From dominick at fmtc.com Sat Dec 1 19:16:43 2007 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Sat Dec 1 19:17:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign RUSH Help Message-ID: <4751F96B.8080606@fmtc.com> I have a InDesign CS2 file that says it cannot be open or is still open by another program, and I cannot access it. "Indesign may not support this file format, a plug-in that supports the file format may be missing, or may be open in another application". I am using CS2 4.05, with all plugins loaded and updated. Does anybody have a trick to rescue this file??? Thanks Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com From vern at fosterpress.com Sat Dec 1 19:27:52 2007 From: vern at fosterpress.com (Vern Foster) Date: Sat Dec 1 19:28:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign RUSH Help In-Reply-To: <4751F96B.8080606@fmtc.com> References: <4751F96B.8080606@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <002f01c8347a$2d190cd0$0100a8c0@foster501df6fb> Long shot... and if the problem is the "open by another program" problem... If on a PC, I have been able to copy the file to another directory/filename and open the copy. HTH Vern ======================================== Vern Foster ~ Foster Press ~ Lake Stevens, WA vern@fosterpress.com ~ 425-334-9317 ======================================== -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dominick's Printing Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 4:17 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign RUSH Help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a InDesign CS2 file that says it cannot be open or is still open by another program, and I cannot access it. "Indesign may not support this file format, a plug-in that supports the file format may be missing, or may be open in another application". I am using CS2 4.05, with all plugins loaded and updated. Does anybody have a trick to rescue this file??? Thanks Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From info at ultraprinting.com.au Sat Dec 1 19:40:52 2007 From: info at ultraprinting.com.au (Bob Fawcett) Date: Sat Dec 1 19:42:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign RUSH Help In-Reply-To: <002f01c8347a$2d190cd0$0100a8c0@foster501df6fb> References: <4751F96B.8080606@fmtc.com> <002f01c8347a$2d190cd0$0100a8c0@foster501df6fb> Message-ID: <4DB24026-D23A-4050-B42C-E2FB4317E94A@ultraprinting.com.au> Check out Adobe website - http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/ viewContent.do?externalId=324679&sliceId=2 Kind regards Bob Fawcett Ultra Printing, Marketing & Publishing Services Ultra Promotional Products Ultra Promotions Telephone: 61 8 9302 6311 Facsimile: 61 8 9302 6300 Mobile: 0417 930 905 Email: info@ultraprinting.com.au www.ultraprinting.com.au Perth Western Australia Australia On 02/12/2007, at 9:27 AM, Vern Foster wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Long shot... and if the problem is the "open by another program" > problem... > > If on a PC, I have been able to copy the file to another directory/ > filename > and open the copy. > > HTH > Vern > > > ======================================== > Vern Foster ~ Foster Press ~ Lake Stevens, WA > vern@fosterpress.com ~ 425-334-9317 > ======================================== > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dominick's > Printing > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 4:17 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign RUSH Help > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I have a InDesign CS2 file that says it cannot be open or is still > open > by another program, and I cannot access it. > > "Indesign may not support this file format, a plug-in that supports > the > file format may be missing, or may be open in another application". > > I am using CS2 4.05, with all plugins loaded and updated. > > Does anybody have a trick to rescue this file??? > > Thanks > > Joe Dominick > > Dominick's Quality Printing > 542 W. Idaho Avenue > Ontario Oregon 97914 > 541.881.1121 > Fax 541.881.1599 > > www.dominicksprinting.com > dominick@fmtc.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From communicar at aol.com Sat Dec 1 20:26:10 2007 From: communicar at aol.com (communicar@aol.com) Date: Sat Dec 1 20:26:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign RUSH Help In-Reply-To: <4751F96B.8080606@fmtc.com> References: <4751F96B.8080606@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <8CA02997443FBE4-B90-48D1@FWM-M30.sysops.aol.com> Sounds like it might be CS3. Ken Azebu Communicart Graphics & Printing 499 Aldo Avenue Santa Clara, CA 95054 (408) 970-0922 (408) 970-8630 Fax -----Original Message----- From: Dominick's Printing To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 4:16 pm Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign RUSH Help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message *****? ? I have a InDesign CS2 file that says it cannot be open or is still open by another program, and I cannot access it.? ? "Indesign may not support this file format, a plug-in that supports the file format may be missing, or may be open in another application".? ? I am using CS2 4.05, with all plugins loaded and updated.? ? Does anybody have a trick to rescue this file???? ? Thanks? ? Joe Dominick? ? Dominick's Quality Printing? 542 W. Idaho Avenue? Ontario Oregon 97914? 541.881.1121? Fax 541.881.1599? ? www.dominicksprinting.com? dominick@fmtc.com? ? _______________________________________________? PrintOwners Discussion List? Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org? Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners? ? ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp00050000000003 From dominick at fmtc.com Sat Dec 1 20:50:33 2007 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Sat Dec 1 20:50:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign RUSH Help In-Reply-To: <4DB24026-D23A-4050-B42C-E2FB4317E94A@ultraprinting.com.au> References: <4751F96B.8080606@fmtc.com> <002f01c8347a$2d190cd0$0100a8c0@foster501df6fb> <4DB24026-D23A-4050-B42C-E2FB4317E94A@ultraprinting.com.au> Message-ID: <47520F69.1020609@fmtc.com> Thanks Bob, already tried them all. No luck. Good link tho, had never seen it. File is from a G4 with CS2. Guess it is dead. Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Bob Fawcett wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Check out Adobe website - > http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=324679&sliceId=2 > > > Kind regards > > Bob Fawcett > > Ultra Printing, Marketing & Publishing Services > Ultra Promotional Products > Ultra Promotions > > Telephone: 61 8 9302 6311 > Facsimile: 61 8 9302 6300 > Mobile: 0417 930 905 > > Email: info@ultraprinting.com.au > > www.ultraprinting.com.au > > Perth > Western Australia > Australia > > > On 02/12/2007, at 9:27 AM, Vern Foster wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Long shot... and if the problem is the "open by another program" >> problem... >> >> If on a PC, I have been able to copy the file to another >> directory/filename >> and open the copy. >> >> HTH >> Vern >> >> >> ======================================== >> Vern Foster ~ Foster Press ~ Lake Stevens, WA >> vern@fosterpress.com ~ 425-334-9317 >> ======================================== >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dominick's >> Printing >> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 4:17 PM >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign RUSH Help >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I have a InDesign CS2 file that says it cannot be open or is still open >> by another program, and I cannot access it. >> >> "Indesign may not support this file format, a plug-in that supports the >> file format may be missing, or may be open in another application". >> >> I am using CS2 4.05, with all plugins loaded and updated. >> >> Does anybody have a trick to rescue this file??? >> >> Thanks >> >> Joe Dominick >> >> Dominick's Quality Printing >> 542 W. Idaho Avenue >> Ontario Oregon 97914 >> 541.881.1121 >> Fax 541.881.1599 >> >> www.dominicksprinting.com >> dominick@fmtc.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From info at ultraprinting.com.au Sat Dec 1 22:29:36 2007 From: info at ultraprinting.com.au (Bob Fawcett) Date: Sat Dec 1 22:30:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign RUSH Help In-Reply-To: <47520F69.1020609@fmtc.com> References: <4751F96B.8080606@fmtc.com> <002f01c8347a$2d190cd0$0100a8c0@foster501df6fb> <4DB24026-D23A-4050-B42C-E2FB4317E94A@ultraprinting.com.au> <47520F69.1020609@fmtc.com> Message-ID: If you email direct I'll see what I can do with it Kind regards Bob Fawcett Ultra Printing, Marketing & Publishing Services Ultra Promotional Products Ultra Promotions Telephone: 61 8 9302 6311 Facsimile: 61 8 9302 6300 Mobile: 0417 930 905 Email: info@ultraprinting.com.au www.ultraprinting.com.au Perth Western Australia Australia On 02/12/2007, at 10:50 AM, Dominick's Printing wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Thanks Bob, already tried them all. No luck. Good link tho, had > never seen it. File is from a G4 with CS2. Guess it is dead. > > Joe Dominick > > Dominick's Quality Printing > 542 W. Idaho Avenue > Ontario Oregon 97914 > 541.881.1121 > Fax 541.881.1599 > > www.dominicksprinting.com > dominick@fmtc.com > > Bob Fawcett wrote: >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Check out Adobe website - http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/ >> viewContent.do?externalId=324679&sliceId=2 >> >> Kind regards >> >> Bob Fawcett >> >> Ultra Printing, Marketing & Publishing Services >> Ultra Promotional Products >> Ultra Promotions >> >> Telephone: 61 8 9302 6311 >> Facsimile: 61 8 9302 6300 >> Mobile: 0417 930 905 >> >> Email: info@ultraprinting.com.au >> >> www.ultraprinting.com.au >> >> Perth >> Western Australia >> Australia >> >> >> On 02/12/2007, at 9:27 AM, Vern Foster wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> Long shot... and if the problem is the "open by another program" >>> problem... >>> >>> If on a PC, I have been able to copy the file to another >>> directory/filename >>> and open the copy. >>> >>> HTH >>> Vern >>> >>> >>> ======================================== >>> Vern Foster ~ Foster Press ~ Lake Stevens, WA >>> vern@fosterpress.com ~ 425-334-9317 >>> ======================================== >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >>> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dominick's >>> Printing >>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 4:17 PM >>> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >>> Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign RUSH Help >>> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> I have a InDesign CS2 file that says it cannot be open or is >>> still open >>> by another program, and I cannot access it. >>> >>> "Indesign may not support this file format, a plug-in that >>> supports the >>> file format may be missing, or may be open in another application". >>> >>> I am using CS2 4.05, with all plugins loaded and updated. >>> >>> Does anybody have a trick to rescue this file??? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Joe Dominick >>> >>> Dominick's Quality Printing >>> 542 W. Idaho Avenue >>> Ontario Oregon 97914 >>> 541.881.1121 >>> Fax 541.881.1599 >>> >>> www.dominicksprinting.com >>> dominick@fmtc.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From acepm2 at gmail.com Sun Dec 2 06:52:08 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Sun Dec 2 06:52:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: Christmas site for "Light Heads" Message-ID: I don't know if any of you are really into Christmas, but if you are, I invite you to check out a place where I visit.. daily throughout the year! www.PlanetChristmas.com They also have a 24/7 Christmas music for your computer. This site deals quite a bit with lighting and animation of lights. If you love Christmas, you'll love this site. Merry Christmas my friends! -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From k_graham at hotmail.com Sun Dec 2 12:35:36 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Sun Dec 2 12:35:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] InDesign RUSH Help References: <4751F96B.8080606@fmtc.com> Message-ID: > I have a InDesign CS2 file that says it cannot be open or is still open by > another program, and I cannot access it. With other programs when that has happened but there is no other accessing it I've found it worked after a Re-boot of computer. May require a reboot of server if that is where it is at which time file should be able to be copied and hopefully opened. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com Dawson Creek BC 250.782.7108 From robin at protypeonline.com Sun Dec 2 18:44:20 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Sun Dec 2 18:44:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: Digital Photo Frames Message-ID: <1E1DE0D3-5E8B-4FCE-9A93-B363186A3F33@protypeonline.com> Does anyone have any experience with digital photo frames. I thought this might be a great gift for grandparents, expecially if I could load a bunch of pictures on them before sending/giving. My reservations are that the pictures would change too often and be annoying! Also, from what I have read and researched, would I be correct to say that you can insert your digital media card from your camera directly into a slot provided in the frame OR you can connec the frame to your computer via USB cable and transfer pictures from your computer to the frame? Pros or Cons. I was looking at the 7" size. If I can find someone to endorse this idea, I'll purchase 3 and I think I could be DONE with my holiday shopping -- except for the gifts I am making myself -- photo calendars, lasagna.....etc. :))) Merry Christmas Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From list at interiorgraphics.com Sun Dec 2 18:55:14 2007 From: list at interiorgraphics.com (Michelle at Interior Graphics) Date: Sun Dec 2 18:55:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: Digital Photo Frames In-Reply-To: <1E1DE0D3-5E8B-4FCE-9A93-B363186A3F33@protypeonline.com> References: <1E1DE0D3-5E8B-4FCE-9A93-B363186A3F33@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <1ACEF3BB-5FA2-4A90-B547-547C68BB5227@interiorgraphics.com> Hey Robin - I don't have one yet, but my mother in law does, and they are terrific. What a great gift if you already have the photos on them. They are not annoying, and generally don't go to fast or anything. So, I guess I'm pro, and I haven't heard anything bad about them. I might have to steal your idea for next year! Happy Holidays! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michelle Maynor "Your Personal Printer" Interior Graphics & Printing 770 8th Avenue Fairbanks, AK 99701 907.456.4982 phone 907.452.6992 fax "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the most." - John Ruskin On Dec 2, 2007, at 2:44 PM, Robin Niewold wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does anyone have any experience with digital photo frames. I > thought this might be a great gift for grandparents, expecially if > I could load a bunch of pictures on them before sending/giving. My > reservations are that the pictures would change too often and be > annoying! Also, from what I have read and researched, would I be > correct to say that you can insert your digital media card from > your camera directly into a slot provided in the frame OR you can > connec the frame to your computer via USB cable and transfer > pictures from your computer to the frame? > Pros or Cons. I was looking at the 7" size. If I can find someone > to endorse this idea, I'll purchase 3 and I think I could be DONE > with my holiday shopping -- except for the gifts I am making myself > -- photo calendars, lasagna.....etc. :))) > Merry Christmas > Robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From vern at fosterpress.com Sun Dec 2 19:05:06 2007 From: vern at fosterpress.com (Vern Foster) Date: Sun Dec 2 19:05:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: Digital Photo Frames In-Reply-To: <1E1DE0D3-5E8B-4FCE-9A93-B363186A3F33@protypeonline.com> References: <1E1DE0D3-5E8B-4FCE-9A93-B363186A3F33@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <003301c83540$29929330$0100a8c0@foster501df6fb> I'm working on formatting photos & music for a friend on 3 of these. He bought 7" ones, but the image area is only 3x5. Kind of hard to view for older folks. ======================================== Vern Foster ~ Foster Press ~ Lake Stevens, WA vern@fosterpress.com ~ 425-334-9317 ======================================== -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 3:44 PM To: printowners printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: Digital Photo Frames ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Does anyone have any experience with digital photo frames. I thought this might be a great gift for grandparents, expecially if I could load a bunch of pictures on them before sending/giving. My reservations are that the pictures would change too often and be annoying! Also, from what I have read and researched, would I be correct to say that you can insert your digital media card from your camera directly into a slot provided in the frame OR you can connec the frame to your computer via USB cable and transfer pictures from your computer to the frame? Pros or Cons. I was looking at the 7" size. If I can find someone to endorse this idea, I'll purchase 3 and I think I could be DONE with my holiday shopping -- except for the gifts I am making myself -- photo calendars, lasagna.....etc. :))) Merry Christmas Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jdaghir at gmail.com Mon Dec 3 09:01:45 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Mon Dec 3 09:01:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Moving Equipment In-Reply-To: <045b01c832c7$1959dee0$0b01a8c0@NOTEBOOK> References: <474EC5C3.20121.E30EAA4@slb.inkspot.net> <474F1138.7060504@danielsprinting.us> <045b01c832c7$1959dee0$0b01a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <83d5b9620712030601k1b01e130l770e327a8de38c10@mail.gmail.com> We've used Computer Transportation Services (www.moveit.com) to move some copiers and imagesetters in the past. They cost a little more than regular freight services but they specialize in moving copiers and other sensitive electronic equipment. They will blanket wrap the equipment and ship it on an air-ride van. I believe they're just brokers so you could probably arrange similar services yourself for less if you know who to call and what to ask for but I find it more cost effective to just pay them to take care of it for me. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com > I'm buying a used copier from another Kwik Kopy. > > Any suggestions on a mover to get it to me? From bob at gallagherprint.com Mon Dec 3 09:26:08 2007 From: bob at gallagherprint.com (Bob Gallagher) Date: Mon Dec 3 09:26:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: Digital Photo Frames In-Reply-To: <1E1DE0D3-5E8B-4FCE-9A93-B363186A3F33@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: On 12/2/07 6:44 PM, "Robin Niewold" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does anyone have any experience with digital photo frames. I bought three last year for my wife and daughters in law. Loaded pictures on a 1 gb card and it works great. My wife has hers on a lot. Load the pictures on the card at 72dpi. Let's you get more on. Please change my email address in your records to Thanks Bob Gallagher Gallagher Printing, Inc. 601 W. Main Street Palmyra, PA 17078 717-838-1527 1-888-838-1527 Fax 717-838-5715 http://www.gallagherprint.com An Adobe Service Provider A Microsoft Publisher Provider Member, Adobe Solutions Network From owner at latsons.com Mon Dec 3 10:03:58 2007 From: owner at latsons.com (Dick Latson) Date: Mon Dec 3 10:04:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: Digital Photo Frames In-Reply-To: <1E1DE0D3-5E8B-4FCE-9A93-B363186A3F33@protypeonline.com> References: <1E1DE0D3-5E8B-4FCE-9A93-B363186A3F33@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <200712031504.lB3F3wWj062402@pro35.abac.com> Robin, may inquire as to your source for these. We are having the same thoughts but are not sure where to purchase these. Thanks, Dick At 05:44 PM 12/2/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Does anyone have any experience with digital photo frames. I thought >this might be a great gift for grandparents, expecially if I could >load a bunch of pictures on them before sending/giving. My >reservations are that the pictures would change too often and be >annoying! Also, from what I have read and researched, would I be >correct to say that you can insert your digital media card from your >camera directly into a slot provided in the frame OR you can connec >the frame to your computer via USB cable and transfer pictures from >your computer to the frame? >Pros or Cons. I was looking at the 7" size. If I can find someone to >endorse this idea, I'll purchase 3 and I think I could be DONE with >my holiday shopping -- except for the gifts I am making myself -- >photo calendars, lasagna.....etc. :))) >Merry Christmas >Robin > >Robin Niewold >Pro-Type Printing >130 N. Market Street >Paxton, IL 60957 >217.379.4715 >robin@protypeonline.com > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: owner@latsons.com www.latsons.com From inkyhand at gmail.com Mon Dec 3 10:36:48 2007 From: inkyhand at gmail.com (Ron Livingston) Date: Mon Dec 3 10:37:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: Digital Photo Frames In-Reply-To: <1E1DE0D3-5E8B-4FCE-9A93-B363186A3F33@protypeonline.com> References: <1E1DE0D3-5E8B-4FCE-9A93-B363186A3F33@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <5c2107b30712030736o635bf85as76e12b49ada2c0e9@mail.gmail.com> Our son bought us one about 2 years ago. Works very good. The frame size is about 8 x 10 but the picture size is close to 5 x 7. I would not get one with any smaller picture size than that. Ours does a slide show and plays music at the same time off of any memory card. On our unit, the pictures and songs play only in the order that they were put on the card. If you put the pictures on the card, then change the order of the pictures on the card, it will still play them in the original order. The only way to change the order is to empty the card, then reload in the new order. He put all of the stuff in order on the computer first, then copied it to the SD in the same order. Pictures are .jpg and the songs are .mp3. BTW, my wife's family is full blood Italian, so we often have lasagna, spaghetti, manicotti, etc. for Thanksgiving, Christmas (or any other reason we can think of)! Hope this helps, Ron On Dec 2, 2007 5:44 PM, Robin Niewold wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > Does anyone have any experience with digital photo frames. I thought > this might be a great gift for grandparents, expecially if I could > load a bunch of pictures on them before sending/giving. > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > -- Ron Livingston Cornerstone Press 1228 Scyene, Suite 117 Mesquite, TX 75149 (972) 285-4670 From david.doost at gmail.com Mon Dec 3 10:44:13 2007 From: david.doost at gmail.com (David Doost) Date: Mon Dec 3 10:44:35 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: Digital Photo Frames In-Reply-To: <200712031504.lB3F3wWj062402@pro35.abac.com> References: <1E1DE0D3-5E8B-4FCE-9A93-B363186A3F33@protypeonline.com> <200712031504.lB3F3wWj062402@pro35.abac.com> Message-ID: <4754244f.2586460a.6352.49ea@mx.google.com> Dick, You can find these at many places (Best Buy, all the big box office supply chains...). I have bought several through buy.com: http://tinyurl.com/262sye We also have one of these digital frames sitting on our front lobby counter, our graphics saved some promotional ads and saved it to the flash card. It acts just like a screen saver. Lots of compliments from clients. The 12" frame: http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=206505822&adid=17070&dcaid=17070 David Doost Printing Impression 1200 Barrett Parkway Suite 4 Kennesaw, GA 30144 770-422-8766 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dick Latson Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 10:04 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] OFF: Digital Photo Frames ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Robin, may inquire as to your source for these. We are having the same thoughts but are not sure where to purchase these. Thanks, Dick At 05:44 PM 12/2/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Does anyone have any experience with digital photo frames. I thought >this might be a great gift for grandparents, expecially if I could >load a bunch of pictures on them before sending/giving. My >reservations are that the pictures would change too often and be >annoying! Also, from what I have read and researched, would I be >correct to say that you can insert your digital media card from your >camera directly into a slot provided in the frame OR you can connec >the frame to your computer via USB cable and transfer pictures from >your computer to the frame? >Pros or Cons. I was looking at the 7" size. If I can find someone to >endorse this idea, I'll purchase 3 and I think I could be DONE with >my holiday shopping -- except for the gifts I am making myself -- >photo calendars, lasagna.....etc. :))) >Merry Christmas >Robin > >Robin Niewold >Pro-Type Printing >130 N. Market Street >Paxton, IL 60957 >217.379.4715 >robin@protypeonline.com > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: owner@latsons.com www.latsons.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From carisa at holmesprinting.com Mon Dec 3 10:46:02 2007 From: carisa at holmesprinting.com (Carisa Holmes-Peters) Date: Mon Dec 3 10:46:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: Digital Photo Frames In-Reply-To: <20071203153716.0B8EECC5B2F@rb.enter.net> References: <20071203153716.0B8EECC5B2F@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <27C97FC9-9D02-45E0-8C1A-5A535A647A85@holmesprinting.com> Hi Robin! I just purchased one as a birthday gift for a friend. It was a 9" and ran $79.00. I purchased it from Best Buy. You can set the time on the slide show from seconds to a minute I think. So you can adjust that easily. This particular one would hold about 40 pictures and then you could put the camera memory card right in there and play the pictures from that. The gift was a great surprise and I am thinking of getting one for my parents now. There are so many out there and they range in price. This one was not a brand name but it seems to be nice quality. I like the 9" screen also by the way. Hope this helps! Carisa Holmes-Peters HOLMES Printing 401 E. Columbia Street ? Springfield, OH 45503 Phone (937) 325-1509 ext. 226 ? Fax (937) 322-1601 carisa@holmesprinting.com ? http://www.holmesprinting.com/ On Dec 3, 2007, at 10:37 AM, printowners-request@printweb.org wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 17:44:20 -0600 > From: Robin Niewold > Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: Digital Photo Frames > To: printowners printowners > Message-ID: <1E1DE0D3-5E8B-4FCE-9A93-B363186A3F33@protypeonline.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Does anyone have any experience with digital photo frames. I thought > this might be a great gift for grandparents, expecially if I could > load a bunch of pictures on them before sending/giving. My > reservations are that the pictures would change too often and be > annoying! Also, from what I have read and researched, would I be > correct to say that you can insert your digital media card from your > camera directly into a slot provided in the frame OR you can connec > the frame to your computer via USB cable and transfer pictures from > your computer to the frame? > Pros or Cons. I was looking at the 7" size. If I can find someone to > endorse this idea, I'll purchase 3 and I think I could be DONE with > my holiday shopping -- except for the gifts I am making myself -- > photo calendars, lasagna.....etc. :))) > Merry Christmas > Robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com From kellycrom at gmail.com Mon Dec 3 10:49:38 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Mon Dec 3 10:50:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: Digital Photo Frames In-Reply-To: <1E1DE0D3-5E8B-4FCE-9A93-B363186A3F33@protypeonline.com> References: <1E1DE0D3-5E8B-4FCE-9A93-B363186A3F33@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <02fc01c835c4$2559e690$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Robin, Here is a link to a recent article from PC Magazine: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,2188990,00.asp Might be a good place to start. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 5:44 PM > To: printowners printowners > Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: Digital Photo Frames > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does anyone have any experience with digital photo frames. I thought > this might be a great gift for grandparents, expecially if I could > load a bunch of pictures on them before sending/giving. My > reservations are that the pictures would change too often and be > annoying! Also, from what I have read and researched, would I be > correct to say that you can insert your digital media card from your > camera directly into a slot provided in the frame OR you can connec > the frame to your computer via USB cable and transfer pictures from > your computer to the frame? > Pros or Cons. I was looking at the 7" size. If I can find someone to > endorse this idea, I'll purchase 3 and I think I could be DONE with > my holiday shopping -- except for the gifts I am making myself -- > photo calendars, lasagna.....etc. :))) > Merry Christmas > Robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From inkyhand at gmail.com Mon Dec 3 11:01:10 2007 From: inkyhand at gmail.com (Ron Livingston) Date: Mon Dec 3 11:01:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: Digital Photo Frames In-Reply-To: <200712031504.lB3F3wWj062402@pro35.abac.com> References: <1E1DE0D3-5E8B-4FCE-9A93-B363186A3F33@protypeonline.com> <200712031504.lB3F3wWj062402@pro35.abac.com> Message-ID: <5c2107b30712030801n222a95d2wb9b4390fb0b59463@mail.gmail.com> Dick, Any camera store probably has these. I have seen them at Fry's in Dallas on Northwest Hwy & Garland Rd., also I have seen them at Best Buy, Circuit City, OfficeMax & Office Depot in Rockwall. A google search for "digital photo frames" will get you many choices. hth, Ron On Dec 3, 2007 9:03 AM, Dick Latson wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Robin, may inquire as to your source for these. We are having the > same thoughts but are not sure where to purchase these. > Thanks, > Dick > > -- Ron Livingston Cornerstone Press 1228 Scyene, Suite 117 Mesquite, TX 75149 (972) 285-4670 From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Mon Dec 3 11:18:40 2007 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Mon Dec 3 11:19:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Test Post In-Reply-To: References: <4751F96B.8080606@fmtc.com> <002f01c8347a$2d190cd0$0100a8c0@foster501df6fb> <4DB24026-D23A-4050-B42C-E2FB4317E94A@ultraprinting.com.au> <47520F69.1020609@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <4D22AB8D-BE6F-4AD4-A83F-CDBA8DC3052F@bellsouth.net> Just seeing if I can post to the list... Thanks, Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 From jodib at blackfoot.net Mon Dec 3 11:36:53 2007 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Mon Dec 3 11:37:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Test Post References: <4751F96B.8080606@fmtc.com><002f01c8347a$2d190cd0$0100a8c0@foster501df6fb><4DB24026-D23A-4050-B42C-E2FB4317E94A@ultraprinting.com.au><47520F69.1020609@fmtc.com> <4D22AB8D-BE6F-4AD4-A83F-CDBA8DC3052F@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <007701c835ca$b6b46240$0101a8c0@desktoppbl> Hey Ben... post came through fine. I have a son stationed in your neck of the woods at Fort Bragg. Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing Missoula, Montana jodib@blackfoot.net 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Travis" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 9:18 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Test Post > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Just seeing if I can post to the list... > > Thanks, > > Ben Travis > > Copy Express > 4004-A South Blvd. > Charlotte, NC 20209 > cpyxpres@bellsouth.net > 704-527-1750 > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From swiftyprinting at mac.com Mon Dec 3 12:08:58 2007 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Mon Dec 3 12:09:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Followup on Magnetic sheets Message-ID: For those who were looking for high volume solutions to printing magnets here is the manufacturer: arnoldmagnetics.com Info sheet: https://www.arnoldmagnetics.com/v2/sales/pdf/ABWA05N250.pdf Low volume solutions: print on adhesive vinyl and mount. Other high volume solutions are the sheets for the press. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com From jdowning at libertygrouponline.com Mon Dec 3 12:16:48 2007 From: jdowning at libertygrouponline.com (Joy Downing) Date: Mon Dec 3 12:20:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] envelope Message-ID: <037001c835d0$4a2e09e0$1401a8c0@JOY2> Does anyone have a source for a Carrier Envelope 6 x 9.25 closed face, 24# white wove. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Joy Downing The Liberty Group Bowling Green, KY From robin at protypeonline.com Mon Dec 3 12:24:33 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Mon Dec 3 12:24:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: OFF: Digital Photo Frames Message-ID: Dick, you can find the digital photo frames just about EVERYWHERE -- Target, WalMart, Best Buy, Circuit City, Ebay, Amazon -- any place that sells electronics. Thanks everyone or your input -- Now I've got some thinking to do because of the info. about the 7" frames only showing 5" of photo....the 10" frames are considerably more expensive, almost double but I guess it's time to share my good year with the rest of my family. Need one more question answered -- does the frame have to have a media card with photos on it? OR can I load pictures directly to the frame (do they have memory/storage without a media card?) using a USB cable connected to my laptop? Michelle -- how much snow do you have already? Jim has agreed to go on an Alaska "adventure" with me but he wants to cruise and I said, NO WAY - NO BOAT! :) Now I just need this rotten back to heal so we can make some plans. 3 printers on this list in Alaska, right? And all within reasonable (200 miles) of each other? Definitely a business trip! Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From list at interiorgraphics.com Mon Dec 3 12:47:53 2007 From: list at interiorgraphics.com (Michelle at Interior Graphics) Date: Mon Dec 3 12:48:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: Alaskan Weather Report In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <414C54FC-3AD7-4CA2-89D6-DE7C7E0ABBCF@interiorgraphics.com> Hey Robin! We'd love to have you visit. Travis, Chuck and I are all within 10 miles of each other, so for sure it would be "business". Let's see - today's weather is not much snow - I think we have 5 or so inches (it melted quite a bit). Temp outside is 4 degrees according to my in truck thermometer, and sunrise will be at 10:25 this morning. The sun will set at 2:56 pm. That gives us 4 hours and 31 minutes of daylight. We are loosing about 5 minutes a day until the 21st. Then we'll start gaining until June. So, get all healed up - we'd love to have you check out our neck of the woods. Of course, when it's sunny and warm! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michelle Maynor "Your Personal Printer" Interior Graphics & Printing 770 8th Avenue Fairbanks, AK 99701 907.456.4982 phone 907.452.6992 fax "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the most." - John Ruskin > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Dick, you can find the digital photo frames just about EVERYWHERE > -- Target, WalMart, Best Buy, Circuit City, Ebay, Amazon -- any > place that sells electronics. > Thanks everyone or your input -- Now I've got some thinking to do > because of the info. about the 7" frames only showing 5" of > photo....the 10" frames are considerably > more expensive, almost double but I guess it's time to share my > good year with the rest of my family. > Need one more question answered -- does the frame have to have a > media card with photos on it? OR can I load pictures directly to > the frame (do they have memory/storage without a media card?) using > a USB cable connected to my laptop? Michelle -- how much snow do > you have already? Jim has agreed to go on an Alaska "adventure" > with me but he wants to cruise and I said, NO WAY - NO BOAT! :) > Now I just need this rotten back to heal so we can make some plans. > 3 printers on this list in Alaska, right? And all within reasonable > (200 miles) of each other? Definitely a business trip! > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Mon Dec 3 14:17:09 2007 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Mon Dec 3 14:17:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] just testing please don't respond Message-ID: Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Mon Dec 3 14:40:24 2007 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Mon Dec 3 14:40:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Recession Planning Message-ID: <7828A0E5-F273-4E82-9EBF-5B0516210626@inkonpaper.biz> If your most trusted friend just returned from the future ( ie. Dec 2008 ) and told about the recession that was coming in March of 2008, what would you do now to make sure your would business survive? Would pack away cash? Spend more on advertising now? Cancel buying that new press or leasing that new copier? Sell your business quick? Look for another acquisition? Remember that you absolutely know a recession will hit in four months!! I think it will and want your help in planning for it. Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz From jgross at techiowa.com Mon Dec 3 14:49:29 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Mon Dec 3 14:50:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Recession Planning In-Reply-To: <7828A0E5-F273-4E82-9EBF-5B0516210626@inkonpaper.biz> Message-ID: <000301c835e5$a16f2da0$1e00000a@tech.local> I would get out of the stock market and into bonds, except banking bonds and conserve cash. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Loren Maurina Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 1:40 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Recession Planning ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** If your most trusted friend just returned from the future ( ie. Dec 2008 ) and told about the recession that was coming in March of 2008, what would you do now to make sure your would business survive? Would pack away cash? Spend more on advertising now? Cancel buying that new press or leasing that new copier? Sell your business quick? Look for another acquisition? Remember that you absolutely know a recession will hit in four months!! I think it will and want your help in planning for it. Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Mon Dec 3 15:29:06 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Dec 3 15:31:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Recession Planning References: <000301c835e5$a16f2da0$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: <03b101c835eb$26f77f40$0300a8c0@DANIEL> > I would get out of the stock market and into bonds, except banking bonds > and > conserve cash. ===================== Too late. The stock market, anticipating a recession has already dropped 10%. All you can do is run your business the best you can. Tighten up if possible, cut back an employee if possible, etc. If you have a strong business, look for opportunities to acquire equipment on the cheap or other business acquisitions. Recessions often present good buying opportunities. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From jodib at blackfoot.net Mon Dec 3 15:50:24 2007 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Mon Dec 3 15:51:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] envelope References: <037001c835d0$4a2e09e0$1401a8c0@JOY2> Message-ID: <00e201c835ee$214c0d60$0101a8c0@desktoppbl> Joy: You could contact Wholesale Envelope, Inc. (Lubbock Texas) 806-762-2255, fax 806-762-2729 or MeadWestvaco (they were at Graph Expo) and have plants all over the US 1-888-715-6641 www.mwvenvelopes.com Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing Missoula, Montana jodib@blackfoot.net 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Downing" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 10:16 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] envelope > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does anyone have a source for a Carrier Envelope 6 x 9.25 closed face, 24# > white wove. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks > Joy Downing > The Liberty Group > Bowling Green, KY > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From joseph at mauiprintworks.com Mon Dec 3 15:58:18 2007 From: joseph at mauiprintworks.com (Joseph Marsh) Date: Mon Dec 3 15:58:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Disciplinary Form for employee Message-ID: <0FFC4189-0ADF-447F-A471-59FCAA10B94E@mauiprintworks.com> I am wondering how others correct errors by employees. We ran a simple job this morning that needed to be padded in 100s. We always put the chipboard in at the press. My pressman has missed that for the 3rd time in 3 weeks. I have verbally told him what went wrong and showed him the job jacket and where he is suppose to look for it. I highlighted this job that it needed to be padded. Does anyone have a form they use to document these types of unproductive behaviors? Joseph Marsh Maui Print Works Phone: 808-242-6634 Fax: 808-242-8967 Cell: 808-264-6382 joseph@mauiprintworks.com From nbaker at perfpress.com Mon Dec 3 16:09:19 2007 From: nbaker at perfpress.com (Nate Baker) Date: Mon Dec 3 16:09:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Recession Planning In-Reply-To: <20071203205139.65560CC6C57@rb.enter.net> References: <20071203205139.65560CC6C57@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Look for sales opportunities. When the business climate changes, a customers are often more open to exploring new, more cost-effective vendors. Also, your competition is expecting to lose business, and as such might not fight as hard for a given order or customer because they think the loss was inevitable. Thanks, Nate Baker Perfection Press, Inc. 18009 Skypark Circle, Suite E Irvine, CA 92614 949-862-7482 direct 949-862-7484 fax nbaker@perfpress.com From huntleyw at bellsouth.net Mon Dec 3 17:00:41 2007 From: huntleyw at bellsouth.net (Bill Huntley) Date: Mon Dec 3 17:00:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Also a test Message-ID: <004b01c835f7$f3b811a0$2be60641@bills4drj3ddzy> Thank you , Bill Huntley Universal Copies Columbia, SC From tammie at macombprinter.com Mon Dec 3 17:00:19 2007 From: tammie at macombprinter.com (Tammie at Quickprinters) Date: Mon Dec 3 17:00:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quark to something else In-Reply-To: <00e201c835ee$214c0d60$0101a8c0@desktoppbl> Message-ID: If a customer has an old file in Quark (v. 3 or 4), can that be opened and modified in anything else? Indesign?? It is all text. Thanks, Tammie Tammie Speer ---------------------------------- Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS __________________________________ 1120 East Jackson Street Macomb, IL 61455 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From jodib at blackfoot.net Mon Dec 3 17:28:31 2007 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Mon Dec 3 17:29:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quark to something else References: Message-ID: <011601c835fb$d5947980$0101a8c0@desktoppbl> Hi Tammie: you should be able to open it in InDesign and since it is text, there shouldn't be any conflicts unless you don't have the same font they'd used, and then I'd just pre-flight it and substitute/match the font. Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing Missoula, Montana jodib@blackfoot.net 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tammie at Quickprinters" To: "Printowners List" Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 3:00 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Quark to something else > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > If a customer has an old file in Quark (v. 3 or 4), can that be opened and > modified in anything else? Indesign?? > > It is all text. > > Thanks, > Tammie > > > > Tammie Speer > ---------------------------------- > Tammie@MacombPrinter.com > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS > __________________________________ > 1120 East Jackson Street > Macomb, IL 61455 > 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 > http://www.macombprinter.com > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From jdaghir at gmail.com Tue Dec 4 08:06:43 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Tue Dec 4 08:07:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Quark to something else In-Reply-To: References: <00e201c835ee$214c0d60$0101a8c0@desktoppbl> Message-ID: <83d5b9620712040506m53435caexd52675fef575c14e@mail.gmail.com> I haven't ever tried it, but yes InDesign is supposed to be able to open older Quark files. Here's an Adobe knowledge base article about it: http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=329065&sliceId=1 -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Tammie said: > If a customer has an old file in Quark (v. 3 or 4), can that be opened and > modified in anything else? Indesign?? > > It is all text. From John at mpcny.com Tue Dec 4 09:11:27 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Tue Dec 4 09:13:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Recession Planning In-Reply-To: <20071203205139.65560CC6C57@rb.enter.net> References: <20071203205139.65560CC6C57@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <001301c8367f$8f987920$aec96b60$@com> I would vote Republican... The Recessions I have been in have actually been ok for me, receivables got longer but most firms started spending more money on print. You see what do you do when you're business is hurting? Cut back, then you find you need more sales so then what do you do? Spend money finding them and I am here ready to help with that (find customers and take your money) What I will do is hone my sales to that point. Want more business? Is a possibility of a Recession worrying you? Call me and let me show ways to rescission proof your sales... John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1169 - Release Date: 12/3/2007 10:56 PM From swiftyprinting at mac.com Tue Dec 4 09:23:10 2007 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Tue Dec 4 09:23:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Duplo-645 slitter/creaser Message-ID: Anyone purchase a DUplo-645 slitter/cutter/creaser recently? If so care to share your pricing. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com From oren66 at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 4 10:02:37 2007 From: oren66 at sbcglobal.net (Arie Teomi) Date: Tue Dec 4 10:03:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] envelope In-Reply-To: <037001c835d0$4a2e09e0$1401a8c0@JOY2> Message-ID: <154415.98636.qm@web83408.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Western State Envelope. They have an office in KY. 800-354-9806 Arie --- Joy Downing wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does anyone have a source for a Carrier Envelope 6 x > 9.25 closed face, 24# > white wove. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks > Joy Downing > The Liberty Group > Bowling Green, KY > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Arie Teomi LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.LastingImpressionDirect.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner From mail at myprinter.biz Tue Dec 4 10:25:33 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Tue Dec 4 10:24:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Recession Planning In-Reply-To: <001301c8367f$8f987920$aec96b60$@com> Message-ID: I would vote Republican... John Henry John - With the expectation that they'd do what, fill the ditch they dug for us or dig it deeper? right back at you. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of John Henry Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:11 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Recession Planning Importance: High ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I would vote Republican... The Recessions I have been in have actually been ok for me, receivables got longer but most firms started spending more money on print. You see what do you do when you're business is hurting? Cut back, then you find you need more sales so then what do you do? Spend money finding them and I am here ready to help with that (find customers and take your money) What I will do is hone my sales to that point. Want more business? Is a possibility of a Recession worrying you? Call me and let me show ways to rescission proof your sales... John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1169 - Release Date: 12/3/2007 10:56 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jgross at techiowa.com Tue Dec 4 10:33:37 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Tue Dec 4 10:34:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Recession Planning (off) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000f01c8368b$0d2a5010$1e00000a@tech.local> Iowa is interesting this month. Yesterday I listened to Joe Biden speak on foreign policy. Our foreign relations are critical. Global warming is a major concern, but nothing like nuclear proliferation. If these were the only issues to be concerned about, Biden is far above the others. I thought my mind was made up, now I'm not so sure. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:26 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Recession Planning ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I would vote Republican... John Henry John - With the expectation that they'd do what, fill the ditch they dug for us or dig it deeper? right back at you. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of John Henry Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:11 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Recession Planning Importance: High ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I would vote Republican... The Recessions I have been in have actually been ok for me, receivables got longer but most firms started spending more money on print. You see what do you do when you're business is hurting? Cut back, then you find you need more sales so then what do you do? Spend money finding them and I am here ready to help with that (find customers and take your money) What I will do is hone my sales to that point. Want more business? Is a possibility of a Recession worrying you? Call me and let me show ways to rescission proof your sales... John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1169 - Release Date: 12/3/2007 10:56 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Tue Dec 4 10:52:33 2007 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Tue Dec 4 10:51:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Disciplinary Form for employee In-Reply-To: <0FFC4189-0ADF-447F-A471-59FCAA10B94E@mauiprintworks.com> Message-ID: <20071204155109.ISFX6610.orval.can.rogers.com@w2k> No solution but I can confirm that press operators would rather die than do this. Gordon Watt XOXO Cyberprint Inc. Toronto -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Marsh Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 3:58 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Disciplinary Form for employee ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I am wondering how others correct errors by employees. We ran a simple job this morning that needed to be padded in 100s. We always put the chipboard in at the press. My pressman has missed that for the 3rd time in 3 weeks. I have verbally told him what went wrong and showed him the job jacket and where he is suppose to look for it. I highlighted this job that it needed to be padded. Does anyone have a form they use to document these types of unproductive behaviors? Joseph Marsh Maui Print Works Phone: 808-242-6634 Fax: 808-242-8967 Cell: 808-264-6382 joseph@mauiprintworks.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1167 - Release Date: 12/3/2007 12:20 PM From npiprinting at verizon.net Tue Dec 4 10:51:53 2007 From: npiprinting at verizon.net (Steve Fairchild) Date: Tue Dec 4 11:07:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Used Duplo 2 tower DC-80005 Message-ID: <47557799.9000304@verizon.net> Please respond if you can help. I am looking at a Duplo 8 bin each on 2 tower DC-8005 booklet maker for $21,000. If someone is familiar with this machine please respond. The serial No. indicates that it is about a 1993 model. -- Thanks, Charles S. Fairchild, President Nicholas Printing, Inc. 1109 Broad Street Summersville, WV 26651 1-304-872-5906 - Phone 1-304-872-5923 - Fax npiprinting@verizon.net www.nicholasprinting.com From mail at myprinter.biz Tue Dec 4 11:30:04 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Tue Dec 4 11:28:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Recession Planning (off) In-Reply-To: <000f01c8368b$0d2a5010$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: John - When the Florida recount was underway during the last Presidential election, I told a friend that the country had survived bigger bozos than either of the two finalists - one idiotic and/or delusional enough to have claimed, between pointifications, to have invented the internet, and the other the actual inventor and user of a language loosely based on English, not to mention a master of completely unjustified rigidity of thought. (History has shown that I might have been wrong about the "bigger bozos" part.) Biden's interesting, but so are several others. Unfortunately, none of the candidates from either party appear to have a combination of electability and the type of vision that would inspire us to make the sacrifices needed to strengthen us where we truly need strengthening. Foremost among them is to end our dependence on foreign oil so we give less of a damn what happens in the camel and 'naner republics under which much of the oil exists. Another is to stop pouring money - some of it mine - down foreign rat-holes and retain more of it for ourselves. (We're not quite as brazen as the folks in Baghdad when it comes to graft and corruption, but I'd just as soon our own politicians stole our money and kept it here.) Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of John Gross Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:34 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Recession Planning (off) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Iowa is interesting this month. Yesterday I listened to Joe Biden speak on foreign policy. Our foreign relations are critical. Global warming is a major concern, but nothing like nuclear proliferation. If these were the only issues to be concerned about, Biden is far above the others. I thought my mind was made up, now I'm not so sure. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:26 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Recession Planning ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I would vote Republican... John Henry John - With the expectation that they'd do what, fill the ditch they dug for us or dig it deeper? right back at you. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of John Henry Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:11 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Recession Planning Importance: High ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I would vote Republican... The Recessions I have been in have actually been ok for me, receivables got longer but most firms started spending more money on print. You see what do you do when you're business is hurting? Cut back, then you find you need more sales so then what do you do? Spend money finding them and I am here ready to help with that (find customers and take your money) What I will do is hone my sales to that point. Want more business? Is a possibility of a Recession worrying you? Call me and let me show ways to rescission proof your sales... John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1169 - Release Date: 12/3/2007 10:56 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Tue Dec 4 11:30:14 2007 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Tue Dec 4 11:30:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:Test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6FD04552-4CF9-4148-BF23-134425E09397@bellsouth.net> Thanks, Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Tue Dec 4 11:43:58 2007 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Tue Dec 4 11:44:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Are you having Posting Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Until yesterday, I was unable to post to the list or email Bob Bergey directly. Messages kept bouncing. Mark Stallings was kind enough to forward some questions to the list for me. In my post I mentioned my posting trouble. Several printers email me directly stating they were having the same problems. I suspect there are more out there! If you are presently having problems posting to the list, let me know and I will add you to the list. I'll try to forward these to Bob and see if he can identify what may be causing the problem... Thanks, Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 From owner at latsons.com Tue Dec 4 11:48:45 2007 From: owner at latsons.com (Dick Latson) Date: Tue Dec 4 11:49:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] test Message-ID: <200712041648.lB4GmkU5055308@pro35.abac.com> test? Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: owner@latsons.com www.latsons.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Dec 4 11:59:10 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Dec 4 11:59:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Recession Planning (off) Message-ID: In a message dated 12/4/2007 10:35:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jgross@techiowa.com writes: Iowa is interesting this month. Yesterday I listened to Joe Biden speak on foreign policy. Our foreign relations are critical. Global warming is a major concern, but nothing like nuclear proliferation. If these were the only issues to be concerned about, Biden is far above the others. Not sure if it is just me, but it looks to me like the country is no longer counting down days to Christmas, but rather even more so counting down the days to the primaries/caucuses in Iowa, Maine, NC, Florida and Super Tuesday. I for one, would love to see the selection process so up in the air with no clear majorities that it ends up going to the respective conventions. I remember a course in political science in college and one of the texts argued that all elections came down to voters deciding elections based upon "mind (intellectual)," "heart (emotional)" or "pocketbook (financial)" issues and that the outcome of almost all presidential elections could be categorized or defined as the result of the overwhelming impact of one of these issues over the others. Interestingly enough, Lou Dobbs has been at the forefront encouraging folks to leave both miserably run parties and to register as independents, but other than as a self-serving sense of rebellion, that seems to accomplish little considering the fact that there are so few independents running for office. I wish it weren't so but it is. I agree with John as to Joe Biden but do you seemingly waste a vote in Iowa or elsewhere voting for someone who while you may be convinced has the right talents for the right time, is not "charismatic" enough to win over enough of so many of the mindless voters out there who vote the same way their dad voted, or vote because the minister at their church supports someone else, or because the union they belong do has endorsed one of the major candidates. Very frustrating indeed. I sometimes wonder whether or not voters ought to be required to take some type of knowledge test before being allowed to cast a vote.... Multiple choice questions related to how many Congressmen, Senators, what are entitlements, and to be able to find on a map (within 500 miles) countries such as Afghanistan, Iraq, North Korea..... then maybe give a couple of bonus points if they have served in the military! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Dec 4 12:10:31 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Dec 4 12:10:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Disciplinary Form for employee Message-ID: In a message dated 12/4/2007 10:53:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com writes: I am wondering how others correct errors by employees. We ran a simple job this morning that needed to be padded in 100s. We always put the chipboard in at the press. My pressman has missed that for the 3rd time in 3 weeks. While you may use this process in your shop, I would say it is a minority practice in most shops. The latter prefer to run their presses at high speeds and count out the pads separately with a pad counter... unless you can program your press to stop every 100 while you insert a chipboard, I don't believe what you are doing is any faster in the long run, and it sure can be frustrating for a press operator having to monitor a counter on a press that is outputting 2 sheets a second.... I can certainly understand stress levels increasing significantly doing it your way. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From gamble at choiceonemail.com Tue Dec 4 12:10:44 2007 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Tue Dec 4 12:11:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:Test In-Reply-To: <6FD04552-4CF9-4148-BF23-134425E09397@bellsouth.net> References: <6FD04552-4CF9-4148-BF23-134425E09397@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <04d701c83698$9b974490$0301a8c0@RICK> Testing 1 2 3.. anybody out there...:) Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. Buffalo, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - fax Gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ben Travis Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:30 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:Test ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Thanks, Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From robin at protypeonline.com Tue Dec 4 12:25:23 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Tue Dec 4 12:25:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Used Duplo 2 tower DC-80005 Message-ID: <440B26E1-71C7-421A-A0AD-73D3A61B6CCB@protypeonline.com> Charles, we have a 10 bin, air feed, 10,000S, Duplo collator -- bought it used and my staff LOVES it. The collator will feed anything and everything unlike the 8 bin friction feed unit we had before. The bookletmaker and trimmer are also good and durable and give consistent quality. Easy to adjust and change from job to job. Good Luck -- $21,000 for the entire set-up sounds pretty good IF it is in good condition. Have you seen it? For some reason, the model number 8000 series....well, I seem to remember some discussion a couple years ago about this being "unusual" but I can't remember why. I hope I'm wrong and someone on this list can help you out. What does Duplo tell you about this set-up? Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From jgross at techiowa.com Tue Dec 4 12:26:19 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Tue Dec 4 12:26:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Recession Planning (off) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c8369a$c8a7e910$1e00000a@tech.local> John, on the subject of qualifying voters: The least informed don't seem to vote, and those who do vote tent to try to get informed on the issues that mean something to them. You know the importance of the "rule of large numbers" John; it is the same for the rule of a large number of voters, the outliers don't count for much and the others come to a definable focus, unless we use an electoral process that allows elections to be stolen, as in 2000 and 2004, where uncounted ballots bought Florida and Ohio. (IMHO) My big concern right now id that we have a fair election in 08 and to that concern I wonder: what is Karl Rove really doing? Was he TDY to Argentina to bust Chavez? These days I can see conspiracies everywhere. I must be believing all of the books I'm reading - it's in print so it must be true. (G) John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:59 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Recession Planning (off) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 12/4/2007 10:35:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jgross@techiowa.com writes: Iowa is interesting this month. Yesterday I listened to Joe Biden speak on foreign policy. Our foreign relations are critical. Global warming is a major concern, but nothing like nuclear proliferation. If these were the only issues to be concerned about, Biden is far above the others. Not sure if it is just me, but it looks to me like the country is no longer counting down days to Christmas, but rather even more so counting down the days to the primaries/caucuses in Iowa, Maine, NC, Florida and Super Tuesday. I for one, would love to see the selection process so up in the air with no clear majorities that it ends up going to the respective conventions. I remember a course in political science in college and one of the texts argued that all elections came down to voters deciding elections based upon "mind (intellectual)," "heart (emotional)" or "pocketbook (financial)" issues and that the outcome of almost all presidential elections could be categorized or defined as the result of the overwhelming impact of one of these issues over the others. Interestingly enough, Lou Dobbs has been at the forefront encouraging folks to leave both miserably run parties and to register as independents, but other than as a self-serving sense of rebellion, that seems to accomplish little considering the fact that there are so few independents running for office. I wish it weren't so but it is. I agree with John as to Joe Biden but do you seemingly waste a vote in Iowa or elsewhere voting for someone who while you may be convinced has the right talents for the right time, is not "charismatic" enough to win over enough of so many of the mindless voters out there who vote the same way their dad voted, or vote because the minister at their church supports someone else, or because the union they belong do has endorsed one of the major candidates. Very frustrating indeed. I sometimes wonder whether or not voters ought to be required to take some type of knowledge test before being allowed to cast a vote.... Multiple choice questions related to how many Congressmen, Senators, what are entitlements, and to be able to find on a map (within 500 miles) countries such as Afghanistan, Iraq, North Korea..... then maybe give a couple of bonus points if they have served in the military! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From smc at sorrentomesa.com Tue Dec 4 12:31:46 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Tue Dec 4 12:36:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (really really OFF) In-Reply-To: <000f01c8368b$0d2a5010$1e00000a@tech.local> References: <000f01c8368b$0d2a5010$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: <200712041735.lB4HZPwo015897@i2bnetworks.com> John, you hit a nerve this morning so let me post something I just have to get off my chest. Thank you for your indulgence..... Global Warming..... Before I was in printing, I was in Science. I'm published in the scientific literature (my lab techniques are credited in 3 papers) and my area of study from the University of California San Diego was Chemistry with an emphasis in Earth Sciences. So I studied the chemistry of the Earth, the oceans and the atmosphere. I understand more than most about the systems of the Earth, and I also understand more than most about how much we don't understand about the systems of the Earth. This is not a political post, it is one with a little bit of critical thinking, and that is all that I am trying to say here. There are many in this country and many throughout the world that are looking at all of this and saying "Yup up it must be happening" and taking it as fact. It is not fact. There may be a change in the climate happening, but change is normal for climate, it runs through cycles that can take 100's or 1000's or hundreds of thousands of years. Most people have no idea of the timelines of geological processes, millions of years is a hard concept to get your head around. Anyway, Global Warming is now a political movement and is almost like political correctness where its unpopular to voice any sentiment against what it takes for gospel...much like a religion. Has anybody thought about how the ice age happened. We weren't here to cause that so how did the Earth do that without our help? I would encourage those who are interested, to think about Solar Output and how it has changed over the span of the last 100 years. It turns out that solar output can change, (the sun runs though cycles too) and all of the energy that drives all the systems on the surface of the Earth (atmospheric weather and temperature, ocean currents and salinity gradients etc.) derive their source of energy from the sun. The geothermal systems (those under the surface) obviously are not influenced by solar output. The media is mostly ignorant about solar output as a cause. I believe many scientists are afraid to speak up because of political ramifications. Trust me when I say this...THE most political of occupations, is politics. THE second most political of occupations, is science. I would encourage all who want to think critically about this issue to Google global warming solar output. Read for yourself, look at the correlations. The short term climate is changing, but I can't say for a FACT why, neither can Al Gore or any other Gloabal Warming evangelista..... Put your preconceptions aside and read. And then tell others to read. Get informed before making your judgements about the Earth's climate. Thank you for your indulgence, off to my first client meeting of the day.... S. At 07:33 AM 12/4/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Iowa is interesting this month. Yesterday I listened to Joe Biden speak on >foreign policy. Our foreign relations are critical. Global warming is a >major concern, but nothing like nuclear proliferation. If these were the >only issues to be concerned about, Biden is far above the others. > >I thought my mind was made up, now I'm not so sure. > >John A. Gross >Technigraphics, Inc. >PO Box 1846 >Iowa City, Iowa 52244 >jgross@techiowa.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz >Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:26 AM >To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Recession Planning > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I would vote Republican... > >John Henry > >John - > >With the expectation that they'd do what, fill the ditch they dug for us or >dig it deeper? right back at you. > >Dan >Sir Speedy Printing Center >5845 Hollywood Boulevard >Hollywood, FL 33021 >tel. 954.962.1309 >fax 954.962.1366 >dan@myprinter.biz >www.myprinter.biz > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of John Henry >Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:11 AM >To: printowners@printweb.org >Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Recession Planning >Importance: High > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I would vote Republican... > > > > >The Recessions I have been in have actually been ok for me, receivables got >longer but most firms started spending more money on print. You see what do >you do when you're business is hurting? Cut back, then you find you need >more sales so then what do you do? Spend money finding them and I am here >ready to help with that (find customers and take your money) > >What I will do is hone my sales to that point. Want more business? Is a >possibility of a Recession worrying you? Call me and let me show ways to >rescission proof your sales... > >John M. Henry >Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company >125-129 East First Street >Oswego, New York 13126 >(315) 343-3531 >(315) 343-3577 Fax >www.mpcny.com >John@mpcny.com > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1169 - Release Date: 12/3/2007 >10:56 PM > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2701 (20071204) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From jeff at hprinting.biz Tue Dec 4 12:37:36 2007 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Tue Dec 4 12:38:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Recession Planning In-Reply-To: References: <20071203205139.65560CC6C57@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <20071204173738.9821.25566@hm-pop1.solinus.com> >Be debt free. It's a big advantage over your >competitors who have to still make payments on their equipment. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From doug at vipprinting.com Tue Dec 4 12:47:13 2007 From: doug at vipprinting.com (Douglas W. Rinnert) Date: Tue Dec 4 12:49:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (really really OFF) In-Reply-To: <200712041735.lB4HZPwo015897@i2bnetworks.com> References: <000f01c8368b$0d2a5010$1e00000a@tech.local> <200712041735.lB4HZPwo015897@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: Scott, Excellent post I couldn't agree more. There is so much misinformation out there it's good to hear some common sense for a change and with a recommendation to research the subject for ourselves before making any judgement. Thanks again, Doug Rinnert V.I.P. Printing & Design 9862 Crescent Park Drive West Chester, Ohio 45069 513.777.7468 office 513.777.7459 fax -- Doug Rinnert V.I.P. Printing & Design 9862 Crescent Park Drive West Chester, Ohio 45069 513.777.7468 office 513.777.7459 fax 513.623.6907 cell From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Tue Dec 4 12:53:57 2007 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Tue Dec 4 12:54:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (really really OFF) In-Reply-To: <200712041735.lB4HZPwo015897@i2bnetworks.com> References: <000f01c8368b$0d2a5010$1e00000a@tech.local> <200712041735.lB4HZPwo015897@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <47559435.1020308@sugarloafprint.com> It is amazing how little common sense prevails when it comes to global warming. So there is no misunderstanding I agree with Scott. On another note, two years of presidential campaigning has wore me out. I stopped listening to all the bullshit months ago. Scott Cappel wrote: > > > John, you hit a nerve this morning so let me post something I just > have to get off my chest. Thank you for your indulgence..... > > > Global Warming..... > > Before I was in printing, I was in Science. I'm published in the > scientific literature (my lab techniques are credited in 3 papers) and > my area of study from the University of California San Diego was > Chemistry with an emphasis in Earth Sciences. > > So I studied the chemistry of the Earth, the oceans and the > atmosphere. I understand more than most about the systems of the > Earth, and I also understand more than most about how much we don't > understand about the systems of the Earth. > > This is not a political post, it is one with a little bit of critical > thinking, and that is all that I am trying to say here. > > There are many in this country and many throughout the world that are > looking at all of this and saying "Yup up it must be happening" and > taking it as fact. > > It is not fact. There may be a change in the climate happening, but > change is normal for climate, it runs through cycles that can take > 100's or 1000's or hundreds of thousands of years. > Most people have no idea of the timelines of geological processes, > millions of years is a hard concept to get your head around. > > Anyway, Global Warming is now a political movement and is almost like > political correctness where its unpopular to voice any sentiment > against what it takes for gospel...much like a religion. > > Has anybody thought about how the ice age happened. We weren't here to > cause that so how did the Earth do that without our help? > > I would encourage those who are interested, to think about Solar > Output and how it has changed over the span of the last 100 years. It > turns out that solar output can change, (the sun runs though cycles > too) and all of the energy that drives all the systems on the surface > of the Earth (atmospheric weather and temperature, ocean currents and > salinity gradients etc.) derive their source of energy from the sun. > The geothermal systems (those under the surface) obviously are not > influenced by solar output. > > The media is mostly ignorant about solar output as a cause. I believe > many scientists are afraid to speak up because of political > ramifications. Trust me when I say this...THE most political of > occupations, is politics. THE second most political of occupations, is > science. > > I would encourage all who want to think critically about this issue to > Google global warming solar output. > > Read for yourself, look at the correlations. > > The short term climate is changing, but I can't say for a FACT why, > neither can Al Gore or any other Gloabal Warming evangelista..... > > Put your preconceptions aside and read. And then tell others to read. > Get informed before making your judgements about the Earth's climate. > > Thank you for your indulgence, off to my first client meeting of the > day.... > > > S. > > -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From jodib at blackfoot.net Tue Dec 4 13:12:07 2007 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Tue Dec 4 13:13:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Disciplinary Form for employee References: Message-ID: <007401c836a1$2ec4c0a0$0101a8c0@desktoppbl> We used to 'tab' with a small strip of vellum bristol, but my husband prints and is sometimes running two presses, shooting plates etc. soooooo, that said, he may tab a few sections and we then use a padding gauge (at least that is what we call it) to make the pads. We have two and one is always at 30 and the other at 50. Any other settings we can adjust Seems to go fairly quickly, but we now have our bindery person do this task. My husbands time is more valuable than having him slipsheet (we have a chain delivery and a 3302.... awkward to insert chipboard. hope this helps. Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing Missoula, Montana jodib@blackfoot.net 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Disciplinary Form for employee > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > In a message dated 12/4/2007 10:53:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com writes: > > I am wondering how others correct errors by employees. We ran a > simple job this morning that needed to be padded in 100s. We always > put the chipboard in at the press. My pressman has missed that for > the 3rd time in 3 weeks. > > > While you may use this process in your shop, I would say it is a minority > practice in most shops. The latter prefer to run their presses at high > speeds > and count out the pads separately with a pad counter... unless you can > program > your press to stop every 100 while you insert a chipboard, I don't believe > what you are doing is any faster in the long run, and it sure can be > frustrating for a press operator having to monitor a counter on a press > that is > outputting 2 sheets a second.... I can certainly understand stress levels > increasing > significantly doing it your way. > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's > hottest > products. > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From sgfinke at fuse.net Tue Dec 4 13:12:08 2007 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Tue Dec 4 13:14:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (really really OFF) In-Reply-To: <200712041735.lB4HZPwo015897@i2bnetworks.com> References: <000f01c8368b$0d2a5010$1e00000a@tech.local> <200712041735.lB4HZPwo015897@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: http://www.amazon.com/Politically-Incorrect-Global-Warming- Environmentalism/dp/1596985011 I went to high school with the guy who wrote this. Strangely enough I don't remember him at all. I haven't read the book, but I did read "The Coercive Utopians," a 1983 book about the environmental movement and the political push to take all kinds of extreme and unproven measures to remedy perceived (but often also unproven) problems. The one I remember most was smokescrubbers, which apparently eliminate certain chemicals from the atmosphere -- but no one was sure they were the right ones to eliminate. It's a pretty depressing book. I am skeptical of manmade Global Warming anyway (Anyone remember Global Cooling? Or the population explosion?) but that book makes you skeptical of everything. Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On Dec 4, 2007, at 12:31 PM, Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > John, you hit a nerve this morning so let me post something I just > have to get off my chest. Thank you for your indulgence..... > > > Global Warming..... > > Before I was in printing, I was in Science. I'm published in the > scientific literature (my lab techniques are credited in 3 papers) > and my area of study from the University of California San Diego > was Chemistry with an emphasis in Earth Sciences. > > So I studied the chemistry of the Earth, the oceans and the > atmosphere. I understand more than most about the systems of the > Earth, and I also understand more than most about how much we don't > understand about the systems of the Earth. > > This is not a political post, it is one with a little bit of > critical thinking, and that is all that I am trying to say here. > > There are many in this country and many throughout the world that > are looking at all of this and saying "Yup up it must be happening" > and taking it as fact. > > It is not fact. There may be a change in the climate happening, but > change is normal for climate, it runs through cycles that can take > 100's or 1000's or hundreds of thousands of years. > Most people have no idea of the timelines of geological processes, > millions of years is a hard concept to get your head around. > > Anyway, Global Warming is now a political movement and is almost > like political correctness where its unpopular to voice any > sentiment against what it takes for gospel...much like a religion. > > Has anybody thought about how the ice age happened. We weren't here > to cause that so how did the Earth do that without our help? > > I would encourage those who are interested, to think about Solar > Output and how it has changed over the span of the last 100 years. > It turns out that solar output can change, (the sun runs though > cycles too) and all of the energy that drives all the systems on > the surface of the Earth (atmospheric weather and temperature, > ocean currents and salinity gradients etc.) derive their source of > energy from the sun. The geothermal systems (those under the > surface) obviously are not influenced by solar output. > > The media is mostly ignorant about solar output as a cause. I > believe many scientists are afraid to speak up because of political > ramifications. Trust me when I say this...THE most political of > occupations, is politics. THE second most political of occupations, > is science. > > I would encourage all who want to think critically about this issue > to Google global warming solar output. > > Read for yourself, look at the correlations. > > The short term climate is changing, but I can't say for a FACT why, > neither can Al Gore or any other Gloabal Warming evangelista..... > > Put your preconceptions aside and read. And then tell others to > read. Get informed before making your judgements about the Earth's > climate. > > Thank you for your indulgence, off to my first client meeting of > the day.... > > > S. > > > > > > > > At 07:33 AM 12/4/2007, you wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Iowa is interesting this month. Yesterday I listened to Joe Biden >> speak on >> foreign policy. Our foreign relations are critical. Global >> warming is a >> major concern, but nothing like nuclear proliferation. If these >> were the >> only issues to be concerned about, Biden is far above the others. >> >> I thought my mind was made up, now I'm not so sure. >> >> John A. Gross >> Technigraphics, Inc. >> PO Box 1846 >> Iowa City, Iowa 52244 >> jgross@techiowa.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of >> mail@myprinter.biz >> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:26 AM >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Recession Planning >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I would vote Republican... >> >> John Henry >> >> John - >> >> With the expectation that they'd do what, fill the ditch they dug >> for us or >> dig it deeper? right back at you. >> >> Dan >> Sir Speedy Printing Center >> 5845 Hollywood Boulevard >> Hollywood, FL 33021 >> tel. 954.962.1309 >> fax 954.962.1366 >> dan@myprinter.biz >> www.myprinter.biz >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of John Henry >> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:11 AM >> To: printowners@printweb.org >> Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Recession Planning >> Importance: High >> >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I would vote Republican... >> >> >> >> >> The Recessions I have been in have actually been ok for me, >> receivables got >> longer but most firms started spending more money on print. You >> see what do >> you do when you're business is hurting? Cut back, then you find >> you need >> more sales so then what do you do? Spend money finding them and I >> am here >> ready to help with that (find customers and take your money) >> >> What I will do is hone my sales to that point. Want more business? >> Is a >> possibility of a Recession worrying you? Call me and let me show >> ways to >> rescission proof your sales... >> >> John M. Henry >> Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company >> 125-129 East First Street >> Oswego, New York 13126 >> (315) 343-3531 >> (315) 343-3577 Fax >> www.mpcny.com >> John@mpcny.com >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1169 - Release Date: >> 12/3/2007 >> 10:56 PM >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ NOD32 2701 (20071204) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Tue Dec 4 13:24:43 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Tue Dec 4 13:25:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Recession Planning Message-ID: I had situation like that back in Feb '89. I was attending an Owner's Conference in LAs Vegas. I forgot the speaker name that actually had told us to tighten our belt for the rest of the year. Anyway, I was foolish & said to myself what does he know! Hmmm Well I had such a great finish to that year, sales tripled. So I laughed about what that speaker had told us. Felt so confident I opened up a second location. Well let's just say I wasn't laughing anymore! The recession hit just around March '90. Eventually losing both stores. So if you have any inside info. past it along. Would pack away cash? Yes Spend more on advertising now? BIG Yes Cancel buying that new press or leasing that new copier? n/a Sell your business quick? NO Look for another acquisition? NO WAY! Village Duplicating & Graphics 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From joseph at mauiprintworks.com Tue Dec 4 13:26:20 2007 From: joseph at mauiprintworks.com (Joseph Marsh) Date: Tue Dec 4 13:26:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Disciplinary Form for employee In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <886E756F-3FD0-431B-835A-091777675BC7@mauiprintworks.com> I don't understand why a press operator wouldn't chip at press? We are running a QM 46-2 and not a larger format press. The only thing I can think of is that the press operator is inexperienced and can't get the ink set properly. If you learn how to set the ink balance properly during setup then you shouldn't need to constantly fuss with it during the run. The easiest way I have found to insert the chip is to get a chip in my hand, open the gate, and insert chip. It shouldn't take any more time to chip a job than to run it straight no chip. If chipping at press is a standard that we work by then how should I address this with my press operator? On Dec 4, 2007, at 7:10 AM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > In a message dated 12/4/2007 10:53:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com writes: > > I am wondering how others correct errors by employees. We ran a > simple job this morning that needed to be padded in 100s. We always > put the chipboard in at the press. My pressman has missed that for > the 3rd time in 3 weeks. > > > While you may use this process in your shop, I would say it is a > minority > practice in most shops. The latter prefer to run their presses at > high speeds > and count out the pads separately with a pad counter... unless you > can program > your press to stop every 100 while you insert a chipboard, I don't > believe > what you are doing is any faster in the long run, and it sure can be > frustrating for a press operator having to monitor a counter on a > press that is > outputting 2 sheets a second.... I can certainly understand stress > levels increasing > significantly doing it your way. > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http:// > www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of > 2007's hottest > products. > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007? > NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > Joseph Marsh Maui Print Works Phone: 808-242-6634 Fax: 808-242-8967 Cell: 808-264-6382 joseph@mauiprintworks.com From sos at olympus.net Tue Dec 4 13:27:58 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Dec 4 13:30:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (really really OFF) References: <000f01c8368b$0d2a5010$1e00000a@tech.local> <200712041735.lB4HZPwo015897@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <048b01c836a3$655a1230$0300a8c0@DANIEL> > Has anybody thought about how the ice age happened. We weren't here to > cause that so how did the Earth do that without our help? ===================== Actually we were here during the last ice age. That's how people migrated to the Americas, via the bridge of ice that joined the continents. But our smoky fires probably didn't contribute to all the snow. Where I am sitting right now was 3,000 feet under the surface of the ice 30,000 years ago. Having flown around here a lot at that altitude that's an amazing thought. Those glaciers have indeed retreated and they continue to retreat as the globe warms. They will continue to shrink until we have palm trees growing in Alaska again, with or without the help of humans. And then it will begin to cool. 30,000 years from now we'll probably be back in an ice age. Want to buy a Prius? That'll help. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From joseph at mauiprintworks.com Tue Dec 4 13:35:03 2007 From: joseph at mauiprintworks.com (Joseph Marsh) Date: Tue Dec 4 13:35:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Disciplinary Form for employee In-Reply-To: <007401c836a1$2ec4c0a0$0101a8c0@desktoppbl> References: <007401c836a1$2ec4c0a0$0101a8c0@desktoppbl> Message-ID: <700BE6E8-1D64-473B-A65B-A75B9433D8F4@mauiprintworks.com> Thanks for the input Jodi. I wasn't thinking about the press operators that run 2 presses. Our operator just runs the QM 46 so he shouldn't have worry about all the extra operational issues. On Dec 4, 2007, at 8:12 AM, Jodi Bowser wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We used to 'tab' with a small strip of vellum bristol, but my > husband prints and is sometimes running two presses, shooting plates > etc. soooooo, that said, he may tab a few sections and we then use > a padding gauge (at least that is what we call it) to make the pads. > We have two and one is always at 30 and the other at 50. Any other > settings we can adjust Seems to go fairly quickly, but we now > have our bindery person do this task. My husbands time is more > valuable than having him slipsheet (we have a chain delivery and a > 3302.... > awkward to insert chipboard. > > hope this helps. > > Jodi Bowser > Pyramid Printing > Missoula, Montana > jodib@blackfoot.net > 406-728-1503 > fax 406-728-0505 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:10 AM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Disciplinary Form for employee > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> In a message dated 12/4/2007 10:53:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com writes: >> >> I am wondering how others correct errors by employees. We ran a >> simple job this morning that needed to be padded in 100s. We always >> put the chipboard in at the press. My pressman has missed that for >> the 3rd time in 3 weeks. >> >> >> While you may use this process in your shop, I would say it is a >> minority >> practice in most shops. The latter prefer to run their presses at >> high speeds >> and count out the pads separately with a pad counter... unless you >> can program >> your press to stop every 100 while you insert a chipboard, I don't >> believe >> what you are doing is any faster in the long run, and it sure can be >> frustrating for a press operator having to monitor a counter on a >> press that is >> outputting 2 sheets a second.... I can certainly understand >> stress levels increasing >> significantly doing it your way. >> >> John Stewart >> Q. P. Consulting, Inc. >> Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http:// >> www.printshopsforsale.net/) >> >> by Larry Hunt & John Stewart >> >> 2110 S. Dairy Road >> West Melbourne, FL 32904 >> 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 >> Cell: 321-794-6259 >> _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) >> "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." >> >> >> >> **************************************Check out AOL's list of >> 2007's hottest >> products. >> (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007? >> NCID=aoltop00030000000001) >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > Joseph Marsh Maui Print Works Phone: 808-242-6634 Fax: 808-242-8967 Cell: 808-264-6382 joseph@mauiprintworks.com From bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com Tue Dec 4 13:36:54 2007 From: bbahn at creativeimaginginc.com (Bernard Bahn) Date: Tue Dec 4 13:36:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (really really OFF) In-Reply-To: <200712041735.lB4HZPwo015897@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: Why am I not surprised that Scott is a scientist? It was all I could do to get out of college - period. Brains, ambition, and selling skills is a great combination. I can't do much about the brain thing, but I'm working on the other two. Again Scott, thanks for all your contributions to the list. Respectfully, Bernie Bahn | President | Creative Imaging Inc 1568 Fencorp Drive, STE. 200 | St. Louis MO 63026 Office 636-717-0690 ext 102 | Fax 636-717-0695 | bbahn@creativeimaginginc.com http://www.creativeimaginginc.com Xerox iGen3 on demand color printing and copying From robin at protypeonline.com Tue Dec 4 13:39:53 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Tue Dec 4 13:40:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Dibipak? Message-ID: Anyone know where I can purchase a new Dibipak shrink wrap machine in Illinois? I've talked with my paper supplier and they don't offer this brand. One other equipment dealer I use from Springfield hasn't heard of it? I've already decided to purchase Dibipak -- I just need to find a dealer and get a price. Quick question: what is the big difference between the 1217 T model and the "Baby pak" ? Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From russ at mobile-print.com Tue Dec 4 13:41:23 2007 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Tue Dec 4 13:42:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (really really OFF) In-Reply-To: References: <000f01c8368b$0d2a5010$1e00000a@tech.local> <200712041735.lB4HZPwo015897@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <47559F53.1000105@mobile-print.com> > I am skeptical of manmade Global Warming anyway (Anyone remember > Global Cooling? Or the population explosion?) One has to use some judgment & common sense when thinking about these matters. I do think that there is a very high likelihood that human activities are harming the atmosphere and our planet. In fact, I think we can all agree that there are some serious problems with water pollution, air pollution, etc. But the big, unanswered question is just how much does all this affect the entire planetary system. I don't think anyone can give a definitive answer at this time. Population 'explosion' - I see new housing developments going up everywhere. All the roads are crowded (and most of these drivers are idiots!). Family farms are converted into subdivisions. Factory farms produce more & more 'enhanced', lower-quality foodstuffs to feed an increasing population. The U.S. spends billions to help feed & clothe the rest of the world. I don't think it's as dire as the extremists used to predict, but I have little doubt that the growing population is reducing my quality of life. Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com From awbunny at earthlink.net Tue Dec 4 14:02:12 2007 From: awbunny at earthlink.net (Amy Watson) Date: Tue Dec 4 14:02:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Used Duplo 2 tower DC-80005 In-Reply-To: <47557799.9000304@verizon.net> References: <47557799.9000304@verizon.net> Message-ID: <218B7710-34E3-4B7C-AA97-1117298F6B7D@earthlink.net> Charles, I would research for techs and parts for this machine. We passed on a single tower(8000 series) about 9 months ago and just bought a 2 tower (20 bin) DC10000s w/bookletmaker, trimmer and stacker for $20,000 last week. Our factory mechanic told us to stay away from that series (8000) from a parts availability stand point. Even ours is not supported by Duplo anymore and it is only 7 years old! We are looking at replacing in 2 or 3 years if necessary. Beyond the tower is the age of the bookletmaker. Some new towers are coupled with older model bookletmakers when new, that will kill you on parts. There is no easy answer, Horizon stopped support on the MC80 series as well. This is from a factory trained mechanic that was looking out for our best interest without selling any equipment to us. He has customers furious about no support from a system only 5 to 7 years old. 21 grand is a lot for a system this age with a limited parts supply. We have seen newer tower system go for the same or less on the west coast. It is worth what you want to pay. Ours was listed at $28,000 without commission and tax. We got it for 20 out the door because that is what it is worth in my humble opinion. E-mails from the tech and a broad listing of other systems for sale helped. We have learned the hard way about parts support (exit the Sulby Mark III, enter a Horizon BQ270 perfect binder) and now spend a lot of time researching machines and support. It is amazing what is for sale out there and the lack of knowledge of the people selling it. Btw we are a 2 1/2 person shop and this upgrade was a big step for us but hopefully a safe one. Good luck! Call if you need any info that we can pass on. Richard Northam 1984 PRINTING 674 23rd Street Oakland, CA 94612 510.551.7209 richard@1984printing.com www.1984printing.com On Dec 4, 2007, at 7:51 AM, Steve Fairchild wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Please respond if you can help. > I am looking at a Duplo 8 bin each on 2 tower DC-8005 booklet maker > for $21,000. If someone is familiar with this machine please > respond. The serial No. indicates that it is about a 1993 model. > -- > Thanks, > > Charles S. Fairchild, President > > Nicholas Printing, Inc. > 1109 Broad Street > Summersville, WV 26651 > > 1-304-872-5906 - Phone > 1-304-872-5923 - Fax > > npiprinting@verizon.net > www.nicholasprinting.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From bob at rjmprinting.com Tue Dec 4 14:01:59 2007 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Tue Dec 4 14:02:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Dibipak? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The dealer here in Minneapolis is: Quality Equipment Bruce 763-784-1079 He maybe able to help you. Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 12:40 PM To: printowners printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Dibipak? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Anyone know where I can purchase a new Dibipak shrink wrap machine in Illinois? I've talked with my paper supplier and they don't offer this brand. One other equipment dealer I use from Springfield hasn't heard of it? I've already decided to purchase Dibipak -- I just need to find a dealer and get a price. Quick question: what is the big difference between the 1217 T model and the "Baby pak" ? Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jodib at blackfoot.net Tue Dec 4 14:12:01 2007 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Tue Dec 4 14:12:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Disciplinary Form for employee References: <007401c836a1$2ec4c0a0$0101a8c0@desktoppbl> <700BE6E8-1D64-473B-A65B-A75B9433D8F4@mauiprintworks.com> Message-ID: <00a801c836a9$8cc85010$0101a8c0@desktoppbl> Maybe you could take a bright colorful (8.5 x 14) piece of cover, and at the top have the word padding laminate it and stick it in your job jacket (on most 8.5 x 11 orders it would stick out the top....maybe that would help him out. I know my husband is usually focused on the printing area only (as that is what concerns his area) as for a disciplinary form, I'm not familiar with one. You could probably chart his good perf. from unsatis. and have something to review with him quarterly (or whenever you do reviews). Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing Missoula, Montana jodib@blackfoot.net 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Marsh" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Disciplinary Form for employee > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Thanks for the input Jodi. I wasn't thinking about the press operators > that run 2 presses. Our operator just runs the QM 46 so he shouldn't > have worry about all the extra operational issues. > > > On Dec 4, 2007, at 8:12 AM, Jodi Bowser wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> We used to 'tab' with a small strip of vellum bristol, but my husband >> prints and is sometimes running two presses, shooting plates >> etc. soooooo, that said, he may tab a few sections and we then use a >> padding gauge (at least that is what we call it) to make the pads. >> We have two and one is always at 30 and the other at 50. Any other >> settings we can adjust Seems to go fairly quickly, but we now have our >> bindery person do this task. My husbands time is more valuable than >> having him slipsheet (we have a chain delivery and a 3302.... >> awkward to insert chipboard. >> >> hope this helps. >> >> Jodi Bowser >> Pyramid Printing >> Missoula, Montana >> jodib@blackfoot.net >> 406-728-1503 >> fax 406-728-0505 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:10 AM >> Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Disciplinary Form for employee >> >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 12/4/2007 10:53:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>> gordwatt@xoxocyberprint.com writes: >>> >>> I am wondering how others correct errors by employees. We ran a >>> simple job this morning that needed to be padded in 100s. We always >>> put the chipboard in at the press. My pressman has missed that for >>> the 3rd time in 3 weeks. >>> >>> >>> While you may use this process in your shop, I would say it is a >>> minority >>> practice in most shops. The latter prefer to run their presses at high >>> speeds >>> and count out the pads separately with a pad counter... unless you can >>> program >>> your press to stop every 100 while you insert a chipboard, I don't >>> believe >>> what you are doing is any faster in the long run, and it sure can be >>> frustrating for a press operator having to monitor a counter on a >>> press that is >>> outputting 2 sheets a second.... I can certainly understand stress >>> levels increasing >>> significantly doing it your way. >>> >>> John Stewart >>> Q. P. Consulting, Inc. >>> Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http:// www.printshopsforsale.net/) >>> >>> by Larry Hunt & John Stewart >>> >>> 2110 S. Dairy Road >>> West Melbourne, FL 32904 >>> 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 >>> Cell: 321-794-6259 >>> _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) >>> "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." >>> >>> >>> >>> **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's >>> hottest >>> products. >>> (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007? >>> NCID=aoltop00030000000001) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > Joseph Marsh > Maui Print Works > Phone: 808-242-6634 > Fax: 808-242-8967 > Cell: 808-264-6382 > joseph@mauiprintworks.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Tue Dec 4 14:17:03 2007 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Tue Dec 4 14:17:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Disciplinary Form for employee In-Reply-To: <886E756F-3FD0-431B-835A-091777675BC7@mauiprintworks.com> References: <886E756F-3FD0-431B-835A-091777675BC7@mauiprintworks.com> Message-ID: <4755A7AF.5070100@satx.rr.com> I can't see any reason to chip at press. The thing is running at 10,000 IPH and you have to try to keep track to throw a chip board in every 100? I would not work anywhere that did such a waste of press operator time. The press op can't even watch ink and do that, let alone prep the next job by getting paper and ink with the plate and ticket. Get a pad counter. Not one of the aluminum ones, get one made of steel so it does not flex. The time you are trying to save in the bindery is worth less than the time you are wasting in the pressroom. I've only been doing this for 33 years so what do I know. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Joseph Marsh wrote: > > I don't understand why a press operator wouldn't chip at press? We > are running a QM 46-2 and not a larger format press. The only thing I > can think of is that the press operator is inexperienced and can't get > the ink set properly. If you learn how to set the ink balance > properly during setup then you shouldn't need to constantly fuss with > it during the run. The easiest way I have found to insert the chip is > to get a chip in my hand, open the gate, and insert chip. It > shouldn't take any more time to chip a job than to run it straight no > chip. > > If chipping at press is a standard that we work by then how should I > address this with my press operator? > > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Dec 4 14:14:34 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Dec 4 14:21:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Dibipak? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0712041114l661ee681v4d23eb031f11d31d@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 4, 2007 1:39 PM, Robin Niewold wrote: > > Anyone know where I can purchase a new Dibipak shrink wrap machine in > Illinois? Call Peter at ProPack (in NJ) -- www.shrinkfilm.com/machinery/one-step.htm -- 201-871-8787. They are the importers of it. They also sell direct. Peter will steer you in the right direction. You might want to consider a larger model with a magnetic holddown. Much faster, and you won't be fighting the maximum size of the BabyPak when you have to wrap 11x17. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From robin at protypeonline.com Tue Dec 4 14:31:07 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Tue Dec 4 14:31:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Disciplinary Form for employee Message-ID: <9A40A728-5044-437E-84E5-DC5C0BA5754A@protypeonline.com> We put the strip inserter on our QM46-2..cost around $2000 but freed up my press operator to do other things while the press was running. Paid for itself in no time at all! robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From mail at myprinter.biz Tue Dec 4 14:34:58 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Tue Dec 4 14:32:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (really really OFF) In-Reply-To: <048b01c836a3$655a1230$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: "30,000 years from now we'll probably be back in an ice age. Want to buy a Prius? That'll help." Dan Huntingford Dan - Now THERE'S an impressive warranty. I'd have guessed that only a VW would still be able to start under all that ice. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Dan Huntingford Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:28 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (really really OFF) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > Has anybody thought about how the ice age happened. We weren't here to > cause that so how did the Earth do that without our help? ===================== Actually we were here during the last ice age. That's how people migrated to the Americas, via the bridge of ice that joined the continents. But our smoky fires probably didn't contribute to all the snow. Where I am sitting right now was 3,000 feet under the surface of the ice 30,000 years ago. Having flown around here a lot at that altitude that's an amazing thought. Those glaciers have indeed retreated and they continue to retreat as the globe warms. They will continue to shrink until we have palm trees growing in Alaska again, with or without the help of humans. And then it will begin to cool. 30,000 years from now we'll probably be back in an ice age. Want to buy a Prius? That'll help. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jim at visaliaidea.com Tue Dec 4 14:34:33 2007 From: jim at visaliaidea.com (James Laber) Date: Tue Dec 4 14:35:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] SCAM In-Reply-To: <20071204182644.A47FBCCAF68@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <004701c836ac$b27906d0$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local> Below is the message that was sent to us this morning. I think this was circulating on the list a week or two ago. We already had a call on Friday from the same guy and he offered to pay with 2 credit cards spreading it across both. My CSR's thought something was funny and called our credit card processing company and the numbers don't belong to him. What is the scam. He is in Florida asking for someone in California to produce what could be made in his own backyard and says he will personally pick them up. In this appeal he will send a truck. What is the angle here. I guess I am smart enough to know better but dense enough to miss the way this works for him. Jim Laber Idea! Printing & Graphics Inc 1921 E Main St Visalia CA 93292 559-733-4149 X118 Fax: 559-636-3690 jim@visaliaidea.com http://www.visaliaidea.com/ From: Mark Lawson [mailto:marklawson40@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:33 AM To: orders@visaliaidea.com Subject: urgent order Hello Sir/Madam, My name is Rev Mark lawson and want to inquire if you can assist me purchase a 3 by 8 banners for an orphanage programme. Below is the writtings i want on the size 3 by 8 banner; Adopt an Orphan,Please pray and encourage our orphanage children home by providing shelter, food, clothes, educational material and etc. Please reply Asap. with a quote per banner,form of payment you accept and your address so i can place this urgent order now.Please dont include shipping charges since i will be contacting a trucking company to come and convey them when ready for pick up. Regards Rev.Mark Lawson From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Tue Dec 4 14:38:15 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Tue Dec 4 14:39:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Dibipak? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thompson Direct 2397 Von Esch Rd Plainfield, IL 60544 815-609-5164 Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 12:40 PM To: printowners printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Dibipak? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Anyone know where I can purchase a new Dibipak shrink wrap machine in Illinois? I've talked with my paper supplier and they don't offer this brand. One other equipment dealer I use from Springfield hasn't heard of it? I've already decided to purchase Dibipak -- I just need to find a dealer and get a price. Quick question: what is the big difference between the 1217 T model and the "Baby pak" ? Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.08700 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.08700 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From tufelkinder at gmail.com Tue Dec 4 14:40:44 2007 From: tufelkinder at gmail.com (Walt) Date: Tue Dec 4 14:41:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (really really OFF) In-Reply-To: <47559F53.1000105@mobile-print.com> References: <000f01c8368b$0d2a5010$1e00000a@tech.local> <200712041735.lB4HZPwo015897@i2bnetworks.com> <47559F53.1000105@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: <84f70d5e0712041140v8055a68lb88bce89398014d0@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 4, 2007 1:41 PM, Russ Peters wrote: > > One has to use some judgment & common sense when thinking about these > matters. I do think that there is a very high likelihood that human > activities are harming the atmosphere and our planet. In fact, I think > we can all agree that there are some serious problems with water > pollution, air pollution, etc. But the big, unanswered question is just > how much does all this affect the entire planetary system. I don't think > anyone can give a definitive answer at this time. Common sense is a misnomer: it's far from common. There are a lot of definitive answers to be had about climate _science_. It's the pseudoscience hysteria that avoids definitive answers. Great post, Scott. http://www.intelligencesquaredus.org/Event.aspx?Event=12 (npr debate) http://www.iq2us.org/downloads/global_warming.mp3 (direct link to debate audio) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDI2NVTYRXU (Al Gore debates the issue*) http://junkscience.com http://climateaudit.org http://www.nationalcenter.org/Blog.html http://envirotruth.org http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9780521010689 This is just the tip of the iceberg of accurate information that is out there for anyone who genuinely wants to be informed instead of living in fear. The latter is one of the most assaulted books written in the last decade and yet virtually none of what he proves has been shown to be in error. > Population 'explosion' - I see new housing developments going up > everywhere. All the roads are crowded (and most of these drivers are > idiots!). Family farms are converted into subdivisions. The U.S. is one of the few developed countries that is even evidencing population growth. Germany, Japan, Australia -- they would _love_ to have population growth. But even in the U.S. we're barely there at a 2.1 birth rate. > ... I have little doubt that the growing population is > reducing my quality of life. But increasing your business, your labor pool, the variety of products available for purchase, and improving technology...? Whether the glass is half empty or half full all depends on how you look at life I guess. http://despair.com/pessimistsmug.html Walt Shenberger Mercersburg Printing Mercersburg, PA http://mercersburg.net 800-955-3902 tufelkinder@gmail.com * sort of: rather against his will -~ Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so. -- Bertrand Russell From printer at ptialaska.net Tue Dec 4 14:45:12 2007 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Tue Dec 4 14:45:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (really really OFF) In-Reply-To: <200712041735.lB4HZPwo015897@i2bnetworks.com> References: <000f01c8368b$0d2a5010$1e00000a@tech.local> <200712041735.lB4HZPwo015897@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: On Dec 4, 2007, at 8:31 AM, Scott Cappel wrote: > Global Warming..... > There are many in this country and many throughout the world that > are looking at all of this and saying "Yup up it must be happening" > and taking it as fact. > > It is not fact. REPLY: SCOTT, say it isnt so, why would Hollywood, the music industry, the UN, assorted democrats (and a few republicans) lie to us??? SAY IT AINT SO, in Alaska we took a vote and it was a RESOUNDING YES for Global Warming. Brrrrr.... Where is Robert Redford when you need him? _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From char at themasterspress.com Tue Dec 4 14:47:43 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Tue Dec 4 14:48:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Dibipak? In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0712041114l661ee681v4d23eb031f11d31d@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5b19a0712041114l661ee681v4d23eb031f11d31d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <008401c836ae$934d5f70$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Robin I have the DibiPak 4255. Works great. Like Michael said it is a little bigger but much more productive. Tell Peter where you are getting his name. I have been trying to get him to come to the NAQP conference and do a booth. He says he will but can't get a commitment from him. Knowing you got his name from other printers might convince him he needs to be part of our group and give us a group discount. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:15 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Dibipak? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Dec 4, 2007 1:39 PM, Robin Niewold wrote: > > Anyone know where I can purchase a new Dibipak shrink wrap machine in > Illinois? Call Peter at ProPack (in NJ) -- www.shrinkfilm.com/machinery/one-step.htm -- 201-871-8787. They are the importers of it. They also sell direct. Peter will steer you in the right direction. You might want to consider a larger model with a magnetic holddown. Much faster, and you won't be fighting the maximum size of the BabyPak when you have to wrap 11x17. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From russ at mobile-print.com Tue Dec 4 14:55:02 2007 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Tue Dec 4 14:55:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] SCAM In-Reply-To: <004701c836ac$b27906d0$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local> References: <004701c836ac$b27906d0$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local> Message-ID: <4755B096.3050201@mobile-print.com> I know a local guy who was approached by a similar scam. The real scam is the shipping. He will use his shipper, but will ask you to pay the shipping bill yourself, then bill him for it in turn. His credit cards (which he'll claim are actually his parishoners) will be bad, and you will be out both your cost for the product and whatever you shelled out for shipping. If you want to mess with him, reply back and say you only accept cash payments! Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com James Laber wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Below is the message that was sent to us this morning. I think this was > circulating on the list a week or two ago. We already had a call on Friday > from the same guy and he offered to pay with 2 credit cards spreading it > across both. My CSR's thought something was funny and called our credit card > processing company and the numbers don't belong to him. What is the scam. He > is in Florida asking for someone in California to produce what could be made > in his own backyard and says he will personally pick them up. In this appeal > he will send a truck. What is the angle here. I guess I am smart enough to > know better but dense enough to miss the way this works for him. > Jim Laber > Idea! Printing & Graphics Inc > 1921 E Main St > Visalia CA 93292 > 559-733-4149 X118 > Fax: 559-636-3690 > jim@visaliaidea.com > http://www.visaliaidea.com/ > > > From: Mark Lawson [mailto:marklawson40@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:33 AM > To: orders@visaliaidea.com > Subject: urgent order > > Hello Sir/Madam, > > My name is Rev Mark lawson and want to inquire if you can assist me purchase > a 3 by 8 banners for an orphanage programme. > > Below is the writtings i want on the size 3 by 8 banner; > > > Adopt an Orphan,Please pray and encourage our orphanage children home by > providing shelter, food, clothes, educational material and etc. > > Please reply Asap. with a quote per banner,form of payment you accept and > your address so i can place this urgent order now.Please dont include > shipping charges since i will be contacting a trucking company to come and > convey them when ready for pick up. > > > > Regards > > Rev.Mark Lawson > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Dec 4 14:55:47 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Dec 4 14:56:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Disciplinary Form for employee Message-ID: In a message dated 12/4/2007 1:30:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, joseph@mauiprintworks.com writes: I don't understand why a press operator wouldn't chip at press? We are running a QM 46-2 and not a larger format press. I am just questioning the accuracy of padding in that method, especially if the press is running at 8000 per hour equates to 2.2 sheets through per second.... if you are late by a second or two then you have too many in one pad and two few in the next or maybe the count just isn't that important. Would you chip on press for pads of 25? If so, I would love to see it done at 8M per hour. That would mean inserting a chipboard every 11 seconds at 8M.... I could understand a guy getting a bit frazzled having to do that. I would rather see a press operator running the press at maximum speed and then jump to another job or washup while someone at a far lower pay rate do the "grunt work." I am not arguing with you, but I am saying it is not the common or most popular way. I believe it is more efficient, most times, to separate printing functions from bindery functions. For the same reason, you will find that most number is done off-line in this country as opposed to on-line. I say in this country, because in other countries such as Australia and Great Britain numbering on-line is quite common. There are reasons for this but no time to explain. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From Susan at cdandp.net Tue Dec 4 17:59:07 2007 From: Susan at cdandp.net (Susan Compton) Date: Tue Dec 4 14:59:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pay Instead of Vacation Message-ID: <02fc01c836c9$46724740$8302a8c0@Robbin> Dear Printowner Friends, I've had an employee ask me if she might exchange a week of vacation she has coming for the pay she would receive during the week. Her husband is out of work, and they could certainly use the money. However, I've never done this before. Are there any legal ramifications to this? Thanks! Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Steet Lexington, VA 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net From bherion at bucksdigital.com Tue Dec 4 15:01:02 2007 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Tue Dec 4 15:01:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Disciplinary Form for employee In-Reply-To: <20071204182644.A47FBCCAF68@rb.enter.net> References: <20071204182644.A47FBCCAF68@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071204145133.03472f18@bucksdigital.com> At 01:26 PM 12/4/2007, you wrote: >If chipping at press is a standard that we work by then how should I >address this with my press operator? Joe, your shop...your rules. If an employee doesn't perform the tasks as you assign and expect them to be you address it immediately. Perhaps, this person needs training in the method? Practice with a clean press. Or, is it forgetful? Explain that its no less important than anything else and he must not forget (maybe a note on the job jacket to jog his memory). Is it refusal? I tend to pick my battles and if this was one that meant much to me I would hand him a written warning, followed through to the end (termination). Hope that helps. Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From insty_prints at bpandi.com Tue Dec 4 15:02:44 2007 From: insty_prints at bpandi.com (insty_prints at bpandi.com) Date: Tue Dec 4 15:03:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] We need comical Event Speakers - suggestions? Message-ID: I have the dubious honor of being the Chairperson for the California Association of Business Printers (CABP for short) annual "Sun Your Buns" event, to be held at the end of May 2008 in San Luis Obispo. Where we try and increase the knowledge of our members regarding different facets of the printing business. I am looking for speakers, preferably from within the printing business who have a humorous presentation, taking into consideration that this is a not-for-profit group, where 100% pay raise is still zero. Any suggestions, phone numbers, e-mail addresses would be gratefully received. Also, anyone who wants to join the group (we have about 90 members at the moment), please e-mail me separately and I can send you the info about CABP. Thank you. Bob Cook -- insty_prints at bpandi Business Printing and Imaging 24414 S. Main St., Suite 203, Carson, CA 90745 310-856-0532 Fax 310-856-0534 email: insty_prints@bpandi.com www.bpandi.com Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Approved Microsoft Publisher Service Provider This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by telephone or by return email, and please permanently delete the original and any copy of this message, its attachments, and any printout thereof. All content included with this email is ?2007 Business Printing and Imaging and may not be reproduced or used without written permission. From mail at myprinter.biz Tue Dec 4 15:09:32 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Tue Dec 4 15:07:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (really really OFF) In-Reply-To: <200712041735.lB4HZPwo015897@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: Scott - I agree with you completely (God help you), with the understanding the certainty in either camp is outright foolish, and to some degree that argues for caution on our part. What is certain is that the fear that we might be contributing to an irreversible calamity is central to the disagreement, and those that don't believe that man's activities are critically important to global warming are being put in the unenviable (no: impossible) position of trying to prove an a priori negative (i.e., "prove now that ____ isn't going to happen if we do/don't ____). While possibly unsatisfying, the problem is so complex that in much the same way that we can't quantify how much of where we are now is because of what we've done to date, we'll never know exactly how much our future activities contributed to whatever occurs. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 12:32 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (really really OFF) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** John, you hit a nerve this morning so let me post something I just have to get off my chest. Thank you for your indulgence..... Global Warming..... Before I was in printing, I was in Science. I'm published in the scientific literature (my lab techniques are credited in 3 papers) and my area of study from the University of California San Diego was Chemistry with an emphasis in Earth Sciences. So I studied the chemistry of the Earth, the oceans and the atmosphere. I understand more than most about the systems of the Earth, and I also understand more than most about how much we don't understand about the systems of the Earth. This is not a political post, it is one with a little bit of critical thinking, and that is all that I am trying to say here. There are many in this country and many throughout the world that are looking at all of this and saying "Yup up it must be happening" and taking it as fact. It is not fact. There may be a change in the climate happening, but change is normal for climate, it runs through cycles that can take 100's or 1000's or hundreds of thousands of years. Most people have no idea of the timelines of geological processes, millions of years is a hard concept to get your head around. Anyway, Global Warming is now a political movement and is almost like political correctness where its unpopular to voice any sentiment against what it takes for gospel...much like a religion. Has anybody thought about how the ice age happened. We weren't here to cause that so how did the Earth do that without our help? I would encourage those who are interested, to think about Solar Output and how it has changed over the span of the last 100 years. It turns out that solar output can change, (the sun runs though cycles too) and all of the energy that drives all the systems on the surface of the Earth (atmospheric weather and temperature, ocean currents and salinity gradients etc.) derive their source of energy from the sun. The geothermal systems (those under the surface) obviously are not influenced by solar output. The media is mostly ignorant about solar output as a cause. I believe many scientists are afraid to speak up because of political ramifications. Trust me when I say this...THE most political of occupations, is politics. THE second most political of occupations, is science. I would encourage all who want to think critically about this issue to Google global warming solar output. Read for yourself, look at the correlations. The short term climate is changing, but I can't say for a FACT why, neither can Al Gore or any other Gloabal Warming evangelista..... Put your preconceptions aside and read. And then tell others to read. Get informed before making your judgements about the Earth's climate. Thank you for your indulgence, off to my first client meeting of the day.... S. At 07:33 AM 12/4/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Iowa is interesting this month. Yesterday I listened to Joe Biden speak on >foreign policy. Our foreign relations are critical. Global warming is a >major concern, but nothing like nuclear proliferation. If these were the >only issues to be concerned about, Biden is far above the others. > >I thought my mind was made up, now I'm not so sure. > >John A. Gross >Technigraphics, Inc. >PO Box 1846 >Iowa City, Iowa 52244 >jgross@techiowa.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz >Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:26 AM >To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Recession Planning > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I would vote Republican... > >John Henry > >John - > >With the expectation that they'd do what, fill the ditch they dug for us or >dig it deeper? right back at you. > >Dan >Sir Speedy Printing Center >5845 Hollywood Boulevard >Hollywood, FL 33021 >tel. 954.962.1309 >fax 954.962.1366 >dan@myprinter.biz >www.myprinter.biz > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of John Henry >Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:11 AM >To: printowners@printweb.org >Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Recession Planning >Importance: High > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I would vote Republican... > > > > >The Recessions I have been in have actually been ok for me, receivables got >longer but most firms started spending more money on print. You see what do >you do when you're business is hurting? Cut back, then you find you need >more sales so then what do you do? Spend money finding them and I am here >ready to help with that (find customers and take your money) > >What I will do is hone my sales to that point. Want more business? Is a >possibility of a Recession worrying you? Call me and let me show ways to >rescission proof your sales... > >John M. Henry >Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company >125-129 East First Street >Oswego, New York 13126 >(315) 343-3531 >(315) 343-3577 Fax >www.mpcny.com >John@mpcny.com > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1169 - Release Date: 12/3/2007 >10:56 PM > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2701 (20071204) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Tue Dec 4 15:11:24 2007 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Tue Dec 4 15:11:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pay Instead of Vacation In-Reply-To: <02fc01c836c9$46724740$8302a8c0@Robbin> References: <02fc01c836c9$46724740$8302a8c0@Robbin> Message-ID: <1CD02CED-130B-46BC-970F-03036E053F38@bellsouth.net> Don't know the legal ramifications, but I have done it many times... Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Dec 4, 2007, at 5:59 PM, Susan Compton wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Dear Printowner Friends, > > I've had an employee ask me if she might exchange a week of > vacation she has coming for the pay she would receive during the > week. Her husband is out of work, and they could certainly use the > money. However, I've never done this before. Are there any legal > ramifications to this? > > Thanks! > > Susan Wells Compton > Compton Design & Printing Inc. > 109 South Jefferson Steet > Lexington, VA 24450 > 540-463-9232 > 540-464-4329 Fax > Susan@cdandp.net > www.cdandp.net > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From char at themasterspress.com Tue Dec 4 15:24:15 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Tue Dec 4 15:24:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pay Instead of Vacation In-Reply-To: <02fc01c836c9$46724740$8302a8c0@Robbin> References: <02fc01c836c9$46724740$8302a8c0@Robbin> Message-ID: <00a701c836b3$a5b704e0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Susan I don't know of any but I am not an attorney. It is done all the time when people leave and get pay in lieu of their time. Sometimes at the end of the year I will pay out vacation time also. I don't let it be a regular thing but sometimes it just happens that way. I don't see how it would be any different. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Susan Compton Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:59 PM To: PrintOwners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Pay Instead of Vacation ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Dear Printowner Friends, I've had an employee ask me if she might exchange a week of vacation she has coming for the pay she would receive during the week. Her husband is out of work, and they could certainly use the money. However, I've never done this before. Are there any legal ramifications to this? Thanks! Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Steet Lexington, VA 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From char at themasterspress.com Tue Dec 4 15:26:31 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Tue Dec 4 15:27:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] SCAM In-Reply-To: <4755B096.3050201@mobile-print.com> References: <004701c836ac$b27906d0$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local> <4755B096.3050201@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: <00a801c836b3$f5150320$0b01a8c0@CharXP> I hear what you are saying Russ but I like James still don't see what the scam is in this. How is this person receiving any money. Is it basically like a virus and just charging people's account to harm them. What advantage is it to these people pulling these scams. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Russ Peters Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:55 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] SCAM ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I know a local guy who was approached by a similar scam. The real scam is the shipping. He will use his shipper, but will ask you to pay the shipping bill yourself, then bill him for it in turn. His credit cards (which he'll claim are actually his parishoners) will be bad, and you will be out both your cost for the product and whatever you shelled out for shipping. If you want to mess with him, reply back and say you only accept cash payments! Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com James Laber wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Below is the message that was sent to us this morning. I think this was > circulating on the list a week or two ago. We already had a call on Friday > from the same guy and he offered to pay with 2 credit cards spreading it > across both. My CSR's thought something was funny and called our credit card > processing company and the numbers don't belong to him. What is the scam. He > is in Florida asking for someone in California to produce what could be made > in his own backyard and says he will personally pick them up. In this appeal > he will send a truck. What is the angle here. I guess I am smart enough to > know better but dense enough to miss the way this works for him. > Jim Laber > Idea! Printing & Graphics Inc > 1921 E Main St > Visalia CA 93292 > 559-733-4149 X118 > Fax: 559-636-3690 > jim@visaliaidea.com > http://www.visaliaidea.com/ > > > From: Mark Lawson [mailto:marklawson40@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:33 AM > To: orders@visaliaidea.com > Subject: urgent order > > Hello Sir/Madam, > > My name is Rev Mark lawson and want to inquire if you can assist me purchase > a 3 by 8 banners for an orphanage programme. > > Below is the writtings i want on the size 3 by 8 banner; > > > Adopt an Orphan,Please pray and encourage our orphanage children home by > providing shelter, food, clothes, educational material and etc. > > Please reply Asap. with a quote per banner,form of payment you accept and > your address so i can place this urgent order now.Please dont include > shipping charges since i will be contacting a trucking company to come and > convey them when ready for pick up. > > > > Regards > > Rev.Mark Lawson > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From russ at mobile-print.com Tue Dec 4 15:36:24 2007 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Tue Dec 4 15:37:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pay Instead of Vacation In-Reply-To: <02fc01c836c9$46724740$8302a8c0@Robbin> References: <02fc01c836c9$46724740$8302a8c0@Robbin> Message-ID: <4755BA48.90300@mobile-print.com> > I've had an employee ask me if she might exchange a week of vacation > she has coming for the pay she would receive during the week. Her > husband is out of work, and they could certainly use the money. > However, I've never done this before. Are there any legal > ramifications to this? > > The only thing is that overall you will be paying her for 53 weeks rather than 52. In other words, one week will be double pay. Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com From bherion at bucksdigital.com Tue Dec 4 15:43:44 2007 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Tue Dec 4 15:44:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Pay Instead of Vacation In-Reply-To: <20071204200742.026BCCCB9B2@rb.enter.net> References: <20071204200742.026BCCCB9B2@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071204154122.03471298@bucksdigital.com> No, but you may be setting a precedent that would hold you responsible to other employees wishing the same treatment. Of course, what they don't know.... At 03:07 PM 12/4/2007, you wrote: >Dear Printowner Friends, > >I've had an employee ask me if she might exchange a week of vacation she has >coming for the pay she would receive during the week. Her husband is out of >work, and they could certainly use the money. However, I've never done this >before. Are there any legal ramifications to this? > >Thanks! Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com Tue Dec 4 16:16:31 2007 From: sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com (Travis) Date: Tue Dec 4 16:20:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: Alaskan Weather Report In-Reply-To: <414C54FC-3AD7-4CA2-89D6-DE7C7E0ABBCF@interiorgraphics.com> References: <414C54FC-3AD7-4CA2-89D6-DE7C7E0ABBCF@interiorgraphics.com> Message-ID: <002901c836ba$f2794570$d76bd050$@com> Report #2 Robin, A agree with Michelle, you should come up! I would recommend early August... Still warm (relatively) with the fall colors are starting appear, and it gets dark enough to start seeing the Northern Lights.... We could talk about how the weather affects both digital and traditional print shop owners.... Travis -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners- bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michelle at Interior Graphics Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 8:48 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] OFF: Alaskan Weather Report ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hey Robin! We'd love to have you visit. Travis, Chuck and I are all within 10 miles of each other, so for sure it would be "business". Let's see - today's weather is not much snow - I think we have 5 or so inches (it melted quite a bit). Temp outside is 4 degrees according to my in truck thermometer, and sunrise will be at 10:25 this morning. The sun will set at 2:56 pm. That gives us 4 hours and 31 minutes of daylight. We are loosing about 5 minutes a day until the 21st. Then we'll start gaining until June. So, get all healed up - we'd love to have you check out our neck of the woods. Of course, when it's sunny and warm! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michelle Maynor "Your Personal Printer" Interior Graphics & Printing 770 8th Avenue Fairbanks, AK 99701 907.456.4982 phone 907.452.6992 fax "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the most." - John Ruskin > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Dick, you can find the digital photo frames just about EVERYWHERE > -- Target, WalMart, Best Buy, Circuit City, Ebay, Amazon -- any > place that sells electronics. > Thanks everyone or your input -- Now I've got some thinking to do > because of the info. about the 7" frames only showing 5" of > photo....the 10" frames are considerably > more expensive, almost double but I guess it's time to share my > good year with the rest of my family. > Need one more question answered -- does the frame have to have a > media card with photos on it? OR can I load pictures directly to > the frame (do they have memory/storage without a media card?) using > a USB cable connected to my laptop? Michelle -- how much snow do > you have already? Jim has agreed to go on an Alaska "adventure" > with me but he wants to cruise and I said, NO WAY - NO BOAT! :) > Now I just need this rotten back to heal so we can make some plans. > 3 printers on this list in Alaska, right? And all within reasonable > (200 miles) of each other? Definitely a business trip! > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Tue Dec 4 16:22:16 2007 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Tue Dec 4 16:22:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Pay Instead of Vacation In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20071204154122.03471298@bucksdigital.com> References: <20071204200742.026BCCCB9B2@rb.enter.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20071204154122.03471298@bucksdigital.com> Message-ID: <2F5E076E-83AD-421C-8BF8-DAC94B2946B8@inkonpaper.biz> Our old employee manual stated that if there were any unused vacation days left at end of year we would pay them in January. No carry overs from year to year. after several years we decided this was not working. we were paying employees for 53 or 55 weeks per year instead of 52. Now the manual says use it or loose it. It also says that if your vacation is not on the scheduled by Oct 1st we will schedule the remaining days for you at the companies convenience . Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz On Dec 4, 2007, at 3:43 PM, Bob Herion wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > No, but you may be setting a precedent that would hold you > responsible to other employees wishing the same treatment. > Of course, what they don't know.... > > > At 03:07 PM 12/4/2007, you wrote: >> Dear Printowner Friends, >> >> I've had an employee ask me if she might exchange a week of >> vacation she has >> coming for the pay she would receive during the week. Her husband >> is out of >> work, and they could certainly use the money. However, I've never >> done this >> before. Are there any legal ramifications to this? >> >> Thanks! > > Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's > Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 > 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 > www.bucksdigital.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From robin at protypeonline.com Tue Dec 4 16:22:44 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Tue Dec 4 16:23:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pay Instead of Vacation Message-ID: <6AFC4623-3F5B-492E-A586-AEB6734D9994@protypeonline.com> Hi Susan, long-time no talk! I have it written in our employee handbook that any used vacation at the end of the year will be distributed to the employee in cash/ check. Same with unused sick/personal days! In my small shop, I would be thrilled to pay them for this time and HAVE THEM IN the shop. Now, I did have one employee that would come to work deathly ill and couldn't work and was making everyone else sick -- I told her she had to take a sick day -- but that was many years ago and has not happened again. I can't imagine that there would be any legal reasons or IRS reasons you could not do this. HOWEVER, you will be setting a precedent. What you do for one, you must do for all. I can't remember the last time an employee didn't use all their vacation time but....if they don't, they get paid for it. Also, my employees cannot rollover unused time from one year to the next -- I'm just too small to be missing 15-20% of my workforce for too long. Great to hear from you.... Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Dec 4 16:28:40 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Dec 4 16:36:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Pay Instead of Vacation Message-ID: In a message dated 12/4/2007 4:23:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Loren@inkonpaper.biz writes: No carry overs from year to year. after several years we decided this was not working. we were paying employees for 53 or 55 weeks per year instead of 52. But since employees were not taking off time they were otherwise entitled to take off, weren't you also benefiting from additional production during that same period of time? In your example above, weren't you also getting 1-3 more weeks of work out of them as well? John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From dvmonto at optonline.net Tue Dec 4 16:41:21 2007 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Tue Dec 4 16:42:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pay Instead of Vacation In-Reply-To: <02fc01c836c9$46724740$8302a8c0@Robbin> Message-ID: On 12/4/07 5:59 PM, "Susan Compton" wrote: > I've had an employee ask me if she might exchange a week of vacation she has > coming for the pay she would receive during the week. Her husband is out of > work, and they could certainly use the money. However, I've never done this > before. Are there any legal ramifications to this? So she is going to work a week for no pay to make up for the week you pay her for? If she has one weeks vacation and she does not take it as paid off then she will be working 52 weeks and getting paid for 53. Does not sound right to me.................... -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net www.sirspeedy.com/wappingersfalls "Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals and dying of nothing." ?Redd Foxx From char at themasterspress.com Tue Dec 4 16:46:21 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Tue Dec 4 16:46:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Pay Instead of Vacation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00c401c836bf$1c11ef50$0b01a8c0@CharXP> I have a lot of employees who have been with me a long time. They all get three weeks. I will gladly pay them 53 or 54 weeks to stay and not go on vacation. When they are gone I usually have to pay overtime or someone else to come in to take up the slack. My outlay of money is usually not that much different in the long run and it actually makes it easier on us. But it does not happen often. They all clamor for their time off. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 3:29 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re: Pay Instead of Vacation ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 12/4/2007 4:23:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Loren@inkonpaper.biz writes: No carry overs from year to year. after several years we decided this was not working. we were paying employees for 53 or 55 weeks per year instead of 52. But since employees were not taking off time they were otherwise entitled to take off, weren't you also benefiting from additional production during that same period of time? In your example above, weren't you also getting 1-3 more weeks of work out of them as well? John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dvmonto at optonline.net Tue Dec 4 16:49:09 2007 From: dvmonto at optonline.net (David Monto) Date: Tue Dec 4 16:49:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Disciplinary Form for employee In-Reply-To: <700BE6E8-1D64-473B-A65B-A75B9433D8F4@mauiprintworks.com> Message-ID: I would find that it is really hard to insert a slip sheet into a running QM46-2. It is running so fast and if you set it for 50 impressions, it stops, then has to be started again. Real time sucker. Also with the press safeties in place, a little slip and the press stops if you try to insert it while it is running. My operator usually puts a slip sheet in the FEED end when loading press. Usually with every ream he puts a sheet of color stock so it is a little easier to sort out the pads. -- David V. Monto Sir Speedy Printing 1837 South Road Wappingers Falls, NY 12590 Phone:845-298-8898 Fax: 845-298-8537 email: dvmonto@optonline.net I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with anybody that stands right, stand with him while he is right, and part with him when he goes wrong. - -- Abraham Lincoln From sgfinke at fuse.net Tue Dec 4 16:51:49 2007 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Tue Dec 4 16:53:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] SCAM In-Reply-To: <00a801c836b3$f5150320$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <004701c836ac$b27906d0$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local> <4755B096.3050201@mobile-print.com> <00a801c836b3$f5150320$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: The way I understand it, the shipping will be very high. The scammer will get the difference between the real shipping charge and what he charges the printer -- unless they're in it together and they split it. Most of these scams are from out of the country, not from Florida. They are small enough charges that the scammers know they won't be prosecuted, and they just have to make phone calls and emails like this all day until they get a couple through. A couple hundred or thousand every day adds up. When I looked it up on Google earlier, a different industry was being targeted. Now it seems to be printing. Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On Dec 4, 2007, at 3:26 PM, Charlene Sims wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I hear what you are saying Russ but I like James still don't see > what the > scam is in this. How is this person receiving any money. Is it > basically > like a virus and just charging people's account to harm them. What > advantage is it to these people pulling these scams. > ch > > Charlene Sims > > The Master's Press, Inc > 14550 Midway Road > Dallas, Tx 75244 > 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 > char@themasterspress.com > www.themasterspress.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Russ Peters > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:55 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] SCAM > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I know a local guy who was approached by a similar scam. The real scam > is the shipping. He will use his shipper, but will ask you to pay the > shipping bill yourself, then bill him for it in turn. His credit cards > (which he'll claim are actually his parishoners) will be bad, and you > will be out both your cost for the product and whatever you shelled > out > for shipping. > > If you want to mess with him, reply back and say you only accept cash > payments! > > Russ Peters > MOBILE PRINT, INC. > 201 W. Central Road > Mount Prospect, IL 60056 > Phone: 847.398.6155 > Fax: 847.398.0788 > E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com > W. www.Mobile-Print.com > > > > James Laber wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Below is the message that was sent to us this morning. I think >> this was >> circulating on the list a week or two ago. We already had a call >> on Friday >> from the same guy and he offered to pay with 2 credit cards >> spreading it >> across both. My CSR's thought something was funny and called our >> credit > card >> processing company and the numbers don't belong to him. What is >> the scam. > He >> is in Florida asking for someone in California to produce what >> could be > made >> in his own backyard and says he will personally pick them up. In this > appeal >> he will send a truck. What is the angle here. I guess I am smart >> enough to >> know better but dense enough to miss the way this works for him. >> Jim Laber >> Idea! Printing & Graphics Inc >> 1921 E Main St >> Visalia CA 93292 >> 559-733-4149 X118 >> Fax: 559-636-3690 >> jim@visaliaidea.com >> http://www.visaliaidea.com/ >> >> >> From: Mark Lawson [mailto:marklawson40@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:33 AM >> To: orders@visaliaidea.com >> Subject: urgent order >> >> Hello Sir/Madam, >> >> My name is Rev Mark lawson and want to inquire if you can assist me > purchase >> a 3 by 8 banners for an orphanage programme. >> >> Below is the writtings i want on the size 3 by 8 banner; >> >> >> Adopt an Orphan,Please pray and encourage our orphanage children >> home by >> providing shelter, food, clothes, educational material and etc. >> >> Please reply Asap. with a quote per banner,form of payment you >> accept and >> your address so i can place this urgent order now.Please dont include >> shipping charges since i will be contacting a trucking company to >> come and >> convey them when ready for pick up. >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> Rev.Mark Lawson >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From russ at mobile-print.com Tue Dec 4 16:58:06 2007 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Tue Dec 4 16:58:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] SCAM In-Reply-To: <00a801c836b3$f5150320$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <004701c836ac$b27906d0$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local> <4755B096.3050201@mobile-print.com> <00a801c836b3$f5150320$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <4755CD6E.1070201@mobile-print.com> OK, lets say you do $6000 worth of printing. The 'client' uses his 'trucker', who charges $1500 for the freight. The 'trucker' needs payment upfront, prior to picking up the goods. You pay the 'trucker' the $1500 and bill the 'client' $7500 ($6000 printing + $1500 freight) which you charge to his credit cards. The payments seem to go through fine. The trucker never picks up the printing. The cards eventually incur a complete chargeback & you're out $7500. The 'trucker' is working with the 'client' and now they're $1500 richer. Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com Charlene Sims wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I hear what you are saying Russ but I like James still don't see what the > scam is in this. How is this person receiving any money. Is it basically > like a virus and just charging people's account to harm them. What > advantage is it to these people pulling these scams. > ch > > Charlene Sims > > The Master's Press, Inc > 14550 Midway Road > Dallas, Tx 75244 > 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 > char@themasterspress.com > www.themasterspress.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Russ Peters > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:55 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] SCAM > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I know a local guy who was approached by a similar scam. The real scam > is the shipping. He will use his shipper, but will ask you to pay the > shipping bill yourself, then bill him for it in turn. His credit cards > (which he'll claim are actually his parishoners) will be bad, and you > will be out both your cost for the product and whatever you shelled out > for shipping. > > If you want to mess with him, reply back and say you only accept cash > payments! > > Russ Peters > MOBILE PRINT, INC. > 201 W. Central Road > Mount Prospect, IL 60056 > Phone: 847.398.6155 > Fax: 847.398.0788 > E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com > W. www.Mobile-Print.com > > > > James Laber wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Below is the message that was sent to us this morning. I think this was >> circulating on the list a week or two ago. We already had a call on Friday >> from the same guy and he offered to pay with 2 credit cards spreading it >> across both. My CSR's thought something was funny and called our credit >> > card > >> processing company and the numbers don't belong to him. What is the scam. >> > He > >> is in Florida asking for someone in California to produce what could be >> > made > >> in his own backyard and says he will personally pick them up. In this >> > appeal > >> he will send a truck. What is the angle here. I guess I am smart enough to >> know better but dense enough to miss the way this works for him. >> Jim Laber >> Idea! Printing & Graphics Inc >> 1921 E Main St >> Visalia CA 93292 >> 559-733-4149 X118 >> Fax: 559-636-3690 >> jim@visaliaidea.com >> http://www.visaliaidea.com/ >> >> >> From: Mark Lawson [mailto:marklawson40@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:33 AM >> To: orders@visaliaidea.com >> Subject: urgent order >> >> Hello Sir/Madam, >> >> My name is Rev Mark lawson and want to inquire if you can assist me >> > purchase > >> a 3 by 8 banners for an orphanage programme. >> >> Below is the writtings i want on the size 3 by 8 banner; >> >> >> Adopt an Orphan,Please pray and encourage our orphanage children home by >> providing shelter, food, clothes, educational material and etc. >> >> Please reply Asap. with a quote per banner,form of payment you accept and >> your address so i can place this urgent order now.Please dont include >> shipping charges since i will be contacting a trucking company to come and >> convey them when ready for pick up. >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> Rev.Mark Lawson >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Tue Dec 4 17:00:48 2007 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Tue Dec 4 17:01:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Pay Instead of Vacation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Dec 4, 2007, at 4:28 PM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > But since employees were not taking off time they were otherwise > entitled to > take off, weren't you also benefiting from additional production > during that > same period of time? In your example above, weren't you also > getting 1-3 > more weeks of work out of them as well? You are assuming that we are 100% productive. That we need employees every hour of every day. Oh how I wish it were true. Since we are not at full capacity, we can get by during vacation times. Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz From Loren at inkonpaper.biz Tue Dec 4 17:02:19 2007 From: Loren at inkonpaper.biz (Loren Maurina) Date: Tue Dec 4 17:02:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Pay Instead of Vacation In-Reply-To: <00c401c836bf$1c11ef50$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <00c401c836bf$1c11ef50$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: On Dec 4, 2007, at 4:46 PM, Charlene Sims wrote: > When they are gone I usually have to pay overtime or someone else > to come in to take up the slack Over time is time and a half. Paying for vacation time double time. Loren Maurina President L & L Printing, Inc. dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Clinton Twp dba: Allegra Print & Imaging - Warren ph (586) 263-0060 fx (586) 263-4895 Loren@InkOnPaper.biz From sos at olympus.net Tue Dec 4 17:01:08 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Dec 4 17:03:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pay Instead of Vacation References: Message-ID: <055301c836c1$2cb13c60$0300a8c0@DANIEL> If she has one weeks vacation and she does not take it as paid off then she will be working 52 weeks and getting paid for 53. Does not sound right to me.................... =================== As opposed to working 51 weeks and getting paid for 52? It sounds the same to me. We really don't have a written policy on this. Right? Wrong? I don't know. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From jodib at blackfoot.net Tue Dec 4 17:03:33 2007 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Tue Dec 4 17:04:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pay Instead of Vacation References: <6AFC4623-3F5B-492E-A586-AEB6734D9994@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <015301c836c1$836065e0$0101a8c0@desktoppbl> And on Robin's thoughts, if you don't already have something specific in your employee manual, and you did pay her, you should probably include a disclaimer of sorts in the form of a letter stating that in consideration of this specific situation you are issuing her pay for 1 week vacation and that she will not be taking the actual days off. Make it clear that any future requests (from her or anyone else) would be evaluated and considered on a case by case basis. Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing Missoula, Montana jodib@blackfoot.net 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Niewold" To: "printowners printowners" Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 2:22 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Pay Instead of Vacation > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hi Susan, long-time no talk! > > I have it written in our employee handbook that any used vacation at the > end of the year will be distributed to the employee in cash/ check. Same > with unused sick/personal days! > In my small shop, I would be thrilled to pay them for this time and HAVE > THEM IN the shop. Now, I did have one employee that would come to work > deathly ill and couldn't work and was making everyone else sick -- I told > her she had to take a sick day -- but that was many years ago and has not > happened again. > > I can't imagine that there would be any legal reasons or IRS reasons you > could not do this. HOWEVER, you will be setting a precedent. What you do > for one, you must do for all. > I can't remember the last time an employee didn't use all their vacation > time but....if they don't, they get paid for it. Also, my employees > cannot rollover unused time from one year to the next -- I'm just too > small to be missing 15-20% of my workforce for too long. > > Great to hear from you.... > > Robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Tue Dec 4 17:20:52 2007 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Tue Dec 4 17:21:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] MacBook Pro Shopping In-Reply-To: <0650F53B-E854-4394-A757-BC029100B842@protypeonline.com> References: <0650F53B-E854-4394-A757-BC029100B842@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <8779D2C7-F6F4-4FB6-9802-7AC71DA2F39E@falconprintandcopy.com> Hey Robin, I've been really busy and not monitoring the list, so if this has all handled itself, I apologize, but: Do you have a wireless router? Get this one: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=60C1CBAD&fnode=home/shop_mac/mac_accessories/airport_wireless&nplm=MB053LL/A Its the Apple Extreme Base Station, and you can just hook your printer up there. Your mac will find it instantly with appletalk, and you don't need to use blue tooth. Also get the mac mighty mouse, I think you have to change batteries (2 AA), but no wires. Finally, get leapard. I love it. Watch the video to find out what its all about. Time Machine (best backup ever) and spaces are the best features. http://www.apple.com/macosx/guidedtour/ Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com On Nov 29, 2007, at 6:09 PM, Robin Niewold wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I would like to be able to have far less cables and cords attached > to my MacBook Pro laptop. > was just on the apple.com website shopping and I must be one of 20 > gazillion people doing the same thing since > every page was loading soooooooooooooo slooooooowwwwllllllyyyyy! > > This is what I want: > > a mouse and a b/w laser printer. And, I know nothing about "blue > tooth" technology. I think it means wireless? But do I need a blue > tooth card in my laptop -- which I believe I have. > Someone who knows this stuff, please help me out and save me from > embarassing myself any further. Is it possible? I seem to remember, > someone, maybe Scott C telling me he was sitting on his couch with > his laptop and was printing to his printer x-number of feet away -- > or maybe even in another room? I want that! > > Currently I have a kensington wireless mouse that has to return to > the dock (attached by cables) for recharging and an HP 1012 laser > printer which I also love and meets all my needs but is connected by > cables. > > Last but not least -- I'm using Mac OS X 10.4.10 Leopard is now > available. Any new features that make it worthwhile to upgrade? > > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com Tue Dec 4 17:22:46 2007 From: s.hughes at legendsofdodgecity.com (Sonya Hughes) Date: Tue Dec 4 17:23:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pay Instead of Vacation In-Reply-To: <1CD02CED-130B-46BC-970F-03036E053F38@bellsouth.net> References: <02fc01c836c9$46724740$8302a8c0@Robbin> <1CD02CED-130B-46BC-970F-03036E053F38@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <2BACC2E8-4ADF-4E0E-AAD8-CE1C7C5B1998@legendsofdodgecity.com> I guess I'm the softy here. My heart goes out the employee who is having financial problems. That sounds like a reasonable request to me. I would do it with the understanding that it is done under special circumstances. My employees have made allowances for me when times were slow (voluntarily cutting their own hours), and I would be happy to reciprocate. Just my style ... Sonya Hughes Legends Printing & Graphics, Inc. Dodge City, KS On Dec 4, 2007, at 2:11 PM, Ben Travis wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Don't know the legal ramifications, but I have done it many times... > > Ben Travis > > Copy Express > 4004-A South Blvd. > Charlotte, NC 20209 > cpyxpres@bellsouth.net > 704-527-1750 > > On Dec 4, 2007, at 5:59 PM, Susan Compton wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Dear Printowner Friends, >> >> I've had an employee ask me if she might exchange a week of >> vacation she has coming for the pay she would receive during the >> week. Her husband is out of work, and they could certainly use >> the money. However, I've never done this before. Are there any >> legal ramifications to this? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Susan Wells Compton >> Compton Design & Printing Inc. >> 109 South Jefferson Steet >> Lexington, VA 24450 >> 540-463-9232 >> 540-464-4329 Fax >> Susan@cdandp.net >> www.cdandp.net >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Dec 4 17:30:20 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Dec 4 17:30:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Disciplinary Form for employee In-Reply-To: References: <700BE6E8-1D64-473B-A65B-A75B9433D8F4@mauiprintworks.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0712041430j60e10f38xb31ae5f1859e377@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 4, 2007 4:49 PM, David Monto wrote: > > My operator usually puts a slip sheet in the FEED end when loading press. > Usually with every ream he puts a sheet of color stock so it is a little > easier to sort out the pads. TRUE STORY (I swear): Many years ago, I consulted for a week on the opening of a Sir Speedy in Burlington, NC (i.e. as an owner training a new owner). The SS rep who had opened the store two weeks earlier with the new owner had hired a young press operator who had just graduated (or quit?) high school. There wasn't any work in the shop, so the press operator was printing giveaway pads. Having been taught, or told, to insert the chipboard on press, here's how he did it: He manually counted every 50 sheets and inserted all the chipboard. THEN, he loaded the paper ! Running the press slowly and watching carefully, he stopped whenever he came to a sheet of chipboard, removed it from the feed end, carried it around to the delivery end, inserted it, then restarted the press. In the immortal words of the Japanese operating manual that came with our first tabletop drill, "the next operation is carried out under the same repeat." Looking at the bright side, running the press as slowly as he did, to the operator's credit he never mistakenly fed a sheet of that chipboard . -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From ahavens at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 4 17:40:30 2007 From: ahavens at sbcglobal.net (Havens Printing and Copy Shop) Date: Tue Dec 4 17:36:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pay Instead of Vacation References: <02fc01c836c9$46724740$8302a8c0@Robbin> <1CD02CED-130B-46BC-970F-03036E053F38@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <003c01c836c6$acdedb90$0301a8c0@Leah> We operate on a "Wellness Pay" scheme. Similar to the way we treat vacation pay. Say you were giving 1 week vacation per year - you would issue a check for 2% of total hours worked and that would be the vacation pay, whether the employee took the time off or not. If they didn't, it comes as a bonus. We went this way, because of part-time and fulltime people. With fulltimers you consider they work 2,080 hours/year. 2% of that represents one week vacation. With partimers, we add up total actual hours worked and issue check for 2% of those hours. We do the same for "Wellness Pay". If they need it, they will be paid for it. If they don't need it, it is a bonus. This cuts out a lot of game playing with so called "Sick Pay", etc. and keeps bookkeeping to a minimum. We make these payments first of January and first of July for previous six months of work. Austin Havens, Owner Havens Printing & Copy Shop 200 N Main McPherson, KS 67460 620-241-5400 ahavens@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Travis" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Pay Instead of Vacation > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Don't know the legal ramifications, but I have done it many times... > > Ben Travis > > Copy Express > 4004-A South Blvd. > Charlotte, NC 20209 > cpyxpres@bellsouth.net > 704-527-1750 > > On Dec 4, 2007, at 5:59 PM, Susan Compton wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Dear Printowner Friends, >> >> I've had an employee ask me if she might exchange a week of vacation she >> has coming for the pay she would receive during the week. Her husband >> is out of work, and they could certainly use the money. However, I've >> never done this before. Are there any legal ramifications to this? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Susan Wells Compton >> Compton Design & Printing Inc. >> 109 South Jefferson Steet >> Lexington, VA 24450 >> 540-463-9232 >> 540-464-4329 Fax >> Susan@cdandp.net >> www.cdandp.net >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From zapit at zapcolor.com Tue Dec 4 17:47:02 2007 From: zapit at zapcolor.com (Eugene Montanez) Date: Tue Dec 4 17:52:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Low Cost UV Coater? In-Reply-To: <20071204223632.7A76FCCC89E@rb.enter.net> References: <20071204223632.7A76FCCC89E@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: OK I am in discussions with an overseas company to build a small (size of a big copier) self-contained, UV coating machine. It would initially be hand fed, but landscape size, possibly 20-25" width, so it should work for all us copier types. It would be 220v but otherwise fit in the copy/print shop envitonment. The pricing would be in the range of $15,000 retail. Who would be interested at that price or what price would you like to see, other than FREE, which is my favorite? Please respond off-list. I am also looking for a few PrintOwner members around the country to be guinea pigs, after I have a unit here and tested thoroughly, at a major discount price. So let me know, if you don't hear right back from me, you should know where I am (if not in the BVI for 2 weeks) Eugene > Eugene Montanez ZAP Printing & Graphics 127 Radio Rd Corona, CA 92879 951-734-8181 Zapit@zapcolor.com From sos at olympus.net Tue Dec 4 18:16:46 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Dec 4 18:19:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Disciplinary Form for employee References: <700BE6E8-1D64-473B-A65B-A75B9433D8F4@mauiprintworks.com> <98f5b19a0712041430j60e10f38xb31ae5f1859e377@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <05b301c836cb$bdc192e0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> In the immortal words of the > Japanese operating manual that came with our first tabletop drill, > "the next operation is carried out under the same repeat." Looking at > the bright side, running the press as slowly as he did, to the > operator's credit he never mistakenly fed a sheet of that chipboard > . =================== People will do the damnedest things given a lack of training, their own lack of common sense and too much time. I was home with my daughter who had the flu one day, and my Quote Pressman Endquote was folding a job, which wasn't coming out quite straight, so instead of turning the adjustment knob, he got out his tool kit and proceeded to take apart my brand new MBO folder, because it never occurred to him you might be able to adjust it, what with all the knobs that are all over it. It never occurred to him to take a look at the manual which is right there sitting on top of the machine. And it sure never occurred to him to give me a call and ask. Couldn't run the press either. Fired him. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From char at themasterspress.com Tue Dec 4 18:23:01 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Tue Dec 4 18:23:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Disciplinary Form for employee In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0712041430j60e10f38xb31ae5f1859e377@mail.gmail.com> References: <700BE6E8-1D64-473B-A65B-A75B9433D8F4@mauiprintworks.com> <98f5b19a0712041430j60e10f38xb31ae5f1859e377@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00d701c836cc$9ce10500$0b01a8c0@CharXP> THAT is one of the better stories I have heard about a press operator. That is amazing. I don't think I would believe it if you had not seen it. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael Vogel Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:30 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Disciplinary Form for employee ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** On Dec 4, 2007 4:49 PM, David Monto wrote: > > My operator usually puts a slip sheet in the FEED end when loading press. > Usually with every ream he puts a sheet of color stock so it is a little > easier to sort out the pads. TRUE STORY (I swear): Many years ago, I consulted for a week on the opening of a Sir Speedy in Burlington, NC (i.e. as an owner training a new owner). The SS rep who had opened the store two weeks earlier with the new owner had hired a young press operator who had just graduated (or quit?) high school. There wasn't any work in the shop, so the press operator was printing giveaway pads. Having been taught, or told, to insert the chipboard on press, here's how he did it: He manually counted every 50 sheets and inserted all the chipboard. THEN, he loaded the paper ! Running the press slowly and watching carefully, he stopped whenever he came to a sheet of chipboard, removed it from the feed end, carried it around to the delivery end, inserted it, then restarted the press. In the immortal words of the Japanese operating manual that came with our first tabletop drill, "the next operation is carried out under the same repeat." Looking at the bright side, running the press as slowly as he did, to the operator's credit he never mistakenly fed a sheet of that chipboard . -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bill at mauiprintworks.com Tue Dec 4 20:24:01 2007 From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works) Date: Tue Dec 4 20:24:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Chipping on press Message-ID: <889f9b47ba082d8194cf5187ab20b4cf@mauiprintworks.com> Ok, I've run press for 30 years, the last 10 - 15 + has been from my desk but I started inserting the chipboard while running the job. It's easy, just a little coordination. Well, my son Joseph grew up in this shop, and just assumes it's the natural thing to do. He can run a job on the QM-46 at 10,000 an hour pull a sheet to make adjustments count down in his head and throw the chipboard in without as stop. Now he expects others to do what he can. Shoots, if the pressman can't do that they're just going to stand there and watch it run anyway. Kinda reminds me of Charles Lincolns video of the newbe pressman running envelopes at 10,000 an hour :) Bill Marsh Maui Print Works 70 Central Ave., Wailuku, HI 96793 (808)242-6634 Fax (808)242-8967 bill@mauiprintworks.com www. mauiprintworks.com From si at ria.net Tue Dec 4 21:14:10 2007 From: si at ria.net (Doug Shelton) Date: Tue Dec 4 21:18:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Chipping on press In-Reply-To: <889f9b47ba082d8194cf5187ab20b4cf@mauiprintworks.com> References: <889f9b47ba082d8194cf5187ab20b4cf@mauiprintworks.com> Message-ID: <200712050217.lB52HjR02877@plus50.host4u.net> What about the Brackett Flikur chipboard inserter? I don't believe I've ever seen that device mentioned on PrintOwners and wonder why. http://www.brackett-inc.com/Literature/FLIKFAX.PDF Looks like it would be a worthwhile piece of equipment for any shop running pads daily. Pros and cons from anybody who uses or has used the Flikur? Doug -- Doug Shelton Superior Impressions, Inc. Toledo, Ohio mailto:si@ria.net From Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au Tue Dec 4 22:48:49 2007 From: Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au (Harry Brelsford) Date: Tue Dec 4 22:49:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (really really OFF) In-Reply-To: References: <000f01c8368b$0d2a5010$1e00000a@tech.local> <200712041735.lB4HZPwo015897@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: http://www.amazon.com/Politically-Incorrect-Global-Warming-Environmentalism/dp/1596985011 Gail Finke I have this book and actually read it. Hard going but one of the things I got from it is that Enron and other oil companies where happy about Clinton and Gore's Kyoto plans as it would be good for energy stock prices. In effect it seems it is a form of price fixing. Also putting a cap on energy production puts the brakes on industrialization in the West sending more manufacturing to China and India who are firing up a new power station every week. So Kyoto probably won't stop one ounce of greenhouse gas just move it around and put a damper on Western economies. The same with carbon trading, the poor countries who don't do much in the way of manufacturing will get paid for not producing greenhouse gas - sharing your wealth around. The problem is China and India are exempt from Kyoto. The big question is how much cooler would the planet be if man did not exist? Probably not much if anything as the buffalo would still roam (and other animals), volcanoes would still erupt creating masses of gas. Some estimates are man may have added 3% t0 5%. Also consider that greenhouse gases are not pollutants, the air is full of them and the more CO2 there is the better plants grow. In fact in real greenhouses if the plants are a bit sluggish they pump more C02 in to make them grow. You may have noticed that vegetation grows greener alongside the highway. We all want less pollution so we should not confuse greenhouse gasses with soot and sulphur. If I recall correctly, according to Nasa the planet warmed by about a quarter or half of a degree over the last 100 years. During the early nineties the Russian surface temperature measuring devices which were part of the global grid were switched off. Russia is a cold place I am told so these cold temperatures were removed from the average pushing the average temperature up. It seems nobody mentions this. There's more. National Geographic ran an article in February this year about simultaneous warming on both Earth and Mars over the last six years, based on data from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey missions, which confirms what Scott mentioned - solar activity. The glaciers in the southern half of the planet such as in New Zealand by all accounts are growing - and this was also heard by a colleague of mine from a NZ tour guide. In the north, according to Laurence Hecht, Editor-in-Chief of 21st Century Science and Technology Magazine, the most measured Glacier on the planet is the Nisqually on Mount Rainier Washington State. Back in 1931 Tacoma City had just completed a hydroelectric facility dependent on runoff from the glacier thus having the longest continuous glacier measurements available. Hecht claims it has increased in size since 1931. What about the snow line receding on Mount Kilimanjaro in Africa? Apparently the mountain is actually cooler than in the past but drought conditions cause a reduction in moisture so not much in the way of new snow. Even in light of these counter arguments in our Federal election here in Australia two weeks ago our Labour oppositions ran on signing the country up to Kyoto. Our conservative government has given us a great economy with the lowest unemployment for some time but Labour won the election and the new Prime Ministers first task last was to agree to sign up to Kyoto. Bullshit baffles brains. Harry >http://www.amazon.com/Politically-Incorrect-Global-Warming-Environmentalism/dp/1596985011 > >I went to high school with the guy who wrote this. Strangely enough >I don't remember him at all. > >I haven't read the book, but I did read "The Coercive Utopians," a >1983 book about the environmental movement and the political push to >take all kinds of extreme and unproven measures to remedy perceived >(but often also unproven) problems. The one I remember most was >smokescrubbers, which apparently eliminate certain chemicals from >the atmosphere -- but no one was sure they were the right ones to >eliminate. It's a pretty depressing book. I am skeptical of manmade >Global Warming anyway (Anyone remember Global Cooling? Or the >population explosion?) but that book makes you skeptical of >everything. > -- Harry Brelsford Varsity Graphics Shop 2 - 195 Varsity Parade Varsity Lakes QLD 4227 Australia Ph: 61 7 5575 9417 Fax: 61 7 5575 8091 Harry@VarsityGraphics.com.au From printian at gmail.com Wed Dec 5 04:15:48 2007 From: printian at gmail.com (Ian Franks) Date: Wed Dec 5 04:16:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Disciplinary Form for employee In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: John We have numbering and perfing on our QM46. This is so much more efficient than our old method of using the Graphic Wizard. 2 reasons In South Africa the service on the GW is terrible. The actual extra time on the press is minimal for the setup compares to the run through the GW. The most important is turnaround is halved because you of the eliminated GW step. Before I bought the QM46 I went to another print shop who has 2 QM46s and he said go with the numbering and perfing inline and he was right. Next time we do pads I will try the inserting of board online and see if that works for us. Joseph thanks for the great thead I am just questioning the accuracy of padding in that method, especially if > the press is running at 8000 per hour equates to 2.2 sheets through per > second.... if you are late by a second or two then you have too many in > one pad > and two few in the next or maybe the count just isn't that important. > Would you > chip on press for pads of 25? If so, I would love to see it done at 8M > per > hour. That would mean inserting a chipboard every 11 seconds at 8M.... I > could > understand a guy getting a bit frazzled having to do that. I would rather > see a press operator running the press at maximum speed and then jump to > another job or washup while someone at a far lower pay rate do the "grunt > work." > > I am not arguing with you, but I am saying it is not the common or most > popular way. I believe it is more efficient, most times, to separate > printing > functions from bindery functions. For the same reason, you will find that > most > number is done off-line in this country as opposed to on-line. I say in > this > country, because in other countries such as Australia and Great Britain > numbering on-line is quite common. There are reasons for this but no time > to > explain. > > > John Stewart > -- Regards Ian Franks Print Image 3 Corlett Drive, Illovo, JHB Ph 011 447 3133 Fax 011 447 0642 sales@printimage.co.za www.printimage.co.za From alewinter at datapalette.com Wed Dec 5 07:31:59 2007 From: alewinter at datapalette.com (Andrew LeWinter) Date: Wed Dec 5 07:26:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] SCAM References: <004701c836ac$b27906d0$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local> <4755B096.3050201@mobile-print.com><00a801c836b3$f5150320$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <4755CD6E.1070201@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D5022DB39@mail1.datapalette.local> There is no SCAM if you only accept cash in advance of delivery. Non-negotiable. This will likely chase them to another potential sucker. Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Russ Peters Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:58 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] SCAM ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** OK, lets say you do $6000 worth of printing. The 'client' uses his 'trucker', who charges $1500 for the freight. The 'trucker' needs payment upfront, prior to picking up the goods. You pay the 'trucker' the $1500 and bill the 'client' $7500 ($6000 printing + $1500 freight) which you charge to his credit cards. The payments seem to go through fine. The trucker never picks up the printing. The cards eventually incur a complete chargeback & you're out $7500. The 'trucker' is working with the 'client' and now they're $1500 richer. Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com Charlene Sims wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I hear what you are saying Russ but I like James still don't see what the > scam is in this. How is this person receiving any money. Is it basically > like a virus and just charging people's account to harm them. What > advantage is it to these people pulling these scams. > ch > > Charlene Sims > > The Master's Press, Inc > 14550 Midway Road > Dallas, Tx 75244 > 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 > char@themasterspress.com > www.themasterspress.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Russ Peters > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:55 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] SCAM > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I know a local guy who was approached by a similar scam. The real scam > is the shipping. He will use his shipper, but will ask you to pay the > shipping bill yourself, then bill him for it in turn. His credit cards > (which he'll claim are actually his parishoners) will be bad, and you > will be out both your cost for the product and whatever you shelled out > for shipping. > > If you want to mess with him, reply back and say you only accept cash > payments! > > Russ Peters > MOBILE PRINT, INC. > 201 W. Central Road > Mount Prospect, IL 60056 > Phone: 847.398.6155 > Fax: 847.398.0788 > E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com > W. www.Mobile-Print.com > > > > James Laber wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Below is the message that was sent to us this morning. I think this was >> circulating on the list a week or two ago. We already had a call on Friday >> from the same guy and he offered to pay with 2 credit cards spreading it >> across both. My CSR's thought something was funny and called our credit >> > card > >> processing company and the numbers don't belong to him. What is the scam. >> > He > >> is in Florida asking for someone in California to produce what could be >> > made > >> in his own backyard and says he will personally pick them up. In this >> > appeal > >> he will send a truck. What is the angle here. I guess I am smart enough to >> know better but dense enough to miss the way this works for him. >> Jim Laber >> Idea! Printing & Graphics Inc >> 1921 E Main St >> Visalia CA 93292 >> 559-733-4149 X118 >> Fax: 559-636-3690 >> jim@visaliaidea.com >> http://www.visaliaidea.com/ >> >> >> From: Mark Lawson [mailto:marklawson40@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:33 AM >> To: orders@visaliaidea.com >> Subject: urgent order >> >> Hello Sir/Madam, >> >> My name is Rev Mark lawson and want to inquire if you can assist me >> > purchase > >> a 3 by 8 banners for an orphanage programme. >> >> Below is the writtings i want on the size 3 by 8 banner; >> >> >> Adopt an Orphan,Please pray and encourage our orphanage children home by >> providing shelter, food, clothes, educational material and etc. >> >> Please reply Asap. with a quote per banner,form of payment you accept and >> your address so i can place this urgent order now.Please dont include >> shipping charges since i will be contacting a trucking company to come and >> convey them when ready for pick up. >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> Rev.Mark Lawson >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From alewinter at datapalette.com Wed Dec 5 07:35:07 2007 From: alewinter at datapalette.com (Andrew LeWinter) Date: Wed Dec 5 07:29:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pay Instead of Vacation References: <02fc01c836c9$46724740$8302a8c0@Robbin><1CD02CED-130B-46BC-970F-03036E053F38@bellsouth.net> <2BACC2E8-4ADF-4E0E-AAD8-CE1C7C5B1998@legendsofdodgecity.com> Message-ID: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D5022DB3A@mail1.datapalette.local> This is exactly what our experience has been. We give, and we have gotten back. If you find that things are a one-way street with someone, then you can reconsider your options. Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Sonya Hughes Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 5:23 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Pay Instead of Vacation ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I guess I'm the softy here. My heart goes out the employee who is having financial problems. That sounds like a reasonable request to me. I would do it with the understanding that it is done under special circumstances. My employees have made allowances for me when times were slow (voluntarily cutting their own hours), and I would be happy to reciprocate. Just my style ... Sonya Hughes Legends Printing & Graphics, Inc. Dodge City, KS On Dec 4, 2007, at 2:11 PM, Ben Travis wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Don't know the legal ramifications, but I have done it many times... > > Ben Travis > > Copy Express > 4004-A South Blvd. > Charlotte, NC 20209 > cpyxpres@bellsouth.net > 704-527-1750 > > On Dec 4, 2007, at 5:59 PM, Susan Compton wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Dear Printowner Friends, >> >> I've had an employee ask me if she might exchange a week of >> vacation she has coming for the pay she would receive during the >> week. Her husband is out of work, and they could certainly use >> the money. However, I've never done this before. Are there any >> legal ramifications to this? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Susan Wells Compton >> Compton Design & Printing Inc. >> 109 South Jefferson Steet >> Lexington, VA 24450 >> 540-463-9232 >> 540-464-4329 Fax >> Susan@cdandp.net >> www.cdandp.net >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From John at mpcny.com Wed Dec 5 08:08:53 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Wed Dec 5 08:10:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How much vacation is to much? In-Reply-To: <20071205091624.45330CCE3B4@rb.enter.net> References: <20071205091624.45330CCE3B4@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <006701c8373f$fc658c80$f530a580$@com> We currently cap our vacation at 3 weeks after 10 years. They get 1 week after a year, 2 weeks after 5 and 3 weeks after 10. I cannot imagine doing without some of them for 4 weeks or more a year. We do make arrangements for unpaid health or family issues but 4 weeks with all legal holidays is hard for a small business to work with. Now here comes my issue. I am looking at acquiring a shop that has 5 out of 8 who are long term (16-22 year) workers they all have 4 weeks, one even gets 5 (22 years) I know if I buy the place all the old rules are out the door. I think I will cap them at my current 3 weeks. I got to believe this will not over well, but they would likely be closing if I do not buy them. For those of you who have bought others how did you handle accrued vacations and other benefits? I watched one where an owner started every one at one week and cut all benefits, in 6-9 months every key person had left. I want to keep them, but paying for a firm and then acquiring this type of long term benefits seem a high cost. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.14/1171 - Release Date: 12/4/2007 7:31 PM From bob at rjmprinting.com Wed Dec 5 08:23:06 2007 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Wed Dec 5 08:23:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How much vacation is to much? In-Reply-To: <006701c8373f$fc658c80$f530a580$@com> Message-ID: Several years ago we acquired a firm like you described, after going over everything we determined that it was best to "fire" everyone from the old firm and "hire" them under our policies and guidelines. The reason the other firm was struggling was due to excess payroll and the main culprit was benefits. After a year pretty much all of their people had left or been let go. Most of them retired. I think that in acquisitions it is very rare that people from the firm acquired stay around long. Usually the reason they are in trouble is that they have been doing it the same way for a number of years and it most likely will not be your way. I have a press operator who has been with us for 10 years and he is pushing for a 4th week of vacation. We give 9 holidays, so I don't think he is going to get it. JMO Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 7:09 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] How much vacation is to much? Importance: High ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We currently cap our vacation at 3 weeks after 10 years. They get 1 week after a year, 2 weeks after 5 and 3 weeks after 10. I cannot imagine doing without some of them for 4 weeks or more a year. We do make arrangements for unpaid health or family issues but 4 weeks with all legal holidays is hard for a small business to work with. Now here comes my issue. I am looking at acquiring a shop that has 5 out of 8 who are long term (16-22 year) workers they all have 4 weeks, one even gets 5 (22 years) I know if I buy the place all the old rules are out the door. I think I will cap them at my current 3 weeks. I got to believe this will not over well, but they would likely be closing if I do not buy them. For those of you who have bought others how did you handle accrued vacations and other benefits? I watched one where an owner started every one at one week and cut all benefits, in 6-9 months every key person had left. I want to keep them, but paying for a firm and then acquiring this type of long term benefits seem a high cost. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.14/1171 - Release Date: 12/4/2007 7:31 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jdaghir at gmail.com Wed Dec 5 08:51:12 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Wed Dec 5 08:51:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How much vacation is to much? In-Reply-To: <006701c8373f$fc658c80$f530a580$@com> References: <20071205091624.45330CCE3B4@rb.enter.net> <006701c8373f$fc658c80$f530a580$@com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620712050551q39f09e8dpca77939401526354@mail.gmail.com> John I agree with you - 4 to 5 weeks of vacation is just too much for a small operation. I would be inclined to cap them at your maximum current policy. But human nature being what it is they will understandably perceive this as the new owner taking something away from them and will most likely resent it. If they are worthwhile employees and you want to keep them happy I would try to find something to "replace" the lost vacation time on an emotional level - not necessarily a dollar for dollar replacement. Maybe a combination of cash bonus along with a gift of some sort? Or if you don't necessarily want to keep all of the employees take the opposite hard-line approach - all employees of the acquired business are terminated and you will evaluate them for rehire with SOME consideration given for time served with the previous company. If you only hire some of them back, those that you rehire probably will not be complaining about lost vacation time. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com John said: > Now here comes my issue. I am looking at acquiring a shop that has 5 out of > 8 who are long term (16-22 year) workers they all have 4 weeks, one even > gets 5 (22 years) I know if I buy the place all the old rules are out the > door. I think I will cap them at my current 3 weeks. I got to believe this > will not over well, but they would likely be closing if I do not buy them. > For those of you who have bought others how did you handle accrued vacations > and other benefits? I watched one where an owner started every one at one > week and cut all benefits, in 6-9 months every key person had left. From peter at keystonepress.com Wed Dec 5 09:08:26 2007 From: peter at keystonepress.com (Peter Church) Date: Wed Dec 5 09:11:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How much vacation is to much? In-Reply-To: <83d5b9620712050551q39f09e8dpca77939401526354@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003101c83748$4ea86190$7d01a8c0@key.local> About two years ago my small printing company with 4 employees bought out a 14 person 4 color shop. It had been going downhill and the employees knew that the doors were about to close. I positioned myself as a white knight and offered all of them (but two),jobs with my new combined company at their present pay. However; since they were new employees of the company, they would accrue 1 week of vacation the first year and two weeks after that. In case they had made plans for more vacation than that I would allow them to take off and additional week with no pay. There was some grumbling, but only one person left. We now give 9 paid holidays, 2 paid sick days, and a max of two weeks paid vacation. Peter Church Keystone Press, LLC 9 Old Falls Road Manchester, NH 03103 phone: 603-622-5222 fax: 603-622-9432 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Daghir Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 8:51 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] How much vacation is to much? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** John I agree with you - 4 to 5 weeks of vacation is just too much for a small operation. I would be inclined to cap them at your maximum current policy. But human nature being what it is they will understandably perceive this as the new owner taking something away from them and will most likely resent it. If they are worthwhile employees and you want to keep them happy I would try to find something to "replace" the lost vacation time on an emotional level - not necessarily a dollar for dollar replacement. Maybe a combination of cash bonus along with a gift of some sort? Or if you don't necessarily want to keep all of the employees take the opposite hard-line approach - all employees of the acquired business are terminated and you will evaluate them for rehire with SOME consideration given for time served with the previous company. If you only hire some of them back, those that you rehire probably will not be complaining about lost vacation time. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com John said: > Now here comes my issue. I am looking at acquiring a shop that has 5 out of > 8 who are long term (16-22 year) workers they all have 4 weeks, one even > gets 5 (22 years) I know if I buy the place all the old rules are out the > door. I think I will cap them at my current 3 weeks. I got to believe this > will not over well, but they would likely be closing if I do not buy them. > For those of you who have bought others how did you handle accrued vacations > and other benefits? I watched one where an owner started every one at one > week and cut all benefits, in 6-9 months every key person had left. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Dec 5 09:14:59 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 5 09:15:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How much vacation is to much? Message-ID: In a message dated 12/5/2007 8:16:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, John@mpcny.com writes: For those of you who have bought others how did you handle accrued vacations and other benefits? As for accrued vacation time, that would be the responsibility of the seller and ought to be deducted from the final selling price. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From ahavens at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 5 09:25:16 2007 From: ahavens at sbcglobal.net (Havens Printing and Copy Shop) Date: Wed Dec 5 09:21:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Chipping on press References: <889f9b47ba082d8194cf5187ab20b4cf@mauiprintworks.com> Message-ID: <002401c8374a$a887d180$0301a8c0@Leah> Throwing chipboard in as the press runs was standard practice at our shop. Owner and/or operators alike. What's tricky was one time when we had to insert a sixth sheet of CFB carbonless into some five part precollated while running. We ran the sixth part first and inserted it while running the five part. Only had to do it on one, but it worked. Austin Havens, Owner Havens Printing & Copy Shop 200 N Main McPherson, KS 67460 620-241-5400 ahavens@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maui Print Works" To: "Print Owners-Discussion List Owners Only" Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 7:24 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Chipping on press > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Ok, I've run press for 30 years, the last 10 - 15 + has been from my desk > but I started inserting the chipboard while running the job. It's easy, > just a little coordination. Well, my son Joseph grew up in this shop, and > just assumes it's the natural thing to do. He can run a job on the QM-46 > at 10,000 an hour pull a sheet to make adjustments count down in his head > and throw the chipboard in without as stop. Now he expects others to do > what he can. Shoots, if the pressman can't do that they're just going to > stand there and watch it run anyway. Kinda reminds me of Charles Lincolns > video of the newbe pressman running envelopes at 10,000 an hour :) > > Bill Marsh Maui Print Works > 70 Central Ave., Wailuku, HI 96793 > (808)242-6634 Fax (808)242-8967 > bill@mauiprintworks.com www. mauiprintworks.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From info at desktopsxm.com Wed Dec 5 09:22:40 2007 From: info at desktopsxm.com (Joel Brint) Date: Wed Dec 5 09:23:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How much vacation is to much? In-Reply-To: <003101c83748$4ea86190$7d01a8c0@key.local> References: <003101c83748$4ea86190$7d01a8c0@key.local> Message-ID: Just thought I would mention this. Over here It is compulsory here to give 15 working days (3 weeks) vacation per year. This works out to 1.25 days per month and if they leave or you MANAGE to get rid of them, they have to get paid out for their vacation until that time. Somehow all the businesses manage, including us. I bet Australia is worse. Joel Brint Desktop Imaging St. Maarten Tel 542-4044 fax 543-1100 "The Printshop with a Difference" On Dec 5, 2007, at 10:08 AM, Peter Church wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > About two years ago my small printing company with 4 employees > bought out a > 14 person 4 color shop. It had been going downhill and the > employees knew > that the doors were about to close. I positioned myself as a white > knight > and offered all of them (but two),jobs with my new combined company > at their > present pay. However; since they were new employees of the company, > they > would accrue 1 week of vacation the first year and two weeks after > that. In > case they had made plans for more vacation than that I would allow > them to > take off and additional week with no pay. > > There was some grumbling, but only one person left. > > We now give 9 paid holidays, 2 paid sick days, and a max of two > weeks paid > vacation. > > > > > > > Peter Church > Keystone Press, LLC > 9 Old Falls Road > Manchester, NH 03103 > phone: 603-622-5222 > fax: 603-622-9432 > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Daghir > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 8:51 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] How much vacation is to much? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > John I agree with you - 4 to 5 weeks of vacation is just too much > for a > small operation. I would be inclined to cap them at your maximum > current > policy. But human nature being what it is they will understandably > perceive > this as the new owner taking something away from them and will most > likely > resent it. If they are worthwhile employees and you want to keep > them happy > I would try to find something to "replace" the lost vacation time > on an > emotional level - not necessarily a dollar for dollar replacement. > Maybe a > combination of cash bonus along with a gift of some sort? > > Or if you don't necessarily want to keep all of the employees take the > opposite hard-line approach - all employees of the acquired > business are > terminated and you will evaluate them for rehire with SOME > consideration > given for time served with the previous company. If you only hire > some of > them back, those that you rehire probably will not be complaining > about lost > vacation time. > > > -- > Jeff Daghir > MPS Printing, Inc. > "The Ink & Paper People" > Madison, IN > www.mpsprinting.com > jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com > > > > John said: >> Now here comes my issue. I am looking at acquiring a shop that has >> 5 out > of >> 8 who are long term (16-22 year) workers they all have 4 weeks, >> one even >> gets 5 (22 years) I know if I buy the place all the old rules are >> out the >> door. I think I will cap them at my current 3 weeks. I got to >> believe this >> will not over well, but they would likely be closing if I do not >> buy them. >> For those of you who have bought others how did you handle accrued > vacations >> and other benefits? I watched one where an owner started every one >> at one >> week and cut all benefits, in 6-9 months every key person had left. > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Wed Dec 5 09:42:40 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 5 09:43:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Chipping on press Message-ID: Honestly, I've run presses before. I was able to set up the press, check ink & water and still insert sheets after every 100. The meter is right there. For those that have run presses before you know, all the sounds & incorrect sounds (eg. jams) when your on that press. You pressman can not tell me that he can insert little markers after every 100. give or take a sheet or two. I've run thousands of pads & inserted as the press was running. And to purchase a machine to insert strips, just boggles my mind. Unless your shop has a press dedicated SOLELY for pads. You just can't convinced me that it's worth the purchase, unless of course you have more money than god. Merry Christmas All! Thank you Tommy Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed Dec 5 09:47:29 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed Dec 5 09:51:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] We need comical Event Speakers - suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200712051451.lB5Ep8ek057721@i2bnetworks.com> Just curious...... How do you sun your buns in San Luis Obispo when its most likely May Grey? S. At 01:00 PM 12/4/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I have the dubious honor of being the >Chairperson for the California Association of >Business Printers (CABP for short) annual "Sun >Your Buns" event, to be held at the end of May >2008 in San Luis Obispo. Where we try and >increase the knowledge of our members regarding >different facets of the printing business. > >I am looking for speakers, preferably from >within the printing business who have a humorous >presentation, taking into consideration that >this is a not-for-profit group, where 100% pay raise is still zero. > >Any suggestions, phone numbers, e-mail addresses would be gratefully received. > >Also, anyone who wants to join the group (we >have about 90 members at the moment), please >e-mail me separately and I can send you the info about CABP. > >Thank you. > >Bob Cook > >-- >insty_prints at bpandi >Business Printing and Imaging >24414 S. Main St., Suite 203, Carson, CA 90745 > >310-856-0532 Fax 310-856-0534 > >email: insty_prints@bpandi.com >www.bpandi.com > >Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider >Approved Microsoft Publisher Service Provider > >This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is >intended only for use by the addressee(s) named >herein and may contain legally privileged and/or >confidential information. If you are not the >intended recipient of this e-mail, you are >hereby notified that any dissemination, >distribution or copying of this e-mail, and any >attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If >you have received this e-mail in error, please >immediately notify me by telephone or by return >email, and please permanently delete the >original and any copy of this message, its >attachments, and any printout thereof. > >All content included with this email is >?2007 Business Printing and Imaging and may >not be reproduced or used without written permission. >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2701 (20071204) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From armand at curryonline.com Wed Dec 5 09:51:43 2007 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Wed Dec 5 09:52:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How much vacation is to much? In-Reply-To: <006701c8373f$fc658c80$f530a580$@com> References: <20071205091624.45330CCE3B4@rb.enter.net> <006701c8373f$fc658c80$f530a580$@com> Message-ID: <001701c8374e$59d1fd50$0d75f7f0$@com> I strongly believe that if you take care of your employees, they will take care of you (assuming you have the right kind of employee that understands the concept). With that in mind, we offer "paid time off" which includes vacation time and sick time all wrapped into one account. This eliminates people calling in sick if they need time off to run errands, etc. Our plan: After 1 year: 8 days off After 2 years: 13 days off After 5 years: 18 days off After 10 years: 23 days off My staff is stable. Very little turnover. Also, with the concept off paid time off, they use their time evenly throughout the year with the exception of maybe a full week or 2 off during the summer. Works well for us. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 8:09 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] How much vacation is to much? Importance: High ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We currently cap our vacation at 3 weeks after 10 years. They get 1 week after a year, 2 weeks after 5 and 3 weeks after 10. I cannot imagine doing without some of them for 4 weeks or more a year. We do make arrangements for unpaid health or family issues but 4 weeks with all legal holidays is hard for a small business to work with. Now here comes my issue. I am looking at acquiring a shop that has 5 out of 8 who are long term (16-22 year) workers they all have 4 weeks, one even gets 5 (22 years) I know if I buy the place all the old rules are out the door. I think I will cap them at my current 3 weeks. I got to believe this will not over well, but they would likely be closing if I do not buy them. For those of you who have bought others how did you handle accrued vacations and other benefits? I watched one where an owner started every one at one week and cut all benefits, in 6-9 months every key person had left. I want to keep them, but paying for a firm and then acquiring this type of long term benefits seem a high cost. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.14/1171 - Release Date: 12/4/2007 7:31 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Wed Dec 5 10:29:11 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Wed Dec 5 10:30:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Chipping on press In-Reply-To: <20071205091624.28B0CCCE3B1@rb.enter.net> References: <20071205091624.28B0CCCE3B1@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: We tried to purchase one of these from Brackett in May 2007 - spoke to owner/president. It's no longer manufactured. We purchased a Bourg to collate chipboard instead. > I spoke with Mike Murray, President/CEO, Brackett (800) 255-3506 > and was told that Flikur > Model FIM-1 chipboard inserter is no longer manufactured. > What about the Brackett Flikur chipboard inserter? I don't > believe I've ever seen that device mentioned on PrintOwners > and wonder why. > > http://www.brackett-inc.com/Literature/FLIKFAX.PDF > > Looks like it would be a worthwhile piece of equipment for any > shop running pads daily. > > Pros and cons from anybody who uses or has used the Flikur? Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From ep101 at technaprint.com Wed Dec 5 10:38:45 2007 From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson) Date: Wed Dec 5 10:39:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pay Instead of Vacation In-Reply-To: <02fc01c836c9$46724740$8302a8c0@Robbin> Message-ID: > I've had an employee ask me if she might exchange a week of vacation she has > coming for the pay she would receive during the week. Her husband is out of > work, and they could certainly use the money. However, I've never done this > before. Are there any legal ramifications to this? Hi Susan, Yep, we've done this from time to time. We encourage the folks to take the time off for the recuperative benefits, but sometimes it's better for their mental well-being to have the extra money. It doesn't come up very often, but occasionally we'll get the request--usually it's not a total cashout rather something like one of two weeks in cash. Not any legal ramifications that I'm aware of but in the spirit of fair play, if you do this for one you should be prepared to do it for anyone... Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com From matt at printcoinc.com Wed Dec 5 10:55:14 2007 From: matt at printcoinc.com (Matt Mewhorter, Printco) Date: Wed Dec 5 10:55:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How much vacation is to much? In-Reply-To: <001701c8374e$59d1fd50$0d75f7f0$@com> References: <20071205091624.45330CCE3B4@rb.enter.net><006701c8373f$fc658c80$f530a580$@com> <001701c8374e$59d1fd50$0d75f7f0$@com> Message-ID: <043b01c83757$39dd8380$0900a8c0@MATT> That is very generous Armand, but I do agree with your concept "if you take care of your employees, they will take care of you". Our plan: After 1 year: 1 week (5 working days, 8 hours per day) After 2 years: 2 weeks (10 working days, 8 hours per day) After 7 years: 3 weeks (15 working days, 8 hours per day) We consider this vacation time. It is paid. We do not offer sick time. I am very honest and reasonable with all my people. I expect the same back from them. Works well for us. Matt Mewhorter | Printco, Inc. | 425.255.7700 -----Original Message----- From: Armand Girard [mailto:armand@curryonline.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 6:52 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] How much vacation is to much? I strongly believe that if you take care of your employees, they will take care of you (assuming you have the right kind of employee that understands the concept). With that in mind, we offer "paid time off" which includes vacation time and sick time all wrapped into one account. This eliminates people calling in sick if they need time off to run errands, etc. Our plan: After 1 year: 8 days off After 2 years: 13 days off After 5 years: 18 days off After 10 years: 23 days off My staff is stable. Very little turnover. Also, with the concept off paid time off, they use their time evenly throughout the year with the exception of maybe a full week or 2 off during the summer. Works well for us. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 8:09 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] How much vacation is to much? Importance: High ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We currently cap our vacation at 3 weeks after 10 years. They get 1 week after a year, 2 weeks after 5 and 3 weeks after 10. I cannot imagine doing without some of them for 4 weeks or more a year. We do make arrangements for unpaid health or family issues but 4 weeks with all legal holidays is hard for a small business to work with. Now here comes my issue. I am looking at acquiring a shop that has 5 out of 8 who are long term (16-22 year) workers they all have 4 weeks, one even gets 5 (22 years) I know if I buy the place all the old rules are out the door. I think I will cap them at my current 3 weeks. I got to believe this will not over well, but they would likely be closing if I do not buy them. For those of you who have bought others how did you handle accrued vacations and other benefits? I watched one where an owner started every one at one week and cut all benefits, in 6-9 months every key person had left. I want to keep them, but paying for a firm and then acquiring this type of long term benefits seem a high cost. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.14/1171 - Release Date: 12/4/2007 7:31 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From tammie at macombprinter.com Wed Dec 5 11:16:39 2007 From: tammie at macombprinter.com (Tammie at Quickprinters) Date: Wed Dec 5 11:17:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Country Club Dues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I just quoted a monthly newsletter for the country club here in town. We have considered joining the club before, but since we live 22 miles away, we have hesitated. The guy I'm working with on the quote said we are a little higher than their old printer, but if we would join, he could probably talk the board into going with us. I'm sure we could get a lot more business because of this from other members, and that would be the main reason we would join. We are perfectly happy with our golf course closer to home. OK, here is my main question: Is there any way this membership can be a business expense? Thanks, Tammie Tammie Speer ---------------------------------- Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS __________________________________ 1120 East Jackson Street Macomb, IL 61455 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Wed Dec 5 11:21:06 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Wed Dec 5 11:21:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Chipping on press In-Reply-To: <20071205153016.81562CCF8EF@rb.enter.net> References: <20071205153016.81562CCF8EF@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <2ec2f165a1ec4ee1702371babb0a7a70@sheergraphics.com> > Honestly, I've run presses before. .... I've run thousands of pads & > inserted as the press was running. I've never run a press in my life. But a pressman running two QuickMasters concurrently better uses his time than inserting chipboard. > And to purchase a machine to insert strips, just boggles my mind. > Unless your shop has > a press dedicated SOLELY for pads. You just can't convinced me that > it's > worth the purchase, unless of course you have more money than god. I don't have more money than God, but your mind would be boggled as to what proportion of jobs in the bindery area benefit from a tape inserter on each of our QM46s. It's not just for padding jobs. Think of consistent trimming cut heights, shrink wrapping, preparation for carton loading, accuracy of package count. We purchased a Bourg collator to insert chipboard every 10 or 15 sheets on several jobs we regularly print. The total time saving (press and bindery) over tape inserting and hand collating (maximum speed of QM46 was about 7700 ipm when inserting every 10 sheets) was measured, calculated and is amazingly boggling. The Bourg also does not have to be closely watched, so that the bindery operator can perform a second task - concurrently. Employees doing two thing at once - it's mind boggling! Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From mitch at mitchevansconsulting.com Wed Dec 5 11:28:49 2007 From: mitch at mitchevansconsulting.com (Mitch Evans) Date: Wed Dec 5 11:29:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Country Club Dues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00a601c8375b$eae9ed90$6501a8c0@Y765TJ> T Mitch Evans Mitch Evans Consulting & The Next Level Group 168 E. Inlet Drive Palm Beach, FL 33480 561-351-6950 phone 561-845-7525 fax www.mitchevansconsulting.com www.the-nextlevelgroup.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tammie at Quickprinters Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 11:17 AM To: Printowners List Subject: [PrintOwners] Country Club Dues ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I just quoted a monthly newsletter for the country club here in town. We have considered joining the club before, but since we live 22 miles away, we have hesitated. The guy I'm working with on the quote said we are a little higher than their old printer, but if we would join, he could probably talk the board into going with us. I'm sure we could get a lot more business because of this from other members, and that would be the main reason we would join. We are perfectly happy with our golf course closer to home. OK, here is my main question: Is there any way this membership can be a business expense? Thanks, Tammie Tammie Speer ---------------------------------- Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS __________________________________ 1120 East Jackson Street Macomb, IL 61455 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Wed Dec 5 11:29:15 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Wed Dec 5 11:30:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Country Club Dues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My accountant says that if I get more business from this account than what the dues are, and I am getting the work because I am a member, then it is deductible. Might want to check with your accountant to verify. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tammie at Quickprinters Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 10:17 AM To: Printowners List Subject: [PrintOwners] Country Club Dues ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I just quoted a monthly newsletter for the country club here in town. We have considered joining the club before, but since we live 22 miles away, we have hesitated. The guy I'm working with on the quote said we are a little higher than their old printer, but if we would join, he could probably talk the board into going with us. I'm sure we could get a lot more business because of this from other members, and that would be the main reason we would join. We are perfectly happy with our golf course closer to home. OK, here is my main question: Is there any way this membership can be a business expense? Thanks, Tammie Tammie Speer ---------------------------------- Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS __________________________________ 1120 East Jackson Street Macomb, IL 61455 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.08720 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.08720 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From mitch at mitchevansconsulting.com Wed Dec 5 11:30:19 2007 From: mitch at mitchevansconsulting.com (Mitch Evans) Date: Wed Dec 5 11:30:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Country Club Dues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00a701c8375c$20807eb0$6501a8c0@Y765TJ> Tammie -- best you can do is make it an entertainment expense which is 50% deductible -- in the good old days you could write off any upfront initiation and all of the dues plus all other expenses that were business related. Mitch Mitch Evans Mitch Evans Consulting & The Next Level Group 168 E. Inlet Drive Palm Beach, FL 33480 561-351-6950 phone 561-845-7525 fax www.mitchevansconsulting.com www.the-nextlevelgroup.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tammie at Quickprinters Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 11:17 AM To: Printowners List Subject: [PrintOwners] Country Club Dues ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I just quoted a monthly newsletter for the country club here in town. We have considered joining the club before, but since we live 22 miles away, we have hesitated. The guy I'm working with on the quote said we are a little higher than their old printer, but if we would join, he could probably talk the board into going with us. I'm sure we could get a lot more business because of this from other members, and that would be the main reason we would join. We are perfectly happy with our golf course closer to home. OK, here is my main question: Is there any way this membership can be a business expense? Thanks, Tammie Tammie Speer ---------------------------------- Tammie@MacombPrinter.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS __________________________________ 1120 East Jackson Street Macomb, IL 61455 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 http://www.macombprinter.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From scottv at regalpress.net Wed Dec 5 11:42:07 2007 From: scottv at regalpress.net (Scott Vicnaire) Date: Wed Dec 5 11:42:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Coating for color copies Message-ID: <02d501c8375d$c699bef0$ab00a8c0@dimension4550> Hello, I have a client who would like a cookbook copied in color, and would like the pages to be spill-resistant/wipeable. Has anyone used a source for coating customer supplied sheets like this? Quantity would be between 500 and 1000 12 X 18 sheets. TIA Sincerely, Scott Vicnaire President Regal Printing & Graphics 140 South Main Street Brewer, ME 04412 207-989-4100 265 Water Street Ellsworth, ME 04605 207-667-5227 www.regalpress.net From jodib at blackfoot.net Wed Dec 5 12:08:56 2007 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Wed Dec 5 12:09:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Coating for color copies References: <02d501c8375d$c699bef0$ab00a8c0@dimension4550> Message-ID: <00b001c83761$855896b0$0101a8c0@desktoppbl> I wonder if Rite In The Rain paper would run through a color copier (military and forest service use this) can't find my rolodex card on them but you could probably google....... Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing Missoula, Montana jodib@blackfoot.net 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Vicnaire" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 9:42 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Coating for color copies > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello, > > I have a client who would like a cookbook copied in color, and would like > the pages to be spill-resistant/wipeable. Has anyone used a source for > coating customer supplied sheets like this? Quantity would be between 500 > and 1000 12 X 18 sheets. > > TIA > > Sincerely, > > > Scott Vicnaire > President > > Regal Printing & Graphics > > 140 South Main Street > Brewer, ME 04412 > 207-989-4100 > > 265 Water Street > Ellsworth, ME 04605 > 207-667-5227 > > www.regalpress.net > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From alewinter at datapalette.com Wed Dec 5 12:17:03 2007 From: alewinter at datapalette.com (Andrew LeWinter) Date: Wed Dec 5 12:11:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Coating for color copies References: <02d501c8375d$c699bef0$ab00a8c0@dimension4550> Message-ID: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D5022DB86@mail1.datapalette.local> We have sent jobs to a laminator to film laminate after printing on our Docucolors. If you need heavier than that, you would have to consider sheet lamination, but I am not sure how well that will work with a toner image. Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Vicnaire Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 11:42 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Coating for color copies ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hello, I have a client who would like a cookbook copied in color, and would like the pages to be spill-resistant/wipeable. Has anyone used a source for coating customer supplied sheets like this? Quantity would be between 500 and 1000 12 X 18 sheets. TIA Sincerely, Scott Vicnaire President Regal Printing & Graphics 140 South Main Street Brewer, ME 04412 207-989-4100 265 Water Street Ellsworth, ME 04605 207-667-5227 www.regalpress.net _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From Susan at cdandp.net Wed Dec 5 15:29:04 2007 From: Susan at cdandp.net (Susan Compton) Date: Wed Dec 5 12:29:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pay Instead of Vacation References: Message-ID: <00e001c8377d$7b0dc9c0$8302a8c0@Robbin> Thanks everyone for your suggestions. I really like the idea of offering the vacation (two weeks in this respect) at the first of the year as either work time off or cash. I asked my employees what they thought, and they all liked the idea. Besides, as was said, a vacation day paid in cash is a day with an employee in the shop. Hey, Eric (and others in Oregon & Washington), how are you faring in the wild weather? Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Steet Lexington, VA 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Pearson" To: "printowners printweb.org" Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Pay Instead of Vacation > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> I've had an employee ask me if she might exchange a week of vacation she >> has >> coming for the pay she would receive during the week. Her husband is out >> of >> work, and they could certainly use the money. However, I've never done >> this >> before. Are there any legal ramifications to this? > > Hi Susan, > > Yep, we've done this from time to time. We encourage the folks to take the > time off for the recuperative benefits, but sometimes it's better for > their > mental well-being to have the extra money. It doesn't come up very often, > but occasionally we'll get the request--usually it's not a total cashout > rather something like one of two weeks in cash. Not any legal > ramifications > that I'm aware of but in the spirit of fair play, if you do this for one > you > should be prepared to do it for anyone... > > Eric Pearson > President/C.E.O. > > ------------ > > TechnaPrint, Inc. > 909 Garfield Street > Eugene, OR 97402-2706 > (541) 344-4062 > (541) 344-1765 Fax > > ep101@technaprint.com > www.technaprint.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2704 (20071205) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > From jgross at techiowa.com Wed Dec 5 12:44:35 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Wed Dec 5 12:44:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pay Instead of Vacation In-Reply-To: <00e001c8377d$7b0dc9c0$8302a8c0@Robbin> Message-ID: <000001c83766$8098ab60$1e00000a@tech.local> Susan, you aren't paying cash outside of your regular payroll system are you? You really do need to do the entire withholding thing. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Susan Compton Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 2:29 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Pay Instead of Vacation ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Thanks everyone for your suggestions. I really like the idea of offering the vacation (two weeks in this respect) at the first of the year as either work time off or cash. I asked my employees what they thought, and they all liked the idea. Besides, as was said, a vacation day paid in cash is a day with an employee in the shop. Hey, Eric (and others in Oregon & Washington), how are you faring in the wild weather? Susan Wells Compton Compton Design & Printing Inc. 109 South Jefferson Steet Lexington, VA 24450 540-463-9232 540-464-4329 Fax Susan@cdandp.net www.cdandp.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Pearson" To: "printowners printweb.org" Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Pay Instead of Vacation > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> I've had an employee ask me if she might exchange a week of vacation she >> has >> coming for the pay she would receive during the week. Her husband is out >> of >> work, and they could certainly use the money. However, I've never done >> this >> before. Are there any legal ramifications to this? > > Hi Susan, > > Yep, we've done this from time to time. We encourage the folks to take the > time off for the recuperative benefits, but sometimes it's better for > their > mental well-being to have the extra money. It doesn't come up very often, > but occasionally we'll get the request--usually it's not a total cashout > rather something like one of two weeks in cash. Not any legal > ramifications > that I'm aware of but in the spirit of fair play, if you do this for one > you > should be prepared to do it for anyone... > > Eric Pearson > President/C.E.O. > > ------------ > > TechnaPrint, Inc. > 909 Garfield Street > Eugene, OR 97402-2706 > (541) 344-4062 > (541) 344-1765 Fax > > ep101@technaprint.com > www.technaprint.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2704 (20071205) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bherion at bucksdigital.com Wed Dec 5 13:14:59 2007 From: bherion at bucksdigital.com (Bob Herion) Date: Wed Dec 5 13:15:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Coating for color copies In-Reply-To: <20071205170003.C8541CCFFF2@rb.enter.net> References: <20071205170003.C8541CCFFF2@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071205130708.03434e40@bucksdigital.com> Scott, you want a sealed edge film lamination on each finished page to insure against damage. If the edges aren't sealed, spills will leach in through the exposed edges. There must be someone in your area. Liquid coatings will help, but will not hold up to cook book treatment. Hope that helps. At 12:00 PM 12/5/2007, you wrote: >Hello, > >I have a client who would like a cookbook copied in color, and would >like the pages to be spill-resistant/wipeable. Has anyone used a >source for coating customer supplied sheets like this? Quantity >would be between 500 and 1000 12 X 18 sheets. > >TIA > >Sincerely, > > >Scott Vicnaire >President > >Regal Printing & Graphics > >140 South Main Street >Brewer, ME 04412 >207-989-4100 > >265 Water Street >Ellsworth, ME 04605 >207-667-5227 > >www.regalpress.net Bob Herion - Ask me about variable data printing on our iGen3's Bucks Digital Printing v.215.579.4200 f.215-579-9510 90 Walker Lane Newtown, PA 18940 www.bucksdigital.com From kellycrom at gmail.com Wed Dec 5 13:14:34 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Wed Dec 5 13:15:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Coating for color copies In-Reply-To: <02d501c8375d$c699bef0$ab00a8c0@dimension4550> References: <02d501c8375d$c699bef0$ab00a8c0@dimension4550> Message-ID: <04d001c8376a$bc3610a0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Depending on your color copier, there are some "digital" polyester stocks that will run through them. I know Xerox has some. However, the stock is pretty expensive(relatively) and you may find that laminating inexpensive paper to be comparable in price. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Vicnaire > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 10:42 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] Coating for color copies > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hello, > > I have a client who would like a cookbook copied in color, > and would like the pages to be spill-resistant/wipeable. Has > anyone used a source for coating customer supplied sheets > like this? Quantity would be between 500 and 1000 12 X 18 sheets. > > TIA > > Sincerely, > > > Scott Vicnaire > President > > Regal Printing & Graphics > > 140 South Main Street > Brewer, ME 04412 > 207-989-4100 > > 265 Water Street > Ellsworth, ME 04605 > 207-667-5227 > > www.regalpress.net > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From keli at parchmentpress.net Wed Dec 5 14:54:40 2007 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Wed Dec 5 14:54:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Coating for color copies In-Reply-To: <04d001c8376a$bc3610a0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <02d501c8375d$c699bef0$ab00a8c0@dimension4550> <04d001c8376a$bc3610a0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <47570200.8090709@parchmentpress.net> teslin works on my copier - but ouch it is costly Keli Parchment Press Coxsackie, NY Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Depending on your color copier, there are some "digital" polyester stocks > that will run through them. I know Xerox has some. > However, the stock is pretty expensive(relatively) and you may find that > laminating inexpensive paper to be comparable in price. > > Kelly Crom > Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. > > We've Moved!!! > 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 > Plymouth, MN 55441 > New Phone: (763)231-6970 > kellycrom@gmail.com > www.applied-graphics.com > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Vicnaire >> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 10:42 AM >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> Subject: [PrintOwners] Coating for color copies >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Hello, >> >> I have a client who would like a cookbook copied in color, >> and would like the pages to be spill-resistant/wipeable. Has >> anyone used a source for coating customer supplied sheets >> like this? Quantity would be between 500 and 1000 12 X 18 sheets. >> >> TIA >> >> Sincerely, >> >> >> Scott Vicnaire >> President >> >> Regal Printing & Graphics >> >> 140 South Main Street >> Brewer, ME 04412 >> 207-989-4100 >> >> 265 Water Street >> Ellsworth, ME 04605 >> 207-667-5227 >> >> www.regalpress.net >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From prtquick at eos.net Wed Dec 5 15:35:20 2007 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Wed Dec 5 15:35:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] removable/reusable mailing labels In-Reply-To: <47570200.8090709@parchmentpress.net> References: <02d501c8375d$c699bef0$ab00a8c0@dimension4550> <04d001c8376a$bc3610a0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <47570200.8090709@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: I have a customer who want us to do a postcard mailing. They would like the postcards labeled (not inkjet addressed) and have the recipients peel off the labels and attach them to their tax forms. Anyone recommend a 'removable' label for this? We have a label printer and a label applicator we just rarely use them anymore. I was planning on an uncoated cover stock for this, but I will probably use a matte coated cover stock now. Thanks! Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit us in our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing From gamble at choiceonemail.com Wed Dec 5 15:45:21 2007 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Wed Dec 5 15:45:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] removable/reusable mailing labels In-Reply-To: References: <02d501c8375d$c699bef0$ab00a8c0@dimension4550><04d001c8376a$bc3610a0$6d01a8c0@KELLY><47570200.8090709@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: <065a01c8377f$c0ddba30$0301a8c0@RICK> Scott, They make a piggy back label when you print them they have a second liner and label can be removed. Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. Buffalo,NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Finke Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 3:35 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] removable/reusable mailing labels ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I have a customer who want us to do a postcard mailing. They would like the postcards labeled (not inkjet addressed) and have the recipients peel off the labels and attach them to their tax forms. Anyone recommend a 'removable' label for this? We have a label printer and a label applicator we just rarely use them anymore. I was planning on an uncoated cover stock for this, but I will probably use a matte coated cover stock now. Thanks! Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit us in our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mitch.eaton at printingstation.com Wed Dec 5 15:58:00 2007 From: mitch.eaton at printingstation.com (Mitch Eaton) Date: Wed Dec 5 15:59:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How much vacation is to much? In-Reply-To: <001701c8374e$59d1fd50$0d75f7f0$@com> Message-ID: <013401c83781$855ca7d0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Our policy is similar to Armand's . . . We only track PTO, and it is tracked as Scheduled PTO, or Un-Scheduled PTO. We ask that they schedule at least 2 weeks in advance to count as scheduled. PTO schedule is as follows: 6 months 5 days 1 Year 10 days 2 years 15 days 5 years 20 days In addition we pay for 7 holidays. Our situation is similar to Armand's, we had one person this year come up on their 10 year anniversary with several more celebrating 10 year anniversaries within the next 1-2 years. It works well for us too. Mitch Eaton The Printing Station 1420 Locust Street Des Moines, IA 50309 515-243-8144 866-866-7414 Fax 515-243-6540 mitch.eaton@printingstation.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Armand Girard Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 8:52 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] How much vacation is to much? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I strongly believe that if you take care of your employees, they will take care of you (assuming you have the right kind of employee that understands the concept). With that in mind, we offer "paid time off" which includes vacation time and sick time all wrapped into one account. This eliminates people calling in sick if they need time off to run errands, etc. Our plan: After 1 year: 8 days off After 2 years: 13 days off After 5 years: 18 days off After 10 years: 23 days off My staff is stable. Very little turnover. Also, with the concept off paid time off, they use their time evenly throughout the year with the exception of maybe a full week or 2 off during the summer. Works well for us. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of John Henry Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 8:09 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] How much vacation is to much? Importance: High ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We currently cap our vacation at 3 weeks after 10 years. They get 1 week after a year, 2 weeks after 5 and 3 weeks after 10. I cannot imagine doing without some of them for 4 weeks or more a year. We do make arrangements for unpaid health or family issues but 4 weeks with all legal holidays is hard for a small business to work with. Now here comes my issue. I am looking at acquiring a shop that has 5 out of 8 who are long term (16-22 year) workers they all have 4 weeks, one even gets 5 (22 years) I know if I buy the place all the old rules are out the door. I think I will cap them at my current 3 weeks. I got to believe this will not over well, but they would likely be closing if I do not buy them. For those of you who have bought others how did you handle accrued vacations and other benefits? I watched one where an owner started every one at one week and cut all benefits, in 6-9 months every key person had left. I want to keep them, but paying for a firm and then acquiring this type of long term benefits seem a high cost. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.14/1171 - Release Date: 12/4/2007 7:31 PM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From slb at inkspot.net Wed Dec 5 15:11:26 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Dec 5 16:11:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (really really OFF) In-Reply-To: <200712041735.lB4HZPwo015897@i2bnetworks.com> References: <000f01c8368b$0d2a5010$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: <4756BF9E.19229.1395BE1@slb.inkspot.net> Along the same lines, I hold degrees in engineering and biology from MIT. I don't claim expertise in climatology or earth science, but I **do** claim expertise in evaluating data, and in separating data from politics. If you look at Al Gore's graphs of CO2 vs temperature, you find that, indeed, they "fit" with a delay. However, the delay is the opposite of his claim. In other words, CO2 follows temperature, rather than temperature following CO2 (with a delay of a few hundred years, which, on the scale of his illustrations, can be hard to see). Temperature seems to follow solar output, and CO2 follows temperature. Both pass the "common sense" test, as well. You would expect temperatures at the earth's surface to rise with increased solar output, and, since plants grow better in warmer temperatures, and plants give off CO2 as part of photosynthesis, you would expect higher CO2 levels with increased temperature. >From my reading, it seems that there is general agreement that things are warming slightly. This is not necessarily a bad thing. The medieval warm period was a growth period for human and animal populations, partly as a result of increased agricultural output. There seems to be general agreement that the oceans will continue to rise at about 1/4" per year, as they have since the end of the "little ice age" in the 1800s. At the same time, there seems to be general agreement that there will NOT be anything remotely resembling the 40 foot rise in sea level mentioned in Gore's film, and there is NO agreement that human-generated CO2 has any sigificant effect on global temperatures. If you want to read a well-researched account of the subject, I'd suggest Bjorn Lomborg's book on the subject. As a former member of Greenpeace, he set his students to proving Julian Simon wrong, and found that the data went in the opposite direction. The result was his first popular-press book, The Skeptical Environmentalist. His new global warming book is a sequel to that, and I'd expect it to be just as well researched and footnoted. Steve > > > John, you hit a nerve this morning so let me post something I just > have to get off my chest. Thank you for your indulgence..... > > > Global Warming..... > > Before I was in printing, I was in Science. I'm published in the > scientific literature (my lab techniques are credited in 3 papers) > and my area of study from the University of California San Diego was > Chemistry with an emphasis in Earth Sciences. > > So I studied the chemistry of the Earth, the oceans and the > atmosphere. I understand more than most about the systems of the > Earth, and I also understand more than most about how much we don't > understand about the systems of the Earth. > > This is not a political post, it is one with a little bit of critical > thinking, and that is all that I am trying to say here. > > There are many in this country and many throughout the world that are > looking at all of this and saying "Yup up it must be happening" and > taking it as fact. > > It is not fact. There may be a change in the climate happening, but > change is normal for climate, it runs through cycles that can take > 100's or 1000's or hundreds of thousands of years. > Most people have no idea of the timelines of geological processes, > millions of years is a hard concept to get your head around. > > Anyway, Global Warming is now a political movement and is almost like > political correctness where its unpopular to voice any sentiment > against what it takes for gospel...much like a religion. > > Has anybody thought about how the ice age happened. We weren't here > to cause that so how did the Earth do that without our help? > > I would encourage those who are interested, to think about Solar > Output and how it has changed over the span of the last 100 years. It > turns out that solar output can change, (the sun runs though cycles > too) and all of the energy that drives all the systems on the surface > of the Earth (atmospheric weather and temperature, ocean currents and > salinity gradients etc.) derive their source of energy from the sun. > The geothermal systems (those under the surface) obviously are not > influenced by solar output. > > The media is mostly ignorant about solar output as a cause. I believe > many scientists are afraid to speak up because of political > ramifications. Trust me when I say this...THE most political of > occupations, is politics. THE second most political of occupations, is science. > > I would encourage all who want to think critically about this issue > to Google global warming solar output. > > Read for yourself, look at the correlations. > > The short term climate is changing, but I can't say for a FACT why, > neither can Al Gore or any other Gloabal Warming evangelista..... > > Put your preconceptions aside and read. And then tell others to read. > Get informed before making your judgements about the Earth's climate. > > Thank you for your indulgence, off to my first client meeting of the day.... > > > S. > > > > > > > > At 07:33 AM 12/4/2007, you wrote: > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >Iowa is interesting this month. Yesterday I listened to Joe Biden speak on > >foreign policy. Our foreign relations are critical. Global warming is a > >major concern, but nothing like nuclear proliferation. If these were the > >only issues to be concerned about, Biden is far above the others. > > > >I thought my mind was made up, now I'm not so sure. > > > >John A. Gross > >Technigraphics, Inc. > >PO Box 1846 > >Iowa City, Iowa 52244 > >jgross@techiowa.com > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz > >Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:26 AM > >To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > >Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Recession Planning > > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >I would vote Republican... > > > >John Henry > > > >John - > > > >With the expectation that they'd do what, fill the ditch they dug for us or > >dig it deeper? right back at you. > > > >Dan > >Sir Speedy Printing Center > >5845 Hollywood Boulevard > >Hollywood, FL 33021 > >tel. 954.962.1309 > >fax 954.962.1366 > >dan@myprinter.biz > >www.myprinter.biz > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of John Henry > >Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:11 AM > >To: printowners@printweb.org > >Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Recession Planning > >Importance: High > > > > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >I would vote Republican... > > > > > > > > > >The Recessions I have been in have actually been ok for me, receivables got > >longer but most firms started spending more money on print. You see what do > >you do when you're business is hurting? Cut back, then you find you need > >more sales so then what do you do? Spend money finding them and I am here > >ready to help with that (find customers and take your money) > > > >What I will do is hone my sales to that point. Want more business? Is a > >possibility of a Recession worrying you? Call me and let me show ways to > >rescission proof your sales... > > > >John M. Henry > >Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company > >125-129 East First Street > >Oswego, New York 13126 > >(315) 343-3531 > >(315) 343-3577 Fax > >www.mpcny.com > >John@mpcny.com > > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. > >Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1169 - Release Date: 12/3/2007 > >10:56 PM > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > >__________ NOD32 2701 (20071204) Information __________ > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >http://www.eset.com > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From dennis.trump at gmail.com Wed Dec 5 16:25:38 2007 From: dennis.trump at gmail.com (Dennis Trump) Date: Wed Dec 5 16:25:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] removable/reusable mailing labels In-Reply-To: References: <02d501c8375d$c699bef0$ab00a8c0@dimension4550> <04d001c8376a$bc3610a0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <47570200.8090709@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: <41aa6a080712051325v5e94749ei56472c461e7b50ec@mail.gmail.com> > I have a customer who want us to do a postcard mailing. They would like > the postcards labeled (not inkjet addressed) and have the recipients > peel off the labels and attach them to their tax forms. Haven't used those for years now but they used to be pretty common. As Rick mentioned they are piggyback labels but I think you're going to need to pull out your old Cheshire equipment to apply them. If you want to do them by hand try here: www.avery.com/us/products/demos/piggyback/index.html I sure wouldn't want to do too many that way. -- Dennis Trump Trump Direct a print and direct mail communications company Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Dec 5 16:25:27 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 5 16:26:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (really really OFF) Message-ID: In a message dated 12/5/2007 4:14:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, slb@inkspot.net writes: At the same time, there seems to be general agreement that there will NOT be anything remotely resembling the 40 foot rise in sea level mentioned in Gore's film, and there is NO agreement that human-generated CO2 has any sigificant effect on global temperatures. Personally, I am hoping for something in the 10 foot increase in sea level. At that point, my house will barely be above water (at least a low tide), and I will have waves crashing at our front door, rather than across the street. However, it also means that the ocean should break through the barrier island just south of my house, and at that point, the state will have to buy my house at some exorbitant price just to build a new bridge to connect North and South highway A1A. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From mail at myprinter.biz Wed Dec 5 16:30:28 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Wed Dec 5 16:29:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (really really OFF) In-Reply-To: <4756BF9E.19229.1395BE1@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: Steve - Another extremely important factor in atmospheric CO2 levels that's affected by global warming - regardless of its cause - is the ocean's temperature. It's the single largest CO2 "sink" we've got and, much like soft drinks, holds less CO2 as it heats - and more as it cools. P.S. If you haven't yet heard/read about "global dimming," it's an interesting phenomenon (less sunlight is reaching earth, as demonstrated by "pan evaporation" studies, among others) that interplays with the global warming issue and is worth learning about. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Steve Blatman Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 3:11 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (really really OFF) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Along the same lines, I hold degrees in engineering and biology from MIT. I don't claim expertise in climatology or earth science, but I **do** claim expertise in evaluating data, and in separating data from politics. If you look at Al Gore's graphs of CO2 vs temperature, you find that, indeed, they "fit" with a delay. However, the delay is the opposite of his claim. In other words, CO2 follows temperature, rather than temperature following CO2 (with a delay of a few hundred years, which, on the scale of his illustrations, can be hard to see). Temperature seems to follow solar output, and CO2 follows temperature. Both pass the "common sense" test, as well. You would expect temperatures at the earth's surface to rise with increased solar output, and, since plants grow better in warmer temperatures, and plants give off CO2 as part of photosynthesis, you would expect higher CO2 levels with increased temperature. >From my reading, it seems that there is general agreement that things are warming slightly. This is not necessarily a bad thing. The medieval warm period was a growth period for human and animal populations, partly as a result of increased agricultural output. There seems to be general agreement that the oceans will continue to rise at about 1/4" per year, as they have since the end of the "little ice age" in the 1800s. At the same time, there seems to be general agreement that there will NOT be anything remotely resembling the 40 foot rise in sea level mentioned in Gore's film, and there is NO agreement that human-generated CO2 has any sigificant effect on global temperatures. If you want to read a well-researched account of the subject, I'd suggest Bjorn Lomborg's book on the subject. As a former member of Greenpeace, he set his students to proving Julian Simon wrong, and found that the data went in the opposite direction. The result was his first popular-press book, The Skeptical Environmentalist. His new global warming book is a sequel to that, and I'd expect it to be just as well researched and footnoted. Steve > > > John, you hit a nerve this morning so let me post something I just > have to get off my chest. Thank you for your indulgence..... > > > Global Warming..... > > Before I was in printing, I was in Science. I'm published in the > scientific literature (my lab techniques are credited in 3 papers) > and my area of study from the University of California San Diego was > Chemistry with an emphasis in Earth Sciences. > > So I studied the chemistry of the Earth, the oceans and the > atmosphere. I understand more than most about the systems of the > Earth, and I also understand more than most about how much we don't > understand about the systems of the Earth. > > This is not a political post, it is one with a little bit of critical > thinking, and that is all that I am trying to say here. > > There are many in this country and many throughout the world that are > looking at all of this and saying "Yup up it must be happening" and > taking it as fact. > > It is not fact. There may be a change in the climate happening, but > change is normal for climate, it runs through cycles that can take > 100's or 1000's or hundreds of thousands of years. > Most people have no idea of the timelines of geological processes, > millions of years is a hard concept to get your head around. > > Anyway, Global Warming is now a political movement and is almost like > political correctness where its unpopular to voice any sentiment > against what it takes for gospel...much like a religion. > > Has anybody thought about how the ice age happened. We weren't here > to cause that so how did the Earth do that without our help? > > I would encourage those who are interested, to think about Solar > Output and how it has changed over the span of the last 100 years. It > turns out that solar output can change, (the sun runs though cycles > too) and all of the energy that drives all the systems on the surface > of the Earth (atmospheric weather and temperature, ocean currents and > salinity gradients etc.) derive their source of energy from the sun. > The geothermal systems (those under the surface) obviously are not > influenced by solar output. > > The media is mostly ignorant about solar output as a cause. I believe > many scientists are afraid to speak up because of political > ramifications. Trust me when I say this...THE most political of > occupations, is politics. THE second most political of occupations, is science. > > I would encourage all who want to think critically about this issue > to Google global warming solar output. > > Read for yourself, look at the correlations. > > The short term climate is changing, but I can't say for a FACT why, > neither can Al Gore or any other Gloabal Warming evangelista..... > > Put your preconceptions aside and read. And then tell others to read. > Get informed before making your judgements about the Earth's climate. > > Thank you for your indulgence, off to my first client meeting of the day.... > > > S. > > > > > > > > At 07:33 AM 12/4/2007, you wrote: > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >Iowa is interesting this month. Yesterday I listened to Joe Biden speak on > >foreign policy. Our foreign relations are critical. Global warming is a > >major concern, but nothing like nuclear proliferation. If these were the > >only issues to be concerned about, Biden is far above the others. > > > >I thought my mind was made up, now I'm not so sure. > > > >John A. Gross > >Technigraphics, Inc. > >PO Box 1846 > >Iowa City, Iowa 52244 > >jgross@techiowa.com > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz > >Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:26 AM > >To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > >Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Recession Planning > > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >I would vote Republican... > > > >John Henry > > > >John - > > > >With the expectation that they'd do what, fill the ditch they dug for us or > >dig it deeper? right back at you. > > > >Dan > >Sir Speedy Printing Center > >5845 Hollywood Boulevard > >Hollywood, FL 33021 > >tel. 954.962.1309 > >fax 954.962.1366 > >dan@myprinter.biz > >www.myprinter.biz > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of John Henry > >Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:11 AM > >To: printowners@printweb.org > >Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Recession Planning > >Importance: High > > > > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >I would vote Republican... > > > > > > > > > >The Recessions I have been in have actually been ok for me, receivables got > >longer but most firms started spending more money on print. You see what do > >you do when you're business is hurting? Cut back, then you find you need > >more sales so then what do you do? Spend money finding them and I am here > >ready to help with that (find customers and take your money) > > > >What I will do is hone my sales to that point. Want more business? Is a > >possibility of a Recession worrying you? Call me and let me show ways to > >rescission proof your sales... > > > >John M. Henry > >Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company > >125-129 East First Street > >Oswego, New York 13126 > >(315) 343-3531 > >(315) 343-3577 Fax > >www.mpcny.com > >John@mpcny.com > > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. > >Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1169 - Release Date: 12/3/2007 > >10:56 PM > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > >__________ NOD32 2701 (20071204) Information __________ > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >http://www.eset.com > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From gamble at choiceonemail.com Wed Dec 5 16:37:47 2007 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Wed Dec 5 16:38:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] removable/reusable mailing labels In-Reply-To: <41aa6a080712051325v5e94749ei56472c461e7b50ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <02d501c8375d$c699bef0$ab00a8c0@dimension4550><04d001c8376a$bc3610a0$6d01a8c0@KELLY><47570200.8090709@parchmentpress.net> <41aa6a080712051325v5e94749ei56472c461e7b50ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <065e01c83787$142aefd0$0301a8c0@RICK> Dennis, I have also seen these 1 up pin feed you can run off a dot matrix printer. Rick Bird -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Trump Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 4:26 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] removable/reusable mailing labels ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > I have a customer who want us to do a postcard mailing. They would like > the postcards labeled (not inkjet addressed) and have the recipients > peel off the labels and attach them to their tax forms. Haven't used those for years now but they used to be pretty common. As Rick mentioned they are piggyback labels but I think you're going to need to pull out your old Cheshire equipment to apply them. If you want to do them by hand try here: www.avery.com/us/products/demos/piggyback/index.html I sure wouldn't want to do too many that way. -- Dennis Trump Trump Direct a print and direct mail communications company Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bradw at auburnprint.com Wed Dec 5 16:37:47 2007 From: bradw at auburnprint.com (Brad Weston) Date: Wed Dec 5 16:38:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] PrintSmith Users or X users Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20071205121739.05bdb230@192.168.1.1> We are considering moving to Printer's Plan from PrintSmith. I need to know approximate time to convert from PrintSmith. We have data going back to 1999 All of our Job ticket and report writer forms are custom. We have about 900 customer/prospects We have about 600 charges. We have 4 different presses with a total 25 different configurations We have 100 + templates. So please give me a guesstimate on how many hours to convert everything over to Printer's Plan? What are the hidden issues in converting? What won't convert and has to be re-entered? Thanks Brad Weston Auburn Printers 13020 Earhart Ave Auburn CA 95602 "Endurance Capitol of the World" 530-885-9674 Phone 530-885-6517 Fax <http://www.auburnprint.com/> From jgross at techiowa.com Wed Dec 5 16:44:53 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Wed Dec 5 16:45:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (really really OFF) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006301c83788$127a1610$1e00000a@tech.local> Have any of our scientists with time on their hands identified the amount of CO2 released from a can of soda and calculated how many cans a day go "pssst"? Then compare a coal fired power plant to Pepsi? I know the soft drink industry won't answer this question. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 3:30 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (really really OFF) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Steve - Another extremely important factor in atmospheric CO2 levels that's affected by global warming - regardless of its cause - is the ocean's temperature. It's the single largest CO2 "sink" we've got and, much like soft drinks, holds less CO2 as it heats - and more as it cools. P.S. If you haven't yet heard/read about "global dimming," it's an interesting phenomenon (less sunlight is reaching earth, as demonstrated by "pan evaporation" studies, among others) that interplays with the global warming issue and is worth learning about. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Steve Blatman Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 3:11 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (really really OFF) ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Along the same lines, I hold degrees in engineering and biology from MIT. I don't claim expertise in climatology or earth science, but I **do** claim expertise in evaluating data, and in separating data from politics. If you look at Al Gore's graphs of CO2 vs temperature, you find that, indeed, they "fit" with a delay. However, the delay is the opposite of his claim. In other words, CO2 follows temperature, rather than temperature following CO2 (with a delay of a few hundred years, which, on the scale of his illustrations, can be hard to see). Temperature seems to follow solar output, and CO2 follows temperature. Both pass the "common sense" test, as well. You would expect temperatures at the earth's surface to rise with increased solar output, and, since plants grow better in warmer temperatures, and plants give off CO2 as part of photosynthesis, you would expect higher CO2 levels with increased temperature. >From my reading, it seems that there is general agreement that things are warming slightly. This is not necessarily a bad thing. The medieval warm period was a growth period for human and animal populations, partly as a result of increased agricultural output. There seems to be general agreement that the oceans will continue to rise at about 1/4" per year, as they have since the end of the "little ice age" in the 1800s. At the same time, there seems to be general agreement that there will NOT be anything remotely resembling the 40 foot rise in sea level mentioned in Gore's film, and there is NO agreement that human-generated CO2 has any sigificant effect on global temperatures. If you want to read a well-researched account of the subject, I'd suggest Bjorn Lomborg's book on the subject. As a former member of Greenpeace, he set his students to proving Julian Simon wrong, and found that the data went in the opposite direction. The result was his first popular-press book, The Skeptical Environmentalist. His new global warming book is a sequel to that, and I'd expect it to be just as well researched and footnoted. Steve > > > John, you hit a nerve this morning so let me post something I just > have to get off my chest. Thank you for your indulgence..... > > > Global Warming..... > > Before I was in printing, I was in Science. I'm published in the > scientific literature (my lab techniques are credited in 3 papers) > and my area of study from the University of California San Diego was > Chemistry with an emphasis in Earth Sciences. > > So I studied the chemistry of the Earth, the oceans and the > atmosphere. I understand more than most about the systems of the > Earth, and I also understand more than most about how much we don't > understand about the systems of the Earth. > > This is not a political post, it is one with a little bit of critical > thinking, and that is all that I am trying to say here. > > There are many in this country and many throughout the world that are > looking at all of this and saying "Yup up it must be happening" and > taking it as fact. > > It is not fact. There may be a change in the climate happening, but > change is normal for climate, it runs through cycles that can take > 100's or 1000's or hundreds of thousands of years. > Most people have no idea of the timelines of geological processes, > millions of years is a hard concept to get your head around. > > Anyway, Global Warming is now a political movement and is almost like > political correctness where its unpopular to voice any sentiment > against what it takes for gospel...much like a religion. > > Has anybody thought about how the ice age happened. We weren't here > to cause that so how did the Earth do that without our help? > > I would encourage those who are interested, to think about Solar > Output and how it has changed over the span of the last 100 years. It > turns out that solar output can change, (the sun runs though cycles > too) and all of the energy that drives all the systems on the surface > of the Earth (atmospheric weather and temperature, ocean currents and > salinity gradients etc.) derive their source of energy from the sun. > The geothermal systems (those under the surface) obviously are not > influenced by solar output. > > The media is mostly ignorant about solar output as a cause. I believe > many scientists are afraid to speak up because of political > ramifications. Trust me when I say this...THE most political of > occupations, is politics. THE second most political of occupations, is science. > > I would encourage all who want to think critically about this issue > to Google global warming solar output. > > Read for yourself, look at the correlations. > > The short term climate is changing, but I can't say for a FACT why, > neither can Al Gore or any other Gloabal Warming evangelista..... > > Put your preconceptions aside and read. And then tell others to read. > Get informed before making your judgements about the Earth's climate. > > Thank you for your indulgence, off to my first client meeting of the day.... > > > S. > > > > > > > > At 07:33 AM 12/4/2007, you wrote: > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >Iowa is interesting this month. Yesterday I listened to Joe Biden speak on > >foreign policy. Our foreign relations are critical. Global warming is a > >major concern, but nothing like nuclear proliferation. If these were the > >only issues to be concerned about, Biden is far above the others. > > > >I thought my mind was made up, now I'm not so sure. > > > >John A. Gross > >Technigraphics, Inc. > >PO Box 1846 > >Iowa City, Iowa 52244 > >jgross@techiowa.com > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz > >Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:26 AM > >To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > >Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Recession Planning > > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >I would vote Republican... > > > >John Henry > > > >John - > > > >With the expectation that they'd do what, fill the ditch they dug for us or > >dig it deeper? right back at you. > > > >Dan > >Sir Speedy Printing Center > >5845 Hollywood Boulevard > >Hollywood, FL 33021 > >tel. 954.962.1309 > >fax 954.962.1366 > >dan@myprinter.biz > >www.myprinter.biz > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of John Henry > >Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:11 AM > >To: printowners@printweb.org > >Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Recession Planning > >Importance: High > > > > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >I would vote Republican... > > > > > > > > > >The Recessions I have been in have actually been ok for me, receivables got > >longer but most firms started spending more money on print. You see what do > >you do when you're business is hurting? Cut back, then you find you need > >more sales so then what do you do? Spend money finding them and I am here > >ready to help with that (find customers and take your money) > > > >What I will do is hone my sales to that point. Want more business? Is a > >possibility of a Recession worrying you? Call me and let me show ways to > >rescission proof your sales... > > > >John M. Henry > >Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company > >125-129 East First Street > >Oswego, New York 13126 > >(315) 343-3531 > >(315) 343-3577 Fax > >www.mpcny.com > >John@mpcny.com > > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. > >Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1169 - Release Date: 12/3/2007 > >10:56 PM > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > >__________ NOD32 2701 (20071204) Information __________ > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >http://www.eset.com > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From prtquick at eos.net Wed Dec 5 16:45:56 2007 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Wed Dec 5 16:45:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] removable/reusable mailing labels In-Reply-To: <065e01c83787$142aefd0$0301a8c0@RICK> References: <02d501c8375d$c699bef0$ab00a8c0@dimension4550><04d001c8376a$bc3610a0$6d01a8c0@KELLY><47570200.8090709@parchmentpress.net> <41aa6a080712051325v5e94749ei56472c461e7b50ec@mail.gmail.com> <065e01c83787$142aefd0$0301a8c0@RICK> Message-ID: <91522e05c952501c0ca7cd5fc9b0f22e@eos.net> I found some in my Data Label catalog (now that I know what they are called) and it looks like we can run them through our equipment (a Tally pin-feed inkjet and an Astro Label/Tab machine). 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Printing On Dec 5, 2007, at 4:37 PM, Rick Bird wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Dennis, > > I have also seen these 1 up pin feed you can run off a dot matrix > printer. > > Rick Bird > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Trump > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 4:26 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] removable/reusable mailing labels > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> I have a customer who want us to do a postcard mailing. They would >> like >> the postcards labeled (not inkjet addressed) and have the recipients >> peel off the labels and attach them to their tax forms. > > Haven't used those for years now but they used to be pretty common. As > Rick mentioned they are piggyback labels but I think you're going to > need to pull out your old Cheshire equipment to apply them. If you > want to do them by hand try here: > > www.avery.com/us/products/demos/piggyback/index.html > > I sure wouldn't want to do too many that way. > > -- > Dennis Trump > Trump Direct > a print and direct mail communications company > Decatur IL > www.trumpdirect.com > trump@trumpdirect.com > 217.429.9001 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From sgfinke at fuse.net Wed Dec 5 17:21:33 2007 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Wed Dec 5 17:23:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (really really OFF) In-Reply-To: <006301c83788$127a1610$1e00000a@tech.local> References: <006301c83788$127a1610$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: <16BB30DB-85C1-420A-B8D0-183A5580C2C6@fuse.net> > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Have any of our scientists with time on their hands identified the > amount of > CO2 released from a can of soda and calculated how many cans a day go > "pssst"? Then compare a coal fired power plant to Pepsi? I know > the soft > drink industry won't answer this question. No, but this article from the Jerusalem Post explains how, if everyone lights one fewer candle during Hannukah, it will reduce Global Warming. I'm not Jewish but apparently there's one candle that you can skip. http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite? cid=1195546797524&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull Or how about that new car insurance policy that donates $25 to some environmental charity or other? You can still drive as much as you want to, but you can feel better knowing that your Global Warming Purgatory is reduced by $25. > > P.S. If you haven't yet heard/read about "global dimming," it's an > interesting phenomenon (less sunlight is reaching earth, as > demonstrated by > "pan evaporation" studies, among others) that interplays with the > global > warming issue and is worth learning about. I haven't read about it but I think I have noticed quite a few instances of "dimming" among my neighbors. Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed Dec 5 17:28:00 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed Dec 5 17:31:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (really really OFF) In-Reply-To: References: <4756BF9E.19229.1395BE1@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <200712052231.lB5MVdPN065065@i2bnetworks.com> A very good point Dan. The ocean IS a huge Co2 "sink" One of the things I learned during my formal education, yet no one in the media has even breathed a word about, is how the oceans act as the great regulator of not only planetary temperature, but its chemistry as well. Did you know that as the vapor pressure of CO2 increases in the atmosphere (translated: more), a good portion of that is absorbed by the oceans where microscopic sea life use the dissolved CO2 and naturally occurring Calcium to form their micro skeletons which eventually fall to the bottom when they die. There, Calcium Carbonate CaCO3 piles up to form limestone thereby trapping the CO2 as a chemical component of the rock. The CO2 cycle is much more complex than anyone in the media could possibly understand....they just report what their friends with the loudest mouths are screaming...like the sky is falling and we'd better sign Kyoto (which someone so brilliantly pointed out that exempts China and India).....huh? One more case of "don't confuse me with the facts" Its pathetic. S. At 01:30 PM 12/5/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Steve - > >Another extremely important factor in atmospheric CO2 levels that's affected >by global warming - regardless of its cause - is the ocean's temperature. > >It's the single largest CO2 "sink" we've got and, much like soft drinks, >holds less CO2 as it heats - and more as it cools. > >P.S. If you haven't yet heard/read about "global dimming," it's an >interesting phenomenon (less sunlight is reaching earth, as demonstrated by >"pan evaporation" studies, among others) that interplays with the global >warming issue and is worth learning about. > >Dan >Sir Speedy Printing Center >5845 Hollywood Boulevard >Hollywood, FL 33021 >tel. 954.962.1309 >fax 954.962.1366 >dan@myprinter.biz >www.myprinter.biz > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Steve Blatman >Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 3:11 PM >To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Global Warming (really really OFF) > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Along the same lines, I hold degrees in engineering and biology from >MIT. I don't claim expertise in climatology or earth science, but I >**do** claim expertise in evaluating data, and in separating data >from politics. > >If you look at Al Gore's graphs of CO2 vs temperature, you find that, >indeed, they "fit" with a delay. However, the delay is the opposite >of his claim. In other words, CO2 follows temperature, rather than >temperature following CO2 (with a delay of a few hundred years, >which, on the scale of his illustrations, can be hard to see). >Temperature seems to follow solar output, and CO2 follows >temperature. Both pass the "common sense" test, as well. You would >expect temperatures at the earth's surface to rise with increased >solar output, and, since plants grow better in warmer temperatures, >and plants give off CO2 as part of photosynthesis, you would expect >higher CO2 levels with increased temperature. > > >From my reading, it seems that there is general agreement that things >are warming slightly. This is not necessarily a bad thing. The >medieval warm period was a growth period for human and animal >populations, partly as a result of increased agricultural output. >There seems to be general agreement that the oceans will continue to >rise at about 1/4" per year, as they have since the end of the >"little ice age" in the 1800s. At the same time, there seems to be >general agreement that there will NOT be anything remotely resembling >the 40 foot rise in sea level mentioned in Gore's film, and there is >NO agreement that human-generated CO2 has any sigificant effect on >global temperatures. > >If you want to read a well-researched account of the subject, I'd >suggest Bjorn Lomborg's book on the subject. As a former member of >Greenpeace, he set his students to proving Julian Simon wrong, and >found that the data went in the opposite direction. The result was >his first popular-press book, The Skeptical Environmentalist. His new >global warming book is a sequel to that, and I'd expect it to be just >as well researched and footnoted. > >Steve > > > > > > > > > > John, you hit a nerve this morning so let me post something I just > > have to get off my chest. Thank you for your indulgence..... > > > > > > Global Warming..... > > > > Before I was in printing, I was in Science. I'm published in the > > scientific literature (my lab techniques are credited in 3 papers) > > and my area of study from the University of California San Diego was > > Chemistry with an emphasis in Earth Sciences. > > > > So I studied the chemistry of the Earth, the oceans and the > > atmosphere. I understand more than most about the systems of the > > Earth, and I also understand more than most about how much we don't > > understand about the systems of the Earth. > > > > This is not a political post, it is one with a little bit of critical > > thinking, and that is all that I am trying to say here. > > > > There are many in this country and many throughout the world that are > > looking at all of this and saying "Yup up it must be happening" and > > taking it as fact. > > > > It is not fact. There may be a change in the climate happening, but > > change is normal for climate, it runs through cycles that can take > > 100's or 1000's or hundreds of thousands of years. > > Most people have no idea of the timelines of geological processes, > > millions of years is a hard concept to get your head around. > > > > Anyway, Global Warming is now a political movement and is almost like > > political correctness where its unpopular to voice any sentiment > > against what it takes for gospel...much like a religion. > > > > Has anybody thought about how the ice age happened. We weren't here > > to cause that so how did the Earth do that without our help? > > > > I would encourage those who are interested, to think about Solar > > Output and how it has changed over the span of the last 100 years. It > > turns out that solar output can change, (the sun runs though cycles > > too) and all of the energy that drives all the systems on the surface > > of the Earth (atmospheric weather and temperature, ocean currents and > > salinity gradients etc.) derive their source of energy from the sun. > > The geothermal systems (those under the surface) obviously are not > > influenced by solar output. > > > > The media is mostly ignorant about solar output as a cause. I believe > > many scientists are afraid to speak up because of political > > ramifications. Trust me when I say this...THE most political of > > occupations, is politics. THE second most political of occupations, is >science. > > > > I would encourage all who want to think critically about this issue > > to Google global warming solar output. > > > > Read for yourself, look at the correlations. > > > > The short term climate is changing, but I can't say for a FACT why, > > neither can Al Gore or any other Gloabal Warming evangelista..... > > > > Put your preconceptions aside and read. And then tell others to read. > > Get informed before making your judgements about the Earth's climate. > > > > Thank you for your indulgence, off to my first client meeting of the >day.... > > > > > > S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 07:33 AM 12/4/2007, you wrote: > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > >Iowa is interesting this month. Yesterday I listened to Joe Biden speak >on > > >foreign policy. Our foreign relations are critical. Global warming is a > > >major concern, but nothing like nuclear proliferation. If these were the > > >only issues to be concerned about, Biden is far above the others. > > > > > >I thought my mind was made up, now I'm not so sure. > > > > > >John A. Gross > > >Technigraphics, Inc. > > >PO Box 1846 > > >Iowa City, Iowa 52244 > > >jgross@techiowa.com > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > > >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of mail@myprinter.biz > > >Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:26 AM > > >To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > >Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Recession Planning > > > > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > >I would vote Republican... > > > > > >John Henry > > > > > >John - > > > > > >With the expectation that they'd do what, fill the ditch they dug for us >or > > >dig it deeper? right back at you. > > > > > >Dan > > >Sir Speedy Printing Center > > >5845 Hollywood Boulevard > > >Hollywood, FL 33021 > > >tel. 954.962.1309 > > >fax 954.962.1366 > > >dan@myprinter.biz > > >www.myprinter.biz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > > >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of John Henry > > >Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:11 AM > > >To: printowners@printweb.org > > >Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Recession Planning > > >Importance: High > > > > > > > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > >I would vote Republican... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The Recessions I have been in have actually been ok for me, receivables >got > > >longer but most firms started spending more money on print. You see what >do > > >you do when you're business is hurting? Cut back, then you find you need > > >more sales so then what do you do? Spend money finding them and I am here > > >ready to help with that (find customers and take your money) > > > > > >What I will do is hone my sales to that point. Want more business? Is a > > >possibility of a Recession worrying you? Call me and let me show ways to > > >rescission proof your sales... > > > > > >John M. Henry > > >Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company > > >125-129 East First Street > > >Oswego, New York 13126 > > >(315) 343-3531 > > >(315) 343-3577 Fax > > >www.mpcny.com > > >John@mpcny.com > > > > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. > > >Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > >Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1169 - Release Date: >12/3/2007 > > >10:56 PM > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >PrintOwners Discussion List > > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >PrintOwners Discussion List > > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >PrintOwners Discussion List > > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > >__________ NOD32 2701 (20071204) Information __________ > > > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > >http://www.eset.com > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > Scott Cappel > > > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > > 7398 Trade Street > > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > > 858-527-0800 > > 858-527-1740 FAX > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > > > Direct Links for Learning: > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > >Steve Blatman >Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. >14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA >Tel: 610-647-0776 >Fax: 610-647-4560 > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2704 (20071205) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Wed Dec 5 17:43:38 2007 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Wed Dec 5 17:43:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] EZ Creaser Users In-Reply-To: <4756BF9E.19229.1395BE1@slb.inkspot.net> References: <000f01c8368b$0d2a5010$1e00000a@tech.local> <4756BF9E.19229.1395BE1@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: As I have posted before, I am evaluating an EZ Creaser and the Graphic Whizard Creasemaster Plus. I am leaning heavily towards the Creasemaster plus and appreciate the positive feed back I have received from some on this list. The salesman of the EZ Creaser has also sold us our press, DTP system, etc., so we have a good history. He insists the EZ Creaser will do all I want at almost half of the price. Phrases like "Have I ever steered you wrong" have come into play. And he hasn't, but I had extensively researched my past purchases, and with the advice I had from members on this list was comfortable that the equipment would do what I needed. I will go look at another EZ Creaser in the area at another print shop to demo it. However, the other printer has only had it for 2 or 3 weeks, so I don't know how valuable his input will be. But I would get to run some test jobs on various stocks. Does anyone on this list have experience with the EZ Creaser made by Count Machinery Company? If so, would you mind sharing your experience with it? Thanks, Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 From char at themasterspress.com Wed Dec 5 17:56:34 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Wed Dec 5 17:57:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color Message-ID: <009d01c83792$1fb41e70$0b01a8c0@CharXP> This just blows me away. Just got a quote for a job 5000 4/4 100# >From 4 Over for $109 with Aq coating. That is .022 each. How can we compete with that. Even doubling that price I can't run it on my copier for just the click charge. Geez. Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com From mitch.eaton at printingstation.com Wed Dec 5 17:58:56 2007 From: mitch.eaton at printingstation.com (Mitch Eaton) Date: Wed Dec 5 18:00:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] PrintSmith Users or X users In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20071205121739.05bdb230@192.168.1.1> Message-ID: <013901c83792$6a4b1ec0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Brad, I haven't made the conversion from PS to PP, but I have installed 3 different systems and here are some general things to think about. Someone that's made the actual conversion from PS to PP will probably have better information. 1. Make sure you know where to enter information into the new MIS, how the MIS uses the information, and then how to get it back out. I've made the mistake of spending a lot of time trying to make new software do something "just like" the old software. You may be better off with the way the new system processes information. The main thing here is to MAKE SURE YOU KNOW HOW THE NEW SYSTEM PROCESSES INFORMATION. 2. If you are going to export accounting information out of PP and into an accounting program (like QuickBooks or Peach Tree), you'll want to get the accounting side set up in PP before you start creating your press, copier, and charge definitions, so you can assign sales categories to the different definitions you are creating. 3. You're then going to have to get your press, copier, and service charges/definitions, defined in the new system. You will have to do some testing to make sure it's close to what you're charging now (assuming you're happy with pricing). PS has a lot ways to come up with prices. I'm sure PP does too. Before you go live you're going to want the new system to price pretty much like you want it to or you'll be fixing stuff on the fly. When you have the new system set up, test it against the old. Tweek where you need to. Make sure you know how it works. You'll be busy enough when you go live, you don't need the added aggravation of creating and/or editing your pricing definitions. 4. You are then going to want to get you customer information into PP. I think there's a way to get your customer information into PP fairly easily. I also believe there's a way to some customer history into PP (I don't know how much history detail you'll get). Once again, I doubt if all the customer information will import into PP without some kind of additional manipulation on your part. 5. When you're ready to go live you'll need to enter existing Accounts Receivable into PP. I don't know if there's an automated way to do that or not. My experience other systems is that you'll need to manually enter all the outstanding invoice balances into the new MIS. When I've made switches in the past (it's been a long time now), I've tried to run dual systems. I'm not sure it's worth the hassle. You don't have time make both systems behave exactly the same. You're better off spending the time doing the 5 items above thoroughly, and then spending some additional time after going live making sure it's doing what you think it should be doing. My two cents . . . good luck. Mitch Eaton The Printing Station 1420 Locust Street Des Moines, IA 50309 515-243-8144 866-866-7414 Fax 515-243-6540 mitch.eaton@printingstation.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Brad Weston Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 3:38 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] PrintSmith Users or X users ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are considering moving to Printer's Plan from PrintSmith. I need to know approximate time to convert from PrintSmith. We have data going back to 1999 All of our Job ticket and report writer forms are custom. We have about 900 customer/prospects We have about 600 charges. We have 4 different presses with a total 25 different configurations We have 100 + templates. So please give me a guesstimate on how many hours to convert everything over to Printer's Plan? What are the hidden issues in converting? What won't convert and has to be re-entered? Thanks Brad Weston Auburn Printers 13020 Earhart Ave Auburn CA 95602 "Endurance Capitol of the World" 530-885-9674 Phone 530-885-6517 Fax <http://www.auburnprint.com/> _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From robin at protypeonline.com Wed Dec 5 18:08:40 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed Dec 5 18:08:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color Message-ID: <79019A0C-7003-4024-B9E1-695B7B23E0FE@protypeonline.com> Calm Down Charlene -- you sell SERVICE not color copies -- and not even color copies -- you sell DIGITAL COLOR! :) And, what are the shipping costs? Other hidden costs? Do they require a pdf file? cost for customer to send them publisher file or some other file? I'm doing plenty of internet shopping for Christmas since I can't drive or walk long enough to get me to the malls yet ( I HATE indoor malls anyway!) and I can tell you, I am being convinced totally that it is a royal pain in the neck to do shopping on the internet and for something as customized as printing? Just wouldn't do it. I would like to see some survey results from past customers of 4-over or similar outfits -- re: customer satisfaction based on promise vs. delivered? On time? Correct? Price add-ons. You should tell your customer that not everyone can afford to do business with The Master's Press, only businesses that want to be spoiled and pampered and want their work done correctly and on time and you completely understand if they have to go someplace else, you hope they are able to use your services in the future! HA!!!! Time for a glass of cabernet! :) robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From mike at arborprinting.com Wed Dec 5 18:12:22 2007 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Wed Dec 5 18:10:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color References: <009d01c83792$1fb41e70$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <01b201c83794$4af09f30$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Char, you don't say what size or weight. There must be an error. 5,000 sheets of cheap #100 gloss text costs us exactly $109.00. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com mike@arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlene Sims" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 4:56 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > This just blows me away. Just got a quote for a job 5000 4/4 100# >>From 4 Over for $109 with Aq coating. That is .022 each. How can we > compete with that. Even doubling that price I can't run it on my copier > for > just the click charge. Geez. > > Charlene Sims > > The Master's Press, Inc > 14550 Midway Road > Dallas, Tx 75244 > 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 > char@themasterspress.com > www.themasterspress.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From char at themasterspress.com Wed Dec 5 18:28:26 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Wed Dec 5 18:28:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color In-Reply-To: <01b201c83794$4af09f30$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> References: <009d01c83792$1fb41e70$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <01b201c83794$4af09f30$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: <00a101c83796$88e796c0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Sorry it is 100# cover. 6 x 11 We are having 4 over do the job. It does take more time and you have to create perfect files to send to them but that is not a problem since we are creating the art. We have two weeks and the shipping is some but not really that much. I still can't touch it for what they are doing it for. I am not loosing the job, just stating that it is amazing to get that kind of price. They do a nice job, and we have had no problems with them. It is just sort of discouraging. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mike@arborprinting.com Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 5:12 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Char, you don't say what size or weight. There must be an error. 5,000 sheets of cheap #100 gloss text costs us exactly $109.00. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com mike@arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlene Sims" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 4:56 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > This just blows me away. Just got a quote for a job 5000 4/4 100# >>From 4 Over for $109 with Aq coating. That is .022 each. How can we > compete with that. Even doubling that price I can't run it on my copier > for > just the click charge. Geez. > > Charlene Sims > > The Master's Press, Inc > 14550 Midway Road > Dallas, Tx 75244 > 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 > char@themasterspress.com > www.themasterspress.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sos at olympus.net Wed Dec 5 18:28:38 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Wed Dec 5 18:30:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color References: <009d01c83792$1fb41e70$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <036701c83796$906e02d0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlene Sims" > This just blows me away. Just got a quote for a job 5000 4/4 100# >>From 4 Over for $109 with Aq coating. That is .022 each. How can we > compete with that. Even doubling that price I can't run it on my copier > for > just the click charge. Geez. ============================= You're right, we're doomed. Are those post cards, business cards, or what? If you want a standard item, and are willing to deal at a distance with a Vistaprint or 4over or whomever, then printing is amazingly cheap. It has seemed to me for some time, that it is a very odd business model, just hoping your customers don't find out about these people. Then again, we are busier than ever. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From slb at inkspot.net Wed Dec 5 17:35:46 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Wed Dec 5 18:36:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Computer backup issue--need advice In-Reply-To: References: <4756BF9E.19229.1395BE1@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <4756E172.470.1BD7FDB@slb.inkspot.net> I've spent too much of the last several days face to face with an inadequacy of my backup scheme. I'd value suggestions for improvements. Specifics: I experienced a hard disk issue with my laptop over the weekend. I had a recent Ghost image of the disk (all programs, but not all data). I was able to make a Ghost image of the damaged installation (data appeared fine, but Windows wouldn't boot). I restored the first Ghost image (which boots just fine). It has taken ridiculous amounts of time to restore data files from the more recent Ghost image. Either the decompression, the disk interface, or the Ghost image browser is incredibly slow. I don't think it's the interface, since I copied the Ghost image files from an external hard drive (one-touch) to an internal drive on a desktop system, and installed my laptop hard drive in the same desktop system, so the disk transfers are internal (but the image is on a SATA drive, and the laptop drive is IDE). Any suggestions for any of the following: 1. better imaging software? 2. better hardware suggestions? 3. anything else you might consider useful? TIA, Steve Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed Dec 5 18:44:01 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed Dec 5 18:47:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color In-Reply-To: <00a101c83796$88e796c0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <009d01c83792$1fb41e70$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <01b201c83794$4af09f30$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> <00a101c83796$88e796c0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <200712052347.lB5NleF7081773@i2bnetworks.com> You need to find clients (corporate ones) that are too busy to shop price but need a value added resource. This takes sales effort and hard work. Its not easy, but its very profitable. S. At 03:28 PM 12/5/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Sorry it is 100# cover. 6 x 11 >We are having 4 over do the job. It does take more time and you have to >create perfect files to send to them but that is not a problem since we are >creating the art. We have two weeks and the shipping is some but not really >that much. I still can't touch it for what they are doing it for. I am not >loosing the job, just stating that it is amazing to get that kind of price. >They do a nice job, and we have had no problems with them. It is just sort >of discouraging. >ch > >Charlene Sims > >The Master's Press, Inc >14550 Midway Road >Dallas, Tx 75244 >972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 >char@themasterspress.com >www.themasterspress.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of >Mike@arborprinting.com >Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 5:12 PM >To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Char, you don't say what size or weight. There must be an error. 5,000 >sheets of cheap #100 gloss text costs us exactly $109.00. >Thanks, > > >Michael Shuta >Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc >630-969-2277 >www.arborprinting.com >mike@arborprinting.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Charlene Sims" >To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > >Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 4:56 PM >Subject: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > This just blows me away. Just got a quote for a job 5000 4/4 100# > >>From 4 Over for $109 with Aq coating. That is .022 each. How can we > > compete with that. Even doubling that price I can't run it on my copier > > for > > just the click charge. Geez. > > > > Charlene Sims > > > > The Master's Press, Inc > > 14550 Midway Road > > Dallas, Tx 75244 > > 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 > > char@themasterspress.com > > www.themasterspress.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2705 (20071205) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From mike at arborprinting.com Wed Dec 5 18:55:55 2007 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Wed Dec 5 18:54:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color References: <009d01c83792$1fb41e70$0b01a8c0@CharXP><01b201c83794$4af09f30$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> <00a101c83796$88e796c0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <000801c8379a$60809570$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Actually, the lower their price, the more money you can make. Market sets the selling price, which should be substantially higher than what you are buying it for. Just for kicks, have some local trade printers price it, I'm sure their price will be higher. It makes you wonder though, what we have all that overhead for. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com mike@arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlene Sims" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 5:28 PM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Sorry it is 100# cover. 6 x 11 > We are having 4 over do the job. It does take more time and you have to > create perfect files to send to them but that is not a problem since we > are > creating the art. We have two weeks and the shipping is some but not > really > that much. I still can't touch it for what they are doing it for. I am > not > loosing the job, just stating that it is amazing to get that kind of > price. > They do a nice job, and we have had no problems with them. It is just > sort > of discouraging. > ch > > Charlene Sims > > The Master's Press, Inc > 14550 Midway Road > Dallas, Tx 75244 > 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 > char@themasterspress.com > www.themasterspress.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of > Mike@arborprinting.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 5:12 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Char, you don't say what size or weight. There must be an error. 5,000 > sheets of cheap #100 gloss text costs us exactly $109.00. > Thanks, > > > Michael Shuta > Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc > 630-969-2277 > www.arborprinting.com > mike@arborprinting.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charlene Sims" > To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 4:56 PM > Subject: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> This just blows me away. Just got a quote for a job 5000 4/4 100# >>>From 4 Over for $109 with Aq coating. That is .022 each. How can we >> compete with that. Even doubling that price I can't run it on my copier >> for >> just the click charge. Geez. >> >> Charlene Sims >> >> The Master's Press, Inc >> 14550 Midway Road >> Dallas, Tx 75244 >> 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 >> char@themasterspress.com >> www.themasterspress.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Wed Dec 5 19:59:18 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Wed Dec 5 20:01:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Online print makeover References: <20071205234754.26121CD1A4C@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: From: Scott Cappel > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Message-ID: <200712052347.lB5NleF7081773@i2bnetworks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed You need to find clients (corporate ones) that are too busy to shop price but need a value added resource. This takes sales effort and hard work. Its not easy, but its very profitable. S. A client has bought postcards and business cards from at least 5 different online vendors over the past 3 years. During this time, they have had many errors and reprints, but the low price is a great lure. It's been impossible for me to get their work away from the online companies, because this client is very computer literate and has the time to wait the 2 weeks for delivery. But, we keep plugging away with the occasional short turn time work and 'regular' printing. We answer the phone in English. We stop in from time to time. They get our bi-weekly email and direct mail advertising. That's all changing in an unusual way.... they want us to vend out the work to an online printer if we will double the price.... During the past few months, we have been setting up a website for their company which will allow them to order the same products through us. The customer does all the layout work, and submits the job to......an online printer through us. We pay the online printer, bill the client. This tells me all is not well in letting an online printer handle a large corporate client's business card and post card work. They spend 6 figures with us, yet went down and dirty for 3 years to save a few thousand a year on 2 products. I'm guessing they have been without product many, many times over the 3 years, and don't want to admit it. And I believe the ease of 'desktop' 24/7 ordering played a part. After we finish their website it will look much like a typical online printshop, and as I mentioned, they understand that we are vending it out to an online printer so it will still take just as long to produce. For this they are willing to pay $3,000 website set up fees, and double the rate they have been paying for their cards. What do ya think about this turn of events? LT Tucson From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed Dec 5 20:06:23 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed Dec 5 20:10:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Online print makeover In-Reply-To: References: <20071205234754.26121CD1A4C@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <200712060110.lB61A35t099293@i2bnetworks.com> Always give the clients what they want, and they'll be your clients. I don't think this is the norm, but for them, they're looking for fulfillment and not necessarily printing. Fullfillment has become a major component in our business model over the last two years, but we do the printing AND the fulfilling. I think the experts predicted this, and it has come to pass. You must have a web to print capability to do this. Our most profitable clients come to us for not only a printing capabilities, but also to fulfill on a national scale. Its where a good portion of the work is headed. S. At 04:59 PM 12/5/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >From: Scott Cappel > >Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color >To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> >Message-ID: ><200712052347.lB5NleF7081773@i2bnetworks.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > >You need to find clients (corporate ones) that are too busy to shop >price but need a value added resource. > >This takes sales effort and hard work. Its not easy, but its very profitable. > >S. > > A client has bought postcards and business cards from at least 5 > different online vendors over the past 3 years. > > During this time, they have had many errors and reprints, but the > low price is a great lure. > > It's been impossible for me to get their work away from the > online companies, because this client is very computer literate and > has the time to wait the 2 weeks for delivery. > > But, we keep plugging away with the occasional short turn time > work and 'regular' printing. We answer the phone in English. We > stop in from time to time. They get our bi-weekly email and direct > mail advertising. > > That's all changing in an unusual way.... they want us to vend > out the work to an online printer if we will double the price.... > > During the past few months, we have been setting up a website for > their company which will allow them to order the same products > through us. The customer does all the layout work, and submits the > job to......an online printer through us. We pay the online > printer, bill the client. > > This tells me all is not well in letting an online printer handle > a large corporate client's business card and post card work. > > They spend 6 figures with us, yet went down and dirty for 3 years > to save a few thousand a year on 2 products. > > I'm guessing they have been without product many, many times over > the 3 years, and don't want to admit it. > > And I believe the ease of 'desktop' 24/7 ordering played a > part. After we finish their website it will look much like a > typical online printshop, and as I mentioned, they understand that > we are vending it out to an online printer so it will still take > just as long to produce. > > For this they are willing to pay $3,000 website set up fees, and > double the rate they have been paying for their cards. > > What do ya think about this turn of events? > > LT > Tucson > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2705 (20071205) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From ep101 at technaprint.com Wed Dec 5 20:22:31 2007 From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson) Date: Wed Dec 5 20:22:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pay Instead of Vacation In-Reply-To: <00e001c8377d$7b0dc9c0$8302a8c0@Robbin> Message-ID: No problem in Eugene, but I understand a 20+ mile stretch of I-5 has been closed for the past several days up in the Milepost 60-80ish realm in Washington. I think that's in the Chehalis realm, but could be wrong. I believe they're really getting hammered about 1/2 way between Olympia and Portland. Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Thanks everyone for your suggestions. I really like the idea of offering > the vacation (two weeks in this respect) at the first of the year as either > work time off or cash. I asked my employees what they thought, and they all > liked the idea. Besides, as was said, a vacation day paid in cash is a day > with an employee in the shop. > > Hey, Eric (and others in Oregon & Washington), how are you faring in the > wild weather? > > Susan Wells Compton > Compton Design & Printing Inc. > 109 South Jefferson Steet > Lexington, VA 24450 > 540-463-9232 > 540-464-4329 Fax > Susan@cdandp.net > www.cdandp.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric Pearson" > To: "printowners printweb.org" > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 7:38 AM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Pay Instead of Vacation > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>> I've had an employee ask me if she might exchange a week of vacation she >>> has >>> coming for the pay she would receive during the week. Her husband is out >>> of >>> work, and they could certainly use the money. However, I've never done >>> this >>> before. Are there any legal ramifications to this? >> >> Hi Susan, >> >> Yep, we've done this from time to time. We encourage the folks to take the >> time off for the recuperative benefits, but sometimes it's better for >> their >> mental well-being to have the extra money. It doesn't come up very often, >> but occasionally we'll get the request--usually it's not a total cashout >> rather something like one of two weeks in cash. Not any legal >> ramifications >> that I'm aware of but in the spirit of fair play, if you do this for one >> you >> should be prepared to do it for anyone... >> >> Eric Pearson >> President/C.E.O. >> >> ------------ >> >> TechnaPrint, Inc. >> 909 Garfield Street >> Eugene, OR 97402-2706 >> (541) 344-4062 >> (541) 344-1765 Fax >> >> ep101@technaprint.com >> www.technaprint.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ NOD32 2704 (20071205) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From kevin at abfprints.com Wed Dec 5 21:22:36 2007 From: kevin at abfprints.com (Kevin Danko) Date: Wed Dec 5 21:26:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction In-Reply-To: <200711041411.lA4EBjtD073892@i2bnetworks.com> References: <200711041411.lA4EBjtD073892@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <020d01c837ae$de5070b0$1700a8c0@abf.local> Larry, thanks for the info. My CPA just amended my 2006 return and I am getting a $1,600.00 refund!!! Merry Christmas, Kevin Danko Advantage Business Forms 102 N. Riverside Ave. Rialto, CA 92376 Phone: (909) 875-7163 Fax: (909) 875-7971 www.abfprints.com E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 6:09 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Form 8903....new tax deduction ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Outstanding Larry! Your post just saved us all a lot of dough. Had no idea.... Here's the English version so we can all understand a little better. http://tinyurl.com/2mvy89 Thanks buddy. S. At 01:33 PM 11/3/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >You may want to ask your CPA about this new deduction. 2006 was the >first year it was available. 2007 is coming to a close, and I >thought I'd pass it along in case you missed it last year. It >pertains to domestic mfg. > >It's a deduction of wages paid for things mfg in the US.....such as >printing. Sort of..... > >The IRS doesn't explain it very well, but...in their own strange >way...... they are promoting it heavily. Which is why you may not >have heard of it. > > > >Larry >DPP >Tucson >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2636 (20071103) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From gamble at choiceonemail.com Wed Dec 5 22:32:36 2007 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Wed Dec 5 22:32:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color In-Reply-To: <00a101c83796$88e796c0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <009d01c83792$1fb41e70$0b01a8c0@CharXP><01b201c83794$4af09f30$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> <00a101c83796$88e796c0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <068601c837b8$a59d51c0$0301a8c0@RICK> I am no expert but my guess here is they gang run it so you and a few more printers are running at the same time so in the end I think they will match your price. Tough to think about a new press when you see this type of pricing. JMTC Rick Bird Gamble Printing & mailing Inc. Buffalo, NY 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Sims Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 6:28 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Sorry it is 100# cover. 6 x 11 We are having 4 over do the job. It does take more time and you have to create perfect files to send to them but that is not a problem since we are creating the art. We have two weeks and the shipping is some but not really that much. I still can't touch it for what they are doing it for. I am not loosing the job, just stating that it is amazing to get that kind of price. They do a nice job, and we have had no problems with them. It is just sort of discouraging. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mike@arborprinting.com Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 5:12 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Char, you don't say what size or weight. There must be an error. 5,000 sheets of cheap #100 gloss text costs us exactly $109.00. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com mike@arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlene Sims" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 4:56 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > This just blows me away. Just got a quote for a job 5000 4/4 100# >>From 4 Over for $109 with Aq coating. That is .022 each. How can we > compete with that. Even doubling that price I can't run it on my copier > for > just the click charge. Geez. > > Charlene Sims > > The Master's Press, Inc > 14550 Midway Road > Dallas, Tx 75244 > 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 > char@themasterspress.com > www.themasterspress.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From acepm2 at gmail.com Thu Dec 6 04:38:30 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Thu Dec 6 04:38:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color In-Reply-To: <009d01c83792$1fb41e70$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <009d01c83792$1fb41e70$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: Charlene, Let me tell you about my own personal business cards that I had printed. I designed some 4/4 cards for our new offices. They look fantastic if I say so myself. I sent the first order out to Craig Dillenger (hope I spelled that right!) and had him run them on his iGen. I was amazed at the quality and prompt turn around. Craig also only charges what the UPS is probably worth; not $100 bucks! Anyway, the color was dead on as was the bindery. I was impressed. I then had more printed at two different online vendors just to see what would happen. Although I liked the price, the quality just sucked. It was awful. The colors from AmericasPrinter.com, 4over.com, (and two others I can't remember at the moment because I'm at home) was just terrible. The "hack job" that they did on the final job was just as bad. I wanted a 1/8" border around the card and it jumped so bad that it was anywhere from 1/8" to as little as 1/64"!! I did this test because all I ever hear is "I can get this online at..... $xxxx" Then I say, you had better go get it because I not only cannot match that price, I will not. Also, let me know when the job comes in and we'll go over it. Shipping charges have killed jobs like this where folks thought they were saving on price. Too funny. Get some clients that want to work with you...you'll be happier for it. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Dec 5, 2007 5:56 PM, Charlene Sims wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > This just blows me away. Just got a quote for a job 5000 4/4 100# > >From 4 Over for $109 with Aq coating. That is .022 each. How can we > compete with that. Even doubling that price I can't run it on my copier > for > just the click charge. Geez. > > Charlene Sims > > The Master's Press, Inc > 14550 Midway Road > Dallas, Tx 75244 > 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 > char@themasterspress.com > www.themasterspress.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From jeff at hprinting.biz Thu Dec 6 08:23:10 2007 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Thu Dec 6 08:23:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] EZ Creaser Users In-Reply-To: References: <000f01c8368b$0d2a5010$1e00000a@tech.local> <4756BF9E.19229.1395BE1@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <20071206132307.8588.24752@hm-pop1.solinus.com> At 05:43 PM 12/5/2007, you wrote: >I will go look at another EZ Creaser in the area at another print >shop to demo it. However, the other printer has only had it for 2 or >3 weeks, so I don't know how valuable his input will be. But I would >get to run some test jobs on various stocks. We've had one for 6 months or so. We been somewhat disappointed. Maybe our expectations were to high. We were the first one to buy from the salesman in our area and he didn't have on to demo. Our issues are we can't register at the minimum size. For 8?x11 and 11x17 it's slow, but ok. I would be curious to know if it is worse than the competitors or if that is the nature of this type of machine. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Thu Dec 6 09:49:47 2007 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Thu Dec 6 09:50:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] EZ Creaser Users In-Reply-To: <20071206132307.8588.24752@hm-pop1.solinus.com> References: <000f01c8368b$0d2a5010$1e00000a@tech.local> <4756BF9E.19229.1395BE1@slb.inkspot.net> <20071206132307.8588.24752@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Message-ID: Jeff, Thanks! I have a gut feeling I would be disappointed in this machine as well, but still, I'll go see one and run some test jobs next week. I hate to impose further, but could I ask you some specific questions? 1. Are you using this to score digital color copies? 2. How well does it actually keep the toner from cracking? Could you rate the result on a 1 - 10 scale with 10 being the highest on the following stocks? Assume heavy toner coverage on both sides. 28lb or 32lb Color Copy Text Non coated - 100lb Text Gloss - 80lb. Cougar Cover (or similar) - 100lb Gloss Cover - 10pt C1S - 12pt C1S - 3. - Does it hold registration at 8.5 x 11? (I am suspicious of the paper being fed in straight as the entire machine looks similar to our Graphic Whizard Numbering/Scoring Machine. It can be very difficult to do a traditional score straight on this machine.) 3b - The minimum size I have found is either a 4"x4" or a 3"x5". I found conflicting specs in my research. Is this the size you are having trouble with registering? 3c - Is it capable of holding registration on a 5.5" x 8.5" sheet (for foldover cards, etc.) - 4. Can you adjust the actual pressure of the scoring bar to control how deep the score in the stock is? 5. Does the scoring bar come down into a groove with the paper being between the groove and scoring bar? Or does it come down against a rubber or flexible surface? Or something else? 6. And finally, how many 8.5 x 11 pieces with two scores (for a tri- fold) do you average running in an hour? 7. Can you think of anything I left out that I should have asked? I very much appreciate your assistance with this. I hope to be able to help you out in kind one day. Thanks, Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Dec 6, 2007, at 8:23 AM, Jeff Haines wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > At 05:43 PM 12/5/2007, you wrote: >> I will go look at another EZ Creaser in the area at another print >> shop to demo it. However, the other printer has only had it for 2 or >> 3 weeks, so I don't know how valuable his input will be. But I would >> get to run some test jobs on various stocks. > > > We've had one for 6 months or so. We been somewhat disappointed. > Maybe our expectations were to high. We were the first one to buy > from the salesman in our area and he didn't have on to demo. Our > issues are we can't register at the minimum size. For 8?x11 and > 11x17 it's slow, but ok. I would be curious to know if it is worse > than the competitors or if that is the nature of this type of machine. > > Jeff > > Haines Printing Co. > 10575 W. Main Rd. > North East, PA 16428 > (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 > email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From swiftyprinting at mac.com Thu Dec 6 10:12:33 2007 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Thu Dec 6 10:13:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] EZ Creaser Users- tricreaser user In-Reply-To: References: <000f01c8368b$0d2a5010$1e00000a@tech.local> <4756BF9E.19229.1395BE1@slb.inkspot.net> <20071206132307.8588.24752@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Message-ID: On Dec 6, 2007, at 9:49 AM, Ben Travis wrote: > 1. Are you using this to score digital color copies? We bought a Techn-fold tricreaser to score digital copies. We bought the manual feed to just test it (since it was cheap enough). After using it I will be either be buying the creasing wheels for our Rollem or step up to the auto feed model. However one of the women here can run that manually faster than any auto feed machine. It creases all the digital stuff beautifully. The only thing which it is weak on is light text stock. We now do not even think twice about running things with solids, grain wrong on 10, 12 or 14 pt. It does a great job. Our next bindery piece is the Duplo DC-645. This can crease(channel crease - not score), slit, perf, all directions in one pass. Put a barcode on the piece when you print and it will auto set up. We are hoping this will increase production with cards that bleed and need a score. One pass finish straight from the iGen, scan barcode, auto setup and done. Also for business cards. Table tent cards in one pass. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com From mail at myprinter.biz Thu Dec 6 10:56:33 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Thu Dec 6 10:58:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color In-Reply-To: <200712052347.lB5NleF7081773@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: You need to find clients (corporate ones) that are too busy to shop price but need a value added resource. S. Scott - You forgot to add, "and/or will accept 4-over's quality and time service at an EXTREMELY large mark-up." ...and you're right: The high volume, gang-run houses aren't likely to get the kind of customers on which we really make good money, in part through repeat business on stuff those gang-run houses simply can't - and won't ever be able to - do. Those houses are far more resouces for us than they are competition. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 6:44 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** You need to find clients (corporate ones) that are too busy to shop price but need a value added resource. This takes sales effort and hard work. Its not easy, but its very profitable. S. At 03:28 PM 12/5/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Sorry it is 100# cover. 6 x 11 >We are having 4 over do the job. It does take more time and you have to >create perfect files to send to them but that is not a problem since we are >creating the art. We have two weeks and the shipping is some but not really >that much. I still can't touch it for what they are doing it for. I am not >loosing the job, just stating that it is amazing to get that kind of price. >They do a nice job, and we have had no problems with them. It is just sort >of discouraging. >ch > >Charlene Sims > >The Master's Press, Inc >14550 Midway Road >Dallas, Tx 75244 >972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 >char@themasterspress.com >www.themasterspress.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of >Mike@arborprinting.com >Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 5:12 PM >To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Char, you don't say what size or weight. There must be an error. 5,000 >sheets of cheap #100 gloss text costs us exactly $109.00. >Thanks, > > >Michael Shuta >Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc >630-969-2277 >www.arborprinting.com >mike@arborprinting.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Charlene Sims" >To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" > >Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 4:56 PM >Subject: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > This just blows me away. Just got a quote for a job 5000 4/4 100# > >>From 4 Over for $109 with Aq coating. That is .022 each. How can we > > compete with that. Even doubling that price I can't run it on my copier > > for > > just the click charge. Geez. > > > > Charlene Sims > > > > The Master's Press, Inc > > 14550 Midway Road > > Dallas, Tx 75244 > > 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 > > char@themasterspress.com > > www.themasterspress.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2705 (20071205) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kevin at proprinters.ca Thu Dec 6 13:27:31 2007 From: kevin at proprinters.ca (Kevin at PRO Printers) Date: Thu Dec 6 13:27:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pitstop Help References: <20071121170004.0777AC981AF@rb.enter.net><003301c82c63$67529930$6401a8c0@Chris> <200711220056.lAM0uLg7045477@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <00e201c83835$aa198340$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> Is there a way to get PitStop to convert all images in a file to greyscale from cmyk and rgb? I know how to change everything to greyscale but I find if I do so, the quality of the text, vector images and some clipart suffers. And I don't really want to wade through a large file converting one by one. We just received a new Xerox 4112 and it seems to do a much better job with photos if they are in grey rather than in colour. This is in marked contrast to the Ricoh 2090 it replaced - that box didn't seem to care one way or the other. By the way, the quality coming off the 4112 is unbelievable! Best I've ever seen by far including the 4110 predecessor. Lots of software glitches on the Fiery that are gradually getting sorted out. Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca From jdaghir at gmail.com Thu Dec 6 14:47:03 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Thu Dec 6 14:47:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pitstop Help In-Reply-To: <00e201c83835$aa198340$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> References: <20071121170004.0777AC981AF@rb.enter.net> <003301c82c63$67529930$6401a8c0@Chris> <200711220056.lAM0uLg7045477@i2bnetworks.com> <00e201c83835$aa198340$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> Message-ID: <83d5b9620712061147w8dd4e8bq40e45c2694048cc3@mail.gmail.com> Create a new action list. Add the selection "Select Images" and then add the action "Convert Color" and set the attribute to "Grayscale". -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Kevin said: > Is there a way to get PitStop to convert all images in a file to greyscale > from cmyk and rgb? I From keli at parchmentpress.net Thu Dec 6 15:44:32 2007 From: keli at parchmentpress.net (Keli of Coxsackie) Date: Thu Dec 6 15:44:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color In-Reply-To: <009d01c83792$1fb41e70$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <009d01c83792$1fb41e70$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <47585F30.2080408@parchmentpress.net> I just had them do a flyer job for me. Usually it took a few days to do the job and then a week to get from CA to NY. I was expecting it next week. I just got an email that it was shipped last night and I will get tomorrow. WHAT? I asked them and they told me that they just got a new facility in Ohio to help out with East Coast orders.. See here... http://printceoblog.com/?s=4over The newly equipped facility houses 2 Komori Lithrone presses, with a Komori System 38S web press planned for the future. 4Over equipment partners include Komori, Bobst, Heidelberg, Muller Martini, xpedx, Prisco, and Spicers. AMAZING! They also told me that the Ohio plant is still in test mode but soon it will be default for all East Coast work. Now the shipping price is reasonable and the turnaround is quick! For job outs I see what the market price is and I charge 2 times the job out price and average it up to the local market price. That way I am a low pricer and 4over does the work... Helps when I am busy or for work I can not do in house. thanks, Keli Parchment Press Coxsackie, NY Charlene Sims wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > This just blows me away. Just got a quote for a job 5000 4/4 100# > >From 4 Over for $109 with Aq coating. That is .022 each. How can we > compete with that. Even doubling that price I can't run it on my copier for > just the click charge. Geez. > > Charlene Sims > > The Master's Press, Inc > 14550 Midway Road > Dallas, Tx 75244 > 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 > char@themasterspress.com > www.themasterspress.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From robin at protypeonline.com Thu Dec 6 15:56:43 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Thu Dec 6 15:56:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Digital Picture Frame - Update Message-ID: <9865BE54-390F-45FF-876F-3AB548A63199@protypeonline.com> After an extensive internet search for the best deal, I ended up placing an order for 3 digital picture frames from, of all places, Quill Office Supplies! Included with some office supplies! :)))) Anyway, it is a Smartparts frame with everything I was looking for, LCD actual size is 8.4" with high resolution (800 x600); USB port and cable to get pix from computer to frame, internal memory and it says "genuine walnut frame" but even if it is an inexpensive alternative, the grandparents won't care. Price: $149 each with free shipping and will be delivered tomorrow. Life is good. Thank you all for your help. NOW, is there a batch conversion program (free download) for converting lots of pictures at one time to a smaller resolution before I load them onto these frames? Sure hope I don't mix up grandparents and frames when loading and shipping for Christmas. DId that last year -- my staff sent my divorced parents each others gifts! Nothing like a few MORE family issues to deal with at Christmas time. THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR ALL YOUR HELP AND SUGGESTIONS! :) robin p.s. link to the frame I purchased is: http://www04.quillcorp.com/ Catalog/Browse/Sku.asp? PageType=1&sku=184475&EFFORT_CODE=902&FIND_NUMBER=SPDPF84M Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From char at themasterspress.com Thu Dec 6 16:15:08 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Thu Dec 6 16:15:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Folder Inserter Message-ID: <00c401c8384d$146d3e00$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Anyone have a smaller folder/inserter they want to sell for cheap. :-) Looking for one for a ministry at my church. Trying to keep them from buying a Pitney Bowes on Ebay. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com From smc at sorrentomesa.com Thu Dec 6 16:11:39 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Thu Dec 6 16:15:35 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Digital Picture Frame - Update In-Reply-To: <9865BE54-390F-45FF-876F-3AB548A63199@protypeonline.com> References: <9865BE54-390F-45FF-876F-3AB548A63199@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <200712062115.lB6LFJH4026773@i2bnetworks.com> Have you graphics person show you how to create an "action" in Photoshop, or have her convert them for you with an "action". What you're looking to do is already built into PS. S. At 12:56 PM 12/6/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >After an extensive internet search for the best deal, I ended up >placing an order for 3 digital picture frames from, of all places, >Quill Office Supplies! >Included with some office supplies! :)))) >Anyway, it is a Smartparts frame with everything I was looking for, >LCD actual size is 8.4" with high resolution (800 x600); USB port and >cable to get pix from computer to frame, >internal memory and it says "genuine walnut frame" but even if it is >an inexpensive alternative, the grandparents won't care. Price: $149 >each with free shipping and will be delivered tomorrow. >Life is good. Thank you all for your help. > >NOW, is there a batch conversion program (free download) for >converting lots of pictures at one time to a smaller resolution >before I load them onto these frames? > >Sure hope I don't mix up grandparents and frames when loading and >shipping for Christmas. DId that last year -- my staff sent my >divorced parents each others gifts! >Nothing like a few MORE family issues to deal with at Christmas time. > >THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR ALL YOUR HELP AND SUGGESTIONS! > >:) >robin > >p.s. link to the frame I purchased is: http://www04.quillcorp.com/ >Catalog/Browse/Sku.asp? >PageType=1&sku=184475&EFFORT_CODE=902&FIND_NUMBER=SPDPF84M > >Robin Niewold >Pro-Type Printing >130 N. Market Street >Paxton, IL 60957 >217.379.4715 >robin@protypeonline.com > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2707 (20071206) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From smc at sorrentomesa.com Thu Dec 6 16:14:50 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Thu Dec 6 16:19:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color In-Reply-To: <47585F30.2080408@parchmentpress.net> References: <009d01c83792$1fb41e70$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <47585F30.2080408@parchmentpress.net> Message-ID: <200712062118.lB6LIVuA027715@i2bnetworks.com> Maybe you can make it up 2.5 or 3X, and not be the low pricer. Sell on value and not so much on price and make more money, no? S. At 12:44 PM 12/6/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I just had them do a flyer job for me. >Usually it took a few days to do the job and then a week to get from CA to NY. >I was expecting it next week. I just got an email that it was >shipped last night and I will get tomorrow. >WHAT? >I asked them and they told me that they just got a new facility in >Ohio to help out with East Coast orders.. >See here... >http://printceoblog.com/?s=4over >The newly equipped facility houses 2 Komori Lithrone presses, with a >Komori System 38S web press > planned >for the future. 4Over equipment partners include Komori, Bobst, >Heidelberg, Muller Martini, xpedx, Prisco, and Spicers. > >AMAZING! > >They also told me that the Ohio plant is still in test mode but soon >it will be default for all East Coast work. > >Now the shipping price is reasonable and the turnaround is quick! > >For job outs I see what the market price is and I charge 2 times the >job out price and average it up to the local market price. That way >I am a low pricer and 4over does the work... Helps when I am busy or >for work I can not do in house. > >thanks, >Keli >Parchment Press >Coxsackie, NY > > > >Charlene Sims wrote: >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>This just blows me away. Just got a quote for a job 5000 4/4 >>100# >From 4 Over for $109 with Aq coating. That is .022 each. How can we >>compete with that. Even doubling that price I can't run it on my copier for >>just the click charge. Geez. >> >>Charlene Sims >> >>The Master's Press, Inc >>14550 Midway Road >>Dallas, Tx 75244 >>972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 >>char@themasterspress.com >>www.themasterspress.com >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2707 (20071206) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From scott at printing-impressions.com Thu Dec 6 16:26:35 2007 From: scott at printing-impressions.com (K. Scott Schoppert) Date: Thu Dec 6 16:25:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Digital Picture Frame - Update In-Reply-To: <9865BE54-390F-45FF-876F-3AB548A63199@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <0e4e01c8384e$ae42b130$c801a8c0@Scott> Robin- I bought a Smart Parts frame from from Circuit City and they have a website where you can download software for free that will optimize your photos for the correct resolution, rotate them to the right direction and upload them to the frame. www.smartpartsproducts.com You will need your serial number for the frame to be eligible for the free download. Hope this helps Scott K. Scott Schoppert Printing Impressions 68 Reliance Road Martinsburg, WV 25403 (304) 267-7327 scott@printing-impressions.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 3:57 PM > To: printowners printowners > Subject: [PrintOwners] Digital Picture Frame - Update > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > After an extensive internet search for the best deal, I ended up > placing an order for 3 digital picture frames from, of all places, > Quill Office Supplies! > Included with some office supplies! :)))) > Anyway, it is a Smartparts frame with everything I was looking for, > LCD actual size is 8.4" with high resolution (800 x600); USB > port and > cable to get pix from computer to frame, > internal memory and it says "genuine walnut frame" but even if it is > an inexpensive alternative, the grandparents won't care. Price: $149 > each with free shipping and will be delivered tomorrow. > Life is good. Thank you all for your help. > > NOW, is there a batch conversion program (free download) for > converting lots of pictures at one time to a smaller resolution > before I load them onto these frames? > > Sure hope I don't mix up grandparents and frames when loading and > shipping for Christmas. DId that last year -- my staff sent my > divorced parents each others gifts! > Nothing like a few MORE family issues to deal with at Christmas time. > > THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR ALL YOUR HELP AND SUGGESTIONS! > > :) > robin > > p.s. link to the frame I purchased is: http://www04.quillcorp.com/ > Catalog/Browse/Sku.asp? > PageType=1&sku=184475&EFFORT_CODE=902&FIND_NUMBER=SPDPF84M > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2707 (20071206) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From kevin at proprinters.ca Thu Dec 6 16:25:48 2007 From: kevin at proprinters.ca (Kevin at PRO Printers) Date: Thu Dec 6 16:26:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pitstop Help References: <20071121170004.0777AC981AF@rb.enter.net><003301c82c63$67529930$6401a8c0@Chris><200711220056.lAM0uLg7045477@i2bnetworks.com><00e201c83835$aa198340$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> <83d5b9620712061147w8dd4e8bq40e45c2694048cc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <011701c8384e$91ffbcc0$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> Thanks, Jeff. Kevin Kerr Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. 1900 Merivale Rd. Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 Tel 613-727-9444 Fax 613-727-1945 kevin@proprinters.ca www.proprinters.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Daghir" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Pitstop Help > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Create a new action list. Add the selection "Select Images" and then > add the action "Convert Color" and set the attribute to "Grayscale" From robin at protypeonline.com Thu Dec 6 16:47:55 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Thu Dec 6 16:48:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Digital Picture Frame - Update Message-ID: <58E3703C-9B38-4766-BCCC-0D54D44404BB@protypeonline.com> Scotts -- thanks or the info! SC -- if I ask my staf to do one more personal job for me right now when they are swamped -- well, it really wouldn't be fair of me although they would do it. AND, if I asked them to show me how to do it, they would laugh and give me that, "it would be easier for us to do it ourselves" look. Sooo, I'll go into PS and see what I can figure out on my own or wait for the frames to arrives and download the software SS mentioned. Either way -- I'm good to go! THANK YOU :) robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From dennis.trump at gmail.com Thu Dec 6 16:49:15 2007 From: dennis.trump at gmail.com (Dennis Trump) Date: Thu Dec 6 16:49:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Folder Inserter In-Reply-To: <00c401c8384d$146d3e00$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <00c401c8384d$146d3e00$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <41aa6a080712061349i5be47d58nb105fda9f00e9641@mail.gmail.com> > > Anyone have a smaller folder/inserter they want to sell for cheap. :-) > Looking for one for a ministry at my church. Trying to keep them from > buying a Pitney Bowes on Ebay. > ch Friends don't let friends buy Pitney Bowes! I've got an extra four pocket that my employees are trying to get me to sell but I'm holding out for now. -- Dennis Trump Trump Direct a print and direct mail communications company Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 From craig at newhavenprint.com Thu Dec 6 16:55:32 2007 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Thu Dec 6 16:53:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color In-Reply-To: <009d01c83792$1fb41e70$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <20071206215313.6FD48CD5D6F@rb.enter.net> > This just blows me away. Just got a quote for a job 5000 4/4 100# > >From 4 Over for $109 with Aq coating. That is .022 each. How can we > compete with that. Even doubling that price I can't run it > on my copier for just the click charge. Geez. > Charlene Sims > The Master's Press, Inc Hey Charlene, That sounded unbelievable to me also, so I put in the same quote (1000, 2500, 5000). My prices were a lot higher. Still cheap but not unbelievable. Possible mistake in their pricing on your quote? I copied my quote below. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com Job 1: Quantity 1: 1000 Quantity 2: 2500 Quantity 3: 5000 Flat size: 6 x 11 Finished size: 6 x 11 Color: 4/4 Paper Type: 100 LB Gloss Cover Finishing: FLAT comments: ***AQ ON BOTH SIDES PRICE QTY 1:$239.00 for 1k (5-7 BUSINESS DAYS) PRICE QTY 2:$399.00 for 2.5k (5-7 BUSINESS DAYS) PRICE QTY 3:$498.00 for 5k (5-7 BUSINESS DAYS) Please note: These prices are good for 15 days only, we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone to place your order you must include your estimate number with your orders. Please note that the estimated prices do NOT included shipping charges. Also, the turnaround of the job starts once the payment has been received in full. No coupons or discounts codes will be applied on custom orders. From char at themasterspress.com Thu Dec 6 16:59:29 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Thu Dec 6 16:59:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color In-Reply-To: <20071206215313.6FD48CD5D6F@rb.enter.net> References: <009d01c83792$1fb41e70$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <20071206215313.6FD48CD5D6F@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <010801c83853$467828a0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Craig your prices are about what I got from a 4-color shop around the corner that does a lot of my 4-c work. That is why their prices are so amazing. It is not a mistake. That is the price. I don't think I want to get a 4-color press. I want to retire. :-) ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Craig Dellinger Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 3:56 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > This just blows me away. Just got a quote for a job 5000 4/4 100# > >From 4 Over for $109 with Aq coating. That is .022 each. How can we > compete with that. Even doubling that price I can't run it > on my copier for just the click charge. Geez. > Charlene Sims > The Master's Press, Inc Hey Charlene, That sounded unbelievable to me also, so I put in the same quote (1000, 2500, 5000). My prices were a lot higher. Still cheap but not unbelievable. Possible mistake in their pricing on your quote? I copied my quote below. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com Job 1: Quantity 1: 1000 Quantity 2: 2500 Quantity 3: 5000 Flat size: 6 x 11 Finished size: 6 x 11 Color: 4/4 Paper Type: 100 LB Gloss Cover Finishing: FLAT comments: ***AQ ON BOTH SIDES PRICE QTY 1:$239.00 for 1k (5-7 BUSINESS DAYS) PRICE QTY 2:$399.00 for 2.5k (5-7 BUSINESS DAYS) PRICE QTY 3:$498.00 for 5k (5-7 BUSINESS DAYS) Please note: These prices are good for 15 days only, we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone to place your order you must include your estimate number with your orders. Please note that the estimated prices do NOT included shipping charges. Also, the turnaround of the job starts once the payment has been received in full. No coupons or discounts codes will be applied on custom orders. _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From char at themasterspress.com Thu Dec 6 17:00:57 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Thu Dec 6 17:01:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Folder Inserter In-Reply-To: <41aa6a080712061349i5be47d58nb105fda9f00e9641@mail.gmail.com> References: <00c401c8384d$146d3e00$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <41aa6a080712061349i5be47d58nb105fda9f00e9641@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <010901c83853$7c09fed0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> I know Dennis that is why I am looking for one. I hope they are listening to me. I think a 4 pocket would be an over kill anyway. They just have a couple of thousand pieces at a time they need to fold and insert. Small. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Trump Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 3:49 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Folder Inserter ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Anyone have a smaller folder/inserter they want to sell for cheap. :-) > Looking for one for a ministry at my church. Trying to keep them from > buying a Pitney Bowes on Ebay. > ch Friends don't let friends buy Pitney Bowes! I've got an extra four pocket that my employees are trying to get me to sell but I'm holding out for now. -- Dennis Trump Trump Direct a print and direct mail communications company Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au Thu Dec 6 17:27:05 2007 From: Harry at VarsityGraphics.com.au (Harry Brelsford) Date: Thu Dec 6 17:30:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pitstop Help In-Reply-To: <00e201c83835$aa198340$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> References: <20071121170004.0777AC981AF@rb.enter.net><003301c82c63$67529930$6401a8c0@C hris> <200711220056.lAM0uLg7045477@i2bnetworks.com> <00e201c83835$aa198340$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> Message-ID: You can also do this to the complete file from Acrobat by saving as "Postscript.ps", setting Output to "Composite Gray" and then distilling the .ps file. Harry >Is there a way to get PitStop to convert all images in a file to >greyscale from cmyk and rgb? I know how to change everything to >greyscale but I find if I do so, the quality of the text, vector >images and some clipart suffers. And I don't really want to wade >through a large file converting one by one. We just received a new >Xerox 4112 and it seems to do a much better job with photos if they >are in grey rather than in colour. This is in marked contrast to the >Ricoh 2090 it replaced - that box didn't seem to care one way or the >other. > >By the way, the quality coming off the 4112 is unbelievable! Best >I've ever seen by far including the 4110 predecessor. Lots of >software glitches on the Fiery that are gradually getting sorted out. > >Kevin Kerr >Imprimeurs PRO Printers Inc. >1900 Merivale Rd. >Ottawa, ON K2G 4N4 >Tel 613-727-9444 >Fax 613-727-1945 >kevin@proprinters.ca >www.proprinters.ca -- Harry Brelsford Varsity Graphics Shop 2 - 195 Varsity Parade Varsity Lakes QLD 4227 Australia Ph: 61 7 5575 9417 Fax: 61 7 5575 8091 Harry@VarsityGraphics.com.au From swiftyprinting at mac.com Thu Dec 6 17:22:03 2007 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Thu Dec 6 17:30:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color In-Reply-To: <200712062118.lB6LIVuA027715@i2bnetworks.com> References: <009d01c83792$1fb41e70$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <47585F30.2080408@parchmentpress.net> <200712062118.lB6LIVuA027715@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <86B41EFB-F349-4DC1-9833-4E1691DD6630@mac.com> On Dec 6, 2007, at 4:14 PM, Scott Cappel wrote: > Maybe you can make it up 2.5 or 3X, and not be the low pricer. > > Sell on value and not so much on price and make more money, no? Yes.... ....and stop supporting them, remember your friend now becomes your enemy later if you keep feeding them. Their hunger grows grows greater and now they have your money to expand. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com From steve at toledoprinter.com Thu Dec 6 17:20:45 2007 From: steve at toledoprinter.com (West Printing) Date: Thu Dec 6 17:30:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pitstop Help In-Reply-To: <83d5b9620712061147w8dd4e8bq40e45c2694048cc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <20071121170004.0777AC981AF@rb.enter.net> <003301c82c63$67529930$6401a8c0@Chris> <200711220056.lAM0uLg7045477@i2bnetworks.com> <00e201c83835$aa198340$1f00a8c0@promerivale1> <83d5b9620712061147w8dd4e8bq40e45c2694048cc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00be01c83856$404f4960$c0eddc20$@com> That is a good place to start. There is a built in action list that will do the same, but alas it is also not perfect. That is, you may find some stubborn pdfs, especially cmyk that don't convert. Not all pdf are generated via Acrobat as we all know. Also, there are other color spaces to convert. When you load up/impost the action list below, go to the action list "manage" tab and take a look at the details. Oh, yes and one other thing this action list will also remove those pesky ICC profiles Here is a better action list to use. http://www.toledoprinter.com/Pitstop/newEAL.zip Just click on the link and select "save" from the dialog box. Unzip the tiny file. Go to Pitstop action list, select manage, select import and navigate to where you unzipped the EAL file. You will be good to go. Any questions, shoot me an email or give me a call. Steve Robison West Printing Co. 327 12th Street, Toledo, OH 43604 Ph. 419.246.0857, steve@toledoprinter.com? **************************************** http://www.ToledoPrinter.Com Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Daghir Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 2:47 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Pitstop Help ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Create a new action list. Add the selection "Select Images" and then add the action "Convert Color" and set the attribute to "Grayscale". -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Kevin said: > Is there a way to get PitStop to convert all images in a file to greyscale > from cmyk and rgb? I _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From sgfinke at fuse.net Thu Dec 6 17:34:56 2007 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Thu Dec 6 17:36:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Digital Picture Frame - Update In-Reply-To: <0e4e01c8384e$ae42b130$c801a8c0@Scott> References: <0e4e01c8384e$ae42b130$c801a8c0@Scott> Message-ID: You can do it in iPhoto, do you have that? Copy the photos you want from your library to an "album" folder. Make a destination folder on your desktop or device. Select all of the photos in the album folder and then go to "export" on the menu. It will ask you whether you want to export them all full size or to a desired size. Enter the desired size. Export them to the destination folder. Ta-dah. I can explain in more detail if you need it -- Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On Dec 6, 2007, at 4:26 PM, K. Scott Schoppert wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Robin- > > I bought a Smart Parts frame from from Circuit City and they have a > website where you can download software for free that will optimize > your > photos for the correct resolution, rotate them to the right direction > and upload them to the frame. > > www.smartpartsproducts.com You will need your serial number for the > frame to be eligible for the free download. > > > Hope this helps > > > Scott > > > K. Scott Schoppert > Printing Impressions > 68 Reliance Road > Martinsburg, WV 25403 > (304) 267-7327 > > scott@printing-impressions.com > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold >> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 3:57 PM >> To: printowners printowners >> Subject: [PrintOwners] Digital Picture Frame - Update >> >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> After an extensive internet search for the best deal, I ended up >> placing an order for 3 digital picture frames from, of all places, >> Quill Office Supplies! >> Included with some office supplies! :)))) >> Anyway, it is a Smartparts frame with everything I was looking for, >> LCD actual size is 8.4" with high resolution (800 x600); USB >> port and >> cable to get pix from computer to frame, >> internal memory and it says "genuine walnut frame" but even if it is >> an inexpensive alternative, the grandparents won't care. Price: $149 >> each with free shipping and will be delivered tomorrow. >> Life is good. Thank you all for your help. >> >> NOW, is there a batch conversion program (free download) for >> converting lots of pictures at one time to a smaller resolution >> before I load them onto these frames? >> >> Sure hope I don't mix up grandparents and frames when loading and >> shipping for Christmas. DId that last year -- my staff sent my >> divorced parents each others gifts! >> Nothing like a few MORE family issues to deal with at Christmas >> time. >> >> THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR ALL YOUR HELP AND SUGGESTIONS! >> >> :) >> robin >> >> p.s. link to the frame I purchased is: http://www04.quillcorp.com/ >> Catalog/Browse/Sku.asp? >> PageType=1&sku=184475&EFFORT_CODE=902&FIND_NUMBER=SPDPF84M >> >> Robin Niewold >> Pro-Type Printing >> 130 N. Market Street >> Paxton, IL 60957 >> 217.379.4715 >> robin@protypeonline.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ NOD32 2707 (20071206) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From sos at olympus.net Thu Dec 6 17:47:08 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu Dec 6 17:49:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color References: <009d01c83792$1fb41e70$0b01a8c0@CharXP><20071206215313.6FD48CD5D6F@rb.enter.net> <010801c83853$467828a0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <047c01c83859$ee802740$0300a8c0@DANIEL> > It is not a mistake. That is the price. I don't think I want to get a > 4-color press. I want to retire. :-) ================ I think it IS a mistake, that is why the prices Craig got for the same job specs are so different. That doesn't mean that is the price in the general market. That's a wholesale price to us. There are printers that specialize more in the general market, Printforless.com is a good example. You will find their prices are quite a bit higher. They have to be because they deal with Publisher and Word files from idiots just like we do. In our tiny little market, we've found enough work for our 4 color press to make it profitable. But not wildly so. But in a big market I'm sure you'd find customers. Then again, retirement is sounding more appealing all the time. If my son hadn't just started college. . . Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From craig at newhavenprint.com Thu Dec 6 17:53:50 2007 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Thu Dec 6 17:51:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color In-Reply-To: <010801c83853$467828a0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <20071206225134.4D09BCD63D0@rb.enter.net> No Charlene, Those aren't MY prices. Those are the prices I got from 4over.com when I asked for a quote with your specifications. Those prices are lower than what I'd charge on the iGen or off the press. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Craig your prices are about what I got from a 4-color shop > around the corner that does a lot of my 4-c work. That is > why their prices are so amazing. > It is not a mistake. That is the price. I don't think I > want to get a 4-color press. I want to retire. :-) ch > > Charlene Sims > > The Master's Press, Inc > 14550 Midway Road > Dallas, Tx 75244 > 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 > char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Craig Dellinger > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 3:56 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > This just blows me away. Just got a quote for a job 5000 4/4 100# > > >From 4 Over for $109 with Aq coating. That is .022 each. > How can we > > compete with that. Even doubling that price I can't run it on my > > copier for just the click charge. Geez. > > Charlene Sims > > The Master's Press, Inc > > Hey Charlene, > That sounded unbelievable to me also, so I put in the same > quote (1000, 2500, 5000). My prices were a lot higher. Still > cheap but not unbelievable. > Possible mistake in their pricing on your quote? I copied my > quote below. > > Craig Dellinger > New Haven Print & Copy > 7531 US 930 East > Fort Wayne, IN 46803 > 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 > www.newhavenprint.com > > > Job 1: > > Quantity 1: 1000 > Quantity 2: 2500 > Quantity 3: 5000 > > Flat size: 6 x 11 > Finished size: 6 x 11 > Color: 4/4 > Paper Type: 100 LB Gloss Cover > Finishing: FLAT > comments: > ***AQ ON BOTH SIDES > PRICE QTY 1:$239.00 for 1k (5-7 BUSINESS DAYS) > PRICE QTY 2:$399.00 for 2.5k (5-7 BUSINESS DAYS) > PRICE QTY 3:$498.00 for 5k (5-7 BUSINESS DAYS) > > > Please note: These prices are good for 15 days only, we > reserve the right to > refuse service to anyone to place your order you must include > your estimate > number with your orders. > > Please note that the estimated prices do NOT included > shipping charges. > Also, the turnaround of the job starts once the payment has > been received in > full. No coupons or discounts codes will be applied on custom orders. > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1644 (20060704) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Thu Dec 6 18:47:14 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 6 18:47:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color Message-ID: Charlene I used them all the time cause of their pricing. Your right, you can't compete with them, so I used them for some of these orders. It leaves me more time to produce other jobs at a better rate. Tommy Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Thu Dec 6 18:54:27 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 6 18:54:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Online print makeover Message-ID: Those prices provided by 4 Over are wholesale pricing. They also have a retail website for all the others. Tommy Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From char at themasterspress.com Thu Dec 6 22:01:21 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Thu Dec 6 22:01:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color In-Reply-To: <20071206225134.4D09BCD63D0@rb.enter.net> References: <010801c83853$467828a0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <20071206225134.4D09BCD63D0@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <003701c8387d$7894e330$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Oh wow. I guess I need to talk to my CSR and make sure about the prices. That is what he told me he got. Thanks for the info. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Craig Dellinger Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 4:54 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** No Charlene, Those aren't MY prices. Those are the prices I got from 4over.com when I asked for a quote with your specifications. Those prices are lower than what I'd charge on the iGen or off the press. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Craig your prices are about what I got from a 4-color shop > around the corner that does a lot of my 4-c work. That is > why their prices are so amazing. > It is not a mistake. That is the price. I don't think I > want to get a 4-color press. I want to retire. :-) ch > > Charlene Sims > > The Master's Press, Inc > 14550 Midway Road > Dallas, Tx 75244 > 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 > char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Craig Dellinger > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 3:56 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > This just blows me away. Just got a quote for a job 5000 4/4 100# > > >From 4 Over for $109 with Aq coating. That is .022 each. > How can we > > compete with that. Even doubling that price I can't run it on my > > copier for just the click charge. Geez. > > Charlene Sims > > The Master's Press, Inc > > Hey Charlene, > That sounded unbelievable to me also, so I put in the same > quote (1000, 2500, 5000). My prices were a lot higher. Still > cheap but not unbelievable. > Possible mistake in their pricing on your quote? I copied my > quote below. > > Craig Dellinger > New Haven Print & Copy > 7531 US 930 East > Fort Wayne, IN 46803 > 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 > www.newhavenprint.com > > > Job 1: > > Quantity 1: 1000 > Quantity 2: 2500 > Quantity 3: 5000 > > Flat size: 6 x 11 > Finished size: 6 x 11 > Color: 4/4 > Paper Type: 100 LB Gloss Cover > Finishing: FLAT > comments: > ***AQ ON BOTH SIDES > PRICE QTY 1:$239.00 for 1k (5-7 BUSINESS DAYS) > PRICE QTY 2:$399.00 for 2.5k (5-7 BUSINESS DAYS) > PRICE QTY 3:$498.00 for 5k (5-7 BUSINESS DAYS) > > > Please note: These prices are good for 15 days only, we > reserve the right to > refuse service to anyone to place your order you must include > your estimate > number with your orders. > > Please note that the estimated prices do NOT included > shipping charges. > Also, the turnaround of the job starts once the payment has > been received in > full. No coupons or discounts codes will be applied on custom orders. > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1644 (20060704) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bill at mauiprintworks.com Fri Dec 7 03:16:11 2007 From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (bill@mauiprintworks.com) Date: Fri Dec 7 03:16:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How much vacation is to much? In-Reply-To: <006701c8373f$fc658c80$f530a580$@com> References: <20071205091624.45330CCE3B4@rb.enter.net> <006701c8373f$fc658c80$f530a580$@com> Message-ID: <20071207001611.p60q5xh0is404os4@www.mauiprintworks.com> In my opinion that amount of paid time off is one reason that company would be having a hard time. Each employee needs to earn their time off just as hard as they earn their pay rate. Bill Marsh Maui Print Works Wailuku, Maui, Hawaii > > Now here comes my issue. I am looking at acquiring a shop that has 5 out of > 8 who are long term (16-22 year) workers they all have 4 weeks, one even > gets 5 (22 years) I know if I buy the place all the old rules are out the > door. I think I will cap them at my current 3 weeks. I got to believe this > will not over well, but they would likely be closing if I do not buy them. > For those of you who have bought others how did you handle accrued vacations > and other benefits? I watched one where an owner started every one at one > week and cut all benefits, in 6-9 months every key person had left. > > I want to keep them, but paying for a firm and then acquiring this type of > long term benefits seem a high cost. > > John M. Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company > 125-129 East First Street > Oswego, New York 13126 From xeroid at kos.net Fri Dec 7 04:51:56 2007 From: xeroid at kos.net (xeroid) Date: Fri Dec 7 04:52:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color References: <010801c83853$467828a0$0b01a8c0@CharXP><20071206225134.4D09BCD63D0@rb.enter.net> <003701c8387d$7894e330$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <7A4A25FE79434B40A974F87B0BA7F6D1@BEDROOM> > Oh wow. I guess I need to talk to my CSR and make sure about the prices. > That is what he told me he got. Thanks for the info. PLEASE let the list know if this is indeed an error by your CSR and that in fact the real prices are below. >> Quantity 1: 1000 >> Quantity 2: 2500 >> Quantity 3: 5000 >> >> Flat size: 6 x 11 >> Finished size: 6 x 11 >> Color: 4/4 >> Paper Type: 100 LB Gloss Cover >> Finishing: FLAT >> comments: >> ***AQ ON BOTH SIDES >> PRICE QTY 1:$239.00 for 1k (5-7 BUSINESS DAYS) >> PRICE QTY 2:$399.00 for 2.5k (5-7 BUSINESS DAYS) >> PRICE QTY 3:$498.00 for 5k (5-7 BUSINESS DAYS) Wayne Stevenhaagen & Assiciates Kingston, ON, Canada From eric at prioritypress.com Fri Dec 7 07:49:00 2007 From: eric at prioritypress.com (Eric Mance) Date: Fri Dec 7 07:49:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How much vacation is to much? Message-ID: I'm curious, As owners, how much time do you take off a year? Not including working vacations such as going to a trade show and adding a couple of days to your visit but real vacations. Eric Mance Priority Press 132 Shaker Rd East Longmeadow, MA 01028 413-525-6111 413-525-2681 fax www.prioritypress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of bill@mauiprintworks.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 3:16 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] How much vacation is to much? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In my opinion that amount of paid time off is one reason that company would be having a hard time. Each employee needs to earn their time off just as hard as they earn their pay rate. Bill Marsh Maui Print Works Wailuku, Maui, Hawaii > > Now here comes my issue. I am looking at acquiring a shop that has 5 out of > 8 who are long term (16-22 year) workers they all have 4 weeks, one even > gets 5 (22 years) I know if I buy the place all the old rules are out the > door. I think I will cap them at my current 3 weeks. I got to believe this > will not over well, but they would likely be closing if I do not buy them. > For those of you who have bought others how did you handle accrued vacations > and other benefits? I watched one where an owner started every one at one > week and cut all benefits, in 6-9 months every key person had left. > > I want to keep them, but paying for a firm and then acquiring this type of > long term benefits seem a high cost. > > John M. Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company > 125-129 East First Street > Oswego, New York 13126 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From jeff at hprinting.biz Fri Dec 7 07:52:51 2007 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Fri Dec 7 07:53:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Online print makeover In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20071207125247.5016.31020@hm-pop1.solinus.com> At 06:54 PM 12/6/2007, you wrote: >Those prices provided by 4 Over are wholesale pricing. They also have a >retail website for all the others. Oh, so your saying they are your competitor besides your vendor? Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From acepm2 at gmail.com Fri Dec 7 08:36:39 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Fri Dec 7 08:36:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Online print makeover In-Reply-To: <20071207125247.5016.31020@hm-pop1.solinus.com> References: <20071207125247.5016.31020@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Message-ID: ZING!!!!!!!!!!!!! Smells like NEBS!!!!!!!!! Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Dec 7, 2007 7:52 AM, Jeff Haines wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > At 06:54 PM 12/6/2007, you wrote: > >Those prices provided by 4 Over are wholesale pricing. They also have a > >retail website for all the others. > > > Oh, so your saying they are your competitor besides your vendor? > > Jeff > > Haines Printing Co. > 10575 W. Main Rd. > North East, PA 16428 > (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 > email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From ron at printingconcepts.com Fri Dec 7 09:06:32 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Fri Dec 7 08:59:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] folder/inserter Message-ID: Charlene: Watch out regarding buying ANY tabletop inserter. Incredible as it may seem, most of the tabletop inserters never worked even when they were NEW. And don't think "I am a great mechanic, I can make anything work", many of these just were simply bad designs, they needed absolutely perfectly made envelopes, etc. This may have changed, but that was the conventional wisdom on this list until a couple years ago. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From MikeR at prospectparkpress.com Fri Dec 7 09:31:33 2007 From: MikeR at prospectparkpress.com (MikeR) Date: Fri Dec 7 09:31:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM550 Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20071207143138.0D158CD9005@rb.enter.net> This is my first post. I appreciate your help as we are going through our selection process. We are looking at upgrading from a KM500 to a KM550. The quality and performance on our 500 has not been great with cover stock. Our trial with the 550 has shown substantial improvements in both quality and performance with cover stock. My questions: 1) What has been the general experience with others that have the KM550? 2) Is anyone using a machine of this caliber to successfully produce color proofs for your offset press? Thanks, Mike From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Fri Dec 7 09:54:53 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Fri Dec 7 09:56:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] spiral coil inserters Message-ID: I had posted quite some time ago that I had a Unicoil spiral coil inserter and that they had gone out of business and I cannot find a rubber belt that contacts the coil to drive it into the book. I'm looking at new inserters and I've seen a different process where instead of a 1" belt driving the coil, it uses about a 14" roller that is in contact with the entire length of the coil as it is being inserted. Wonder if anyone can give me any feedback with this process. Here is a picture of that type of machine. http://tinyurl.com/3dqcvw. I don't need a heavy duty machine but rather it is for pretty small orders, generally less than 100. Also, anyone have any experience with Rhin-O-Tuff inserters in general? Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.08730 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From dennisdater at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 7 10:09:44 2007 From: dennisdater at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Dater) Date: Fri Dec 7 10:10:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] spiral coil inserters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20071207151035.7110ECD9279@rb.enter.net> Mark, There is a Rhin-O-Tuff dealer in San Diego, Ca. He may have parts for different equipment. Custom Binding Products, 800-325-9433, or craig@custombinding.com. Dennis Dater Allegra Print & Imaging 8037 Vickers Street San Diego, CA 92111 858-576-0100 or 619-696-6290 www.allegrasandiego.com dennisdater@sbcglobal.net -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark Lake Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 6:55 AM To: PrintOwners Subject: [PrintOwners] spiral coil inserters ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I had posted quite some time ago that I had a Unicoil spiral coil inserter and that they had gone out of business and I cannot find a rubber belt that contacts the coil to drive it into the book. I'm looking at new inserters and I've seen a different process where instead of a 1" belt driving the coil, it uses about a 14" roller that is in contact with the entire length of the coil as it is being inserted. Wonder if anyone can give me any feedback with this process. Here is a picture of that type of machine. http://tinyurl.com/3dqcvw. I don't need a heavy duty machine but rather it is for pretty small orders, generally less than 100. Also, anyone have any experience with Rhin-O-Tuff inserters in general? Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.08730 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.15/1174 - Release Date: 12/6/2007 10:11 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.15/1174 - Release Date: 12/6/2007 10:11 AM From robin at protypeonline.com Fri Dec 7 10:25:21 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Fri Dec 7 10:25:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP Members? Message-ID: <2E2AF338-588B-4022-8FB8-877C5B182487@protypeonline.com> I just noticed in Tommy's signature at the bottom of his post about 4- over color prices that he included his NAQP Membership #. Interesting.....and caught my attention. Question: is there any merit to asking other NAQP members that participate in this list to (also) identify themselves as members in their signatures? Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com NAQP Member From mark at newprinting.com Fri Dec 7 10:27:16 2007 From: mark at newprinting.com (Mark Weinfurter) Date: Fri Dec 7 10:27:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How much vacation is to much? In-Reply-To: <20071207151038.7C736CD92A7@rb.enter.net> References: <20071207151038.7C736CD92A7@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <7238c6278494ed42d69e31738255e02f@newprinting.com> The flip side of vacation given -- We have an above average vacation package. When someone stays for 5-10 years, the employees with a fair amount of vacation time built up almost never consider other jobs because they would loose that. The don't want to start over again...It also helps in bringing on good employees. Thanks, Mark Weinfurter N. E. W. Printing 1718 E. Wisconsin Ave. Appleton, WI 54911 1-888-563-0400 Fax 920-735-9945 www.newprinting.com mark@newprinting.com 'A very cool web site...www.newprinting.com' From po-lists at sugarloafprint.com Fri Dec 7 10:39:09 2007 From: po-lists at sugarloafprint.com (Ron Sardo) Date: Fri Dec 7 10:39:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Digital Picture Frame - Update In-Reply-To: <9865BE54-390F-45FF-876F-3AB548A63199@protypeonline.com> References: <9865BE54-390F-45FF-876F-3AB548A63199@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <4759691D.9000808@sugarloafprint.com> Robin Niewold wrote: > NOW, is there a batch conversion program (free download) for > converting lots of pictures at one time to a smaller resolution before > I load them onto these frames? http://bluefive.pair.com/pixresizer.htm -- Ron Sardo Sugarloaf Print Shop mailto:po-lists@sugarloafprint.com www.sugarloafprint.com 570-788-5099 ? Fax: 570-788-6077 From robin at protypeonline.com Fri Dec 7 10:41:16 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Fri Dec 7 10:41:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How much vacation is to much? Message-ID: <0B0269E0-BBE9-4D81-B4FB-329A3827E921@protypeonline.com> John, with regard to your post about this shop you might purchase and the long-term employees getting 4-5 weeks vacation time. MY suggestion, after purchasing another VERY small shop in comparison to your situation. You need to keep these people on "long enough" to help yourself. So, grandfather in their vacation time and let them know that (after the merger is complete) all past practices and company policies will be reviewed in the near future. After they have helped you successfully merge and things are going .....THEN you can lower the boom. I think it is a small price to pay upfront for you to have their experience and the continuity they will bring as you try to bring the 2 businesses together. Just my thoughts but I can't imagine letting someone have 4-5 weeks of vacation time per year. Sure, in a business with a several hundred employees and 10+ employees per deptartment they can do it because there will always be enough co-workers to disperse workload among ....but a shop of 20 or less employees -- you would never, ever have all employees on the job at the same time! Someone would always be on vacation. YIKES! Isn't that where the owners are supposed to be ... ON VACATION!????? Just my two cents worth -- yes, you need to save money in the merger, but not immediately and you need to be sure not to cut off your nose to spite your face! Merry Christmas! Enjoying gorgeous snow-covered fields and the scenery from my home office -- red barn, windmill and 80+ acres.....LIFE IS GOOD! :) robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From craig at newhavenprint.com Fri Dec 7 10:46:07 2007 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Fri Dec 7 10:43:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Direct Smile In-Reply-To: <2E2AF338-588B-4022-8FB8-877C5B182487@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <20071207154347.351A0CD9597@rb.enter.net> Good Morning, Is anyone on the list using Direct Smile for VDP? It seems a little pricey, but they have some amazing effects and templates. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com NAQP Member ;-) From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Fri Dec 7 10:45:16 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Fri Dec 7 10:45:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color Message-ID: LOL Charlene. Your too Cute! Tommy Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From robin at protypeonline.com Fri Dec 7 10:50:08 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Fri Dec 7 10:50:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How much vacation is to much? Message-ID: <9BE4B5E6-2B3D-4DB1-8944-EC3D20EB99F2@protypeonline.com> Eric, I'm sure I am not the "norm" for owners on your question regarding how much time do I take off from the business during the year. Right now, I might work 50% of the time. This is after 27 years. My goal is to work even less and continue to work "on" the business from home and let my very able staff to work "in" the business and handle production and other day-to-day issues. I am beginning week 9 of recovering from spinal fusion surgery and I am thrilled to pieces to say that my staff has not missed a beat in my absence. The other day I got an email from one of them saying the conveyor on the shrink wrap unit was not working, a repairman (local) was called and he said it was a bad motor, $175 for new motor plus his time to install. I immediately called in telling them "do it" -- and the response was, "oh, we're past that, we were just letting you know"! WONDERFUL NEWS!!!!!! NOW, in case you don't know, I employ all women (8) not by choice. So, I do find it necessary to visit even when they don't think they need me -- about every 6-8 weeks, they need to vent (about each other, someone isn't pulling their own weight.....equipment problems or needs or.... whatever). So, I go in and initiate a conversation with each of them that will lend itself to giving them the opportunity they need and want to share and vent. I feel qualified to make this very sexist remark since I am 100% woman! :)))) Now, I'm off the list for the day -- We have several inches of beautiful white snow and I plan to grab another cup of coffee and enjoy the gorgeous scenery outside my sunroom windows. YES, LIFE IS GOOD in Loda, Illinois! Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From rstor at copycats.com Fri Dec 7 10:55:31 2007 From: rstor at copycats.com (Robert Stor) Date: Fri Dec 7 10:57:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] spiral coil inserters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47596CF3.6040207@copycats.com> Mark, Rhin-o-tuff is the Cadillac (or should I say Lexus) of table-top binding equipment. We have 3 punchers, a couple of closers and a coil inserter, and they they perform as advertised, with at least twice the useful life of equivalent machines, in my experience. Regards, Bob Stor Copycats New York, NY 212-557-2111 x20 www.copycats.com Mark Lake wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I had posted quite some time ago that I had a Unicoil spiral coil inserter > and that they had gone out of business and I cannot find a rubber belt that > contacts the coil to drive it into the book. I'm looking at new inserters > and I've seen a different process where instead of a 1" belt driving the > coil, it uses about a 14" roller that is in contact with the entire length > of the coil as it is being inserted. Wonder if anyone can give me any > feedback with this process. Here is a picture of that type of machine. > > http://tinyurl.com/3dqcvw. > > I don't need a heavy duty machine but rather it is for pretty small orders, > generally less than 100. Also, anyone have any experience with Rhin-O-Tuff > inserters in general? > > Mark Lake > PIP Printing > 368 Jefferson Street > Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 > 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax > www.pipsturgeonbay.com > Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com > > To send a file to us, please use the link below > http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 > > > > > > E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) > Database version: 5.08730 > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From jeff at hprinting.biz Fri Dec 7 11:13:26 2007 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Fri Dec 7 11:13:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] EZ Creaser Users In-Reply-To: References: <000f01c8368b$0d2a5010$1e00000a@tech.local> <4756BF9E.19229.1395BE1@slb.inkspot.net> <20071206132307.8588.24752@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Message-ID: <20071207161320.5435.26800@hm-pop1.solinus.com> At 09:49 AM 12/6/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Jeff, > >Thanks! I have a gut feeling I would be disappointed in this machine >as well, but still, I'll go see one and run some test jobs next week. >I hate to impose further, but could I ask you some specific questions? > >1. Are you using this to score digital color copies? Some. We don't do a lot of digital color copies. >2. How well does it actually keep the toner from cracking? Could you >rate the result on a 1 - 10 scale with 10 being the highest on the >following stocks? Assume heavy toner coverage on both sides. > >28lb or 32lb Color Copy Text Non coated - > >100lb Text Gloss - > >80lb. Cougar Cover (or similar) - > >100lb Gloss Cover - > >10pt C1S - > >12pt C1S - We don't do a lot. I don't know about each stock, but we've had good sucess with the stocks we've run. >3. - Does it hold registration at 8.5 x 11? > (I am suspicious of the paper being fed in straight as the entire >machine looks similar to our Graphic Whizard Numbering/Scoring >Machine. It can be very difficult to do a traditional score straight >on this machine.) Decent, but not as good as a direct feed press. The operator has to know what he is doing and keep an eye on it. >3b - The minimum size I have found is either a 4"x4" or a 3"x5". I >found conflicting specs in my research. Is this the size you are >having trouble with registering? It's been impossible to do these sizes. >3c - Is it capable of holding registration on a 5.5" x 8.5" sheet >(for foldover cards, etc.) - About the same to not quit as good as 8?x11. >4. Can you adjust the actual pressure of the scoring bar to control >how deep the score in the stock is? Not sure. >5. Does the scoring bar come down into a groove with the paper being >between the groove and scoring bar? I think so. >Or does it come down against a >rubber or flexible surface? Or something else? >6. And finally, how many 8.5 x 11 pieces with >two scores (for a tri- fold) do you average running in an hour? The only run I have times for was 7,500 8x9 with 1 crease. We did 2,500/hr. >7. Can you think of anything I left out that I should have asked? >It's a very nice deep score. Smaller size jobs >or longer runs we score on our AB Dick. >I very much appreciate your assistance with this. I hope to be able >to help you out in kind one day. > >Thanks, > >Ben Travis > >Copy Express >4004-A South Blvd. >Charlotte, NC 20209 >cpyxpres@bellsouth.net >704-527-1750 >On Dec 6, 2007, at 8:23 AM, Jeff Haines wrote: > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>At 05:43 PM 12/5/2007, you wrote: >>>I will go look at another EZ Creaser in the area at another print >>>shop to demo it. However, the other printer has only had it for 2 or >>>3 weeks, so I don't know how valuable his input will be. But I would >>>get to run some test jobs on various stocks. >> >> >>We've had one for 6 months or so. We been somewhat disappointed. >>Maybe our expectations were to high. We were the first one to buy >>from the salesman in our area and he didn't have on to demo. Our >>issues are we can't register at the minimum size. For 8?x11 and >>11x17 it's slow, but ok. I would be curious to know if it is worse >>than the competitors or if that is the nature of this type of machine. >> >>Jeff >> >>Haines Printing Co. >>10575 W. Main Rd. >>North East, PA 16428 >>(814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 >>email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From melissa at kwiksolutions.com Fri Dec 7 11:21:43 2007 From: melissa at kwiksolutions.com (Melissa Uber) Date: Fri Dec 7 11:21:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] romvelope Message-ID: <01bc01c838ed$41d398d0$3e00000a@Melissa> Just had a client call looking for a price on a ROMVELOPE. It is a piece of paper printed and then die cut into a self-envelope to fit a cd. Anyone have a source for these? Thanks! Melissa Melissa Uber Kwik Solutions...Everything in Print! melissa@kwiksolutions.com Jamestown - 20 W. 3rd St, Jamestown, NY 14701 (716) 483-3227 Warren - 326 Penna Ave W., Warren, PA 16365 (814) 726-5679 From david.doost at gmail.com Fri Dec 7 11:26:10 2007 From: david.doost at gmail.com (David Doost) Date: Fri Dec 7 11:26:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] spiral coil inserters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47597427.1d0c360a.25dc.ffff9c33@mx.google.com> Two thumbs up - way up! Rhino's are built like their namesake. We have had three of them for over 2-3 years with no problems. David Doost Printing Impression 1200 Barrett Parkway Suite 4 Kennesaw, GA 30144 770-422-8766 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mark Lake Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 9:55 AM To: PrintOwners Subject: [PrintOwners] spiral coil inserters ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I had posted quite some time ago that I had a Unicoil spiral coil inserter and that they had gone out of business and I cannot find a rubber belt that contacts the coil to drive it into the book. I'm looking at new inserters and I've seen a different process where instead of a 1" belt driving the coil, it uses about a 14" roller that is in contact with the entire length of the coil as it is being inserted. Wonder if anyone can give me any feedback with this process. Here is a picture of that type of machine. http://tinyurl.com/3dqcvw. I don't need a heavy duty machine but rather it is for pretty small orders, generally less than 100. Also, anyone have any experience with Rhin-O-Tuff inserters in general? Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.08730 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From championprinting at yahoo.com Fri Dec 7 11:26:24 2007 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Fri Dec 7 11:26:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Online print makeover Message-ID: <379523.21699.qm@web38909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Smells, looks, tastes, sounds... That's extremely nice of them to allow the public to order directly. Think I'll just save them the trouble and email them our client list. Really, I don't understand any broker working with a "gang" printer that is not exclusively wholesale to the trade. There seems to be plenty of them out there. This doesn't mean I don't work with other small printers where there is a personal relationship and trust. Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Thom Gulyas To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Friday, December 7, 2007 8:36:39 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Online print makeover ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** ZING!!!!!!!!!!!!! Smells like NEBS!!!!!!!!! Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Dec 7, 2007 7:52 AM, Jeff Haines wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > At 06:54 PM 12/6/2007, you wrote: > >Those prices provided by 4 Over are wholesale pricing. They also have a > >retail website for all the others. > > > Oh, so your saying they are your competitor besides your vendor? > > Jeff > > Haines Printing Co. > 10575 W. Main Rd. > North East, PA 16428 > (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 > email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Fri Dec 7 11:26:48 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Fri Dec 7 11:27:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Online print makeover Message-ID: Jeff I have no printing press in my location. I usually send out work to another printer (x-partner). His prices are good, but not as good as 4 Over. So I don't consider them my competitor. Tommy Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 NAQP Member #1031539 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From acepm2 at gmail.com Fri Dec 7 11:33:55 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Fri Dec 7 11:34:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Online print makeover In-Reply-To: <379523.21699.qm@web38909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <379523.21699.qm@web38909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What's funny Ted is that the same printers that are using these "Vendor/Competitors" will be the same ones crying in about a year or so saying "I can't make any money! My vendor went after my customers....." Yadda-yadda!! Hilarious if you ask me. "If you continue to feed the lion and then turn your back on him, don't be suprised when he bites you in the ass!" Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Dec 7, 2007 11:26 AM, Ted Gelletly wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Smells, looks, tastes, sounds... That's extremely nice of them to allow > the public to order directly. Think I'll just save them the trouble and > email them our client list. Really, I don't understand any broker working > with a "gang" printer that is not exclusively wholesale to the trade. There > seems to be plenty of them out there. This doesn't mean I don't work with > other small printers where there is a personal relationship and trust. > > Ted Gelletly > Champion Printing > 5401 New Expansion Drive > Eldersburg MD 21784 > 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 > ted@championprintingonline.com > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Thom Gulyas > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only < > printowners@printweb.org> > Sent: Friday, December 7, 2007 8:36:39 AM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Online print makeover > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > ZING!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Smells like NEBS!!!!!!!!! > > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > www.acepm.com > > > > > > On Dec 7, 2007 7:52 AM, Jeff Haines wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > At 06:54 PM 12/6/2007, you wrote: > > >Those prices provided by 4 Over are wholesale pricing. They also have > a > > >retail website for all the others. > > > > > > Oh, so your saying they are your competitor besides your vendor? > > > > Jeff > > > > Haines Printing Co. > > 10575 W. Main Rd. > > North East, PA 16428 > > (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 > > email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Fri Dec 7 11:34:46 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Fri Dec 7 11:35:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP Members? Message-ID: Hey Robin. All my responses come attached with that information. I've placed it there when I efirst started to check out the forum. I've seen complaints from others that either had sales people or employees posting. I just figured by showing it, the forum will see that I'm a member. But to bless your little heart I will not show it! Merry Christmas Tommy **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From char at themasterspress.com Fri Dec 7 11:34:58 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Fri Dec 7 11:35:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color In-Reply-To: <7A4A25FE79434B40A974F87B0BA7F6D1@BEDROOM> References: <010801c83853$467828a0$0b01a8c0@CharXP><20071206225134.4D09BCD63D0@rb.enter.net><003701c8387d$7894e330$0b01a8c0@CharXP> <7A4A25FE79434B40A974F87B0BA7F6D1@BEDROOM> Message-ID: <00bf01c838ef$1eee6be0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> We checked and it is the price. It is in production. I did make a small mistake. It is 4 x 11, not 6 x 11. It is in their bargain price which probably means they stick in on the end of something because of the size. You can just do 2500 or 5000. But it is $109 plus $35 shipping. We have paid it and are waiting for it to be delivered. We are charging way more than that price for the job. But still giving the customer a good price. Because of competition on the list I don't care to give the exact of how much we are charging but you are welcome to email me privately if you want to know. I don't want to give all my secrets to the guys down the street - Jim. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of xeroid Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 3:52 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Amazing price on 4 color ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > Oh wow. I guess I need to talk to my CSR and make sure about the prices. > That is what he told me he got. Thanks for the info. PLEASE let the list know if this is indeed an error by your CSR and that in fact the real prices are below. >> Quantity 1: 1000 >> Quantity 2: 2500 >> Quantity 3: 5000 >> >> Flat size: 6 x 11 >> Finished size: 6 x 11 >> Color: 4/4 >> Paper Type: 100 LB Gloss Cover >> Finishing: FLAT >> comments: >> ***AQ ON BOTH SIDES >> PRICE QTY 1:$239.00 for 1k (5-7 BUSINESS DAYS) >> PRICE QTY 2:$399.00 for 2.5k (5-7 BUSINESS DAYS) >> PRICE QTY 3:$498.00 for 5k (5-7 BUSINESS DAYS) Wayne Stevenhaagen & Assiciates Kingston, ON, Canada _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Fri Dec 7 11:45:43 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Fri Dec 7 11:46:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] spiral coil inserters In-Reply-To: <20071207151038.5ED8CCD92A4@rb.enter.net> References: <20071207151038.5ED8CCD92A4@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Coil inserter Roll-@-Coil Electric Coil Inserter then purchase for about $300 from Ken Vedder, he's not too far away. National Binding 350 Smoke Tree Business Park North Aurora, IL 60542 www.nationalbinding.us Tel: (888) 824-6346 Works great for us - 3,000 books > .....I'm looking at new inserters > and I've seen a different process where instead of a 1" belt driving > the > coil, it uses about a 14" roller that is in contact with the entire > length > of the coil as it is being inserted. Wonder if anyone can give me any > feedback with this process. Here is a picture of that type of machine. > > http://tinyurl.com/3dqcvw. > > I don't need a heavy duty machine but rather it is for pretty small > orders, > generally less than 100. Also, anyone have any experience with > Rhin-O-Tuff > inserters in general? > > Mark Lake > PIP Printing > 368 Jefferson Street > Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Fri Dec 7 11:48:06 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Fri Dec 7 11:48:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Online print makeover Message-ID: X-cellent Analogy Thom. I use them 90% of the time for 4/4 Business cards. Mostly in 1000 units. I have a competitor that is actually a Full Detailing Operation for "CARS" I don't know what the jerk is using to print this cards with, but the moron sells 5000 4/4 UV on 12 pt for $99.00 By the way, that price is with designing. So when it comes to competing with schmucks like this. It just makes sense to send to 4/over. But yet I sell 1000 for $99. Around 20 - 30 a month. Tommy Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From segass at heritageprinting.com Fri Dec 7 12:18:12 2007 From: segass at heritageprinting.com (Steve Gass) Date: Fri Dec 7 12:18:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Navigator GPS Workflow from Xitron In-Reply-To: <20071207161320.5435.26800@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Message-ID: <006c01c838f5$25b8a520$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> In need feed back on this? Pros & Cons Who is using it? Small or big shops, copy shops, commercial shops, combo shops. And how far can you push it? What is the price, if know? Thanks, Steve Gass Heritage Printing & Mailing 240-298-0102 From russ at mobile-print.com Fri Dec 7 13:42:24 2007 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Fri Dec 7 12:44:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Salesperson Compensation Structire Message-ID: <47599410.8010308@mobile-print.com> We're in the process of hiring an outside sales person and would like to know how others set up their compensation plans. This is new territory for us and we want to get all our numbers right before presenting it to him. He has been selling quick and small commercial printing (exactly our market) for 18 years. We've had three meetings with him and have determined that we have a good fit so the last piece of the puzzle is the compensation plan. How are others setting up their plans regarding base salary, commission on new business, commission on new business from existing customers (account penetration), commission on old business (nothing new from customer for x period), setting quotas/goals and so on. He needs a minimum income of mid 30's to meet his needs. Do we meet this need by setting his base pay at that point until he ramps up his sales and then lower the base? If we continue his base at that rate and then add in commissions as his sales build we end up paying a ton of money. Any advice would be helpfull, we're trying to get this all wrapped up today. Thanks in advance. -- Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Fri Dec 7 13:00:50 2007 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Fri Dec 7 13:01:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] EZ Creaser Users In-Reply-To: <20071207161320.5435.26800@hm-pop1.solinus.com> References: <000f01c8368b$0d2a5010$1e00000a@tech.local> <4756BF9E.19229.1395BE1@slb.inkspot.net> <20071206132307.8588.24752@hm-pop1.solinus.com> <20071207161320.5435.26800@hm-pop1.solinus.com> Message-ID: <52C324FF-3A9E-4DC7-9E8D-2D728AA17759@bellsouth.net> Jeff, Thanks! Every bit of information helps... I hope I can return the favor sometime! Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Dec 7, 2007, at 11:13 AM, Jeff Haines wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > At 09:49 AM 12/6/2007, you wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Jeff, >> >> Thanks! I have a gut feeling I would be disappointed in this machine >> as well, but still, I'll go see one and run some test jobs next week. >> I hate to impose further, but could I ask you some specific >> questions? >> >> 1. Are you using this to score digital color copies? > Some. We don't do a lot of digital color copies. > >> 2. How well does it actually keep the toner from cracking? Could you >> rate the result on a 1 - 10 scale with 10 being the highest on the >> following stocks? Assume heavy toner coverage on both sides. >> >> 28lb or 32lb Color Copy Text Non coated - >> >> 100lb Text Gloss - >> >> 80lb. Cougar Cover (or similar) - >> >> 100lb Gloss Cover - >> >> 10pt C1S - >> >> 12pt C1S - > We don't do a lot. I don't know about each stock, but we've had > good sucess with the stocks we've run. > >> 3. - Does it hold registration at 8.5 x 11? >> (I am suspicious of the paper being fed in straight as the >> entire >> machine looks similar to our Graphic Whizard Numbering/Scoring >> Machine. It can be very difficult to do a traditional score straight >> on this machine.) > Decent, but not as good as a direct feed press. The operator has to > know what he is doing and keep an eye on it. > >> 3b - The minimum size I have found is either a 4"x4" or a 3"x5". I >> found conflicting specs in my research. Is this the size you are >> having trouble with registering? > It's been impossible to do these sizes. > >> 3c - Is it capable of holding registration on a 5.5" x 8.5" sheet >> (for foldover cards, etc.) - > About the same to not quit as good as 8?x11. > >> 4. Can you adjust the actual pressure of the scoring bar to control >> how deep the score in the stock is? > Not sure. > >> 5. Does the scoring bar come down into a groove with the paper being >> between the groove and scoring bar? I think so. Or does it come >> down against a >> rubber or flexible surface? Or something else? > >> 6. And finally, how many 8.5 x 11 pieces with two scores (for a >> tri- fold) do you average running in an hour? > The only run I have times for was 7,500 8x9 with 1 crease. We did > 2,500/hr. > >> 7. Can you think of anything I left out that I should have asked? >> It's a very nice deep score. Smaller size jobs or longer runs we >> score on our AB Dick. >> I very much appreciate your assistance with this. I hope to be able >> to help you out in kind one day. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ben Travis >> >> Copy Express >> 4004-A South Blvd. >> Charlotte, NC 20209 >> cpyxpres@bellsouth.net >> 704-527-1750 >> On Dec 6, 2007, at 8:23 AM, Jeff Haines wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> At 05:43 PM 12/5/2007, you wrote: >>>> I will go look at another EZ Creaser in the area at another print >>>> shop to demo it. However, the other printer has only had it for >>>> 2 or >>>> 3 weeks, so I don't know how valuable his input will be. But I >>>> would >>>> get to run some test jobs on various stocks. >>> >>> >>> We've had one for 6 months or so. We been somewhat disappointed. >>> Maybe our expectations were to high. We were the first one to buy >>> from the salesman in our area and he didn't have on to demo. Our >>> issues are we can't register at the minimum size. For 8?x11 and >>> 11x17 it's slow, but ok. I would be curious to know if it is worse >>> than the competitors or if that is the nature of this type of >>> machine. >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>> Haines Printing Co. >>> 10575 W. Main Rd. >>> North East, PA 16428 >>> (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 >>> email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > Jeff > > Haines Printing Co. > 10575 W. Main Rd. > North East, PA 16428 > (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 > email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com Fri Dec 7 12:05:25 2007 From: richard at sirspeedy-brickell.com (Richard Moffat) Date: Fri Dec 7 13:13:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] romvelope In-Reply-To: <01bc01c838ed$41d398d0$3e00000a@Melissa> References: <01bc01c838ed$41d398d0$3e00000a@Melissa> Message-ID: Digifolders.com has this. Richard Moffat Sir Speedy 244 S.W. 6th Street Miami, Florida 33130 (305) 285-1401 Tel (305) 285-1402 Fax richard@sirspeedy-brickell.com www.sirspeedy-brickell.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Melissa Uber Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 11:22 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] romvelope ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Just had a client call looking for a price on a ROMVELOPE. It is a piece of paper printed and then die cut into a self-envelope to fit a cd. Anyone have a source for these? Thanks! Melissa Melissa Uber Kwik Solutions...Everything in Print! melissa@kwiksolutions.com Jamestown - 20 W. 3rd St, Jamestown, NY 14701 (716) 483-3227 Warren - 326 Penna Ave W., Warren, PA 16365 (814) 726-5679 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From acepm2 at gmail.com Fri Dec 7 13:43:28 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Fri Dec 7 13:43:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How much vacation is to much? In-Reply-To: <0B0269E0-BBE9-4D81-B4FB-329A3827E921@protypeonline.com> References: <0B0269E0-BBE9-4D81-B4FB-329A3827E921@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: You know Robin, With all that "high tech gadgetry" you have you should at least attach a few photos of what it all looks liked!!! That is the very least you could do for us!!! LOLOL!!!! Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Dec 7, 2007 10:41 AM, Robin Niewold wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > John, > > with regard to your post about this shop you might purchase and the > long-term employees getting 4-5 weeks vacation time. MY suggestion, > after purchasing another VERY small shop in comparison to your > situation. You need to keep these people on "long enough" to help > yourself. So, grandfather in their vacation time and let them know > that (after the merger is complete) all past practices and company > policies will be reviewed in the near future. After they have helped > you successfully merge and things are going .....THEN you can lower > the boom. I think it is a small price to pay upfront for you to have > their experience and the continuity they will bring as you try to > bring the 2 businesses together. > > Just my thoughts but I can't imagine letting someone have 4-5 weeks > of vacation time per year. Sure, in a business with a several hundred > employees and 10+ employees per deptartment they can do it because > there will always be enough co-workers to disperse workload > among ....but a shop of 20 or less employees -- you would never, ever > have all employees on the job at the same time! Someone would always > be on vacation. YIKES! Isn't that where the owners are supposed to > be ... ON VACATION!????? > > Just my two cents worth -- yes, you need to save money in the merger, > but not immediately and you need to be sure not to cut off your nose > to spite your face! > > Merry Christmas! > > Enjoying gorgeous snow-covered fields and the scenery from my home > office -- red barn, windmill and 80+ acres.....LIFE IS GOOD! > > :) > robin > > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From barryt99 at gmail.com Fri Dec 7 13:43:38 2007 From: barryt99 at gmail.com (Barry Takayesu) Date: Fri Dec 7 13:43:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Navigator GPS Workflow from Xitron In-Reply-To: <006c01c838f5$25b8a520$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> References: <20071207161320.5435.26800@hm-pop1.solinus.com> <006c01c838f5$25b8a520$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> Message-ID: On 12/7/07, Steve Gass wrote: > In need feed back on this? Pros & Cons > > Who is using it? Small or big shops, copy shops, commercial shops, combo > shops. > Steve Gass > Heritage Printing & Mailing > 240-298-0102 Steve, there's some traffic here, from Google Groups http://preview.tinyurl.com/ytg5mc --------------------------------------------- Barry Takayesu Prestige Print & Graphics St.Thomas, ON N5P 3T1 barry@prestigeprint.ca From jim at visaliaidea.com Fri Dec 7 13:43:47 2007 From: jim at visaliaidea.com (James Laber) Date: Fri Dec 7 13:44:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Naqp Members In-Reply-To: <20071207161337.6848BCD98A2@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <004601c83901$1a577970$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local> Great idea Robin! That got me to thinking maybe I should have all of my memberships listed in my signature. Jim Laber Idea! Printing & Graphics Inc 1921 E Main St Visalia CA 93292 559-733-4149 X118 Fax: 559-636-3690 jim@visaliaidea.com http://www.visaliaidea.com/ Member Of: Visalia Chamber of Commerce Tulare Chamber of Commerce Exeter Chamber of Commerce NAQP-National Association of Quick Printers ASI-Advertising Specialty Institute From: Robin Niewold Subject: [PrintOwners] NAQP Members? To: printowners printowners Message-ID: <2E2AF338-588B-4022-8FB8-877C5B182487@protypeonline.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I just noticed in Tommy's signature at the bottom of his post about 4- over color prices that he included his NAQP Membership #. Interesting.....and caught my attention. Question: is there any merit to asking other NAQP members that participate in this list to (also) identify themselves as members in their signatures? Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com NAQP Member From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Fri Dec 7 13:56:19 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Fri Dec 7 13:56:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Naqp Members Message-ID: LM( Y )O Jim : )~~ Robin Tommy Village Duplicating & Graphics, Inc. 3612 E. Tremont Avenue Bronx, N.Y. 10465 718.904.7760 718.892.2315 Fax _www.printing-n-graphics.com_ (http://www.printing-n-graphics.com/) **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From slb at inkspot.net Fri Dec 7 14:06:26 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Fri Dec 7 14:07:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Salesperson Compensation Structire In-Reply-To: <47599410.8010308@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: <47595362.22052.B13B089@slb.inkspot.net> Russ, I know this isn't quite what you asked, and I'm not qualified to answer your question (I'm the only outside salesperson here), but... If I were in your position, I'd place a call to Dave Fellman, and pay him for his advice. This is right in his area of expertise, and you'd get the benefit of his experience with a variety of shops. JMO, Steve > > We're in the process of hiring an outside sales person and would like to > know how others set up their compensation plans. This is new territory > for us and we want to get all our numbers right before presenting it to > him. He has been selling quick and small commercial printing (exactly > our market) for 18 years. We've had three meetings with him and have > determined that we have a good fit so the last piece of the puzzle is > the compensation plan. How are others setting up their plans regarding > base salary, commission on new business, commission on new business from > existing customers (account penetration), commission on old business > (nothing new from customer for x period), setting quotas/goals and so on. > > He needs a minimum income of mid 30's to meet his needs. Do we meet this > need by setting his base pay at that point until he ramps up his sales > and then lower the base? If we continue his base at that rate and then > add in commissions as his sales build we end up paying a ton of money. > > Any advice would be helpfull, we're trying to get this all wrapped up today. > > Thanks in advance. > > -- > Russ Peters > MOBILE PRINT, INC. > 201 W. Central Road > Mount Prospect, IL 60056 > Phone: 847.398.6155 > Fax: 847.398.0788 > E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com > W. www.Mobile-Print.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2710 (20071207) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From david.galle at prodigy.net Fri Dec 7 14:11:58 2007 From: david.galle at prodigy.net (David Galle) Date: Fri Dec 7 14:12:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] AB Dick QP-25 Message-ID: Can anyone offer input on the AB Dick QP-25 press? How does it compare to the 9810 series? Any problems, strength's etc. Thanks in advance, Dave Galle Letter Suite Printing Tempe, AZ 480-947-8390 fax 480-966-0962 From ron at printingconcepts.com Fri Dec 7 15:29:38 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Fri Dec 7 15:22:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Salesperson Compensation Structire In-Reply-To: <47599410.8010308@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: We determine a salary that the guy won't starve on for the first year w/a smaller commission. At one year, it flips. He gets a smaller salary ($20K) and a large commission. This way, when you get to one year, if he is mediocre but not bad enough to fire, it becomes his problem, not yours. In our early years, we agreed to a large salary with a guy and at the end of the year he was doing about half of what he predicted he could do. He wasn't doing bad enough to fire, but he certainly wasn't supporting his higher salary the way he should have. In recent years, a couple of hires have asked that their higher salary be extended several months past the one year and we have done so because they were substantially meeting their goals. They will tend to work harder as they approach the lower salary figure much like the real estate agent who works harder when their listing is about to end. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Russ Peters Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 1:42 PM To: PrintOwners Subject: [PrintOwners] Salesperson Compensation Structire ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We're in the process of hiring an outside sales person and would like to know how others set up their compensation plans. This is new territory for us and we want to get all our numbers right before presenting it to him. He has been selling quick and small commercial printing (exactly our market) for 18 years. We've had three meetings with him and have determined that we have a good fit so the last piece of the puzzle is the compensation plan. How are others setting up their plans regarding base salary, commission on new business, commission on new business from existing customers (account penetration), commission on old business (nothing new from customer for x period), setting quotas/goals and so on. He needs a minimum income of mid 30's to meet his needs. Do we meet this need by setting his base pay at that point until he ramps up his sales and then lower the base? If we continue his base at that rate and then add in commissions as his sales build we end up paying a ton of money. Any advice would be helpfull, we're trying to get this all wrapped up today. Thanks in advance. -- Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From robin at protypeonline.com Fri Dec 7 15:27:23 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Fri Dec 7 15:27:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Naqp Members Message-ID: <8E00776B-C27E-496C-9AB8-EFABDEF216FA@protypeonline.com> Jim, I like your idea even better -- we all share what equipment we use and business ideas and strategies -- why not share our other experiences as well? I'm all for it -- what do others think? Now I need to go into my mac mail account and create a separate signature for just this list.....piece of cake? I hope! :) robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From james at ccwest.com Fri Dec 7 15:29:28 2007 From: james at ccwest.com (James Diorio) Date: Fri Dec 7 15:29:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Salesperson Compensation Structire In-Reply-To: <47595362.22052.B13B089@slb.inkspot.net> References: <47595362.22052.B13B089@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <992C0C6B-9826-4D7E-9AC1-D93CCB7EF355@ccwest.com> Or check out Dave Fellmans website and download his fantastic guide; Starting Smart Into Outside Sales http://davefellman.com/downloads.html And make sure if you get the opportunity to see him speak do so. He is great. (or buy something online from him!) James CC West Printing On Dec 7, 2007, at 1:06 PM, Steve Blatman wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Russ, > > I know this isn't quite what you asked, and I'm not qualified to > answer your question (I'm the only outside salesperson here), but... > > If I were in your position, I'd place a call to Dave Fellman, and pay > him for his advice. This is right in his area of expertise, and you'd > get the benefit of his experience with a variety of shops. > > JMO, > Steve > > >> >> We're in the process of hiring an outside sales person and would >> like to >> know how others set up their compensation plans. This is new >> territory >> for us and we want to get all our numbers right before presenting >> it to >> him. He has been selling quick and small commercial printing (exactly >> our market) for 18 years. We've had three meetings with him and have >> determined that we have a good fit so the last piece of the puzzle is >> the compensation plan. How are others setting up their plans >> regarding >> base salary, commission on new business, commission on new >> business from >> existing customers (account penetration), commission on old business >> (nothing new from customer for x period), setting quotas/goals and >> so on. >> >> He needs a minimum income of mid 30's to meet his needs. Do we >> meet this >> need by setting his base pay at that point until he ramps up his >> sales >> and then lower the base? If we continue his base at that rate and >> then >> add in commissions as his sales build we end up paying a ton of >> money. >> >> Any advice would be helpfull, we're trying to get this all wrapped >> up today. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> -- >> Russ Peters >> MOBILE PRINT, INC. >> 201 W. Central Road >> Mount Prospect, IL 60056 >> Phone: 847.398.6155 >> Fax: 847.398.0788 >> E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com >> W. www.Mobile-Print.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> __________ NOD32 2710 (20071207) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > --------------------------------------------- James Diorio 512-804-2299 www.ccwest.com From char at themasterspress.com Fri Dec 7 15:32:09 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Fri Dec 7 15:32:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Naqp Members In-Reply-To: <8E00776B-C27E-496C-9AB8-EFABDEF216FA@protypeonline.com> References: <8E00776B-C27E-496C-9AB8-EFABDEF216FA@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <011e01c83910$3dcb6920$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Maybe I am missing something here. Who cares what I belong to. I am proud of being a member of NAQP, chamber, toastmasters etc but do you really care? ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 2:27 PM To: printowners printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Naqp Members ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Jim, I like your idea even better -- we all share what equipment we use and business ideas and strategies -- why not share our other experiences as well? I'm all for it -- what do others think? Now I need to go into my mac mail account and create a separate signature for just this list.....piece of cake? I hope! :) robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From char at themasterspress.com Fri Dec 7 15:35:25 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Fri Dec 7 15:35:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] KM550 Question In-Reply-To: <20071207143138.0D158CD9005@rb.enter.net> References: <20071207143138.0D158CD9005@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <011f01c83910$b4b4b1e0$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Mike I have the 500 but know that the KM550 is the baby of the 6500. Same engine and machine but slowed down, with different software. I understand there are some considerable differences in the 6500 so I would put my money on it if you don't need the bigger unit. But I would compare the difference in the 5500 and the 6500 and make sure you are not underselling yourself for the capacity you could have. Just my opinion. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of MikeR Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 8:32 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] KM550 Question ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** This is my first post. I appreciate your help as we are going through our selection process. We are looking at upgrading from a KM500 to a KM550. The quality and performance on our 500 has not been great with cover stock. Our trial with the 550 has shown substantial improvements in both quality and performance with cover stock. My questions: 1) What has been the general experience with others that have the KM550? 2) Is anyone using a machine of this caliber to successfully produce color proofs for your offset press? Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From acepm2 at gmail.com Fri Dec 7 15:36:30 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Fri Dec 7 15:36:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Naqp Members In-Reply-To: <011e01c83910$3dcb6920$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <8E00776B-C27E-496C-9AB8-EFABDEF216FA@protypeonline.com> <011e01c83910$3dcb6920$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: Yes Char, I realy do! :) Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Dec 7, 2007 3:32 PM, Charlene Sims wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Maybe I am missing something here. Who cares what I belong to. I am > proud > of being a member of NAQP, chamber, toastmasters etc but do you really > care? > ch > > Charlene Sims > > The Master's Press, Inc > 14550 Midway Road > Dallas, Tx 75244 > 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 > char@themasterspress.com > www.themasterspress.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 2:27 PM > To: printowners printowners > Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Naqp Members > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Jim, > I like your idea even better -- we all share what equipment we use > and business ideas and strategies -- why not share our other > experiences as well? > I'm all for it -- what do others think? Now I need to go into my mac > mail account and create a separate signature for just this > list.....piece of cake? I hope! > :) > robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From jodib at blackfoot.net Fri Dec 7 15:49:11 2007 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Fri Dec 7 15:49:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Naqp Members References: <8E00776B-C27E-496C-9AB8-EFABDEF216FA@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <00e501c83912$a0c04990$0101a8c0@desktoppbl> I think this is a great idea to list our memberships / organizations we belong to. And yes, Robin, it is a piece of cake (on a mac) once you have your mac mail open, look for Preferences (should be in blue) above the magnifying bar. You can then make all kinds of choices And thanks for the great ideas that were submitted on the digital picture frames, we're going to get one put together to have at our booth at the Wedding Fair and then it can sit on the counter at work Extra gold stars for everyone! Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing Missoula, Montana jodib@blackfoot.net 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Niewold" To: "printowners printowners" Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 1:27 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Naqp Members > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Jim, > I like your idea even better -- we all share what equipment we use and > business ideas and strategies -- why not share our other experiences as > well? > I'm all for it -- what do others think? Now I need to go into my mac mail > account and create a separate signature for just this list.....piece of > cake? I hope! > :) > robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From jodib at blackfoot.net Fri Dec 7 15:50:27 2007 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Fri Dec 7 15:51:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Naqp Members References: <8E00776B-C27E-496C-9AB8-EFABDEF216FA@protypeonline.com><011e01c83910$3dcb6920$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <00ec01c83912$cd9cf7b0$0101a8c0@desktoppbl> and maybe not just for us, but our customers. It seems to make a difference (at least to some of my customers) that we belong to and attend Conferences for our industry............. Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing Missoula, Montana jodib@blackfoot.net 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thom Gulyas" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RE: Naqp Members > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Yes Char, I realy do! :) > > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > www.acepm.com > > > > > On Dec 7, 2007 3:32 PM, Charlene Sims wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Maybe I am missing something here. Who cares what I belong to. I am >> proud >> of being a member of NAQP, chamber, toastmasters etc but do you really >> care? >> ch >> >> Charlene Sims >> >> The Master's Press, Inc >> 14550 Midway Road >> Dallas, Tx 75244 >> 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 >> char@themasterspress.com >> www.themasterspress.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold >> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 2:27 PM >> To: printowners printowners >> Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Naqp Members >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Jim, >> I like your idea even better -- we all share what equipment we use >> and business ideas and strategies -- why not share our other >> experiences as well? >> I'm all for it -- what do others think? Now I need to go into my mac >> mail account and create a separate signature for just this >> list.....piece of cake? I hope! >> :) >> robin >> >> Robin Niewold >> Pro-Type Printing >> 130 N. Market Street >> Paxton, IL 60957 >> 217.379.4715 >> robin@protypeonline.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > > -- > Thom Gulyas > ACE Printing & Mailing > Berlin, Maryland 21811 > www.acepm.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Fri Dec 7 17:01:30 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Fri Dec 7 17:04:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] QP25 Message-ID: We just happen to have one.......I'll email you offline Larry Desert Pacific Tucson From: "David Galle" > Subject: [PrintOwners] AB Dick QP-25 To: "printowners" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Can anyone offer input on the AB Dick QP-25 press? How does it compare to the 9810 series? Any problems, strength's etc. Thanks in advance, Dave Galle Letter Suite Printing Tempe, AZ From kevin at abfprints.com Fri Dec 7 17:13:56 2007 From: kevin at abfprints.com (Kevin Danko) Date: Fri Dec 7 17:18:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How much vacation is to much? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <013f01c8391e$75c22900$1700a8c0@abf.local> I average 6-8 weeks per year. I usually take the entire month of July off and travel in our motorhome. Kevin Danko Advantage Business Forms 102 N. Riverside Ave. Rialto, CA 92376 Phone: (909) 875-7163 Fax: (909) 875-7971 www.abfprints.com E-Mail: kevin@abfprints.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Eric Mance Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 4:49 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] How much vacation is to much? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I'm curious, As owners, how much time do you take off a year? Not including working vacations such as going to a trade show and adding a couple of days to your visit but real vacations. Eric Mance Priority Press 132 Shaker Rd East Longmeadow, MA 01028 413-525-6111 413-525-2681 fax www.prioritypress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of bill@mauiprintworks.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 3:16 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] How much vacation is to much? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In my opinion that amount of paid time off is one reason that company would be having a hard time. Each employee needs to earn their time off just as hard as they earn their pay rate. Bill Marsh Maui Print Works Wailuku, Maui, Hawaii > > Now here comes my issue. I am looking at acquiring a shop that has 5 out of > 8 who are long term (16-22 year) workers they all have 4 weeks, one even > gets 5 (22 years) I know if I buy the place all the old rules are out the > door. I think I will cap them at my current 3 weeks. I got to believe this > will not over well, but they would likely be closing if I do not buy them. > For those of you who have bought others how did you handle accrued vacations > and other benefits? I watched one where an owner started every one at one > week and cut all benefits, in 6-9 months every key person had left. > > I want to keep them, but paying for a firm and then acquiring this type of > long term benefits seem a high cost. > > John M. Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company > 125-129 East First Street > Oswego, New York 13126 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kellycrom at gmail.com Fri Dec 7 17:28:44 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Fri Dec 7 17:28:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Salesperson Compensation Structire In-Reply-To: <47599410.8010308@mobile-print.com> References: <47599410.8010308@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: <00ed01c83920$89e8ef20$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Here is a formula we have used that may work. To get him started, we have a monthly base salary and an available draw amount. So, say you want to have his base at $1000/month, then give him a draw of $1500 ($2500/month=$30M/year). We keep the draw amount fixed for 3 months, and then reduce it monthly over a period of 12-18 months until there is no longer any draw. During the first 3 months the sales rep receives $0 commission on sales but the constant $2500(for this example). After 3rd month, the rep begins to earn commissions on their sales, and the draw is being reduced by a constant monthly amount(let's say $150 each month). So in the 4th month, he will have to earn $150 in commissions to keep his total wage/salary constant at $2500. Also, whenever his base+earned commissions is greater than his goal($2500), then the draw for that month = $0. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Russ Peters > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 12:42 PM > To: PrintOwners > Subject: [PrintOwners] Salesperson Compensation Structire > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We're in the process of hiring an outside sales person and > would like to > know how others set up their compensation plans. This is new > territory > for us and we want to get all our numbers right before > presenting it to > him. He has been selling quick and small commercial printing (exactly > our market) for 18 years. We've had three meetings with him and have > determined that we have a good fit so the last piece of the puzzle is > the compensation plan. How are others setting up their plans > regarding > base salary, commission on new business, commission on new > business from > existing customers (account penetration), commission on old business > (nothing new from customer for x period), setting > quotas/goals and so on. > > He needs a minimum income of mid 30's to meet his needs. Do > we meet this > need by setting his base pay at that point until he ramps up > his sales > and then lower the base? If we continue his base at that rate > and then > add in commissions as his sales build we end up paying a ton of money. > > Any advice would be helpfull, we're trying to get this all > wrapped up today. > > Thanks in advance. > > -- > Russ Peters > MOBILE PRINT, INC. > 201 W. Central Road > Mount Prospect, IL 60056 > Phone: 847.398.6155 > Fax: 847.398.0788 > E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com > W. www.Mobile-Print.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Fri Dec 7 17:28:25 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Fri Dec 7 17:30:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Direct Mail printing Message-ID: FYI....planning on continued growth in this area? Some good reasons are pointed out in the last few paragraphs found in this article. http://tinyurl.com/2zbdct Larry Desert Pacific Tucson From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri Dec 7 18:09:02 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri Dec 7 18:13:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How much vacation is to much? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200712072312.lB7NCiY1008953@i2bnetworks.com> I take 2-3 weeks a year, usually Maui is in there somewhere. I can't take much more than that (well..I CAN, but I choose not to) I'm too involved in business development/client relationships to leave for much longer. I don't consider Trade shows or NAQP/PIA conferences vacation. Although...sometimes there's Tequila's involved so I guess that must count for a partial vacation credit.... S. At 04:49 AM 12/7/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I'm curious, > >As owners, how much time do you take off a year? Not including >working vacations such as going to a trade show and adding a couple >of days to your visit but real vacations. > > > >Eric Mance >Priority Press >132 Shaker Rd >East Longmeadow, MA 01028 >413-525-6111 >413-525-2681 fax >www.prioritypress.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of bill@mauiprintworks.com >Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 3:16 AM >To: printowners@printweb.org >Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] How much vacation is to much? > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >In my opinion that amount of paid time off is one reason that company >would be having a hard time. Each employee needs to earn their time >off just as hard as they earn their pay rate. > >Bill Marsh >Maui Print Works >Wailuku, Maui, Hawaii > > > > > Now here comes my issue. I am looking at acquiring a shop that has 5 out of > > 8 who are long term (16-22 year) workers they all have 4 weeks, one even > > gets 5 (22 years) I know if I buy the place all the old rules are out the > > door. I think I will cap them at my current 3 weeks. I got to believe this > > will not over well, but they would likely be closing if I do not buy them. > > For those of you who have bought others how did you handle > accrued vacations > > and other benefits? I watched one where an owner started every one at one > > week and cut all benefits, in 6-9 months every key person had left. > > > > I want to keep them, but paying for a firm and then acquiring this type of > > long term benefits seem a high cost. > > > > John M. Henry > > Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company > > 125-129 East First Street > > Oswego, New York 13126 > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2709 (20071207) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From sgfinke at fuse.net Fri Dec 7 19:23:58 2007 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Fri Dec 7 19:25:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Naqp Members In-Reply-To: <011e01c83910$3dcb6920$0b01a8c0@CharXP> References: <8E00776B-C27E-496C-9AB8-EFABDEF216FA@protypeonline.com> <011e01c83910$3dcb6920$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Message-ID: <65A0E6DA-E9CC-4934-8A9B-EE763C1BACED@fuse.net> Just tell that one to anyone in the AIA! They pay good money just to be able to write "AIA" after their names. Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com On Dec 7, 2007, at 3:32 PM, Charlene Sims wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Maybe I am missing something here. Who cares what I belong to. I > am proud > of being a member of NAQP, chamber, toastmasters etc but do you > really care? > ch > > Charlene Sims > > The Master's Press, Inc > 14550 Midway Road > Dallas, Tx 75244 > 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 > char@themasterspress.com > www.themasterspress.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 2:27 PM > To: printowners printowners > Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: Naqp Members > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Jim, > I like your idea even better -- we all share what equipment we use > and business ideas and strategies -- why not share our other > experiences as well? > I'm all for it -- what do others think? Now I need to go into my mac > mail account and create a separate signature for just this > list.....piece of cake? I hope! > :) > robin > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From tim at schreurprinting.com Sat Dec 8 11:06:49 2007 From: tim at schreurprinting.com (Tim Schreur) Date: Sat Dec 8 11:06:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Direct Mail printing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Larry, This link did not work. Would you please try it again. Thanks, ----------- Tim Schreur President Schreur Printing - Since 1946 "Our tradition is excellence, our technology is state of art" P 616-392-4405 F 616-392-4296 w www.schreurprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: larry [mailto:eatnsleepgolf@msn.com] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 5:28 PM To: Printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Direct Mail printing FYI....planning on continued growth in this area? Some good reasons are pointed out in the last few paragraphs found in this article. http://tinyurl.com/2zbdct Larry Desert Pacific Tucson From championprinting at yahoo.com Sat Dec 8 11:20:10 2007 From: championprinting at yahoo.com (Ted Gelletly) Date: Sat Dec 8 11:20:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Direct Mail printing Message-ID: <76236.23893.qm@web38903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This one works (at least it did) http://tinyurl.com/2zbdct Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Tim Schreur To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2007 11:06:49 AM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Direct Mail printing ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Larry, This link did not work. Would you please try it again. Thanks, ----------- Tim Schreur President Schreur Printing - Since 1946 "Our tradition is excellence, our technology is state of art" P 616-392-4405 F 616-392-4296 w www.schreurprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: larry [mailto:eatnsleepgolf@msn.com] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 5:28 PM To: Printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Direct Mail printing FYI....planning on continued growth in this area? Some good reasons are pointed out in the last few paragraphs found in this article. http://tinyurl.com/2zbdct Larry Desert Pacific Tucson _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dominick at fmtc.com Sat Dec 8 15:11:50 2007 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Sat Dec 8 15:12:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] new way of thinking Message-ID: <475AFA86.5040804@fmtc.com> I need your opinion... Is it time for me to adopt a new way of thinking? I know all about "service" pricing. I offer a service no one else can do so I can charge my price. Some color copies go for $3 each.... But what about "commodity pricing"??? Wednesday I will move over to the dark side, and purchase a new Xbox 252. I have NEVER owned a Xerox because of my dislike for their Xerox Reproduction Centers that compete with fellow printers. But, local service is ALWAYS a key in purchases, as well as service pricing... Clicks have been quoted at 6 cent color and 1 cent black (one click 11 x 17) locked for 24 months, with a 5% raise locked for another 24 months.... This allows me great flexibility on pricing. For example, 300 each of 4, 8.5 x 11, (run on 11 x 17 of course) only costs me $55, (paper, clicks, computer time, cutting). CSR quoted the job at $180, (was thinking of the press since it was only one color - red) and customer was thrilled!, profit $125.00. (on our CLC I would have charged $600.00) Another example: 500 4/4 full bleed 8.5 x 11, on 28# laser bond. Run on 12 x 18, 2 up, total cost $110. Quoted to customer $500, profit $390.00. (again on our CLC I would have charged $750.00) One more just for discussion: 500 4/1 on 100# gloss Titan, customer furnished PDF. Paper cost of $58.00, plus computer time, clicks etc... total "cost" $100. BIlled out at $345.00. (CLC price $450) Customer again "thrilled with price"... Each of these jobs are typical for us. Am I thinking in the right direction? Am I being too cheep??? At this rate of pricing, I can pay off the machine in 12 short months. Which is 24 months shorter than what I normally calculate. I would like your opinion if I am thinking "wrong" as my brain is so full, being Mayor of the city and crap. The stress level has gotten almost past the manageable stage, and I appreciate your help. Press (copy) on.... Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! From k_graham at hotmail.com Sat Dec 8 18:42:46 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Sat Dec 8 18:45:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] new way of thinking References: <475AFA86.5040804@fmtc.com> Message-ID: Congratulation Joe; Do put a ruler on the copy glass and make sure they match to the copy length & width wise - both my 240 and 250 needed an adjustment of about 1/8" on 17" which is hell if you are doing cards 24 up or even 20 up with bleed as we do. Is it a Fiery or Creo RIP? > Is it time for me to adopt a new way of thinking? I know all about > "service" pricing. I offer a service no one else can do so I can charge my > price. Some color copies go for $3 each.... > > But what about "commodity pricing"??? > > Wednesday I will move over to the dark side, and purchase a new Xbox 252. > I have NEVER owned a Xerox because of my dislike for their Xerox > Reproduction Centers that compete with fellow printers. But, local service > is ALWAYS a key in purchases, as well as service pricing... We are a convert as well after suffering their arrogance many years ago - actually we let them trial units so we could turn them down - except one day we realized the trial was superior to the competitors. > > Clicks have been quoted at 6 cent color and 1 cent black (one click 11 x > 17) locked for 24 months, with a 5% raise locked for another 24 months.... > > This allows me great flexibility on pricing. For example, 300 each of 4, > 8.5 x 11, (run on 11 x 17 of course) only costs me $55, (paper, clicks, > computer time, cutting). CSR quoted the job at $180, (was thinking of the > press since it was only one color - red) and customer was thrilled!, > profit $125.00. (on our CLC I would have charged $600.00) I think a good practice - price for the press and then put it on the best suited device. I can't think of the last time we did a business card on press either black or color. > Another example: 500 4/4 full bleed 8.5 x 11, on 28# laser bond. Run on 12 > x 18, 2 up, total cost $110. Quoted to customer $500, profit $390.00. > (again on our CLC I would have charged $750.00) > > One more just for discussion: 500 4/1 on 100# gloss Titan, customer > furnished PDF. Paper cost of $58.00, plus computer time, clicks etc... > total "cost" $100. BIlled out at $345.00. (CLC price $450) Customer again > "thrilled with price"... > > Each of these jobs are typical for us. Am I thinking in the right > direction? Am I being too cheep??? It depends - is there a Staples in town? If so probably not - but get what you can because the other side of the coin is clients are going to eventually put these in and your going to have to go cheaper than the above prices, yet your costs are going to go up. If you can still get CLC price by all means do and let them be happy with the better quality of a consistant run throughout. Also remember your unit can duplex 80# coated 4/4 coated internally - but not if you specify coated stock - specify heavy1. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC Canada V1G 2G5 From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Sat Dec 8 21:11:39 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Sat Dec 8 21:14:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] QP 25 press review Message-ID: We have owned the QP25 for 5 1/2 years. I normally go into a real long dialogue with anecdotes and 'wow' stories about things I'm impressed with, but I'll let the manufacture's comments tell the story: I was wanting to do 4/color in house, and back then, many small printers were using the 3302's and later the 3304's....or whatever the 4/c version was called. After a year of ownership, I asked the AB Dick folks to compare the work from our QP 25 to their 4 color press offering. We sent samples to Chicago, long story short, they sent 2 reps out to our shop to see what was going on. They said if we were doing this level of work on the QP25, we wouldn't see any noticeable difference overall on their 2 or 4 color presses, other than it would be faster in one pass. They wanted to sell us the 4/c or even the 2/c, but those are the words they told me and the owner of the local ABD franchise. Too many things I don't remember that are different between it and a 9810, (the original question) but we passed on their 2 and 4 color models. Only thing I can remember is that it does have a unique register system compared to all their other 98XX models. And we can paint a sheet of 11 X 17 vellum Bristol in a spot color. Your operator's skill helps, too! Finally, I sent samples to 2 list members asking them the difference between our samples and their 4/c press samples. Honestly....they never got back to me (John M. and Jeff) They probably thought I was blowing smoke HTH... Larry eatnsleepgolf@msn.com Tucson From oren66 at sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 9 12:11:23 2007 From: oren66 at sbcglobal.net (Arie Teomi) Date: Sun Dec 9 12:11:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Country Club Dues In-Reply-To: <00a701c8375c$20807eb0$6501a8c0@Y765TJ> Message-ID: <916642.47326.qm@web83410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> How about giving them discount equals to the membership dues? --- Mitch Evans wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Tammie -- best you can do is make it an > entertainment expense which is 50% > deductible -- in the good old days you could write > off any upfront > initiation and all of the dues plus all other > expenses that were business > related. > > Mitch > > Mitch Evans > Mitch Evans Consulting & The Next Level Group > 168 E. Inlet Drive > Palm Beach, FL 33480 > 561-351-6950 phone > 561-845-7525 fax > www.mitchevansconsulting.com > www.the-nextlevelgroup.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf > Of Tammie at > Quickprinters > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 11:17 AM > To: Printowners List > Subject: [PrintOwners] Country Club Dues > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I just quoted a monthly newsletter for the country > club here in town. We > have considered joining the club before, but since > we live 22 miles away, we > have hesitated. > > The guy I'm working with on the quote said we are a > little higher than their > old printer, but if we would join, he could probably > talk the board into > going with us. > > I'm sure we could get a lot more business because of > this from other > members, and that would be the main reason we would > join. We are perfectly > happy with our golf course closer to home. > > OK, here is my main question: Is there any way this > membership can be a > business expense? > > Thanks, > Tammie > > > > Tammie Speer > ---------------------------------- > Tammie@MacombPrinter.com > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > QUICKPRINTERS & SIGNS EXPRESS > __________________________________ > 1120 East Jackson Street > Macomb, IL 61455 > 309.833.5250--fax 833.3123 > http://www.macombprinter.com > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: > http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Arie Teomi LASTING IMPRESSION DIRECT 23500 Mercantile Rd., Suite F Cleveland, OH 44122 P:216-464-1960 F:216-464-1660 www.LastingImpressionDirect.com Your Full Service PRINTING, COPYING and MAILING partner From smc at sorrentomesa.com Sun Dec 9 12:21:03 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Sun Dec 9 12:25:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] new way of thinking In-Reply-To: <475AFA86.5040804@fmtc.com> References: <475AFA86.5040804@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <200712091724.lB9HOkZ6009328@i2bnetworks.com> Yes, you are thinking in the totally wrong direction. Instead of concocting ways to determine how low you can go by calculating costs and then thinking about how little you can charge, think about the value you provide and what the market will bear and charge appropriately. This has absolutely nothing to do with your costs, and everything to do with maximizing your margins, and accelerating your ROI on this investment so you can start making money as fast and as much as possible. Pricing in the market has zero to do with your cost structure, and everything to do with how well you can sell the value your offer. Here's the way you should be thinking: Your clients are benefiting from your investment in technology and services that you bring to the table, they should pay for it. Also Joe, forget the "dark side thinking" and the "XBS" story because that is in the past and has nothing to do with and is not relevant to your making money today. If you would have charged $750 on the CLC and people bought it (the marketplace supported that price), then why or why would you not sell it again on the 250 for the same price and give them better quality. Why pay the machine off in 12 months, when you can pay it off in 6 or maybe even 4? Contrary to popular belief, digital color has pricing power, because of the benefit of speed and convenience. There are hundreds and thousands of printing companies that have gone belly up because of your "new way of thinking" Rmember, you're renting technology. Get paid for it. S. At 12:11 PM 12/8/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I need your opinion... > >Is it time for me to adopt a new way of thinking? I know all about >"service" pricing. I offer a service no one else can do so I can >charge my price. Some color copies go for $3 each.... > >But what about "commodity pricing"??? > >Wednesday I will move over to the dark side, and purchase a new Xbox >252. I have NEVER owned a Xerox because of my dislike for their >Xerox Reproduction Centers that compete with fellow printers. But, >local service is ALWAYS a key in purchases, as well as service pricing... > >Clicks have been quoted at 6 cent color and 1 cent black (one click >11 x 17) locked for 24 months, with a 5% raise locked for another 24 months.... > >This allows me great flexibility on pricing. For example, 300 each >of 4, 8.5 x 11, (run on 11 x 17 of course) only costs me $55, >(paper, clicks, computer time, cutting). CSR quoted the job at $180, >(was thinking of the press since it was only one color - red) and >customer was thrilled!, profit $125.00. (on our CLC I would have >charged $600.00) > >Another example: 500 4/4 full bleed 8.5 x 11, on 28# laser bond. Run >on 12 x 18, 2 up, total cost $110. Quoted to customer $500, profit >$390.00. (again on our CLC I would have charged $750.00) > >One more just for discussion: 500 4/1 on 100# gloss Titan, customer >furnished PDF. Paper cost of $58.00, plus computer time, clicks >etc... total "cost" $100. BIlled out at $345.00. (CLC price $450) >Customer again "thrilled with price"... > >Each of these jobs are typical for us. Am I thinking in the right >direction? Am I being too cheep??? > >At this rate of pricing, I can pay off the machine in 12 short >months. Which is 24 months shorter than what I normally calculate. > >I would like your opinion if I am thinking "wrong" as my brain is so >full, being Mayor of the city and crap. The stress level has gotten >almost past the manageable stage, and I appreciate your help. > >Press (copy) on.... > >Joe Dominick > >Dominick's Quality Printing >542 W. Idaho Avenue >Ontario Oregon 97914 >541.881.1121 >Fax 541.881.1599 > >www.dominicksprinting.com >dominick@fmtc.com > >Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider >Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2711 (20071207) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From craig at newhavenprint.com Sun Dec 9 22:07:56 2007 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Sun Dec 9 22:07:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] new way of thinking In-Reply-To: <200712091724.lB9HOkZ6009328@i2bnetworks.com> References: <475AFA86.5040804@fmtc.com> <200712091724.lB9HOkZ6009328@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: > > Yes, you are thinking in the totally wrong direction. > Instead of concocting ways to determine how low you can go by > calculating costs and then thinking about how little you can > charge, think about the value you provide and what the market will > bear and charge appropriately. > Pricing in the market has zero to do with your cost structure, and > everything to do with how well you can sell the value your offer. > Contrary to popular belief, digital color has pricing power, > because of the benefit of speed and convenience. > S. I'll have to agree with Scott. Digital pricing still has a MUCH higher profit margin than we're used to. I think this will come down as more and more people get "production" machines and can turn jobs quicker and more efficiently. Until that happens however, get what your market will bear. We have really been fortunate this past year selling digital jobs. Our owner's comp is higher than ever. Friday afternoon, I had a panicky customer call about a job they needed for Monday morning. 25 each of 32 11x17's and 25 each of 74 11x17's. 100# Gloss cover, collated/slip sheets. Piece of cake. Less than 3000 impressions. My total cost including stock and clicks around $300. Selling price $1,750. I even delivered the three cartons to the customer's house. No extra charge. Took a little over an hour to run yesterday morning while I was catching up on some billing. That's what's so wonderful about digital. Anybody can run it. I loaded up another set of jobs before I left and today my son and I stopped and unloaded/reloaded the iGen3. That little bit of time will produce more than $4000 worth of books ready to perfect bind Monday morning, and in reality I had zero labor costs to produce it since I'm not on the clock. I'm really focusing on selling more digital, variable data, PURL's, etc. now and next year. I think the time is right to really push this. Not sure how long the margins will hold up. Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 www.newhavenprint.com From kellycrom at gmail.com Mon Dec 10 01:18:32 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Mon Dec 10 01:20:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] new way of thinking In-Reply-To: <200712091724.lB9HOkZ6009328@i2bnetworks.com> References: <475AFA86.5040804@fmtc.com> <200712091724.lB9HOkZ6009328@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <016a01c83af4$7dba4610$6d01a8c0@KELLY> I have to agree with Scott. Your investment in the machine you chose was for increased quality for your customer, at a lower price with higher margins for you. If the quality to your customer increases, why should their price decrease? It always seems to me that serious customers are willing to pay at least as much as you are going to quote them, it's always just a matter of whether or not you could have made more, or how much you left on the table. If your customers were ok with paying the higher rates with the CLC copies, then keep charging the same prices(ok, on higher volume jobs, you can discount a little more), pay off your machine in an even faster timeframe, then look for your next company investment. Your customers are happy, they keep coming back, wanting more, and you will eventually want/need to increase your production even more. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:21 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] new way of thinking > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Yes, you are thinking in the totally wrong direction. > > Instead of concocting ways to determine how low you can go by > calculating costs and then thinking about how little you can charge, > think about the value you provide and what the market will bear and > charge appropriately. > > This has absolutely nothing to do with your costs, and everything to > do with maximizing your margins, and accelerating your ROI on this > investment so you can start making money as fast and as much > as possible. > > Pricing in the market has zero to do with your cost structure, and > everything to do with how well you can sell the value your offer. > > Here's the way you should be thinking: > > Your clients are benefiting from your investment in technology and > services that you bring to the table, they should pay for it. > > Also Joe, forget the "dark side thinking" and the "XBS" story because > that is in the past and has nothing to do with and is not relevant to > your making money today. > > If you would have charged $750 on the CLC and people bought it (the > marketplace supported that price), then why or why would you not sell > it again on the 250 for the same price and give them better quality. > > Why pay the machine off in 12 months, when you can pay it off in 6 or > maybe even 4? > > Contrary to popular belief, digital color has pricing power, because > of the benefit of speed and convenience. > > There are hundreds and thousands of printing companies that have gone > belly up because of your "new way of thinking" > > Rmember, you're renting technology. > > Get paid for it. > > S. > > > > > > At 12:11 PM 12/8/2007, you wrote: > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >I need your opinion... > > > >Is it time for me to adopt a new way of thinking? I know all about > >"service" pricing. I offer a service no one else can do so I can > >charge my price. Some color copies go for $3 each.... > > > >But what about "commodity pricing"??? > > > >Wednesday I will move over to the dark side, and purchase a new Xbox > >252. I have NEVER owned a Xerox because of my dislike for their > >Xerox Reproduction Centers that compete with fellow printers. But, > >local service is ALWAYS a key in purchases, as well as > service pricing... > > > >Clicks have been quoted at 6 cent color and 1 cent black (one click > >11 x 17) locked for 24 months, with a 5% raise locked for > another 24 months.... > > > >This allows me great flexibility on pricing. For example, 300 each > >of 4, 8.5 x 11, (run on 11 x 17 of course) only costs me $55, > >(paper, clicks, computer time, cutting). CSR quoted the job at $180, > >(was thinking of the press since it was only one color - red) and > >customer was thrilled!, profit $125.00. (on our CLC I would have > >charged $600.00) > > > >Another example: 500 4/4 full bleed 8.5 x 11, on 28# laser bond. Run > >on 12 x 18, 2 up, total cost $110. Quoted to customer $500, profit > >$390.00. (again on our CLC I would have charged $750.00) > > > >One more just for discussion: 500 4/1 on 100# gloss Titan, customer > >furnished PDF. Paper cost of $58.00, plus computer time, clicks > >etc... total "cost" $100. BIlled out at $345.00. (CLC price $450) > >Customer again "thrilled with price"... > > > >Each of these jobs are typical for us. Am I thinking in the right > >direction? Am I being too cheep??? > > > >At this rate of pricing, I can pay off the machine in 12 short > >months. Which is 24 months shorter than what I normally calculate. > > > >I would like your opinion if I am thinking "wrong" as my brain is so > >full, being Mayor of the city and crap. The stress level has gotten > >almost past the manageable stage, and I appreciate your help. > > > >Press (copy) on.... > > > >Joe Dominick > > > >Dominick's Quality Printing > >542 W. Idaho Avenue > >Ontario Oregon 97914 > >541.881.1121 > >Fax 541.881.1599 > > > >www.dominicksprinting.com > >dominick@fmtc.com > > > >Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider > >Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > >__________ NOD32 2711 (20071207) Information __________ > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >http://www.eset.com > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Scott Cappel > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > 7398 Trade Street > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > 858-527-0800 > 858-527-1740 FAX > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > Direct Links for Learning: > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From printian at gmail.com Mon Dec 10 04:49:46 2007 From: printian at gmail.com (Ian Franks) Date: Mon Dec 10 04:50:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] new way of thinking In-Reply-To: <016a01c83af4$7dba4610$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <475AFA86.5040804@fmtc.com> <200712091724.lB9HOkZ6009328@i2bnetworks.com> <016a01c83af4$7dba4610$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: Hi My 2cents worth. Joe is pricing based on the press and then running on the CLC. The running on the clc is based on what works for him either time or cost wise. That I contend is the correct way to look at this. It is the way I do it, I have even done lots of 500 f/c letterheads. The only thing is if there is a long rerun will the colours match if it is done on the press > At 12:11 PM 12/8/2007, you wrote: > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > >I need your opinion... > > > > > >Is it time for me to adopt a new way of thinking? I know all about > > >"service" pricing. I offer a service no one else can do so I can > > >charge my price. Some color copies go for $3 each.... > > > > > >But what about "commodity pricing"??? > > > > > >Wednesday I will move over to the dark side, and purchase a new Xbox > > >252. I have NEVER owned a Xerox because of my dislike for their > > >Xerox Reproduction Centers that compete with fellow printers. But, > > >local service is ALWAYS a key in purchases, as well as > > service pricing... > > > > > >Clicks have been quoted at 6 cent color and 1 cent black (one click > > >11 x 17) locked for 24 months, with a 5% raise locked for > > another 24 months.... > > > > > >This allows me great flexibility on pricing. For example, 300 each > > >of 4, 8.5 x 11, (run on 11 x 17 of course) only costs me $55, > > >(paper, clicks, computer time, cutting). CSR quoted the job at $180, > > >(was thinking of the press since it was only one color - red) and > > >customer was thrilled!, profit $125.00. (on our CLC I would have > > >charged $600.00) > > > > > >Another example: 500 4/4 full bleed 8.5 x 11, on 28# laser bond. Run > > >on 12 x 18, 2 up, total cost $110. Quoted to customer $500, profit > > >$390.00. (again on our CLC I would have charged $750.00) > > > > > >One more just for discussion: 500 4/1 on 100# gloss Titan, customer > > >furnished PDF. Paper cost of $58.00, plus computer time, clicks > > >etc... total "cost" $100. BIlled out at $345.00. (CLC price $450) > > >Customer again "thrilled with price"... > > > > > >Each of these jobs are typical for us. Am I thinking in the right > > >direction? Am I being too cheep??? > > > > > >At this rate of pricing, I can pay off the machine in 12 short > > >months. Which is 24 months shorter than what I normally calculate. > > > > > >I would like your opinion if I am thinking "wrong" as my brain is so > > >full, being Mayor of the city and crap. The stress level has gotten > > >almost past the manageable stage, and I appreciate your help. > > > > > >Press (copy) on.... > > > > > >Joe Dominick > > > > > >Dominick's Quality Printing > > >542 W. Idaho Avenue > > >Ontario Oregon 97914 > > >541.881.1121 > > >Fax 541.881.1599 > > > > > >www.dominicksprinting.com > > >dominick@fmtc.com > > > > > >Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider > > >Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! > > >_______________________________________________ > > >PrintOwners Discussion List > > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > >__________ NOD32 2711 (20071207) Information __________ > > > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > >http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > Scott Cappel > > > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > > 7398 Trade Street > > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > > 858-527-0800 > > 858-527-1740 FAX > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > > > LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > > > Direct Links for Learning: > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Regards Ian Franks Print Image 3 Corlett Drive, Illovo, JHB Ph 011 447 3133 Fax 011 447 0642 sales@printimage.co.za www.printimage.co.za From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Mon Dec 10 09:57:54 2007 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Wendt) Date: Mon Dec 10 09:58:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] spiral coil inserters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/7/07 8:54 AM, "Mark Lake" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I had posted quite some time ago that I had a Unicoil spiral coil inserter > and that they had gone out of business and I cannot find a rubber belt that > contacts the coil to drive it into the book. I'm looking at new inserters > and I've seen a different process where instead of a 1" belt driving the > coil, it uses about a 14" roller that is in contact with the entire length > of the coil as it is being inserted. Wonder if anyone can give me any > feedback with this process. Here is a picture of that type of machine. Hi Mark, We got parts for our UniCoil inserter from Southwest Plastic Binding in Missouri. Www.swplastics.com (I think that's right, but Google will get you right there). Cyndy -- Cyndy Wendt President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 From slb at inkspot.net Mon Dec 10 10:32:11 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon Dec 10 10:33:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] new way of thinking In-Reply-To: References: <016a01c83af4$7dba4610$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <475D15AB.26603.21A96B0@slb.inkspot.net> Sounds just right to me, except.... How do you do full color letterheads on a digital machine, without worrying what will happen to them in your customer's laser printer? I've never been comfortable playing the "who's fuser is hotter" game; how did you solve the problem? Steve > > Hi > My 2cents worth. Joe is pricing based on the press and then running on the > CLC. The running on the clc is based on what works for him either time or > cost wise. That I contend is the correct way to look at this. It is the way > I do it, I have even done lots of 500 f/c letterheads. > The only thing is if there is a long rerun will the colours match if it is > done on the press > > > > At 12:11 PM 12/8/2007, you wrote: > > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > > > >I need your opinion... > > > > > > > >Is it time for me to adopt a new way of thinking? I know all about > > > >"service" pricing. I offer a service no one else can do so I can > > > >charge my price. Some color copies go for $3 each.... > > > > > > > >But what about "commodity pricing"??? > > > > > > > >Wednesday I will move over to the dark side, and purchase a new Xbox > > > >252. I have NEVER owned a Xerox because of my dislike for their > > > >Xerox Reproduction Centers that compete with fellow printers. But, > > > >local service is ALWAYS a key in purchases, as well as > > > service pricing... > > > > > > > >Clicks have been quoted at 6 cent color and 1 cent black (one click > > > >11 x 17) locked for 24 months, with a 5% raise locked for > > > another 24 months.... > > > > > > > >This allows me great flexibility on pricing. For example, 300 each > > > >of 4, 8.5 x 11, (run on 11 x 17 of course) only costs me $55, > > > >(paper, clicks, computer time, cutting). CSR quoted the job at $180, > > > >(was thinking of the press since it was only one color - red) and > > > >customer was thrilled!, profit $125.00. (on our CLC I would have > > > >charged $600.00) > > > > > > > >Another example: 500 4/4 full bleed 8.5 x 11, on 28# laser bond. Run > > > >on 12 x 18, 2 up, total cost $110. Quoted to customer $500, profit > > > >$390.00. (again on our CLC I would have charged $750.00) > > > > > > > >One more just for discussion: 500 4/1 on 100# gloss Titan, customer > > > >furnished PDF. Paper cost of $58.00, plus computer time, clicks > > > >etc... total "cost" $100. BIlled out at $345.00. (CLC price $450) > > > >Customer again "thrilled with price"... > > > > > > > >Each of these jobs are typical for us. Am I thinking in the right > > > >direction? Am I being too cheep??? > > > > > > > >At this rate of pricing, I can pay off the machine in 12 short > > > >months. Which is 24 months shorter than what I normally calculate. > > > > > > > >I would like your opinion if I am thinking "wrong" as my brain is so > > > >full, being Mayor of the city and crap. The stress level has gotten > > > >almost past the manageable stage, and I appreciate your help. > > > > > > > >Press (copy) on.... > > > > > > > >Joe Dominick > > > > > > > >Dominick's Quality Printing > > > >542 W. Idaho Avenue > > > >Ontario Oregon 97914 > > > >541.881.1121 > > > >Fax 541.881.1599 > > > > > > > >www.dominicksprinting.com > > > >dominick@fmtc.com > > > > > > > >Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider > > > >Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >PrintOwners Discussion List > > > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > > > > >__________ NOD32 2711 (20071207) Information __________ > > > > > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > > >http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > > > Scott Cappel > > > > > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > > > 7398 Trade Street > > > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > > > 858-527-0800 > > > 858-527-1740 FAX > > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > > > > > LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > > > > > Direct Links for Learning: > > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > > > > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > > > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > > > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > > > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > > > > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > -- > Regards > Ian Franks > Print Image > 3 Corlett Drive, Illovo, JHB > Ph 011 447 3133 > Fax 011 447 0642 > sales@printimage.co.za > www.printimage.co.za > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2713 (20071210) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From armand at curryonline.com Mon Dec 10 10:32:47 2007 From: armand at curryonline.com (Armand Girard) Date: Mon Dec 10 10:33:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How much vacation is to much? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <066201c83b41$eaf16220$c0d42660$@com> I've owned this business for 15 years, if that factors in the equation. I used to take just a couple of weeks a year but now, after cultivating my manager and the entire staff, I take more time off. During the winter months (November through May) I take 2 weeks off each month and spend it in a warmer climate (our second home in Central Florida). Then, in the summer months I take about a week off each month while in Maine. My accountant (and business mentor) told me a long time ago that in the beginning I should work hard to eventually reach a goal of not working hard. He also made a very good point that the business will be worth more when I decide to sell it if I am not involved in the daily production of the business. I believe too many owners work too much in the business. Armand Girard Curry Printing & Mailing 31 Mill St Auburn, ME 04210 email: armand@curryonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Eric Mance Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 7:49 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] How much vacation is to much? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I'm curious, As owners, how much time do you take off a year? Not including working vacations such as going to a trade show and adding a couple of days to your visit but real vacations. Eric Mance Priority Press 132 Shaker Rd East Longmeadow, MA 01028 413-525-6111 413-525-2681 fax www.prioritypress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of bill@mauiprintworks.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 3:16 AM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] How much vacation is to much? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In my opinion that amount of paid time off is one reason that company would be having a hard time. Each employee needs to earn their time off just as hard as they earn their pay rate. Bill Marsh Maui Print Works Wailuku, Maui, Hawaii > > Now here comes my issue. I am looking at acquiring a shop that has 5 out of > 8 who are long term (16-22 year) workers they all have 4 weeks, one even > gets 5 (22 years) I know if I buy the place all the old rules are out the > door. I think I will cap them at my current 3 weeks. I got to believe this > will not over well, but they would likely be closing if I do not buy them. > For those of you who have bought others how did you handle accrued vacations > and other benefits? I watched one where an owner started every one at one > week and cut all benefits, in 6-9 months every key person had left. > > I want to keep them, but paying for a firm and then acquiring this type of > long term benefits seem a high cost. > > John M. Henry > Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company > 125-129 East First Street > Oswego, New York 13126 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From printian at gmail.com Mon Dec 10 11:01:22 2007 From: printian at gmail.com (Ian Franks) Date: Mon Dec 10 11:02:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] new way of thinking In-Reply-To: <475D15AB.26603.21A96B0@slb.inkspot.net> References: <016a01c83af4$7dba4610$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <475D15AB.26603.21A96B0@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: Steve I tried when a good customer just wanted 250 letterheads. I send out my full colour litho and knew the minimum charge would be R1000. Our cost was R160. So I figured price it on the litho print on digital the R160 would be a worthwhile cost to see if it worked. This customer is fussy but no comebacks so I just carried on. We normally do 5000 Lh 4/1 which I send out as that is much cheaper on the 4 colour litho. We use the KM C450 and this helps pay it off sooner. On 10/12/2007, Steve Blatman wrote: > > Sounds just right to me, except.... > > How do you do full color letterheads on a digital machine, without > worrying what will happen to them in your customer's laser printer? > I've never been comfortable playing the "who's fuser is hotter" game; > how did you solve the problem? > > Steve > > > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Regards Ian Franks Print Image 3 Corlett Drive, Illovo, JHB Ph 011 447 3133 Fax 011 447 0642 sales@printimage.co.za www.printimage.co.za From mail at myprinter.biz Mon Dec 10 11:05:07 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Mon Dec 10 11:08:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] new way of thinking In-Reply-To: <475D15AB.26603.21A96B0@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: "How do you do full color letterheads on a digital machine, without worrying what will happen to them in your customer's laser printer? I've never been comfortable playing the "who's fuser is hotter" game; how did you solve the problem?" Steve Steve - I've got the same concern and have no idea how to solve the problem, other than to ask about the final output devices or give a sample to the client to try, and even the latter doesn't mitigate the issue of possible temperature rise in laser printers as they're used during a run of whatevers. I pretty much won't print letterheads or envelopes on my "digital output device" without first confirming that they going to be run through an injet printer. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Steve Blatman Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 10:32 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] new way of thinking ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Sounds just right to me, except.... How do you do full color letterheads on a digital machine, without worrying what will happen to them in your customer's laser printer? I've never been comfortable playing the "who's fuser is hotter" game; how did you solve the problem? Steve > > Hi > My 2cents worth. Joe is pricing based on the press and then running on the > CLC. The running on the clc is based on what works for him either time or > cost wise. That I contend is the correct way to look at this. It is the way > I do it, I have even done lots of 500 f/c letterheads. > The only thing is if there is a long rerun will the colours match if it is > done on the press > > > > At 12:11 PM 12/8/2007, you wrote: > > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > > > >I need your opinion... > > > > > > > >Is it time for me to adopt a new way of thinking? I know all about > > > >"service" pricing. I offer a service no one else can do so I can > > > >charge my price. Some color copies go for $3 each.... > > > > > > > >But what about "commodity pricing"??? > > > > > > > >Wednesday I will move over to the dark side, and purchase a new Xbox > > > >252. I have NEVER owned a Xerox because of my dislike for their > > > >Xerox Reproduction Centers that compete with fellow printers. But, > > > >local service is ALWAYS a key in purchases, as well as > > > service pricing... > > > > > > > >Clicks have been quoted at 6 cent color and 1 cent black (one click > > > >11 x 17) locked for 24 months, with a 5% raise locked for > > > another 24 months.... > > > > > > > >This allows me great flexibility on pricing. For example, 300 each > > > >of 4, 8.5 x 11, (run on 11 x 17 of course) only costs me $55, > > > >(paper, clicks, computer time, cutting). CSR quoted the job at $180, > > > >(was thinking of the press since it was only one color - red) and > > > >customer was thrilled!, profit $125.00. (on our CLC I would have > > > >charged $600.00) > > > > > > > >Another example: 500 4/4 full bleed 8.5 x 11, on 28# laser bond. Run > > > >on 12 x 18, 2 up, total cost $110. Quoted to customer $500, profit > > > >$390.00. (again on our CLC I would have charged $750.00) > > > > > > > >One more just for discussion: 500 4/1 on 100# gloss Titan, customer > > > >furnished PDF. Paper cost of $58.00, plus computer time, clicks > > > >etc... total "cost" $100. BIlled out at $345.00. (CLC price $450) > > > >Customer again "thrilled with price"... > > > > > > > >Each of these jobs are typical for us. Am I thinking in the right > > > >direction? Am I being too cheep??? > > > > > > > >At this rate of pricing, I can pay off the machine in 12 short > > > >months. Which is 24 months shorter than what I normally calculate. > > > > > > > >I would like your opinion if I am thinking "wrong" as my brain is so > > > >full, being Mayor of the city and crap. The stress level has gotten > > > >almost past the manageable stage, and I appreciate your help. > > > > > > > >Press (copy) on.... > > > > > > > >Joe Dominick > > > > > > > >Dominick's Quality Printing > > > >542 W. Idaho Avenue > > > >Ontario Oregon 97914 > > > >541.881.1121 > > > >Fax 541.881.1599 > > > > > > > >www.dominicksprinting.com > > > >dominick@fmtc.com > > > > > > > >Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider > > > >Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >PrintOwners Discussion List > > > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > > > > >__________ NOD32 2711 (20071207) Information __________ > > > > > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > > >http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > > > Scott Cappel > > > > > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > > > 7398 Trade Street > > > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > > > 858-527-0800 > > > 858-527-1740 FAX > > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > > > > > LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > > > > > Direct Links for Learning: > > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > > > > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > > > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > > > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > > > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > > > > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > -- > Regards > Ian Franks > Print Image > 3 Corlett Drive, Illovo, JHB > Ph 011 447 3133 > Fax 011 447 0642 > sales@printimage.co.za > www.printimage.co.za > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2713 (20071210) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Mon Dec 10 12:53:39 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Mon Dec 10 12:54:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] New way of thinking and kill the BHR Message-ID: This is not exactly a new way of thinking. In 1984, we installed the first t head in Tucson. We were able to charge 2 passes for 2 color jobs. This lasted through 1988. We were adding value by doing the job in one day. It never ocurred to me to cut the price. Slowly but surely, as printers added t heads, the price came down using the famous BHR...budgeted hourly rate. Sure, it doesn't cost as much to do it in one pass, but why oh why do small printshops wish to be the low price leaders? We were enjoying 36% n/n/n on $1.25MM for 3 years running, before the BHR thinkers got ahold of the numbers. Jeeze. Anyway..... my rant is that in any industry I prefer to sell high priced products/services to 'wealthy' customers. Get yourself trained and equipped to do so. Don't wimp out on money issues that you learned from a CPA, a consultant, a relative or anyone who is afraid of 'making too much money'. It makes no sense to get trained and equipped and give stuff away. Do not be afraid to be the high price printer in your town. You are not ripping folks off. I can't tell you how many customers we have who are excited that there is actually a print shop in town who can do what they want. It's not about the price. I find printing to be substantially more difficult than plumbing. Yet, my plumbing friend is earning $550K on sales of $1.3MM. That is fairly standard in the plumbing industry. Yes, a plumbing company is on my shopping list. at least the owners are smart enough not to shoot themselves in the foot and sell on price. We can learn a thing or two from plumbers. Thanks and happy Monday!! From kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com Mon Dec 10 13:42:44 2007 From: kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com (Kirk Squiers) Date: Mon Dec 10 13:43:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How much vacation is to much? Message-ID: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111DBDE@fpserver.FP.local> Where Scott lives and works is like being on a vacation!! 80 and sunny everyday! Kirk K. Squiers Central Michigan Graphics 1200 E. Oakland Lansing, Michigan 48906 www.centralmichigangraphics.com 517-230-8600 kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 6:09 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] How much vacation is to much? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I take 2-3 weeks a year, usually Maui is in there somewhere. I can't take much more than that (well..I CAN, but I choose not to) I'm too involved in business development/client relationships to leave for much longer. I don't consider Trade shows or NAQP/PIA conferences vacation. Although...sometimes there's Tequila's involved so I guess that must count for a partial vacation credit.... S. At 04:49 AM 12/7/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I'm curious, > >As owners, how much time do you take off a year? Not including >working vacations such as going to a trade show and adding a couple >of days to your visit but real vacations. > > > >Eric Mance >Priority Press >132 Shaker Rd >East Longmeadow, MA 01028 >413-525-6111 >413-525-2681 fax >www.prioritypress.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of bill@mauiprintworks.com >Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 3:16 AM >To: printowners@printweb.org >Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] How much vacation is to much? > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >In my opinion that amount of paid time off is one reason that company >would be having a hard time. Each employee needs to earn their time >off just as hard as they earn their pay rate. > >Bill Marsh >Maui Print Works >Wailuku, Maui, Hawaii > > > > > Now here comes my issue. I am looking at acquiring a shop that has 5 out of > > 8 who are long term (16-22 year) workers they all have 4 weeks, one even > > gets 5 (22 years) I know if I buy the place all the old rules are out the > > door. I think I will cap them at my current 3 weeks. I got to believe this > > will not over well, but they would likely be closing if I do not buy them. > > For those of you who have bought others how did you handle > accrued vacations > > and other benefits? I watched one where an owner started every one at one > > week and cut all benefits, in 6-9 months every key person had left. > > > > I want to keep them, but paying for a firm and then acquiring this type of > > long term benefits seem a high cost. > > > > John M. Henry > > Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company > > 125-129 East First Street > > Oswego, New York 13126 > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2709 (20071207) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com Mon Dec 10 13:44:50 2007 From: kirk at centralmichigangraphics.com (Kirk Squiers) Date: Mon Dec 10 13:45:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ping Pong Message-ID: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111DBDF@fpserver.FP.local> O.K. Brainiac's I have a HUGE client that will think I am awesome if I can get his logo and phone number printed on Ping Pong Balls! O.K. list let's here it??????? Kirk K. Squiers Central Michigan Graphics 1200 E. Oakland Lansing, Michigan 48906 www.centralmichigangraphics.com 517-230-8600 kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ted Gelletly Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:20 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Direct Mail printing ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** This one works (at least it did) http://tinyurl.com/2zbdct Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Tim Schreur To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2007 11:06:49 AM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Direct Mail printing ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Larry, This link did not work. Would you please try it again. Thanks, ----------- Tim Schreur President Schreur Printing - Since 1946 "Our tradition is excellence, our technology is state of art" P 616-392-4405 F 616-392-4296 w www.schreurprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: larry [mailto:eatnsleepgolf@msn.com] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 5:28 PM To: Printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Direct Mail printing FYI....planning on continued growth in this area? Some good reasons are pointed out in the last few paragraphs found in this article. http://tinyurl.com/2zbdct Larry Desert Pacific Tucson _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From slb at inkspot.net Mon Dec 10 13:48:08 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon Dec 10 13:49:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] new way of thinking In-Reply-To: References: <475D15AB.26603.21A96B0@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <475D4398.12779.37805C@slb.inkspot.net> Dan, I've thought of taking that approach, but what do you do when the customer gets a new office printer, doesn't tell you, and then complains that your letterhead melted all over his fuser roller? We've printed notepads on the digital, but, except for one customer who I trust to understand the issue, I've never had the chutzpah to take the risk... Steve > > Steve - > > I've got the same concern and have no idea how to solve the problem, other > than to ask about the final output devices or give a sample to the client to > try, and even the latter doesn't mitigate the issue of possible temperature > rise in laser printers as they're used during a run of whatevers. > > I pretty much won't print letterheads or envelopes on my "digital output > device" without first confirming that they going to be run through an injet > printer. > > Dan > Sir Speedy Printing Center > 5845 Hollywood Boulevard > Hollywood, FL 33021 > tel. 954.962.1309 > fax 954.962.1366 > dan@myprinter.biz > www.myprinter.biz > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Steve Blatman > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 10:32 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] new way of thinking > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Sounds just right to me, except.... > > How do you do full color letterheads on a digital machine, without > worrying what will happen to them in your customer's laser printer? > I've never been comfortable playing the "who's fuser is hotter" game; > how did you solve the problem? > > Steve > > > > > > Hi > > My 2cents worth. Joe is pricing based on the press and then running on > the > > CLC. The running on the clc is based on what works for him either time or > > cost wise. That I contend is the correct way to look at this. It is the > way > > I do it, I have even done lots of 500 f/c letterheads. > > The only thing is if there is a long rerun will the colours match if it is > > done on the press > > > > > > > At 12:11 PM 12/8/2007, you wrote: > > > > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > > > > > >I need your opinion... > > > > > > > > > >Is it time for me to adopt a new way of thinking? I know all about > > > > >"service" pricing. I offer a service no one else can do so I can > > > > >charge my price. Some color copies go for $3 each.... > > > > > > > > > >But what about "commodity pricing"??? > > > > > > > > > >Wednesday I will move over to the dark side, and purchase a new Xbox > > > > >252. I have NEVER owned a Xerox because of my dislike for their > > > > >Xerox Reproduction Centers that compete with fellow printers. But, > > > > >local service is ALWAYS a key in purchases, as well as > > > > service pricing... > > > > > > > > > >Clicks have been quoted at 6 cent color and 1 cent black (one click > > > > >11 x 17) locked for 24 months, with a 5% raise locked for > > > > another 24 months.... > > > > > > > > > >This allows me great flexibility on pricing. For example, 300 each > > > > >of 4, 8.5 x 11, (run on 11 x 17 of course) only costs me $55, > > > > >(paper, clicks, computer time, cutting). CSR quoted the job at $180, > > > > >(was thinking of the press since it was only one color - red) and > > > > >customer was thrilled!, profit $125.00. (on our CLC I would have > > > > >charged $600.00) > > > > > > > > > >Another example: 500 4/4 full bleed 8.5 x 11, on 28# laser bond. Run > > > > >on 12 x 18, 2 up, total cost $110. Quoted to customer $500, profit > > > > >$390.00. (again on our CLC I would have charged $750.00) > > > > > > > > > >One more just for discussion: 500 4/1 on 100# gloss Titan, customer > > > > >furnished PDF. Paper cost of $58.00, plus computer time, clicks > > > > >etc... total "cost" $100. BIlled out at $345.00. (CLC price $450) > > > > >Customer again "thrilled with price"... > > > > > > > > > >Each of these jobs are typical for us. Am I thinking in the right > > > > >direction? Am I being too cheep??? > > > > > > > > > >At this rate of pricing, I can pay off the machine in 12 short > > > > >months. Which is 24 months shorter than what I normally calculate. > > > > > > > > > >I would like your opinion if I am thinking "wrong" as my brain is so > > > > >full, being Mayor of the city and crap. The stress level has gotten > > > > >almost past the manageable stage, and I appreciate your help. > > > > > > > > > >Press (copy) on.... > > > > > > > > > >Joe Dominick > > > > > > > > > >Dominick's Quality Printing > > > > >542 W. Idaho Avenue > > > > >Ontario Oregon 97914 > > > > >541.881.1121 > > > > >Fax 541.881.1599 > > > > > > > > > >www.dominicksprinting.com > > > > >dominick@fmtc.com > > > > > > > > > >Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider > > > > >Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > > >PrintOwners Discussion List > > > > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > > > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________ NOD32 2711 (20071207) Information __________ > > > > > > > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > > > >http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Scott Cappel > > > > > > > > Sorrento Mesa Printing > > > > 7398 Trade Street > > > > San Diego, CA 92121-2422 > > > > 858-527-0800 > > > > 858-527-1740 FAX > > > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com > > > > > > > > LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa > > > > > > > > Direct Links for Learning: > > > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html > > > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html > > > > http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html > > > > > > > > Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider > > > > Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider > > > > Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level > > > > Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider > > > > > > > > Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards > > Ian Franks > > Print Image > > 3 Corlett Drive, Illovo, JHB > > Ph 011 447 3133 > > Fax 011 447 0642 > > sales@printimage.co.za > > www.printimage.co.za > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 2713 (20071210) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2713 (20071210) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From bob at rjmprinting.com Mon Dec 10 13:50:40 2007 From: bob at rjmprinting.com (Bob Molacek) Date: Mon Dec 10 13:51:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ping Pong In-Reply-To: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111DBDF@fpserver.FP.local> Message-ID: >From google: http://www.wadayaneed.com/pingpongballscustomimprintedpromotionallogo.htm Bob Molacek Sir Speedy Printing 7793 Ranchers Road Fridley, MN 55432 763-571-4608 bob@rjmprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kirk Squiers Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 12:45 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Ping Pong ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** O.K. Brainiac's I have a HUGE client that will think I am awesome if I can get his logo and phone number printed on Ping Pong Balls! O.K. list let's here it??????? Kirk K. Squiers Central Michigan Graphics 1200 E. Oakland Lansing, Michigan 48906 www.centralmichigangraphics.com 517-230-8600 kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ted Gelletly Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:20 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Direct Mail printing ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** This one works (at least it did) http://tinyurl.com/2zbdct Ted Gelletly Champion Printing 5401 New Expansion Drive Eldersburg MD 21784 410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 ted@championprintingonline.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Tim Schreur To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2007 11:06:49 AM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Direct Mail printing ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Larry, This link did not work. Would you please try it again. Thanks, ----------- Tim Schreur President Schreur Printing - Since 1946 "Our tradition is excellence, our technology is state of art" P 616-392-4405 F 616-392-4296 w www.schreurprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: larry [mailto:eatnsleepgolf@msn.com] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 5:28 PM To: Printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Direct Mail printing FYI....planning on continued growth in this area? Some good reasons are pointed out in the last few paragraphs found in this article. http://tinyurl.com/2zbdct Larry Desert Pacific Tucson _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From printian at gmail.com Mon Dec 10 14:08:57 2007 From: printian at gmail.com (Ian Franks) Date: Mon Dec 10 14:09:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] new way of thinking In-Reply-To: <475D4398.12779.37805C@slb.inkspot.net> References: <475D15AB.26603.21A96B0@slb.inkspot.net> <475D4398.12779.37805C@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: Has anyone had the toner remelt from the "newer" crop of colour copiers. I know that this happened on our CLC 800 but not yet on the KM C450. We should all try the combos and list the ones that don't work. Anyone want to start. On 10/12/2007, Steve Blatman wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Dan, > > I've thought of taking that approach, but what do you do when the > customer gets a new office printer, doesn't tell you, and then > complains that your letterhead melted all over his fuser roller? > We've printed notepads on the digital, but, except for one customer > who I trust to understand the issue, I've never had the chutzpah to > take the risk... > > Steve > > > -- Regards Ian Franks Print Image 3 Corlett Drive, Illovo, JHB Ph 011 447 3133 Fax 011 447 0642 sales@printimage.co.za www.printimage.co.za From andy at CedarBusinessCenter.com Mon Dec 10 14:35:42 2007 From: andy at CedarBusinessCenter.com (Andy Flamm) Date: Mon Dec 10 14:36:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Converting Excel Addresses to Delimited Format Message-ID: We received an Excel file with addresses in label format (name, address, city stacked in cells A1, B1, C1, another name in A2, B2, C2, etc.). Is there a way to convert the file to a delimited text file? We just need to print the addresses onto envelopes; can we do that as it is set up now? Thanks. Andy Flamm -- Cedar Business Center--Printing, Mailing & More Since 1983 345 Cedar Street, Suite 256 Saint Paul, Minnesota 55101 651-293-3904 voice 651-293-3905 fax andy@CedarBusinessCenter.com www.CedarBusinessCenter.com From slb at inkspot.net Mon Dec 10 14:44:15 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon Dec 10 14:44:32 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] new way of thinking In-Reply-To: References: <475D4398.12779.37805C@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <475D50BF.16816.6AE015@slb.inkspot.net> Ian, While this would be interesting, it would not guarantee avoidance of problems with customers. Regardless of the anectodal information you collect, you'd have to be able to guarantee that the toner in a particular production printer would only melt at a temperature higher than ANY printer that a customer might be using. Actually, since most office printers use print-engines from a limited number of manufacturers, this might actually be something we could derive from the specifications of those print-engines. Hmmmm.... Steve > > Has anyone had the toner remelt from the "newer" crop of colour copiers. I > know that this happened on our CLC 800 but not yet on the KM C450. We should > all try the combos and list the ones that don't work. > Anyone want to start. > > > On 10/12/2007, Steve Blatman wrote: > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Dan, > > > > I've thought of taking that approach, but what do you do when the > > customer gets a new office printer, doesn't tell you, and then > > complains that your letterhead melted all over his fuser roller? > > We've printed notepads on the digital, but, except for one customer > > who I trust to understand the issue, I've never had the chutzpah to > > take the risk... > > > > Steve > > > > > > > -- > Regards > Ian Franks > Print Image > 3 Corlett Drive, Illovo, JHB > Ph 011 447 3133 > Fax 011 447 0642 > sales@printimage.co.za > www.printimage.co.za > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2713 (20071210) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From slb at inkspot.net Mon Dec 10 14:48:28 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Mon Dec 10 14:48:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Converting Excel Addresses to Delimited Format In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <475D51BC.15172.6EBDD3@slb.inkspot.net> If each address is in one row, with name, address, etc. in successive columns, you should be able to save the Excel file as a csv (comma delimited) file. That's usually the way we get lists to process or print. If each address is in three successive rows in the same column, then you have to get fancier. It wouldn't be too hard to do it as a couple of macros in Word or Wordperfect, but it wouldn't be a matter of simply saving the file as a csv. HTH, Steve > > We received an Excel file with addresses in label format (name, address, > city stacked in cells A1, B1, C1, another name in A2, B2, C2, etc.). Is > there a way to convert the file to a delimited text file? We just need to > print the addresses onto envelopes; can we do that as it is set up now? > Thanks. > > Andy Flamm > > -- > Cedar Business Center--Printing, Mailing & More Since 1983 > 345 Cedar Street, Suite 256 > Saint Paul, Minnesota 55101 > > 651-293-3904 voice > 651-293-3905 fax > > andy@CedarBusinessCenter.com > www.CedarBusinessCenter.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2713 (20071210) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From stalprint at charter.net Mon Dec 10 14:52:04 2007 From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings) Date: Mon Dec 10 14:52:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Ping Pong In-Reply-To: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111DBDF@fpserver.FP.local> References: <5251CFF745ED1F4786517DE164D258B111DBDF@fpserver.FP.local> Message-ID: <475D98E4.3050509@charter.net> http://www.jornik.com/cat/prod_detail.asp?nav=cat&prod_id=64 Kirk Squiers wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >O.K. Brainiac's I have a HUGE client that will think I am awesome if I >can get his logo and phone number printed on Ping Pong Balls! O.K. list >let's here it??????? > >Kirk K. Squiers >Central Michigan Graphics >1200 E. Oakland >Lansing, Michigan 48906 >www.centralmichigangraphics.com >517-230-8600 >kirk@centralmichigangraphics.com > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ted Gelletly >Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:20 AM >To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Direct Mail printing > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >This one works (at least it did) > >http://tinyurl.com/2zbdct > >Ted Gelletly >Champion Printing >5401 New Expansion Drive >Eldersburg MD 21784 >410-795-6464 ext.4 Fax 410-795-6488 >ted@championprintingonline.com > > >----- Original Message ---- >From: Tim Schreur >To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > >Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2007 11:06:49 AM >Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Direct Mail printing > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Larry, >This link did not work. Would you please try it again. > >Thanks, >----------- >Tim Schreur >President >Schreur Printing - Since 1946 >"Our tradition is excellence, our technology is state of art" >P 616-392-4405 >F 616-392-4296 >w www.schreurprinting.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: larry [mailto:eatnsleepgolf@msn.com] >Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 5:28 PM >To: Printowners >Subject: [PrintOwners] Direct Mail printing > > > >FYI....planning on continued growth in this area? Some good reasons are >pointed out in the last few paragraphs found in this article. > > >http://tinyurl.com/2zbdct > >Larry >Desert Pacific >Tucson > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 1709 Walt Arney Road Lenoir, NC 28645 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net From k_graham at hotmail.com Mon Dec 10 15:20:44 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Mon Dec 10 15:23:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] subject change color letterheads on copiers References: <475D4398.12779.37805C@slb.inkspot.net> <475D50BF.16816.6AE015@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: We've simply tried copying on our black and white IR6000 as a first step. CLC to 2400 - doesn't work Doc 12 - doesn't work Ikon or Konica Minolta CPP500 - works Xerox Docucolor 240 - works Larger quantities are done on DI so it is only smaller quantities that we do this way & that with a warning. Also we use 24# Hammermill instead of regular 20#. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com Dawson Creek BC V1G 2G5 > > Ian, > > While this would be interesting, it would not guarantee avoidance of > problems with customers. Regardless of the anectodal information you > collect, you'd have to be able to guarantee that the toner in a > particular production printer would only melt at a temperature higher > than ANY printer that a customer might be using. > > Actually, since most office printers use print-engines from a limited > number of manufacturers, this might actually be something we could > derive from the specifications of those print-engines. Hmmmm.... > > Steve > > >> >> Has anyone had the toner remelt from the "newer" crop of colour copiers. >> I >> know that this happened on our CLC 800 but not yet on the KM C450. We >> should >> all try the combos and list the ones that don't work. >> Anyone want to start. >> >> >> On 10/12/2007, Steve Blatman wrote: >> > >> > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> > >> > Dan, >> > >> > I've thought of taking that approach, but what do you do when the >> > customer gets a new office printer, doesn't tell you, and then >> > complains that your letterhead melted all over his fuser roller? >> > We've printed notepads on the digital, but, except for one customer >> > who I trust to understand the issue, I've never had the chutzpah to >> > take the risk... >> > >> > Steve >> > >> > >> > >> -- >> Regards >> Ian Franks >> Print Image >> 3 Corlett Drive, Illovo, JHB >> Ph 011 447 3133 >> Fax 011 447 0642 >> sales@printimage.co.za >> www.printimage.co.za >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> __________ NOD32 2713 (20071210) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> > > Steve Blatman > Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. > 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA > Tel: 610-647-0776 > Fax: 610-647-4560 > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Mon Dec 10 15:23:06 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Mon Dec 10 15:24:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] new way of thinking In-Reply-To: References: <475D15AB.26603.21A96B0@slb.inkspot.net><475D4398.12779.37805C@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: I haven't done any studies, but my understanding is the the newer machines that do not use fuser oil run hotter than black & white machines which run hotter than the color machines that do use fuser oil. Taking that a step further, the desktop or slower black & white machines run fuser temps cooler than the bigger machines that we use. Having said that, I'm sure someone will now prove me wrong Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ian Franks Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 1:09 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] new way of thinking ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Has anyone had the toner remelt from the "newer" crop of colour copiers. I know that this happened on our CLC 800 but not yet on the KM C450. We should all try the combos and list the ones that don't work. Anyone want to start. On 10/12/2007, Steve Blatman wrote: > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Dan, > > I've thought of taking that approach, but what do you do when the > customer gets a new office printer, doesn't tell you, and then > complains that your letterhead melted all over his fuser roller? > We've printed notepads on the digital, but, except for one customer > who I trust to understand the issue, I've never had the chutzpah to > take the risk... > > Steve > > > -- Regards Ian Franks Print Image 3 Corlett Drive, Illovo, JHB Ph 011 447 3133 Fax 011 447 0642 sales@printimage.co.za www.printimage.co.za _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.08750 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.08750 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From bill at rapidpressct.com Mon Dec 10 15:38:19 2007 From: bill at rapidpressct.com (Bill Fishman) Date: Mon Dec 10 15:38:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] e-mail scam Message-ID: <256712.7353.qm@web703.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> We got an e-mail through our website from a Rev. Bill Green in Idaho. He wanted to order 57,000 flyers 8.5x11. He said to go ahead and print them and gave us a credit card # to charge it to. It seemed kinda suspicious, so we didn't move ahead with the order. He started e-mailing shipping instructions (ships to Ghana), which asked that we pay his shipping company (also in Ghana) directly and that he will reimburse us for the shipping with same credit card. At that point I realized that the guy was probably using a stolen credit card (the charges would eventually be reversed). The scam is to get the printing company to send payment to the shipping company in Ghana (which is probably Rev Bill Green's company). We never came close to printing the job, or sending payment to the shipping company, but we did have to return 30,000 sheets of 11x17 canary bond to Lindenmeyr Munroe! Bill Fishman Rapid Press 555 Summer Street Stamford CT 06901 tel 203-348-8884 fax 203-348-3363 From sos at olympus.net Mon Dec 10 15:43:06 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Dec 10 15:45:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] new way of thinking References: <475D15AB.26603.21A96B0@slb.inkspot.net><475D4398.12779.37805C@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <071101c83b6d$44dc2010$0300a8c0@DANIEL> > Has anyone had the toner remelt from the "newer" crop of colour copiers. I > know that this happened on our CLC 800 but not yet on the KM C450. We > should > all try the combos and list the ones that don't work. > Anyone want to start. ================== We had a customer bring in some 4 up post cards printed in black on the back themselves and wanted us to print the color side. We tried, but it remelted all over the place. I would just stay away from it if possible. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Mon Dec 10 16:08:42 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Mon Dec 10 16:10:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] e-mail scam In-Reply-To: <256712.7353.qm@web703.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <256712.7353.qm@web703.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bill, this same scam was just discussed here either last week or the week before. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bill Fishman Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 2:38 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] e-mail scam ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We got an e-mail through our website from a Rev. Bill Green in Idaho. He wanted to order 57,000 flyers 8.5x11. He said to go ahead and print them and gave us a credit card # to charge it to. It seemed kinda suspicious, so we didn't move ahead with the order. He started e-mailing shipping instructions (ships to Ghana), which asked that we pay his shipping company (also in Ghana) directly and that he will reimburse us for the shipping with same credit card. At that point I realized that the guy was probably using a stolen credit card (the charges would eventually be reversed). The scam is to get the printing company to send payment to the shipping company in Ghana (which is probably Rev Bill Green's company). We never came close to printing the job, or sending payment to the shipping company, but we did have to return 30,000 sheets of 11x17 canary bond to Lindenmeyr Munroe! Bill Fishman Rapid Press 555 Summer Street Stamford CT 06901 tel 203-348-8884 fax 203-348-3363 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.08750 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.08750 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From QKCONSULT at aol.com Mon Dec 10 16:14:27 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Mon Dec 10 16:14:48 2007 Subject: B.S. Re: [PrintOwners] New way of thinking and kill the BHR Message-ID: In a message dated 12/10/2007 12:55:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, eatnsleepgolf@msn.com writes: Yet, my plumbing friend is earning $550K on sales of $1.3MM. That is fairly standard in the plumbing industry. Wow, what B.S. To state that 42% profitability is "fairly standard" in the plumbing industry is absolutely ludicrous and without any foundation. Do you or your friend just make up numbers as you go, or do you have some solid references for the above profitability claims, other than what your friend has told you. You will not find anything close to that ratio in any plumbing industry publications of which I am aware. As usual I could be wrong, but I sure hate to see numbers and ratios like that so casually tossed around with no references. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. 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Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! From greg at ajprinting.com Mon Dec 10 16:33:53 2007 From: greg at ajprinting.com (Greg Johnston) Date: Mon Dec 10 16:34:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need to find Eugene M In-Reply-To: <475DAF01.4040000@fmtc.com> References: <475DAF01.4040000@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071210133209.035e97a8@ajprinting.com> He's in the BVI (British Virgin Islands) now I believe. zapit@zapcolor.com This is the e mail I have for Eugene. At 01:26 PM 12/10/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Sorry to use this forum to contact a fellow printer, but I have some >Mayor questions for Eugene M in California, and could not find his e-mail. > >Thanks for understanding... > >Eugene, would you please e-mail me off list, so I can send you some questions? > >Joe Dominick (for some reason the Mayor of Ontario...) "Anybody want >this job?" > >Dominick's Quality Printing >542 W. Idaho Avenue >Ontario Oregon 97914 >541.881.1121 >Fax 541.881.1599 > >www.dominicksprinting.com >dominick@fmtc.com > >Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider >Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners Greg Johnston AJ Printing & Graphics 1350 Central Ave #1 Santa Rosa CA 95401 707.525.8600 Fax 707.525.8923 www.ajprinting.com e-mail: greg@ajprinting.com Ask me about how I can help you build your business with our direct mailing services for your marketing needs Authorized Adobe Service Provider Quark Authorized Output Provider From chris at mmgraphicsandmail.com Mon Dec 10 16:35:04 2007 From: chris at mmgraphicsandmail.com (Chris Cochran) Date: Mon Dec 10 16:35:26 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need to find Eugene M In-Reply-To: <475DAF01.4040000@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <000001c83b74$8801e5d0$2e01a8c0@ChrisCochran> Try Zapit@zapcolor.com Chris Cochran M & M Graphics, Inc. "Our work makes you look better" Tel:704-376-0938 www.mmgraphicsandmail.com Print** Design** Mailing** Copy Services -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dominick's Printing Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 4:26 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Need to find Eugene M ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Sorry to use this forum to contact a fellow printer, but I have some Mayor questions for Eugene M in California, and could not find his e-mail. Thanks for understanding... Eugene, would you please e-mail me off list, so I can send you some questions? Joe Dominick (for some reason the Mayor of Ontario...) "Anybody want this job?" Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From stumarty at wrightprinting.com Mon Dec 10 16:51:29 2007 From: stumarty at wrightprinting.com (Stu) Date: Mon Dec 10 16:51:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] e-mail scam In-Reply-To: References: <256712.7353.qm@web703.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On or about 3:08 PM -0600 12/10/07, Mark Lake emailed the following: >Bill, this same scam was just discussed here either last week or the week >before. Actually, I think it was the week before the week before, last week. -just old stu- -- =============== SETTING IT WRIGHT: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - David Rice Atchison was the twelfth president of the United States. No, really! He really was...honest! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wright Printing Co. -- Central Illinois' biggest little print shop. 203 North St., Normal, IL 61761 309 452-4409 Fax 452-7422 Personal Mobile Phone: 309 826-1132 (Stu) mailto:stu@wrightprinting.com - http://www.wrightprinting.com From lbaribeau at paragon-print.com Mon Dec 10 17:39:47 2007 From: lbaribeau at paragon-print.com (Linda Baribeau) Date: Mon Dec 10 17:39:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What Are You Driving? Message-ID: <000801c83b7d$926a4d10$042967d3@kp4> Good Afternoon, Our 2000 GMC Delivery Van is limping badly. I do not wish to invest money in it and am looking to replace with a smaller vehicle. Any recommendations as to what to look at? Advice is appreciated. Linda Linda Baribeau Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc. 2041 West Mill Road Glendale, WI 53209 Ph. 414-332-2080 Fax 414-964-3299 From sos at olympus.net Mon Dec 10 17:53:27 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Mon Dec 10 17:55:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need to find Eugene M References: <475DAF01.4040000@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <074401c83b7f$7a558710$0300a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dominick's Printing" > Joe Dominick (for some reason the Mayor of Ontario...) "Anybody want this > job?" ======================= I kind of grew up in Politics. My dad was a county commissioner for 22 years. My Grandfather before him, my cousin was one for 12 years. I've been involved with the local political party, was chairman of the convention, delegate to state convention, precinct committeeman, and I know what a difficult job it can and usually is. I really respect Joe and Eugene mayors, City councilmen like Craig (I assume he got elected). How you can take on such civic responsibilities while running a print shop is beyond me. But good for you! If good people didn't step forward we'd be in trouble. Oh and zapit@zapcolor.com for Eugene Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From jgross at techiowa.com Mon Dec 10 17:55:37 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Mon Dec 10 17:56:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What Are You Driving? In-Reply-To: <000801c83b7d$926a4d10$042967d3@kp4> Message-ID: <000e01c83b7f$cbd63e40$1e00000a@tech.local> Been driving dodge vans and for the past 10 years caravans. They move from me to stores until they die around 150,000 miles. I like the new ones so one of my stores may get a nice one with 66,000 miles. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Linda Baribeau Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 4:40 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] What Are You Driving? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Good Afternoon, Our 2000 GMC Delivery Van is limping badly. I do not wish to invest money in it and am looking to replace with a smaller vehicle. Any recommendations as to what to look at? Advice is appreciated. Linda Linda Baribeau Paragon Printing & Graphics, Inc. 2041 West Mill Road Glendale, WI 53209 Ph. 414-332-2080 Fax 414-964-3299 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ahavens at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 10 18:24:10 2007 From: ahavens at sbcglobal.net (Havens Printing and Copy Shop) Date: Mon Dec 10 18:20:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Converting Excel Addresses to Delimited Format References: Message-ID: <00e501c83b83$c5793a30$0301a8c0@Leah> We use Publisher and do Mail Merge. Our files are Excel - some are comma delimited. Most programs that do "Mail Merge" should handle several kinds of files. Austin Havens, Owner Havens Printing & Copy Shop 200 N Main McPherson, KS 67460 620-241-5400 ahavens@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Flamm" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 1:35 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Converting Excel Addresses to Delimited Format > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We received an Excel file with addresses in label format (name, address, > city stacked in cells A1, B1, C1, another name in A2, B2, C2, etc.). Is > there a way to convert the file to a delimited text file? We just need to > print the addresses onto envelopes; can we do that as it is set up now? > Thanks. > > Andy Flamm > > -- > Cedar Business Center--Printing, Mailing & More Since 1983 > 345 Cedar Street, Suite 256 > Saint Paul, Minnesota 55101 > > 651-293-3904 voice > 651-293-3905 fax > > andy@CedarBusinessCenter.com > www.CedarBusinessCenter.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Mon Dec 10 18:45:57 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Mon Dec 10 18:46:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Converting Excel Addresses to Delimited Format In-Reply-To: <20071210202436.2588BCE6FCC@rb.enter.net> References: <20071210202436.2588BCE6FCC@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Converting to a simple delimited file will not do what I understand you to mean. I think you want a way of printing labels. Import into Microsloth's Word using the data merge function. (I'm not a fan of Microsoft's lack of programming smoothness or ergonomic interface, but Bill Gates has his uses :- ) Create a new Word document. Tools/Data Merge Manager/Main Document/Create Catalog/ Data Source/Get Data/Open Data Source/Merge Field/Drag and drop fields into Word document. Experiment with: Drag and drop fields into position. Drag and drop each field AFTER inserting the relevant fields 'If...Then...Else...' --- Because, in my version of MSWord for Mac OSX, these 'If...Then...Else...' fields are not easily visible on the screen's Word document and noticing such a condition field between data fields is well nigh impossible. You can insert many special functions and characters, such as a soft return, between the main data fields. Using this Word document, with all the data fields now in the correct vertical order, you will be able to make labels. It sounds complex, but done once it's easily remembered. > We received an Excel file with addresses in label format (name, > address, > city stacked in cells A1, B1, C1, another name in A2, B2, C2, etc.). Is > there a way to convert the file to a delimited text file? We just need > to > print the addresses onto envelopes; can we do that as it is set up now? > Thanks. Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From dennis.trump at gmail.com Mon Dec 10 20:58:16 2007 From: dennis.trump at gmail.com (Dennis Trump) Date: Mon Dec 10 20:58:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What Are You Driving? In-Reply-To: <000801c83b7d$926a4d10$042967d3@kp4> References: <000801c83b7d$926a4d10$042967d3@kp4> Message-ID: <41aa6a080712101758v62f60d6ds5a2e9db9c680adb8@mail.gmail.com> > Our 2000 GMC Delivery Van is limping badly. I do not wish to invest money in it and am looking to replace with a smaller vehicle. Any recommendations as to what to look at? Advice is appreciated. We just added a Chevy HHR to help out our aging 3/4 ton Dodge cargo van. It holds a lot and gets good gas mileage. Got less than a thousand miles on it now but so far we're very happy with it. You can buy them in a panel van version but we opted for one with seats and windows. Every seat but the drivers folds down flat so you still have a good deal of cargo space. I have a mock up of the graphics that we're putting on the windows if your interested. I can't attach them here but I could email it to you if your interested. -- Dennis Trump Trump Direct a print and direct mail communications company Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 From wayne at printingonline.com Mon Dec 10 22:08:41 2007 From: wayne at printingonline.com (Wayne Yada) Date: Mon Dec 10 22:09:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What Are You Driving? In-Reply-To: <41aa6a080712101758v62f60d6ds5a2e9db9c680adb8@mail.gmail.com> References: <000801c83b7d$926a4d10$042967d3@kp4> <41aa6a080712101758v62f60d6ds5a2e9db9c680adb8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <009e01c83ba3$22006b60$a600a8c0@Wayne> Besides a 2-year-old GMC van and a couple of similarly-aged pickups, we recently added a new Toyota Prius Hybrid for smaller pickup/deliveries. It replaced a PT Cruiser and thus far we are VERY pleased with it. Besides its spectacular mileage, its fold-down seats allow for nearly as much room as the PT. Wayne Yada, President Premier Color Graphics, Inc. 324 S. Santa Fe Ave. Visalia, CA 93292 559-625-8606 wayne@printingonline.com www.printingonline.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Trump Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 5:58 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] What Are You Driving? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > Our 2000 GMC Delivery Van is limping badly. I do not wish to invest money in it and am looking to replace with a smaller vehicle. Any recommendations as to what to look at? Advice is appreciated. We just added a Chevy HHR to help out our aging 3/4 ton Dodge cargo van. It holds a lot and gets good gas mileage. Got less than a thousand miles on it now but so far we're very happy with it. You can buy them in a panel van version but we opted for one with seats and windows. Every seat but the drivers folds down flat so you still have a good deal of cargo space. I have a mock up of the graphics that we're putting on the windows if your interested. I can't attach them here but I could email it to you if your interested. -- Dennis Trump Trump Direct a print and direct mail communications company Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From slb at inkspot.net Tue Dec 11 00:38:22 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Dec 11 00:38:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What Are You Driving? In-Reply-To: <009e01c83ba3$22006b60$a600a8c0@Wayne> References: <41aa6a080712101758v62f60d6ds5a2e9db9c680adb8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <475DDBFE.4817.B583D5@slb.inkspot.net> Our graphics guy drives a Prius. My attitudinal 18-year-old son refers to it as a "Pious." They're technically impressive cars, but I wonder about the "environmentally sensitive" claims. It seems to me that they've just traded the immediate burning of fossil fuel for the consumption of resources in the manufacture and disposal of the batteries. I'm sure the dynamic braking is a net savings of energy (which would otherwise be converted to heat in an ordinary braking system), but I'd think you'd lose the benefits over time if you didn't replace the batteries when needed. (Like the battery in your laptop, batteries lose their ability to hold a charge with use, and you'd probably only notice you were "past time" by monitoring your gas mileage.) It still has the advantage of standing out, not unlike the PT. How about posting pictures of the graphics on the "other" list? Steve > > Besides a 2-year-old GMC van and a couple of similarly-aged pickups, we > recently added a new Toyota Prius Hybrid for smaller pickup/deliveries. It > replaced a PT Cruiser and thus far we are VERY pleased with it. Besides its > spectacular mileage, its fold-down seats allow for nearly as much room as > the PT. > > Wayne Yada, President > Premier Color Graphics, Inc. > 324 S. Santa Fe Ave. > Visalia, CA 93292 > 559-625-8606 > > wayne@printingonline.com > www.printingonline.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Trump > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 5:58 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] What Are You Driving? > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Our 2000 GMC Delivery Van is limping badly. I do not wish to invest money > in it and am looking to replace with a smaller vehicle. Any recommendations > as to what to look at? Advice is appreciated. > > We just added a Chevy HHR to help out our aging 3/4 ton Dodge cargo > van. It holds a lot and gets good gas mileage. Got less than a > thousand miles on it now but so far we're very happy with it. You can > buy them in a panel van version but we opted for one with seats and > windows. Every seat but the drivers folds down flat so you still have > a good deal of cargo space. I have a mock up of the graphics that > we're putting on the windows if your interested. I can't attach them > here but I could email it to you if your interested. > > -- > Dennis Trump > Trump Direct > a print and direct mail communications company > Decatur IL > www.trumpdirect.com > trump@trumpdirect.com > 217.429.9001 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2714 (20071210) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Tue Dec 11 01:48:51 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Tue Dec 11 01:49:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Kill the BHR B.S. for John>>>> References: <20071210223931.429BDCE77FA@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Jeeze John, yeah, I just sit around making stuff up to post on this list. Here, just for you because you are so special, a tiny url to document everything I want to know about real world stuff in this matter, before I make a decision...and beware of whatever plumbing industry publications you may be reading. God only knows, they could be written by a plumbing industry 'expert'!! Go here to see plumbing companies: http://tinyurl.com/2d66qo Then, go here to see printing companies: http://tinyurl.com/yno29z Your witness...... Larry DPP Tucson Message: 4 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:14:27 EST From: QKCONSULT@aol.com Subject: B.S. Re: [PrintOwners] New way of thinking and kill the BHR To: printowners@printweb.org Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 12/10/2007 12:55:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, eatnsleepgolf@msn.com writes: Yet, my plumbing friend is earning $550K on sales of $1.3MM. That is fairly standard in the plumbing industry. Wow, what B.S. To state that 42% profitability is "fairly standard" in the plumbing industry is absolutely ludicrous and without any foundation. Do you or your friend just make up numbers as you go, or do you have some solid references for the above profitability claims, other than what your friend has told you. You will not find anything close to that ratio in any plumbing industry publications of which I am aware. As usual I could be wrong, but I sure hate to see numbers and ratios like that so casually tossed around with no references. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Tue Dec 11 03:42:01 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Tue Dec 11 03:42:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] We are at recess(ion) Message-ID: It's official: Arizona is in a recession according to the Univ. of Ariz. It probably started the 3rd qtr. of this year. It's expected to be moderate and 12-14 months long. But, if the US goes into recession, it could be as long as two years, according to the U of A report. I've noticed since 1981 that AZ goes into recessions about 6-8 months before national recessions, and emerges about 8 months before the rest of the nation. It is supposed to be moderate due to the fact that we have experienced growth of 2,000 people per month every month for the past 25 years, and that growth should help mitigate the recession....maybe.....sort of.......who knows? Depends on who gets elected, they don't allow recessions in an election year do they!? FWIW. LT From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Dec 11 06:48:29 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Dec 11 06:48:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Kill the BHR B.S. for John>>>> Message-ID: In a message dated 12/11/2007 1:50:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, eatnsleepgolf@msn.com writes: Go here to see plumbing companies: http://tinyurl.com/2d66qo Then, go here to see printing companies: http://tinyurl.com/yno29z I would love to and maybe it is a problem at my end but when I follow the instructions above (with or without the > above I get the following: Go here to see plumbing companies: http://tinyurl.com/2d66qo Then, go here to see printing companies: http://tinyurl.com/yno29z_http://tinyurl.com/yno29z_ (http://tinyurl.com/yno29z) Error: Unable to find site's URL to redirect to. Please check that the URL entered is correct. To learn more about TinyURL.com, please visit the _homepage_ (http://tinyurl.com/) . John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt and myself. **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Dec 11 07:07:46 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Dec 11 07:08:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Kill the BHR B.S. for John>>>> Message-ID: In a message dated 12/11/2007 1:50:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, eatnsleepgolf@msn.com writes: Jeeze John, yeah, I just sit around making stuff up to post on this list. Here, just for you because you are so special, a tiny url to document everything I want to know about real world stuff in this matter Maybe you are going to the wrong documents: Try the following... since I don't use Tiny URLs you will have to copy this one. In this document it shows average profitability in the 5-7%, pretty much what I would expect: _http://www.sbaer.uca.edu/profiles/industry_profiles/22.pdf_ (http://www.sbaer.uca.edu/profiles/industry_profiles/22.pdf) Check pages 6 & 8 of the PDF as numbered at the top of each page. Larry, since you make so much money, could you send me a check for $75 and I will purchase any one of a dozen on-line financial reports that will indicate about the same thing.... I will even let you choose which one to purchase. John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt and myself. **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From alewinter at datapalette.com Tue Dec 11 07:37:00 2007 From: alewinter at datapalette.com (Andrew LeWinter) Date: Tue Dec 11 07:30:36 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Converting Excel Addresses to Delimited Format References: <475D51BC.15172.6EBDD3@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <52B7742D52CD154CBF618DB0E39C2D5022DD1F@mail1.datapalette.local> Excel lets you convert columns to rows, or vice versa. Andrew LeWinter Data Palette Information Services 32-00 Skillman Avenue Long Island City, NY 11101 (718) 433-1060 x115 (718) 433-1074 Fax alewinter@datapalette.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 2:48 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Converting Excel Addresses to Delimited Format ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** If each address is in one row, with name, address, etc. in successive columns, you should be able to save the Excel file as a csv (comma delimited) file. That's usually the way we get lists to process or print. If each address is in three successive rows in the same column, then you have to get fancier. It wouldn't be too hard to do it as a couple of macros in Word or Wordperfect, but it wouldn't be a matter of simply saving the file as a csv. HTH, Steve > > We received an Excel file with addresses in label format (name, address, > city stacked in cells A1, B1, C1, another name in A2, B2, C2, etc.). Is > there a way to convert the file to a delimited text file? We just need to > print the addresses onto envelopes; can we do that as it is set up now? > Thanks. > > Andy Flamm > > -- > Cedar Business Center--Printing, Mailing & More Since 1983 > 345 Cedar Street, Suite 256 > Saint Paul, Minnesota 55101 > > 651-293-3904 voice > 651-293-3905 fax > > andy@CedarBusinessCenter.com > www.CedarBusinessCenter.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2713 (20071210) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Dec 11 07:53:02 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Dec 11 07:53:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Profitability claims for plumbing industry are bogus Message-ID: In a message dated 12/11/2007 6:50:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, QKCONSULT@aol.com writes: Go here to see plumbing companies: http://tinyurl.com/2d66qo Ok Larry, I went to the site... my fault since I copied the link as provided... I didn't have my glasses and included both <...> as well... You win. As far as the references, you are confusing claims of cash flow against profits, which are not the same. Note I said "claims" since BizBuy reports are just that. Plus, you seem to be referring to one single listing, rather than broader industry overviews. I challenge you to produce one industry report where you will find claims of even 30% let alone the 42% that you are relying upon based upon one listing in BizBuy. Your research efforts are pretty weak if you are relying on realtor type listings as reported in BizBuy. You do realize that depreciation is included in "cash flow" but is never, never included when referring to net profit. I can't believe you would not be willing to do some more serious research before making claims on behalf of an entire industry. We can use Industry Reports, financial reporting services or just about anything you want that is published by any organization with no vested interest in what they are reporting.... You find the report.... not a single listing or two from BizBuy or some casual claims by your best buddy the plumber. John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt and myself. **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From swiftyprinting at mac.com Tue Dec 11 08:18:00 2007 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Tue Dec 11 08:18:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe looking to get in on the online job submission Message-ID: <1FAFBD71-8474-419A-A34B-A6C70A260240@mac.com> I am sure many of you ASN people have received a survey from Adobe. FILL IT OUT. Adobe looks like it is looking to get input on creating an online job submission system. Yes I know they have had one, but it has been too expensive for most. However I am sure they are looking for a way to recoup development costs, especially since the Kinkos fiasco. If you are nervous that Adobe could use its strong position in the print industry then now is the time to list your comments on the survey. Adobe has the ability to link its software directly to an online system, create a printer referral system, control the market for ease of job submission. I am not saying this is a bad thing, but now is the time to speak up. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From ron at printingconcepts.com Tue Dec 11 09:07:24 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Tue Dec 11 09:00:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What are you driving Message-ID: We purchased a Sprinter, the tallish narrow looking van that UPS and FEDEX now have. We've had it about 3yrs and 105,000 miles. The configuration of this thing is incredible, I am 6'1" and can stand up in it. It drives almost like a car but has huge capacity. It is diesel and gets about 20mpg. The drivers love it. We like the diesel because we know we can probably get 250,000 miles out of it. When you run the numbers against a gas van, this is cheaper to operate although price was about $7K higher. Downside: has shown rust spots prematurely and our engine went at 50,000 miles but the engine was covered by the warranty. Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com From david.doost at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 09:25:12 2007 From: david.doost at gmail.com (David Doost) Date: Tue Dec 11 09:25:35 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe looking to get in on the online job submission In-Reply-To: <1FAFBD71-8474-419A-A34B-A6C70A260240@mac.com> References: <1FAFBD71-8474-419A-A34B-A6C70A260240@mac.com> Message-ID: <475e9dc9.0627360a.13d0.4b24@mx.google.com> Since it's almost year-end and New Year resolution time... As part of the Adobe survey Chuck spoke of- I think the list of questions Adobe presented (see below) can serve as a very good set of building blocks for creating or updating the old business plan. At least for any of us that plan on being around until 2015 & beyond! ;-) We are very interested in your vision of the future. Below are 13 open-ended questions that probe this topic. Please select the three questions of greatest importance to you, and identify the question number, along with your responses, below. 1. What do you believe the printer / communications professional of the year 2015 will be delivering? 2. What will your core business be? 3. What skills will you be required to develop? 4. How will the Internet play a role? 5. What tools and technologies will you be required to own, and have an expertise in? 6. What capabilities will be necessary to remain competitive, and to attract/retain clients? 7. How will design evolve and what will your role (or your company's role) be with design? 8. How will print evolve and what will your role (or your company's role) be? 9. How will you differentiate your business and services? 10. What is the environment that you will work within and how will it differ from today? 11. How will social responsibility / environmental responsibility influence your business? 12. What are the conditions and trends impacting your daily business? 13. How might Adobe play a stronger role in the future success of your business? David Doost Printing Impression 1200 Barrett Parkway Suite 4 Kennesaw, GA 30144 770-422-8766 www.printingimpression.net -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:18 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe looking to get in on the online job submission ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I am sure many of you ASN people have received a survey from Adobe. FILL IT OUT. Adobe looks like it is looking to get input on creating an online job submission system. Yes I know they have had one, but it has been too expensive for most. However I am sure they are looking for a way to recoup development costs, especially since the Kinkos fiasco. If you are nervous that Adobe could use its strong position in the print industry then now is the time to list your comments on the survey. Adobe has the ability to link its software directly to an online system, create a printer referral system, control the market for ease of job submission. I am not saying this is a bad thing, but now is the time to speak up. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From craig at newhavenprint.com Tue Dec 11 09:35:23 2007 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Tue Dec 11 09:33:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe looking to get in on the online job submission In-Reply-To: <1FAFBD71-8474-419A-A34B-A6C70A260240@mac.com> Message-ID: <20071211143304.008BDCE9EBA@rb.enter.net> > I am sure many of you ASN people have received a survey from Adobe. > FILL IT OUT. Adobe looks like it is looking to get input on > creating an online job submission system. Yes I know they > have had one, but it has been too expensive for most. However > I am sure they are looking for a way to recoup development > costs, especially since the Kinkos fiasco. > Chuck Pappas > Arlington Swifty Printing I filled it out, and after the survey, it goes to an Adobe advertising page. Much to my surprise, I see a headline that said "The One-Two Punch - New Haven Print & Copy Success Story". Pretty cool. But I don't remember receiving any royalty checks. hmmmm. http://www.adobe.com/studio/print/pdfs/newhavenprint_ss.pdf Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Tue Dec 11 10:10:57 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Tue Dec 11 10:11:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Kill the BHR B.S. for John>>>> In-Reply-To: <20071211064906.E8408CE8BD3@rb.enter.net> References: <20071211064906.E8408CE8BD3@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: Larry, I think you might be confusing advertised 'cash flow' on a website, or in a magazine article quoting unaudited accounting statements, with proven excess profits. Having reviewed well over fifteen companies for sale over the years, I can assure you that the promoted 'cash flow' has never been worth the asking price. If a business broker is involved in selling the prospective acquisition, the accuracy of 'cash flow' needs even more careful examination. May I suggest the following link. Solid research trumps speculative hearsay and plumbing companies or any small firm could be valued in similar fashion. But it's your decision whether to believe the advertiser or believe your own research of audited, documented, proven, excess profits. > Jeeze John, yeah, I just sit around making stuff up to post on this > list. Here, just for you because you are so special, a tiny url to > document everything I want to know about real world stuff in this > matter, before I make a decision...and beware of whatever plumbing > industry publications you may be reading. God only knows, they could > be written by a plumbing industry 'expert'!! Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From gamble at choiceonemail.com Tue Dec 11 10:16:47 2007 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Tue Dec 11 10:17:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What Are You Driving? In-Reply-To: <41aa6a080712101758v62f60d6ds5a2e9db9c680adb8@mail.gmail.com> References: <000801c83b7d$926a4d10$042967d3@kp4> <41aa6a080712101758v62f60d6ds5a2e9db9c680adb8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006f01c83c08$de8a0010$0301a8c0@RICK> We also added a Chevy HHR and went with the seat and window version also. I echo what Dennis said and add the way this car sits makes it a back saver when loading it as we replaced a Ford Escort (Focus) wagon. I find it fun to drive and lots of folks ask me about it. Anything to talk shop works for me...:) Hope this helps Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, Ny 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - Fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Trump Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:58 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] What Are You Driving? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > Our 2000 GMC Delivery Van is limping badly. I do not wish to invest money in it and am looking to replace with a smaller vehicle. Any recommendations as to what to look at? Advice is appreciated. We just added a Chevy HHR to help out our aging 3/4 ton Dodge cargo van. It holds a lot and gets good gas mileage. Got less than a thousand miles on it now but so far we're very happy with it. You can buy them in a panel van version but we opted for one with seats and windows. Every seat but the drivers folds down flat so you still have a good deal of cargo space. I have a mock up of the graphics that we're putting on the windows if your interested. I can't attach them here but I could email it to you if your interested. -- Dennis Trump Trump Direct a print and direct mail communications company Decatur IL www.trumpdirect.com trump@trumpdirect.com 217.429.9001 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Tue Dec 11 10:21:13 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Tue Dec 11 10:22:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Adobe looking to get in on the online job submission In-Reply-To: <20071211142537.C2163CE9E12@rb.enter.net> References: <20071211142537.C2163CE9E12@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: We're very happy with Pagepath's My Order Desk. I cannot imagine getting the same level of near instant service and help from Adobe that we get from PagePath. thanks, Chuck. I'll get to THIS survey now! > .....I am not saying this is a bad thing, but now is the time to speak > up..... > I am sure many of you ASN people have received a survey from Adobe. > FILL IT OUT. Adobe looks like it is looking to get input on creating > an online job submission system. Yes I know they have had one, but it > has been too expensive for most. However I am sure they are looking > for a way to recoup development costs, especially since the Kinkos > fiasco. If you are nervous that Adobe could use its strong position in > the print industry then now is the time to list your comments on the > survey. > > Adobe has the ability to link its software directly to an online > system, create a printer referral system, control the market for ease > of job submission. I am not saying this is a bad thing, but now is the > time to speak up. > > Chuck Pappas Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Dec 11 10:21:53 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Dec 11 10:22:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What Are You Driving? Message-ID: In a message dated 12/10/2007 8:59:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dennis.trump@gmail.com writes: > Our 2000 GMC Delivery Van is limping badly. I do not wish to invest money in it and am looking to replace with a smaller vehicle. Any recommendations as to what to look at? Advice is appreciated. I would consider a small plane... mileage is about 18 mph but gas costs $5 per gallon... of course, once you get to your destination you do have to rent or borrow a car... Powered hang-gliders might also work... consider how impressive it would be gliding into a customer's front parking lot... maybe dressed in a cape with your company's logo emblazoned on it... very impressive.... You just have to watch those power lines, antennas, tall signs, tall buildings or anything that might interrupt your final approach. Another thing to consider would be, especially for nearby deliveries, one of those jet-powered packs you wear on your back... these too are very impressive, but I think you only get 20 seconds or so of flight between refills at your local liquid hydrogen supplier. I will never forget flying my twin engine to Lakeland, FL to pick up a 1 lb can of ink... it really wasn't a rush job and we would have had the ink the next day, but being a big believer in customer service I convinced Mary that the only "practical" way to impress this customer was for me to fly over and pick up the ink that day. Imagine the surprise of the ink company when we asked them to drop off the ink at the local FBO at the airport. I once flew the president of Hamada from a seminar in Boston to one in Hartford, CT. He was a very trusting soul, and was not bothered at all when we almost landed at the wrong airport by mistake.... hey, things like that happen even to the big guys. I was cleared to land at the major airport in Hartford but my compass/DG didn't quite match the runway on which I had been cleared to land. I just dismissed that discrepancy due to a flaw in basic aircraft instruction. I reported on short final and the tower said they didn't have me in sight, and asked if possibly I was landing at the airport just on the other side of their airport.... sure enough, I raised the nose and saw the airport where I was supposed to land at. I called the tower and sheepishly asked them if I was the only guy who had ever mistaken the smaller airport for their airport and he said, "Yup, it happens all the time." I never let on to Tom Nishimura (Hamada President) that I was aimed at the wrong field.... I just told him I had simply gone down just to take a look... sort of sightseeing! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From sherwood at ctsbroadband.com Tue Dec 11 10:43:17 2007 From: sherwood at ctsbroadband.com (Bob Sherwood) Date: Tue Dec 11 10:43:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 4/0 printing Message-ID: <009101c83c0c$94387060$01fea8c0@cumberla1> Need 22000 8.5 x 11 or 11, 000 11 x17 4/0 - 60lb offset or 80lb coated in about 1 week. Anyone do this? Bob Sherwood Cumberland Printing P.O. Box 313 Monitcello, KY 42633 606-348-4517 From robin at protypeonline.com Tue Dec 11 11:43:12 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Tue Dec 11 11:43:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RE: What Are You Driving? Message-ID: <60D9A4E1-4AE7-4033-BCD3-497FDA4483C3@protypeonline.com> Linda, we used a mini cooper for 3.5 years and was able to put 12 full-sized cases of paper in it at one time -- had to use the seat next to the driver in front, but with back seats down --10 back there! And, it was very easy to put seats down and it was easy to slide boxes in and out. AND...it is a wonderful conversation piece when you make deliveries. UNfortunately, my location is so rural that at 80,000 miles, having to go to Chicago for any maintenance issues at all, was getting a bit problematic. I miss it soooo much! Merry Christmas! Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From sherwood at ctsbroadband.com Tue Dec 11 11:49:27 2007 From: sherwood at ctsbroadband.com (Bob Sherwood) Date: Tue Dec 11 11:49:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] TEst Message-ID: <00b201c83c15$d165d230$01fea8c0@cumberla1> Testing new email address From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Tue Dec 11 11:59:59 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Tue Dec 11 12:00:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 2 color pricing Message-ID: It's an apples to apples comparison between printing and plumbing on bizbuysell. If they all report the same info on their for sale listings, then plumbing comes out ahead. You realize printing firms also report depreciation..... I've signed NDA's for printing and plumbing firms, analyzed the documentation and tax returns. The firms in both industries who have a good set of books show numbers which are roughly the same as those in the listings. You should look at those documents, before assuming they are all false listings. The brokers I work with won't take a listing unless they have vetted it. It would be a waste of their time. And I don't get any unvetted reports from listings my broker sends me. I've noticed that alone is a big shift in the business broker industry over the past 3 years. This conversation started because of the BHR pricing scheme. And how it brought down the profitability of printing 2/color work in the 80's. I have not seen much talk about price in the 'plumbers' lists. On this printers list, it's never ending. Why the difference between the two? Just a rhetorical question...... Regards, Larry From npiprinting at verizon.net Tue Dec 11 12:02:44 2007 From: npiprinting at verizon.net (Steve Fairchild) Date: Tue Dec 11 12:03:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pocket map [Fwd: Quote for Folding Map] Message-ID: <475EC2B4.1090907@verizon.net> Would anyone of our associate printers like to quote on this folding job? It is too small for our equipment. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Quote for Folding Map Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:57:47 -0500 From: Janie Tasker To: Steve Fairchild Hello I would like to get a quote for a Map. Finished size: about 2 x 4-1/8, We would send you flat sheets 8-1/4 x 11, folded in half to(first fold) 4-1/8 x 11, Second fold 4-1/8 x 7, Third fold - 4-1/8 x 3-1/2 and Fourth fold - Finished size to 2 x 4-1/8. Please include shipping in your total price. Quanities need 2500, 5000, 10,000 -- Thanks, Janie Tasker, CSR Nicholas Printing, Inc. 1109 Broad Street Summersville, WV 26651 1-304-872-5906 - Phone 1-304-872-5923 - Fax www.nicholasprinting.com npicsr@verizon.net -- Thanks, Charles S. Fairchild, President Nicholas Printing, Inc. 1109 Broad Street Summersville, WV 26651 1-304-872-5906 - Phone 1-304-872-5923 - Fax npiprinting@verizon.net www.nicholasprinting.com From stalprint at charter.net Tue Dec 11 12:06:48 2007 From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings) Date: Tue Dec 11 12:07:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pocket map [Fwd: Quote for Folding Map] In-Reply-To: <475EC2B4.1090907@verizon.net> References: <475EC2B4.1090907@verizon.net> Message-ID: <475EC3A8.3020101@charter.net> Try http://www.pharmagraphics.com/ Steve Fairchild wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Would anyone of our associate printers like to quote on this folding > job? It is too small for our equipment. > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Quote for Folding Map > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:57:47 -0500 > From: Janie Tasker > To: Steve Fairchild > > > > Hello > I would like to get a quote for a Map. Finished size: about 2 x 4-1/8, > We would send you flat sheets 8-1/4 x 11, folded in half to(first > fold) 4-1/8 x 11, Second fold 4-1/8 x 7, Third fold - 4-1/8 x 3-1/2 > and Fourth fold - Finished size to 2 x 4-1/8. Please include > shipping in your total price. Quanities need 2500, 5000, 10,000 > -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 1709 Walt Arney Road Lenoir, NC 28645 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Dec 11 12:27:27 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Dec 11 12:27:40 2007 Subject: Vetting Financials??? Re: [PrintOwners] 2 color pricing Message-ID: In a message dated 12/11/2007 12:02:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, eatnsleepgolf@msn.com writes: The brokers I work with won't take a listing unless they have vetted it. Hell, most business brokers, like most real estate brokers, wouldn't know what "vetted" means. Brokers always represent the seller and will often distort or manipulate the figures to indicate that both profits and cash flow are better than they really are. Larry, the real facts are that there are few industries and very, very few businesses where net profit approaches 35-40%. You talked about profitability when you really meant to discuss cash flow and the two are not the same. The plumbing industry does not report profitability levels anywhere near what you allege, despite what your buddy or BizComp or other listing services provide. I will leave it at that. Not worth anymore time arguing with you. When you've examined thousands of financial statements (granted most in the printing/blueprinting & mailing industries) like I have you develop some level of confidence in what are "real numbers" as opposed to what is B.S. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From craig at newhavenprint.com Tue Dec 11 12:42:10 2007 From: craig at newhavenprint.com (Craig Dellinger) Date: Tue Dec 11 12:39:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] 4/0 printing In-Reply-To: <009101c83c0c$94387060$01fea8c0@cumberla1> Message-ID: <20071211173946.63144CEAB1A@rb.enter.net> We could name that tune in a day or two. Actually, same day if needed. ;-) Craig Dellinger New Haven Print & Copy 7531 US 930 East Fort Wayne, IN 46803 260.493.3844 / Fax 260.493.3579 www.newhavenprint.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Bob Sherwood > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:43 AM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: [PrintOwners] 4/0 printing > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Need 22000 8.5 x 11 or 11, 000 11 x17 4/0 - 60lb offset or > 80lb coated in about 1 week. Anyone do this? > > Bob Sherwood > Cumberland Printing > P.O. Box 313 > Monitcello, KY 42633 > 606-348-4517 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1644 (20060704) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > From sgfinke at fuse.net Tue Dec 11 13:21:03 2007 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Tue Dec 11 13:22:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] plumbers Message-ID: <4904AE75-5C78-4A55-8D52-39D9FEF4AC44@fuse.net> I had a good plumber but he was kind of a creep, so I thought I'd give one of our customers a try. Long story short... he charged me $750 to do three jobs worth (from the other plumber) around $300. Three quarters of a grand to do three small jobs, and to me that is a LOT of money. When I asked him why, he told me that he charged a flat fee for every service, each of which included a basic charge for a visit, instead of the standard fee for the visit, plus hourly wages and parts. And no, there was no extra "customer service" that made the high price worth it. But that might be the key to one of those really high net profits. Of course, I never called him again and told everyone I know not to use him either. And filled out an "Angie's List" form. Gail Finke PS: He has only printed one thing with us and after that, I don't think he'll be back. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com From jdaghir at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 13:28:51 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Tue Dec 11 13:29:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What Are You Driving? In-Reply-To: <000801c83b7d$926a4d10$042967d3@kp4> References: <000801c83b7d$926a4d10$042967d3@kp4> Message-ID: <83d5b9620712111028v2d73b76ep3bc6346afd041b60@mail.gmail.com> We also have an aging, gas-guzzling cargo van that will probably be replaced by something smaller in the near future. I've been looking at a Chevy HHR or possibly a Honda Element. I'm leaning toward the Element because it has a lot of cargo space with good headroom, a relatively low floor for easy loading and "suicide" doors for good side loading. But aesthetically it's not everyone's cup of tea - definitely (and intentionally) a box on wheels. Sort of like a micro-van. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Linda said: > Our 2000 GMC Delivery Van is limping badly. I do not wish to invest money in it and am looking to replace with a smaller vehicle. Any recommendations as to what to look at? Advice is appreciated. From peter at keystonepress.com Tue Dec 11 13:31:24 2007 From: peter at keystonepress.com (Peter Church) Date: Tue Dec 11 13:34:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] plumbers In-Reply-To: <4904AE75-5C78-4A55-8D52-39D9FEF4AC44@fuse.net> Message-ID: <002e01c83c24$09f1a620$7d01a8c0@key.local> Don't get me going... I had a leak in an upstairs shower. I called "Paul the Plumber", a franchise operation with a lot of advertising in this area. He surveyed the situation and said the fixtures were corroded and needed replacement. He had a price book that listed "replace shower faucet, and shower head, $895". He said he could not do the job on a time and materials basis, he had to use his price book. I was in a real bind to get it fixed so I could sell the house. It took him three hours. I felt violated and will never call them back. Peter Church Keystone Press, LLC 9 Old Falls Road Manchester, NH 03103 phone: 603-622-5222 fax: 603-622-9432 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott and Gail Finke Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 1:21 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] plumbers ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I had a good plumber but he was kind of a creep, so I thought I'd give one of our customers a try. Long story short... he charged me $750 to do three jobs worth (from the other plumber) around $300. Three quarters of a grand to do three small jobs, and to me that is a LOT of money. When I asked him why, he told me that he charged a flat fee for every service, each of which included a basic charge for a visit, instead of the standard fee for the visit, plus hourly wages and parts. And no, there was no extra "customer service" that made the high price worth it. But that might be the key to one of those really high net profits. Of course, I never called him again and told everyone I know not to use him either. And filled out an "Angie's List" form. Gail Finke PS: He has only printed one thing with us and after that, I don't think he'll be back. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From vern at fosterpress.com Tue Dec 11 13:39:06 2007 From: vern at fosterpress.com (Vern Foster) Date: Tue Dec 11 13:39:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need source: Panel Cards In-Reply-To: <83d5b9620712111028v2d73b76ep3bc6346afd041b60@mail.gmail.com> References: <000801c83b7d$926a4d10$042967d3@kp4> <83d5b9620712111028v2d73b76ep3bc6346afd041b60@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004001c83c25$1cc554d0$0100a8c0@foster501df6fb> Our vendor does not carry these anymore, and the customer only wants 250. A-6 foldover card, white linen with debossed center on the front panel and bc slits on the inside. I can handle putting in the slits... does anyone have some on the shelf they would part with? or at least the name of a paper house that is still carrying them? Thanks, Vern ======================================== Vern Foster ~ Foster Press ~ Lake Stevens, WA vern@fosterpress.com ~ 425-334-9317 ======================================== From printer at ptialaska.net Tue Dec 11 13:41:47 2007 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Tue Dec 11 13:42:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What Are You Driving? In-Reply-To: <83d5b9620712111028v2d73b76ep3bc6346afd041b60@mail.gmail.com> References: <000801c83b7d$926a4d10$042967d3@kp4> <83d5b9620712111028v2d73b76ep3bc6346afd041b60@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0E9A49F9-87DA-4A1F-B88A-62F7BA6DC0E4@ptialaska.net> On Dec 11, 2007, at 9:28 AM, Jeff Daghir wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We also have an aging, gas-guzzling cargo van that will probably be > replaced by something smaller in the near future. I've been looking at > a Chevy HHR or possibly a Honda Element. I'm leaning toward the > Element because it has a lot of cargo space with good headroom, a > relatively low floor for easy loading and "suicide" doors for good > side loading. But aesthetically it's not everyone's cup of tea - > definitely (and intentionally) a box on wheels. Sort of like a REPLY: Elements get BAD mileage (under 20 mpg from a friend who has one). How about a Scion http://www.scion.com/#xB 22/28 mpg and lots of room for about $17 k new... _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 13:48:19 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Tue Dec 11 13:48:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need source: Panel Cards In-Reply-To: <004001c83c25$1cc554d0$0100a8c0@foster501df6fb> References: <000801c83b7d$926a4d10$042967d3@kp4> <83d5b9620712111028v2d73b76ep3bc6346afd041b60@mail.gmail.com> <004001c83c25$1cc554d0$0100a8c0@foster501df6fb> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0712111048y4f80f818yb90e42ba15ae9593@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 11, 2007 1:39 PM, Vern Foster wrote: > > > I can handle putting in the slits... does anyone have some on the shelf they > would part with? or at least the name of a paper house that is still > carrying them? Announcement Converters 800-327-8356 www.announcementconverters.com -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~ Lord Bacon From scottv at regalpress.net Tue Dec 11 13:51:22 2007 From: scottv at regalpress.net (Scott Vicnaire) Date: Tue Dec 11 13:51:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What are you driving Message-ID: <013d01c83c26$d2ee8550$ab00a8c0@dimension4550> We bought a Toyota Matrix, which is the station wagon version of their Corolla. Costs around $16,000 with options, gets 29 to 32 MPG, but the cargo area is great for what we do. The cargo area and the rear seat backs are all a hard plastic material, so there is no carpet or carpet covered cardboard panels to worry about. The cargo deck is flat level with the rear of the car, so boxes just slide out without any lifting. You aren't going to move a skid of stuff in it, but for the around town type of deliveries we do it is great. Sincerely, Scott Vicnaire President Regal Printing & Graphics 140 South Main Street Brewer, ME 04412 207-989-4100 265 Water Street Ellsworth, ME 04605 207-667-5227 www.regalpress.net From ron at printingconcepts.com Tue Dec 11 14:01:09 2007 From: ron at printingconcepts.com (Ron Taggart) Date: Tue Dec 11 13:53:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] plumbers In-Reply-To: <002e01c83c24$09f1a620$7d01a8c0@key.local> Message-ID: > $895". He said he could not do the job on a time and materials basis, he had to use his price book. I was in a real bind to get it fixed so I could sell the house. It took him three hours. I felt violated and will never call them back. < "I felt violated..." Peter, was this because of the price or because of something he did with the pipes? Recipients of this E-mail should note that the quotations that appear below should not be construed as a personal message, nor are they in any manner a statement regarding the recipient's character, and are meant for the general edification of this writer's friends and correspondents. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you. --Don Marquis People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. -- W. Somerset Maugham The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. --Bertrand Russell Ron Taggart, President PRINTING CONCEPTS, INC. 4246 Hudson Drive Stow, Ohio 44224 330-572-8200 fax. 330-572-8201 www.printingconcepts.com ron@printingconcepts.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Peter Church Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 1:31 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] plumbers ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Don't get me going... I had a leak in an upstairs shower. I called "Paul the Plumber", a franchise operation with a lot of advertising in this area. He surveyed the situation and said the fixtures were corroded and needed replacement. He had a price book that listed "replace shower faucet, and shower head, $895". He said he could not do the job on a time and materials basis, he had to use his price book. I was in a real bind to get it fixed so I could sell the house. It took him three hours. I felt violated and will never call them back. Peter Church Keystone Press, LLC 9 Old Falls Road Manchester, NH 03103 phone: 603-622-5222 fax: 603-622-9432 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott and Gail Finke Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 1:21 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] plumbers ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I had a good plumber but he was kind of a creep, so I thought I'd give one of our customers a try. Long story short... he charged me $750 to do three jobs worth (from the other plumber) around $300. Three quarters of a grand to do three small jobs, and to me that is a LOT of money. When I asked him why, he told me that he charged a flat fee for every service, each of which included a basic charge for a visit, instead of the standard fee for the visit, plus hourly wages and parts. And no, there was no extra "customer service" that made the high price worth it. But that might be the key to one of those really high net profits. Of course, I never called him again and told everyone I know not to use him either. And filled out an "Angie's List" form. Gail Finke PS: He has only printed one thing with us and after that, I don't think he'll be back. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From John at mpcny.com Tue Dec 11 14:04:20 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Tue Dec 11 14:04:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] plumbers In-Reply-To: <20071211183437.8FD3ECEAE8F@rb.enter.net> References: <20071211183437.8FD3ECEAE8F@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <001001c83c28$a2ebf430$e8c3dc90$@com> My father and brother build homes and do some remod work. They and I know many plumbers and electricians. In our area you must be a licensed master to do even a simple switch or fix a leak. Hence they charge like hell. A $50 + fee to arrive then anything they feel like from there. In fact I have never seen a bill less than $150 to replace an o-ring. To bad we cannot all be licensed master printers and charge for it. I spoke with one of them asked what would happened if one new guy opened and they charged by hour and not by a rate. They told me not much. Some try it and get so much work they cannot do it all. 90% of the time no matter what the price, the person with the leak or no heat will pay the first price they get no matter how high. The person we use is a real odd duck, he is one of the best I have seen, but only does work for accounts he likes. If you pay slow or hire someone else he will never come back. If you're loyal he we get his butt out of bed in snowstorm at 3am to fix it. Kathy thinks he is creepy, even has a weathervane on his house with small guy and big ... oh lets just say a kind of porno thing. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.0/1180 - Release Date: 12/10/2007 2:51 PM From john at foxprinting.biz Tue Dec 11 14:11:18 2007 From: john at foxprinting.biz (John Schroeder) Date: Tue Dec 11 14:15:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] plumbers In-Reply-To: <001001c83c28$a2ebf430$e8c3dc90$@com> References: <20071211183437.8FD3ECEAE8F@rb.enter.net> <001001c83c28$a2ebf430$e8c3dc90$@com> Message-ID: <200272BD-D90B-46E0-A05D-4795BB12D174@foxprinting.biz> A lawyer complains to a plumber about the plumber's bill. " I don't make that much and I'm a lawyer." The plumber replies, "I didn't either when I was a lawyer!" John Schroeder Fox Printing 802-658-9196 john@foxprinting.biz _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mkb1 at good-impressions.com Tue Dec 11 14:25:25 2007 From: mkb1 at good-impressions.com (Marian Bredin) Date: Tue Dec 11 14:26:55 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] plumbers In-Reply-To: <4904AE75-5C78-4A55-8D52-39D9FEF4AC44@fuse.net> Message-ID: <20071211192652.A7FA3CEB259@rb.enter.net> A plumber rents space in our basement for pipes and fittings, etc. He comes every day to pick up supplies. When we need something done, we leave a note on the door for him. Within a day or so, it gets fixed. Half the time he forgets to bill us. Can't beat that situation. Marian Marian Bredin Good Impressions Inc 325 W Washington Ave. Washington, NJ 07882 908-689-3071 Fax: 908-689-7369 http://www.good-impressions.com From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Tue Dec 11 14:57:46 2007 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Tue Dec 11 14:58:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What are you driving In-Reply-To: <013d01c83c26$d2ee8550$ab00a8c0@dimension4550> References: <013d01c83c26$d2ee8550$ab00a8c0@dimension4550> Message-ID: <7B227FD3-739D-4F29-A0EE-8B1EDC3733A2@falconprintandcopy.com> We've been kind of looking at a better urban delivery vehicle too. I figure we can keep the van for massive orders, but a smaller vehicle would take care of 95% of our runs, and save us gas. I hadn't been considering the mini, but after Robin's recommendation its at the top of my list. I also really like the Element. I did want to through the Ford Escape Hybrid out there for everyone's consideration though. I like the way it looks, and have a friend who has one who loves it. I haven't seen how many boxes I can fit in it, but the FWD versions gets 34/30, the the 4WD sits at 29/27 (yeah, better city than highway, its a hybrid). Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com On Dec 11, 2007, at 1:51 PM, Scott Vicnaire wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We bought a Toyota Matrix, which is the station wagon version of > their Corolla. Costs around $16,000 with options, gets 29 to 32 MPG, > but the cargo area is great for what we do. The cargo area and the > rear seat backs are all a hard plastic material, so there is no > carpet or carpet covered cardboard panels to worry about. The cargo > deck is flat level with the rear of the car, so boxes just slide out > without any lifting. You aren't going to move a skid of stuff in it, > but for the around town type of deliveries we do it is great. > > Sincerely, > > > Scott Vicnaire > President > > Regal Printing & Graphics > > 140 South Main Street > Brewer, ME 04412 > 207-989-4100 > > 265 Water Street > Ellsworth, ME 04605 > 207-667-5227 > > www.regalpress.net > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From slb at inkspot.net Tue Dec 11 15:13:18 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Tue Dec 11 15:14:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pocket map [Fwd: Quote for Folding Map] In-Reply-To: <475EC2B4.1090907@verizon.net> Message-ID: <475EA90E.28262.3D68D99@slb.inkspot.net> If you can't find a closer source, try Terry at T&A Binding, in Telford, PA. Steve > > Would anyone of our associate printers like to quote on this folding > job? It is too small for our equipment. > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Quote for Folding Map > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:57:47 -0500 > From: Janie Tasker > To: Steve Fairchild > > > > Hello > I would like to get a quote for a Map. Finished size: about 2 x 4-1/8, > We would send you flat sheets 8-1/4 x 11, folded in half to(first fold) > 4-1/8 x 11, Second fold 4-1/8 x 7, Third fold - 4-1/8 x 3-1/2 and > Fourth fold - Finished size to 2 x 4-1/8. Please include shipping in > your total price. Quanities need 2500, 5000, 10,000 > > -- > Thanks, > > Janie Tasker, CSR > > Nicholas Printing, Inc. > 1109 Broad Street > Summersville, WV 26651 > > 1-304-872-5906 - Phone > 1-304-872-5923 - Fax > > www.nicholasprinting.com > npicsr@verizon.net > > > > > > > -- > Thanks, > > Charles S. Fairchild, President > > Nicholas Printing, Inc. > 1109 Broad Street > Summersville, WV 26651 > > 1-304-872-5906 - Phone > 1-304-872-5923 - Fax > > npiprinting@verizon.net > www.nicholasprinting.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2716 (20071211) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From vern at fosterpress.com Tue Dec 11 15:31:27 2007 From: vern at fosterpress.com (Vern Foster) Date: Tue Dec 11 15:31:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need source: Panel Cards In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0712111048y4f80f818yb90e42ba15ae9593@mail.gmail.com> References: <000801c83b7d$926a4d10$042967d3@kp4><83d5b9620712111028v2d73b76ep3bc6346afd041b60@mail.gmail.com><004001c83c25$1cc554d0$0100a8c0@foster501df6fb> <98f5b19a0712111048y4f80f818yb90e42ba15ae9593@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <008001c83c34$ce628c30$0100a8c0@foster501df6fb> Thanks to all who answered. ======================================== Vern Foster ~ Foster Press ~ Lake Stevens, WA vern@fosterpress.com ~ 425-334-9317 ======================================== -----Original Message----- Announcement Converters 800-327-8356 www.announcementconverters.com -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing From lbaribeau at paragon-print.com Tue Dec 11 15:37:03 2007 From: lbaribeau at paragon-print.com (Linda Baribeau) Date: Tue Dec 11 15:35:53 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need source: Panel Cards References: <000801c83b7d$926a4d10$042967d3@kp4><83d5b9620712111028v2d73b76ep3bc6346afd041b60@mail.gmail.com> <004001c83c25$1cc554d0$0100a8c0@foster501df6fb> Message-ID: <001901c83c35$97fd1ce0$042967d3@kp4> Papercraft. 414-645-5760. Good Luck...........Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vern Foster" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 12:39 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Need source: Panel Cards > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Our vendor does not carry these anymore, and the customer only wants 250. > > A-6 foldover card, white linen with debossed center on the front panel and > bc slits on the inside. > > I can handle putting in the slits... does anyone have some on the shelf they > would part with? or at least the name of a paper house that is still > carrying them? > > Thanks, > Vern > > > ======================================== > Vern Foster ~ Foster Press ~ Lake Stevens, WA > vern@fosterpress.com ~ 425-334-9317 > ======================================== > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Dec 11 16:39:05 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Dec 11 16:39:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What are you driving Message-ID: In a message dated 12/11/2007 2:59:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, borzou@falconprintandcopy.com writes: I did want to through the Ford Escape Hybrid out there for everyone's consideration though. I like the way it looks, and have a friend who has one who loves it. I haven't seen how many boxes I can fit in it, but the FWD versions gets 34/30, the the 4WD sits at 29/27 (yeah, better city than highway, its a hybrid). Interesting side note about hybrids. Apparently, most if not all hybrids being sold were never intended to hall anything and a traditional towing hitch isn't even an option. Some guy locally had bought a Toyota Hybrid or whatever and started checking around to get a towing hitch added. He was told it couldn't be done and no one had any to fit the car. All he wanted to do was to haul a jet ski. So after being turned down, he got together with a welding shop and powder coating firm and designed one to fit. It worked great (although it may possibly void part or all of the power train warranty) and he started selling them on the Internet. Apparently he is selling 10-12 a week and doing quite well. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com Tue Dec 11 16:53:04 2007 From: sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com (Travis) Date: Tue Dec 11 16:56:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What are you driving In-Reply-To: <7B227FD3-739D-4F29-A0EE-8B1EDC3733A2@falconprintandcopy.com> References: <013d01c83c26$d2ee8550$ab00a8c0@dimension4550> <7B227FD3-739D-4F29-A0EE-8B1EDC3733A2@falconprintandcopy.com> Message-ID: <000001c83c40$36b51630$a41f4290$@com> I drive a 2004 Jeep Liberty Renegade. Holds a surprising amount in the back, and is great for those "remote" deliveries. Downside 16/24 average mileage. Travis Date-Line Digital Printing Fairbanks, AK From QKCONSULT at aol.com Tue Dec 11 16:52:22 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Tue Dec 11 17:06:10 2007 Subject: oooops, stupid again! Re: [PrintOwners] What are you driving Message-ID: In a message dated 12/11/2007 4:40:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, QKCONSULT@aol.com writes: were never intended to hall I hate that, I hate that, I hate that when I see others do that, and then I go ahead and don't proof carefully. I know John Henry didn't catch it, but everyone else surely did! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From jacemeister at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 17:08:11 2007 From: jacemeister at gmail.com (Jace Prejean) Date: Tue Dec 11 17:09:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: [OFF] rental space - was plumbers Message-ID: Not to one-up you, Marian, but I have a warehouse space behind Dooley's Nightclub where I let a catering business store some of their equipment and supplies. I don't charge him anything because he doesn't need much space and it's no big deal to me. Anyway, after almost every catering job he has trays of food left over which he brings to Dooley's. He buys a few drinks for himself and his employees, and gets his ego pumped while listening to everyone telling him how great his food is. My customers are happy because they get free hors d' ouerves, he's happy because he gets to store his stuff for free, and I'm happy because my customers drink more, since they feel safer knowing they're not drinking on an empty stomach. With all this talk about food and drink I don't know whether I'm getting hungry or thirsty, but it's about time to find out . - Jace Prejean Bayou Printing & Graphics, Inc 922 Sunset Ave Houma, LA 70360 Phone 985-868-8273 www.BayouPrinting.com On Dec 11, 2007 1:25 PM, Marian Bredin wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > A plumber rents space in our basement for pipes and fittings, etc. He comes > every day to pick up supplies. When we need something done, we leave a note > on the door for him. Within a day or so, it gets fixed. Half the time he > forgets to bill us. > > Can't beat that situation. > > Marian > > Marian Bredin > Good Impressions Inc > 325 W Washington Ave. > Washington, NJ 07882 > 908-689-3071 Fax: 908-689-7369 > http://www.good-impressions.com From ahavens at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 11 17:13:45 2007 From: ahavens at sbcglobal.net (Havens Printing and Copy Shop) Date: Tue Dec 11 17:10:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need source: Panel Cards References: <000801c83b7d$926a4d10$042967d3@kp4><83d5b9620712111028v2d73b76ep3bc6346afd041b60@mail.gmail.com> <004001c83c25$1cc554d0$0100a8c0@foster501df6fb> Message-ID: <006801c83c43$19656550$0301a8c0@Leah> We use Announcement converters, inc. Opa-Locka, FL 800--327-8356 e-mail: info@announcementconverters.com www.announcementconverters.com They handle only "Social" Sizes and Stocks of Cards, Folders and matching envelopes. Austin Havens, Owner Havens Printing & Copy Shop 200 N Main McPherson, KS 67460 620-241-5400 ahavens@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vern Foster" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 12:39 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Need source: Panel Cards > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Our vendor does not carry these anymore, and the customer only wants 250. > > A-6 foldover card, white linen with debossed center on the front panel and > bc slits on the inside. > > I can handle putting in the slits... does anyone have some on the shelf > they > would part with? or at least the name of a paper house that is still > carrying them? > > Thanks, > Vern > > > ======================================== > Vern Foster ~ Foster Press ~ Lake Stevens, WA > vern@fosterpress.com ~ 425-334-9317 > ======================================== > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From npiprinting at verizon.net Tue Dec 11 17:40:57 2007 From: npiprinting at verizon.net (Steve Fairchild) Date: Tue Dec 11 17:41:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Pocket map [Fwd: Quote for Folding Map] In-Reply-To: <475EA90E.28262.3D68D99@slb.inkspot.net> References: <475EA90E.28262.3D68D99@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <475F11F9.3000705@verizon.net> If you have T&A's phone number I would like to give them a call to see if they can help us. Thanks, Steve F. Steve Blatman wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >If you can't find a closer source, try Terry at T&A Binding, in >Telford, PA. > >Steve > > > > >>Would anyone of our associate printers like to quote on this folding >>job? It is too small for our equipment. >> >>-------- Original Message -------- >>Subject: Quote for Folding Map >>Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:57:47 -0500 >>From: Janie Tasker >>To: Steve Fairchild >> >> >> >>Hello >>I would like to get a quote for a Map. Finished size: about 2 x 4-1/8, >>We would send you flat sheets 8-1/4 x 11, folded in half to(first fold) >>4-1/8 x 11, Second fold 4-1/8 x 7, Third fold - 4-1/8 x 3-1/2 and >>Fourth fold - Finished size to 2 x 4-1/8. Please include shipping in >>your total price. Quanities need 2500, 5000, 10,000 >> >>-- >>Thanks, >> >>Janie Tasker, CSR >> >>Nicholas Printing, Inc. >>1109 Broad Street >>Summersville, WV 26651 >> >>1-304-872-5906 - Phone >>1-304-872-5923 - Fax >> >>www.nicholasprinting.com >>npicsr@verizon.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-- >>Thanks, >> >>Charles S. Fairchild, President >> >>Nicholas Printing, Inc. >>1109 Broad Street >>Summersville, WV 26651 >> >>1-304-872-5906 - Phone >>1-304-872-5923 - Fax >> >>npiprinting@verizon.net >>www.nicholasprinting.com >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >>__________ NOD32 2716 (20071211) Information __________ >> >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> > >Steve Blatman >Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. >14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA >Tel: 610-647-0776 >Fax: 610-647-4560 > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > -- Thanks, Charles S. Fairchild, President Nicholas Printing, Inc. 1109 Broad Street Summersville, WV 26651 1-304-872-5906 - Phone 1-304-872-5923 - Fax npiprinting@verizon.net www.nicholasprinting.com From russ at mobile-print.com Tue Dec 11 18:40:29 2007 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Tue Dec 11 17:43:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What are you driving In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <475F1FED.2030907@mobile-print.com> We have a Sprinter, too. It's great! We've only had is about a year so far, but no repairs needed yet. Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com > > We purchased a Sprinter, the tallish narrow looking van that UPS and FEDEX > now have. We've had it about 3yrs and 105,000 miles. The configuration of > this thing is incredible, I am 6'1" and can stand up in it. It drives > almost like a car but has huge capacity. It is diesel and gets about 20mpg. > The drivers love it. > > We like the diesel because we know we can probably get 250,000 miles out of > it. When you run the numbers against a gas van, this is cheaper to operate > although price was about $7K higher. > > Downside: has shown rust spots prematurely and our engine went at 50,000 > miles but the engine was covered by the warranty. > > > > From sos at olympus.net Tue Dec 11 17:43:42 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Tue Dec 11 17:45:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What are you driving References: <013d01c83c26$d2ee8550$ab00a8c0@dimension4550><7B227FD3-739D-4F29-A0EE-8B1EDC3733A2@falconprintandcopy.com> <000001c83c40$36b51630$a41f4290$@com> Message-ID: <087201c83c47$48547be0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> ----- Original Message ----- > I drive a 2004 Jeep Liberty Renegade. Holds a surprising amount in the > back, > and is great for those "remote" deliveries. > Downside 16/24 average mileage. ================== I have a Jeep Grand Cherokee which was wonderful in the snow last winter. It tows our boat, and is also a pretty good delivery vehicle. Although for big jobs I borrow my wife's Town & Country and take the back seat out. It holds a ton of stuff then. So in reading all these posts, there is obviously no perfect vehicle. Everyone has a combo or variety of reasons for their choices. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From acepm2 at gmail.com Wed Dec 12 05:47:59 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Wed Dec 12 05:48:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What Are You Driving? In-Reply-To: <0E9A49F9-87DA-4A1F-B88A-62F7BA6DC0E4@ptialaska.net> References: <000801c83b7d$926a4d10$042967d3@kp4> <83d5b9620712111028v2d73b76ep3bc6346afd041b60@mail.gmail.com> <0E9A49F9-87DA-4A1F-B88A-62F7BA6DC0E4@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: Well, I guess I'm the only one with a 15 foot box truck, lift gate, diesel ISUZU? Carries about 8,000 lbs... makes hauling pallets of mail a breeze..... Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com From gamble at choiceonemail.com Wed Dec 12 07:46:30 2007 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Wed Dec 12 07:46:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What Are You Driving? In-Reply-To: References: <000801c83b7d$926a4d10$042967d3@kp4><83d5b9620712111028v2d73b76ep3bc6346afd041b60@mail.gmail.com><0E9A49F9-87DA-4A1F-B88A-62F7BA6DC0E4@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: <002701c83cbd$04c27f00$0301a8c0@RICK> Thom, Hate for you to feel alone so we had a UD with a 13 ft box that went 120,000 miles before body gave out...Sold the motor and a guy bought the box. We replaced it with a Chevy 15 ft box cutaway van(truck). But the HHR is much cooler to drive really impresses the ladies since I am single...:) Off to do some mail.. Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, Ny 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - Fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Thom Gulyas Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 5:48 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] What Are You Driving? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Well, I guess I'm the only one with a 15 foot box truck, lift gate, diesel ISUZU? Carries about 8,000 lbs... makes hauling pallets of mail a breeze..... Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From robin at protypeonline.com Wed Dec 12 08:04:36 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed Dec 12 08:04:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rip-It & InDesign CS3 Message-ID: <4D29436C-E5A9-4DCD-85D0-3D8E49613FD9@protypeonline.com> Is anyone on this list using a Rip-it platemaker and experiencing any problems when sending ID ver. 3 files ? My staff has notified me that they are having substantial problems -- cannot view the files on the rip-it workstation and several other problems. Call was made to Adobe but no response yet. I think it is the Rip-it software (we upgraded last year but not sure to what)....anyone else have a problem? Right now they are having to convert the files to pdf or ? and send -- taking too much time and increasing chances of errors. HELP1 Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From jdaghir at gmail.com Wed Dec 12 08:07:02 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Wed Dec 12 08:07:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What Are You Driving? In-Reply-To: <0E9A49F9-87DA-4A1F-B88A-62F7BA6DC0E4@ptialaska.net> References: <000801c83b7d$926a4d10$042967d3@kp4> <83d5b9620712111028v2d73b76ep3bc6346afd041b60@mail.gmail.com> <0E9A49F9-87DA-4A1F-B88A-62F7BA6DC0E4@ptialaska.net> Message-ID: <83d5b9620712120507r2d426bfclcee4bf4a0eaf90f3@mail.gmail.com> Hmm, didn't know that. That's not much better mileage than our cargo van. And I could probably park an Element inside our cargo van. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Charles said: > Elements get BAD mileage (under 20 mpg from a friend who has one). > > How about a Scion http://www.scion.com/#xB 22/28 mpg and lots of room > for about $17 k new... From jeff at hprinting.biz Wed Dec 12 08:14:44 2007 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Wed Dec 12 08:15:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rip-It & InDesign CS3 In-Reply-To: <4D29436C-E5A9-4DCD-85D0-3D8E49613FD9@protypeonline.com> References: <4D29436C-E5A9-4DCD-85D0-3D8E49613FD9@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <20071212131445.21768.28668@hm-pop1.solinus.com> At 08:04 AM 12/12/2007, you wrote: >Is anyone on this list using a Rip-it platemaker and experiencing any >problems when sending ID ver. 3 files ? No problem. We use InDesign CS3 as our main program. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Wed Dec 12 09:14:33 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Wed Dec 12 09:16:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rip-It & InDesign CS3 In-Reply-To: <4D29436C-E5A9-4DCD-85D0-3D8E49613FD9@protypeonline.com> References: <4D29436C-E5A9-4DCD-85D0-3D8E49613FD9@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: We've only been using for about a month but no problems here either. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 7:05 AM To: printowners printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Rip-It & InDesign CS3 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Is anyone on this list using a Rip-it platemaker and experiencing any problems when sending ID ver. 3 files ? My staff has notified me that they are having substantial problems -- cannot view the files on the rip-it workstation and several other problems. Call was made to Adobe but no response yet. I think it is the Rip-it software (we upgraded last year but not sure to what)....anyone else have a problem? Right now they are having to convert the files to pdf or ? and send -- taking too much time and increasing chances of errors. HELP1 Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.08750 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.08750 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From smc at sorrentomesa.com Wed Dec 12 10:12:41 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Wed Dec 12 10:16:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: oooops, stupid again! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200712121516.lBCFGRxx088846@i2bnetworks.com> Maybe you should ask the owners of at www.printshopforsale.com to put a link for www.printshopforsale.net on their site? S. At 01:52 PM 12/11/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >In a message dated 12/11/2007 4:40:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >QKCONSULT@aol.com writes: > >were never intended to hall > > >I hate that, I hate that, I hate that when I see others do that, and then I >go ahead and don't proof carefully. I know John Henry didn't catch it, but >everyone else surely did! > >John Stewart >Q. P. Consulting, Inc. >Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > >by Larry Hunt & John Stewart _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Wed Dec 12 10:21:01 2007 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Wed Dec 12 10:23:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rip-It & InDesign CS3 In-Reply-To: <4D29436C-E5A9-4DCD-85D0-3D8E49613FD9@protypeonline.com> References: <4D29436C-E5A9-4DCD-85D0-3D8E49613FD9@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <475FFC5D.4060909@satx.rr.com> I do i every day. No problems. We did the upgrade last year also and It still works great. I can't imagine what your problem would be. We send CS3 from both Mac and PC with perfect results. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Robin Niewold wrote: > > > Is anyone on this list using a Rip-it platemaker and experiencing any > problems when sending ID ver. 3 files ? > > My staff has notified me that they are having substantial problems -- > cannot view the files on the rip-it workstation and several other > problems. > Call was made to Adobe but no response yet. I think it is the Rip-it > software (we upgraded last year but not sure to what)....anyone else > have a problem? > Right now they are having to convert the files to pdf or ? and send -- > taking too much time and increasing chances of errors. > HELP1 > > Robin Niewold > From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Dec 12 10:39:34 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 12 10:40:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: oooops, stupid again! Message-ID: In a message dated 12/12/2007 10:18:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, smc@sorrentomesa.com writes: Maybe you should ask the owners of at www.printshopforsale.com to put a link for www.printshopforsale.net on their site? Oh believe me I have. I offered to buy it, or take it over.... Bottom line, we were forced to choose Printshopsforsale.net (note the plural version); however, our long term plan actually matches one of our longer term goals and that is to take that site and make it a Free site for print shops for sale listings, that would be totally automated including adding photos, etc... very similar to a site called _www.allthelistings.com_ (http://www.allthelistings.com) which my local computer guy developed and has sold the format and style, etc. to many other, much larger companies. Despite some problems with registering the "ideal" name for a website to promote the book, we have consistently found good placement.... On Google we are in the top five listings, whether you use plural or singular of "shop" and pretty much the same if you enter "firm" in place of shop. Similar experiences on Yahoo.... we have even found references from Walmart sites that must then link to Amazon where our book is promoted. We also have a sponsored link on Google for which we pay a modest amount for every click through. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From list at interiorgraphics.com Wed Dec 12 11:48:57 2007 From: list at interiorgraphics.com (Michelle at Interior Graphics) Date: Wed Dec 12 11:49:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What Are You Driving? In-Reply-To: <83d5b9620712120507r2d426bfclcee4bf4a0eaf90f3@mail.gmail.com> References: <000801c83b7d$926a4d10$042967d3@kp4> <83d5b9620712111028v2d73b76ep3bc6346afd041b60@mail.gmail.com> <0E9A49F9-87DA-4A1F-B88A-62F7BA6DC0E4@ptialaska.net> <83d5b9620712120507r2d426bfclcee4bf4a0eaf90f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Well, for me I guess it depends on the season. In the fall/winter/ > spring (mostly one season for us) I have a Dodge Durango. It is > the absolute worst thing for gas mileage EVER (right now I'm > getting 9) but I'm a little upside down in it so I can't get rid of > it. We try not to use it for deliveries too often. But - on the > plus side, it has a V8, custom dual exhaust, and it's bright red. > So it's fast, loud, and pretty. And it has great cargo space, so I > can haul just about anything. > In the summer I drive my '53 Chevy pickup. Not much for space, > unless it's sunny and you can use the bed, but it's great for > conversation. And it's fast too - which means poor gas mileage. > Are you seeing a trend for me yet? Maybe it's my lead foot...... > However - I am in search of an old school bicycle with a rack on it > for small in town deliveries. We are right downtown and some of > the legal jobs we do are only a block or two away. Then I can save > gas, get a great parking spot, and squeeze in a little exercise! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michelle Maynor "Your Personal Printer" Interior Graphics & Printing 770 8th Avenue Fairbanks, AK 99701 907.456.4982 phone 907.452.6992 fax "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the most." - John Ruskin From peter at keystonepress.com Wed Dec 12 11:53:01 2007 From: peter at keystonepress.com (Peter Church) Date: Wed Dec 12 11:56:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How to adjust the third ink form roller on the Heidelberg Printmaster two color press Message-ID: <001f01c83cdf$76104350$7d01a8c0@key.local> We have a "newer version" Heidelberg Printmaster two color duplicator. It is excellent. We have never called H in for service. But, we have run into a problem adjusting the "third" ink form roller on the main head. It is the one closest to the delivery. Does anybody know how to adjust this roller? Thanks, Peter Church Keystone Press, LLC 9 Old Falls Road Manchester, NH 03103 phone: 603-622-5222 fax: 603-622-9432 From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Wed Dec 12 11:58:00 2007 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Wed Dec 12 11:58:17 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] DPM34SC Platemaker help In-Reply-To: <200712121516.lBCFGRxx088846@i2bnetworks.com> References: <200712121516.lBCFGRxx088846@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <793A4647-89A4-4166-8714-431C7D95504C@bellsouth.net> Our direct to platemaker (DPM34SC) just went down on us. We have a service call in, but thought I'd see if anyone here had this machine and had a similar experience. The code we have is: Error Code 6020 The text of the message says: Engine Error. Cycle Engine Power & Retry the job. Laser Fault Detected. We have shut the machine down twice and even unplugged it. Same result when we tried to make plates... Anyone with this machine ever have this problem? Again, I am waiting on a call back from service, but thought I'd ask here. Thanks, Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 From pica18 at hotmail.com Wed Dec 12 12:10:33 2007 From: pica18 at hotmail.com (s polk) Date: Wed Dec 12 12:10:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What Are You Driving? In-Reply-To: References: <000801c83b7d$926a4d10$042967d3@kp4> <83d5b9620712111028v2d73b76ep3bc6346afd041b60@mail.gmail.com> <0E9A49F9-87DA-4A1F-B88A-62F7BA6DC0E4@ptialaska.net> <83d5b9620712120507r2d426bfclcee4bf4a0eaf90f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: My regular runner is a Golf TDI, usually running a waste veggie oil blend, longer trips and heavier loads are put in the Excursion, also running on a blended fuel. And, I frequently use a 1966 gold Caddy convertible for a little extra pizazz in the parking lot. If fact using it today with this extraordinary weather; have the top down and a fully decorated (including lights) Christmas tree hanging out the backseat. The huge trunk hold lots of printing. Keep smilin' Steve McKinsey Printing Tryon, NC _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007 From greg at pressexpress.org Wed Dec 12 12:14:03 2007 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Wed Dec 12 12:14:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How to adjust the third ink form roller on the Heidelberg Printmaster two color press In-Reply-To: <001f01c83cdf$76104350$7d01a8c0@key.local> References: <001f01c83cdf$76104350$7d01a8c0@key.local> Message-ID: <89E81C3C-F784-4A5D-AA28-C8366736AB91@pressexpress.org> Do you have the manual? I could fax you my pages pertaining to it. I think I even have a "service" cheat sheet. Greg On Dec 12, 2007, at 10:53 AM, Peter Church wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have a "newer version" Heidelberg Printmaster two color > duplicator. It is > excellent. We have never called H in for service. > > But, we have run into a problem adjusting the "third" ink form > roller on the > main head. It is the one closest to the delivery. Does anybody know > how to > adjust this roller? > > Thanks, > > Peter Church > Keystone Press, LLC > 9 Old Falls Road > Manchester, NH 03103 > phone: 603-622-5222 > fax: 603-622-9432 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From greg at pressexpress.org Wed Dec 12 12:19:44 2007 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Wed Dec 12 12:20:12 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] How to adjust the third ink form roller on the Heidelberg Printmaster two color press In-Reply-To: <001f01c83cdf$76104350$7d01a8c0@key.local> References: <001f01c83cdf$76104350$7d01a8c0@key.local> Message-ID: You must also adjust the forms in a specific sequence, for changing one, effects another, if memory recalls. The allen screws are hidden pretty well and are difficult to find. I am faxing over the "short" sheet for adjustments that the tech gave us. The manual covers the steps, step by step over several pages. Greg On Dec 12, 2007, at 10:53 AM, Peter Church wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We have a "newer version" Heidelberg Printmaster two color > duplicator. It is > excellent. We have never called H in for service. > > But, we have run into a problem adjusting the "third" ink form > roller on the > main head. It is the one closest to the delivery. Does anybody know > how to > adjust this roller? > > Thanks, > > Peter Church > Keystone Press, LLC > 9 Old Falls Road > Manchester, NH 03103 > phone: 603-622-5222 > fax: 603-622-9432 > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com Wed Dec 12 12:18:05 2007 From: sales at datelinedigitalprinting.com (Travis) Date: Wed Dec 12 12:21:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What Are You Driving? In-Reply-To: References: <000801c83b7d$926a4d10$042967d3@kp4> <83d5b9620712111028v2d73b76ep3bc6346afd041b60@mail.gmail.com> <0E9A49F9-87DA-4A1F-B88A-62F7BA6DC0E4@ptialaska.net> <83d5b9620712120507r2d426bfclcee4bf4a0eaf90f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001101c83ce2$f6eafd50$e4c0f7f0$@com> Michelle, don't forget about your daughters dragster.... the fastest delivery within a 1/4 mile -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Michelle at Interior Graphics Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 7:49 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] What Are You Driving? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > Well, for me I guess it depends on the season. In the fall/winter/ > spring (mostly one season for us) I have a Dodge Durango. It is > the absolute worst thing for gas mileage EVER (right now I'm > getting 9) but I'm a little upside down in it so I can't get rid of > it. We try not to use it for deliveries too often. But - on the > plus side, it has a V8, custom dual exhaust, and it's bright red. > So it's fast, loud, and pretty. And it has great cargo space, so I > can haul just about anything. > In the summer I drive my '53 Chevy pickup. Not much for space, > unless it's sunny and you can use the bed, but it's great for > conversation. And it's fast too - which means poor gas mileage. > Are you seeing a trend for me yet? Maybe it's my lead foot...... > However - I am in search of an old school bicycle with a rack on it > for small in town deliveries. We are right downtown and some of > the legal jobs we do are only a block or two away. Then I can save > gas, get a great parking spot, and squeeze in a little exercise! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michelle Maynor "Your Personal Printer" Interior Graphics & Printing 770 8th Avenue Fairbanks, AK 99701 907.456.4982 phone 907.452.6992 fax "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the most." - John Ruskin _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From robin at protypeonline.com Wed Dec 12 12:23:02 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed Dec 12 12:23:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Wedding Album? Message-ID: Does anyone on this list have a wedding album by Elum Designs and would be willing to share wholesale pricing with me? ???? We don't do any wedding stuff and the brides that come in looking for something custom or more inexpensive than the traditional offerings in the albums -- we tell them they can save lots of money by purchasing the wedding sets at office supply stores and printing themselves. In the past, we would spend hours with a bride and have zillions of revisions....bottom line - didn't make money so we don't do anymore. Pretty please contact me directly if you have the Elum Designs album. Online they offer a wholesale price, registration but this is just ONE order....family, of course! :) robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From robin at protypeonline.com Wed Dec 12 12:49:36 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Wed Dec 12 12:49:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Rip-It & InDesign CS3 Message-ID: I should have contacted my staff before bothering all of you with my question when I didn't have all the info. Here is a better explanation of the problems they are experiencing when sending files to our rip-it platemaker. From my staff: "The problem occurs when we open older versions of Indesign and send them to the platemaker. We are unable to view them before making a plate and this prevents us from making the plate. It is not happening all the time, we haven't had the problem occur in the last 2 weeks. When we have the problem, I simply copy and paste the old file into a new ID3 file and then save it and send to the rip-it and all is well." My concern as the owner is a: time that is being wasted and b: extra steps that could lead to an error :) Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From jgross at techiowa.com Wed Dec 12 13:05:02 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Wed Dec 12 13:05:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] What Are You Driving? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006401c83ce9$84a8a330$1e00000a@tech.local> Steve, be quiet about the weather. If I had a convertible I would have to remove 1/4 inch of ice before I could lower it. But we have all the water we need! Ha! John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of s polk Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 11:11 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] What Are You Driving? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** My regular runner is a Golf TDI, usually running a waste veggie oil blend, longer trips and heavier loads are put in the Excursion, also running on a blended fuel. And, I frequently use a 1966 gold Caddy convertible for a little extra pizazz in the parking lot. If fact using it today with this extraordinary weather; have the top down and a fully decorated (including lights) Christmas tree hanging out the backseat. The huge trunk hold lots of printing. Keep smilin' Steve McKinsey Printing Tryon, NC _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007_______ ________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dennisewing at satx.rr.com Wed Dec 12 13:21:17 2007 From: dennisewing at satx.rr.com (Dennis Ewing) Date: Wed Dec 12 13:23:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Rip-It & InDesign CS3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4760269D.7060008@satx.rr.com> I recommend opening files in the version they were created in unless you are doing internal work and plan on updating the file for use in the new version. I do that if I have a legacy PM file that comes through, but if I get a customer PM file I still have PM on the machines. The same applies for ID 2, CS1,2 and 3 Or Quark or Pub. It just keeps problems away. moving from version to version is asking for reflows and other issues. Dennis W. Ewing Sr Ewing and Sons Printing 12000 Crownpoint, #130 San Antonio, TX 78233 dennisewing@satx.rr.com ewingandsons@satx.rr.com 210/650-5311 210/650-9916 Fax Robin Niewold wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I should have contacted my staff before bothering all of you with my > question when I didn't have all the info. > Here is a better explanation of the problems they are experiencing > when sending files to our rip-it platemaker. > > From my staff: > "The problem occurs when we open older versions of Indesign and send > them to the platemaker. > We are unable to view them before making a plate and this prevents us > from making the plate. > It is not happening all the time, we haven't had the problem occur in > the last 2 weeks. > When we have the problem, I simply copy and paste the old file into a > new ID3 file and then save > it and send to the rip-it and all is well." > > My concern as the owner is a: time that is being wasted and b: extra > steps that could lead to an error > > :) > Robin > > > Robin Niewold > Pro-Type Printing > 130 N. Market Street > Paxton, IL 60957 > 217.379.4715 > robin@protypeonline.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From QKCONSULT at aol.com Wed Dec 12 13:32:20 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 12 13:32:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bush commutes/pardons William James Norman Message-ID: ? William James Norman, of Tallahassee, Fla., convicted in 1970 of possession of an unregistered distillery, carrying on the business of a distiller without giving the required bond, possession and custody of a still without the required sign outside the premises, working at a distillery without the required sign outside the premises and unlawfully producing distilled spirits from mash and similar material. I can't believe this guy has been in prison since around 1970! Note one of the charges was "possession and custody of a still without the required sign outside the premises...." I guess he would have gotten a lower sentence if he had posted a sign outside the still (which I assume was way back in the woods) that he was in fact operating an illegal distillery. Anyone on this list every tried "moonshine," "white lightening" or whatever else they call it? John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From owner at latsons.com Wed Dec 12 13:52:54 2007 From: owner at latsons.com (Dick Latson) Date: Wed Dec 12 13:51:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Social Stationery Message-ID: <200712121850.lBCIor9g016842@pro35.abac.com> I know, a p.i.t.a., but I have been getting a lot of request for these and we all know how difficult it is to sell these without some sort of sample book. I spent a good 45 minutes pulling out swatch books looking for envelopes in a monarch size and then matching paper, etc. ,etc. for one of my bigger customers. He was looking for some nice stationery for his 3 daughters ea. one a different color/type of paper. So my question is can someone recommend a company that has a good social stationery sample book for these types of customers? I will be so grateful for any recomendations. -Dick Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: owner@latsons.com www.latsons.com From mitch.eaton at printingstation.com Wed Dec 12 13:56:03 2007 From: mitch.eaton at printingstation.com (Mitch Eaton) Date: Wed Dec 12 13:58:16 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bush commutes/pardons William James Norman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c83cf0$a5406ea0$f901a8c0@MitchDell> Yes, My grandparents (they live in western Kansas) have had some Moonshine over the years (they didn't make it). I've tried it, but I can't remember what it tasted like. As I recall, it went down pretty smooth for a straight alcohol drink. Mitch Eaton The Printing Station 1420 Locust Street Des Moines, IA 50309 515-243-8144 866-866-7414 Fax 515-243-6540 mitch.eaton@printingstation.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 12:32 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Bush commutes/pardons William James Norman ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** - William James Norman, of Tallahassee, Fla., convicted in 1970 of possession of an unregistered distillery, carrying on the business of a distiller without giving the required bond, possession and custody of a still without the required sign outside the premises, working at a distillery without the required sign outside the premises and unlawfully producing distilled spirits from mash and similar material. I can't believe this guy has been in prison since around 1970! Note one of the charges was "possession and custody of a still without the required sign outside the premises...." I guess he would have gotten a lower sentence if he had posted a sign outside the still (which I assume was way back in the woods) that he was in fact operating an illegal distillery. Anyone on this list every tried "moonshine," "white lightening" or whatever else they call it? John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From doug at vipprinting.com Wed Dec 12 14:16:10 2007 From: doug at vipprinting.com (Douglas W. Rinnert) Date: Wed Dec 12 14:19:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bush commutes/pardons William James Norman In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I had some when I was much younger. I remember it looked like vodka and went down very smooth a little too smooth. I was with a German exchange student and the farmer he was staying with gave it to us. We were on our way to pick our dates for a dance. We both thought it was a little weak with no kick. Well that was until we tried to stand up and couldn't needless to say we were more than a little late picking up the girls and they weren't very happy. That was gooood moonshine and what a kick! Doug Rinnert V.I.P. Printing & Design 9862 Crescent Park Drive West Chester, Ohio 45069 513.777.7468 office 513.777.7459 fax -- Doug Rinnert V.I.P. Printing & Design 9862 Crescent Park Drive West Chester, Ohio 45069 513.777.7468 office 513.777.7459 fax 513.623.6907 cell From jim at visaliaidea.com Wed Dec 12 14:28:40 2007 From: jim at visaliaidea.com (James Laber) Date: Wed Dec 12 14:29:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Check Fraud In-Reply-To: <20071212182348.D7961CEF4A3@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <003f01c83cf5$33861b20$5501a7c0@visaliaidea.local> I don't know about your areas but in ours there has been a rash of fraudulent check activity. We received our statement and noticed some check numbers that were not ours (out of sequence). Pulling out the magnifying glass and looking at the copies of the checks sent with statements we found 12 checks that did not have anything related to our company on there face other then the proper account and routing numbers. Now were told we will have a 3 week to 3 month process of disputing the checks and recovering the funds. Just thought I would send this as a heads up. If you are not doing it already start checking your accounts online each day for irregular activity. Jim Laber Idea! Printing & Graphics Inc 1921 E Main St Visalia CA 93292 559-733-4149 X118 Fax: 559-636-3690 jim@visaliaidea.com http://www.visaliaidea.com/ Member Of: Visalia Chamber of Commerce Tulare Chamber of Commerce Exeter Chamber of Commerce NAQP-National Association of Quick Printers ASI-Advertising Specialty Institute From swiftyprinting at mac.com Wed Dec 12 14:31:40 2007 From: swiftyprinting at mac.com (Chuck) Date: Wed Dec 12 14:32:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bush commutes/pardons William James Norman In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <948687EC-32E8-492A-B647-D9048DEAC709@mac.com> On Dec 12, 2007, at 1:32 PM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > Anyone on > this list every tried "moonshine," "white lightening" or whatever > else they > call it? Back in my college days, a friend went UMass Amherst, we would drive over to Connecticut, get some moonshine, get a clean 30 gallon trash can, fill it up with Fruit punch, fresh fruit and moonshine. We loved to watch the newbies, sit down have a few glasses, say it wasn't strong and then bam when they tried to get up.. You couldn't even taste it when it was mixed with fruit. Chuck Pappas Arlington Swifty Printing 1386 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476 781-646-8700 www.arlingtonswifty.com Member: National Association of Quick Printers Print Industry of New England GATF Adobe Service Network Quark Alliance Microsoft Publisher Provider From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Wed Dec 12 15:35:58 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Wed Dec 12 15:37:22 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Rip-It & InDesign CS3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Robin, still haven't had a problem. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 11:50 AM To: printowners printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Rip-It & InDesign CS3 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I should have contacted my staff before bothering all of you with my question when I didn't have all the info. Here is a better explanation of the problems they are experiencing when sending files to our rip-it platemaker. From my staff: "The problem occurs when we open older versions of Indesign and send them to the platemaker. We are unable to view them before making a plate and this prevents us from making the plate. It is not happening all the time, we haven't had the problem occur in the last 2 weeks. When we have the problem, I simply copy and paste the old file into a new ID3 file and then save it and send to the rip-it and all is well." My concern as the owner is a: time that is being wasted and b: extra steps that could lead to an error :) Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.08770 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.08770 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Wed Dec 12 15:40:01 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Wed Dec 12 15:41:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bush commutes/pardons William James Norman In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When my sister got married to a guy from Minnesota his friends brought some to the wedding. I wasn't much over 21 and they gave me some. Dirty SOB's waited until I turned about 6 different colors before they gave me the orange soda to put the fire out. Nasty stuff! Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 12:32 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Bush commutes/pardons William James Norman ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Anyone on this list every tried "moonshine," "white lightening" or whatever else they call it? E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.08770 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From cpurvine1 at cox.net Wed Dec 12 15:44:15 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Wed Dec 12 15:44:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Social Stationery In-Reply-To: <200712121850.lBCIor9g016842@pro35.abac.com> References: <200712121850.lBCIor9g016842@pro35.abac.com> Message-ID: <00aa01c83cff$c274f130$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Dick, I see that you are in Texas. what about Tatex? 1-800-719-3675 www.tatex.com Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dick Latson Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 12:53 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Social Stationery ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I know, a p.i.t.a., but I have been getting a lot of request for these and we all know how difficult it is to sell these without some sort of sample book. I spent a good 45 minutes pulling out swatch books looking for envelopes in a monarch size and then matching paper, etc. ,etc. for one of my bigger customers. He was looking for some nice stationery for his 3 daughters ea. one a different color/type of paper. So my question is can someone recommend a company that has a good social stationery sample book for these types of customers? I will be so grateful for any recomendations. -Dick Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: owner@latsons.com www.latsons.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2719 (20071212) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From owner at latsons.com Wed Dec 12 16:14:53 2007 From: owner at latsons.com (Dick Latson) Date: Wed Dec 12 16:13:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Social Stationery In-Reply-To: <00aa01c83cff$c274f130$6401a8c0@corapurvine> References: <200712121850.lBCIor9g016842@pro35.abac.com> <00aa01c83cff$c274f130$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <200712122112.lBCLCqKh084296@pro35.abac.com> Thanks Cora, I did look at Tatex but they do not have a social stationery book. They have a commercial stationery book. The type of items I (and my customer) is looking for is more like the monarch size sheets with matching envelopes in a variety of color choices and fold over informal notes of various sizes (A-6, A-7, A-8 and such). You know an assortment of that sort of stuff. I had a book like this years ago. -Dick At 02:44 PM 12/12/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Dick, I see that you are in Texas. what about Tatex? 1-800-719-3675 >www.tatex.com > > >Class Act Printing and Foil >Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: owner@latsons.com www.latsons.com From char at themasterspress.com Wed Dec 12 16:23:38 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Wed Dec 12 16:23:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Social Stationery In-Reply-To: <200712122112.lBCLCqKh084296@pro35.abac.com> Message-ID: Dick call Amy at DOT. I am home and don't know their phone number but they can do the monarch and different sizes you are looking for. Don't know if they have that in their catalog. You might call my office and see if they can give you the phone number. They do whole sale Thermography for printers. If you can't get Amy, call Bryce or MJ. Good people. They are right up the street from me. Charlene On 12/12/07 3:14 PM, "Dick Latson" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Thanks Cora, > I did look at Tatex but they do not have a social stationery book. > They have a commercial stationery book. The type of items I (and my > customer) is looking for is more like the monarch size sheets with > matching envelopes in a variety of color choices and fold over > informal notes of various sizes (A-6, A-7, A-8 and such). > You know an assortment of that sort of stuff. I had a book like this years > ago. > -Dick > > At 02:44 PM 12/12/2007, you wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Dick, I see that you are in Texas. what about Tatex? 1-800-719-3675 >> www.tatex.com >> >> >> Class Act Printing and Foil >> Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners > > Dick Latson > Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. > 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 > Commerce, Texas 75428 > (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 > email: owner@latsons.com > www.latsons.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Charlene Sims The Master?s Press, Inc. 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972-387-0046 Fax 972-404-0317 Char@themasterspress.com From greg at pressexpress.org Wed Dec 12 18:28:35 2007 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Wed Dec 12 18:29:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RW pdf Message-ID: I am looking for a current version of an instruction manual/pdf for Report Writer. The one posted on PrintSmith's site is version 6.3 Thanks Greg Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From bradw at auburnprint.com Wed Dec 12 19:12:55 2007 From: bradw at auburnprint.com (Brad Weston) Date: Wed Dec 12 19:13:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RW pdf In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20071212161137.03752a78@192.168.1.1> That is the same version of report writer that I have off the Printsmith 7.2.3 CD. Thanks Brad Weston Auburn Printers 13020 Earhart Ave Auburn CA 95602 "Endurance Capitol of the World" 530-885-9674 Phone 530-885-6517 Fax <http://www.auburnprint.com/> At 03:28 PM 12/12/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I am looking for a current version of an instruction manual/pdf for >Report Writer. > >The one posted on PrintSmith's site is version 6.3 > >Thanks > >Greg > >Press Express >1869 N. Stevens St. >Rhinelander, WI 54501 >Phone 715-362-2828 >Fax 715-369-2828 >info@pressexpress.org > >Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider >Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From peter at keystonepress.com Wed Dec 12 22:48:31 2007 From: peter at keystonepress.com (Peter Church) Date: Wed Dec 12 22:51:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RW pdf In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20071212161137.03752a78@192.168.1.1> Message-ID: <000b01c83d3b$08b2f5d0$7d01a8c0@key.local> It is also the latest version on the 8.0 distribution disk and the copyright is 2002. Peter Church Keystone Press, LLC 9 Old Falls Road Manchester, NH 03103 phone: 603-622-5222 fax: 603-622-9432 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Brad Weston Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 7:13 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] RW pdf ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** That is the same version of report writer that I have off the Printsmith 7.2.3 CD. Thanks Brad Weston Auburn Printers 13020 Earhart Ave Auburn CA 95602 "Endurance Capitol of the World" 530-885-9674 Phone 530-885-6517 Fax <http://www.auburnprint.com/> At 03:28 PM 12/12/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I am looking for a current version of an instruction manual/pdf for >Report Writer. > >The one posted on PrintSmith's site is version 6.3 > >Thanks > >Greg > >Press Express >1869 N. Stevens St. >Rhinelander, WI 54501 >Phone 715-362-2828 >Fax 715-369-2828 >info@pressexpress.org > >Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is >a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From bill at mauiprintworks.com Thu Dec 13 01:38:28 2007 From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works) Date: Thu Dec 13 01:38:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RW pdf In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2240271C-448E-4723-92C7-315FDE6A0330@mauiprintworks.com> Greg PrintSmith has had a lot of updates since 6.3 but has Report Writer changed much any? Bill Marsh Maui Print Works bill@mauiprintworks.com > > I am looking for a current version of an instruction manual/pdf for > Report Writer. > > The one posted on PrintSmith's site is version 6.3 > > Greg > Press Express > 1869 N. Stevens St. > Rhinelander, WI 54501 > Phone 715-362-2828 > Fax 715-369-2828 > info@pressexpress.org From owner at latsons.com Thu Dec 13 09:06:13 2007 From: owner at latsons.com (Dick Latson) Date: Thu Dec 13 09:04:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Social Stationery In-Reply-To: References: <200712122112.lBCLCqKh084296@pro35.abac.com> Message-ID: <200712131404.lBDE4Epv021046@pro35.abac.com> Thank you Charlene, I will give them a call. -Dick At 03:23 PM 12/12/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >Dick call Amy at DOT. I am home and don't know their phone number but they >can do the monarch and different sizes you are looking for. Don't know if >they have that in their catalog. You might call my office and see if they >can give you the phone number. They do whole sale Thermography for >printers. If you can't get Amy, call Bryce or MJ. Good people. They are >right up the street from me. >Charlene Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: owner@latsons.com www.latsons.com From jdaghir at gmail.com Thu Dec 13 09:13:43 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Thu Dec 13 09:15:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Rip-It & InDesign CS3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83d5b9620712130613s4f8d3c88ka3f503c11564db7b@mail.gmail.com> We were having some problems with InDesign CS3 and our RipIt platemaker. We solved the problem by setting InDesign to download fonts that were listed in the PPD as already installed. You enable this in the print dialog box in InDesign. In the print dialog box it's under Graphics | Fonts | Download PPD Fonts. If my memory is correct we were having problems with previews and this fixed it. If this doesn't work for you I would contact RipIt - I suspect you'll get a faster response from them than you will from Adobe. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Robin said: > "The problem occurs when we open older versions of Indesign and send > them to the platemaker. > We are unable to view them before making a plate and this prevents us > from making the plate. > It is not happening all the time, we haven't had the problem occur > in the last 2 weeks. > When we have the problem, I simply copy and paste the old file into a > new ID3 file and then save > it and send to the rip-it and all is well." From robin at protypeonline.com Thu Dec 13 09:42:55 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Thu Dec 13 09:43:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Holiday $ gifts Message-ID: <8371AD09-D0CB-48AA-AF00-713B023A1D45@protypeonline.com> Soon I will be distributing financial gifts to my staff. We will have our Christmas potluck next Wednesday and close the shop from 1-4:30pm. They are in for an extra big treat this year as while I have them all captive and in a good mood with lots of great food, I plan to hold a mini-workshop! BUT, first I will give them their gifts so they will think twice before retaliating! HA!! I got the idea from Charlene -- SWOT -- Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities, Threats --- what do each of them think these are in relationship to Pro-Type Printing. I will have my thoughts prepared so I can encourage the thought process and hopefully facilitate conversation. And then I will TRY, not sure if it will work as we have never done anything like this before, maybe we can try to connect these thoughts to goals for each of us in the new year. MAYBE? NOW -- I know this has been discussed before so forgive me for asking AGAIN! Is there a chart or a formula of some sort for figuring an employee's check backwards? I want the amount on the check to show up as $2500 -- so the actual amount of the check needs to be more so that after deductions are taken, the amount comes out to a "clean" $2500. And, yes, I know each employee has different deductions taken -- sooooo, where can I find info. like this? I used to give cash but that was also when I was giving $100! Off to Chicago for the day. Will be anxious to get home tonight to get your input. Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From melissa at kwiksolutions.com Thu Dec 13 09:51:10 2007 From: melissa at kwiksolutions.com (Melissa Uber) Date: Thu Dec 13 09:51:29 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] numbering machines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001601c83d97$9a36fc70$3e00000a@Melissa> We are looking to buy a numbering machine. We currently have a Count Auto Pro about 4 years old and have had nothing but problems with it. Suggestions? Thanks! Melissa Melissa Uber Kwik Solutions...Everything in Print 20 West Third St Jamestown, NY 14701 716-483-3227 melissa@kwiksolutions.com From John at mpcny.com Thu Dec 13 10:04:25 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Thu Dec 13 10:04:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RW pdf In-Reply-To: <20071213141546.0545DCF2718@rb.enter.net> References: <20071213141546.0545DCF2718@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <001d01c83d99$738a6740$5a9f35c0$@com> It would be too easy to point out that EFI markets themselves as the technology leader in print management, so I will not. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1182 - Release Date: 12/12/2007 11:29 AM From John at mpcny.com Thu Dec 13 10:07:07 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Thu Dec 13 10:07:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Social Stationery Message-ID: <001e01c83d99$d41ead50$7c5c07f0$@com> Lci Paper has one we use and a website for the whole catalog. http://www.lcipaper.com/ Larry Chase the owner was part the Chase paper family before going it on his own. John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1182 - Release Date: 12/12/2007 11:29 AM From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Thu Dec 13 10:06:51 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Thu Dec 13 10:08:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Holiday $ gifts In-Reply-To: <8371AD09-D0CB-48AA-AF00-713B023A1D45@protypeonline.com> References: <8371AD09-D0CB-48AA-AF00-713B023A1D45@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: Robin, I do my own payroll so, if you want to give me their payroll info, I can plug it in and come up with the numbers for you. Otherwise, $2,707.09 will get you the gross payroll just figuring in social security and medicare to get you a net of $2,500. Why don't you leave it at that and let their state and federal income tax sort itself out when they do their tax returns? Will you have enough money left over after shopping in Chicago? Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Robin Niewold Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:43 AM To: printowners printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Holiday $ gifts ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Soon I will be distributing financial gifts to my staff. We will have our Christmas potluck next Wednesday and close the shop from 1-4:30pm. They are in for an extra big treat this year as while I have them all captive and in a good mood with lots of great food, I plan to hold a mini-workshop! BUT, first I will give them their gifts so they will think twice before retaliating! HA!! I got the idea from Charlene -- SWOT -- Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities, Threats --- what do each of them think these are in relationship to Pro-Type Printing. I will have my thoughts prepared so I can encourage the thought process and hopefully facilitate conversation. And then I will TRY, not sure if it will work as we have never done anything like this before, maybe we can try to connect these thoughts to goals for each of us in the new year. MAYBE? NOW -- I know this has been discussed before so forgive me for asking AGAIN! Is there a chart or a formula of some sort for figuring an employee's check backwards? I want the amount on the check to show up as $2500 -- so the actual amount of the check needs to be more so that after deductions are taken, the amount comes out to a "clean" $2500. And, yes, I know each employee has different deductions taken -- sooooo, where can I find info. like this? I used to give cash but that was also when I was giving $100! Off to Chicago for the day. Will be anxious to get home tonight to get your input. Robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.08770 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.08770 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Thu Dec 13 10:12:33 2007 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Wendt) Date: Thu Dec 13 10:12:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Holiday $ gifts In-Reply-To: <8371AD09-D0CB-48AA-AF00-713B023A1D45@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: On 12/13/07 8:42 AM, "Robin Niewold" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > NOW -- I know this has been discussed before so forgive me for asking > AGAIN! Is there a chart or a formula of some sort for figuring an > employee's check backwards? > I want the amount on the check to show up as $2500 -- so the actual > amount of the check needs to be more so that after deductions are > taken, the amount comes out to a "clean" $2500. And, yes, I know each > employee has different deductions taken -- sooooo, where can I find > info. like this? I used to give cash but that was also when I was > giving $100! Hi Robin, Can I come work for you? Nice bonus and congratulations on what must have been a great year. When I do bonus checks, the only taxes I take out are social security/medicare so if you take your $2500 x 92.35% you will get the gross amount which is $2707.09. I figure over a year's time, the federal taxes wouldn't amount to much and probably wouldn't affect someone's end of the year, so that's how I do it. You also have to make sure you delete any payroll deductions that are made for insurance, etc. on bonus checks. I like the sound of your end of the year potluck/meeting - let us know how it goes. Happy Holidays! Cyndy -- Cyndy Wendt President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 From jeff at hprinting.biz Thu Dec 13 10:14:03 2007 From: jeff at hprinting.biz (Jeff Haines) Date: Thu Dec 13 10:14:31 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Holiday $ gifts In-Reply-To: References: <8371AD09-D0CB-48AA-AF00-713B023A1D45@protypeonline.com> Message-ID: <20071213151402.28826.7602@hm-pop1.solinus.com> At 10:06 AM 12/13/2007, you wrote: >Robin, I do my own payroll so, if you want to give me their payroll info, I >can plug it in and come up with the numbers for you. Otherwise, $2,707.09 >will get you the gross payroll just figuring in social security and medicare >to get you a net of $2,500. Why don't you leave it at that and let their >state and federal income tax sort itself out when they do their tax returns? This is the way I would do it. Jeff Haines Printing Co. 10575 W. Main Rd. North East, PA 16428 (814) 725-1955 ? Fax (814) 725-2244 email: jeff@hprinting.biz ? www.hprinting.biz From smc at sorrentomesa.com Thu Dec 13 10:10:14 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Thu Dec 13 10:14:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] RW pdf In-Reply-To: <001d01c83d99$738a6740$5a9f35c0$@com> References: <20071213141546.0545DCF2718@rb.enter.net> <001d01c83d99$738a6740$5a9f35c0$@com> Message-ID: <200712131514.lBDFE1TF053202@i2bnetworks.com> I own nothing made by EFI...guess I'm missing out. S. At 07:04 AM 12/13/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >It would be too easy to point out that EFI markets themselves as the >technology leader in print management, so I will not. > > >John M. Henry >Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company >125-129 East First Street >Oswego, New York 13126 >(315) 343-3531 >(315) 343-3577 Fax > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1182 - Release Date: 12/12/2007 >11:29 AM > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2721 (20071213) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu Dec 13 10:30:31 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 13 10:31:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Holiday $ gifts Message-ID: In a message dated 12/13/2007 10:13:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com writes: if you take your $2500 x 92.35% Obvious to many, but you really meant to say, divide your desired amount by .9235 not multiply by 92.35. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com Thu Dec 13 10:40:16 2007 From: cyndy at pioneerprintinginc.com (Cyndy Wendt) Date: Thu Dec 13 10:40:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Holiday $ gifts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/13/07 9:30 AM, "QKCONSULT@aol.com" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > In a message dated 12/13/2007 10:13:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com writes: > > if you take your $2500 x 92.35% > > > Obvious to many, but you really meant to say, divide your desired amount by > .9235 not multiply by 92.35. You're absolutely right - my bad. -- Cyndy Wendt President Pioneer Printing, Inc. 3133 S. 7th., Suite D Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 cyndy@pioneerprintinginc.com 402.483.7575 From greg at pressexpress.org Thu Dec 13 11:08:34 2007 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Thu Dec 13 11:11:08 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] numbering machines In-Reply-To: <001601c83d97$9a36fc70$3e00000a@Melissa> References: <001601c83d97$9a36fc70$3e00000a@Melissa> Message-ID: <6C867C48-2A5C-4C48-9A03-C5A66C49ABA8@pressexpress.org> I too have a Count. CS 18A air fed. Worse nightmare I had. Heads fire at random, clutch bottoms out and you can only pile 20 sheets in the hopper at a time otherwise it wont feed. All the employees try it, get frustrated with comments like "i didn't sign on for this crap" and I get stuck beating the job thru it with a Louisville slugger. I can get it to feed great, but only after fiddle f&$#&*g with it to find the sweet spot. I share your agony. Greg On Dec 13, 2007, at 8:51 AM, Melissa Uber wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are looking to buy a numbering machine. We currently have a > Count Auto > Pro about 4 years old and have had nothing but problems with it. > Suggestions? > > Thanks! > Melissa > > Melissa Uber > Kwik Solutions...Everything in Print > 20 West Third St > Jamestown, NY 14701 > 716-483-3227 > melissa@kwiksolutions.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From mike at arborprinting.com Thu Dec 13 11:15:40 2007 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Thu Dec 13 11:19:35 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] numbering machines References: <001601c83d97$9a36fc70$3e00000a@Melissa> <6C867C48-2A5C-4C48-9A03-C5A66C49ABA8@pressexpress.org> Message-ID: <004e01c83da3$67b6dca0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> We are on our second Graphic Whizard. 1st one lasted over 10 years. Ours works great. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com mike@arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Weinfurter" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] numbering machines > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I too have a Count. CS 18A air fed. > > Worse nightmare I had. Heads fire at random, clutch bottoms out and you > can only pile 20 sheets in the hopper at a time otherwise it wont feed. > > All the employees try it, get frustrated with comments like "i didn't > sign on for this crap" and I get stuck beating the job thru it with a > Louisville slugger. I can get it to feed great, but only after fiddle > f&$#&*g with it to find the sweet spot. > > I share your agony. > > Greg > > > On Dec 13, 2007, at 8:51 AM, Melissa Uber wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> We are looking to buy a numbering machine. We currently have a Count >> Auto >> Pro about 4 years old and have had nothing but problems with it. >> Suggestions? >> >> Thanks! >> Melissa >> >> Melissa Uber >> Kwik Solutions...Everything in Print >> 20 West Third St >> Jamestown, NY 14701 >> 716-483-3227 >> melissa@kwiksolutions.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > Press Express > 1869 N. Stevens St. > Rhinelander, WI 54501 > Phone 715-362-2828 > Fax 715-369-2828 > info@pressexpress.org > > Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider > Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From melissa at kwiksolutions.com Thu Dec 13 11:26:25 2007 From: melissa at kwiksolutions.com (Melissa Uber) Date: Thu Dec 13 11:27:09 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] numbering machines In-Reply-To: <6C867C48-2A5C-4C48-9A03-C5A66C49ABA8@pressexpress.org> Message-ID: <001a01c83da4$e8a864e0$3e00000a@Melissa> That's pretty much same boat for us! My husband is the only one who can get it to work and that's with much frustration. -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Greg Weinfurter Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:09 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] numbering machines ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I too have a Count. CS 18A air fed. Worse nightmare I had. Heads fire at random, clutch bottoms out and you can only pile 20 sheets in the hopper at a time otherwise it wont feed. All the employees try it, get frustrated with comments like "i didn't sign on for this crap" and I get stuck beating the job thru it with a Louisville slugger. I can get it to feed great, but only after fiddle f&$#&*g with it to find the sweet spot. I share your agony. Greg On Dec 13, 2007, at 8:51 AM, Melissa Uber wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are looking to buy a numbering machine. We currently have a > Count Auto > Pro about 4 years old and have had nothing but problems with it. > Suggestions? > > Thanks! > Melissa > > Melissa Uber > Kwik Solutions...Everything in Print > 20 West Third St > Jamestown, NY 14701 > 716-483-3227 > melissa@kwiksolutions.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From melissa at kwiksolutions.com Thu Dec 13 11:27:00 2007 From: melissa at kwiksolutions.com (Melissa Uber) Date: Thu Dec 13 11:27:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] numbering machines In-Reply-To: <004e01c83da3$67b6dca0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> Message-ID: <001b01c83da4$fd638db0$3e00000a@Melissa> Nice to hear! What model do you have? -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Mike@arborprinting.com Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:16 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] numbering machines ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are on our second Graphic Whizard. 1st one lasted over 10 years. Ours works great. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com mike@arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Weinfurter" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] numbering machines > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I too have a Count. CS 18A air fed. > > Worse nightmare I had. Heads fire at random, clutch bottoms out and you > can only pile 20 sheets in the hopper at a time otherwise it wont feed. > > All the employees try it, get frustrated with comments like "i didn't > sign on for this crap" and I get stuck beating the job thru it with a > Louisville slugger. I can get it to feed great, but only after fiddle > f&$#&*g with it to find the sweet spot. > > I share your agony. > > Greg > > > On Dec 13, 2007, at 8:51 AM, Melissa Uber wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> We are looking to buy a numbering machine. We currently have a Count >> Auto >> Pro about 4 years old and have had nothing but problems with it. >> Suggestions? >> >> Thanks! >> Melissa >> >> Melissa Uber >> Kwik Solutions...Everything in Print >> 20 West Third St >> Jamestown, NY 14701 >> 716-483-3227 >> melissa@kwiksolutions.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > Press Express > 1869 N. Stevens St. > Rhinelander, WI 54501 > Phone 715-362-2828 > Fax 715-369-2828 > info@pressexpress.org > > Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider > Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpurvine1 at cox.net Thu Dec 13 11:38:30 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Thu Dec 13 11:39:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] numbering machines In-Reply-To: <001b01c83da4$fd638db0$3e00000a@Melissa> References: <004e01c83da3$67b6dca0$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> <001b01c83da4$fd638db0$3e00000a@Melissa> Message-ID: <007201c83da6$97fb3f70$6401a8c0@corapurvine> We had a Graphic Whizard 6,000 and loved it for numbering. We sold it to someone on this list and I believe that they love it too Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz From mike at arborprinting.com Thu Dec 13 11:38:20 2007 From: mike at arborprinting.com (Mike@arborprinting.com) Date: Thu Dec 13 11:40:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] numbering machines References: <001b01c83da4$fd638db0$3e00000a@Melissa> Message-ID: <006b01c83da6$92114550$6501a8c0@MikeShutaPC> GW 8000. It is friction feed, but feeds like a dream, pretty easy to set up, scores and perfs, however we do the bulk of scoring and perfing on a Rosback air feed. Thanks, Michael Shuta Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc 630-969-2277 www.arborprinting.com mike@arborprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melissa Uber" To: "'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only'" Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] numbering machines > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Nice to hear! What model do you have? > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of > Mike@arborprinting.com > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:16 AM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] numbering machines > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are on our second Graphic Whizard. 1st one lasted over 10 years. Ours > works great. > Thanks, > > > Michael Shuta > Arbor Printing & Graphics, Inc > 630-969-2277 > www.arborprinting.com > mike@arborprinting.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Weinfurter" > To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:08 AM > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] numbering machines > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I too have a Count. CS 18A air fed. >> >> Worse nightmare I had. Heads fire at random, clutch bottoms out and you >> can only pile 20 sheets in the hopper at a time otherwise it wont feed. >> >> All the employees try it, get frustrated with comments like "i didn't >> sign on for this crap" and I get stuck beating the job thru it with a >> Louisville slugger. I can get it to feed great, but only after fiddle >> f&$#&*g with it to find the sweet spot. >> >> I share your agony. >> >> Greg >> >> >> On Dec 13, 2007, at 8:51 AM, Melissa Uber wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> We are looking to buy a numbering machine. We currently have a Count >>> Auto >>> Pro about 4 years old and have had nothing but problems with it. >>> Suggestions? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Melissa >>> >>> Melissa Uber >>> Kwik Solutions...Everything in Print >>> 20 West Third St >>> Jamestown, NY 14701 >>> 716-483-3227 >>> melissa@kwiksolutions.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> Press Express >> 1869 N. Stevens St. >> Rhinelander, WI 54501 >> Phone 715-362-2828 >> Fax 715-369-2828 >> info@pressexpress.org >> >> Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider >> Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From sos at olympus.net Thu Dec 13 11:44:20 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu Dec 13 11:45:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] numbering machines References: <001601c83d97$9a36fc70$3e00000a@Melissa> Message-ID: <004101c83da7$68b7d510$0300a8c0@DANIEL> We have a Rollem Auto 4, (does 4 things, number, perf, score, slit). I'd give it a slightly tepid recommendation. It marks the bottom of things if not kept spotlessly clean. It can cut things in half if not exactly perfectly set when scoring, it does not feed two part NCR well, thicker sets seem to feed fine, but two part, it pulls doubles all the time. Or won't feed a set at all. But other than those quibles, it works OK. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From mail at myprinter.biz Thu Dec 13 12:01:31 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Thu Dec 13 12:01:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] numbering machines In-Reply-To: <001601c83d97$9a36fc70$3e00000a@Melissa> Message-ID: Melissa - Our Rollem works well. Friction feed. Also perfs and scores. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Melissa Uber Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 9:51 AM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] numbering machines ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We are looking to buy a numbering machine. We currently have a Count Auto Pro about 4 years old and have had nothing but problems with it. Suggestions? Thanks! Melissa Melissa Uber Kwik Solutions...Everything in Print 20 West Third St Jamestown, NY 14701 716-483-3227 melissa@kwiksolutions.com _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From russ at mobile-print.com Thu Dec 13 13:15:04 2007 From: russ at mobile-print.com (Russ Peters) Date: Thu Dec 13 12:17:18 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] numbering machines In-Reply-To: <001601c83d97$9a36fc70$3e00000a@Melissa> References: <001601c83d97$9a36fc70$3e00000a@Melissa> Message-ID: <476176A8.8090504@mobile-print.com> We've got a Pierce PS-10 rotary numbering machine. Air feed. Regular ink rollers rather than ink pads, so we can use any color of ink. It can imprint, too, as well as perf & score. http://www.pierceusa.com/ps10.html Once trained, almost any employee can run it. Nice machine. Russ Peters MOBILE PRINT, INC. 201 W. Central Road Mount Prospect, IL 60056 Phone: 847.398.6155 Fax: 847.398.0788 E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com W. www.Mobile-Print.com Melissa Uber wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We are looking to buy a numbering machine. We currently have a Count Auto > Pro about 4 years old and have had nothing but problems with it. > Suggestions? > > Thanks! > Melissa > > Melissa Uber > Kwik Solutions...Everything in Print > 20 West Third St > Jamestown, NY 14701 > 716-483-3227 > melissa@kwiksolutions.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From steve at toledoprinter.com Thu Dec 13 12:31:28 2007 From: steve at toledoprinter.com (West Printing) Date: Thu Dec 13 12:31:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re: Rip-It & InDesign CS3 In-Reply-To: <83d5b9620712130613s4f8d3c88ka3f503c11564db7b@mail.gmail.com> References: <83d5b9620712130613s4f8d3c88ka3f503c11564db7b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001a01c83dad$ffbc0d90$ff3428b0$@com> Beware of Arial Narrow if you have Office 2007 and ID on the same machine. Adobe tech support says Office 2007 will install an incompatible Arial Narrow font. This I found out yesterday when ID would not recognize the Arial Narrow I had installed. Tech support said the memo is internal and not distributed. I think blaming MS for this may be premature. Could be something funky with CS3. Too bad I uninstalled CS2. I would like to have compared this problem. Steve Robison West Printing Co. 327 12th Street, Toledo, OH 43604 Ph. 419.246.0857, steve@toledoprinter.com? **************************************** http://www.ToledoPrinter.Com Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Service Provider -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Daghir Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 9:14 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Re: Rip-It & InDesign CS3 ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We were having some problems with InDesign CS3 and our RipIt platemaker. We solved the problem by setting InDesign to download fonts that were listed in the PPD as already installed. You enable this in the print dialog box in InDesign. In the print dialog box it's under Graphics | Fonts | Download PPD Fonts. If my memory is correct we were having problems with previews and this fixed it. If this doesn't work for you I would contact RipIt - I suspect you'll get a faster response from them than you will from Adobe. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Robin said: > "The problem occurs when we open older versions of Indesign and send > them to the platemaker. > We are unable to view them before making a plate and this prevents us > from making the plate. > It is not happening all the time, we haven't had the problem occur > in the last 2 weeks. > When we have the problem, I simply copy and paste the old file into a > new ID3 file and then save > it and send to the rip-it and all is well." _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From digitalgraphics at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 13 13:01:27 2007 From: digitalgraphics at sbcglobal.net (Chris Barton) Date: Thu Dec 13 13:01:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:Numbering Machines In-Reply-To: <20071213164058.AB175CF318C@rb.enter.net> References: <20071213164058.AB175CF318C@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: <004501c83db2$2f81ae00$6401a8c0@Chris> We also use the Rollem Auto 4, previously I had a Graphic Wizard...too many problems and when the board went out....it was expensive and never the same....I don't think you can go wrong when you can buy a used Rollem Mini 4 or Auto 4 for a couple thousand bucks...only draw back is we can't double number on tickets,etc. But for all the other numbering/scoring/perfing we do....it is a workhorse Chris Barton Digital Color Graphics, Inc. 3209 W. Warner Avenue Santa Ana, CA 92704 (714) 241-8443 www.digitalcolorgraphics.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1183 - Release Date: 12/13/2007 9:15 AM From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Thu Dec 13 13:10:14 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 13 13:10:56 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] plumbers Message-ID: All this about margins between plumbers & printers reminds me of the Frasier show. Hmmm makes you wonder doesn't it! Tommy **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From mail at myprinter.biz Thu Dec 13 13:18:34 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Thu Dec 13 13:19:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:Numbering Machines In-Reply-To: <004501c83db2$2f81ae00$6401a8c0@Chris> Message-ID: Chris - We use our Rollem to double number tickets, but the tickets have to be ones we design to conform to certain specs - so the numbers can drop where the machine's mechanical constraints permit, while some part of the stock still passes through the trip-light that drives the mechanism. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Chris Barton Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:01 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] Re:Numbering Machines ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We also use the Rollem Auto 4, previously I had a Graphic Wizard...too many problems and when the board went out....it was expensive and never the same....I don't think you can go wrong when you can buy a used Rollem Mini 4 or Auto 4 for a couple thousand bucks...only draw back is we can't double number on tickets,etc. But for all the other numbering/scoring/perfing we do....it is a workhorse Chris Barton Digital Color Graphics, Inc. 3209 W. Warner Avenue Santa Ana, CA 92704 (714) 241-8443 www.digitalcolorgraphics.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1183 - Release Date: 12/13/2007 9:15 AM _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu Dec 13 13:46:19 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 13 13:52:15 2007 Subject: (OFF) Frogs in the toilet Re: [PrintOwners] plumbers Message-ID: In a message dated 12/13/2007 1:12:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, VillagePrinting1@aol.com writes: All this about margins between plumbers & printers reminds me of the Frasier show. Hmmm makes you wonder doesn't it! Yes, I too am considering a career change, thanks to Larry's disclosure of the huge margins to be made in the plumbing trade.... Actually, I have an ulterior reason as well.... For the past 2-3 years the maid keeps reporting to Mary that she has found one or two fairly sizeable frogs in the upstairs bathroom on the guest side of our house. For a while, I ignored these complaints since I don't like frogs nor do I sleep on that side of the house and I don't have any friends thus no real worries about offending guests sleeping over there. We do have family so one time I did go over and investigate and sure enough there was a good size sort of albino-colored frog in the bowl. I flushed a couple of times and he would go down only to reappear a few minutes later. The next time I put half a gallon of Clorox into the bowl, figuring it would either kill the frog or at least turn him completely white and if that happened he would better blend in with the porcelain and not even be noticed by someone sitting on the toilet, unless he jumped of course. I considered using Drano one time but not sure how well or safe that might be since we have a septic system. The thought of our 20 year-old septic tank blowing up is not a pretty picture or one I want to chance. I figured the frogs must be coming in from one of the vent pipes on the roof but since the angles are steep I was not about to climb up there myself. Neither could I get a good enough angle to allow me to see if there was indeed a vent cover. So, I had to call a contractor to come out and check. He never did tell us what he found, but he did send a bill which I promptly paid. This was a few months ago. Now we have the problem again. I mentioned this to our original builder and speculated that there were only two ways frogs could get into the toilet bowl... through the roof vent, OR albino frogs were now breeding in the septic tank! He laughed and said the latter was impossible. I'm not so sure. Of course if that is happening, we have the makings for one of those science fiction-horror movies where I envision all the frogs deciding to start hopping up the piping one night and invade the house. For right now, we just make sure the cover is down all the time. The next solution will be to take one of my weightlifting plates (like a 45lb one) and putting that on top of the toilet bowl cover. I know that some night I am going to awaken to the sounds of thumping from the other side of the house and I will go over there only to see the toilet bowl cover bouncing up and down, with three or four frog legs and fingers sticking out between the toilet cover and porcelain bowl. At that point we will put the house up for sale and move into a nice Radisson on the beach. However, with real estate values down all over, we may just have to live with the frogs in harmony, so long as they don't hop over to our side of the house. We still have three other bathrooms that the frogs have not discovered. For Larry's benefit, expressed as a ratio, that is 75% of our home's bathrooms are "frog free." John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From jodib at blackfoot.net Thu Dec 13 14:23:07 2007 From: jodib at blackfoot.net (Jodi Bowser) Date: Thu Dec 13 14:23:31 2007 Subject: (OFF) Frogs in the toilet Re: [PrintOwners] plumbers References: Message-ID: <010901c83dbd$97706d20$0101a8c0@desktoppbl> This is too funny. Sorry that I don't have a solution for you, but this was great reading while I had lunch. Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing Missoula, Montana jodib@blackfoot.net 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:46 AM Subject: (OFF) Frogs in the toilet Re: [PrintOwners] plumbers > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > In a message dated 12/13/2007 1:12:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > VillagePrinting1@aol.com writes: > > All this about margins between plumbers & printers reminds me of the > Frasier > show. Hmmm makes you wonder doesn't it! > > Yes, I too am considering a career change, thanks to Larry's disclosure of > the huge margins to be made in the plumbing trade.... Actually, I have an > ulterior reason as well.... For the past 2-3 years the maid keeps > reporting to > Mary that she has found one or two fairly sizeable frogs in the upstairs > bathroom on the guest side of our house. > > For a while, I ignored these complaints since I don't like frogs nor do I > sleep on that side of the house and I don't have any friends thus no real > worries about offending guests sleeping over there. We do have family so > one time > I did go over and investigate and sure enough there was a good size sort > of > albino-colored frog in the bowl. I flushed a couple of times and he would > go > down only to reappear a few minutes later. The next time I put half a > gallon > of Clorox into the bowl, figuring it would either kill the frog or at > least > turn him completely white and if that happened he would better blend in > with > the porcelain and not even be noticed by someone sitting on the toilet, > unless > he jumped of course. I considered using Drano one time but not sure how > well > or safe that might be since we have a septic system. The thought of our > 20 > year-old septic tank blowing up is not a pretty picture or one I want to > chance. > > I figured the frogs must be coming in from one of the vent pipes on the > roof > but since the angles are steep I was not about to climb up there myself. > Neither could I get a good enough angle to allow me to see if there was > indeed a > vent cover. So, I had to call a contractor to come out and check. He > never > did tell us what he found, but he did send a bill which I promptly paid. > This > was a few months ago. > > Now we have the problem again. I mentioned this to our original builder > and > speculated that there were only two ways frogs could get into the toilet > bowl... through the roof vent, OR albino frogs were now breeding in the > septic > tank! He laughed and said the latter was impossible. I'm not so sure. Of > course > if that is happening, we have the makings for one of those science > fiction-horror movies where I envision all the frogs deciding to start > hopping up the > piping one night and invade the house. For right now, we just make sure > the > cover is down all the time. The next solution will be to take one of my > weightlifting plates (like a 45lb one) and putting that on top of the > toilet bowl > cover. > > I know that some night I am going to awaken to the sounds of thumping from > the other side of the house and I will go over there only to see the > toilet > bowl cover bouncing up and down, with three or four frog legs and fingers > sticking out between the toilet cover and porcelain bowl. At that point > we will put > the house up for sale and move into a nice Radisson on the beach. However, > with real estate values down all over, we may just have to live with the > frogs > in harmony, so long as they don't hop over to our side of the house. We > still have three other bathrooms that the frogs have not discovered. For > Larry's > benefit, expressed as a ratio, that is 75% of our home's bathrooms are > "frog > free." > > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From segass at heritageprinting.com Thu Dec 13 14:32:12 2007 From: segass at heritageprinting.com (Steve Gass) Date: Thu Dec 13 14:33:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Presstek Aurora Plates In-Reply-To: <476176A8.8090504@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: <01aa01c83dbe$dcbb4480$6a1da8c0@BIGdell> Hello, We are looking at the Aurora Plates for our Agfa Acento S DTP unit. Is anybody running the Presstek Aurora Plates? Which machine? Presstek, Agfa, Screen, etc. What is the quality of the print? Are you getting 18 to 20 plates per hour like they say? Did you switch from Azura plates (10-11 plates per hour)? Thanks, Steve Gass Heritage Printing & Mailing 240-298-0102 From jgross at techiowa.com Thu Dec 13 14:40:02 2007 From: jgross at techiowa.com (John Gross) Date: Thu Dec 13 14:40:52 2007 Subject: (OFF) Frogs in the toilet Re: [PrintOwners] plumbers In-Reply-To: <010901c83dbd$97706d20$0101a8c0@desktoppbl> Message-ID: <000001c83dbf$f4a597c0$1e00000a@tech.local> Come on John, teach him to sing and feature him on utube. Make lemonade when you are dealt lemons man, make lemonade. You could be famous. John A. Gross Technigraphics, Inc. PO Box 1846 Iowa City, Iowa 52244 jgross@techiowa.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Jodi Bowser Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:23 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: (OFF) Frogs in the toilet Re: [PrintOwners] plumbers ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** This is too funny. Sorry that I don't have a solution for you, but this was great reading while I had lunch. Jodi Bowser Pyramid Printing Missoula, Montana jodib@blackfoot.net 406-728-1503 fax 406-728-0505 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:46 AM Subject: (OFF) Frogs in the toilet Re: [PrintOwners] plumbers > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > In a message dated 12/13/2007 1:12:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > VillagePrinting1@aol.com writes: > > All this about margins between plumbers & printers reminds me of the > Frasier > show. Hmmm makes you wonder doesn't it! > > Yes, I too am considering a career change, thanks to Larry's disclosure of > the huge margins to be made in the plumbing trade.... Actually, I have an > ulterior reason as well.... For the past 2-3 years the maid keeps > reporting to > Mary that she has found one or two fairly sizeable frogs in the upstairs > bathroom on the guest side of our house. > > For a while, I ignored these complaints since I don't like frogs nor do I > sleep on that side of the house and I don't have any friends thus no real > worries about offending guests sleeping over there. We do have family so > one time > I did go over and investigate and sure enough there was a good size sort > of > albino-colored frog in the bowl. I flushed a couple of times and he would > go > down only to reappear a few minutes later. The next time I put half a > gallon > of Clorox into the bowl, figuring it would either kill the frog or at > least > turn him completely white and if that happened he would better blend in > with > the porcelain and not even be noticed by someone sitting on the toilet, > unless > he jumped of course. I considered using Drano one time but not sure how > well > or safe that might be since we have a septic system. The thought of our > 20 > year-old septic tank blowing up is not a pretty picture or one I want to > chance. > > I figured the frogs must be coming in from one of the vent pipes on the > roof > but since the angles are steep I was not about to climb up there myself. > Neither could I get a good enough angle to allow me to see if there was > indeed a > vent cover. So, I had to call a contractor to come out and check. He > never > did tell us what he found, but he did send a bill which I promptly paid. > This > was a few months ago. > > Now we have the problem again. I mentioned this to our original builder > and > speculated that there were only two ways frogs could get into the toilet > bowl... through the roof vent, OR albino frogs were now breeding in the > septic > tank! He laughed and said the latter was impossible. I'm not so sure. Of > course > if that is happening, we have the makings for one of those science > fiction-horror movies where I envision all the frogs deciding to start > hopping up the > piping one night and invade the house. For right now, we just make sure > the > cover is down all the time. The next solution will be to take one of my > weightlifting plates (like a 45lb one) and putting that on top of the > toilet bowl > cover. > > I know that some night I am going to awaken to the sounds of thumping from > the other side of the house and I will go over there only to see the > toilet > bowl cover bouncing up and down, with three or four frog legs and fingers > sticking out between the toilet cover and porcelain bowl. At that point > we will put > the house up for sale and move into a nice Radisson on the beach. However, > with real estate values down all over, we may just have to live with the > frogs > in harmony, so long as they don't hop over to our side of the house. We > still have three other bathrooms that the frogs have not discovered. For > Larry's > benefit, expressed as a ratio, that is 75% of our home's bathrooms are > "frog > free." > > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Thu Dec 13 14:50:32 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Thu Dec 13 14:51:42 2007 Subject: (OFF) Frogs in the toilet Re: [PrintOwners] plumbers In-Reply-To: <20071213192336.4D221CF3C5F@rb.enter.net> References: <20071213192336.4D221CF3C5F@rb.enter.net> Message-ID: >> ...... but he did send a bill which I promptly paid.... >> ..... For Larry's benefit, expressed as a ratio, that is 75% of our >> home's bathrooms are "frog free." I'm confused. Is this what plumbers mean by 'frog free cash flow'? >> ...there were only two ways frogs could get into the toilet bowl... Or is to to do with 'Access Profits'? Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From rick at jmjprinting.com Thu Dec 13 15:11:19 2007 From: rick at jmjprinting.com (Rick Foster) Date: Thu Dec 13 15:03:59 2007 Subject: (OFF) Frogs in the toilet Re: [PrintOwners] plumbers In-Reply-To: <000001c83dbf$f4a597c0$1e00000a@tech.local> References: <000001c83dbf$f4a597c0$1e00000a@tech.local> Message-ID: In reference to the message sent by John Gross, on 12/13/07, at 1:40 PM -0600: Add a little top hat and cane then rent out the local theatre. "Hello my baby, hello my darling, hello my rag time gal..." (only a true cartoon fan from the 80 will get it) > >Come on John, teach him to sing -- Rick _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Rick B. Foster JMJ Printing Co. LLC - Snohomish, WA mailto:rick@jmjprinting.com http://www.jmjprinting.com 425.334.9716 Your Full Service Print Shop 425.397.9716 Fax We Appreciate Your Business! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu Dec 13 15:18:41 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 13 15:19:22 2007 Subject: (OFF) Frogs in the toilet Re: [PrintOwners] plumbers Message-ID: In a message dated 12/13/2007 3:05:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rick@jmjprinting.com writes: Add a little top hat and cane then rent out the local theatre. "Hello my baby, hello my darling, hello my rag time gal..." (only a true cartoon fan from the 80 will get it) Oh sure, I just see it now. I go into the bathroom, kneel down, lift the lid just a little bit and whisper, "Ok, I've got a deal for you. All the bugs you can eat, if we can work out this new trick a print owner suggested. Damn-it, hop back a bit. Here's a little hat I want you to wear. Yeah, I know it looks stupid. Look, you've got to quit croaking so much, Mary might hear. If you keep it up I'm going to have to water-board you, you friggin frog." By the way, these aren't your normal hip, hopitty type frogs. They have small little feet with suction pads on the end of each finger or whatever frogs have, and that's how I figure they climb up the drain pipes outside the house. John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From greg at pressexpress.org Thu Dec 13 15:19:05 2007 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Thu Dec 13 15:19:41 2007 Subject: (OFF) Frogs in the toilet Re: [PrintOwners] plumbers In-Reply-To: <010901c83dbd$97706d20$0101a8c0@desktoppbl> References: <010901c83dbd$97706d20$0101a8c0@desktoppbl> Message-ID: Solution: Light an M-80 or one of those 1/8 sticks of dynamite, put in toilet then flush! Oh and don't forget to close the toilet lid! Very funny story, John! Thanks for the laugh! Greg On Dec 13, 2007, at 1:23 PM, Jodi Bowser wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > This is too funny. Sorry that I don't have a solution for you, but > this was great > reading while I had lunch. > > > Jodi Bowser > Pyramid Printing > Missoula, Montana > jodib@blackfoot.net > 406-728-1503 > fax 406-728-0505 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:46 AM > Subject: (OFF) Frogs in the toilet Re: [PrintOwners] plumbers > > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> >> In a message dated 12/13/2007 1:12:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> VillagePrinting1@aol.com writes: >> >> All this about margins between plumbers & printers reminds me of the >> Frasier >> show. Hmmm makes you wonder doesn't it! >> >> Yes, I too am considering a career change, thanks to Larry's >> disclosure of >> the huge margins to be made in the plumbing trade.... Actually, I >> have an >> ulterior reason as well.... For the past 2-3 years the maid keeps >> reporting to >> Mary that she has found one or two fairly sizeable frogs in the >> upstairs >> bathroom on the guest side of our house. >> >> For a while, I ignored these complaints since I don't like frogs >> nor do I >> sleep on that side of the house and I don't have any friends thus >> no real >> worries about offending guests sleeping over there. We do have >> family so one time >> I did go over and investigate and sure enough there was a good >> size sort of >> albino-colored frog in the bowl. I flushed a couple of times and >> he would go >> down only to reappear a few minutes later. The next time I put >> half a gallon >> of Clorox into the bowl, figuring it would either kill the frog >> or at least >> turn him completely white and if that happened he would better >> blend in with >> the porcelain and not even be noticed by someone sitting on the >> toilet, unless >> he jumped of course. I considered using Drano one time but not >> sure how well >> or safe that might be since we have a septic system. The thought >> of our 20 >> year-old septic tank blowing up is not a pretty picture or one I >> want to chance. >> >> I figured the frogs must be coming in from one of the vent pipes >> on the roof >> but since the angles are steep I was not about to climb up there >> myself. >> Neither could I get a good enough angle to allow me to see if >> there was indeed a >> vent cover. So, I had to call a contractor to come out and check. >> He never >> did tell us what he found, but he did send a bill which I >> promptly paid. This >> was a few months ago. >> >> Now we have the problem again. I mentioned this to our original >> builder and >> speculated that there were only two ways frogs could get into the >> toilet >> bowl... through the roof vent, OR albino frogs were now breeding >> in the septic >> tank! He laughed and said the latter was impossible. I'm not so >> sure. Of course >> if that is happening, we have the makings for one of those science >> fiction-horror movies where I envision all the frogs deciding to >> start hopping up the >> piping one night and invade the house. For right now, we just make >> sure the >> cover is down all the time. The next solution will be to take one >> of my >> weightlifting plates (like a 45lb one) and putting that on top of >> the toilet bowl >> cover. >> >> I know that some night I am going to awaken to the sounds of >> thumping from >> the other side of the house and I will go over there only to see >> the toilet >> bowl cover bouncing up and down, with three or four frog legs and >> fingers >> sticking out between the toilet cover and porcelain bowl. At that >> point we will put >> the house up for sale and move into a nice Radisson on the beach. >> However, >> with real estate values down all over, we may just have to live >> with the frogs >> in harmony, so long as they don't hop over to our side of the >> house. We >> still have three other bathrooms that the frogs have not >> discovered. For Larry's >> benefit, expressed as a ratio, that is 75% of our home's >> bathrooms are "frog >> free." >> >> >> >> John Stewart >> Q. P. Consulting, Inc. >> Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http:// >> www.printshopsforsale.net/) >> >> by Larry Hunt & John Stewart >> >> 2110 S. Dairy Road >> West Melbourne, FL 32904 >> 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 >> Cell: 321-794-6259 >> _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) >> "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." >> >> >> >> **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes >> (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu Dec 13 15:21:06 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 13 15:21:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] DPM34SC Platemaker help Message-ID: In a message dated 12/12/2007 12:00:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cpyxpres@bellsouth.net writes: The code we have is: Error Code 6020 Oh my God, not an error code 6020. If it's really a Code 6020 it means the entire machine will have to be replaced with a new model, probably one costing at John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From kellycrom at gmail.com Thu Dec 13 15:39:13 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Thu Dec 13 15:39:56 2007 Subject: (OFF) Frogs in the toilet Re: [PrintOwners] plumbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008c01c83dc8$4488d1f0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> John, Check out this site http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/UW259 It the cuban tree frog the one you have? If it is, the article recommends "humanely euthanizing" the frog. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of > QKCONSULT@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:46 PM > To: printowners@printweb.org > Subject: (OFF) Frogs in the toilet Re: [PrintOwners] plumbers > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > In a message dated 12/13/2007 1:12:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > VillagePrinting1@aol.com writes: > > All this about margins between plumbers & printers reminds > me of the > Frasier > show. Hmmm makes you wonder doesn't it! > > Yes, I too am considering a career change, thanks to Larry's > disclosure of > the huge margins to be made in the plumbing trade.... > Actually, I have an > ulterior reason as well.... For the past 2-3 years the maid > keeps reporting to > Mary that she has found one or two fairly sizeable frogs in > the upstairs > bathroom on the guest side of our house. > > For a while, I ignored these complaints since I don't like > frogs nor do I > sleep on that side of the house and I don't have any friends > thus no real > worries about offending guests sleeping over there. We do > have family so one time > I did go over and investigate and sure enough there was a > good size sort of > albino-colored frog in the bowl. I flushed a couple of times > and he would go > down only to reappear a few minutes later. The next time I > put half a gallon > of Clorox into the bowl, figuring it would either kill the > frog or at least > turn him completely white and if that happened he would > better blend in with > the porcelain and not even be noticed by someone sitting on > the toilet, unless > he jumped of course. I considered using Drano one time but > not sure how well > or safe that might be since we have a septic system. The > thought of our 20 > year-old septic tank blowing up is not a pretty picture or > one I want to chance. > > I figured the frogs must be coming in from one of the vent > pipes on the roof > but since the angles are steep I was not about to climb up > there myself. > Neither could I get a good enough angle to allow me to see if > there was indeed a > vent cover. So, I had to call a contractor to come out and > check. He never > did tell us what he found, but he did send a bill which I > promptly paid. This > was a few months ago. > > Now we have the problem again. I mentioned this to our > original builder and > speculated that there were only two ways frogs could get into > the toilet > bowl... through the roof vent, OR albino frogs were now > breeding in the septic > tank! He laughed and said the latter was impossible. I'm not > so sure. Of course > if that is happening, we have the makings for one of those science > fiction-horror movies where I envision all the frogs deciding > to start hopping up the > piping one night and invade the house. For right now, we just > make sure the > cover is down all the time. The next solution will be to take > one of my > weightlifting plates (like a 45lb one) and putting that on > top of the toilet bowl > cover. > > I know that some night I am going to awaken to the sounds of > thumping from > the other side of the house and I will go over there only to > see the toilet > bowl cover bouncing up and down, with three or four frog > legs and fingers > sticking out between the toilet cover and porcelain bowl. At > that point we will put > the house up for sale and move into a nice Radisson on the > beach. However, > with real estate values down all over, we may just have to > live with the frogs > in harmony, so long as they don't hop over to our side of > the house. We > still have three other bathrooms that the frogs have not > discovered. For Larry's > benefit, expressed as a ratio, that is 75% of our home's > bathrooms are "frog > free." > > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ > (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From prtquick at eos.net Thu Dec 13 15:41:43 2007 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Thu Dec 13 15:41:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] numbering machines In-Reply-To: <476176A8.8090504@mobile-print.com> References: <001601c83d97$9a36fc70$3e00000a@Melissa> <476176A8.8090504@mobile-print.com> Message-ID: <21184aadfc2be4e1e3e6e2fd2a349e49@eos.net> We have a Pierce too. Love it. It is airfed. When we need extra suction we borrow some air pressure from the folder next to it to pull through stubborn stock. We number envelopes! Thanks! Scott Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit us in our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing On Dec 13, 2007, at 1:15 PM, Russ Peters wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We've got a Pierce PS-10 rotary numbering machine. Air feed. Regular > ink rollers rather than ink pads, so we can use any color of ink. It > can imprint, too, as well as perf & score. > > http://www.pierceusa.com/ps10.html > > Once trained, almost any employee can run it. Nice machine. > > Russ Peters > MOBILE PRINT, INC. > 201 W. Central Road > Mount Prospect, IL 60056 > Phone: 847.398.6155 > Fax: 847.398.0788 > E: Russ@Mobile-Print.com > W. www.Mobile-Print.com > > > > Melissa Uber wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> We are looking to buy a numbering machine. We currently have a Count >> Auto >> Pro about 4 years old and have had nothing but problems with it. >> Suggestions? >> >> Thanks! >> Melissa >> >> Melissa Uber >> Kwik Solutions...Everything in Print >> 20 West Third St >> Jamestown, NY 14701 >> 716-483-3227 >> melissa@kwiksolutions.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Thu Dec 13 15:44:17 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 13 15:45:04 2007 Subject: (OFF) Frogs in the toilet Re: [PrintOwners] plumbers Message-ID: X-cellent! Rick **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu Dec 13 15:57:11 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 13 15:57:34 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Going crazy.... Message-ID: Sorry I bothered the list with the frog story. Although it is true, I know it has little to do with printing. I have spent the past three days going over all the raw data gathered from the recently completed 4C Practices and Pricing Survey. On the one hand, I love this stuff the most. I get to close the office door and just manage and massage the data day after day. We received more than 330 surveys and the data is pretty darn clean and good, but it only takes a few errant cells or entries in any of the 240 columns (about 40,000+ cells) and it can really throw off the final numbers. I am always determined to find each of those "bad" or "mistaken" entries so we can all have the cleanest data possible. I am always amazed at the diversity, candor and honesty of most of those that complete these surveys. They take a lot of work. Sure, there are always a few folks who try to sneak by and try to enter junk numbers but you can spot that stuff pretty easily, at least I do. Yeah, most of them will get a free copy cause it's not worth arguing with them afterwards. Nonetheless, most folks really try hard to get it right and complete the surveys. One thing that always catches my attention is when I get around to inserting calculated cells and columns that deal with SPE, owner's comp as a percent of sales, Sales Per DTP and Sales Per Press Operator. I'm always amazed by the number of folks running small to medium size shops in this country who must clearly be having major troubles (as expressed by the ratios and numbers they provide) who still take the time to complete these surveys. Many of them have to be having major problems just keeping their doors open and paying the bills. When you have owners (I deal solely with anonymous survey numbers and not the names of the firms) who candidly admit they are taking out 2.5%, 3% or 4% or who admit they are employing seven FT people, including themselves, to produce $475,000 or the shop that employs 14 to produce $1.250,000 in sales it just boggles the mind. While these types of surveys are important (at least in my mind) I wonder if they truly realize how bad they are doing when compared to others in the same industry. If they do, then you have to wonder what steps they have decided to take to improve these numbers. In many cases, I suspect they are isolated and totally unaware of what good numbers look like, or how they can be brought about. The irony in many of these cases is that the really troubled shops, at least at first glance, are not in trouble because of crazy or erratic pricing. In all the pricing studies I have conducted, I have never found any real obvious direct correlation between pricing and profitability. Sure, if you price products low enough your profits are going to be low, but you can improve profitability immensely by bringing other ratios into line.... improving SPE by gathering or using more productive equipment, avoiding low profit markets or products, etc., etc. Anyway, I have taken a break from the numbers and now have to jump back to them.... is it 5 p.m. yet? John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Thu Dec 13 15:42:21 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 13 15:58:15 2007 Subject: (OFF) Frogs in the toilet Re: [PrintOwners] plumbers Message-ID: John thank you for that info. Put a big smile on my face. We're presently getting hit hard w/sleet & snow. Winter what a concept!. Tommy **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Thu Dec 13 16:05:28 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Thu Dec 13 16:06:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] I am looking for a niche in the plumbing industry. Message-ID: John, this is extremely beneficial info for me. Basic plumbing and 40% margins are just too boring. I am looking for a niche in the plumbing industry. I also happen to have studied the Great Blue Heron which lives near water all over Arizona. Their meal of choice: yep. That is my plan and company name: Larry's Blue Heron Plumbing. You can imagine how it works, loaning out a blue heron to my customers on a daily rental basis. I believe they can stick their necks through the S shaped toilet tubing and get down to where the problem is. How much would this be worth to you on a daily basis. I have no clue how to price my services and products to achieve the margins I'm looking for. Don't forget to add in the heron 'fertilizer' recycling deduction....maybe even a tax credit somewhere in this. This list still rocks. LT I know that some night I am going to awaken to the sounds of thumping from the other side of the house and I will go over there only to see the toilet bowl cover bouncing up and down, with three or four frog legs and fingers sticking out between the toilet cover and porcelain bowl. At that point we will put the house up for sale and move into a nice Radisson on the beach. However, with real estate values down all over, we may just have to live with the frogs in harmony, so long as they don't hop over to our side of the house. We still have three other bathrooms that the frogs have not discovered. For Larry's benefit, expressed as a ratio, that is 75% of our home's bathrooms are "frog free." John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc From bill at mauiprintworks.com Thu Dec 13 16:07:50 2007 From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works) Date: Thu Dec 13 16:08:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] numbering machines In-Reply-To: <001601c83d97$9a36fc70$3e00000a@Melissa> References: <001601c83d97$9a36fc70$3e00000a@Melissa> Message-ID: <8C290C03-2CF9-4648-8B94-3E9A8FE67F87@mauiprintworks.com> Russ, that Pierce PS-10 rotary numbering machine looks very nice. If I was to upgrade I think I'd go with that. We've had a Rollem for 20 years and has done us very well, but feeding is not it's strength. Very critical is replacing the feeder tongue and blue roller frequently but with care can feed almost anything. Bill Marsh Maui Print Works bill@mauiprintworks.com From gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com Thu Dec 13 16:10:03 2007 From: gordwatt at xoxocyberprint.com (Gordon Watt) Date: Thu Dec 13 16:11:03 2007 Subject: (OFF) Frogs in the toilet Re: [PrintOwners] plumbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004f01c83dcc$876735d0$8e00a8c0@D3YN3DB1> I think we have frogs in our toilet too! I keep hearing these funny noises like frog coming from the bathroom. Gordon Watt Xoxo Cyberprint Inc Toronto -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of QKCONSULT@aol.com Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:46 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: (OFF) Frogs in the toilet Re: [PrintOwners] plumbers ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** In a message dated 12/13/2007 1:12:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, VillagePrinting1@aol.com writes: All this about margins between plumbers & printers reminds me of the Frasier show. Hmmm makes you wonder doesn't it! Yes, I too am considering a career change, thanks to Larry's disclosure of the huge margins to be made in the plumbing trade.... Actually, I have an ulterior reason as well.... For the past 2-3 years the maid keeps reporting to Mary that she has found one or two fairly sizeable frogs in the upstairs bathroom on the guest side of our house. For a while, I ignored these complaints since I don't like frogs nor do I sleep on that side of the house and I don't have any friends thus no real worries about offending guests sleeping over there. We do have family so one time I did go over and investigate and sure enough there was a good size sort of albino-colored frog in the bowl. I flushed a couple of times and he would go down only to reappear a few minutes later. The next time I put half a gallon of Clorox into the bowl, figuring it would either kill the frog or at least turn him completely white and if that happened he would better blend in with the porcelain and not even be noticed by someone sitting on the toilet, unless he jumped of course. I considered using Drano one time but not sure how well or safe that might be since we have a septic system. The thought of our 20 year-old septic tank blowing up is not a pretty picture or one I want to chance. I figured the frogs must be coming in from one of the vent pipes on the roof but since the angles are steep I was not about to climb up there myself. Neither could I get a good enough angle to allow me to see if there was indeed a vent cover. So, I had to call a contractor to come out and check. He never did tell us what he found, but he did send a bill which I promptly paid. This was a few months ago. Now we have the problem again. I mentioned this to our original builder and speculated that there were only two ways frogs could get into the toilet bowl... through the roof vent, OR albino frogs were now breeding in the septic tank! He laughed and said the latter was impossible. I'm not so sure. Of course if that is happening, we have the makings for one of those science fiction-horror movies where I envision all the frogs deciding to start hopping up the piping one night and invade the house. For right now, we just make sure the cover is down all the time. The next solution will be to take one of my weightlifting plates (like a 45lb one) and putting that on top of the toilet bowl cover. I know that some night I am going to awaken to the sounds of thumping from the other side of the house and I will go over there only to see the toilet bowl cover bouncing up and down, with three or four frog legs and fingers sticking out between the toilet cover and porcelain bowl. At that point we will put the house up for sale and move into a nice Radisson on the beach. However, with real estate values down all over, we may just have to live with the frogs in harmony, so long as they don't hop over to our side of the house. We still have three other bathrooms that the frogs have not discovered. For Larry's benefit, expressed as a ratio, that is 75% of our home's bathrooms are "frog free." John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu Dec 13 16:24:57 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 13 16:25:18 2007 Subject: That's it exactly! Re: (OFF) Frogs in the toilet Re: [PrintOwners] plumbers Message-ID: In a message dated 12/13/2007 3:41:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kellycrom@gmail.com writes: John, Check out this site http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/UW259 It the cuban tree frog the one you have? If it is, the article recommends "humanely euthanizing" the frog. Kelly, That's absolutely amazing.... that's the picture of my frog... I recognize his smirk and everything. I couldn't help but notice some of the following from the article: "Cuban Treefrogs are the largest species of treefrog in Florida, and adult females may exceed 6 inches in length. Most Cuban Treefrogs, however, range from 1-4 inches long. They have very large eyes, giving them a somewhat "bug-eyed" appearance. ...The colors of Cuban Treefrogs vary a lot. Most often they are creamy white to light brown, although they can be green, gray, beige, yellow, dark brown or a combination of these colors..." "Cuban Treefrogs eat a wide variety of food items, including snails, millipedes, spiders, and a vast array of insects. They are predators of several of Floridas native frogs, and are cannibalistic. They are also known to eat lizards and even small snakes. Fortunately, several species of native snakes will eat Cuban Treefrogs, including rat snakes, Black Racers, Pygmy Rattlesnakes, and Garter Snakes. Owls, crows, and wading birds have also been seen feeding on Cuban Treefrogs." I must say the part about the frogs being cannibalistic caught my eye... it appears if I keep a couple of native snakes as pets I can get rid of the frogs.... I'm also going to have the doorways leading into that part of the house bricked up immediately. I also noticed the article talks about the frogs getting into the toilets through the roof vents... You folks thought I was just kidding. I can't get "humanely euthanizing" out of my mind. What am I supposed to do, put a blanket over his nostrils while he is sleeping, inject him with something, or give him one of my Ambien, Cialis, Crestor, Sular, or one of my many other drugs? What kind of professor would suggest "humanely euthanizing" a little amphibian? How do you humanely euthanize something that isn't human? John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From QKCONSULT at aol.com Thu Dec 13 16:30:16 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 13 16:30:52 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] I am looking for a niche in the plumbing industry. Message-ID: In a message dated 12/13/2007 4:06:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, eatnsleepgolf@msn.com writes: That is my plan and company name: Larry's Blue Heron Plumbing. You can imagine how it works, loaning out a blue heron to my customers on a daily rental basis. I believe they can stick their necks through the S shaped toilet tubing and get down to where the problem is. I like it.... if you can get the thing to walk on a leash and follow you into the house you're on to something! You better have lot's of insurance, cause if your Heron attacks my cat after he's eaten the frog we are going to have a major legal suit on our hands. Enough frog talk for the day! I'm sure one or more people are really PO'd because I started talking about frogs, but you know you can only talk about serious stuff so long until your head actually can explode! John Stewart Q. P. Consulting, Inc. Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt & John Stewart 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From kk1400 at charterinternet.com Thu Dec 13 16:33:32 2007 From: kk1400 at charterinternet.com (Monica Mead) Date: Thu Dec 13 16:33:28 2007 Subject: That's it exactly! Re: (OFF) Frogs in the toilet Re: [PrintOwners] plumbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20071213213301.KKEP25501.aacpub01.charter.net@DellD800.charterinternet.com> At 03:24 PM 12/13/2007, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: >I can't get "humanely euthanizing" out of my mind. What am I supposed to do, >put a blanket over his nostrils while he is sleeping, inject him with >something, or give him one of my Ambien, Cialis, Crestor, Sular, or one of my many >other drugs? What kind of professor would suggest "humanely euthanizing" a >little amphibian? How do you humanely euthanize something that isn't human? Get a pet snake, or use a BFH (specialty hammer). I don't think a toner bomb would suffice. Monica Mead Kwik Kopy Printing Dundas, MN From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Thu Dec 13 17:23:49 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Thu Dec 13 17:24:04 2007 Subject: (OFF) Frogs in the toilet Re: [PrintOwners] plumbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98f5b19a0712131423l78667ccbi13c0e68c880aade1@mail.gmail.com> On 12/13/07, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > > > these aren't your normal hip, hopitty type frogs. They have > small little feet with suction pads on the end of each finger or whatever > frogs > have, Not quite, John. Try this: _ _ _ is to *foot * as *finger* is to _ _ _ _. > -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon Everybody is certainly entitled to their own opinions; there's just not much point in it if you're wrong. ~Rush Limbaugh From bill at mauiprintworks.com Thu Dec 13 17:49:10 2007 From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works) Date: Thu Dec 13 17:49:24 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need source: Panel Cards In-Reply-To: <004001c83c25$1cc554d0$0100a8c0@foster501df6fb> References: <000801c83b7d$926a4d10$042967d3@kp4> <83d5b9620712111028v2d73b76ep3bc6346afd041b60@mail.gmail.com> <004001c83c25$1cc554d0$0100a8c0@foster501df6fb> Message-ID: Thanks to Mike Vogel and Austin Havens for the resource tip for announcements. www.announcementconverters.com The day after Vern posted the request for panel card resources. One of our potential large "customers" requested some RUSH A-6 Panel Cards. I wasn't going to hassle with it but Joseph here at the shop pursued the research and pricing and it's a job with a follow up job. The paper is on it's way from Florida to Maui. And they're ordering more in January. Thanks to all Bill Marsh Maui Print Works bill@mauiprintworks.com From bill at mauiprintworks.com Thu Dec 13 18:00:20 2007 From: bill at mauiprintworks.com (Maui Print Works) Date: Thu Dec 13 18:00:41 2007 Subject: That's it exactly! Re: (OFF) Frogs in the toilet Re: [PrintOwners] plumbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OK all you that have work to do, get back to it, otherwise... This is what you need to do John. The only problem is if your wife finds the frog in your freezer. To euthanize a Cuban Treefrog, hold the frog firmly in your hand and apply a 1 inch bead of benzocaine ointment along the back of the frog. Benzocaine ointment is a topical anesthetic (a numbing agent) used to treat skin pain (e.g., from sunburn) and itching as well as toothaches and sore throats. There are a variety of name brand and generic versions that are available over-the-counter in a tube or spray. If you are able to, using a gloved finger spread the ointment out on the frog's back. Alternatively, you could use a benzocaine spray. Once the ointment or spray is applied, place the frog in a plastic grocery bag or a sealable sandwich bag for 15-20 minutes so that the benzocaine has a chance to render the frog unconscious (be sure to seal the bag or tie it closed). After the bezocaine has anesthetized the frog, place the bag in a freezer overnight to ensure that the frog is dead and then throw it out in your trash. If you are unable to apply benzocaine to the frog, you can simply put it in a plastic bag, seal or tie the bag shut, then place it in the freezer overnight--dispose of the bag and the frog in the trash the next day. Do not throw a bagged frog into the trash without euthanizing it first. Remember, Cuban Treefrogs have a noxious skin secretion so be sure to wash your hands thoroughly after you handle the frog, even if you wear gloves or use a plastic bag. Bill Marsh Maui Print Works bill@mauiprintworks.com From sos at olympus.net Thu Dec 13 18:17:30 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Thu Dec 13 18:17:56 2007 Subject: That's it exactly! Re: (OFF) Frogs in the toilet Re:[PrintOwners] plumbers References: Message-ID: <019d01c83dde$5589afe0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> > To euthanize a Cuban Treefrog, hold the frog firmly in your hand and > apply a 1 inch bead of benzocaine ointment along the back of the frog. > etc etc =============== That seems awfully involved. Can't you just put it in a pot of water, put the pot on the stove and slowly bring it to a boil. Then do all that bag and garbage stuff. Or simpler yet, just throw the damned thing outside. You know, where the trees are. Where you would think a tree frog would live. If you're too squeamish to grab it, invite the grandkids over. Kids love frogs. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From greg at pressexpress.org Thu Dec 13 18:23:24 2007 From: greg at pressexpress.org (Greg Weinfurter) Date: Thu Dec 13 18:23:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] I am looking for a niche in the plumbing industry. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: How's this? Dy-na-mite Plumbing. Clogged drains? no problem. Just light the fuse and stuff it down the drain. Frogs in the septic? Light the fuse and flush! Mad at your neighbor? No problem! Just strap 4 together, light the fuse and drop down the vent! It also works on emptying port-a potties, cleaning chimneys removing stumps and constipation! Too much fun. Sorry, couldn't resist. Greg On Dec 13, 2007, at 3:30 PM, QKCONSULT@aol.com wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > In a message dated 12/13/2007 4:06:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > eatnsleepgolf@msn.com writes: > > That is my plan and company name: Larry's Blue Heron Plumbing. > You can > imagine how it works, loaning out a blue heron > to my customers on a daily rental basis. I believe they can stick > their > necks through the S shaped toilet tubing and get down > to where the problem is. > > > > I like it.... if you can get the thing to walk on a leash and > follow you > into the house you're on to something! You better have lot's of > insurance, cause > if your Heron attacks my cat after he's eaten the frog we are going > to have > a major legal suit on our hands. > > Enough frog talk for the day! I'm sure one or more people are > really > PO'd because I started talking about frogs, but you know you can > only talk about > serious stuff so long until your head actually can explode! > > > John Stewart > Q. P. Consulting, Inc. > Featuring - _"Print Shop For Sale"_ (http:// > www.printshopsforsale.net/) > > by Larry Hunt & John Stewart > > 2110 S. Dairy Road > West Melbourne, FL 32904 > 321-727-2442 Fax 321-727-2166 > Cell: 321-794-6259 > _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) > "Winners analyze, losers rationalize." > > > > **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners Press Express 1869 N. Stevens St. Rhinelander, WI 54501 Phone 715-362-2828 Fax 715-369-2828 info@pressexpress.org Press Express is an Authorized Adobe Service Provider Press Express is a licensed MicroSoft Publisher Service Provider From list at interiorgraphics.com Thu Dec 13 19:40:14 2007 From: list at interiorgraphics.com (Michelle at Interior Graphics) Date: Thu Dec 13 19:40:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Printers on Kauai Message-ID: Hi there! Just wanted to see if there are any print owners on the list from Kauai, Hawaii. I'm heading over on the 23rd and would like to visit. You can email me off list if you'd like. Thanks! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michelle Maynor "Your Personal Printer" Interior Graphics & Printing 770 8th Avenue Fairbanks, AK 99701 907.456.4982 phone 907.452.6992 fax "The purest and most thoughtful minds are those which love color the most." - John Ruskin From braddpotter at juno.com Thu Dec 13 21:24:53 2007 From: braddpotter at juno.com (Brad Potter) Date: Thu Dec 13 21:27:04 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] paper handling around a wide format machine. Message-ID: <20071213.182453.28176.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> I admit when we started the wide format service, we (I) did not think thru the extra space needed. working from pile, face down working to pile, and then because our machine can not handle a big pile of done copies, we are pulling copies off (ten at a time or so) and placing them on another pile. And sometimes I use the cutter bed (which is close and big enough) to jog and stack. Does anyone have an elegant solution for the easy handling of the copies, like a stainless steel table with edges (like a cutter bed) that helps the paper flow in that department? brad Brad Potter Your Printing Super Hero 3480 SE Bethel, Suite A Port Orchard, WA 98366 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax _____________________________________________________________ Click here to save up to 75% on disability insurance. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3mJLzMQyi9npVXFYK6qz8wLuPFCxt27Ybt0CZkMkcgktNtEQ/ From braddpotter at juno.com Thu Dec 13 21:44:04 2007 From: braddpotter at juno.com (Brad Potter) Date: Thu Dec 13 21:45:07 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rip It wants 2 grand for a driver! (proof copier just died for the la st time...) HP designjet 10ps Message-ID: <20071213.184404.28176.1@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Well I think I have most of it in the subject line... We have a two up format Ripit (Have the baby H) My guys have it set up so that the graphics area sends the plate direct to that printer. After a final looksee the pressman makes the plate. We save a lot of plates that way. We do not need agency color, pleasing color is what we need, and the workaround now is about 10 keystrokes (don't quote me on that) and it goes up to the color copier on a 12x18 sheet. What they want is for it to pop out automagically. The HP designjet 10 ps is just giving them fits, reports out of ink when we just reloaded it, and new printhead needed when we just changed it. Un plug, pull out ink, reinsert, reboot, blah blah. Any ideas on a printer that will work with the driver we already bought and oh, we DO have the maintenance and softcare on the Ripit. Or what is the best solution? The Ripit is fine, a little slow, but hey it works for us. brad Brad Potter Your Printing Super Hero 3480 SE Bethel, Suite A Port Orchard, WA 98366 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax _____________________________________________________________ Free Quotes - Renters Insurance. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3mJX6uq06yd6qzQoKyyQ2FPRC9soxsI6J0olNKBa4Dt2KFik/ From sgfinke at fuse.net Thu Dec 13 22:44:05 2007 From: sgfinke at fuse.net (Scott and Gail Finke) Date: Thu Dec 13 22:45:33 2007 Subject: (OFF) Frogs in the toilet Re: [PrintOwners] plumbers In-Reply-To: <008c01c83dc8$4488d1f0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <008c01c83dc8$4488d1f0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <128E5075-D3A8-4C5E-9149-5E0F187670E1@fuse.net> Wow, that site even shows one all curled up in a toilet bowl! So I can now visualize John's horror. Here is what you are supposed to do if you get one: "To report the presence of Cuban Treefrogs on your property, please send an e-mail message to Dr. Steve A. Johnson of the University of Florida at tadpole@ufl.edu . Please be sure to include the county where the frog was seen and a street address of the location (for mapping purposes). When possible, please take a digital picture of the frog and include the image as an attachment in your e-mail message. This will allow Dr. Johnson to positively identify the frog and provide a confirmed record for our archives." And then, as someone else said, you are supposed to "humanely euthanize" it. I would just catch it in a plastic bag and send it to Dr. Johnson. You sure have a lot of interesting invasive species in Florida... Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, OH 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (513) 522-2679 Fax 522-2692 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - info@brentwood-printing.com www.brentwood-printing.com From dominick at fmtc.com Fri Dec 14 01:30:31 2007 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Fri Dec 14 01:30:50 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] new way of thinking In-Reply-To: <200712091724.lB9HOkZ6009328@i2bnetworks.com> References: <475AFA86.5040804@fmtc.com> <200712091724.lB9HOkZ6009328@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: <47622307.8080904@fmtc.com> Thank you to everyone that replied to my question. For the last week, we have done nothing but what Scott first replied below. I started this thread on the 8th, and on the 11th, began the process of "value pricing". Instead of "we have a new faster less expensive machine" it has become "we have the best, latest technology, and your digital prints will be perfect." Then price it accordingly. To this day, we have not lost a single job due to price. Only one due to "out of that paper", and the other because we do not print from "printshop" software. We did a 3000 4/4 job on 80# gloss same day for one customer. We even offered to fold them "free". To quote him as he asked us about the order; "there is no printer that can do this, I have to be on the plane tomorrow morning at 6 am. How many can you have ready?" Job done by the afternoon, and he was so happy, brought the entire crew cinnamon rolls! Dare I tell you all the price??? $2000. Do I feel like I overcharged? No! I provided a service that "no other printer can do" (insert large grin here!) He accepted my quote, we are all happy. In the morning I sign the purchase agreement for this Xerox 252. I see it being more profitable than any color machine I have ever owned. Even when I was charging $1.99 per color copy... For what its worth for anyone looking at machines, the "off the glass" copies of photos rival the CLC 1120 quality. Thanks again for all the replies. Merry Christmas to everyone. Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Yes, you are thinking in the totally wrong direction. > > Instead of concocting ways to determine how low you can go by > calculating costs and then thinking about how little you can charge, > think about the value you provide and what the market will bear and > charge appropriately. From dominick at fmtc.com Fri Dec 14 01:35:03 2007 From: dominick at fmtc.com (Dominick's Printing) Date: Fri Dec 14 01:35:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon Wide Format Color Message-ID: <47622417.4030502@fmtc.com> I asked once before what wide format inkjet color printer, that printowners were using and got one reply. So I will be a little more specific. Anyone using the Canon IPF 8000? This is a 44" wide 12 color inkjet. Just doing some late night research... Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! From QKCONSULT at aol.com Fri Dec 14 07:26:50 2007 From: QKCONSULT at aol.com (QKCONSULT@aol.com) Date: Fri Dec 14 07:27:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] new way of thinking Message-ID: In a message dated 12/14/2007 1:31:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, dominick@fmtc.com writes: Thanks again for all the replies. Merry Christmas to everyone. Congratulations and Merry Christmas. Wait to you see the invoice from Scott. John Stewart The Quick Consultant _www.quickconsultant.com_ (http://www.quickconsultant.com/) 321-727-2442 FAX 321-727-2166 Cell: 321-794-6259 2110 S. Dairy Road West Melbourne, FL 32904 Read about new book _Print Shop For Sale_ (http://www.printshopsforsale.net/) by Larry Hunt and myself. **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From david.doost at gmail.com Fri Dec 14 07:26:32 2007 From: david.doost at gmail.com (David Doost) Date: Fri Dec 14 07:30:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] paper handling around a wide format machine. In-Reply-To: <20071213.182453.28176.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> References: <20071213.182453.28176.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <47627735.0b87460a.135a.ffffa2e8@mx.google.com> Brad, I feel your pain. We actually had a custom table made by a local carpenter for exactly what you describe, but we also use it for bindery and big banners (5 ft x 16 ft). How about one of those rolling cart stainless steel kitchen tables? Don't know if it's big enough for you. This guy has a store for this stuff on ebay: http://tinyurl.com/2yc6f9 Here is another source: http://www.abestkitchen.com/store/stainless-tables.html HTH. David Doost Printing Impression 1200 Barrett Parkway Suite 4 Kennesaw, GA 30144 770-422-8766 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Brad Potter Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 9:25 PM To: printowners@printweb.org Subject: [PrintOwners] paper handling around a wide format machine. ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I admit when we started the wide format service, we (I) did not think thru the extra space needed. working from pile, face down working to pile, and then because our machine can not handle a big pile of done copies, we are pulling copies off (ten at a time or so) and placing them on another pile. And sometimes I use the cutter bed (which is close and big enough) to jog and stack. Does anyone have an elegant solution for the easy handling of the copies, like a stainless steel table with edges (like a cutter bed) that helps the paper flow in that department? brad Brad Potter Your Printing Super Hero 3480 SE Bethel, Suite A Port Orchard, WA 98366 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax _____________________________________________________________ Click here to save up to 75% on disability insurance. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3mJLzMQyi9npVXFYK6qz8wLuPF Cxt27Ybt0CZkMkcgktNtEQ/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From dave at goldentriangleprinting.com Fri Dec 14 08:07:54 2007 From: dave at goldentriangleprinting.com (Dave) Date: Fri Dec 14 08:08:45 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon Wide Format Color References: <47622417.4030502@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <000601c83e52$5738cdc0$0201a8c0@GTP01> WE use the Canon 8400. Excellent machine. no service calls in over a year. Customers love the quality Golden Triangle Printing 80 Baffin Pl Unit 1 Waterloo, Ontario N2V 1Z7 Ph. 519-725-1414 Fax. 519-725-2051 sales@goldentriangleprinting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dominick's Printing" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 1:35 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon Wide Format Color > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I asked once before what wide format inkjet color printer, that > printowners were using and got one reply. So I will be a little more > specific. > > Anyone using the Canon IPF 8000? This is a 44" wide 12 color inkjet. > > Just doing some late night research... > > Joe Dominick > > Dominick's Quality Printing > 542 W. Idaho Avenue > Ontario Oregon 97914 > 541.881.1121 > Fax 541.881.1599 > > www.dominicksprinting.com > dominick@fmtc.com > > Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider > Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From jdaghir at gmail.com Fri Dec 14 09:07:40 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Fri Dec 14 09:08:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] numbering machines In-Reply-To: <8C290C03-2CF9-4648-8B94-3E9A8FE67F87@mauiprintworks.com> References: <001601c83d97$9a36fc70$3e00000a@Melissa> <8C290C03-2CF9-4648-8B94-3E9A8FE67F87@mauiprintworks.com> Message-ID: <83d5b9620712140607u6dd658bbxfa0011722064fcd1@mail.gmail.com> We've got the Pierce PS-10 also. Really good machine. Does take a longer to setup/cleanup than an impact numbering machine like a Graphic Wizard or a Rollem but once it's set up it runs FAST. Perfs and scores also. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com From jdaghir at gmail.com Fri Dec 14 09:11:51 2007 From: jdaghir at gmail.com (Jeff Daghir) Date: Fri Dec 14 09:12:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Need source: Panel Cards In-Reply-To: References: <000801c83b7d$926a4d10$042967d3@kp4> <83d5b9620712111028v2d73b76ep3bc6346afd041b60@mail.gmail.com> <004001c83c25$1cc554d0$0100a8c0@foster501df6fb> Message-ID: <83d5b9620712140611g6ebc73cdrf4a80982c7d105f6@mail.gmail.com> For what it's worth I met the owner of Annoucement Converters at Graph Expo this year while fighting with a Coke machine that stole $2 from me. Ended up chatting for a while with him and his son. Nice people and seemed to really know their stuff. -- Jeff Daghir MPS Printing, Inc. "The Ink & Paper People" Madison, IN www.mpsprinting.com jeff_daghir@mpsprinting.com Bill said: > Thanks to Mike Vogel and Austin Havens for the resource tip for > announcements. > www.announcementconverters.com From k_graham at hotmail.com Fri Dec 14 09:28:39 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Fri Dec 14 09:29:23 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Rip It wants 2 grand for a driver! (proof copier justdied for the la st time...) HP designjet 10ps References: <20071213.184404.28176.1@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Brad; As you have the last update your Ripit can make a pdf for viewing with each job automatically, this can be set at up to 600 dpi and printed out to any printer. This might be the 10 keystroke method you mention. You must install Acrobat on the Ripit if not installed so as to view the pdf's. You can set up any printer on the network as the default printer for the ripit and go into preferences and set the default page size to 12x18. Then all you need to do is right click on the pdf and print (2 keystrokes) - you could probably have it output to a hot folder and save that step but then you may end up with many more printouts than doing it manually. As the above is a pdf you don't require any purchased printdriver for the Ripit. The problem with the above is it doesn't work with the imposition or plate template portion if you are using imposition at the Ripit. Ripit used to have a 600 dpi driver for (2) postscript printers for about the price you mentioned - possible advantage might be to drive a color copier and a large format inkjet. I asked about it but could never find anyone using it and they wouldn't provide a timed trial as they said it was 3rd party - of course now Xante runs the show its likely more. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com Dawson Creek BC Canada 250-782-7108 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Potter" To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 7:44 PM Subject: [PrintOwners] Rip It wants 2 grand for a driver! (proof copier justdied for the la st time...) HP designjet 10ps ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Well I think I have most of it in the subject line... We have a two up format Ripit (Have the baby H) My guys have it set up so that the graphics area sends the plate direct to that printer. After a final looksee the pressman makes the plate. We save a lot of plates that way. We do not need agency color, pleasing color is what we need, and the workaround now is about 10 keystrokes (don't quote me on that) and it goes up to the color copier on a 12x18 sheet. What they want is for it to pop out automagically. The HP designjet 10 ps is just giving them fits, reports out of ink when we just reloaded it, and new printhead needed when we just changed it. Un plug, pull out ink, reinsert, reboot, blah blah. Any ideas on a printer that will work with the driver we already bought and oh, we DO have the maintenance and softcare on the Ripit. Or what is the best solution? The Ripit is fine, a little slow, but hey it works for us. brad Brad Potter Your Printing Super Hero 3480 SE Bethel, Suite A Port Orchard, WA 98366 360.876.5350 voice 360.876.5615 fax _____________________________________________________________ Free Quotes - Renters Insurance. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3mJX6uq06yd6qzQoKyyQ2FPRC9soxsI6J0olNKBa4Dt2KFik/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From owner at latsons.com Fri Dec 14 09:47:51 2007 From: owner at latsons.com (Dick Latson) Date: Fri Dec 14 09:46:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon Wide Format Color In-Reply-To: <47622417.4030502@fmtc.com> References: <47622417.4030502@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <200712141445.lBEEjoRG098484@pro35.abac.com> Joe, That is one of the ones I am researching as well (I think). I am waiting on some quotes from my vendor and would be happy to pass those along to you. My literature shows the 44" model number as a W8200. Am I missing something? As an aside, in all my years in this industry (30) this wide format has got to be one of the most confusing and difficult pieces of machinery I have ever researched. The above post is a perfect example, IPF? what the heck is IPF I find that nowhere in the information I have been getting from my Canon dealer. Then there are the considerations of cost per foot, ink types, substrates, throat width, dpi, scanners, software, speed, cost, on and on. It makes my head spin. Perhaps I am making it out to be more of an issue than it is. Maybe that is why little feed back is received when we post about this subject, there are just to many variables to give any concise answers. -Dick At 12:35 AM 12/14/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >I asked once before what wide format inkjet color printer, that >printowners were using and got one reply. So I will be a little more specific. > >Anyone using the Canon IPF 8000? This is a 44" wide 12 color inkjet. > >Just doing some late night research... > >Joe Dominick > >Dominick's Quality Printing >542 W. Idaho Avenue >Ontario Oregon 97914 >541.881.1121 >Fax 541.881.1599 > >www.dominicksprinting.com >dominick@fmtc.com > >Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider >Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: owner@latsons.com www.latsons.com From prtquick at eos.net Fri Dec 14 11:10:54 2007 From: prtquick at eos.net (Scott Finke) Date: Fri Dec 14 11:10:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] tpf file? Message-ID: We just got a file in with a .tpf extension. A quick Google search found that it could be some kind of type file, or another type of file typically used by airline reservation and financial transaction industries. I would guess the former... but I still can't open it. Does this sound familiar to anyone? Also, something on the message mentions "Printshop Prophoto" so that is giving me pause. Thanks! Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit us in our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Fri Dec 14 11:37:56 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Fri Dec 14 11:39:51 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] paper handling around a wide format machine. Message-ID: I feel your pain. I have 875 sq ft. & get this, we have a 60" printer. So if you think you have problems think again. When we have 5 or more prints, we pull the prints over a 6' table. As the fourth one starts to print we start the cutting, by overlapping the prints on table. I only get a smile on my face when the order is paid for. Tommy **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From gamble at choiceonemail.com Fri Dec 14 12:19:19 2007 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Fri Dec 14 12:19:48 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] DEXTER/LAWSON CUTTER PARTS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <024301c83e75$765cfb40$0301a8c0@RICK> I am hoping someone can help me with this.. My 42" Dexter Lawson cutter which has 3 eyes. My bindery guy Bless his heart was doing some preventive Maintenance and broke the eye and bracket I have been looking like a fool locally to no avail. Wonder if anybody knows of a dealer or person who carries parts for this machine. Thanks in advance. Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, Ny 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - Fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email From gamble at choiceonemail.com Fri Dec 14 12:22:19 2007 From: gamble at choiceonemail.com (Rick Bird) Date: Fri Dec 14 12:22:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] tpf file? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <024401c83e75$e31acfa0$0301a8c0@RICK> Gail, What kind of file is it (i.e.: data, graphics..) I have taken and saved it to a desk top then changed the extension to like .txt if it is data and it will at least open it. may not be pretty but at least you know what you have then you can move forth... I also have the print shop deluxe software on my laptop and would be more than happy to open it and save it in another way if it is indeed a print shop program. Rick Bird Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. 3649 California Road Orchard Park, Ny 14127 (716) 662-1515 (716) 662-5917 - Fax gamble@choiceonemail.com - email -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Scott Finke Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 11:11 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] tpf file? ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** We just got a file in with a .tpf extension. A quick Google search found that it could be some kind of type file, or another type of file typically used by airline reservation and financial transaction industries. I would guess the former... but I still can't open it. Does this sound familiar to anyone? Also, something on the message mentions "Printshop Prophoto" so that is giving me pause. Thanks! Gail Finke - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit us in our new location! Brentwood Printing & Envelope, Inc. 8630 Winton Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45231 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phone: (513) 522.2679 Fax (513) 522.2692 Email: info@brentwood-printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.Brentwood-Printing.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Send us your file at: http://www.brentwood-printing.com/servicecenter/send_file.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Quick. Quality. Printing _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Fri Dec 14 12:24:51 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Fri Dec 14 12:25:25 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] DEXTER/LAWSON CUTTER PARTS Message-ID: Rick what can I say. But the Bless his Heart is killing me. LOL : ) Good luck Tommy **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From slb at inkspot.net Fri Dec 14 12:42:46 2007 From: slb at inkspot.net (Steve Blatman) Date: Fri Dec 14 12:43:42 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] DEXTER/LAWSON CUTTER PARTS In-Reply-To: <024301c83e75$765cfb40$0301a8c0@RICK> References: Message-ID: <47627A46.2663.12BFCDD1@slb.inkspot.net> A friend in college used to use the phrase "bless his pointed little head." Steve > > I am hoping someone can help me with this.. My 42" Dexter Lawson cutter > which has 3 eyes. My bindery guy Bless his heart was doing some preventive > Maintenance and broke the eye and bracket I have been looking like a fool > locally to no avail. Wonder if anybody knows of a dealer or person who > carries parts for this machine. > > Thanks in advance. > > > Rick Bird > Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. > 3649 California Road > Orchard Park, Ny 14127 > (716) 662-1515 > (716) 662-5917 - Fax > gamble@choiceonemail.com - email > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2724 (20071214) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Fri Dec 14 13:28:20 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Fri Dec 14 13:28:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Oh great day of days!!!! Yee Haw!!!! Message-ID: Oh great day of days!!!! Yee Haw!!!! Another one advances up to the next level. Yaa hoo, and I'm very glad you posted your experience here. It can and is being done coast to coast. Maybe this time next year, Johns' color pricing survey will NOT include the low margin companies, they will have finally realized it takes no extra effort to become much more profitable. Thanks again Joe, this may be the post of the century! LT Tucson Message: 7 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:30:31 -0700 From: Dominick's Printing > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] new way of thinking To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Message-ID: <47622307.8080904@fmtc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Thank you to everyone that replied to my question. For the last week, we have done nothing but what Scott first replied below. I started this thread on the 8th, and on the 11th, began the process of "value pricing". Instead of "we have a new faster less expensive machine" it has become "we have the best, latest technology, and your digital prints will be perfect." Then price it accordingly. To this day, we have not lost a single job due to price. Only one due to "out of that paper", and the other because we do not print from "printshop" software. We did a 3000 4/4 job on 80# gloss same day for one customer. We even offered to fold them "free". To quote him as he asked us about the order; "there is no printer that can do this, I have to be on the plane tomorrow morning at 6 am. How many can you have ready?" Job done by the afternoon, and he was so happy, brought the entire crew cinnamon rolls! Dare I tell you all the price??? $2000. Do I feel like I overcharged? No! I provided a service that "no other printer can do" (insert large grin here!) He accepted my quote, we are all happy. In the morning I sign the purchase agreement for this Xerox 252. I see it being more profitable than any color machine I have ever owned. Even when I was charging $1.99 per color copy... For what its worth for anyone looking at machines, the "off the glass" copies of photos rival the CLC 1120 quality. Thanks again for all the replies. Merry Christmas to everyone. Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! Scott Cappel wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > Yes, you are thinking in the totally wrong direction. > > Instead of concocting ways to determine how low you can go by > calculating costs and then thinking about how little you can charge, > think about the value you provide and what the market will bear and > charge appropriately. From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Fri Dec 14 13:38:14 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Fri Dec 14 13:38:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bulk Mail permit search Message-ID: Hi.....is there a way I can find out who the permit holder is based on their permit number and city/state which is on a postcard I recently rec' Thanks in advance, Larry Desert Pacific Printing Tucson From brianoday at eprint.us Fri Dec 14 13:37:22 2007 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Fri Dec 14 13:39:13 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon Wide Format Color In-Reply-To: <47622417.4030502@fmtc.com> References: <47622417.4030502@fmtc.com> Message-ID: <00de01c83e80$5dc337b0$800101df@eprint.local> Just bought one it is FANTAASTIC! Since it has been installed we have had no issues and it has been in for 6 months. The resolution and solids are close to perfect. With that said I have an Epson 5000 that I would sell cheap! I was at an auction a few days ago and got a deal I couldn't refuse. Brian O'Day ePrint 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dominick's Printing Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:35 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon Wide Format Color ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** I asked once before what wide format inkjet color printer, that printowners were using and got one reply. So I will be a little more specific. Anyone using the Canon IPF 8000? This is a 44" wide 12 color inkjet. Just doing some late night research... Joe Dominick Dominick's Quality Printing 542 W. Idaho Avenue Ontario Oregon 97914 541.881.1121 Fax 541.881.1599 www.dominicksprinting.com dominick@fmtc.com Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Fri Dec 14 13:52:47 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Fri Dec 14 13:54:20 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bulk Mail permit search In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Call USPS. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of larry Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 12:38 PM To: Printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Bulk Mail permit search ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hi.....is there a way I can find out who the permit holder is based on their permit number and city/state which is on a postcard I recently rec' Thanks in advance, Larry Desert Pacific Printing Tucson _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.08780 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.08780 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From ep101 at technaprint.com Fri Dec 14 14:04:11 2007 From: ep101 at technaprint.com (Eric Pearson) Date: Fri Dec 14 14:04:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] tpf file? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > We just got a file in with a .tpf extension. http://filext.com/file-extension/tpf Eric Pearson President/C.E.O. ------------ TechnaPrint, Inc. 909 Garfield Street Eugene, OR 97402-2706 (541) 344-4062 (541) 344-1765 Fax ep101@technaprint.com www.technaprint.com From sos at olympus.net Fri Dec 14 14:23:03 2007 From: sos at olympus.net (Dan Huntingford) Date: Fri Dec 14 14:23:39 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Oh great day of days!. . . or not so great References: Message-ID: <026701c83e86$bfa042b0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> >We did a 3000 4/4 job on 80# gloss same day for one customer. We even offered to fold them "free". To quote him as he asked us about the order; "there is no printer that can do this, I have to be on the plane tomorrow morning at 6 am. How many can you have ready?" Job done by the afternoon, and he was so happy, brought the entire crew cinnamon rolls! Dare I tell you all the price??? $2000. >Do I feel like I overcharged? No! I provided a service that "no other printer can do" (insert large grin here!) He accepted my quote, we are all happy. =================== More power to you Joe, but our price to print these on press is around $700.00 It could be printed and trimmed out and folded in a matter of 4 to 5 hours, allowing the ink to dry for a couple of those hours. Now if we had to print it digitally, our price would be more like $2400. 150 minutes run time, which would take all day what with being interrupted by small rush jobs, reloading paper, etc. I'm thinking these type of customers don't care a wit about a 20 to 40% upcharge to get what they want quicko quicko, but 300% upcharge may just rub them the wrong way when they find out another shop that is properly equipped to handle a job like that could do it just as fast at far lower cost. (Which may not be a problem for Joe in his small, isolated market.) Hey, maybe it's just my market, but our customers will shop a long time to find the best price on nearly everything. We just did a poster, 11x17, 1000 copies, very heavy coverage, turned out beautifully by the way, but the other part of the job was an 18 x 24 poster which we didn't get the job. That happens a lot. We get a part of several jobs, but the other parts are sent to whoever had the lowest price. Do things match? They don't care. Price price price. I've had four or five in the last couple days bring in other quotes for us to beat. They want to make sure we know they are shopping the jobs around. The ferry boats that bring tourists to our town have been taken off the run due to corrosion in the hulls. They were expected to be repaired and back in service in a few months but now they are saying they will be scrapped and new boats won't be built for years. Suddenly everyone is worried about money. The building boom is over, too. Took my daughter out to lunch the other day and we were the only ones in the restaurant. A popular, inexpensive Mexican restaurant. Interesting times. I spent a couple hours yesterday updating our paper prices. I've seen more paper price increases in the last 6 months than I've seen in the last 9 years. We had a very good month in November, i.e. 24% net, but overall this year sales are only up a couple percent verses our usual 8 to 10% increase each of the last 8 to 9 years. Despite cutting back one full time employee, our annual net isn't as strong as past few years either. Something is going on. Dan Huntingford SOS Printing 2319 Washington Street Port Townsend, WA 98368 Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF sos@olympus.net (360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 From robin at protypeonline.com Fri Dec 14 14:40:46 2007 From: robin at protypeonline.com (Robin Niewold) Date: Fri Dec 14 14:41:03 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] new way of thinking Message-ID: <4C7B6BE4-812C-457F-9FC6-10C9A4BDB6F5@protypeonline.com> Joe, Gosh I wish I had a population that would bring me customers like that. Maybe in 2008 as we venture into a larger market almost 50 miles from us with full-time, outside sales representation. At least that is my hope. Anyway, I completely subscribe to the value pricing concept -- started when I got on this list and then participated in my first pricing study. My prices were so low and I was making money but not lots. I did what others have done and preached ..."just do it". Prices raised and never a lost customer. Now I spend time selling service as the key value -- these print buyers deserve a break, they deserve to be treated like the most important customer we have -- they work hard and have better things to do with their time -- they deserve to spend a little more money and be pampered! Dare I say....they deserve to do business with us? We are just their buffet of printing services and all are welcome to "belly up to the bar"! :))))) Merry Christmas! robin Robin Niewold Pro-Type Printing 130 N. Market Street Paxton, IL 60957 217.379.4715 robin@protypeonline.com From smc at sorrentomesa.com Fri Dec 14 14:42:05 2007 From: smc at sorrentomesa.com (Scott Cappel) Date: Fri Dec 14 14:46:10 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Oh great day of days!. . . or not so great In-Reply-To: <026701c83e86$bfa042b0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> References: <026701c83e86$bfa042b0$0300a8c0@DANIEL> Message-ID: <200712141945.lBEJjr7n033728@i2bnetworks.com> Its called the pre-recession jitters. TO be followed next year by the "Jeez I don't have any more equity... I bet cut back on everything" driven "never happened before in an election year" recession of 2008. Bernake can cut all he wants....if nobody shows up, there ain't no party. Batten down the hatches, its going to be a bumpy ride..... S. At 11:23 AM 12/14/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >>We did a 3000 4/4 job on 80# gloss same day for one customer. We even >offered to fold them "free". To quote him as he asked us about the >order; "there is no printer that can do this, I have to be on the plane >tomorrow morning at 6 am. How many can you have ready?" Job done by the >afternoon, and he was so happy, brought the entire crew cinnamon rolls! >Dare I tell you all the price??? $2000. > >>Do I feel like I overcharged? No! I provided a service that "no other >printer can do" (insert large grin here!) He accepted my quote, we are >all happy. >=================== > >More power to you Joe, but our price to print these on press is >around $700.00 It could be printed and trimmed out and folded in a >matter of 4 to 5 hours, allowing the ink to dry for a couple of >those hours. Now if we had to print it digitally, our price would >be more like $2400. 150 minutes run time, which would take all day >what with being interrupted by small rush jobs, reloading paper, etc. > >I'm thinking these type of customers don't care a wit about a 20 to >40% upcharge to get what they want quicko quicko, but 300% upcharge >may just rub them the wrong way when they find out another shop that >is properly equipped to handle a job like that could do it just as >fast at far lower cost. (Which may not be a problem for Joe in his >small, isolated market.) >Hey, maybe it's just my market, but our customers will shop a long >time to find the best price on nearly everything. We just did a >poster, 11x17, 1000 copies, very heavy coverage, turned out >beautifully by the way, but the other part of the job was an 18 x 24 >poster which we didn't get the job. That happens a lot. We get a >part of several jobs, but the other parts are sent to whoever had >the lowest price. >Do things match? They don't care. Price price price. >I've had four or five in the last couple days bring in other quotes >for us to beat. They want to make sure we know they are shopping >the jobs around. >The ferry boats that bring tourists to our town have been taken off >the run due to corrosion in the hulls. They were expected to be >repaired and back in service in a few months but now they are saying >they will be scrapped and new boats won't be built for >years. Suddenly everyone is worried about money. The building boom >is over, too. Took my daughter out to lunch the other day and we >were the only ones in the restaurant. A popular, inexpensive Mexican >restaurant. >Interesting times. > >I spent a couple hours yesterday updating our paper prices. I've >seen more paper price increases in the last 6 months than I've seen >in the last 9 years. >We had a very good month in November, i.e. 24% net, but overall this >year sales are only up a couple percent verses our usual 8 to 10% >increase each of the last 8 to 9 years. Despite cutting back one >full time employee, our annual net isn't as strong as past few years >either. Something is going on. > >Dan Huntingford >SOS Printing >2319 Washington Street >Port Townsend, WA 98368 >Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF >sos@olympus.net >(360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2724 (20071214) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Fri Dec 14 14:47:10 2007 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Fri Dec 14 14:47:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon Wide Format Color In-Reply-To: <00de01c83e80$5dc337b0$800101df@eprint.local> References: <47622417.4030502@fmtc.com> <00de01c83e80$5dc337b0$800101df@eprint.local> Message-ID: We just invested in a new HP Z6100, and I tortured myself looking at every freaking possible large format machine I could get my hands. Truth be told I never made up my mind definitely. I got a z6100 to "test" in house, and after a month a half, we were satisfied it was going to do whatever we needed it to. Everyone loves whatever they have when it comes to large format. While we are very happy with the Z6100, I wish there was a true leader in the market, which I currently don't believe there is. The Canon and HP are awesome machines. Honestly I think if it wasn't for the Canon HP wouldn't have felt the need to come out with the z6100. Make some test files of your own, and put them out on each machine. That will be your best test. The best advise I have for you though, is get the 60". Its my only regret. We are packed as tightly as any shop you've seen. My dad always jokes it physically impossible, and if had someone plan it out they'd say we couldn't do it. If I was going at it again, I would have found a way to make it fit. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com On Dec 14, 2007, at 1:37 PM, Brian O'Day wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Just bought one it is FANTAASTIC! Since it has been installed we > have had no > issues and it has been in for 6 months. The resolution and solids > are close > to perfect. > With that said I have an Epson 5000 that I would sell cheap! I was > at an > auction a few days ago and got a deal I couldn't refuse. > > Brian O'Day > ePrint > 9970 SW Greenburg Rd > Portland, Oregon > brianoday@eprint.us > 503-684-2679 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dominick's > Printing > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:35 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon Wide Format Color > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I asked once before what wide format inkjet color printer, that > printowners were using and got one reply. So I will be a little more > specific. > > Anyone using the Canon IPF 8000? This is a 44" wide 12 color inkjet. > > Just doing some late night research... > > Joe Dominick > > Dominick's Quality Printing > 542 W. Idaho Avenue > Ontario Oregon 97914 > 541.881.1121 > Fax 541.881.1599 > > www.dominicksprinting.com > dominick@fmtc.com > > Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider > Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From davek at epgvl.com Fri Dec 14 14:58:10 2007 From: davek at epgvl.com (Dave Knapp) Date: Fri Dec 14 14:56:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] DEXTER/LAWSON CUTTER PARTS In-Reply-To: <47627A46.2663.12BFCDD1@slb.inkspot.net> Message-ID: <008d01c83e8b$a759b6f0$9dfea8c0@DAVE> In the South, Bless his/her heart has a slightly different meaning. Read to the end and you'll see. A Southerner knows Only a Southerner knows the difference between a hissie fit and a conniption fit, and that you don't "HAVE" them but "PITCH" them. Only a Southerner knows how many fish, collard greens, turnip greens, peas, beans, etc., make up "a mess." Only a Southerner can show or point out to you the general direction of "yonder." Only a Southerner knows exactly how long "directly" is - as in: "Going to town, be back directly." Even Southern babies know that "Gimme some sugar" is not a request for the white, granular sweet substance that sits in a pretty little bowl on the middle of the table. All Southerners know exactly when "by and by" is. They might not use the term, but they know the concept well. Only a Southerner knows instinctively that the best gesture of solace for a neighbor who's got trouble is a plate of hot fried chicken and a big bowl of cold potato salad. If the neighbor's trouble is a real crisis, they also know to add a large banana puddin! Only Southerners grow up knowing the difference between "right near" and "a right far piece." They also know that "just down the road" can be 1 mile or 20. Only a Southerner, both knows and understands, the difference between a redneck, a good ol' boy, and po' white trash. No true Southerner would ever assume that the car with the flashing turn signal is actually going to make a turn. A Southerner knows that "fixin" can be used as a noun, a verb, or an adverb. Only Southerners make friends while standing in lines. We don't do "queues," we do "lines"; and when we're "in line," we talk to everybody! Put 100 Southerners in a room and half of them will discover they're related, even if only by marriage. Southerners never refer to one person as "ya'll." Southerners know grits come from corn and how to eat them. Every Southerner knows tomatoes with eggs, bacon, grits, and coffee are perfectly wonderful; that red eye gravy is also a breakfast food; and that fried green tomatoes are not a breakfast food. When you hear someone say, "Well, I caught myself lookin'," you know you are in the presence of a genuine Southerner! Only true Southerners say "sweet tea" and "sweet milk." Sweet tea indicates the need for sugar and lots of it -- we do not like our tea unsweetened. "Sweet milk" means you don't want buttermilk. And a true Southerner knows you don't scream obscenities at little old ladies who drive 30 MPH on the freeway. You just say, "Bless her heart" and go your own way. SOUTHERNESS - Someone once noted that a Southerner can get away with the most awful kind of insult just as long as it's prefaced with the words, "Bless her heart" or "Bless his heart." As in: "Bless his heart, if they put his brain on the head of a pin, it'd roll around like a BB on a six lane highway." Or: "Bless her heart, she's so blind, she couldn't see the moon shine." There are also the sneakier ones: "You know, it's amazing that even though she had that baby 7 months after they were married, bless her heart, it weighed 10 pounds." As long as the heart is sufficiently blessed, the insult can't be all that bad. I was thinking about this the other day when a friend was telling about her new Northern friend who was upset because her toddler is just beginning to talk and he has a Southern accent. My friend, who is very kind and, bless her heart, cannot do a thing about those thighs of hers, was justifiably miffed about this. After all, this woman had CHOSEN to move to the South a couple of years ago. "Can you believe it?" she said to her friend. "A child of mine is going to be taaaallllkkin' liiiike thiiiissss." Now, don't get me wrong, some of my dearest friends are from the North, bless their hearts. I welcome their perspective, their friendships and their recipes for authentic Northern Italian food. I've even gotten past their endless complaints that you can't find good bread down here. And the heathens, bless their hearts, don't like cornbread! The ones that really gore my ox are the native Southerners who have begun to act almost embarrassed about their speech. We've already lost too much! I was raised to swanee, not swear, but you hardly ever hear anyone say that anymore, I swanee you don't. And I've caught myself thinking twice before saying something is "right much"; "right close" or "right good" because non-natives think this is right funny indeed. I have a friend from Bawston who thinks it's hilarious when I say I've got to "carry" my daughter to the doctor or "cut off" the light. She also gets a giggle every time I am "fixing" to do something. And, bless their hearts, they don't know where "over yonder" is, or what, "I reckon" means. My personal favorite was my aunt saying, "Bless her heart, she can't help being ugly, but she could've stayed home." And to those of you who are still having a hard time understanding all this Southern stuff, bless your hearts, I hear they are fixin' to have classes on Southernness as a second language! And for those that are not from the South but have lived here for a long time, ya'll need a sign to hang on ya'lls front porch that reads "I aint from the South but I got here as fast as I could." Bless your hearts, ya'll have a blessed day. Please note new information: Dave Knapp Express Press 501B Richardson Street Simpsonville, SC 29681 864/757-9652 864/757-9654 Fax DaveK@epgvl.com www.epgvl.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blatman Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 12:43 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] DEXTER/LAWSON CUTTER PARTS ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** A friend in college used to use the phrase "bless his pointed little head." Steve > > I am hoping someone can help me with this.. My 42" Dexter Lawson cutter > which has 3 eyes. My bindery guy Bless his heart was doing some preventive > Maintenance and broke the eye and bracket I have been looking like a fool > locally to no avail. Wonder if anybody knows of a dealer or person who > carries parts for this machine. > > Thanks in advance. > > > Rick Bird > Gamble Printing & Mailing Inc. > 3649 California Road > Orchard Park, Ny 14127 > (716) 662-1515 > (716) 662-5917 - Fax > gamble@choiceonemail.com - email > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > __________ NOD32 2724 (20071214) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Steve Blatman Ink Spot Printing & Copy Center, Inc. 14 Church Road, Frazer, PA 19355 USA Tel: 610-647-0776 Fax: 610-647-4560 _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Fri Dec 14 15:01:14 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Fri Dec 14 15:01:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon Wide Format Color In-Reply-To: <200712141445.lBEEjoRG098484@pro35.abac.com> References: <47622417.4030502@fmtc.com> <200712141445.lBEEjoRG098484@pro35.abac.com> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0712141201v633d7f3ctc04ac123b6cc1563@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 14, 2007 9:47 AM, Dick Latson wrote: > > As an aside, in all my years in this industry (30) this wide format > has got to be one of the most confusing and difficult pieces of > machinery I have ever researched. The above post is a perfect > example, IPF? what the heck is IPF I find that nowhere in the > information I have been getting from my Canon dealer. Then there are > the considerations of cost per foot, ink types, substrates, throat > width, dpi, scanners, software, speed, cost, on and on. It makes my > head spin. Perhaps I am making it out to be more of an issue than it > is. I would guess you are overthinking this one. (IPF? It's either 12, or else it's simply the Canon model name.) Your questions should be addressed toward capability: what types of prints do you want to be able to do? Meanwhile, let me (over)simplify this: Unless your applications involve high volume and a lot of outdoor usage, you can't go wrong with the industry standard -- the most current HP Deignjet model (currently, the Z6100, or the previous defacto HP standard in our industry: the 5500). The Canons are another safe bet. A model using UV ink will be your best bet in terms of versatility. There are many others on the market; there's solvent ink (more costly machines, lower operating costs, quality not as high as inkjet). If what you want to be able to do is mostly posters and banners, these HPs and the Canons mentioned will do everything you need, are competitively priced, and have readily available service (of which you won't need much). Among the HP line, you can compare models here: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF02a/18972-18972-3328061.html You'll also need a RIP. For simple needs, HP's built-in RIP is more than adequate. For more speed and versatility in ganging up and nesting prints and color control, choose one of the common external RIPs like Onyx PosterMaker or Wasatch. Media can be confusing if you let it be. The choices are mind-boggling, and trying to find someone who can explain the nuanced differences will likely prove futile. The good news is that it doesn't matter, and you can easily get by with two or three stock items, just making sure that they are compatible with your particular printer. Costing of consumables would be near impossible, because although it's easy to figure the per square foot cost of media, it's virtually impossible to figure ink usage. But HP has a simple and very useful calculator for this function here: https://h41186.www4.hp.com/country/us/en/supplies/roi_calculator.html that lets you estimate cost on any of their equipment. HTH. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon Everybody is certainly entitled to their own opinions; there's just not much point in it if you're wrong. ~Rush Limbaugh From bob at gallagherprint.com Fri Dec 14 15:06:29 2007 From: bob at gallagherprint.com (Bob Gallagher) Date: Fri Dec 14 15:06:47 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] DEXTER/LAWSON CUTTER PARTS In-Reply-To: <024301c83e75$765cfb40$0301a8c0@RICK> Message-ID: On 12/14/07 12:19 PM, "Rick Bird" wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > I am hoping someone can help me with this.. My 42" Dexter Lawson cutter > which has 3 eyes. My bindery guy Bless his heart was doing some preventive > Maintenance and broke the eye and bracket I have been looking like a fool > locally to no avail. Wonder if anybody knows of a dealer or person who > carries parts for this machine. > Try Colter and Peterson in New Jersey. Bob Gallagher Gallagher Printing, Inc. 601 W. Main Street Palmyra, PA 17078 717-838-1527 1-888-838-1527 Fax 717-838-5715 http://www.gallagherprint.com An Adobe Service Provider A Microsoft Publisher Provider Member, Adobe Solutions Network From mail at myprinter.biz Fri Dec 14 15:38:58 2007 From: mail at myprinter.biz (mail@myprinter.biz) Date: Fri Dec 14 15:39:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Oh great day of days!. . . or not so great In-Reply-To: <200712141945.lBEJjr7n033728@i2bnetworks.com> Message-ID: Scott - You could be right, and I, too, have a case of "pre-recession jitters" that's affecting my purchasing and saving planning (interestingly, widespread recession fears can become a self-fulfilling reality, and if Bernake can change people's minds, it will have some effect), but the truth is that nobody really knows either whether a recession's coming or not, how deep it will be if it comes, how long it will last, or what the timing, speed and strength of the recovery will be like. Anybody that really consistently knew about things like that wouldn't be telling anybody (the people that market prognostications are following the maxim that you can make a lot more money by selling advice than you can by following it) or would have such an investor following that they wouldn't be able to make the slightest move in any market before being killed in the stampede. (Much like Chief White Halfoat in Catch 22: Wherever his tribe settled, oil was discovered and they were promptly kicked off the land, until, eventually, they awoke to find their teepees ringed by oil exploration companies waiting to move with them.) I've got about as much faith in financial forecasts as I do in medium-term weather forecasts, which is to say close to none. In the current case, not even a full blown depression's out of the question, because, from a purely cyclic timing point of view, we're long overdue, and there's lots of debt in what could be accurately described as "weak hands." The latter is a classic set-up, historically, for truly hard economic times. ...but the truth is that I don't know, either. "Prudent planning" (whatever-the-hell that means) is about the best any of us can do. Worrying about it won't help, so have a nice weekend. Dan Sir Speedy Printing Center 5845 Hollywood Boulevard Hollywood, FL 33021 tel. 954.962.1309 fax 954.962.1366 dan@myprinter.biz www.myprinter.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org]On Behalf Of Scott Cappel Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 2:42 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Oh great day of days!. . . or not so great ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Its called the pre-recession jitters. TO be followed next year by the "Jeez I don't have any more equity... I bet cut back on everything" driven "never happened before in an election year" recession of 2008. Bernake can cut all he wants....if nobody shows up, there ain't no party. Batten down the hatches, its going to be a bumpy ride..... S. At 11:23 AM 12/14/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >>We did a 3000 4/4 job on 80# gloss same day for one customer. We even >offered to fold them "free". To quote him as he asked us about the >order; "there is no printer that can do this, I have to be on the plane >tomorrow morning at 6 am. How many can you have ready?" Job done by the >afternoon, and he was so happy, brought the entire crew cinnamon rolls! >Dare I tell you all the price??? $2000. > >>Do I feel like I overcharged? No! I provided a service that "no other >printer can do" (insert large grin here!) He accepted my quote, we are >all happy. >=================== > >More power to you Joe, but our price to print these on press is >around $700.00 It could be printed and trimmed out and folded in a >matter of 4 to 5 hours, allowing the ink to dry for a couple of >those hours. Now if we had to print it digitally, our price would >be more like $2400. 150 minutes run time, which would take all day >what with being interrupted by small rush jobs, reloading paper, etc. > >I'm thinking these type of customers don't care a wit about a 20 to >40% upcharge to get what they want quicko quicko, but 300% upcharge >may just rub them the wrong way when they find out another shop that >is properly equipped to handle a job like that could do it just as >fast at far lower cost. (Which may not be a problem for Joe in his >small, isolated market.) >Hey, maybe it's just my market, but our customers will shop a long >time to find the best price on nearly everything. We just did a >poster, 11x17, 1000 copies, very heavy coverage, turned out >beautifully by the way, but the other part of the job was an 18 x 24 >poster which we didn't get the job. That happens a lot. We get a >part of several jobs, but the other parts are sent to whoever had >the lowest price. >Do things match? They don't care. Price price price. >I've had four or five in the last couple days bring in other quotes >for us to beat. They want to make sure we know they are shopping >the jobs around. >The ferry boats that bring tourists to our town have been taken off >the run due to corrosion in the hulls. They were expected to be >repaired and back in service in a few months but now they are saying >they will be scrapped and new boats won't be built for >years. Suddenly everyone is worried about money. The building boom >is over, too. Took my daughter out to lunch the other day and we >were the only ones in the restaurant. A popular, inexpensive Mexican >restaurant. >Interesting times. > >I spent a couple hours yesterday updating our paper prices. I've >seen more paper price increases in the last 6 months than I've seen >in the last 9 years. >We had a very good month in November, i.e. 24% net, but overall this >year sales are only up a couple percent verses our usual 8 to 10% >increase each of the last 8 to 9 years. Despite cutting back one >full time employee, our annual net isn't as strong as past few years >either. Something is going on. > >Dan Huntingford >SOS Printing >2319 Washington Street >Port Townsend, WA 98368 >Member NAQP/NAPL/PIA/GATF >sos@olympus.net >(360) 385-4194 Fax (360) 385-5860 > > > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > >__________ NOD32 2724 (20071214) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > _____________________________________________ Scott Cappel Sorrento Mesa Printing 7398 Trade Street San Diego, CA 92121-2422 858-527-0800 858-527-1740 FAX http://www.sorrentomesa.com LinkedIn Profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrentomesa Direct Links for Learning: http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/educarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/techarchives.html http://www.sorrentomesa.com/extra/infoarchives.html Authorized QuarkAlliance Solutions Provider Authorized Adobe Solutions Network Provider Corel Approved Service Bureau Strategic Level Authorized Microsoft Publisher 2003 Solutions Provider Commercial and Digital Color Printing for San Diego _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From k_graham at hotmail.com Fri Dec 14 16:28:45 2007 From: k_graham at hotmail.com (k_graham@hotmail.com) Date: Fri Dec 14 16:29:01 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] numbering machines References: <001601c83d97$9a36fc70$3e00000a@Melissa> <8C290C03-2CF9-4648-8B94-3E9A8FE67F87@mauiprintworks.com> Message-ID: Rollem is not bad if you modify the eye to be centered by disassembling the current holder and modifying it as shown. The top part is held by a 20 cent u clamp as is used to hold electric wire. We-ve ran ours about 12 years this way. http://dc.communityprinters.com/procolor/uploads/rollem.jpg The above works on a unit that has a delay mechanism for the photocell timing, truly old Rollems did not have that. Also Item to be numbered should always be in the feed rollers, not relying on output Rollers to control the item. With light centered, stock can be fed from top, bottom or side so this can always happen - setup is much easier. The almost free version I made consists of right angle plastic used for holding suspended ceiling tile. Plus 2 or 3 hours of your time. What I like about the Rollem is the perf knocks the paper out and product can lie reasonably flat if you run an exit roller over the perf. Unlike our previous Soc Box. 2 part can be tricky to feed, keeping a good feed tongue is a good idea - you can get double duty by drilling the opposite end with your drill. Silicone o-rings need to be replaced often as well - A hydraulic repair shop sells them to us for about 2.50 each. Ken Graham CommunityPrinters.com 1020-103 ave. Dawson Creek BC Canada 250-782-7108 From owner at latsons.com Fri Dec 14 16:58:53 2007 From: owner at latsons.com (Dick Latson) Date: Fri Dec 14 16:57:11 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon Wide Format Color In-Reply-To: References: <47622417.4030502@fmtc.com> <00de01c83e80$5dc337b0$800101df@eprint.local> Message-ID: <200712142156.lBELuqpS059917@pro35.abac.com> Borzou, Assuming this is the same as a HP T610 I have been quoted $4,295. Delivered and installed. It is a 44 inch and has three of the numerals right. So hell if I know if we are comparing apples to apples. Why the *#!* would a company have a T610 and a z6100? What would be the difference! Good post, thanks. -Dick At 01:47 PM 12/14/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >We just invested in a new HP Z6100, and I tortured myself looking at >every freaking possible large format machine I could get my hands. >Truth be told I never made up my mind definitely. I got a z6100 to >"test" in house, and after a month a half, we were satisfied it was >going to do whatever we needed it to. Everyone loves whatever they >have when it comes to large format. While we are very happy with the >Z6100, I wish there was a true leader in the market, which I currently >don't believe there is. The Canon and HP are awesome machines. >Honestly I think if it wasn't for the Canon HP wouldn't have felt the >need to come out with the z6100. Make some test files of your own, >and put them out on each machine. That will be your best test. The >best advise I have for you though, is get the 60". Its my only >regret. We are packed as tightly as any shop you've seen. My dad >always jokes it physically impossible, and if had someone plan it out >they'd say we couldn't do it. If I was going at it again, I would >have found a way to make it fit. > >Borzou Azabdaftari >Falcon Print and Copy >1921 Gallows Road >Suite 150 >Vienna, VA 22182 >t.703.442.0124 >f.703.442.0134 >borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > >On Dec 14, 2007, at 1:37 PM, Brian O'Day wrote: > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>Just bought one it is FANTAASTIC! Since it has been installed we >>have had no >>issues and it has been in for 6 months. The resolution and solids >>are close >>to perfect. >>With that said I have an Epson 5000 that I would sell cheap! I was >>at an >>auction a few days ago and got a deal I couldn't refuse. >> >>Brian O'Day >>ePrint >>9970 SW Greenburg Rd >>Portland, Oregon >>brianoday@eprint.us >>503-684-2679 >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >>[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dominick's >>Printing >>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:35 PM >>To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >>Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon Wide Format Color >> >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >>I asked once before what wide format inkjet color printer, that >>printowners were using and got one reply. So I will be a little more >>specific. >> >>Anyone using the Canon IPF 8000? This is a 44" wide 12 color inkjet. >> >>Just doing some late night research... >> >>Joe Dominick >> >>Dominick's Quality Printing >>542 W. Idaho Avenue >>Ontario Oregon 97914 >>541.881.1121 >>Fax 541.881.1599 >> >>www.dominicksprinting.com >>dominick@fmtc.com >> >>Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider >>Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PrintOwners Discussion List >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> > >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: owner@latsons.com www.latsons.com From kellycrom at gmail.com Fri Dec 14 17:14:48 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Fri Dec 14 17:15:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon Wide Format Color In-Reply-To: <200712142156.lBELuqpS059917@pro35.abac.com> References: <47622417.4030502@fmtc.com><00de01c83e80$5dc337b0$800101df@eprint.local> <200712142156.lBELuqpS059917@pro35.abac.com> Message-ID: <016401c83e9e$c8820c20$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Dick, The "T" series printers seem to be geared more toward the CAD and technical drafting markets. The "Z" series are for the graphics market. The Z6100 has a built in spectrophotometer to do on board color calibration. It also prints with 8 inks vs the 6 inks in the T610. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dick Latson > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 3:59 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Canon Wide Format Color > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Borzou, > Assuming this is the same as a HP T610 I have been quoted $4,295. > Delivered and installed. It is a 44 inch and has three of the > numerals right. So hell if I know if we are comparing apples to > apples. Why the *#!* would a company have a T610 and a z6100? What > would be the difference! > Good post, thanks. > -Dick > > > At 01:47 PM 12/14/2007, you wrote: > >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >We just invested in a new HP Z6100, and I tortured myself looking at > >every freaking possible large format machine I could get my hands. > >Truth be told I never made up my mind definitely. I got a z6100 to > >"test" in house, and after a month a half, we were satisfied it was > >going to do whatever we needed it to. Everyone loves whatever they > >have when it comes to large format. While we are very happy with the > >Z6100, I wish there was a true leader in the market, which I > currently > >don't believe there is. The Canon and HP are awesome machines. > >Honestly I think if it wasn't for the Canon HP wouldn't have felt the > >need to come out with the z6100. Make some test files of your own, > >and put them out on each machine. That will be your best test. The > >best advise I have for you though, is get the 60". Its my only > >regret. We are packed as tightly as any shop you've seen. My dad > >always jokes it physically impossible, and if had someone plan it out > >they'd say we couldn't do it. If I was going at it again, I would > >have found a way to make it fit. > > > >Borzou Azabdaftari > >Falcon Print and Copy > >1921 Gallows Road > >Suite 150 > >Vienna, VA 22182 > >t.703.442.0124 > >f.703.442.0134 > >borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > > > > > >On Dec 14, 2007, at 1:37 PM, Brian O'Day wrote: > > > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> > >>Just bought one it is FANTAASTIC! Since it has been installed we > >>have had no > >>issues and it has been in for 6 months. The resolution and solids > >>are close > >>to perfect. > >>With that said I have an Epson 5000 that I would sell cheap! I was > >>at an > >>auction a few days ago and got a deal I couldn't refuse. > >> > >>Brian O'Day > >>ePrint > >>9970 SW Greenburg Rd > >>Portland, Oregon > >>brianoday@eprint.us > >>503-684-2679 > >> > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > >>[mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dominick's > >>Printing > >>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:35 PM > >>To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > >>Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon Wide Format Color > >> > >>***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> > >>I asked once before what wide format inkjet color printer, that > >>printowners were using and got one reply. So I will be a little more > >>specific. > >> > >>Anyone using the Canon IPF 8000? This is a 44" wide 12 color inkjet. > >> > >>Just doing some late night research... > >> > >>Joe Dominick > >> > >>Dominick's Quality Printing > >>542 W. Idaho Avenue > >>Ontario Oregon 97914 > >>541.881.1121 > >>Fax 541.881.1599 > >> > >>www.dominicksprinting.com > >>dominick@fmtc.com > >> > >>Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider > >>Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! > >>_______________________________________________ > >>PrintOwners Discussion List > >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>PrintOwners Discussion List > >>Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >>Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PrintOwners Discussion List > >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Dick Latson > Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. > 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 > Commerce, Texas 75428 > (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 > email: owner@latsons.com > www.latsons.com > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From owner at latsons.com Fri Dec 14 17:22:39 2007 From: owner at latsons.com (Dick Latson) Date: Fri Dec 14 17:20:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon Wide Format Color In-Reply-To: <98f5b19a0712141201v633d7f3ctc04ac123b6cc1563@mail.gmail.co m> References: <47622417.4030502@fmtc.com> <200712141445.lBEEjoRG098484@pro35.abac.com> <98f5b19a0712141201v633d7f3ctc04ac123b6cc1563@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200712142220.lBEMKdZA094810@pro35.abac.com> Michael, Thank you for a great post. You have confirmed lots of what I have learned and simplified what I was confusing for me. This list is great, I will never be able to give back even a portion of what I have received. I feel like a freeloader. Thanks to all. -Dick At 02:01 PM 12/14/2007, you wrote: >***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >On Dec 14, 2007 9:47 AM, Dick Latson wrote: > > > > As an aside, in all my years in this industry (30) this wide format > > has got to be one of the most confusing and difficult pieces of > > machinery I have ever researched. The above post is a perfect > > example, IPF? what the heck is IPF I find that nowhere in the > > information I have been getting from my Canon dealer. Then there are > > the considerations of cost per foot, ink types, substrates, throat > > width, dpi, scanners, software, speed, cost, on and on. It makes my > > head spin. Perhaps I am making it out to be more of an issue than it > > is. > > >I would guess you are overthinking this one. >(IPF? It's either 12, or else it's simply the Canon model name.) >Your questions should be addressed toward capability: what types of >prints do you want to be able to do? > >Meanwhile, let me (over)simplify this: > >Unless your applications involve high volume and a lot of outdoor >usage, you can't go wrong with the industry standard -- the most >current HP Deignjet model (currently, the Z6100, or the previous >defacto HP standard in our industry: the 5500). The Canons are another >safe bet. A model using UV ink will be your best bet in terms of >versatility. There are many others on the market; there's solvent ink >(more costly machines, lower operating costs, quality not as high as >inkjet). If what you want to be able to do is mostly posters and >banners, these HPs and the Canons mentioned will do everything you >need, are competitively priced, and have readily available service (of >which you won't need much). > >Among the HP line, you can compare models here: >http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF02a/18972-18972-3328061.html > > >You'll also need a RIP. For simple needs, HP's built-in RIP is more >than adequate. For more speed and versatility in ganging up and >nesting prints and color control, choose one of the common external >RIPs like Onyx PosterMaker or Wasatch. > >Media can be confusing if you let it be. The choices are >mind-boggling, and trying to find someone who can explain the nuanced >differences will likely prove futile. The good news is that it doesn't >matter, and you can easily get by with two or three stock items, just >making sure that they are compatible with your particular printer. > >Costing of consumables would be near impossible, because although it's >easy to figure the per square foot cost of media, it's virtually >impossible to figure ink usage. But HP has a simple and very useful >calculator for this function here: >https://h41186.www4.hp.com/country/us/en/supplies/roi_calculator.html >that lets you estimate cost on any of their equipment. > >HTH. > > >-- >Michael Vogel >Sir Speedy Printing >9 Research Drive >Milford, CT 06460 >tel 203-877-1231 >fax 203-878-2679 >mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com >www.eSirSpeedy.com >==================================== >Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to >criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. > ~Lord Bacon > >Everybody is certainly entitled to their own opinions; >there's just not much point in it if you're wrong. > ~Rush Limbaugh >_______________________________________________ >PrintOwners Discussion List >Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners Dick Latson Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 Commerce, Texas 75428 (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 email: owner@latsons.com www.latsons.com From cpyxpres at bellsouth.net Fri Dec 14 18:23:22 2007 From: cpyxpres at bellsouth.net (Ben Travis) Date: Fri Dec 14 18:23:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon Wide Format Color In-Reply-To: References: <47622417.4030502@fmtc.com> <00de01c83e80$5dc337b0$800101df@eprint.local> Message-ID: Along this thread, I have been offered a Canon iPF9000 (60" width) for $10,900. I can deduct another $1500 if I trade in my Epson Stylus Pro 7000 (24" width). They will throw in 1st year service which he says is $2450 per year and install free. Is this a good deal? Is it a good machine? Below is what the salesman said was included. This is configured with both rollers, the basket, and the expansion board (1st year service also included, which is $2,450/yr., and professional services install fees of $465). In the future, if the business grows, you can attach Contex or Colortrac scanner solutions to this printer in order to scan-to-e-mail/folder. Do those of you with wide format have service agreements? Thanks, Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Dec 14, 2007, at 2:47 PM, Borzou Azabdaftari wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We just invested in a new HP Z6100, and I tortured myself looking > at every freaking possible large format machine I could get my > hands. Truth be told I never made up my mind definitely. I got a > z6100 to "test" in house, and after a month a half, we were > satisfied it was going to do whatever we needed it to. Everyone > loves whatever they have when it comes to large format. While we > are very happy with the Z6100, I wish there was a true leader in > the market, which I currently don't believe there is. The Canon > and HP are awesome machines. Honestly I think if it wasn't for the > Canon HP wouldn't have felt the need to come out with the z6100. > Make some test files of your own, and put them out on each > machine. That will be your best test. The best advise I have for > you though, is get the 60". Its my only regret. We are packed as > tightly as any shop you've seen. My dad always jokes it physically > impossible, and if had someone plan it out they'd say we couldn't > do it. If I was going at it again, I would have found a way to > make it fit. > > Borzou Azabdaftari > Falcon Print and Copy > 1921 Gallows Road > Suite 150 > Vienna, VA 22182 > t.703.442.0124 > f.703.442.0134 > borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > > On Dec 14, 2007, at 1:37 PM, Brian O'Day wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Just bought one it is FANTAASTIC! Since it has been installed we >> have had no >> issues and it has been in for 6 months. The resolution and solids >> are close >> to perfect. >> With that said I have an Epson 5000 that I would sell cheap! I was >> at an >> auction a few days ago and got a deal I couldn't refuse. >> >> Brian O'Day >> ePrint >> 9970 SW Greenburg Rd >> Portland, Oregon >> brianoday@eprint.us >> 503-684-2679 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dominick's >> Printing >> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:35 PM >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon Wide Format Color >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I asked once before what wide format inkjet color printer, that >> printowners were using and got one reply. So I will be a little more >> specific. >> >> Anyone using the Canon IPF 8000? This is a 44" wide 12 color inkjet. >> >> Just doing some late night research... >> >> Joe Dominick >> >> Dominick's Quality Printing >> 542 W. Idaho Avenue >> Ontario Oregon 97914 >> 541.881.1121 >> Fax 541.881.1599 >> >> www.dominicksprinting.com >> dominick@fmtc.com >> >> Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider >> Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Fri Dec 14 18:36:33 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Fri Dec 14 18:36:46 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon Wide Format Color In-Reply-To: References: <47622417.4030502@fmtc.com> <00de01c83e80$5dc337b0$800101df@eprint.local> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0712141536l29832379h56e9384c0c983fca@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 14, 2007 6:23 PM, Ben Travis wrote: > > Do those of you with wide format have service agreements? No. These are (at least have been, in my experience) very low maintenance machines. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon Everybody is certainly entitled to their own opinions; there's just not much point in it if you're wrong. ~Rush Limbaugh From eatnsleepgolf at msn.com Sat Dec 15 02:09:18 2007 From: eatnsleepgolf at msn.com (larry) Date: Sat Dec 15 02:09:19 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Provocative reply Message-ID: Jeeze, what a concept: the phone book. Why didn't I think of that? No need for the PO list afterall. I did get a provocative answer and when I co LT >>>>>Call USPS. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of larry Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 12:38 PM To: Printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Bulk Mail permit search ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hi.....is there a way I can find out who the permit holder is based on their permit number and city/state which is on a postcard I recently rec' Thanks in advance, From John at mpcny.com Sat Dec 15 08:27:03 2007 From: John at mpcny.com (John Henry) Date: Sat Dec 15 08:27:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Scam hit me also FW: URGENT ORDER. Message-ID: <010501c83f1e$2e9fc310$8bdf4930$@com> Just got this request, the fun part is they sent it BCC to me. I guess they have spammed printer?s lists. I am not responding I wonder if I told him I would do the job as an donation if he pays the paper and shipping in advance he will respond? John M. Henry Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company 125-129 East First Street Oswego, New York 13126 (315) 343-3531 (315) 343-3577 Fax www.mpcny.com John@mpcny.com!!! From: Bishop Grant [mailto:bishop.grant44@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 6:12 AM To: phillip@alliedprnt.com Subject: URGENT ORDER. Attention . My name is Bishop Grant and I will like to Inform you that I will like to Order Flyers and Below is the Information I'm in Need: 8.5 x 11 Brochures. 4/4 on 100# Gloss Text. Text: Save The Children. Quantity: 70,000 Pieces. Color: Black Text on White Paper. 1 Sided Folded. So that's the Flyers I am looking for and also I will like you to go ahead and e-mail me back with the total Price of the Flyers and the Types of Payments you do accept so that I can go ahead and Proceed with my Order. So get back to me via email with the Total Cost then we can Proceed ... Hope to hear from you and have a Nice working day. Provide me with your Direct Contact Number so I can get Intouch with you anytime. Best Regards Bishop Grant. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.2/1184 - Release Date: 12/14/2007 11:29 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.2/1184 - Release Date: 12/14/2007 11:29 AM From david.doost at gmail.com Sat Dec 15 08:39:27 2007 From: david.doost at gmail.com (David Doost) Date: Sat Dec 15 08:39:33 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon Wide Format Color In-Reply-To: References: <47622417.4030502@fmtc.com> <00de01c83e80$5dc337b0$800101df@eprint.local> Message-ID: <4763d907.365f260a.2b44.7166@mx.google.com> Ben, In the past 10 + years we have bought large format printers- have .never been charged an installation fee. Also never bought maint. service. In our experience with HP, Epson, Roland brands -they were all low maintenance machines. We found a local authorized tech to work on them for the few times we did have a need - probably 3 or 4 times over all the years. Don't know about Canon longevity. Your price sounds close to the quotes we received when we were considering it and it compares favorably with the HP z6100 with their $3K trade-in rebate (we just upgraded to this). David Doost Printing Impression 1200 Barrett Pkwy Suite 4 Kennesaw, GA 30144 www.printingimpression.net -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Ben Travis Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 6:23 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Canon Wide Format Color ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Along this thread, I have been offered a Canon iPF9000 (60" width) for $10,900. I can deduct another $1500 if I trade in my Epson Stylus Pro 7000 (24" width). They will throw in 1st year service which he says is $2450 per year and install free. Is this a good deal? Is it a good machine? Below is what the salesman said was included. This is configured with both rollers, the basket, and the expansion board (1st year service also included, which is $2,450/yr., and professional services install fees of $465). In the future, if the business grows, you can attach Contex or Colortrac scanner solutions to this printer in order to scan-to-e-mail/folder. Do those of you with wide format have service agreements? Thanks, Ben Travis Copy Express 4004-A South Blvd. Charlotte, NC 20209 cpyxpres@bellsouth.net 704-527-1750 On Dec 14, 2007, at 2:47 PM, Borzou Azabdaftari wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We just invested in a new HP Z6100, and I tortured myself looking > at every freaking possible large format machine I could get my > hands. Truth be told I never made up my mind definitely. I got a > z6100 to "test" in house, and after a month a half, we were > satisfied it was going to do whatever we needed it to. Everyone > loves whatever they have when it comes to large format. While we > are very happy with the Z6100, I wish there was a true leader in > the market, which I currently don't believe there is. The Canon > and HP are awesome machines. Honestly I think if it wasn't for the > Canon HP wouldn't have felt the need to come out with the z6100. > Make some test files of your own, and put them out on each > machine. That will be your best test. The best advise I have for > you though, is get the 60". Its my only regret. We are packed as > tightly as any shop you've seen. My dad always jokes it physically > impossible, and if had someone plan it out they'd say we couldn't > do it. If I was going at it again, I would have found a way to > make it fit. > > Borzou Azabdaftari > Falcon Print and Copy > 1921 Gallows Road > Suite 150 > Vienna, VA 22182 > t.703.442.0124 > f.703.442.0134 > borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > > On Dec 14, 2007, at 1:37 PM, Brian O'Day wrote: > >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> Just bought one it is FANTAASTIC! Since it has been installed we >> have had no >> issues and it has been in for 6 months. The resolution and solids >> are close >> to perfect. >> With that said I have an Epson 5000 that I would sell cheap! I was >> at an >> auction a few days ago and got a deal I couldn't refuse. >> >> Brian O'Day >> ePrint >> 9970 SW Greenburg Rd >> Portland, Oregon >> brianoday@eprint.us >> 503-684-2679 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dominick's >> Printing >> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:35 PM >> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >> Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon Wide Format Color >> >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> I asked once before what wide format inkjet color printer, that >> printowners were using and got one reply. So I will be a little more >> specific. >> >> Anyone using the Canon IPF 8000? This is a 44" wide 12 color inkjet. >> >> Just doing some late night research... >> >> Joe Dominick >> >> Dominick's Quality Printing >> 542 W. Idaho Avenue >> Ontario Oregon 97914 >> 541.881.1121 >> Fax 541.881.1599 >> >> www.dominicksprinting.com >> dominick@fmtc.com >> >> Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider >> Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From VillagePrinting1 at aol.com Sat Dec 15 12:28:53 2007 From: VillagePrinting1 at aol.com (VillagePrinting1@aol.com) Date: Sat Dec 15 12:29:15 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon Wide Format Color Message-ID: I went to the SGIA show in Orlando & had my mind fixed on Mimaki & Mutoh. Both X-cellent units. But the one that stood out the most was the Mutoh. For those that have units in placed now, know about the terror of having banding problems. I had a test for them to run on this unit that causes havoc on my machine. They have an interweaving process that virtually eliminates banding. Plus amazing quality. Just my opinion, but these are both work horse units. Capable of printing well on many different substrates. Tommy **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From acepm2 at gmail.com Sat Dec 15 17:10:27 2007 From: acepm2 at gmail.com (Thom Gulyas) Date: Sat Dec 15 17:10:38 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Bulk Mail permit search In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sure, just call the PO where it is registered. Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing www.acepm.com On Dec 14, 2007 1:38 PM, larry wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Hi.....is there a way I can find out who the permit holder is based on > their permit number and city/state which is on a postcard I recently rec' > > Thanks in advance, > > Larry > Desert Pacific Printing > Tucson > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Thom Gulyas ACE Printing & Mailing Berlin, Maryland 21811 www.acepm.com From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Sun Dec 16 18:03:41 2007 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Sun Dec 16 18:04:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon Wide Format Color In-Reply-To: <200712142156.lBELuqpS059917@pro35.abac.com> References: <47622417.4030502@fmtc.com> <00de01c83e80$5dc337b0$800101df@eprint.local> <200712142156.lBELuqpS059917@pro35.abac.com> Message-ID: I'm kind of hazarding a guess here Dick, but I think the z6100 is the production version, and has more inks, so probably better color. To make it a color copier comparison, its would someone need a Xerox 250 and a 6060. They both do the same thing essentially, but one is more expensive, but does more faster. Does that sound right to everyone? Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com On Dec 14, 2007, at 4:58 PM, Dick Latson wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Borzou, > Assuming this is the same as a HP T610 I have been quoted $4,295. > Delivered and installed. It is a 44 inch and has three of the > numerals right. So hell if I know if we are comparing apples to > apples. Why the *#!* would a company have a T610 and a z6100? What > would be the difference! > Good post, thanks. > -Dick > > > At 01:47 PM 12/14/2007, you wrote: >> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >> >> We just invested in a new HP Z6100, and I tortured myself looking at >> every freaking possible large format machine I could get my hands. >> Truth be told I never made up my mind definitely. I got a z6100 to >> "test" in house, and after a month a half, we were satisfied it was >> going to do whatever we needed it to. Everyone loves whatever they >> have when it comes to large format. While we are very happy with the >> Z6100, I wish there was a true leader in the market, which I >> currently >> don't believe there is. The Canon and HP are awesome machines. >> Honestly I think if it wasn't for the Canon HP wouldn't have felt the >> need to come out with the z6100. Make some test files of your own, >> and put them out on each machine. That will be your best test. The >> best advise I have for you though, is get the 60". Its my only >> regret. We are packed as tightly as any shop you've seen. My dad >> always jokes it physically impossible, and if had someone plan it out >> they'd say we couldn't do it. If I was going at it again, I would >> have found a way to make it fit. >> >> Borzou Azabdaftari >> Falcon Print and Copy >> 1921 Gallows Road >> Suite 150 >> Vienna, VA 22182 >> t.703.442.0124 >> f.703.442.0134 >> borzou@falconprintandcopy.com >> >> >> >> On Dec 14, 2007, at 1:37 PM, Brian O'Day wrote: >> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> Just bought one it is FANTAASTIC! Since it has been installed we >>> have had no >>> issues and it has been in for 6 months. The resolution and solids >>> are close >>> to perfect. >>> With that said I have an Epson 5000 that I would sell cheap! I was >>> at an >>> auction a few days ago and got a deal I couldn't refuse. >>> >>> Brian O'Day >>> ePrint >>> 9970 SW Greenburg Rd >>> Portland, Oregon >>> brianoday@eprint.us >>> 503-684-2679 >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org >>> [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Dominick's >>> Printing >>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:35 PM >>> To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only >>> Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon Wide Format Color >>> >>> ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** >>> >>> I asked once before what wide format inkjet color printer, that >>> printowners were using and got one reply. So I will be a little more >>> specific. >>> >>> Anyone using the Canon IPF 8000? This is a 44" wide 12 color inkjet. >>> >>> Just doing some late night research... >>> >>> Joe Dominick >>> >>> Dominick's Quality Printing >>> 542 W. Idaho Avenue >>> Ontario Oregon 97914 >>> 541.881.1121 >>> Fax 541.881.1599 >>> >>> www.dominicksprinting.com >>> dominick@fmtc.com >>> >>> Ontario's ONLY Authorized Adobe Service Provider >>> Microsoft Publisher Files Welcome Here! >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PrintOwners Discussion List >>> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >>> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PrintOwners Discussion List >> Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org >> Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > Dick Latson > Latson's Printing & Office Supply, Inc. > 1105 Main Street / P.O. Box 701 > Commerce, Texas 75428 > (903) 886-2710 or Fax 886-7889 > email: owner@latsons.com > www.latsons.com > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Mon Dec 17 08:50:32 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Mon Dec 17 08:52:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Provocative reply In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What is the problem Larry? You asked a legitimate question and I gave you a legitimate answer. If that isn't the answer you want, I'm sorry for that. If you already knew to call the post office where it was sent from, why didn't you say you wanted some other way to find the info? It's responses like you gave that cause people to leave this list, or at least not reply to questions asked. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of larry Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 1:09 AM To: Printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Provocative reply ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Jeeze, what a concept: the phone book. Why didn't I think of that? No need for the PO list afterall. I did get a provocative answer and when I co LT >>>>>Call USPS. Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of larry Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 12:38 PM To: Printowners Subject: [PrintOwners] Bulk Mail permit search ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Hi.....is there a way I can find out who the permit holder is based on their permit number and city/state which is on a postcard I recently rec' Thanks in advance, _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.08790 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.08790 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From terry at qqprint.clearwire.net Mon Dec 17 10:49:32 2007 From: terry at qqprint.clearwire.net (Terry) Date: Mon Dec 17 10:50:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Canon C1 Press Message-ID: <47669A8C.9040206@qqprint.clearwire.net> We are considering a Canon C1 press/copier. I have a concern about the paper curl that I've seen on the demos. Is this something that is easily corrected as the sales rep. says? What about a Xero DocuColor 242? We are a quick print / copy service and use our machine for short run color & business cards. Terry QQP From printer at ptialaska.net Mon Dec 17 12:33:24 2007 From: printer at ptialaska.net (Charles A. Lincoln) Date: Mon Dec 17 12:34:21 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for Kringles Message-ID: Years ago someone on the list recommended some homemade Kringles and I cannot remember the company. They were delicious and I am looking for a gift. Thanks, _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From mark at pipsturgeonbay.com Mon Dec 17 12:50:57 2007 From: mark at pipsturgeonbay.com (Mark Lake) Date: Mon Dec 17 12:52:58 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for Kringles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Locally, we get from here http://www.kringle.com/. They are in all the grocery stores. Says they now ship to Alaska too! Mark Lake PIP Printing 368 Jefferson Street Sturgeon Bay, WI 54235 920.743.7370 920.743.4633 Fax www.pipsturgeonbay.com Mark@pipsturgeonbay.com To send a file to us, please use the link below http://www.pip.com/Center/SendFile.asp?AddressID=845 -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Charles A. Lincoln Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 11:33 AM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for Kringles ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Years ago someone on the list recommended some homemade Kringles and I cannot remember the company. They were delicious and I am looking for a gift. Thanks, _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Charles Lincoln ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY 612 30th Avenue Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 (907) 451-1111 fax (907) 451-4511 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.08800 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.08800 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From lbaribeau at paragon-print.com Mon Dec 17 13:48:53 2007 From: lbaribeau at paragon-print.com (Linda Baribeau) Date: Mon Dec 17 13:47:14 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for Kringles References: Message-ID: <001201c840dd$7b04a070$042967d3@kp4> May want to try Racine Danish Kringles. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles A. Lincoln" To: "Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only" Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 11:33 AM Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for Kringles > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Years ago someone on the list recommended some homemade Kringles and I > cannot remember the company. They were delicious and I am looking for > a gift. > Thanks, > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > Charles Lincoln > ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY > 612 30th Avenue > Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 > (907) 451-1111 > fax (907) 451-4511 > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From stalprint at charter.net Mon Dec 17 13:55:12 2007 From: stalprint at charter.net (Mark Stallings) Date: Mon Dec 17 13:56:02 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for Kringles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4766C610.6030907@charter.net> http://www.ohdanishbakery.com/ I, and several on this list have used them. Charles A. Lincoln wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Years ago someone on the list recommended some homemade Kringles and > I cannot remember the company. They were delicious and I am looking > for a gift. > Thanks, > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > Charles Lincoln > ADVANCE PRINTING COMPANY > 612 30th Avenue > Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 > (907) 451-1111 > fax (907) 451-4511 > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > -- Mark Stallings Stallings Printing 1709 Walt Arney Road Lenoir, NC 28645 828-758-1126 stalprint@charter.net From ssheers at sheergraphics.com Mon Dec 17 14:35:14 2007 From: ssheers at sheergraphics.com (Simon Sheers) Date: Mon Dec 17 14:36:49 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] WARNING QuickBooks Auto-update Data Loss Problem Message-ID: This warning of Intuit's Quicken deleting desktop files is not applicable to us, however somebody might benefit. Books of account are kind of important! QuickBooks 2006 and 2007 for the Mac users began reporting on Sunday that the application displayed a dialog stating that a software update was available. When the update began to download, however, the user's Desktop directory and all of the files on their Desktop were deleted. *** Intuit's advice for users that did lose data because of the problem with the auto-update option is to leave their Mac alone while the company decides how to proceed. *** This link will describe the problem: Please reply to Simon Sheers at: Sheer Graphics Inc. 47 Chestnut Avenue, Westmont, IL 60559-1127 Tel: (630) 654-4422 Printing the message . . . and a whole lot more From sciesemier at pagepath.com Mon Dec 17 14:39:10 2007 From: sciesemier at pagepath.com (Steve Ciesemier) Date: Mon Dec 17 14:39:30 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Looking for Kringles In-Reply-To: <4766C610.6030907@charter.net> References: <4766C610.6030907@charter.net> Message-ID: > http://www.ohdanishbakery.com/ I second O&H Danish Bakery in Racine, Wi. Johnson Wax world HQ is in Racine and this is where they get their Kringle for visitors. It's a company tradition. -Steve *********************************************************** Steve Ciesemier PagePath Technologies, Inc. 13 East Main Street Plano, IL 60545-1521 Phone & Fax: 630-689-4112 mailto:SCiesemier@pagepath.com http://www.pagepath.com MyOrderDesk - named Product of the Year by PrintImage International & Best of Breed by Xerox *********************************************************** From signal.graphics at snet.net Mon Dec 17 15:45:15 2007 From: signal.graphics at snet.net (Philip Bombart) Date: Mon Dec 17 15:46:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Digital Printing In-Reply-To: References: <4766C610.6030907@charter.net> Message-ID: <000001c840ed$ba89f7d0$6a01a8c0@phil> Does anyone have source for Digital Color Printing onto Tee Shirts. Not screen printing. Thanks, Phil Philip Bombart Signal Graphics Printing 63 Hebron Avenue Glastonbury, CT 06033 860.633.3333 sg49@signalgraphics.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Ciesemier Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 2:39 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Looking for Kringles ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > http://www.ohdanishbakery.com/ I second O&H Danish Bakery in Racine, Wi. Johnson Wax world HQ is in Racine and this is where they get their Kringle for visitors. It's a company tradition. -Steve *********************************************************** Steve Ciesemier PagePath Technologies, Inc. 13 East Main Street Plano, IL 60545-1521 Phone & Fax: 630-689-4112 mailto:SCiesemier@pagepath.com http://www.pagepath.com MyOrderDesk - named Product of the Year by PrintImage International & Best of Breed by Xerox *********************************************************** _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From cpurvine1 at cox.net Mon Dec 17 16:12:32 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Mon Dec 17 16:12:44 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Digital Printing In-Reply-To: <000001c840ed$ba89f7d0$6a01a8c0@phil> References: <4766C610.6030907@charter.net> <000001c840ed$ba89f7d0$6a01a8c0@phil> Message-ID: <012201c840f1$89e03f50$6401a8c0@corapurvine> We buy the paper at Office Max, print the image in reverse with an inkjet and adhere it with our T-shirt press. We have had really good luck with these transfers. We bought some from Coastal and they didn't work at all. I charge $2.00 each and have them buy and wash their T-shirts before they bring them in. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Philip Bombart Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 2:45 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] Digital Printing ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Does anyone have source for Digital Color Printing onto Tee Shirts. Not screen printing. Thanks, Phil Philip Bombart Signal Graphics Printing 63 Hebron Avenue Glastonbury, CT 06033 860.633.3333 sg49@signalgraphics.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Ciesemier Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 2:39 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Looking for Kringles ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > http://www.ohdanishbakery.com/ I second O&H Danish Bakery in Racine, Wi. Johnson Wax world HQ is in Racine and this is where they get their Kringle for visitors. It's a company tradition. -Steve *********************************************************** Steve Ciesemier PagePath Technologies, Inc. 13 East Main Street Plano, IL 60545-1521 Phone & Fax: 630-689-4112 mailto:SCiesemier@pagepath.com http://www.pagepath.com MyOrderDesk - named Product of the Year by PrintImage International & Best of Breed by Xerox *********************************************************** _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2728 (20071217) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From tom at printfastusa.com Mon Dec 17 16:16:13 2007 From: tom at printfastusa.com (Tom Lafata) Date: Mon Dec 17 16:16:37 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Trade show booths In-Reply-To: <012201c840f1$89e03f50$6401a8c0@corapurvine> References: <4766C610.6030907@charter.net> <000001c840ed$ba89f7d0$6a01a8c0@phil> <012201c840f1$89e03f50$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <2BD9D93E-90E6-4B5F-B394-602C4090C79D@printfastusa.com> Anyone have a good wholesale place to buy trade show booths and signs? TIA Tom Lafata Printfast From cpurvine1 at cox.net Mon Dec 17 16:26:13 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Mon Dec 17 16:26:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Digital Printing In-Reply-To: <000001c840ed$ba89f7d0$6a01a8c0@phil> References: <4766C610.6030907@charter.net> <000001c840ed$ba89f7d0$6a01a8c0@phil> Message-ID: <012f01c840f3$734213c0$6401a8c0@corapurvine> There is also a company that sells a machine that can do this. I have seen them advertise on e-bay, but don't remember their name. Sorry. Seems like the machine was pretty pricy though. Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Philip Bombart Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 2:45 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: [PrintOwners] Digital Printing ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Does anyone have source for Digital Color Printing onto Tee Shirts. Not screen printing. Thanks, Phil Philip Bombart Signal Graphics Printing 63 Hebron Avenue Glastonbury, CT 06033 860.633.3333 sg49@signalgraphics.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Ciesemier Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 2:39 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Looking for Kringles ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > http://www.ohdanishbakery.com/ I second O&H Danish Bakery in Racine, Wi. Johnson Wax world HQ is in Racine and this is where they get their Kringle for visitors. It's a company tradition. -Steve *********************************************************** Steve Ciesemier PagePath Technologies, Inc. 13 East Main Street Plano, IL 60545-1521 Phone & Fax: 630-689-4112 mailto:SCiesemier@pagepath.com http://www.pagepath.com MyOrderDesk - named Product of the Year by PrintImage International & Best of Breed by Xerox *********************************************************** _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2728 (20071217) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From char at themasterspress.com Mon Dec 17 16:52:14 2007 From: char at themasterspress.com (Charlene Sims) Date: Mon Dec 17 16:52:41 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Trade show booths In-Reply-To: <2BD9D93E-90E6-4B5F-B394-602C4090C79D@printfastusa.com> References: <4766C610.6030907@charter.net><000001c840ed$ba89f7d0$6a01a8c0@phil><012201c840f1$89e03f50$6401a8c0@corapurvine> <2BD9D93E-90E6-4B5F-B394-602C4090C79D@printfastusa.com> Message-ID: <005f01c840f7$1e163210$0b01a8c0@CharXP> Tom I have not gotten signs from these people but have gotten Displays from them. You can get signs but could probably do that closer to you. The name of the company is Prezenta and they sell the ShowMax displays. Nice stuff. I signed up as a dealer at one of the trade shows a few years back. You can call Glen at 910-452-3210. Hope this helps. ch Charlene Sims The Master's Press, Inc 14550 Midway Road Dallas, Tx 75244 972/458.8758 * 972/387.0046 * fax 972/404.0317 char@themasterspress.com www.themasterspress.com -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tom Lafata Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 3:16 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Trade show booths ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Anyone have a good wholesale place to buy trade show booths and signs? TIA Tom Lafata Printfast _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From david.doost at gmail.com Mon Dec 17 17:01:03 2007 From: david.doost at gmail.com (David Doost) Date: Mon Dec 17 17:01:28 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Trade show booths In-Reply-To: <2BD9D93E-90E6-4B5F-B394-602C4090C79D@printfastusa.com> References: <4766C610.6030907@charter.net> <000001c840ed$ba89f7d0$6a01a8c0@phil> <012201c840f1$89e03f50$6401a8c0@corapurvine> <2BD9D93E-90E6-4B5F-B394-602C4090C79D@printfastusa.com> Message-ID: <4766f19d.2387460a.2d05.ffffd2cc@mx.google.com> Have had good service and price from these guys: http://www.discountdisplays.com/index.html David Doost Printing Impression 1200 Barrett Parkway Suite 4 Kennesaw, GA 30144 770-422-8766 www.printingimpression.net -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Tom Lafata Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 4:16 PM To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Trade show booths ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Anyone have a good wholesale place to buy trade show booths and signs? TIA Tom Lafata Printfast _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners From kellycrom at gmail.com Mon Dec 17 16:33:26 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Mon Dec 17 17:22:05 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Digital Printing In-Reply-To: <012201c840f1$89e03f50$6401a8c0@corapurvine> References: <4766C610.6030907@charter.net><000001c840ed$ba89f7d0$6a01a8c0@phil> <012201c840f1$89e03f50$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <02ad01c840f4$7f29c1a0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Cora, We do the same as you(except we stock our own shirts, and sell the whole thing for about $14 each), but I have found that the Office Depot brand transfers work just as well, if not better than the OfficeMax brand(and Avery) and are even cheaper too. They sell them in a box of 50 for about $46.00 here. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cora Purvine > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 3:13 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Digital Printing > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We buy the paper at Office Max, print the image in reverse > with an inkjet > and adhere it with our T-shirt press. We have had really good > luck with > these transfers. We bought some from Coastal and they didn't > work at all. I > charge $2.00 each and have them buy and wash their T-shirts > before they > bring them in. > > > Class Act Printing and Foil > Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners > 5801 W. Juno Ave. > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 > cpurvine1@cox.net > www.ClassActPrinting.biz > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Philip Bombart > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 2:45 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: [PrintOwners] Digital Printing > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does anyone have source for Digital Color Printing onto Tee > Shirts. Not > screen printing. > > Thanks, > > Phil > > Philip Bombart > Signal Graphics Printing > 63 Hebron Avenue > Glastonbury, CT 06033 > 860.633.3333 > sg49@signalgraphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Ciesemier > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 2:39 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Looking for Kringles > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > http://www.ohdanishbakery.com/ > > I second O&H Danish Bakery in Racine, Wi. > > Johnson Wax world HQ is in Racine and this is where they get > their Kringle > for visitors. It's a company tradition. > > -Steve > > *********************************************************** > Steve Ciesemier > PagePath Technologies, Inc. > 13 East Main Street > Plano, IL 60545-1521 > > Phone & Fax: 630-689-4112 > mailto:SCiesemier@pagepath.com > http://www.pagepath.com > > MyOrderDesk - named Product of the Year by PrintImage > International & Best > of Breed by Xerox > *********************************************************** > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2728 (20071217) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From borzou at falconprintandcopy.com Mon Dec 17 17:23:46 2007 From: borzou at falconprintandcopy.com (Borzou Azabdaftari) Date: Mon Dec 17 17:23:59 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Digital Printing In-Reply-To: <012201c840f1$89e03f50$6401a8c0@corapurvine> References: <4766C610.6030907@charter.net> <000001c840ed$ba89f7d0$6a01a8c0@phil> <012201c840f1$89e03f50$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <9D8F21EA-3AF5-4694-A0C4-A859FBAC9767@falconprintandcopy.com> This sounds very intriguing to me. Can you tell me more about it? What kind of printer are you using, what kind of paper, what kind of t- shirt press? Thanks. Borzou Azabdaftari Falcon Print and Copy 1921 Gallows Road Suite 150 Vienna, VA 22182 t.703.442.0124 f.703.442.0134 borzou@falconprintandcopy.com On Dec 17, 2007, at 4:12 PM, Cora Purvine wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We buy the paper at Office Max, print the image in reverse with an > inkjet > and adhere it with our T-shirt press. We have had really good luck > with > these transfers. We bought some from Coastal and they didn't work at > all. I > charge $2.00 each and have them buy and wash their T-shirts before > they > bring them in. > > > Class Act Printing and Foil > Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners > 5801 W. Juno Ave. > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 > cpurvine1@cox.net > www.ClassActPrinting.biz > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Philip Bombart > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 2:45 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: [PrintOwners] Digital Printing > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does anyone have source for Digital Color Printing onto Tee Shirts. > Not > screen printing. > > Thanks, > > Phil > > Philip Bombart > Signal Graphics Printing > 63 Hebron Avenue > Glastonbury, CT 06033 > 860.633.3333 > sg49@signalgraphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Ciesemier > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 2:39 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Looking for Kringles > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> http://www.ohdanishbakery.com/ > > I second O&H Danish Bakery in Racine, Wi. > > Johnson Wax world HQ is in Racine and this is where they get their > Kringle > for visitors. It's a company tradition. > > -Steve > > *********************************************************** > Steve Ciesemier > PagePath Technologies, Inc. > 13 East Main Street > Plano, IL 60545-1521 > > Phone & Fax: 630-689-4112 > mailto:SCiesemier@pagepath.com > http://www.pagepath.com > > MyOrderDesk - named Product of the Year by PrintImage International > & Best > of Breed by Xerox > *********************************************************** > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2728 (20071217) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > From brianoday at eprint.us Mon Dec 17 17:27:16 2007 From: brianoday at eprint.us (Brian O'Day) Date: Mon Dec 17 17:28:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] need feedback on a seal 410 laminator In-Reply-To: <4766f19d.2387460a.2d05.ffffd2cc@mx.google.com> References: <4766C610.6030907@charter.net> <000001c840ed$ba89f7d0$6a01a8c0@phil> <012201c840f1$89e03f50$6401a8c0@corapurvine><2BD9D93E-90E6-4B5F-B394-602C4090C79D@printfastusa.com> <4766f19d.2387460a.2d05.ffffd2cc@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <004501c840fb$fdf37920$800101df@eprint.local> I am looking at an almost new seal 410 laminator. This one is slightly used and the seller is looking to get $5200 does anyone have any feedback on this equipment . It looks great the rollers are in great shape looks like it wasn't used much. Brian O'Day ePrint 9970 SW Greenburg Rd Portland, Oregon brianoday@eprint.us 503-684-2679 From terry at qqprint.clearwire.net Mon Dec 17 17:31:08 2007 From: terry at qqprint.clearwire.net (Terry) Date: Mon Dec 17 17:31:40 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Digital Printing In-Reply-To: <000001c840ed$ba89f7d0$6a01a8c0@phil> References: <4766C610.6030907@charter.net> <000001c840ed$ba89f7d0$6a01a8c0@phil> Message-ID: <4766F8AC.8050203@qqprint.clearwire.net> http://www.dtgamerica.com/east/east.shtml Try this web site. Philip Bombart wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does anyone have source for Digital Color Printing onto Tee Shirts. Not > screen printing. > > Thanks, > > Phil > > Philip Bombart > Signal Graphics Printing > 63 Hebron Avenue > Glastonbury, CT 06033 > 860.633.3333 > sg49@signalgraphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Ciesemier > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 2:39 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Looking for Kringles > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > >> http://www.ohdanishbakery.com/ >> > > I second O&H Danish Bakery in Racine, Wi. > > Johnson Wax world HQ is in Racine and this is where they get their > Kringle for visitors. It's a company tradition. > > -Steve > > *********************************************************** > Steve Ciesemier > PagePath Technologies, Inc. > 13 East Main Street > Plano, IL 60545-1521 > > Phone & Fax: 630-689-4112 > mailto:SCiesemier@pagepath.com > http://www.pagepath.com > > MyOrderDesk - named Product of the Year by PrintImage International & > Best of Breed by Xerox > *********************************************************** > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > From cpurvine1 at cox.net Mon Dec 17 17:32:53 2007 From: cpurvine1 at cox.net (Cora Purvine) Date: Mon Dec 17 17:32:57 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Digital Printing In-Reply-To: <02ad01c840f4$7f29c1a0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> References: <4766C610.6030907@charter.net><000001c840ed$ba89f7d0$6a01a8c0@phil><012201c840f1$89e03f50$6401a8c0@corapurvine> <02ad01c840f4$7f29c1a0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Message-ID: <014d01c840fc$c3a5fa30$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Maybe it was Office Depot. I know one of them is a whole bunch cheaper than the other one. I only have a 35x30 shop so am limited on space. Where do you get your T-shirts? I looked at a wholesale place online and thought they were pretty reasonable, but haven't actually purchased any from them yet. www.shirtspace.com Class Act Printing and Foil Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners 5801 W. Juno Ave. Wichita, KS 67215-1742 Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 cpurvine1@cox.net www.ClassActPrinting.biz -----Original Message----- From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 3:33 PM To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Digital Printing ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** Cora, We do the same as you(except we stock our own shirts, and sell the whole thing for about $14 each), but I have found that the Office Depot brand transfers work just as well, if not better than the OfficeMax brand(and Avery) and are even cheaper too. They sell them in a box of 50 for about $46.00 here. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cora Purvine > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 3:13 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Digital Printing > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > We buy the paper at Office Max, print the image in reverse with an > inkjet and adhere it with our T-shirt press. We have had really good > luck with these transfers. We bought some from Coastal and they didn't > work at all. I charge $2.00 each and have them buy and wash their > T-shirts before they bring them in. > > > Class Act Printing and Foil > Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners > 5801 W. Juno Ave. > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 > cpurvine1@cox.net > www.ClassActPrinting.biz > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Philip Bombart > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 2:45 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: [PrintOwners] Digital Printing > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does anyone have source for Digital Color Printing onto Tee Shirts. > Not screen printing. > > Thanks, > > Phil > > Philip Bombart > Signal Graphics Printing > 63 Hebron Avenue > Glastonbury, CT 06033 > 860.633.3333 > sg49@signalgraphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Ciesemier > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 2:39 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Looking for Kringles > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > http://www.ohdanishbakery.com/ > > I second O&H Danish Bakery in Racine, Wi. > > Johnson Wax world HQ is in Racine and this is where they get their > Kringle for visitors. It's a company tradition. > > -Steve > > *********************************************************** > Steve Ciesemier > PagePath Technologies, Inc. > 13 East Main Street > Plano, IL 60545-1521 > > Phone & Fax: 630-689-4112 > mailto:SCiesemier@pagepath.com > http://www.pagepath.com > > MyOrderDesk - named Product of the Year by PrintImage International & > Best of Breed by Xerox > *********************************************************** > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2728 (20071217) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > _______________________________________________ PrintOwners Discussion List Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners __________ NOD32 2728 (20071217) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com Mon Dec 17 17:39:57 2007 From: mv.sirspeedy at gmail.com (Michael Vogel) Date: Mon Dec 17 17:40:27 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] need feedback on a seal 410 laminator In-Reply-To: <004501c840fb$fdf37920$800101df@eprint.local> References: <4766C610.6030907@charter.net> <000001c840ed$ba89f7d0$6a01a8c0@phil> <012201c840f1$89e03f50$6401a8c0@corapurvine> <2BD9D93E-90E6-4B5F-B394-602C4090C79D@printfastusa.com> <4766f19d.2387460a.2d05.ffffd2cc@mx.google.com> <004501c840fb$fdf37920$800101df@eprint.local> Message-ID: <98f5b19a0712171439m464356d6od885a6cffd9f5bef@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 17, 2007 5:27 PM, Brian O'Day wrote: > > I am looking at an almost new seal 410 laminator. This one is slightly used > and the seller is looking to get $5200 does anyone have any feedback on this > equipment . It looks great the rollers are in great shape looks like it > wasn't used much. This is the first time in the 8 or 9 years we've owned it that I've had to give it any thought. It has been totally reliable, never having required a single service call; and although we've never given it heavy use, it has always seen regular use for mounting and laminating. Excellent piece of equiment. We paid about $10k for it those many years ago. -- Michael Vogel Sir Speedy Printing 9 Research Drive Milford, CT 06460 tel 203-877-1231 fax 203-878-2679 mv.sirspeedy@gmail.com www.eSirSpeedy.com ==================================== Read not to accept nor to deny nor to agree nor to criticize or condemn but to weigh and consider. ~Lord Bacon From doug at p-print.com Mon Dec 17 17:03:36 2007 From: doug at p-print.com (Doug) Date: Mon Dec 17 18:04:43 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Digital Printing In-Reply-To: <000001c840ed$ba89f7d0$6a01a8c0@phil> References: <4766C610.6030907@charter.net> <000001c840ed$ba89f7d0$6a01a8c0@phil> Message-ID: If your looking for the machine they are called T-jets. Sorry I don't have a source for someone who has one. Doug Stensberg Performance Printing 2500 East Fifth Street Marshfield, WI 54449 715-384-4364 On Dec 17, 2007, at 2:45 PM, Philip Bombart wrote: > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Does anyone have source for Digital Color Printing onto Tee Shirts. > Not > screen printing. > > Thanks, > > Phil > > Philip Bombart > Signal Graphics Printing > 63 Hebron Avenue > Glastonbury, CT 06033 > 860.633.3333 > sg49@signalgraphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Steve Ciesemier > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 2:39 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Looking for Kringles > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > >> http://www.ohdanishbakery.com/ > > I second O&H Danish Bakery in Racine, Wi. > > Johnson Wax world HQ is in Racine and this is where they get their > Kringle for visitors. It's a company tradition. > > -Steve > > *********************************************************** > Steve Ciesemier > PagePath Technologies, Inc. > 13 East Main Street > Plano, IL 60545-1521 > > Phone & Fax: 630-689-4112 > mailto:SCiesemier@pagepath.com > http://www.pagepath.com > > MyOrderDesk - named Product of the Year by PrintImage International & > Best of Breed by Xerox > *********************************************************** > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From kellycrom at gmail.com Mon Dec 17 18:09:18 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Mon Dec 17 18:09:06 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Digital Printing In-Reply-To: <014d01c840fc$c3a5fa30$6401a8c0@corapurvine> References: <4766C610.6030907@charter.net><000001c840ed$ba89f7d0$6a01a8c0@phil><012201c840f1$89e03f50$6401a8c0@corapurvine><02ad01c840f4$7f29c1a0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> <014d01c840fc$c3a5fa30$6401a8c0@corapurvine> Message-ID: <02d601c84101$e61074b0$6d01a8c0@KELLY> I just started buying our shirts from www.shirtsupplier.com. They are about half what I was paying to a local supplier. We have used the Gildan 6.1oz heavyweight for some time, and they work very well. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cora Purvine > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 4:33 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Digital Printing > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Maybe it was Office Depot. I know one of them is a whole > bunch cheaper than > the other one. I only have a 35x30 shop so am limited > on space. Where do you get your T-shirts? I looked at a > wholesale place > online and thought they were pretty reasonable, but haven't actually > purchased any from them yet. www.shirtspace.com > > > Class Act Printing and Foil > Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners > 5801 W. Juno Ave. > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 > cpurvine1@cox.net > www.ClassActPrinting.biz > > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Kelly > Crom at Applied > Graphics > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 3:33 PM > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Digital Printing > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > Cora, > > We do the same as you(except we stock our own shirts, and > sell the whole > thing for about $14 each), but I have found that the Office > Depot brand > transfers work just as well, if not better than the OfficeMax > brand(and > Avery) and are even cheaper too. They sell them in a box of > 50 for about > $46.00 here. > > Kelly Crom > Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. > > We've Moved!!! > 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 > Plymouth, MN 55441 > New Phone: (763)231-6970 > kellycrom@gmail.com > www.applied-graphics.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Cora Purvine > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 3:13 PM > > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Digital Printing > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > We buy the paper at Office Max, print the image in reverse with an > > inkjet and adhere it with our T-shirt press. We have had > really good > > luck with these transfers. We bought some from Coastal and > they didn't > > work at all. I charge $2.00 each and have them buy and wash their > > T-shirts before they bring them in. > > > > > > Class Act Printing and Foil > > Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners > > 5801 W. Juno Ave. > > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > > Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 > > cpurvine1@cox.net > > www.ClassActPrinting.biz > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of > Philip Bombart > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 2:45 PM > > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Subject: [PrintOwners] Digital Printing > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Does anyone have source for Digital Color Printing onto Tee Shirts. > > Not screen printing. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Phil > > > > Philip Bombart > > Signal Graphics Printing > > 63 Hebron Avenue > > Glastonbury, CT 06033 > > 860.633.3333 > > sg49@signalgraphics.com > > -----Original Message----- > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of > Steve Ciesemier > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 2:39 PM > > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Looking for Kringles > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > > http://www.ohdanishbakery.com/ > > > > I second O&H Danish Bakery in Racine, Wi. > > > > Johnson Wax world HQ is in Racine and this is where they get their > > Kringle for visitors. It's a company tradition. > > > > -Steve > > > > *********************************************************** > > Steve Ciesemier > > PagePath Technologies, Inc. > > 13 East Main Street > > Plano, IL 60545-1521 > > > > Phone & Fax: 630-689-4112 > > mailto:SCiesemier@pagepath.com > > http://www.pagepath.com > > > > MyOrderDesk - named Product of the Year by PrintImage > International & > > Best of Breed by Xerox > > *********************************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > __________ NOD32 2728 (20071217) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > __________ NOD32 2728 (20071217) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From kellycrom at gmail.com Mon Dec 17 18:12:49 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Mon Dec 17 18:13:54 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Digital Printing In-Reply-To: <9D8F21EA-3AF5-4694-A0C4-A859FBAC9767@falconprintandcopy.com> References: <4766C610.6030907@charter.net><000001c840ed$ba89f7d0$6a01a8c0@phil><012201c840f1$89e03f50$6401a8c0@corapurvine> <9D8F21EA-3AF5-4694-A0C4-A859FBAC9767@falconprintandcopy.com> Message-ID: <02d701c84102$60641190$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Pretty much any desktop inkjet printer will do(you can also get transfer material for most color copiers). Our Xerox 6060 doesn't like transfers much, so we just started printing them on either our Epson R260 or our Canon Pixma 4200, they both do very well. We use Office Depot brand inkjet t-shirt transfer material. And we use an 18" clamp-style shirt/heat press. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Borzou > Azabdaftari > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 4:24 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Digital Printing > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > This sounds very intriguing to me. Can you tell me more about it? > What kind of printer are you using, what kind of paper, what > kind of t- > shirt press? Thanks. > > Borzou Azabdaftari > Falcon Print and Copy > 1921 Gallows Road > Suite 150 > Vienna, VA 22182 > t.703.442.0124 > f.703.442.0134 > borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > > On Dec 17, 2007, at 4:12 PM, Cora Purvine wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > We buy the paper at Office Max, print the image in reverse with an > > inkjet > > and adhere it with our T-shirt press. We have had really good luck > > with > > these transfers. We bought some from Coastal and they > didn't work at > > all. I > > charge $2.00 each and have them buy and wash their T-shirts before > > they > > bring them in. > > > > > > Class Act Printing and Foil > > Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners > > 5801 W. Juno Ave. > > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > > Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 > > cpurvine1@cox.net > > www.ClassActPrinting.biz > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of > Philip Bombart > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 2:45 PM > > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Subject: [PrintOwners] Digital Printing > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Does anyone have source for Digital Color Printing onto Tee > Shirts. > > Not > > screen printing. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Phil > > > > Philip Bombart > > Signal Graphics Printing > > 63 Hebron Avenue > > Glastonbury, CT 06033 > > 860.633.3333 > > sg49@signalgraphics.com > > -----Original Message----- > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of > Steve Ciesemier > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 2:39 PM > > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Looking for Kringles > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >> http://www.ohdanishbakery.com/ > > > > I second O&H Danish Bakery in Racine, Wi. > > > > Johnson Wax world HQ is in Racine and this is where they get their > > Kringle > > for visitors. It's a company tradition. > > > > -Steve > > > > *********************************************************** > > Steve Ciesemier > > PagePath Technologies, Inc. > > 13 East Main Street > > Plano, IL 60545-1521 > > > > Phone & Fax: 630-689-4112 > > mailto:SCiesemier@pagepath.com > > http://www.pagepath.com > > > > MyOrderDesk - named Product of the Year by PrintImage > International > > & Best > > of Breed by Xerox > > *********************************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > __________ NOD32 2728 (20071217) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From kellycrom at gmail.com Mon Dec 17 18:12:49 2007 From: kellycrom at gmail.com (Kelly Crom at Applied Graphics) Date: Mon Dec 17 18:23:00 2007 Subject: [PrintOwners] Digital Printing In-Reply-To: <9D8F21EA-3AF5-4694-A0C4-A859FBAC9767@falconprintandcopy.com> References: <4766C610.6030907@charter.net><000001c840ed$ba89f7d0$6a01a8c0@phil><012201c840f1$89e03f50$6401a8c0@corapurvine> <9D8F21EA-3AF5-4694-A0C4-A859FBAC9767@falconprintandcopy.com> Message-ID: <02d701c84102$60641190$6d01a8c0@KELLY> Pretty much any desktop inkjet printer will do(you can also get transfer material for most color copiers). Our Xerox 6060 doesn't like transfers much, so we just started printing them on either our Epson R260 or our Canon Pixma 4200, they both do very well. We use Office Depot brand inkjet t-shirt transfer material. And we use an 18" clamp-style shirt/heat press. Kelly Crom Applied Graphics Associates, Inc. We've Moved!!! 2405 Annapolis Lane N, #250 Plymouth, MN 55441 New Phone: (763)231-6970 kellycrom@gmail.com www.applied-graphics.com > -----Original Message----- > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of Borzou > Azabdaftari > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 4:24 PM > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > Subject: Re: [PrintOwners] Digital Printing > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > This sounds very intriguing to me. Can you tell me more about it? > What kind of printer are you using, what kind of paper, what > kind of t- > shirt press? Thanks. > > Borzou Azabdaftari > Falcon Print and Copy > 1921 Gallows Road > Suite 150 > Vienna, VA 22182 > t.703.442.0124 > f.703.442.0134 > borzou@falconprintandcopy.com > > > > On Dec 17, 2007, at 4:12 PM, Cora Purvine wrote: > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > We buy the paper at Office Max, print the image in reverse with an > > inkjet > > and adhere it with our T-shirt press. We have had really good luck > > with > > these transfers. We bought some from Coastal and they > didn't work at > > all. I > > charge $2.00 each and have them buy and wash their T-shirts before > > they > > bring them in. > > > > > > Class Act Printing and Foil > > Cora & Bernie Purvine, Owners > > 5801 W. Juno Ave. > > Wichita, KS 67215-1742 > > Ph/Fax: 316-522-0733 > > cpurvine1@cox.net > > www.ClassActPrinting.biz > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of > Philip Bombart > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 2:45 PM > > To: 'Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only' > > Subject: [PrintOwners] Digital Printing > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > > Does anyone have source for Digital Color Printing onto Tee > Shirts. > > Not > > screen printing. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Phil > > > > Philip Bombart > > Signal Graphics Printing > > 63 Hebron Avenue > > Glastonbury, CT 06033 > > 860.633.3333 > > sg49@signalgraphics.com > > -----Original Message----- > > From: printowners-bounces@printweb.org > > [mailto:printowners-bounces@printweb.org] On Behalf Of > Steve Ciesemier > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 2:39 PM > > To: Discussion List for Printing Business Owners Only > > Subject: RE: [PrintOwners] Looking for Kringles > > > > ***** This is a PrintOwners List Message ***** > > > >> http://www.ohdanishbakery.com/ > > > > I second O&H Danish Bakery in Racine, Wi. > > > > Johnson Wax world HQ is in Racine and this is where they get their > > Kringle > > for visitors. It's a company tradition. > > > > -Steve > > > > *********************************************************** > > Steve Ciesemier > > PagePath Technologies, Inc. > > 13 East Main Street > > Plano, IL 60545-1521 > > > > Phone & Fax: 630-689-4112 > > mailto:SCiesemier@pagepath.com > > http://www.pagepath.com > > > > MyOrderDesk - named Product of the Year by PrintImage > International > > & Best > > of Breed by Xerox > > *********************************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > __________ NOD32 2728 (20071217) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PrintOwners Discussion List > > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PrintOwners Discussion List > Post: PrintOwners@printweb.org > Info: http://rb.enter.net/mailman/listinfo/printowners > From terry at qqprint