know of a place that does this? I > have a call into > a company called PrintComm in Flint, Michigan. Any other suggestions? > > Thanks, > Craig Dellinger > New Haven Print & Copy > 7531 US 930 East > Fort Wayne, IN 46803 > 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 > www.newhavenprint.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From list at copyquik.com Tue Jul 10 10:05:05 2007 From: list at copyquik.com (list account) Date: Tue Jul 10 10:03:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lenticular effects Message-ID: <17A956E360AFB246B60EA55E431B268A2F0629@zeus.copyquik.local> Craig, Try: Blanks Printing & Imaging Cynthia Herndon 214-741-3905 www.blankslenticular.com Barry D. Martin Copyquik Printing & Graphics LLC 710 Oak Hill Ave. Hagerstown, MD 21740 301-791-7400 phone 301-733-4752 fax barry@copyquik.com We help you market your business with Graphic Design, Printing, Mailing, Signs and Promotional advertising products. www.copyquik.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Craig Dellinger Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 9:38 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] Lenticular effects ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a customer that wants to produce some tickets that are 3-D, or Lenticular. Does anybody know of a place that does this? I have a call into a company called PrintComm in Flint, Michigan. Any other suggestions? Thanks, Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Tue Jul 10 10:39:40 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Tue Jul 10 10:40:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] CMYK to spot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Many thanks for Phil, Steve and Kurt for offering to fix this file. In one of the few times this would actually occur, my customer was able to find the original document and we were able to fix it ourselves in the native application. Again, thanks for the off-list emails with offers to help me out. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark Lake Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 11:21 AM To: PrintOwners Subject: [PrintOwners] CMYK to spot ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a pdf document created by Lord only knows who that is cmyk. It needs to be spot color (process blue & black). Is there any way to fix this pdf? There are 2 panels where there is either a blue background with black knockout or vise versa. I don't know if one of the pdf utility programs will do this or not. If so, I am willing to pay someone to fix rather than me purchase a $600 program, at least at this time. E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.186) Database version: 5.07690 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From jdaghir at gmail.com Tue Jul 10 11:29:47 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Tue Jul 10 11:29:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Used Equipment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83d5b9620707100829s304672b9i8189ccfadd2eba3f@mail.gmail.com> Not sure about the QM46 or the Ryobi 3200xl, but I believe a Baum 714 air feed would sell on ebay for around $2000-$4000 depending on age and condition. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Joe said: > I have a local shop closing and they are selling a used QM46 (1998 > model), a used Ryobi 3200XL, and a Baum 714 air fed folder.....I am > looking at these, but really are looking for a "deal" (ie I am not > really in the need of these, but I do need some type of small duplicator > press for envelopes) > > From John at mpcny.com Tue Jul 10 12:40:40 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Tue Jul 10 12:40:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] If Adobe was a China based company Message-ID: <000a01c7c311$0d799280$286cb780$@com> Some parody humor for the day Adobe's head of FedEx/Kinko's deal Executed By John Henry The Oracle of Oswego Tuesday, July 10, 2007; 2:24 AM BEIJING -- Adobe on Tuesday executed the former head of its Fedx/kinko's partnership group who had become a symbol of the company's wide-ranging problems on partner fairness and public relations. BC (full name withheld to protect the executioner) execution was confirmed by Adobe television and the official Adobe News Agency. "The few corrupt officials of Adobe are the shame of the whole system and their scandals have revealed some very serious problems," Bruce Chizen, Adobe CEO said at a news conference held to highlight efforts to improve Adobe's track record on print partner relations. "We should seriously reflect and learn lessons from these cases. We should step up our efforts to ensure partner parity, which is what we are doing now and what we will do in the future," Chizen said. BX was sentenced to death on July 4th for proposing the Kinko's link and blamed for arch rival Quark once again becoming the leading graphic arts provider and Microsoft XPS amazing fast acceptance in the professional printing market place. BX was given a death sentence July 4th with a 5 day reprieve for dereliction of duty and underestimating the wrath of former ASN partners. Such death sentences usually are commuted to life in Adobe prison if the convict is deemed to have reformed. BX's death sentence was unusually heavy even for Adobe, believed to carry out more board executions than all other companies combined, and likely indicates the leadership's determination to confront the company's dire public relations record. As a side note Chizen refused to admit that the whole Fedx/kinko's mess would result in a lowering of Adobes profit projections. He pointed out SPE (Sales per employee) would improve with the execution and if needed others would be preformed. It was pointed out that Adobe has contractual obligations to Fedx/kinko's and any of its employees like BX will suffer the repercussions of them. Real story http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/09/AR2007070900 689_pf.html John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for First, Second and Standard Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/893 - Release Date: 7/9/2007 5:22 PM From cpurvine1 at cox.net Tue Jul 10 12:45:25 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Tue Jul 10 12:45:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] If Adobe was a China based company In-Reply-To: <000a01c7c311$0d799280$286cb780$@com> References: <000a01c7c311$0d799280$286cb780$@com> Message-ID: <008e01c7c311$b7328430$0300a8c0@corapurvine> That page is no longer there????? Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 11:41 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] If Adobe was a China based company Importance: High ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Some parody humor for the day Adobe's head of FedEx/Kinko's deal Executed By John Henry The Oracle of Oswego Tuesday, July 10, 2007; 2:24 AM BEIJING -- Adobe on Tuesday executed the former head of its Fedx/kinko's partnership group who had become a symbol of the company's wide-ranging problems on partner fairness and public relations. BC (full name withheld to protect the executioner) execution was confirmed by Adobe television and the official Adobe News Agency. "The few corrupt officials of Adobe are the shame of the whole system and their scandals have revealed some very serious problems," Bruce Chizen, Adobe CEO said at a news conference held to highlight efforts to improve Adobe's track record on print partner relations. "We should seriously reflect and learn lessons from these cases. We should step up our efforts to ensure partner parity, which is what we are doing now and what we will do in the future," Chizen said. BX was sentenced to death on July 4th for proposing the Kinko's link and blamed for arch rival Quark once again becoming the leading graphic arts provider and Microsoft XPS amazing fast acceptance in the professional printing market place. BX was given a death sentence July 4th with a 5 day reprieve for dereliction of duty and underestimating the wrath of former ASN partners. Such death sentences usually are commuted to life in Adobe prison if the convict is deemed to have reformed. BX's death sentence was unusually heavy even for Adobe, believed to carry out more board executions than all other companies combined, and likely indicates the leadership's determination to confront the company's dire public relations record. As a side note Chizen refused to admit that the whole Fedx/kinko's mess would result in a lowering of Adobes profit projections. He pointed out SPE (Sales per employee) would improve with the execution and if needed others would be preformed. It was pointed out that Adobe has contractual obligations to Fedx/kinko's and any of its employees like BX will suffer the repercussions of them. Real story http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/09/AR2007070900 689_pf.html John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for First, Second and Standard Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/893 - Release Date: 7/9/2007 5:22 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2390 (20070710) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From bnjbriggs at juno.com Tue Jul 10 13:12:06 2007 From: bnjbriggs at juno.com (bnjbriggs@juno.com) Date: Tue Jul 10 13:13:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need help with Adobe - .wpd file Message-ID: <20070710.131206.23569.0@webmail28.lax.untd.com> It's a Word Perfect Document. MS Word should open it. Bob Briggs, Evangel Printers, Bucksport, ME _____________________________________________________________ Click for home mortgage, fast & free, no lender fee, approval today http://track.juno.com/s/lc?u=http://tagline.untd.us/fc/Ioyw6iieiZket3GyciovZSOjtlogCg4NID2cprfDrONcHWlQ5aucK4/ From carole at wordcatering.com Tue Jul 10 14:24:46 2007 From: carole at wordcatering.com (Carole M. Rike) Date: Tue Jul 10 14:24:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe alternative - Fw: Provide your feedback onCorelDRAW and Win! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02b201c7c31f$97c87dd0$6801a8c0@carol3ceeaab4a> I second the suggestion of Corel, which I prefer to Adobe for everything but Photoshop. Probably because I know Photoshop. I also am a heavy user of Corel Ventura, which puts InDesign and PageMaker to shame. Carole M. Rike Word Catering, Ltd. PRINTING SOLUTIONS 48299 Stafford Road . Tickfaw, LA 70466 - CorelDRAW User SurveyIf someone is truly going to boycott Adobe they need an alternative software supplier. And it will benefit to mention it when complaining to Adobe. We use for instance the Adobe Interpreter on our Ripit Symphony 2. Am I going to get rid of it - no. Am I going to delay updating it if a paid update comes out, I can go along with that. Corel would not be the preferred alternative if using Macs but I find it interesting how many of our clients use Corel. Not just clients but sign shops and for embroidery. We use Corel 12, having started many years ago at 1.1. From michael at wolfiesprint.com Tue Jul 10 14:42:16 2007 From: michael at wolfiesprint.com (Michael Wolf) Date: Tue Jul 10 14:42:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] .wpd file In-Reply-To: <69638EE0-5A5B-45D8-B2A2-E86B43501FEC@printzilla.net> Message-ID: Wpd is a word perfect file - use Corel to import and edit and save as a .pdf if you need it back to Indesign etc! Michael Wolf THE WOLF PRINTING CO 714-491-0500 michael@wolfiesprint.com Print, Document Imaging, Mailing, Posters, Stamps & Creative Ideas! -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jack Edwards Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 6:33 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Need help with Adobe - .wpd file ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Arthur and Rick, thanks! It's on its way. I think it's a one or two page application for something. But get this! I tried importing into Quark. I walked away and when I returned about 15 minutes later it had generated 2000 pages! No joke. Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2389 (20070710) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From printer at ptialaska.net Tue Jul 10 15:18:15 2007 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Tue Jul 10 15:18:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe alternative - Fw: Provide your feedback onCorelDRAW and Win! In-Reply-To: <02b201c7c31f$97c87dd0$6801a8c0@carol3ceeaab4a> References: <02b201c7c31f$97c87dd0$6801a8c0@carol3ceeaab4a> Message-ID: On Jul 10, 2007, at 10:24 AM, Carole M. Rike wrote: > > I also am a heavy user of Corel Ventura, which puts InDesign and > PageMaker to shame. REPLY: WHAT? HOW? SAYS WHO? hmmmm.... _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From kevin at proprinters.ca Tue Jul 10 15:43:07 2007 From: kevin at proprinters.ca (Kevin Kerr at PRO Printers) Date: Tue Jul 10 15:43:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe alternative - Fw: Provide your feedbackonCorelDRAW and Win! References: <02b201c7c31f$97c87dd0$6801a8c0@carol3ceeaab4a> Message-ID: <00ed01c7c32a$8afae650$0200a8c0@promerivale1> I'll third the suggestion of CorelDraw. We use it for just about everything except Photoshop is used when we have a lot of adjustments to make to bitmaps. We have always found Corel to be more intuitive than Adobe products. It also has the major advantage of being able to do impositions right in the program itself. I think I remember someone calling it the Swiss Army Knife of graphic software and I certainly concur. However, I cannot imagine doing without Acrobat. Without it, we'd be forced to deal with Microsoft products. And that is a fate too awful to even contemplate. Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carole M. Rike" > > I second the suggestion of Corel, which I prefer to Adobe for everything > but > Photoshop. Probably because I know Photoshop. I also am a heavy user of > Corel Ventura, which puts InDesign and PageMaker to shame. > > Carole M. Rike > Word Catering, Ltd. > PRINTING SOLUTIONS > 48299 Stafford Road . Tickfaw, LA 70466 > > - > CorelDRAW User SurveyIf someone is truly going to boycott Adobe they need > an > > alternative software supplier. And it will benefit to mention it when > complaining to Adobe. We use for instance the Adobe Interpreter on our > Ripit > > Symphony 2. Am I going to get rid of it - no. Am I going to delay updating > it if a paid update comes out, I can go along with that. > > Corel would not be the preferred alternative if using Macs but I find it > interesting how many of our clients use Corel. Not just clients but sign > shops and for embroidery. We use Corel 12, having started many years ago > at > 1.1. > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From sos at olympus.net Tue Jul 10 16:01:26 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Jul 10 16:01:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe alternative -CorelDRAW References: <02b201c7c31f$97c87dd0$6801a8c0@carol3ceeaab4a> <00ed01c7c32a$8afae650$0200a8c0@promerivale1> Message-ID: <001a01c7c32d$1934bde0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> > I'll third the suggestion of CorelDraw. We use it for just about > everything calling it the Swiss > Army Knife of graphic software and I certainly concur. > > However, I cannot imagine doing without Acrobat. Without it, we'd be > forced to deal with Microsoft products. And that is a fate too awful to > even contemplate. --------------------------- I also have Corel, but it is anything but intuitive to me, having used Aldus and then Adobe products forever. I can get files printed with Corel, but I wouldn't think of doing design work with it at this point. When you're out camping, a Swiss army knife is handy, but I'd never trade my set of chef's knifes for one. I'd rather use Microsoft Publisher which I think is a pretty darned good program now. With the XPS format from any Microsoft product, you don't really need PDF anymore, although I don't yet have any experience with color files in XPS and of course XPS is a Vista thing and people don't seem to be making the migration very quickly. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From kevin at proprinters.ca Tue Jul 10 16:12:30 2007 From: kevin at proprinters.ca (Kevin Kerr at PRO Printers) Date: Tue Jul 10 16:12:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe alternative -CorelDRAW References: <02b201c7c31f$97c87dd0$6801a8c0@carol3ceeaab4a><00ed01c7c32a$8afae650$0200a8c0@promerivale1> <001a01c7c32d$1934bde0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <010301c7c32e$a50be2c0$0200a8c0@promerivale1> I think with software (and many other things) it is "better the devil you know". I think Adobe may be counting on that with their recent alliance with Fedex/Kinko's. We have not had even one person come in with a file out of Vista that we're aware of, and certainly no XPS file. Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Huntingford" > > I also have Corel, but it is anything but intuitive to me, having used > Aldus and then Adobe products forever. I can get files printed with > Corel, but I wouldn't think of doing design work with it at this point. > When you're out camping, a Swiss army knife is handy, but I'd never trade > my set of chef's knifes for one. I'd rather use Microsoft Publisher which > I think is a pretty darned good program now. > With the XPS format from any Microsoft product, you don't really need PDF > anymore, although I don't yet have any experience with color files in XPS > and of course XPS is a Vista thing and people don't seem to be making the > migration very quickly. > > From robin at protypeonline.com Tue Jul 10 16:29:08 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Tue Jul 10 16:29:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Indiana School Board Members Message-ID: Are any of you on this list currently or have served in the past on your local school board? Maybe a relative or close friend of yours? I have contacted several different people today, Indiana Dept. of Transportation and several school's Transportation Directors. Trying to find out what the schools in Indiana use or if they use Daily Pre- Trip School Bus Inspection Books. We prints thousands of these each year for school districts in Illinois and IL requires districts to use these but they can be purchased from several different sources. Indiana does not require HOWEVER, I have been told that most districts use them. Well, what are they using and where do they purchase them? One school said they print their own forms on 20# white on their school copier -- she was quite interested in our carbonless forms in book format with a wrap around cover to separate the sets.....Last year we sent a direct mail piece with order form to almost 2000 Indiana schools and did not even receive one single inquiry. Soooo, if anyone out there can provide me with a resource or info. that would be great. Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From slb at inkspot.net Tue Jul 10 17:16:14 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Jul 10 17:16:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Banding Problem -- HELP!! In-Reply-To: <001a01c7c32d$1934bde0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <4693BEDE.10821.15C64B9A@slb.inkspot.net> We're getting banding in a graduated screen background in a four- color job. We're running film out of a Lino 530, to make metal plates. The imagesetter is 2540 dpi, and the screen goes from about 15% to less than 5% over the width of the piece (8.5"). I know this is a recipe for disaster if we do it "straight"--10% change over 9" is about 1" per inch, and postscript only knows about 256 shades of gray, which means 0.4% steps, or about every half inch. I've heard discussion of "tricks" to improve matters, but can't find the information. Doing the blend in Photoshop with noise added gives a different result, but it's not really an improvement. (Maybe we haven't hit the right noise parameters, though....?). HELP!! TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From printer at ptialaska.net Tue Jul 10 17:26:38 2007 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Tue Jul 10 17:26:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Banding Problem -- HELP!! In-Reply-To: <4693BEDE.10821.15C64B9A@slb.inkspot.net> References: <4693BEDE.10821.15C64B9A@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <6FCA9696-B283-4F20-BD02-8DA9DB7D41E1@ptialaska.net> On Jul 10, 2007, at 1:16 PM, Steve Blatman wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We're getting banding in a graduated screen background in a four- > color job. > > We're running film out of a Lino 530, to make metal plates. REPLY: I am guessing it is the RIP for the 530 that is giving problems. We had a 630 with a RIP 60 and it did okay but nothing like the new RIPS. _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From cpurvine1 at cox.net Tue Jul 10 17:31:46 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Tue Jul 10 17:31:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] FedEx/Kinko's Message-ID: <00da01c7c339$b8111d30$0300a8c0@corapurvine> I haven't heard anyone say anything about how sneaky FedEx/Kinko's was in getting this done. Shouldn't we be a LITTLE upset with them too? Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From slb at inkspot.net Tue Jul 10 17:44:28 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Jul 10 17:44:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Banding Problem -- HELP!! In-Reply-To: <6FCA9696-B283-4F20-BD02-8DA9DB7D41E1@ptialaska.net> References: <4693BEDE.10821.15C64B9A@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <4693C57C.11005.15E02475@slb.inkspot.net> It's a Harlequin rip, not one of the old Lino rips. It's a thought, though--I'll take a look at the rip setup options and see if anything looks promising. Any other thoughts? Steve > > > On Jul 10, 2007, at 1:16 PM, Steve Blatman wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > We're getting banding in a graduated screen background in a four- > > color job. > > > > We're running film out of a Lino 530, to make metal plates. > > > REPLY: > I am guessing it is the RIP for the 530 that is giving problems. We > had a 630 with a RIP 60 and it did okay but nothing like the new RIPS. > > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > Charles Lincoln > ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY > 612 30th Avenue > Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 > (907) 451-1111 > fax (907) 451-4511 > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2390 (20070710) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From bob at quickerprinter.com Tue Jul 10 19:04:11 2007 From: bob at quickerprinter.com (R Lavarnway) Date: Tue Jul 10 18:04:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Banding Problem -- HELP!! References: <4693BEDE.10821.15C64B9A@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <004401c7c346$a28f5d20$6701a8c0@pc3> You most likely need to lower your screen lpi. A fairly technical discussion can be seen at: http://tinyurl.com/2ma9wf HTH Bob LaVarnway QP Printing & Mailing Elmira, NY 607-734-8955 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Blatman" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 4:16 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Banding Problem -- HELP!! > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We're getting banding in a graduated screen background in a four- > color job. > > We're running film out of a Lino 530, to make metal plates. > > The imagesetter is 2540 dpi, and the screen goes from about 15% to > less than 5% over the width of the piece (8.5"). I know this is a > recipe for disaster if we do it "straight"--10% change over 9" is > about 1" per inch, and postscript only knows about 256 shades of > gray, which means 0.4% steps, or about every half inch. > > I've heard discussion of "tricks" to improve matters, but can't find > the > information. Doing the blend in Photoshop with noise added gives a > different result, but it's not really an improvement. (Maybe we > haven't > hit the right noise parameters, though....?). > > HELP!! > > TIA, > Steve > > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From steveh at metrowestprinting.com Tue Jul 10 18:09:04 2007 From: steveh at metrowestprinting.com (Steve Hitner) Date: Tue Jul 10 18:09:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] FedEx/Kinko's References: <00da01c7c339$b8111d30$0300a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <022d01c7c33e$f53e06a0$1cfea8c0@Steveh> Maybe we should all be wondering when the big announcement will come introducing FedEx-Adobe. This recent debacle could be the foreshadowing of things to come. What a perfect way to "ship existing customers to their Kinko's operation". Do ya think???? Steve Hitner METROWEST Printing Marlborough, Ma 508-481-6699 steveh@metrowestprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cora Purvine" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 5:31 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] FedEx/Kinko's > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I haven't heard anyone say anything about how sneaky FedEx/Kinko's was in > getting this done. Shouldn't we be a LITTLE upset with them too? > > Class Act Printing and Foil > Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners > 5801 W. Juno Ave. > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 > cpurvine1@cox.net > www.ClassActPrinting.biz > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From sciesemier at pagepath.com Tue Jul 10 18:34:50 2007 From: sciesemier at pagepath.com (Steve Ciesemier) Date: Tue Jul 10 18:33:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe alternative - GIMP In-Reply-To: <010301c7c32e$a50be2c0$0200a8c0@promerivale1> References: <02b201c7c31f$97c87dd0$6801a8c0@carol3ceeaab4a><00ed01c7c32a$8afae650$0200a8c0@promerivale1><001a01c7c32d$1934bde0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <010301c7c32e$a50be2c0$0200a8c0@promerivale1> Message-ID: A free alternative to Photoshop. Runs on Mac, Windows, Unix, etc. http://www.gimp.org/ Like anything new, it takes getting used to because (like any new application) it works a little different than what you are used to. And if you don't like it, I think they will give you twice back what you paid for it! :-) Why pay for Adobe Photoshop when you can supply all your customers and employees with the GIMP for free? I bet if people paid the GIMP folks what they pay Adobe, it could flower into a killer app. Bring out the GIMP! Say, shouldn't someone have registered a website by now to act as a clearing house and meeting place for the growing "Switch from Adobe" movement? -Steve *********************************************************** Steve Ciesemier PagePath Technologies, Inc. 13 East Main Street Plano, IL 60545-1521 Phone & Fax: 630-689-4112 mailto:SCiesemier@pagepath.com http://www.pagepath.com MyOrderDesk - named Product of the Year by PrintImage International & Best of Breed by Xerox MyOrderDesk - Snag-Free print ready files, no matter the size. Eliminate frustration, spend more time winning & keeping customers, improve your profits. *********************************************************** From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Jul 10 18:51:55 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Jul 10 18:51:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] FedEx/Kinko's In-Reply-To: <022d01c7c33e$f53e06a0$1cfea8c0@Steveh> References: <00da01c7c339$b8111d30$0300a8c0@corapurvine> <022d01c7c33e$f53e06a0$1cfea8c0@Steveh> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707101551k5a6280b4qdd5dfe971c28b48@mail.gmail.com> On 7/10/07, Steve Hitner wrote: > > Maybe we should all be wondering when the big announcement will come > introducing FedEx-Adobe. This recent debacle could be the foreshadowing of > things to come. What a perfect way to "ship existing customers to their > Kinko's operation". > > Do ya think???? What a frighteningly fascinating scenario that ought to be discussed! Could -- and would -- the industry defect and boycott the support of Adobe programs? Could Adobe survive the wholesale defection of the printing industry? Who is likely to be able to step up to the plate with an integrated Adobe workaround? I'd like to believe there's no chance in hell that this would make it past the FTC. But what would we do if it did? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Jul 10 19:29:54 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Jul 10 19:29:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe alternative - GIMP In-Reply-To: References: <02b201c7c31f$97c87dd0$6801a8c0@carol3ceeaab4a> <00ed01c7c32a$8afae650$0200a8c0@promerivale1> <001a01c7c32d$1934bde0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <010301c7c32e$a50be2c0$0200a8c0@promerivale1> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707101629i7d56fabdu72095e9bb6bf2a5b@mail.gmail.com> On 7/10/07, Steve Ciesemier wrote: > > Say, shouldn't someone have registered a website by now to act as a > clearing house and meeting place for the growing "Switch from Adobe" > movement? Good idea, Steve. I just registered www.SayNoToAdobe.com and www.WhoNeedsAdobe.com -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From bgallagher at nbn.net Tue Jul 10 19:58:10 2007 From: bgallagher at nbn.net (Bob Gallagher) Date: Tue Jul 10 19:58:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe alternative - GIMP In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0707101629i7d56fabdu72095e9bb6bf2a5b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 7/10/07 7:29 PM, "Michael Vogel" wrote: > www.SayNoToAdobe.com Hey! We've got an acronym! SNoT Adobe. Need to get that registered. Bob Gallagher Gallagher Printing, Inc. 601 W. Main Street Palmyra, PA 17078 717-838-1527 1-888-838-1527 Fax 717-838-5715 An Adobe Service Provider A Microsoft Publisher Provider Member, Adobe Solutions Network From keli at parchmentpress.net Tue Jul 10 21:12:33 2007 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Tue Jul 10 21:12:35 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe alternative - GIMP In-Reply-To: References: <02b201c7c31f$97c87dd0$6801a8c0@carol3ceeaab4a><00ed01c7c32a$8afae650$0200a8c0@promerivale1><001a01c7c32d$1934bde0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <010301c7c32e$a50be2c0$0200a8c0@promerivale1> Message-ID: <46942E81.7050501@parchmentpress.net> And for those who really want a photoshop-like experience you should get ... http://www.gimpshop.com/ thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Parchment Press is a Cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes Communities - To learn more about our community and what we are all about - please feel free to email me off list or visit our website at : http://www.twelvetribes.com Steve Ciesemier wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > A free alternative to Photoshop. > Runs on Mac, Windows, Unix, etc. > > http://www.gimp.org/ > > Like anything new, it takes getting used to because (like any new > application) it works a little different than what you are used to. And > if you don't like it, I think they will give you twice back what you > paid for it! :-) > > Why pay for Adobe Photoshop when you can supply all your customers and > employees with the GIMP for free? I bet if people paid the GIMP folks > what they pay Adobe, it could flower into a killer app. > > Bring out the GIMP! > > Say, shouldn't someone have registered a website by now to act as a > clearing house and meeting place for the growing "Switch from Adobe" > movement? > > -Steve > > *********************************************************** > Steve Ciesemier > PagePath Technologies, Inc. > 13 East Main Street > Plano, IL 60545-1521 > > Phone & Fax: 630-689-4112 > mailto:SCiesemier@pagepath.com > http://www.pagepath.com > > MyOrderDesk - named Product of the Year by PrintImage International & > Best of Breed by Xerox > MyOrderDesk - Snag-Free print ready files, no matter the size. Eliminate > frustration, spend more time winning & keeping customers, improve your > profits. > *********************************************************** > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From kellycrom at gmail.com Tue Jul 10 23:30:16 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Tue Jul 10 23:30:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe alternative - GIMP In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0707101629i7d56fabdu72095e9bb6bf2a5b@mail.gmail.com> References: <02b201c7c31f$97c87dd0$6801a8c0@carol3ceeaab4a><00ed01c7c32a$8afae650$0200a8c0@promerivale1><001a01c7c32d$1934bde0$0300a8c0@DANIEL><010301c7c32e$a50be2c0$0200a8c0@promerivale1> <98f5b19a0707101629i7d56fabdu72095e9bb6bf2a5b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <045601c7c36b$cd4e0d70$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Michael, Quick! Get domains uploaded with a page or two. Right now godaddy's sponsored links are all adobe/acrobat 8 related! Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 6:30 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Adobe alternative - GIMP > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On 7/10/07, Steve Ciesemier wrote: > > > > Say, shouldn't someone have registered a website by now to act as a > > clearing house and meeting place for the growing "Switch from Adobe" > > movement? > > Good idea, Steve. > > I just registered > > www.SayNoToAdobe.com > and > www.WhoNeedsAdobe.com > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~ Lord Bacon > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From scott at usacolor.com Wed Jul 11 00:42:10 2007 From: scott at usacolor.com (scott balsiger) Date: Wed Jul 11 00:42:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe - they have done this before! In-Reply-To: References: <02b201c7c31f$97c87dd0$6801a8c0@carol3ceeaab4a><00ed01c7c32a$8afae650$0200a8c0@promerivale1><001a01c7c32d$1934bde0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <010301c7c32e$a50be2c0$0200a8c0@promerivale1> Message-ID: <46945FA2.20903@usacolor.com> I recently downloaded adobe album starter 3.2 (kinda of a nice little photo editor). As part of this program you can click "create" and your transported to Kodaks print shop - get a 12 month calendar for $19 - buy 25 and they go down to $14. Dont need calendars? They have greeting cards available also. Who needs you, the local copy or print shop when its so easy with this free software. -- Scott Balsiger President USA Color Printing Inc. 791 Manhomen Dr. Bemidji, MN. 56601 800-759-9126 218-759-2883(fax) From bherion at bucksdigital.com Wed Jul 11 07:38:45 2007 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Wed Jul 11 07:38:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] My F/K Adobe two cents In-Reply-To: <20070710223332.AC79197DAA7@rb.enter.net> References: <20070710223332.AC79197DAA7@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070711072109.02857350@bucksdigital.com> Does Microsoft Next Day Air deliver Saturdays? Seriously, the best thing they (Fedex and Adobe) could do about this is to BOTH stand up to the mic and apologize to ALL their customers for their short-sighted error in judgement. At the same time, releasing each other from obligations, shake hands and smile big for the cameras. This would gain them instant support across the globe. You couldn't put a value on that kind of PR. I've already had correspondence with Bruce on this (with real replies, not form letters). If you agree with my advice, feel free to send the same message - plagiarize me - to both Bruce (bchizen@adobe.com) and the newly formed email address they structured (printfeedback@adobe.com). Tell your friends to tell their friends. The message will get across. Regards, Bob At 06:33 PM 7/10/2007, you wrote: >Maybe we should all be wondering when the big announcement will come >introducing FedEx-Adobe. This recent debacle could be the foreshadowing of >things to come. What a perfect way to "ship existing customers to their >Kinko's operation". > > >Do ya think???? > >Steve Hitner Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Jul 11 09:17:17 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Jul 11 09:17:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] My F/K Adobe two cents Message-ID: In a message dated 7/11/2007 7:39:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bherion@bucksdigital.com writes: Seriously, the best thing they (Fedex and Adobe) could do about this is to BOTH stand up to the mic and apologize to ALL their customers for their short-sighted error in judgement. Bob, >From my perspective FedEx-Kinko's (FXK) isn't really part of the debate. They haven't done anything wrong. They apparently offered Adobe something in the seven figure range (I suspect $3-8 million) to add that single button directing traffic to an FXK site. They offered X,XXX,XXX dollars, and Adobe took a short-sighted look at the offer, apparently consulted no one about the advisability of the deal, and signed off on it! Then they compounded this classic corporate screw-up by lying about their motivations for doing the deal - really pretty simple, they did it for money! The only criticism I have of FXK is that they temporarily seem to have more money than brains at this point because if I was going to spend $3-8 million to improve my operations it wouldn't be with Adobe and it wouldn't be aimed at encouraging receipt of more jobs that somehow FXK could screw up and drive off more customers. Just my thoughts. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From randy at actionprintingokc.com Wed Jul 11 10:40:18 2007 From: randy at actionprintingokc.com (Randy McConnell) Date: Wed Jul 11 09:40:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] stock catalog envelope Message-ID: Does any one have a source for stock catalog envelopes that go with certain tax software? I am looking for a 9 ? x 12 window catalog envelope that goes with the program Ultra Tax by Creative Solutions. The envelope # is 80554. Thanks in advance for any help Randy Randy McConnell Action Printing 1429 W. Main Oklahoma City, Oklahoma 73106 405-235-5956 Fax 405-235-5961 randy@actionprintingokc.com www.actionprintingokc.com From owner at latsons.com Wed Jul 11 09:57:47 2007 From: owner at latsons.com (Dick Latson) Date: Wed Jul 11 09:58:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Indiana School Board Members In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200707111357.l6BDvs4s093681@pro35.abac.com> Robin, I am a past board member and called the head of our transportation dept. He is required to fill a pre-trip form out but it is just a 1 part form on 20lb. that he just makes on his copier. He has never heard or remember seeing anything that would be in the form of a manifold book. He came from a larger district (in Houston) and says they did it basically the same way there. -Dick At 03:29 PM 7/10/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Are any of you on this list currently or have served in the past on >your local school board? Maybe a relative or close friend of yours? >Robin Niewold Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: owner@latsons.com www.latsons.com From nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com Wed Jul 11 10:15:22 2007 From: nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com (Nancy) Date: Wed Jul 11 10:15:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cost per copy or per original References: <200707111357.l6BDvs4s093681@pro35.abac.com> Message-ID: <003901c7c3c5$ebc924b0$0600a8c0@Nancy> How do you charge for color copies?...or as we now prefer to say...Color Digital Printing Cost per total number of copies???? or Number of originals X number of copies per original??? (I am not going to bother to explain the difference as I am sure you all know what I mean. Please don't yell at me if I didn't word my question perfectly ) We have always charged the # or originals times the number of copies per original. 50 originals x 100 each (based on the selling price of 100 copies) not the 5000 price. I am noticing that the big box stores Office Depot etc. just have one price and based the price on the total copies, not on the copies per original. Should we be changing our method of pricing. Nancy Middleton The Printing Place, Inc. 5878 Cook Road, Suite F Milford, OH 45150 nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax 877/248-8774 Toll Free www.theprintingplaceinc.com we now have web hosting From info at desktopsxm.com Wed Jul 11 10:26:51 2007 From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint) Date: Wed Jul 11 10:20:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF file In-Reply-To: <003f01c7c22f$7ec52810$1e00000a@tech.local> References: <003f01c7c22f$7ec52810$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: I received a PDF file which is in 3 spot colors this week (from a so called designer) and apparently it was made into a PDF file through distiller. I am not sure what program it was originally created in but when I import it into Indesign and print it, a letter (which is in a heading with a green background) does not print out. The rest of the sentence and all the text prints perfectly. Any ideas of the reason for this and how to rectify? Joel Brint Desktop Imaging St. Maarten From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Jul 11 10:56:48 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Jul 11 10:56:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cost per copy or per original In-Reply-To: <003901c7c3c5$ebc924b0$0600a8c0@Nancy> References: <200707111357.l6BDvs4s093681@pro35.abac.com> <003901c7c3c5$ebc924b0$0600a8c0@Nancy> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707110756mef3a1b0pd75624e239ff8b69@mail.gmail.com> On 7/11/07, Nancy wrote: > > How do you charge for color copies?...or as we now prefer to say...Color > Digital Printing > Cost per total number of copies???? > or > Number of originals X number of copies per original??? Great question, Nancy. For years, I've been asking Ugur at Printers Plan to redesign the defacto standard copier price grid. I always felt the common grid was counterintuitive to the way we think about what the market price should be: the first thing I think most of us do when given the opportunity to quote on a large color (or b&w) copy job is to do the multiplication and get the total number of copies. Experience has taught us that this total number "tells" us the approximate price range these click are going to need to fall within. The total method makes sense in both market-based and in cost-plus pricing, as run length per original, not number of originals, is the major determinant in the labor requirement for making copies (short run lengths having higher per-click labor cost). Too, from a production standpoint, a when printing from a digital file, the number of pages may factor into up-front processing/proofing time, but is not a factor in runtime, and the scan-once-print-many nature of digital copiers minimizes the impact of the number of originals when printing from hard copy. And finally, with longer digital color runs having become cost-effective, the selling price of these runs has to be in line with those of offset. Selling at the market price for a run of 1000, say, we need only determine that the resulting per-click revenue is sufficient to generate a satisfactory profit margin, as opposed to pricing at click price that was pre-determined in a vacuum. So it makes perfect sense to me to price copier jobs based on either their total number of clicks where a large number of collated originals is involved, or on the individual run length when those originals are not being collated (as in 500 each of 5 different product sheets). -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com Wed Jul 11 11:18:39 2007 From: s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com (Sonya Hughes) Date: Wed Jul 11 11:21:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cost per copy or per original In-Reply-To: <003901c7c3c5$ebc924b0$0600a8c0@Nancy> References: <200707111357.l6BDvs4s093681@pro35.abac.com> <003901c7c3c5$ebc924b0$0600a8c0@Nancy> Message-ID: Nancy, we would charge the 500 copy price based on your example. The only time we charge differently is if the originals or copies need a lot of personal attention. We think this pricing helps keep our color copiers busier. Hope this helps, Sonya Legends Printing Dodge City, KS On Jul 11, 2007, at 9:15 AM, Nancy wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > How do you charge for color copies?...or as we now prefer to > say...Color Digital Printing > > Cost per total number of copies???? > > or > > Number of originals X number of copies per original??? > > (I am not going to bother to explain the difference as I am sure > you all know what I mean. Please don't yell at me if I didn't word > my question perfectly ) > > We have always charged the # or originals times the number of > copies per original. 50 originals x 100 each (based on the > selling price of 100 copies) not the 5000 price. I am noticing > that the big box stores Office Depot etc. just have one price and > based the price on the total copies, not on the copies per > original. Should we be changing our method of pricing. > > Nancy Middleton > The Printing Place, Inc. > 5878 Cook Road, Suite F > Milford, OH 45150 > nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com > Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax > 877/248-8774 Toll Free > www.theprintingplaceinc.com > we now have web hosting > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Wed Jul 11 11:32:00 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Wed Jul 11 11:33:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cost per copy or per original In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0707110756mef3a1b0pd75624e239ff8b69@mail.gmail.com> References: <200707111357.l6BDvs4s093681@pro35.abac.com><003901c7c3c5$ebc924b0$0600a8c0@Nancy> <98f5b19a0707110756mef3a1b0pd75624e239ff8b69@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Just to add to what Michael said, some of you that have been around longer than me (16 years) may remember that the copier companies (so I've been told) used to charge a higher click rate per original for the first several in a run. Back then it made more sense to charge per original because of that 2 tiered click charge. I've been total of copies for a couple years now. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:57 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Cost per copy or per original ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On 7/11/07, Nancy wrote: > > How do you charge for color copies?...or as we now prefer to > say...Color Digital Printing Cost per total number of copies???? > or > Number of originals X number of copies per original??? Great question, Nancy. For years, I've been asking Ugur at Printers Plan to redesign the defacto standard copier price grid. I always felt the common grid was counterintuitive to the way we think about what the market price should be: the first thing I think most of us do when given the opportunity to quote on a large color (or b&w) copy job is to do the multiplication and get the total number of copies. Experience has taught us that this total number "tells" us the approximate price range these click are going to need to fall within. The total method makes sense in both market-based and in cost-plus pricing, as run length per original, not number of originals, is the major determinant in the labor requirement for making copies (short run lengths having higher per-click labor cost). Too, from a production standpoint, a when printing from a digital file, the number of pages may factor into up-front processing/proofing time, but is not a factor in runtime, and the scan-once-print-many nature of digital copiers minimizes the impact of the number of originals when printing from hard copy. And finally, with longer digital color runs having become cost-effective, the selling price of these runs has to be in line with those of offset. Selling at the market price for a run of 1000, say, we need only determine that the resulting per-click revenue is sufficient to generate a satisfactory profit margin, as opposed to pricing at click price that was pre-determined in a vacuum. So it makes perfect sense to me to price copier jobs based on either their total number of clicks where a large number of collated originals is involved, or on the individual run length when those originals are not being collated (as in 500 each of 5 different product sheets). -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.186) Database version: 5.07700 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.186) Database version: 5.07700 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From sos at olympus.net Wed Jul 11 11:49:23 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed Jul 11 11:49:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF file References: <003f01c7c22f$7ec52810$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: <006a01c7c3d3$0d7362d0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Brint" > I received a PDF file which is in 3 spot colors this week (from a so > called designer) and apparently it was made into a PDF file through > distiller. > I am not sure what program it was originally created in but when I import > it into Indesign and print it, a letter (which is in a heading with a > green background) does not print out. > > The rest of the sentence and all the text prints perfectly. =================== Have you tried printing directly from Acrobat? You're not printing separations are you? It's possible that color heading was on a separate layer, and that layer is not active. If all else fails, open it in Photoshop save as a tiff, place and print. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From info at desktopsxm.com Wed Jul 11 12:01:03 2007 From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint) Date: Wed Jul 11 11:55:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] PDF file In-Reply-To: <006a01c7c3d3$0d7362d0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <003f01c7c22f$7ec52810$1e00000a@tech.local> <006a01c7c3d3$0d7362d0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: I have printed it in Acrobat as well and the same happens. The background heading must be active because the background color does appear. Joel Brint Desktop Imaging St. Maarten On Jul 11, 2007, at 11:49 AM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Brint" > >> I received a PDF file which is in 3 spot colors this week (from a >> so called designer) and apparently it was made into a PDF file >> through distiller. >> I am not sure what program it was originally created in but when >> I import it into Indesign and print it, a letter (which is in a >> heading with a green background) does not print out. >> >> The rest of the sentence and all the text prints perfectly. > =================== > > Have you tried printing directly from Acrobat? You're not printing > separations are you? It's possible that color heading was on a > separate layer, and that layer is not active. If all else fails, > open it in Photoshop save as a tiff, place and print. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From kevin at proprinters.ca Wed Jul 11 11:56:47 2007 From: kevin at proprinters.ca (Kevin Kerr at PRO Printers) Date: Wed Jul 11 11:56:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cost per copy or per original References: <200707111357.l6BDvs4s093681@pro35.abac.com><003901c7c3c5$ebc924b0$0600a8c0@Nancy><98f5b19a0707110756mef3a1b0pd75624e239ff8b69@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001901c7c3d4$164a7550$0200a8c0@promerivale1> We use total number of copies except when there may be some hand feeding or similar that might slow down the job. Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca > -----Original Message----- > > On 7/11/07, Nancy wrote: >> >> How do you charge for color copies?...or as we now prefer to >> say...Color Digital Printing Cost per total number of copies???? >> or >> Number of originals X number of copies per original??? From robin at protypeonline.com Wed Jul 11 12:01:52 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed Jul 11 12:01:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Indiana School Board Members Message-ID: <4ADCDAE1-123F-4281-9195-6B808CD756D8@protypeonline.com> Thanks Dick, that is the same thing I found out yesterday when I called a district in or close to Indianapolis. The woman said she thought our books might save them some time -- she was intrigued and asked me to send her a sample which I did. But, I don't have time to call all schools in Indiana -- wondering today how to market new concept to Indiana schools???? Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From swiftyprinting at mac.com Wed Jul 11 12:25:56 2007 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Wed Jul 11 12:26:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cost per copy or per original In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0707110756mef3a1b0pd75624e239ff8b69@mail.gmail.com> References: <200707111357.l6BDvs4s093681@pro35.abac.com> <003901c7c3c5$ebc924b0$0600a8c0@Nancy> <98f5b19a0707110756mef3a1b0pd75624e239ff8b69@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4054246D-3904-42A7-81A4-27184CB2DA13@mac.com> On Jul 11, 2007, at 10:56 AM, Michael Vogel wrote: >> How do you charge for color copies?...or as we now prefer to >> say...Color >> Digital Printing >> Cost per total number of copies???? >> or >> Number of originals X number of copies per original??? Yes to all of the above. First as a Preface, we always try to get to know what the job is first. We run a single grid pricing based on 1 original and a total number of prints. Then we have a price grid based on number of originals times number of copies. We use this for jobs like manuals, powerpoint presentations and jobs which require finishing. Then we run a price grid which is more design to give us pricing based on the total job and value based similar to printing. With these three structures we can get a price which more reflects a value to a job than just a price based on costs and quantities. Think about it in the same way as defining a press. You define different presses based on the type or difficulty of the work. One price structure does not fit all the needs. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com From TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com Wed Jul 11 12:52:08 2007 From: TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com (Tom King) Date: Wed Jul 11 12:52:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 4110 vs Nuvera? Or something else? Message-ID: <004f01c7c3db$d1cebeb0$6600a8c0@Tom> The lease on my antique DocuTech 135 expires next month, so I'm investigating alternatives. The Xerox sales guy wants me to replace it with a Nuvera 100 or Nuvera 120, but he also says the Xerox 4110 would be a cheaper, but not as good, alternative. The problem is, I know nothing about the 4110. Anyone have one? Comments? Any other advice? We do about 350,000 copies a month. Should I be looking at an even "smaller/cheaper" machine than either of those? Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Jul 11 12:53:56 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Jul 11 12:54:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Cost per copy or per original In-Reply-To: <4054246D-3904-42A7-81A4-27184CB2DA13@mac.com> References: <200707111357.l6BDvs4s093681@pro35.abac.com> <003901c7c3c5$ebc924b0$0600a8c0@Nancy> <98f5b19a0707110756mef3a1b0pd75624e239ff8b69@mail.gmail.com> <4054246D-3904-42A7-81A4-27184CB2DA13@mac.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707110953k71c29d2t905a8e6e23edead6@mail.gmail.com> On 7/11/07, Chuck wrote: > > On Jul 11, 2007, at 10:56 AM, Michael Vogel wrote: > > >> How do you charge for color copies?...or as we now prefer to Clarification: the questions were not mine, but Nancy's. My method pretty much mirrors Chuck's. I emphatically agree with Chuck's statement that "One price structure does not fit all the needs." And I'll add that unless that flexibility is built into yor pricing procedure -- and yes, it *does* require some thought on the part of the CSR doing the pricing -- you'll be leaving money on the table while losing other jobs that could have been profitable. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From swiftyprinting at mac.com Wed Jul 11 13:22:20 2007 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Wed Jul 11 13:22:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 4110 vs Nuvera? Or something else? In-Reply-To: <004f01c7c3db$d1cebeb0$6600a8c0@Tom> References: <004f01c7c3db$d1cebeb0$6600a8c0@Tom> Message-ID: On Jul 11, 2007, at 12:52 PM, Tom King wrote: > The Xerox sales guy wants me to replace it with a Nuvera 100 or > Nuvera 120, > but he also says the Xerox 4110 would be a cheaper, but not as good, > alternative. The quickest answer: The Nuvera 120/144 is a production machine and the 4110 is an office machine. Do not get an older version of the Nuvera. The new technology (replaces the jump technology) is more stable. The 4110 is a cheap alternative, but it does not have a registration board (physical, mechanical or electronic). It has a tight paper path which can result in cardstock problems. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com From kevin at proprinters.ca Wed Jul 11 13:29:13 2007 From: kevin at proprinters.ca (Kevin Kerr at PRO Printers) Date: Wed Jul 11 13:29:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 4110 vs Nuvera? Or something else? References: <004f01c7c3db$d1cebeb0$6600a8c0@Tom> Message-ID: <001b01c7c3e1$00136f00$0200a8c0@promerivale1> We have two Xerox 4110s and are very pleased with them. Xerox pushed the Nuvera at us but we choose the 4110s for two reasons: 1) We were able to buy two 4110s for not a whole pile more than one Nuvera - this gives us more flexibility and a bit of a redundancy factor. Having a 3-hole punch capability on the Nuvera was going to be an expensive proposition too. 2) The print quality on the 4110 is not as good as the Nuvera, but very close and better than most. We do anywhere from 250,000 to 600,000 per month total on the 4110s. We did 900,000 one month with no real issues. Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom King" To: "Print Owners" Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:52 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 4110 vs Nuvera? Or something else? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > The lease on my antique DocuTech 135 expires next month, so I'm > investigating alternatives. > > > > The Xerox sales guy wants me to replace it with a Nuvera 100 or Nuvera > 120, > but he also says the Xerox 4110 would be a cheaper, but not as good, > alternative. > > > > The problem is, I know nothing about the 4110. Anyone have one? Comments? > Any other advice? > > > > We do about 350,000 copies a month. Should I be looking at an even > "smaller/cheaper" machine than either of those? > > Tom King > King Printing > 1305 W. College Ave. > State College, PA 16801 > Phone: 814-238-2536 > Fax: 814-237-5238 > Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From John at mpcny.com Wed Jul 11 13:29:54 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Wed Jul 11 13:29:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] People go to jail for the sort of thing that EFI did ... Message-ID: <000001c7c3e1$18914520$49b3cf60$@com> http://members.whattheythink.com/news/newslink.cfm?id=27793 I wish I could make stuff up this good... It all falls back on the culture of greed, I am glad that PS with their new update addressed Many of the short comings. I am very concerned that costs will rise soon, PS soon will not be affordable for smaller users to keep updated. www.cmu-fraud.com/smoking.htm Why should I care about EFI doing this and what it means to me? In a nutshell what the leaders of EFI did was steal money and resources that belonged to shareholders and users of it products. These millionaires were not satisfied with their million dollar salaries or the generous legal stock options they held. What they did, for years to the day they got caught, was to back date and "pick" the lowest $ value amount the stock traded to "buy" (awarded to themselves). This way over inflating their pay. This is from pure greed nothing else! It is illegal, unethical and they could not care. EFI's answer to this is we got caught; we will pay back ONLY the difference and really promise to never cheat again... BS Getch and anyone who knowing benefited should be FIRED. All this money could have been used in improved R & D, customer support or even non executive pay. Hell they could have lowered our costs - fat chance. When you have a culture of greed and entitlement this is what you get. Anyone who cannot see this has blinders on. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for First, Second and Standard Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/894 - Release Date: 7/10/2007 5:44 PM From pressexpress at bfm.org Wed Jul 11 14:05:04 2007 From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Wed Jul 11 14:05:29 2007 Subject: {Spam?} Re: [PrintOwners] People go to jail for the sort of thing that EFI did ... In-Reply-To: <000001c7c3e1$18914520$49b3cf60$@com> References: <000001c7c3e1$18914520$49b3cf60$@com> Message-ID: I am having a hard time already making my $800 yearly fee. Uugg. G On Jul 11, 2007, at 12:29 PM, John Henry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > http://members.whattheythink.com/news/newslink.cfm?id=27793 > > I wish I could make stuff up this good... > It all falls back on the culture of greed, I am glad that PS with > their new > update addressed > Many of the short comings. I am very concerned that costs will rise > soon, PS soon will not be affordable for smaller users to keep > updated. > > www.cmu-fraud.com/smoking.htm > > > Why should I care about EFI doing this and what it means to me? In a > nutshell what the leaders of EFI did was steal money and resources > that > belonged to shareholders and users of it products. These > millionaires were > not satisfied with their million dollar salaries or the generous > legal stock > options they held. > > What they did, for years to the day they got caught, was to back > date and > "pick" the lowest $ value amount the stock traded to "buy" (awarded to > themselves). This way over inflating their pay. > > This is from pure greed nothing else! It is illegal, unethical and > they > could not care. EFI's answer to this is we got caught; we will pay > back ONLY > the difference and really promise to never cheat again... BS Getch and > anyone who knowing benefited should be FIRED. > > All this money could have been used in improved R & D, customer > support or > even non executive pay. Hell they could have lowered our costs - > fat chance. > > When you have a culture of greed and entitlement this is what you get. > Anyone who cannot see this has blinders on. > > > > John M. Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company > 125-129 East First Street > Oswego, New York 13126 > (315) 343-3531 > (315) 343-3577 Fax > www.mpcny.com > John@mpcny.com > We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider > Microsoft Publisher Service Provider > We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for First, > Second and > Standard > Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to > mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!! > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/894 - Release Date: > 7/10/2007 > 5:44 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Wed Jul 11 14:10:46 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Wed Jul 11 14:11:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Migration software question Message-ID: Hello, we are swapping out all our old PC's for new ones. I've seen migration software which claims to move all software, serial numbers, settings, print drivers, etc from the old PC's to the new ones. Have you done this before? Any problems? Does it erase the old PC or just copy from it? Thanks in advance..... Larry Desert Pacific Tucson From sos at olympus.net Wed Jul 11 14:14:27 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed Jul 11 14:14:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 4110 vs Nuvera? Or something else? References: <004f01c7c3db$d1cebeb0$6600a8c0@Tom> Message-ID: <008e01c7c3e7$52899b00$0300a8c0@DANIEL> > The problem is, I know nothing about the 4110. Anyone have one? Comments? > Any other advice? =============================== We have a 4110 and do 200,000 - 250,000 per month. It has been handling that volume easily enough. Good quality images, pretty good stock handling, we don't print a whole lot of cover weight on it though but we do run 80 lb. uncoated cover through it duplex and that's pretty stiff. We don't run much gloss coated through it either so I won't comment on that. We use the three hole punch quite a bit, it works great. We don't have the folder booklet maker. After a Docutech it may seem wimpy but it's the biggest fastest baddest copier I've ever had. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Wed Jul 11 15:01:54 2007 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Wed Jul 11 15:02:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Indiana School Board Members In-Reply-To: <4ADCDAE1-123F-4281-9195-6B808CD756D8@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: Robin: A PURL campaign would do the trick. The cost might be around $2000 plus postage for the postcards. It would generate solid leads for you. The software will gather all the leads/names for you. We're still a month or two away from rolling this service out, but Bob Lehman could help you. Google Weatherall Printing in Tupelo and you should find him. Bob is a great guy, and he has a great PURL team. I wouldn't be surprised if you got a 5% response or better if the product is that useful to them. Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:02 AM To: printowners printowners Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Indiana School Board Members ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Thanks Dick, that is the same thing I found out yesterday when I called a district in or close to Indianapolis. The woman said she thought our books might save them some time -- she was intrigued and asked me to send her a sample which I did. But, I don't have time to call all schools in Indiana -- wondering today how to market new concept to Indiana schools???? Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/894 - Release Date: 7/10/2007 5:44 PM From slb at inkspot.net Wed Jul 11 15:10:28 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Jul 11 15:10:35 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Banding -- now Gray Level help In-Reply-To: References: <004f01c7c3db$d1cebeb0$6600a8c0@Tom> Message-ID: <4694F2E4.22611.1A79831A@slb.inkspot.net> We've got the banding problem narrowed down-- the rip is PS3, which means it can handle 4096 levels of gray. So far, though, all it's done is smoothed the transitions between the bands--we still have 3/8" wide bands, but the transitions aren't abrupt. Our problem is the data going to the rip, not what the rip is doing with it. Indesign is only using 256 levels of gray, and the rip can't add data it doesn't get. How do we tell Indesign to use more gray levels? Or, alternatively, how do we tell Illustrator to use 4096 gray levels (if we create the blend in Illustrator, and place it in Indesign). Or, do we need to do this in Photoshop? What we need is a smooth blend from 10% to 0%, across the width of the 8.5x11 page (8.75x11.25 with the bleeds). In other words, it should be 10% at the left edge of the page, with a linear fade to nothing across to the right edge of the page. It's only a one-color blend (cyan plate), so we only need to get it right once . Any sage advice? (other than a different career ) TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From kellycrom at gmail.com Wed Jul 11 15:23:45 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Wed Jul 11 15:23:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Migration software question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006f01c7c3f1$003a64b0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> I have done this quite a few times over the years. I used to use a program called AlohaBob PC Relocator, but then Microsoft bought their program and used the code for their transfer files and settings wizard in XP. Unfortunately, that feature in XP does not transfer all your applications. Now, I've been using Transfer Your PC Deluxe(nova development, see http://www.novadevelopment.com/products/us/tzw/default.aspx). It transfers all of your files, settings(printers, desktop, etc), and any software that is compatible with the OS on your new PC. The only thing that annoys me about these programs is that you can only use them for one transfer, after that, you need to buy another license to use it for another migration. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of larry > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 1:11 PM > To: Printowners > Subject: [PrintOwners] Migration software question > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello, we are swapping out all our old PC's for new ones. > > I've seen migration software which claims to move all > software, serial numbers, settings, print drivers, etc from > the old PC's to the new ones. > > Have you done this before? Any problems? Does it erase the > old PC or just copy from it? > > > Thanks in advance..... > > Larry > Desert Pacific > Tucson > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From robin at protypeonline.com Wed Jul 11 15:25:40 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed Jul 11 15:25:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Customer Appreciation Message-ID: We are swamped right now and I just remembered I need to get invitations out (just one customer) for an "After Hours" we are hosting for them on August 7. Appetizers and drinks, 4:30-6:30pm, at an upscale "cafe" located near their office. HELP -- do any of you have an invitation design, artwork that you would allow me to borrow? Humorous? Serious? Too big of a hurry to be too picky! Of course, if I use your work, you will receive an invitation to join us and eat and drink all you want. :)) Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com Wed Jul 11 15:28:01 2007 From: richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com (Richard Moffat) Date: Wed Jul 11 15:28:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 4110 vs Nuvera? Or something else? In-Reply-To: <004f01c7c3db$d1cebeb0$6600a8c0@Tom> Message-ID: Tom, Look into the Konica bihub PRO 1050, comparable to the Nuvera (I believe better) and a lot cheaper, way cheaper. They have the best Booklet maker I have seen of all copiers, it can make a 200 page booklet. I was told that by September they will have a hole-punch unit with interchangable dies. I do not have it, but is at the top of my list for next purchase. Richard Moffat Sir Speedy 244 S.W. 6th Street Miami, Florida 33130 (305) 285-1401 Tel (305) 285-1402 Fax richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com www.sirspeedy-brickell.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Tom King Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:52 PM To: Print Owners Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 4110 vs Nuvera? Or something else? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** The lease on my antique DocuTech 135 expires next month, so I'm investigating alternatives. The Xerox sales guy wants me to replace it with a Nuvera 100 or Nuvera 120, but he also says the Xerox 4110 would be a cheaper, but not as good, alternative. The problem is, I know nothing about the 4110. Anyone have one? Comments? Any other advice? We do about 350,000 copies a month. Should I be looking at an even "smaller/cheaper" machine than either of those? Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Wed Jul 11 16:03:52 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Wed Jul 11 16:06:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Migration software question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I used a program called Aloha Bob and it generally works well. I have an accounting program that it caused problems with and I seem to remember a problem with antivirus software but, and this was 2 years ago, it was OK other than that. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of larry Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 1:11 PM To: Printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Migration software question ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hello, we are swapping out all our old PC's for new ones. I've seen migration software which claims to move all software, serial numbers, settings, print drivers, etc from the old PC's to the new ones. Have you done this before? Any problems? Does it erase the old PC or just copy from it? Thanks in advance..... Larry Desert Pacific Tucson _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.186) Database version: 5.07700 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.186) Database version: 5.07700 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From slb at inkspot.net Wed Jul 11 16:07:59 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Jul 11 16:08:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lino 530 dust problem In-Reply-To: References: <004f01c7c3db$d1cebeb0$6600a8c0@Tom> Message-ID: <4695005F.9850.1AAE29F9@slb.inkspot.net> Anybody know how to open (and what not to open) a Lino 530 to clean out the dust? We just changed the film, and we're getting lots of dust spots, so something probably needs cleaning, but I don't want to screw it up worse... TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From robin at protypeonline.com Wed Jul 11 16:14:55 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed Jul 11 16:14:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Indiana School Board Members Message-ID: <5D1FEE93-F276-4252-AD4A-887BB7925785@protypeonline.com> Bernie, I've heard of PURL's but don't really understand them completely....can you give me a few details to tell me what exactly and how I would do this? A PURL "campaign" ? I've met Bob Lehman in Chicago and he is a very nice guy...knowledgeable also! Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com Wed Jul 11 16:13:57 2007 From: s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com (Sonya Hughes) Date: Wed Jul 11 16:16:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Stitcher In-Reply-To: <4695005F.9850.1AAE29F9@slb.inkspot.net> References: <004f01c7c3db$d1cebeb0$6600a8c0@Tom> <4695005F.9850.1AAE29F9@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <2390B378-A51F-4F55-BAEF-243B8FB2EB88@legendsofdodgecity.com> We have an old Champion single-head stitcher that is starting to cause us too many problems. Does anyone have any suggestions on a replacement? We're not a high volume user on this type of equipment, but we can't live without it! I would appreciate any advice/ suggestions offered. TIA, Sonya Hughes Legends Printing Dodge City From bherion at bucksdigital.com Wed Jul 11 16:17:25 2007 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Wed Jul 11 16:17:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:My F/K Adobe two cents In-Reply-To: <20070711131733.B5ED59810FA@rb.enter.net> References: <20070711131733.B5ED59810FA@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070711160128.02894690@bucksdigital.com> At 09:17 AM 7/11/2007, you wrote: > From my perspective FedEx-Kinko's (FXK) isn't really part of the debate. >They haven't done anything wrong. They apparently offered Adobe >something in the >seven figure range (I suspect $3-8 million) to add that single button >directing traffic to an FXK site.... >John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. You're correct in all your statements, John. Which is what would make my advice a bigger hit for Fedex. They become super good guys AND get their money back! Couldn't be sweeter. Imagine how much it would cost to get world wide press to acknowledge your good deed. If I were Fedex, I certainly would go down that street. The alternative is Adobe's spin of "Fedex won't let us out of our obligation". AND, as you pointed out, a waste of their investment for so many reasons. I think that brings me to four cents. Bob Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From mike at arborprinting.com Wed Jul 11 16:31:32 2007 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Wed Jul 11 16:32:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:My F/K Adobe two cents References: <20070711131733.B5ED59810FA@rb.enter.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20070711160128.02894690@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <011601c7c3fa$78845fd0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Assuming Adobe got $5,000,000, that is only 8,333 Adobe service providers at an average of $600.00 ea. I wonder how many ASPs there really are? Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc. www.arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Herion" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:17 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:My F/K Adobe two cents > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > At 09:17 AM 7/11/2007, you wrote: >> From my perspective FedEx-Kinko's (FXK) isn't really part of the debate. >>They haven't done anything wrong. They apparently offered Adobe something >>in the >>seven figure range (I suspect $3-8 million) to add that single button >>directing traffic to an FXK site.... >>John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > > You're correct in all your statements, John. > Which is what would make my advice a bigger hit for Fedex. They become > super good guys AND get their money back! > Couldn't be sweeter. Imagine how much it would cost to get world wide > press to acknowledge your good deed. > If I were Fedex, I certainly would go down that street. The alternative is > Adobe's spin of "Fedex won't let us out of our obligation". AND, as you > pointed out, a waste of their investment for so many reasons. > > I think that brings me to four cents. > Bob > > > Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's > Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 > 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 > www.bucksdigital.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From ron at printingconcepts.com Wed Jul 11 17:16:10 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Wed Jul 11 17:11:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Stitcher In-Reply-To: <2390B378-A51F-4F55-BAEF-243B8FB2EB88@legendsofdodgecity.com> Message-ID: Replace the stitcher head with a Hohner head. A lot of the older heads on the market required rebuilding on a pretty regular basis. We put millions of stitches on our Hohner heads before they need any repairs. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Sonya Hughes Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 4:14 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Stitcher ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have an old Champion single-head stitcher that is starting to cause us too many problems. Does anyone have any suggestions on a replacement? We're not a high volume user on this type of equipment, but we can't live without it! I would appreciate any advice/ suggestions offered. TIA, Sonya Hughes Legends Printing Dodge City _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Wed Jul 11 17:21:40 2007 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Wed Jul 11 17:21:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Indiana School Board Members In-Reply-To: <5D1FEE93-F276-4252-AD4A-887BB7925785@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: First, I'm no expert on PURLs. Go to the Mindfireinc.com site and they have good info there. Mindfire sells the PURL campaign technology. Brief summary: Each of your prospects get a postcard inviting the recipient to visit their unique URL (example - www.schoolpads.com/RobinNiebold ) to learn a little bit about your exciting new product and to answer a few questions. You'll probably want to provide some sort of free gift or grand prize drawing as an incentive. They log on to the site and see a Welcome Page that shows a picture of the product and a little information. A Survey Page would follow with typically 3-7 questions, usually multiple choice. Lastly, a Thank You page appears that usually asks them to confirm your database information about them is correct. They change whatever is wrong. An email would typically follow confirming their site visit and eligibility for the gift (You can ask for information such as email addresses if you don't have them.) All the information that is collected is available in real-time from the Mindfire servers. You'll know everyone who visited the site and are able to collect favorable responses to your survey and follow-up. All results are easily measured. It's more involved than this, but maybe this gives you a rough idea. Bob could help you NOW if you were interested. His team understands this stuff and would work with your budget. I know I'm excited about promoting our services through these types of campaigns once we get a little more time. Part of the appeal is multi-media; web, email, and print. Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:15 PM To: printowners printowners Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Indiana School Board Members ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Bernie, I've heard of PURL's but don't really understand them completely....can you give me a few details to tell me what exactly and how I would do this? A PURL "campaign" ? I've met Bob Lehman in Chicago and he is a very nice guy...knowledgeable also! Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/894 - Release Date: 7/10/2007 5:44 PM From DanF at MMSNY.com Wed Jul 11 17:35:01 2007 From: DanF at MMSNY.com (Dan Flatt) Date: Wed Jul 11 17:32:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Banding -- now Gray Level help Message-ID: Steve, I might be late to this discussion but we have had issues here in the past when our press was not printing the dots correctly and when dot gain was more than anticipated. Have you run a linear test lately on the press and adjusted for dot gain? Just a thought. You realy shouldn't even see a banding issue with 256 shades if the press is linearized. My two cents. Daniel Flatt, M.B.A Syracuse University vice president and co-owner Multi Media Services / Sunset Printers Cell 607-331-7217 PLEASE TRY TO CONTACT ME ON MY CELL BEFORE CALLING THE OFFICE Fax 1-877-684-3043 Office 1-607-936-3186 www.mmsny.com "You don't make decisions because they are easy. You don't make decisions because they are cheap. You don't make decisions because they are popular. You make decisions because they are right." Theodore Hessburgh president emeritus of the University of Notre Dame 1953-1987 Other employees cell phone numbers: Rick Bartholomew (President and co-owner) 607-769-8111 Patty Carlson (On-demand leader) 607-331-5314 Suzie Bartholomew (IR account manager) 607-331-7068 Ralph Begeal (Special account rep) 607-331-5572 Emily Coletta (Prepress / design) 607-331-7708 David Jackson (Finance manager /CSR) 607-331-5422 Rose Flatt (Prepress / design) 607-331-1555 Dick Shelford (Sunset operations) 607-331-5775 Judy Pruyne (Prepress / design) 607-331-5963 Dave Satterly (IR Athens in-plant) 607-331-6025 Margaret Puffer (Mailing services / On demand) 607-936-3186 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Steve Blatman Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:10 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Banding -- now Gray Level help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We've got the banding problem narrowed down-- the rip is PS3, which means it can handle 4096 levels of gray. So far, though, all it's done is smoothed the transitions between the bands--we still have 3/8" wide bands, but the transitions aren't abrupt. Our problem is the data going to the rip, not what the rip is doing with it. Indesign is only using 256 levels of gray, and the rip can't add data it doesn't get. How do we tell Indesign to use more gray levels? Or, alternatively, how do we tell Illustrator to use 4096 gray levels (if we create the blend in Illustrator, and place it in Indesign). Or, do we need to do this in Photoshop? What we need is a smooth blend from 10% to 0%, across the width of the 8.5x11 page (8.75x11.25 with the bleeds). In other words, it should be 10% at the left edge of the page, with a linear fade to nothing across to the right edge of the page. It's only a one-color blend (cyan plate), so we only need to get it right once . Any sage advice? (other than a different career ) TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From DanF at MMSNY.com Wed Jul 11 17:40:52 2007 From: DanF at MMSNY.com (Dan Flatt) Date: Wed Jul 11 17:38:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 4110 vs Nuvera? Or something else? Message-ID: I will confirm the Konica Bizhubpro 1050 as an excelent machine. We have three of these (one with bookletmaker, one with folder and one with large capacity stacker) with all of the paperdecks (WHICH ARE AWESOME! they feed 100# dull coat stock all day sometimes.). We print mostly 11x17, A3 and 12x18 and we run around 500,000 clicks per month (single click 11x17). They don't go down often and the toner system works great. The air assist on the feeders is great two. They are now 2 years old and still running great! Daniel Flatt, M.B.A Syracuse University vice president and co-owner Multi Media Services / Sunset Printers Cell 607-331-7217 PLEASE TRY TO CONTACT ME ON MY CELL BEFORE CALLING THE OFFICE Fax 1-877-684-3043 Office 1-607-936-3186 www.mmsny.com "You don't make decisions because they are easy. You don't make decisions because they are cheap. You don't make decisions because they are popular. You make decisions because they are right." Theodore Hessburgh president emeritus of the University of Notre Dame 1953-1987 Other employees cell phone numbers: Rick Bartholomew (President and co-owner) 607-769-8111 Patty Carlson (On-demand leader) 607-331-5314 Suzie Bartholomew (IR account manager) 607-331-7068 Ralph Begeal (Special account rep) 607-331-5572 Emily Coletta (Prepress / design) 607-331-7708 David Jackson (Finance manager /CSR) 607-331-5422 Rose Flatt (Prepress / design) 607-331-1555 Dick Shelford (Sunset operations) 607-331-5775 Judy Pruyne (Prepress / design) 607-331-5963 Dave Satterly (IR Athens in-plant) 607-331-6025 Margaret Puffer (Mailing services / On demand) 607-936-3186 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Richard Moffat Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:28 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Xerox 4110 vs Nuvera? Or something else? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Tom, Look into the Konica bihub PRO 1050, comparable to the Nuvera (I believe better) and a lot cheaper, way cheaper. They have the best Booklet maker I have seen of all copiers, it can make a 200 page booklet. I was told that by September they will have a hole-punch unit with interchangable dies. I do not have it, but is at the top of my list for next purchase. Richard Moffat Sir Speedy 244 S.W. 6th Street Miami, Florida 33130 (305) 285-1401 Tel (305) 285-1402 Fax richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com www.sirspeedy-brickell.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Tom King Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:52 PM To: Print Owners Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox 4110 vs Nuvera? Or something else? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** The lease on my antique DocuTech 135 expires next month, so I'm investigating alternatives. The Xerox sales guy wants me to replace it with a Nuvera 100 or Nuvera 120, but he also says the Xerox 4110 would be a cheaper, but not as good, alternative. The problem is, I know nothing about the 4110. Anyone have one? Comments? Any other advice? We do about 350,000 copies a month. Should I be looking at an even "smaller/cheaper" machine than either of those? Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From michael at wolfiesprint.com Wed Jul 11 19:21:26 2007 From: michael at wolfiesprint.com (Michael Wolf) Date: Wed Jul 11 19:21:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Migration software question In-Reply-To: <006f01c7c3f1$003a64b0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: What about a program called GHOST?? I Think it is from Symantec - I want to "IMAGE" my servers and systems components on all my computers - and was recommended to look at 'GHOST' Any comments? please Michael Wolf THE WOLF PRINTING CO 714-491-0500 michael@wolfiesprint.com Print, Document Imaging, Mailing, Posters, Stamps & Creative Ideas! -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:24 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Migration software question ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have done this quite a few times over the years. I used to use a program called AlohaBob PC Relocator, but then Microsoft bought their program and used the code for their transfer files and settings wizard in XP. Unfortunately, that feature in XP does not transfer all your applications. Now, I've been using Transfer Your PC Deluxe(nova development, see http://www.novadevelopment.com/products/us/tzw/default.aspx). It transfers all of your files, settings(printers, desktop, etc), and any software that is compatible with the OS on your new PC. The only thing that annoys me about these programs is that you can only use them for one transfer, after that, you need to buy another license to use it for another migration. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of larry > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 1:11 PM > To: Printowners > Subject: [PrintOwners] Migration software question > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello, we are swapping out all our old PC's for new ones. > > I've seen migration software which claims to move all software, serial > numbers, settings, print drivers, etc from the old PC's to the new > ones. > > Have you done this before? Any problems? Does it erase the old PC or > just copy from it? > > > Thanks in advance..... > > Larry > Desert Pacific > Tucson > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2394 (20070711) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From scott at usacolor.com Wed Jul 11 19:40:31 2007 From: scott at usacolor.com (scott) Date: Wed Jul 11 19:40:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lino 530 dust problem In-Reply-To: <4695005F.9850.1AAE29F9@slb.inkspot.net> References: <004f01c7c3db$d1cebeb0$6600a8c0@Tom> <4695005F.9850.1AAE29F9@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <46956A6F.2030404@usacolor.com> Steve I had a 530 for 10 years - we just took off all the top roller assy(pretty heavy), by disconnecting 2 wire connectors and the brackets that lock in the OLP if you have one. Take off the 1" x 20" slitted cover(about 6 tiny screws) and clean the 2 mirrors with a light cloth. At first we approached this as if we were performing open heart surgery....but after repeated cleanings we could do this in 15 minutes flat. Scott Balsiger, President USA Color Printing Inc. www.usacolor.com 791 Manhomen Dr. Bemidji, MN 56601 800-759-9126 218-759-9126 218-759-2883(fax) 218-556-5505(cell) Steve Blatman wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Anybody know how to open (and what not to open) a Lino 530 to clean >out the dust? We just changed the film, and we're getting lots of >dust spots, so something probably needs cleaning, but I don't want to >screw it up worse... > >TIA, >Steve > >Steve Blatman >Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. >14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA >Tel: 610-647-0776 >Fax: 610-647-4560 > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Wed Jul 11 19:46:03 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (Larry Taylor) Date: Wed Jul 11 19:46:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Allegra vs Fed Ex Message-ID: An Allegra owner tells me that their parent company is either suing FeEx or planning to. Or, maybe it was Adobe they are going after. Can anyone else confirm this? Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing.com Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Jul 11 19:52:43 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Jul 11 19:52:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Allegra vs Fed Ex In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707111652s1c101209pb88f04d59cdf5dd2@mail.gmail.com> On 7/11/07, Larry Taylor wrote: > > An Allegra owner tells me that their parent company is either suing FeEx or > planning to. Or, maybe it was Adobe they are going after. > > Can anyone else confirm this? I might be able to shed some light on this tomorrow. I *have* learned that Sir Speedy (FSI), Allegra and, I believe, AlphaGraphics are, in fact, pursuing the situation aggressively. (Hmmm. No mention of MinuteMan, who has always marched to a different drummer.) -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From dennisdater at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 11 20:01:39 2007 From: dennisdater at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Dater) Date: Wed Jul 11 20:02:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Allegra vs Fed Ex In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070712000201.8D415984B65@rb.enter.net> Hi, As far as I have heard the President of Allegra, Carl Gerhardt, will be meeting with Adobe on July 17 in San Francisco. He will be attending with other franchise and trade organization presidents. Dennis Dater Allegra Print & Imaging 8037 Vickers Street San Diego, CA 92111 858-576-0100 or 619-696-6290 www.allegrasandiego.com dennisdater@sbcglobal.net -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Larry Taylor Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 4:46 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Allegra vs Fed Ex ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** An Allegra owner tells me that their parent company is either suing FeEx or planning to. Or, maybe it was Adobe they are going after. Can anyone else confirm this? Larry Taylor Desert Pacific Printing.com Tucson, AZ 520-745-8004 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/894 - Release Date: 7/10/2007 5:44 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/894 - Release Date: 7/10/2007 5:44 PM From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Jul 11 21:35:54 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Jul 11 21:35:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Allegra vs Fed Ex In-Reply-To: <20070712000201.8D415984B65@rb.enter.net> References: <20070712000201.8D415984B65@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707111835h406c59b3w45b537304d6c0f5@mail.gmail.com> On 7/11/07, Dennis Dater wrote: > > As far as I have heard the President of Allegra, Carl Gerhardt, will be > meeting with Adobe on July 17 in San Francisco. He will be attending with > other franchise and trade organization presidents. Confirmed. Carl, SS President Rich Lowe, and the president of AlphaGraphics. Tuesday meeting. Given the unanimity of our expressed-to-Adobe sentiments about buying their way out of the contract, along with Adobe's "council" to consider remedies and their meeting with the franchise presidents, it's obvious that buying their way out of the contract is not an option they appear willing (able?) to consider. On a wholly different level, my experience with FedEx is that they are an arrogant, customer-be-damned company; is it their company culture? It has been suggested that FXK hasn't done anything wrong here, but now I'm not so sure. I'm getting the sense that Adobe would love to be able to back away from and rectify their mistake, but FedEx won't let them. What sort of contractual terms might make that so? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From rick at jmjprinting.com Wed Jul 11 22:15:56 2007 From: rick at jmjprinting.com (Rick Foster) Date: Wed Jul 11 22:12:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Allegra vs Fed Ex In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0707111835h406c59b3w45b537304d6c0f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070712000201.8D415984B65@rb.enter.net> <98f5b19a0707111835h406c59b3w45b537304d6c0f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: In reference to the message sent by Michael Vogel, on 7/11/07, at 9:35 PM -0400: > I'm getting the sense that Adobe would love to be able to back >away from and rectify their mistake, but FedEx won't let them. What >sort of contractual terms might make that so? One that could cost them more than just money. A little prediction of the future. **Carnac the Magnificat holding the card to his head.** Inside this envelope I see Ship, Rip, and Dip (ok it is actually dtp, but dip sounds better). Open the envelope... FedEx/Kinko's/Adobe There you have it, all under one roof. Create your design with FedEx Adobe software, send file to FedEx Kinko's copy center, and ship your finished product with FedEx (Air, Ground, etc.) Makes perfect sense to me. -- Rick _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Rick B. Foster JMJ Printing Co. LLC - Snohomish, WA mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com http://www.jmjprinting.com 425.334.9716 Your Full Service Print Shop 425.397.9716 Fax We Appreciate Your Business! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From john at foxprinting.biz Thu Jul 12 07:54:26 2007 From: john at foxprinting.biz (john@foxprinting.biz) Date: Thu Jul 12 07:59:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Banding Problem -- HELP!! In-Reply-To: <4693BEDE.10821.15C64B9A@slb.inkspot.net> References: <4693BEDE.10821.15C64B9A@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: We resolved a banding issue by making the plates at 175 line instead of our usual 133 or 150 and changing the opacity of a .pdf of the file in acrobat to 75%. The result was a very smooth gradient. Reducing the opacity does change the color slightly - but only slightly. Not enough to be an issue. At least not on this job. John John Schroeder Fox Printing 802-658-9196 john@foxprinting.biz From alewinter at datapalette.com Thu Jul 12 08:24:40 2007 From: alewinter at datapalette.com (Andrew LeWinter) Date: Thu Jul 12 08:40:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Allegra vs Fed Ex References: <20070712000201.8D415984B65@rb.enter.net> <98f5b19a0707111835h406c59b3w45b537304d6c0f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D501A2378@mail1.datapalette.local> Like most of you, I am not a lawyer. But on the evidence so far presented, I don't see that FXK has done anything wrong. Whether they have done anything to negate the contract signed with Adobe is for their lawyers to determine. But we have assumed that FXK paid Adobe a fee, or agreed to pay a "per submission" commission for the right to have this exclusive presence in the Acrobat platform. Now, due to the uproar, and possible litigation from other parties, Adobe is reconsidering their options. FXK's refusal to release Adobe from the contract is not grounds to negate the contract. Simplistically, possible contractual terms that could be enforced by FXK might read, "In return for an initial payment of $5,000,000, Adobe will supply an link to the FXK order site for direct submission of client files. At no time during this contract will Adobe be permitted to offer the same or similar access to other parties." Or the terms could read "FXK will pay to Adobe a fee of $2.50 for each digital submission received through the FDX/Adobe link, irregardless whether it results in production of a finished product." Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:36 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Allegra vs Fed Ex ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On 7/11/07, Dennis Dater wrote: > > As far as I have heard the President of Allegra, Carl Gerhardt, will be > meeting with Adobe on July 17 in San Francisco. He will be attending with > other franchise and trade organization presidents. Confirmed. Carl, SS President Rich Lowe, and the president of AlphaGraphics. Tuesday meeting. Given the unanimity of our expressed-to-Adobe sentiments about buying their way out of the contract, along with Adobe's "council" to consider remedies and their meeting with the franchise presidents, it's obvious that buying their way out of the contract is not an option they appear willing (able?) to consider. On a wholly different level, my experience with FedEx is that they are an arrogant, customer-be-damned company; is it their company culture? It has been suggested that FXK hasn't done anything wrong here, but now I'm not so sure. I'm getting the sense that Adobe would love to be able to back away from and rectify their mistake, but FedEx won't let them. What sort of contractual terms might make that so? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sherwood at net-power.net Thu Jul 12 09:32:36 2007 From: sherwood at net-power.net (Bob Sherwood) Date: Thu Jul 12 09:32:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Thermo Letterheads Message-ID: <004e01c7c489$1c3b4b00$01fea8c0@cumberla1> Need a source for Thermographed Letterheads that are Laser Proof Bob Sherwood Cumberland Printing P.O. Box 313 Monticello, KY 42633 606-348-4517 From chris at illinoisprintingservices.com Thu Jul 12 09:43:53 2007 From: chris at illinoisprintingservices.com (Chris) Date: Thu Jul 12 09:43:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Stitcher References: <004f01c7c3db$d1cebeb0$6600a8c0@Tom><4695005F.9850.1AAE29F9@slb.inkspot.net> <2390B378-A51F-4F55-BAEF-243B8FB2EB88@legendsofdodgecity.com> Message-ID: <002101c7c48a$b01ba080$6500a8c0@ipsmachine> I would get it repaired. It should last for many years. Chris Eckel Vice President Illinois Printing Services, Inc. P. O. Box 106 Sullivan, Illinois 61951 217.728.2786 FAX 728.2998 Cell 412-5051 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sonya Hughes" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:13 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Stitcher > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have an old Champion single-head stitcher that is starting to cause us > too many problems. Does anyone have any suggestions on a replacement? > We're not a high volume user on this type of equipment, but we can't live > without it! I would appreciate any advice/ suggestions offered. > TIA, > Sonya Hughes > Legends Printing > Dodge City > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu Jul 12 10:02:39 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu Jul 12 10:02:52 2007 Subject: Guerilla Warfare Re: [PrintOwners] Allegra vs Fed Ex Message-ID: In a message dated 7/12/2007 8:47:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, alewinter@datapalette.com writes: Like most of you, I am not a lawyer. But on the evidence so far presented, I don't see that FXK has done anything wrong. Andy, I agree that FXK, although disliked by many, is blameless in this affair. Who among us wouldn't love a customized button built into software making it incredibly easy to send jobs and RFQs directly to our shops. I have an important question in this regard that hopefully someone can answer. Since I have not downloaded Ver. 8.1 of Reader nor have we upgraded to Ver. 8.1 of Acrobat, could someone explain to me whether it is possible to send RFQ's for jobs as well? Is that also a built-in function of the new program? If that is the case, then a whole new world of guerilla warfare becomes possible with anonymous sites being set up sending tens of thousands of anonymous RFQ's to FXK operations in the U.S. If done properly, it is possible that it would put FXK in the position of asking ADOBE to cancel the contract, or various versions of that scenario. I certainly know there are programmers in Serbia and elsewhere that could write programs that could bring down otherwise functional web sites with a sheer volume of RFQs or fictitious jobs.... Oh well, just a thought. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From stalprint at charter.net Thu Jul 12 10:17:40 2007 From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings) Date: Thu Jul 12 10:17:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Thermo Letterheads In-Reply-To: <004e01c7c489$1c3b4b00$01fea8c0@cumberla1> References: <004e01c7c489$1c3b4b00$01fea8c0@cumberla1> Message-ID: <46963804.2010508@charter.net> Believe I recall www.wes-tex.com having that product Bob Sherwood wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Need a source for Thermographed Letterheads that are Laser Proof > > >Bob Sherwood >Cumberland Printing >P.O. Box 313 >Monticello, KY 42633 >606-348-4517 >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net Lenoir, NC 28645 From mark at newprinting.com Thu Jul 12 10:16:35 2007 From: mark at newprinting.com (Mark Weinfurter) Date: Thu Jul 12 10:18:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:My F/K Adobe two cents In-Reply-To: <20070711213243.94FD998418A@rb.enter.net> References: <20070711213243.94FD998418A@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <69912ea5769e814c6a43a9b32b183933@newprinting.com> > > Assuming Adobe got $5,000,000, that is only 8,333 Adobe service > providers at > an average of $600.00 ea. I wonder how many ASPs there really are? > Thanks, Keep in mind the $600 is per year. Plus all of the printers buying In Design, Photo Shop, Illustrator, and all of the upgrades through the years. I'm guessing the $3-5 Million that FedEx/Kinko's paid for the Adobe button was a one time charge. What a screw up. Thanks, Mark Weinfurter N. E. W. Printing 1718 E. Wisconsin Ave. Appleton, WI 54911 1-888-563-0400 Fax 920-735-9945 www.newprinting.com mark@newprinting.com 'A very cool web site...www.newprinting.com' From noel.alford at gmail.com Thu Jul 12 10:24:43 2007 From: noel.alford at gmail.com (Noel Alford) Date: Thu Jul 12 10:24:49 2007 Subject: Guerilla Warfare Re: [PrintOwners] Allegra vs Fed Ex In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <82db7cdd0707120724j676c90b1pe2319298b7c4a133@mail.gmail.com> Unfortunately, electronic RFQ guerilla warfare by rouge Serbian programmers does not have the same sex appeal as "toner bombs", perhaps Guerilla burlesque would be a more satisfactory term? see: Guerilla burlesque, a style of burlesque performance that involves descending upon audiences, uninvited. HTH Noel On 7/12/07, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > In a message dated 7/12/2007 8:47:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > alewinter@datapalette.com writes: > > Like most of you, I am not a lawyer. But on the evidence so far > presented, I don't see that FXK has done anything wrong. > > > Andy, I agree that FXK, although disliked by many, is blameless in this > affair. Who among us wouldn't love a customized button built into > software making > it incredibly easy to send jobs and RFQs directly to our shops. > > I have an important question in this regard that hopefully someone can > answer. Since I have not downloaded Ver. 8.1 of Reader nor have we > upgraded to > Ver. 8.1 of Acrobat, could someone explain to me whether it is possible to > send > RFQ's for jobs as well? Is that also a built-in function of the > new program? > > If that is the case, then a whole new world of guerilla warfare becomes > possible with anonymous sites being set up sending tens of thousands > of anonymous > RFQ's to FXK operations in the U.S. If done properly, it is possible that > it > would put FXK in the position of asking ADOBE to cancel the contract, or > various versions of that scenario. > > I certainly know there are programmers in Serbia and elsewhere that could > write programs that could bring down otherwise functional web sites with a > sheer > volume of RFQs or fictitious jobs.... Oh well, just a thought. > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Noel Alford The Document Imaging Group 401 East Capitol Street Suite 400 Jackson, MS 39201 601.948.1101 From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Thu Jul 12 10:42:17 2007 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Thu Jul 12 10:42:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Allegra vs Fed Ex In-Reply-To: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D501A2378@mail1.datapalette.local> References: <20070712000201.8D415984B65@rb.enter.net><98f5b19a0707111835h406c59b3w45b537304d6c0f5@mail.gmail.com> <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D501A2378@mail1.datapalette.local> Message-ID: <000601c7c492$d8736920$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Contracts can always be broken and damages paid. It seems to me that Adobe has the very tough choice of possibly losing their dominance, in the industry, which would be costly, or paying damages to Fed Ex. So far it looks as though they are going to try to schmooze their way out of it and try to find out how widespread and how strong the opposition is. My service provider contract ran out Monday and I'm not renewing. Gord Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc 2105 Midland Ave Unit 14 Scarborough, ON M1P 3E3 Ph: 416 298 6996 Fax: 416 298 2771 www.xoxocyberprint.com gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Andrew LeWinter Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 8:25 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Allegra vs Fed Ex ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Like most of you, I am not a lawyer. But on the evidence so far presented, I don't see that FXK has done anything wrong. Whether they have done anything to negate the contract signed with Adobe is for their lawyers to determine. But we have assumed that FXK paid Adobe a fee, or agreed to pay a "per submission" commission for the right to have this exclusive presence in the Acrobat platform. Now, due to the uproar, and possible litigation from other parties, Adobe is reconsidering their options. FXK's refusal to release Adobe from the contract is not grounds to negate the contract. Simplistically, possible contractual terms that could be enforced by FXK might read, "In return for an initial payment of $5,000,000, Adobe will supply an link to the FXK order site for direct submission of client files. At no time during this contract will Adobe be permitted to offer the same or similar access to other parties." Or the terms could read "FXK will pay to Adobe a fee of $2.50 for each digital submission received through the FDX/Adobe link, irregardless whether it results in production of a finished product." Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:36 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Allegra vs Fed Ex ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On 7/11/07, Dennis Dater wrote: > > As far as I have heard the President of Allegra, Carl Gerhardt, will be > meeting with Adobe on July 17 in San Francisco. He will be attending with > other franchise and trade organization presidents. Confirmed. Carl, SS President Rich Lowe, and the president of AlphaGraphics. Tuesday meeting. Given the unanimity of our expressed-to-Adobe sentiments about buying their way out of the contract, along with Adobe's "council" to consider remedies and their meeting with the franchise presidents, it's obvious that buying their way out of the contract is not an option they appear willing (able?) to consider. On a wholly different level, my experience with FedEx is that they are an arrogant, customer-be-damned company; is it their company culture? It has been suggested that FXK hasn't done anything wrong here, but now I'm not so sure. I'm getting the sense that Adobe would love to be able to back away from and rectify their mistake, but FedEx won't let them. What sort of contractual terms might make that so? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kellycrom at gmail.com Thu Jul 12 11:10:08 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Thu Jul 12 11:10:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Thermo Letterheads In-Reply-To: <004e01c7c489$1c3b4b00$01fea8c0@cumberla1> References: <004e01c7c489$1c3b4b00$01fea8c0@cumberla1> Message-ID: <00e801c7c496$bd0ca710$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Do you have a BCT in your area? If so, just ask for Laser Safe thermo. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bob Sherwood > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 8:33 AM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Thermo Letterheads > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Need a source for Thermographed Letterheads that are Laser Proof > > > Bob Sherwood > Cumberland Printing > P.O. Box 313 > Monticello, KY 42633 > 606-348-4517 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From pica18 at hotmail.com Thu Jul 12 12:39:29 2007 From: pica18 at hotmail.com (s polk) Date: Thu Jul 12 12:39:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] how do you reply to a post? Message-ID: High mpg delivery: we make most pickup and deliveries in our VW Golf TDI and it is running on recycled waste vegetable oil. Going to add a Prius next year. _________________________________________________________________ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 From priorityprinting at comcast.net Thu Jul 12 12:39:44 2007 From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net) Date: Thu Jul 12 12:39:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Thermo Letterheads Message-ID: <071220071639.8878.469659500006ED49000022AE22070029530902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> I use: Business Cards Plus 8785 Portage Industrial Drive Portage, MI 49024 800 875-7727 Jeff farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Bob Sherwood" > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Need a source for Thermographed Letterheads that are Laser Proof > > > Bob Sherwood > Cumberland Printing > P.O. Box 313 > Monticello, KY 42633 > 606-348-4517 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu Jul 12 13:01:00 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu Jul 12 13:01:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] how do you reply to a post? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707121001y582d41a7mf1f3995ffdf5bee6@mail.gmail.com> Under the subject of "How do you reply to a post?" On 7/12/07, s polk wrote: ****** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > High mpg delivery: we make most pickup and deliveries in our VW Golf TDI and > it is running on recycled waste vegetable oil. Going to add a Prius next > year. > To reply to a post: Hit the reply button in whatever email program you're using. DON'T change the subject line unless you are going off on a tangent and responses to your response are likely to follow. DO include your signature so we know who you are -- at least your name, company, city and state. Meanwhile, where/how does one fill up on waste vegetable oil? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From slb at inkspot.net Thu Jul 12 13:37:23 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Thu Jul 12 13:37:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Thermo Letterheads In-Reply-To: <004e01c7c489$1c3b4b00$01fea8c0@cumberla1> Message-ID: <46962E93.6440.1F4AA7C6@slb.inkspot.net> Regency does this (they call it "perma-raised"), and so does Carlson Craft. Then again, so do our local BCT and BCE franchises. Just ask whomever you usually use for thermographed business cards whether they can do the higher-temperature version for laser printers. You probably won't have to look for a new supplier just for this. Steve > > Need a source for Thermographed Letterheads that are Laser Proof > > > Bob Sherwood > Cumberland Printing > P.O. Box 313 > Monticello, KY 42633 > 606-348-4517 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2395 (20070712) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au Thu Jul 12 18:50:47 2007 From: Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au (Harry Brelsford) Date: Thu Jul 12 18:50:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Prius delivery vehicle ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It seems the Prius is not quite as environmental as we are led to believe. It wears out it's special low rolling resistance tires in 16000 miles compared to around 45,000 miles for a Corolla. It causes more pollution in its dust to dust life cycle than a regular car - they reckon you may be doing less harm with a Hummer. The nickel they use in the batteries is bad stuff plus they have to manufacture two engines. Check it out here - CNW Research http://cnwmr.com/nss-folder/automotiveenergy They reckon the Scion xBs offers best gas mileage. Don't know what that is as we don't get them here in OZ. >High mpg delivery: we make most pickup and deliveries in our VW Golf >TDI and it is running on recycled waste vegetable oil. Going to add >a Prius next year. Harry -- Harry Brelsford Varsity Graphics Shop 2 - 195 Varsity Parade Varsity Lakes QLD 4227 Australia Ph: 61 7 5575 9417 Fax: 61 7 5575 8091 Harry@VarsityGraphics.com.au From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu Jul 12 22:06:49 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu Jul 12 22:06:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Prius delivery vehicle ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707121906j5176aec3q4f7d664dbef9a489@mail.gmail.com> On 7/12/07, Harry Brelsford wrote: > >The nickel they > use in the batteries is bad stuff plus they have to manufacture two > engines. Check it out here - CNW Research > http://cnwmr.com/nss-folder/automotiveenergy Pretty astounding read, Harry. I read the "Hidden Cost of Driving a Prius Commentary.pdf," and the facts about the Sudbury nickel facility have my hair standing on end (a figure of speech that my wife would not think I'm qualified to use). I'd like to plaster a copy of it on every Prius' windshield. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Fri Jul 13 09:56:24 2007 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Fri Jul 13 09:56:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Funny for Friday (off) In-Reply-To: <000001c7c3e1$18914520$49b3cf60$@com> References: <000001c7c3e1$18914520$49b3cf60$@com> Message-ID: <004801c7c555$99f9de90$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> From ewingandsons at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 13 10:34:13 2007 From: ewingandsons at sbcglobal.net (Dennis W. Ewing Sr) Date: Fri Jul 13 10:34:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Prius delivery vehicle ? In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0707121906j5176aec3q4f7d664dbef9a489@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0707121906j5176aec3q4f7d664dbef9a489@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46978D65.7050006@sbcglobal.net> I think I'll keep the F-150. I live in fear of being rear-ended and paralyzed. I want something big enough to protect me from the morons who can't drive. I've been hit from behind 6 times and have chronic pain as a result. Some things are much more important than fuel economy. Safety if the top concern for me. I need to be able to haul a heavy load and feel like I might survive an accident. I don't see anything else on the road I'd trust for both. Energy footprint be damned. This whole environmental movement it garbage. Do you know who the largest water polluter is? It is homeowners who think that if the lawn fertilizer bag says one will do their yard two will make it look really good and if the bug spray says one bottle will do the yard twice then use the whole bottle in one application. Business is a small contributer after that. I will use what ever I need and ignore the eco-nuts. Buy what you need or want. It's not going to make a dent in the environment. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@sbcglobal.net ewingandsons@sbcglobal.net Michael Vogel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On 7/12/07, Harry Brelsford wrote: >> >> The nickel they >> use in the batteries is bad stuff plus they have to manufacture two >> engines. Check it out here - CNW Research >> http://cnwmr.com/nss-folder/automotiveenergy > > Pretty astounding read, Harry. > > I read the "Hidden Cost of Driving a Prius Commentary.pdf," and the > facts about the Sudbury nickel facility have my hair standing on end > (a figure of speech that my wife would not think I'm qualified to > use). I'd like to plaster a copy of it on every Prius' windshield. > > > From jedwards at printzilla.net Fri Jul 13 10:47:47 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Fri Jul 13 10:50:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Prius delivery vehicle ? In-Reply-To: <46978D65.7050006@sbcglobal.net> References: <98f5b19a0707121906j5176aec3q4f7d664dbef9a489@mail.gmail.com> <46978D65.7050006@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On Jul 13, 2007, at 9:34 AM, Dennis W. Ewing Sr wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I think I'll keep the F-150. I'm still driving an F-100, first year it came out. Your truck is in picture 3 and picture 4. http://www.chron.com/entertainment/photogallery/ Jesse_Daytons_HonkyTonk_and_Hot_Rods_Music_Festival__May_19_2007.html Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas From russ at mobile-print.com Fri Jul 13 12:08:07 2007 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Fri Jul 13 11:10:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Prius delivery vehicle ? In-Reply-To: <46978D65.7050006@sbcglobal.net> References: <98f5b19a0707121906j5176aec3q4f7d664dbef9a489@mail.gmail.com> <46978D65.7050006@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4697A367.9070807@mobile-print.com> > Energy footprint be damned. This whole environmental movement it > garbage. > I will use what ever I need and ignore the eco-nuts. Buy what you need > or want. It's not going to make a dent in the environment. > It's attitudes like this that have gotten us into the mess we're in now! By the same reasoning: Don't vote - one vote doesn't matter Don't recycle - my few cans don't matter Don't pray - 1 prayer won't matter Do whatever you want - 1 person doesn't matter Sounds like an endorsement for anarchy... Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847-398-6155 Fax: 847-398-0788 From craig at newhavenprint.com Fri Jul 13 11:15:14 2007 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Fri Jul 13 11:15:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Prius delivery vehicle ? In-Reply-To: <46978D65.7050006@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20070713151503.62A8F996635@rb.enter.net> > I think I'll keep the F-150. I live in fear of being > rear-ended and paralyzed. I want something big enough to > protect me from the morons who can't drive. I've been hit > from behind 6 times and have chronic pain as a result. Some > things are much more important than fuel economy. Safety if > the top concern for me. I need to be able to haul a heavy > load and feel like I might survive an accident. I don't see > anything else on the road I'd trust for both. The thing that really can freak you out when looking for a car is studying the crash tests. Both the Insurance Institute and Government sites. I did a lot of research before we got our 16 year old son a car. It's amazing seeing the results of the tests. Side airbags make a HUGE difference in survivability or even just being injured. We ended up getting a new Honda Civic for him. If you believe the Insurance Institute crash tests, you'd rather be rear ended in the Civic than a full size pickup truck. That's why we ended up biting the bullet and purchasing a new vehicle for a new driver. I couldn't know the test results and put him in a vehicle that he'd be more likely to be hurt in a crash. http://www.iihs.org/ratings/summary.aspx?class=70 Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From dstorrar at hrcommunications.ca Fri Jul 13 11:20:34 2007 From: dstorrar at hrcommunications.ca (Dan Storrar) Date: Fri Jul 13 11:21:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Prius delivery vehicle ? References: <4697A367.9070807@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: <004201c7c561$5d6aac00$4601a8c0@DAN> Hear hear! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Peters" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Prius delivery vehicle ? > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >> Energy footprint be damned. This whole environmental movement it >> garbage. > >> I will use what ever I need and ignore the eco-nuts. Buy what you need or >> want. It's not going to make a dent in the environment. >> > > It's attitudes like this that have gotten us into the mess we're in now! > > By the same reasoning: > Don't vote - one vote doesn't matter > Don't recycle - my few cans don't matter > Don't pray - 1 prayer won't matter > Do whatever you want - 1 person doesn't matter > > Sounds like an endorsement for anarchy... > > > Russ Peters > MOBILE PRINT, INC. > 201 W. Central Road > Mount Prospect, IL 60056 > Phone: 847-398-6155 > Fax: 847-398-0788 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From tammie at macombprinter.com Fri Jul 13 11:30:59 2007 From: tammie at macombprinter.com (Tammie at Quickprinters) Date: Fri Jul 13 11:33:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Possible Scam In-Reply-To: <46963804.2010508@charter.net> Message-ID: Does this type of email look familiar to anyone? I'm sure it is a scam. I Google his name and didn't come up with anything. Is there a way to report suspected scams? Tammie ---------------------------------- Tammie@MacombPrinter.com QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS __________________________________ 1120 East Jackson Street Macomb, IL 61455 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ****** This is the first email we got: From: "mike wilson" Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:51:31 -0700 HELLO THIS IS REV MIKE WILSON I AM THE OWNER OF THE MIKE $ SON AGAA C.O I WILL LIKE TO ORDER SOME OF UR BANNERS TO MY NEW COMPANY I NEED THE SIZE 3 INCHES BY 10 INCHES I NEED 100 PIECES OF THAT I WILL LIKE THE BANNERS TO SAY (I LOVE YOU ANY WAY ) LETTERING COLOR TO BE IN RED AND TO BE IN WHITE PLS CAN U GO AHEAD AND GIVE ME TOTAL PRICE PLUS TAX AND PAYMENT U ACCEPT I WILL BE WAIT FOR U SOON. THANK YOU GOD BLESS YOU ****** This is what I sent to him: >> I need a little more information to get you a price. >> >> What kind of material do you want the banners made of? >> >> Are they for indoor or outdoor? >> >> How will you hang them? >> >> What is the address they will ship to? >> >> What shipping method do you prefer? >> >> When do you need these? >> >> Are you sure your size is to be 10 inches x 3 inches? We would not really >> consider that small of an item a banner. >> >> We accept Discover, Mastercard & Visa. >> >> >> Thanks, >> Tammie ********* This is what he sent back to me: > Hello Tammie. > Thank you for the reply.yes they for outdoor i will hang inside > after i make the payment as soon as the order is ready i have are shipping > company will come for the pick up for me i need this banners by 2 weeks oh > no the size is 30inches x 60inches i need 100 piece of them pls can u go ahead > and give me the total price plus tax i will be wait for u soon. > > thank you > god bless you ******** This is what I sent back to him: > I still need to know what kind of material you want. > > What will be the text for the banners? > > Also, where is your company located? > > Tammie From ewingandsons at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 13 11:34:40 2007 From: ewingandsons at sbcglobal.net (Dennis W. Ewing Sr) Date: Fri Jul 13 11:34:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Prius delivery vehicle ? In-Reply-To: <20070713151503.62A8F996635@rb.enter.net> References: <20070713151503.62A8F996635@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <46979B90.8060509@sbcglobal.net> I have the towing package and keep the trailer ball in the receiver. I was hit about this time last year and it did maybe 75.00 in scratches to the back bumper and 14,000 in medical between me and my daughter. It totaled the Corolla that hit us. The truck did not give an inch. I probably would still have had the medical in any other vehicle, but would have had to deal with getting the vehicle repaired also. I was hit last month at low speed. (Moron on the phone with her sister complaining about the traffic) and got some white paint on the trailer ball. Probably did 2000 damage to the Taurus. No injury that time thank God. Experiences like that are why I plan on keeping the truck. The insurance folks don't test them with trailer hitches. They test the basic configuration. I really think the hitch adds a little safety as well as being handy when the Scouts need a trailer hauled somewhere. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@sbcglobal.net ewingandsons@sbcglobal.net Craig Dellinger wrote: > > The thing that really can freak you out when looking for a car is studying > the crash tests. Both the Insurance Institute and Government sites. I did a > lot of research before we got our 16 year old son a car. It's amazing seeing > the results of the tests. Side airbags make a HUGE difference in > survivability or even just being injured. We ended up getting a new Honda > Civic for him. If you believe the Insurance Institute crash tests, you'd > rather be rear ended in the Civic than a full size pickup truck. That's why > we ended up biting the bullet and purchasing a new vehicle for a new driver. > I couldn't know the test results and put him in a vehicle that he'd be more > likely to be hurt in a crash. > > http://www.iihs.org/ratings/summary.aspx?class=70 > > Craig Dellinger > New Haven Print & Copy > 7531 US 930 East > Fort Wayne, IN 46803 > 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 > www.newhavenprint.com > > From ewingandsons at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 13 11:39:37 2007 From: ewingandsons at sbcglobal.net (Dennis W. Ewing Sr) Date: Fri Jul 13 11:39:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Prius delivery vehicle ? In-Reply-To: <4697A367.9070807@mobile-print.com> References: <98f5b19a0707121906j5176aec3q4f7d664dbef9a489@mail.gmail.com> <46978D65.7050006@sbcglobal.net> <4697A367.9070807@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: <46979CB9.30001@sbcglobal.net> I vote and I pray. I do not waste time recycling. There is no cash in it. We are not in a mess. Global warming is the latest BS. When I was in High school it was global cooling from the same causes they are screaming is causing global warming. Wait 20 years, we'll back to global cooling. The climate has been changing on its own for centuries. Maybe we add a small amount to it, but I really doubt it. That is not Anarchy, it is reality. Recycling does not pay enough to make it worth while, in fact to do it here you have to pay extra. Why waste money? Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@sbcglobal.net ewingandsons@sbcglobal.net Russ Peters wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >> Energy footprint be damned. This whole environmental movement it >> garbage. > >> I will use what ever I need and ignore the eco-nuts. Buy what you >> need or want. It's not going to make a dent in the environment. >> > > It's attitudes like this that have gotten us into the mess we're in now! > > By the same reasoning: > Don't vote - one vote doesn't matter > Don't recycle - my few cans don't matter > Don't pray - 1 prayer won't matter > Do whatever you want - 1 person doesn't matter > > Sounds like an endorsement for anarchy... > > > Russ Peters > MOBILE PRINT, INC. > 201 W. Central Road > Mount Prospect, IL 60056 > Phone: 847-398-6155 > Fax: 847-398-0788 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From char at themasterspress.com Fri Jul 13 11:39:54 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Fri Jul 13 11:40:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Possible Scam In-Reply-To: References: <46963804.2010508@charter.net> Message-ID: <008c01c7c564$14f265a0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Tammie, I like you would be leery. At least they are answering you back. I have gotten those emails, and asked those questions and never received answers. The way it is written sounds like a kid doing text messaging. That is the way they write. All lower case, short incomplete sentences. Could be a legitimate order but just sounds loosy-goosy. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tammie at Quickprinters Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:31 AM To: Printowners List Subject: [PrintOwners] Possible Scam ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Does this type of email look familiar to anyone? I'm sure it is a scam. I Google his name and didn't come up with anything. Is there a way to report suspected scams? Tammie ---------------------------------- Tammie@MacombPrinter.com QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS __________________________________ 1120 East Jackson Street Macomb, IL 61455 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ****** This is the first email we got: From: "mike wilson" Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:51:31 -0700 HELLO THIS IS REV MIKE WILSON I AM THE OWNER OF THE MIKE $ SON AGAA C.O I WILL LIKE TO ORDER SOME OF UR BANNERS TO MY NEW COMPANY I NEED THE SIZE 3 INCHES BY 10 INCHES I NEED 100 PIECES OF THAT I WILL LIKE THE BANNERS TO SAY (I LOVE YOU ANY WAY ) LETTERING COLOR TO BE IN RED AND TO BE IN WHITE PLS CAN U GO AHEAD AND GIVE ME TOTAL PRICE PLUS TAX AND PAYMENT U ACCEPT I WILL BE WAIT FOR U SOON. THANK YOU GOD BLESS YOU ****** This is what I sent to him: >> I need a little more information to get you a price. >> >> What kind of material do you want the banners made of? >> >> Are they for indoor or outdoor? >> >> How will you hang them? >> >> What is the address they will ship to? >> >> What shipping method do you prefer? >> >> When do you need these? >> >> Are you sure your size is to be 10 inches x 3 inches? We would not really >> consider that small of an item a banner. >> >> We accept Discover, Mastercard & Visa. >> >> >> Thanks, >> Tammie ********* This is what he sent back to me: > Hello Tammie. > Thank you for the reply.yes they for outdoor i will hang inside > after i make the payment as soon as the order is ready i have are shipping > company will come for the pick up for me i need this banners by 2 weeks oh > no the size is 30inches x 60inches i need 100 piece of them pls can u go ahead > and give me the total price plus tax i will be wait for u soon. > > thank you > god bless you ******** This is what I sent back to him: > I still need to know what kind of material you want. > > What will be the text for the banners? > > Also, where is your company located? > > Tammie _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From craig at newhavenprint.com Fri Jul 13 11:43:59 2007 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Fri Jul 13 11:43:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Prius delivery vehicle ? In-Reply-To: <46979B90.8060509@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20070713154348.345969969DC@rb.enter.net> > I have the towing package and keep the trailer ball in the > receiver. I was hit about this time last year and it did > maybe 75.00 in scratches to the back bumper and 14,000 in > medical between me and my daughter. It totaled the Corolla > that hit us. The truck did not give an inch. I probably would > still have had the medical in any other vehicle, but would > have had to deal with getting the vehicle repaired also. I > was hit last month at low speed. (Moron on the phone with her > sister complaining about the traffic) and got some white > paint on the trailer ball. The key to safety is having the vehicle take and absorb the impact. Most modern cars are designed to crumple under impact. Makes a mess of the cars, but helps retain the integrity of the passenger compartment. Just like race cars. Those things pretty much blow apart under impact, but the driver (usually) walks away. I'm not totally convinced on all the test results. It's just another thing to think about. Common sense would make you think you'd be much safer in a large vehicle. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From jedwards at printzilla.net Fri Jul 13 12:12:06 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Fri Jul 13 12:14:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Prius delivery vehicle ? In-Reply-To: <4697A367.9070807@mobile-print.com> References: <98f5b19a0707121906j5176aec3q4f7d664dbef9a489@mail.gmail.com> <46978D65.7050006@sbcglobal.net> <4697A367.9070807@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: > > It's attitudes like this that have gotten us into the mess we're in > now! > > By the same reasoning: > Don't vote - one vote doesn't matter > Don't pray - 1 prayer won't matter > > Sounds like an endorsement for anarchy... The world would be in turmoil without religion or politics. Imagine... that could have been a song. Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas From zapit at zapcolor.com Fri Jul 13 12:20:38 2007 From: zapit at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez) Date: Fri Jul 13 12:24:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Prius delivery vehicle In-Reply-To: <20070713160004.AD63A996C3B@rb.enter.net> References: <20070713160004.AD63A996C3B@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: I know we are in California, BUT common sense tells you if you use less electricity you will use less oil/coal, hence less emissions. In our valley we couldn't see across it 20 years ago, now you can and we have not had a Level 1 smog alert in years, we used to have them weekly, if not more often. California residents use 1/2 the electricity of other areas of the country per person, partly because we have been doing this longer than most and yes some of us are crazy, but that's another story. We do have the most liberal politicians as well as the most conservative! A few years ago, in our old building, we went thru and did a number of items to reduce our power consumption, using electronic ballast on our fluorescent lights, fans, etc. We reduced our power bill by 30%! COMMON SENSE, not tree hugging! I got to pocket the 30% savings. Could a Prius use more energy over its lifespan than a F150, possibly, but I can have someone make statistics pretty much say anything I want at any time. I have gotten lousy mileage out of 40,000 mile tires and long life out of 20,000 mile tires, alot depends on sooo many factors. We are looking at getting a Prius for our in-town deliveries because those are the bulk of our deliveries. But I do know our PT Cruiser gets lousy intown mileage, especially for a 4 cylinder. Crazy in California On Jul 13, 2007, at 9:00 AM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Prius delivery vehicle ? > To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > > Message-ID: <20070713154348.345969969DC@rb.enter.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > >> I have the towing package and keep the trailer ball in the >> receiver. I was hit about this time last year and it did >> maybe 75.00 in scratches to the back bumper and 14,000 in >> medical between me and my daughter. It totaled the Corolla >> that hit us. The truck did not give an inch. I probably would >> still have had the medical in any other vehicle, but would >> have had to deal with getting the vehicle repaired also. I >> was hit last month at low speed. (Moron on the phone with her >> sister complaining about the traffic) and got some white >> paint on the trailer ball. > > The key to safety is having the vehicle take and absorb the impact. > Most > modern cars are designed to crumple under impact. Makes a mess of > the cars, > but helps retain the integrity of the passenger compartment. Just > like race > cars. Those things pretty much blow apart under impact, but the driver > (usually) walks away. I'm not totally convinced on all the test > results. > It's just another thing to think about. Common sense would make you > think > you'd be much safer in a large vehicle. Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com From ewingandsons at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 13 12:46:01 2007 From: ewingandsons at sbcglobal.net (Dennis W. Ewing Sr) Date: Fri Jul 13 12:46:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Prius delivery vehicle In-Reply-To: References: <20070713160004.AD63A996C3B@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <4697AC49.40408@sbcglobal.net> I'm not saying I won't conserve if I see a benefit to it. We just got a new AC unit here. I figure it will pay for itself in less repairs and reduced electric bills. I'm considering replacing the 12 year old unit at the house. My electric bill there is higher than it is at the shop. I have not thought of electronic ballasts, but I lease so I'm probably not going to do something like that. ( I got the landlord to replace the AC for a 30.00 an month rent jump over 5 years.) They will be torn out and tossed. Unless they would pay for themselves in l year it would not be worth doing as I am planning on retiring in 5 years for health reasons. That could change, but I don't see it. Why not burn coal. We don't have to import it, we have plenty of it in this country. With modern technology we can burn it fairly cleanly and it is cheap in comparison to other options. Why is gas so high? We have kept refineries from being built for for decades. We have kept drilling from happening in Alaska and offshore. We have kept the cleanest and safest energy off the table: nuclear. We as a nation have this not in my back yard mentality and it's coming home to roost in the form of high energy bills. Lets encourage drilling, coal production and nuclear energy and watch the economy take off. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@sbcglobal.net ewingandsons@sbcglobal.net Eugene Montanez wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I know we are in California, BUT common sense tells you if you use > less electricity you will use less oil/coal, hence less emissions. > In our valley we couldn't see across it 20 years ago, now you can and > we have not had a Level 1 smog alert in years, we used to have them > weekly, if not more often. > > California residents use 1/2 the electricity of other areas of the > country per person, partly because we have been doing this longer than > most and yes some of us are crazy, but that's another story. We do > have the most liberal politicians as well as the most conservative! > > A few years ago, in our old building, we went thru and did a number of > items to reduce our power consumption, using electronic ballast on our > fluorescent lights, fans, etc. We reduced our power bill by 30%! > > COMMON SENSE, not tree hugging! I got to pocket the 30% savings. > > Could a Prius use more energy over its lifespan than a F150, possibly, > but I can have someone make statistics pretty much say anything I > want at any time. I have gotten lousy mileage out of 40,000 mile tires > and long life out of 20,000 mile tires, alot depends on sooo many > factors. > > We are looking at getting a Prius for our in-town deliveries because > those are the bulk of our deliveries. But I do know our PT Cruiser > gets lousy intown mileage, especially for a 4 cylinder. > > Crazy in California > From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Fri Jul 13 12:55:58 2007 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Fri Jul 13 12:56:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Prius delivery vehicle In-Reply-To: References: <20070713160004.AD63A996C3B@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <001501c7c56e$afa8d3e0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Eugene That doesn't sound crazy at all to me. Could you tell me what the difference between an electronic ballast and whatever kind it was you had before? Or possibly direct me to information on the subject? We have the kind that you'd better replace as soon as the bulb burns out or you'll have to replace the ballast. Gord Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc 2105 Midland Ave Unit 14 Scarborough, ON M1P 3E3 Ph: 416 298 6996 Fax: 416 298 2771 www.xoxocyberprint.com gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Eugene Montanez Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 12:21 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Prius delivery vehicle ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I know we are in California, BUT common sense tells you if you use less electricity you will use less oil/coal, hence less emissions. In our valley we couldn't see across it 20 years ago, now you can and we have not had a Level 1 smog alert in years, we used to have them weekly, if not more often. California residents use 1/2 the electricity of other areas of the country per person, partly because we have been doing this longer than most and yes some of us are crazy, but that's another story. We do have the most liberal politicians as well as the most conservative! A few years ago, in our old building, we went thru and did a number of items to reduce our power consumption, using electronic ballast on our fluorescent lights, fans, etc. We reduced our power bill by 30%! COMMON SENSE, not tree hugging! I got to pocket the 30% savings. Could a Prius use more energy over its lifespan than a F150, possibly, but I can have someone make statistics pretty much say anything I want at any time. I have gotten lousy mileage out of 40,000 mile tires and long life out of 20,000 mile tires, alot depends on sooo many factors. We are looking at getting a Prius for our in-town deliveries because those are the bulk of our deliveries. But I do know our PT Cruiser gets lousy intown mileage, especially for a 4 cylinder. Crazy in California On Jul 13, 2007, at 9:00 AM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Prius delivery vehicle ? > To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > > Message-ID: <20070713154348.345969969DC@rb.enter.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > >> I have the towing package and keep the trailer ball in the >> receiver. I was hit about this time last year and it did >> maybe 75.00 in scratches to the back bumper and 14,000 in >> medical between me and my daughter. It totaled the Corolla >> that hit us. The truck did not give an inch. I probably would >> still have had the medical in any other vehicle, but would >> have had to deal with getting the vehicle repaired also. I >> was hit last month at low speed. (Moron on the phone with her >> sister complaining about the traffic) and got some white >> paint on the trailer ball. > > The key to safety is having the vehicle take and absorb the impact. > Most > modern cars are designed to crumple under impact. Makes a mess of > the cars, > but helps retain the integrity of the passenger compartment. Just > like race > cars. Those things pretty much blow apart under impact, but the driver > (usually) walks away. I'm not totally convinced on all the test > results. > It's just another thing to think about. Common sense would make you > think > you'd be much safer in a large vehicle. Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From QKCONSULT at aol.com Fri Jul 13 13:08:51 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Fri Jul 13 13:09:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Prius delivery vehicle Message-ID: In a message dated 7/13/2007 12:47:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ewingandsons@sbcglobal.net writes: We as a nation have this not in my back yard mentality and it's coming home to roost in the form of high energy bills. Lets encourage drilling, coal production and nuclear energy and watch the economy take off. Well, if I was President I would first disband Congress and then I would take one or two of our lessor used and populated states like Nevada or Colorado and just cover them entirely with Solar Cells. Hey, there are other places to gamble and ski so it isn't that big a deal and I think most Americans would go for it, but I really wouldn't care.... I would be the "decider" and make the rules. If folks wanted to live beneath the solar cells that would be fine, but we would use 90% of just one or two of these states and use them to generate electricity for the rest of the country. We could consider other states like ND or SD but I'm not sure how much sun they get year around. New Mexico is a possibility but all the illegal aliens crossing over every day would probably vandalize the solar cells.... then again, if we really do the solar cell thing right in Nevada and Colorado we could probably generate enough excess electricity to allow us to electrify the entire Rio Grande River and that would help solve another big problem. Anyone attempting to cross the river by swimming or wading would be immediately electrocuted, which would be a permanent solution at least for them..... I have other ideas for generating more power and solving immigration problems, but they would be considered too controversial! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From sos at olympus.net Fri Jul 13 13:15:10 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri Jul 13 13:15:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Prius delivery vehicle ? References: <98f5b19a0707121906j5176aec3q4f7d664dbef9a489@mail.gmail.com> <46978D65.7050006@sbcglobal.net><4697A367.9070807@mobile-print.com> <46979CB9.30001@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <004e01c7c571$5e52ced0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> > I vote and I pray. I do not waste time recycling. There is no cash in > it. We are not in a mess. Global warming is the latest BS. When I was in > High school it was global cooling from the same causes they are screaming > is causing global warming. Wait 20 years, we'll back to global cooling. > The climate has been changing on its own for centuries. Recycling does > not pay enough to make it worth while, in fact to do it here you have to > pay extra. Why waste money? ==================== While I don't think Global Warming is quite the problem the media is making it out to be, they do tend to pile on and make a huge deal out of the least little thing, I do think we should pay attention to it and try when possible to lighten the load we create. I personally use about 1/10th the energy that Al Gore does in his Tennessee mansion. Yea for me! Where I am sitting right at this moment, was 3,000 feet under the ice 15,000 years ago. We are definitely warming up and have been for a long time. When you look at earth from space, and see all the city lights strung all across Europe, the coasts of America, etc. you begin to think that maybe us little humans might have an effect after all. While the media may very well get it all wrong, true scientists are compiling data, making corrections when it seems the right thing to do, compiling more data, coming up with theories, trying their best to test those theories, adjusting their ideas, the truth will become evident eventually. We recycle every scrap of paper, plastic bottles, aluminum, etc. etc. It's the right thing to do. It does cost money, but most things do these days. And about that pickup not giving an inch, ah. . . well, what you want is a vehicle that does crumple and absorb the impact thus sparing the fragile human occupants as much as possible. Craig is right about the Honda Civic being a safe car. It may not survive the crash but it's occupants have a better chance to. Something to think about. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From jedwards at printzilla.net Fri Jul 13 13:20:49 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Fri Jul 13 13:23:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Prius delivery vehicle In-Reply-To: References: <20070713160004.AD63A996C3B@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <183A7F5A-219A-43BE-AF65-DC12BC82F2EF@printzilla.net> On Jul 13, 2007, at 11:20 AM, Eugene Montanez wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I know we are in California, BUT common sense tells you if you use > less electricity you will use less oil/coal, hence less emissions. Now there was a economics lesson I learned in California! We used so much less electricity in LA County that they had to raise the price per unit to make up for loss in revenue. You sat in the dark with no A/C and the electric bill stayed the same! Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas From pressexpress at bfm.org Fri Jul 13 13:31:56 2007 From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Fri Jul 13 13:32:18 2007 Subject: {Spam?} Re: [PrintOwners] Possible Scam In-Reply-To: <008c01c7c564$14f265a0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <46963804.2010508@charter.net> <008c01c7c564$14f265a0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <205532BA-67F4-499C-9A6C-8BF0C780B45C@bfm.org> Get a credit card number for payment because there is no open account for them, Or better yet, ask for cash?? Sounds fishy Greg On Jul 13, 2007, at 10:39 AM, Charlene Sims wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Tammie, I like you would be leery. At least they are answering you > back. I > have gotten those emails, and asked those questions and never received > answers. The way it is written sounds like a kid doing text > messaging. > That is the way they write. All lower case, short incomplete > sentences. > Could be a legitimate order but just sounds loosy-goosy. > ch > > Charlene Sims > > The Master's Press, Inc > 14550 Midway Road > Dallas, Tx 75244 > 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 > char@themasterspress.com > www.themasterspress.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tammie at > Quickprinters > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:31 AM > To: Printowners List > Subject: [PrintOwners] Possible Scam > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does this type of email look familiar to anyone? I'm sure it is a > scam. > > I Google his name and didn't come up with anything. Is there a way > to report > suspected scams? > > Tammie > > ---------------------------------- > Tammie@MacombPrinter.com > QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS > __________________________________ > 1120 East Jackson Street > Macomb, IL 61455 > 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 > http://www.macombprinter.com > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > ****** > This is the first email we got: > > From: "mike wilson" > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:51:31 -0700 > > HELLO THIS IS REV MIKE WILSON I AM THE OWNER OF THE MIKE $ SON AGAA > C.O I > WILL LIKE TO ORDER SOME OF UR BANNERS TO MY NEW COMPANY I NEED THE > SIZE 3 > INCHES BY 10 INCHES I NEED 100 PIECES OF THAT I WILL LIKE THE > BANNERS TO SAY > (I LOVE YOU ANY WAY ) LETTERING COLOR TO BE IN RED AND TO BE IN > WHITE PLS > CAN U GO AHEAD AND GIVE ME TOTAL PRICE PLUS TAX AND PAYMENT U > ACCEPT I > WILL BE WAIT FOR U SOON. > > THANK YOU > GOD BLESS YOU > > ****** > This is what I sent to him: >>> I need a little more information to get you a price. >>> >>> What kind of material do you want the banners made of? >>> >>> Are they for indoor or outdoor? >>> >>> How will you hang them? >>> >>> What is the address they will ship to? >>> >>> What shipping method do you prefer? >>> >>> When do you need these? >>> >>> Are you sure your size is to be 10 inches x 3 inches? We would >>> not really >>> consider that small of an item a banner. >>> >>> We accept Discover, Mastercard & Visa. >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Tammie > > ********* > This is what he sent back to me: >> Hello Tammie. >> Thank you for the reply.yes they for outdoor i will >> hang > inside >> after i make the payment as soon as the order is ready i have are >> shipping >> company will come for the pick up for me i need this banners by >> 2 weeks > oh >> no the size is 30inches x 60inches i need 100 piece of them pls >> can u go > ahead >> and give me the total price plus tax i will be wait for u soon. >> >> thank you >> god bless you > > > ******** > This is what I sent back to him: >> I still need to know what kind of material you want. >> >> What will be the text for the banners? >> >> Also, where is your company located? >> >> Tammie > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From cahill at bizprint.com Fri Jul 13 13:38:57 2007 From: cahill at bizprint.com (Cahill@bizprint.com) Date: Fri Jul 13 13:38:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Possible Scam In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes it sounds like a scam. Next he will want to send you a check for more than the amount due and for you to send him the extra along with the banners. -- Cahill Jones BizPrint Boise, Idaho > From: Tammie at Quickprinters > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:30:59 -0500 > To: Printowners List > Subject: [PrintOwners] Possible Scam > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does this type of email look familiar to anyone? I'm sure it is a scam. > > I Google his name and didn't come up with anything. Is there a way to report > suspected scams? > > Tammie > > ---------------------------------- > Tammie@MacombPrinter.com > QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS > __________________________________ > 1120 East Jackson Street > Macomb, IL 61455 > 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 > http://www.macombprinter.com > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > ****** > This is the first email we got: > > From: "mike wilson" > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:51:31 -0700 > > HELLO THIS IS REV MIKE WILSON I AM THE OWNER OF THE MIKE $ SON AGAA C.O I > WILL LIKE TO ORDER SOME OF UR BANNERS TO MY NEW COMPANY I NEED THE SIZE 3 > INCHES BY 10 INCHES I NEED 100 PIECES OF THAT I WILL LIKE THE BANNERS TO SAY > (I LOVE YOU ANY WAY ) LETTERING COLOR TO BE IN RED AND TO BE IN WHITE PLS > CAN U GO AHEAD AND GIVE ME TOTAL PRICE PLUS TAX AND PAYMENT U ACCEPT I > WILL BE WAIT FOR U SOON. > > THANK YOU > GOD BLESS YOU > > ****** > This is what I sent to him: >>> I need a little more information to get you a price. >>> >>> What kind of material do you want the banners made of? >>> >>> Are they for indoor or outdoor? >>> >>> How will you hang them? >>> >>> What is the address they will ship to? >>> >>> What shipping method do you prefer? >>> >>> When do you need these? >>> >>> Are you sure your size is to be 10 inches x 3 inches? We would not really >>> consider that small of an item a banner. >>> >>> We accept Discover, Mastercard & Visa. >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Tammie > > ********* > This is what he sent back to me: >> Hello Tammie. >> Thank you for the reply.yes they for outdoor i will hang >> inside >> after i make the payment as soon as the order is ready i have are shipping >> company will come for the pick up for me i need this banners by 2 weeks oh >> no the size is 30inches x 60inches i need 100 piece of them pls can u go >> ahead >> and give me the total price plus tax i will be wait for u soon. >> >> thank you >> god bless you > > > ******** > This is what I sent back to him: >> I still need to know what kind of material you want. >> >> What will be the text for the banners? >> >> Also, where is your company located? >> >> Tammie > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From rstor at copycats.com Fri Jul 13 13:36:30 2007 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Fri Jul 13 13:38:35 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Possible Scam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4697B81E.4040300@copycats.com> Are they based in Nigeria? Get payment up-front in the form of cash or check. Credit card charges can be disputed. Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Tammie at Quickprinters wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does this type of email look familiar to anyone? I'm sure it is a scam. > > I Google his name and didn't come up with anything. Is there a way to report > suspected scams? > > Tammie > > ---------------------------------- > Tammie@MacombPrinter.com > QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS > __________________________________ > 1120 East Jackson Street > Macomb, IL 61455 > 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 > http://www.macombprinter.com > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > ****** > This is the first email we got: > > From: "mike wilson" > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:51:31 -0700 > > HELLO THIS IS REV MIKE WILSON I AM THE OWNER OF THE MIKE $ SON AGAA C.O I > WILL LIKE TO ORDER SOME OF UR BANNERS TO MY NEW COMPANY I NEED THE SIZE 3 > INCHES BY 10 INCHES I NEED 100 PIECES OF THAT I WILL LIKE THE BANNERS TO SAY > (I LOVE YOU ANY WAY ) LETTERING COLOR TO BE IN RED AND TO BE IN WHITE PLS > CAN U GO AHEAD AND GIVE ME TOTAL PRICE PLUS TAX AND PAYMENT U ACCEPT I > WILL BE WAIT FOR U SOON. > > THANK YOU > GOD BLESS YOU > > ****** > This is what I sent to him: > >>> I need a little more information to get you a price. >>> >>> What kind of material do you want the banners made of? >>> >>> Are they for indoor or outdoor? >>> >>> How will you hang them? >>> >>> What is the address they will ship to? >>> >>> What shipping method do you prefer? >>> >>> When do you need these? >>> >>> Are you sure your size is to be 10 inches x 3 inches? We would not really >>> consider that small of an item a banner. >>> >>> We accept Discover, Mastercard & Visa. >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Tammie >>> > > ********* > This is what he sent back to me: > >> Hello Tammie. >> Thank you for the reply.yes they for outdoor i will hang inside >> after i make the payment as soon as the order is ready i have are shipping >> company will come for the pick up for me i need this banners by 2 weeks oh >> no the size is 30inches x 60inches i need 100 piece of them pls can u go ahead >> and give me the total price plus tax i will be wait for u soon. >> >> thank you >> god bless you >> > > > ******** > This is what I sent back to him: > >> I still need to know what kind of material you want. >> >> What will be the text for the banners? >> >> Also, where is your company located? >> >> Tammie >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From prtquick at eos.net Fri Jul 13 14:17:37 2007 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Fri Jul 13 13:52:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Prius delivery vehicle ? In-Reply-To: <46979B90.8060509@sbcglobal.net> References: <20070713151503.62A8F996635@rb.enter.net> <46979B90.8060509@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <88efd9164edfff8e247f822956715641@eos.net> I had someone rearended in my F150 last year. No damage to my truck. He hit me right in the towing package. His grill didn't look too good, though. I haven't even used the hitch (it was already on the one I bought) but I like it! Maybe I need to get one of those little propellers. Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit us in our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing On Jul 13, 2007, at 11:34 AM, Dennis W. Ewing Sr wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have the towing package and keep the trailer ball in the receiver. I > was hit about this time last year and it did maybe 75.00 in scratches > to the back bumper and 14,000 in medical between me and my daughter. > It totaled the Corolla that hit us. The truck did not give an inch. I > probably would still have had the medical in any other vehicle, but > would have had to deal with getting the vehicle repaired also. I was > hit last month at low speed. (Moron on the phone with her sister > complaining about the traffic) and got some white paint on the trailer > ball. Probably did 2000 damage to the Taurus. No injury that time > thank God. Experiences like that are why I plan on keeping the truck. > The insurance folks don't test them with trailer hitches. They test > the basic configuration. I really think the hitch adds a little safety > as well as being handy when the Scouts need a trailer hauled > somewhere. > > Dennis W. Ewing Sr > Ewing and Sons Printing > 12000 Crownpoint, #130 > San Antonio, TX 78233 > dennisewing@sbcglobal.net > ewingandsons@sbcglobal.net > > > > Craig Dellinger wrote: >> >> The thing that really can freak you out when looking for a car is >> studying >> the crash tests. Both the Insurance Institute and Government sites. I >> did a >> lot of research before we got our 16 year old son a car. It's amazing >> seeing >> the results of the tests. Side airbags make a HUGE difference in >> survivability or even just being injured. We ended up getting a new >> Honda >> Civic for him. If you believe the Insurance Institute crash tests, >> you'd >> rather be rear ended in the Civic than a full size pickup truck. >> That's why >> we ended up biting the bullet and purchasing a new vehicle for a new >> driver. >> I couldn't know the test results and put him in a vehicle that he'd >> be more >> likely to be hurt in a crash. >> http://www.iihs.org/ratings/summary.aspx?class=70 >> >> Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy >> 7531 US 930 East >> Fort Wayne, IN 46803 >> 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 >> www.newhavenprint.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From slb at inkspot.net Fri Jul 13 14:00:35 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Fri Jul 13 14:00:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Prius delivery vehicle ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46978583.6250.24864158@slb.inkspot.net> A friend, who happens to teach physics at Old Dominion U., puts it very nicely when he says that an electric car is not a "zero- emissions" vehicle, it's an "emissions-elsewhere" vehicle. I'm always amazed by the ability of the religious enviromentalists, most of whom have only minimal scientific literacy, to believe the most outlandish claims, if they happen to coincide with their "religious" beliefs. (I've taken the liberty of referring to the kind of environmentalist who's beliefs are maintained independently of scientific data to the contrary, as a "religious environmentalist", because those beliefs are indistinguishable from a religion.) Electric vehicles require batteries. Those batteries are pretty nasty to manufacture, and even more so to dispose of. They're also quite expensive to replace, and must be replaced at regular intervals. For example, those little, single passenger, all electric commuting cars need their batteries replaced every 15,000 miles or so, at a cost per mile that brings the cost of operation of that vehicle to about the same as that of an ordinary compact car. The hybrid vehcles have the worst of both worlds. Not only do they require batteries (those in the Prius are due to be replaced every 100,000 miles--note that this coincides with the length of the warranty), they require two propulsion systems, and all of the controls for the interactions between them. I guess most Prius owners are either ignorant of the data, or are willing to pay a premium, in both cash and environmental impact, to feel good about themselves when talking with others who are equally scientifically illiterate. I see similar scientific illiteracy on display regularly, in both the "environmental" and "global warming" crowd, but don't get me started there.... Steve (My qualifications for what you may perceive as arrogance about scientific and engineering literacy include Bachelor's degrees in both Biology and Electrical Engineering from M.I.T. Don't ask why I'm in the printing business unless both of us have way too much time on our hands....) > > > It seems the Prius is not quite as environmental as we are led to > believe. It wears out it's special low rolling resistance tires in > 16000 miles compared to around 45,000 miles for a Corolla. It causes > more pollution in its dust to dust life cycle than a regular car - > they reckon you may be doing less harm with a Hummer. The nickel they > use in the batteries is bad stuff plus they have to manufacture two > engines. Check it out here - CNW Research > http://cnwmr.com/nss-folder/automotiveenergy > > They reckon the Scion xBs offers best gas mileage. Don't know what > that is as we don't get them here in OZ. > > >High mpg delivery: we make most pickup and deliveries in our VW Golf > >TDI and it is running on recycled waste vegetable oil. Going to add > >a Prius next year. > > Harry > > -- > Harry Brelsford > > Varsity Graphics > Shop 2 - 195 Varsity Parade > Varsity Lakes QLD 4227 > Australia > Ph: 61 7 5575 9417 > Fax: 61 7 5575 8091 > Harry@VarsityGraphics.com.au > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2397 (20070713) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From prtquick at eos.net Fri Jul 13 14:30:49 2007 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Fri Jul 13 14:05:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Prius delivery vehicle In-Reply-To: References: <20070713160004.AD63A996C3B@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <64f2af92e7d3ca143bc83fb730cd944d@eos.net> Don't you think Californians use less electricity because much of your climate is temperate and you don't have to heat and cool your houses as much as we do here in Ohio?! My new building dose not cost much more to heat & cool than my old storefront (and it is twice as big) probably because of the new efficient boiler and AC units. We also use programmable thermostats. I am really surprised. We have a 'free' paper recycling bin that benefits my kid's parochial school; and we cut down our dumpster pickup to twice a month. Certainly we should all pray, recycle, conserve energy, quit smoking, drive responsibly, save for retirement and insulate - what are you heathens?? (and yeah...we are totally underwhelmed with our PT Cruiser mileage too. I deliver in my big safe truck) Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit us in our new location! 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Printing On Jul 13, 2007, at 12:20 PM, Eugene Montanez wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I know we are in California, BUT common sense tells you if you use > less electricity you will use less oil/coal, hence less emissions. > In our valley we couldn't see across it 20 years ago, now you can and > we have not had a Level 1 smog alert in years, we used to have them > weekly, if not more often. > > California residents use 1/2 the electricity of other areas of the > country per person, partly because we have been doing this longer than > most and yes some of us are crazy, but that's another story. We do > have the most liberal politicians as well as the most conservative! > > A few years ago, in our old building, we went thru and did a number of > items to reduce our power consumption, using electronic ballast on our > fluorescent lights, fans, etc. We reduced our power bill by 30%! > > COMMON SENSE, not tree hugging! I got to pocket the 30% savings. > > Could a Prius use more energy over its lifespan than a F150, possibly, > but I can have someone make statistics pretty much say anything I > want at any time. I have gotten lousy mileage out of 40,000 mile tires > and long life out of 20,000 mile tires, alot depends on sooo many > factors. > > We are looking at getting a Prius for our in-town deliveries because > those are the bulk of our deliveries. But I do know our PT Cruiser > gets lousy intown mileage, especially for a 4 cylinder. > > Crazy in California > > > > On Jul 13, 2007, at 9:00 AM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > >> Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Prius delivery vehicle ? >> To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" >> >> Message-ID: <20070713154348.345969969DC@rb.enter.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> >>> I have the towing package and keep the trailer ball in the >>> receiver. I was hit about this time last year and it did >>> maybe 75.00 in scratches to the back bumper and 14,000 in >>> medical between me and my daughter. It totaled the Corolla >>> that hit us. The truck did not give an inch. I probably would >>> still have had the medical in any other vehicle, but would >>> have had to deal with getting the vehicle repaired also. I >>> was hit last month at low speed. (Moron on the phone with her >>> sister complaining about the traffic) and got some white >>> paint on the trailer ball. >> >> The key to safety is having the vehicle take and absorb the impact. >> Most >> modern cars are designed to crumple under impact. Makes a mess of the >> cars, >> but helps retain the integrity of the passenger compartment. Just >> like race >> cars. Those things pretty much blow apart under impact, but the driver >> (usually) walks away. I'm not totally convinced on all the test >> results. >> It's just another thing to think about. Common sense would make you >> think >> you'd be much safer in a large vehicle. > > Eugene Montanez > ZAP Printing & Graphics > 127 Radio Rd > Corona, CA 92879 > 951-734-8181 > > Zapit@zapcolor.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From slb at inkspot.net Fri Jul 13 14:29:10 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Fri Jul 13 14:29:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Prius delivery vehicle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <46978C36.14515.24A06D9B@slb.inkspot.net> John, The issue with solar cells has more to do with the lifetime costs of the power generation than the space needed to do it. Photovoltaic panels are nasty to manufacture (think "semiconductors", if you understand that process), have a limited lifetime (think 5 years for amorphous cells, longer for crystalline), and are easy to damage (think "a rock through a window"). The lifetime monetary cost per kwh for photovoltaics is higher than nuclear, and it wouldn't surprise me to find that the environmental costs were higher. Of course, once we start using photovoltaics at that scale, innovation will take a bite out of the costs, so I really can't say where we'll end up. For now, though, there's a reason that photovoltaics are only used in specialized applications (think remote cabins, traffic-monitoring cameras, train signals in remote areas, NASA, cross-ocean sailing, etc.), by dedicated fanatics, or where subisdized by the government. Now, I disagree with you on disbanding Congress (and we'd probably disagree about which half to shoot), but I like the part about electrifying the Rio Grande.... Steve > Well, if I was President I would first disband Congress and then I would > take one or two of our lessor used and populated states like Nevada or Colorado > and just cover them entirely with Solar Cells. Hey, there are other places to > gamble and ski so it isn't that big a deal and I think most Americans would > go for it, but I really wouldn't care.... I would be the "decider" and make > the rules. If folks wanted to live beneath the solar cells that would be fine, > but we would use 90% of just one or two of these states and use them to > generate electricity for the rest of the country. > > We could consider other states like ND or SD but I'm not sure how much sun > they get year around. New Mexico is a possibility but all the illegal aliens > crossing over every day would probably vandalize the solar cells.... then > again, if we really do the solar cell thing right in Nevada and Colorado we could > probably generate enough excess electricity to allow us to electrify the > entire Rio Grande River and that would help solve another big problem. Anyone > attempting to cross the river by swimming or wading would be immediately > electrocuted, which would be a permanent solution at least for them..... > > I have other ideas for generating more power and solving immigration > problems, but they would be considered too controversial! > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2397 (20070713) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From QKCONSULT at aol.com Fri Jul 13 14:40:45 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Fri Jul 13 14:40:52 2007 Subject: Ok, no solar! Re: [PrintOwners] Re: Prius delivery vehicle Message-ID: In a message dated 7/13/2007 2:30:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, slb@inkspot.net writes: Photovoltaic panels are nasty to manufacture (think "semiconductors", if you understand that process), have a limited lifetime (think 5 years for amorphous cells, longer for crystalline), and are easy to damage (think "a rock through a window"). The lifetime monetary cost per kwh for photovoltaics is higher than nuclear, and it wouldn't surprise me to find that the environmental costs were higher. Of course, once we start using photovoltaics at that scale, innovation will take a bite out of the costs, I knew it, I knew it.... someone with some actual real facts would shoot down my idea about covering all of Nevada and Colorado with solar panels.... Ok then, what about building one huge nuclear power plant in the middle of Nevada, one big enough to power the entire country and we evacuate everyone in a 500 mile radius (except for the highly paid people who will work there).... Ok, so what is the worse thing that can happen? A total melt-down, where the core heats up to a billion degrees and bores a hole all the way through the earth? I don't have a globe in front of me so I can quite figure out where on the opposite side of the earth it will burn through but no big deal.... Watch it be New Zealand or Australia or something! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From tammie at macombprinter.com Fri Jul 13 14:58:38 2007 From: tammie at macombprinter.com (Tammie at Quickprinters) Date: Fri Jul 13 15:01:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Possible Scam In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Yes it sounds like a scam. Next he will want to send you a check for more > than the amount due and for you to send him the extra along with the > banners. I think I've scared him off. After I was pretty insistent on knowing his location, he hasn't emailed me. I should have said, "With all the internet scams out there, we have to know this information." Thanks, Tammie Tammie Speer, owner **************** Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ______________________________ QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS 1120 East Jackson Street ? Macomb, IL 61455 ? 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com/ A Vinyl Sign Business will fit well in your print shop! Want to know how to add a new Profit Center? http://www.SignShopinaPrintShop.com/ Or call for a FREE CD full of information. ______________________________ From huntleyw at bellsouth.net Fri Jul 13 16:07:01 2007 From: huntleyw at bellsouth.net (Bill Huntley) Date: Fri Jul 13 15:05:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Possible Scam References: Message-ID: <002301c7c589$61295a80$e8e40641@bills4drj3ddzy> This is absolutly a scam. First giveaway is the all caps text. Delete at first opportunity. Bill Huntley Universal Copies Columbia, SC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cahill@bizprint.com" To: "PrintOwners" Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Possible Scam > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Yes it sounds like a scam. Next he will want to send you a check for more > than the amount due and for you to send him the extra along with the > banners. > -- > Cahill Jones > BizPrint > Boise, Idaho > > > > > From: Tammie at Quickprinters > > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > > > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:30:59 -0500 > > To: Printowners List > > Subject: [PrintOwners] Possible Scam > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Does this type of email look familiar to anyone? I'm sure it is a scam. > > > > I Google his name and didn't come up with anything. Is there a way to report > > suspected scams? > > > > Tammie > > > > ---------------------------------- > > Tammie@MacombPrinter.com > > QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS > > __________________________________ > > 1120 East Jackson Street > > Macomb, IL 61455 > > 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 > > http://www.macombprinter.com > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > > > ****** > > This is the first email we got: > > > > From: "mike wilson" > > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:51:31 -0700 > > > > HELLO THIS IS REV MIKE WILSON I AM THE OWNER OF THE MIKE $ SON AGAA C.O I > > WILL LIKE TO ORDER SOME OF UR BANNERS TO MY NEW COMPANY I NEED THE SIZE 3 > > INCHES BY 10 INCHES I NEED 100 PIECES OF THAT I WILL LIKE THE BANNERS TO SAY > > (I LOVE YOU ANY WAY ) LETTERING COLOR TO BE IN RED AND TO BE IN WHITE PLS > > CAN U GO AHEAD AND GIVE ME TOTAL PRICE PLUS TAX AND PAYMENT U ACCEPT I > > WILL BE WAIT FOR U SOON. > > > > THANK YOU > > GOD BLESS YOU > > > > ****** > > This is what I sent to him: > >>> I need a little more information to get you a price. > >>> > >>> What kind of material do you want the banners made of? > >>> > >>> Are they for indoor or outdoor? > >>> > >>> How will you hang them? > >>> > >>> What is the address they will ship to? > >>> > >>> What shipping method do you prefer? > >>> > >>> When do you need these? > >>> > >>> Are you sure your size is to be 10 inches x 3 inches? We would not really > >>> consider that small of an item a banner. > >>> > >>> We accept Discover, Mastercard & Visa. > >>> > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Tammie > > > > ********* > > This is what he sent back to me: > >> Hello Tammie. > >> Thank you for the reply.yes they for outdoor i will hang > >> inside > >> after i make the payment as soon as the order is ready i have are shipping > >> company will come for the pick up for me i need this banners by 2 weeks oh > >> no the size is 30inches x 60inches i need 100 piece of them pls can u go > >> ahead > >> and give me the total price plus tax i will be wait for u soon. > >> > >> thank you > >> god bless you > > > > > > ******** > > This is what I sent back to him: > >> I still need to know what kind of material you want. > >> > >> What will be the text for the banners? > >> > >> Also, where is your company located? > >> > >> Tammie > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From cledonne at verizon.net Fri Jul 13 15:13:16 2007 From: cledonne at verizon.net (Christopher Z. LeDonne) Date: Fri Jul 13 15:14:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Clip Art In-Reply-To: <20070219152407.4E2586D628D@rb.enter.net> References: <20070219152407.4E2586D628D@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Looking for a on-line source for clip art eps files and vector -- Thanks Christopher Z. LeDonne Prince Printing & Custom Screen Printing 517 St. Clair Ave. Clairton, PA 15025 412-233-3555 From bgallagher at nbn.net Fri Jul 13 15:20:49 2007 From: bgallagher at nbn.net (Bob Gallagher) Date: Fri Jul 13 15:20:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Clip Art In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7/13/07 3:13 PM, "Christopher Z. LeDonne" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Looking for a on-line source for clip art > eps files and vector Clipart.com Bob Gallagher Gallagher Printing, Inc. 601 W. Main Street Palmyra, PA 17078 717-838-1527 1-888-838-1527 Fax 717-838-5715 An Adobe Service Provider A Microsoft Publisher Provider Member, Adobe Solutions Network From tufelkinder at gmail.com Fri Jul 13 15:23:58 2007 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Fri Jul 13 15:24:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Clip Art In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <84f70d5e0707131223l18538757i496f2bd2d4983c0e@mail.gmail.com> http://istock.com Walt Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA http://mercersburg.net 800-955-3902 tufelkinder@gmail.com -~ Only the mediocre are always at their best. -- Jean Giraudoux From armand at curryonline.com Fri Jul 13 15:26:56 2007 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Fri Jul 13 15:27:18 2007 Subject: Ok, no solar! Re: [PrintOwners] Re: Prius delivery vehicle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0MKp8S-1I9QnF27WB-0002sQ@mrelay.perfora.net> John, When handed lemons, make lemonade. In the case of a total meltdown, couldn't we use the hole that was bored as an expressway to wherever it leads? Think "Chunnel". And wit all that radioactivity, we won't need to run any heat in the vehicles. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 2:41 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Ok, no solar! Re: [PrintOwners] Re: Prius delivery vehicle ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 7/13/2007 2:30:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, slb@inkspot.net writes: Photovoltaic panels are nasty to manufacture (think "semiconductors", if you understand that process), have a limited lifetime (think 5 years for amorphous cells, longer for crystalline), and are easy to damage (think "a rock through a window"). The lifetime monetary cost per kwh for photovoltaics is higher than nuclear, and it wouldn't surprise me to find that the environmental costs were higher. Of course, once we start using photovoltaics at that scale, innovation will take a bite out of the costs, I knew it, I knew it.... someone with some actual real facts would shoot down my idea about covering all of Nevada and Colorado with solar panels.... Ok then, what about building one huge nuclear power plant in the middle of Nevada, one big enough to power the entire country and we evacuate everyone in a 500 mile radius (except for the highly paid people who will work there).... Ok, so what is the worse thing that can happen? A total melt-down, where the core heats up to a billion degrees and bores a hole all the way through the earth? I don't have a globe in front of me so I can quite figure out where on the opposite side of the earth it will burn through but no big deal.... Watch it be New Zealand or Australia or something! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpurvine1 at cox.net Fri Jul 13 15:31:51 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Fri Jul 13 15:31:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Clip Art In-Reply-To: References: <20070219152407.4E2586D628D@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <00f001c7c584$76c2c7a0$0300a8c0@corapurvine> I use IStock. You pay for the photos as you need them. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Z. LeDonne Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 2:13 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Clip Art ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Looking for a on-line source for clip art eps files and vector -- Thanks Christopher Z. LeDonne Prince Printing & Custom Screen Printing 517 St. Clair Ave. Clairton, PA 15025 412-233-3555 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2397 (20070713) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From jedwards at printzilla.net Fri Jul 13 15:39:33 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Fri Jul 13 15:42:12 2007 Subject: Ok, no solar! Re: [PrintOwners] Re: Prius delivery vehicle In-Reply-To: <0MKp8S-1I9QnF27WB-0002sQ@mrelay.perfora.net> References: <0MKp8S-1I9QnF27WB-0002sQ@mrelay.perfora.net> Message-ID: <012D8DAA-6D4A-4767-AE2C-78EAA84A9D8E@printzilla.net> On Jul 13, 2007, at 2:26 PM, Armand Girard wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > John, > > When handed lemons, make lemonade. In the case of a total meltdown, > couldn't > we use the hole that was bored as an expressway to wherever it > leads? Think > "Chunnel". And wit all that radioactivity, we won't need to run any > heat in > the vehicles. > Reebus Caneebus jumped through that hole in the center of the earth! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everything_You_Know_Is_Wrong Jack Edwards Ok Ridge North, Texas From russ at mobile-print.com Fri Jul 13 16:44:13 2007 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Fri Jul 13 15:46:38 2007 Subject: Ok, no solar! Re: [PrintOwners] Re: Prius delivery vehicle In-Reply-To: <0MKp8S-1I9QnF27WB-0002sQ@mrelay.perfora.net> References: <0MKp8S-1I9QnF27WB-0002sQ@mrelay.perfora.net> Message-ID: <4697E41D.6050706@mobile-print.com> > > When handed lemons, make lemonade. In the case of a total meltdown, couldn't > we use the hole that was bored as an expressway to wherever it leads? Think > "Chunnel". And wit all that radioactivity, we won't need to run any heat in > the vehicles. > > Such a hole would also make a nifty place to dump all our trash since the landfills are getting filled up! Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847-398-6155 Fax: 847-398-0788 From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Fri Jul 13 15:45:12 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Fri Jul 13 15:47:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Clip Art In-Reply-To: <20070713192718.B8C70998099@rb.enter.net> References: <20070713192718.B8C70998099@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <9b58e8890c3728f346d6b5f9ba1614eb@sheergraphics.com> >> Looking for a on-line source for clip art >> eps files and vector Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From John at mpcny.com Fri Jul 13 15:50:59 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Fri Jul 13 15:51:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printblogger is here In-Reply-To: <20070713192718.E3AB799809C@rb.enter.net> References: <20070713192718.E3AB799809C@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <000801c7c587$2304c340$690e49c0$@com> I have reached a new ream of notoriety (infamy) and am not only been quoted in the US publications, but just today in the UK. In fact I was even asked to write for some web ezines. I hope John S does not spit to much coffee his keyboard. Since I have become such a well known and respected author, I am have now started one the first of it's kind printblogs. www.mpcny.com/printblogger Come check it out and leave a comment. In truth is a test to keep my content fresh and my website dynamic. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/897 - Release Date: 7/11/2007 9:57 PM From carole at wordcatering.com Fri Jul 13 16:16:39 2007 From: carole at wordcatering.com (Carole M. Rike) Date: Fri Jul 13 16:16:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printblogger is here In-Reply-To: <000801c7c587$2304c340$690e49c0$@com> References: <20070713192718.E3AB799809C@rb.enter.net> <000801c7c587$2304c340$690e49c0$@com> Message-ID: <00b801c7c58a$b8b5cf30$6501a8c0@carol3ceeaab4a> Brilliant! Carole M. Rike Word Catering, Ltd. PRINTING SOLUTIONS 48299 Stafford Road . Tickfaw, LA 70466 - I have reached a new ream of notoriety (infamy) and am not only been quoted in the US publications, but just today in the UK. In fact I was even asked to write for some web ezines. I hope John S does not spit to much coffee his keyboard. Since I have become such a well known and respected author, I am have now started one the first of it's kind printblogs. www.mpcny.com/printblogger C From QKCONSULT at aol.com Fri Jul 13 16:27:07 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Fri Jul 13 16:27:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printblogger is here Message-ID: In a message dated 7/13/2007 3:52:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, John@mpcny.com writes: I have reached a new ream of notoriety (infamy) John, Yes, I spit out half a protein shake all over my screen upon reading your announcement about creating a blog in which you will be quoting yourself frequently? You are the only guy I know who cannot pen six words in a row without having at least one misspelling. Surely you meant "realm" instead of ream. Yes, I know they are close to each other in the dictionary but that doesn't count! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From joe at calagaz.com Fri Jul 13 16:28:06 2007 From: joe at calagaz.com (Joe Calagaz) Date: Fri Jul 13 16:29:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Stitching a book (with thread not wire) Message-ID: I am looking to stitch (or sew might be a better word) a book on one edge. If you think of a the way a DocuTech double edge stitches a book, instead of the two staples you would sew the length of the book with some type of thread?????? I can send a picture if needed...... Joe Calagaz Calagaz Digital Printing Mobile, AL 36606 251-478-0487 From slb at inkspot.net Fri Jul 13 16:32:06 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Fri Jul 13 16:32:15 2007 Subject: Ok, no solar! Re: [PrintOwners] Re: Prius delivery vehicle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4697A906.15359.2510FA0D@slb.inkspot.net> John, I'm less sure about this one, but I think there's an economical scale for current-technology nukes that's around 1000 megawatts per reactor. Also, the losses inherent in long-distance power transmission point in the direction of distributed generation, rather than everything in one location. Finally, although I realize you're message is about half in jest, it might be worth noting that, despite the controllers doing almost the exact opposite of what they should have during the "incident," the Three Mile Island reactor did NOT even begin to melt its way through the earth, there was no significant release of radioactivity from the containment, and none of the employees racked up any significant dosages of radiation. In other words, while it's easy to joke about the "risks" of nuclear generating stations, those jokes do not represent the reality embodied in NRC-regulated generating stations. Steve > I knew it, I knew it.... someone with some actual real facts would shoot > down my idea about covering all of Nevada and Colorado with solar panels.... Ok > then, what about building one huge nuclear power plant in the middle of > Nevada, one big enough to power the entire country and we evacuate everyone in a > 500 mile radius (except for the highly paid people who will work there).... Ok, > so what is the worse thing that can happen? A total melt-down, where the > core heats up to a billion degrees and bores a hole all the way through the > earth? I don't have a globe in front of me so I can quite figure out where on the > opposite side of the earth it will burn through but no big deal.... Watch it > be New Zealand or Australia or something! > > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2397 (20070713) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From QKCONSULT at aol.com Fri Jul 13 16:42:33 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Fri Jul 13 16:42:52 2007 Subject: OFF Re: Ok, no solar! Re: [PrintOwners] Re: Prius delivery vehicle Message-ID: In a message dated 7/13/2007 4:33:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, slb@inkspot.net writes: Finally, although I realize you're message is about half in jest, it might be worth noting that, despite the controllers doing almost the exact opposite of what they should have during the "incident," the Three Mile Island reactor did NOT even begin to melt its way through the earth, there was no significant release of radioactivity Dear Steve, Once I set up my country and establish my Army and become the official "decider," you are going to be "persona non grata" and will not be allowed to enter the country. Your negativity and opposition to what I consider to be almost brilliant ideas for solving both energy and immigration problems astounds me. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From gamble at choiceonemail.com Fri Jul 13 16:58:13 2007 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Fri Jul 13 16:58:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printblogger is here In-Reply-To: <00b801c7c58a$b8b5cf30$6501a8c0@carol3ceeaab4a> References: <20070713192718.E3AB799809C@rb.enter.net><000801c7c587$2304c340$690e49c0$@com> <00b801c7c58a$b8b5cf30$6501a8c0@carol3ceeaab4a> Message-ID: <010e01c7c590$87db09b0$0301a8c0@RICK> Very well done John. Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. Buffalo NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Carole M. Rike Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 4:17 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Printblogger is here ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Brilliant! Carole M. Rike Word Catering, Ltd. PRINTING SOLUTIONS 48299 Stafford Road . Tickfaw, LA 70466 - I have reached a new ream of notoriety (infamy) and am not only been quoted in the US publications, but just today in the UK. In fact I was even asked to write for some web ezines. I hope John S does not spit to much coffee his keyboard. Since I have become such a well known and respected author, I am have now started one the first of it's kind printblogs. www.mpcny.com/printblogger C _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From gailscott at eos.net Fri Jul 13 16:56:15 2007 From: gailscott at eos.net (Gail & Scott Finke) Date: Fri Jul 13 17:16:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Possible Scam In-Reply-To: <002301c7c589$61295a80$e8e40641@bills4drj3ddzy> Message-ID: on 7/13/07 4:07 PM, Bill Huntley at huntleyw@bellsouth.net wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > This is absolutly a scam. First giveaway is the all caps text. Delete at > first opportunity. I think it's probably a scam too, but on the other hand... I do our church newsletter and OUR pastor uses all caps does not use a "sig" line with any contact information. So it could be for real. Why not ask him to come in and discuss the details? Gail Finke ----------------- Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 513-522-2679 info@brentwood-printing.com From huntleyw at bellsouth.net Fri Jul 13 18:53:00 2007 From: huntleyw at bellsouth.net (Bill Huntley) Date: Fri Jul 13 17:52:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Possible Scam References: Message-ID: <003701c7c5a0$910c9a70$a5e10641@bills4drj3ddzy> and OUR pastor uses all caps does not use a "sig" line with any contact information. So it could be for real. And have you not gently reminded your Pastor that using all caps is considered a form of yelling? And, I believe, harder to read? Bill Huntley Universal Copies Columbia, SC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail & Scott Finke" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Possible Scam > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > on 7/13/07 4:07 PM, Bill Huntley at huntleyw@bellsouth.net wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > This is absolutly a scam. First giveaway is the all caps text. Delete at > > first opportunity. > > > I think it's probably a scam too, but on the other hand... I do our church > newsletter and OUR pastor uses all caps does not use a "sig" line with any > contact information. So it could be for real. > > Why not ask him to come in and discuss the details? > > > > Gail Finke > ----------------- > Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. > 8630 Winton Road > Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 > 513-522-2679 > info@brentwood-printing.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From slb at inkspot.net Fri Jul 13 18:02:34 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Fri Jul 13 18:02:41 2007 Subject: OFF Re: Ok, no solar! Re: [PrintOwners] Re: Prius delivery vehicle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4697BE3A.6501.2563C970@slb.inkspot.net> Actually, John, I like the immigration solution. It was almost as good as the one I saw one the other day that suggested digging a moat along our southern border, using the dirt to fix the problem in New Orleans (either raising the levees or filling in the low spots--I don't remember which), and moving Florida's alligator population to the moat. That one takes care of three problems at once.... Steve > > > > In a message dated 7/13/2007 4:33:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > slb@inkspot.net writes: > > Finally, although I realize you're > message is about half in jest, it might be worth noting that, despite > the controllers doing almost the exact opposite of what they should > have during the "incident," the Three Mile Island reactor did NOT > even begin to melt its way through the earth, there was no > significant release of radioactivity > > > Dear Steve, > > Once I set up my country and establish my Army and become the official > "decider," you are going to be "persona non grata" and will not be allowed to > enter the country. Your negativity and opposition to what I consider to be almost > brilliant ideas for solving both energy and immigration problems astounds > me. > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2397 (20070713) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au Fri Jul 13 20:48:51 2007 From: Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au (Harry Brelsford) Date: Fri Jul 13 21:06:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF - Peddling for Power In-Reply-To: <4697BE3A.6501.2563C970@slb.inkspot.net> References: <4697BE3A.6501.2563C970@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: Your posts are like a think tank and have given me a great idea for solving a whole heap of problems - energy, obesity, unemployment, illegal immigration and the medical crisis. It's called "Peddling for Power". I have taken out worldwide rights on the name. Start a chain of gymnasiums with electricity generating exercise bikes instead of those that blow air. Instead of paying to go to the gym we pay the "customers" per kilowatt of electricity generated - about 10% of what we charge the electricity company for feeding the stuff back into the power grid. John could help us work out the numbers. There would be an extra bonus per pound for weight reduction - have not figured that one out yet. Anybody claiming unemployment would need to earn it by peddling for power. I think we could get some government incentives here too which would add some icing to the cake. Illegal immigrants would need to do two years or generate x amount of kilowatts to earn their right to stay. Peddling for Power would also help keep the nation fit, healthy and productive - therby helping solve the medical crisis. We would print certificates for power generated - on recycled paper. Politicians and pop stars who push the global warming barrow could prove how genuine they are by peddling for power. This would also help reduce massive amounts of hot air. I am looking for venture capital. Harry -- Harry Brelsford Varsity Graphics Shop 2 - 195 Varsity Parade Varsity Lakes QLD 4227 Australia Ph: 61 7 5575 9417 Fax: 61 7 5575 8091 Harry@VarsityGraphics.com.au From zapit at zapcolor.com Sat Jul 14 00:33:03 2007 From: zapit at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez) Date: Sat Jul 14 00:36:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Electronic ballists In-Reply-To: <20070713172331.9149399743E@rb.enter.net> References: <20070713172331.9149399743E@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: If you have flourescent fixtures older than about 3-5 years, you may have the older, heavy wire transformers. They use a ton of power, and get real hot. Most of those fixtures are 4 lights per 2x4 fixture. The newer ones, here in CA are 3 lamp and usually 32 watt vs. 40 watt per tube. The ballist can be changed in the older units, we replaced one ballist per 4 lamp fixture, 64 watt vs 40x4 before(160 watt). You could replace both ballists per unit, but most areas you can get by w/ 2 lamps. We also used the 5000 degree bulbs to be color correct. You can do the work yourself, but we did have an electrician do the work. You need to remove the ones you don't use lamps with or wire around them because they use power lamp or not. By doing that and not running the a/c until needed, using fans, we reduced power bill by 30% On Jul 13, 2007, at 10:23 AM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > > Could you tell me what the difference between an electronic ballast > and > whatever kind it was you had before? Or possibly direct me to > information on > the subject? > > We have the kind that you'd better replace as soon as the bulb > burns out or > you'll have to replace the ballast. Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com From noel.alford at gmail.com Sat Jul 14 10:02:16 2007 From: noel.alford at gmail.com (Noel Alford) Date: Sat Jul 14 10:02:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Possible Scam In-Reply-To: <003701c7c5a0$910c9a70$a5e10641@bills4drj3ddzy> References: <003701c7c5a0$910c9a70$a5e10641@bills4drj3ddzy> Message-ID: <82db7cdd0707140702m472e840bmb3af8ceee9e8300a@mail.gmail.com> There are some people who have trouble reading on the computer screen and they will use all caps because it is easier...... On 7/13/07, Bill Huntley wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > and OUR pastor uses all caps does not use a "sig" line with any > contact information. So it could be for real. > > And have you not gently reminded your Pastor that using all caps is > considered a form of yelling? And, I believe, harder to read? > > Bill Huntley > Universal Copies > Columbia, SC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gail & Scott Finke" > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 3:56 PM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Possible Scam > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > on 7/13/07 4:07 PM, Bill Huntley at huntleyw@bellsouth.net wrote: > > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > > This is absolutly a scam. First giveaway is the all caps text. Delete > at > > > first opportunity. > > > > > > I think it's probably a scam too, but on the other hand... I do our > church > > newsletter and OUR pastor uses all caps does not use a "sig" line with > any > > contact information. So it could be for real. > > > > Why not ask him to come in and discuss the details? > > > > > > > > Gail Finke > > ----------------- > > Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. > > 8630 Winton Road > > Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 > > 513-522-2679 > > info@brentwood-printing.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Noel Alford The Document Imaging Group 401 East Capitol Street Suite 400 Jackson, MS 39201 601.948.1101 From robin at protypeonline.com Sat Jul 14 10:18:35 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Sat Jul 14 10:18:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Internet Explorer & Macs Message-ID: <10D8C602-1508-4BE2-9EBC-EEC027AA7BCF@protypeonline.com> question for all you computer geniuses.....why does IE open on my MacBook Pro? It is a windows program and it opens for me under the mac operating system! ???? robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From k_graham at hotmail.com Sat Jul 14 12:23:52 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Sat Jul 14 12:24:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Electronic ballists References: <20070713172331.9149399743E@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: > If you have flourescent fixtures older than about 3-5 years, you may have > the older, heavy wire transformers. > They use a ton of power, and get real hot. Most of those fixtures are 4 > lights per 2x4 fixture. > The newer ones, here in CA are 3 lamp and usually 32 watt vs. 40 watt per > tube. > The ballist can be changed in the older units, we replaced one ballist > per 4 lamp fixture, 64 watt vs 40x4 before(160 watt). You could replace > both ballists per unit, but most areas you can get by w/ 2 lamps. We have been replacing the old ones on ours but as the T12 lights go. There are 4 lamp electronic ballasts and 2 lamp electronic ballasts. And from what Eugene says 3 lamp ballasts. I never checked with a amp gauge but my brother did and he said the 4 lamp electronic ballasts are somewhat more efficient than the 2 lamp ones, meaning total power used is less than double of 2 sets of 2 lamp electronic systems. If you have 2 lamp systems in continuous series its possible to use a 4 lamp ballast and run the bulb wires to 2 of the 2 lamp systems. The T8 bulbs are a direct replacement for the 2 prong standard T12 bulbs but are 32 watt instead of 40. The 4 lamp electronic ballast costs about 25.00 - 30.00 but the 2 lamp ballast costs about 18.00 - 22.00 so there is a definate advantage to using a single 4 lamp ballast in place of the original 2. If doing a 4 bulb light system and wanting 4 lights when done definately buy the single 4 lamp ballast. Lights are also based on Lumens output. You should 1st evaluate the amount of light you currently have to see if it looks to be enough or if more or less light is desired - perhaps trying with conventional 2 bulbs in place of 4 (the conventional 4 bulb lights have 2 ballasts) Funny part is the electronic ballasts may support 4 but can run 1 to 4 lights and all light up - I don't know if they burn the ballast out though when some of the lights are not working. T12 lights are known to loose output over time to 20%. T8 lights apparently tend to keep the output I think degrading about 10% . A 32 watt T8 light is normally about same lumen output as 40 Watt T12 given same Color Temp. > We also used the 5000 degree bulbs to be color correct. Color Rendition Index is based on a number from 1 - to 100 to most aproximately match the suns color correct. Original Cool Fluorescents have a color temp of about 3800 degrees - vs the sun that I understand is 5 - 7000 degrees depending on time of day. For whatever reason it seems the bulb manufacturers are able to make the 5000 degree light with the highest CRI (color rendition index number) On the downside the 5000 degree color temp bulbs are not as bright as the 6500 degree daylight bulbs putting out about 30% less lumens of light. The 6500 degree bulbs are slightly lower on the CRI (color Rendition Index)at 85 but about 30% higher lumens output. I have bought both and our staff really prefers the 6500 degree bulbs - more light, whiter light, like the sun at midday.(slightly less color accurate in theory). We no longer buy the 5000 degree bulbs using only 6500. > You can do the work yourself, but we did have an electrician do the work. > You need to remove the ballasts you don't use lamps with or wire around > them because they use power lamp or not. > By doing that and not running the a/c until needed, using fans, we > reduced power bill by 30% The T number ie. T12 stands for 1/8" so T12 is 1.5" where as T8 is 1". There are also T5 lights out their but they do not retrofit as the lights are 2" shorter. It makes sense that using more efficient lights with much less heat output from the ballasts will reduce the AC load. If your building is borderline this could make a difference. The electronic ballasts apparently cycle in the 1000's of times a second so don't have a visible flicker - another bonus. A word of warning - magnetic ballasts are available for 32 watt bulbs - these flicker - Make sure you specify Electronic ballasts. There is 1 downside we have found - the electronic ballasts may burn out more frequently. With about 40 ballasts replaced in last 4 years we have had about 4 electronic ones burn out , all at about 3 years. Where as the old ballasts were perhaps 20 to 40 years old, however we were not around to see if they had a 10% burnout rate the first 4 years. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com From k_graham at hotmail.com Sat Jul 14 12:25:26 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Sat Jul 14 12:25:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Internet Explorer & Macs References: <10D8C602-1508-4BE2-9EBC-EEC027AA7BCF@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: > > question for all you computer geniuses.....why does IE open on my > MacBook Pro? It is a windows program and it opens for me under the > mac operating system! ???? > robin > > Robin Niewold We installed it on a old Mac - also available as a Mac program. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 Dawson Creek BC Canada V1G 2G5 250-782-7108 From gailscott at eos.net Sat Jul 14 12:19:28 2007 From: gailscott at eos.net (Gail & Scott Finke) Date: Sat Jul 14 12:40:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Possible Scam In-Reply-To: <003701c7c5a0$910c9a70$a5e10641@bills4drj3ddzy> Message-ID: Bill: No. We are all glad he uses email at all. And it's so much harder to do u&lc with only one finger... Gail Finke ----------------- Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 513-522-2679 info@brentwood-printing.com on 7/13/07 6:53 PM, Bill Huntley at huntleyw@bellsouth.net wrote: > > And have you not gently reminded your Pastor that using all caps is > considered a form of yelling? And, I believe, harder to read? > From gailscott at eos.net Sat Jul 14 12:31:44 2007 From: gailscott at eos.net (Gail & Scott Finke) Date: Sat Jul 14 12:52:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF - Peddling for Power In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You forgot childhood obesity! We could make school children pedal for a certain number of hours every quarter, and we wouldn't have to pay them because they'd do it for credit! The ones with extra full schedules could do their hours in the summer and help with power demand then. Kids' medical bills would go down and that would help both private and public insurance carriers. Older kids could volunteer extra time for service hours, and you could get kids in religious programs to use it for THEIR service hours too. Yes, this could work... Gail Finke ----------------- Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 513-522-2679 info@brentwood-printing.com on 7/13/07 8:48 PM, Harry Brelsford at Harry@VarsityGraphics.com.au wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Your posts are like a think tank and have given me a great idea for > solving a whole heap of problems - energy, obesity, unemployment, > illegal immigration and the medical crisis. It's called "Peddling for > Power". I have taken out worldwide rights on the name. > > Start a chain of gymnasiums with electricity generating exercise > bikes instead of those that blow air. Instead of paying to go to the > gym we pay the "customers" per kilowatt of electricity generated - > about 10% of what we charge the electricity company for feeding the > stuff back into the power grid. John could help us work out the > numbers. > > There would be an extra bonus per pound for weight reduction - have > not figured that one out yet. Anybody claiming unemployment would > need to earn it by peddling for power. I think we could get some > government incentives here too which would add some icing to the > cake. Illegal immigrants would need to do two years or generate x > amount of kilowatts to earn their right to stay. Peddling for Power > would also help keep the nation fit, healthy and productive - therby > helping solve the medical crisis. > > We would print certificates for power generated - on recycled paper. > > Politicians and pop stars who push the global warming barrow could > prove how genuine they are by peddling for power. This would also > help reduce massive amounts of hot air. > > I am looking for venture capital. > > Harry From sos at olympus.net Sat Jul 14 14:39:04 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Sat Jul 14 14:39:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF - Peddling for Power References: Message-ID: <01d701c7c646$419431f0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> > You forgot childhood obesity! We could make school children pedal for a > certain number of hours every quarter, and we wouldn't have to pay them ========================== And the power companies would have huge warehouses full of stationery bikes with herds of people pedaling away, it would be a mandatory one hour a day, and then two hours a day, and then four hours a day because the terrorists blew up another oil pipeline, and then six hours a day. Good premise for a science fiction setting. A bleak world, full of stationery bikes, all the people had huge thigh muscles, we didn't have much, but by golly we had electric air conditioning to save us from all the global warming. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Sat Jul 14 15:49:46 2007 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Sat Jul 14 18:52:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Electronic ballists In-Reply-To: References: <20070713172331.9149399743E@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <004f01c7c650$23085360$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Thanks Eugene. I'd never heard of this before. Gord Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc 2105 Midland Ave Unit 14 Scarborough, ON M1P 3E3 Ph: 416 298 6996 Fax: 416 298 2771 www.xoxocyberprint.com gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Eugene Montanez Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 12:33 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Electronic ballists ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** If you have flourescent fixtures older than about 3-5 years, you may have the older, heavy wire transformers. They use a ton of power, and get real hot. Most of those fixtures are 4 lights per 2x4 fixture. The newer ones, here in CA are 3 lamp and usually 32 watt vs. 40 watt per tube. The ballist can be changed in the older units, we replaced one ballist per 4 lamp fixture, 64 watt vs 40x4 before(160 watt). You could replace both ballists per unit, but most areas you can get by w/ 2 lamps. We also used the 5000 degree bulbs to be color correct. You can do the work yourself, but we did have an electrician do the work. You need to remove the ones you don't use lamps with or wire around them because they use power lamp or not. By doing that and not running the a/c until needed, using fans, we reduced power bill by 30% On Jul 13, 2007, at 10:23 AM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > > Could you tell me what the difference between an electronic ballast > and > whatever kind it was you had before? Or possibly direct me to > information on > the subject? > > We have the kind that you'd better replace as soon as the bulb > burns out or > you'll have to replace the ballast. Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Sat Jul 14 15:53:35 2007 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Sat Jul 14 18:52:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Electronic ballists In-Reply-To: References: <20070713172331.9149399743E@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <005001c7c650$ab5bec40$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Thank you Ken. I don't understand any of that but I'm sure my electrician will. Gord Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc 2105 Midland Ave Unit 14 Scarborough, ON M1P 3E3 Ph: 416 298 6996 Fax: 416 298 2771 www.xoxocyberprint.com gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of k_graham@hotmail.com Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 12:24 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Electronic ballists ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > If you have flourescent fixtures older than about 3-5 years, you may have > the older, heavy wire transformers. > They use a ton of power, and get real hot. Most of those fixtures are 4 > lights per 2x4 fixture. > The newer ones, here in CA are 3 lamp and usually 32 watt vs. 40 watt per > tube. > The ballist can be changed in the older units, we replaced one ballist > per 4 lamp fixture, 64 watt vs 40x4 before(160 watt). You could replace > both ballists per unit, but most areas you can get by w/ 2 lamps. We have been replacing the old ones on ours but as the T12 lights go. There are 4 lamp electronic ballasts and 2 lamp electronic ballasts. And from what Eugene says 3 lamp ballasts. I never checked with a amp gauge but my brother did and he said the 4 lamp electronic ballasts are somewhat more efficient than the 2 lamp ones, meaning total power used is less than double of 2 sets of 2 lamp electronic systems. If you have 2 lamp systems in continuous series its possible to use a 4 lamp ballast and run the bulb wires to 2 of the 2 lamp systems. The T8 bulbs are a direct replacement for the 2 prong standard T12 bulbs but are 32 watt instead of 40. The 4 lamp electronic ballast costs about 25.00 - 30.00 but the 2 lamp ballast costs about 18.00 - 22.00 so there is a definate advantage to using a single 4 lamp ballast in place of the original 2. If doing a 4 bulb light system and wanting 4 lights when done definately buy the single 4 lamp ballast. Lights are also based on Lumens output. You should 1st evaluate the amount of light you currently have to see if it looks to be enough or if more or less light is desired - perhaps trying with conventional 2 bulbs in place of 4 (the conventional 4 bulb lights have 2 ballasts) Funny part is the electronic ballasts may support 4 but can run 1 to 4 lights and all light up - I don't know if they burn the ballast out though when some of the lights are not working. T12 lights are known to loose output over time to 20%. T8 lights apparently tend to keep the output I think degrading about 10% . A 32 watt T8 light is normally about same lumen output as 40 Watt T12 given same Color Temp. > We also used the 5000 degree bulbs to be color correct. Color Rendition Index is based on a number from 1 - to 100 to most aproximately match the suns color correct. Original Cool Fluorescents have a color temp of about 3800 degrees - vs the sun that I understand is 5 - 7000 degrees depending on time of day. For whatever reason it seems the bulb manufacturers are able to make the 5000 degree light with the highest CRI (color rendition index number) On the downside the 5000 degree color temp bulbs are not as bright as the 6500 degree daylight bulbs putting out about 30% less lumens of light. The 6500 degree bulbs are slightly lower on the CRI (color Rendition Index)at 85 but about 30% higher lumens output. I have bought both and our staff really prefers the 6500 degree bulbs - more light, whiter light, like the sun at midday.(slightly less color accurate in theory). We no longer buy the 5000 degree bulbs using only 6500. > You can do the work yourself, but we did have an electrician do the work. > You need to remove the ballasts you don't use lamps with or wire around > them because they use power lamp or not. > By doing that and not running the a/c until needed, using fans, we > reduced power bill by 30% The T number ie. T12 stands for 1/8" so T12 is 1.5" where as T8 is 1". There are also T5 lights out their but they do not retrofit as the lights are 2" shorter. It makes sense that using more efficient lights with much less heat output from the ballasts will reduce the AC load. If your building is borderline this could make a difference. The electronic ballasts apparently cycle in the 1000's of times a second so don't have a visible flicker - another bonus. A word of warning - magnetic ballasts are available for 32 watt bulbs - these flicker - Make sure you specify Electronic ballasts. There is 1 downside we have found - the electronic ballasts may burn out more frequently. With about 40 ballasts replaced in last 4 years we have had about 4 electronic ones burn out , all at about 3 years. Where as the old ballasts were perhaps 20 to 40 years old, however we were not around to see if they had a 10% burnout rate the first 4 years. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Sat Jul 14 19:26:18 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Sat Jul 14 19:26:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Internet Explorer & Macs In-Reply-To: <20070714141844.0A86E99D3F1@rb.enter.net> References: <20070714141844.0A86E99D3F1@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <46bca82bbe76608af5481ba5307ac4b2@sheergraphics.com> Desktop/ Help/ (at righthand end of main menu at top of screen) Mac Help/ Type: "browser preferences" in 'Ask a Question' field. Click 'Enter' key' Read! Mac 'Help' in the main menu is really very helpful. Launch your preferred browser and change its preferences. BUT try the Firefox browser > question for all you computer geniuses.....why does IE open on my > MacBook Pro? It is a windows program and it opens for me under the mac > operating system! ???? > robin Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From carolyn at printingcreations.com Sat Jul 14 15:30:17 2007 From: carolyn at printingcreations.com (Carolyn Grieves) Date: Sat Jul 14 19:30:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] mailing equipment Message-ID: <768420.16856.qm@web83817.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> What brand mailing equipment are you using and why/why don't you like it? We had a Bryce (it died) and we're testing an Asmarc/Accufast P4. I'm less than impressed at this time with it. I want nothing to do with Pitney Bowes which rules out Seacap. thanks buf Carolyn Buffy Grieves Printing Creations, Inc. Printing | Mailing | Posters | Promotional Products 2204 S. Vine St., Yorktown IN 47396 carolyn@printingcreations.com www.printingcreations.com 765-759-8585 765-759-8773 fax PrintImage International Award Winners: Annual Reports, Newsletters, Best Use of Paper. Celebrating 24 Years of Professional Quality Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider & Microsoft Publisher Solutions Provider From sciesemier at pagepath.com Sat Jul 14 22:12:31 2007 From: sciesemier at pagepath.com (Steve Ciesemier) Date: Sat Jul 14 22:11:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Electronic ballists In-Reply-To: <004f01c7c650$23085360$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> References: <20070713172331.9149399743E@rb.enter.net> <004f01c7c650$23085360$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: You can use the 4 lamp electronic ballasts for a 3 lamp fixture. The ballasts have a wiring diagram that essentially wires the bulbs in sets of two. Follow it, but just don't wire for the fourth lamp. The ballast mfr says that is just fine. If you have a 16' long single strip light (4 - 4' bulbs), you can replace four ballasts with one. If you need wire, be aware that the wire in fluorescent fixtures is generally 18 gauge solid copper and needs to be heat rated 90C at 1000V or 105C at 600V. Due to the thin gauge and specs, this wiring can be hard to find. Home Depot, etc. won't carry it. Even many electrical supply houses don't. I found mine through Englewood Electric, Stacey Pettry, 847-640-3181 SPettry@eescodist.com. It was drop shipped from WireXpress, 11614 Austin Ave., Alsip, IL. It comes in 500 ft spools and you can get red, blue, and yellow colors to match the ballast wires. The spools are around $25 each as I recall. Use wire nuts (not electrical tape) to connect the wires. Note that electronic ballasts require the lamp to be within 3/4 to 1" of the fixture surface. Some old T12 fixtures have longer lamp holders that may hold the lamp as far away as 1-3/4" from the fixture! You should not re-ues these. If the fixture is old, it's usually a good idea to replace the lamp holders anyway as the contact surfaces may be pitted, dirty, etc. Besides running cool and being energy efficient, another nice feature of electronic ballasts is they are quite. No noticeable buzzing or humming. By the way, the same advantages can be had in recessed ceiling can lights. You would not think fluorescent can lights could be so bright, but with polished reflector housing, they can almost blind you. I've seen them used extensively in some major airports. They typically use the "4 finger" elements that plugs into the fixture rather than screw in. You can also get dimmable versions. A 26W bulb is roughly equal to a 150W incandescent. I like not having to pay for the extra electricity and the savings from not having to cool all the wasted heat. -Steve *********************************************************** Steve Ciesemier PagePath Technologies, Inc. 13 East Main Street Plano, IL 60545-1521 Phone & Fax: 630-689-4112 mailto:SCiesemier@pagepath.com http://www.pagepath.com MyOrderDesk - named Product of the Year by PrintImage International & Best of Breed by Xerox MyOrderDesk - Snag-Free print ready files, no matter the size. Eliminate frustration, spend more time winning & keeping customers, improve your profits. *********************************************************** From sciesemier at pagepath.com Sat Jul 14 22:17:58 2007 From: sciesemier at pagepath.com (Steve Ciesemier) Date: Sat Jul 14 22:16:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Internet Explorer & Macs In-Reply-To: <10D8C602-1508-4BE2-9EBC-EEC027AA7BCF@protypeonline.com> References: <10D8C602-1508-4BE2-9EBC-EEC027AA7BCF@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: Microsoft used to have a version of IE for Mac users, Robin. Soon after Safari came out, Microsoft discontinued IE for Mac and they have since stopped supporting it. It is old, out of date and doesn't support newer capabilities of the web. You can use Safari or FireFox instead. -Steve *********************************************************** Steve Ciesemier PagePath Technologies, Inc. 13 East Main Street Plano, IL 60545-1521 Phone & Fax: 630-689-4112 mailto:SCiesemier@pagepath.com http://www.pagepath.com MyOrderDesk - named Product of the Year by PrintImage International & Best of Breed by Xerox MyOrderDesk - Snag-Free print ready files, no matter the size. Eliminate frustration, spend more time winning & keeping customers, improve your profits. *********************************************************** From dominick at fmtc.com Sun Jul 15 12:22:37 2007 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Sun Jul 15 12:22:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printers in Colorado Springs Message-ID: <469A49CD.6050208@fmtc.com> Just trying to get my son a head start with a job. He is moving in August to Colorado Springs, and will be a full time college student. If there are any printers on the list in The Springs that need a part time Anything! your reply would be appreciated. He is an accomplished press operator (Ryobi 3302), great with bindery and Challenge 305 cutter, weak in copying and CSR. Thanks in advance. Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! From jdaghir at gmail.com Mon Jul 16 09:59:57 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Mon Jul 16 10:00:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Migration software question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83d5b9620707160659s10b80e95yf24cb90f54a4cbe@mail.gmail.com> Two ways I've done this in the past: Before trying either method - BACKUP EVERYTHING IMPORTANT in case something goes south. Method 1 1. On the original computer backup everything EXCEPT the System State using Windows built-in Backup utility (Programs | Accessories | Systems Tools | Backup). Put the backup on a external hard drive or a spare internal drive that can be installed in the new computer. The backup file will be too large for CDs or DVDs. 2. Install Windows on the new system if it isn't already installed, Then install the hard drive that has the backup of the old system on it. 3. Restore the backup onto the new system. This should restore everything except the old hardware configuration. The new system will essentially be an exact duplicate of the old system right down to the same Windows serial number. Note that this will only work if the original system has a RETAIL version of XP on it - OEM versions will usually not install or activate on new hardware. Microsoft used to have a Knowledge Base article that described this (How to Move a Windows XP Installation to Different Hardware - Microsoft Knowledge Base Article: 314070) but it seems to have been removed for some reason. Method 2 1. On the original system uninstall any video card drivers, chipset drivers and hard-driver controller drivers if possible. Then clone the old hard drive onto the new hard without allowing Windows to re-install any of the drivers. 2. Install the new hard drive into the new system, but DON"T boot up off of it yet. Instead, boot up off of the Windows installation CD for the new system and do an in-place upgrade (do a google search if you don't know how to do this). The new system will be nearly an exact duplicate of the old system but the Windows serial number will be the one from the new system. This might work with OEM versions in addition to RETAIL versions but I'm not positive about that. The first method is slower and won't work if the original computer is an OEM version but it it more likely to succeed. The second method is faster and might work with OEM versions but it has a higher chance failure and ending up with a non-bootable system. Neither of these are easy, follow-the-wizard type procedures and should only be attempted by someone who is reasonably comfortable with installing and configuring Windows. Also since both methods essentially move the entire Windows installation intact if your original systems is having problems and acting funky chances are the new system will too. But if they work it is usually much faster than re-installing and re-configuring all your applications. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Larry asked: > Hello, we are swapping out all our old PC's for new ones. > > I've seen migration software which claims to move all software, serial numbers, settings, print drivers, etc from the old PC's to the new ones. > > Have you done this before? Any problems? Does it erase the old PC or just copy from it? From pressexpress at bfm.org Mon Jul 16 10:54:29 2007 From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Mon Jul 16 10:54:44 2007 Subject: {Spam?} Re: [PrintOwners] Internet Explorer & Macs In-Reply-To: <10D8C602-1508-4BE2-9EBC-EEC027AA7BCF@protypeonline.com> References: <10D8C602-1508-4BE2-9EBC-EEC027AA7BCF@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: IE is also made for the mac as a legitimate web browser. Has been for years. If it is launching by itself every time you start up your MacBook, go to: Preferences>Accounts>Log In Items and remove it. You can then select Safari to auto launch or ignore and do it manually. Just a hunch? Greg On Jul 14, 2007, at 9:18 AM, Robin Niewold wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > question for all you computer geniuses.....why does IE open on my > MacBook Pro? It is a windows program and it opens for me under the > mac operating system! ???? > robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From info at desktopsxm.com Mon Jul 16 11:55:30 2007 From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint) Date: Mon Jul 16 11:49:33 2007 Subject: {Spam?} Re: [PrintOwners] Internet Explorer & Macs In-Reply-To: References: <10D8C602-1508-4BE2-9EBC-EEC027AA7BCF@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <395D20CF-1E41-4021-A780-6B07A325DB46@desktopsxm.com> Internet explorer no longer supports the mac. If you do have IE on your mac it is an old version. You can still download it but as i said it is not a late version. Joel Brint Desktop Imaging St. Maarten On Jul 16, 2007, at 10:54 AM, Greg Weinfurter wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > IE is also made for the mac as a legitimate web browser. Has been > for years. > > If it is launching by itself every time you start up your MacBook, > go to: > > Preferences>Accounts>Log In Items and remove it. You can then > select Safari to auto launch or ignore and do it manually. > > Just a hunch? > > Greg > On Jul 14, 2007, at 9:18 AM, Robin Niewold wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> question for all you computer geniuses.....why does IE open on my >> MacBook Pro? It is a windows program and it opens for me under the >> mac operating system! ???? >> robin >> >> Robin Niewold >> Pro-Type Printing >> 130 N. Market Street >> Paxton, IL 60957 >> 217.379.4715 >> robin@protypeonline.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From rstor at copycats.com Mon Jul 16 12:00:24 2007 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Mon Jul 16 12:02:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Staples Message-ID: <469B9618.8010006@copycats.com> The real competitor for FedEx Kinkos is Staples. FEK's new store model incorporates about 5x the number of SKUs of office supplies. And then this article about Staples: *http://tinyurl.com/yq5vz9 "*Staples is also testing small (4,000 square feet) standalone copy centers that would compete with FedEx's struggling Kinko's business. Staples has three in Boston now, and will launch in New York later this year." The customer profile for FEK and Staples clients overlaps more than the profile for our clients, but it still means added competition. Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com From robin at protypeonline.com Mon Jul 16 12:08:03 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Mon Jul 16 12:08:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Internet Explorer & Macs Message-ID: <6F4126C4-A60D-4C96-AAE2-10902C78FD16@protypeonline.com> Thank you -- explains it perfectly! :) robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From mail at myprinter.biz Mon Jul 16 12:42:56 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Mon Jul 16 12:43:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Staples In-Reply-To: <469B9618.8010006@copycats.com> Message-ID: "Staples is also testing small (4,000 square feet) standalone copy centers that would compete with FedEx's struggling Kinko's business. Staples has three in Boston now, and will launch in New York later this year." Bob - I love it! Staples is now going to be fighting Kinko's for the low-ticket business that's murdered Kinko's profit margins, while Kinko's is going to open small "Inko's" stores to sell toner and inkjet cartridges, along with office supplies, to small customers (because that's what they're going to get) in competition with Staples, Office Depot, Office Max, and some Costco outlets. Will they never learn? Big box stores drove virtually all of the small office supply businesses, many with copying capability, out of existence, because they were better at meeting customers' needs - whether convenience, price, quality or some combination of those things. When was the last time any of you purchased either inkjet or toner cartridges for small printers from anywhere other than somebody that advertised on the net or at a large office supply firm that would deliver at no extra charge, if you wanted them to? For those of you that have bought elsewhere recently, who was your supplier, and would you describe yourselves as large purchasers? And how many medium or large-size non-printing companies - the type that would increase Kinko's profit margins - are likely to change their buying habits just because there would be smaller Kinko's stores, or smaller Staples stores? Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Robert Stor Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 12:00 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Staples ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** The real competitor for FedEx Kinkos is Staples. FEK's new store model incorporates about 5x the number of SKUs of office supplies. And then this article about Staples: *http://tinyurl.com/yq5vz9 "*Staples is also testing small (4,000 square feet) standalone copy centers that would compete with FedEx's struggling Kinko's business. Staples has three in Boston now, and will launch in New York later this year." The customer profile for FEK and Staples clients overlaps more than the profile for our clients, but it still means added competition. Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Mon Jul 16 13:43:40 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Jul 16 13:43:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe comments References: <6F4126C4-A60D-4C96-AAE2-10902C78FD16@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <026a01c7c7d0$d8a00840$0300a8c0@DANIEL> FYI...A survey was conducted of print buyers by Print Buyers On Line last week concerning the appropriateness of the Adobe-Kinko's program. The survey was overwhelmingly against it. Following are the comments that were recorded: A Majority of Print Buyers Say That the Adobe FedEx/Kinko's Alliance is Inappropriate (July 16, 2007) In last week's PBO Quick Poll, we asked our print buyer members: "Is Adobe's recent decision to add a 'send to FedEx/Kinko's' order button in Acrobat/Acrobat Reader inappropriate? (causing an unfair competitive advantage to FedEx/Kinko's?)" We've posted some of their answers below. Note: the views expressed by the members below are not necessarily the views of Print Buyers Online.com. We feel that it's important to share diverse opinions even though we may not agree with all views expressed. Quick Poll Question: Is Adobe's recent decision to add a "send to FedEx/Kinko's" order button in Acrobat/Acrobat Reader inappropriate? (causing an unfair competitive advantage to FedEx/Kinkos?) a.. 81% of print buyers said: "yes" b.. 9% of print buyers said: "no" c.. 3% of print buyers said: "I don't know" d.. 7% of print buyers said: "I don't care" 142 print buyers participated in this Quick Poll. Comments from our members: Those that said: "yes" "Especially because as a buyer, I am not always a 'champion' of FedEx/Kinko's - it puts me at a disadvantage with the creative department if someone simply 'sends' it - especially without my knowledge. This sort of business deal needs to be kept out of the computer space." ************************* "Adobe's pre-installation of competitive preferences within their products will not be very welcome from their core customer base in the Graphic Arts industry. The purchasing decisions are up to the user not Adobe or FedEx/Kinko's." Tom Gaughan Marketing Executive DCK ************************* "It will give an unfair advantage to a less knowledgeable purchaser. They may be inexperienced and will possibly be ripped off price-wise and even disappointed if they don't fully understand what they will have ordered and received." Tracey Clarke Print Production Supervisor ************************* "This isn't the first time Adobe betrayed production - remember when they changed all defaults to PC/web, so suddenly prepress had to go through and reset all the defaults? We have since learned to check the defaults after any update ... Adobe looks at what makes them money! And they know we have no other option, so they can pull this stuff and we just have to work around it. This goes beyond that - not only does it give FedEx/Kinko's an unfair advantage, it further misleads the uneducated. I would never choose Kinko's over any of my printers. Their work is shoddy, inaccurate, and just try to find someone that understands production! Most of them require a PDF because they don't know (or want to know) any applications or production issues. They're cheap for a reason! If Adobe were smart - and fair - they would create a send to printer button that allowed you to program where it went. If Adobe is going to swallow up every competitor so we have no choice but to use their software, they should at least draw the line there and stay out of the print decision process. To give an unfair advantage to crappy print is a bad idea. But then, I'm sure the majority of us feel this way and will never use the button if they go through with it as is." Sierra Production Coordinator ************************* "Absolutely 100% inappropriate." ************************* "The implication is that only FedEx/Kinko's an handle this, and it's a false impression." Nickie Harris Production Freelance NASD ************************* "This is just one more example of the fat cats gouging a hole in fair business practices. I for one will never use that button. I would have thought better of Adobe." Julie Armer Production Assistant AWC ************************* "Not only is it inappropriate from the standpoint of Commercial Printers, but from in-house operations and Print Buyers as well. All three spend lots of energy and time trying to route print requests through their processes and this would have the real effect of fast-tracking a lot of printing right around them and straight to FedEx/Kinko's without benefit of correct sourcing and/or cost-control oversight. If Kinko's is the right place for a job to print, they should compete for that distinction through the correct channels, not via proprietary means through Adobe. For the 'casual user' out there (not affiliated with a corporate business print-buying system), this is also steering them toward a non-competitive solution that many of them will take simply for convenience rather than finding the 'best' printer for their individual needs. If Adobe wanted to make money from routing print work, why didn't they charge users to bundle printer-specific routing to the software as it was distributed? Because that would have been hard, that's why. They took the easy way - which also meant they took the easy money - and all the rest of us are going to suffer through it. They have been a great resource to us in the graphics and print industry; they have great product and are the standard to go by, for sure. But I for one will never forgive them for this." Curtis Manager, Print Procurement Group SUPERVALU ************************* "Not only is this inappropriate, but having FedEx/Kinko's print the document may not be the most cost effective method of production." Suzanne Print Buyer ************************* "I would think many like myself would not use the FedEx/Kinko's order button kowing this is very unfair. FedEx/Kinko's need to pull out of this argeement." John Lemke Director, Purchasing Budco ************************* "The 'choice' to put the button at the bottom is not fair to the printing industry. More importantly not fair to print customers who think Kinko's, or any other office supply company is printing, it's not. Adobe needs to put other 'buttons' or 'notices' for the print buying public, that the printing industry still exists. Printing is not done by 16 year olds, it is done by Journey-People in the printing industry!" Ken Logsdon Production Manager Minuteman Press, Atlanta ************************* "In a free market economy, Adobe has a right to make money through any legal means available to it. However, that doesn't mean that they should. Do they really want to be in the business of endorsing printers? Does this arrangement mean that their endorsement goes to the highest bidder each time Acrobat is updated -- this month FedEx/Kinko's, next month VistaPrint? What prevents them from issuing a new software release (that we customers have to pay to use) just to replace one 'partnership' with another? It may not be technically unethical but is surely a slippery slope." Janice Dottin Director, Corporate Communications Plymouth Rock Assurance Corp. ************************* "FedEx/Kinko's is not the highest quality low-budget quick turnaround solution available. Adobe is giving the impression to people that are otherwise unaware that they are. We use many digital printers have the same turnaround times, and that offer a much higher quality product. (Maybe this link is for lazy people who don't want to have to save as a PDF and email to a vendor.)" Drusilla de Veer Print Production Manager Weston Mason Marketing ************************* "EXTREMELY!!!!!!!!!" ************************* "What are they thinking? Doesn't Adobe's management realize that singling out FedEx/Kinko's hurts the rest of us?" Ray Chambers CEO Chambers Management Group ************************* "Adobe should be smart enough to place a field in the software where the customer can place the link to their supplier of choice for both print and shipping. This action, I feel, is very inappropriate and irresponsible on Adobe's part. I also would like to know what the response is from the various carriers, like UPS, USPS and the various independents, in relation to Adobe's approach with FedEx for shipment of the finished products?" Daryl Hylla New Business Development Palmer Printing Company ************************* "I think this is terrible! Adobe's products are universal in that the file preparation is appropriate for ANY printer, not just Kinko's! It's like Starbucks saying, you can only go to the toilet after drinking our coffee, if the toilet is made by Kohler. :)" Karen Dortschy Baker & Taylor ************************* "Adobe cannot possibly believe Kinko's is such a dominant print supplier of PDF files that they actually built this feature in as a 'convenience' to their users. It is purely to make Kinko's more top-of-mind to their prospective customers. This is nothing more than a gratuitous product-placement for their financial gain...not unlike how the movie industry features Pepsi cans and Motorola phones in the hands of actors. They should come clean about their motive -- is this to help keep the cost of Acrobat down for its users, or to just boost Adobe's bottom line? Either would be preferred over the current manipulative message." Print Consultant ************************* "I am retired from UPS myself and for anyone including my former employer to put this on an unrelated viewer for any commercial venture is not only an annoyance and misleading to consumers, it takes a lot of gall and is unethical in my viewpoint." Frank Lombardo Print Consultant ************************* "This will cause problems for most organizations who have in-house print shops who are responsible for all printing requirements for the organization. This will undermine the control and purchasing authority for these organizations. I have requested our IT staff disable this feature to avoid problems down the road." Kevin Field, CGCM Administrator, City/Schools printing & Mail Services City of Virginia Beach ************************* "Adobe Acrobat is almost public domain as everybody uses it. One printer should not be granted this advantage. If Adobe does not reverse their decision I can see all the trade associations including PBO stop affiliating with them and asking them for industry event sponsorship. They could be black-balled." Bryan Gordon Print Concierge Standard Register ************************* "FedEx/Kinko's is not a commercial printer in any sense of the definition. If you need a limited number of copies printed quickly and have no critical color they may be an acceptable choice. I have commercial printers, with digital equipment, better color controls, very competitive pricing, and seasoned customer service representatives that we use daily and they get the job done. FedEx/Kinko's will copy what you bring in but no service beyond that. Any in-house print provider will be a better choice and working with a professional print buyer will yield the best results for any print project." Jeff Dickerson Procurement Specialist Sate Farm Insurance Companies ************************* Comments from our members: Those that said: "no" "As a buyer with 15 years of experience, I can certainly understand why printers feel betrayed, but it doesn't seem that far-fetched - this isn't an open source product after all. With things like widgets and other 'free' software companies are finding new ways to market themselves by creating new real estate options. We live in a free-market economy, and I would oppose any intervention at the Federal level as a solution. For more fuel on the fire - would PIA/GATF outbid and pay more money to put a button on Reader to replace FedEx/Kinko's?" Mark Reed Estimating Manager The Hacker Group ************************* "Where there is a will, there is a way. The marketing manager for FedEx should be congratulated on hitting a market placed viewed/used by millions of people daily. There are only a few places left in this world that are untouched by advertising and when those places are located, the companies will benefit greatly." David Mitchell Commodity Manager - Print Materials Arbonne ************************* "I think that it should be Adobe's right to align themselves with whatever strategic partnership makes sense for them. It doesn't influence me one way or another, but would be very convenient if I did use FedEx/Kinko's to print. Of course...I also think that Microsoft takes too much heat for making it easier to use their in-brand products with Windows than to use an outside product, so what do I know." Josh Perry ************************* "I feel sorry for them because they will probably get slammed with small ad-hoc print requests from the general public, all those high maintenance humans will probably give them a brain cramp." Joe Stoeckle Senior Buyer R. L. Polk & Co. ************************* "While the neophyte may use this feature, experienced print buyers (those who control most of the workflow and significant dollars) will send work to the optimal vendors, which is usually not Kinko's. It will be more of an annoyance than anything else." Southland Production God ************************* Comments from our members: Those that said: "I don't care" "It won't influence my buying decision." Ruthie Ober Production Director HSR Business to Business ************************* "I wouldn't send any project to FedEx/Kinko's. My experiences with the local offices has been less than pleasing." ************************* From mail at myprinter.biz Mon Jul 16 13:58:59 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Mon Jul 16 13:59:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe comments In-Reply-To: <026a01c7c7d0$d8a00840$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: Dan - Are you going to forward this to Bruce C @ Adobe, or shall I do it? Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 1:44 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Adobe comments ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** FYI...A survey was conducted of print buyers by Print Buyers On Line last week concerning the appropriateness of the Adobe-Kinko's program. The survey was overwhelmingly against it. Following are the comments that were recorded: A Majority of Print Buyers Say That the Adobe FedEx/Kinko's Alliance is Inappropriate (July 16, 2007) In last week's PBO Quick Poll, we asked our print buyer members: "Is Adobe's recent decision to add a 'send to FedEx/Kinko's' order button in Acrobat/Acrobat Reader inappropriate? (causing an unfair competitive advantage to FedEx/Kinko's?)" We've posted some of their answers below. Note: the views expressed by the members below are not necessarily the views of Print Buyers Online.com. We feel that it's important to share diverse opinions even though we may not agree with all views expressed. Quick Poll Question: Is Adobe's recent decision to add a "send to FedEx/Kinko's" order button in Acrobat/Acrobat Reader inappropriate? (causing an unfair competitive advantage to FedEx/Kinkos?) a.. 81% of print buyers said: "yes" b.. 9% of print buyers said: "no" c.. 3% of print buyers said: "I don't know" d.. 7% of print buyers said: "I don't care" 142 print buyers participated in this Quick Poll. Comments from our members: Those that said: "yes" "Especially because as a buyer, I am not always a 'champion' of FedEx/Kinko's - it puts me at a disadvantage with the creative department if someone simply 'sends' it - especially without my knowledge. This sort of business deal needs to be kept out of the computer space." ************************* "Adobe's pre-installation of competitive preferences within their products will not be very welcome from their core customer base in the Graphic Arts industry. The purchasing decisions are up to the user not Adobe or FedEx/Kinko's." Tom Gaughan Marketing Executive DCK ************************* "It will give an unfair advantage to a less knowledgeable purchaser. They may be inexperienced and will possibly be ripped off price-wise and even disappointed if they don't fully understand what they will have ordered and received." Tracey Clarke Print Production Supervisor ************************* "This isn't the first time Adobe betrayed production - remember when they changed all defaults to PC/web, so suddenly prepress had to go through and reset all the defaults? We have since learned to check the defaults after any update ... Adobe looks at what makes them money! And they know we have no other option, so they can pull this stuff and we just have to work around it. This goes beyond that - not only does it give FedEx/Kinko's an unfair advantage, it further misleads the uneducated. I would never choose Kinko's over any of my printers. Their work is shoddy, inaccurate, and just try to find someone that understands production! Most of them require a PDF because they don't know (or want to know) any applications or production issues. They're cheap for a reason! If Adobe were smart - and fair - they would create a send to printer button that allowed you to program where it went. If Adobe is going to swallow up every competitor so we have no choice but to use their software, they should at least draw the line there and stay out of the print decision process. To give an unfair advantage to crappy print is a bad idea. But then, I'm sure the majority of us feel this way and will never use the button if they go through with it as is." Sierra Production Coordinator ************************* "Absolutely 100% inappropriate." ************************* "The implication is that only FedEx/Kinko's an handle this, and it's a false impression." Nickie Harris Production Freelance NASD ************************* "This is just one more example of the fat cats gouging a hole in fair business practices. I for one will never use that button. I would have thought better of Adobe." Julie Armer Production Assistant AWC ************************* "Not only is it inappropriate from the standpoint of Commercial Printers, but from in-house operations and Print Buyers as well. All three spend lots of energy and time trying to route print requests through their processes and this would have the real effect of fast-tracking a lot of printing right around them and straight to FedEx/Kinko's without benefit of correct sourcing and/or cost-control oversight. If Kinko's is the right place for a job to print, they should compete for that distinction through the correct channels, not via proprietary means through Adobe. For the 'casual user' out there (not affiliated with a corporate business print-buying system), this is also steering them toward a non-competitive solution that many of them will take simply for convenience rather than finding the 'best' printer for their individual needs. If Adobe wanted to make money from routing print work, why didn't they charge users to bundle printer-specific routing to the software as it was distributed? Because that would have been hard, that's why. They took the easy way - which also meant they took the easy money - and all the rest of us are going to suffer through it. They have been a great resource to us in the graphics and print industry; they have great product and are the standard to go by, for sure. But I for one will never forgive them for this." Curtis Manager, Print Procurement Group SUPERVALU ************************* "Not only is this inappropriate, but having FedEx/Kinko's print the document may not be the most cost effective method of production." Suzanne Print Buyer ************************* "I would think many like myself would not use the FedEx/Kinko's order button kowing this is very unfair. FedEx/Kinko's need to pull out of this argeement." John Lemke Director, Purchasing Budco ************************* "The 'choice' to put the button at the bottom is not fair to the printing industry. More importantly not fair to print customers who think Kinko's, or any other office supply company is printing, it's not. Adobe needs to put other 'buttons' or 'notices' for the print buying public, that the printing industry still exists. Printing is not done by 16 year olds, it is done by Journey-People in the printing industry!" Ken Logsdon Production Manager Minuteman Press, Atlanta ************************* "In a free market economy, Adobe has a right to make money through any legal means available to it. However, that doesn't mean that they should. Do they really want to be in the business of endorsing printers? Does this arrangement mean that their endorsement goes to the highest bidder each time Acrobat is updated -- this month FedEx/Kinko's, next month VistaPrint? What prevents them from issuing a new software release (that we customers have to pay to use) just to replace one 'partnership' with another? It may not be technically unethical but is surely a slippery slope." Janice Dottin Director, Corporate Communications Plymouth Rock Assurance Corp. ************************* "FedEx/Kinko's is not the highest quality low-budget quick turnaround solution available. Adobe is giving the impression to people that are otherwise unaware that they are. We use many digital printers have the same turnaround times, and that offer a much higher quality product. (Maybe this link is for lazy people who don't want to have to save as a PDF and email to a vendor.)" Drusilla de Veer Print Production Manager Weston Mason Marketing ************************* "EXTREMELY!!!!!!!!!" ************************* "What are they thinking? Doesn't Adobe's management realize that singling out FedEx/Kinko's hurts the rest of us?" Ray Chambers CEO Chambers Management Group ************************* "Adobe should be smart enough to place a field in the software where the customer can place the link to their supplier of choice for both print and shipping. This action, I feel, is very inappropriate and irresponsible on Adobe's part. I also would like to know what the response is from the various carriers, like UPS, USPS and the various independents, in relation to Adobe's approach with FedEx for shipment of the finished products?" Daryl Hylla New Business Development Palmer Printing Company ************************* "I think this is terrible! Adobe's products are universal in that the file preparation is appropriate for ANY printer, not just Kinko's! It's like Starbucks saying, you can only go to the toilet after drinking our coffee, if the toilet is made by Kohler. :)" Karen Dortschy Baker & Taylor ************************* "Adobe cannot possibly believe Kinko's is such a dominant print supplier of PDF files that they actually built this feature in as a 'convenience' to their users. It is purely to make Kinko's more top-of-mind to their prospective customers. This is nothing more than a gratuitous product-placement for their financial gain...not unlike how the movie industry features Pepsi cans and Motorola phones in the hands of actors. They should come clean about their motive -- is this to help keep the cost of Acrobat down for its users, or to just boost Adobe's bottom line? Either would be preferred over the current manipulative message." Print Consultant ************************* "I am retired from UPS myself and for anyone including my former employer to put this on an unrelated viewer for any commercial venture is not only an annoyance and misleading to consumers, it takes a lot of gall and is unethical in my viewpoint." Frank Lombardo Print Consultant ************************* "This will cause problems for most organizations who have in-house print shops who are responsible for all printing requirements for the organization. This will undermine the control and purchasing authority for these organizations. I have requested our IT staff disable this feature to avoid problems down the road." Kevin Field, CGCM Administrator, City/Schools printing & Mail Services City of Virginia Beach ************************* "Adobe Acrobat is almost public domain as everybody uses it. One printer should not be granted this advantage. If Adobe does not reverse their decision I can see all the trade associations including PBO stop affiliating with them and asking them for industry event sponsorship. They could be black-balled." Bryan Gordon Print Concierge Standard Register ************************* "FedEx/Kinko's is not a commercial printer in any sense of the definition. If you need a limited number of copies printed quickly and have no critical color they may be an acceptable choice. I have commercial printers, with digital equipment, better color controls, very competitive pricing, and seasoned customer service representatives that we use daily and they get the job done. FedEx/Kinko's will copy what you bring in but no service beyond that. Any in-house print provider will be a better choice and working with a professional print buyer will yield the best results for any print project." Jeff Dickerson Procurement Specialist Sate Farm Insurance Companies ************************* Comments from our members: Those that said: "no" "As a buyer with 15 years of experience, I can certainly understand why printers feel betrayed, but it doesn't seem that far-fetched - this isn't an open source product after all. With things like widgets and other 'free' software companies are finding new ways to market themselves by creating new real estate options. We live in a free-market economy, and I would oppose any intervention at the Federal level as a solution. For more fuel on the fire - would PIA/GATF outbid and pay more money to put a button on Reader to replace FedEx/Kinko's?" Mark Reed Estimating Manager The Hacker Group ************************* "Where there is a will, there is a way. The marketing manager for FedEx should be congratulated on hitting a market placed viewed/used by millions of people daily. There are only a few places left in this world that are untouched by advertising and when those places are located, the companies will benefit greatly." David Mitchell Commodity Manager - Print Materials Arbonne ************************* "I think that it should be Adobe's right to align themselves with whatever strategic partnership makes sense for them. It doesn't influence me one way or another, but would be very convenient if I did use FedEx/Kinko's to print. Of course...I also think that Microsoft takes too much heat for making it easier to use their in-brand products with Windows than to use an outside product, so what do I know." Josh Perry ************************* "I feel sorry for them because they will probably get slammed with small ad-hoc print requests from the general public, all those high maintenance humans will probably give them a brain cramp." Joe Stoeckle Senior Buyer R. L. Polk & Co. ************************* "While the neophyte may use this feature, experienced print buyers (those who control most of the workflow and significant dollars) will send work to the optimal vendors, which is usually not Kinko's. It will be more of an annoyance than anything else." Southland Production God ************************* Comments from our members: Those that said: "I don't care" "It won't influence my buying decision." Ruthie Ober Production Director HSR Business to Business ************************* "I wouldn't send any project to FedEx/Kinko's. My experiences with the local offices has been less than pleasing." ************************* _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Mon Jul 16 14:08:20 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Jul 16 14:08:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe comments References: Message-ID: <028501c7c7d4$4b230950$0300a8c0@DANIEL> > Dan - > > Are you going to forward this to Bruce C @ Adobe, or shall I do it? > > Dan > Sir Speedy Printing Center =================== Hey other Dan, Feel free to forward. It pretty clearly puts to rest Adobe's assertion that they did it for the convenience of their customers. 81% don't like it at all. And those weren't print shops, those were print buyers from all kinds of companies. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From jdaghir at gmail.com Mon Jul 16 14:11:53 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Mon Jul 16 14:11:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Stitcher In-Reply-To: <2390B378-A51F-4F55-BAEF-243B8FB2EB88@legendsofdodgecity.com> References: <004f01c7c3db$d1cebeb0$6600a8c0@Tom> <4695005F.9850.1AAE29F9@slb.inkspot.net> <2390B378-A51F-4F55-BAEF-243B8FB2EB88@legendsofdodgecity.com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620707161111t4f2f0fah8fa76f0fd052ae96@mail.gmail.com> The stitcher head probably needs to be rebuilt or replaced. I believe Deluxe Bostitch can rebuild it for you: http://www.deluxebostitch.com/ Or ISP/Interlake will give you a trade in on a new M-2000 head: http://www.ispstitching.com/promo.html -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Sonya said: > We have an old Champion single-head stitcher that is starting to > cause us too many problems. Does anyone have any suggestions on a > replacement? We're not a high volume user on this type of equipment, > but we can't live without it! I would appreciate any advice/ > suggestions offered. From QKCONSULT at aol.com Mon Jul 16 14:22:01 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 16 14:22:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe comments Message-ID: In a message dated 7/16/2007 2:09:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sos@olympus.net writes: It pretty clearly puts to rest Adobe's assertion that they did it for the convenience of their customers. Well, to keep the record straight, Adobe did not really say they did it for the convenience of all their customers, but rather those customers who already use FXK. They said, "The intent of the FedEx Kinko's partnership was to provide a more streamlined service for consumers who use Reader and value a quick and simple online print option." I know that is splitting hairs but of course that is what it is coming down to.... John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Mon Jul 16 15:11:28 2007 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Mon Jul 16 15:08:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: CLC-1000 Toner In-Reply-To: References: <20070713172331.9149399743E@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <2F7A4987-3D5B-40A2-B29A-3D8220B7A04A@bellsouth.net> I have 31 toners, 11 Developers & 7 Fuser Oils for a CLC-1000 for sale. Please contact me off list if you are interested. Thanks, Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Jul 16 17:38:24 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Jul 16 17:38:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe comments Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707161438k2523465dv3a1cb613ec5a28dc@mail.gmail.com> Earlier, I forwarded parts of Dan H's email about the Print Buyers' survey and its associated comments to Sir Speedy president, Rich Lowe, who is among those meeting with Adobe tomorrow. I forwarded it just for good measure to add further support to the position of the only acceptable solution. Here's his reply. It's not much, but it *does* stongly suggest that those attending the meeting on our behalf do NOT consider the breaking of the contract to be an improbable mission. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Michael, Thanks for the info. Everyone that is speaking with Adobe is giving them the same story, anything less than taking it off is unacceptable. I will let you know how it goes. Rich ------------------------------ *-- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon * From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Tue Jul 17 08:32:01 2007 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Tue Jul 17 08:32:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe comments In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0707161438k2523465dv3a1cb613ec5a28dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0707161438k2523465dv3a1cb613ec5a28dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004701c7c86e$79c54e40$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Would it settle things for you if they put in a button for Sir Speedy? Gord Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc 2105 Midland Ave Unit 14 Scarborough, ON M1P 3E3 Ph: 416 298 6996 Fax: 416 298 2771 www.xoxocyberprint.com gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 5:38 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Adobe comments ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Earlier, I forwarded parts of Dan H's email about the Print Buyers' survey and its associated comments to Sir Speedy president, Rich Lowe, who is among those meeting with Adobe tomorrow. I forwarded it just for good measure to add further support to the position of the only acceptable solution. Here's his reply. It's not much, but it *does* stongly suggest that those attending the meeting on our behalf do NOT consider the breaking of the contract to be an improbable mission. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Michael, Thanks for the info. Everyone that is speaking with Adobe is giving them the same story, anything less than taking it off is unacceptable. I will let you know how it goes. Rich ------------------------------ *-- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon * _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mail at myprinter.biz Tue Jul 17 09:04:18 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Tue Jul 17 09:04:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe comments In-Reply-To: <004701c7c86e$79c54e40$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: "Would it settle things for you if they put in a button for Sir Speedy?" Gord Watt Gord - I can't speak for anybody but myself (and then often not too well), but my answer is an emphatic, "NO!" There are several reasons for that, and I won't bore you with any of them, except to say that your question asks if Michael would accept what, for me, would be an extremely short-sighted "solution" (i.e., one that "solves" nothing, while creating other problems). As I said in my email to Bruce C yesterday, "While it's now "too late" for my comments for be germane to your forum, as one of your ASPs and a now-former customer of your firm, NOTHING short of removal of the Kinko's links will ever be acceptable to this firm." Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Gordon Watt Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 8:32 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Adobe comments ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Xoxo Cyberprint Inc 2105 Midland Ave Unit 14 Scarborough, ON M1P 3E3 Ph: 416 298 6996 Fax: 416 298 2771 www.xoxocyberprint.com gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 5:38 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Adobe comments ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Earlier, I forwarded parts of Dan H's email about the Print Buyers' survey and its associated comments to Sir Speedy president, Rich Lowe, who is among those meeting with Adobe tomorrow. I forwarded it just for good measure to add further support to the position of the only acceptable solution. Here's his reply. It's not much, but it *does* stongly suggest that those attending the meeting on our behalf do NOT consider the breaking of the contract to be an improbable mission. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Michael, Thanks for the info. Everyone that is speaking with Adobe is giving them the same story, anything less than taking it off is unacceptable. I will let you know how it goes. Rich ------------------------------ *-- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon * _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jdaghir at gmail.com Tue Jul 17 09:06:25 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Tue Jul 17 09:06:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Clip Art In-Reply-To: References: <20070219152407.4E2586D628D@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <83d5b9620707170606y54ccb715q2dd32113cda5bb0a@mail.gmail.com> We use Istock Photo: www.istockphoto.com -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Christopher said: > Looking for a on-line source for clip art > eps files and vector From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Tue Jul 17 09:27:27 2007 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Tue Jul 17 09:28:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe comments In-Reply-To: References: <004701c7c86e$79c54e40$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: <004d01c7c876$380694c0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> I had to ask. Gord Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc 2105 Midland Ave Unit 14 Scarborough, ON M1P 3E3 Ph: 416 298 6996 Fax: 416 298 2771 www.xoxocyberprint.com gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:04 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Adobe comments ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** "Would it settle things for you if they put in a button for Sir Speedy?" Gord Watt Gord - I can't speak for anybody but myself (and then often not too well), but my answer is an emphatic, "NO!" There are several reasons for that, and I won't bore you with any of them, except to say that your question asks if Michael would accept what, for me, would be an extremely short-sighted "solution" (i.e., one that "solves" nothing, while creating other problems). As I said in my email to Bruce C yesterday, "While it's now "too late" for my comments for be germane to your forum, as one of your ASPs and a now-former customer of your firm, NOTHING short of removal of the Kinko's links will ever be acceptable to this firm." Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Gordon Watt Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 8:32 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Adobe comments ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Xoxo Cyberprint Inc 2105 Midland Ave Unit 14 Scarborough, ON M1P 3E3 Ph: 416 298 6996 Fax: 416 298 2771 www.xoxocyberprint.com gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 5:38 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Adobe comments ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Earlier, I forwarded parts of Dan H's email about the Print Buyers' survey and its associated comments to Sir Speedy president, Rich Lowe, who is among those meeting with Adobe tomorrow. I forwarded it just for good measure to add further support to the position of the only acceptable solution. Here's his reply. It's not much, but it *does* stongly suggest that those attending the meeting on our behalf do NOT consider the breaking of the contract to be an improbable mission. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Michael, Thanks for the info. Everyone that is speaking with Adobe is giving them the same story, anything less than taking it off is unacceptable. I will let you know how it goes. Rich ------------------------------ *-- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon * _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dvmonto at optonline.net Tue Jul 17 09:51:11 2007 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Tue Jul 17 09:51:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe comments In-Reply-To: <004701c7c86e$79c54e40$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: On 7/17/07 8:32 AM, "Gordon Watt" wrote: > Would it settle things for you if they put in a button for Sir Speedy? No not for me. Would you be happy with that solution? If they removed the Kinko's link and gave everyone the option of putting a link to their own center, that might be an option. That way you can distribute to YOUR own customers instead of having Kinko's rammed down everyone's throat. -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 __/7__/7__/7__ \:::::::::::::::::::::::/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man who is not a liberal in his twenties has no heart, and a man who is not a conservative in his forties has no brain" - Churchill From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Jul 17 10:34:52 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Jul 17 10:34:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe comments In-Reply-To: <004701c7c86e$79c54e40$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> References: <98f5b19a0707161438k2523465dv3a1cb613ec5a28dc@mail.gmail.com> <004701c7c86e$79c54e40$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707170734w79100743t956e0d595ab9ff1f@mail.gmail.com> On 7/17/07, Gordon Watt wrote: > > Would it settle things for you if they put in a button for Sir Speedy? I'm not sure how you meant your question to be interpreted, Gord, but I find it insulting. What have I said here that has given you the impression that I might be so self-serving? We all vie for competitive advantage in one form or another. A smart preemptive move might corner one's market or carve a niche in a larger one. Fair enough: guerrilla marketing. This smart parasitic move on FXK's part, however, was a very dumb one for Adobe, since Adobe's survival depends on a mutually supportive relationship with its other partners -- i.e., the rest of the industry. This isn't a question of who gets the button. And Sir Speedy's president, like the other franchise and industry leaders who are attending this meeting, in participating to protect their own self-interests, will benefit the industry at large. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Tue Jul 17 10:55:08 2007 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Tue Jul 17 10:55:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe comments In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0707170734w79100743t956e0d595ab9ff1f@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0707161438k2523465dv3a1cb613ec5a28dc@mail.gmail.com><004701c7c86e$79c54e40$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> <98f5b19a0707170734w79100743t956e0d595ab9ff1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005501c7c882$78306650$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Michael Sorry, I didn't intend it to come across as an insult. You obviously want things to be fair. I thought it might be something that might come up at some point. I might add that I don't fault Kinko's at all for what they did, which was, of course, self-serving. I do find Adobe, on the other hand, guilty of mind-numbing hubris. Gord Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc 2105 Midland Ave Unit 14 Scarborough, ON M1P 3E3 Ph: 416 298 6996 Fax: 416 298 2771 www.xoxocyberprint.com gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com I'm not sure how you meant your question to be interpreted, Gord, but I find it insulting. What have I said here that has given you the impression that I might be so self-serving? Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mail at myprinter.biz Tue Jul 17 11:16:35 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Tue Jul 17 11:16:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe comments In-Reply-To: <005501c7c882$78306650$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: Gord & Michael - I don't fault either Kinko's or Adobe: They, like me, are just in this for the money, and I, unlike Michaeal, AM entirely self-serving. It just so happens that our interest are identical in this matter...and the good part of that for you is that you don't need to worry about my actions changing due to a change in motivation. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Gordon Watt Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 10:55 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Adobe comments ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Michael Sorry, I didn't intend it to come across as an insult. You obviously want things to be fair. I thought it might be something that might come up at some point. I might add that I don't fault Kinko's at all for what they did, which was, of course, self-serving. I do find Adobe, on the other hand, guilty of mind-numbing hubris. Gord Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc 2105 Midland Ave Unit 14 Scarborough, ON M1P 3E3 Ph: 416 298 6996 Fax: 416 298 2771 www.xoxocyberprint.com gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com I'm not sure how you meant your question to be interpreted, Gord, but I find it insulting. What have I said here that has given you the impression that I might be so self-serving? Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Jul 17 11:22:38 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 17 11:22:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe comments Message-ID: In a message dated 7/17/2007 10:35:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com writes: > Would it settle things for you if they put in a button for Sir Speedy? I'm not sure how you meant your question to be interpreted, Gord, but I find it insulting. What have I said here that has given you the impression that I might be so self-serving? We all vie for competitive advantage in one form or another. A smart preemptive move might corner one's market or carve a niche in a larger one. Fair enough: guerrilla marketing. This smart parasitic move on FXK's part, however, was a very dumb one for Adobe, since Adobe's survival depends on a mutually supportive relationship with its other partners -- i.e., the rest of the industry. This isn't a question of who gets the button. And Sir Speedy's president, like the other franchise and industry leaders who are attending this meeting, in participating to protect their own self-interests, will benefit the industry at large. Mike, I really don't think Gordon meant the question as an insult. Since this entire issue was raised a few weeks ago, I have tried to imagine myself in the position of FXK and or as president of a Franchise and ask myself whether I would have pushed such a deal, or accepted it if offered. I think the question is a fair question and I don't find it insulting whatsoever. At very first glance, if I was the president of a franchise and I was offered an exclusive button on Adobe Reader for $XXX dollars and I thought we could afford it, I might have jumped at it. I find absolutely no fault whatsoever with FXK's accomplishments in this regard. Nor would could I blame Sir Speedy, or Allegra or anyone else if the accomplished such a coup. How could you fault them? The blame, as I see it, is with the vendor. In this case it is with Adobe. In year's past it was Xerox. Years before that it was AM (Multigraphics.) Vendors who chose to openly compete with their customers. I don't understand how a company like Adobe could make such a short-sighted decision to clearly align itself with one customer while risking great animosity with the remainder of their customer base. Maybe later today we will have more answers than we have at present. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Jul 17 12:04:30 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Jul 17 12:04:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe comments In-Reply-To: <005501c7c882$78306650$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> References: <98f5b19a0707161438k2523465dv3a1cb613ec5a28dc@mail.gmail.com> <004701c7c86e$79c54e40$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> <98f5b19a0707170734w79100743t956e0d595ab9ff1f@mail.gmail.com> <005501c7c882$78306650$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707170904t7a930690jb7af0085eaafa14d@mail.gmail.com> On 7/17/07, Gordon Watt wrote: > I might add that I don't fault Kinko's at all for what they did, > which was, of course, self-serving. I do find Adobe, on the other hand, > guilty of mind-numbing hubris. Nor do I fault FXK, though I think THEY are the ones with the hubris to believe that Adobe would go along with their link idea. Adobe, on the other hand, is guilty of both acting on mind-numbing short-sightedness, and something akin to failure to uphold fiduciary trust. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Jul 17 12:33:04 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Jul 17 12:33:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe comments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707170933p7d265fb1u98b0f7ca87073463@mail.gmail.com> On 7/17/07, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > > I really don't think Gordon meant the question as an insult. Since this > entire issue was raised a few weeks ago, I have tried to imagine myself in the > position of FXK and or as president of a Franchise and ask myself whether I > would have pushed such a deal, or accepted it if offered. I think the question > is a fair question and I don't find it insulting whatsoever. I've had the very same question myself: if Sir Speedy could have wrangled this deal, would I have given them credit for having accomplished it? And the answer I come up with is "yes, of course," which is different from what I thought Gordon was asking. I'm afraid I took Gordon's question the way I did because, as a direct response to my forwarded message mentioning Rich Lowe's attendance at the Adobe meeting, I took it as a question about my would-be reaction to a hypothetical outcome. As I said, I don't fault FXK for their brazenly smart preemptive maneuver. I do fault Adobe for succumbing to it, thereby violating the trust implicit in a partnership with the printing industry as a whole, on whose support lies the success of their own products. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From jdaghir at gmail.com Tue Jul 17 13:20:06 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Tue Jul 17 13:20:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Stitching a book (with thread not wire) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83d5b9620707171020p6a6fee0by9d824254cd038e9d@mail.gmail.com> A bookbinder might be able to do this for you. I think what you're after is similar to smythe sewing or center sewing but I don't know what the proper term for it is. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Joe said: > I am looking to stitch (or sew might be a better word) a book on one > edge. If you think of a the way a DocuTech double edge stitches a > book, instead of the two staples you would sew the length of the book > with some type of thread?????? From robin at protypeonline.com Tue Jul 17 14:12:59 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Tue Jul 17 14:33:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Count Numbering machine Message-ID: <200707171322584.SM01132@[10.0.1.3]> I know a printer about 30 miles from me that has an old count numbermatic that is in great shape but she wants to sell for $4000 because her press operator/bindery guy won't use it -- prefers to send out for numbering and perforating! She agrees it is not right but she is close to retirement (I think) and is tired of fighting with him so she told me if I knew anyone that was interested in buying...I'm home today and don't have her phone number here. If you contact me with your name/phone, then I'll forward to her or post her info. when I get back in the shop....she did tell me she thinks she has two new numbering heads on it....and this is a floor model, friction feed. robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From carisa at holmesprinting.com Tue Jul 17 15:24:37 2007 From: carisa at holmesprinting.com (Carisa Holmes-Peters) Date: Tue Jul 17 15:24:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Handbooks....looking for samples and how to introduce it. In-Reply-To: <20070717160002.EDC8E9B0417@rb.enter.net> References: <20070717160002.EDC8E9B0417@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <322221CA-D19A-4739-B3BF-3AD2ABDC49A2@holmesprinting.com> Well, since the early 1990's when we went independent from PIP Printing we have not had a handbook. I am considering the introduction of one. There are just too many policies, rules and behaviors that seem to be forgotten by staff members over time and I would like something more formal to state these and then when they step outside we can correct them, document it and remind them of the policies in the handbook. Does anyone have a template they would be willing to share and how would you introduce this to your existing staff? Thanks so much! Carisa Carisa Holmes-Peters Administrative Office Manager HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com http://www.holmesprinting.com/ ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! POSTERS, BANNERS, INDOOR/OUTDOOR AND MORE - CALL TODAY! ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** From John at mpcny.com Tue Jul 17 16:46:01 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Tue Jul 17 16:45:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Major announcement soon and not renewing ASN Message-ID: <002601c7c8b3$7cd259d0$76770d70$@com> 1. A major vendor has found a way to disable the Kinko's button and have your customers use your own web system in place. 2. This will violate your ASN agreement but I feel that Adobe has done that to me with the Kinko's link. Adobe is in an 18-20 month update cycle. They are in about month 3 of CS3 so you're looking at a year or more before the next round of updates. Every one of us can let our renewals lapse and see no updates anyway. Yes, you're supposed to stop using the product but Adobe has no way as of yet to know or disable the programs. This gives Adobe a loss of revenue for this year after which time the Kinko's link will be over and we can re-up just in time for CS4. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.8/904 - Release Date: 7/16/2007 5:42 PM From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Jul 17 17:09:37 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Jul 17 17:09:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Major announcement soon and not renewing ASN In-Reply-To: <002601c7c8b3$7cd259d0$76770d70$@com> References: <002601c7c8b3$7cd259d0$76770d70$@com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707171409p97d9266y1cd5cd2e806872de@mail.gmail.com> On 7/17/07, John Henry wrote: > > 1. A major vendor has found a way to disable the Kinko's button and have > your customers use your own web system in place. Interesting, but it doesn't do much to keep those hordes who are not yet our customers from having access to and using the FXK link. And if you've ever tried to get customers to put a link to you on their computers, you already know what an uphill battle it is. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From pressexpress at bfm.org Tue Jul 17 17:50:21 2007 From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Tue Jul 17 17:50:40 2007 Subject: {Spam?} Re: [PrintOwners] Handbooks....looking for samples and how to introduce it. In-Reply-To: <322221CA-D19A-4739-B3BF-3AD2ABDC49A2@holmesprinting.com> References: <20070717160002.EDC8E9B0417@rb.enter.net> <322221CA-D19A-4739-B3BF-3AD2ABDC49A2@holmesprinting.com> Message-ID: <9F365ADB-B470-4BE8-B5A8-47FB229D992B@bfm.org> Printweb.org has one. We used that plus another to modify ours. I will email you directly ours. It is a quark, mac doc. You will need to go thru and taylor it to your needs. g On Jul 17, 2007, at 2:24 PM, Carisa Holmes-Peters wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Well, since the early 1990's when we went independent from PIP > Printing we have not had a handbook. I am considering the > introduction of one. There are just too many policies, rules and > behaviors that seem to be forgotten by staff members over time and > I would like something more formal to state these and then when > they step outside we can correct them, document it and remind them > of the policies in the handbook. > > Does anyone have a template they would be willing to share and how > would you introduce this to your existing staff? > > Thanks so much! > Carisa > > > Carisa Holmes-Peters > Administrative Office Manager > HOLMES Printing > 401 E. Columbia Street > Springfield, OH 45503 > Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 > Fax (937) 322-1601 > carisa@holmesprinting.com > http://www.holmesprinting.com/ > > ********************************************************************** > ***************************************************************** > WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! POSTERS, BANNERS, INDOOR/OUTDOOR AND > MORE - CALL TODAY! > ********************************************************************** > ***************************************************************** > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From hal at pickimp.com Tue Jul 17 17:55:57 2007 From: hal at pickimp.com (Hal Wendt) Date: Tue Jul 17 17:56:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Major announcement soon and not renewing ASN References: <002601c7c8b3$7cd259d0$76770d70$@com> Message-ID: <001b01c7c8bd$43dbc940$0301a8c0@sbcglobal.net> That's probably Extensis. Hal Wendt IMP Printing & Graphics Design Southgate, Michigan USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Henry" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 4:46 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Major announcement soon and not renewing ASN > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > 1. A major vendor has found a way to disable the Kinko's button and have > your customers use your own web system in place. > > 2. This will violate your ASN agreement but I feel that Adobe has done that > to me with the Kinko's link. Adobe is in an 18-20 month update cycle. They > are in about month 3 of CS3 so you're looking at a year or more before the > next round of updates. Every one of us can let our renewals lapse and see no > updates anyway. > > Yes, you're supposed to stop using the product but Adobe has no way as of > yet to know or disable the programs. This gives Adobe a loss of revenue for > this year after which time the Kinko's link will be over and we can re-up > just in time for CS4. > > > > John M. Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company > 125-129 East First Street > Oswego, New York 13126 > (315) 343-3531 > (315) 343-3577 Fax > www.mpcny.com > John@mpcny.com > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.8/904 - Release Date: 7/16/2007 > 5:42 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From rpooler at adelphia.net Tue Jul 17 18:10:26 2007 From: rpooler at adelphia.net (rpooler@adelphia.net) Date: Tue Jul 17 18:10:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Items listed on ebay Message-ID: <30396201.1184710226473.JavaMail.root@web25> I have listed several items on ebay that I have left over from my shop. You can find them by searching for my listings as a seller under "rpooleraz". I closed the shop the end of May 2006. I coasted through the summer and in October found a job with the Quechan Indian tribe taking care of their computer systems. I oversee 150 machines in 15 different buildings over a 3 square mile area so I am on the run almost every day. Robert Pooler rpooler@roadrunner.com 928-246-2457 From randy.o at gwins.cc Tue Jul 17 18:02:27 2007 From: randy.o at gwins.cc (Randy Osmon) Date: Tue Jul 17 18:13:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Stitching a book (with thread not wire) In-Reply-To: <20070717215044.484DF9B1DD0@rb.enter.net> References: <20070717215044.484DF9B1DD0@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: We recently did this for a small book with front & back cover weight stock and 5 sheets of text weight inside pages. We found a company with an industrial sewing machine to do the work for us. It turned out great. It was an invitation to a swanky grand opening, so it did not have to hold up to repeated use. Don't know how well it would hold up. Randy Osmon Gwin's Commercial Printing 957 Springhill Avenue Mobile, AL 36604 251.438.2226 ext 307 251.438.1959 fax randy.o@gwins.cc On Jul 17, 2007, at 4:50 PM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > Joe said: >> I am looking to stitch (or sew might be a better word) a book on one >> edge. If you think of a the way a DocuTech double edge stitches a >> book, instead of the two staples you would sew the length of the book >> with some type of thread?????? From cpurvine1 at cox.net Tue Jul 17 18:26:29 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Tue Jul 17 18:26:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Major announcement soon and not renewing ASN In-Reply-To: <002601c7c8b3$7cd259d0$76770d70$@com> References: <002601c7c8b3$7cd259d0$76770d70$@com> Message-ID: <00de01c7c8c1$85ad29f0$0300a8c0@corapurvine> Wonder how much they will charge to renew the ASN membership after all the lost revenue??? Maybe do away with the ASN program???? If it was me, I would. We still need their programs to make a living and sometime we will have to update...... unless someone else comes along and offers something better Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From jedwards at printzilla.net Tue Jul 17 21:46:26 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Tue Jul 17 22:00:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Major announcement soon and not renewing ASN In-Reply-To: <00de01c7c8c1$85ad29f0$0300a8c0@corapurvine> References: <002601c7c8b3$7cd259d0$76770d70$@com> <00de01c7c8c1$85ad29f0$0300a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: On Jul 17, 2007, at 5:26 PM, Cora Purvine wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Wonder how much they will charge to renew the ASN membership after > all the > lost revenue??? Maybe do away with the ASN program???? If it was me, I > would. > Maybe it will be like Publisher. If you promise to accept the files they'll give you the software for free. Jack Edwards ORN, Texas From bcreighton at danielsprinting.us Tue Jul 17 22:59:19 2007 From: bcreighton at danielsprinting.us (Bill Creighton) Date: Tue Jul 17 23:44:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printing News - 2007-07-18 - Quark Announces Free Commercial Use of QuarkXPress for Students Worldwide Message-ID: <469D8207.6090900@danielsprinting.us> Isn't this interesting? http://members.whattheythink.com/news/newslink.cfm?id=27973 From jdaghir at gmail.com Wed Jul 18 08:47:58 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Wed Jul 18 08:48:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printblogger is here In-Reply-To: <000801c7c587$2304c340$690e49c0$@com> References: <20070713192718.E3AB799809C@rb.enter.net> <000801c7c587$2304c340$690e49c0$@com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620707180547h1e651107n1e2195aa9bbc1e9f@mail.gmail.com> John Henry - Voice For Printers speaking to the entire world. Sometimes truth IS stranger than fiction. God help us all. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com John said: > I have reached a new ream of notoriety (infamy) and am not only been quoted > in the US publications, but just today in the UK. In fact I was even asked > to write for some web ezines. I hope John S does not spit to much coffee his > keyboard. From pressexpress at bfm.org Wed Jul 18 09:59:41 2007 From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Wed Jul 18 09:59:48 2007 Subject: {Spam?} Re: [PrintOwners] Items listed on ebay In-Reply-To: <30396201.1184710226473.JavaMail.root@web25> References: <30396201.1184710226473.JavaMail.root@web25> Message-ID: what type of items and how do we find them on ebay? G On Jul 17, 2007, at 5:10 PM, wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have listed several items on ebay that I have left over from my > shop. You can find them by searching for my listings as a seller > under "rpooleraz". > > I closed the shop the end of May 2006. I coasted through the summer > and in October found a job with the Quechan Indian tribe taking > care of their computer systems. I oversee 150 machines in 15 > different buildings over a 3 square mile area so I am on the run > almost every day. > > Robert Pooler > rpooler@roadrunner.com > 928-246-2457 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From priorityprinting at comcast.net Wed Jul 18 11:01:48 2007 From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net) Date: Wed Jul 18 11:01:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's Message-ID: <071820071501.28455.469E2B5C0005102100006F2722070016410902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> It is apparent to us all that the decision for the Kinko's link was totally based upon making money for Adobe. It also seems to me that they are giving independent printers nothing but lip service at this point. The longer they delay action the more time they can assess the profit potential of the agreement. I'm sure that the Adobe considers the e-mails to be a nuisance and should be continued, but the name of the game for Adobe is making more money. As arrogant as they are I do not feel that they will take any significant action unless they see it have an impact on their bottom line. If we continue to complain but purchase their products or renew as ASN service providers then they win. With their arrogance I believe that they think printers have no other choices for software and in time this issue will go away or at least die down. How do we make it have an impact financially? In my humble opinion we need to hurt Adobe financially in any way we can. I would love to see Adobe banned from Graph Expo but realize this is not likely. I will definitely be paying a visit to their booth to tell them I will not purchase any products until the link is removed. Hopefully, Adobe will have no one in their booth at trade shows unless it is to voice a complaint. I will refuse to send any employee to an Adobe training seminar. We can complain all we want but if this link improves Adobe's bottom line they will do nothing but continue with lip service. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 From printer at ptialaska.net Wed Jul 18 11:10:15 2007 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Wed Jul 18 11:10:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's In-Reply-To: <071820071501.28455.469E2B5C0005102100006F2722070016410902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> References: <071820071501.28455.469E2B5C0005102100006F2722070016410902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <124A7A25-1387-4F25-8388-1352737CC2A5@ptialaska.net> On Jul 18, 2007, at 7:01 AM, priorityprinting@comcast.net wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > I would love to see Adobe banned from Graph Expo but realize this > is not likely. I will definitely be paying a visit to their booth > to tell them I will not purchase any products until the link is > removed. Hopefully, Adobe will have no one in their booth at > trade shows unless it is to voice a complaint. I will refuse to > send any employee to an Adobe training seminar. We can complain > all we want but if this link improves Adobe's bottom line they will > do nothing but continue with lip service. REPLY: Hmmm, interesting. How about a protest at the events where the have a booth? I am sure adobe would not appreciate the negative press... _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From prtquick at eos.net Wed Jul 18 11:36:44 2007 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Wed Jul 18 11:11:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] he quit. In-Reply-To: <9F365ADB-B470-4BE8-B5A8-47FB229D992B@bfm.org> References: <20070717160002.EDC8E9B0417@rb.enter.net> <322221CA-D19A-4739-B3BF-3AD2ABDC49A2@holmesprinting.com> <9F365ADB-B470-4BE8-B5A8-47FB229D992B@bfm.org> Message-ID: <4db840ae1edc5eaab6a15943e0eae74b@eos.net> Well, I'm finally done with my troublesome employee you have all given me reams of advice about. And yes, you were all correct, I should have done this last year- or even sooner. It is debatable, I suppose, whether he quit or I fired him. I have never had to let anyone go before (everyone else here is a gem) so what am I in for now? After an earful about all his greivances, he asked if he should leave now or give me 2 weeks? I said if you are leaving, leave now. He threatened to to take me to court for 'age discrimination'. He's gonna call OSHA, He's gonna get a lawyer, etc etc. I have written down our exact conversation. He would not sign the form (the one someone on this list sent me). He even came back in to cuss me out a little bit more and I thought he was going to take a swing! Dad had my back. Yes, everyone here is relieved. I won't let one fester like that again. Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit us in our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing From sos at olympus.net Wed Jul 18 11:23:14 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed Jul 18 11:23:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printing News - 2007-07-18 - Quark Announces Free Commercial Use of QuarkXPress for Students Worldwide References: <469D8207.6090900@danielsprinting.us> Message-ID: <002101c7c94f$8fc4fec0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Quark Announces Free Commercial Use of QuarkXPress for Students Worldwide I think that's a very good move on Quark's part. You've got to make hay while the sun shines, and boy is it shining right now thanks to Adobe's idototic move. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From k_graham at hotmail.com Wed Jul 18 11:29:05 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Wed Jul 18 11:29:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's - drop in stocks is probably what matters. References: <071820071501.28455.469E2B5C0005102100006F2722070016410902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: > It is apparent to us all that the decision for the Kinko's link was > totally based upon making money for Adobe. It also seems to me that they > are giving independent printers nothing but lip service at this point. > The longer they delay action the more time they can assess the profit > potential of the agreement. Might want to discuss the problem via http://finance.google.com/finance?q=ADBE Then Discuss Adobe Link http://finance.google.com/group/google.finance.4112/topics Of course whats really necessary is providing links to what users think - any print columns, boycott threats, blogs. Can we get some of those links again? Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 Dawson Creek BC Canada V1G 2G5 From printer at ptialaska.net Wed Jul 18 10:44:13 2007 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Wed Jul 18 11:46:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobes Mess Message-ID: <9B3E24F6-CE8C-41C9-99CB-FD14D3508EF7@ptialaska.net> Here is a letter I sent explaining my disgust. From: printer@ptialaska.net Subject: What a MESS! Date: July 18, 2007 6:42:26 AM AKDT To: printfeedback@adobe.com This under the table deal with the devil reminds me of Xerox thinking they could set up their own copy shops (XRC) to compete with the very folks who use their machines. That did not work either. Didn't your mom ever tell you that you do not bite the hand that feeds you? I will consider NOT renewing my ASN membership when it comes up for renewal and begin looking for alternatives. Honestly, WHAT WERE YOU THINKING! Sincerely, _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com Wed Jul 18 11:48:50 2007 From: s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com (Sonya Hughes) Date: Wed Jul 18 11:51:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Prius delivery vehicle In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <07C5DC94-F115-47E3-82FC-A1F21C2A3BD1@legendsofdodgecity.com> Whew, John. For a minute there I thought you were going to throw in Kansas. Sonya Legends Printing Dodge City, KS On Jul 13, 2007, at 12:08 PM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > In a message dated 7/13/2007 12:47:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > ewingandsons@sbcglobal.net writes: > > We as a nation have this not in my > back yard mentality and it's coming home to roost in the form of high > energy bills. Lets encourage drilling, coal production and nuclear > energy and watch the economy take off. > > > > Well, if I was President I would first disband Congress and then I > would > take one or two of our lessor used and populated states like Nevada > or Colorado > and just cover them entirely with Solar Cells. Hey, there are other > places to > gamble and ski so it isn't that big a deal and I think most > Americans would > go for it, but I really wouldn't care.... I would be the "decider" > and make > the rules. If folks wanted to live beneath the solar cells that > would be fine, > but we would use 90% of just one or two of these states and use > them to > generate electricity for the rest of the country. > > We could consider other states like ND or SD but I'm not sure how > much sun > they get year around. New Mexico is a possibility but all the > illegal aliens > crossing over every day would probably vandalize the solar > cells.... then > again, if we really do the solar cell thing right in Nevada and > Colorado we could > probably generate enough excess electricity to allow us to > electrify the > entire Rio Grande River and that would help solve another big > problem. Anyone > attempting to cross the river by swimming or wading would be > immediately > electrocuted, which would be a permanent solution at least for > them..... > > I have other ideas for generating more power and solving immigration > problems, but they would be considered too controversial! > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http:// > www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all- > new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From pressexpress at bfm.org Wed Jul 18 12:10:44 2007 From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Wed Jul 18 12:11:16 2007 Subject: {Spam?} Re: [PrintOwners] he quit. In-Reply-To: <4db840ae1edc5eaab6a15943e0eae74b@eos.net> References: <20070717160002.EDC8E9B0417@rb.enter.net> <322221CA-D19A-4739-B3BF-3AD2ABDC49A2@holmesprinting.com> <9F365ADB-B470-4BE8-B5A8-47FB229D992B@bfm.org> <4db840ae1edc5eaab6a15943e0eae74b@eos.net> Message-ID: <5EE45D7A-565B-4222-9314-3EE4AD683093@bfm.org> Been there more than once. He will probably go for the unemployment. The unemployment office will call and interview you and him and make a decision. I too let things happen way too long and it is for this reason the employee was eligible for unemployment. Their reasoning? "Though the actions of the employee were not in the best interest of the company, and were indeed wrong, since the employer let it go on way too long, the employee considered this as acceptable behavior". Believe it or not! I had one employee try to sue me, I had another hoot and holler, and I thought I too was to be punched. And I had another give me the big lecture like you got. And yes, they never want to sign anything that will incriminate them. Bottom line, employee's either leave on good terms or bad. There seems to be no in-between. The ones that left on good terms, we are now good friends, the bad ones? Well you can imagine. Give unemployment your story and hope it fly's. You can appeal but be ready for a fight. sometimes it is just better to let him collect and move on your way. Don't let him scare you, he is just pissed and barking loud. You are better off with your better crew. G On Jul 18, 2007, at 10:36 AM, Scott Finke wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Well, I'm finally done with my troublesome employee you have all > given me reams of advice about. And yes, you were all correct, I > should have done this last year- or even sooner. > > It is debatable, I suppose, whether he quit or I fired him. I have > never had to let anyone go before (everyone else here is a gem) so > what am I in for now? After an earful about all his greivances, he > asked if he should leave now or give me 2 weeks? I said if you are > leaving, leave now. He threatened to to take me to court for 'age > discrimination'. He's gonna call OSHA, He's gonna get a lawyer, etc > etc. > > I have written down our exact conversation. He would not sign the > form (the one someone on this list sent me). He even came back in > to cuss me out a little bit more and I thought he was going to take > a swing! Dad had my back. > > Yes, everyone here is relieved. I won't let one fester like that > again. > > Scott Finke > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Visit us in our new location! > > Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. > 8630 Winton Road > Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Phone: (513) 522.2679 > Fax (513) 522.2692 > Email: info@brentwood-printing.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > www.Brentwood-Printing.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Send us your file at: > http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Quick. Quality. Printing > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com Wed Jul 18 12:18:10 2007 From: s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com (Sonya Hughes) Date: Wed Jul 18 12:21:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Major announcement soon and not renewing ASN In-Reply-To: References: <002601c7c8b3$7cd259d0$76770d70$@com> <00de01c7c8c1$85ad29f0$0300a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <89215F11-09CA-4F83-B60C-F8D4DAA900B3@legendsofdodgecity.com> Going through some older emails here ... hope I don't make anyone nuts. I apologize ... I think I remember a thread a few weeks ago about Publisher. Has anyone heard back from them? I don't anymore, and would like to retain the relationship. A belated thanks to the responders on my stitcher problem. Your help was appreciated. Thanks, Sonya Hughes Legends Printing Dodge City, KS On Jul 17, 2007, at 8:46 PM, Jack Edwards wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > On Jul 17, 2007, at 5:26 PM, Cora Purvine wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Wonder how much they will charge to renew the ASN membership after >> all the >> lost revenue??? Maybe do away with the ASN program???? If it was >> me, I >> would. >> > > > Maybe it will be like Publisher. If you promise to accept the files > they'll give you the software for free. > > Jack Edwards > ORN, Texas > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From tstrickland at studiodesignsprinting.com Wed Jul 18 13:00:37 2007 From: tstrickland at studiodesignsprinting.com (tstrickland@studiodesignsprinting.com) Date: Wed Jul 18 13:00:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] pressure seal checks/forms References: <002601c7c8b3$7cd259d0$76770d70$@com><00de01c7c8c1$85ad29f0$0300a8c0@corapurvine> <89215F11-09CA-4F83-B60C-F8D4DAA900B3@legendsofdodgecity.com> Message-ID: <008a01c7c95d$2a759940$05000100@TravisComp> Does anyone currently supply any of your customers with pressure seal checks or forms? Our local city water dept. has asked us to quote on a handful of new forms they are using. First batch came from the software/equipment installers, but now they want to try and keep local. This is the first time I've seen the pressure seal forms like this and I need to find a trade source. Thanks, Travis Studio Designs Printing Milledgeville, GA 31061 478-452-7721 From russ at mobile-print.com Wed Jul 18 14:02:25 2007 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Wed Jul 18 13:05:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] he quit. In-Reply-To: <4db840ae1edc5eaab6a15943e0eae74b@eos.net> References: <20070717160002.EDC8E9B0417@rb.enter.net> <322221CA-D19A-4739-B3BF-3AD2ABDC49A2@holmesprinting.com> <9F365ADB-B470-4BE8-B5A8-47FB229D992B@bfm.org> <4db840ae1edc5eaab6a15943e0eae74b@eos.net> Message-ID: <469E55B1.5060407@mobile-print.com> > I have written down our exact conversation. He would not sign the form > (the one someone on this list sent me). He even came back in to cuss > me out a little bit more and I thought he was going to take a swing! > Dad had my back. > We refuse to release the final paycheck unless the (ex) employee signs a termination form. There's a space for him/her to write down their comments and/or objections, so there's really no reason NOT to sign. Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847-398-6155 Fax: 847-398-0788 From prtquick at eos.net Wed Jul 18 13:40:33 2007 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Wed Jul 18 13:15:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] he quit. In-Reply-To: <469E55B1.5060407@mobile-print.com> References: <20070717160002.EDC8E9B0417@rb.enter.net> <322221CA-D19A-4739-B3BF-3AD2ABDC49A2@holmesprinting.com> <9F365ADB-B470-4BE8-B5A8-47FB229D992B@bfm.org> <4db840ae1edc5eaab6a15943e0eae74b@eos.net> <469E55B1.5060407@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: <91adfff7afb081a4dd95b7a24a187b29@eos.net> Yeah, I was going to make him do that to get his check, but I really just wanted him to leave before things got any more interesting. Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit us in our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing On Jul 18, 2007, at 2:02 PM, Russ Peters wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >> I have written down our exact conversation. He would not sign the >> form (the one someone on this list sent me). He even came back in to >> cuss me out a little bit more and I thought he was going to take a >> swing! Dad had my back. >> > > We refuse to release the final paycheck unless the (ex) employee signs > a termination form. There's a space for him/her to write down their > comments and/or objections, so there's really no reason NOT to sign. > > > Russ Peters > MOBILE PRINT, INC. > 201 W. Central Road > Mount Prospect, IL 60056 > Phone: 847-398-6155 > Fax: 847-398-0788 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Jul 18 13:23:10 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Jul 18 13:23:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] pressure seal checks/forms In-Reply-To: <008a01c7c95d$2a759940$05000100@TravisComp> References: <002601c7c8b3$7cd259d0$76770d70$@com> <00de01c7c8c1$85ad29f0$0300a8c0@corapurvine> <89215F11-09CA-4F83-B60C-F8D4DAA900B3@legendsofdodgecity.com> <008a01c7c95d$2a759940$05000100@TravisComp> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707181023s5f9625d4l52da6fd170989140@mail.gmail.com> On 7/18/07, tstrickland@studiodesignsprinting.com wrote: > > Does anyone currently supply any of your customers with pressure seal checks or forms? I have no idea what they are, but this Google ad showed up next to your email: Pressure Seal Forms Relyco stock and custom pressure seal checks and forms. www.relyco.com -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From keli at parchmentpress.net Wed Jul 18 13:23:03 2007 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Wed Jul 18 13:23:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Major announcement soon and not renewing ASN In-Reply-To: <89215F11-09CA-4F83-B60C-F8D4DAA900B3@legendsofdodgecity.com> References: <002601c7c8b3$7cd259d0$76770d70$@com> <00de01c7c8c1$85ad29f0$0300a8c0@corapurvine> <89215F11-09CA-4F83-B60C-F8D4DAA900B3@legendsofdodgecity.com> Message-ID: <469E4C77.2020709@parchmentpress.net> Sonya, this is the number that I have for Customer Service for the PSPP program 1-800-765-7768 I also have this number and email: Work: 425-635-3142 E-Mail: pspp@microsoft.com Good luck! Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Parchment Press is a Cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes Communities - To learn more about our community and what we are all about - please feel free to email me off list or visit our website at : http://www.twelvetribes.com Sonya Hughes wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Going through some older emails here ... hope I don't make anyone > nuts. I apologize ... > > I think I remember a thread a few weeks ago about Publisher. Has > anyone heard back from them? I don't anymore, and would like to retain > the relationship. > > A belated thanks to the responders on my stitcher problem. Your help > was appreciated. > > Thanks, > Sonya Hughes > Legends Printing > Dodge City, KS > > > On Jul 17, 2007, at 8:46 PM, Jack Edwards wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> On Jul 17, 2007, at 5:26 PM, Cora Purvine wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> Wonder how much they will charge to renew the ASN membership after >>> all the >>> lost revenue??? Maybe do away with the ASN program???? If it was me, I >>> would. >>> >> >> >> Maybe it will be like Publisher. If you promise to accept the files >> they'll give you the software for free. >> >> Jack Edwards >> ORN, Texas >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From si at ria.net Wed Jul 18 13:31:29 2007 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Wed Jul 18 13:32:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] pressure seal checks/forms In-Reply-To: <008a01c7c95d$2a759940$05000100@TravisComp> References: <002601c7c8b3$7cd259d0$76770d70$@com> <00de01c7c8c1$85ad29f0$0300a8c0@corapurvine> <89215F11-09CA-4F83-B60C-F8D4DAA900B3@legendsofdodgecity.com> <008a01c7c95d$2a759940$05000100@TravisComp> Message-ID: <20070718103146.D68605C3@pop15.mta.everyone.net> At 01:00 PM 7/18/2007, Travis Strickland wrote: >Does anyone currently supply any of your customers with pressure >seal checks or forms? Pressure Seal documents is one of Wilmer's specialties. http://www.4wilmer.com/products/pressure_seal/psmailers_documents.html Doug -- Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From Minmandon at aol.com Wed Jul 18 13:47:07 2007 From: Minmandon at aol.com (Minmandon@aol.com) Date: Wed Jul 18 13:47:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] he quit. Message-ID: In a message dated 7/18/2007 1:07:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, russ@mobile-print.com writes: We refuse to release the final paycheck unless the (ex) employee signs a termination form. There's a space for him/her to write down their comments and/or objections, so there's really no reason NOT to sign. I have a friend that is a senior VP in human Resources at Federated (Macy's). She has told me that when employees refuse to sign they are asked to write down that they are refusing to sign termination papers. She said that it is amazing how many people write that they refuse to sign. Might be something to try. Don Carney Minuteman Press Deerfield 954 421-9904 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From steveh at metrowestprinting.com Wed Jul 18 14:16:17 2007 From: steveh at metrowestprinting.com (Steve Hitner) Date: Wed Jul 18 14:16:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 9110 and Variable Data Message-ID: <042701c7c967$c12a0740$1cfea8c0@Steveh> We have a Heidleberg 9110. When we send over a mail merge, the processing seams to take forever. Has anyone solved this problem? Thanks in advance for your advice. Best Regards, Steve Hitner METROWEST Printing Marlborough, Ma 508-481-6699 steveh@metrowestprinting.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Jul 18 14:31:42 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Jul 18 14:31:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 9110 and Variable Data In-Reply-To: <042701c7c967$c12a0740$1cfea8c0@Steveh> References: <042701c7c967$c12a0740$1cfea8c0@Steveh> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707181131o7b676a41qe307c67335beec84@mail.gmail.com> On 7/18/07, Steve Hitner wrote: > > We have a Heidleberg 9110. When we send over a mail merge, the processing seams to take forever. Has anyone solved this problem? More info needed: How did you send the files? What software was used? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Wed Jul 18 14:29:13 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Wed Jul 18 14:31:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] he quit In-Reply-To: <20070718173216.094F59B70AB@rb.enter.net> References: <20070718173216.094F59B70AB@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <0d164340fb5f9bf9f19724836b6581ae@sheergraphics.com> We also add the following statement to the letter: "I acknowledge that I have quit Sheer Graphics voluntarily of my own accord and that I have received my final paycheck. (Signed by the ex-employee to be) As I present this to the future former employee for his signature, his final paycheck is protruding out of my shirt pocket ready for me to release! From my archives: ------------------------------------------------------------- Message Number: 13 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:16:18 -0400 From: "Chris Cochran" Subject: Re: employee quitting Just type up a letter stating that as far as the company is concerned the employee left in good standing and that you accept their resignation. Have them sign and date 2 copies of it in front of the Production Mgr., or another employee. And then have the witness sign and date them. Give one to the employee and keep one on file for yourself. Most of the time the employee will not hesitate to do it as they think the copy they keep will serve as a positive reference, when in fact it would just give most employers a name and number to call to check the employee out. This has worked in North Carolina with out a hitch so far. ------------------------------------------------------------- Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From russ at mobile-print.com Wed Jul 18 16:10:30 2007 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Wed Jul 18 15:13:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's In-Reply-To: <124A7A25-1387-4F25-8388-1352737CC2A5@ptialaska.net> References: <071820071501.28455.469E2B5C0005102100006F2722070016410902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> <124A7A25-1387-4F25-8388-1352737CC2A5@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: <469E73B6.5090302@mobile-print.com> I just received an e-newsletter, InRegister from American Printer magazine. They're soliciting opinions from readers. Here's the article and the e-mail addy to send your opinions! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ * Let Kinkos do it'* Ken Chaletzky, president of Copy General Corp. (Dulles VA), copied AMERICAN PRINTER on his correspondence with Adobe: "I have no problem with Kinko's having this plug-in," writes Chaletzky. "I don't even have a problem with Adobe having created this plug-in. What I, and most of my colleagues object to, is Adobe distributing this plug-in to every Adobe Acrobat and Reader user. "If this was done truly to benefit 'customers who already are printing and shipping through FedEx/Kinko's', [as Adobe says], then it should have been up to Kinko's to distribute this plug-in to /their/ customers, rather than for Adobe to distribute it to everyone else's customers. "Adobe's response to this fiasco is obvious. Adobe should immediately issue yet another update that will remove this addition to the program[s] and let FedEx/Kinko's distribute it to their clients that want it." *What do you think?* Readers: What's your take on this issue? If you want to share your opinion with your fellow printers, please send your thoughts to KOB@americanprinter.com. Please include your full name and company affiliation. Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847-398-6155 Fax: 847-398-0788 From robin at protypeonline.com Wed Jul 18 15:19:59 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed Jul 18 15:20:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: he quit Message-ID: Scott, Unfortunately Jim has had a similar situation with one of his farm employees -- over 10 years ago BUT his employee called OHSA and it ended up costing the farm over $20,000 and tons of headaches. Short of the long -- anyone at all can call OHSA and file a complaint and they don't seem to care who the person is or why they are making the call/complaint -- they just race in and investigate. I sure hope this doesn't happen to you because OSHA can be about as over-the-top with their "codes" as public school districts!!!! Usually, when I have let an employee "go" -- after i tell them I think it is unrealistic to expect them to stay and be productive for 2 weeks. And, since it was my decision, I give them 2 weeks severance pay -- time to look for another job and it also gives them time to 'cool down' while they are still technically employed by me. I know it would be a tough pill to swallow but it might save you from big headaches and potentially spending more than 2 weeks pay, but maybe you could give this guy 2 weeks. I could be looking through my rose- colored glasses and it may not help at all. When you get done being upset with this guy, think it through and talk with some legal representation ASAP, try to keep pride in check and do what is best for the business. Also.....all employees will be watching how you handle this -- even the good ones will look at this as precedence setting. Good Luck. robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From jgross at techiowa.com Wed Jul 18 15:27:16 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Wed Jul 18 15:27:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Business Card Templates Message-ID: <000001c7c971$a6ca4630$1e00000a@tech.local> We're looking for the function that allows us to fill in one business card variable data in a template (or one of several templates) that will then populate a sheet of 12 up business cards. I would really expect one of our programs to do this or an add-on to achieve this. I would appreciate any clues. Thanks John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com From mail at myprinter.biz Wed Jul 18 15:29:27 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Wed Jul 18 15:29:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's In-Reply-To: <469E73B6.5090302@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: Russ - Thanks for the info. I've already emailed kob@americanprinter and copied it to PONG. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Russ Peters Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 4:11 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I just received an e-newsletter, InRegister from American Printer magazine. They're soliciting opinions from readers. Here's the article and the e-mail addy to send your opinions! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ * Let Kinkos do it'* Ken Chaletzky, president of Copy General Corp. (Dulles VA), copied AMERICAN PRINTER on his correspondence with Adobe: "I have no problem with Kinko's having this plug-in," writes Chaletzky. "I don't even have a problem with Adobe having created this plug-in. What I, and most of my colleagues object to, is Adobe distributing this plug-in to every Adobe Acrobat and Reader user. "If this was done truly to benefit 'customers who already are printing and shipping through FedEx/Kinko's', [as Adobe says], then it should have been up to Kinko's to distribute this plug-in to /their/ customers, rather than for Adobe to distribute it to everyone else's customers. "Adobe's response to this fiasco is obvious. Adobe should immediately issue yet another update that will remove this addition to the program[s] and let FedEx/Kinko's distribute it to their clients that want it." *What do you think?* Readers: What's your take on this issue? If you want to share your opinion with your fellow printers, please send your thoughts to KOB@americanprinter.com. Please include your full name and company affiliation. Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847-398-6155 Fax: 847-398-0788 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ron at printingconcepts.com Wed Jul 18 15:40:38 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Wed Jul 18 15:35:35 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] he quit. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: As soon as someone who is quitting indicates they will not give us a termination letter, we call a witness into the room and repeat in front of them: "It is our understanding that you are quitting, is that correct? (YES). And you are also indicating that you refuse to sign a statement indicating that you are quitting, is that correct, (YES)." Then we have both the witness and myself sign a statement indicating what we just heard. Count on him applying for unemployment, and if you have the above statement, at least you have a fighting chance. Legally, I don't believe you can withhold a check for any time worked. But hanging on to the last check will at least get them back in to at least have the conversation described above. We have buried in our handbook a clause that says ex-employees are not permitted onto the property. We also have a small no trespassing sign. We were advised to do this by the police so that we would have immediate cause to have the police come out if a bad actor appeared and we needed them out of there fast. Of course, we have ex-employees visit all the time, many have returned to work here, but the above is in case a bad actor surfaces. I did fire a guy once who physically threatened me, and he had the friends and contacts to do it. We found out later he had done time in an out of state prison. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Minmandon@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 1:47 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] he quit. ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 7/18/2007 1:07:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, russ@mobile-print.com writes: We refuse to release the final paycheck unless the (ex) employee signs a termination form. There's a space for him/her to write down their comments and/or objections, so there's really no reason NOT to sign. I have a friend that is a senior VP in human Resources at Federated (Macy's). She has told me that when employees refuse to sign they are asked to write down that they are refusing to sign termination papers. She said that it is amazing how many people write that they refuse to sign. Might be something to try. Don Carney Minuteman Press Deerfield 954 421-9904 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Jul 18 15:44:38 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Jul 18 15:44:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's In-Reply-To: <469E73B6.5090302@mobile-print.com> References: <071820071501.28455.469E2B5C0005102100006F2722070016410902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> <124A7A25-1387-4F25-8388-1352737CC2A5@ptialaska.net> <469E73B6.5090302@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707181244p1507acbdp2680f6503e6c1283@mail.gmail.com> Ken Chaletsky's solution is the best I've seen. It could be a win for everybody if Adobe would offer a similar plug-in to all at some *fixed* price. BUT(!) -- IF Adobe is really intent on an annuitized, transaction-based revenue stream, then we must be very wary of this approach because we'll end up paying a vig for every order we would have gotten anyway. Remember, based on what was said by Adobe at yesterday's meeting, they're looking for ways to keep people from exiting the program in order to print their jobs. The fact that Adobe wants to wrest this control from the unsuspecting -- in the guise of making things easier -- should be seen as the wild waving of a big red flag. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon On 7/18/07, Russ Peters wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I just received an e-newsletter, InRegister from American Printer magazine. > They're soliciting opinions from readers. Here's the article and the > e-mail addy to send your opinions! > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > * > > Let Kinkos do it'* > Ken Chaletzky, president of Copy General Corp. (Dulles VA), copied > AMERICAN PRINTER on his correspondence with Adobe: "I have no problem > with Kinko's having this plug-in," writes Chaletzky. "I don't even have > a problem with Adobe having created this plug-in. What I, and most of my > colleagues object to, is Adobe distributing this plug-in to every Adobe > Acrobat and Reader user. > > "If this was done truly to benefit 'customers who already are printing > and shipping through FedEx/Kinko's', [as Adobe says], then it should > have been up to Kinko's to distribute this plug-in to /their/ customers, > rather than for Adobe to distribute it to everyone else's customers. > > "Adobe's response to this fiasco is obvious. Adobe should immediately > issue yet another update that will remove this addition to the > program[s] and let FedEx/Kinko's distribute it to their clients that > want it." > > *What do you think?* > Readers: What's your take on this issue? If you want to share your > opinion with your fellow printers, please send your thoughts to > KOB@americanprinter.com. Please include > your full name and company affiliation. > > > > > Russ Peters > MOBILE PRINT, INC. > 201 W. Central Road > Mount Prospect, IL 60056 > Phone: 847-398-6155 > Fax: 847-398-0788 From mail at myprinter.biz Wed Jul 18 15:56:20 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Wed Jul 18 15:56:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0707181244p1507acbdp2680f6503e6c1283@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Michael - I agree with you, BUT first things first, so the first thing gets done before it's lost in the fog: Adobe needs to remove the Kinko's links from its software. Then, they can propose whatever they wish, and we can decide to approve it or not. Any discussion of "later stuff" is certain to obscure what's needed now. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 3:45 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Ken Chaletsky's solution is the best I've seen. It could be a win for everybody if Adobe would offer a similar plug-in to all at some *fixed* price. BUT(!) -- IF Adobe is really intent on an annuitized, transaction-based revenue stream, then we must be very wary of this approach because we'll end up paying a vig for every order we would have gotten anyway. Remember, based on what was said by Adobe at yesterday's meeting, they're looking for ways to keep people from exiting the program in order to print their jobs. The fact that Adobe wants to wrest this control from the unsuspecting -- in the guise of making things easier -- should be seen as the wild waving of a big red flag. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon On 7/18/07, Russ Peters wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I just received an e-newsletter, InRegister from American Printer magazine. > They're soliciting opinions from readers. Here's the article and the > e-mail addy to send your opinions! > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > * > > Let Kinkos do it'* > Ken Chaletzky, president of Copy General Corp. (Dulles VA), copied > AMERICAN PRINTER on his correspondence with Adobe: "I have no problem > with Kinko's having this plug-in," writes Chaletzky. "I don't even have > a problem with Adobe having created this plug-in. What I, and most of my > colleagues object to, is Adobe distributing this plug-in to every Adobe > Acrobat and Reader user. > > "If this was done truly to benefit 'customers who already are printing > and shipping through FedEx/Kinko's', [as Adobe says], then it should > have been up to Kinko's to distribute this plug-in to /their/ customers, > rather than for Adobe to distribute it to everyone else's customers. > > "Adobe's response to this fiasco is obvious. Adobe should immediately > issue yet another update that will remove this addition to the > program[s] and let FedEx/Kinko's distribute it to their clients that > want it." > > *What do you think?* > Readers: What's your take on this issue? If you want to share your > opinion with your fellow printers, please send your thoughts to > KOB@americanprinter.com. Please include > your full name and company affiliation. > > > > > Russ Peters > MOBILE PRINT, INC. > 201 W. Central Road > Mount Prospect, IL 60056 > Phone: 847-398-6155 > Fax: 847-398-0788 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From printer at ptialaska.net Wed Jul 18 16:04:18 2007 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Wed Jul 18 16:04:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <29AC6761-63B6-4D59-A817-A6D81BD5E3BF@ptialaska.net> On Jul 18, 2007, at 11:56 AM, mail@myprinter.biz wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > Michael - > I agree with you, BUT first things first, so the first thing gets done > before it's lost in the fog: Adobe needs to remove the Kinko's > links from > its software. REPLY: Maybe a class action suit on behalf of all print and copy shops who this affects. Adobes deal with the devil could definitely pose financial loss for printers and provide an unfair advantage for Kinkos (a monopoly possibly?)... Are there alternatives to acrobat??? _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From sciesemier at pagepath.com Wed Jul 18 16:07:07 2007 From: sciesemier at pagepath.com (Steve Ciesemier) Date: Wed Jul 18 16:05:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0707181244p1507acbdp2680f6503e6c1283@mail.gmail.com> References: <071820071501.28455.469E2B5C0005102100006F2722070016410902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net><124A7A25-1387-4F25-8388-1352737CC2A5@ptialaska.net><469E73B6.5090302@mobile-print.com> <98f5b19a0707181244p1507acbdp2680f6503e6c1283@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > IF Adobe is really intent on an annuitized, > transaction-based revenue stream, then we must be very wary of this > approach because we'll end up paying a vig for every order we would > have gotten anyway. This idea is not new. We were approached years ago about a scheme like this and rejected it. However, I believe this is EXACTLY what they would like. And as I recall, the Adobe JobReady system already works in a similar way. There is rather significant upfront fee and then a monthly fee. It would not surprise me if Adobe has plans to be a "phone" company and charge for every print and file transfer transaction. Kinkos could be their beta test. The fact that Kinkos paid them a chunk of money is icing on the cake. They just need to get print shops and their customers used to sending files on the Adobe network first. For the good of the customers of course. This button could be the bait in a trap. -Steve Ciesemier From lbaribeau at paragon-print.com Wed Jul 18 16:10:58 2007 From: lbaribeau at paragon-print.com (Linda Baribeau) Date: Wed Jul 18 16:09:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: he quit References: Message-ID: <003201c7c977$c2cdb1e0$042967d3@kp4> Yes, been there, done that. Only fired one person. Worked with her a whole year to see it my way. Develop systems for accuracy. In the end, I got an upset stomach, called her in, had her check ready and refund on health insurance and said I no longer needed her services. She said she new it was coming and I escorted her out. She did collect her full 36 weeks of UC but I and the rest of the staff were a lot happier. As they say, should have done it a long time ago. I think we have a soft spot and are willing to give people chances. I also think that soft spot makes us special. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Niewold" To: "printowners printowners" Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 2:19 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: he quit > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Scott, > Unfortunately Jim has had a similar situation with one of his farm > employees -- over 10 years ago BUT his employee called OHSA and it > ended up costing the farm over $20,000 and tons of headaches. Short > of the long -- anyone at all can call OHSA and file a complaint and > they don't seem to care who the person is or why they are making the > call/complaint -- they just race in and investigate. I sure hope this > doesn't happen to you because OSHA can be about as over-the-top with > their "codes" as public school districts!!!! > > Usually, when I have let an employee "go" -- after i tell them I > think it is unrealistic to expect them to stay and be productive for > 2 weeks. And, since it was my decision, I give them 2 weeks severance > pay -- time to look for another job and it also gives them time to > 'cool down' while they are still technically employed by me. I know > it would be a tough pill to swallow but it might save you from big > headaches and potentially spending more than 2 weeks pay, but maybe > you could give this guy 2 weeks. I could be looking through my rose- > colored glasses and it may not help at all. When you get done being > upset with this guy, think it through and talk with some legal > representation ASAP, try to keep pride in check and do what is best > for the business. Also.....all employees will be watching how you > handle this -- even the good ones will look at this as precedence > setting. > > Good Luck. > > robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From rstor at copycats.com Wed Jul 18 16:08:10 2007 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Wed Jul 18 16:10:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0707181244p1507acbdp2680f6503e6c1283@mail.gmail.com> References: <071820071501.28455.469E2B5C0005102100006F2722070016410902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> <124A7A25-1387-4F25-8388-1352737CC2A5@ptialaska.net> <469E73B6.5090302@mobile-print.com> <98f5b19a0707181244p1507acbdp2680f6503e6c1283@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <469E732A.7080103@copycats.com> " Remember, based on what was said by Adobe at yesterday's meeting, they're looking for ways to keep people from exiting the program in order to print their jobs. " Can you summarize what was said for those who do not have a conduit to the meet? Thanks, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Michael Vogel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Ken Chaletsky's solution is the best I've seen. It could be a win for > everybody if Adobe would offer a similar plug-in to all at some > *fixed* price. > > BUT(!) -- IF Adobe is really intent on an annuitized, > transaction-based revenue stream, then we must be very wary of this > approach because we'll end up paying a vig for every order we would > have gotten anyway. Remember, based on what was said by Adobe at > yesterday's meeting, they're looking for ways to keep people from > exiting the program in order to print their jobs. The fact that Adobe > wants to wrest this control from the unsuspecting -- in the guise of > making things easier -- should be seen as the wild waving of a big red > flag. > From tgrogan at wilmotprint.com Wed Jul 18 16:13:36 2007 From: tgrogan at wilmotprint.com (Tim Grogan) Date: Wed Jul 18 16:13:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] he quit. In-Reply-To: <4db840ae1edc5eaab6a15943e0eae74b@eos.net> References: <20070717160002.EDC8E9B0417@rb.enter.net> <322221CA-D19A-4739-B3BF-3AD2ABDC49A2@holmesprinting.com> <9F365ADB-B470-4BE8-B5A8-47FB229D992B@bfm.org> <4db840ae1edc5eaab6a15943e0eae74b@eos.net> Message-ID: <579b1e3ef5ccd57e8d2d0bac99d150cc@wilmotprint.com> Scott Last year I had a similar poison apple who just upset everyone in the plant, he was foreman. I fired him and gave no extra pay and sent him on his way. he reported to OSHA that my equipment was unsafe because the guards were all bypassed. I received a packet from OSHA that had a posting to inform all employees that we were being investigated. There was a form for me to fill out that asked about the guards and I found out that the x employee was the one who did the bypassing and I had several employees that made statements that he did it. I sent in the reply to OSHA with that information and that I had corrected the problem and never have heard a word from them since. I think this is common practice for employees that get canned. Do what you have to do to keep the poison away from your good employees. Good Luck Timothy T. Grogan President "Have I asked you to buy some printing today?" Wilmot Printing Co., Inc. 113 Buckeye Street P.O. Box 1659 Elyria, Ohio 44036 tgrogan@wilmotprint.com PH 440-323-3248 Fax 440-323-6502 > Well, I'm finally done with my troublesome employee you have all given > me reams of advice about. And yes, you were all correct, I should have > done this last year- or even sooner. > > It is debatable, I suppose, whether he quit or I fired him. I have > never had to let anyone go before (everyone else here is a gem) so > what am I in for now? After an earful about all his greivances, he > asked if he should leave now or give me 2 weeks? I said if you are > leaving, leave now. He threatened to to take me to court for 'age > discrimination'. He's gonna call OSHA, He's gonna get a lawyer, etc > etc. > > I have written down our exact conversation. He would not sign the form > (the one someone on this list sent me). He even came back in to cuss > me out a little bit more and I thought he was going to take a swing! > Dad had my back. > > Yes, everyone here is relieved. I won't let one fester like that again. > > Scott Finke > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Visit us in our new location! > > Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. > 8630 Winton Road > Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Phone: (513) 522.2679 > Fax (513) 522.2692 > Email: info@brentwood-printing.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > www.Brentwood-Printing.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Send us your file at: > http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Quick. Quality. Printing > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From kk1127 at mindspring.com Wed Jul 18 16:21:55 2007 From: kk1127 at mindspring.com (John Hughes) Date: Wed Jul 18 16:22:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: he quit References: <003201c7c977$c2cdb1e0$042967d3@kp4> Message-ID: <010901c7c979$49d09260$6601a8c0@JOHNSNOTEBOOK> My favorite was the guy I fired in a former life. He was ex Special Forces and still in the reserves. After I told him he was gone, I expected him to come across the desk with a karate chop . John Hughes Kwik Kopy Printing Marietta, GA kk1127@mindspring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Baribeau" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: he quit > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Yes, been there, done that. Only fired one person. Worked with her a > whole > year to see it my way. Develop systems for accuracy. In the end, I > got an > upset stomach, called her in, had her check ready and refund on > health > insurance and said I no longer needed her services. She said she new > it was > coming and I escorted her out. She did collect her full 36 weeks of > UC but I > and the rest of the staff were a lot happier. As they say, should > have done > it a long time ago. I think we have a soft spot and are willing to > give > people chances. > > I also think that soft spot makes us special. > > Linda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robin Niewold" > To: "printowners printowners" > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 2:19 PM > Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: he quit > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Scott, >> Unfortunately Jim has had a similar situation with one of his farm >> employees -- over 10 years ago BUT his employee called OHSA and it >> ended up costing the farm over $20,000 and tons of headaches. Short >> of the long -- anyone at all can call OHSA and file a complaint and >> they don't seem to care who the person is or why they are making >> the >> call/complaint -- they just race in and investigate. I sure hope >> this >> doesn't happen to you because OSHA can be about as over-the-top >> with >> their "codes" as public school districts!!!! >> >> Usually, when I have let an employee "go" -- after i tell them I >> think it is unrealistic to expect them to stay and be productive >> for >> 2 weeks. And, since it was my decision, I give them 2 weeks >> severance >> pay -- time to look for another job and it also gives them time to >> 'cool down' while they are still technically employed by me. I know >> it would be a tough pill to swallow but it might save you from big >> headaches and potentially spending more than 2 weeks pay, but maybe >> you could give this guy 2 weeks. I could be looking through my >> rose- >> colored glasses and it may not help at all. When you get done being >> upset with this guy, think it through and talk with some legal >> representation ASAP, try to keep pride in check and do what is best >> for the business. Also.....all employees will be watching how you >> handle this -- even the good ones will look at this as precedence >> setting. >> >> Good Luck. >> >> robin >> >> Robin Niewold >> Pro-Type Printing >> 130 N. Market Street >> Paxton, IL 60957 >> 217.379.4715 >> robin@protypeonline.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From bob at rjmprinting.com Wed Jul 18 16:20:02 2007 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Wed Jul 18 16:28:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] he quit. In-Reply-To: <579b1e3ef5ccd57e8d2d0bac99d150cc@wilmotprint.com> Message-ID: There are safety consultants who will come in a review your equipment and facility and tell you what needs to be adjusted to meet OSHA requirements. A little extra money upfront but it may save you thousands of dollars in the long run. Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tim Grogan Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 3:14 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] he quit. ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Scott Last year I had a similar poison apple who just upset everyone in the plant, he was foreman. I fired him and gave no extra pay and sent him on his way. he reported to OSHA that my equipment was unsafe because the guards were all bypassed. I received a packet from OSHA that had a posting to inform all employees that we were being investigated. There was a form for me to fill out that asked about the guards and I found out that the x employee was the one who did the bypassing and I had several employees that made statements that he did it. I sent in the reply to OSHA with that information and that I had corrected the problem and never have heard a word from them since. I think this is common practice for employees that get canned. Do what you have to do to keep the poison away from your good employees. Good Luck Timothy T. Grogan President "Have I asked you to buy some printing today?" Wilmot Printing Co., Inc. 113 Buckeye Street P.O. Box 1659 Elyria, Ohio 44036 tgrogan@wilmotprint.com PH 440-323-3248 Fax 440-323-6502 > Well, I'm finally done with my troublesome employee you have all given > me reams of advice about. And yes, you were all correct, I should have > done this last year- or even sooner. > > It is debatable, I suppose, whether he quit or I fired him. I have > never had to let anyone go before (everyone else here is a gem) so > what am I in for now? After an earful about all his greivances, he > asked if he should leave now or give me 2 weeks? I said if you are > leaving, leave now. He threatened to to take me to court for 'age > discrimination'. He's gonna call OSHA, He's gonna get a lawyer, etc > etc. > > I have written down our exact conversation. He would not sign the form > (the one someone on this list sent me). He even came back in to cuss > me out a little bit more and I thought he was going to take a swing! > Dad had my back. > > Yes, everyone here is relieved. I won't let one fester like that again. > > Scott Finke > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Visit us in our new location! > > Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. > 8630 Winton Road > Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Phone: (513) 522.2679 > Fax (513) 522.2692 > Email: info@brentwood-printing.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > www.Brentwood-Printing.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Send us your file at: > http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Quick. Quality. Printing > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Jul 18 16:31:42 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Jul 18 16:32:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's In-Reply-To: References: <98f5b19a0707181244p1507acbdp2680f6503e6c1283@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707181331ob899f13hb49bf75c929f147a@mail.gmail.com> On 7/18/07, mail@myprinter.biz wrote: > > I agree with you, BUT first things first, so the first thing gets done > before it's lost in the fog: Adobe needs to remove the Kinko's links from > its software.. > > Any discussion of "later stuff" is certain to obscure what's needed now. I'm not sure I agree, Dan. The meeting yesterday sent a signal that the Kinko's link is the tip of the iceberg of their thinking on this, and that knowledge is, I think, germane to the conversation. It seems very unlikely, based on the apparent arrogance of Chizen's opening remark ("we have 'no interest' in removing the Kinko's link") that they have any intentions of opting out of the contract. If that's the case, the "industry" needs to decide on a viable course of effective action. That action may well entail looking at compromises that Adobe may be more willing to accept. Chalesky's proposal seemed like the best of these to date. We need to be careful about proposing alternative solutions that may bite us in the behind even worse than the affront we're trying to eliminate. I agree that we must keep the pressure on to eliminate the link. But I also recognize that an arrogant company may well ignore that pressure and decide to ride out the height of the reaction. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Michael Vogel > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 3:45 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Ken Chaletsky's solution is the best I've seen. It could be a win for > everybody if Adobe would offer a similar plug-in to all at some > *fixed* price. > > BUT(!) -- IF Adobe is really intent on an annuitized, > transaction-based revenue stream, then we must be very wary of this > approach because we'll end up paying a vig for every order we would > have gotten anyway. Remember, based on what was said by Adobe at > yesterday's meeting, they're looking for ways to keep people from > exiting the program in order to print their jobs. The fact that Adobe > wants to wrest this control from the unsuspecting -- in the guise of > making things easier -- should be seen as the wild waving of a big red > flag. > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~ Lord Bacon > > > > > On 7/18/07, Russ Peters wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > I just received an e-newsletter, InRegister from American Printer > magazine. > > They're soliciting opinions from readers. Here's the article and the > > e-mail addy to send your opinions! > > > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > * > > > > Let Kinkos do it'* > > Ken Chaletzky, president of Copy General Corp. (Dulles VA), copied > > AMERICAN PRINTER on his correspondence with Adobe: "I have no problem > > with Kinko's having this plug-in," writes Chaletzky. "I don't even have > > a problem with Adobe having created this plug-in. What I, and most of my > > colleagues object to, is Adobe distributing this plug-in to every Adobe > > Acrobat and Reader user. > > > > "If this was done truly to benefit 'customers who already are printing > > and shipping through FedEx/Kinko's', [as Adobe says], then it should > > have been up to Kinko's to distribute this plug-in to /their/ customers, > > rather than for Adobe to distribute it to everyone else's customers. > > > > "Adobe's response to this fiasco is obvious. Adobe should immediately > > issue yet another update that will remove this addition to the > > program[s] and let FedEx/Kinko's distribute it to their clients that > > want it." > > > > *What do you think?* > > Readers: What's your take on this issue? If you want to share your > > opinion with your fellow printers, please send your thoughts to > > KOB@americanprinter.com. Please include > > your full name and company affiliation. > > > > > > > > > > Russ Peters > > MOBILE PRINT, INC. > > 201 W. Central Road > > Mount Prospect, IL 60056 > > Phone: 847-398-6155 > > Fax: 847-398-0788 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Jul 18 16:34:46 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Jul 18 16:34:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's In-Reply-To: <469E732A.7080103@copycats.com> References: <071820071501.28455.469E2B5C0005102100006F2722070016410902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> <124A7A25-1387-4F25-8388-1352737CC2A5@ptialaska.net> <469E73B6.5090302@mobile-print.com> <98f5b19a0707181244p1507acbdp2680f6503e6c1283@mail.gmail.com> <469E732A.7080103@copycats.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707181334y16b4e410q529e7b2cccb32f6e@mail.gmail.com> On 7/18/07, Robert Stor wrote: > > Can you summarize what was said for those who do not have a conduit to > the meet? It's all in my post yesterday on both PO and PONG: The Results of The Adobe Conference -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From cpurvine1 at cox.net Wed Jul 18 16:41:23 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Wed Jul 18 16:41:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0707181334y16b4e410q529e7b2cccb32f6e@mail.gmail.com> References: <071820071501.28455.469E2B5C0005102100006F2722070016410902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net><124A7A25-1387-4F25-8388-1352737CC2A5@ptialaska.net><469E73B6.5090302@mobile-print.com><98f5b19a0707181244p1507acbdp2680f6503e6c1283@mail.gmail.com><469E732A.7080103@copycats.com> <98f5b19a0707181334y16b4e410q529e7b2cccb32f6e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002501c7c97c$02df8840$0300a8c0@corapurvine> I just called Office Depot and Office Max here in town and they are going to get with their upper management and see what they can do also. It will hurt them as well as us Maybe someone needs to call Staples We don't have one here in town. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 3:35 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On 7/18/07, Robert Stor wrote: > > Can you summarize what was said for those who do not have a conduit to > the meet? It's all in my post yesterday on both PO and PONG: The Results of The Adobe Conference -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2405 (20070718) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From ewingandsons at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 18 16:47:59 2007 From: ewingandsons at sbcglobal.net (Dennis W. Ewing Sr) Date: Wed Jul 18 16:47:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] he quit. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <469E7C7F.1070009@sbcglobal.net> May years ago I was working at a small daily in the panhandle of Texas. The Publisher fired this prima-donna reporter. She called OSHA with this story of trip hazards and dangerous equipment. The moron they sent out had obviously never seen a printing press in his life, much less a web. Spent the day poking around and getting in the way. Just when we though he was going to leave us alone the air compressor kicked on. Wrote us up for it not having a guard over the belts. We cut out hands to shreds putting the damn things on. Of course if he had ever seen a press he might have written us up for 6 units with no guards over the rollers. (1967 Goss Suburban, Never had guards but they could have been retrofitted). I have no idea what the fine was or even if there was one. I did learn that ex-employees can be a real pain in the rear even after they are gone. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@sbcglobal.net ewingandsons@sbcglobal.net > Scott > Last year I had a similar poison apple who just upset everyone in the > plant, he was foreman. I fired him and gave no extra pay and sent him > on his way. he reported to OSHA that my equipment was unsafe because > the guards were all bypassed. I received a packet from OSHA that had a > posting to inform all employees that we were being investigated. There > was a form for me to fill out that asked about the guards and I found > out that the x employee was the one who did the bypassing and I had > several employees that made statements that he did it. I sent in the > reply to OSHA with that information and that I had corrected the > problem and never have heard a word from them since. I think this is > common practice for employees that get canned. Do what you have to do > to keep the poison away from your good employees. > Good Luck > Timothy T. Grogan > > From dominick at fmtc.com Wed Jul 18 17:23:47 2007 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Wed Jul 18 17:24:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's In-Reply-To: <002501c7c97c$02df8840$0300a8c0@corapurvine> References: <071820071501.28455.469E2B5C0005102100006F2722070016410902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net><124A7A25-1387-4F25-8388-1352737CC2A5@ptialaska.net><469E73B6.5090302@mobile-print.com><98f5b19a0707181244p1507acbdp2680f6503e6c1283@mail.gmail.com><469E732A.7080103@copycats.com> <98f5b19a0707181334y16b4e410q529e7b2cccb32f6e@mail.gmail.com> <002501c7c97c$02df8840$0300a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <469E84E3.4020501@fmtc.com> I have talked with an independent owner of a Pack and Ship. The UPS stores (of which he is a member) and many of the independents are joining together, and will be sending a message to Adobe within a couple weeks. This is getting interesting and big - fast. Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! Cora Purvine wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I just called Office Depot and Office Max here in town and they are going to > get with their upper management and see what they can do also. It will hurt > them as well as us Maybe someone needs to call Staples We don't have > one here in town. > > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Jul 18 17:31:00 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Jul 18 17:31:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's In-Reply-To: <469E84E3.4020501@fmtc.com> References: <071820071501.28455.469E2B5C0005102100006F2722070016410902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> <124A7A25-1387-4F25-8388-1352737CC2A5@ptialaska.net> <469E73B6.5090302@mobile-print.com> <98f5b19a0707181244p1507acbdp2680f6503e6c1283@mail.gmail.com> <469E732A.7080103@copycats.com> <98f5b19a0707181334y16b4e410q529e7b2cccb32f6e@mail.gmail.com> <002501c7c97c$02df8840$0300a8c0@corapurvine> <469E84E3.4020501@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707181431p4f968632y112fddfeb02ac570@mail.gmail.com> On 7/18/07, Dominick's Printing wrote: > > will be sending a message to Adobe within a couple > weeks. > > This is getting interesting and big - fast. In two weeks??!! Fast??? Adobe's "decision" (at least their first one) will have been handed down by then. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From mail at myprinter.biz Wed Jul 18 17:41:29 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Wed Jul 18 17:41:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0707181331ob899f13hb49bf75c929f147a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Michael - If I were Bruce and wanted to delay and obfiscate, I'd be delighted if the complainers redirected their ire by proposing and talking about "solutions" that have nothing to do with solving the problem, because that would allow me to do nothing about it, while they wasted their time talking about and proposing things that I could cavalierly reject at whatever future date suited me. To reiterate, the problem is that the software that Adobe's disseminating to all of our customers and prospects contains links to Kinko's and shoves the Kinko's name in their faces. Even assuming that you're correct that we might not get what we want as soon as we want it, we won't get it AT ALL if we stop demanding it and show an early willingness to look "at compromises that Adobe may be more willing to accept." While I'll gladly consider any "solutions" Adobe might propose, it needs to start with the concept that the "compromise" they need to be willing to accept is the same one we'd expect to have to accept if we'd done something comparable to all but one of our customers: Rectify their error immediately or not expect to get any more of our money. We must make it clear to Adobe that they don't have us by the throat and can't dictate terms to us - that they are a vendor, and that we have current alternatives that, without redress, we are ready and willing to use and will support other alternatives that are in development. Had we not done the above in the last few weeks, there would have been no meeting, no admission of error on Bruce's part, and no verbal commitment that the Kinko's contract wouldn't be renewed...and if we don't keep doing those things, I'm thinking that we're likely to end up with less than we might otherwise, or nothing at all. ...but what do I know, anyway? Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 4:32 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On 7/18/07, mail@myprinter.biz wrote: > > I agree with you, BUT first things first, so the first thing gets done > before it's lost in the fog: Adobe needs to remove the Kinko's links from > its software.. > > Any discussion of "later stuff" is certain to obscure what's needed now. I'm not sure I agree, Dan. The meeting yesterday sent a signal that the Kinko's link is the tip of the iceberg of their thinking on this, and that knowledge is, I think, germane to the conversation. It seems very unlikely, based on the apparent arrogance of Chizen's opening remark ("we have 'no interest' in removing the Kinko's link") that they have any intentions of opting out of the contract. If that's the case, the "industry" needs to decide on a viable course of effective action. That action may well entail looking at compromises that Adobe may be more willing to accept. Chalesky's proposal seemed like the best of these to date. We need to be careful about proposing alternative solutions that may bite us in the behind even worse than the affront we're trying to eliminate. I agree that we must keep the pressure on to eliminate the link. But I also recognize that an arrogant company may well ignore that pressure and decide to ride out the height of the reaction. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Michael Vogel > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 3:45 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Ken Chaletsky's solution is the best I've seen. It could be a win for > everybody if Adobe would offer a similar plug-in to all at some > *fixed* price. > > BUT(!) -- IF Adobe is really intent on an annuitized, > transaction-based revenue stream, then we must be very wary of this > approach because we'll end up paying a vig for every order we would > have gotten anyway. Remember, based on what was said by Adobe at > yesterday's meeting, they're looking for ways to keep people from > exiting the program in order to print their jobs. The fact that Adobe > wants to wrest this control from the unsuspecting -- in the guise of > making things easier -- should be seen as the wild waving of a big red > flag. > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~ Lord Bacon > > > > > On 7/18/07, Russ Peters wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > I just received an e-newsletter, InRegister from American Printer > magazine. > > They're soliciting opinions from readers. Here's the article and the > > e-mail addy to send your opinions! > > > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > * > > > > Let Kinkos do it'* > > Ken Chaletzky, president of Copy General Corp. (Dulles VA), copied > > AMERICAN PRINTER on his correspondence with Adobe: "I have no problem > > with Kinko's having this plug-in," writes Chaletzky. "I don't even have > > a problem with Adobe having created this plug-in. What I, and most of my > > colleagues object to, is Adobe distributing this plug-in to every Adobe > > Acrobat and Reader user. > > > > "If this was done truly to benefit 'customers who already are printing > > and shipping through FedEx/Kinko's', [as Adobe says], then it should > > have been up to Kinko's to distribute this plug-in to /their/ customers, > > rather than for Adobe to distribute it to everyone else's customers. > > > > "Adobe's response to this fiasco is obvious. Adobe should immediately > > issue yet another update that will remove this addition to the > > program[s] and let FedEx/Kinko's distribute it to their clients that > > want it." > > > > *What do you think?* > > Readers: What's your take on this issue? If you want to share your > > opinion with your fellow printers, please send your thoughts to > > KOB@americanprinter.com. Please include > > your full name and company affiliation. > > > > > > > > > > Russ Peters > > MOBILE PRINT, INC. > > 201 W. Central Road > > Mount Prospect, IL 60056 > > Phone: 847-398-6155 > > Fax: 847-398-0788 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ron at printingconcepts.com Wed Jul 18 17:51:19 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Wed Jul 18 17:46:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] he quit. In-Reply-To: <469E7C7F.1070009@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: This does bring up an important point: "Selling the firing". Policeman are taught to "Sell the traffic ticket" even though they have complete power over the person being ticketed. When we fire someone or even have them leave we try to get them to understand and agree with our point of view. You don't feel like they are worth any energy or respect after their stunts but it is better they go away not so angry. A disgruntled ex-employee can cause a lot of financial damage just by calling EEOC or OSHA. It really is better to pay them a little severance they don't deserve than to have them causing trouble and expense. I hate it, but it is good business. We call them in and use heavy doses of psychology, like "What options have you left open to us in this situation?" etc. Recently had a sales rep quit who was marginal at best. She claims she should get paid on all outstanding jobs she booked before she left, without any deductions for her salary during that time. Entirely unreasonable, but I will pay her a little so she isn't ticked off. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Dennis W. Ewing Sr Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 4:48 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] he quit. ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** M > Scott > Last year I had a similar poison apple who just upset everyone in the > plant, he was foreman. I fired him and gave no extra pay and sent him > on his way. he reported to OSHA that my equipment was unsafe because > the guards were all bypassed. I received a packet from OSHA that had a > posting to inform all employees that we were being investigated. There > was a form for me to fill out that asked about the guards and I found > out that the x employee was the one who did the bypassing and I had > several employees that made statements that he did it. I sent in the > reply to OSHA with that information and that I had corrected the > problem and never have heard a word from them since. I think this is > common practice for employees that get canned. Do what you have to do > to keep the poison away from your good employees. > Good Luck > Timothy T. Grogan > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Jul 18 17:51:03 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Jul 18 17:51:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's In-Reply-To: References: <98f5b19a0707181331ob899f13hb49bf75c929f147a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707181451w3ea29128gdb69d9ffee4481ba@mail.gmail.com> On 7/18/07, mail@myprinter.biz wrote: > > ...and if we don't keep doing > those things, I'm thinking that we're likely to end up with less than we > might otherwise, or nothing at all. I'm not suggesting for an instant, Dan, that we give up the fight and seek compromise, just that we need to be aware of the big picture and not propose alternatives, as has been done, without the full consideration of larger motives. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Michael Vogel > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 4:32 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On 7/18/07, mail@myprinter.biz wrote: > > > > I agree with you, BUT first things first, so the first thing gets done > > before it's lost in the fog: Adobe needs to remove the Kinko's links from > > its software.. > > > > Any discussion of "later stuff" is certain to obscure what's needed now. > > > I'm not sure I agree, Dan. The meeting yesterday sent a signal that > the Kinko's link is the tip of the iceberg of their thinking on this, > and that knowledge is, I think, germane to the conversation. > > It seems very unlikely, based on the apparent arrogance of Chizen's > opening remark ("we have 'no interest' in removing the Kinko's link") > that they have any intentions of opting out of the contract. If that's > the case, the "industry" needs to decide on a viable course of > effective action. That action may well entail looking at compromises > that Adobe may be more willing to accept. Chalesky's proposal seemed > like the best of these to date. > > We need to be careful about proposing alternative solutions that may > bite us in the behind even worse than the affront we're trying to > eliminate. > > I agree that we must keep the pressure on to eliminate the link. But I > also recognize that an arrogant company may well ignore that pressure > and decide to ride out the height of the reaction. > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~ Lord Bacon > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Michael Vogel > > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 3:45 PM > > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's > > > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Ken Chaletsky's solution is the best I've seen. It could be a win for > > everybody if Adobe would offer a similar plug-in to all at some > > *fixed* price. > > > > BUT(!) -- IF Adobe is really intent on an annuitized, > > transaction-based revenue stream, then we must be very wary of this > > approach because we'll end up paying a vig for every order we would > > have gotten anyway. Remember, based on what was said by Adobe at > > yesterday's meeting, they're looking for ways to keep people from > > exiting the program in order to print their jobs. The fact that Adobe > > wants to wrest this control from the unsuspecting -- in the guise of > > making things easier -- should be seen as the wild waving of a big red > > flag. > > > > -- > > Michael Vogel > > Sir Speedy Printing > > 9 Research Drive > > Milford, CT 06460 > > tel 203-877-1231 > > fax 203-878-2679 > > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > > www.eSirSpeedy.com > > > > ==================================== > > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > > ~ Lord Bacon > > > > > > > > > > On 7/18/07, Russ Peters wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > > I just received an e-newsletter, InRegister from American Printer > > magazine. > > > They're soliciting opinions from readers. Here's the article and the > > > e-mail addy to send your opinions! > > > > > > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > * > > > > > > Let Kinkos do it'* > > > Ken Chaletzky, president of Copy General Corp. (Dulles VA), copied > > > AMERICAN PRINTER on his correspondence with Adobe: "I have no problem > > > with Kinko's having this plug-in," writes Chaletzky. "I don't even have > > > a problem with Adobe having created this plug-in. What I, and most of my > > > colleagues object to, is Adobe distributing this plug-in to every Adobe > > > Acrobat and Reader user. > > > > > > "If this was done truly to benefit 'customers who already are printing > > > and shipping through FedEx/Kinko's', [as Adobe says], then it should > > > have been up to Kinko's to distribute this plug-in to /their/ customers, > > > rather than for Adobe to distribute it to everyone else's customers. > > > > > > "Adobe's response to this fiasco is obvious. Adobe should immediately > > > issue yet another update that will remove this addition to the > > > program[s] and let FedEx/Kinko's distribute it to their clients that > > > want it." > > > > > > *What do you think?* > > > Readers: What's your take on this issue? If you want to share your > > > opinion with your fellow printers, please send your thoughts to > > > KOB@americanprinter.com. Please include > > > your full name and company affiliation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Russ Peters > > > MOBILE PRINT, INC. > > > 201 W. Central Road > > > Mount Prospect, IL 60056 > > > Phone: 847-398-6155 > > > Fax: 847-398-0788 > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From k_graham at hotmail.com Wed Jul 18 18:00:15 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Wed Jul 18 18:00:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Business Card Templates References: <000001c7c971$a6ca4630$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: > > We're looking for the function that allows us to fill in one business card > variable data in a template (or one of several templates) that will then > populate a sheet of 12 up business cards. I would really expect one of > our > programs to do this or an add-on to achieve this. I would appreciate any > clues. > Corel Draw Use Help - look up Corel Merge, a feature of the program. Or alternatively make a business card 2x3.5 size page, create 12 like pages and place name, address differences on each page and then File, Print, (print all pages- must be selected) Print Preview, then select Imposition tool 2nd down on left side. You can now use one of the pre-set templates in the top left from the preset dropdown "as in Document" or you can set quantity across and down and insert spacing between as necessary using the tool menu at the top. Then use the + and save for future pre-set. The imposition tool allows changing page numbers, or making 2 or more the same page number, and the arrow key of each page is the print direction which may be clicked and flipped. as needed. If you don't have Corel Draw - it is available as a free full function Download trial at www.corel.com . One really needs to buy a training DVD to get good use out of it however http://www.unleash.com/ Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 Dawson Creek BC Canada V1G 2G5 250-782-7108 From jgross at techiowa.com Wed Jul 18 18:07:58 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Wed Jul 18 18:08:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] he quit. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000701c7c988$19e48390$1e00000a@tech.local> I release an ornery tech guy this morning. When he left my office he closed the door quite loudly. Blew two weeks severance pay, but I didn't tell him that. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 4:51 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] he quit. ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** This does bring up an important point: "Selling the firing". Policeman are taught to "Sell the traffic ticket" even though they have complete power over the person being ticketed. When we fire someone or even have them leave we try to get them to understand and agree with our point of view. You don't feel like they are worth any energy or respect after their stunts but it is better they go away not so angry. A disgruntled ex-employee can cause a lot of financial damage just by calling EEOC or OSHA. It really is better to pay them a little severance they don't deserve than to have them causing trouble and expense. I hate it, but it is good business. We call them in and use heavy doses of psychology, like "What options have you left open to us in this situation?" etc. Recently had a sales rep quit who was marginal at best. She claims she should get paid on all outstanding jobs she booked before she left, without any deductions for her salary during that time. Entirely unreasonable, but I will pay her a little so she isn't ticked off. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Dennis W. Ewing Sr Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 4:48 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] he quit. ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** M > Scott > Last year I had a similar poison apple who just upset everyone in the > plant, he was foreman. I fired him and gave no extra pay and sent him > on his way. he reported to OSHA that my equipment was unsafe because > the guards were all bypassed. I received a packet from OSHA that had a > posting to inform all employees that we were being investigated. There > was a form for me to fill out that asked about the guards and I found > out that the x employee was the one who did the bypassing and I had > several employees that made statements that he did it. I sent in the > reply to OSHA with that information and that I had corrected the > problem and never have heard a word from them since. I think this is > common practice for employees that get canned. Do what you have to do > to keep the poison away from your good employees. > Good Luck > Timothy T. Grogan > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From k_graham at hotmail.com Wed Jul 18 18:15:57 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Wed Jul 18 18:16:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's post on Google-Finance References: <071820071501.28455.469E2B5C0005102100006F2722070016410902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net><124A7A25-1387-4F25-8388-1352737CC2A5@ptialaska.net><469E73B6.5090302@mobile-print.com><98f5b19a0707181244p1507acbdp2680f6503e6c1283@mail.gmail.com><469E732A.7080103@copycats.com><98f5b19a0707181334y16b4e410q529e7b2cccb32f6e@mail.gmail.com><002501c7c97c$02df8840$0300a8c0@corapurvine><469E84E3.4020501@fmtc.com> <98f5b19a0707181431p4f968632y112fddfeb02ac570@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Well here is a post on Google Finance regards Kinko's as I mentioned, it took a few hours to show up but its there now. http://finance.google.com/group/google.finance.4112/topics Specifically http://finance.google.com/group/google.finance.4112/browse_thread/thread/2916c55a2143800b/24a1abca13ba08dc#24a1abca13ba08dc Now if anyone has other links to blogs or if John Henry has a column out to link to I would be interested to see what transpires. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 Dawson Creek BC Canada V1G 2G5 From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Jul 18 18:41:22 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Jul 18 18:41:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's post on Google-Finance In-Reply-To: References: <071820071501.28455.469E2B5C0005102100006F2722070016410902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> <124A7A25-1387-4F25-8388-1352737CC2A5@ptialaska.net> <469E73B6.5090302@mobile-print.com> <98f5b19a0707181244p1507acbdp2680f6503e6c1283@mail.gmail.com> <469E732A.7080103@copycats.com> <98f5b19a0707181334y16b4e410q529e7b2cccb32f6e@mail.gmail.com> <002501c7c97c$02df8840$0300a8c0@corapurvine> <469E84E3.4020501@fmtc.com> <98f5b19a0707181431p4f968632y112fddfeb02ac570@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707181541j10bae760s4b9e4e16cc356292@mail.gmail.com> On 7/18/07, k_graham@hotmail.com wrote: > > Well here is a post on Google Finance regards Kinko's as I mentioned, it > took a few hours to show up but its there now. > > http://finance.google.com/group/google.finance.4112/topics But only 8 days ago, this: http://tinyurl.com/3xn3ef -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From jedwards at printzilla.net Wed Jul 18 19:14:02 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Wed Jul 18 19:17:13 2007 Subject: {Spam?} Re: [PrintOwners] he quit. In-Reply-To: <5EE45D7A-565B-4222-9314-3EE4AD683093@bfm.org> References: <20070717160002.EDC8E9B0417@rb.enter.net> <322221CA-D19A-4739-B3BF-3AD2ABDC49A2@holmesprinting.com> <9F365ADB-B470-4BE8-B5A8-47FB229D992B@bfm.org> <4db840ae1edc5eaab6a15943e0eae74b@eos.net> <5EE45D7A-565B-4222-9314-3EE4AD683093@bfm.org> Message-ID: On Jul 18, 2007, at 11:10 AM, Greg Weinfurter wrote: > Their reasoning? "Though the actions of the employee were not in > the best interest of the company, and were indeed wrong, since the > employer let it go on way too long, the employee considered this as > acceptable behavior". Two years ago when my vehicle registration came in the mail I lost it (if I ever got it). I drove my truck a whole year with expired tags waiting for renewal to come up again. Would the above line of reasoning have worked for me if I had gotten stopped, ticketed and then decided to fight it in court? Tell the judge that after driving the truck unlicensed for a year without getting stopped I considered it "acceptable behavior" and now they owe me! It's a joke! But you have to play the game. Good employees are kind of rare. It's always a matter of working with what you have at the time and making the best of it, for often way too long. When the time comes, it's best to pick one single reason, even if it is quite minor, one that's well outlined in your signed employee manual, for the dismissal and stick with it. You'll lose for sure if you list all 10,000 reasons. They can't handle that. Then don't hesitate to appeal the decision if you think it's not right. Your former employee will if you win. Keep in mind that the people at the unemployment office are employees too, government employees. It goes one step higher when you appeal. Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas From bill at werkheiser.com Wed Jul 18 19:34:22 2007 From: bill at werkheiser.com (Bill Werkheiser) Date: Wed Jul 18 19:34:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] pressure seal checks/forms In-Reply-To: <008a01c7c95d$2a759940$05000100@TravisComp> References: <002601c7c8b3$7cd259d0$76770d70$@com><00de01c7c8c1$85ad29f0$0300a8c0@corapurvine> <89215F11-09CA-4F83-B60C-F8D4DAA900B3@legendsofdodgecity.com> <008a01c7c95d$2a759940$05000100@TravisComp> Message-ID: <469EA37E.6050603@werkheiser.com> Uh Travis, your buddy right down the road does these. We have a pressure seal machine in Savannah where we do the OCR processing. Just got through doing 90,000 property tax assessments for Chatham County. -- Bill Werkheiser SE PrinTech, Inc. Coastal Mailing Services, Inc. http://WeLoveToPrint.com 315 E Banks Street - P O Box 27 Glennville, GA 30427 (912) 654-3610 voice (912) 654-3611 fax tstrickland@studiodesignsprinting.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Does anyone currently supply any of your customers with pressure seal checks or forms? Our local city water dept. has asked us to quote on a handful of new forms they are using. First batch came from the software/equipment installers, but now they want to try and keep local. This is the first time I've seen the pressure seal forms like this and I need to find a trade source. > > Thanks, > Travis > > Studio Designs Printing > Milledgeville, GA 31061 > 478-452-7721 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2405 (20070718) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > From bill at werkheiser.com Wed Jul 18 19:47:53 2007 From: bill at werkheiser.com (Bill Werkheiser) Date: Wed Jul 18 19:48:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 9110 and Variable Data In-Reply-To: <042701c7c967$c12a0740$1cfea8c0@Steveh> References: <042701c7c967$c12a0740$1cfea8c0@Steveh> Message-ID: <469EA6A9.3050802@werkheiser.com> Steve, we had this issue with a 9110 and it was solved but only after a higher level tech was able to get into the software and change settings. As has been mentioned, make sure it is the machine and not the file. We sent the file to a 105 and 8500 as well and only had the problem with the 9110. We were also using VD software while processing the file. If you are not, this could be the problem. -- Bill Werkheiser SE PrinTech, Inc. Coastal Mailing Services, Inc. http://WeLoveToPrint.com 315 E Banks Street - P O Box 27 Glennville, GA 30427 (912) 654-3610 voice (912) 654-3611 fax Steve Hitner wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have a Heidleberg 9110. When we send over a mail merge, the processing seams to take forever. Has anyone solved this problem? > > Thanks in advance for your advice. > > Best Regards, > > Steve Hitner > METROWEST Printing > Marlborough, Ma > 508-481-6699 > steveh@metrowestprinting.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2405 (20070718) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > From copycraftx57 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 18 20:20:38 2007 From: copycraftx57 at yahoo.com (bill settell) Date: Wed Jul 18 20:21:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Guy with some questions & comments Message-ID: <370506.55760.qm@web45306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Greetings: I joined the list a year ago and found it fascinating - so many like experiences and thoughts. Anyway, I spent so much time reading the posts that I wasn't getting much work completed and my wife started feeling neglected. Anyway, I'm back. As a means of introduction, which I think I read was appropriate, here's the deal. Our business is in Norfolk, Nebraska and I have been in this business since about 1974. We have a staff of 8 FTE's and are located in a building that we own with approximately 4800 sq ft. All in all, I believe that we most likely have typical sales and equipment. Ok - got that out of the way. Comments: I'm not totally up to speed, but I've been reading a number of the posts regarding FedEx/Kinko's & Adobe. Just some food for thought regarding what I consider the insanity of some of the publicly traded companies that are our competitors. In 2006 dollars FedEx paid $ 2.4 billion for Kinko's 1,200 stores or $ 2 million a store. Kinko's gross revenue was $ 2 billion. In addition, at least based upon the stores that I am familiar with a good many of the Kinko's locations are in leased property - thus they didn't buy much real estate and still paid $ 2 million per store. If anyone's interested, I'd be happy to sell my shop for "Gross Sales" and I'll throw in equipment with no leases and most likely some real estate to go along with it. Anyway, I'm not sure where I'm going here other than to point out that there is some huge money floating around and FedEx is certainly influential to say the least. On the other hand, when I read posts on other locations regarding the re-branding of MailBox, etc. and their relationship with UPS, it sounds to me like the wheels are falling off. OK, enough of that. I'm about to pull the trigger on a Mitsubishi SDP-Eco1630IIIR Plate-setter. It's about $ 32,500 delivered. First and most important, can anyone share their experience/s regarding the equipment and secondly how does that price sound? I had a CP50s years ago and loved it. Also, what would we want to get for Proofing Plug-ins, if anything. We'll just be doing spot color with some occasional tight register. Can we just proof to one of our Canon Color copiers and our laser printer? Again we aren't going to be doing a bunch of color builds and stuff like that - I think most of our clients would be plenty happy in most instances seeing a laser print either in black and color and showing them the pantone swatch. I'd like a fairly good idea of how screens are going to look on the press prior to printing. Also, do we need trapping software, or can we just do that utilizing our current Adobe Suite programs? If someone could respond either on or off-line I'd sure appreciate it. Also, I couldn't figure out how to get at the "Achieves" so if this is repetitive stuff I apologize. Can anyone enlighten me on finding the achieves? Also, while I'm at it, regarding the people that were looking at reducing energy by messing with the ballasts (I think that was the idea). I bought some stock in a company several months ago (I'm down about 60%, but that's because of a lack of judgment on my part - not the product). Company is called Axis Technology. I'm not trying to pump the stock, just bought it because I know the guy who owns it in Lincoln, NE. They invented and are marketing a ballast that I believe is called a "Light Harvesting Ballast" or something like that. Anyway, the thing about it that is cool is that it has some sort of an electronic eye type of thing that adjusts the amount of energy consumed by the ballast based upon the requirement of the amount of light needed. For example in a parking garage type application typically during the days not as much light is required, thus the magic eye dictates to the ballast to turn down juice and reduces the amount of light and energy consumption. Anyway, might want to check that out. axistechnologiesinc.com. Again, II probably should have bought the ballasts instead and installed them in my shop would be $ ahead. Just another thought. My typing abilities are ok, but not great and I'm in a hurry most of the time. The last time I was on this list I had a post that I thought was sort of important - I was seeking advice. The main response that I got was from someone telling me that I didn't know how to spell Heidelberg correctly. If spell check and gramme check is required on this list then I'll probably not last very long again this time. Thanks for your help and cutting me a little slack as a new guy on the list. Bill Settell Copyraft Printing 211 Norfolk Avenue PO Box 337 Norfolk, NE 68701 402-371-4113 --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. From printer at ptialaska.net Wed Jul 18 20:58:21 2007 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Wed Jul 18 20:58:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Guy with some questions & comments In-Reply-To: <370506.55760.qm@web45306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <370506.55760.qm@web45306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0132CC79-3322-4AD4-BAB4-CC766C2D3C02@ptialaska.net> On Jul 18, 2007, at 4:20 PM, bill settell wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > OK, enough of that. I'm about to pull the trigger on a Mitsubishi > SDP-Eco1630IIIR > Plate-setter. It's about $ 32,500 delivered. First and most > important, can anyone share their experience/s regarding the > equipment and secondly how does that price sound? I had a CP50s > years ago and loved it. REPLY: Welcome to the list. We have the ECO and LOVE it. We use it with a QM-46. Use the paper plates not the polyester backed plates that QM recommends. We find the paper works better after using the other for a year and cheaper as well. The price seems fair as well. P.S. I am a good speller but still find I make many errors when emailing, so, not to worry, you are in like flint... Later, _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Jul 18 21:21:07 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Jul 18 21:21:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Guy with some questions & comment In-Reply-To: <370506.55760.qm@web45306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <370506.55760.qm@web45306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707181821n3c86d2ecm258155aa84142379@mail.gmail.com> On 7/18/07, bill settell wrote: > > Also, I couldn't figure out how to get at the "Achieves" so if this is repetitive stuff I apologize. Can anyone enlighten me on finding the achieves? The PrintOwners archives are difficult, at best, to access. We have been promised a solution for years that has not been forthcoming. It's unfortunate, because the value of the wisdom contained therein is huge. You're much better off just asking the question again than expecting to locate answers in the PO archives. I'll email you an alternative off-list. A helpful hint, though: if you've got multiple things to discuss or inquire about, separate posts with descriptive subject lines will get the highest readership and will generate the greatest response. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From bob at bergey.net Wed Jul 18 22:11:11 2007 From: bob at bergey.net (Bob Bergey) Date: Wed Jul 18 22:11:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Guy with some questions & comments In-Reply-To: <370506.55760.qm@web45306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <370506.55760.qm@web45306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 5:20 PM -0700 on 7/18/07, bill settell wrote: > Also, I couldn't figure out how to get at the "Achieves" so if this > is repetitive stuff I apologize. Can anyone enlighten me on finding > the achieves? I assume you mean the Archives. :) Very easy ... click the INFO link at the bottom of any list message (such as this one). On the resulting page, you'll see the PrintOwners Archives link in the first section. Log in using your list email and password and you're in. Bookmark it for future reference if you like. Welcome to PrintOwners. Bob -- ====================================================================== Bob Bergey -- 215-527-1048 -- Perkasie, PA Internet Services for the Printing Industry Web Hosting & E-Mail Services: BERGEY.NET ====================================================================== From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Jul 18 22:33:45 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Jul 18 22:33:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: [PONG] RE: Adobe Print Industry Advisory Forum - Update In-Reply-To: <07ca01c7c9a3$2016dd10$6401a8c0@GeorgeHome> References: <07ca01c7c9a3$2016dd10$6401a8c0@GeorgeHome> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707181933p397dbd9coaafe7078e7dfe067@mail.gmail.com> On 7/18/07, you wrote: -----Original Message----- > From: Johnny Loiacono [mailto:johnnyl@adobe.com] > Subject: Adobe Print Industry Advisory Forum - Update > > Many ideas were discussed, but the key recommendations resulting from the > forum were: > > 1. Re-evaluate the implementation of the FedEx Kinko's service in Adobe > Acrobat and Adobe Reader. Let's take that out of polite pc corporate-speak: I read the coalition's letter to Adobe, and spoke with a "forum" participant immediately after the meeting. Adobe has been asked, not to "re-evaluate" but -- in no uncertain terms -- to REMOVE the offending link, which is an affront to your 30,000+ other partners. I am also aware that, even after the barrage of protest that Adobe has been getting from the industry, Mr. Chizen had the arrogance to begin the meeting by saying that Adobe had "no interest" in disabling the Kinko's link. > 2. Explore options of making print service providers more discoverable in > Adobe's creative products. Explore all you want AFTER the offending link is removed. We're no longer your "partners" until you do that. If you want to test the waters before making another gaffe, bring your exploratory ideas back to the forum. But realize that the industry is now wary of any attempted predatory practices. > 3. Investigate the ability for printers to distribute a branded plug-in to > their customers. This sounds suspiciously like an Adobe attempt to get its hands into our pockets. We would consider predatory any attempt by Adobe to charge a transaction fee to print from within an Adobe application. Adobe and the printing industry have been mutually supportive until now. But keep your hands out of our pockets if you want our continued support. Or be aware that there is a groundswell of movement back toward Quark and toward Corel. If those companies are smart, they'll seize the fantastic opportunity you've provided them. > The Forum attendees agreed to a set of next steps that include Adobe's > review of the participant's input, and an agreement to communicate a > response to the print community by August 1. Can you say "STALL?!" Adobe's unwillingness to act appropriately to correct its admitted "mistake" reflects very badly on the company's motives, and makes us all the more leery, as do your insincere comments about valuing your history with the printing industry. You can SHOW your sincerity ONLY by removing the Kinko's link, and doing it without further weaseling. > In the meantime, print > professionals that are concerned about exposing their customers to another > print solution can disable the 'Print to Kinkos' feature. Get serious! How do you dare pretend to make amends with as condescending a suggestion as that?! "Adobe" has become an inflammatory word among printers, and all those I'm in regular contact with (1000 or so, between print forums and fellow franchisees) are hell-bent on finding workarounds to the use of Adobe products, beginning with swearing off the renewal of their ASN memberships and further Adobe upgrades. You do the math. But totally apart from the probability of significant lost revenue to Adobe, we would hope that you would simply understand why we cannot let this stand, and that you would do the right thing without further delay. "Adobe" -- a name that used to command such industry-wide respect, is now one that generates instant animosity, animous discussion, and voluminous bad press. That you could have let this happen to the name is bad enough; that you are dragging your feet and letting it continue is unfathomable. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Wed Jul 18 22:46:33 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Wed Jul 18 22:46:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Guy with some questions & comments In-Reply-To: References: <370506.55760.qm@web45306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707181946k5d0b611fo74bf2eed35dd498f@mail.gmail.com> On 7/18/07, Bob Bergey wrote: > I assume you mean the Archives. :) > > Very easy ... click the INFO link at the bottom of any list message > (such as this one). On the resulting page, you'll see the PrintOwners > Archives link in the first section. Log in using your list email and > password and you're in. Bookmark it for future reference if you like. Bob, I don't mean to be difficult, but would you please explain how one might find anything in these "archives?" How would one do a search for a subject or author or keyword? What if, like to the person to whom you were responding, one was new to the list and had no clue as to when what was discussed? Maybe I'm missing something; I hope you can fill in my blanks. Thanks. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From k_graham at hotmail.com Thu Jul 19 00:24:21 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Thu Jul 19 00:24:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe/Kinko's post on Google-Finance-Wow References: <071820071501.28455.469E2B5C0005102100006F2722070016410902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net><124A7A25-1387-4F25-8388-1352737CC2A5@ptialaska.net><469E73B6.5090302@mobile-print.com><98f5b19a0707181244p1507acbdp2680f6503e6c1283@mail.gmail.com><469E732A.7080103@copycats.com><98f5b19a0707181334y16b4e410q529e7b2cccb32f6e@mail.gmail.com><002501c7c97c$02df8840$0300a8c0@corapurvine><469E84E3.4020501@fmtc.com><98f5b19a0707181431p4f968632y112fddfeb02ac570@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Well here is a post on Google Finance regards Kinko's as I mentioned, it > took a few hours to show up but its there now. > > http://finance.google.com/group/google.finance.4112/topics > Wow - I have no idea if Google Finance discussions make a difference but if they do I would expect Adobe to drop 10.00 this week. I would feel sorry for the person that replied >Obviously because InPlant is not a reliable enough company. but FedEx/ >KinKo's is! no wonder InPlant's own news website is the only new's source >on this news. Stop Spamming! But if he takes all the very real arguments in that were posted after he will have an opportunity to evaluate Adobe's value and decide accordingly. I notice that you can value the opinion of each contributor there by the number of stars you give. If everyone viewing the articles places a value, even if not adding their opinion, I expect it would push up the Google Relevance. Thanks, I think I'd regret getting this group mad. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 Dawson Creek BC Canada V1G 2G5 From bill at werkheiser.com Thu Jul 19 01:12:10 2007 From: bill at werkheiser.com (Bill Werkheiser) Date: Thu Jul 19 01:12:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Chizen's stock options In-Reply-To: References: <071820071501.28455.469E2B5C0005102100006F2722070016410902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net><124A7A25-1387-4F25-8388-1352737CC2A5@ptialaska.net><469E73B6.5090302@mobile-print.com><98f5b19a0707181244p1507acbdp2680f6503e6c1283@mail.gmail.com><469E732A.7080103@copycats.com><98f5b19a0707181334y16b4e410q529e7b2cccb32f6e@mail.gmail.com><002501c7c97c$02df8840$0300a8c0@corapurvine><469E84E3.4020501@fmtc.com><98f5b19a0707181431p4f968632y112fddfeb02ac570@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <469EF2AA.60100@werkheiser.com> At least he knows when to buy and sell Insiders: Adobe's Chizen to exercise options By Chris O'Brien Mercury News Article Launched: 07/01/2007 01:45:11 AM PDT Looks like Adobe Systems Chief Executive Bruce Chizen won't have problems paying his bills this year. The San Jose software company recently announced that Chizen had adopted a prearranged stock trading plan June 20 to unload about 1.7 million options he's holding that are due to expire next year. Assuming Adobe's stock price stays at certain unspecified levels, he'll exercise and sell those options on a regular basis over the next 18 months. Based on the closing price of Adobe's stock Wednesday of $40.47 a share, Chizen would collect $68.8 million, minus, of course, whatever it costs him to exercise those options. For instance, on the same day he adopted the prearranged sale plan, known as a 10b5-1, he paid $8.3 million to exercise 300,000 shares at $27.83 a share. He turned around and sold 300,000 shares at $42.10 a share for a net gain of $4.28 million. That should add to a nice nest egg that already includes a $76.71 net gain on the more than 5 million shares of Adobe stock he's sold over the past decade. Incidentally, Chizen isn't the only Adobe insider who's been busy selling stock. According to Thomson Financial, insiders at Adobe have sold $42.6 million in the second quarter. That's the most in at least five years in a period that's typically a bit slower, averaging $16.1 million sales. -- Bill Werkheiser SE PrinTech, Inc. Coastal Mailing Services, Inc. http://WeLoveToPrint.com 315 E Banks Street - P O Box 27 Glennville, GA 30427 (912) 654-3610 voice (912) 654-3611 fax From k_graham at hotmail.com Thu Jul 19 01:50:46 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Thu Jul 19 01:51:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Guy "Light Harvesting Ballast" References: <370506.55760.qm@web45306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Welcome back Bill; > > I'm not trying to pump the stock, just bought it because I know the guy > who owns it in Lincoln, NE. They invented and are marketing a ballast that > I believe is called a "Light Harvesting Ballast" or something like that. > Anyway, the thing about it that is cool is that it has some sort of an > electronic eye type of thing that adjusts the amount of energy consumed by > the ballast based upon the requirement of the amount of light needed. For > example in a parking garage type application typically during the days not > as much light is required, thus the magic eye dictates to the ballast to > turn down juice and reduces the amount of light and energy consumption. > Anyway, might want to check that out. axistechnologiesinc.com. Again, II > probably should have bought the ballasts instead and installed them in my > shop would be $ ahead. > I tried looking up the ballasts http://daylightharvest.com/links.htm seems to be a link. No pricing, no store. I was curious, seemed like a good idea especially in a place of variable light, near windows. Not sure how they would mount the light adjusting cell in a retrofit. Add pricing and online store and maybe your stock will go up. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 250-782-7108 Dawson Creek BC Canada V1G 2G5 From ron at printingconcepts.com Thu Jul 19 08:54:01 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Thu Jul 19 08:49:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] he quit. In-Reply-To: <000701c7c988$19e48390$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: >I release an ornery tech guy this morning. When he left my office he closed the door quite loudly. Blew two weeks severance pay, but I didn't tell him that.< We tell them the amount of their severance will be influenced by how they behave on the way out. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of John Gross Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 6:08 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] he quit. ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I release an ornery tech guy this morning. When he left my office he closed the door quite loudly. Blew two weeks severance pay, but I didn't tell him that. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 4:51 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] he quit. ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** This does bring up an important point: "Selling the firing". Policeman are taught to "Sell the traffic ticket" even though they have complete power over the person being ticketed. When we fire someone or even have them leave we try to get them to understand and agree with our point of view. You don't feel like they are worth any energy or respect after their stunts but it is better they go away not so angry. A disgruntled ex-employee can cause a lot of financial damage just by calling EEOC or OSHA. It really is better to pay them a little severance they don't deserve than to have them causing trouble and expense. I hate it, but it is good business. We call them in and use heavy doses of psychology, like "What options have you left open to us in this situation?" etc. Recently had a sales rep quit who was marginal at best. She claims she should get paid on all outstanding jobs she booked before she left, without any deductions for her salary during that time. Entirely unreasonable, but I will pay her a little so she isn't ticked off. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Dennis W. Ewing Sr Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 4:48 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] he quit. ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** M > Scott > Last year I had a similar poison apple who just upset everyone in the > plant, he was foreman. I fired him and gave no extra pay and sent him > on his way. he reported to OSHA that my equipment was unsafe because > the guards were all bypassed. I received a packet from OSHA that had a > posting to inform all employees that we were being investigated. There > was a form for me to fill out that asked about the guards and I found > out that the x employee was the one who did the bypassing and I had > several employees that made statements that he did it. I sent in the > reply to OSHA with that information and that I had corrected the > problem and never have heard a word from them since. I think this is > common practice for employees that get canned. Do what you have to do > to keep the poison away from your good employees. > Good Luck > Timothy T. Grogan > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From John at mpcny.com Thu Jul 19 09:18:37 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Thu Jul 19 09:18:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Don't forget Yahoo finance on Adobe In-Reply-To: <20070719042458.019589BA4EF@rb.enter.net> References: <20070719042458.019589BA4EF@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <007001c7ca07$513e55d0$f3bb0170$@com> http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks_A/forumview?bn= 328 Yahoo has more users than Google on its finance pages. I used some of George's post and add my own. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.9/907 - Release Date: 7/18/2007 3:30 PM From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Thu Jul 19 09:27:27 2007 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Thu Jul 19 09:27:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Guy with some questions & comments In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0707181946k5d0b611fo74bf2eed35dd498f@mail.gmail.com> References: <370506.55760.qm@web45306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <98f5b19a0707181946k5d0b611fo74bf2eed35dd498f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <469F66BF.3070208@sugarloafprint.com> AND How up to date are they? Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 Michael Vogel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On 7/18/07, Bob Bergey wrote: >> I assume you mean the Archives. :) >> >> Very easy ... click the INFO link at the bottom of any list message >> (such as this one). On the resulting page, you'll see the PrintOwners >> Archives link in the first section. Log in using your list email and >> password and you're in. Bookmark it for future reference if you like. > > Bob, > > I don't mean to be difficult, but would you please explain how one > might find anything in these "archives?" How would one do a search for > a subject or author or keyword? What if, like to the person to whom > you were responding, one was new to the list and had no clue as to > when what was discussed? Maybe I'm missing something; I hope you can > fill in my blanks. > > Thanks. > From copycraftx57 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 19 09:27:55 2007 From: copycraftx57 at yahoo.com (bill settell) Date: Thu Jul 19 09:28:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ballasts - Sorry I misinformed you on Axis Web Site Message-ID: <59252.86529.qm@web45302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In regard to my recent post relative to Light Harvesting Ballasts, I messed up. The name of the company is Axis Technologies Inc, however, their domain is axistechnologyinc.com. My apologies for any inconvenience this may have caused. Bill Settell Copycraft Printing 211 Norfolk Avenue Norfolk, NE 68701 402-371-4113 --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Thu Jul 19 09:47:41 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Thu Jul 19 09:49:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fonts types Message-ID: What is the practical (not technical)difference between True Type, Postscript and Open Type fonts? I have to purchase a font for a customer and I didn't realize there were so many choices. The font is Rotis Semi Serif and it is being used on a Mac. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.186) Database version: 5.07560 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From kellycrom at gmail.com Thu Jul 19 10:03:14 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Thu Jul 19 10:03:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Guy with some questions & comments In-Reply-To: <370506.55760.qm@web45306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <370506.55760.qm@web45306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <012101c7ca0d$8d79e4f0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> In response to your question about proofing plug-ins: If the RIP on the machine you are looking at supports TIFF output, and your Canon supports hotfolders and direct printing of TIFF, then don't bother with a proofing plug-in. You can set your platesetter RIP to output a composite tiff(or separations) to the hotfolder on your Canon rip(again if it supports that). As for trapping, our Prepress staff has always been knowlegeable enough to correctly set trap in their applications(Quark, Adobe), so we never bothered buying any In-Rip trapping software. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com From kellycrom at gmail.com Thu Jul 19 10:04:38 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Thu Jul 19 10:05:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fonts types In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <012201c7ca0d$bf520e80$6d01a8c0@KELLY> If you're using at least a somewhat current Mac OS, then go with OpenType. It is universal for mac and pc, and we've never had a problem using it. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark Lake > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:48 AM > To: PrintOwners > Subject: [PrintOwners] Fonts types > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > What is the practical (not technical)difference between True Type, > Postscript and Open Type fonts? I have to purchase a font for > a customer and > I didn't realize there were so many choices. The font is > Rotis Semi Serif > and it is being used on a Mac. > > Mark Lake > PIP Printing > 368 Jefferson Street > Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 > 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax > www.pipsturgeonbay.com > Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com > > To send a file to us, please use the link below > http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 > > > > > > E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.186) > Database version: 5.07560 > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From jedwards at printzilla.net Thu Jul 19 10:20:51 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Thu Jul 19 10:28:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fonts types In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55C7970E-F2DF-405C-89E7-C15C62F4EC4F@printzilla.net> On Jul 19, 2007, at 8:47 AM, Mark Lake wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > What is the practical (not technical)difference between True Type, > Postscript and Open Type fonts? I have to purchase a font for a > customer and > I didn't realize there were so many choices. The font is Rotis Semi > Serif > and it is being used on a Mac. I have best luck with PS fonts. For some reason I've been having trouble with the Open Type fonts. This is a Mac quad G5 running 10.4.9 (it says). To date, OT fonts Gill Sans, Frutiger, Optima, Myriad Pro have all died and can't be used anymore. It starts out as only one version in the family (the one you need). The symptom is when you open the document containing the font it shuts down the application. So far, in OSX I haven't had any real problems with True Type, however I still don't trust them. Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas From nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com Thu Jul 19 10:37:10 2007 From: nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com (Nancy) Date: Thu Jul 19 10:38:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Price of PMS Press Wash References: <59252.86529.qm@web45302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004901c7ca12$4aa2bdf0$0600a8c0@Nancy> For those of you still running conventional small offset presses...what is your current charge for a PMS ink??? We have been at $35.00 for a number of years and have been revaluating all of pricing. Recently I had another printer quote work that I didn't think we could run here and their PMS charge was $62.00 per mix. I also still charge $20 for standard inks we always have in a can on the shelf, 185, Reflex, Process, 200, 342 and a few more.. anything else we mix. Am I too low or are they out of line??? OK.... I realize that markets are different everywhere so I will take that into consideration. TIA Nancy Nancy Middleton The Printing Place, Inc. 5878 Cook Road, Suite F Milford, OH 45150 nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax 877/248-8774 Toll Free www.theprintingplaceinc.com we now have web hosting From jeff at hprinting.biz Thu Jul 19 10:52:18 2007 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Thu Jul 19 10:52:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Price of PMS Press Wash In-Reply-To: <004901c7ca12$4aa2bdf0$0600a8c0@Nancy> References: <59252.86529.qm@web45302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <004901c7ca12$4aa2bdf0$0600a8c0@Nancy> Message-ID: <20070719145212.8137.18806@hm-pop1.solinus.com> At 10:37 AM 7/19/2007, you wrote: >For those of you still running conventional >small offset presses...what is your current charge for a PMS ink??? >We have been at $35.00 for a number of years and >have been revaluating all of pricing. Recently I >had another printer quote work that I didn't >think we could run here and their PMS charge was $62.00 per mix. > >I also still charge $20 for standard inks we >always have in a can on the shelf, 185, Reflex, >Process, 200, 342 and a few more.. anything else we mix. > >Am I too low or are they out of line??? We're $18 for press wash for standard ink and $35 for press wash and PMS ink mix. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From john at foxprinting.biz Thu Jul 19 10:46:41 2007 From: john at foxprinting.biz (john@foxprinting.biz) Date: Thu Jul 19 10:54:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Price of PMS Press Wash In-Reply-To: <004901c7ca12$4aa2bdf0$0600a8c0@Nancy> References: <59252.86529.qm@web45302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <004901c7ca12$4aa2bdf0$0600a8c0@Nancy> Message-ID: <0b68f0b622fb3c53a36c33d7fe0a8993@foxprinting.biz> We have been at $45.00 per ink wash (anything other than black) for 2 years. Customer rarely mention it. John John Schroeder Fox Printing 802-658-9196 john@foxprinting.biz On Jul 19, 2007, at 10:37 AM, Nancy wrote: ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** For those of you still running conventional small offset presses...what is your current charge for a PMS ink??? We have been at $35.00 for a number of years and have been revaluating all of pricing. Recently I had another printer quote work that I didn't think we could run here and their PMS charge was $62.00 per mix. I also still charge $20 for standard inks we always have in a can on the shelf, 185, Reflex, Process, 200, 342 and a few more.. anything else we mix. Am I too low or are they out of line??? OK.... I realize that markets are different everywhere so I will take that into consideration. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dominick at fmtc.com Thu Jul 19 11:04:32 2007 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Thu Jul 19 11:05:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Price of PMS Press Wash In-Reply-To: <004901c7ca12$4aa2bdf0$0600a8c0@Nancy> References: <59252.86529.qm@web45302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <004901c7ca12$4aa2bdf0$0600a8c0@Nancy> Message-ID: <469F7D80.8010001@fmtc.com> Nancy, I was at $20 for a wash for years. Then last year when I was quoted $45 for a wash for an outsource job, I immediately went to $35. This year we are charging $40 for standard "house colors", meaning reflex blue, forest green, red, etc. This is what our market will bear... If the customer wants a PMS match, we charge $75 for the ink, and also $40 for the wash. This covers the cost to either in-house mix, or purchase a pound of mix. Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! Nancy wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > For those of you still running conventional small offset > presses...what is your current charge for a PMS ink??? > We have been at $35.00 for a number of years and have been revaluating > all of pricing. Recently I had another printer quote work that I > didn't think we could run here and their PMS charge was $62.00 per mix. > > I also still charge $20 for standard inks we always have in a can on > the shelf, 185, Reflex, Process, 200, 342 and a few more.. anything > else we mix. > > Am I too low or are they out of line??? > > OK.... I realize that markets are different everywhere so I will take > that into consideration. > > TIA > > Nancy > > Nancy Middleton > The Printing Place, Inc. > 5878 Cook Road, Suite F > Milford, OH 45150 > nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com > Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax > 877/248-8774 Toll Free > www.theprintingplaceinc.com > we now have web hosting > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From swiftyprinting at mac.com Thu Jul 19 11:09:42 2007 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Thu Jul 19 11:10:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fonts types In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jul 19, 2007, at 9:47 AM, Mark Lake wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > What is the practical (not technical)difference between True Type, > Postscript and Open Type fonts? I have to purchase a font for a > customer and > I didn't realize there were so many choices. The font is Rotis Semi > Serif > and it is being used on a Mac. > Think of it this way. Open is becoming the standard for Adobe. Since Adobe will be switching from postscript to its new "Print Engine" postscript is on its way out. However think of what RIPs and Fonts you use. This should make the decision for you. If all your fonts are one type, then choose that type since some RIPs do not like it when you mix types of fonts. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu Jul 19 11:17:34 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu Jul 19 11:17:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Price of PMS Press Wash In-Reply-To: <0b68f0b622fb3c53a36c33d7fe0a8993@foxprinting.biz> References: <59252.86529.qm@web45302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <004901c7ca12$4aa2bdf0$0600a8c0@Nancy> <0b68f0b622fb3c53a36c33d7fe0a8993@foxprinting.biz> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707190817i1569851er355e1d96d6c2e025@mail.gmail.com> > We have been at $45.00 per ink wash (anything other than black) for > 2 years. Customer rarely mention it. $63.75 combination charge for mix and wash-up. Customers *never* mention it because we don't itemize it or quote it that way. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From jedwards at printzilla.net Thu Jul 19 11:15:21 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Thu Jul 19 11:18:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fonts types In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jul 19, 2007, at 10:09 AM, Chuck wrote: >> > Think of it this way. Open is becoming the standard for Adobe. > Since Adobe will be switching from postscript to its new "Print > Engine" postscript is on its way out. > What is Adobe? Jack Edwards ORN, Texas From s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com Thu Jul 19 11:41:41 2007 From: s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com (Sonya Hughes) Date: Thu Jul 19 11:45:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: [PONG] RE: Adobe Print Industry Advisory Forum - Update In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0707181933p397dbd9coaafe7078e7dfe067@mail.gmail.com> References: <07ca01c7c9a3$2016dd10$6401a8c0@GeorgeHome> <98f5b19a0707181933p397dbd9coaafe7078e7dfe067@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003BB998-A847-4D85-B9C3-766E42D92025@legendsofdodgecity.com> Good work, Michael! Sonya Legends Printing Dodge City, KS On Jul 18, 2007, at 9:33 PM, Michael Vogel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > On 7/18/07, you wrote: > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Johnny Loiacono [mailto:johnnyl@adobe.com] >> Subject: Adobe Print Industry Advisory Forum - Update >> >> Many ideas were discussed, but the key recommendations resulting >> from the >> forum were: >> >> 1. Re-evaluate the implementation of the FedEx Kinko's service in >> Adobe >> Acrobat and Adobe Reader. > > Let's take that out of polite pc corporate-speak: I read the > coalition's letter to Adobe, and spoke with a "forum" participant > immediately after the meeting. Adobe has been asked, not to > "re-evaluate" but -- in no uncertain terms -- to REMOVE the offending > link, which is an affront to your 30,000+ other partners. > > I am also aware that, even after the barrage of protest that Adobe has > been getting from the industry, Mr. Chizen had the arrogance to begin > the meeting by saying that Adobe had "no interest" in disabling the > Kinko's link. > > >> 2. Explore options of making print service providers more >> discoverable in >> Adobe's creative products. > > Explore all you want AFTER the offending link is removed. We're no > longer your "partners" until you do that. > > If you want to test the waters before making another gaffe, bring your > exploratory ideas back to the forum. But realize that the industry is > now wary of any attempted predatory practices. > > >> 3. Investigate the ability for printers to distribute a branded >> plug-in to >> their customers. > > This sounds suspiciously like an Adobe attempt to get its hands into > our pockets. We would consider predatory any attempt by Adobe to > charge a transaction fee to print from within an Adobe application. > > Adobe and the printing industry have been mutually supportive until > now. But keep your hands out of our pockets if you want our continued > support. Or be aware that there is a groundswell of movement back > toward Quark and toward Corel. If those companies are smart, they'll > seize the fantastic opportunity you've provided them. > > >> The Forum attendees agreed to a set of next steps that include >> Adobe's >> review of the participant's input, and an agreement to communicate a >> response to the print community by August 1. > > Can you say "STALL?!" Adobe's unwillingness to act appropriately to > correct its admitted "mistake" reflects very badly on the company's > motives, and makes us all the more leery, as do your insincere > comments about valuing your history with the printing industry. You > can SHOW your sincerity ONLY by removing the Kinko's link, and doing > it without further weaseling. > > >> In the meantime, print >> professionals that are concerned about exposing their customers to >> another >> print solution can disable the 'Print to Kinkos' feature. > > Get serious! How do you dare pretend to make amends with as > condescending a suggestion as that?! "Adobe" has become an > inflammatory word among printers, and all those I'm in regular contact > with (1000 or so, between print forums and fellow franchisees) are > hell-bent on finding workarounds to the use of Adobe products, > beginning with swearing off the renewal of their ASN memberships and > further Adobe upgrades. You do the math. > > But totally apart from the probability of significant lost revenue to > Adobe, we would hope that you would simply understand why we cannot > let this stand, and that you would do the right thing without further > delay. > > "Adobe" -- a name that used to command such industry-wide respect, > is now one > that generates instant animosity, animous discussion, and voluminous > bad press. That you could have let this happen to the name is bad > enough; that you are dragging your feet and letting it continue is > unfathomable. > > > -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From sos at olympus.net Thu Jul 19 11:54:09 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu Jul 19 11:54:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Guy with some questions & comment References: <370506.55760.qm@web45306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <98f5b19a0707181821n3c86d2ecm258155aa84142379@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002001c7ca1d$0b80ef10$0300a8c0@DANIEL> > Michael Vogel says, > The PrintOwners archives are difficult, at best, to access. We have > been promised a solution for years that has not been forthcoming. ===================== Despite being asked over and over and over, to stop trying to destroy this list, Michael just can't leave it alone. Michael, why don't you unsubscribe from this list if you hate it so much? To access the archives: -- just follow the "Info" link at the bottom of any list message. In the third paragraph of that page, you'll see the link to the archives. You'll need your password if you haven't accessed them recently. If you don't remember your password, it can be emailed to you automatically by scrolling to the bottom of the Info page, and entering the email address at which you're subscribed to the list. The recent archives are available to all list members at no charge. As per list Mom, Bob Bergey. PrintOwners list is good. PrintOwnersNewsGroup also good. My advice is to subscribe to both. If as it turns out you don't like one or the other, it's easy to unsubscribe. Check the info at the bottom of each and every message. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com Thu Jul 19 12:15:35 2007 From: nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com (Nancy) Date: Thu Jul 19 12:16:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Xerox Action by John Stewart et al back in the 90s References: Message-ID: <009501c7ca20$0a3e2e80$0600a8c0@Nancy> John and group I remember some action against Xerox back in the 90s but can't remember exactly what they did and what action was taken but I do remember at a conference in Chicago John was passing out buttons and boycotting their booth. Also...Xerox was also reduced to almost Junk Bond status and nearly went under until there was an infusion of money from Fuji in the mid 90s. I don't know that the actions of NAQP had and impact at that time but it would be interesting to revisit the issue. John...can you remind us of the details. Nancy Middleton The Printing Place, Inc. 5878 Cook Road, Suite F Milford, OH 45150 nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax 877/248-8774 Toll Free www.theprintingplaceinc.com we now have web hosting From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu Jul 19 12:47:04 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu Jul 19 12:47:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Guy with some questions & comment In-Reply-To: <002001c7ca1d$0b80ef10$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <370506.55760.qm@web45306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <98f5b19a0707181821n3c86d2ecm258155aa84142379@mail.gmail.com> <002001c7ca1d$0b80ef10$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707190947h495b9f42pfd015c35219efcc3@mail.gmail.com> On 7/19/07, Dan Huntingford wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Michael Vogel says, > > The PrintOwners archives are difficult, at best, to access. We have > > been promised a solution for years that has not been forthcoming. > ===================== > > Despite being asked over and over and over, to stop trying to destroy this > list, Michael just can't leave it alone. > Michael, why don't you unsubscribe from this list if you hate it so much? > > I don't get it Dan. I responded to a legitmate question in a way that was > meant to be helpful. Bob responded in a way that was disingenuous. Try the > "archives" yourself. I did after Bob's post, which prompted me to follow-up > with some questions that he has not answered. Believe it or not, my > questions were real; I wondered if there is a way to search PO archives of > which I'm not aware. I was not trying to ruffle any feathers, just trying to > steer a newbie straight and make some helpful suggestions. Leave it alone? Unsubscribe? Hate the list? Where do you get that from? I am an active particpant in this and another list. I do not hate the list; I just happen to think that it duplicates the efforts of a similar list with a better feature-set. I have no intentions of unsubscribing nor of attempting to sabotage this forum. In an off-PO post, I informed newbie-Bill about the other listserve without in any way disparaging this one. I do believe that questions and/or answers about subjects that people might want to research at a future point are better posted on the list where they can easily be found later on, whereas this list is perfectly okay for more current discussions. What's *your* motive in making this personal attack? -- > Michael Vogel > Sir Speedy Printing > 9 Research Drive > Milford, CT 06460 > tel 203-877-1231 > fax 203-878-2679 > mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com > www.eSirSpeedy.com > > ==================================== > Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to > criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~ Lord Bacon From phil at theprintingstore.com Thu Jul 19 12:52:55 2007 From: phil at theprintingstore.com (Phil Barry) Date: Thu Jul 19 12:53:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Price of PMS Press Wash In-Reply-To: <004901c7ca12$4aa2bdf0$0600a8c0@Nancy> References: <59252.86529.qm@web45302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <004901c7ca12$4aa2bdf0$0600a8c0@Nancy> Message-ID: <21e31edd43977ca64163a0bccf5c3bfc@theprintingstore.com> We charge $50 for any ink other than black & $75 for metallic inks Thanks, Phil The Printing Store 621 Madison Oak Park, IL 60302 708-383-3638 708-383-3982 fax www.theprintingstore.com On Jul 19, 2007, at 9:37 AM, Nancy wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > For those of you still running conventional small offset > presses...what is your current charge for a PMS ink??? > We have been at $35.00 for a number of years and have been revaluating > all of pricing. Recently I had another printer quote work that I > didn't think we could run here and their PMS charge was $62.00 per > mix. > > I also still charge $20 for standard inks we always have in a can on > the shelf, 185, Reflex, Process, 200, 342 and a few more.. anything > else we mix. > > Am I too low or are they out of line??? > > OK.... I realize that markets are different everywhere so I will take > that into consideration. > > TIA > > Nancy > > Nancy Middleton > The Printing Place, Inc. > 5878 Cook Road, Suite F > Milford, OH 45150 > nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com > Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax > 877/248-8774 Toll Free > www.theprintingplaceinc.com > we now have web hosting > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From ron at printingconcepts.com Thu Jul 19 14:05:53 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Thu Jul 19 14:00:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Envelopes on KM C6500 & Install Problem Message-ID: We just had our C6500 installed today and I was wondering if anyone has run envelopes on this thing. The specs say you can run that size, but that doesn't mean an envelope will run. BTW, we found out the hard way that this machine not only needs 208V-240V, but each leg must be balanced. We have low voltage here so we installed a buck booster as we have done on much of our machinery. But since the machine really doesn't operate on 220V but two circuits of 110V on the 220V, the legs must be balanced. Never heard of such a thing until now and at first, the KM techs were clueless too. Finally someone higher up on the techy scale suggested checking both legs and that solved the problem. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "To each there comes in their lifetime a special moment when they are figuratively tapped on the shoulder and offered the chance to do a very special thing, unique to them and fitted to their talents. What a tragedy if that moment finds them unprepared or unqualified for that which could have been their finest hour." --Winston Churchill "When a nation has allowed itself to fall under a tyrannical regime, it cannot be absolved from the faults due to the guilt of the regime." --Winston Churchill Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From priorityprinting at comcast.net Thu Jul 19 14:05:55 2007 From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net) Date: Thu Jul 19 14:06:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Price of PMS Press Wash Message-ID: <071920071805.25512.469FA803000B85BE000063A822007343640902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> We charge $25 for standard ink color wash up and $36 for a PMS washup. Our pricing was based upon the 06-07 NAQP pricing study. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Nancy" > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > For those of you still running conventional small offset presses...what is > your current charge for a PMS ink??? > We have been at $35.00 for a number of years and have been revaluating all > of pricing. Recently I had another printer quote work that I didn't think we > could run here and their PMS charge was $62.00 per mix. > > I also still charge $20 for standard inks we always have in a can on the > shelf, 185, Reflex, Process, 200, 342 and a few more.. anything else we > mix. > > Am I too low or are they out of line??? > > OK.... I realize that markets are different everywhere so I will take that > into consideration. > > TIA > > Nancy > > Nancy Middleton > The Printing Place, Inc. > 5878 Cook Road, Suite F > Milford, OH 45150 > nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com > Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax > 877/248-8774 Toll Free > www.theprintingplaceinc.com > we now have web hosting > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From roger at watermarksolutions.com Thu Jul 19 15:49:40 2007 From: roger at watermarksolutions.com (Roger Mouritsen) Date: Thu Jul 19 14:50:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Envelopes on KM C6500 & Install Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ron, Sounds like you have a high leg panel at the plant. They are designed to run 220 3 phase motors most efficiently. We discovered this same issue in our building (a lot of electricians don't understand a high leg we found). Now we are extra cautious and always check voltages before installing any new equipment. We put a 6500 in a little over 2 weeks ago (our first entry into the toner world) and have almost 80,000 on it. I am unaware that you could run envelopes on it but would be interested in what more experienced users have to say. - Roger Mouritsen Watermark Integrated Print Solutions 1407 S. Dearborn St. Seattle, Washington 98144 206-443-4608 FAX 206-443-5670 roger@watermarksolutions.com www.watermarksolutions.com One to One Print Marketing > From: "Ron Taggart" > Reply-To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:05:53 -0400 > To: "printowners" > Subject: [PrintOwners] Envelopes on KM C6500 & Install Problem > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We just had our C6500 installed today and I was wondering if anyone has run > envelopes on this thing. The specs say you can run that size, but that > doesn't mean an envelope will run. > > BTW, we found out the hard way that this machine not only needs 208V-240V, > but each leg must be balanced. We have low voltage here so we installed a > buck booster as we have done on much of our machinery. But since the > machine really doesn't operate on 220V but two circuits of 110V on the 220V, > the legs must be balanced. Never heard of such a thing until now and at > first, the KM techs were clueless too. Finally someone higher up on the > techy scale suggested checking both legs and that solved the problem. > > > > > > Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below > should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a > statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general > edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. > > "To each there comes in their lifetime a special moment when they are > figuratively tapped on the shoulder and offered the chance to do a very > special thing, unique to them and fitted to their talents. What a tragedy > if that moment finds them unprepared or unqualified for that which could > have been their finest hour." --Winston Churchill > > "When a nation has allowed itself to fall under a tyrannical regime, it > cannot be absolved from the faults due to the guilt of the > regime." --Winston Churchill > > > Ron Taggart, President > PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. > 4246 Hudson Drive > Stow, Ohio 44224 > 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 > www.printingconcepts.com > ron@printingconcepts.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From robin at protypeonline.com Thu Jul 19 15:15:53 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Thu Jul 19 15:16:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] BIG Monitors Message-ID: my dtp staff thinks they need new and bigger monitors. I think they "deserve" new and wondering how big I can go and afford and get good resolution? I really like the Mac 30"...someone said I can use this with a pc (we are pc-based and I don't want to change) if we have a DVI connection? what is this? Also, the old issue of "accurate" color on the monitor has surfaced. Any improvements made in this area? But, I remind my staff we do NOT have customers that are "color management saavy" so we will not put unnecessary dollars towards achieving perfection when it comes to our dtp monitors. what are you using and what resolution is a minimum? Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com Thu Jul 19 15:34:05 2007 From: jquinn at sirspeedy4043.com (Jim Quinn) Date: Thu Jul 19 15:34:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] BIG Monitors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I use two 19" Dell Monitors on Graphics PC's as well as my CSR PC's. 19" PC monitors are only $200 - $220 each and it's well worth it to have 2 per machine in those positions. Use a 20" & a 23" Apple Monitor on each of our Graphics Mac's. Also use Pantone's Huey on the Graphics PC's and Macs'. It helps some and makes the Graphics guys feel good about their color. Jim Quinn Sir Speedy 4043 15323 Midway Road Addison, TX 75001 Phone 972-788-4266 Fax 972-788-2367 jquinn@sirspeedy4043.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 2:16 PM To: printowners printowners Cc: printownersNG Subject: [PrintOwners] BIG Monitors ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** my dtp staff thinks they need new and bigger monitors. I think they "deserve" new and wondering how big I can go and afford and get good resolution? I really like the Mac 30"...someone said I can use this with a pc (we are pc-based and I don't want to change) if we have a DVI connection? what is this? Also, the old issue of "accurate" color on the monitor has surfaced. Any improvements made in this area? But, I remind my staff we do NOT have customers that are "color management saavy" so we will not put unnecessary dollars towards achieving perfection when it comes to our dtp monitors. what are you using and what resolution is a minimum? Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From printer at ptialaska.net Thu Jul 19 15:40:00 2007 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Thu Jul 19 15:40:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Guy with some questions & comment In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0707190947h495b9f42pfd015c35219efcc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <370506.55760.qm@web45306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <98f5b19a0707181821n3c86d2ecm258155aa84142379@mail.gmail.com> <002001c7ca1d$0b80ef10$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <98f5b19a0707190947h495b9f42pfd015c35219efcc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C93430A-29F5-44C6-A9B8-A346CDC7FC64@ptialaska.net> On Jul 19, 2007, at 8:47 AM, Michael Vogel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > I just happen to think that it duplicates the efforts of a similar > list with a > better feature-set. REPLY: Interesting, maybe I am old fashioned (I never know if it is old fashionED or just old fashion), but I prefer the simple features on this list. My digital camera, vcr, microwave oven, etc are all feature rich, but I will never use most features and sometimes they confuse me (most of the time actually). I dont want attachments, that messes me up, if someone needs to send one they can send it directly to me. I want plain text not rich, and I dont really care about archives, if something was good I usually save it on my end. After using both lists serves I have come to the conclusion that I just like plain vanilla! Also, for some reason this list feels like family to me, not perfect, but just family. Maybe it comes with longevity... Anyway, sign me "Just Rambling" _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Thu Jul 19 15:41:13 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Thu Jul 19 15:42:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] BIG Monitors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Robin, I wanted to color calibrate my monitor to color output devices and the franchise support person at PIP Corp who handles this stuff says it is not possible since you are trying to match up a CMYK device with an RGB and you cannot get the same colors using the 2 different methods. That makes sense to me but I also know there are operations that are color calibrated. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 2:16 PM To: printowners printowners Cc: printownersNG Subject: [PrintOwners] BIG Monitors ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** my dtp staff thinks they need new and bigger monitors. I think they "deserve" new and wondering how big I can go and afford and get good resolution? I really like the Mac 30"...someone said I can use this with a pc (we are pc-based and I don't want to change) if we have a DVI connection? what is this? Also, the old issue of "accurate" color on the monitor has surfaced. Any improvements made in this area? But, I remind my staff we do NOT have customers that are "color management saavy" so we will not put unnecessary dollars towards achieving perfection when it comes to our dtp monitors. what are you using and what resolution is a minimum? Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.186) Database version: 5.07560 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.186) Database version: 5.07560 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From craig at newhavenprint.com Thu Jul 19 15:52:07 2007 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Thu Jul 19 15:52:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: BIG Monitors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070719195207.4B73F9BE2ED@rb.enter.net> We're using Dell 24" (UltraSharp 2407WFP-HC) widescreens which are great monitors at less than 1/2 the cost of the Apple 30's. You'd have plenty of money left over for some iPhones. ;-) Seriously, the 30's are wonderful monitors, but the 24" Dells aren't shabby either. Plus they have memory card slots in them, adjustable height, etc. They looked huge until I saw the 30". The Dell's always compared well against the Apple monitors in tests of color fidelity and sharpness. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Robin Niewold [mailto:robin@protypeonline.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 3:16 PM > To: printowners printowners > Cc: printownersNG > Subject: BIG Monitors > > my dtp staff thinks they need new and bigger monitors. I > think they "deserve" new and wondering how big I can go and > afford and get good resolution? > Robin Niewold From brianoday at eprint.us Thu Jul 19 16:06:37 2007 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Thu Jul 19 16:06:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Guy with some questions & comment In-Reply-To: <4C93430A-29F5-44C6-A9B8-A346CDC7FC64@ptialaska.net> References: <370506.55760.qm@web45306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><98f5b19a0707181821n3c86d2ecm258155aa84142379@mail.gmail.com><002001c7ca1d$0b80ef10$0300a8c0@DANIEL><98f5b19a0707190947h495b9f42pfd015c35219efcc3@mail.gmail.com> <4C93430A-29F5-44C6-A9B8-A346CDC7FC64@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: <000d01c7ca40$509099c0$7801a8c0@Brian> I vote for vanilla also. I also find it impolite to tout another list while on this one! How would you like someone in your lobby telling your customers the competition is better! This list feels like home to me also I visited the other and came back and will stay as long as BOB is gracious enough to host it. Brian O'Day ePrint Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charles A. Lincoln Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:40 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] New Guy with some questions & comment ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Jul 19, 2007, at 8:47 AM, Michael Vogel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > I just happen to think that it duplicates the efforts of a similar > list with a > better feature-set. REPLY: Interesting, maybe I am old fashioned (I never know if it is old fashionED or just old fashion), but I prefer the simple features on this list. My digital camera, vcr, microwave oven, etc are all feature rich, but I will never use most features and sometimes they confuse me (most of the time actually). I dont want attachments, that messes me up, if someone needs to send one they can send it directly to me. I want plain text not rich, and I dont really care about archives, if something was good I usually save it on my end. After using both lists serves I have come to the conclusion that I just like plain vanilla! Also, for some reason this list feels like family to me, not perfect, but just family. Maybe it comes with longevity... Anyway, sign me "Just Rambling" _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu Jul 19 16:07:32 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu Jul 19 16:08:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Guy with some questions & comment In-Reply-To: <4C93430A-29F5-44C6-A9B8-A346CDC7FC64@ptialaska.net> References: <370506.55760.qm@web45306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <98f5b19a0707181821n3c86d2ecm258155aa84142379@mail.gmail.com> <002001c7ca1d$0b80ef10$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <98f5b19a0707190947h495b9f42pfd015c35219efcc3@mail.gmail.com> <4C93430A-29F5-44C6-A9B8-A346CDC7FC64@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707191307j2334959fs823cb39d2875cc5c@mail.gmail.com> On 7/19/07, Charles A. Lincoln wrote: > > Also, for some reason this list feels like family to me, not perfect, > but just family. > Maybe it comes with longevity... I wish this hadn't gotten started; I don't want to dwell on it. I feel the same way about the participants of PrintOwners -- family (though I bump into most of the family members at the other joint as well). I'm not suggesting you or anyone else switch. I simply made a comment to a newbie in response to a specific question. The comment was valid. He asked about archives. The ones here aren't very useful becuase they are not searchable. I simply passed that information along. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From John at mpcny.com Thu Jul 19 16:10:40 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Thu Jul 19 16:11:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ok here is what I talked about: WebsitesForPrinters.com: Disabling Adobe's FedEx Kinko's Button Message-ID: <006001c7ca40$e1870b30$a4952190$@com> Mike and Dave are the first ones to get this out. I am sure others will defeat Adobe. This is why Adobe's move is so dumb. >From WebsitesForPrinters.com Hello everyone, Are you concerned about Adobe's recent decision to put a direct link to FedEx Kinko's in Acrobat Reader and Acrobat Professional? I'd invite you to continue reading to learn how you can counter Adobe's misstep. Disabling Adobe's FedEx Kinko's Button I suspect you've heard about Adobe's recent decision to provide a direct link to FedEx Kinko's in their Adobe Reader and Adobe Acrobat software. Here's information straight from Adobe's Reader: Reasons to upgrade now web page: ________________________________________ Send PDF files directly to FedEx Kinko's FedEx Kinko's and Adobe Systems, Incorporated have teamed up to enhance your online printing experience. From Adobe Reader and Adobe Acrobat, you can now send PDF files directly to FedEx Kinko's for printing, binding, and shipping. ________________________________________ That means, of course, that any PDF created by your customer and viewed in Acrobat Reader will feature a big huge advertisement for FedEx Kinko's. A lot of the printers I visit with feel this move is a painful slap in the face for all the printers that have so ardently supported Adobe in the past. All of a sudden Adobe, a trusted partner, seems to have deserted its loyal customers in the printing industry. So what do you do? Here's one solution: encourage your customers to use a different method to create PDF files ... a method that disables the FedEx Kinko's button found in the Acrobat software. And that, my friends, is exactly what Jaws PDF Courier does! Let me be very clear about this: Jaws PDF Courier creates PDFs that prevent the use of Acrobat's FedEx Kinko's button. If you're not yet familiar with Jaws PDF Courier, please allow me to fill in a few of the details. Jaws PDF Courier is a virtual printer driver available from WebsitesForPrinters.com that you provide to your customers. Your customers perform a one-time installation of the Jaws software, resulting in a new ?printer? in their computer's printer list, branded to your printing firm. Anything printed to this virtual printer, from any software application, creates a PDF which is then delivered to your website's ordering system with a single click of a button. Here are two screen shots showing you the difference between a ?regular? PDF that your customers may create and a PDF created using Jaws PDF Courier. The screen shot (below) of the first PDF file is typical of what your customers may create using the tools readily available to them (Acrobat Distiller, PDF exports from their software applications, etc.). Customer-Created PDF with FedEx Kinko's Button Enabled In this case, the PDF was exported from a Microsoft Word document. As you can see, Acrobat Reader plainly presents a button linking directly to FedEx Kinko's. If your customer clicks this button, the PDF is delivered directly to the FedEx Kinko's website ordering system. The second screen shot shows a PDF created using the Jaws PDF Courier software, provided by WebsitesForPrinters.com. Note that the FedEx Kinko's button is disabled! If your customers use Jaws PDF Courier to create their PDF files, they will not be able to send the resulting PDF files to FedEx Kinko's! Customer-Created PDF with FedEx Kinko's Button Disabled That in itself should provide you with a good reason to consider providing Jaws PDF Courier to your customers, but there are more reasons: ? Jaws PDF Courier makes it easy for your customers to create print-friendly PDFs. More Info... ? Jaws PDF Courier integrates directly with your website ... and your website only. More Info... ? The Jaws PDF Courier workflow automatically preflights the PDFs. More Info... Are you interested in learning more? We'd like to invite you to try Jaws PDF Courier for yourself. Feel free to download the Jaws installer from any of the WebsitesForPrinters.com demo websites. ( Do you like what you're experiencing with Jaws PDF Courier? Do you see the benefits it provides? If so, we'd like to invite you to try it with your customers at no charge until November 1, 2007. Click here for the details of this offer. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for First, Second and Standard Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.9/907 - Release Date: 7/18/2007 3:30 PM From rick at jmjprinting.com Thu Jul 19 16:18:17 2007 From: rick at jmjprinting.com (Rick Foster) Date: Thu Jul 19 16:15:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Guy with some questions & comment In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0707190947h495b9f42pfd015c35219efcc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <370506.55760.qm@web45306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <98f5b19a0707181821n3c86d2ecm258155aa84142379@mail.gmail.com> <002001c7ca1d$0b80ef10$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <98f5b19a0707190947h495b9f42pfd015c35219efcc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: In reference to the message sent by Michael Vogel, on 7/19/07, at 12:47 PM -0400: >I do not hate the list; I just happen to think that it duplicates >the efforts of a similar list with a better feature-set. LOL, that's a new twist. This list (the original) duplicates the efforts of a similar list (the copy). The other list is the one duplicating the efforts of this list. Some of the features may be different, but still the copy is still a duplicate of the original. I'd think someone in printing would know that. -- Rick _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Rick B. Foster JMJ Printing Co. LLC - Snohomish, WA mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com http://www.jmjprinting.com 425.334.9716 Your Full Service Print Shop 425.397.9716 Fax We Appreciate Your Business! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From Susan at cdandp.net Thu Jul 19 16:22:22 2007 From: Susan at cdandp.net (Susan Compton) Date: Thu Jul 19 16:21:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ok here is what I talked about:WebsitesForPrinters.com: Disabling Adobe's FedEx Kinko's Button References: <006001c7ca40$e1870b30$a4952190$@com> Message-ID: <03ac01c7ca42$840152c0$6702a8c0@SUSAN> John, I love Websitesforprinters and have them host my website, so don't get me wrong. BUT, Websitesforprinters charges for its Jaws PDF Creator, so it is to their financial benefit to do this. Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Street Lexington, Virginia 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Henry" To: Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 4:10 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Ok here is what I talked about:WebsitesForPrinters.com: Disabling Adobe's FedEx Kinko's Button ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Mike and Dave are the first ones to get this out. I am sure others will defeat Adobe. This is why Adobe's move is so dumb. >From WebsitesForPrinters.com Hello everyone, Are you concerned about Adobe's recent decision to put a direct link to FedEx Kinko's in Acrobat Reader and Acrobat Professional? I'd invite you to continue reading to learn how you can counter Adobe's misstep. Disabling Adobe's FedEx Kinko's Button I suspect you've heard about Adobe's recent decision to provide a direct link to FedEx Kinko's in their Adobe Reader and Adobe Acrobat software. Here's information straight from Adobe's Reader: Reasons to upgrade now web page: ________________________________________ Send PDF files directly to FedEx Kinko's FedEx Kinko's and Adobe Systems, Incorporated have teamed up to enhance your online printing experience. From Adobe Reader and Adobe Acrobat, you can now send PDF files directly to FedEx Kinko's for printing, binding, and shipping. ________________________________________ That means, of course, that any PDF created by your customer and viewed in Acrobat Reader will feature a big huge advertisement for FedEx Kinko's. A lot of the printers I visit with feel this move is a painful slap in the face for all the printers that have so ardently supported Adobe in the past. All of a sudden Adobe, a trusted partner, seems to have deserted its loyal customers in the printing industry. So what do you do? Here's one solution: encourage your customers to use a different method to create PDF files ... a method that disables the FedEx Kinko's button found in the Acrobat software. And that, my friends, is exactly what Jaws PDF Courier does! Let me be very clear about this: Jaws PDF Courier creates PDFs that prevent the use of Acrobat's FedEx Kinko's button. If you're not yet familiar with Jaws PDF Courier, please allow me to fill in a few of the details. Jaws PDF Courier is a virtual printer driver available from WebsitesForPrinters.com that you provide to your customers. Your customers perform a one-time installation of the Jaws software, resulting in a new ?printer? in their computer's printer list, branded to your printing firm. Anything printed to this virtual printer, from any software application, creates a PDF which is then delivered to your website's ordering system with a single click of a button. Here are two screen shots showing you the difference between a ?regular? PDF that your customers may create and a PDF created using Jaws PDF Courier. The screen shot (below) of the first PDF file is typical of what your customers may create using the tools readily available to them (Acrobat Distiller, PDF exports from their software applications, etc.). Customer-Created PDF with FedEx Kinko's Button Enabled In this case, the PDF was exported from a Microsoft Word document. As you can see, Acrobat Reader plainly presents a button linking directly to FedEx Kinko's. If your customer clicks this button, the PDF is delivered directly to the FedEx Kinko's website ordering system. The second screen shot shows a PDF created using the Jaws PDF Courier software, provided by WebsitesForPrinters.com. Note that the FedEx Kinko's button is disabled! If your customers use Jaws PDF Courier to create their PDF files, they will not be able to send the resulting PDF files to FedEx Kinko's! Customer-Created PDF with FedEx Kinko's Button Disabled That in itself should provide you with a good reason to consider providing Jaws PDF Courier to your customers, but there are more reasons: ? Jaws PDF Courier makes it easy for your customers to create print-friendly PDFs. More Info... ? Jaws PDF Courier integrates directly with your website ... and your website only. More Info... ? The Jaws PDF Courier workflow automatically preflights the PDFs. More Info... Are you interested in learning more? We'd like to invite you to try Jaws PDF Courier for yourself. Feel free to download the Jaws installer from any of the WebsitesForPrinters.com demo websites. ( Do you like what you're experiencing with Jaws PDF Courier? Do you see the benefits it provides? If so, we'd like to invite you to try it with your customers at no charge until November 1, 2007. Click here for the details of this offer. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com We are an Adobe Authorized Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider We offer the Oswego area's only full service mailing for First, Second and Standard Class mailings. We handle everything from concept... to printing...to mailing! Ask us how YOU can SAVE money!!! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.9/907 - Release Date: 7/18/2007 3:30 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 1916 (20061212) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu Jul 19 16:28:13 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu Jul 19 16:28:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Guy with some questions & comment In-Reply-To: <000d01c7ca40$509099c0$7801a8c0@Brian> References: <370506.55760.qm@web45306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <98f5b19a0707181821n3c86d2ecm258155aa84142379@mail.gmail.com> <002001c7ca1d$0b80ef10$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <98f5b19a0707190947h495b9f42pfd015c35219efcc3@mail.gmail.com> <4C93430A-29F5-44C6-A9B8-A346CDC7FC64@ptialaska.net> <000d01c7ca40$509099c0$7801a8c0@Brian> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707191328l36eb6232od993858ba052244d@mail.gmail.com> On 7/19/07, Brian O'Day wrote: > > I vote for vanilla also. Nobody called for a vote. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From brianoday at eprint.us Thu Jul 19 16:53:18 2007 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Thu Jul 19 16:53:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Guy with some questions & comment In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0707191328l36eb6232od993858ba052244d@mail.gmail.com> References: <370506.55760.qm@web45306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><98f5b19a0707181821n3c86d2ecm258155aa84142379@mail.gmail.com><002001c7ca1d$0b80ef10$0300a8c0@DANIEL><98f5b19a0707190947h495b9f42pfd015c35219efcc3@mail.gmail.com><4C93430A-29F5-44C6-A9B8-A346CDC7FC64@ptialaska.net><000d01c7ca40$509099c0$7801a8c0@Brian> <98f5b19a0707191328l36eb6232od993858ba052244d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002801c7ca46$d5f3bab0$7801a8c0@Brian> That's twice Brian O'Day ePrint Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:28 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] New Guy with some questions & comment ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On 7/19/07, Brian O'Day wrote: > > I vote for vanilla also. Nobody called for a vote. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From robin at protypeonline.com Thu Jul 19 19:02:04 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Thu Jul 19 19:02:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ok here is what I talked about: WebsitesForPrinters.com: Disabling Adobe's FedEx Kinko's Button Message-ID: How long before PagePath/MyOrderDesk follow suit with their own PDF2U printdriver? Sooner rather than later, I hope! robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From printer at ptialaska.net Thu Jul 19 19:17:21 2007 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Thu Jul 19 20:55:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] BIG Monitors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6E7D4859-4DCF-45D6-A9D6-C637199CDD42@ptialaska.net> On Jul 19, 2007, at 11:15 AM, Robin Niewold wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > my dtp staff thinks they need new and bigger monitors. REPLY: Get em the mac 30" and they will love you (even the 20" or 23"). The Apple is the best for graphics, though expensive. We just bought a 23" HP flat (gloss) and it is nice, it came with the computer. HP is making nice hardware again. _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From keli at parchmentpress.net Thu Jul 19 22:18:45 2007 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Thu Jul 19 22:18:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ok here is what I talked about: WebsitesForPrinters.com: Disabling Adobe's FedEx Kinko's Button In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46A01B85.9060007@parchmentpress.net> They already have! http://www.pagepath.com/how_does_it_work/pdf2u.aspx see... thanks, Michael Markuson (aka Keli) Parchment Press 52 S River St Coxsackie, NY 12051 Parchment Press is a Cottage Industry of the Twelve Tribes Communities - To learn more about our community and what we are all about - please feel free to email me off list or visit our website at : http://www.twelvetribes.com Robin Niewold wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > How long before PagePath/MyOrderDesk follow suit with their own PDF2U > printdriver? Sooner rather than later, I hope! > robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From ron at printingconcepts.com Fri Jul 20 07:09:18 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Fri Jul 20 07:04:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel numbering Message-ID: We are developing a digital estimating sheet in Excel and need to have a incrementing number to present as our quote number. I am drawing a blank as to how to accomplish this. This number would increment one more each time we made a new quote letter. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "To each there comes in their lifetime a special moment when they are figuratively tapped on the shoulder and offered the chance to do a very special thing, unique to them and fitted to their talents. What a tragedy if that moment finds them unprepared or unqualified for that which could have been their finest hour." --Winston Churchill "When a nation has allowed itself to fall under a tyrannical regime, it cannot be absolved from the faults due to the guilt of the regime." --Winston Churchill Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From mail at myprinter.biz Fri Jul 20 08:46:37 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Fri Jul 20 08:46:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel numbering In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ron - I'd love to help, but need more detail. If you're talking about having multiple worksheets, each as its own quote, and want the numbers to be consecutive, one easy way to do that is by creating the template and saving it, enter the first quote number and info, and save it to that number. Thereafter, open the most recent quote - i.e., the highest numbered file name, manually edit the number to the the new, next highest number, blank the cells requiring unique data entry, enter the new data, then save the worksheet to the new number. You're going to have to enter quote specs for each job, anyway, so why not use a low-tech solution to numbering that doesn't require programming or arcane formuli? Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Ron Taggart Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 7:09 AM To: printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel numbering ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are developing a digital estimating sheet in Excel and need to have a incrementing number to present as our quote number. I am drawing a blank as to how to accomplish this. This number would increment one more each time we made a new quote letter. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. "To each there comes in their lifetime a special moment when they are figuratively tapped on the shoulder and offered the chance to do a very special thing, unique to them and fitted to their talents. What a tragedy if that moment finds them unprepared or unqualified for that which could have been their finest hour." --Winston Churchill "When a nation has allowed itself to fall under a tyrannical regime, it cannot be absolved from the faults due to the guilt of the regime." --Winston Churchill Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From allreadyprinting at gmail.com Fri Jul 20 08:59:08 2007 From: allreadyprinting at gmail.com (All Ready Printing) Date: Fri Jul 20 08:59:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Excel numbering In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <844f39e80707200559j712cb863g7188d9195b08426f@mail.gmail.com> Ron I once needed assistance for Excel. We wanted to increment numbers every third time for numbering. I searched Google for Microsoft office assistance. What came back was kind of an association of people who know how to do these things. The advice was accurate, easy to follow and free. Try this and see if you can do the same. Ernie Kensey All Ready Printing On 7/20/07, Ron Taggart wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are developing a digital estimating sheet in Excel and need to have a > incrementing number to present as our quote number. I am drawing a blank > as > to how to accomplish this. This number would increment one more each time > we made a new quote letter. Any input would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear > below > should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner > a > statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the > general > edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. > > "To each there comes in their lifetime a special moment when they are > figuratively tapped on the shoulder and offered the chance to do a very > special thing, unique to them and fitted to their talents. What a tragedy > if that moment finds them unprepared or unqualified for that which could > have been their finest hour." --Winston Churchill > > "When a nation has allowed itself to fall under a tyrannical regime, it > cannot be absolved from the faults due to the guilt of the > regime." --Winston Churchill > > > Ron Taggart, President > PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. > 4246 Hudson Drive > Stow, Ohio 44224 > 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 > www.printingconcepts.com > ron@printingconcepts.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- All Ready Inc. 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Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com www.mpcny.com/printblogger No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.10/908 - Release Date: 7/19/2007 6:10 PM From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Fri Jul 20 10:58:44 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Fri Jul 20 10:59:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] without the nuts please Message-ID: I'll take vanilla too.......without the nuts please. Larry >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nobody called for a vote. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Fri Jul 20 10:59:15 2007 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Fri Jul 20 10:59:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Guy with some questions & comment In-Reply-To: References: <370506.55760.qm@web45306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <98f5b19a0707181821n3c86d2ecm258155aa84142379@mail.gmail.com> <002001c7ca1d$0b80ef10$0300a8c0@DANIEL> <98f5b19a0707190947h495b9f42pfd015c35219efcc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46A0CDC3.1020909@sugarloafprint.com> Actually it's not. Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 Rick Foster wrote: > This list (the original) duplicates the efforts of a similar list (the > copy). From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Fri Jul 20 11:00:51 2007 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Fri Jul 20 11:01:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Price of PMS Press Wash In-Reply-To: <071920071805.25512.469FA803000B85BE000063A822007343640902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> References: <071920071805.25512.469FA803000B85BE000063A822007343640902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <46A0CE23.90409@sugarloafprint.com> $37.50 for any type of wash up $45.00 for a PMS color match Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From priorityprinting at comcast.net Fri Jul 20 11:29:05 2007 From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net) Date: Fri Jul 20 11:29:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Accounting Policies/Cash Flow Message-ID: <072020071529.11519.46A0D4C1000B061000002CFF22007511500902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> I think some of our accounting practices are in need of a possible tune up. I would be very interested to know how other printers handle these various situations which can have an impact on cash flow. Do you have a finance charge for accounts which are more than 30 days overdue? Do you offer your accounts 2/10 net 30? Do you require a deposit on jobs for a new customer? If so, what percent? Do you require a deposit on large jobs over a certain a dollar amount? If so, what amount? Responses to these questions would be greatly appreciated. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 From jgross at techiowa.com Fri Jul 20 11:42:03 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Fri Jul 20 11:42:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Accounting Policies/Cash Flow In-Reply-To: <072020071529.11519.46A0D4C1000B061000002CFF22007511500902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000201c7cae4$8510e660$1e00000a@tech.local> See below John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of priorityprinting@comcast.net Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 10:29 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Accounting Policies/Cash Flow ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I think some of our accounting practices are in need of a possible tune up. I would be very interested to know how other printers handle these various situations which can have an impact on cash flow. Do you have a finance charge for accounts which are more than 30 days overdue? Yes, 1% a month and sometimes we collect them. Not always. Do you offer your accounts 2/10 net 30? Only net 30. Do you require a deposit on jobs for a new customer? If so, what percent? 50% Do you require a deposit on large jobs over a certain a dollar amount? If so, what amount? Not for proven customers, otherwise 50%. Responses to these questions would be greatly appreciated. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bob at rjmprinting.com Fri Jul 20 11:44:19 2007 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Fri Jul 20 11:45:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Accounting Policies/Cash Flow In-Reply-To: <072020071529.11519.46A0D4C1000B061000002CFF22007511500902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: Finance charge-Yes, a few customers actually do pay them Terms-not regularly Deposit New Customer-Yes 100%, one in awhile 50% Deposit on large jobs-Depends on the customer, good customer no, marginal customer yes. Couple of thoughts about Accounts Receivable: -We call at 25 days to see if they have the invoice and it is set-up for payment, not everyone just marginal payers. -We raise prices significantly when customers don't pay on a timely basis. -We don't hesitate to fire a customer who doesn't pay on a timely basis. -Even though most of our customers are net 30, we have net 15 printed on our invoices, it gets the new customers in the habit of paying earlier. Our receivables averaged approximately 28.5 days in 2006, right now they are at approximately 22 days. Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of priorityprinting@comcast.net Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 10:29 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Accounting Policies/Cash Flow ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I think some of our accounting practices are in need of a possible tune up. I would be very interested to know how other printers handle these various situations which can have an impact on cash flow. Do you have a finance charge for accounts which are more than 30 days overdue? Do you offer your accounts 2/10 net 30? Do you require a deposit on jobs for a new customer? If so, what percent? Do you require a deposit on large jobs over a certain a dollar amount? If so, what amount? Responses to these questions would be greatly appreciated. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From printer at ptialaska.net Fri Jul 20 11:46:32 2007 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Fri Jul 20 11:46:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe and Fedex Message-ID: <0155D80E-A2A6-436F-A585-5876120601E4@ptialaska.net> I have been following this thread but had not actually seen the fedex kinkos menu item in acrobat. I cannot believe that every new version of acrobat has a print button stating SEND TO FEDEX KINKOS. Talk about a slap in the face. Did Fedex BUY ADOBE? Could this be considered anti-trust? This certainly seems like it would warrant a class action suit or a cease and desist or something. We pay $700 a year to keep current and this is what we get? THIS IS REALLY WRONG and I would encourage any of you who have not looked at version 8 to do so. NAQP (or whatever it is called) should not have let this blindsided us like this. It reminds me of the XEROX REPRODUCTION CENTERS (XRC) that were actual printshops run by Xerox, talk about conflict of interest. TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR ACROBAT 8 and you will see the fedex kinkos button. _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From carisa at holmesprinting.com Fri Jul 20 11:54:16 2007 From: carisa at holmesprinting.com (Carisa Holmes-Peters) Date: Fri Jul 20 11:54:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Accounting Policies/Cash Flow In-Reply-To: <20070720154512.AD4A69C34C6@rb.enter.net> References: <20070720154512.AD4A69C34C6@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <01812B8B-492B-483B-9AB1-DDBC3C2980F2@holmesprinting.com> See below.... On Jul 20, 2007, at 11:45 AM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:29:05 +0000 > From: priorityprinting@comcast.net > Subject: [PrintOwners] Accounting Policies/Cash Flow > To: printowners@printweb.org > Message-ID: > > <072020071529.11519.46A0D4C1000B061000002CFF22007511500902079B02079D9F > 979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> > > > I think some of our accounting practices are in need of a possible > tune up. I would be very interested to know how other printers > handle these various situations which can have an impact on cash flow. > > Do you have a finance charge for accounts which are more than 30 > days overdue? Currently we do not. > > Do you offer your accounts 2/10 net 30? only net 30 > > Do you require a deposit on jobs for a new customer? If so, what > percent? if they do not have an established account...100% on business cards, anything else is based upon impression of the account by the sales rep > > Do you require a deposit on large jobs over a certain a dollar > amount? If so, what amount? if no established account sometimes we will get 50% up front > > Responses to these questions would be greatly appreciated. > > Jeff Farber > Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. > 1323 E. Main Street > Flushing, MI 48433 > Carisa Holmes-Peters Administrative Office Manager HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com http://www.holmesprinting.com/ ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** WE NOW PRINT LARGE FORMAT!!! POSTERS, BANNERS, INDOOR/OUTDOOR AND MORE - CALL TODAY! ************************************************************************ *************************************************************** From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Fri Jul 20 11:55:26 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Fri Jul 20 11:55:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe and Fedex In-Reply-To: <0155D80E-A2A6-436F-A585-5876120601E4@ptialaska.net> References: <0155D80E-A2A6-436F-A585-5876120601E4@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707200855ka26739eg4a17d87cd97c5419@mail.gmail.com> On 7/20/07, Charles A. Lincoln wrote: > > THIS IS REALLY WRONG > and I would encourage any of you who have not looked at version 8 to > do so. > TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR ACROBAT 8 and you will see the fedex kinkos button. Who are you -- Rip Van Winkle??? -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From cpurvine1 at cox.net Fri Jul 20 12:06:18 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Fri Jul 20 12:06:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Accounting Policies/Cash Flow In-Reply-To: <072020071529.11519.46A0D4C1000B061000002CFF22007511500902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> References: <072020071529.11519.46A0D4C1000B061000002CFF22007511500902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <009d01c7cae7$e9f8c7c0$0300a8c0@corapurvine> See below. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of priorityprinting@comcast.net Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 10:29 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Accounting Policies/Cash Flow ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I think some of our accounting practices are in need of a possible tune up. I would be very interested to know how other printers handle these various situations which can have an impact on cash flow. Do you have a finance charge for accounts which are more than 30 days overdue? Not at this time. I have very few that fit in this area. Do you offer your accounts 2/10 net 30? My bigger accounts I do, but all my smaller accounts pay when they pick up their jobs. Do you require a deposit on jobs for a new customer? If so, what percent? No, unless I think they might not pay, then I get them to prepay. Do you require a deposit on large jobs over a certain a dollar amount? If so, what amount? Not unless I will have to outsource it or have a large outlay then I get 50%. Responses to these questions would be greatly appreciated. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2409 (20070720) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From kellycrom at gmail.com Fri Jul 20 12:10:54 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Fri Jul 20 12:10:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Accounting Policies/Cash Flow In-Reply-To: <072020071529.11519.46A0D4C1000B061000002CFF22007511500902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> References: <072020071529.11519.46A0D4C1000B061000002CFF22007511500902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <029d01c7cae8$8d23b720$6d01a8c0@KELLY> We charge 1.5% FC on charges over 30 days. Most pay it, some do not(surprisingly, or maybe not, all of our Bank clients refuse to pay finance charges). On those accounts that refuse to pay FC, but typically pay past 30 days, we've added automatic(but hidden) "finance charges" to every job they order. We used to offer 2/10 to every charge account, but dropped that quite a few years ago. There are a few larger accounts that request it, and, as long as they are paying within 10 days, we still give them the discount. With new customers, we require a 50% deposit on new jobs under $250, and 100% on jobs over $250. On jobs where the paper is going to cost us over $2500(sometimes we will raise this minimum if the customer is a fast paying client), we require that the customer at least pay THEIR cost of the paper before we will even order the stock. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of > priorityprinting@comcast.net > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 10:29 AM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Accounting Policies/Cash Flow > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I think some of our accounting practices are in need of a > possible tune up. I would be very interested to know how > other printers handle these various situations which can have > an impact on cash flow. > > Do you have a finance charge for accounts which are more than > 30 days overdue? > > Do you offer your accounts 2/10 net 30? > > Do you require a deposit on jobs for a new customer? If so, > what percent? > > Do you require a deposit on large jobs over a certain a > dollar amount? If so, what amount? > > Responses to these questions would be greatly appreciated. > > Jeff Farber > Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. > 1323 E. Main Street > Flushing, MI 48433 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From ep101 at technaprint.com Fri Jul 20 12:15:47 2007 From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson) Date: Fri Jul 20 12:16:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Accounting Policies/Cash Flow In-Reply-To: <072020071529.11519.46A0D4C1000B061000002CFF22007511500902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: > Do you have a finance charge for accounts which are more than 30 days overdue? Yes. 1 1/2%. But typically larger accounts will not pay them. We simply write them off, note it in those cases, and add to their next order. They pay them one way or the other. It's kind of a principal thing with me. > Do you offer your accounts 2/10 net 30? No. > Do you require a deposit on jobs for a new customer? If so, what percent? Yes. 50%. Then C.O.D. on balance (until credit is established). > Do you require a deposit on large jobs over a certain a dollar amount? If so, > what amount? No. Not for established accounts. Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Fri Jul 20 12:21:50 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Fri Jul 20 12:22:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Accounting Policies/Cash Flow In-Reply-To: <072020071529.11519.46A0D4C1000B061000002CFF22007511500902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> References: <072020071529.11519.46A0D4C1000B061000002CFF22007511500902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707200921y5ed98f0er26d9fbabbfc733fa@mail.gmail.com> On 7/20/07, priorityprinting@comcast.net wrote: > > I think some of our accounting practices are in need of a possible tune up. > I would be very interested to know how other printers handle these various > situations which can have an impact on cash flow. I've copied and edited below a post that I sent awhile back to the PrintersPlan list. Reference to PP are to functions in PrintersPlan. We've never had collection problems by sticking to this procedure. I think you'll see it covers all the bases. In summary, (a) forget discounts, (b) forget statements, (c) build-in to your prices a percentage upcharge (instead of a finance charge) for those chronic slow-payers, (d) shorten your payment terms to Net 10. Explanations below: (1) Late fees do not motivate our customers to pay on time because most refuse to take them seriously. (2) Discounts are too often taken advantage of when not earned, and don't motivate the chronic slow-payers. (3) In PP, adding the 3% or whatever percentage you choose is totally automatic and transparent, both to your employees and to the customer. (4) A 3% upcharge will earn you 18% or more on your money when you use this *only* for those who you know will pay, but who always pay late. Here's how we accomplish that: TERMS: Net 10 (at least that's what it says on the invoice) No statements sent Chronic slow-payers (45-60) - no collection calls, but an automatic 3% upcharge Over 30 days on new accounts OR to accts that are not known to be chronic slow-payers -- a PAST DUE notice is sent, along with copies of all outstanding invoices to eliminate the "I don't have the invoice" stall. Sometimes, selectively, we even fax the past due notice if we think the customer could use the extra motivation from the discomfort it might cause. New customers learn the first time out that we're serious about our terms. A past due notice sent on day 31 is A LOT STRONGER than a statement, to which most people pay no attention. I've written about our method before, but without benefit of having the clear report to back up my method. The numbers above, I think, speak for themselves. Stop screwing around with adding late charges, removing late charges, making bookkeeping adjustments, sending statements, paying for postage, not receiving earned late fees. As for the Net 10 terms, when I made the switch from Net 30, I just did it -- started changing the terms in customer files without notification, except to brand new accounts. And with new customers who ask for an account, we offer them the option of our Net 10 terms or payment by credit card (the ol' "alternate of choice" close ) unless it's a large company where we don't want to appear difficult to do business with and some flexibility is warranted. Based on a recent PP report, here's how our collection numbers stack up (bear in mind that our terms are Net 10, so, for example, 1-7 days late really means 11-18 days): Paid on or before due date (i.e., 10 days or less): 29.8% 1-7 days late (i.e., 11-18 days): 22.5% 8-15 days late (i.e., 18-25 days): 18.6% (that's a cumulative 70.9% in 25 days or less) 16-30 days late (i.e. 26-40 days): 24.4% (for a total of 95.3% under 40 days) More than 30 days late (i.e. 41 days +): 4.8% (all of these are paying for the "privilege") HTH (I promise it will if you implement it). -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Fri Jul 20 12:26:01 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Fri Jul 20 12:26:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Accounting Policies/Cash Flow In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0707200921y5ed98f0er26d9fbabbfc733fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <072020071529.11519.46A0D4C1000B061000002CFF22007511500902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> <98f5b19a0707200921y5ed98f0er26d9fbabbfc733fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707200926t5b03fea5u9020d0a141349631@mail.gmail.com> A paragraph in my preceding post makes no sense. I failed to delete it from ean earlier post to the PP list that I edited for use here. So disregard this paragraph from the previous post: > I've written about our method before, but without benefit of having > the clear report to back up my method. The numbers above, I think, > speak for themselves. Stop screwing around with adding late charges, > removing late charges, making bookkeeping adjustments, sending > statements, paying for postage, not receiving earned late fees. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Fri Jul 20 12:33:00 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Fri Jul 20 12:34:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Accounting Policies/Cash Flow In-Reply-To: References: <072020071529.11519.46A0D4C1000B061000002CFF22007511500902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: This is not a knock about Eric's policy regarding credit, but when I read it I remembered something that, from time to time, puzzles me. If new customers are COD until credit is established, how do they establish credit? By virtue of them paying COD the first time or the tenth time, we still have no way of knowing how they handle credit. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Eric Pearson Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 11:16 AM To: printowners printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Accounting Policies/Cash Flow > Do you require a deposit on jobs for a new customer? If so, what percent? Yes. 50%. Then C.O.D. on balance (until credit is established). E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.186) Database version: 5.07560 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From kevin at abfprints.com Fri Jul 20 12:40:48 2007 From: kevin at abfprints.com (Kevin Danko) Date: Fri Jul 20 12:41:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Accounting Policies/Cash Flow In-Reply-To: <072020071529.11519.46A0D4C1000B061000002CFF22007511500902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> References: <072020071529.11519.46A0D4C1000B061000002CFF22007511500902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00df01c7caec$c1c6c3b0$b278d74b@Danko> See below! Kevin Danko Advantage Business Forms 102 N. Riverside Ave. Rialto, CA 92376 (909) 875-7163 Fax: (909) 875-7971 E-mail: kevin@abfprints.com www.abfprints.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of priorityprinting@comcast.net Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 8:29 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Accounting Policies/Cash Flow ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I think some of our accounting practices are in need of a possible tune up. I would be very interested to know how other printers handle these various situations which can have an impact on cash flow. Do you have a finance charge for accounts which are more than 30 days overdue? We don't, it usually ticks off good customers. We just keep a close eye on our A/R Do you offer your accounts 2/10 net 30? Yes Do you require a deposit on jobs for a new customer? Yes. If so, what percent? 50% Do you require a deposit on large jobs over a certain a dollar amount? If something were to exceed their individual credit line we would ask for anywhere from 25 to 50% deposit. If so, what amount? Responses to these questions would be greatly appreciated. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From craig at newhavenprint.com Fri Jul 20 13:52:23 2007 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Fri Jul 20 13:52:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe and Fedex In-Reply-To: <0155D80E-A2A6-436F-A585-5876120601E4@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: <20070720175210.2CB1C9C4296@rb.enter.net> > THIS IS REALLY WRONG and I would > encourage any of you who have not looked at version 8 to do > so. NAQP (or whatever it is called) should not have let this > blindsided us like this. > TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR ACROBAT 8 and you will see the fedex > kinkos button. > Charles Lincoln > ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY Surely you really don't blame NAQP for letting this happen. That's just crazy talk. NAQP/NAPL sent a letter to Adobe on June 15th (over a month ago) stating our members outrage at their short sited decision. Steve Johnson (President of NAQP) even flew out to California on Tuesday to meet with Adobe as well as other printing association leaders and franchise presidents. Nobody likes what happened with the Adobe software, but please put the blame where it's deserved - on Adobe. We consider Adobe a business partner. I don't appreciate what they did, but I do require their software and technology to efficiently run my shop. I hope they do the right thing and figure out a solution quickly, but I'm not holding my breath. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From mail at myprinter.biz Fri Jul 20 13:53:43 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Fri Jul 20 13:53:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Accounting Policies/Cash Flow In-Reply-To: <072020071529.11519.46A0D4C1000B061000002CFF22007511500902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: See below. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of priorityprinting@comcast.net Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 11:29 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Accounting Policies/Cash Flow ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I think some of our accounting practices are in need of a possible tune up. I would be very interested to know how other printers handle these various situations which can have an impact on cash flow. Do you have a finance charge for accounts which are more than 30 days overdue? No. Do you offer your accounts 2/10 net 30? No. Do you require a deposit on jobs for a new customer? If so, what percent? Depends: No, for a known entity that could give us lots of business. Yes - 50% - for others. Do you require a deposit on large jobs over a certain a dollar amount? If so, what amount? Depends: We've done that once in the last 8 years, and it was a job that invoiced for over $30,000.00. Responses to these questions would be greatly appreciated. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Fri Jul 20 14:08:58 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Fri Jul 20 14:11:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Accounting Policies/Cash Flow In-Reply-To: <20070720164117.7A3BE9C3BB1@rb.enter.net> References: <20070720164117.7A3BE9C3BB1@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <616cdde113e6573bbfdad2e641a57c94@sheergraphics.com> >> I think some of our accounting practices are in need of a possible >> tune up. >> I would be very interested to know how other printers handle these >> various >> situations which can have an impact on cash flow. We, like Michael Vogel handle a/r in a similar fashion: > ...In summary, > (a) forget discounts > (b) forget statements > (c) build-in to your prices a percentage upcharge (instead of a > finance charge) for those chronic > slow-payers > (d) shorten your payment terms to Net 10. It works very well. > This is not a knock about Eric's policy regarding credit, but .... If > new customers > are COD until credit is established, how do they establish credit? By > virtue > of them paying COD the first time or the tenth time, we still have no > way of > knowing how they handle credit. We don't generally demand a deposit or COD from new customers, but it is a judgement to be made when we visit the customer. The overwhelming majority of our customers are corporations; we do not have walk-in or SOHO customers. If the out of pocket costs of materials is high, then a new customer might be asked for a reasonably sounding percentage of the sale price sufficient to more than cover these costs. We're happy to test out new customers with small, low dollar value sales. This reveals their instructional and communication accuracy, attitudes about proofing responsibilities, and punctuality of payments - at low risk. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From mail at myprinter.biz Fri Jul 20 14:36:59 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Fri Jul 20 14:36:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe and Fedex In-Reply-To: <20070720175210.2CB1C9C4296@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: "I don't appreciate what they [Adobe] did, but I do require their software and technology to efficiently run my shop. I hope they do the right thing and figure out a solution quickly, but I'm not holding my breath." Craig Craig - If you'll read the joint Adobe/FedEx Kinko's press release that went out under the Adobe logo, you'll find that it's a disgusting advertisement that essentially extols the "high tech" virtues of Kinko's, and Adobe's software now shoves the Kinko's name in the face of every one of your customers and prospects, and makes it very easy for all of them to send their business to one of your competitors. Given those things, what more would Adobe have to do to convince you that it was time for you to stop hoping "they do the right thing" and start exploring - and being willing to help support - other alternatives to their technology and software? They've already raped your mother and your wife: How many of your daughters will it take? Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Craig Dellinger Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 1:52 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Adobe and Fedex ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > THIS IS REALLY WRONG and I would > encourage any of you who have not looked at version 8 to do > so. NAQP (or whatever it is called) should not have let this > blindsided us like this. > TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR ACROBAT 8 and you will see the fedex > kinkos button. > Charles Lincoln > ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY Surely you really don't blame NAQP for letting this happen. That's just crazy talk. NAQP/NAPL sent a letter to Adobe on June 15th (over a month ago) stating our members outrage at their short sited decision. Steve Johnson (President of NAQP) even flew out to California on Tuesday to meet with Adobe as well as other printing association leaders and franchise presidents. Nobody likes what happened with the Adobe software, but please put the blame where it's deserved - on Adobe. We consider Adobe a business partner. I don't appreciate what they did, but I do require their software and technology to efficiently run my shop. I hope they do the right thing and figure out a solution quickly, but I'm not holding my breath. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ep101 at technaprint.com Fri Jul 20 15:03:44 2007 From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson) Date: Fri Jul 20 15:03:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Accounting Policies/Cash Flow In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > This is not a knock about Eric's policy regarding credit, but when I read it > I remembered something that, from time to time, puzzles me. If new customers > are COD until credit is established, how do they establish credit? By virtue > of them paying COD the first time or the tenth time, we still have no way of > knowing how they handle credit. In this case, "establish credit" doesn't mean they're establishing credit through successful on-account activity with us. Rather, it means that we establish the availability of credit for the account. Sometimes we'll move a job so quickly that we don't have time to do due diligence on the account or they don't have time for whatever reason to get their paperwork back into us. We get a needs assessment and credit app to the customer right out of the gate, but sometimes they're slow in getting the credit application back. We normally check their bank reference(s) and a couple trade references before we extend credit. Usually, the folks get the info back into us quickly so we can do that due diligence and process the order on account, but failing that, there's no way I'm going to let an order out of my shop on account without having done our homework. Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Fri Jul 20 15:07:49 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Fri Jul 20 15:09:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe and Fedex In-Reply-To: References: <20070720175210.2CB1C9C4296@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Extremely poor choice of words! Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz They've already raped your mother and your wife: How many of your daughters will it take? E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.186) Database version: 5.07560 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From mail at myprinter.biz Fri Jul 20 15:19:15 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Fri Jul 20 15:19:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe and Fedex In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Extremely poor choice of words! " Mark Lake Mark - Everybody's entitled to their opinion, and I suspect that others might disagree with you. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Mark Lake Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 3:08 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Adobe and Fedex ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Extremely poor choice of words! Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz They've already raped your mother and your wife: How many of your daughters will it take? E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.186) Database version: 5.07560 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Fri Jul 20 15:41:29 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Fri Jul 20 15:42:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Accounting Policies/Cash Flow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Fair enough. We were looking at the same term from 2 different sides. I came from a credit union background where establishing credit was loaning a little bit of money and seeing their payment habits. You meant doing due diligence to make sure they are a good candidate for being granted credit. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Eric Pearson Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 2:04 PM To: printowners printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Accounting Policies/Cash Flow ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > This is not a knock about Eric's policy regarding credit, but when I > read it I remembered something that, from time to time, puzzles me. If > new customers are COD until credit is established, how do they > establish credit? By virtue of them paying COD the first time or the > tenth time, we still have no way of knowing how they handle credit. In this case, "establish credit" doesn't mean they're establishing credit through successful on-account activity with us. Rather, it means that we establish the availability of credit for the account. Sometimes we'll move a job so quickly that we don't have time to do due diligence on the account or they don't have time for whatever reason to get their paperwork back into us. We get a needs assessment and credit app to the customer right out of the gate, but sometimes they're slow in getting the credit application back. We normally check their bank reference(s) and a couple trade references before we extend credit. Usually, the folks get the info back into us quickly so we can do that due diligence and process the order on account, but failing that, there's no way I'm going to let an order out of my shop on account without having done our homework. Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.186) Database version: 5.07560 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.186) Database version: 5.07560 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com Fri Jul 20 15:56:41 2007 From: TomK at KingPrintingOnline.com (Tom King) Date: Fri Jul 20 15:57:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Accounting Policies/Cash Flow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000c01c7cb08$17829840$6600a8c0@Tom> A wise old sage in the printing industry told me, many years ago, "There's no way of knowing who's a deadbeat and who isn't, so give credit to anybody on the first job, then watch the account closely." ie, the biggest potential for loss is not the first time customer who doesn't pay, it's from the long time customer who's account you've allowed to 'get out of hand.' Tom King King Printing 1305 W. College Ave. State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-238-2536 Fax: 814-237-5238 Email: TomK@KingPrintingOnline.com From priorityprinting at comcast.net Fri Jul 20 16:00:28 2007 From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net) Date: Fri Jul 20 16:00:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Fed Ex Kinko's Message-ID: <072020072000.292.46A1145C000E92F40000012422007589420902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Copy of my letter to the additional names provided for the war. Dear Mr. Warnock: I am truly disgusted by the recent actions of Adobe to partner with Fed Ex Kinko's. This contract shows nothing but total disregard of the consequences this action has on an independent printer such as myself. My business is located in close proximity to a Kinko's location and Adobe has now given my competitor an unfair advantage. I have supported Adobe and have been a loyal ASN Service Provider. I have always spoken highly of the company and have recommended the software to many of my customers. After reading the recent Adobe press release I feel even more betrayed by the company. It seems clear to me that Adobe views the monetary gains from the contract with Fed Ex Kinko's more than the purchases and support my small company has made over the years. At this point until this situation is rectified I can no longer support Adobe. I have removed my Service Provider window sticker, my graphic artist will not be attending an Adobe training seminar as planned, and I will not renew my ASN Service Provider contract. I have also recommended two of my customers purchase Quark software when I was asked what to purchase. As an independent printer I view this situation as totally unacceptable and will continue to look for alternatives to using Adobe products until this situation is rectified to my satisfaction. Respectfully, Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E.Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 From si at ria.net Fri Jul 20 16:03:55 2007 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Fri Jul 20 16:05:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Prescription Pad Requirements Message-ID: <20070720130414.D6861483@pop16.mta.everyone.net> It kinda slipped under the radar, but effective October 1, 2007 prescriptions for most outpatient drugs written for Medicaid recipients must be "executed on a tamper-resistant pad". That's it. Rather vague, don't you think? This applies nationally, thanks to the "U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans' Care, Katrina Recovery, and Iraq Accountability Appropriations Act, 2007" aka Public Law 110-28. AP journalist Kevin Freking wrote an interesting article about the requirement that appeared in papers Wednesday: http://xrl.us/295a/RxPadPain.htm The complete Public Law 110-28 document can be obtained in PDF format here: http://xrl.us/295a/DidYourCongressmanReadThis.htm HINT: If you're having a hard time locating the rule, it's at the bottom of page 77 and top of page 78. Good time to take the money you're making shorting ADBE and put it into manufacturers of "tamper-resistant" paper? Doug -- Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From priorityprinting at comcast.net Fri Jul 20 16:57:21 2007 From: priorityprinting at comcast.net (priorityprinting@comcast.net) Date: Fri Jul 20 16:57:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rush Charges Message-ID: <072020072057.29117.46A121B1000498DF000071BD22070029530902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> We are debating whether to institute a rush charge. I think it probably is a good idea. I'm tired of customers thinking we have a magic button out back which can automatically produce the job they forgot to order for their presentation in the morning. We need the work and take in rush jobs and stay late and come in early. I want to start charging but would like to know what other people charge and what is their criteria. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 From jgross at techiowa.com Fri Jul 20 17:02:49 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Fri Jul 20 17:03:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rush Charges In-Reply-To: <072020072057.29117.46A121B1000498DF000071BD22070029530902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <007301c7cb11$547d0330$1e00000a@tech.local> We sometimes tell the client that we can do it, no problem. But since this is so late, would any overtime charges be a problem if we have to work late? If it's a reimbursable for them, we usually get the ot authorized. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of priorityprinting@comcast.net Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 3:57 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Rush Charges ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are debating whether to institute a rush charge. I think it probably is a good idea. I'm tired of customers thinking we have a magic button out back which can automatically produce the job they forgot to order for their presentation in the morning. We need the work and take in rush jobs and stay late and come in early. I want to start charging but would like to know what other people charge and what is their criteria. Jeff Farber Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. 1323 E. Main Street Flushing, MI 48433 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bnjbriggs at juno.com Fri Jul 20 17:17:01 2007 From: bnjbriggs at juno.com (bnjbriggs@juno.com) Date: Fri Jul 20 17:18:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Accounting Policies/Cash Flow Message-ID: <20070720.171701.19013.0@webmail26.lax.untd.com> Here's a problem that hasn't been mentioned yet. Customer orders a job,it's gets printed, he never comes to pick it up. Phone calls, post cards, etc. to response. What to do? I called the local P.D., he showed up the next day, complaining about the agreed on price. I said, "How to you expect to get business if you don't spread your business cards around?" More mumbling. Bob Briggs, Evangel Printers, Bucksport,Maine ________________________________________________________________________ Save hundreds of dollars a year with Juno Internet access. Plans start as low as $9.95 a month. Visit Juno today! http://track.juno.com/s/lc?u=http://ads.addynamix.com/click/2-2130421-170 From jgross at techiowa.com Fri Jul 20 17:35:17 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Fri Jul 20 17:35:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Accounting Policies/Cash Flow In-Reply-To: <20070720.171701.19013.0@webmail26.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <007b01c7cb15$ddaad2a0$1e00000a@tech.local> Bucksport must be a small town and your cousin the cop earned firsts at the turkey on Thanksgiving. You're blessed. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of bnjbriggs@juno.com Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 4:17 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Accounting Policies/Cash Flow ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Here's a problem that hasn't been mentioned yet. Customer orders a job,it's gets printed, he never comes to pick it up. Phone calls, post cards, etc. to response. What to do? I called the local P.D., he showed up the next day, complaining about the agreed on price. I said, "How to you expect to get business if you don't spread your business cards around?" More mumbling. Bob Briggs, Evangel Printers, Bucksport,Maine ________________________________________________________________________ Save hundreds of dollars a year with Juno Internet access. Plans start as low as $9.95 a month. Visit Juno today! http://track.juno.com/s/lc?u=http://ads.addynamix.com/click/2-2130421-170 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dominick at fmtc.com Fri Jul 20 18:11:03 2007 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Fri Jul 20 18:11:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Prescription Pad Requirements In-Reply-To: <20070720130414.D6861483@pop16.mta.everyone.net> References: <20070720130414.D6861483@pop16.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <46A132F7.6020003@fmtc.com> Once again, the rest of the states are way behind, or copying Oregon. This is very similar to the rules I have had to follow for the last couple years. They all seem to think if the paper changes color to your finger touch, it is safe, or if the word "void" appears, somebody will notice.... Yawn, just more crap for us printers... Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! Doug Shelton wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > It kinda slipped under the radar, but effective October 1, 2007 > prescriptions for most outpatient drugs written for Medicaid > recipients must be "executed on a tamper-resistant pad". That's > it. Rather vague, don't you think? > > This applies nationally, thanks to the "U.S. Troop Readiness, > Veterans' Care, Katrina Recovery, and Iraq Accountability > Appropriations Act, 2007" aka Public Law 110-28. > > AP journalist Kevin Freking wrote an interesting article about > the requirement that appeared in papers Wednesday: > > http://xrl.us/295a/RxPadPain.htm > > The complete Public Law 110-28 document can be obtained in PDF > format here: > > http://xrl.us/295a/DidYourCongressmanReadThis.htm > > HINT: If you're having a hard time locating the rule, it's at the > bottom of page 77 and top of page 78. > > Good time to take the money you're making shorting ADBE and > put it into manufacturers of "tamper-resistant" paper? > > Doug > > -- > Doug Shelton > Superior Impressions, Inc. > Toledo, Ohio > mailto:si@ria.net > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From dominick at fmtc.com Fri Jul 20 18:14:53 2007 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Fri Jul 20 18:15:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rush Charges In-Reply-To: <007301c7cb11$547d0330$1e00000a@tech.local> References: <007301c7cb11$547d0330$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: <46A133DD.2090200@fmtc.com> Rush charges are a must. They are a way to teach the customer that we do not have "gremlins" working late night. And that our time is valuable! I rarely say "you are being charged a rush" but nicely say "if you really really need it tomorrow, it will be an extra xx." Most of the time, they just say "I need it tomorrow" and I answer with "this is your price". Its usually a 70/30 win for us, and that price includes a minimum of $50 more. Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! John Gross wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We sometimes tell the client that we can do it, no problem. But since this > is so late, would any overtime charges be a problem if we have to work late? > > If it's a reimbursable for them, we usually get the ot authorized. > > John A. Gross > Technigraphics, Inc. > PO Box 1846 > Iowa City, Iowa 52244 > jgross@techiowa.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of > priorityprinting@comcast.net > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 3:57 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Rush Charges > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are debating whether to institute a rush charge. I think it probably is > a good idea. I'm tired of customers thinking we have a magic button out > back which can automatically produce the job they forgot to order for their > presentation in the morning. We need the work and take in rush jobs and > stay late and come in early. I want to start charging but would like to > know what other people charge and what is their criteria. > > Jeff Farber > Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. > 1323 E. Main Street > Flushing, MI 48433 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From si at ria.net Fri Jul 20 19:06:53 2007 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Fri Jul 20 19:07:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Prescription Pad Requirements In-Reply-To: <46A132F7.6020003@fmtc.com> References: <20070720130414.D6861483@pop16.mta.everyone.net> <46A132F7.6020003@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <20070720160712.D68685E5@pop15.mta.everyone.net> At 06:11 PM 7/20/2007, Joe Dominick wrote: >Once again, the rest of the states are way behind, or copying Oregon. >This is very similar to the rules I have had to follow for the last >couple years. It looks like all of us in the USA who print prescription pads are going to be required to meet the new requirements, so learning from your experience over the past few years would be helpful, Joe. And not only Joe, also from others in states that have specified "tamper-resistant" prescription forms previously. Any particular brands of paper you'd recommend? Or suggest that we avoid? Any pitfalls to look out for in the "secure" prescription pad arena? Doug -- Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From printer at ptialaska.net Fri Jul 20 20:06:46 2007 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Fri Jul 20 20:07:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Idea for Adobe Kinkos Message-ID: <656554BD-E861-43E3-BBA2-C82CCCECA06C@ptialaska.net> Since it seems Kinkos has bought out adobe, and I feel quite hopeless, I have a new idea. What if everyone on this list created a pdf saying something like this: BOYCOTT KINKOS / ADOBE (then follow this with one of the news articles explaining why the industry is fuming - as far as I know you would not need permission to print 1 copy of an article for personal use). If everyone sent just one copy maybe it would plug up their system (black and white 11 x 17 of course). Just a thought... _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From printer at ptialaska.net Fri Jul 20 20:10:42 2007 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Fri Jul 20 20:10:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Idea for Adobe Kinkos In-Reply-To: <656554BD-E861-43E3-BBA2-C82CCCECA06C@ptialaska.net> References: <656554BD-E861-43E3-BBA2-C82CCCECA06C@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: On Jul 20, 2007, at 4:06 PM, Charles A. Lincoln wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Since it seems Kinkos has bought out adobe, and I feel quite hopeless, REPLY: I meant HELPLESS, not hopeless... _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From bill at werkheiser.com Fri Jul 20 23:58:47 2007 From: bill at werkheiser.com (Bill Werkheiser) Date: Fri Jul 20 23:58:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] PrintSmith Training with Ron Woodruff In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0707020857q5d16143ay865a1f338583e420@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0707020857q5d16143ay865a1f338583e420@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46A18477.2030601@werkheiser.com> Our peer group, SEPPC, is sponsoring a PrintSmith training at Pawleys Island (Myrtle Beach, SC area) August 10-11. Friday 5pm - 9pm Saturday 8am - 5pm We have room rates of $139 per night at the Hampton Inn As of today, we have enough spots for 5 more companies. The cost is $250 per shop and $25.00 per additional person from the same shop. If you are interested in coming, please email me at bill@welovetoprint.com and I will send you a registration form which can be faxed to Diana Minta at A Better Image Printing Company. The first 5 companies to pay (Credit Card, check, paypal accepted) will close registration. -- Bill Werkheiser SE PrinTech, Inc. Coastal Mailing Services, Inc. http://WeLoveToPrint.com 315 E Banks Street - P O Box 27 Glennville, GA 30427 (912) 654-3610 voice (912) 654-3611 fax From bcreighton at danielsprinting.us Sat Jul 21 00:05:08 2007 From: bcreighton at danielsprinting.us (Bill Creighton) Date: Sat Jul 21 00:05:57 2007 Subject: SPAM-LOW: [PrintOwners] PrintSmith Training with Ron Woodruff In-Reply-To: <46A18477.2030601@werkheiser.com> References: <98f5b19a0707020857q5d16143ay865a1f338583e420@mail.gmail.com> <46A18477.2030601@werkheiser.com> Message-ID: <46A185F4.8040706@danielsprinting.us> More details on the agenda Ron will be covering? I have an employee who may want to come, I just need to get more detail. Beginner? Advanced? Thanks, Bill Bill Werkheiser wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Our peer group, SEPPC, is sponsoring a PrintSmith training at Pawleys > Island (Myrtle Beach, SC area) August 10-11. > > Friday 5pm - 9pm > Saturday 8am - 5pm > > We have room rates of $139 per night at the Hampton Inn > > As of today, we have enough spots for 5 more companies. The cost is > $250 per shop and $25.00 per additional person from the same shop. If > you are interested in coming, please email me at > bill@welovetoprint.com and I will send you a registration form which > can be faxed to Diana Minta at A Better Image Printing Company. > The first 5 companies to pay (Credit Card, check, paypal accepted) > will close registration. > -- Bill Creighton Daniels Printing 2141 Priest Bridge Drive #5 Crofton, MD 21114 301.261.3426 bcreighton@danielsprinting.us From bill at mauiprintworks.com Sat Jul 21 02:05:53 2007 From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works) Date: Sat Jul 21 02:06:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rush Charges In-Reply-To: <072020072057.29117.46A121B1000498DF000071BD22070029530902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> References: <072020072057.29117.46A121B1000498DF000071BD22070029530902079B02079D9F979B079D01079D9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <49c39238fe07b68a9ebfc2f4e5690cc0@mauiprintworks.com> We definitely apply Rush Charges, anywhere from 10 to 50%, depending on how much of a rush, how much it'll impact our production or personal lives, how good a customer, how much do you want the job, can the competition get it done, how I feel that day. Usually I'll feel like charging the rush :) Set a standard turn around time for jobs and if a job is needed faster than that, tack on a premium. Even 10% adds to your bottom line, but an overnight rush, I'd lean closer to 50%. Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku, HI 96793 (808)242-6634 Fax (808)242-8967 bill@mauiprintworks.com www. mauiprintworks.com > We are debating whether to institute a rush charge. I think it > probably is a good idea. I'm tired of customers thinking we have a > magic button out back which can automatically produce the job they > forgot to order for their presentation in the morning. We need the > work and take in rush jobs and stay late and come in early. I want to > start charging but would like to know what other people charge and > what is their criteria. > > Jeff Farber > Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. > 1323 E. Main Street > Flushing, MI 48433 From mark at newprinting.com Sat Jul 21 09:40:07 2007 From: mark at newprinting.com (Mark Weinfurter) Date: Sat Jul 21 09:40:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] My letter to Adobe/Kinko's In-Reply-To: <20070720124643.F2A259C245C@rb.enter.net> References: <20070720124643.F2A259C245C@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7d44a56b5ff7290f8ce64b7f9e0b40fb@newprinting.com> Mr. Warnock, After sitting on the side lines concerning this issue, I can be silent no more. I am sure you have received many responses from other printing owners recently. I own a commercial printing company that uses Adobe products virtually EVERY minute if EVERY day. I am an accredited Adobe service provider. I have FAITHFULLY purchased ALL of Adobe's products for DECADES. The Kinko's deal at the outset won't hurt my sales much, but I fear the future of small and even mid sized printers. Your deal will squeeze and close other printing/copy companies. How long before you have only a couple of dozen large users? They will dictate what they will pay, and what you will do for them. We are printing and copy companies. We are very loyal. We have steered our customers toward Adobe products. We have TRAINED our customers in YOUR product. We have CONVINCED our customers to BUY Adobe products. We are the industry. We are a very, very large group. We are world wide. We built Adobe. We're mad. Thanks, Mark Weinfurter N. E. W. Printing 1718 E. Wisconsin Ave. Appleton, WI 54911 1-888-563-0400 Fax 920-735-9945 www.newprinting.com mark@newprinting.com 'A very cool web site...www.newprinting.com' From joe at calagaz.com Sat Jul 21 09:45:29 2007 From: joe at calagaz.com (Joe Calagaz) Date: Sat Jul 21 09:45:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rush Charges Message-ID: What are your "standard turn around time" I have found that if you ever make the mistake of asking a customer when they want it the answer is always tomorrow or how soon can you have it...... I agree that there should be rush charges but to do that you must have a "standard turn around time" and for some reason customer really think we have that "magic button" Joe Calagaz Calagaz Digital Printing joe@calagaz.com www.calagazprinting.com 251-478-0487 ________________________________ From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org on behalf of Maui Print Works Sent: Sat 7/21/2007 1:05 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Rush Charges ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We definitely apply Rush Charges, anywhere from 10 to 50%, depending on how much of a rush, how much it'll impact our production or personal lives, how good a customer, how much do you want the job, can the competition get it done, how I feel that day. Usually I'll feel like charging the rush :) Set a standard turn around time for jobs and if a job is needed faster than that, tack on a premium. Even 10% adds to your bottom line, but an overnight rush, I'd lean closer to 50%. Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku, HI 96793 (808)242-6634 Fax (808)242-8967 bill@mauiprintworks.com www. mauiprintworks.com > We are debating whether to institute a rush charge. I think it > probably is a good idea. I'm tired of customers thinking we have a > magic button out back which can automatically produce the job they > forgot to order for their presentation in the morning. We need the > work and take in rush jobs and stay late and come in early. I want to > start charging but would like to know what other people charge and > what is their criteria. > > Jeff Farber > Priority Printing & Graphics, Inc. > 1323 E. Main Street > Flushing, MI 48433 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpurvine1 at cox.net Sat Jul 21 10:14:18 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Sat Jul 21 10:14:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] My letter to Adobe/Kinko's In-Reply-To: <7d44a56b5ff7290f8ce64b7f9e0b40fb@newprinting.com> References: <20070720124643.F2A259C245C@rb.enter.net> <7d44a56b5ff7290f8ce64b7f9e0b40fb@newprinting.com> Message-ID: <003c01c7cba1$6d9c9520$0300a8c0@corapurvine> Wow, another good one!!! Thanks Mark!!! Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark Weinfurter Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 8:40 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] My letter to Adobe/Kinko's ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Mr. Warnock, After sitting on the side lines concerning this issue, I can be silent no more. I am sure you have received many responses from other printing owners recently. I own a commercial printing company that uses Adobe products virtually EVERY minute if EVERY day. I am an accredited Adobe service provider. I have FAITHFULLY purchased ALL of Adobe's products for DECADES. The Kinko's deal at the outset won't hurt my sales much, but I fear the future of small and even mid sized printers. Your deal will squeeze and close other printing/copy companies. How long before you have only a couple of dozen large users? They will dictate what they will pay, and what you will do for them. We are printing and copy companies. We are very loyal. We have steered our customers toward Adobe products. We have TRAINED our customers in YOUR product. We have CONVINCED our customers to BUY Adobe products. We are the industry. We are a very, very large group. We are world wide. We built Adobe. We're mad. Thanks, Mark Weinfurter N. E. W. Printing 1718 E. Wisconsin Ave. Appleton, WI 54911 1-888-563-0400 Fax 920-735-9945 www.newprinting.com mark@newprinting.com 'A very cool web site...www.newprinting.com' _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2411 (20070721) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From bill at werkheiser.com Sat Jul 21 10:46:14 2007 From: bill at werkheiser.com (Bill Werkheiser) Date: Sat Jul 21 10:46:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] PrintSmith Training with Ron Woodruff In-Reply-To: <46A185F4.8040706@danielsprinting.us> References: <98f5b19a0707020857q5d16143ay865a1f338583e420@mail.gmail.com> <46A18477.2030601@werkheiser.com> <46A185F4.8040706@danielsprinting.us> Message-ID: <46A21C36.5050004@werkheiser.com> Bill Creighton wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > More details on the agenda Ron will be covering? > I have an employee who may want to come, I just need to get more > detail. Beginner? Advanced? > Thanks, > Bill _AGENDA: (Tentative, and subject to change)_ _ _ Friday Evening, August 10, 2007: 5pm---9pm 5:00: Introductions, Get Acquainted 5:15: Explain Materials in Booklet and CD 5:30: Small Introduction to 8.0, New Features 6:00: Report Writer: How to Automate Your Shop /7:00: Break (15 Minutes)/ / / 7:15:Report Writer: How to Load & Install Reports from CD 8:15: Report Writer: How to Modify Reports 8:45: Questions & Answers Saturday, August 11, 2007: 8:00am--- 5:00pm 8:00: Introductions, (Get Acquainted for persons not at evening session) 8:15: Overview of New Features in 8.0 9:15: Using Excel to figure BHR's, Costing & Pricing for entry into your MIS /10:15 Break (15 Minutes)/ //10:30: Saving Time and Money with Report Writer & Report Manager 1. Ordering Paper the quick and easy way 2. Scheduling for Prepress, Pressroom, Bindery, Mailroom, & Deliveries// // 3. Custom Job Ticket Advantages 4. Commissions Report (Less Journal Entries) 11:30: General Setup & Preferences Tips & Tricks /12:00-1:00 Break for Lunch/ // //1:00-2:00 Overview: Tracker & Scheduler /2:00 Break (15 Minutes)/ //2:15: Doc Prefs, Press Definitions, Copier Definitions, Security 3:30: Bindery Charges, Cutting by List 4:30: Questions & Answers, Informal Discussion Thank you, Ron Woodruff Relevant Works 22 Whitney Drive Milford, OH 45150 513-248-7610 Fax 513-248-7606 rwoodruff@relevantworks.com www.RelevantWorks.com Bill Werkheiser SE PrinTech, Inc. Coastal Mailing Services, Inc. http://WeLoveToPrint.com 315 E Banks Street - P O Box 27 Glennville, GA 30427 (912) 654-3610 voice (912) 654-3611 fax From acepm2 at gmail.com Sat Jul 21 13:32:04 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Sat Jul 21 13:32:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] BIG Monitors In-Reply-To: <6E7D4859-4DCF-45D6-A9D6-C637199CDD42@ptialaska.net> References: <6E7D4859-4DCF-45D6-A9D6-C637199CDD42@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: Does anyone on the list currently use the Apple 30"? Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On 7/19/07, Charles A. Lincoln wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > On Jul 19, 2007, at 11:15 AM, Robin Niewold wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > my dtp staff thinks they need new and bigger monitors. > > REPLY: > Get em the mac 30" and they will love you (even the 20" or 23"). The > Apple is the best for graphics, though expensive. > We just bought a 23" HP flat (gloss) and it is nice, it came with the > computer. HP is making nice hardware again. > > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > Charles Lincoln > ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY > 612 30th Avenue > Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 > (907) 451-1111 > fax (907) 451-4511 > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From acepm2 at gmail.com Sat Jul 21 12:16:19 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Sat Jul 21 20:08:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Computer Upgrades For New Graphics Department Message-ID: Well, with the building(s) finally coming to completing and my plant ready to be packed and moved, I'm also going to be looking to upgrade the computers in the graphics department. Now I know there are those of you on this list that like AMD, Intel, etc. I would like to hear both sides obviously. Yes, we do have budget constraints, however, we'll be upgrading the PC and the MAC. What I would like to do is pose the following concerns/questions: - We have a Dell that has been in place for almost 3 years. It is running XP Pro, Pentium 4 w/3.2 GIG speed, 1 GIG RAM (computer). The video card is a NVIDIA Quadro PCI-E and I'm not certain "if" or "how much" memory is on that card. This system is running CS3 with all the other necessary software for prepress. It runs SSSSSSSSooooooo slow I could scream. I have time to actually watch the screen redraw itself!! I'm not paying my graphics guy to sit there and wait. Is it the memory in the computer RAM that needs more? Is it this NVIDIA card? How can I get more speed and production for this area? Yes, pretty much everything is usually open at once. He is often left with a computer screen in "white" waiting while he as "ALT+TAB" to another program. - We have a basic 1.8 GHz PowerPC G5 (NOT Intel!). It is running OSX 10.4.1 and has 2GB DDR SDRam. It too has probably seen some better days. You cannot get much more speed out of this machine and it is close to 4-5 years old I believe. Same thing here. It is all a game of waiting for screen redraws, programs to load slowly, etc., etc. It is mainly used with CS3 as well as all the other necessary software for prepress. Great machine... but perhaps it has seen its day?? - I want to know if we can have one standard flat screen monitor like I do now (FPD2185W) for the PC and perhaps buy a larger 32" LCD for the machine? - If so, what do I need to look for in a flat panel of that size?? Will something from online sales give me a clearer, clean, color close (does not need to be exact Pantone Color representation on the large screen)? I need this area to become a lot more streamlined. We are also going to be moving into the wide format within the next 6-8 months if this makes any difference. Like I said, I know there are some really knowledgeable folks here online that can help me with this decision(s). No, I don't need a CRAY computer system, but the old Atari is not going to cut it either. I look forward to your replies. Thanks! Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From john at mpcny.com Sat Jul 21 11:50:21 2007 From: john at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Sat Jul 21 23:10:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New tactic for next week on Adobe In-Reply-To: <20070721141419.766A39C9C6A@rb.enter.net> References: <20070721141419.766A39C9C6A@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <000901c7cbae$d8695c00$893c1400$@com> The pressure is building and we need to keep it up until Adobe next's meeting. It is very important that this not die down. What we next need to do is hit the press with editorials. Every graphics magazine, printing or technology websites, let them know. All the money magazines, papers like the WSJ and their writers. People like, Romano, Davidson, Hall and other print writers need to hear from us again and again. Even you local papers Make sure you CC Mr. Warnock, Mr. Geschke, Mr. Chizen and all other Adobe contacts. I will post all the contacts in the press I have early next week. Next also send emails to Microsoft and Quark telling them how you feel betrayed by Adobe and wonder what partner programs they have for printers (they both do). The point is to show Adobe we are seeking them out. I will get contacts for them. As far a our industry associations go. I am confident that NAPL/NAQP understands our views on this and will do all they can. I worry about PIA/GATF, they get far more funding from Adobe. They came late to the table and am not sure if they willing to push very hard. If your member of PIA make sure they know what you expect and are watching their actions. The thing about this is we are 1000's of voices. Adobe has at best 5-6 people working on this. If they hired a PR firm to help, still less than a dozen. Every response has to be vetted and approved before they can respond. Our efforts are relentless and almost unfair as we have forums like this to plan and hit them. www.mpcny.com/printblogger John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com From joseph at mauiprintworks.com Sun Jul 22 13:27:02 2007 From: joseph at mauiprintworks.com (Joseph Marsh) Date: Sun Jul 22 13:27:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Introduction_Maui Print Works_Joseph Marsh Message-ID: Aloha- I have been on the printowners list in the past but I have been away from the family business for the last year. We are looking at expanding our operations here and I will be posting a lot of questions on how we should go about doing this and current equipment options. Our Current operations include: 2 graphics people, 2 macs 1 pc, Printsmith for estimating DPM QM 46-2 36 inch cutter Baum 714 folder Rollem numbering, scoring, perfing machine Vario 8 bin collator and booklet maker A few upcoming questions will be: Running operations in 2 separate buildings Job tracking for separate locations 4 color press suggestions DPM upgrade suggestions Folder suggestions I look forward to participating in discussions again. Joseph Marsh Maui Print Works Phone: 808-242-6634 Fax: 808-242-8967 joseph@mauiprintworks.com From k_graham at hotmail.com Sun Jul 22 15:29:26 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Sun Jul 22 15:29:38 2007 Subject: Rollem - [PrintOwners] Introduction_Maui Print Works_Joseph Marsh References: Message-ID: > Rollem numbering, scoring, perfing machine Has your Rollem been converted to run as a centered light sensor source. Info at http://dc.communityprinters.com/procolor/modules/wfdownloads/singlefile.php?cid=2&lid=2 Photo http://dc.communityprinters.com/procolor/uploads/rollem.jpg I did this about 15 years ago, using a $2.00 strip of right angle plastic as is used for some types of suspended ceilings. A electric wire clamp. 2 small bolts and some electrical tape. Time to convert - 1 afternoon. The unit that holds light and sensor consists of a stud and bottom and top bar. You disassemble this and re-assemble with the easily worked plastic as per photo. Advantage is you aren't always having to adjust light source. You have more options as to feed direction - paper to be numbered should always be in feed rollers so number position is precise. My picture has one error, you should keep a scoring wheel in line with the plastic portion that holds the light sensor, otherwise paper may catch it on way through. I would say you save 50% setup time on every job and more jobs are possible. You need either a programmable Rollem or a Rollem with delay adjustment dial as light source is fixed you must set delay as to when to have number strike the paper. Ken Graham From ed at graphicprintersinc.com Mon Jul 23 09:24:48 2007 From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce) Date: Mon Jul 23 09:24:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] BIG Monitors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005c01c7cd2c$d862b0b0$5a01a8c0@fileserver> We have had 2 of them with each connected to a G5 for about 2 years and they are great. They will each have 2 or 3 different files from different programs open at the same time on the screen. There was some adjustment to get used to everything being so large and so close. If I had it to do over again and we had the space I probably would go with 2 slightly smaller monitors for each workstation rather than the one big one. Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com From jdaghir at gmail.com Mon Jul 23 09:34:37 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Mon Jul 23 09:34:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Guy with some questions & comments In-Reply-To: <012101c7ca0d$8d79e4f0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <370506.55760.qm@web45306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <012101c7ca0d$8d79e4f0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <83d5b9620707230634m532f8d33s52b3cd557e1c2459@mail.gmail.com> Kelly, I'm sure you're probably all ready aware of this, but in case others aren't - In my opinion one of the big drawbacks of application-based trapping is that Quark & InDesign can only trap native content. Any placed content such as EPS files and PDF files will not be trapped (at least that was true a few years ago - it's possible that has changed with the newest releases but I don't think it has). It also leaves you without a good way of trapping customer generated documents in Word, Excel, etc. The big advantage of In-rip trapping is that EVERYTHING gets trapped automatically and without any thought or action on our part. Truly set-it-and-forget-it. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com On 7/19/07, Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > Kelly said: As for trapping, our Prepress staff has always been > knowlegeable enough to correctly set trap in their applications(Quark, > Adobe), so we never bothered buying any In-Rip trapping software. From QKCONSULT at aol.com Mon Jul 23 10:39:57 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 23 10:40:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Help from the Brits - 350 gsm silk cover stock? Message-ID: A UK advertising agency is specifying a 4x6 4/0 postcard on 350 gsm silk stock. That seems incredibly heavy and beyond our limitations on the color copier which is where this job is destined.... is that a normal weight used in Britain or is this agency just trying to be a bit difficult? John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From craig at newhavenprint.com Mon Jul 23 11:08:29 2007 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Mon Jul 23 11:08:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Help from the Brits - 350 gsm silk cover stock? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070723150813.B6F5C9D6221@rb.enter.net> Both Centura 130# Silk Cover and Utopia 130# Silk Cover are 350 gsm. They run fine on an iGen3. A lot of the agencies we do work for are specifying these stocks. They run well. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of > QKCONSULT@aol.com > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 10:40 AM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] Help from the Brits - 350 gsm silk cover stock? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > A UK advertising agency is specifying a 4x6 4/0 postcard on > 350 gsm silk stock. That seems incredibly heavy and beyond > our limitations on the color copier which is where this job > is destined.... is that a normal weight used in Britain or is > this agency just trying to be a bit difficult? > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ > (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of > the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1644 (20060704) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > From richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com Mon Jul 23 12:07:14 2007 From: richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com (Richard Moffat) Date: Mon Jul 23 12:06:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Help from the Brits - 350 gsm silk cover stock? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: John, 129# Hannoart Silk Cover = 348gsm. We run this all the time on our Xerox 2045. Richard Moffat Sir Speedy 244 S.W. 6th Street Miami, Florida 33130 (305) 285-1401 Tel (305) 285-1402 Fax richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com www.sirspeedy-brickell.com From joseph at mauiprintworks.com Mon Jul 23 12:47:59 2007 From: joseph at mauiprintworks.com (Joseph Marsh) Date: Mon Jul 23 12:49:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Separate Buildings and Job Tracking Message-ID: We just got the approval from our landlord to take the warehouse in the back of our shop. We are planning on moving our presses and bindery equipment into that area. This would mean that production will be in a separate building from prepress and graphics. We currently have a job board the helps us manage our workflow. Each job that comes in gets a card that will move through the board and show its location in shop. The nice thing with the job board is that it is in the middle of our shop and anyone can go and see what we have coming up. With our operations being split we are looking into the Job Tracking portion of Printsmith. For those that have split operations how do you keep track of jobs and keep everyone aware of what is coming through the shop? If you use the job tracker in Printsmith how are you using it? Will we need to have meetings every morning to schedule for production? Any insight to these issues will be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Joseph Marsh Maui Print Works Phone: 808-242-6634 Fax: 808-242-8967 joseph@mauiprintworks.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Jul 23 13:54:13 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Jul 23 13:54:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] An Open Letter to Mr. Warnock & Mr. Geschke Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707231054s244f3ef6xac297229707f4ce0@mail.gmail.com> An Open Letter to Mr. Warnock & Mr. Geschke: *On Adobe's Code of Business Conduct* I recently became aware of the *Adobe Code of Business Conduct*, found under Corporate Governance in the Investor Relations section of of Adobes' website: http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/invrelations/pdfs/code_of_conduct_ext.pdf , but could find no mention of a corporate resolution that this code has been amended or rescinded. The recent addition of the FedEx Kinko's link in Acrobat and Adobe Reader 8.1 (to be distributed, I understand, to half-a-billion(!) users -- potential customers, all, of your thousands of print partners) is a gross violation of Adobe's own Code. Or were those just *words* (of which * "ethics"* and *"ethical"* are highly representative, by the way)? Perhaps Adobe's executive and operating officers need to be reminded of the Code and some of its provisions: "*Fair Dealing* You are expected to deal fairly with employees, vendors, *partners*, and stockholders. *You are prohibited from engaging in unfair methods of competition and unfair* or deceptive *acts and practices.* *You should not take advantage of anyone through manipulation,* concealment, abuse of privileges information or misrepresentation of material facts." *"Conflicts of Interest...* "Factors you should consider in evaluating a potential conflict if interest include: "...Could the activity result in improper financial or other benefit (direct or indirect) to me or one of Adobe's customer, *partners,* suppliers *or other service providers? *" What's the difference, ethically, between what you expect of the conduct of individuals and of the conduct of the corporation in the face of the same partners whom you expect your employees to treat with fairness? *"Business Ethics Principles * Adobe aims to be a good corporate citizen by conducting business in an ethical manner... We should strive to ensure that the people and companies we associate with have the same values that we expect from ourselves. "Adobe is committed to promoting integrity and maintaining high standards of ethical conduct in all of our activities. *Our success is built on a foundation of integrity and depends on trusting relationships. **Our reputation is founded on* the personal integrity of our employees and *our commitment to the following guiding business ethics principles: * * * *? INTEGRITY AND RESPECT in conducting business according to high ethical standards and treating our employees, customers, vendors, partners,stockholders and the community in which we work with dignity and respect * * * *? HONESTY** in our* internal and *external communications* and all business transactions * * *? QUALITY *in our products and services, *striving to deliver the highest value to our* customers and *partners* * * *? RESPONSIBILITY for our words and actions to confirm our commitment to do what we say * *? FAIRNESS to our* fellow employees, customers, vendors, *partners *and stockholders *through adherence to* applicable laws, regulations and policies and *a high standard of behavior"* "When making business decisions, we should ask ourselves several important questions to determine if a specific action is proper: *? Am I adhering to the spirit, as well as the letter, of any law that may apply to my situation?* *? Are my actions consistent with the overall principles set forth in this Code as well other Adobe policies?* ? Would I want my actions reported publicly? ? What would my family, friends, manager or co-workers think of my actions? * ? Will there be any direct or indirect negative consequences for Adobe?" * ** "*Competitive Behavior* *Our activites are governed by antitrust and trade regulation* statutes in many jurisdictions where we conduct business. ** *"There are many types of activities that may...be violations* of applicable antitrust laws...*Such activites may include *certain types of discussions,...agreements, (whther formal or informal, written or oral), or *certain joint activities involving aAdobe and other third parties*." ** Adobe's recent act of "getting into bed" with FedexKinkos, putting the company's entire support behind one business partner at the expense of all its others, certainly violates the spirit of the corporate-legal-speak your Code of Business Conduct promotes, *wouldn't you say? * *I, and, to my knowledge, thousands of my colleagues, want to know what you are going to do about this, and why Adobe has thus far dragged its corporate feet about providing the acceptable response. * ** Sincerely, Michael Vogel -- Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com From s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com Mon Jul 23 13:55:44 2007 From: s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com (Sonya Hughes) Date: Mon Jul 23 13:58:49 2007 Subject: **Possible Spam** (5), RE: [PrintOwners] BIG Monitors In-Reply-To: <005c01c7cd2c$d862b0b0$5a01a8c0@fileserver> References: <005c01c7cd2c$d862b0b0$5a01a8c0@fileserver> Message-ID: Ellen, how you do use 2 monitors at one work station? And Why? S On Jul 23, 2007, at 8:24 AM, Ed Pierce wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have had 2 of them with each connected to a G5 for about 2 years > and they > are great. They will each have 2 or 3 different files from different > programs open at the same time on the screen. There was some > adjustment to > get used to everything being so large and so close. > > If I had it to do over again and we had the space I probably would > go with 2 > slightly smaller monitors for each workstation rather than the one > big one. > > > Ed Pierce > Graphic Print & Communication > Meridian MS > 601-485-7088 > ed@graphicprintersinc.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From bgallagher at nbn.net Mon Jul 23 14:51:42 2007 From: bgallagher at nbn.net (Bob Gallagher) Date: Mon Jul 23 14:51:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0707231054s244f3ef6xac297229707f4ce0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 7/23/07 1:54 PM, "Michael Vogel" wrote: Looking over the following, it seems Adobe may be in violation of the anti trust laws. http://www.ftc.gov/bc/compguide/ Think I'll make a phone call. Bob Gallagher Gallagher Printing, Inc. 601 W. Main Street Palmyra, PA 17078 717-838-1527 1-888-838-1527 Fax 717-838-5715 An Adobe Service Provider A Microsoft Publisher Provider Member, Adobe Solutions Network From ed at graphicprintersinc.com Mon Jul 23 15:18:06 2007 From: ed at graphicprintersinc.com (Ed Pierce) Date: Mon Jul 23 15:18:02 2007 Subject: **Possible Spam** (5), RE: [PrintOwners] BIG Monitors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00f201c7cd5e$34400820$5a01a8c0@fileserver> I am assuming you are writing to Ed not Ellen? But regardless of gender I will try & answer your questions. The how part is not real complicated given you have the correct video/graphic card installed. I don't know much about hardware so tell your vendor what you want to and for them to make it work. The why part for 2 monitors is the same as to why we would want a large monitor and that is to be able to see more of your work on the screen without scrolling back & forth and up & down as well as being to have files open in different programs that pertain to the file you are working on at present. You have more ability to drag & drop than having to copy & paste or to make changes in one program and import it to another one almost on the fly. Multiple screens or large screens just make a person more efficient at least in my opinion they do. Ed Pierce Graphic Print & Communication Meridian MS 601-485-7088 ed@graphicprintersinc.com From nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com Mon Jul 23 15:34:35 2007 From: nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com (Nancy) Date: Mon Jul 23 15:34:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Currency in Gold References: Message-ID: <01c001c7cd60$807208e0$0600a8c0@Nancy> I need to find about 250 sheets, 11x17, Gold Currency in cover stock. Does anyone happen to have some on a shelf that they could sell me??? It is a long story but we printed postcards on 8 1/2 x 11 from Xpedx and now we need 11 x 17 for program covers. Of course Xpedx tell me "It isn't available". Maybe it is a Mill item. Maybe its full carton, I don't know but I doubt that it came off the paper maker machinie at 8 1/2 x 11...somewhere there has to be full size sheets. Xpedx got me into this mess anyway. It is for a group I belong to. They were getting all crazy with designs, etc (I do the printing at deeply discounted prices) and I didn't want to have to fool with them. They looked in the little catalogs of blanks that every office gets and decided they couldn't afford the paper so I told the ladies that Arvey had some preprinted invitations shells. When they went to Arvey, someone at Arvey sold them Currency. Now they want the program covers to match and of course....its not available. OK, I have vented enough,. Please someone , make me the hero!!!!! Lord knows I hate working with women!!! That should be heroine!! TIA Nancy Middleton The Printing Place, Inc. 5878 Cook Road, Suite F Milford, OH 45150 nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com Phone 513/248-9004 Fax 513/248-8889 Fax 877/248-8774 Toll Free www.theprintingplaceinc.com we now have web hosting From bill at mauiprintworks.com Mon Jul 23 15:51:21 2007 From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works) Date: Mon Jul 23 15:51:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Currency in Gold In-Reply-To: <01c001c7cd60$807208e0$0600a8c0@Nancy> References: <01c001c7cd60$807208e0$0600a8c0@Nancy> Message-ID: <5e1a84316fc6d558973c9000e8c65ea0@mauiprintworks.com> Nancy You can but it online at www.thepapermillstore.com Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku, HI 96793 (808)242-6634 Fax (808)242-8967 bill@mauiprintworks.com www. mauiprintworks.com On Jul 23, 2007, at 9:34 AM, Nancy wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I need to find about 250 sheets, 11x17, Gold Currency in cover stock. > Does anyone happen to have some on a shelf that they could sell me??? > > It is a long story but we printed postcards on 8 1/2 x 11 from Xpedx > and now we need 11 x 17 for program covers. > > Of course Xpedx tell me "It isn't available". > > Maybe it is a Mill item. Maybe its full carton, I don't know but I > doubt that it came off the paper maker machinie at 8 1/2 x > 11...somewhere there has to be full size sheets. > > Xpedx got me into this mess anyway. It is for a group I belong to. > They were getting all crazy with designs, etc (I do the printing at > deeply discounted prices) and I didn't want to have to fool with them. > They looked in the little catalogs of blanks that every office gets > and decided they couldn't afford the paper so I told the ladies that > Arvey had some preprinted invitations shells. When they went to Arvey, > someone at Arvey sold them Currency. Now they want the program covers > to match and of course....its not available. > > Nancy Middleton > The Printing Place, Inc. > 5878 Cook Road, Suite F > Milford, OH 45150 > nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com From joseph at mauiprintworks.com Mon Jul 23 16:06:30 2007 From: joseph at mauiprintworks.com (Joseph Marsh) Date: Mon Jul 23 16:06:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Plate Maker Needed Message-ID: It looks like our DPM 2340 is taking its final breaths. We started having issues with it a year ago with different switches going bad and now it seems like we are having to open it up daily just to get plates to feed. Presstek has not been the greatest at helping us trouble shoot the problems. Being that we are in Hawaii it is very difficult (expensive) to get service for our equipment. What are some of you currently using or looking at for new DPM equipment? Does anyone have any experience with the Quicksetter 300e? Heidelberg has given us great technical support on our QM 46 which is a big plus for them. We currently use 8 mil poly plate and do a mixture of work from basic forms to large high end brochures for graphic designers. The DPM 2340 has given us great results in the past and the quality has been good for our customer base. Joseph Marsh Maui Print Works Phone: 808-242-6634 Fax: 808-242-8967 Cell: 808-264-6382 joseph@mauiprintworks.com From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Mon Jul 23 16:06:06 2007 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Wendt) Date: Mon Jul 23 16:07:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Guy with some questions & comment In-Reply-To: <4C93430A-29F5-44C6-A9B8-A346CDC7FC64@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: On 7/19/07 2:40 PM, "Charles A. Lincoln" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > REPLY: > Interesting, maybe I am old fashioned (I never know if it is old > fashionED or just old fashion), but I prefer the simple features on > this list. > My digital camera, vcr, microwave oven, etc are all feature rich, but > I will never use most features and sometimes they confuse me (most of > the time actually). > I dont want attachments, that messes me up, if someone needs to send > one they can send it directly to me. > I want plain text not rich, and I dont really care about archives, if > something was good I usually save it on my end. > After using both lists serves I have come to the conclusion that I > just like plain vanilla! > Also, for some reason this list feels like family to me, not perfect, > but just family. > Maybe it comes with longevity... Charles, You could not have said it better, especially the family part. -- Cyndy Wendt President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 From Minmandon at aol.com Mon Jul 23 16:26:53 2007 From: Minmandon at aol.com (Minmandon@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 23 16:27:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Plate Maker Needed Message-ID: Kimosetter. I have had it almost one year & still have trouble believing how good the quality is. It is direct to plate. The system cost me $2800. I've estimated with the plate & ribbons it is costing me $2 to output an 11 x 17 plate. We regularly do 10,000 runs. On light coverage the plate will last. We usually need a second plate on a 10,000 run with heavy coverage. Don Carney Minuteman Press Deerfield 954 421-9904 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From sos at olympus.net Mon Jul 23 17:43:07 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Jul 23 17:43:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New Plate Maker Needed References: Message-ID: <010d01c7cd72$755cf2a0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Presstek has not been the greatest at helping us > trouble shoot the problems. Being that we are in Hawaii it is very > difficult (expensive) to get service for our equipment. > > What are some of you currently using or looking at for new DPM equipment? > Does anyone have any experience with the Quicksetter 300e? Heidelberg > has given us great technical support on our QM 46 which is a big plus for > them. ============================= The Hberg Quicksetter is a rebranded Rip-It (now Xanthe) system. I've heard good things about them. No experience. I understand they will only set one width of platematerial. That is if you wind up bringing in a landscape press (like a GTO) then you'll need to buy yet another platesetter for it. We elected to get Purup Escofot (now Mitsbuishi) DPX System. It has two plate cassettes on line and can output two plate sizes, both punched, dried and ready to mount. It was been very reliable for us, zero service calls so far in 2.5 years. I've called tech support two or three times and was able to fix little things myself so far. It does portrait for our QM 46s and landscape for our GTO. I would recommend it. With a Harlequin RIP and an Epson 24" proofing printer it was about $60,000. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From lists at tudorprinters.co.uk Mon Jul 23 18:53:26 2007 From: lists at tudorprinters.co.uk (Gavin Keffert) Date: Mon Jul 23 18:53:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Help from the Brits - 350 gsm silk cover stock? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: John, 350gsm to 400gsm is quite normal for a postcard over here, although we wouldn't get it through our copier either, it would definitely need to be litho. Yes, agencies (and freelance designers) are always trying to be a bit difficult. In fact a real PITA !! Gavin Keffert Tudor Printers Ltd Worthing, West Sussex. UK -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: 23 July 2007 15:40 To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Help from the Brits - 350 gsm silk cover stock? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** A UK advertising agency is specifying a 4x6 4/0 postcard on 350 gsm silk stock. That seems incredibly heavy and beyond our limitations on the color copier which is where this job is destined.... is that a normal weight used in Britain or is this agency just trying to be a bit difficult? John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From rick at jmjprinting.com Mon Jul 23 19:00:13 2007 From: rick at jmjprinting.com (Rick Foster) Date: Mon Jul 23 18:56:46 2007 Subject: **Possible Spam** (5), RE: [PrintOwners] BIG Monitors In-Reply-To: References: <005c01c7cd2c$d862b0b0$5a01a8c0@fileserver> Message-ID: In reference to the message sent by Sonya Hughes, on 7/23/07, at 12:55 PM -0500: > >Ellen, how you do use 2 monitors at one work station? And Why? >S I also am not Ellen, but as for why the advantage to me is being able to put all the pallets on one monitor and work off the other. I can't see ever going back to just one monitor. No more moving a pallet to see what is under it, etc. -- Rick _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Rick B. Foster JMJ Printing Co. LLC - Snohomish, WA mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com http://www.jmjprinting.com 425.334.9716 Your Full Service Print Shop 425.397.9716 Fax We Appreciate Your Business! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From jedwards at printzilla.net Mon Jul 23 19:44:21 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Mon Jul 23 19:47:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printers Outlet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9C6C7A34-28F8-4689-88D8-FC43077D9C1C@printzilla.net> Printers Outlet? Could that be "The Wild Hare"? Jacinto City? Logo looks like a wild hare. FYI, "The Wild Hare" was Jame's late 40s, early 50s Anglia gasser back in the day. He let me scan a bunch of his old photos. If it's the same guy, he did some good work for me years ago. Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas From robin at protypeonline.com Mon Jul 23 19:50:01 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Mon Jul 23 19:50:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] ASI alternatives? Message-ID: We signed up to be an ASI member last Dec. and although we like being able to add their product link to our website, we really are not getting that much value from our membership and are not finding their online info. for members to be great -- we still need to make several phone calls. So, re-thinking the $200/month membership decision. Many of you use other promo item distributor companies...distributor central? others? I DO want to have info. on our site for our customers. Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com Tue Jul 24 08:01:54 2007 From: nancy at theprintingplaceinc.com (Nancy) Date: Tue Jul 24 08:02:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Currency in Gold References: <01c001c7cd60$807208e0$0600a8c0@Nancy> <5e1a84316fc6d558973c9000e8c65ea0@mauiprintworks.com> Message-ID: <003201c7cdea$6dbc8060$0600a8c0@Nancy> Thanks, The Papermill store has it in master sheets, carton only, @$500. Thanks, Nan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maui Print Works" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Currency in Gold > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Nancy > You can but it online at www.thepapermillstore.com > > Bill Marsh Maui Print Works > 70 Central Ave., Wailuku, HI 96793 > (808)242-6634 Fax (808)242-8967 > bill@mauiprintworks.com www. mauiprintworks.com > On Jul 23, 2007, at 9:34 AM, Nancy wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I need to find about 250 sheets, 11x17, Gold Currency in cover stock. >> Does anyone happen to have some on a shelf that they could sell me??? >> >> It is a long story but we printed postcards on 8 1/2 x 11 from Xpedx and >> now we need 11 x 17 for program covers. >> >> Of course Xpedx tell me "It isn't available". >> >> Maybe it is a Mill item. Maybe its full carton, I don't know but I >> doubt that it came off the paper maker machinie at 8 1/2 x 11...somewhere >> there has to be full size sheets. >> >> Xpedx got me into this mess anyway. It is for a group I belong to. They >> were getting all crazy with designs, etc (I do the printing at deeply >> discounted prices) and I didn't want to have to fool with them. They >> looked in the little catalogs of blanks that every office gets and >> decided they couldn't afford the paper so I told the ladies that Arvey >> had some preprinted invitations shells. When they went to Arvey, someone >> at Arvey sold them Currency. Now they want the program covers to match >> and of course....its not available. >> >> Nancy Middleton >> The Printing Place, Inc. >> 5878 Cook Road, Suite F >> Milford, OH 45150 >> nancy@theprintingplaceinc.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From stalprint at charter.net Tue Jul 24 09:16:32 2007 From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings) Date: Tue Jul 24 09:16:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] ASI alternatives? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46A5FBB0.30408@charter.net> Have not done much research, but you might try: http://www.impact-i.com/corporate/HOME/tabid/36/Default.aspx They do have a free search on their website Also http://www.pmdm.com/ http://www.sageworld.com/ http://www.sellpromoproducts.com/how_to.cfm http://www.distributorcentral.com/websites/DistributorCentral/default.cfm Robin Niewold wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We signed up to be an ASI member last Dec. and although we like being > able to add their product link to our website, we really are not > getting that much value from our membership and are not finding their > online info. for members to be great -- we still need to make several > phone calls. So, re-thinking the $200/month membership decision. Many > of you use other promo item distributor companies...distributor > central? others? I DO want to have info. on our site for our customers. > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net Lenoir, NC 28645 From zapit at zapcolor.com Tue Jul 24 09:46:36 2007 From: zapit at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez) Date: Tue Jul 24 09:50:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: ASI Alternative In-Reply-To: <20070724120227.19EF89DC92F@rb.enter.net> References: <20070724120227.19EF89DC92F@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: ASI does have a $300 per year membership as well. Once you have been with them, if you cancelled totally right now, you probably have enough catalogs to last a lifetime. You could be a "member" once every 3 years and be fine. On Jul 24, 2007, at 5:02 AM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > > We signed up to be an ASI member last Dec. and although we like being > able to add their product link to our website, we really are not > getting that much value from our membership and are not finding their > online info. for members to be great -- we still need to make several > phone calls. So, re-thinking the $200/month membership decision. Many > of you use other promo item distributor companies...distributor > central? others? I DO want to have info. on our site for our > customers. > > Robin Niewold Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Tue Jul 24 10:23:41 2007 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Tue Jul 24 10:24:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rush Color Copy Job In-Reply-To: References: <20070724120227.19EF89DC92F@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <01af01c7cdfe$3c1e1460$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> I have a good customer who needs 300 3 h.p. 4" binders containing 700 sheets with tabs numbered from 1 through 17. The sheets are all colored and are 2-sided so that's 1400 impressions per book. That's 300 x 700 = 420,000 color impressions. We would get this Thursday morning and deliver it Friday night. In other words, print 420,000 impressions, 3 h.p., insert and deliver. Any suggestions? Anyone in the Toronto area who could help with this? I can see if I can get more time like Monday morning but they usually want things when they want them. Gord Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc 2105 Midland Ave Unit 14 Scarborough, ON M1P 3E3 Ph: 416 298 6996 Fax: 416 298 2771 www.xoxocyberprint.com gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com From cpurvine1 at cox.net Tue Jul 24 10:24:50 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Tue Jul 24 10:25:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] This was on the Graphic Arts Monthly newsletter about EFI Message-ID: <005101c7cdfe$676c8160$0300a8c0@corapurvine> EFI adds new PrintMessenger drivers in its Digital StoreFront 3.0 to create a File-Print link to a printer's own Web-to-print service within Adobe Reader and Acrobat, and in Mac-and Windows-based applications. It allows removal of the controversial FedEx Kinko's button. Wonder how much this will cost Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From craig at newhavenprint.com Tue Jul 24 10:36:18 2007 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Tue Jul 24 10:36:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rush Color Copy Job In-Reply-To: <01af01c7cdfe$3c1e1460$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> Message-ID: <20070724143602.0EEE79DD5CB@rb.enter.net> WOW, that would take 3 or 4 iGen's running together to get that job done. It will be tough if not impossible to find that much horsepower in such a short time. I'm thinking they'll have to accept partials for Friday night. Good luck. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Gordon Watt > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 10:24 AM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: [PrintOwners] Rush Color Copy Job > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a good customer who needs 300 3 h.p. 4" binders > containing 700 sheets with tabs numbered from 1 through 17. > The sheets are all colored and are 2-sided so that's 1400 > impressions per book. That's 300 x 700 = 420,000 color > impressions. We would get this Thursday morning and deliver > it Friday night. > > In other words, print 420,000 impressions, 3 h.p., insert and deliver. > > Any suggestions? Anyone in the Toronto area who could help with this? > > I can see if I can get more time like Monday morning but they > usually want things when they want them. > > Gord Watt > Xoxo Cyberprint Inc > 2105 Midland Ave Unit 14 > Scarborough, ON M1P 3E3 > Ph: 416 298 6996 > Fax: 416 298 2771 > www.xoxocyberprint.com > gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1644 (20060704) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Tue Jul 24 10:42:33 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Tue Jul 24 10:45:07 2007 Subject: **Possible Spam** (5), RE: [PrintOwners] BIG Monitors In-Reply-To: <20070724120226.5C3C69DC92B@rb.enter.net> References: <20070724120226.5C3C69DC92B@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7a80b1761a85a0f2183fc1e217866ac3@sheergraphics.com> It's not Friday, but if I tried to "put all the pallets on one monitor", then we'd need a monitor at least 48" x 36"! (We ARE in the communication business, not the shipping business - aren't we?) We like the 23"s (with 17"s in tandem), shortly to be augmented with a 30". However, because one monitor is easier to place on a desk than two, and the cursor does not get misplaced or disappear off one side of one screen, we are looking forward to a 30" screen. >> Ellen, how you do use 2 monitors at one work station? And Why? >> S > > I also am not Ellen, but as for why the advantage to me is being able > to put all the pallets on one monitor and work off the other. I can't > see ever going back to just one monitor. No more moving a pallet to > see what is under it, etc. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From dcarlile at printfresno.com Tue Jul 24 10:51:03 2007 From: dcarlile at printfresno.com (Doug Carlile) Date: Tue Jul 24 10:51:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wide Image Inkjets for Proofing Message-ID: <20070724145118.8D8669DD715@rb.enter.net> We have been using an Epson 7400 for proofing and it has developed a problem that appears to be uneconomical to repair. If anyone has replaced an Epson 7400 which is used for process proofs and also for posters, I would like to know what they selected and if they are getting comparable results. Thanks, Doug Carlile President Professional Print & Mail, Inc. 2818 E. Hamilton Ave. Fresno, CA 93721 800/654-7468 559/237-7468 fax: 559/237-4929 email: dcarlile@printfresno.com From kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com Tue Jul 24 11:57:13 2007 From: kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com (Kirk Squiers) Date: Tue Jul 24 11:57:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] he quit. Message-ID: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111CFDD@fpserver.FP.local> Ahh State Prison. Where I search for all my new press operators:) Kirk K. Squiers Central Michigan Graphics 1200 E. Oakland Lansing, Michigan 48906 www.centralmichigangraphics.com 517-230-8600 kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ron Taggart Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 3:41 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] he quit. ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** As soon as someone who is quitting indicates they will not give us a termination letter, we call a witness into the room and repeat in front of them: "It is our understanding that you are quitting, is that correct? (YES). And you are also indicating that you refuse to sign a statement indicating that you are quitting, is that correct, (YES)." Then we have both the witness and myself sign a statement indicating what we just heard. Count on him applying for unemployment, and if you have the above statement, at least you have a fighting chance. Legally, I don't believe you can withhold a check for any time worked. But hanging on to the last check will at least get them back in to at least have the conversation described above. We have buried in our handbook a clause that says ex-employees are not permitted onto the property. We also have a small no trespassing sign. We were advised to do this by the police so that we would have immediate cause to have the police come out if a bad actor appeared and we needed them out of there fast. Of course, we have ex-employees visit all the time, many have returned to work here, but the above is in case a bad actor surfaces. I did fire a guy once who physically threatened me, and he had the friends and contacts to do it. We found out later he had done time in an out of state prison. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Minmandon@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 1:47 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] he quit. ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 7/18/2007 1:07:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, russ@mobile-print.com writes: We refuse to release the final paycheck unless the (ex) employee signs a termination form. There's a space for him/her to write down their comments and/or objections, so there's really no reason NOT to sign. I have a friend that is a senior VP in human Resources at Federated (Macy's). She has told me that when employees refuse to sign they are asked to write down that they are refusing to sign termination papers. She said that it is amazing how many people write that they refuse to sign. Might be something to try. Don Carney Minuteman Press Deerfield 954 421-9904 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kk1127 at mindspring.com Tue Jul 24 12:16:37 2007 From: kk1127 at mindspring.com (John Hughes) Date: Tue Jul 24 12:16:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] In Design Help Message-ID: <008a01c7ce0e$03985f50$6601a8c0@JOHNSNOTEBOOK> Customer has sent an InDesign document with 43 fonts. Also sent the fonts. How do I tell InDesign to find the fonts in the folder he sent. (I'd ask Adobe support but they'd freak out that he sent me the fonts .) TIA John Hughes Kwik Kopy Printing Marietta, GA kk1127@mindspring.com From craig at newhavenprint.com Tue Jul 24 12:24:34 2007 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Tue Jul 24 12:24:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] In Design Help In-Reply-To: <008a01c7ce0e$03985f50$6601a8c0@JOHNSNOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <20070724162414.862199DE0E5@rb.enter.net> In the folder that holds your InDesign application is a folder called "Fonts". Make a shortcut of this folder and put it on your desktop. Name it "InDesign Temp Fonts" or whatever you like. All you have to do then is to drag a copy of the fonts into that folder. Then open InDesign and the fonts will automatically be activated. You can always trash the fonts from this folder later. OR, use a font management tool like Suitcase. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Hughes > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:17 PM > To: printowners > Subject: [PrintOwners] In Design Help > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Customer has sent an InDesign document with 43 fonts. > > Also sent the fonts. > > How do I tell InDesign to find the fonts in the folder he sent. > > (I'd ask Adobe support but they'd freak out that he sent me > the fonts .) > > TIA > > John Hughes > Kwik Kopy Printing Marietta, GA > kk1127@mindspring.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From steve at toledoprinter.com Tue Jul 24 12:28:08 2007 From: steve at toledoprinter.com (West Printing) Date: Tue Jul 24 12:28:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] All I know I learned at Google Message-ID: <00fa01c7ce0f$9f561a80$1901a8c0@SuperiorImpressions.local> Printing presses are more popular than gynecologists http://www.google.com/trends?q=printing+press%2C+gynecologist Digital printing still has the edge on antique tractors http://www.google.com/trends?q=digital+printing%2C+antique+tractors HIV is starting to kick Adobe Acrobat's butt http://www.google.com/trends?q=Adobe+Acrobat%2C+HIV Steve Robison West Printing Co. 327 12th Street, Toledo, OH 43604 Ph. 419.246.0857, steve@toledoprinter.com **************************************** Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider From John at mpcny.com Tue Jul 24 12:34:23 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Tue Jul 24 12:34:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP "Still Only One Solution Acceptable " Message-ID: <009201c7ce10$7e616860$7b243920$@com> Coalition to Adobe regarding FedEx Kinko's Agreement: Still Only One Solution Acceptable Paramus, NJ - 7/24/2007 - In a July 20, 2007, letter to Adobe Systems, Inc. CEO Bruce Chizen, Joseph P. Truncale, president and chief executive officer of NAPL (www.napl.org), the trade association for excellence in graphic communications management, and Steve Johnson, president and chief executive officer of the National Association of Quick Printers (NAQP), stated that their position regarding the Adobe/FedEx Kinko?s agreement remains as follows: Adobe should extricate itself from the agreement and remove the FedEx Kinko?s logo and embedded link from Adobe software in a timely manner. The letter followed a July 17, 2007, Print Advisory Forum held in San Francisco, CA, and called by Adobe to explore the issue. NAPL and NAQP sent the letter on behalf of NAPL Network members and of the Graphic Communications Coalition for Open Competition. In addition to NAPL and NAQP, Coalition participants as of July 20 when the letter was mailed (additional firms have joined since) were Kevin Cushing, chief executive officer, AlphaGraphics, Inc.; Andrew Hrywnak, president, Print Three Franchising Corp.; Michael Jutt, executive vice president and director of Training, Minuteman Press International, Inc.; Richard Lowe, president, Sir Speedy; Carl Gerhardt, president and chief executive officer, Allegra Network; Bob Metzger, vice chairman, International Center for Entrepreneurial Development (ICED); Catherine Monson, president, PIP; and Steve Morris, chief executive officer, Signal Graphics (SAMPA Corp). NAQP?s Steve Johnson and several members of the Graphic Communications Coalition for Open Competition participated by invitation from Adobe in the company?s July 17, 2007, Print Advisory Forum, which Adobe had called to ?facilitate a dialog.? At that Print Advisory Forum, Adobe indicated it would communicate a solution to the situation in two weeks. In their July 20, 2007, letter, NAPL?s Truncale and NAQP?s Johnson stated that ?during that period, we will continue to examine any and all options open to us?legal and otherwise?should Adobe?s solution fall short of our expectations.? The Graphic Communications Coalition for Open Competition was formed in June 2007 in response to an announcement that month by Adobe Systems of its agreement with FedEx Kinko?s in which the latest versions of Adobe? Reader and Adobe Acrobat? software feature an embedded connection to FedEx Kinko?s PrintOnline application. A June 15 letter to Adobe?s Chizen from Truncale and Johnson was a prompt response to the announced agreement and was followed by a flurry of protests from companies and organizations throughout the graphic communications industry. In their June letter, Truncale and Johnson expressed their disappointment in the agreement, which they said provides ?an unfair competitive advantage to FedEx Kinko?s. . .at the expense of the many other printers?including many of our members?who have played such a pivotal role in establishing Adobe as the de facto standard among many end users for reading documents and printing file submission.? These expressions of concern to Adobe reflect the commitment of NAPL and its partners in The NAPL Network?NAQP and the Research and Engineering Council of NAPL?to speak out on issues affecting their members. About NAPL: Chartered in 1933, NAPL (www.napl.org) is a not-for-profit trade association representing companies in the $100 billion + graphic communications industry and dedicated to excellence in graphic communications management. NAPL's comprehensive slate of business-building solutions provides company leaders with the strategies, insights, and guidance they can use to make informed business decisions, minimize risk, anticipate change, and profitably grow their business. For more information on membership in The NAPL Network, which includes NAPL, the R&E Council of NAPL, and the National Association for Quick Printers (NAQP), visit www.napl.org or call (800) 642-6275, Option 5. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Additional information can be found at the organization web site www.napl.org. NAPL, and the NAPL logo, are registered trademarks of NAPL. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. National Association for Printing Leadership 75 West Century Road Paramus, NJ, 07652-1408 Phone: (201) 634-9600 Fax: (201) 986-2976 For more information, contact: cvalentino@napl.org www.mpcny.com/printblogger John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.16/914 - Release Date: 7/23/2007 7:45 PM From pressexpress at bfm.org Tue Jul 24 12:36:39 2007 From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Tue Jul 24 12:37:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] In Design Help In-Reply-To: <008a01c7ce0e$03985f50$6601a8c0@JOHNSNOTEBOOK> References: <008a01c7ce0e$03985f50$6601a8c0@JOHNSNOTEBOOK> Message-ID: If I am not mistaken, if you have a font utility such as "Font Agent Pro" (which is what we use on our macs), it comes with a plug in for inDesign and Quark for auto font activation, meaning, the fonts will self install when the document is opened. You can "turn on/off" fonts on the fly, sort by family, find corrupt fonts, etc. Great little utility. It is a must for anyone juggling hundreds or even thousands of fonts. Highly recommend it. But to answer your question, I dunno, been using Font Agent so long, it is a way of life. I guess, they need to be placed in your font folder, then restart inDesign. G On Jul 24, 2007, at 11:16 AM, John Hughes wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Customer has sent an InDesign document with 43 fonts. > > Also sent the fonts. > > How do I tell InDesign to find the fonts in the folder he sent. > > (I'd ask Adobe support but they'd freak out that he sent me the > fonts .) > > TIA > > John Hughes > Kwik Kopy Printing Marietta, GA > kk1127@mindspring.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From sos at olympus.net Tue Jul 24 12:39:30 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Jul 24 12:39:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] he quit. References: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111CFDD@fpserver.FP.local> Message-ID: <005801c7ce11$35e7d460$0300a8c0@DANIEL> >Ahh State Prison. Where I search for all my new press operators:) =============== My 4 color pressman quit, went to work for another shop as their production manager. Off the press. I've talked with several shop owners lately, who just can't find a decent pressman and I remember it being a frequent topic at the last NAQP conference. But what are we going to do with our presses when we can't find pressmen to run them any more? Colleges that used to teach printing, now teach graphic design, maybe general print management. But not press operating. I think finding good and reliable press operators is a much bigger problem than Adobe adding a Kinkos link in Acrobat. I'm disappointed in Adobe, but I'm really worried about how I'm going to survive without pressmen. One way or another our customers get their files to us. I'm not really worried about that or my ability to sell or promote the business. But getting the work printed is another matter. For a temporary solution, I can run the 4 color GTO myself, but it is so time consuming and difficult, I go home exhausted and meanwhile all my other work piles up. It can't go on indefinitely. How worried are others about this lack of pressmen? Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From mail at myprinter.biz Tue Jul 24 12:40:09 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Tue Jul 24 12:40:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] In Design Help In-Reply-To: <008a01c7ce0e$03985f50$6601a8c0@JOHNSNOTEBOOK> Message-ID: John - WARN YOUR CUSTOMER IMMEDIATELY THAT ADOBE'S CEO HAS ADMITTED MAKING ERRORS IN RECENT RELEASES OF ITS SOFTWARE AND ADVISE THEM TO USE SOME OTHER APPLICATION FROM NOW ON. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of John Hughes Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:17 PM To: printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] In Design Help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Customer has sent an InDesign document with 43 fonts. Also sent the fonts. How do I tell InDesign to find the fonts in the folder he sent. (I'd ask Adobe support but they'd freak out that he sent me the fonts .) TIA John Hughes Kwik Kopy Printing Marietta, GA kk1127@mindspring.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bherion at bucksdigital.com Tue Jul 24 12:33:45 2007 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Tue Jul 24 12:43:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Rush Color Copy Job In-Reply-To: <20070724160003.43B4F9DDEE4@rb.enter.net> References: <20070724160003.43B4F9DDEE4@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070724122802.06a22078@bucksdigital.com> At 12:00 PM 7/24/2007, you wrote: >I have a good customer who needs 300 3 h.p. 4" binders containing 700 sheets >with tabs numbered from 1 through 17. The sheets are all colored and are >2-sided so that's 1400 impressions per book. That's 300 x 700 = 420,000 >color impressions. We would get this Thursday morning and deliver it Friday >night. I'm used to rush jobs, but if that was in my shop with 2 iGens it would take 43.75 hours to print and someone would have to be waiting at the end with a check for about $100,000. Good luck - do that job and you deserve a weekend off! Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From sos at olympus.net Tue Jul 24 12:44:07 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Jul 24 12:45:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] In Design Help References: <008a01c7ce0e$03985f50$6601a8c0@JOHNSNOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <005d01c7ce11$da6c6050$0300a8c0@DANIEL> How do I tell InDesign to find the fonts in the folder he sent. ================ You don't. You have to install the fonts. Hopefully using Suitcase or another font management program which would allow you to install them as a set that you can then activate before opening the file. And deactivate, so as not to clog up your system with a lot of extra fonts, afterward. If you don't have a font management program, you'll just have to install them the usual way, Control panel, Fonts, add fonts. If you're on a Mac, good luck. I don't remember how to install fonts on a Mac. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From jedwards at printzilla.net Tue Jul 24 12:54:15 2007 From: jedwards at printzilla.net (Jack Edwards) Date: Tue Jul 24 12:57:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] In Design Help In-Reply-To: <005d01c7ce11$da6c6050$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <008a01c7ce0e$03985f50$6601a8c0@JOHNSNOTEBOOK> <005d01c7ce11$da6c6050$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <4163C02A-78B9-4C97-AAFA-9154594104E7@printzilla.net> On Jul 24, 2007, at 11:44 AM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > I don't remember how to install fonts on a Mac. > You use Font/DA Mover, unless of course you have Master Juggler. Jack Edwards Oak Ridge North, Texas From mail at myprinter.biz Tue Jul 24 13:01:53 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Tue Jul 24 13:01:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP "Still Only One Solution Acceptable " In-Reply-To: <009201c7ce10$7e616860$7b243920$@com> Message-ID: John - Thanks for the excellent info. When I've written before about any of us proposing "solutions" that don't solve the problem, and either Adobe or any of us offering "compromises" that don't solve it, either, this is exactly what I was talking about. The problem is that Adobe has embedded advertisements for, and links to, Kinko's in its software, and the only solution to that problem is the removal of those links. I feel really bad for (those money-grubbing bastards at) Adobe, but they got themselves into this mess (through a combination of greed and nearly complete lack of foresight), and they need to either get themselves back out of it or expect to lose business and get tons of really bad press while doing so. I'm fully prepared to use Corel, Quark, Publisher, Word, black magic and/or anything else that's available, instead of supporting a firm that's advertising my competition and making it easy for my customers and prospects to send their work to somebody other than me. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of John Henry Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:34 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP "Still Only One Solution Acceptable " Importance: High ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Coalition to Adobe regarding FedEx Kinko's Agreement: Still Only One Solution Acceptable Paramus, NJ - 7/24/2007 - In a July 20, 2007, letter to Adobe Systems, Inc. CEO Bruce Chizen, Joseph P. Truncale, president and chief executive officer of NAPL (www.napl.org), the trade association for excellence in graphic communications management, and Steve Johnson, president and chief executive officer of the National Association of Quick Printers (NAQP), stated that their position regarding the Adobe/FedEx Kinko?s agreement remains as follows: Adobe should extricate itself from the agreement and remove the FedEx Kinko?s logo and embedded link from Adobe software in a timely manner. The letter followed a July 17, 2007, Print Advisory Forum held in San Francisco, CA, and called by Adobe to explore the issue. NAPL and NAQP sent the letter on behalf of NAPL Network members and of the Graphic Communications Coalition for Open Competition. In addition to NAPL and NAQP, Coalition participants as of July 20 when the letter was mailed (additional firms have joined since) were Kevin Cushing, chief executive officer, AlphaGraphics, Inc.; Andrew Hrywnak, president, Print Three Franchising Corp.; Michael Jutt, executive vice president and director of Training, Minuteman Press International, Inc.; Richard Lowe, president, Sir Speedy; Carl Gerhardt, president and chief executive officer, Allegra Network; Bob Metzger, vice chairman, International Center for Entrepreneurial Development (ICED); Catherine Monson, president, PIP; and Steve Morris, chief executive officer, Signal Graphics (SAMPA Corp). NAQP?s Steve Johnson and several members of the Graphic Communications Coalition for Open Competition participated by invitation from Adobe in the company?s July 17, 2007, Print Advisory Forum, which Adobe had called to ?facilitate a dialog.? At that Print Advisory Forum, Adobe indicated it would communicate a solution to the situation in two weeks. In their July 20, 2007, letter, NAPL?s Truncale and NAQP?s Johnson stated that ?during that period, we will continue to examine any and all options open to us?legal and otherwise?should Adobe?s solution fall short of our expectations.? The Graphic Communications Coalition for Open Competition was formed in June 2007 in response to an announcement that month by Adobe Systems of its agreement with FedEx Kinko?s in which the latest versions of Adobe? Reader and Adobe Acrobat? software feature an embedded connection to FedEx Kinko?s PrintOnline application. A June 15 letter to Adobe?s Chizen from Truncale and Johnson was a prompt response to the announced agreement and was followed by a flurry of protests from companies and organizations throughout the graphic communications industry. In their June letter, Truncale and Johnson expressed their disappointment in the agreement, which they said provides ?an unfair competitive advantage to FedEx Kinko?s. . .at the expense of the many other printers?including many of our members?who have played such a pivotal role in establishing Adobe as the de facto standard among many end users for reading documents and printing file submission.? These expressions of concern to Adobe reflect the commitment of NAPL and its partners in The NAPL Network?NAQP and the Research and Engineering Council of NAPL?to speak out on issues affecting their members. About NAPL: Chartered in 1933, NAPL (www.napl.org) is a not-for-profit trade association representing companies in the $100 billion + graphic communications industry and dedicated to excellence in graphic communications management. NAPL's comprehensive slate of business-building solutions provides company leaders with the strategies, insights, and guidance they can use to make informed business decisions, minimize risk, anticipate change, and profitably grow their business. For more information on membership in The NAPL Network, which includes NAPL, the R&E Council of NAPL, and the National Association for Quick Printers (NAQP), visit www.napl.org or call (800) 642-6275, Option 5. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Additional information can be found at the organization web site www.napl.org. NAPL, and the NAPL logo, are registered trademarks of NAPL. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. National Association for Printing Leadership 75 West Century Road Paramus, NJ, 07652-1408 Phone: (201) 634-9600 Fax: (201) 986-2976 For more information, contact: cvalentino@napl.org www.mpcny.com/printblogger John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.16/914 - Release Date: 7/23/2007 7:45 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From John at mpcny.com Tue Jul 24 13:18:09 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Tue Jul 24 13:17:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lack of pressman Message-ID: <000f01c7ce16$9c4b4750$d4e1d5f0$@com> Dan your right there is less and less. One of the better 4 color pressman I had, just took a job as warehouse manager. Better pay and less hard work. No schools train press workers anymore. The average age is much higher for all our workers. Pay is up but other skill jobs still pay better. I think we need to talk to with Mexico about starting training programs. If donate some used presses and they can do the training, when they are ready just pick them up at edge of the road... John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.16/914 - Release Date: 7/23/2007 7:45 PM From kk1127 at mindspring.com Tue Jul 24 13:22:08 2007 From: kk1127 at mindspring.com (John Hughes) Date: Tue Jul 24 13:22:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] In Design Help References: <20070724162414.862199DE0E5@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <00bb01c7ce17$2bf4ed70$6601a8c0@JOHNSNOTEBOOK> Thanks Craig, that did it. (Filling in for the graphics person today). John Hughes Kwik Kopy Printing Marietta, GA kk1127@mindspring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Dellinger" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:24 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] In Design Help > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > In the folder that holds your InDesign application is a folder > called > "Fonts". Make a shortcut of this folder and put it on your desktop. > Name it > "InDesign Temp Fonts" or whatever you like. All you have to do then > is to > drag a copy of the fonts into that folder. Then open InDesign and > the fonts > will automatically be activated. You can always trash the fonts from > this > folder later. OR, use a font management tool like Suitcase. > > Craig Dellinger > New Haven Print & Copy > 7531 US 930 East > Fort Wayne, IN 46803 > 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 > www.newhavenprint.com > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Hughes >> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:17 PM >> To: printowners >> Subject: [PrintOwners] In Design Help >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Customer has sent an InDesign document with 43 fonts. >> >> Also sent the fonts. >> >> How do I tell InDesign to find the fonts in the folder he sent. >> >> (I'd ask Adobe support but they'd freak out that he sent me >> the fonts .) >> >> TIA >> >> John Hughes >> Kwik Kopy Printing Marietta, GA >> kk1127@mindspring.com >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From joe at calagaz.com Tue Jul 24 13:26:20 2007 From: joe at calagaz.com (Joe Calagaz) Date: Tue Jul 24 13:26:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lack of Trained Pressmen Message-ID: I think that some vendor in the industry HAS to put together some realistic training school so that we don't run out of pressmen. I have been looking and I have not found a school. (yet) I know that it is not easy training pressman, but what are our choices (and no I have the opinion that digital is not a cost effective solution for anything longer than 1,000....yet) Joe Calagaz Calagaz Printing Mobile, AL 36606 251-478-0487 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 11:40 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] he quit. ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >Ahh State Prison. Where I search for all my new press operators:) =============== My 4 color pressman quit, went to work for another shop as their production manager. Off the press. I've talked with several shop owners lately, who just can't find a decent pressman and I remember it being a frequent topic at the last NAQP conference. But what are we going to do with our presses when we can't find pressmen to run them any more? Colleges that used to teach printing, now teach graphic design, maybe general print management. But not press operating. I think finding good and reliable press operators is a much bigger problem than Adobe adding a Kinkos link in Acrobat. I'm disappointed in Adobe, but I'm really worried about how I'm going to survive without pressmen. One way or another our customers get their files to us. I'm not really worried about that or my ability to sell or promote the business. But getting the work printed is another matter. For a temporary solution, I can run the 4 color GTO myself, but it is so time consuming and difficult, I go home exhausted and meanwhile all my other work piles up. It can't go on indefinitely. How worried are others about this lack of pressmen? Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From joe at calagaz.com Tue Jul 24 13:28:09 2007 From: joe at calagaz.com (Joe Calagaz) Date: Tue Jul 24 13:28:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] In Design Help (font management tool) Message-ID: Can anyone recommend a font management tool for PC's Joe Calagaz Calagaz Printing Mobile, AL 36606 251-478-0487 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Hughes Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:22 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] In Design Help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Thanks Craig, that did it. (Filling in for the graphics person today). John Hughes Kwik Kopy Printing Marietta, GA kk1127@mindspring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Dellinger" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:24 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] In Design Help > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > In the folder that holds your InDesign application is a folder > called > "Fonts". Make a shortcut of this folder and put it on your desktop. > Name it > "InDesign Temp Fonts" or whatever you like. All you have to do then > is to > drag a copy of the fonts into that folder. Then open InDesign and > the fonts > will automatically be activated. You can always trash the fonts from > this > folder later. OR, use a font management tool like Suitcase. > > Craig Dellinger > New Haven Print & Copy > 7531 US 930 East > Fort Wayne, IN 46803 > 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 > www.newhavenprint.com > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Hughes >> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:17 PM >> To: printowners >> Subject: [PrintOwners] In Design Help >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Customer has sent an InDesign document with 43 fonts. >> >> Also sent the fonts. >> >> How do I tell InDesign to find the fonts in the folder he sent. >> >> (I'd ask Adobe support but they'd freak out that he sent me >> the fonts .) >> >> TIA >> >> John Hughes >> Kwik Kopy Printing Marietta, GA >> kk1127@mindspring.com >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From pressexpress at bfm.org Tue Jul 24 13:38:44 2007 From: pressexpress at bfm.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Tue Jul 24 13:39:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] he quit. In-Reply-To: <005801c7ce11$35e7d460$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111CFDD@fpserver.FP.local> <005801c7ce11$35e7d460$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <60A8FA34-7E3C-4304-B8A9-F13285C56C78@bfm.org> I am suffering from a general lack of qualified candidates period! G. On Jul 24, 2007, at 11:39 AM, Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> Ahh State Prison. Where I search for all my new press operators:) > =============== > > My 4 color pressman quit, went to work for another shop as their > production manager. Off the press. I've talked with several shop > owners lately, who just can't find a decent pressman and I remember > it being a frequent topic at the last NAQP conference. > But what are we going to do with our presses when we can't find > pressmen to run them any more? > > Colleges that used to teach printing, now teach graphic design, > maybe general print management. But not press operating. > > I think finding good and reliable press operators is a much bigger > problem than Adobe adding a Kinkos link in Acrobat. I'm > disappointed in Adobe, but I'm really worried about how I'm going > to survive without pressmen. One way or another our customers get > their files to us. I'm not really worried about that or my ability > to sell or promote the business. But getting the work printed is > another matter. > For a temporary solution, I can run the 4 color GTO myself, but it > is so time consuming and difficult, I go home exhausted and > meanwhile all my other work piles up. It can't go on indefinitely. > How worried are others about this lack of pressmen? > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Jul 24 13:41:29 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Jul 24 13:41:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lack of Trained Pressmen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0707241041j51dc8e8fxd10d8a94a74c5f66@mail.gmail.com> On 7/24/07, Joe Calagaz wrote: > > I have the > opinion that digital is not a cost effective solution for anything > longer than 1,000....yet) Your cut-off point is on the low side these days, Joe. And the dearth of qualified press operators is/will be one of the catalysts pushing it ever higher. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From craig at newhavenprint.com Tue Jul 24 13:52:43 2007 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Tue Jul 24 13:52:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lack of Trained Pressmen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070724175226.780EB9DEAF8@rb.enter.net> > I think that some vendor in the industry HAS to put together > some realistic training school so that we don't run out of > pressmen. I have been looking and I have not found a school. > (yet) I know that it is not easy training pressman, but what > are our choices (and no I have the opinion that digital is > not a cost effective solution for anything longer than 1,000....yet) > Joe Calagaz I think between digital and highly automated presses, you won't see the "craftsmen" of yester-year around much longer. It's easier to run our 5/color press with a coater than it was to run red ink on an Itek 960 twenty-five years ago. It's going to cost more and more to stay competitive in this business. The line where digital is cost effective IS getting higher and higher. I'd say in the 2500 range now if not higher. It's just SO easy and quick to run things digitally. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From joe at calagaz.com Tue Jul 24 14:00:44 2007 From: joe at calagaz.com (Joe Calagaz) Date: Tue Jul 24 14:00:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lack of Trained Pressmen Message-ID: I agree it is easier to run things digitally, but when you start looking at variable costs (ie click vs plates) it is hard to justify running digitally. (in my opinion) I know that the operator is the biggest difference but I still think that it all comes down to run length and turnaround time. I try to look at most mid range jobs both ways and offer both to my customers and let them choose. Joe Calagaz Calagaz Printing Mobile, AL 36606 251-478-0487 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Craig Dellinger Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:53 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Lack of Trained Pressmen ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > I think that some vendor in the industry HAS to put together > some realistic training school so that we don't run out of > pressmen. I have been looking and I have not found a school. > (yet) I know that it is not easy training pressman, but what > are our choices (and no I have the opinion that digital is > not a cost effective solution for anything longer than 1,000....yet) > Joe Calagaz I think between digital and highly automated presses, you won't see the "craftsmen" of yester-year around much longer. It's easier to run our 5/color press with a coater than it was to run red ink on an Itek 960 twenty-five years ago. It's going to cost more and more to stay competitive in this business. The line where digital is cost effective IS getting higher and higher. I'd say in the 2500 range now if not higher. It's just SO easy and quick to run things digitally. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mail at myprinter.biz Tue Jul 24 14:10:30 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Tue Jul 24 14:10:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lack of Trained Pressmen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Joe - We use Printer's Plan and have a standing rule that "We NEVER plate anything until we examine costs." That means that we model the job for both press and copier, then chose the less costly (i.e., more profitable) device. We don't have to guess or use "rules of thumb," and right now, we're running 3,000 sheets of 11 x 17" 3-part reverse through one of our copiers, because that makes us the most money. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Joe Calagaz Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:26 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Lack of Trained Pressmen ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I think that some vendor in the industry HAS to put together some realistic training school so that we don't run out of pressmen. I have been looking and I have not found a school. (yet) I know that it is not easy training pressman, but what are our choices (and no I have the opinion that digital is not a cost effective solution for anything longer than 1,000....yet) Joe Calagaz Calagaz Printing Mobile, AL 36606 251-478-0487 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 11:40 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] he quit. ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >Ahh State Prison. Where I search for all my new press operators:) =============== My 4 color pressman quit, went to work for another shop as their production manager. Off the press. I've talked with several shop owners lately, who just can't find a decent pressman and I remember it being a frequent topic at the last NAQP conference. But what are we going to do with our presses when we can't find pressmen to run them any more? Colleges that used to teach printing, now teach graphic design, maybe general print management. But not press operating. I think finding good and reliable press operators is a much bigger problem than Adobe adding a Kinkos link in Acrobat. I'm disappointed in Adobe, but I'm really worried about how I'm going to survive without pressmen. One way or another our customers get their files to us. I'm not really worried about that or my ability to sell or promote the business. But getting the work printed is another matter. For a temporary solution, I can run the 4 color GTO myself, but it is so time consuming and difficult, I go home exhausted and meanwhile all my other work piles up. It can't go on indefinitely. How worried are others about this lack of pressmen? Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Jul 24 14:22:49 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 24 14:23:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lack of Trained Pressmen Message-ID: In a message dated 7/24/2007 1:28:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, joe@calagaz.com writes: I know that it is not easy training pressman, but what are our choices (and no I have the opinion that digital is not a cost effective solution for anything longer than 1,000....yet) How can you say it isn't cost effective? With meter clicks in the $0.055 cent range (and lower) per 11x17 or 12x18, that means your direct out of pocket charges for 2,000 8.5 x 11(1/0) cost $55 and 2,000 4/4 8.5x11 will cost $110. With that agreed to, I think those costs are still below what you will find as compared to four washups and four plates, especially when you consider that the former (digital copies) require minimal if any dedicated labor. Yes, you should charge for both direct and indirect labor when developing prices, but the facts are that no dedicated labor is required for the digital copier, just occasional monitoring of quality. That cannot be said of the same or similar type job run on an offset press where you have someone running and monitoring that job during the entire time it is run and it still ends up getting backed up upside down! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From Susan at cdandp.net Tue Jul 24 14:27:08 2007 From: Susan at cdandp.net (Susan Compton) Date: Tue Jul 24 14:26:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lack of Trained Pressmen References: Message-ID: <08ab01c7ce20$3eb78b80$6702a8c0@SUSAN> I'd love to run everything digital, but what about envelopes? Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Street Lexington, Virginia 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Lack of Trained Pressmen > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > In a message dated 7/24/2007 1:28:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > joe@calagaz.com writes: > > I know that it is not > easy training pressman, but what are our choices (and no I have the > opinion that digital is not a cost effective solution for anything > longer than 1,000....yet) > > > How can you say it isn't cost effective? With meter clicks in the $0.055 > cent range (and lower) per 11x17 or 12x18, that means your direct out of pocket > charges for 2,000 8.5 x 11(1/0) cost $55 and 2,000 4/4 8.5x11 will cost $110. > > With that agreed to, I think those costs are still below what you will find > as compared to four washups and four plates, especially when you consider that > the former (digital copies) require minimal if any dedicated labor. Yes, you > should charge for both direct and indirect labor when developing prices, but > the facts are that no dedicated labor is required for the digital copier, > just occasional monitoring of quality. That cannot be said of the same or > similar type job run on an offset press where you have someone running and > monitoring that job during the entire time it is run and it still ends up getting > backed up upside down! > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 1916 (20061212) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > From John at mpcny.com Tue Jul 24 15:01:25 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Tue Jul 24 15:01:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Image Spammers Utilize PDF Message-ID: <002001c7ce25$0a065f10$1e131d30$@com> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,2160212,00.asp?kc=PZPDFEMNL072407EOAD I wonder how Adobe feels about this. I know I am getting 4-5 a day, this type of stuff makes the Kinko's type customer very suspicious of PDF. Maybe not a bad thing the way things are going. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.16/914 - Release Date: 7/23/2007 7:45 PM From kellycrom at gmail.com Tue Jul 24 15:03:46 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Tue Jul 24 15:03:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lack of Trained Pressmen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009d01c7ce25$5e002c90$6d01a8c0@KELLY> When our local PIA chapter(Printing Industry of MN) saw that there too was getting to be a shortage of well-educated new printing employees, they(PIM) together with a few of the larger commercial shops in the area, helped out a local tech college (www.dunwoody.edu) with their Printing progam. Through donations from printers, suppliers, and manufacturers, the program got the boost it needed. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Joe Calagaz > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:26 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] Lack of Trained Pressmen > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I think that some vendor in the industry HAS to put together some > realistic training school so that we don't run out of > pressmen. I have > been looking and I have not found a school. (yet) I know > that it is not > easy training pressman, but what are our choices (and no I have the > opinion that digital is not a cost effective solution for anything > longer than 1,000....yet) > > Joe Calagaz > Calagaz Printing > Mobile, AL 36606 > 251-478-0487 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 11:40 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] he quit. > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >Ahh State Prison. Where I search for all my new press operators:) > =============== > > My 4 color pressman quit, went to work for another shop as their > production > manager. Off the press. I've talked with several shop owners lately, > who > just can't find a decent pressman and I remember it being a frequent > topic > at the last NAQP conference. > But what are we going to do with our presses when we can't > find pressmen > to > run them any more? > > Colleges that used to teach printing, now teach graphic design, maybe > general print management. But not press operating. > > I think finding good and reliable press operators is a much bigger > problem > than Adobe adding a Kinkos link in Acrobat. I'm disappointed > in Adobe, > but > I'm really worried about how I'm going to survive without > pressmen. One > way > or another our customers get their files to us. I'm not > really worried > about that or my ability to sell or promote the business. But getting > the > work printed is another matter. > For a temporary solution, I can run the 4 color GTO myself, > but it is so > > time consuming and difficult, I go home exhausted and meanwhile all my > other > work piles up. It can't go on indefinitely. > How worried are others about this lack of pressmen? > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From sos at olympus.net Tue Jul 24 15:04:29 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Jul 24 15:04:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lack of Trained Pressmen References: Message-ID: <00af01c7ce25$7dbd7ab0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> > and 2,000 4/4 8.5x11 will cost $110. ================== unless they want it on 350 gsm and your wimpy little copier won't run it. Or more likely, it'll run it but you've got to stand there and pull out the miss feeds every 8 or 10 sheets. Has it come to the point where a small quick printer needs to have a half a million dollar I-Gen to get his work done? Or a million dollar Speedmaster 52 or Ryobi 525GXL? Contrary to most shops, our press runs are getting longer and longer. The little short jobs do indeed go on the copiers now. Were just finishing a newsletter that's a total of 120,000 impressions. 37,500 coupons right behind it. School calendars 36,000 impressions right behind that. . . these are press jobs, not copier jobs. If I had another pressman they'd be no problem. Last month, most profitable ever, but I'm exhausted. My wife and daughter are in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico. Getting some sun. Been in the 60s here and raining. But I can't get away. I'm working 12-14 hours a day. Should I hire that ex-convict alcoholic who claimed he could run a 4 color Crabtree? I don't think so. I can't believe I'm wasting my time typing this. But hey, thanks for listening. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From DanF at MMSNY.com Tue Jul 24 15:15:51 2007 From: DanF at MMSNY.com (Dan Flatt) Date: Tue Jul 24 15:13:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wide Image Inkjets for Proofing Message-ID: The Epson 9800 is awesome for proofing when using proofing paper. We use color management and ICC profiles and never have any issues with customers. Daniel Flatt, M.B.A Syracuse University vice president and co-owner Multi Media Services / Sunset Printers Cell 607-331-7217 PLEASE TRY TO CONTACT ME ON MY CELL BEFORE CALLING THE OFFICE Fax 1-877-684-3043 Office 1-607-936-3186 www.mmsny.com "You don't make decisions because they are easy. You don't make decisions because they are cheap. You don't make decisions because they are popular. You make decisions because they are right." Theodore Hessburgh president emeritus of the University of Notre Dame 1953-1987 Other employees cell phone numbers: Rick Bartholomew (President and co-owner) 607-769-8111 Patty Carlson (On-demand leader) 607-331-5314 Suzie Bartholomew (IR account manager) 607-331-7068 Ralph Begeal (Special account rep) 607-331-5572 Emily Coletta (Prepress / design) 607-331-7708 David Jackson (Finance manager /CSR) 607-331-5422 Rose Flatt (Prepress / design) 607-331-1555 Dick Shelford (Sunset operations) 607-331-5775 Judy Pruyne (Prepress / design) 607-331-5963 Dave Satterly (IR Athens in-plant) 607-331-6025 Margaret Puffer (Mailing services / On demand) 607-936-3186 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Doug Carlile Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 10:51 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Wide Image Inkjets for Proofing ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We have been using an Epson 7400 for proofing and it has developed a problem that appears to be uneconomical to repair. If anyone has replaced an Epson 7400 which is used for process proofs and also for posters, I would like to know what they selected and if they are getting comparable results. Thanks, Doug Carlile President Professional Print & Mail, Inc. 2818 E. Hamilton Ave. Fresno, CA 93721 800/654-7468 559/237-7468 fax: 559/237-4929 email: dcarlile@printfresno.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From robin at protypeonline.com Tue Jul 24 15:22:48 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Tue Jul 24 15:22:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Upgrading DTP workstations Message-ID: A: OptiPlex GX270D, 2.4 GHz, PR, 800 FSB, 512 cache, 1 GB memory, 400MHz DDR, 2x512, 40 GB, 7200 RPM ATA/100 hard drive B: Dimension 4700, P4 w/HT ; 3 GHz; 512 MB memory DDR2 SDRAM at 400 MHz, 80 GB ATA hard drive, 7200 RPM these are my two dtp workstations. The dimension is painfully slow. We save all customer files, art, etc. on our quantum raid 4 server. I'm thinking of getting new optiPlex workstations...we run all Adobe and all PC....will CS3 even work at max. efficiency on either of these machines? I always thought OptiPlex was for business (numbers)? We are out in the sticks and it is easiest for us to buy DELL, online and get their service/warranty. Has always worked for us. I do not have a wealth of retail options in our area and don't like buying work computers at the "big box" stores. Suggestions welcome ...solicited! ohhhh, we would keep windows xp professional -- works for us and not seeing any need to change. Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From rstor at copycats.com Tue Jul 24 15:25:43 2007 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Tue Jul 24 15:27:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lack of Trained Pressmen In-Reply-To: <00af01c7ce25$7dbd7ab0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <00af01c7ce25$7dbd7ab0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <46A65237.6050400@copycats.com> Dan, The answer is to raise the salary of the position and advertise it. When you are paying a premium you will attract job candidates. Of course, you will need to raise prices as well. There are solutions, but not easy ones. Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Dan Huntingford wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> and 2,000 4/4 8.5x11 will cost $110. > ================== > > unless they want it on 350 gsm and your wimpy little copier won't run > it. Or more likely, it'll run it but you've got to stand there and > pull out the miss feeds every 8 or 10 sheets. > Has it come to the point where a small quick printer needs to have a > half a million dollar I-Gen to get his work done? > Or a million dollar Speedmaster 52 or Ryobi 525GXL? > > Contrary to most shops, our press runs are getting longer and longer. > The little short jobs do indeed go on the copiers now. Were just > finishing a newsletter that's a total of 120,000 impressions. 37,500 > coupons right behind it. School calendars 36,000 impressions right > behind that. . . these are press jobs, not copier jobs. If I had > another pressman they'd be no problem. Last month, most profitable > ever, but I'm exhausted. > My wife and daughter are in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico. Getting some > sun. Been in the 60s here and raining. But I can't get away. I'm > working 12-14 hours a day. > Should I hire that ex-convict alcoholic who claimed he could run a 4 > color Crabtree? > I don't think so. > I can't believe I'm wasting my time typing this. > > But hey, thanks for listening. > > Dan Huntingford > SOS Printing > 2319 Washington Street > Port Townsend, WA 98368 > sos@olympus.net > (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > From mail at myprinter.biz Tue Jul 24 15:59:40 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Tue Jul 24 15:59:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Image Spammers Utilize PDF In-Reply-To: <002001c7ce25$0a065f10$1e131d30$@com> Message-ID: John - We've been getting a bunch of them, too. Initially, they were easy to spot, because the subject lines were blank, but now we're getting them with enticing subject lines. I'm hoping that none of the spammers start using stuff like "How to get even with Adobe" in their subject lines. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of John Henry Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:01 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Image Spammers Utilize PDF ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,2160212,00.asp?kc=PZPDFEMNL072407EOAD I wonder how Adobe feels about this. I know I am getting 4-5 a day, this type of stuff makes the Kinko's type customer very suspicious of PDF. Maybe not a bad thing the way things are going. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.16/914 - Release Date: 7/23/2007 7:45 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Tue Jul 24 16:16:06 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Tue Jul 24 16:18:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Lack of Trained Pressmen In-Reply-To: <20070724195931.9C9A29DF7B4@rb.enter.net> References: <20070724195931.9C9A29DF7B4@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <628f79950d8af5542a51a3ac61324155@sheergraphics.com> I don't agree with part of the answer: "Of course, you will need to raise prices as well" Pay more for an employee and get much better productivity out of that employee. It's my same philosophy, applicable to most things in this world including our selling prices: 'Price is higher, but cost is lower'. > The answer is to raise the salary of the position and advertise it. > When you are paying a premium you will attract job candidates. Of > course, you will need to raise prices as well. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Tue Jul 24 16:23:31 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Tue Jul 24 16:26:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Image Spammers Utilize PDF In-Reply-To: <20070724195931.9C9A29DF7B4@rb.enter.net> References: <20070724195931.9C9A29DF7B4@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <97745f1146bc3c9aecbc6ba3ea330982@sheergraphics.com> > We've been getting a bunch of them, too. We've only received two this past week, both from highjacked domestic IP addresses. But we filter/bounce at the server level - PagePath's IpSwitch software. > Initially, they were easy to spot, because the subject lines were > blank, but > now we're getting them with enticing subject lines. They're not as enticing as John Stewart's recent post! > I'm hoping that none of the spammers start using stuff like "How to > get even > with Adobe" in their subject lines. Perhaps we'll just forward them AUTOMATICALLY to Mr Chizen and colleagues at Adobe! Again using the server-based email software! Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From char at themasterspress.com Tue Jul 24 16:34:17 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Tue Jul 24 16:34:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe Update from NAPL/NAQP Message-ID: <000401c7ce32$056af210$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Here is a press release that went out from NAPL/NAQP Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com _____ From: members@printimageintl.org [mailto:members@printimageintl.org] On Behalf Of Steve Johnson Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 11:39 AM To: members List Member Subject: [members] Adobe Update {01} Good morning! I have copied below a press release sent this morning to the industry trade press by NAQP & NAPL informing them that the Graphic Communications Coalition for Open Competition we formed which include many of the printing franchises (listed in the release) stands firm in its position as stated in the meeting with Adobe last week on July 17. Our position, on your behalf, was that Adobe should extricate themselves from the agreement with FedEx/Kinko's and remove the logo and embedded link from the latest version of Adobe software as soon as possible. Adobe asked for two weeks to explore their options and stated they would get back to the group within two weeks. The members of the coalition has informed Adobe both verbally at the meeting and in writing that during this two week period we will continue to examine any and all options open to us - legal and otherwise - should Adobe's response fall short of our expectations. We will continue to be out front regarding this matter and will keep you informed of our activities on your behalf. Following Adobe Forum, NAPL, NAQP and Coalition for Open Competition Remain Firm: Adobe Should Dissolve Agreement With FedEx Kinko's And Remove Fed Ex Kinko's Logo and Link from Software In July letter to Adobe CEO Bruce Chizen, Association heads and Coalition participants state intentions to pursue "any and all options" should Adobe solution fall short of expectations. PARAMUS, NJ, JULY 24, 2007 - In a July 20, 2007, letter to Adobe Systems, Inc. CEO Bruce Chizen, Joseph P. Truncale, president and chief executive officer of NAPL (www.napl.org ), the trade association for excellence in graphic communications management, and Steve Johnson, president and chief executive officer of the National Association of Quick Printers (NAQP), stated that their position regarding the Adobe/FedEx Kinko's agreement remains as follows: Adobe should extricate itself from the agreement and remove the FedEx Kinko's logo and embedded link from Adobe software in a timely manner. The letter followed a July 17, 2007, Print Advisory Forum held in San Francisco, CA, and called by Adobe to explore the issue. NAPL and NAQP sent the letter on behalf of NAPL Network members and of the Graphic Communications Coalition for Open Competition. In addition to NAPL and NAQP, Coalition participants as of July 20, when the letter was mailed (additional firms have joined since), were Kevin Cushing, chief executive officer, AlphaGraphics, Inc.; Andrew Hrywnak, president, Print Three Franchising Corp.; Michael Jutt, executive vice president and director of Training, Minuteman Press International, Inc.; Richard Lowe, president, Sir Speedy; Carl Gerhardt, president and chief executive officer, Allegra Network; Bob Metzger, vice chairman, International Center for Entrepreneurial Development (ICED); Catherine Monson, president, PIP; and Steve Morris, chief executive officer, Signal Graphics (SAMPA Corp). NAQP's Steve Johnson and several members of the Graphic Communications Coalition for Open Competition participated by invitation from Adobe in the company's July 17, 2007, Print Advisory Forum, which Adobe had called to "facilitate a dialog." At that Print Advisory Forum, Adobe indicated it would communicate a solution to the situation in two weeks. In their July 20, 2007, letter, NAPL's Truncale and NAQP's Johnson stated that "during that period, we will continue to examine any and all options open to us-legal and otherwise-should Adobe's solution fall short of our expectations." The Graphic Communications Coalition for Open Competition was formed in June 2007 in response to an announcement that month by Adobe Systems of its agreement with FedEx Kinko's in which the latest versions of AdobeR Reader and Adobe AcrobatR software feature an embedded connection to FedEx Kinko's PrintOnline application. A June 15 letter to Adobe's Chizen from Truncale and Johnson was a prompt response to the announced agreement and was followed by a flurry of protests from companies and organizations throughout the graphic communications industry. In their June letter, Truncale and Johnson expressed their disappointment in the agreement, which they said provides "an unfair competitive advantage to FedEx Kinko's. . .at the expense of the many other printers-including many of our members-who have played such a pivotal role in establishing Adobe as the de facto standard among many end users for reading documents and printing file submission." This expressions of concern to Adobe is a reflection of the commitment of NAPL and its partners in The NAPL Network-NAQP and the Research and Engineering Council of NAPL-to speak out on issues affecting their members. Thanks! Steve Johnson NAQP, a member of the NAPL Network President & CEO 2250 East Devon Avenue, Suite 245 Des Plaines, IL 60018 Toll Free: 800.234.0040 Fax: 847.298.8705 Email: sjohnson@printimage.org --NAQP List Serve-------------------------------------- If you believe you received this message in error or no longer wish to subscribe to the NAQP Listserve, please send an email to membership@printimage.org with PLEASE REMOVE in the subject line. Please DO NOT reply to this email. Thank you, The NAQP Staff From dscorrell at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 24 17:49:08 2007 From: dscorrell at sbcglobal.net (Danny Correll) Date: Tue Jul 24 16:49:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Membership directories Message-ID: <00ea01c7ce3c$776f7020$e8ebf446@artnt> We produce membership directories for several large organizations. Up until now we have been updating the information for each member manually. Our directories are currently set in Quark 6.5 which allows us to attach photos to blocks of text allowing for easy addition and subtraction of members without having to relink 200+ photos. However, now we need to be able to take the membership information from Access files (saved as Word or Excel files) and have it imported into the proper fields. According to Adobe support, InDesign will not tie text to photos. So we can import the text into fields in InDesign CS3, but the photos can't be linked. Quark, on the other hand, will link the photos to the appropriate text box but won't data merge into fields from Excel. Has anyone have any suggestions or developed a good means to accomplish both the easy updates while keeping text tied to particular photos? Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. Contact us off list if necessary. Danny Correll President/Gen Mgr First Impressions Printing Springfield, MO 65808 800-285-0320 "Over 30 years and still growing!" From cpurvine1 at cox.net Tue Jul 24 17:00:59 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Tue Jul 24 17:01:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Membership directories In-Reply-To: <00ea01c7ce3c$776f7020$e8ebf446@artnt> References: <00ea01c7ce3c$776f7020$e8ebf446@artnt> Message-ID: <00ff01c7ce35$bcaea860$0300a8c0@corapurvine> I'll bet that Alpha 5 could do this. You can call them and find out. 1-800-451-1018 X14 It is a really good database program that does so much more. I used to do a directory for over 1,000 homes in my area and this is the program that I used for that and it was only Alpha 4 then and now it is Alpha 8. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Danny Correll Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:49 PM To: PrintOwners Subject: [PrintOwners] Membership directories ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We produce membership directories for several large organizations. Up until now we have been updating the information for each member manually. Our directories are currently set in Quark 6.5 which allows us to attach photos to blocks of text allowing for easy addition and subtraction of members without having to relink 200+ photos. However, now we need to be able to take the membership information from Access files (saved as Word or Excel files) and have it imported into the proper fields. According to Adobe support, InDesign will not tie text to photos. So we can import the text into fields in InDesign CS3, but the photos can't be linked. Quark, on the other hand, will link the photos to the appropriate text box but won't data merge into fields from Excel. Has anyone have any suggestions or developed a good means to accomplish both the easy updates while keeping text tied to particular photos? Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. Contact us off list if necessary. Danny Correll President/Gen Mgr First Impressions Printing Springfield, MO 65808 800-285-0320 "Over 30 years and still growing!" _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2417 (20070724) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From mail at myprinter.biz Tue Jul 24 17:03:43 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Tue Jul 24 17:03:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Image Spammers Utilize PDF In-Reply-To: <97745f1146bc3c9aecbc6ba3ea330982@sheergraphics.com> Message-ID: Simon - You're evil...and I like it. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 t 954.962.1309 f 954-962-1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Simon Sheers Sent: